E96 - Happy Place Podcast Collaboration

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[00:00.000 -> 00:06.500] So welcome to the final episode of 2021 from the high-performance podcast and it's going to be a little bit different today because
[00:07.080 -> 00:12.700] Damien and myself are going to be having a conversation with the host of the happy place podcast fern cotton
[00:12.820 -> 00:19.700] Fern and I go back a long way. We worked on kids TV over 20 years ago since then she's gone on to create an incredible
[00:20.220 -> 00:48.000] platform and a community where it's really asking questions and really challenging people to think about life in a slightly different way and mae'n cael hapus
[00:48.000 -> 00:51.000] yn ymdrech i bobl sy'n siarad am cael cyfrif fawr,
[00:51.000 -> 00:56.000] cael y mhrofion yno ar y moment a byddwch yn ymwneud â bywyd ar eich cyfrifau.
[00:56.000 -> 00:58.000] Felly rwy'n hoff iais clywed podcast Ffern,
[00:58.000 -> 01:03.000] ac rwy'n wirioneddol oedol i gael amser i ddweud o'i gynllunio'r effaith o'i gynllunio.
[01:03.000 -> 01:04.000] Briliant.
[01:04.000 -> 01:08.320] Yn y pwrpas gynhwysol y cyfrif fawr, a gallwch ei gael ar gyfer y podcast cyfrif fawr, to spend some time hearing her explain the impacts of it. Brilliant. This special episode of High Performance, which you can find both on the High Performance
[01:08.320 -> 01:12.880] podcast and you can also listen to it on Happy Place as well, comes next.
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[03:34.000 -> 03:37.840] Hey Fern! Oh, Jakie, Damien, what a joy this is! You know what, this is the perfect, in my eyes, the perfect way to end 2021. I haven't seen enough of you anyway in the last two years with the
[03:37.840 -> 03:43.360] pandemic, so it's nice to get together. You did get to my house this year, which was so lovely
[03:43.360 -> 03:48.440] to have you drinking tea in the kitchen, that was a and I agree look I don't like New Year's Eve
[03:48.440 -> 03:52.280] parties so this is my kind of thing having a chat and then having a little
[03:52.280 -> 03:56.640] nap afterwards wonderful. Nice what are you like on New Year's Eve Damien?
[03:56.640 -> 04:01.920] Exactly like Fern I'm early to bed and wake up the next morning feeling fresh.
[04:01.920 -> 04:08.400] Love it now I guess there's some people thinking what is going on here why are Happy Place and High Performance
[04:08.400 -> 04:12.480] talking to each other why have two very very different worlds maybe slightly
[04:12.480 -> 04:15.920] different worlds collided we just thought this was a good idea didn't we
[04:15.920 -> 04:20.240] Fern to get together and talk about the work each other have done and introduce
[04:20.240 -> 04:24.320] your audience to ours and our audience to yours. Yeah I think although sometimes
[04:24.320 -> 04:25.760] sort of thematically
[04:25.760 -> 04:29.440] our work might be different, there's so much crossover.
[04:29.440 -> 04:31.400] Although you might be talking to, not always,
[04:31.400 -> 04:33.080] but often sports personalities,
[04:33.080 -> 04:34.560] and I might be talking to,
[04:34.560 -> 04:36.840] it could be a Buddhist monk one week
[04:36.840 -> 04:38.760] and then someone in the public eye the next.
[04:38.760 -> 04:39.880] We're actually talking,
[04:39.880 -> 04:41.200] we're coming from the same place.
[04:41.200 -> 04:42.760] We want to understand people better.
[04:42.760 -> 04:47.600] We want to, you know, get under the layers of someone's life to see what's really lurking and to have a greater understanding of it Ond rydyn ni'n dod o'r un le. Rydyn ni eisiau deall pobl yn well. Rydyn ni eisiau dod o'r ffyrdd o fywydau pobl i weld beth sy'n wirioneddol yn mynd o'r iaith
[04:47.600 -> 04:50.400] ac i gael deall o'r peth yna i ddysgu.
[04:50.400 -> 04:52.480] Dyna'r lle rydyn ni'n dod o'r un le.
[04:52.480 -> 04:57.640] Felly mae'n ddiolchgar iawn i ni ymdrechu i'r archifau o'r 12 mlynedd diwethaf
[04:57.640 -> 04:59.040] a gweld beth rydym wedi'i gilydd.
[04:59.040 -> 05:01.480] Ac rydyn ni'n chiwtio'n fawr iawn amdano.
[05:01.480 -> 05:03.560] Iawn, rwy'n credu y byddwch chi'n gwneud yn dda iawn, Fferm,
[05:03.560 -> 05:04.880] os gallaf ymdrechu yno,
[05:04.880 -> 05:07.120] yw bod y cysylltiad gyda Jake ac rydyn i'n siarad amdano
[05:07.120 -> 05:08.880] yw nad ydyn ni'n ymweld â phobl chwaraewyr,
[05:08.880 -> 05:11.280] rydym yn ymweld â phobl sy'n gweithio mewn chwarae.
[05:11.280 -> 05:12.560] Ac rwy'n credu
[05:12.560 -> 05:13.400] mae hynny'n ddiddorol iawn
[05:13.400 -> 05:15.760] y gallech chi ddod i'r ôl i'r ffyrdd hwnnw
[05:15.760 -> 05:17.680] ac yn rhydw i'r diwydiant,
[05:17.680 -> 05:19.360] rydych chi'n dweud wrthym y person
[05:19.360 -> 05:20.880] a'r heriau y maen nhw'n ei wneud,
[05:20.880 -> 05:22.880] felly rwy'n edrych arnof i hynny.
[05:22.880 -> 05:23.920] Ie, i mi hefyd.
[05:23.920 -> 05:26.320] Rwy'n meddwl eich bod chi'n yr un o'r ffordd i gysylltu â'r ffordd y byddwch chi'n ymweld â'i gilydd. that they're doing so I'm really looking forward to it. Yeah me too, I mean I imagine you're the same
[05:26.320 -> 05:29.020] from listening to how you both interview.
[05:29.020 -> 05:32.840] I'm much less interested about what someone's,
[05:32.840 -> 05:34.000] what project they've just done
[05:34.000 -> 05:35.160] or what they've just achieved.
[05:35.160 -> 05:37.000] I really wanna know all the feelings
[05:37.000 -> 05:38.840] and sometimes the really ugly feelings
[05:38.840 -> 05:39.920] they have in everyday life
[05:39.920 -> 05:42.200] because I quite like busting that myth
[05:42.200 -> 05:44.500] that whether it's people in the public eye or not
[05:44.500 -> 05:46.760] but people who have done big things,
[05:46.760 -> 05:49.080] achieved success, whatever it might be,
[05:49.080 -> 05:52.720] are somehow immune to the more challenging parts of life,
[05:52.720 -> 05:54.120] which we know is not true.
[05:54.120 -> 05:55.840] So I enjoy busting that myth,
[05:55.840 -> 05:57.520] and I know you guys do as well.
[05:57.520 -> 05:58.680] And I'm really hoping, Fern,
[05:58.680 -> 06:02.040] that high-performance listeners uncover the magic
[06:02.040 -> 06:03.640] that you bring them on Happy Place.
[06:03.640 -> 06:07.400] I really hope so, because, you know, as we've said,
[06:07.400 -> 06:09.520] I have the same sort of goals as you.
[06:09.520 -> 06:13.240] So I think if your beautiful fan base love your work,
[06:13.240 -> 06:15.540] hopefully if they pop over to Happy Place,
[06:15.540 -> 06:19.220] they'll feel equally as comfortable and as at home.
[06:19.220 -> 06:22.760] And for anyone listening on the high performance platform
[06:22.760 -> 06:24.700] who doesn't know what Happy Place is,
[06:24.700 -> 06:25.520] I basically started it Place is. I basically
[06:25.520 -> 06:29.840] started it by accident. I wrote a book called Happy, which was predominantly about depression,
[06:29.840 -> 06:35.600] and that led to me having some very interesting conversations with people from Stephen Fry to
[06:36.640 -> 06:40.720] Jada Pinkett Smith and everyone in between. And that's what I continue to do every week.
[06:40.720 -> 06:43.120] So if you are new to Happy Place, welcome, welcome.
[06:43.120 -> 06:43.360] Paul Matthews
[06:43.360 -> 06:45.000] Love it. So I think, should we just play some clips from each other's pods and talk about them? Damien Hicks Yeah. a rhaid i chi ddweud y rhai pethau y byddwn ni'n eu cymryd ar y cyfan. Felly os ydych chi'n newydd i Happy Place, welcome, welcome.
[06:45.000 -> 06:46.000] Llo.
[06:46.000 -> 06:49.000] Felly, rhaid i ni chwarae rhai clipau o'r podau unwaith a siarad amdanyn nhw?
[06:49.000 -> 06:50.000] Ie.
[06:50.000 -> 06:52.000] Dymu, efallai i chi,
[06:52.000 -> 06:54.000] fel professor, fel brifysgol o'r gwaith,
[06:54.000 -> 06:57.000] efallai y dylech chi ddewis y cyfnod cyntaf o'r cynghorau fyny
[06:57.000 -> 07:00.000] ac yna byddwn ni'n mynd i'r ffwrdd i un o'r clipau hapus, efallai.
[07:00.000 -> 07:03.000] Wel, y cyntaf y byddwn ni'n mynd i'w clywed
[07:03.000 -> 07:25.520] yw'r cyntaf sydd wedi cymryd gynhyrchiad fawr ar llawer o'r clywadu ei fod wedi'i ddysgu yw'r un sydd wedi cael eithaf ffyrdd o effaith ar lawer o ddysgwyr ac yn ymdrechu'r rhai eraill, a oedd ymgyrch 2003 o Lloegr, Lloegr, Lloegr, Lloegr, Lloegr, Lloegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr, Loegr talking about sport, we're talking about people that just happen to have worked in that industry.
[07:26.720 -> 07:32.880] I had a chat with a triathlete, he was saying to me, you know, I've made an analogy that about
[07:32.880 -> 07:36.480] how when I was younger I'd be like, oh, you know, playing a World Cup final, that's important. And
[07:36.480 -> 07:40.480] now, you know, the idea about doing the washing up would have been like, don't you dare. And now
[07:40.480 -> 07:43.280] I'm like, I love doing the washing up. And he couldn't believe it. It's like, it's rubbish.
[07:43.280 -> 07:45.280] I said, well, what is it you love about?
[07:45.280 -> 07:48.800] What does define being a triathlete to me?
[07:48.800 -> 07:50.480] And he was saying about doing the run
[07:50.480 -> 07:52.000] and then the swim and then the cycle, whatever.
[07:52.000 -> 07:53.920] I said, okay, right now break that down for me.
[07:53.920 -> 07:54.760] What are you doing?
[07:54.760 -> 07:57.600] Well, I'm moving my body to get to a goal.
[07:57.600 -> 07:58.440] I said, right, what are you doing
[07:58.440 -> 08:00.240] when you're doing the washing up?
[08:00.240 -> 08:01.840] Moving my body to get to a goal.
[08:03.120 -> 08:04.600] So why is one good and one's bad?
[08:04.600 -> 08:11.720] Why? Because of outside opinions and influences I suppose because of old ideas that that I've decided that this is something I like doing because
[08:11.720 -> 08:13.720] I plug into this
[08:14.120 -> 08:18.560] Because this is what I enjoy doing. So all those it's a really tricky one and
[08:19.240 -> 08:22.320] There's obviously going to be likes and dislikes, but whether or not you fully engage
[08:23.040 -> 08:25.320] Comes down to how you are on the inside.
[08:29.600 -> 08:30.240] Does that make lifting a world cup more important than doing the washing up?
[08:31.920 -> 08:31.960] No, no, no.
[08:33.000 -> 08:37.960] That's my decision. If I, if I choose to be a world cup winner, because I've lifted a world cup,
[08:37.960 -> 08:39.440] that's going to be my next limit.
[08:39.920 -> 08:43.400] Cause when I'm a world cup winner or I'm a rugby player that won the world cup.
[08:43.760 -> 08:45.200] Now I'm a guy that's walking around
[08:45.200 -> 08:47.000] being the rugby, the winter winger.
[08:47.000 -> 08:49.880] And what happens when England win it again?
[08:49.880 -> 08:51.480] I'm like, I'm a less important guy
[08:51.480 -> 08:54.360] who won a World Cup just the same as other guys.
[08:54.360 -> 08:55.480] And now next time England are playing,
[08:55.480 -> 08:57.200] I'm like, I hope they don't win it.
[08:57.200 -> 08:58.240] But I hope they do really well,
[08:58.240 -> 08:59.760] because I work the guys, but I hope they don't win it.
[08:59.760 -> 09:01.320] It's like, no, it doesn't work that way.
[09:01.320 -> 09:03.400] What a conversation, Fern, what do you think?
[09:03.400 -> 09:06.340] I listened to that whole episode back when it was released,
[09:06.340 -> 09:08.900] and I don't know anything about rugby, obviously.
[09:08.900 -> 09:10.400] I knew a little bit about Johnny,
[09:10.400 -> 09:12.900] but not enough to really be able to get a sense
[09:12.900 -> 09:14.100] of who he is as a person.
[09:14.100 -> 09:16.340] And you can really tell from listening to that episode
[09:16.340 -> 09:21.340] that he's been through such a huge time of change,
[09:21.400 -> 09:23.940] whether you want to say it's emotional change,
[09:23.940 -> 09:25.760] spiritual change, but he's obviously
[09:25.760 -> 09:31.900] got this massively expansive mindset now on life in and outside of sport and the thing
[09:31.900 -> 09:36.720] that he's most known for. And it was just intriguing listening to him talk like that.
[09:36.720 -> 09:41.080] I don't think I'd heard a sports personality talk in that way because usually it is about
[09:41.080 -> 09:46.520] winning or succeeding or being perfect in that moment. A lot of the time it comes down to perfection
[09:46.520 -> 09:47.360] so you can win.
[09:47.360 -> 09:50.120] So it was beautiful to hear him
[09:50.120 -> 09:52.720] sort of dismantle that theory really.
[09:52.720 -> 09:55.120] Yeah, and I think that's really opposite point
[09:55.120 -> 09:56.040] that you're making Fern.
[09:56.040 -> 09:58.360] I think when Johnny spoke to us,
[09:58.360 -> 10:00.800] he spoke about like there was two parallel beliefs
[10:00.800 -> 10:03.440] that sort of led him to having a breakdown
[10:03.440 -> 10:04.380] in many respects.
[10:04.380 -> 10:07.520] One was he'd grown up with an abject fear of dying. So he had this idea that when he died, y gallai'r creddau hynny eich bod wedi'u rhoi i'w ddod o'r ffordd y byddai'n cael ychydig o ddifrifolion. Un o'r creddau oedd ei fod wedi grwpio gyda phobl yn fawr o fudd i'w dod.
