The importance of adaptability with Neil Fachie

These bitesize episodes focus on the greatest lessons we’ve learnt from the guests we've had on the podcast.

In this episode Jake and Damian reflect back their conversation with Paralympian, Neil Fachie. This episode was recorded via Zoom during the pandemic, Jake and Damian discuss how this set up sometimes led to more open and honest conversations - this was definitely true in the case of Neil.

This bitesize clip explores how Neil dealt with the struggles of his disability and how it has taught him resilience and problem solving skills.

You can listen to the full conversation here: https://pod.fo/e/c1ace

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In this episode, Jake and Damian reflect on their conversation with Paralympian, Neil Fachie, recorded during the pandemic via Zoom. They discuss how this setup sometimes led to more open and honest conversations, as was the case with Neil.

Neil shared his struggles with his disability and how it taught him resilience and problem-solving skills. He emphasized the importance of viewing challenges as opportunities for growth, rather than obstacles. Neil's mindset allowed him to excel in cycling, becoming a Paralympic champion and world record holder.

The hosts explore the concept of reframing, which involves changing one's perspective on a situation or challenge. They discuss the mental models or heuristics that shape our interpretations of the world and how they can influence our reactions.

Neil's ability to reframe his disability as something he could overcome is a powerful example of how our reactions to challenges determine our outcomes. The hosts emphasize that taking responsibility for our reactions, rather than blaming external factors, empowers us to learn and grow from difficult situations.

They also discuss the importance of focusing on effort rather than outcome, as this gives us a sense of control and autonomy. This mindset can help us feel more powerful and capable of giving our best in any situation.

The hosts encourage listeners to reflect on the challenges in their own lives and consider how much of their stress and worry is due to the situation itself or their reaction to it. They emphasize the distinction between fault and responsibility, highlighting that life is about how we respond to events, not just the events themselves.

Listeners are encouraged to explore the back catalog of the podcast to discover more lessons and learnings from previous guests. The episode concludes with a reminder that understanding the difference between fault and responsibility and focusing on effort can lead to significant personal growth.

