WHY we started this podcast

After over 200 episodes and almost 4 years of the High Performance Podcast, Jake and Damian take a moment to rewind through the episodes. For any brand new listeners, this is your ultimate guide to the key High Performance moments.

Jake and Damian reflect on their favourite guests, biggest lessons and most memorable moments from the very start of the High Performance journey to the most recent episode. To begin, Jake and Damian explore the why behind the podcast. They delve into how their understanding of high performance has evolved over the years, from deep and honest conversations with the world's highest achievers.

Listen to the full episodes from the guests mentioned in this episode:

Tyson Fury: https://pod.fo/e/14ef0f

Steven Hendry: https://pod.fo/e/c12f9

Jonny Wilkinson 2020: https://pod.fo/e/9cca4

Jonny Wilkinson 2022: https://pod.fo/e/12f77d

Dame Stephanie Shirley: https://pod.fo/e/16a443

Eddie Howe: https://pod.fo/e/14d4d9

Christian Horner - https://pod.fo/e/cda02

Fernando Alonso: https://pod.fo/e/1e5849

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# High Performance Podcast Summary

**Introduction**

* Jake Humphreys and Professor Damian Hughes reflect on over 200 episodes and almost four years of the High Performance Podcast.
* They discuss the podcast's evolution, from exploring high performance in sports to delving into the struggles, doubts, fears, and challenges faced by high achievers.
* The podcast aims to remove opinions and foster empathy, helping listeners understand and connect with individuals better.

**Tyson Fury**

* Tyson Fury's story highlights the importance of reframing thinking around happiness and avoiding the pursuit of momentary highs.
* Despite achieving his lifetime ambition of becoming the world heavyweight champion, Fury experienced despair and suicidal thoughts.
* The conversation emphasizes the need to find happiness and fulfillment along the journey, rather than solely focusing on achieving goals.

**Stephen Hendry and Jonny Wilkinson**

* Stephen Hendry's non-negotiable of selfishness and his willingness to prioritize winning over personal relationships spark discussions about societal influences on behavior.
* Jonny Wilkinson's journey from embracing the path of struggle to exploring curiosity and embracing new ideas demonstrates the importance of continuous learning and growth.

**Dame Stephanie Shirley**

* Dame Stephanie Shirley's remarkable life story and her focus on non-material things like friendship, music, and literature inspire listeners.
* Her approach to risk and her belief that risk is not as risky as it seems resonate with the audience.

**Eddie Howe**

* Eddie Howe's decision to share the lessons he learned from the High Performance Podcast with his players highlights the impact of the podcast on listeners.
* His non-negotiable behaviors of always giving one's best, being willing to learn and improve, and putting the team's interests before personal interests resonate with listeners.
* Howe's emphasis on lifelong learning and his willingness to invest in his own development serve as an example for others.

**Christian Horner**

* Christian Horner's openness in sharing his struggles and successes provides a well-rounded view of a public figure often subjected to opinions.
* His wife Geri Halliwell's advice to him, "a pat on the back is only a few inches higher than a kick up the arse," emphasizes the importance of staying grounded and not getting carried away by success.
* Horner's message to chase dreams, shoot for the stars, and enjoy what one does resonates with listeners.

**Fernando Alonso**

* Fernando Alonso's discussion on preparation highlights the importance of meticulous planning and preparation for high performance.
* His focus on understanding the car, the track, and the competition, as well as his attention to detail, provides valuable insights for listeners.

**Conclusion**

* The High Performance Podcast aims to provide takeaways for listeners, regardless of the guest's background or achievements.
* The podcast emphasizes the importance of empathy, understanding, and connection in appreciating high performers.
* The hosts encourage listeners to find their own version of high performance and pursue it with passion and fulfillment.

# High Performance Podcast: Retrospective and Key Moments

The High Performance Podcast, hosted by Jake Humphrey and Damian Hughes, has reached over 200 episodes and almost four years of insightful conversations with high achievers. This special episode serves as a retrospective, revisiting some of the most memorable moments and key lessons from the podcast's journey.

## The Evolution of High Performance Understanding

Jake and Damian reflect on how their understanding of high performance has evolved over the years. Initially, they approached the topic with a challenging mindset, seeking to uncover the driving forces behind exceptional performance. However, as they delved deeper into conversations with world-class achievers, they realized the importance of stepping into their world and viewing it from their perspective. This shift has led to richer and more insightful discussions.

## Memorable Guests and Episodes

The podcast has featured a diverse range of guests, including sports legends like Tyson Fury, Steven Hendry, Jonny Wilkinson, and Eddie Howe, as well as business leaders like Christian Horner and Dame Stephanie Shirley. Each episode offers unique insights into the mindset, strategies, and habits that contribute to high performance in various fields.

## Key Lessons and Insights

Throughout the podcast's journey, Jake and Damian have identified several recurring themes and lessons. These include the importance of:

- **Embracing Failure:** High performers view failure as an opportunity for learning and growth rather than a setback.
- **Setting Clear Goals:** Defining specific, measurable, achievable, relevant, and time-bound goals is crucial for success.
- **Developing a Growth Mindset:** Adopting a growth mindset allows individuals to embrace challenges, learn from mistakes, and continually improve.
- **Building a Strong Support System:** Surrounding oneself with supportive individuals who challenge and encourage growth is essential for achieving high performance.
- **Taking Care of Mental and Physical Health:** Prioritizing mental and physical well-being enables individuals to perform at their best.

## The High Performance App

Jake and Damian also mention the High Performance App, which provides access to exclusive content, including extended interviews, behind-the-scenes footage, and additional insights from the podcast's guests. Listeners can download the app and use the code "HPAPP" to access this exclusive content.

## Conclusion

The High Performance Podcast has established itself as a valuable resource for anyone seeking to understand and achieve high performance in their chosen field. With over 200 episodes featuring inspiring guests and insightful discussions, the podcast offers a wealth of knowledge and practical advice for listeners. Jake and Damian's commitment to delivering thought-provoking and engaging content has made the High Performance Podcast a must-listen for anyone interested in personal and professional development.