[10:07.520 -> 10:11.680] Felly roedd yn ymddangos y byddai, wrth iddo, ei bod yn rhaid iddo byw byw bywyd perffect,
[10:11.680 -> 10:14.400] a oedd yn y brif ysbytyoedd y flwyddyn hwnnw yn ei ddod o'r ffordd i'w ddod o'r ffordd.
[10:14.400 -> 10:17.040] Ac yna, fe wnaeth e ddod o'r ffordd yn anhygoel
[10:17.040 -> 10:19.680] ar rhywbeth y byddai'r perffectio yn cael ei ddod o'r ffordd.
[10:19.680 -> 10:22.400] Felly fe ddod o'r ffordd yn ddod o'r ffordd yn ddiddorol ar y ffyrdd o rygbi
[10:22.400 -> 10:25.240] ac yn ymdrechu'n cyud â'r perffectiaid.
[10:25.240 -> 10:28.520] Ac roedd hynny'n ei wneud i ni gael 14 o
[10:28.520 -> 10:32.800] pwysau gynhwysol ar gyfer ychydig o leiaf glir
[10:32.800 -> 10:33.640] yn ymdrechol.
[10:34.840 -> 10:37.840] Ac yr hyn a ddewiswyd i ni oedd y ffordd allan o'r
[10:37.840 -> 10:40.800] pwll hwnnw o'r ymddygiad a ddewisodd.
[10:40.800 -> 10:43.960] Jake, rwy'n mwynhau gweld beth y meddwlwch am hyn,
[10:43.960 -> 10:48.920] oherwydd, fel fy hun, rydych chi'n dyrrwyf ac rydych chi'n ambwysus. himself. Jake I'm really interested to see what you think about this because you know much like myself you're driven and you're ambitious I don't like to
[10:48.920 -> 10:52.720] hide I don't need to hide that fact I am ambitious I always sort of have been so
[10:52.720 -> 10:56.400] I can get very caught up in the trap of feeling like I'm not doing enough or I'm
[10:56.400 -> 11:00.160] failing if I'm not hitting marks where are you with that personally? I used to
[11:00.160 -> 11:05.320] be awful with it and let's just be totally honest right Fern CBBC was
[11:05.320 -> 11:10.160] probably the most competitive and aggressive and sort of catty place right
[11:10.160 -> 11:14.680] it was young everybody wanted to be the next big thing I mean have you ever
[11:14.680 -> 11:18.240] known a dressing room or with so many tears as we used to experience I used to
[11:18.240 -> 11:21.880] stay out of it it was too scary for me five minutes later you're standing on
[11:21.880 -> 11:27.920] the telly hey welcome good afternoon and the reason for that is not because the people weren't good or brilliant people
[11:27.920 -> 11:33.520] It's because we all existed in a world where at that time we believed our success in our careers determined us as people
[11:33.800 -> 11:38.480] And I'm now 43 right and there's a reason why I'm only doing the high-performance podcast now
[11:38.480 -> 11:41.560] It's because I was too scared to have these conversations
[11:42.480 -> 11:46.260] When I was in my 20s, I didn't know enough about it one is in my 30s
[11:46.260 -> 11:47.860] I felt that
[11:47.860 -> 11:53.540] Formula one presenters and football presenters don't talk like this and I'd still get dogs abuse every day on social media for having these
[11:53.540 -> 11:58.540] kinds of conversations because it doesn't fit into people's and we spoke about this when I joined you on your podfer
[11:58.540 -> 12:00.340] It doesn't fit into people's
[12:00.340 -> 12:06.140] Mindset of that's what a sports presenter does. Yeah, and it's through having the conversations on high performance
[12:06.140 -> 12:09.920] We spoke with Hector Bayer and another footballer who said you have to live your life like a candle
[12:09.920 -> 12:13.600] And your flame can't get bigger because life is going really well for you
[12:13.600 -> 12:18.280] And if it does the problem with that is when loves going bad your flame gets smaller
[12:18.480 -> 12:24.420] So I would say that I'm now in a place and I'm only still trying to get there really where I do not get high
[12:24.420 -> 12:29.240] On my own supply because my self-worth is only determined by what I think of
[12:29.240 -> 12:34.160] myself. But there's perhaps a fine line because I've taken that too far
[12:34.160 -> 12:38.640] previously I've tried to sort of protect myself from feeling awful if things do
[12:38.640 -> 12:43.880] go wrong by really not celebrating the good bits at all and I think I've gone a
[12:43.880 -> 12:45.780] little bit too far into that.
[12:45.780 -> 12:47.400] I don't ever stop to go, wait a minute,
[12:47.400 -> 12:48.800] that was actually quite good.
[12:48.800 -> 12:52.200] I'll let things pass me by without any celebration
[12:52.200 -> 12:54.800] or just acknowledgement that it's gone well.
[12:54.800 -> 12:57.160] So I guess there's a sort of a balance needed.
[12:57.160 -> 12:59.000] Right, have you got a clip for us, FC?
[12:59.000 -> 13:03.260] Yeah, why don't we start with my favorite human
[13:03.260 -> 13:04.100] on the planet?
[13:04.100 -> 13:04.920] You're gonna say Dave Grohl.
[13:04.920 -> 13:05.620] Of my kids, of course I am my kids. You're gonna say Dave Grohl.
[13:05.620 -> 13:06.460] Of course I am.
[13:06.460 -> 13:07.300] Yeah.
[13:07.300 -> 13:08.120] I love this one.
[13:09.000 -> 13:11.800] I knew nothing about the secret or the law of attraction
[13:11.800 -> 13:15.280] or manifestation until I started writing the book.
[13:15.280 -> 13:16.760] Someone was like, oh, there's a law of attraction.
[13:16.760 -> 13:17.600] I'm like, what's that?
[13:17.600 -> 13:19.000] They're like, oh, it's that Oprah book secret,
[13:19.000 -> 13:19.840] whatever it was.
[13:19.840 -> 13:21.340] And so I started kind of researching it.
[13:21.340 -> 13:23.940] I'm like, oh yeah, but no, there was this,
[13:23.940 -> 13:27.440] there was a punk rock band from Washington, DC
[13:27.440 -> 13:29.040] called the Bad Brains.
[13:29.040 -> 13:31.980] And their whole thing was sort of based on
[13:31.980 -> 13:35.680] what they called PMA, which is a positive mental attitude.
[13:35.680 -> 13:39.120] And there was a writer who sort of came up
[13:39.120 -> 13:40.720] with the concept years ago.
[13:40.720 -> 13:41.600] And the whole thing was,
[13:41.600 -> 13:44.080] if you can perceive it, you can achieve it.
[13:44.080 -> 13:48.080] And I honestly felt that way when I was a kid like, you know growing up with
[13:48.600 -> 13:53.560] Your mother's a public school teacher trying to support two kids like we we didn't have anything
[13:53.680 -> 13:58.860] Like we didn't have we barely had money to keep the heat on with the phone on but we were happy
[13:58.860 -> 14:02.720] And so I thought I truly thought I could do anything
[14:02.720 -> 14:05.040] I'd sort of still feel that way, but I really felt like I could do anything. I sort of still feel that way,
[14:05.040 -> 14:08.120] but I really felt like I could do anything.
[14:08.120 -> 14:09.360] As long as I did it my way,
[14:09.360 -> 14:11.320] I'd figure it out and I could do it.
[14:11.320 -> 14:15.640] So I've always had that sort of energy,
[14:15.640 -> 14:19.240] and I do believe that if you put the thought
[14:19.240 -> 14:22.200] or that energy out there, there is some sort of return.
[14:22.200 -> 14:29.760] Like that seance thing I had when I was 17 in my carport in my garage or whatever.
[14:29.760 -> 14:33.840] I thought, okay, I need to become a musician.
[14:33.840 -> 14:35.360] I need to become...
[14:35.360 -> 14:39.880] I need that magical thing that those other guys have.
[14:39.880 -> 14:44.600] So I literally made an altar and sat down in front of it and prayed to the universe
[14:44.600 -> 14:45.760] that it would happen
[14:45.760 -> 14:49.040] and it happened. And there's part of me that sometimes I'm like,
[14:49.600 -> 14:53.600] did I fucking sell my soul to the devil? Like, what did I do that fateful day?
[14:53.600 -> 14:56.160] No, I think you were just so in alignment with it.
[14:56.160 -> 14:56.660] Yeah.
[14:57.680 -> 15:02.560] He's a super manifester and he's been doing it his whole life and he didn't even kind of
[15:02.560 -> 15:08.400] realize that until people started going, wait, seen Oprah's you know chat on this have you
[15:08.400 -> 15:12.080] read this this book on manifesting he was just doing it naturally like
[15:12.080 -> 15:15.880] intuitively building an altar as a kid to pray to the universe that he could
[15:15.880 -> 15:21.760] become a rock star. Brilliant. Bloody hell. What a guy. What a guy and you know what
[15:21.760 -> 15:25.000] I know there will definitely be cynical people listening to this going
[15:25.880 -> 15:27.760] Manifestation doesn't work, right?
[15:27.760 -> 15:33.500] My take on it is it might not then we can't guarantee it. We can't promise it. There's no no nothing written down
[15:33.500 -> 15:35.500] There's actually no real firm evidence. However
[15:36.380 -> 15:41.480] What is wrong with believing it because if you just believe it then all you're gonna do is think positively
[15:41.480 -> 15:43.920] Anyway, like we all write stories about our future
[15:43.920 -> 15:47.500] What if we just decided to write really positive stories about our future?
[15:47.500 -> 15:50.000] That thing might not happen, it might not come true.
[15:50.000 -> 15:54.500] But it's a hell of a better way to live in the moment, with the positivity than the negativity, at least.
[15:54.500 -> 15:57.500] Well, of course, because you'll make better decisions along the way, because
[15:57.500 -> 16:02.000] if, you know, someone says, right, go out now today and look for yellow objects,
[16:02.000 -> 16:05.880] you'll see so, so many, but you'll miss all of the
[16:05.880 -> 16:09.880] other colour ones. And it's the same thing if you're focusing on positive things or negative
[16:09.880 -> 16:14.760] things. We do have much more agency than we think. And if you're in that mindset of noticing
[16:14.760 -> 16:18.560] positive things, feeling gratitude for them, you're coming at everything from a different
[16:18.560 -> 16:23.680] angle. So I think he is a prime example. Yes, he's naturally talented. Yes, he's one of
[16:23.680 -> 16:30.080] the best humans on the planet. That's just my opinion. But he has put that positivity and that attitude into everything.
[16:30.080 -> 16:36.320] And if you read his book, he has had so many huge setbacks. I mean, one being Kurt Cobain dying at
[16:36.320 -> 16:42.080] the peak of Nirvana fame, and he just was like, well, what do I what do I do now? That was it.
[16:42.080 -> 16:46.640] That was it. And he had to start all over again. It wasn't just like there was the Foo Fighters,
[16:46.640 -> 16:47.720] it was a whole thing.
[16:47.720 -> 16:50.580] So I think positive attitude,
[16:50.580 -> 16:53.320] it has such a huge impact on our lives.
[16:53.320 -> 16:54.760] We've seen this so often, Fern,
[16:54.760 -> 16:57.840] that we've talked to so many of our guests
[16:57.840 -> 16:59.520] about what you've just described.
[16:59.520 -> 17:02.480] It's known as the reticular activating system.
[17:02.480 -> 17:05.200] So the way it works is that your conscious mind is limited in what it can take in. We've been bombarded all the time, y system ymdrechol ymdrechol. Felly, y ffordd y mae'n gweithio yw eich meddwl sy'n
[17:05.200 -> 17:08.480] gysylltiedig ar yr hyn y gallai'n ei ddod i mewn. Rydym yn cael ein haenwyr ar gyfer y cyfnod, ond
[17:08.480 -> 17:12.480] eich meddwl amgylchol yn ymdrechu'r holl wybodaeth ac y system ymdrechol ymdrechol
[17:12.480 -> 17:16.480] yw fel y ddewiswr yng ngogledd y ddau. Mae'n decidio pwy y mae'n ei gadael a pwy
[17:16.480 -> 17:20.480] mae'n ei gadael. Felly, y cyfnod Dave Grohl oedd yn gyfnod da iawn o'r ffaith
[17:20.480 -> 17:23.680] y gwyddwch chi gwybod paru o'r le rydych chi eisiau i'w gael, felly rydych chi'n dechrau gweld cyfleoedd yn hytrach
[17:23.680 -> 17:28.000] ag ymdrechion. Rydych chi'n dechrau gweld cyfleoedd yn hytrach na threads, rydych chi'n dechrau gweld poblogaethau yn hytrach na problegau.
[17:28.000 -> 17:36.000] Ac rydw i'n golygu, roedd e'n unig ddifrifol o'i gynhyrchu. Er mwyn, gallaf gofio eich cwestiwn ar y cyfarfod honno, oherwydd roeddwn i'n hoffi'r hyn sydd wedi'i wneud.
[17:36.000 -> 17:45.320] Pa oedd eich cymryd yn ymdrech ar y cyfnod lle ddewisodd ei dau i mewn a dweud ei fod yn mynd i'w arwain ar y cyfan, oherwydd roedd pawb eraill yn cael ffyrdd o'u hawdd. incident where his daughter came home and said she was going to shave her head because everybody else was a
[17:47.480 -> 17:48.280] Had long hair. I love that I think you know
[17:48.280 -> 17:55.520] it's certainly how I hope to be raising my kids that they know they can and should express themselves in
[17:55.720 -> 18:02.080] however, you know, whatever way takes their fancy rather than always having to follow the crowd and you know
[18:02.080 -> 18:05.760] Rex certainly is my my eight year old has a really strong
[18:05.760 -> 18:09.760] personality and he knows what he likes. And he does things a bit differently, whereas
[18:09.760 -> 18:14.540] honey doesn't like attention. So she would rather sort of go with the general consensus
[18:14.540 -> 18:18.960] a little bit more. But I think I just really want them to go with it. So I love that story
[18:18.960 -> 18:22.960] that he told and I've interviewed him many times and he and we've talked about his kids
[18:22.960 -> 18:29.240] a lot. And you know, even when we've sort of the cameras or the mics have been down, he seems like a seriously
[18:29.240 -> 18:33.560] brilliant dad who wants to raise kids that, you know, go their own way in life.
[18:33.560 -> 18:37.520] I love how much you buzz off him, by the way, I could just see you've like come to life.
[18:37.520 -> 18:42.160] It's a bit tragic. I felt really upset the day after I was like, it's over. What do I
[18:42.160 -> 18:43.160] do now? Oh no.
[18:43.160 -> 18:46.240] Can I ask you a question on it, Fern? Because like what I'm intrigued, like, it's over, what do I do now? Oh no. Like, can I ask you a question on it Fern?
[18:46.240 -> 18:47.400] Cause like what I'm intrigued,
[18:47.400 -> 18:49.240] like I love listening to your interviews
[18:49.240 -> 18:51.360] and that like the one that you did, for example,
[18:51.360 -> 18:54.760] with Billy Piper, where you and her have a history
[18:54.760 -> 18:56.280] that you go back and you were talking about
[18:56.280 -> 18:59.880] how you'd met as teenagers when you were doing TV.