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[02:37.360 -> 02:41.080] for details hi there welcome along to another bite-sized edition of the
[02:41.080 -> 02:44.680] high-performance podcast this is where we take a previous guest who's joined us
[02:44.680 -> 02:50.240] over the last well almost 200 almost 200 episodes, would you believe, and we just take
[02:50.240 -> 02:54.640] a little nugget, a little moment of inspiration, a message from them, and I'll talk about it
[02:54.640 -> 02:56.120] with Professor Damien Hughes. Hey, Damien.
[02:56.120 -> 02:57.120] Damien Hughes
[02:57.120 -> 02:58.120] Hey, Jake. You all right?
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[02:59.120 -> 03:01.160] Yeah, really well. So we're going to hear from someone who joined us actually during
[03:01.160 -> 03:06.680] COVID, when we weren't able to get to these guests. And do you remember all the fuss of trying to make sure that our internet
[03:06.680 -> 03:10.800] connection was working and that we could hear and see each other but it was
[03:10.800 -> 03:14.520] always very different when we weren't in the same room as our guests but actually
[03:14.520 -> 03:18.640] in some ways it allowed them a bit of freedom I think didn't you just to just
[03:18.640 -> 03:23.440] to talk to a like a camera as it was then and just really be free and open
[03:23.440 -> 03:30.160] and be themselves? Yeah definitely I think for people to almost have the opportunity to speak and
[03:30.160 -> 03:36.360] be and listen was really powerful and I think it was a real privilege to be able
[03:36.360 -> 03:40.120] to get to speak to Neil at the time because he was in the process of
[03:40.120 -> 03:44.120] preparing for the Commonwealth Games. Yeah this is one of the positives I
[03:44.120 -> 03:47.680] guess is that you know using technology allowed us to get to people we couldn't
[03:47.680 -> 03:52.080] normally get to and as Damian quite rightly points out Neil Fasci was
[03:52.080 -> 03:57.220] preparing for the Paralympics. He's a 2012 Paralympic champion, reigning world
[03:57.220 -> 04:02.520] champion and tandem kilo and flying 200 meter world record holder who was
[04:02.520 -> 04:09.960] selected for his third Paralympics in Tokyo. An amazing guy, an incredible athlete but also someone who has had to
[04:09.960 -> 04:15.680] really find resilience and he's had to flip the challenge of his disability to
[04:15.680 -> 04:19.480] be a positive in his life and that's what he spoke to us when he joined us on
[04:19.480 -> 04:25.400] the High Performance Podcast as episode number 50. Here's a small taste of what he told us.
[04:28.000 -> 04:32.280] I've realized looking back that yet that ability to problem solve has been
[04:32.280 -> 04:35.720] incredible for me. So like my eye condition gets worse over time.
[04:35.760 -> 04:38.640] So I faced the realistic probability at some point in my life,
[04:38.640 -> 04:41.880] I'll go totally blind at this point. I still have some sight,
[04:41.880 -> 04:44.720] but it's quite blurry. And when I was younger, it was much better.
[04:44.720 -> 04:48.800] So I've constantly had to adapt how adapt how I go about in the world,
[04:48.800 -> 04:51.360] how I was educated at school.
[04:51.360 -> 04:52.560] That was constantly changing.
[04:52.560 -> 04:55.160] And it's just problem solving that I've really learned.
[04:55.160 -> 04:57.160] And I actually really enjoy problem solving now,
[04:57.160 -> 05:00.560] that ability to overcome something and find a way to do it.
[05:00.560 -> 05:02.120] I find it really exciting.
[05:02.120 -> 05:05.280] So yeah, I think in many ways I'm quite lucky
[05:05.280 -> 05:09.200] however if you were to offer me my eyesight back I'd probably snap your
[05:09.200 -> 05:13.320] hand off to be honest. But the word disability I don't know I don't hate it
[05:13.320 -> 05:17.160] to be honest it's something that's often discussed but I don't really see it as a