[00:00.000 -> 00:04.320] Hey, it's Jake here. Just a quick one before we get going with today's episode. On Monday,
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[03:00.000 -> 03:08.000] Hey everyone, welcome along to the High Performance Podcast. I'm here with Professor Damien Hughes.
[03:08.000 -> 03:09.000] Hi everyone.
[03:09.000 -> 03:14.520] And what we thought we would do, because we've been going for how long? Three and a half
[03:14.520 -> 03:15.520] years?
[03:15.520 -> 03:16.520] Nearly four years now.
[03:16.520 -> 03:22.240] Oh my goodness. So we've done over 200 episodes, as Damien says, four years of this podcast.
[03:22.240 -> 03:26.400] So we thought we would just rewind really and
[03:24.440 -> 03:27.480] go through a few of the biggest moments,
[03:26.400 -> 03:29.440] the biggest names, the biggest lessons
[03:27.480 -> 03:31.120] from the very start of the High
[03:29.440 -> 03:32.400] Performance journey. Now if you've been
[03:31.120 -> 03:33.760] listening since the very start and with
[03:32.400 -> 03:35.120] us for the whole journey, I think you're
[03:33.760 -> 03:37.600] really going to enjoy being reminded of
[03:35.120 -> 03:39.000] some of those key moments. But equally,
[03:37.600 -> 03:40.200] if you're totally new to High
[03:39.000 -> 03:42.920] Performance and you think, what's that
[03:40.200 -> 03:45.520] about? Well, let us explain. Like, should we
[03:42.920 -> 03:45.040] start with our why? Like, let us explain. Like,
[03:42.320 -> 03:46.960] should we start with our why? Like, why we
[03:45.040 -> 03:49.240] started this podcast? Yeah, I think it's
[03:46.960 -> 03:51.000] a really important one. So, the
[03:49.240 -> 03:53.200] origins, I think, for people to
[03:51.000 -> 03:56.040] understand is when we first met down at
[03:53.200 -> 03:58.400] Norwich City and we both saw high
[03:56.040 -> 04:00.520] performance in the same place, but from
[03:58.400 -> 04:02.280] two very different angles. So, your
[04:00.520 -> 04:04.400] perspective came from the pit lane and
[04:02.280 -> 04:07.160] the studio of Premier League football
[04:04.400 -> 04:07.200] clubs, didn't it? It did. It came from the pit lane and the studio of Premier League football
[04:04.440 -> 04:09.360] clubs, didn't it? It did, it came from
[04:07.200 -> 04:10.800] spending time with really incredible
[04:09.360 -> 04:13.720] elite individuals and I used to get
[04:10.800 -> 04:15.720] frustrated with seeing close up the
[04:13.720 -> 04:18.240] hard work and the talent and the effort
[04:15.720 -> 04:20.280] and the desire and the sacrifice and then
[04:18.240 -> 04:23.440] at the same time seeing people in the
[04:20.280 -> 04:25.160] media or fans on Twitter just caning and
[04:23.440 -> 04:26.000] slating and criticizing these people that are just
[04:26.000 -> 04:29.760] literally trying their very best and I thought there's a real disconnect here. We need to try
[04:29.760 -> 04:34.880] and understand high performers better. Why are we treating them in this way? Because I don't think
[04:34.880 -> 04:38.880] it's healthy for us, I don't think it's healthy for them and something needs to change. So this
[04:38.880 -> 04:44.160] podcast was about removing that opinion and trying to put empathy at the forefront. I mean it has,
[04:44.160 -> 04:45.300] by the way,
[04:45.300 -> 04:48.600] in my mind, changed quite a lot from just talking about the hard work and the effort
[04:48.600 -> 04:53.180] and the talent and the sacrifice to actually talking about the struggle and the doubt and
[04:53.180 -> 04:58.740] the fears and the challenges. But it's still the same thing. I want people to understand
[04:58.740 -> 05:03.440] individuals better than ever before, to find their own version of high performance, because
[05:03.440 -> 05:09.840] high performance isn't great achievement. high performance is probably great satisfaction. Yeah definitely, well my
[05:09.840 -> 05:15.920] perspective of it came from being around the dressing rooms and the gyms of high performers,
[05:15.920 -> 05:21.440] whether that's in boxing or rugby league or rugby union or even premier league football where I've
[05:21.440 -> 05:28.000] worked and what I wanted people to understand is exactly that point that you know we're not talking nid ydym yn siarad â chwaraewyr chwarae, ond ydym yn siarad â phobl sy'n chwarae chwarae. Nid ydym yn siarad â chweithwyr busnes, ond ydym yn siarad â phobl sy'n chwarae busnesau.
[05:28.000 -> 05:32.000] Ac rwy'n credu y byddai'n rhaid i mi ddewis y llwybr honno
[05:32.000 -> 05:36.000] o ran yr element dynol o hynny, ac wrth ddeall unigol,
[05:36.000 -> 05:40.000] fel y dweudwch, dyna lle mae cysylltiad yn digwydd, a gall ymdrechion
[05:40.000 -> 05:44.000] ddod o, a deall y gwaith.
[05:44.000 -> 05:46.780] Ac rwy'n credu, wrth ddewis y gwaith, that light on was the human element of it and when we understand a human being,
[05:44.020 -> 05:48.940] as you say, that's where connection
[05:46.780 -> 05:52.740] happens and empathy can spring from and
[05:48.940 -> 05:54.980] understanding and appreciation and that's
[05:52.740 -> 05:57.940] what I consider to be the privilege of
[05:54.980 -> 06:00.220] our position of doing this Jake, but also
[05:57.940 -> 06:02.260] for listeners to be able to get a bit
[06:00.220 -> 06:04.700] closer to the people that they might see
[06:02.260 -> 06:06.100] at the top of the podium and actually
