E80 - Jenson Button: Going through the gears to succeed

Jenson Button is a former F1 world champion and one of the greatest racing drivers of his generation. Jenson grew up as part of a motor-racing-mad family under the guidance of his father, John, arriving at Williams as a 20 year-old, to being written off by some as a playboy and his fight back to the very pinnacle of his sport winning the world championship with Brawn GP in 2009

Since retiring Jenson owns a team in the electric off-road series, Extreme E will help revive Radford, the famed British coachbuilding outfit. 

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Sure, here is a summary of the podcast episode:

**Summary of the Podcast Episode**

* **Guest:** Jenson Button, former Formula One world champion
* **Topics:** High performance, parenting, failure, and perception
* **Key Points:**
* High performance is about finding the edge and extracting the maximum out of oneself in every way possible.
* Communication and creating a supportive team environment are crucial for success.
* Parents should be supportive and nurturing, but not pushy.
* Failure is a necessary part of growth and development.
* External perception can be frustrating, but it's important to focus on one's own performance and goals.
* **Memorable Quotes:**
* "High performance was about extracting the maximum out of me every way possible." - Jenson Button
* "My dad would always say if it's, we had a bad weekend, which we would have had especially when I turn into a teenager you know you suddenly find the opposite sex attractive and and racing kind of is on the back burner a little bit and he would turn around and say Jensen if you're not into it right now he said we can take a break or if you want to stop, stop." - Jenson Button
* "I think it's the nurturing. And I see it as a father with my kids. I want to nurture them, and I don't want to push them in any direction." - Jenson Button
* "Formula One is a mental game. Pretty much every guy on the grid is super talented. It's just if their head is in the right space." - Jenson Button
* "And I think that just added to the excitement for the whole team. And I've never seen so many grown men cry." - Jenson Button
* **Overall Message:**
* High performance is achieved through hard work, dedication, and a supportive environment. Failure is a natural part of the process, and it's important to learn from mistakes and move forward. External perception can be distracting, but it's important to stay focused on one's own goals and aspirations.

**Additional Notes:**

* This summary is based on the transcript of the podcast episode.
* The podcast episode is available on various platforms, including Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts.
* The podcast is hosted by Jake Humphrey and Darren Gough.

# Navigating Formula One: A Journey of Triumphs, Challenges, and Personal Growth with Jenson Button

## Introduction:

This podcast episode delves into the remarkable career of Jenson Button, a former Formula One world champion and one of the most celebrated drivers of his generation. Jenson's journey is a captivating tale of resilience, self-discovery, and the pursuit of excellence in a high-stakes sport.

## Overcoming Early Criticism and Proving His Worth:

Jenson Button's early years in Formula One were marked by skepticism and criticism. Labeled as a playboy by some, he faced immense pressure to perform and prove his worth. However, Jenson remained steadfast in his determination, using the criticism as fuel to push himself further.

## Finding a Supportive Team and Thriving at BAR:

A pivotal moment in Jenson's career came when he joined the BAR team. This move provided him with a supportive environment where he felt valued and appreciated. The team's positive culture and belief in his abilities allowed Jenson to flourish, leading to a string of impressive performances.

## The Championship-Winning Season with Brawn GP:

In 2009, Jenson Button achieved the pinnacle of his career by winning the Formula One World Championship with Brawn GP. This remarkable feat was a testament to Jenson's unwavering focus, determination, and the strength of the team around him. The victory marked a significant milestone in Jenson's journey, solidifying his status as a world-class driver.

## Importance of Mental Health and Openness in High-Pressure Environments:

Throughout his career, Jenson Button struggled with mental health challenges, including anxiety attacks. He emphasizes the importance of seeking support and being open about mental struggles, especially in high-pressure environments like Formula One. Jenson's candidness about his experiences serves as an inspiration to others facing similar challenges.

## The Value of Constructive Criticism and Learning from Mistakes:

Jenson Button stresses the importance of embracing constructive criticism and using it as an opportunity for growth. He believes that being open to feedback and willing to learn from mistakes is crucial for continuous improvement and achieving success.

## Building a Healthy Team Culture and Positive Relationships:

Jenson Button emphasizes the significance of fostering a healthy team culture and positive relationships. He believes that creating an environment where individuals feel valued, supported, and encouraged to learn and grow is essential for team success.

## Key Traits for Success in High-Performance Environments:

Jenson Button identifies several key traits that are essential for success in high-performance environments:

- **Willingness to Learn and Adapt:** Continuously seeking knowledge, embracing new ideas, and adapting to changing circumstances.

- **Openness to Constructive Criticism:** Accepting feedback gracefully, using it to improve, and not taking it personally.

- **Resilience and Perseverance:** Overcoming setbacks, learning from mistakes, and maintaining a positive attitude in the face of challenges.

- **Surrounding Yourself with a Supportive Team:** Building a network of trusted individuals who provide encouragement, guidance, and support.

## Advice for Aspiring Athletes and Individuals Seeking Success:

Jenson Button offers valuable advice for aspiring athletes and individuals seeking success in their chosen fields:

- **Pursue Your Passion:** Find something you genuinely love and are passionate about, as this will fuel your motivation and drive.

- **Embrace Challenges:** View challenges as opportunities for growth and learning, rather than obstacles to be avoided.

- **Surround Yourself with Positive Influences:** Seek out mentors, coaches, and peers who inspire and support you on your journey.

- **Never Give Up on Your Dreams:** Stay persistent, work hard, and never let setbacks discourage you from pursuing your goals.

## Conclusion:

Jenson Button's journey in Formula One is a captivating tale of resilience, self-discovery, and the pursuit of excellence. His candidness about his struggles with mental health and his emphasis on the importance of a supportive team culture serve as valuable lessons for anyone seeking success in high-pressure environments. Jenson's advice and insights provide a roadmap for aspiring athletes and individuals seeking to achieve their full potential.

# Jenson Button's High-Performance Mindset and Formula One Success: Insights from the High-Performance Podcast

### Introduction:
In this episode of the High-Performance Podcast, Jake Humphrey and Damien Hughes engage in a captivating conversation with Formula One legend Jenson Button, delving into his remarkable career, unique driving style, and the lessons he's learned throughout his journey. The discussion highlights Button's exceptional talent, his ability to adapt to challenging conditions, and the resilience he developed in the face of failures.

### Key Points:
1. **Jenson Button's Driving Style:**
- Button's driving style was distinct from other drivers. He modulated the brake and throttle to maintain control and avoid locking the wheels.
- He focused on feeling the car through his senses rather than relying solely on visual cues, allowing him to excel in mixed conditions.

2. **Adapting to Mixed Conditions:**
- Button's strength lay in his ability to perform exceptionally well in mixed conditions, such as wet or slippery tracks.
- He attributed this strength to his unique driving style, which allowed him to sense the car's behavior and adjust his driving accordingly.

3. **Learning from Failures:**
- Button emphasized the importance of embracing failures and learning from them, rather than dwelling on them.
- He acknowledged that overcoming failures is challenging, but it's essential for growth and improvement.

4. **The Importance of Hard Work:**
- Button stressed the significance of hard work and dedication in achieving success.
- He admitted that he lacked the natural talent of some of his peers, but he compensated for it with relentless effort.

5. **The Mental Aspect of Racing:**
- Button highlighted the mental challenges of Formula One racing, including the pressure, scrutiny, and intense competition.
- He emphasized the need for mental resilience and the ability to maintain focus and composure under immense pressure.

6. **High-Performance Mindset:**
- Button defined a high-performance mindset as one that embraces challenges, learns from failures, and perseveres through adversity.
- He believes that developing this mindset is crucial for achieving success in any field.

### Conclusion:
Jenson Button's journey in Formula One serves as an inspiring example of resilience, adaptability, and the power of hard work. His unique driving style, ability to thrive in mixed conditions, and his relentless pursuit of improvement made him a formidable competitor and a true champion. Button's insights into the mental and emotional aspects of racing provide valuable lessons for anyone seeking to achieve high performance in their own endeavors.