[18:59.880 -> 19:01.280] How was your relationship with them?
[19:01.280 -> 19:04.080] When you obviously come in at very different conversations
[19:04.080 -> 19:05.980] from different places of your life?
[19:05.980 -> 19:06.980] What do you find about that?
[19:06.980 -> 19:14.160] I think it can be tricky if you're going to walk into brand new territory that you haven't
[19:14.160 -> 19:17.560] discussed in real life.
[19:17.560 -> 19:20.440] And that was certainly the case of Billy because although I've known her a long time, I don't
[19:20.440 -> 19:21.440] see her very much.
[19:21.440 -> 19:25.120] So we did have to talk about some things that we hadn't personally talked about.
[19:25.120 -> 19:28.000] And even with you, Jakey, when you came on the podcast,
[19:28.000 -> 19:31.200] we hadn't really talked about your grandma that much personally
[19:31.200 -> 19:33.600] and some sort of other family dynamics.
[19:33.600 -> 19:35.840] Because where's the opportunity to do that in everyday life?
[19:35.840 -> 19:38.160] Like when you're sat at my kitchen table having a tea,
[19:38.160 -> 19:39.520] it's never really the time.
[19:39.520 -> 19:44.720] So I think it's interesting and it actually helps you
[19:47.380 -> 19:51.280] learn more about yourself and the other person which is a very beautiful thing.
[19:51.280 -> 19:55.880] So yeah, as nerve-wracking as it is, Damien, it's also a real honour that we've created
[19:55.880 -> 20:02.320] a space much like you have that feels safe for our guests so they can have that chat.
[20:02.320 -> 20:03.560] Let's listen to another one of yours.
[20:03.560 -> 20:06.160] What one would you like to to dissect next?
[20:06.320 -> 20:10.080] Can I pick demo? Yeah, go on. Um, I think this is this is an interesting one
[20:10.080 -> 20:13.600] I think for you firm we've touched on the parenting thing and this is an insight into
[20:14.560 -> 20:16.240] a way of parenting
[20:16.240 -> 20:18.240] that I really actually
[20:18.880 -> 20:22.800] I believe in and I agree with some people don't some people find it tricky but have a listen
[20:22.800 -> 20:28.680] This actually was our most ever shared clip on social media. It got almost 10 million views, I think, because
[20:28.680 -> 20:33.040] lots of parents listened to it, lots of parents shared it. This is the former Arsenal and
[20:33.040 -> 20:38.160] Manchester United footballer, Premier League winner, Dutch international Robin van Persie
[20:38.160 -> 20:52.080] talking about the way that he helped his son Shaquille to alter his mindset. So my son plays at Feyenoord, he played against Ajax under-14. He was on the bench, he didn't
[20:52.080 -> 21:00.040] play. So in the car on the way back, he was a bit moody, disappointed, complaining a little
[21:00.040 -> 21:07.400] bit about others, about the coach etc. And then I said, yeah, I said, but Shaquille,
[21:07.400 -> 21:09.720] I said, you sound like a loser, you know,
[21:09.720 -> 21:14.100] if you talk like this in a way, you sound like you lost.
[21:14.100 -> 21:16.380] I said, you are blaming him, you're blaming her,
[21:16.380 -> 21:18.180] you're blaming this, you're blaming everything.
[21:18.180 -> 21:21.240] I said, but I don't hear one single thing about yourself.
[21:21.240 -> 21:24.620] I said, winners, I said, they take control,
[21:24.620 -> 21:25.880] and they blame themselves and they look
[21:25.880 -> 21:28.440] where they can improve, yeah?
[21:28.440 -> 21:32.120] And this is what you should be thinking about.
[21:32.120 -> 21:34.520] So I didn't tell him what he should think about.
[21:34.520 -> 21:37.280] You should ask yourself the question,
[21:37.280 -> 21:39.820] are you a loser or are you a winner?
[21:39.820 -> 21:41.200] I said, for me, it doesn't matter.
[21:41.200 -> 21:45.160] I said, because I'm your dad, the only job I have,
[21:45.160 -> 21:47.840] and your mom has, is when you're 20,
[21:47.840 -> 21:49.960] that you're a good boy, that you're ready for life.
[21:49.960 -> 21:51.280] You know, you can make your mistakes,
[21:51.280 -> 21:52.640] you can do what you want.
[21:52.640 -> 21:55.480] I love you for the same amount.
[21:55.480 -> 21:56.720] It doesn't matter for me if you make it
[21:56.720 -> 21:58.440] as a football player or not.
[21:58.440 -> 22:01.840] I said, but you say that this is your passion,
[22:01.840 -> 22:06.120] so you should take control of your life and stop complaining,
[22:06.120 -> 22:07.920] because it sounds like a loser.
[22:07.920 -> 22:09.880] I said, then I don't mind, if you want to be a loser,
[22:09.880 -> 22:12.880] be a loser, I still love you as much, I said.
[22:12.880 -> 22:14.480] I said it doesn't matter for me.
[22:14.480 -> 22:16.280] I said, but if you want to be a winner,
[22:16.280 -> 22:20.280] take control of your life and stop complaining about others.
[22:20.280 -> 22:22.280] And then I watched him train the next morning,
[22:22.280 -> 22:24.000] my wife said, where are you going?
[22:24.000 -> 22:27.020] I said, I'm gonna watch this session.
[22:27.020 -> 22:28.340] Two days later, actually,
[22:28.340 -> 22:30.600] because they played on Saturday and Monday morning.
[22:30.600 -> 22:33.760] So I'm there sitting, cold, hoodie on.
[22:34.760 -> 22:38.920] I'm looking and I see this tiger training, running, working.
[22:39.860 -> 22:42.280] And I was like, ah, okay, okay.
[22:42.280 -> 22:44.720] He realized he has to take control of his life.
[22:44.720 -> 22:45.860] He's 13 now. Now, I am a real lover of that clip, ah, okay, okay. He realized he has to take control of his life. He's 13 now.
[22:45.860 -> 22:48.740] Now, I am a real lover of that clip, Van,
[22:48.740 -> 22:50.060] because everywhere I look in the world,
[22:50.060 -> 22:54.220] I see people giving up control to outside forces,
[22:54.220 -> 22:55.620] and I have a real issue with the fact
[22:55.620 -> 22:57.620] that people love to blame other things,
[22:57.620 -> 23:01.580] and we need to split fault from responsibility, right?
[23:01.580 -> 23:07.720] Trauma from your childhood, often not your fault. Issues in personal relationships at home, often not your fault Issues in personal relationships at home often not your fault
[23:08.400 -> 23:13.680] Physical issues often not your fault a bloody global pandemic will live through none of our fault
[23:13.920 -> 23:19.320] But all of those really think really difficult things are actually still your responsibility
[23:19.320 -> 23:29.420] And I think it can be a hard lesson for some people to hear. It's not your fault, but it's still your responsibility. We get one crack at this and we have to, as parents, instill resilience
[23:29.420 -> 23:34.740] and instill an understanding in our kids that you have got to take control because we'll
[23:34.740 -> 23:38.660] only be there holding their hand for so long. And as we all know, because our kids are of
[23:38.660 -> 23:42.220] a similar age, we hold their hands less than ever now because they're getting older. So
[23:42.220 -> 23:45.320] it's just a lesson, I think, in giving them the vitamins and minerals
[23:45.320 -> 23:47.400] that they really do need in this life.
[23:47.400 -> 23:48.480] It is hard though, isn't it?
[23:48.480 -> 23:49.640] Because when you're a parent,
[23:49.640 -> 23:52.960] your sort of initial feeling when your kid
[23:52.960 -> 23:55.800] is in some way sort of suffering,
[23:55.800 -> 23:57.560] like your kids got put on the bench,
[23:57.560 -> 23:58.400] they're not playing the game,
[23:58.400 -> 24:00.680] you wanna go, oh, come here, it's all right,
[24:00.680 -> 24:01.800] mummy's here.
[24:01.800 -> 24:03.760] But actually, I really liked his take on it,
[24:03.760 -> 24:08.000] that instilling that sort of agency at a young age is a good thing. I think it's
[24:08.000 -> 24:11.120] hard, I think as a parent your inclination is always to try and save
[24:11.120 -> 24:15.120] them but you know it's not really gonna stand them in good stead later down the
[24:15.120 -> 24:19.260] line is it? Because you're not gonna be there as much to say oh come here mum's
[24:19.260 -> 24:22.560] gonna give you a hug, as you say you want to build kids that are gonna be
[24:22.560 -> 24:26.000] resilient so it's definitely something that I haven't practiced myself but I Mae'n dweud, os ydych chi'n dweud eich bod chi eisiau adeiladu plant sy'n mynd i fod yn ddewis, felly mae'n debyg iawn nad oeddwn i wedi ymdrechu ei hun,
[24:26.000 -> 24:30.000] ond rwy'n credu ei fod yn wir, wir, bwysig ac yn ddiddorol iawn
[24:30.000 -> 24:35.000] i ddweud hefyd rhywun sydd wedi byw ac yn ymdrechu hynny o ffilosofi yn eu cyfnod eich hun.
[24:35.000 -> 24:38.000] Rwy'n credu bod y peth sy'n dod allan i mi ar hynny oedd,
[24:38.000 -> 24:42.000] er mwyn i'r ddangos, mae'n ddiddorol, mae'n gysylltiedig gyda phrofiad hefyd, dwi'n ei ddweud.
[24:42.000 -> 25:05.600] Rwy'n hoffi'r syniad hwn o'r fyddwn yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn eich bod yn intact regardless of whether he goes on to achieve his ambitions. Also if we're
[25:05.600 -> 25:11.960] really honest right as parents when say your your kid is faced with some sort of
[25:11.960 -> 25:16.380] disappointment like that I think we have to be really aware of whether we're
[25:16.380 -> 25:20.400] projecting our own insecurities onto our kids or not because so often we'll not
[25:20.400 -> 25:26.800] want them to fail because it makes us look bad or it sparks something from our own childhood at school.
[25:26.800 -> 25:31.600] And I had to really do that with my own son who's really reluctant to do homework, not interested,
[25:31.600 -> 25:36.000] wants to watch wildlife documentaries or do Lego instead or whatever.
[25:36.000 -> 25:41.200] And I had a chat with the teacher along these sorts of lines and we came to an agreement
[25:41.200 -> 25:45.600] that I wouldn't pressurise him at all to do his homework, but he had to be accountable. So if he goes in and doesn't have the complete homework, he'll probably get a detention. Ac roeddwn i'n ddod at y cyfraith nad oeddwn i'n ei gynllunio i wneud ei gwaith yma, ond roedd yn rhaid iddo gael y cyfrifiad.
[25:45.600 -> 25:50.720] Felly os ydyn nhw'n mynd i mewn ac nid oes gwaith yma, bydd yn cael ymddangos, ond rydw i'n allan o'r cyfrifiad.
[25:50.720 -> 25:54.080] A dweud hynny'n ddifrifol, ond mae'n cael ei hymdrechu.
[25:54.080 -> 25:58.880] Mae'n gwneud y pŵer yn y ffordd y mae'n ei wneud ei eithaf.
[25:58.880 -> 26:25.520] Roeddwn i'n defnyddio'r ffordd iawn, yn y ffyrdd o'r ymchwil Van Persie, wrth i ni ddweud, wrthn rhoi'r cyfansodau o gyfansodau iddo,
[26:25.520 -> 26:27.760] ac mae'r astudiaethau ar hynny yn dweud
[26:27.760 -> 26:30.400] bod hynny'n rhan fawr o iechyd meddwl
[26:30.400 -> 26:32.560] yw teimlo bod gennych rywfaint o ddiffyg
[26:32.560 -> 26:35.120] ac o gyfansodau ar gyfer eich bywyd.
[26:35.120 -> 26:36.880] Pa oed yw'r chlodau chi, Damien?
[26:36.880 -> 26:38.960] Felly mae fy mhobl George yn 12
[26:38.960 -> 26:41.280] ac y Rose yn 9 heddiw
[26:41.280 -> 26:42.320] wrth i ni recordio'r cyfansodau.
[26:42.320 -> 26:43.520] Oh, ddwyfair!
[26:43.520 -> 26:46.000] Hapus nawr, Rose!
[26:46.000 -> 26:48.000] Ie, mae gennym myfyrwyr,
[26:48.000 -> 26:50.000] y tri o ni, o'n i, o'n i'r oed.
[26:50.000 -> 26:52.000] Felly, rhai o'r gwybodaethau hwn,
[26:52.000 -> 26:54.000] rydyn ni'n dal i gyrraedd i gael nhw ddeall.
[26:54.000 -> 26:56.000] Mae'n anodd, mae'n anodd iawn.
[26:56.000 -> 26:58.000] Go on, Ffran, dyna ni clip arall o'ch pod.
[26:58.000 -> 27:00.000] Ie, pam nad ydym ni'n mynd â...
[27:00.000 -> 27:02.000] Mae'n un o'r David, David Harewood.
[27:02.000 -> 27:04.000] Rydw i'n teimlo'n fawr o honno
[27:04.000 -> 27:06.720] i gael y sgwrs hwn, ac rwy'n meddwl amdano'n hollbwysig. Dave, David Harewood, I just felt very honoured to have had this conversation and I think about it
[27:06.720 -> 27:13.200] all the time and it was one of the most important conversations I've had for many reasons but let's
[27:13.200 -> 27:20.480] give it a listen first. I hated what racism, how it makes you feel, it makes you, you know, as a kid
[27:21.600 -> 27:25.000] as a kid I was terrified.
[27:25.000 -> 27:28.000] I know that's probably not a cool thing to say,
[27:28.000 -> 27:30.000] but I was terrified.
[27:30.000 -> 27:36.000] And I think I found clowning and make-believe
[27:36.000 -> 27:40.000] and my imagination at school
[27:40.000 -> 27:42.000] because I could disappear in that.
[27:42.000 -> 27:44.000] I could be anybody.
[27:44.000 -> 27:48.000] And it was a nice environment, surrounded by lovely, creative people.
[27:48.000 -> 27:50.000] Nobody mentioned my colour.
[27:50.000 -> 27:54.000] And I could play King Lear and not…
[27:54.000 -> 27:57.000] Nobody said, oh, he's black and she's white.
[27:57.000 -> 27:59.000] Nobody mentioned it.
[27:59.000 -> 28:04.000] And so I kind of escaped into this world of sort of bliss,
[28:04.000 -> 28:08.560] where I'm studying and… I was never that academic at school but
[28:08.560 -> 28:14.280] suddenly I'm studying Shakespeare and literature and poetry and I was just, my mind was going
[28:14.280 -> 28:20.720] wow this is fantastic and I was just buzzing and learning and it was, you know, and I was
[28:20.720 -> 28:25.800] finding that I was having some success and at drama school with playing these characters
[28:25.800 -> 28:29.360] and just escaping into these writers' imaginations.
[28:29.360 -> 28:31.960] It was just a beautiful time for me.