[06:04.700 -> 06:06.120] understand the journey it's taken to get bit closer to the people that they might see at the top of the podium and actually
[06:04.640 -> 06:07.800] understand the journey it's taken to get
[06:06.120 -> 06:10.200] there. And I think that's the key thing
[06:07.800 -> 06:12.320] for you at home. Like we're not having
[06:10.200 -> 06:13.520] conversations with high achievers so
[06:12.320 -> 06:14.760] they can feel good about themselves and
[06:13.520 -> 06:17.440] we can all pat each other on the back and
[06:14.760 -> 06:20.080] say wonderful, well done. The why for this
[06:17.440 -> 06:22.080] podcast has become what can it do for
[06:20.080 -> 06:23.880] you listening to this at home. So it
[06:22.080 -> 06:26.680] doesn't matter who is joining us on the
[06:23.880 -> 06:25.100] podcast, what matters joining us on the podcast.
[06:25.100 -> 06:27.560] What matters to us is the takeaways
[06:27.560 -> 06:28.560] that you can get from it.
[06:28.560 -> 06:32.040] So let's start by talking about Tyson Fury, for example.
[06:32.040 -> 06:33.480] I think the reason why this is really valuable
[06:33.480 -> 06:35.040] for people listening is that you assume
[06:35.040 -> 06:36.680] once you've won multiple world titles,
[06:36.680 -> 06:38.000] once you're a multimillionaire,
[06:38.000 -> 06:40.080] once you're globally famous,
[06:40.080 -> 06:41.920] all the crap stuff melts away
[06:41.920 -> 06:43.840] and all that remains is happiness.
[06:43.840 -> 06:46.400] The really strong message that came through in this conversation and actually
[06:46.400 -> 06:48.960] repeats itself in many of our conversations is
[06:48.960 -> 06:53.200] that moment never arrives so we all need to reframe
[06:53.200 -> 06:56.080] our thinking around happiness and stop delaying it.
[06:56.080 -> 06:59.200] Yeah so Tyson was a great example of it that he described to us really
[06:59.200 -> 07:02.240] powerfully how the night he beat Vladimir Klitschko in
[07:02.240 -> 07:05.240] 2015 to achieve his lifetime ambition of
[07:05.240 -> 07:08.780] becoming the world heavyweight champion. He lay in bed that night and he said
[07:08.780 -> 07:11.760] there's nowhere left to go I've conquered everything I ever wanted to
[07:11.760 -> 07:16.080] achieve. But that was only a fleeting moment and what followed from that was
[07:16.080 -> 07:21.920] the sense of despair, the unhappiness and basically got himself into a position
[07:21.920 -> 07:25.960] where he was driving his car at a
[07:23.360 -> 07:28.400] motorway bridge deciding that his life
[07:25.960 -> 07:31.160] wasn't worth living. So you start to see
[07:28.400 -> 07:33.120] that the view isn't always worth the
[07:31.160 -> 07:35.520] climb if it's not accompanied by
[07:33.120 -> 07:37.160] happiness, contentment and fulfillment
[07:35.520 -> 07:39.280] along the way. Let's have a listen to a
[07:37.160 -> 07:44.120] clip then from our conversation with
[07:39.280 -> 07:46.080] Tyson Fury. With every big high there's
[07:44.120 -> 07:46.040] always an even bigger low for me.
[07:46.040 -> 07:51.120] So this character will morph like a Power Ranger or an anime character.
[07:51.120 -> 07:56.280] It'll morph into this guy and then there's always massive lows afterwards like big depressions
[07:56.280 -> 07:58.440] and anxiety and everything after these big events.
[07:58.440 -> 07:59.440] Even now?
[07:59.440 -> 08:00.440] Even now, yeah.
[08:00.440 -> 08:04.320] So after the Wembley fight, obviously it was the higher the highs, the lower the lows will
[08:04.320 -> 08:05.760] always be for me.
[08:05.760 -> 08:10.760] But I figured out how to manage this over time.
[08:11.080 -> 08:13.160] So what I like to do now is,
[08:13.160 -> 08:14.960] I know it's coming after these big events,
[08:14.960 -> 08:16.360] I'm gonna be down.
[08:16.360 -> 08:18.440] Most of the times I have suicidal thoughts,
[08:18.440 -> 08:21.480] which is kind of crazy even to sit here and admit today
[08:21.480 -> 08:24.000] that after these big events and these big successes,
[08:24.000 -> 08:25.200] I'm like
[08:25.200 -> 08:28.480] proper suicidal for a few days.
[08:28.480 -> 08:34.400] I mean to hear someone like Tyson speak to us so vulnerably and openly and honestly to
[08:34.400 -> 08:40.040] me is a good indication of how we've changed as interviewers as well. So if we go back
[08:40.040 -> 08:44.800] to one of our early episodes where we interviewed Ant Middleton, somebody that has achieved
[08:44.800 -> 08:48.640] an awful lot in his career being a member of the special forces, becoming a household i un o'n gynlluniau cyntaf pan ydyn ni'n ymweld â'r ffyrddwyr, un o'r rhai sydd wedi cyfrifio llawer yn ei gyrfa, yn bod yn rhan o'r Sbriciall Fforce, yn cael ei enw'r
[08:48.640 -> 08:53.520] gwahoddau drwy'r series TV. Pan ydyn ni'n ymweld âd-dyn, rwy'n
[08:53.520 -> 08:58.560] debygu am y parable o'r ffyrdd a'r llun. Felly, y stori pan roedd y llun a'r ffyrdd
[08:58.560 -> 09:02.640] yn siarad am pa bod yn y un sy'n cael un o'r bobl i ddod allan i ddod allan i'w
[09:02.640 -> 09:09.360] coed, ac y ffyrdd aeth, ond gwylio i mi, byddwn i'n ffwrdd iawn ac y mwy o'r fwyn wedi'i gwneud, ac y mwy fwy ffwrdd o'r fwyn, y dynwydd y dynwydd
[09:09.360 -> 09:13.280] yn gynllunio'i cot yn ymwneud â'i. Roedd y son yn dweud, gadewch i mi ychydig arno
[09:13.280 -> 09:17.520] ac yn ymlaen, fe ddechreuodd ei hyrwyddo ac yn ymlaen, y dynwydd wedi'i gynllunio'i cot ei hun