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[00:33.840 -> 00:41.680] champion. Formula One is a mental game pretty much every guy on the grid
[00:41.680 -> 00:45.360] is super talented it's just if their head is in the right space
[00:46.440 -> 00:54.120] You know that the headlines are always tough for for a sportsman to read and nobody takes credit for the headline
[00:54.360 -> 00:55.000] You know
[00:55.000 -> 00:58.300] They'll take credit for the article and they'll say oh the rep the headline wasn't me
[00:58.300 -> 01:01.720] Yeah, and the headlines are always the one that hit you the hardest when it's negative
[01:02.440 -> 01:05.440] Dave Richards gave me the opportunity to go to BAR
[01:05.440 -> 01:08.200] and it was the best move of my life.
[01:08.200 -> 01:11.480] That team walked in, high-fiving everyone on the way in,
[01:11.480 -> 01:13.720] they were really happy for me to be there
[01:13.720 -> 01:16.900] and to feel wanted was, immediately,
[01:16.900 -> 01:20.040] it was a complete switch for me.
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[03:46.640 -> 03:51.340] Before we get going, a big shout out to our founding partners, Lotus Cars. They've been
[03:51.340 -> 03:55.820] with High Performance from the very start and I'm pleased to say they are not going
[03:55.820 -> 04:00.440] anywhere. And they are so busy at the moment doing so many different high performance projects.
[04:00.440 -> 04:09.160] When you think about it, they're working with Jensen Button on not just his Xtreme E project but also on his Radford Cars project as well. They are creating
[04:09.160 -> 04:14.240] the Lotus Amira which is their wonderful new road car which will be out in 2022.
[04:14.240 -> 04:18.200] You can find out more details about that at LotusCars.com. They've also built
[04:18.200 -> 04:22.620] the Evia all-electric hypercar. If you've got a spare couple of million quid, feel
[04:22.620 -> 04:27.580] free to buy yourself one and if you're really feeling generous You can buy me one as well if you like
[04:27.680 -> 04:33.700] But as well as all that their big project this summer has been creating the bikes that team GB was so successful on
[04:33.880 -> 04:39.240] Out at the Olympic Games in Tokyo, and I just love the fact that as a small
[04:39.800 -> 04:49.860] Company based here in Norfolk building cars in the way that they always have I just love the fact that they're looking for ways to work with other high-performance
[04:49.860 -> 04:52.840] people in all different genres in all different areas I think they're such a
[04:52.840 -> 04:56.860] brilliant company and I can't thank you enough for being part of the
[04:56.860 -> 05:00.580] high-performance podcast Lotus cars
[05:02.900 -> 05:07.000] welcome to the podcast thanks very much first of all for joining us here at Goodwill on
[05:07.000 -> 05:11.000] a sadly rather rainy weekend, but a good weekend all the same.
[05:11.000 -> 05:16.480] We always start our conversations in the same way on high performance, which is for you,
[05:16.480 -> 05:19.140] what represents high performance?
[05:19.140 -> 05:22.080] So you always start it deep and meaningful.
[05:22.080 -> 05:23.080] Yeah, always.
[05:23.080 -> 05:24.080] That's where we go.
[05:24.080 -> 05:28.580] As we have a screaming racing car going by behind. It's a really good question. What is
[05:28.580 -> 05:32.600] high-performance? I have a very different view because I've been around different
[05:32.600 -> 05:39.880] sports. But for me in motor racing it was always trying to find the edge. My
[05:39.880 -> 05:45.600] natural ability was good when it came to driving, but it probably wasn't as good
[05:45.600 -> 05:51.600] as some. So for me, high performance, it was about fine-tuning myself, finding a
[05:51.600 -> 05:56.080] way to have a better performance than others. So I personally feel that I
[05:56.080 -> 06:00.940] worked harder than a lot of guys did in motor racing and in Formula One. I don't
[06:00.940 -> 06:11.240] have the God-given talent of a Lewis Hamilton for example But I could beat him because I would work in certain areas whether it was set up with the car the engineering side of things
[06:11.240 -> 06:17.340] The strategy many different areas I would perform better because I worked harder and that was my strength
[06:17.340 -> 06:19.340] I would spend a lot of time with the team
[06:20.160 -> 06:25.840] Developing the car but also getting the team behind me as an individual to support me more in the team.
[06:26.880 -> 06:30.800] And you could say that's dirty tactics but it's not, it's sport, you do whatever you can to win
[06:31.520 -> 06:37.360] within the regulations. So for me high performance was extracting the maximum out of me every way
[06:37.360 -> 06:43.200] possible and whether that was my fitness level, my nutrition, obviously learning as much as I could
[06:43.200 -> 06:45.440] in terms of driver ability but also the
[06:45.440 -> 06:51.440] engineering side of Formula One. So it was perfecting the areas I knew I could make myself
[06:51.440 -> 06:55.520] better in, whereas the God-given talent I couldn't. That is what you're given.
[06:55.520 -> 07:00.160] It also sounds as though you understood the power of communication as well because I think
[07:00.160 -> 07:04.240] you know I worked alongside you for a long time and I would just watch the driving and comment
[07:04.240 -> 07:05.000] on the driving.
[07:05.000 -> 07:09.000] Things like working with the engineers, working with the team to understand them,
[07:09.000 -> 07:12.000] to get them to understand you and be on side if you like.
[07:12.000 -> 07:16.000] Where did you develop those skills and what did you find was effective
[07:16.000 -> 07:19.000] when you went into a new team to make that team work for you?
[07:19.000 -> 07:20.000] My dad.
[07:20.000 -> 07:21.000] Really?
[07:21.000 -> 07:22.000] Was it?
[07:22.000 -> 07:26.000] It was the team of people that I had around me, you know, lucky to have on side.
[07:26.000 -> 07:30.000] We came into McLaren, for example, after winning the World Championship in 2009.
[07:30.000 -> 07:36.000] People said it was the craziest move to move to McLaren alongside Lewis Hamilton.
[07:36.000 -> 07:38.000] And even Ross Brawn said that.
[07:38.000 -> 07:42.000] I told the team that I was leaving at the end of 2009.
[07:42.000 -> 07:48.480] I spoke to Nick Fry, who basically just shouted at me. he was one of the bosses alongside Ross Brawn at the time and I
[07:48.480 -> 07:53.040] remember going in his office and telling him I was leaving and he just shouted at
[07:53.040 -> 07:57.760] me and I basically started laughing because it was a really uncomfortable
[07:57.760 -> 08:03.400] situation I kind of felt for him for how aggressive he was and he just looked at
[08:03.400 -> 08:05.160] me and said why are you laughing at me?
[08:05.160 -> 08:10.240] it was the situation it just like what I didn't expect and I told Ross and he was
[08:10.240 -> 08:13.360] very friendly and he said I think you're making a big mistake going up alongside
[08:13.360 -> 08:19.840] Lewis. I was like oh this is awesome! There's a lot of positive energy here I'm getting but I was
[08:19.840 -> 08:23.960] leaving but it happens I didn't have a contract for the next year it just
[08:23.960 -> 08:30.040] didn't feel like the place for me going to McLaren was and I remember walking into McLaren
[08:30.040 -> 08:33.880] and the first thing I said was before I met anyone I spoke to Martin Wimmarsch, I
[08:33.880 -> 08:39.560] spoke to Ron Dennis and I said my first question is is this Lewis's team? You
[08:39.560 -> 08:42.520] know am I gonna have equal treatment here because if I'm not I don't want to
[08:42.520 -> 08:46.640] be here and they said yes everything will be a hundred percent equal between both
[08:46.640 -> 08:50.240] of the drivers I was like right now I can start and then I walked in met
[08:50.240 -> 08:56.200] everyone and got a pretty good rapport with the team very very quickly and my
[08:56.200 -> 08:59.600] dad would walk in and you know my dad was always in the background as you know
[08:59.600 -> 09:04.280] and he would speak to the engineers and you know he'd be the races he'd be like
[09:04.280 -> 09:06.120] good job guys you've doing a fantastic job,
[09:06.120 -> 09:09.560] thanks for looking after my son, now don't mess it up.
[09:09.560 -> 09:10.380] Is that right?
[09:10.380 -> 09:12.040] I was gonna say a bad word then, but don't mess it up,
[09:12.040 -> 09:14.240] he would say it in a different way than that.
[09:14.240 -> 09:15.680] And you think that had an impact?
[09:15.680 -> 09:19.200] Definitely, you know, it was quite a cold atmosphere
[09:19.200 -> 09:22.000] and he made it a lot more friendly.
[09:22.000 -> 09:24.440] And you know, my manager Richard was great,
[09:24.440 -> 09:25.860] my physio
[09:25.860 -> 09:30.540] Mikey Muscles, my PR man James Williamson and I think it just it made
[09:30.540 -> 09:35.960] everyone a bit more relaxed in the team and drivers weren't these alien people
[09:35.960 -> 09:39.320] that you can't talk to within a team you know I made sure that I spent time on
[09:39.320 -> 09:43.060] the mechanics time with the engineers and really got them on side so they
