Josh Warrington on the mindset of a champion - Handpicked

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[02:13.040 -> 02:16.880] Hey there, welcome along to another Friday episode of the High Performance Podcast. Look,
[02:16.880 -> 02:21.040] we know that you can't always spare an hour or an hour and 20 minutes to listen to a full episode,
[02:21.040 -> 02:27.300] so we like to just bring you shorter episodes on Fridays just to give you a little hit of high performance ahead of the weekend and
[02:27.300 -> 02:30.380] someone who might need a hit of high performance ahead of this weekend is
[02:30.380 -> 02:35.500] Josh Warrington and I'm here with Professor Damien Hughes because you're
[02:35.500 -> 02:39.540] gonna take us back to an old episode and we're gonna relive a few moments and
[02:39.540 -> 02:43.420] relearn a few lessons and it just so happens to be a man who has a really big
[02:43.420 -> 02:49.840] weekend coming up. Yeah I love this series Jake where we go back into the archive and pick out some of our favorites and
[02:49.840 -> 02:55.360] one that stands out for me was when we met the brilliant Josh Warrington. So he's from Leeds but
[02:55.360 -> 02:59.920] he came over to Manchester to sit down with us and share something of his journey. He's a real
[02:59.920 -> 03:08.620] anomaly in the fight game. He was a dental technician while he was also studying at university and also pursuing his career as a professional fighter so
[03:08.620 -> 03:12.380] he's a guy that's had a full agenda but he's made the most out of every
[03:12.380 -> 03:16.060] opportunity that he's had and when we sat down with him I just thought he was
[03:16.060 -> 03:19.840] so rich in his stories and the lessons that he taught.
[03:19.840 -> 03:21.340] What should we have first?
[03:21.340 -> 03:25.600] Well given that he's fighting Lee Wood tomorrow night, that's going to be a
[03:25.600 -> 03:27.400] seminal moment for all fighters.
[03:27.400 -> 03:30.800] And there's that great saying that a fight is never won in the dressing room,
[03:30.800 -> 03:32.000] but it can be lost.
[03:32.400 -> 03:36.600] And we spoke to Josh around how he handles those moments before he has to
[03:36.600 -> 03:40.800] step out under the bright lights, how he keeps his confidence and his nerves
[03:40.800 -> 03:43.900] in check to be able to go out there and deliver a performance.
[03:43.900 -> 03:47.120] And the way he explained to us that process
[03:47.120 -> 03:50.280] was really rich for any of us that are ever finding ourselves
[03:50.280 -> 03:51.820] in a pressured situation,
[03:51.820 -> 03:54.280] how we can control our thoughts more effectively.
[03:54.280 -> 03:55.640] Let's have a listen to him.
[03:57.440 -> 03:59.440] How did you go through that process of learning
[03:59.440 -> 04:01.280] to control those nerves,
[04:01.280 -> 04:04.900] to be able to be ice cold in your execution?
[04:04.720 -> 04:05.600] control those nerves to be able to be ice cold in your execution?
[04:15.720 -> 04:16.100] Trying to jog my memory back from a kid, you know, you take bits of confidence from having victories in the ring.
[04:25.600 -> 04:26.400] You take bits of confidence when you're sparring and you're working alongside people who are better than you as a younger lad. So my dad never wanted me to just
[04:32.160 -> 04:36.560] go in and spar with lads my own size and weight, beat them up and then yeah give me a pound back. You know, he'd always find reason or room to criticise and I always wanted to make sure,
[04:36.560 -> 04:40.960] I wanted praise off my dad, I didn't want him to say, okay well done that lad, but he always wanted
[04:40.960 -> 04:45.000] to push me as well. So I'm not sparring lads my own way.
[04:45.000 -> 04:47.000] I'm sparring lads that are heavier than me, more experienced than me.
[04:47.000 -> 04:49.000] And I'm having hard, hard nights.
[04:49.000 -> 04:55.000] But then when it comes to the fight, that's where his bit of mastermind
[04:55.000 -> 05:00.000] as a fucking psychologist, as my dad, and as a trainer worked.
[05:00.000 -> 05:03.000] He used to say to me walking to the ring, he said,
[05:03.000 -> 05:06.000] this lad's not been mixed in the same company as what you've mixed in.
[05:06.000 -> 05:08.000] You've been mixed in with pros,
[05:08.000 -> 05:11.000] you've been sparring with lads who are national champions.
[05:11.000 -> 05:12.000] What has this lad done?
[05:12.000 -> 05:13.000] He's not even got to our level.
[05:13.000 -> 05:15.000] And you're thinking, he ain't been at the same level,
[05:15.000 -> 05:17.000] he ain't put the same kind of work in.