[09:17.520 -> 09:22.960] ei hun. Ac rwy'n credu mai dyna'n gyfnod da, os byddwn ni'n mynd i'r dynwyr, fel ychydig
[09:22.960 -> 09:26.240] o'r rhan fyddwn ni'n ei wneud, rwy'n credu, gyda'r Middleton, rydyn ni'n ei cymryd 60% o'r gwirionedd i'w ffyrdd a'r ffaith ei bod wedi'i ddod o'r ffordd i unrhyw un.
[09:26.240 -> 09:32.000] Roeddwn i'n meddwl, fel y ffyrdd gyda ni, ac y mwyaf rydyn ni'n gwblhau, roedd y cyfrifiad yn ddweud ei fod yn ddiffynu'r sefyllfa.
[09:32.000 -> 09:38.960] Ond rwy'n credu, pan ddechreuon ni ddweud ein bod yn gysylltu a chael sylw i bobl drwy'r llynedd o'r ymdrech,
[09:38.960 -> 09:45.300] mae'n fwy na'r ffyrdd. Ac rwy'n credu, fel y ddweud yw, mae'n ddweud y byddwn i'n ddweud, fiercely became in defending his position, whereas I think when we stopped trying to have an opinion
[09:45.300 -> 09:49.260] and started to see people through the lens of empathy,
[09:49.260 -> 09:50.460] it's more like the sun.
[09:50.460 -> 09:52.340] And like Tyson demonstrated there,
[09:52.340 -> 09:53.620] they're more prepared to open up
[09:53.620 -> 09:55.620] when they don't feel there's a judgment
[09:55.620 -> 10:00.300] or some kind of statement or opinion that's gonna follow.
[10:00.300 -> 10:01.940] And I think the thing that we're most proud of
[10:01.940 -> 10:04.220] is that people feel that high performance
[10:04.220 -> 10:06.960] is a safe space to come and be totally themselves.
[10:06.960 -> 10:11.480] You know, we like a good example, Stephen Hendry telling us that selfishness is one
[10:11.480 -> 10:17.360] of his non-negotiables or that he wouldn't swap winning a world title to improve relationships
[10:17.360 -> 10:19.000] in his personal life.
[10:19.000 -> 10:23.280] Like what was his phrase I was put on the earth to, you know, to play snooker effectively.
[10:23.280 -> 10:28.160] I just think that if someone says that, like that's what they believe and all we can
[10:28.160 -> 10:32.720] do is provide a place, a non-judgmental place to have those conversations.
[10:32.720 -> 10:36.800] Our role is not to decide good or evil, positive or negative, successful or
[10:36.800 -> 10:40.400] failure, it's just literally to be the foil for these people. And do you remember
[10:40.400 -> 10:44.040] on the same day that we interviewed Stephen Hendry we had Johnny Wilkinson on
[10:44.040 -> 10:46.200] the podcast and I honestly think that if we tried to be the wind and tried to do you remember on the same day that we interviewed Stephen Hendry, we had Johnny
[10:43.360 -> 10:48.360] Wilkinson on the podcast, and I honestly
[10:46.200 -> 10:51.040] think that if we tried to be the wind and
[10:48.360 -> 10:52.960] tried to impose our own thinking on
[10:51.040 -> 10:54.440] Johnny, we would never have gone where we
[10:52.960 -> 10:56.440] went to with him, which was to some
[10:54.440 -> 10:58.680] absolutely remarkable places, and again,
[10:56.440 -> 10:59.920] you have to applaud his bravery for
[10:58.680 -> 11:02.400] wanting to talk in a way that he did.
[10:59.920 -> 11:03.640] Well, what always gets me about Johnny, and
[11:02.400 -> 11:05.640] we'll listen to a clip of him in a
[11:03.640 -> 11:08.480] minute, is the fact that he came along and like you say, he obviously felt safe
[11:08.480 -> 11:11.760] enough to come and explore and be curious with some of these ideas and
[11:11.760 -> 11:15.960] almost think out loud, but it was only after we'd finished recording that he
[11:15.960 -> 11:20.760] asked us, please don't edit this to make me look silly. So he gave us his trust
[11:20.760 -> 11:26.000] without demanding it up front, He came and demonstrated that trust is something
[11:26.000 -> 11:27.280] that you can give,
[11:27.280 -> 11:30.120] and then it's not something that you have to earn.
[11:30.120 -> 11:32.320] And I think the response from both of us
[11:32.320 -> 11:34.920] and the rest of the team was that we wanted to treat that
[11:34.920 -> 11:37.180] with the sensitivity and discretion
[11:37.180 -> 11:38.920] and respect that it deserved.
[11:38.920 -> 11:39.760] Here he is.
[11:41.760 -> 11:47.160] I've made an analogy that about how when I was younger,'d be like, oh, you know playing a World Cup final
[11:47.160 -> 11:52.080] That's important and now you know the idea about doing the washing up would have been like don't you dare and now I'm like
[11:52.080 -> 11:54.000] I love doing the washing up and he couldn't believe it was like it's rubbish
[11:54.000 -> 11:59.000] I said well, what is it you love about what does define being a triathlete to me?
[11:59.560 -> 12:03.580] And he was saying about doing the run and then the swim and then the cycle wherever I say, okay
[12:03.580 -> 12:05.160] Right now break that down for me.
[12:05.160 -> 12:05.980] What are you doing?
[12:05.980 -> 12:08.800] Well, I'm moving my body to get to a goal.
[12:08.800 -> 12:09.640] I said, right, what are you doing
[12:09.640 -> 12:11.480] when you're doing the washing up?
[12:11.480 -> 12:13.480] Moving my body to get to a goal.
[12:13.480 -> 12:14.960] So why is one good and one's bad?
[12:14.960 -> 12:15.800] Why?
[12:15.800 -> 12:17.520] Because of outside opinions and influences, I suppose.
[12:17.520 -> 12:18.520] Because of old ideas.
[12:18.520 -> 12:21.720] That I've decided that this is something I like doing
[12:21.720 -> 12:24.620] because I plug into this,
[12:24.620 -> 12:26.520] because this is what I enjoy doing.