[05:17.160 -> 05:20.520] negative myself anymore but that's probably because I'm surrounded by other people
[05:20.520 -> 05:23.220] with disabilities who are excelling at what they do.
[05:23.220 -> 05:29.200] So can we explore this idea then Neil about, you described it as problem solving and I described
[05:29.200 -> 05:34.240] it as the ability to not remain stuck. Would you break that process down because it sounds like
[05:34.240 -> 05:39.520] it's something you've had to learn from quite a young age of when you're faced with a challenge.
[05:40.080 -> 05:42.480] How do you go about dealing with that?
[05:42.480 -> 05:50.920] Yeah, interesting question. I like that. It's, for me, initially, I think it was that case of just trying to prove people wrong.
[05:50.920 -> 05:53.600] I said I didn't really accept my disability.
[05:53.600 -> 05:57.040] I wanted to do the things that other people did.
[05:57.040 -> 06:00.760] So for a long time, I used that kind of almost chip on the shoulder mentality
[06:00.760 -> 06:09.360] where people said, someone with your eyesight shouldn't be doing these things and I just wanted to prove that I can and
[06:09.360 -> 06:13.020] it's just that fighting attitude but to be honest in later life it's kind of
[06:13.020 -> 06:18.000] changed a lot where now it's that ability to reflect on situations that
[06:18.000 -> 06:20.880] are tough and I've gone through quite a lot in my sporting career where I've hit
[06:20.880 -> 06:26.600] real low points and you know you've had to take that you
[06:26.600 -> 06:29.360] don't always just bounce back straight away and it's not that easy that you're
[06:29.360 -> 06:34.600] just a resilient person who can take a knock and just carry on but now it's a
[06:34.600 -> 06:39.640] case more of you take that time to almost go through a grieving process
[06:39.640 -> 06:44.800] where you take the loss on board, take that step back and look at it from a
[06:44.800 -> 06:45.080] different perspective and I think that's the key thing I've learned is taking take the loss on board, take that step back and look at it from a different
[06:45.080 -> 06:47.780] perspective and I think that's the key thing I've learned is taking different
[06:47.780 -> 06:51.220] perspectives, taking a step back from the emotion and looking at things logically
[06:51.220 -> 06:54.960] and then just realizing that there's a bigger picture, there's more
[06:54.960 -> 06:58.480] opportunities, there's more angles you can approach things at and it's just I
[06:58.480 -> 07:02.280] find that ability to step back and look at it and take on board what other
[07:02.280 -> 07:05.600] people kind of suggest from a different angle as well.
[07:05.600 -> 07:09.640] So it's just not being that one individual who's in it.
[07:09.640 -> 07:11.480] You know, that old phrase,
[07:11.480 -> 07:14.000] you can't see the wood for the trees is pretty common,
[07:14.000 -> 07:16.140] particularly in sport, to be honest.
[07:16.140 -> 07:17.640] A lot of it's quite individualized.
[07:17.640 -> 07:20.700] I was reading something the other day and it said that
[07:20.700 -> 07:23.800] when you stumble across problems in life,
[07:23.800 -> 07:26.960] 90% of struggling with that problem
[07:26.960 -> 07:28.400] is the way you react to it.
[07:28.400 -> 07:31.080] 10% is actually only the problem itself.
[07:31.080 -> 07:33.840] And that's kind of just redressing this,
[07:33.840 -> 07:35.160] something that we talk about a lot,
[07:35.160 -> 07:38.620] which is fault against responsibility, not being a victim.
[07:38.620 -> 07:39.960] That's what this is about, isn't it?
[07:39.960 -> 07:42.560] It's about focusing on the 90%,
[07:42.560 -> 07:44.000] the reaction to the problem,
[07:44.000 -> 07:45.560] rather than quite often, the fact that the problem, rather than quite often the
[07:45.560 -> 07:50.000] fact that the problem itself is possible to get through it and get past it with the right
[07:50.000 -> 07:51.000] mindset.
[07:51.000 -> 07:52.000] Yeah.