[28:31.960 -> 28:33.440] But then, yeah, I came out of drama school
[28:33.440 -> 28:34.680] and suddenly the world said to me,
[28:34.680 -> 28:36.680] hang on, you're black.
[28:36.680 -> 28:37.920] You don't do this, you do that.
[28:37.920 -> 28:39.720] And you can't play that, you play this.
[28:39.720 -> 28:43.400] And that's when that confusion returned
[28:43.400 -> 28:50.480] and that sort of difficulty to navigate the white space and racism
[28:50.480 -> 28:58.560] and to navigate how I fit into that returned with a vengeance along with several other moments.
[28:59.440 -> 29:04.960] It all combined to sort of tip me over the edge. It was such a wonderful conversation
[29:03.480 -> 29:07.680] combined to sort of tip the over the edge. It was such a wonderful conversation for so many reasons.
[29:07.680 -> 29:12.680] One, I was just very grateful that David was so honest
[29:13.480 -> 29:16.680] about his experiences of racism and psychosis,
[29:16.680 -> 29:19.880] which he went into in quite some depth
[29:19.880 -> 29:21.760] in the podcast episode.
[29:21.760 -> 29:25.840] But also he was really honest about how he felt that day, which was
[29:25.840 -> 29:30.160] utterly drained from having, you know, talked about this a lot because he had written a
[29:30.160 -> 29:34.560] book and obviously you want to then promote the book so people read the book. And he was
[29:34.560 -> 29:40.080] sort of, he was hitting a wall. And I really appreciated that he sort of said that and
[29:40.080 -> 29:44.600] he was like, I'm glad that it's happy place because I know that I can sort of say this
[29:44.600 -> 29:47.200] and it's not going to be taken out of context
[29:47.200 -> 29:50.240] or some headline, some sort of awful salacious headline
[29:50.240 -> 29:51.640] is going to be written.
[29:51.640 -> 29:55.120] And it just felt like we both breathed a bit of a sigh
[29:55.120 -> 29:58.160] of relief that we knew where we were at.
[29:58.160 -> 30:03.160] And I just sort of went with David's comfort levels
[30:03.480 -> 30:05.520] of what he was prepared to talk about that day.
[30:05.520 -> 30:08.880] And we both had a big cry.
[30:08.880 -> 30:11.320] We both laughed a lot in the episode,
[30:11.320 -> 30:14.660] but I really felt like in that short space of time,
[30:14.660 -> 30:19.660] in the hour, I got to really know the David Harewood guy
[30:20.760 -> 30:23.280] rather than the actor who we see
[30:23.280 -> 30:25.000] do astonishing things on the TV.
[30:25.000 -> 30:27.000] And that felt like a real privilege.
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[33:39.920 -> 33:42.800] It's interesting for me because I think that
[33:42.800 -> 33:44.800] as much as the podcast space is brilliant
[33:44.800 -> 33:45.000] and offers something that nowhere else offers, it offers those long-form conversations interesting for me because I think that as much as the podcast space is brilliant and
[33:45.000 -> 33:49.040] offers something that nowhere else offers. It offers those long-form conversations where
[33:49.040 -> 33:53.320] people can be really honest and really reflective and it doesn't get taken out of context and
[33:53.320 -> 33:59.080] it doesn't get twisted by other areas of the media. It's also a kind of permanent reminder
[33:59.080 -> 34:04.200] to me that we now live in a world where those conversations should be happening anyway all
[34:04.200 -> 34:09.800] the time and they're just not we live in this transactional world of quick conversations with people but
[34:09.800 -> 34:13.120] it's always like yeah I've got a quick meeting to get to or every time a you know meetings
[34:13.120 -> 34:16.640] put in your diary you see that it's not just put in it's like how long you get for that
[34:16.640 -> 34:22.640] meeting or Instagram is a maximum of a minute long you want some food you go and order it
[34:22.640 -> 34:31.040] from an app and it's with you in 10 minutes time. We're in this world of short form, quick interactions, no depth, no real honesty, no
[34:31.040 -> 34:34.840] real, you know, that connection that like we're having it right now, just sitting and
[34:34.840 -> 34:39.200] having a conversation. How many times this week have any of us had a one hour or more
[34:39.200 -> 34:41.280] to sit and have this kind of chat with people?
[34:41.280 -> 34:50.480] No, I mean, I've had chats with people that I've never met before, like I hadn't met David before, but we went very deep, very quickly in that chat.
[34:50.480 -> 34:52.080] Deeper than people you see every day on the school road?
[34:52.080 -> 34:58.240] Deeper than people I see all the time, or even good friends, because when is that point where you go,
[34:59.200 -> 35:05.940] you know, are you, are you really okay? Like, what is going on? We don't go there because it's maybe awkward
[35:05.940 -> 35:08.540] or we just don't know if they wanna go there.
[35:08.540 -> 35:11.300] So I think your podcast and mine,
[35:11.300 -> 35:13.020] we both kinda know what we're stepping into
[35:13.020 -> 35:14.020] and so does the guest.
[35:14.020 -> 35:16.660] So there's only kinda one direction to go in
[35:16.660 -> 35:17.900] and it's to peel back the layers.
[35:17.900 -> 35:20.940] But in everyday life, it's almost too uncomfortable.
[35:20.940 -> 35:21.940] But if I can say, Fern,
[35:21.940 -> 35:24.220] I think that's one of your superpowers
[35:24.220 -> 35:28.000] that when I listen to it, I think the fact that David spoke so openly on that Ond os gallaf ddweud hynny, rwy'n credu mai dyna un o'ch gryfwyr, pan ddweud wrthym, rwy'n credu bod y ffaith bod David yn sôn mor ofn ar hynny,
[35:28.000 -> 35:32.000] ac fel rhai o'r arweinwyr eraill rwy'n mwynhau clywed i chi siarad,
[35:32.000 -> 35:36.000] mae'n amlwg peth o ran eu bod yn teimlo'n clywed a'n cael ei weld,
[35:36.000 -> 35:40.000] a rwy'n credu bod hynny'n i'ch gallu i'w gael i ddeall
[35:40.000 -> 35:43.000] eich bod yn ymdrech a'ch bod yn ymdrech i'w bywyd,
[35:43.000 -> 35:46.880] yn hytrach na'i ofyn o'r ddadau neu'n ymdrechu arnynt.
[35:46.880 -> 35:48.800] Rydyn ni'n croesawu'r byd o'r perspectif eu hunain
[35:48.800 -> 35:52.000] ac rwy'n credu, dydw i ddim yn ymddangos pa ffordd o fawr
[35:52.000 -> 35:53.280] yw'r rhai sydd gennych chi.
[35:53.280 -> 35:55.440] Mae'n ddiddorol iawn o gyd, diolch yn fawr Damien.
[35:55.440 -> 35:59.200] Rwy'n credu, rwy'n gwybod fy hunain'n dda ynghylch y dyddiau hyn
[35:59.200 -> 36:00.800] ac rwy'n gwybod fy mod yn well iawn
[36:00.800 -> 36:02.960] yn cyfleu rhywun mewn lle o fach o bobl
[36:02.960 -> 36:06.520] na'n ddweud am beth maen nhw'n ei wneud ar gyfer Christmas. Dwi ddim yn hoffi siarad mawr, dwi ddim yn golygu ei hunain. I'm much better at meeting someone at a place of pain than I am talking about what they're doing for Christmas.
[36:06.520 -> 36:08.320] I sort of don't like small talk.
[36:08.320 -> 36:09.800] I don't really care for it.
[36:09.800 -> 36:12.540] I like meeting people at a place of pain.
[36:12.540 -> 36:14.360] My own pain has to match theirs.
[36:14.360 -> 36:17.000] You know, I have to be as vulnerable and ready to go there,
[36:17.000 -> 36:18.400] but I prefer it.
[36:18.400 -> 36:19.920] I'd way rather do that than be like,
[36:19.920 -> 36:21.280] I like shoes, where are they from?
[36:21.280 -> 36:22.680] I just can't be asked.
[36:22.680 -> 36:45.920] So I feel lucky that I get to do this all the time. And that leads nicely into the clip Iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn, sefydlu'r busnes ar 19, ac yw'n mynd i'r cyfansoddau phhenomenol.
[36:45.920 -> 36:50.480] Ac yna wnaeth y penderfyniad i fynd i lawr fel Cyfarwyddwr Gynulliadol pan oedd 23,
[36:50.480 -> 36:52.480] er mwyn dysgu'r rhobau.
[36:52.480 -> 36:55.280] Ond rydyn ni'n rhannu'r stori ddiddorol ynghylch ymddygiadau
[36:55.280 -> 37:00.080] a ddod o'r dros gydag ymgyrchu gyda'i gilydd ar gyfer ymddygiad 360,
[37:00.080 -> 37:05.280] lle roedd yn cyfrifol i bobl rannu eu syniadau ar sut roedd yn eu hyrwyddo. where he'd invited people to to share their opinions on how he was leading them and how
[37:05.600 -> 37:11.880] that almost removed the scales from his eyes and got him to see that what he thought he was doing was radically different from how
[37:12.760 -> 37:15.060] His behavior was being perceived by others
[37:15.880 -> 37:19.540] There's a thing that you can do. This was almost a bit of an ego death for me
[37:19.540 -> 37:23.000] Right a few years ago when I was sort of just starting on this journey
[37:23.000 -> 37:26.620] We did something called 360 feedback, which I don't know if you guys are aware
[37:26.620 -> 37:27.840] But for those that aren't
[37:27.840 -> 37:33.400] What you do is you out you basically list people around you that you work with or you spend a lot of time with
[37:33.460 -> 37:40.260] They fill in a questionnaire and like confidentially you can't see who answered what and they sort of tick different boxes to describe you
[37:41.160 -> 37:43.780] People can add in comments as well. I had this 360 feedback
[37:43.780 -> 37:48.120] It must have been like 20 or 30 pages at about seven or eight people that all contributed to it
[37:48.120 -> 37:51.440] I read through the whole thing and it completely broke my heart. I thought that's not me
[37:51.440 -> 37:56.760] That's just doesn't sound like me. Everyone else is wrong in reality. Everyone else is right. I was the problem
[37:57.440 -> 38:00.240] So what sort of feedback did you get Ben give us just a quick example?
[38:00.560 -> 38:02.160] abrasive
[38:02.160 -> 38:07.440] Can be too direct at times, not thoughtful. I
[38:07.440 -> 38:11.560] mentioned earlier about being sort of too direct in terms of my product
[38:11.560 -> 38:15.620] feedback, not empathetic enough. And even when you read it did you still not
[38:15.620 -> 38:18.600] believe it? No I didn't believe it. This is the thing and this is the thing that
[38:18.600 -> 38:22.240] really changed it. I took it home and I put it on the side and then I went off
[38:22.240 -> 38:31.000] went to the gym did whatever. Come home from the gym and Robin who's my fiance now was just finishing reading it and I was so
[38:31.960 -> 38:35.200] Annoyed that she'd read it and I was like why you reading that that's mine. Don't look at it
[38:35.200 -> 38:42.760] It's not even right. Anyway, anyway, whatever cool down an hour later. I said, what did you think of that? Anyway, and she said that's the most
[38:43.280 -> 38:46.200] accurate description of you I've ever seen.
[38:46.200 -> 38:48.280] And I was like, Oh God.
[38:48.280 -> 38:50.360] And that was a moment where it almost felt like
[38:50.360 -> 38:52.440] everything around me just stopped, time just stopped.
[38:52.440 -> 38:53.560] And it was almost like an ego death.
[38:53.560 -> 38:56.760] And I thought, right, whatever is in that 360 feedback,
[38:56.760 -> 39:00.860] I am going to list down and I, by any means necessary,
[39:00.860 -> 39:01.700] I'm going to improve that.
[39:01.700 -> 39:03.960] And that was a moment when I had to reinvent myself.
[39:03.960 -> 39:05.800] And it was a really, really really important moment and it's funny
[39:05.800 -> 39:09.240] because it's the combination of professional feedback with the
[39:09.240 -> 39:15.160] validation on the personal side. Wow that is a brave move how would you guys
[39:15.160 -> 39:19.320] deal with that would you how would you I would not cope with 360 feedback. I
[39:19.320 -> 39:23.880] actually do love 360 feedback you know what let me just be totally honest with
[39:23.880 -> 39:27.020] you right doing high performance for the last two years,
[39:27.020 -> 39:29.300] I've never been in a happier place, honestly.
[39:29.300 -> 39:31.620] Because of these conversations we've had,
[39:31.620 -> 39:32.860] people can throw anything at me.
[39:32.860 -> 39:35.100] They could be crit, and they still do, as we all know,
[39:35.100 -> 39:37.300] because of the world that we exist in.
[39:37.300 -> 39:39.700] Honestly, it bounces off me, like,
[39:39.700 -> 39:41.020] I honestly feel like high performance
[39:41.020 -> 39:42.660] has given me a coat of armor.
[39:42.660 -> 39:49.920] To just totally, totally share exactly what I think. think there's this lovely phrase memento mori. It basically means we're all dying
[39:50.360 -> 39:54.560] So all of us great. I know all of us have got a terminal
[39:55.580 -> 39:56.960] diagnosis, right
[39:56.960 -> 40:00.080] We don't know whether that's eight weeks eight months eight years 80 years
[40:00.160 -> 40:03.960] But we definitely know that the clock is ticking and every second that we pass
[40:04.560 -> 40:05.540] Is the second we're not gonna get back and that revelation for me? But we definitely know that the clock is ticking and every second that we pass is a second
[40:05.540 -> 40:12.640] We're not gonna get back and that revelation for me. I was actually telling the guys before we started recording this I'm gonna get mm
[40:13.160 -> 40:17.380] Tattooed on my wrist. I know you're a tattoo fan. I'm getting one tomorrow. Oh, what are you getting?
[40:17.380 -> 40:21.020] I'm getting a pink heart for my late friend Lindale
[40:21.020 -> 40:29.640] I'm getting another quote from a friend of mine who's having a really tough time which says new beginnings which was something he
[40:29.640 -> 40:32.760] wrote in a note for me so I'm getting two for two very special people.
[40:32.760 -> 40:36.400] And where were you getting them from? Don't know yet, I'm gonna work that out.
[40:36.400 -> 40:44.400] Well she does she just doesn't want to know. So Memento Mori, remember you must die and
[40:44.400 -> 40:45.960] that is the point about that, right?
[40:45.960 -> 40:46.920] It's really easy.
[40:46.920 -> 40:49.840] And I was talking to Harriet and she was like, morbid.
[40:49.840 -> 40:50.800] And I was like, no, no,
[40:50.800 -> 40:53.280] the total opposite of being morbid, Momento Mori,
[40:53.280 -> 40:54.800] is that as soon as you realize
[40:54.800 -> 40:57.740] you have this terminal diagnosis, as we all do,
[40:57.740 -> 41:00.180] every single decision is made with that mindset
[41:00.180 -> 41:03.320] that you are dying, you don't know how long you've got left.