[12:26.520 -> 12:28.960] So all those, it's a really tricky one
[12:29.880 -> 12:31.600] and there's obviously gonna be likes and dislikes,
[12:31.600 -> 12:33.700] but whether or not you fully engage
[12:33.700 -> 12:35.760] comes down to how you are on the inside.
[12:35.760 -> 12:39.060] Does that make lifting a World Cup more important
[12:39.060 -> 12:40.720] than doing the washing up?
[12:40.720 -> 12:41.560] No.
[12:43.600 -> 12:48.500] What I loved about that conversation with Johnny is a reminder that we're all on a journey.
[12:48.500 -> 12:51.500] You know, we're not fixed, right? There'll be people listening to this that go,
[12:51.500 -> 12:58.000] well, but I'm an anxious person or I'm a negative person or I'm a stubborn person or I'm a positive person.
[12:58.000 -> 13:02.000] Like, that's not how we're born, right? Society shapes us in certain ways.
[13:02.000 -> 13:07.560] And there are certain parts of our lives and the way we operate that we suppress because of society and Johnny for a long
[13:07.560 -> 13:11.720] time I think suppressed this kind of thinking because he was seen as Johnny
[13:11.720 -> 13:15.000] Wilkinson the rugby player and as he openly said to us he chose the path of
[13:15.000 -> 13:18.380] struggle thinking it would lead to the moment of enlightenment and all that the
[13:18.380 -> 13:24.000] path of struggle did was lead to even more struggle. So really I would implore
[13:24.000 -> 13:26.160] people even if they've
[13:24.800 -> 13:28.960] heard that conversation with Johnny
[13:26.160 -> 13:30.920] before, to go back and listen again and
[13:28.960 -> 13:32.840] just realize that nothing is fixed.
[13:30.920 -> 13:35.360] Yeah, and if people want to almost see
[13:32.840 -> 13:36.760] that in practice, go and then listen to
[13:35.360 -> 13:39.280] the follow-up episode we did with him,
[13:36.760 -> 13:42.280] which we recorded two years later, because
[13:39.280 -> 13:43.960] Johnny even critiques his own interview
[13:42.280 -> 13:45.720] that he did with us and talks about,
[13:43.960 -> 13:46.240] I believed
[13:44.440 -> 13:48.640] this then but I now believe something
[13:46.240 -> 13:51.160] else. And he's almost the epitome of
[13:48.640 -> 13:53.720] everything that he preaches which is be
[13:51.160 -> 13:56.480] curious and keep exploring. I loved him.
[13:53.720 -> 13:58.320] Who should we talk about next? I think the
[13:56.480 -> 14:00.320] next episode we should talk about is
[13:58.320 -> 14:03.600] somebody that reminds me of one of the
[14:00.320 -> 14:05.680] classic experiments in psychology. In the
[14:03.600 -> 14:05.600] 1960s there was two psychologists called Robert Rosenthal and Leona un o'r ymgeisyddau clasig yng nghyfres ymgyrchu. Yn y 1960au, roedd ddau ymgyrchu yn
[14:05.600 -> 14:10.240] gyfeirio Robert Rosenthal a Leona Jacobson, ac maen nhw'n mynd i'r ystafellau lle
[14:10.240 -> 14:15.360] dweud y gallent gynllunio'r test psychometraidd cyffredinol, a oedd y cyflogwyr fawr.
[14:16.080 -> 14:19.360] Ac roeddent yn gwneud y ystudiau, a rhoi'r enwau i'r ddysgwyr, ac ar ddiwedd yr ystyr
[14:19.360 -> 14:29.280] ddod yn ôl, ac yn ddiweddol, mae'r testau eu g gweithio, y rhai sydd wedi'u deall fel perfformiwrs, yn waith iawn, o'r top o'r clas ar yr holl meddwlau y gallent efallai eisiau
[14:29.280 -> 14:34.560] deall. Yn ystod hyn, roeddent wedi'u dangos bod yna gwylion y gynulliadau ar y rhaid. Ac rydyn nhw wedi
[14:34.560 -> 14:38.880] demonstroi sut, pan mae gennych ddiddordeb bod rhywun yn perfformiwr fawr, maen nhw'n deimlo
[14:38.880 -> 14:42.960] eu byw i'w gael. Mae'n deimlo eich bod yn edrych ar gyfer cyfleoedd i ddod o'r ffordd a'i gydnabod.
[14:43.680 -> 14:45.760] Ac rwy'n credu bod hynny'n beth pwysig iawn,
[14:45.760 -> 14:50.800] mae'n ei gynnal y pygmalion effaith ar ôl y ffamous George Bernard Shaw
[14:50.800 -> 14:56.560] gwaith, ond rwy'n credu bod y pygmalion effaith yn ddod o hyd i ddewisau gwych yn rhai o'n gwestiynau
[14:56.560 -> 15:01.760] na ddywedodd pobl eisiau eu clywed, ond rwyf wedi cael cyfleoedd o ble rywun wedi credu
[15:01.760 -> 15:05.760] ynddo nhw ar rai o'r tro yn eu bywyd a dywedodd y gwnaethant ffloresu ac y cyfleoedd gwych i mi of where somebody's believed in them at some stage in their life and they
[15:03.440 -> 15:07.680] blossomed and flourished. And the best
[15:05.760 -> 15:09.640] example for me was Dame Stephanie
[15:07.680 -> 15:11.880] Shirley. How often do you get the
[15:09.640 -> 15:14.560] opportunity to sit down with somebody
[15:11.880 -> 15:16.160] that is nearer the end than the
[15:14.560 -> 15:18.280] beginning of their life but they're still
[15:16.160 -> 15:20.440] able to distill and share the wisdom,
[15:18.280 -> 15:23.440] the lessons and the experiences they've
[15:20.440 -> 15:25.040] learned in a true life worth living, to
[15:23.440 -> 15:27.600] tell us how they flourished and
[15:24.920 -> 15:30.280] how others can do so as well. She came
[15:27.600 -> 15:32.560] over on the Kindertransport, she then was
[15:30.280 -> 15:35.560] fostered in the UK, set up a tech business,
[15:32.560 -> 15:37.040] sold it for billions, gave lots of that
[15:35.560 -> 15:38.720] money to the people that had run the
[15:37.040 -> 15:40.960] business for her, who by the way were all
[15:38.720 -> 15:42.400] women. She then was the first person to
[15:40.960 -> 15:44.520] voluntarily fall out of the Sunday
[15:42.400 -> 15:51.040] Times rich list for giving away her money to autism charities after having an autistic son. She is the most remarkable