[09:43.060 -> 09:48.400] would listen to to what I needed to do with the car to make it work for me and that's why in those
[09:48.400 -> 09:51.840] mixed conditions I could drive it well because I developed the car around
[09:51.840 -> 09:56.920] myself. So would you tell us a little bit about your father and his influence on
[09:56.920 -> 10:01.960] Jensen and also as well contrast it with the role of your mum it seems quite of a
[10:01.960 -> 10:07.240] yin and yang approach to parenting. Well they're very yin and yang as people I don't understand how they were ever
[10:07.240 -> 10:11.760] together my parents but they weren't together very long after they had me.
[10:11.760 -> 10:15.560] My parents split up when I was seven and I started racing when I was eight so it's
[10:15.560 -> 10:19.160] through my parents splitting up that I started racing because my father had me
[10:19.160 -> 10:23.800] on the weekends and as a kid that wasn't really into ball sports he's like what
[10:23.800 -> 10:25.200] am I gonna do with him?
[10:25.200 -> 10:27.160] So he bought me a go-kart,
[10:27.160 -> 10:29.520] used all the money he had in his bank account for a go-kart
[10:29.520 -> 10:31.680] and we'd go racing on the weekends.
[10:31.680 -> 10:34.080] But my dad was always there for me when it came to racing
[10:34.080 -> 10:37.300] and he would support me all the way, but he wasn't pushy.
[10:37.300 -> 10:40.720] I hate that when you see dads in karting pushing their kids
[10:40.720 -> 10:42.800] because it makes you not wanna do it.
[10:42.800 -> 10:44.680] He would always say if it's,
[10:44.680 -> 10:47.600] we had a bad weekend, which we would have had especially when I turn
[10:47.600 -> 10:51.720] into a teenager you know you suddenly find the opposite sex attractive and
[10:51.720 -> 10:56.040] and racing kind of is on the back burner a little bit and he would turn around
[10:56.040 -> 10:59.680] and say Jensen if you're not into it right now he said we can take a break or
[10:59.680 -> 11:03.760] if you want to stop, stop. And what was your reaction when he would say
[11:03.760 -> 11:11.120] something like that to you? It made me want to work harder, you know, and there was one moment that I get
[11:11.120 -> 11:15.920] emotional probably saying it but I was karting and it was yeah I was 12, 13 and
[11:15.920 -> 11:20.920] had a really bad weekend, we're racing up in Scotland karting and I think I
[11:20.920 -> 11:23.760] finished last in every race and I'd gone from winning the previous season to
[11:23.760 -> 11:25.040] finishing last and on the way home he thought I was last in every race and I'd gone from winning the previous season to finishing last and on the way home
[11:25.040 -> 11:29.120] I was just he thought I was asleep in the back and he's talking to my stepmom and he said to her
[11:29.120 -> 11:35.760] I don't think he's got it and that was like, oh, you know that that hurt and I didn't tell him that I knew until
[11:35.760 -> 11:37.520] I won the world championship
[11:37.520 -> 11:39.760] What was his reaction then? He started crying
[11:41.320 -> 11:46.000] And do you think that he knew you were hearing him or he sort of understood you
[11:46.000 -> 11:49.600] enough to know the right things to say to push your buttons? He did but he was a
[11:49.600 -> 11:54.280] very caring guy so you know he would never say anything to try and sway what
[11:54.280 -> 11:58.840] I was feeling. No, to benefit him if you like, he would never do that.
[11:58.840 -> 12:02.520] And what about the role of your mother then? What did she offer you that you
[12:02.520 -> 12:07.400] were still using when you were becoming a world champion? Well when I started racing it's when my parents
[12:07.400 -> 12:11.360] split up and I didn't get on at all, they hated each other which obviously
[12:11.360 -> 12:15.040] was a tricky one for me because I wanted to go drive and go karts the whole time
[12:15.040 -> 12:20.200] as a kid so she didn't like that I was driving karts and I get it you know as
[12:20.200 -> 12:25.500] a for a mum it's a baby boy as the only boy in the family, got three sisters.
[12:25.500 -> 12:27.760] And I was away with my dad having fun,
[12:27.760 -> 12:29.600] but also she didn't really understand it.
[12:29.600 -> 12:32.320] So she's like, it's really dangerous, he could hurt himself.
[12:32.320 -> 12:35.160] And it is, you know, it has got danger attached to it.
[12:35.160 -> 12:36.640] So I kind of get it,
[12:36.640 -> 12:38.760] and she tried to stop me racing initially.
[12:38.760 -> 12:40.800] And then she saw how much I loved it,
[12:40.800 -> 12:41.960] and how well I was doing,
[12:41.960 -> 12:43.400] and then I went to Europe and raced,
[12:43.400 -> 12:45.040] and she was massively supportive
[12:45.040 -> 12:46.920] and she actually apologized for me
[12:46.920 -> 12:48.760] for being the way that she was.
[12:48.760 -> 12:50.560] And she's been so supportive.
[12:50.560 -> 12:52.120] She hasn't been to all the races,
[12:52.120 -> 12:54.040] my F1 races like my dad was.
[12:54.040 -> 12:56.480] And one of the reasons was because they didn't get on
[12:56.480 -> 12:59.560] and it just didn't work for me having them both there.
[12:59.560 -> 13:00.800] You know, I didn't want to be worrying
[13:00.800 -> 13:02.340] about how my mom was feeling
[13:02.340 -> 13:04.220] about my dad being there and vice versa.
[13:04.220 -> 13:06.520] So because my dad got me into racing,
[13:06.520 -> 13:08.600] he was always the one at the races.
[13:08.600 -> 13:10.680] But my mom watched every single race.
[13:10.680 -> 13:12.480] You know, she's even texting me now saying,
[13:12.480 -> 13:14.080] when are you going up the hill next?
[13:14.080 -> 13:15.760] Because she's watching it on TV.
[13:15.760 -> 13:18.560] And, you know, I don't see my mom as often as I would like
[13:18.560 -> 13:21.740] because COVID restrictions and I live in America,
[13:21.740 -> 13:23.760] but she's texting me the whole time.
[13:23.760 -> 13:25.580] When are you next on TV?
[13:25.580 -> 13:29.180] When are you next on, you know, covering Formula One?
[13:29.180 -> 13:30.680] Or when you're driving a car up the hill?
[13:30.680 -> 13:33.100] It's just, it's mega that she's still like that.
[13:33.100 -> 13:35.640] So she's been massively supportive.
[13:35.640 -> 13:38.220] And I think for my parents,
[13:38.220 -> 13:39.980] obviously my dad wasn't around anymore
[13:39.980 -> 13:42.180] when I retired from F1,
[13:42.180 -> 13:43.660] but I think it really hit my mom
[13:43.660 -> 13:46.440] when I wasn't racing in F1, because she loved that.
[13:46.440 -> 13:48.360] And I think if my dad was around,
[13:48.360 -> 13:49.800] I think it would have hit him really hard
[13:49.800 -> 13:52.740] when I retired from F1, because that was his life.
[13:52.740 -> 13:54.680] So what lessons did they teach you
[13:54.680 -> 13:57.740] that you would pass on to your children now then?
[13:57.740 -> 14:01.080] I think the supportive role, but not being pushy,
[14:01.080 -> 14:02.920] you know, with my dad.
[14:02.920 -> 14:05.000] Even the year that I won the World
[14:05.000 -> 14:11.080] Championship, he'd be in the back of the garage and he would wait to be spoken to
[14:11.080 -> 14:15.680] if you like, you know, if I had an issue or I was happy I would walk up to him
[14:15.680 -> 14:19.560] and then I would talk to him and then he would give me his opinion. He would never
[14:19.560 -> 14:23.480] throw it at me because he knew I knew what I was doing. He was very supportive
[14:23.480 -> 14:31.040] but in a quiet way, in a very calm manner. The only time he got angry with me was 2013. I
[14:31.040 -> 14:37.840] broke my hand which not many people know, punching a drum in a shop bar in Tokyo.
[14:37.840 -> 14:43.480] Yes. What did the drum do that was so offensive? Well basically we flew from Korea
[14:43.480 -> 14:45.360] which was always an
[14:45.360 -> 14:50.200] interesting weekend, flew to Japan, a lot of the drivers together, there was 12 of us in
[14:50.200 -> 14:54.080] total, went to this shop bar and it was the weekend before the Japanese Grand Prix
[14:54.080 -> 14:58.560] so we all went out, had a few drinks and to get everyone around in the bar you
[14:58.560 -> 15:02.480] hit this drum with a drumstick and the drumstick was missing so I punched the
[15:02.480 -> 15:07.440] drum which was fine because it moved out the way and then Felipe Massa grabbed hold of the drum and said
[15:07.440 -> 15:11.600] punch it again and I did and went over on my left knuckle because I didn't know
[15:11.600 -> 15:17.100] what I was doing and broke my hand and DC was there and I mean DC couldn't
[15:17.100 -> 15:21.960] really see at that point but but he still looked at me went you've broken
[15:21.960 -> 15:27.380] it haven't you and he knew immediately and I was like yeah and they got me ice and went to the doctors the next day and I'd
[15:27.380 -> 15:31.600] broken my hand and they said you gotta you gotta strap it up we've got a cast
[15:31.600 -> 15:35.580] on it so I'm driving a Formula One car in three days I can't do that they said
[15:35.580 -> 15:40.820] well it's gonna hurt a lot then and I eventually raced in Japan the team