[41:03.320 -> 41:05.400] So not only are you gonna make the most of every minute,
[41:05.400 -> 41:07.600] it totally changes how you view everything,
[41:07.600 -> 41:09.500] but the biggest freedom for me
[41:09.500 -> 41:11.200] is that there is no time anymore
[41:11.200 -> 41:13.400] to worry about things that are out of my control,
[41:13.400 -> 41:15.800] there's no time to say things that I don't believe in,
[41:15.800 -> 41:18.600] there's no time to have friends that I don't feel fulfill me,
[41:18.600 -> 41:21.600] there's no time to have a job that I don't believe in,
[41:21.600 -> 41:23.800] and it's been a real game-changer for me.
[41:23.800 -> 41:26.000] So with Memento Mori yn ei chyd, 360 ymdrech,
[41:26.000 -> 41:28.000] byddaf ddim yn cael broblem gyda'i gilydd.
[41:28.000 -> 41:30.000] Wel, rwy'n ei wneud yn fy swydd fydd,
[41:30.000 -> 41:32.000] rwy'n ei wneud pan ddweud gyda'r
[41:32.000 -> 41:34.000] sgwrs teams, yn y blynyddoedd,
[41:34.000 -> 41:36.000] un o'r pethau cyntaf rydych chi'n ei wneud gyda nhw
[41:36.000 -> 41:38.000] yw, pan fyddwch chi wedi cydnabod y math o
[41:38.000 -> 41:40.000] standardau o ddealltwriaeth,
[41:40.000 -> 41:42.000] rydyn ni'n eu cyflwyno i wneud 360 ymdrech
[41:42.000 -> 41:44.000] ar eich un.
[41:44.000 -> 41:46.640] Ac mae'n brifysgol, mae gennym ddau effaith.
[41:46.640 -> 41:49.920] I rhai, mae'n llunio pobl allan o'u ddewis.
[41:49.920 -> 41:51.320] Felly, maen nhw'n cael eu llai,
[41:51.320 -> 41:52.720] maen nhw'n cael eu cymaint ar eu hunain,
[41:52.720 -> 41:55.680] maen nhw'n cael eu ymgyrchu gan yr holl symbolau status
[41:55.680 -> 41:57.480] y byddent yn gwneud eithaf da,
[41:57.480 -> 41:58.840] ond efallai y byddent yn ymdrech,
[41:58.840 -> 42:00.400] felly mae'n llunio nhw allan o hynny.
[42:00.400 -> 42:02.800] Ond i eraill, ychydig fel yr oedd Ben yn dweud,
[42:02.800 -> 42:04.920] mae'n gynhyrchu'r pethau da y maen nhw'n ei wneud,
[42:04.920 -> 42:05.000] y pethau y maen nhw'n ei wneud.
[42:05.000 -> 42:07.000] Y pethau y maen nhw'n meddwl nad oes unrhyw un wedi'u gweld.
[42:07.000 -> 42:13.000] Felly, dych chi'n gwybod, fel y dyna ffyrdd sy'n dod yn agos yn gyntaf, neu'r dyna ffyrdd sy'n mynd i gael pob un o'r bobl i ddrin,
[42:13.000 -> 42:19.000] pan fydd yn mynd i'r canteen, pethau fel hynny, neu pethau'n fawr fel hynny, sy'n aml yn dod allan ac yn cael eu gynrychioli.
[42:19.000 -> 42:25.000] Felly, gallai'n gallu bod yn ddiddorol bwysig, ac unrhyw un sy'n clywed hynny, mae'n rhywbeth rydw i'n ei ddweud, rydw i'n ei ddweud,
[42:25.000 -> 42:26.700] oherwydd yw'n teimladau neu ffrindiau.
[42:26.700 -> 42:28.000] Y pwysig yw, mae'n rhaid i chi
[42:28.000 -> 42:31.000] ymgysylltu â'r peramaterau o'r hyn y maen nhw'n ei ddynnu'n ôl,
[42:31.000 -> 42:32.500] felly nid yw'n gallu dweud,
[42:32.500 -> 42:34.000] stop being a dickhead,
[42:34.000 -> 42:36.000] oherwydd mae rhywbeth fel hynny,
[42:36.000 -> 42:37.000] dyna'r ffordd y byddwch chi'n ei ddweud,
[42:37.000 -> 42:39.000] dyna'r atgaf ar y person,
[42:39.000 -> 42:40.000] dyna'r ffyrdd ar y deallt,
[42:40.000 -> 42:42.000] ymdrech ar y ddeallt o'r rhain
[42:42.000 -> 42:43.000] yn dynnu'n ôl ar y deallt o rywun
[42:43.000 -> 42:49.040] y gallwch chi newid, neu'r person, sy'n mynd i newid, ac mae hynny'n teimlo'n ddymach. distinguish between feeding back on someone's behaviors which you can change or the person which isn't going to change and that then feels hurtful.
[42:49.040 -> 42:53.880] Yeah okay I think I get it now because I think due to well all of our strange
[42:53.880 -> 43:00.080] lines of work really you know I've been in I guess the firing line of outside
[43:00.080 -> 43:05.000] judgment since I was 15 and it's never about your behavior it's always about
[43:05.000 -> 43:09.120] you as a person so I think that's where I've got confused here and I instantly
[43:09.120 -> 43:12.120] went oh my god I can't handle any more feedback I already get too much but
[43:12.120 -> 43:15.800] actually constructive feedback is gonna be about behavior because that's
[43:15.800 -> 43:19.920] something that obviously you can change it's not you as a person that's
[43:19.920 -> 43:23.800] disliked it's how you go about your business so I okay you're changing my
[43:23.800 -> 43:26.200] mind very slowly and incrementally here.
[43:26.480 -> 43:28.880] Right. I want another hit from happy place.
[43:29.240 -> 43:33.440] I would like to go with Dr. Jane Goodall. Now this was a real dream come true.
[43:33.480 -> 43:37.360] I've been a long time fan of Dr. Jane's
[43:37.560 -> 43:42.280] incredible game changing work. I'd watched the documentary Jane,
[43:42.280 -> 43:42.880] which you can watch,
[43:42.880 -> 43:46.200] I think it's on Disney plus and just fell even further in love with her,
[43:46.200 -> 43:48.080] then read her book on hope.
[43:48.080 -> 43:50.680] And what an opportunity to get to talk to someone
[43:50.680 -> 43:52.920] with that amount of knowledge and experience.
[43:54.020 -> 43:58.660] There are these three huge problems to be solved,
[43:58.660 -> 44:01.720] and sometimes they seem insoluble.
[44:01.720 -> 44:05.880] One of them, perhaps the
[44:03.320 -> 44:07.920] easiest to address, is to alleviate
[44:05.880 -> 44:10.440] poverty, because if you're really poor
[44:07.920 -> 44:12.960] you can't make those ethical decisions
[44:10.440 -> 44:15.360] and you destroy the environment because
[44:12.960 -> 44:18.000] you've got to get some money to
[44:15.360 -> 44:22.400] live, to get more land, to grow food.
[44:18.000 -> 44:25.080] Secondly, which seems very hard for many
[44:22.400 -> 44:25.920] people, but kids get it, and that's to seems very hard for many people but
[44:23.120 -> 44:28.640] kids get it and that's to reduce our
[44:25.920 -> 44:30.520] unsustainable lifestyle. I mean my
[44:28.640 -> 44:35.000] lifestyle is unsustainable even though I
[44:30.520 -> 44:37.880] try. I expect yours is too. Yeah. You know we
[44:35.000 -> 44:40.640] have privilege and we have more stuff than
[44:37.880 -> 44:43.240] we need. Yeah. And you know it's not
[44:40.640 -> 44:45.640] suggesting everybody goes back to you
[44:43.240 -> 44:48.040] know being like a hermit
[44:44.560 -> 44:50.880] and living very, very, very simply. No,
[44:48.040 -> 44:53.200] that won't happen. But just to
[44:50.880 -> 44:55.480] think about what you buy and how
[44:53.200 -> 44:58.160] often you buy and do you make waste and
[44:55.480 -> 44:59.960] that sort of thing. And then finally,
[44:58.160 -> 45:04.120] which kind of underlies everything else,
[44:59.960 -> 45:05.640] if we discount corruption, which somehow
[45:04.120 -> 45:05.520] I don't know how we get rid of that else. If we discount corruption, which
[45:03.120 -> 45:09.040] somehow I don't know how we get rid of that,
[45:05.520 -> 45:10.880] it's beyond me, except through our youth who
[45:09.040 -> 45:13.680] are beginning to understand. Yeah. Anyway,
[45:10.880 -> 45:16.480] the third one that we must at least
[45:13.680 -> 45:20.120] think about is our growing human
[45:16.480 -> 45:22.400] population. You know, the seven point
[45:20.120 -> 45:24.840] something billion of us now, I thought it
[45:22.400 -> 45:27.920] was 7.2, somebody told me it was 7.8, but over 7 billion.
[45:28.800 -> 45:34.560] And already we're using up natural resources in some places faster than they can be replenished.
[45:34.560 -> 45:38.400] Yeah. And by 2050, that's around the corner.
[45:38.400 -> 45:44.160] We're supposed to be closer to 10 billion. So if we carry on with business as usual,
[45:47.040 -> 45:52.440] 10 billion. So if we carry on with business as usual, which some people seem determined to do with their head in the sand, then what's going to happen?
[45:52.440 -> 45:58.960] I know that sounds all quite doom and gloom, but Jane was very much pointing out the problems,
[45:58.960 -> 46:06.560] but then has an amazing approach to all of them, which always has to have this sort of undercurrent of
[46:06.560 -> 46:11.200] hope. Otherwise, she would give up. She's 87. She doesn't need to be doing interviews all day and
[46:11.200 -> 46:16.640] writing books and still doing talks. She doesn't have to do that. But it's her life's work. And
[46:16.640 -> 46:21.040] she's been doing that since she was in her 20s. And she wouldn't bother if she didn't have hope.
[46:21.040 -> 46:29.760] And she has a great deal of hope. And she set up her own beautiful initiative Roots and Shoots to really help cultivate a younger
[46:29.760 -> 46:33.520] generation that are gonna unfortunately have to fix the mess that we find
[46:33.520 -> 46:39.480] ourselves in but hope was the underlying theme and I don't see much hope around
[46:39.480 -> 46:42.160] at the moment whether you're looking at environmental issues or other stuff
[46:42.160 -> 46:47.520] that's going on we're definitely bombarded with a projection of ond ymhellach i'r broblemau bywydol neu'r pethau eraill sy'n digwydd. Rydyn ni'n debyg i'r brojectio o negatibiaeth, ffyrdd,
[46:47.520 -> 46:49.920] mae'r cymaint o hynny yno, ar unrhyw le.
[46:49.920 -> 46:53.480] Ond dywedwch, na, mae'n deimlo'n ychydig yn ddiddorol a'n ddiddorol ar amserau.
[46:53.480 -> 46:56.280] Ond os yw gennych rhywun sy'n astudio'r pethau hwn i'w bywydau'n gyfan,
[46:56.280 -> 46:57.800] ac mae'n 87,
[46:57.800 -> 47:00.560] a dweud ein bod ni'n rhaid i gael gobeithio, ac mae'r gobeithio'n ddigonol,
[47:00.560 -> 47:02.720] rydw i'n mynd i ffwrdd i'w clywed.
[47:02.720 -> 47:04.000] Ie, fe'i golygu i mi,
[47:04.000 -> 47:07.040] fel arall pan ddechreuais clywed hwn, fe'i golygu i mi o'r cwodwyr gwych Napoleon I'm gonna listen to her Yeah reminded me of like when I'd listened to that one originally for me reminded me of that famous
[47:07.200 -> 47:13.000] Napoleon quote that a leader is a dealer in hope that you've constantly got to point like there's been studies of
[47:13.280 -> 47:19.240] Like American presidents the ones that get elected are the ones that talk about a brighter dawn ahead and all these things
[47:20.000 -> 47:22.420] And I thought she was really powerful with that
[47:22.720 -> 47:25.480] She was you know on the day that I spoke to Jane
[47:25.480 -> 47:29.000] She'd been doing zooms all over the world all day long
[47:29.080 -> 47:35.200] She she's tireless in her efforts to instill hope in all of us and the book is a beautiful example
[47:35.280 -> 47:40.040] It's so gorgeous, but it just made me feel fired up rather than helpless
[47:40.040 -> 47:49.840] Which I think when we're in an isolated way looking at environmental issues, I think we can all go oh god what's the point I can't change anything but you realise we've got much more agency over
[47:49.840 -> 47:53.600] all of this stuff you know there's the obvious thing about voting with your cash and buying
[47:53.600 -> 48:00.720] from companies that are you know doing things in the right way and helping our kids get more
[48:00.720 -> 48:11.000] involved in that conversation but I think they're ahead of the game further than us anyway. But just, you know, that generation, you know, that's just inherently within them.
[48:11.000 -> 48:13.840] So I think we have to have hope because we hear all these awful stats like, you know,
[48:13.840 -> 48:19.200] if we don't lower CO2 emissions by 2030, we're screwed, etc.
[48:19.200 -> 48:20.920] That just makes you go, oh, God, what's the point?
[48:20.920 -> 48:22.760] I'm just going to carry on as normal then.
[48:22.760 -> 48:25.240] But if you apply hope to that, and you see there's wiggle room for change, that's the point? I'm just gonna carry on as normal then but if you apply hope to that and you see there's wiggle room
[48:25.240 -> 48:26.920] For change, that's a different story
[48:26.920 -> 48:32.720] And you know what whether people are listening to this episode as an episode of happy place on your channels furner whether they've come to
[48:32.720 -> 48:37.600] High performance and they're listening on our channels. I really want them to understand that we're not just being trite and saying
[48:37.600 -> 48:41.840] Oh, yeah, you've got to have hope like there is evidence everywhere. You look that hope actually
[48:42.360 -> 48:46.780] Works and makes a difference and if I just think back to some of the guests that we've had we had John McAvoy on
[48:46.780 -> 48:52.600] Our podcast he was the most wanted man in Britain. He was in the high security wing at Belmarsh prison with
[48:53.060 -> 48:56.220] You know terrorists and the very worst types of criminals
[48:56.600 -> 49:02.800] But then he got into sport and it was the hope that sport could save him. That means he's now a free man
[49:02.800 -> 49:05.120] He's a world-class triathlete, he goes into schools
[49:05.120 -> 49:10.000] and he talks to people. Billy Munger, who I know you've spoken to, we've had on our podcast,
[49:10.000 -> 49:16.320] he wakes up, he's had both his legs amputated, what gets him back up on his now prosthetic legs,
[49:16.320 -> 49:20.480] what gets him back in a racing car, what gets him on the podium on his first race back? Well,
[49:20.480 -> 49:24.640] it's hope, isn't it? What was it that meant Tom Daley got over his dad's death from a brain tumour
[49:24.640 -> 49:25.560] when he was a young guy and he still wanted to be an Olympic champion? isn't it? What was it that meant Tom Daley got over his dad's death from a brain tumour when he was a young guy
[49:25.560 -> 49:27.560] and he still wanted to be an Olympic champion?