[15:51.040 -> 15:56.120] individual, her name should trip off the tongue. Her name by the way is Stephanie, but she
[15:56.120 -> 16:00.920] calls herself Steve because when she was making her mark in the world, nobody took women seriously.
[16:00.920 -> 16:06.200] Let's hear a clip from Dame Stephanie Shirley, aka Steve, when she joined
[16:06.200 -> 16:10.080] us on High Performance.
[16:10.080 -> 16:19.720] Giles changed over a matter of days between being a calm, happy baby to being a wild,
[16:19.720 -> 16:28.120] unmanageable toddler, hyperkinetic, totally unaware of danger, lost eye contact, and he
[16:28.120 -> 16:32.840] went through what's called a regression. And there are a few illnesses and things that
[16:32.840 -> 16:39.100] have regression, and autism is one of them. I cracked up and had a good old-fashioned
[16:39.100 -> 16:47.680] nervous breakdown, finished up in hospital, and because I was the carer for Giles, he also had to go to hospital,
[16:47.680 -> 16:59.280] and he spent the next 13 years in mental health, an asylum really. It is the spiritual things in
[16:59.280 -> 17:10.360] life that matter. Friendship, music, literature, poetry, nature, friends, love. These are the things that really
[17:10.360 -> 17:17.160] matter, all the non-material things. I mean, we had, we actually had a few guests,
[17:17.160 -> 17:21.360] do you remember, from the BBC and watching that recording? Yeah. All of them emerged with tears
[17:21.360 -> 17:25.000] in their eyes, didn't they? Yeah, definitely. I think her story can't fail to touch anyone i'r ffyrdd. Ac rwy'n credu, rwy'n credu, rwy'n credu, rwy'n credu,
[17:25.000 -> 17:26.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:26.000 -> 17:27.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:27.000 -> 17:28.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:28.000 -> 17:29.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:29.000 -> 17:30.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:30.000 -> 17:31.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:31.000 -> 17:32.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:32.000 -> 17:33.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:33.000 -> 17:34.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:34.000 -> 17:35.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:35.000 -> 17:36.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:36.000 -> 17:37.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:37.000 -> 17:38.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:38.000 -> 17:39.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:39.000 -> 17:40.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:40.000 -> 17:41.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:41.000 -> 17:42.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:42.000 -> 17:43.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:43.000 -> 17:44.000] rwy'n credu,
[17:44.000 -> 17:45.360] rwy'n credu, rwy'n credu, rwy'n credu, r example. She might not, when you're scrolling through it,
[17:45.360 -> 17:47.440] if you've never come to high performance before,
[17:47.440 -> 17:48.640] you might not know who she is.
[17:48.640 -> 17:52.560] So you might decide you'll skip that for a more well-known name.
[17:52.560 -> 17:56.720] But sometimes it's when we go exploring those that we've never heard of,
[17:56.720 -> 17:58.160] that we find the real gold.
[17:59.360 -> 18:01.520] And I love her approach to risk.
[18:01.520 -> 18:02.160] What does she say?
[18:02.720 -> 18:06.640] Risk is not as risky as it might seem.
[18:06.640 -> 18:10.320] Wonderful, wonderful. Should we hear from Eddie Howe?
[18:10.320 -> 18:15.440] I'd love to because I got a buzz out of this because sometimes we record these episodes
[18:15.440 -> 18:19.600] and we put them out there into the world and don't necessarily always know how they land
[18:19.600 -> 18:28.640] or what people do with them. We do get some incredibly kind and generous messages from our listeners but the opportunity to go and interview somebody that is a
[18:28.640 -> 18:33.160] listener to the podcast who told us how he's taken some of the lessons that he's
[18:33.160 -> 18:37.280] learned on it and applied it when taking over one of the biggest football teams
[18:37.280 -> 18:43.480] in England was incredibly humbling. Here he is, Eddie Howe. We're gonna run through
[18:43.480 -> 18:45.000] our quickfire questions.
[18:45.000 -> 18:46.880] The three non-negotiable behaviors
[18:46.880 -> 18:50.160] that you and the people around you have to buy into.
[18:50.160 -> 18:51.800] Quite basic, if I can remember them.
[18:51.800 -> 18:53.720] Bear in mind, I've presented this to my players.
[18:53.720 -> 18:56.000] So, off the back of your podcast,
[18:56.000 -> 18:57.680] this is one of my first meetings I had with them.
[18:57.680 -> 19:00.320] I recommended they listen to it.
[19:00.320 -> 19:01.280] So I sat them down and I said,
[19:01.280 -> 19:03.440] high performance podcast, both your faces at the front.
[19:03.440 -> 19:06.080] And I said, listen to this podcast, it's amazing.
[19:06.080 -> 19:07.840] And I said, they got this section on there,
[19:07.840 -> 19:09.800] three non-negotiable behaviors.
[19:09.800 -> 19:12.320] And these are my three, so you understand me more.
[19:12.320 -> 19:14.860] Always give your best, very basic.