[07:52.000 -> 07:57.600] And something I often realize is that the thought of doing something is far harder than
[07:57.600 -> 07:58.600] the actual doing as well.
[07:58.600 -> 08:01.600] So it's that initial step, which is the hardest.
[08:01.600 -> 08:04.840] And I find that every day, to be honest, in training where I get up in the morning, I
[08:04.840 -> 08:09.960] look at my training program and think, oh, not again, you know, it's hideous.
[08:09.960 -> 08:14.800] And the thought of actually getting up and doing it is just so hard. But if you find
[08:14.800 -> 08:20.000] a way to kind of create that mindset, that just takes helps you take that first step.
[08:20.000 -> 08:24.120] It's incredible once you get that momentum going, how much you can just play through
[08:24.120 -> 08:26.700] it. So I think that's where that 10% really comes from.
[08:26.700 -> 08:27.940] It's just finding that first step.
[08:27.940 -> 08:29.460] And it's almost as simple as that.
[08:29.460 -> 08:31.520] You take that first step and once you're on the journey,
[08:31.520 -> 08:34.060] then generally people don't stop.
[08:34.060 -> 08:35.580] So that's something I've had to train my mind
[08:35.580 -> 08:39.500] how to overcome and accept fear.
[08:39.500 -> 08:42.900] And just roll with it, to be honest,
[08:42.900 -> 08:48.080] because you realize that that's where the kind of, the good lie are at the end of that path once you actually do take those
[08:48.080 -> 08:51.680] steps into the unknown.
[08:51.680 -> 08:55.360] In many ways, Damien, I love these Bite Size episodes because it reminds us of the amazing
[08:55.360 -> 08:59.800] lessons and learnings that we've had over the past few years. I remember we were joined
[08:59.800 -> 09:04.320] by Jo Malone, and she said that when she'd recovered from her cancer diagnosis, the lessons
[09:04.320 -> 09:08.000] of that time slipped through her fingers like sand. I often think it's the
[09:08.000 -> 09:12.320] same with this podcast, just rewinding and hearing someone like Neil who
[09:12.320 -> 09:16.720] joined us years ago is a great reminder of the gold that was in that episode.
[09:16.720 -> 09:20.720] Yeah I mean I sometimes get people that approach me and say oh it'd be
[09:20.720 -> 09:24.440] great if you could get such-and-such a body on and you go they've already been
[09:24.440 -> 09:25.460] on and I think
[09:25.600 -> 09:30.400] You're right to have the chance to go back through the archive and find these gems
[09:30.600 -> 09:34.880] Is a as helpful for us as it is for hopefully for anyone listen to this
[09:34.960 -> 09:38.680] Well, let's talk then about the the research the psychology the science behind
[09:39.680 -> 09:42.600] Reframing. I think it's a really powerful one for our audience
[09:43.120 -> 09:45.720] Because there is sometimes this feeling that we're fixed
[09:45.720 -> 09:50.080] Our reaction is already predetermined the life that we live is is not down to us
[09:50.080 -> 09:54.480] It's down to the things that happen to us. But if Neil is able to reframe something as
[09:55.360 -> 10:01.680] Huge as losing his eyesight then surely we should all be able to reframe the things that happen to us on a weekly monthly
[10:01.680 -> 10:07.160] Or yearly basis, So I wonder why
[10:04.160 -> 10:09.240] we find it so difficult? Yeah it's a really
[10:07.160 -> 10:10.960] good question I think the answer is we
[10:09.240 -> 10:13.520] all develop what's known as mental
[10:10.960 -> 10:16.440] models or in psychology speak it's called
[10:13.520 -> 10:18.200] a heuristic and it's almost like a
[10:16.440 -> 10:20.480] reference point that we have a rule of
[10:18.200 -> 10:22.400] thumb for how we interpret the world to
[10:20.480 -> 10:24.120] be. So many of us are brought up with the
[10:22.400 -> 10:26.320] idea that if you work hard you get good
[10:24.120 -> 10:25.000] results so when they don't get the Mae'n dweud bod y byd yn y byd. Mae nifer ohonoch wedi'i ddod o hyd i'r syniad o fod os ydych chi'n gweithio'n fawr, y gynhyrchau'n dda.