[49:27.560 -> 49:28.480] It was hope.
[49:28.480 -> 49:30.380] What was it that got Ant Middleton into the Special Forces
[49:30.380 -> 49:31.840] when his dad died when he was a young guy
[49:31.840 -> 49:32.880] and completely derailed him?
[49:32.880 -> 49:33.720] It was hope.
[49:33.720 -> 49:36.840] Like, everywhere you look, every single person has hope.
[49:36.840 -> 49:40.080] Hope and action, I think, is the sort of key.
[49:40.080 -> 49:41.080] We can't just sit there and go,
[49:41.080 -> 49:43.320] I hope one day I become a famous movie star,
[49:43.320 -> 49:44.880] but you don't ever take an acting class.
[49:44.880 -> 49:47.080] You know, you've got to do the action bit.
[49:47.080 -> 49:50.600] But if you do the action bit without the hope, what's that?
[49:50.600 -> 49:51.920] You'll probably give up.
[49:51.920 -> 49:52.920] It just becomes apathy.
[49:52.920 -> 49:54.000] I don't know.
[49:54.000 -> 49:59.600] So it's a really powerful combination, hope and action.
[49:59.600 -> 50:03.760] And like you said, most people that we've probably both, you know, all the guests we've
[50:03.760 -> 50:05.200] had on both podcasts
[50:05.200 -> 50:07.200] have been able to combine the two
[50:07.200 -> 50:11.260] and do some very beautiful things in all different ways.
[50:11.260 -> 50:13.680] Right, can I throw another high performance guest your way?
[50:13.680 -> 50:14.520] Let's do it.
[50:14.520 -> 50:17.040] Adam Peaty, who we all know to be
[50:17.040 -> 50:18.920] probably the greatest British Olympian,
[50:18.920 -> 50:21.560] certainly the greatest British swimmer,
[50:21.560 -> 50:23.860] has an amazing coach called Mel Marshall.
[50:23.860 -> 50:25.240] You can find her on social media. Massive Mel is her username, and she is an amazing coach called Mel Marshall. You can find her on social media.
[50:25.240 -> 50:29.200] Massive Mel is her username and she is an amazing coach.
[50:29.200 -> 50:31.720] She not only coaches the greatest swimmer on the planet,
[50:31.720 -> 50:32.720] but at the same time,
[50:32.720 -> 50:35.480] she works with all kinds of young people in the community,
[50:35.480 -> 50:37.960] getting them swimming, improving their lives.
[50:37.960 -> 50:41.120] And she spoke to us about how her upbringing
[50:41.120 -> 50:42.400] changed her mindset.
[50:42.400 -> 50:44.520] This is Mel Marshall on High Performance.
[50:45.680 -> 50:50.160] Yeah, I mean, it comes from my mum and my dad, really. And Jake, I've heard you talk about,
[50:50.160 -> 50:55.440] you know, your history and your adversity and does that, you know, certainly shape you for
[50:55.440 -> 51:00.320] the future? And I absolutely think it does. You know, my mum, I won't go into too much detail,
[51:00.320 -> 51:05.600] but she's had, you know, a few challenges around physicality over the years. And she sort of
[51:05.600 -> 51:10.560] sat me down when I was about nine years of age, and she looked at me across the kitchen table,
[51:10.560 -> 51:15.440] and she said to me, look, you've got two arms at work, you've got two legs that work, you've got
[51:15.440 -> 51:20.160] energy and you've got enthusiasm. Go out and give the world the very best you've got and don't come
[51:20.160 -> 51:26.920] home until you have. And that was really born in my childhood. And then I have an over-competitive
[51:26.920 -> 51:33.960] father who literally would not want to lose anything. And there was just no mercy. It
[51:33.960 -> 51:37.960] was like, no, you can go and goal and I, the 35-year-old strong man, will strike the ball
[51:37.960 -> 51:42.800] at 100 miles an hour and you will learn to cope. And I, the professional table tennis
[51:42.800 -> 51:49.680] player will not teach you how to serve. I will just serve at you. But that in itself was a life lesson, it was a competitive hurdle
[51:49.680 -> 51:56.400] I had to get over and it was the foundations of me, my competitive, you know, nature really.
[51:56.400 -> 52:00.200] And interestingly, I, you know, I fought and fought and fought and, you know, the day that
[52:00.200 -> 52:02.640] I did beat him, he stopped racing.
[52:02.640 -> 52:05.600] I love that. That's brilliant.
[52:05.600 -> 52:10.940] That's how to build resilience in your children. I mean, my favourite work is you, the professional
[52:10.940 -> 52:14.680] table tennis player. You won't teach me how to serve, you'll just serve at me. I've just
[52:14.680 -> 52:18.520] got this image of this dad, like, powering table tennis balls.
[52:18.520 -> 52:21.880] That's so good. He was obviously smart enough to know that
[52:21.880 -> 52:28.240] she would learn that the only way through that is to be resilient to take the hits to still get up and obviously that's now
[52:28.240 -> 52:31.840] his legacy because she's now working with athletes who are able to do exactly
[52:31.840 -> 52:34.800] the same thing you know they're able to lose and still go back for more and it
[52:34.800 -> 52:38.600] comes back to I would say probably Fern the biggest conversation we have on
[52:38.600 -> 52:41.280] high performance is about the power of resilience.
[52:41.280 -> 52:51.200] Yeah because I often wonder this like if I've ever had a sports personality, and we've had Tom Daley and Jessica Ennis-Hill and Dame Kelly Holmes, and I'm constantly awed of
[52:51.200 -> 52:57.520] people who have had huge setbacks, you know, like when, you know, on several Olympic occasions when
[52:57.520 -> 53:02.160] Tom hasn't come back with a gold medal, how you put yourself back in that position with that amount
[53:02.160 -> 53:07.000] of pressure, I still find just, I don't know, an insurmountable o bresur, rwy'n dal i ddod o hyd i, dwi ddim yn gwybod,
[53:07.000 -> 53:10.000] rwy'n meddwl, dwi ddim yn gwybod a ydych yn rhaid i
[53:10.000 -> 53:13.000] rhai o bobl ymddiriedu y mhobl hwnnw, dwi ddim yn gwybod.
[53:13.000 -> 53:17.000] Ie, fel mae pobl yn siarad am ymddygiad,
[53:17.000 -> 53:20.000] dwi'n debyg bod cyfeiriadau ar bobl mewn busnes a dweud,
[53:20.000 -> 53:23.000] dwi ddim eisiau gweithio ar ymddygiad ein staff.
[53:23.000 -> 53:25.080] Fy nghwest i'w gwestiwn cyntaf yw,. Fy mhrof gwestiwn i'w gilydd yw
[53:25.080 -> 53:26.960] na fyddwn wedi cyflawni unrhyw un sydd angen i fod yn gyflawni
[53:26.960 -> 53:30.000] yn ymwneud â chydnabod, neu'n deallu, neu'n deallu.
[53:30.000 -> 53:32.680] Ond rwyf wedi cyflawni lawer o bobl sydd angen i fod yn gyflawni
[53:32.680 -> 53:36.160] yn ymwneud â gweithio gyda phobl anhygoel neu anhygoel.
[53:36.160 -> 53:39.360] Ac nid dwi'n dweud hynny i fod yn glib,
[53:39.360 -> 53:40.800] ond dwi'n dweud hynny oherwydd rwy'n credu
[53:40.800 -> 53:43.400] un o'r rhan fwyaf o'r pwyntion o'r pobl hyn,
[53:43.400 -> 53:47.280] fel y dywedwch Jessica, neu Tom, neu unrhyw un o'r tywyddion eraill,
[53:47.280 -> 53:49.160] yw eu bod yn ddiogel iddyn nhw,
[53:49.160 -> 53:50.160] pan fyddant yn gwneud gyfraith.
[53:50.160 -> 53:51.840] Nid ydyn nhw'n eu gynnal,
[53:51.840 -> 53:54.880] nid ydyn nhw'n eu gwthio'n ddiddorol.
[53:54.880 -> 53:58.640] Mae'n deimlo bod y gwaith yn rhan o'r ffordd.
[53:58.640 -> 54:00.080] Dwi'n siarad am y ffras,
[54:00.080 -> 54:02.280] maen nhw'n comma, nid ydyn nhw'n stop cyflawn.
[54:02.280 -> 54:06.000] Mae'n amser i'w pausio, i'w ddefnyddio, i'w cynllunioud â'r cyfnod y byddwn ni'n ei wneud. Mae'n ymwneud â'r cyfnod y byddwn ni'n ei wneud. Mae'n ymwneud â'r cyfnod y byddwn ni'n ei wneud.
[54:06.000 -> 54:08.000] Mae'n ymwneud â'r cyfnod y byddwn ni'n ei wneud.
[54:08.000 -> 54:10.000] Mae'n ymwneud â'r cyfnod y byddwn ni'n ei wneud.
[54:10.000 -> 54:12.000] Mae'n ymwneud â'r cyfnod y byddwn ni'n ei wneud.
[54:12.000 -> 54:14.000] Mae'n ymwneud â'r cyfnod y byddwn ni'n ei wneud.
[54:14.000 -> 54:16.000] Mae'n ymwneud â'r cyfnod y byddwn ni'n ei wneud.
[54:16.000 -> 54:18.000] Mae'n ymwneud â'r cyfnod y byddwn ni'n ei wneud.
[54:18.000 -> 54:20.000] Mae'n ymwneud â'r cyfnod y byddwn ni'n ei wneud.
[54:20.000 -> 54:22.000] Mae'n ymwneud â'r cyfnod y byddwn ni'n ei wneud.
[54:22.000 -> 54:24.000] Mae'n ymwneud â'r cyfnod y byddwn ni'n ei wneud.
[54:24.000 -> 54:25.200] Mae'n ymwneud â'r cyfnod y byddwn ni'n ei wneud. Mae'n ymwneud â'r cyfnod y byddwn ni'n ei wneud. myself during that process and maybe for years. I've wasted a lot of time doing that and it's
[54:25.200 -> 54:30.200] still a lesson I'm desperately trying to learn. It's a tough one.
[54:30.200 -> 54:34.080] I think resilience comes in different amounts and sometimes you can be a little bit resilient
[54:34.080 -> 54:38.400] and struggle a bit, other days you can really nail it and I think it actually doesn't matter
[54:38.400 -> 54:42.800] your level of resilience today, the focus is on the fact that tomorrow, because of what's
[54:42.800 -> 54:45.780] happened today, you can and will be more resilient
[54:45.780 -> 54:50.100] Yeah, can I just share one other really quick clip before we go any further from Mel as well?
[54:50.100 -> 54:50.400] Yes
[54:50.400 -> 54:55.340] I think that when you hear someone and this is what this is something I really want particularly your audience and happy place phone
[54:55.340 -> 54:57.340] They haven't heard the high-performance podcast
[54:57.760 -> 55:01.480] Before I really want them to understand that what we love is is how?
[55:02.000 -> 55:05.000] What's happened in your life really does determine the life that you live
[55:05.000 -> 55:06.000] today.
[55:06.000 -> 55:09.480] So Mel had that upbringing where she was really taught resilience from an early age.
[55:09.480 -> 55:13.720] And you could imagine that would also leave her in a place where it's all about the big
[55:13.720 -> 55:14.720] win.
[55:14.720 -> 55:15.840] It's all about the Olympic gold.
[55:15.840 -> 55:18.080] It's all about success on the world stage.
[55:18.080 -> 55:23.080] But as she shared with us, she realizes that that's not what she's here to do.
[55:23.080 -> 55:25.280] Have a listen to this clip.
[55:27.680 -> 55:29.480] There was so many stories of triumphs, but we have this mantra of,
[55:30.400 -> 55:32.280] you're going to go to your Olympics,
[55:32.280 -> 55:33.400] whatever that might be.
[55:33.400 -> 55:35.080] That might be the county championships,
[55:35.080 -> 55:37.040] that might be the actual Olympic games.
[55:37.040 -> 55:39.400] There's no ceilings, there's no boundaries.
[55:39.400 -> 55:41.320] I just want your energy, enthusiasm,
[55:41.320 -> 55:42.960] and your constant commitment,
[55:42.960 -> 55:45.240] and we'll get you to your Olympics, whatever that might be.
[55:45.240 -> 55:47.600] That might be to finish swimming and go on to college.
[55:47.600 -> 55:49.440] That might be to do your A-levels
[55:49.440 -> 55:51.840] and balance that out with swimming at the same time.
[55:51.840 -> 55:54.080] And if I look at what came out of that program,
[55:54.080 -> 55:55.480] I started that program
[55:55.480 -> 55:58.840] and it had 12 regional standard swimmers.
[55:58.840 -> 56:01.240] I had four lanes, I had dodgy lane ropes,
[56:01.240 -> 56:04.560] I had 30 meter pool that had not been emptied in 45 years,
[56:04.560 -> 56:05.600] it would regularly break. And in the end, I left, I had Adam, lane ropes, I had 30 meter pool that had not been emptied in 45 years, would regularly break.
[56:05.600 -> 56:08.600] In the end, I left, I had Adam who won the Olympics,
[56:08.600 -> 56:13.200] I had a young guy called Lewis who got a bronze at the Paralympics in the same year,
[56:13.200 -> 56:15.800] I had two kids on scholarships to America.
[56:15.800 -> 56:19.200] So that's a reminder that we would go,
[56:19.200 -> 56:21.600] oh Mel Marshall, yeah, Olympic swimming coach, but it isn't.
[56:21.600 -> 56:24.200] That's her talking about a community program that she created.
[56:24.200 -> 56:26.060] And I love it when she's you're on
[56:26.060 -> 56:27.480] Euro, it's your own Olympics
[56:27.480 -> 56:33.240] It's just it's literally making you a better person and I think that's a reminder for all of us listening to this, right?
[56:33.240 -> 56:35.740] We're all basically on our own Olympics, right?
[56:35.740 -> 56:39.580] And we've all got different desires and different dreams and I think as we've just said
[56:39.880 -> 56:44.440] Being kind to ourselves is not going to do anything but get us closer to that. Yeah, we've got to do it
[56:44.440 -> 56:50.300] Self-compassion is where it's at. Should we have a final clip of this episode by the way? I'm loving this conversation
[56:50.300 -> 56:55.140] You know, it's so nice bringing two podcasts together. It's really lovely. It's really lovely
[56:55.140 -> 56:58.260] um, the last clip I'd like to go with is actually
[56:58.780 -> 57:03.660] Somebody's become a new friend and someone I literally speak to this person every day now
[57:03.660 -> 57:06.200] And we really didn't know each other much before this.
[57:06.200 -> 57:08.600] But I think we kind of understood,
[57:08.600 -> 57:11.240] we shared a lot of similarities in our experience
[57:11.240 -> 57:13.720] over the years, and also, you know,
[57:13.720 -> 57:15.520] the struggles that we've had mentally,
[57:15.520 -> 57:17.360] and that is Saran Jones.