[15:40.820 -> 15:48.520] wanted to swap me out and put the the young gun in which was was it Kevin Magnuson they wanted to put him in the car so they could compare him and
[15:48.520 -> 15:51.340] Checo to see who would be in the car the next year and I was like no I'm not
[15:51.340 -> 15:55.480] not getting out the car so I drove and I basically had to strap my hand to the
[15:55.480 -> 15:59.260] steering wheel to drive that's the only time he got angry me when I told him I
[15:59.260 -> 16:03.360] broke my hand he said a really bad word to me which I'm not gonna mention now
[16:03.360 -> 16:05.800] repeat that what on a podcast we can, right?
[16:05.800 -> 16:07.680] But there's people here, so we can't.
[16:07.680 -> 16:08.840] But he was really angry.
[16:08.840 -> 16:13.400] It's the only time in my racing career he's been angry with me, just because of my stupidity.
[16:13.400 -> 16:17.680] But getting back to your question, I think it's the nurturing.
[16:17.680 -> 16:20.320] And I see it as a father with my kids.
[16:20.320 -> 16:24.040] I want to nurture them, and I don't want to push them in any direction.
[16:24.040 -> 16:29.200] If my son or my daughter want to race cars or go karts I'm gonna let them but I'm not
[16:29.200 -> 16:33.640] gonna push them to do that at all but I have a feeling my son Hendrix is going
[16:33.640 -> 16:38.000] to want to because he all day long he plays with cars you know and he carries
[16:38.000 -> 16:41.680] cars around with him so looks like he's gonna be a car collector which is gonna
[16:41.680 -> 16:45.480] be expensive but if he wants to do it he wants to do it and I'll let him but I think I'm lucky because he's gonna be your size is collector, which is going to be expensive. But if he wants to do it, he wants to do it, and I'll let him.
[16:45.480 -> 16:47.920] But I think I'm lucky because he's going to be your size.
[16:47.920 -> 16:48.760] Is he?
[16:48.760 -> 16:49.920] And we've all seen you drive cars.
[16:49.920 -> 16:51.920] Very fast, very impressive.
[16:51.920 -> 16:54.560] Let's talk about failure and allowing your kids to fail.
[16:54.560 -> 16:56.400] Because I think one of the big issues these days
[16:56.400 -> 16:57.960] is like this helicopter parenting,
[16:57.960 -> 16:59.440] hovering around your kids all the time,
[16:59.440 -> 17:00.860] smoothing the path in front of them,
[17:00.860 -> 17:02.100] not allowing them to fail.
[17:02.100 -> 17:03.980] And then they get to an age
[17:03.980 -> 17:05.120] and they don't have the resilience because they've allowing them to fail, and then they get to an age and they don't have
[17:05.120 -> 17:08.240] the resilience because they've never had to fail before.
[17:08.240 -> 17:10.120] Loads of parents listen to this podcast,
[17:10.120 -> 17:12.680] so you've gone through a whole life of failure.
[17:12.680 -> 17:15.200] That's the reality of an elite sports person, right?
[17:15.200 -> 17:18.120] Regular failure and then the odd success.
[17:18.120 -> 17:19.600] What are you going to be teaching them
[17:19.600 -> 17:20.800] about the power of failure?
[17:20.800 -> 17:22.600] Will you let them fail?
[17:22.600 -> 17:27.760] I agree, and sometimes I am a helicopter parent because I don't want my son to hurt himself.
[17:27.760 -> 17:32.680] But in terms of failing, yeah, he has to. And as long as you're there to pick him up
[17:32.680 -> 17:38.420] after and tell him this happens, we've all been through it. I went through really tough
[17:38.420 -> 17:42.400] times and it's having that network of people around you that really helps. Not to blow
[17:42.400 -> 17:46.520] smoke up your backside, but to tell you what you can do
[17:46.520 -> 17:49.760] and to remind you of what you've achieved in the past
[17:49.760 -> 17:51.400] and how hard you've worked for this.
[17:51.400 -> 17:55.000] And Formula One is a mental game.
[17:55.000 -> 17:58.040] Pretty much every guy on the grid is super talented.
[17:58.040 -> 18:00.800] It's just if their head is in the right space.
[18:00.800 -> 18:02.800] Pierre Gasly jumps in a red ball,
[18:02.800 -> 18:04.720] gets annihilated in a red ball,
[18:04.720 -> 18:05.280] jumps back in
[18:05.280 -> 18:10.380] the Alpha Tower as it is now and look at him I mean he's outperforming so many of
[18:10.380 -> 18:13.180] these top drivers on the grid because his head's in the right place and the
[18:13.180 -> 18:16.440] people around him are helping him achieve because they're putting him in
[18:16.440 -> 18:20.320] that right headspace. So can you share with us some of those tips that you use
[18:20.320 -> 18:24.080] to get yourself in that headspace to go out there and perform at your best?
[18:24.080 -> 18:27.120] I was terrible if I had a bad weekend.
[18:27.120 -> 18:30.200] I wouldn't go through the process of working out
[18:30.200 -> 18:33.440] why it was bad, it would just live with me for days.
[18:33.440 -> 18:35.700] And that was a big issue for me in my earlier career,
[18:35.700 -> 18:39.000] sort of 2001, 2002, and that's why I struggled
[18:39.000 -> 18:40.160] at Benetton so much.
[18:40.160 -> 18:42.600] I had a boss like Flavio Briatore that would pick
[18:42.600 -> 18:45.000] every fault and tell the world of your
[18:45.000 -> 18:48.160] issues and wouldn't be there to help you through them.
[18:48.160 -> 18:53.160] So I would, Sunday, bad weekend, and I would think about that race all the way up until
[18:53.160 -> 18:54.160] the next race.
[18:54.160 -> 18:57.320] And that really hurt me and it just got worse and worse and worse.
[18:57.320 -> 19:01.880] I had to really work on, and I didn't work with a specialist, which I should have done
[19:01.880 -> 19:08.200] because it took me longer to learn, but I had had to get out the car, sit down with my thoughts and even write it
[19:08.200 -> 19:12.120] down on a piece of paper the reasons why it didn't work that day and this is just
[19:12.120 -> 19:15.800] with myself not with other people, the reasons why I didn't work that day and
[19:15.800 -> 19:20.440] how to make this better because I know I can drive a racing car against the best
[19:20.440 -> 19:23.600] in the world but I'm not performing and why is that and I had to write things
[19:23.600 -> 19:26.780] down and work out the issues was it because I was staring at a
[19:26.780 -> 19:32.540] TV screen before I went out for my QALY lab, which it was. Was it because my
[19:32.540 -> 19:36.000] head wasn't in the right place when it came to fitness, nutrition, working with
[19:36.000 -> 19:39.560] the engineers and I really had to work out the the reasons for it and I would
[19:39.560 -> 19:43.260] do that straight after the race before I've talked to anyone and that for me
[19:43.260 -> 19:46.240] was the most important thing. Write it down, put it in my pocket,
[19:46.240 -> 19:47.940] and that was the quickest way for me
[19:47.940 -> 19:49.640] to get over a bad weekend
[19:49.640 -> 19:52.420] and develop my skills in the areas that I was weak.
[19:52.420 -> 19:54.080] Because we all have weaknesses,
[19:54.080 -> 19:56.400] and every driver, every sportsman has a weakness,
[19:56.400 -> 19:59.160] and it's those areas you really need to work on.
[19:59.160 -> 20:00.160] And what did it do for you
[20:00.160 -> 20:02.360] when you finally got that first Formula One win?
[20:02.360 -> 20:03.760] I mean, we all remember, I'm sure,
[20:03.760 -> 20:07.120] that amazing image of you with your wide eyes and the visor up on your helmet.
[20:07.120 -> 20:10.320] That almost looked like a kind of disbelief or a realisation
[20:10.320 -> 20:11.920] that finally the win has come.
[20:12.480 -> 20:16.400] What did that do for your confidence and your approach to racing?
[20:16.400 -> 20:18.640] You know, Formula One is a team sport
[20:19.280 -> 20:23.120] and you can't win without a good car, you can't win without a good team,
[20:23.120 -> 20:26.040] but you also can't win without a good driver, you can't win without a good team, but you also can't win without a good driver.
[20:26.040 -> 20:29.600] So, that weekend was a pretty emotional weekend because we had a great car that
[20:29.600 -> 20:31.120] weekend in Hungary
[20:31.120 -> 20:32.840] 2006
[20:32.840 -> 20:33.600] and uh...
[20:33.600 -> 20:36.040] Honda back then were very good with
[20:36.040 -> 20:37.680] power output
[20:37.680 -> 20:40.040] but the reliability wasn't there and uh...
[20:40.040 -> 20:43.880] I was in practice, I was super quick but we blew the engine on Saturday
[20:43.880 -> 20:44.920] morning
[20:44.920 -> 20:48.240] went into qualifying, I qualified fourth, which I'm pretty happy with.
[20:48.240 -> 20:53.360] But back then you had a 10 place grid penalty for an engine failure, so I started the race 14th.
[20:53.360 -> 20:57.440] So coming through in those tricky conditions,
[20:57.440 -> 21:00.520] and winning in that manner,
[21:00.520 -> 21:03.000] was massive for us. You know, the adrenaline.
[21:03.000 -> 21:05.260] It's always exciting when you come through a field
[21:05.260 -> 21:06.140] and win a race, right?
[21:06.140 -> 21:07.420] And it's great to watch.
[21:07.420 -> 21:09.120] And I think that just added to the excitement
[21:09.120 -> 21:09.960] for the whole team.