[19:15.860 -> 19:18.040] Be willing to learn and improve
[19:18.040 -> 19:19.440] and put the interests of the team
[19:19.440 -> 19:21.600] before your own personal interests.
[19:21.600 -> 19:22.960] Did you ever ask for theirs?
[19:22.960 -> 19:25.120] Well, Jacob Murphy, who listens to your podcast
[19:25.120 -> 19:31.200] as well, he gave me his. Don't ask me to remember them, but yes, a couple of them came back.
[19:31.200 -> 19:34.800] Nice. What advice would you give to a teenage Eddie just starting out?
[19:34.800 -> 19:40.560] I'm going to contradict myself with my answer here. So I would say back off yourself a little
[19:40.560 -> 19:45.400] bit and enjoy it a bit more. Go easy on yourself. But as we said earlier,
[19:45.400 -> 19:48.480] that's enabled me to get to this position,
[19:48.480 -> 19:51.040] which when you consider where I was at 16,
[19:51.040 -> 19:53.360] I would never have believed it possible
[19:53.360 -> 19:54.280] what I've done in my life.
[19:54.280 -> 19:57.280] So I'm not sure if that's the right advice,
[19:57.280 -> 19:59.280] but almost along the way,
[19:59.280 -> 20:01.440] just try and take it in and enjoy it a bit more.
[20:01.440 -> 20:04.400] What do you think you could have got to the same place
[20:04.400 -> 20:06.300] if you'd have been a little bit kinder?
[20:06.300 -> 20:07.640] No, I honestly don't.
[20:07.640 -> 20:12.640] No, I've had to push and work and sacrifice to get here.
[20:14.280 -> 20:17.500] And I don't think I could have done it another way.
[20:19.400 -> 20:20.840] I mean, you know, when he says,
[20:20.840 -> 20:22.320] I wanted to come on the podcast
[20:22.320 -> 20:24.440] and thank you for helping me when I was out of work
[20:24.440 -> 20:28.960] or when we went to speak to Gareth Southgate, or did he say your podcast got me through lockdown?
[20:29.680 -> 20:33.920] I mean, it's a reminder that, you know, everyone can grow at any time, you know, it's easy to
[20:33.920 -> 20:36.960] think, well, Gareth Southgate's the England manager, Eddie Howes, the Newcastle boss,
[20:36.960 -> 20:42.080] surely these people can't grow closer towards high performance. But the truth is, we're all
[20:42.080 -> 20:46.060] on a journey. and I think this
[20:44.060 -> 20:47.560] podcast, if it stands for anything, it
[20:46.060 -> 20:50.740] stands for reminding the audience that
[20:47.560 -> 20:51.860] they should be lifelong learners. Toby Greenwood-Devon-Hall
[20:50.740 -> 20:53.860] Definitely, and
[20:51.860 -> 20:56.820] Eddie gave that great example on it where
[20:53.860 -> 20:58.460] when he'd left Bournemouth, having got them
[20:56.820 -> 21:01.860] in the Premier League, kept them there and
[20:58.460 -> 21:03.940] then got them relegated, he took a year
[21:01.860 -> 21:07.060] off and he decided it was going to be a
[21:03.940 -> 21:06.000] full calendar 12-month period and during ymdrechion, fe wnaeth e'i ddod yn ôl a'i ddysgu ei fod yn byw yn dilyn cyfnod 12 mlynedd.
[21:06.000 -> 21:13.000] Ar y cyfnod honno, fe gosodd e'i gysylltiad, fe gosodd e'i amser gyda'i teulu, ond yna fe wnaeth e'i ddod yn ôl a'i ddysgu ei ddarlith.
[21:13.000 -> 21:18.000] Fe wnaeth e'i ddod yn ôl i'w hysbysebu beth y gwyddodd e'i gwybod, beth y gafodd e'i gael yn well,
[21:18.000 -> 21:22.000] sut y galled e'i wella mewn ardalau eraill. Ac rwy'n credu mai dyna'r wylion i gyd.
[21:22.000 -> 21:29.520] Dyma'r gynulleidfa a byddai'r mwyaf o bobl yn ei ymweld â fel un o'r ddynion hwn o gyfweliwrau other areas and I think that's a lesson for all of us. This is a guy that most people would regard as one of the great of this generation of managers in soccer
[21:29.520 -> 21:35.000] but the fact that he's still prepared to invest in his own development says if he
[21:35.000 -> 21:40.080] can do it, any of us can and hopefully the high performance podcast can be part
[21:40.080 -> 21:44.080] of your diet of self-improvement. And of course you can also download the high
[21:44.080 -> 21:50.000] performance app for exclusive content from lots of these guests. Let's have someone else from the sporting world,
[21:50.000 -> 21:55.840] my former world, Christian Horner. Ah, brilliant. So this one we went to the Red Bull team factory
[21:55.840 -> 22:00.080] at Milton Keynes and you know it's very rare that someone in Formula One gives you a full hour of
[22:00.080 -> 22:11.200] their time because they've got so much going on. But it was an episode we recorded relatively early in the life of high performance. But it was one where again, like, just asking
[22:11.200 -> 22:17.840] Christian to open up, to share, to talk about his struggles, but to talk about his successes.
[22:17.840 -> 22:21.940] It just brought a really rounded view of a man that everyone seems to have an opinion
[22:21.940 -> 22:27.320] of these days. But listen to this episode and you'll hear the truth about that guy. Yeah, I mean the fact that he
[22:27.320 -> 22:31.280] was even telling us about the pearls of wisdom that his wife, Geri Halliwell,
[22:31.280 -> 22:35.840] shared with him. I still quote the one of, a pat on the back is only a few inches
[22:35.840 -> 22:40.280] higher than a kick up the arse, as one of the messages that Geri tells him on a
[22:40.280 -> 22:44.240] regular basis to keep him grounded and not to get too carried away with the
[22:44.240 -> 22:46.720] success. But to me it was the fact that he was coming at a time when he was ar y cyfan ar gyfer ei gael yn ymgyrchu ac i ddim cael llawer o'r cyflawni. Ond i mi, roedd y ffaith