[57:18.400 -> 57:20.320] I used to be very much like,
[57:20.320 -> 57:23.080] well, I can't go, because I haven't got anything to wear,
[57:23.080 -> 57:29.240] with a wardrobe full of things to wear. I'm gonna sweat, I'm gonna say something idiotic,
[57:29.240 -> 57:35.840] I'm gonna do the weird posh queen voice that I do sometimes, it's ridiculous. I
[57:35.840 -> 57:41.520] went to this event once, so embarrassing, I can't tell you which one so people can't look it up.
[57:41.520 -> 57:46.000] Someone asked me to give them an award and I was like,
[57:46.000 -> 57:51.840] oh okay, this person was quite, you know, I thought that's quite spunky, great, I'll
[57:51.840 -> 57:55.920] go and do that. At the moment I got the invitation but that was the best bit
[57:55.920 -> 58:00.920] and I should have left it there, hung the invitation up and not gone. Anyway I
[58:00.920 -> 58:06.480] ended up going. I looked very odd because I was in a panic. Everyone I met,
[58:06.480 -> 58:10.120] and there was some really great people there too, that I would have just loved to have
[58:10.120 -> 58:16.040] had a normal conversation with. I stared at like I wanted to kill them because I was so
[58:16.040 -> 58:22.080] frightened of being there. The sweat started to happen and then the voice came out and
[58:22.080 -> 58:27.280] I was like, oh my God, stop doing that. But I was talking like this to people.
[58:27.280 -> 58:30.720] Oh my God. It must have been this,
[58:30.720 -> 58:34.280] everything screaming inside, run away, run away.
[58:34.280 -> 58:39.080] Or is it what I wanted them to see came out like that?
[58:39.080 -> 58:40.880] Because it wasn't obviously authentic.
[58:40.880 -> 58:46.080] So my body was having such a fucking laugh at me and saying right
[58:46.080 -> 58:49.360] well I'm gonna make sound like this then because you need to get home and get in
[58:49.360 -> 58:54.160] your pajamas. Your authentic self's in the bath. In the bath having the best time
[58:54.160 -> 59:00.560] copying Garcia. Yeah loving life. See that is me the best bit is always
[59:00.560 -> 59:10.720] getting the invite I don't want to go but I want the invite. But isn't it, it kind of almost takes us back to the very start of this whole episode when
[59:10.720 -> 59:14.840] we heard from Johnny Wilkinson and we talked about not being affected by outside influences.
[59:14.840 -> 59:20.240] All of that is her being affected by those around and having to live a life that is not
[59:20.240 -> 59:24.120] authentic and is not real. And if there's one thing that I want people to get out of
[59:24.120 -> 59:25.360] listening to Happy Place Ferd
[59:25.360 -> 59:27.000] or listening to the High Performance Podcast,
[59:27.000 -> 59:29.960] it is making that decision from tomorrow,
[59:29.960 -> 59:32.600] 1st of January, 2022,
[59:32.600 -> 59:34.880] I'm gonna try and live a life of real authenticity.
[59:34.880 -> 59:36.160] If I don't wanna go to an event,
[59:36.160 -> 59:39.880] I'm not gonna feel that other people make me have to go.
[59:39.880 -> 59:40.720] No.
[59:40.720 -> 59:43.720] It's far better to make a bad decision you believe in
[59:43.720 -> 59:45.400] than a good decision that is not true to you
[59:45.400 -> 59:52.820] I really firmly believe that yeah, I agree. That's exactly why I went to zero Christmas parties in December
[59:53.320 -> 59:54.280] I
[59:54.280 -> 59:56.280] Wonder why you never applied to the invite
[59:56.880 -> 59:58.560] Haha, I like being at home
[59:58.560 -> 59:59.200] I think you know
[59:59.200 -> 01:00:04.600] We're all probably at the age now where we know ourselves way better than we did in our 20s and I used to rally against
[01:00:04.680 -> 01:00:07.960] Myself I've got to be like this present myself like this this
[01:00:07.960 -> 01:00:11.860] is how people expect me to be at this age or at this point in my life now I
[01:00:11.860 -> 01:00:17.200] sort of I do care a lot less and I just do what makes me feel right and a lot of
[01:00:17.200 -> 01:00:21.440] the time that's being at home I love being at home we often talk don't we
[01:00:21.440 -> 01:00:26.000] Jake on like one of the phrases we use when we speak to people on the podcast Dyna'r rhai o'r ffraseau rydyn ni'n defnyddio pan ydyn ni'n siarad gyda phobl ar y podcast yw
[01:00:26.000 -> 01:00:32.000] seasonau, rhesymau a bywydau. Pan ddweudwn am ein cymdeithas o bobl rydyn ni'n ymweld â,
[01:00:32.000 -> 01:00:37.000] mae rhai o'n gyda ni ar gyfer gafoddau penodol, mae rhai o'n gyda ni ar gyfer amser o'n bywydau,
[01:00:37.000 -> 01:00:42.000] ac yna mae'r rhai allanol sy'n mynd i fod gyda ni ar y holl ffyrdd drwy ein bywydau.
[01:00:42.000 -> 01:00:46.740] Ac rwy'n credu, yr hyn rydyn ni'n ei ddod yn aml yn ein cyfrifiadau,
[01:00:46.740 -> 01:00:50.500] yw'r bobl sy'n wirioneddol yn mannu i chi
[01:00:50.500 -> 01:00:51.340] a i chi,
[01:00:51.340 -> 01:00:53.300] sy'r unau rydyn ni eisiau i chi gynnwys eich amser.
[01:00:53.300 -> 01:00:55.060] Ac rydych chi'n mynd yn fwy sefydlog
[01:00:55.060 -> 01:00:57.260] o ran pan fyddwch chi'n mynd i wasgu'r amser.
[01:00:57.260 -> 01:00:58.020] Rydw i'n mynd i ddweud,
[01:00:58.020 -> 01:01:00.660] Ffern, o'r holl podcastau rydych chi wedi'u gwneud ym mis hwn,
[01:01:00.660 -> 01:01:03.420] y gyfran gyda Saran oedd y cyfan sydd wedi cael
[01:01:03.420 -> 01:01:04.620] y mwyaf o effaith arnaf i mi,
[01:01:04.620 -> 01:01:05.120] oherwydd ddewisodd eisiau, nid miliwn o ffyrdd gyda Saran oedd y ffyrdd sydd wedi cael y mwyaf o effaith ar i mi oherwydd
[01:01:05.120 -> 01:01:09.920] ddewisodd ddewis ychydig miliwyr o ffyrdd o ble ddewisodd ddewis, felly rwyf wedi cael rhai ffrindiau o
[01:01:09.920 -> 01:01:26.000] fi a ffrindiau o'i f i iddo, wrth i iddo,
[01:01:26.000 -> 01:01:28.000] wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo,
[01:01:28.000 -> 01:01:30.000] wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo,
[01:01:30.000 -> 01:01:32.000] wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo,
[01:01:32.000 -> 01:01:34.000] wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo,
[01:01:34.000 -> 01:01:36.000] wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo,
[01:01:36.000 -> 01:01:38.000] wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo,
[01:01:38.000 -> 01:01:40.000] wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo,
[01:01:40.000 -> 01:01:42.000] wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo,
[01:01:42.000 -> 01:01:44.000] wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo,
[01:01:44.000 -> 01:01:47.440] wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, wrth i iddo, that the guests who come on are willing to sort of go there and Saran was a prime example of that
[01:01:47.440 -> 01:01:49.480] and it was amazing to hear her talk
[01:01:49.480 -> 01:01:52.280] about her own mental health properly for the first time.
[01:01:52.280 -> 01:01:54.160] She'd done it via the medium of I Am Victoria,
[01:01:54.160 -> 01:01:55.600] which is a sublime piece of work,
[01:01:55.600 -> 01:01:58.840] but it was wonderful to hear her talk so openly.
[01:01:58.840 -> 01:02:00.120] So yeah, I feel very lucky,
[01:02:00.120 -> 01:02:01.640] like I'm sure you both do as well,
[01:02:01.640 -> 01:02:04.720] for we get to do this all the time, lucky us.
[01:02:04.720 -> 01:02:06.480] Can I ask you a quick question fan? Yeah, go on
[01:02:06.480 -> 01:02:10.320] You may not remember this but I do we went for a walk in Richmond Park just before I left London
[01:02:11.520 -> 01:02:17.120] Quite a while ago and I remember you saying you it was a throwaway thing where you went look, you know
[01:02:17.120 -> 01:02:20.800] The CBBC I was really unhappy and I struggled with eating and had loads of issues
[01:02:21.360 -> 01:02:25.840] And I just went as everyone does it. I went, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, yeah.
[01:02:25.840 -> 01:02:28.000] I had no idea, basically.
[01:02:28.000 -> 01:02:29.800] I just saw you as like ultra successful,
[01:02:29.800 -> 01:02:31.200] you were the one doing top of the pops,
[01:02:31.200 -> 01:02:32.900] you were the one that was on all the magazines,
[01:02:32.900 -> 01:02:34.400] and you were the one that everyone aspired to be,
[01:02:34.400 -> 01:02:35.500] and I had absolutely no idea
[01:02:35.500 -> 01:02:39.000] that that was actually what your experience was.
[01:02:39.000 -> 01:02:41.400] And then you kind of can't help but think,
[01:02:41.400 -> 01:02:42.400] why didn't I see that?
[01:02:42.400 -> 01:02:44.900] Why was I sort of blind to that?
[01:02:44.900 -> 01:02:50.820] But really, I'm just wondering whether you are the happiest that you've ever been because from the outside again
[01:02:50.820 -> 01:02:53.220] I think you are you seem so
[01:02:54.180 -> 01:02:56.640] Like I don't know you just seem in such a brilliant place
[01:02:56.960 -> 01:03:01.400] Not without its challenges because life always does yeah, but I kind of don't want to get it wrong again
[01:03:01.400 -> 01:03:15.440] If you know, I mean, I think it's really tricky to tell because even in the times where I was, you know, in the thick of a sort of 10-year eating disorder or going through some way more challenging stuff in my sort of late 20s, early 30s with my own mental health,
[01:03:15.440 -> 01:03:22.880] although I'm not in that headspace anymore, thankfully, there were some really happy moments within all of that.
[01:03:22.880 -> 01:03:25.880] I think, again, we try and sort of compartmentalize years
[01:03:25.880 -> 01:03:28.320] and go, that was a bad year, this was a good year.
[01:03:28.320 -> 01:03:32.120] But there were times that were deeply challenging and sad
[01:03:32.120 -> 01:03:37.120] and, you know, just very bumpy sort of territory.
[01:03:37.280 -> 01:03:38.600] But then there were little sparks
[01:03:38.600 -> 01:03:40.680] of amazingness within that.
[01:03:40.680 -> 01:03:42.960] I think now my life is more sort of level.
[01:03:42.960 -> 01:03:45.700] There's less huge ups and downs, which I
[01:03:46.300 -> 01:03:49.980] Like I'm I'm imagining I sort of cult I've cultivated that
[01:03:50.580 -> 01:03:53.880] To some degree as well as age bringing that to the forefront
[01:03:54.520 -> 01:03:59.840] But yeah, I think I am but then often I think about my childhood a lot and think I was well good being a kid
[01:03:59.840 -> 01:04:01.840] It was so easy
[01:04:01.860 -> 01:04:06.500] So I don't know all I know is that I'm back to feeling optimistic
[01:04:06.500 -> 01:04:09.500] and I had a big period of my life where I was not.
[01:04:09.500 -> 01:04:12.000] And I've probably 10 years where I was not optimistic,
[01:04:12.000 -> 01:04:13.300] but that's back.
[01:04:13.300 -> 01:04:15.200] So that's cool.
[01:04:15.200 -> 01:04:16.500] How about you?
[01:04:16.500 -> 01:04:19.700] I am honestly the happiest I've ever been.
[01:04:19.700 -> 01:04:22.200] I think that my life has been totally turned on its head
[01:04:22.200 -> 01:04:24.600] by creating this podcast with Damien.
[01:04:24.600 -> 01:04:25.520] And I think the big, my been totally turned on its head by creating this podcast with Damien and I think the big
[01:04:25.960 -> 01:04:31.200] My sort of big message for people who listen to high performance and those that listen to happy place, right?
[01:04:31.200 -> 01:04:35.800] Is that that is how I feel today, but it might be different in March 2022. It might be
[01:04:36.480 -> 01:04:38.480] Exactly the same in October 2022
[01:04:38.520 -> 01:04:43.120] But I'm I really love this old stoic phrase that no man steps in the same river twice
[01:04:43.320 -> 01:04:45.280] Because the river changes and so does the man
[01:04:45.440 -> 01:04:48.320] So the three of us having just sat and had this conversation for an hour
[01:04:48.320 -> 01:04:51.660] We're different people to the people that that started this conversation
[01:04:51.660 -> 01:04:54.960] Even if it's only a tiny small nuanced change in your mindset
[01:04:55.040 -> 01:04:57.820] And I think that my message for people is that is the greatest thing
[01:04:57.820 -> 01:04:59.820] So if you are in a really good place
[01:05:00.220 -> 01:05:05.100] Don't fall into the trap of thinking you're going to be in that great place forever and that you've got it sorted and you've nailed
[01:05:05.100 -> 01:05:09.640] life and it's all going to be easy because then when the difficult times come it derails you because you're not expecting them and
[01:05:09.640 -> 01:05:14.820] You're not prepared for them and equally if you are in a difficult place and it's the end of 2021 and it's been a hard
[01:05:14.820 -> 01:05:15.940] year for you
[01:05:15.940 -> 01:05:16.940] and you know
[01:05:16.940 -> 01:05:20.420] you're coming to podcasts like high performance or happy place just to try and
[01:05:20.820 -> 01:05:25.160] Inject that optimism and that fit sense of possibility into your life.
[01:05:25.160 -> 01:05:29.180] I would just say that don't think that this lasts forever either. Nothing's
[01:05:29.180 -> 01:05:33.060] permanent, everything changes and hopefully that will sort of help people
[01:05:33.060 -> 01:05:37.380] in the new year. How about you Damien? Well if you don't mind Fern I'd like to
[01:05:37.380 -> 01:05:41.060] ask you a question that I've heard you speak about. These psychologists Fern can never talk
[01:05:41.060 -> 01:05:48.640] about themselves. I'm going to collect a question back at you. No, no, I won't, I will answer it in a moment. Mae'r cwestiwn y byddwn yn ei ddweud ar hyn o bryd, ond mae cwestiwn y byddwn wedi clywed eich rhif
[01:05:48.640 -> 01:05:54.240] ychydig o weithiau a fydd yn helpu pobl i fwytho ar hyn o bryd, yn ystod y newydd,
[01:05:54.240 -> 01:05:58.480] y byddwn yn gwneud cyfres newydd o'r holl beth y byddwn yn ei wneud a'i gynhyrchu.