[21:09.960 -> 21:13.260] And I've never seen so many grown men cry.
[21:13.260 -> 21:14.720] The Japanese were so,
[21:16.840 -> 21:19.060] so emotional about their motor racing.
[21:19.060 -> 21:22.480] And to finally get our win after so many years of trying,
[21:22.480 -> 21:24.140] really meant a lot to them.
[21:24.140 -> 21:29.480] And also the UK based team as well but yeah a really special weekend and the funny thing is
[21:29.480 -> 21:34.120] you celebrate and then it's for gone. Did you not feel any different the
[21:34.120 -> 21:37.280] following race did you not go into that with more confidence or more belief?
[21:37.280 -> 21:42.240] Not at all I think as a whole as a team we probably did you know we're more
[21:42.240 -> 21:48.720] confident turning up at the next race when it came to strategy and the pit stops the guys were doing. There was more
[21:48.720 -> 21:55.440] belief in us as a team probably than us as an individual, as individuals so that
[21:55.440 -> 21:59.320] was where it helped us and if you looked at that that point to the end of the
[21:59.320 -> 22:03.120] season we actually scored more points than Michael Schumacher, Fernando Alonso
[22:03.120 -> 22:06.080] the two guys that were fighting for the World Championship.
[22:06.080 -> 22:09.480] So it definitely helped us as a team have confidence to go out there and fight with
[22:09.480 -> 22:10.480] the best of them.
[22:10.480 -> 22:15.800] So what would you say were the biggest changes then from the you that won it in 2006 to the
[22:15.800 -> 22:21.160] guy in 2001 that was struggling to process these defeats?
[22:21.160 -> 22:25.000] Definitely understanding motor racing.
[22:25.000 -> 22:27.800] We jump into an F1 car and think,
[22:27.800 -> 22:31.600] well, I know I can drive, I'm gonna win.
[22:31.600 -> 22:33.120] But it doesn't quite work like that.
[22:33.120 -> 22:34.800] You're racing against everyone.
[22:34.800 -> 22:36.840] All these drivers have been through the same process
[22:36.840 -> 22:39.720] as you have coming through lower categories and winning.
[22:39.720 -> 22:40.920] So you think you're gonna be the best
[22:40.920 -> 22:42.040] when you get into an F1 car,
[22:42.040 -> 22:43.460] but you're racing against the best.
[22:43.460 -> 22:46.800] They're all fantastic drivers. And I had Kevin Magnussen as a
[22:46.800 -> 22:51.200] teammate back in 2014 and I remember at race three he turned around to me and
[22:51.200 -> 22:55.520] said JB I didn't know it was gonna be this hard I thought I'd jump in and just
[22:55.520 -> 23:00.560] destroy you all but it doesn't happen you're racing against the best and for
[23:00.560 -> 23:05.200] me it was understanding that your natural ability is never enough.
[23:05.200 -> 23:08.800] There's always someone that has got a slightly better natural ability.
[23:08.800 -> 23:13.600] It's about working on the areas, for example, the engineering and as I was mentioning before,
[23:13.600 -> 23:19.200] the fitness, the nutrition and mentally feeling like you're doing more than everyone else.
[23:19.200 -> 23:21.600] I think that gives you a bit confidence as well.
[23:21.600 -> 23:22.600] You know, my fitness.
[23:22.600 -> 23:25.040] I always tried to be fitter every
[23:25.040 -> 23:29.320] year I raced an F1 and I felt like I was the fittest F1 driver. Whether I was or not I
[23:29.320 -> 23:34.520] don't know. Nutrition, I always thought I was doing a better job on nutrition with the
[23:34.520 -> 23:38.760] engineering and understanding of the car, not just coming in and saying it's under steering
[23:38.760 -> 23:43.360] here, it's over steering here, but actually understanding what I need to do with the car
[23:43.360 -> 23:48.280] to make it feel better, not just giving it to the engineer and say, here you go, sort that out, I'll come back tomorrow.
[23:48.280 -> 23:51.880] So for me, that was the most important thing, understanding Formula 1, really,
[23:51.880 -> 23:54.880] rather than just using my natural ability to win.
[23:54.880 -> 23:58.480] And how much did perception, external perception, frustrate you?
[23:58.480 -> 24:01.520] Because you were doing all this, you were giving it your everything,
[24:01.520 -> 24:09.000] you know, there was so much dependent upon the chassis that had been built or the engine that had been created, you're giving it everything, you're going to the nth degree
[24:09.000 -> 24:14.000] to be perfect, yet I remember in the early career it was like, oh Jenson Button, he's the playboy guy
[24:14.000 -> 24:19.000] who just likes a night out, he hasn't won a race yet, you remember that conversation that swirled around at the time
[24:19.000 -> 24:23.000] did you allow that to frustrate you, did you try and get control of that?
[24:23.000 -> 24:29.320] because external perception impacts people too much, you know? It does and it started with Flavio
[24:29.320 -> 24:33.880] basically saying it in Monaco. I finished seventh which then was not
[24:33.880 -> 24:38.240] point scoring. You know now a seventh is amazing right in F1 but it was seventh
[24:38.240 -> 24:41.880] and I was just outside the points and we asked power steering failed at the start
[24:41.880 -> 24:47.480] of the race and F1 cars are pretty heavy without power. And I had blisters all over my hands and came in
[24:47.480 -> 24:49.880] and Flavio gave an interview without talking to me
[24:49.880 -> 24:51.920] and said, oh, I think he was looking for a new apartment
[24:51.920 -> 24:53.760] or a new yacht to buy.
[24:53.760 -> 24:54.960] That's why he finished seventh.
[24:54.960 -> 24:57.040] And our hands were bleeding.
[24:57.040 -> 24:59.480] So that really hurt, you know, your own boss,
[24:59.480 -> 25:02.160] the guy that's supposed to be nurturing you,
[25:02.160 -> 25:03.200] saying that to the press.
[25:03.200 -> 25:04.600] And then they obviously take that on board
[25:04.600 -> 25:06.440] and they run with it forever basically.
[25:06.440 -> 25:10.440] But did you speak to Flavio and try and explain to him how that's not helpful?
[25:10.440 -> 25:13.760] He wasn't the sort of guy you could sit down with and have an honest conversation like that
[25:13.760 -> 25:18.280] so it was very tricky and I needed other people in the team to support me and
[25:18.280 -> 25:22.040] they didn't really. This is a team that had achieved a lot in the
[25:22.040 -> 25:28.400] past with Michael Schumacher and you know they thought they were the best and this young kid who they think now is
[25:28.400 -> 25:32.800] a playboy because Flavio said it is coming in here trying to perform and
[25:32.800 -> 25:35.760] he's not doing a good enough job and and I wasn't doing a good enough job it's
[25:35.760 -> 25:38.840] because I wasn't being nurtured in the right way and I wasn't mentally strong
[25:38.840 -> 25:44.000] enough to find a way out. So beyond being hurt by that comment by Flavio how else
[25:44.000 -> 25:49.560] did that affect you that perception? Yeah it did, you know I had a girlfriend at the time
[25:49.560 -> 25:53.920] as well, a long-term girlfriend I've been with for three years so Playboy doesn't
[25:53.920 -> 25:58.440] really fit. Yeah it really did hurt, you know I'm quite an emotional character
[25:58.440 -> 26:03.560] anyway, I'm not hard in any way when it comes to emotion so I really struggled
[26:03.560 -> 26:05.960] with that and that was one of the biggest issues for me.
[26:05.960 -> 26:08.780] And the best thing for me was to leave the team.
[26:08.780 -> 26:11.120] And I was told to leave the team
[26:11.120 -> 26:13.040] because Fernando was coming in anyway.
[26:13.040 -> 26:15.120] So I was like, okay, all right, where am I gonna go?
[26:15.120 -> 26:18.740] And Dave Richards gave me the opportunity to go to BAR,
[26:18.740 -> 26:21.520] and it was the best move of my life.
[26:21.520 -> 26:23.400] That team walked in, you know,
[26:23.400 -> 26:24.800] high-fiving everyone on the way in.
[26:24.800 -> 26:28.720] They were really happy for me to be there and, you know, to feel wanted
[26:28.720 -> 26:34.360] was immediately, it was a complete switch for me and jumped in the car, felt great.
[26:34.360 -> 26:39.080] The only person that didn't want me to be there was Jack Villeneuve, my teammate.
[26:39.080 -> 26:43.520] We all know how that turned out but we ended up being good friends. But that was such a
[26:43.520 -> 26:49.680] good step for me and sometimes that's all it needs for a driver it's that shift that change in
[26:49.680 -> 26:54.280] team and team mentality and it's very different to most sports you know most
[26:54.280 -> 26:59.600] sports is the individual and it's the fitness level, it's the
[26:59.600 -> 27:04.560] technical understanding of the sport but team sports are tough and I understand
[27:04.560 -> 27:08.840] that football and rugby sometimes you just don't click with that crowd of people
[27:08.840 -> 27:12.040] you're working with and sometimes it's difficult to find that and I found that
[27:12.040 -> 27:16.200] with B.A.R. and it was great working with that team through you know it being B.A.R.,
[27:16.200 -> 27:20.920] Honda and then on to being Braun. So what was the team where you felt you were at
[27:20.920 -> 27:25.440] your happiest and therefore performed at your best? I mean, I had two teams that I was with