[05:17.000 -> 05:20.000] I've been coming on from school, I've been coming on from work
[05:20.000 -> 05:21.000] and going straight to the gym.
[05:21.000 -> 05:23.000] I've been doing that before going to...
[05:23.000 -> 05:27.600] He ain't been to where I've been and all of a sudden you start adding that
[05:27.600 -> 05:29.400] and then you get win, then another win,
[05:29.400 -> 05:30.920] then another win and that keeps on building
[05:30.920 -> 05:32.040] and keeps on building.
[05:33.960 -> 05:35.800] That kind of idea of grounding yourself
[05:35.800 -> 05:38.600] in those really huge moments is probably vital.
[05:38.600 -> 05:39.880] You talk a lot about the difference
[05:39.880 -> 05:41.640] between the red brain and the blue brain.
[05:41.640 -> 05:43.560] The red brain takes over and causes problems
[05:43.560 -> 05:46.400] and the blue brain is the smart part of your brain.
[05:46.400 -> 05:47.480] Is that really what he's doing there?
[05:47.480 -> 05:50.480] He's trying to stay in that sort of blue brain thinking.
[05:50.480 -> 05:52.280] Yeah, so to build his confidence,
[05:52.280 -> 05:54.440] he's almost reminded himself of the hard work,
[05:54.440 -> 05:55.800] the sacrifices that he's done,
[05:55.800 -> 05:58.760] rather than allow himself to focus on what he can't do
[05:58.760 -> 06:01.440] or what the gaps in his knowledge might be.
[06:01.440 -> 06:04.360] He's focused on the solid foundations
[06:04.360 -> 06:05.120] that he's binging into
[06:05.120 -> 06:06.120] the ring.
[06:06.120 -> 06:10.840] Is there also something in that though that he, by reminding himself of all the hard work
[06:10.840 -> 06:15.560] that he's done and the journey he's taken to get to this point, it just adds a layer
[06:15.560 -> 06:19.600] of confidence and a reminder that, you know, the imposter syndrome might be there, the
[06:19.600 -> 06:23.400] fear and the doubt might be there, but he and anyone else that is in that position has
[06:23.400 -> 06:35.600] earned the right to be there? Yeah, well that reminds me of another clip that I want to play where he speaks very much around taking responsibility for his preparation and his performance as a fighter.
[06:35.600 -> 06:38.200] Let's listen to him explain that in more detail.
[06:39.900 -> 06:48.000] As a kid growing up in Leeds on a council estate, it's easy to get fought. You know, it's easy to fall into what everyone else is doing.
[06:48.000 -> 06:50.640] So what everyone else was doing on our estate
[06:50.640 -> 06:54.240] were nicking cars, sniffing glue,
[06:54.240 -> 06:56.720] smoking, whatever, drinking on a Friday night.
[06:56.720 -> 06:58.480] And why do you not want to do that?
[06:58.480 -> 06:59.520] Everyone else is doing it.
[06:59.520 -> 07:01.400] You know, it's the same thing.
[07:01.400 -> 07:03.000] Why do you want to spend your time three times a week
[07:03.000 -> 07:04.920] going to a boxing gym?
[07:04.920 -> 07:07.600] Well, why don't you go play football with everyone else?
[07:07.600 -> 07:10.000] As much as I would like to have played football,
[07:10.000 -> 07:11.640] I just didn't have the talent.
[07:13.040 -> 07:17.240] Walked into a boxing gym and, you know, played it.
[07:17.240 -> 07:18.760] Just an energetic kid.
[07:18.760 -> 07:20.360] How old were you when you were first?
[07:20.360 -> 07:21.400] Seven years old.
[07:21.400 -> 07:23.200] And the old fellow used to turn around and say to me,
[07:23.200 -> 07:25.600] listen, don't waste time.
[07:25.800 -> 07:29.080] You're wasting my time for me taking you to the gym.
[07:29.440 -> 07:32.480] He said, you're wasting the people who are looking after you in the gym.
[07:32.840 -> 07:33.840] You're wasting their time.
[07:33.840 -> 07:35.840] He said, if you're going to do it, don't do it.
[07:36.440 -> 07:39.400] If you want to go and play with your mates, go fucking go play with your mates.
[07:39.400 -> 07:43.360] You can't come downstairs and say to me, Dad, I want to go to gym tonight
[07:43.600 -> 07:44.920] and then not want to go two days later.
[07:44.920 -> 07:46.880] He said, you either do it or you don't do it.
[07:47.240 -> 07:50.360] You know, you're wasting everyone's time and you're wasting your own time, most
[07:50.360 -> 07:53.400] importantly, and instantly atone with that.
[07:53.400 -> 08:00.120] It didn't take much for me to, you know, I have to be told again, if I was going to be a
[08:00.120 -> 08:01.960] boxer, then I was going to be a boxer.