[10:25.000 -> 10:29.000] Felly, pan nad ydyn nhw'n cael y canlyniadau y byddent amdanyn nhw, mae'n dweud, mae angen i mi weithio'n fawr.
[10:29.000 -> 10:32.000] Wel, mewn gwirionedd, gallai hynny fod yn ddiddorol.
[10:32.000 -> 10:38.000] Felly, rwy'n ei weld yn aml pan, os ydw i'n gweithio gyda'r coach sy'n mynd i mewn i'r cyfnod lle maen nhw'n cael llawer o ddewisau'n dau,
[10:38.000 -> 10:41.000] ac maen nhw'n dweud, byddwn i'n cael y chwaraewyr ar y gynhyrch, ac yna byddwn i'n gweithio'n fawr.
[10:41.000 -> 10:43.000] Ac weithiau, mae angen i chi ddweud at nhw a'u hymdrechu,
[10:43.000 -> 10:46.000] wel, beth rydych chi'n ei wneud ddim yn gweithio, felly efallai y mae angen i chi weithio'n fawid i chi ddifrifio'r cyfleoedd a dweud, well, dyma beth rydych chi'n ei wneud, nid yw'n gweithio, felly efallai y mae'n rhaid i chi gweithio yn fwy smart.
[10:46.000 -> 10:48.000] Dyna ffordd arall i gael pobl
[10:48.000 -> 10:50.000] i ddifrifio'r cyfleoedd
[10:50.000 -> 10:52.000] y maen nhw'n cael. Felly, rwy'n meddwl am rhywun fel Neil,
[10:52.000 -> 10:54.000] a ddechrau
[10:54.000 -> 10:56.000] ddod o'i gyd, ac yna
[10:56.000 -> 10:58.000] y rhan cyntaf ar y cyfrifiad yw
[10:58.000 -> 11:00.000] bod yn sprinter, ac yna ddifrifio'r cyfleoedd
[11:00.000 -> 11:02.000] a dweud, efallai, na fyddwn yn gael gyfathrebu
[11:02.000 -> 11:04.000] i gyrraedd 100 metr yn amser record byd,
[11:04.000 -> 11:08.200] ond gallwn ei ddifrifio i'r byc, ac yn mynd i ddod o'r bwyd and said maybe I don't have the power to run a hundred meters in a world record time but I can translate that onto a bike and suddenly start to make a
[11:08.200 -> 11:13.560] significant difference. His whole ability to interpret both his disability as
[11:13.560 -> 11:19.680] something that he can overcome has been carried out and the ripples of it have
[11:19.680 -> 11:23.260] existed throughout his whole career. And I really hope that for you listening to
[11:23.260 -> 11:27.200] this you can think of things in your life where actually your reaction to it
[11:27.200 -> 11:31.000] is the determining factor not the thing that has happened. You know all of us
[11:31.000 -> 11:34.760] have got through COVID together right? COVID wasn't your fault but it was still
[11:34.760 -> 11:38.520] your responsibility to deal with COVID and actually this conversation about
[11:38.520 -> 11:42.600] fault versus responsibility plays nicely into this. It's not Neil's fault that he
[11:42.600 -> 11:49.160] lost his eyesight. Sometimes it's a hard truth to hear that it's still your responsibility. So, if you're carrying a trauma
[11:49.160 -> 11:53.640] from your childhood, not your fault, but still your responsibility. If a partner has walked
[11:53.640 -> 11:59.360] out on you, not your fault, still your responsibility to deal with it. If you get a medical diagnosis
[11:59.360 -> 12:04.480] that you're not expecting, not your fault, but still your responsibility. It's a difficult
[12:04.480 -> 12:07.820] one for people, Damien, because I think once we accept that we're taking
[12:08.620 -> 12:12.860] 100% responsibility for things it leaves us no excuses. It leaves us nowhere to go
[12:13.500 -> 12:15.060] but actually
[12:15.060 -> 12:16.300] removing
[12:16.300 -> 12:18.220] the excuses
[12:18.220 -> 12:19.900] Brings the learning
[12:19.900 -> 12:24.660] Definitely. So one of the key messages that so many of our guests tell us is about
[12:25.000 -> 12:28.000] Yn gyntaf, un o'r gwybodaethau pwysig y mae nifer o'n gwestiynau yn ei ddweud yw yw'n ymwneud â'r ymdrechion yn hytrach na'r ymdrechion.
[12:28.000 -> 12:30.000] Felly, yn hytrach na'n gweithio ein amser a'n energia,
[12:30.000 -> 12:32.000] yn edrych ar y pwynt y ffyngwr o'r gwirionedd,
[12:32.000 -> 12:34.000] a'n gweithio ar ymdrechion,
[12:34.000 -> 12:37.000] a'r pwynt a allaf fy mod i'n ymdrech arnynt,
[12:37.000 -> 12:40.000] weithiau dim ond yn agos bod yn fy nifer o gwybodaethau,
[12:40.000 -> 12:42.000] ond yn fy ymdrech.