[27:25.440 -> 27:26.440] for a long period of time,
[27:26.440 -> 27:29.920] and probably the most happy was still BAR,
[27:29.920 -> 27:31.480] which turned into Braun.
[27:31.480 -> 27:33.680] It just felt like family to me.
[27:33.680 -> 27:37.120] And also because we went from kind of nothing,
[27:37.120 -> 27:40.080] fourth place was our best finish, I think, in 2003,
[27:40.080 -> 27:41.560] to winning the world championship together
[27:41.560 -> 27:44.280] and winning, you know, having our first victory together
[27:44.280 -> 27:49.200] as a team. So that for me was probably the team that stands out as the biggest family that I've
[27:49.200 -> 27:53.520] worked with. McLaren was different because I arrived there as a world champion and had won
[27:53.520 -> 27:59.920] races but still they welcomed me like I didn't expect them to as they had Lewis as the as the
[27:59.920 -> 28:09.560] number one driver if you like. So both fantastic teams to work with, very different bosses. You know with Ron Dennis at the helm at McLaren and I
[28:09.560 -> 28:14.760] really liked working with Ron. Unusual character, sometimes tricky, you know
[28:14.760 -> 28:18.260] having a conversation with Ron one-to-one could be tricky, but it could
[28:18.260 -> 28:20.760] be awesome as well, it could be really great you know getting his opinion on
[28:20.760 -> 28:24.100] things and he's been around the sport for many years, well with Alan Prost,
[28:24.100 -> 28:28.640] Ayrton Senna, you know trying to control those two drivers under one roof.
[28:28.640 -> 28:32.800] I can't imagine how difficult it was. So it was really nice working with him but to be
[28:32.800 -> 28:36.240] fair it was more like Martin Whitmarsh that I could work with on a day-to-day basis and
[28:36.240 -> 28:42.080] felt, you know, making the team feel like my own was with Martin and the engineers.
[28:42.080 -> 28:43.960] So why was it tricky with Ron?
[28:43.960 -> 28:47.000] It's just an unusual character. If you've ever spoken to Ron, you probably know.
[28:47.000 -> 28:49.000] You've probably interviewed Ron.
[28:49.000 -> 28:50.000] Tried to.
[28:50.000 -> 28:55.000] Yeah, exactly. On his day, Ron was great at being interviewed.
[28:55.000 -> 28:57.000] But the next day, it would be really difficult.
[28:57.000 -> 29:00.000] So he was very passionate about Formula 1.
[29:00.000 -> 29:04.000] He wanted it to be a certain way, but it wasn't always that way.
[29:04.000 -> 29:05.680] So it'd be tricky.
[29:05.680 -> 29:12.320] But he built this team from very small, so he achieved so much with McLaren, and without him it wouldn't exist.
[29:12.320 -> 29:17.760] So it was really sad to see him go, and after a couple of Scherberts, it was always a lot of fun.
[29:17.760 -> 29:22.400] A couple of lemonades, and you can hear the true stories and the great stories that came out.
[29:22.400 -> 29:25.160] So you saw really different cultures then
[29:25.160 -> 29:26.240] as you moved through Formula One.
[29:26.240 -> 29:27.880] And we'll talk about the championship winning season
[29:27.880 -> 29:28.720] in just a moment.
[29:28.720 -> 29:31.280] But now that you're involved in Xtreme E,
[29:31.280 -> 29:32.320] you've got your own team there,
[29:32.320 -> 29:33.560] you're a parent as well.
[29:33.560 -> 29:35.480] Lots of CEOs listen to this podcast.
[29:35.480 -> 29:38.440] What do you believe makes a healthy culture?
[29:38.440 -> 29:40.080] Like what do you want to see in a team
[29:40.080 -> 29:41.400] that you're involved in?
[29:41.400 -> 29:43.880] From both sides, I think healthy criticism
[29:43.880 -> 29:48.320] is really important. And it's giving it and it's taking it. It's giving it in the right
[29:48.320 -> 29:55.160] way, not putting people down and I found that in extreme E because as a
[29:55.160 -> 29:58.160] driver I'm coming in and it's something that's completely different. I have no
[29:58.160 -> 30:02.240] idea what I'm doing driving an extreme E car so I have to be open to criticism
[30:02.240 -> 30:05.880] and that is is key for me being open to that positive criticism
[30:06.200 -> 30:09.600] And and learning from it, you know, my teammate Michaela
[30:09.880 -> 30:16.280] She is an extraordinary driver on track, but for her it's the same, you know driving an off-road vehicle
[30:16.280 -> 30:22.520] It's completely new and I must say I've never seen a driver learn as quickly as she has because she studies the data
[30:22.520 -> 30:27.920] And she goes about in her own way you know she she fully focuses and goes through the whole
[30:27.920 -> 30:31.320] process of driving the vehicle. I watch her and I think it's hilarious to
[30:31.320 -> 30:34.200] watch but she goes out there in the next run and she's ten times better than she
[30:34.200 -> 30:39.380] was before so I think positive Christian giving it and receiving it is really
[30:39.380 -> 30:43.960] key. Wanting to learn, wanting to be better than you were yesterday and if
[30:43.960 -> 30:46.760] you're not better the next day you you're not better, but you've tried
[30:46.760 -> 30:49.240] and that's the main thing, it's putting in the effort
[30:49.240 -> 30:51.480] to always want to be better than you were yesterday
[30:51.480 -> 30:54.840] and some days are going to be dark and some days are going to be difficult
[30:54.840 -> 30:57.080] but you've got to realize that we've all been through that
[30:57.080 -> 30:59.040] and it's how you deal with that
[30:59.040 -> 31:02.840] and not be afraid to ask for help in that situation
[31:02.840 -> 31:05.000] and I wasn't that person i gofyn help yno. Ac roeddwn i ddim y person hwn.
[31:05.000 -> 31:07.000] Roeddwn i'n ei ychydigio i mewn
[31:07.000 -> 31:09.000] ac mae'n gynnwys fy nyrsiau
[31:09.000 -> 31:11.000] yn y cyfnodau cyntaf o fy nyrsiau F1.
[31:11.000 -> 31:13.000] Felly mae'n ymdrechu i'r cyfrifoldeb
[31:13.000 -> 31:15.000] ond hefyd i gofyn help.
[31:15.000 -> 31:17.000] Felly beth oedd y pwysau?
[31:17.000 -> 31:19.000] Dyna'r coment sydd eich bod chi'n ei wneud
[31:19.000 -> 31:21.000] am ychydigio o'r eich eich syniadau
[31:21.000 -> 31:23.000] neu'r dyfodolion.
[31:23.000 -> 31:26.040] Beth oedd y catalyst sy'n gynnydd i chi ddeall
[31:26.040 -> 31:29.840] bod angen i chi gofyn cymorth a chael fy mhobl i'w ddweud
[31:29.840 -> 31:31.080] yn iechyd?
[31:31.080 -> 31:32.880] Roedd pobl yn dod i mi a gofyn
[31:32.880 -> 31:34.080] os oedd gen i'r help
[31:34.080 -> 31:35.960] yn y sefyllfa honno.
[31:35.960 -> 31:38.160] A oedd gennych chi'n gyntaf yn ymwneud ag hynny?
[31:38.160 -> 31:40.720] Roedd e'n ddifrifol o'r dechrau.
[31:40.720 -> 31:42.640] A nid oeddwn yn eisiau sôn ag y specialist
[31:42.640 -> 31:44.840] a chroesawu i mi helpu mewn y sefyllfa honno.
[31:44.840 -> 31:48.360] Rwy'n credu, fel Brydein, nid ydym yn dda i gofyn o help, Totally and I would never want to speak to a specialist and try and help me in that situation You know, I think is as Brits. We're not very good at asking for help either
[31:48.880 -> 31:55.640] Couple's therapy. I mean, why would you want that we can deal with it ourselves, but you're not being told what to do
[31:55.640 -> 32:02.280] Is a human being it's someone's sit in there and just you're just airing your issues that it don't comment on anything
[32:02.280 -> 32:03.600] They don't give you feedback
[32:03.600 -> 32:07.440] It's more just having someone that you can just release everything and it's just such
[32:07.440 -> 32:08.920] a weight off your shoulders.
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[34:51.560 -> 34:56.600] Mint Mobile for details. By the time 2009 arrived right, this is the title winning
[34:56.600 -> 35:00.440] season then, were you at that point dealing with not necessarily a
[35:00.440 -> 35:04.160] psychologist but you were you were able to talk a lot more openly and I wonder
[35:04.160 -> 35:07.360] whether that helped because as I mentioned to you just beforehand I
[35:07.360 -> 35:13.240] mean my my memory of 2009 is seeing that car so fast in Australia seeing real
[35:13.240 -> 35:16.300] confidence from you and Rubens and was it in Australia Rubens had a bit of a
[35:16.300 -> 35:19.280] shunt at the beginning and the car hardly got damaged and it looked like a
[35:19.280 -> 35:23.520] bulletproof Formula One car. Yeah turn one he had a bit of a touch, he had a bad start
[35:23.520 -> 35:27.200] didn't he and had a bit of a touch. And it was amazing and you were just on the crest of a wave
[35:27.200 -> 35:30.600] and then, I don't know whether you have any memory of this, but Nicola was the
[35:30.600 -> 35:34.120] press officer at Braun, is that right? Nicola, yeah. And I came to interview you
[35:34.120 -> 35:37.680] in Italy in the paddock and as we were walking to the motor and I mean that
[35:37.680 -> 35:39.960] would've been two-thirds of the way through the season, she said look just
[35:39.960 -> 35:45.280] just to say it's been half you races, his head's in a strange space, okay?
[35:45.280 -> 35:47.280] So we'll just see how it goes.
[35:47.280 -> 35:48.280] I was like, okay.
[35:48.280 -> 35:53.400] And you were like, I have to say, you were the friendliest, kindest, most open, brilliant