[08:02.360 -> 08:05.000] So from, like, I think you said that about eight years old and I've been playing for about two years, but that would it, I would was going to be a boxer. So from, I think you said that
[08:05.000 -> 08:08.400] about eight years old and I've been playing for about two years, but that was it.
[08:08.400 -> 08:12.720] I was dedicated to it then, you know. When I was getting into a teenage lad,
[08:12.720 -> 08:16.800] hanging about with my mates, yeah they'd be having a drink and going to house parties on
[08:16.800 -> 08:20.680] Friday night, but instead of me having a drink, I'd take a bottle of water with me, I'd take a
[08:20.680 -> 08:24.960] bottle of Luxur, instead of getting the bus home, you know, bus three miles home, I'd jog
[08:24.960 -> 08:26.100] home instead. And that was just miles home, I jog home instead.
[08:26.100 -> 08:27.700] And that was just my mentality.
[08:27.700 -> 08:31.400] I didn't want to be wasting anyone else's time.
[08:31.400 -> 08:34.680] Powerful, that isn't it?
[08:34.680 -> 08:39.500] Well, really powerful because how often have we heard that saying that excuses remove the
[08:39.500 -> 08:44.680] learning and what Josh is saying there is that he has to take complete accountability
[08:44.680 -> 08:45.960] for what he does in the shadows
[08:46.280 -> 08:49.980] Always emerges under the bright lights and that's what he's saying
[08:49.980 -> 08:55.960] If he's if he's taken a shortcut doesn't matter if anyone's allowed that to happen or they've turned a blind eye to it
[08:56.040 -> 08:58.920] He's the one that's going to have to live with the consequences of it
[08:58.920 -> 09:05.540] So I think understanding that again builds his confidence that he knows that he's not
[09:05.540 -> 09:11.160] taken a shortcut, he's not done a misstep, he's not tried to take the easy route, so
[09:11.160 -> 09:15.660] that when it gets tough in the fight, he knows that he's got the capacity to go to those
[09:15.660 -> 09:16.660] dark places.
[09:16.660 -> 09:20.900] And I think all of us can learn a little bit from not going to that place of blame and
[09:20.900 -> 09:24.980] fault and, you know, using excuses, which does remove the learning you're right, which
[09:24.980 -> 09:27.940] also is us relinquishing control. Anything else you'd
[09:27.940 -> 09:32.720] like to share? I think one of the most powerful extracts from any of our 200
[09:32.720 -> 09:36.880] plus episodes Jake has been the conversation Josh shared with us about
[09:36.880 -> 09:49.000] the power of friendships. As a young lad I can can find countless scenarios where I was thinking I can't do this no more.
[09:49.000 -> 09:53.000] At one point I was studying at Leeds University.
[09:53.000 -> 09:58.000] Anyone who studies at university knows those 3,000 word assignments,
[09:58.000 -> 10:01.000] especially when it's on teeth and the mandible.
[10:01.000 -> 10:04.000] It's not the most exciting thing. You go into lectures and you're listening to teeth
[10:04.000 -> 10:05.840] and the structure of a tooth and the root and that.
[10:06.960 -> 10:09.880] I mean, you could fall asleep just me saying, talking about that.
[10:10.360 -> 10:17.320] Doing that, working four days a week, nine to five, sometimes ten to six, training every day.
[10:17.880 -> 10:20.760] And also trying to promote myself as a boxer.
[10:20.960 -> 10:25.040] So going out selling tickets, going out out telling people to follow my journey,
[10:25.040 -> 10:30.480] going to pubs all around Leeds saying, listen, do you like boxing? Do you remember watching
[10:31.120 -> 10:34.880] Nigel Benn, Chris Shoebank? Well, listen, that's what I'm trying to do for Leeds now,
[10:34.880 -> 10:39.440] you know, bring Leeds a bit of glory. I know his football team is not great, but follow my journey,
[10:39.440 -> 10:46.840] mate, and we'll have some good times along the way. Trying to do that on times when I should have been really spending it with pals,
[10:46.840 -> 10:48.880] should have been spending it with Natasha.
[10:48.880 -> 10:51.640] Going to work, knackered.
[10:51.640 -> 10:53.880] Going to gym, knackered.
[10:53.880 -> 10:56.480] Going to university, falling asleep.
[10:56.480 -> 10:58.400] But thinking to myself, it'll all be worth it,
[10:58.400 -> 11:00.720] it'll all be worth it, it'll all be worth it in the end.