[01:05:59.200 -> 01:06:04.320] Un o'r ffrasau rwy'n mwynhau yw bod yna adolygiadwyr gweithredu yn ei gynhyrchu gyda Jim Collins,
[01:06:04.320 -> 01:06:05.280] sy'n siarad am ychydig o bethau na fyddai'n eu gwneud,asau rwy'n mwynhau yw bod yna ysgrifennwr gyrfa o ran gymhwysodau a ddweud am
[01:06:05.280 -> 01:06:11.760] ychydig o bethau na fyddant yn eu gwneud, na fyddant yn eu cymryd, na fyddant yn eu cymryd
[01:06:11.760 -> 01:06:15.920] yn eu bywydau. Rwyf wedi clywed chi siarad am eich bod chi'n gwneud penderfyniadau sy'n
[01:06:15.920 -> 01:06:48.080] cywir iawn i ffwrdd o ran aspectau o'ch gyrfa. Rwy'n mwynhau y ffyrdd ymwneud â'r fath sy'n ymwneud â'r fath sy'n ymwneud â'r fath sy'n ymwneud â'r fath sy'n ymwneud â'r fath sy'n ymwneud â'r fath sy'n ymwneud â'r fath sy'n ymwneud â'r fath sy'n ymwneud â'r fath sy'n ymwneud â'r fath sy'n ymwneud â'r fath sy'n ymwneud â'r fath sy'n ymwneud ag y byddwn yn ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'n ymwneud ag y fath sy'r fath sy'r fath sy'r f to still having pretty bad panic attacks with certain things related to work, I don't feel
[01:06:48.080 -> 01:06:51.840] like I can put myself in that position yet. I'm not saying it's forever, like you were
[01:06:51.840 -> 01:06:55.520] just saying Jake, that might change, you know, next year or in 10 years I might think, you
[01:06:55.520 -> 01:07:00.520] know what, I'm gonna, I could do live TV again, I could get myself out and do that and not
[01:07:00.520 -> 01:07:08.000] go into absolute sheer panic. But at the moment, so those decisions felt almost out of my hands.
[01:07:08.000 -> 01:07:12.000] The decision-making bit was like, what the fuck am I going to do?
[01:07:12.000 -> 01:07:16.000] And luckily I'd started writing things down and that turned into a book
[01:07:16.000 -> 01:07:18.000] and that's turned into this podcast, etc.
[01:07:18.000 -> 01:07:22.000] So at one point I did feel like I don't know what else I can do.
[01:07:22.000 -> 01:07:25.680] I just know I can't do X, Y, and Z.
[01:07:25.680 -> 01:07:28.480] There have been sort of smaller circumstances
[01:07:28.480 -> 01:07:30.120] where I've walked away quite peacefully
[01:07:30.120 -> 01:07:32.640] and felt like, yeah, it's just time, it's all good.
[01:07:32.640 -> 01:07:33.880] But a lot of them have been,
[01:07:33.880 -> 01:07:36.800] I physically can't put myself in this position.
[01:07:36.800 -> 01:07:38.580] Of course, I'd like to one day get to the place
[01:07:38.580 -> 01:07:41.320] where I have more autonomy over those decisions
[01:07:41.320 -> 01:07:43.440] and think, actually, I'd like to give this a go,
[01:07:43.440 -> 01:07:50.880] but I'm not there yet. And, you's kind of that's fine that's I'm willing to put
[01:07:50.880 -> 01:07:54.280] more work in I'm willing to share what that work is so it can help other people
[01:07:54.280 -> 01:07:57.520] I'm willing to talk about it with others so it can hopefully help other people
[01:07:57.520 -> 01:08:03.720] but I'm not there yet and I like to share that because I think too often the
[01:08:03.720 -> 01:08:08.480] conversation is I used to be there so used to be depressed or anxious and now Ac rwy'n hoffi rannu hynny oherwydd rwy'n credu bod y cyfrifiad yn dweud o'r blaen, roeddwn i'n ymwneud â hyn, roeddwn i'n ymwneud â'r depression, roeddwn i'n anxious, ac nawr rwy'n cael fy nhrebu ac rwy'n yma.
[01:08:08.480 -> 01:08:11.600] Rwy'n ymwneud â'r ffyrdd o'i gilydd, rwy'n ymwneud â'i gweithio allan.
[01:08:11.600 -> 01:08:15.840] Ac rwy'n weithio allan gan dod allan o bethau sy'n gwneud i mi gael atgaflenni panic.
[01:08:15.840 -> 01:08:19.520] Felly dydw i ddim wedi cael un am ychydig mlynedd.
[01:08:19.520 -> 01:08:22.240] Felly ie, rwy'n teimlo'r cyfnod fel y byddwn i'n mynd ymlaen.
[01:08:22.240 -> 01:08:30.720] Brif. Oh, wel, diol Thanks for answering that So honestly because I because I've heard you speak about it and I always think sometimes making a list of the things we don't want
[01:08:30.720 -> 01:08:35.160] To do can it be as powerful as the things that we do want to incorporate into our lives?
[01:08:35.160 -> 01:08:40.420] It goes back to self-compassion, you know, I could put myself in the position of going on live TV
[01:08:40.560 -> 01:08:48.000] But that's that's without any self-compassion. That's like are you idiot? Why can't you do it? Make yourself do it, just go through it, have a panic attack, it's fine and then just
[01:08:48.000 -> 01:08:53.160] get the job done. Whereas I think self-compassion is making really tough calls like that where
[01:08:53.160 -> 01:08:58.120] you go, I can't put myself in that position anymore and it's not like I was going, yay
[01:08:58.120 -> 01:09:03.400] I'm not going to do live TV or radio anymore. There were tears over all of that, you know
[01:09:03.400 -> 01:09:08.880] it's painful, your ego gets busted slightly because you're like, well, why can't everyone else do it and I
[01:09:08.880 -> 01:09:13.440] can't cope, you know. They're not easy things to walk away from, but if you know they're
[01:09:13.440 -> 01:09:19.160] not making you feel good, I think you have to apply self-compassion and then, you know,
[01:09:19.160 -> 01:09:23.640] make a decision that can go for relationships, friendship dynamics, you know, geographically
[01:09:23.640 -> 01:09:47.000] where you live maybe. It can relate to all sorts of things. If it's not working for you I gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, mae'n mynd i mewn i'r brin o anoddiaeth,
[01:09:47.000 -> 01:09:49.000] fel argyfwng.
[01:09:49.000 -> 01:09:51.000] Roedd gen i ddimascwm
[01:09:51.000 -> 01:09:53.000] pan oedd fy mhobl yn dod i mewn
[01:09:53.000 -> 01:09:55.000] a roedd rhywun yn gofyn,
[01:09:55.000 -> 01:09:57.000] sut y byddwch chi'n teimlo
[01:09:57.000 -> 01:09:59.000] os oedd rhywun yn sôn i'ch myfyrwyr
[01:09:59.000 -> 01:10:01.000] yn yr un ffordd rydych chi'n sôn i chi?
[01:10:01.000 -> 01:10:03.000] Ac roeddwn i'n clywed hynny
[01:10:03.000 -> 01:10:27.000] yn y ffynon o, man up, dweud, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, yw, ywithaf, gobeithio y bydd y plant yn ei weld ac yn ymweld â'i. Felly, gwneud hyn wedi bod yn ddiddorol fwy.
[01:10:27.000 -> 01:10:29.520] Felly, gweithio gyda ti, Jake, ac weithio gyda ti heddiw, Fern,
[01:10:29.520 -> 01:10:30.320] wedi bod yn ddiddorol fwy.
[01:10:30.320 -> 01:10:33.080] Felly, rydw i'n ceisio ei wneud o, yw'n mhwysig?
[01:10:33.080 -> 01:10:34.120] Yw'n gwneud gwahaniaeth?
[01:10:34.120 -> 01:10:36.240] Ac yw'n o le o'r ddiddorol?
[01:10:36.240 -> 01:10:39.040] Ac os yw'n cyflwyno'r criteria hynny,
[01:10:39.040 -> 01:10:40.520] dwi'n dweud yn aml i'w gwneud.
[01:10:40.520 -> 01:10:42.200] Felly, ie, rydw i'n hoffi.
[01:10:42.200 -> 01:10:44.160] Felly, Fern, gallwch weld pa mor dda yw'r proffessor
[01:10:44.160 -> 01:10:45.520] ar y cyfrifoldeb, dwi'n dweud.
[01:10:45.520 -> 01:10:46.320] Oh, mae'n ddiddorol.
[01:10:46.320 -> 01:10:47.280] Rwy'n hefyd yn ddiddorol iawn
[01:10:47.280 -> 01:10:48.320] fod yn ystod y cyfrifiad,
[01:10:48.320 -> 01:11:06.360] rydych chi'n gallu cyflawni pâi minced happy place. I hope you've enjoyed delving a bit deeper into high performance
[01:11:07.080 -> 01:11:10.640] Obviously this conversation is on happy place. It's also on high performance
[01:11:10.640 -> 01:11:11.440] so
[01:11:11.440 -> 01:11:16.340] Maybe we should just start by telling the people who don't normally hear us a bit more about what we do and how they can
[01:11:16.340 -> 01:11:21.520] Find it and ladies first. Okay, so happy place you can find wherever you get your podcast
[01:11:21.520 -> 01:11:29.540] We also have our own Instagram account where you can find out what we're doing outside of the podcast. So we're charging ahead with
[01:11:29.540 -> 01:11:35.320] our summer festivals again next year. We put on two big well-being events each summer,
[01:11:35.320 -> 01:11:39.460] one in London, one in Manchester, so you can find out what's going on there. We also publish
[01:11:39.460 -> 01:11:43.440] books on Happy Place Books, and we've got some new titles coming out next year, which
[01:11:43.440 -> 01:11:47.340] is very exciting, as well as just some sort of nice little online initiatives
[01:11:47.340 -> 01:11:49.140] which hopefully bring together our community.
[01:11:49.140 -> 01:11:53.020] So you can find us at happyplaceofficial on Instagram.
[01:11:53.020 -> 01:11:54.500] Well, if you're listening to Happy Place
[01:11:54.500 -> 01:11:55.340] and you don't know anything
[01:11:55.340 -> 01:11:57.260] about the High Performance Podcast,
[01:11:57.260 -> 01:11:58.920] it's hosted by myself, Jay Cumphrey,
[01:11:58.920 -> 01:12:00.420] Professor Damian Hughes,
[01:12:00.420 -> 01:12:03.420] who is an expert in high performance team cultures
[01:12:03.420 -> 01:12:05.000] and is an honorary professor at Manchester University. And we release every single week on a Monday. ac mae'n proffesor ar y Brifysgol Manchester. Ac rydyn ni'n gadael bob dydd ar y ffwrdd, ar y diwrnod.
[01:12:05.000 -> 01:12:08.000] Rydyn ni'n mynd ar y torf yn 2022, os ydych chi eisiau i mewn i ni.
[01:12:08.000 -> 01:12:11.000] Gallwch ein troi ar Instagram at High Performance.
[01:12:11.000 -> 01:12:13.000] Gallwch gau'n llyfr, ar unrhyw le rydych chi'n cael eich llyfrau.
[01:12:13.000 -> 01:12:15.000] Ac rhaid i mi eisiau gwneud i Damien ddweud i chi
[01:12:15.000 -> 01:12:18.000] sut y gallwch ei ddilyn ar Instagram, oherwydd mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud hynny.
[01:12:18.000 -> 01:12:20.000] Mae'n hoffi cwod, mae'n proffesor.
[01:12:20.000 -> 01:12:23.000] Na, dwi'n hoffi ddreud.
[01:12:23.000 -> 01:12:30.280] Felly rydw i ar Instagram at liquid thinker and I like
[01:12:30.280 -> 01:12:34.680] sharing sort of ideas that I might pick up and hopefully help people to
[01:12:34.680 -> 01:12:39.840] incorporate it themselves happy new year guys happy new year you lovely people
[01:12:39.840 -> 01:12:43.840] everyone listening and Damien and Jake thank you I so enjoyed talking to you
[01:12:43.840 -> 01:12:54.220] today likewise. Thanks Fern. Damien, Jake that's it mate we have wrapped up 2021 I'm not
[01:12:54.220 -> 01:12:58.180] sure how many episodes we've done but it's been a lot of them and that was a
[01:12:58.180 -> 01:13:01.720] really nice way to end the year wasn't it? Yeah really nice it was it's sometimes
[01:13:01.720 -> 01:13:06.520] nice as Fern said just to take take stock and reflect on where you've been what you've learned and what you're going to take forward into the year Mae'n ddiddorol iawn, mae'n ddiddorol iawn, fel dweud Ffern, i ddod yn ffocs a chyflwyno ar y lle rydych chi wedi bod,
[01:13:06.520 -> 01:13:07.360] yr hyn rydych chi wedi dysgu,
[01:13:07.360 -> 01:13:09.360] a'r hyn rydych chi'n mynd i'w dynnu i'r blwyddyn ddiweddar.
[01:13:09.360 -> 01:13:12.120] Felly dwi'n hoffi ddweud diolch i chi,
[01:13:12.120 -> 01:13:15.360] a diolch i bawb sydd wedi cael y gwirionedd,
[01:13:15.360 -> 01:13:17.400] a'r amser, a'r gwybodaeth i ddod i'r ffwrdd
[01:13:17.400 -> 01:13:20.800] a mynd i'n ymuno gyda ni ym mis hwnnw ar ein bywydau cyffredinol.
[01:13:20.800 -> 01:13:22.920] A byddwn i'n ddweud hynny'n unig.
[01:13:22.920 -> 01:13:26.200] Diolch i chi iawn i chi'n gynllunio'r gymuned cyffredinol. Mae pobl yn dweud i Damien a fi, journey and I would absolutely echo that. Thank you so much for really for you building
[01:13:26.200 -> 01:13:29.400] the high-performance community, you know, people say to Damien and myself, oh, you've
[01:13:29.400 -> 01:13:33.000] created something great with high-performance, but we have not created it. We've just had
[01:13:33.000 -> 01:13:37.760] the conversations. It's all of you sharing it, talking about it, buying the book, coming
[01:13:37.760 -> 01:13:42.400] to the live events. You're the ones that have really created this community and 2021 has
[01:13:42.400 -> 01:13:45.300] been an amazing year for us. I really hope that 2022 for all
[01:13:45.300 -> 01:13:50.640] of us is going to be even better. And absolutely big thanks to you for supporting and being
[01:13:50.640 -> 01:13:55.500] part of high performance. Huge, huge thanks for the hard work of Finn Ryan and the rest
[01:13:55.500 -> 01:14:01.300] of the team at Rethink Audio to Will O'Connor to Hannah Smith to Eve Hill and everyone who
[01:14:01.300 -> 01:14:05.600] along the way has stepped up and helped us on high performance. And
[01:14:05.600 -> 01:14:10.520] all we'd like to say for the end of 2021 is as we do at the end of every episode, remember
[01:14:10.520 -> 01:14:15.200] there is no secret. It is all there for you. Be your own biggest cheerleader, make world
[01:14:15.200 -> None] class basics your calling card see you in 2022. you