[35:53.400 -> 35:56.200] Formula One driver that any of us dealt with in our time in Formula One,
[35:56.200 -> 35:58.280] because you, like now, you were just you.
[35:58.280 -> 36:00.800] I came in the room, you didn't even look at me,
[36:00.800 -> 36:03.600] you didn't really want to do an interview, if I'm being totally honest,
[36:03.600 -> 36:07.320] you gave me two-word answers and it might have gone on the telly but I
[36:07.320 -> 36:10.800] think we just filled it with shots of you racing and the odd answer. What was
[36:10.800 -> 36:14.600] going on at that point? It was difficult, it was like my whole career in one
[36:14.600 -> 36:17.520] season, do you know what I mean, through the emotions and I'd learned from those
[36:17.520 -> 36:21.280] tough years but finally I'm in a position where I can win races, I can
[36:21.280 -> 36:29.360] fight for a championship. It was a brand new team if you like, you didn't know where the future was going to be, so
[36:29.360 -> 36:33.800] you had to take the opportunity to win the championship that year, which is lucky that
[36:33.800 -> 36:34.800] we did.
[36:34.800 -> 36:39.240] So I put so much pressure on myself, and pressure that I shouldn't have put on my shoulders,
[36:39.240 -> 36:42.780] because the car was good, the team were good, and I was performing well.
[36:42.780 -> 36:48.960] As soon as I had one bad race, which was Silverstone, the first of the bad races, being at home I wanted to
[36:48.960 -> 36:53.680] have a great race in front of the home crowd, a circuit I loved and it was so
[36:53.680 -> 36:58.680] cold and I was quite famous for not being able to get tire temperature and I
[36:58.680 -> 37:02.440] really struggled that race and I think I finished sixth after winning the first
[37:02.440 -> 37:05.240] six or seven races and And that really hurt me.
[37:05.240 -> 37:09.640] And it, you know, I didn't immediately ask for help or discuss it with anyone.
[37:09.640 -> 37:10.880] It went through quite a few races.
[37:10.880 -> 37:12.960] And this is when we had our bad interview, I'm sure.
[37:13.440 -> 37:18.960] And then my physio, Mikey Muscles, who I'd been with for many years before that,
[37:19.280 -> 37:23.480] he, while he was giving me a little rub on the, on the table, he said, JB, just
[37:23.760 -> 37:25.700] talk to me, he said, just, just talk to me, he said just talk
[37:25.700 -> 37:31.600] to me, just let it all out and it was the best thing he could have said and I did and
[37:31.600 -> 37:33.000] I just told him how I felt.
[37:33.000 -> 37:35.560] Could you reveal a bit of what you said?
[37:35.560 -> 37:41.580] I was just saying this could be my only chance and I've put so much pressure on myself and
[37:41.580 -> 37:48.840] every time I don't perform, whether it's in a practice lap or a qualifying lap or a lap in the race I feel the pressure building within
[37:48.840 -> 37:53.480] but then I also look at what they write because you know that the headlines are
[37:53.480 -> 37:59.080] always tough for a sportsman to read and nobody takes credit for the
[37:59.080 -> 38:02.560] headline you know they'll take credit for the article and they'll say oh the
[38:02.560 -> 38:06.400] headline wasn't me and the headlines are always the one that hit you the hardest when
[38:06.400 -> 38:10.920] it's negative so I was reading way too much you know I would love it when they
[38:10.920 -> 38:13.840] write positive stuff of course I read everything and then suddenly they're
[38:13.840 -> 38:17.520] writing negative stuff and I couldn't help myself from reading it and that
[38:17.520 -> 38:23.160] really took its toll and being open with Mikey was really key to let everything
[38:23.160 -> 38:25.420] out relax and then just get
[38:25.420 -> 38:29.480] on with my job and I remember getting asked by a British journalist in Spa and
[38:29.480 -> 38:33.780] I was quick in Spa but I got I crashed it at the start of the race it was Roman
[38:33.780 -> 38:37.300] Grosjean tapped me in the rear and I crashed actually with Lewis at the time
[38:37.300 -> 38:41.360] and I came in he said Jensen it's like you don't want to win this world
[38:41.360 -> 38:48.320] championship and it was just the most stupid question, the most stupid comment and I basically just told him to leave
[38:48.320 -> 38:53.160] and everyone else did as well, all the other journalists, but that was when it
[38:53.160 -> 38:57.920] was his lowest point but after that as I said I spoke to Mikey and I came out
[38:57.920 -> 39:02.040] feeling a lot fresher, we'd spend more time with fitness just getting away from
[39:02.040 -> 39:06.960] stuff over the race weekends, not focusing too much on looking at a timing screen
[39:06.960 -> 39:08.840] over practice sessions and stuff like that.
[39:08.840 -> 39:11.200] So getting away from it so I could come back
[39:11.200 -> 39:13.720] and felt a lot more fresh when I jumped in the car.
[39:13.720 -> 39:15.920] And I definitely felt it when I was racing.
[39:15.920 -> 39:16.960] I felt more alive.
[39:16.960 -> 39:18.420] I felt like that young kid again
[39:18.420 -> 39:20.840] that just jumped into an F1 car with Williams.
[39:20.840 -> 39:22.520] You know, I felt like that again.
[39:22.520 -> 39:24.840] And I kind of forgot about the championship
[39:24.840 -> 39:26.440] and just took every race as it came.
[39:26.440 -> 39:31.760] And have I remembered it right that in Brazil when you won the world title, where did you qualify for that race?
[39:31.760 -> 39:32.560] Fourteenth.
[39:32.560 -> 39:34.560] And you had to finish what, fifth or sixth or something?
[39:34.560 -> 39:36.560] Yeah, my teammate qualified on pole.
[39:36.560 -> 39:41.120] We as a team, I'm going to say we as a team, made the wrong choice on tyres in qualifying.
[39:41.120 -> 39:43.120] We went on the inter and we should have been on the wet.
[39:43.120 -> 39:48.000] And Vettel did exactly the same thing because they were basically copying us and he was my
[39:48.000 -> 39:52.840] closest rival really and he started 16th. So we didn't have the car really that
[39:52.840 -> 39:56.140] was quick enough compared to the Red Bull or the McLaren but I knew I had to
[39:56.140 -> 40:00.520] finish in the top five and it was tough because my teammate called a funnel pole
[40:00.520 -> 40:04.440] he was Brazilian. I remember going to restaurants in Brazil and them putting a
[40:04.440 -> 40:07.020] ladder outside the front door so I had to walk under it to
[40:07.020 -> 40:10.900] give me bad luck. Marginal gains. Exactly. Didn't you turn up on that race day
[40:10.900 -> 40:14.380] but like with real serenity? Yeah I was actually, I had a pint the night before
[40:14.380 -> 40:19.540] race which I probably wasn't supposed to do but I had a pint in the in the hotel
[40:19.540 -> 40:22.820] bar with my dad and I just looked at him I said I'm gonna win the World
[40:22.820 -> 40:25.720] Championship tomorrow, I have to win the World Championship tomorrow before the last race of the season and he just looked at him and said, I'm gonna win the world championship tomorrow. I have to win the world championship tomorrow
[40:25.720 -> 40:27.580] before the last race of the season.
[40:27.580 -> 40:29.080] And he just looked at me and nodded.
[40:29.080 -> 40:31.200] And woke up the next day, refreshed,
[40:31.200 -> 40:34.640] walked into the team and they're like, oh, okay.
[40:34.640 -> 40:36.760] And had a great race, one of the best races of my life,
[40:36.760 -> 40:39.720] fighting through and the car was obviously working well,
[40:39.720 -> 40:43.280] but yeah, fighting through and all the time on the radio,
[40:43.280 -> 40:44.320] it's like, where are we?
[40:44.320 -> 40:47.880] Where's Lewis? Where's Sebastian? Where do we need to be? And having as much
[40:47.880 -> 40:51.800] information as possible how hard I should push, how brave I had to be on the
[40:51.800 -> 40:54.880] moves of overtaking people because a lot of them were like close
[40:54.880 -> 40:59.200] calls and yeah crossing that finish line it was a very special and
[40:59.200 -> 41:03.640] emotional moment. Doing it that way for me it felt that race, you know the highs
[41:03.640 -> 41:09.720] and the lows of that race weekend was my whole career in two days. So it sounds like you discovered almost
[41:09.720 -> 41:14.840] a winning formula to handle pressure so what tips and advice would you give to
[41:14.840 -> 41:18.440] anyone listening to this about how they can handle pressure in their own lives?
[41:18.440 -> 41:22.600] Yeah I think it's it's being open as I said not being afraid to show a
[41:22.600 -> 41:27.760] weakness to the people around you because they're the people that you're gonna need when times are tough
[41:27.760 -> 41:31.240] surrounding yourself with good people you know I was very lucky I had my old
[41:31.240 -> 41:36.860] boy I had my manager I had Mikey Muscles my mates Richie and Chrissie who were at
[41:36.860 -> 41:40.200] pretty much every race and they're racing drivers I've raced with them
[41:40.200 -> 41:45.800] since I was eight so having good people around you around you, just to let you know what you
[41:45.800 -> 41:51.160] have achieved and how good you are, but without, as I said, blowing smoke up, where the sun