[11:00.720 -> 11:02.040] I remember going to drop some tickets off
[11:02.040 -> 11:03.080] to one of my pals,
[11:04.000 -> 11:05.760] and I picked him up, and everyone was going to drop some tickets off to one of my pals and I picked him up
[11:05.760 -> 11:11.440] and everyone was going to this party on the weekend coming and I remember saying to him
[11:11.440 -> 11:16.240] he must be buzzing for this party, I've got to, I can't go, I've got to, I can't go
[11:16.240 -> 11:18.640] he went oh yeah you'll be training won't you, getting ready for your fight
[11:18.640 -> 11:22.400] he says yeah yeah how's it going I said yeah yeah I'm just a bit tired, I'm a bit
[11:22.400 -> 11:26.800] tired and he looked and he said mate, don't fucking worry about this party, he said.
[11:26.800 -> 11:28.280] Same old, innit?
[11:28.280 -> 11:30.120] Same old, I said, yeah, I know,
[11:30.120 -> 11:31.560] but everyone's gonna be there now.
[11:31.560 -> 11:33.520] I just wish I was going.
[11:33.520 -> 11:37.540] And I think he just said to me, listen, same old,
[11:37.540 -> 11:40.500] we've been doing the same thing since we were 18.
[11:40.500 -> 11:42.920] For three years, we've been going to the same places,
[11:42.920 -> 11:44.720] same people, doing the same thing,
[11:44.720 -> 11:46.520] getting pissed, having a hangover.
[11:46.520 -> 11:48.400] He says, it's fucking boring.
[11:48.400 -> 11:50.960] So let me tell you now from my point of view,
[11:50.960 -> 11:54.400] any one of us, what looks at you and thinks,
[11:54.400 -> 11:55.520] how does he do it?
[11:55.520 -> 11:58.280] And we all look at you and think, wow,
[11:58.280 -> 11:59.160] we could be in our shoes.
[11:59.160 -> 12:00.000] You know what?
[12:00.000 -> 12:01.840] I wish I'd have not got into this drinking
[12:01.840 -> 12:04.600] and carried on with my contract with Yorkshire Hammers
[12:04.600 -> 12:05.520] as a footballer, because who knows, I could have been got into this drinking and carried on my contracts with Yorkshire Hammers as a footballer.
[12:05.520 -> 12:07.360] Cause who knows I could have been somewhere
[12:07.360 -> 12:08.320] where you are now.
[12:09.400 -> 12:10.920] Fucking hell, it would have kick up the ass
[12:10.920 -> 12:13.020] what I needed just at that moment in time.
[12:15.800 -> 12:17.480] I remember, you know what, I hear that back now
[12:17.480 -> 12:21.320] and I remember how I felt listening to him talk like that.
[12:21.320 -> 12:23.280] We both actually were buzzing at the end of that episode
[12:23.280 -> 12:29.640] cause it felt like we were talking to a boxer but there were just so many brilliant relevant lessons and
[12:29.640 -> 12:31.560] stories that we could all take into our lives.
[12:31.560 -> 12:36.800] Yeah, it reminded me of that scene you know from the film Good Will Hunting when Matt
[12:36.800 -> 12:40.080] Damon's character has a conversation with Ben Affleck and Ben Affleck says if you're
[12:40.080 -> 12:46.840] still here in 20 years time I'll be furious at you, you've got such rich
[12:44.080 -> 12:48.720] potential, don't squander it and there's
[12:46.840 -> 12:52.160] almost a filmic quality to the way Josh
[12:48.720 -> 12:54.880] told that story and I took away from it
[12:52.160 -> 12:56.320] that we can all be the Josh character in
[12:54.880 -> 12:58.040] that, somebody that's going after our
[12:56.320 -> 13:00.240] goals and needs a friend but we can also
[12:58.040 -> 13:02.440] be his friend as well and encourage
[13:00.240 -> 13:04.480] other people that are going after their
[13:02.440 -> 13:06.480] dreams and aspirations and just let them
[13:04.480 -> 13:07.880] know that we recognize it and we admire them for what they're doing.
[13:07.880 -> 13:11.920] Great, listen mate, thank you so much for sharing that archive episode from High
[13:11.920 -> 13:15.560] Performance with us. No, it's been a pleasure Jake, I love doing this one
[13:15.560 -> 13:20.000] because like I say, Joe Malone told us once that you can learn all these
[13:20.000 -> 13:23.200] lessons and then sometimes they slip through your fingers like sand and I
[13:23.200 -> 13:29.000] think when we go through this we just remind ourselves of some of these powerful kernels of truth that
[13:29.000 -> 13:30.600] we've been lucky enough to witness.
[13:30.600 -> 13:35.320] And we're recording this 24 hours before Josh goes back to the ring so obviously we both
[13:35.320 -> 13:36.600] wish him the best of luck.
[13:36.600 -> 13:48.960] Yeah definitely I feel like I'm in his corner and I wish him all the very best. list.
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