[12:42.000 -> 12:44.000] Mae'n rhoi un o'r pwyllgorau pwysig
[12:44.000 -> 12:46.000] o ddangos cyfleu cyflogoldeb. Mae'n rhoi un o'r pilarau pwysig o ffurfiod cyhoeddian
[12:46.000 -> 12:48.000] sy'n ymwneud â'r autonomiaeth,
[12:48.000 -> 12:50.000] y gallu i teimlo ein bod yn cael
[12:50.000 -> 12:52.000] rhan o'r control ar gyfer bywyd
[12:52.000 -> 12:54.000] a sut ydyn ni'n ymdrech arno.
[12:54.000 -> 12:56.000] Felly os ydych chi'n deimlo'r cyfnod cyffredin, Jake,
[12:56.000 -> 12:58.000] pan fydd pobl yn chwarae'r loteri,
[12:58.000 -> 13:00.000] byddwch chi'n chwarae'r gêm
[13:00.000 -> 13:02.000] o sianciau byth yn ychydig.
[13:02.000 -> 13:04.000] Ond mae 90% o'r bobl sy'n chwarae'r loteri
[13:04.000 -> 13:06.160] yn chwarae'r un nifer bob wythnos
[13:06.160 -> 13:10.560] ac maen nhw'n ei ddod o'r cyfeirin i bethau fel bod yn rhan bwysig neu bod y niferau hwn yn
[13:10.560 -> 13:17.360] anodd iawn ac yr hyn y maen nhw'n gwneud yw ddangos i chi sut mae pwysoedd gallan ddewis yn hyn
[13:17.360 -> 13:21.920] ac yn rhoi sylwadau i bobl o autonomiaeth a chyfathrebu ar y sefyllfa.
[13:21.920 -> 13:27.160] Rydyn ni'n ein hymygol, efallai mewn sefyllfa lle dydyn ni ddim yn ei chyfathrebu, Control over a situation we convince ourselves even in a situation where we don't control it. We create an illusion of control
[13:27.400 -> 13:31.640] So when we can learn to do it in life in general and cut out
[13:31.840 -> 13:37.580] The irrelevant stuff to the stuff that actually we do have a real sense of influence over that
[13:37.840 -> 13:41.040] Makes us feel more powerful and when we feel more powerful
[13:41.100 -> 13:44.080] We feel that we're able to give our very best in every situation
[13:44.040 -> 13:44.720] We feel more powerful. We feel that we're able to give our very best in every situation
[13:46.720 -> 13:51.020] Really good stuff and I would just encourage you Listen to this to think of all the things going on in your life at the moment and think actually
[13:51.160 -> 13:57.960] The things that are bringing you stress or challenge or worry or fear how much of that stress worry challenge and fear is
[13:58.400 -> 14:02.660] The thing itself and how much of it is your reaction? What was the
[14:03.280 -> 14:06.240] Brilliant equation that Jana concert came up with?
[14:06.240 -> 14:06.840] Oh, yeah
[14:06.840 -> 14:14.880] So Joe concert came up with this in conjunction with one Cotto her coach who said that struggle times resistance
[14:15.920 -> 14:17.440] equals pain
[14:17.440 -> 14:30.200] So she said that she found herself that when she might be struggling in a game to get into it and she'd fight that and convince herself I shouldn't be out finding this as others as it feels the pain tended to be huge
[14:30.460 -> 14:37.160] So when she learned that if she just reduced resistance to zero and instead embrace acceptance
[14:37.380 -> 14:42.640] It meant that the struggle the pain that she was going through became so much more manageable
[14:42.680 -> 14:45.360] There you go. How much of the things that worry you is
[14:45.880 -> 14:48.240] You railing against the things that are happening?
[14:48.240 -> 14:52.880] I can't tell you enough how powerful it is for you to understand the difference between fault and
[14:53.160 -> 14:57.320] Responsibility and for you to realize that life is how you react to the things that happen
[14:57.480 -> 15:01.480] Not just the things that happen if you want to hear the full conversation with Neil Fasci
[15:01.480 -> 15:04.280] It's episode 50 of the high-performance podcast
[15:04.360 -> 15:08.400] But I just hope that that is a really good example for you that lessons and learnings
[15:08.400 -> 15:12.960] and understanding and growth lies in every episode of this podcast.
[15:12.960 -> 15:16.520] So have a look through the back catalogue, see what you can find, and we will see you
[15:16.520 -> 15:26.000] very soon for another episode of High Performance. ♪♪ ♪♪
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