[22:46.720 -> 22:52.560] fod yn dod ar y cyfnod pan oedd yn byw yn ei hefyd yn ymgyrchu'r rhagorau ei hun gyda'r Red Bull, felly
[22:52.560 -> 22:58.400] rwy'n gwybod bod nhw wedi cyflawni'r diweddau diwethaf, ond ar y cyfnod roedd yn dod yn y
[22:58.400 -> 23:06.000] drosglwyddoedd o Mercedes, ac yn y blynyddoedd roedd yn dod a roedd yn dithaf'n barod i siarad am y wyliau o'r blwyfyrau anodd honno
[23:06.000 -> 23:11.000] yn yr un maen nhw'n dysgu o'r tro pan roedd eu drifoedd yn dod ar y pwd.
[23:11.000 -> 23:12.000] Dyma hi.
[23:15.000 -> 23:18.000] Felly, pa wyliau byddwch chi wedi'u cymryd o'r ffordd rydych chi wedi'i gyrraedd,
[23:18.000 -> 23:20.000] a byddwch chi'n mynd i'w blaen i'w plant nawr?
[23:20.000 -> 23:23.000] Rwy'n credu, i ddim fod yn ffried o'ch gwastraffu eich mhwyfyr,
[23:23.000 -> 23:25.780] i ddim fod yn ffried o'ch arfer am y starau, oherwydd efallai byddwch chi'n dod ar y llun. I think to not be afraid of chasing your dreams to not be afraid of
[23:30.760 -> 23:32.760] Shooting for the stars because you might land on the moon you get one life and you've got to go for it We're here for such a small percentage of time
[23:33.440 -> 23:37.600] Don't waste it go for it. You know you whatever it is, whatever
[23:38.600 -> 23:40.600] Gives you a passion in life
[23:40.600 -> 23:45.360] Chase it and don't wait because it might not you might not never get ever
[23:45.360 -> 23:50.000] get the chance again so you've got to grab it embrace it and pick it up and
[23:50.000 -> 23:54.160] run and and enjoy it that's the other thing I enjoy what I do I'm just
[23:54.160 -> 23:58.000] fortunate I get paid for something that I enjoy doing and I think if you're
[23:58.000 -> 24:02.880] doing something just for the money that's not right that's that's you're
[24:02.880 -> 24:05.240] never gonna get the best out of something
[24:05.240 -> 24:07.720] if it's just about the paycheck at the end of the month.
[24:07.720 -> 24:09.640] You've gotta love what you do.
[24:09.640 -> 24:11.080] You've gotta enjoy what you do.
[24:11.080 -> 24:13.960] And then if you do that, you're gonna do it a lot better.
[24:15.520 -> 24:19.080] And that conversation about Formula One is Christian's take.
[24:19.080 -> 24:21.560] We've also had George Russell on High Performance
[24:21.560 -> 24:23.960] talking about life as a Formula One driver.
[24:23.960 -> 24:28.720] I mean, the Toto Wolf episode is one that has, you know, it like impacts people all the time.
[24:28.720 -> 24:33.440] And actually, we've recently heard from the brilliant Fernando Alonso. This is a man that
[24:33.440 -> 24:39.040] isn't prying to give in our interviews and yet he sat down with us for an hour and shared the
[24:39.040 -> 24:48.080] lessons that he's learned from quite humble origins in Spain to, again, the summit of Formula One. And he talks about preparation. I mean I love that conversation with him about
[24:48.080 -> 24:51.800] preparing. What is it we said? I wanted him to go really emotional when I said
[24:51.800 -> 24:54.440] so you're sitting on the start finish straight, the lights are about to go out,
[24:54.440 -> 24:57.240] it's the beginning of a Grand Prix, you put your visor down, what you thinking?
[24:57.240 -> 25:02.560] And he just went, robot. I just thought, perfect! That is his version of high
[25:02.560 -> 25:05.760] performance. I really hope if you're new to the podcast that was really helpful for you and if you listen to these regularly I just think, perfect! That is his version of high performance. Well, I really hope if you're new to the podcast,
[25:05.760 -> 25:07.200] that was really helpful for you.
[25:07.200 -> 25:08.920] And if you listen to these regularly,
[25:08.920 -> 25:11.080] I just think that's a great reminder that,
[25:11.080 -> 25:12.320] you know, you can listen to an episode,
[25:12.320 -> 25:13.720] take a lot from it, learn from it,
[25:13.720 -> 25:15.800] but actually sometimes the best thing is
[25:15.800 -> 25:18.440] to go back and have a listen again,
[25:18.440 -> 25:20.360] because you will be a different person
[25:20.360 -> 25:22.480] to the person that listened to Johnny or Eddie
[25:22.480 -> 25:25.000] or Stephanie or Christian or Tyson all those months ago.
[25:25.000 -> 25:29.000] So maybe try that out, go back, have another listen and see how you've changed.
[25:29.000 -> 25:35.000] Yeah, because we certainly have changed on the journey that we've been on over the last 200 plus episodes.
[25:35.000 -> 25:40.000] I think we started out, like I say, being quite, like think of it as that parable.
[25:40.000 -> 25:45.680] We started out as being the wind, looking to challenge, looking to try and find out
[25:45.680 -> 25:47.000] what was it that drove them.
[25:47.000 -> 25:51.320] I think we're now aiming to be more like the sun and try and step into their world and
[25:51.320 -> 25:52.320] see it from their perspective.
[25:52.320 -> 25:56.600] And what we're finding is we tend to get richer information that comes back.
[25:56.600 -> 25:57.600] I really enjoyed it.
[25:57.600 -> 25:58.600] Thanks a lot, Damien.
[25:58.600 -> 25:59.600] Thank you, Jake.
[25:59.600 -> 26:01.680] And by the way, thank you all so much for listening.
[26:01.680 -> 26:03.760] Don't forget, you can watch on YouTube.
[26:03.760 -> 26:06.080] You can also download the High performance app. See you soon