[41:51.160 -> 41:56.000] doesn't shine. But that was really important to me, having a good team of people. Being
[41:56.000 -> 42:01.240] alone, I would have struggled. And I know other drivers struggled like that. I know
[42:01.240 -> 42:05.840] Lewis when we were teammates in 2011, he struggled because he didn't have that
[42:05.840 -> 42:07.180] team of people around me.
[42:07.180 -> 42:10.540] And that is what helped me a lot in my career.
[42:10.540 -> 42:13.640] But it also sounded like your answer echoed
[42:13.640 -> 42:16.180] one of our previous guests was Johnny Wilkinson
[42:16.180 -> 42:18.680] that spoke about, he realized how much
[42:18.680 -> 42:20.780] he was living in the future.
[42:20.780 -> 42:23.320] And he learned the key to it was living in the present
[42:23.320 -> 42:27.480] and just focusing on the moment. How much of that was consistent with you?
[42:27.480 -> 42:29.360] We all look too much to the future, don't we?
[42:29.360 -> 42:31.160] We're all looking at what we're gonna do next.
[42:31.160 -> 42:32.960] And living in the moment is key,
[42:32.960 -> 42:36.880] and there are times when we need to look at the past,
[42:36.880 -> 42:39.000] especially when it's about achievements,
[42:39.000 -> 42:41.800] but you do need to live in the moment.
[42:41.800 -> 42:43.640] And once the race is over, as I said,
[42:43.640 -> 42:47.440] for me to write everything down, write down my weaknesses, why it didn't work for me in
[42:47.440 -> 42:52.200] that situation and then go over it in my head and then put a line through it and
[42:52.200 -> 42:56.040] move on and that was that was really important for me to really live in the
[42:56.040 -> 42:59.480] moment as you said because I was thinking too much of the past and
[42:59.480 -> 43:03.320] thinking how much the past was going to hurt my future if you like. And I think
[43:03.320 -> 43:05.140] there's a great lesson from this whole conversation,
[43:05.140 -> 43:07.020] which we're nearly out of time with.
[43:07.020 -> 43:09.380] We all exist looking at other people,
[43:09.380 -> 43:11.640] particularly now with the advent of social media,
[43:11.640 -> 43:13.780] and we imagine everyone else's life is so easy,
[43:13.780 -> 43:15.680] and all of us in this room would have looked at you
[43:15.680 -> 43:18.320] over those years and thought, what a blessed existence.
[43:18.320 -> 43:21.300] He gets up, gets on a private jet, goes to a race,
[43:21.300 -> 43:23.140] races with a big smile on his face, has a drink,
[43:23.140 -> 43:24.700] and then goes back to his lovely apartment.
[43:24.700 -> 43:28.680] And they'd be right. Yeah, but they don't take into account
[43:28.680 -> 43:32.440] the writing things down, the struggles, the failures. I know you had anxiety attacks at
[43:32.440 -> 43:37.320] times during your career as well. This is a great reminder for everyone, just don't
[43:37.320 -> 43:41.400] assume everyone else is just living that life of serenity. Yeah, I mean what you see on
[43:41.400 -> 43:47.000] TV is what you try and portray as an individual. And I always wanted to be the smiley guy because that's why I should be, right?
[43:47.000 -> 43:50.000] I'm driving an F1 car, it's the best job in the world.
[43:50.000 -> 43:53.000] And it was, but it comes with an immense amount of pressure.
[43:53.000 -> 43:59.000] One that you put yourself under a lot of pressure, but the team does, the journalists, everyone.
[43:59.000 -> 44:03.000] Every slip-up is on TV for the world to see.
[44:03.000 -> 44:06.720] And having your life under a microscope is really tough.
[44:06.720 -> 44:10.000] You didn't get into motorsport wanting that.
[44:10.000 -> 44:11.720] You didn't want to be a celebrity.
[44:11.720 -> 44:14.680] You wanted to be a sportsman and achieve in Formula 1.
[44:14.680 -> 44:20.920] It's not like a singer or an actor that needs the public behind them to actually achieve in this.
[44:20.920 -> 44:24.440] We love having support because it's amazing,
[44:24.440 -> 44:25.840] but when they write
[44:25.840 -> 44:29.040] negatives about you it's it's really really tough and it does get you down
[44:29.040 -> 44:33.320] and I understand a lot of drivers have been through the same and I would say
[44:33.320 -> 44:37.780] have a someone at every race with you that you can sit down and talk to
[44:37.780 -> 44:41.360] face-to-face even if they're not saying anything it's just getting it out and
[44:41.360 -> 44:48.640] you know I think drivers these days should have that support and I looking back I would have but I was I thought I was too much
[44:48.640 -> 44:54.400] of a man to have support and you do at this level of the pinnacle of any sport
[44:54.400 -> 44:58.280] you need that that support. It's great advice and now you're in this world
[44:58.280 -> 45:02.400] which is very different you've got two children you're doing all kinds of
[45:02.400 -> 45:06.000] different exciting projects including working with Lotus and Legerre as well.
[45:06.000 -> 45:10.000] What do you do now to kind of keep that adrenaline going?
[45:10.000 -> 45:14.000] Like what gets you out of bed in the mornings these days?
[45:14.000 -> 45:15.000] That's a very good question.
[45:15.000 -> 45:20.000] And you know when I stopped racing in F1, I raced in Japan for a couple of years which is great.
[45:20.000 -> 45:25.700] And then I stopped racing in Japan and for six months it was like, oh this is nice, you know, relaxing and
[45:25.700 -> 45:32.700] oh we're having children now, it's gonna be really hectic but I kind of struggled with what am I gonna do next?
[45:32.700 -> 45:37.500] Something that was gonna give me that adrenaline, that excitement to build something really.
[45:37.500 -> 45:43.500] And I struggled, you know, I was working with sponsors which was great and obviously working with TV, Sky Sports
[45:43.500 -> 45:46.580] but I didn't have that thing to sink my teeth into
[45:46.580 -> 45:48.520] that I could really make a big change.
[45:48.520 -> 45:51.040] And then I spoke to a good friend, Ann Stead,
[45:51.040 -> 45:53.580] and Mark Stubbs, who's a car designer,
[45:53.580 -> 45:54.900] and we came up with the idea
[45:54.900 -> 45:57.580] to take over Radford Coachbuilding.
[45:57.580 -> 46:00.600] And that's what I've been doing the last year or so,
[46:00.600 -> 46:03.040] working with those guys, working on a TV series,
[46:03.040 -> 46:09.660] but also working on developing these wonderful coach built cars and I'm basically the drive
[46:09.660 -> 46:14.440] part of it, I'm the test driver so I'm building something that I would love to
[46:14.440 -> 46:18.200] drive every day and I think if I can do that, if I can develop something that
[46:18.200 -> 46:21.720] works for me, I think it works for everyone. That was my big strength really
[46:21.720 -> 46:25.000] in motor racing is developing a car that would really work for me.
[46:25.000 -> 46:30.000] So I'm loving it. It's such a fun project and we're working with Lotus on the first car.
[46:30.000 -> 46:34.000] They've been fantastic, you know, working with our engineers and using their chassis
[46:34.000 -> 46:39.000] to develop our coach built body for it and interior and what have you.
[46:39.000 -> 46:46.000] So it's awesome and we're announcing our first car later this year or launching our first car later this year, which should be fun.
[46:46.000 -> 46:49.000] But along with that, yeah, there's a lot going on.
[46:49.000 -> 46:56.000] Working with Lotus also with cycle brand, Leger, and also building bikes together.
[46:56.000 -> 46:57.000] Xtreme E.
[46:57.000 -> 46:58.000] So you're busy.
[46:58.000 -> 46:59.000] Yeah, Xtreme E.
[46:59.000 -> 47:06.800] Working with Lotus again, with Lotus Engineering on learning a lot about electric vehicles and how we can
[47:06.800 -> 47:10.680] develop it for the future. And the Xtreme E team is doing really well. Much better when
[47:10.680 -> 47:14.400] I'm not driving it, I find. So I've got to decide in the next race what I'm going to
[47:14.400 -> 47:19.120] do. But a great team of people and we're third in the championship. Funny enough, behind
[47:19.120 -> 47:29.240] one ex-F1 world champion and behind the current F1 world champion so yeah Lewis's team is second in the championship I think and Nico's team is first so yeah keep on
[47:29.240 -> 47:33.360] their tail yes listen we always end with some quick fire questions on the high
[47:33.360 -> 47:36.920] performance podcast and the first one is for you and the teams that you're
[47:36.920 -> 47:40.120] building and the projects you're involved in now what would you say are
[47:40.120 -> 47:44.360] the three non-negotiable behaviors that people have to bring to the table based
[47:44.360 -> 47:47.480] on all the years of experience that we've just spent the time talking about?
[47:47.480 -> 47:52.000] Yeah I think what we've mentioned already, one is you know wanting to
[47:52.000 -> 47:56.760] learn, wanting to be a better you. I think taking on positive criticism
[47:56.760 -> 48:03.280] is really key and doing something you love you know. I mean we don't all
[48:03.280 -> 48:05.760] have the opportunity, I know that in life,
[48:05.760 -> 48:06.840] but if you do get the opportunity
[48:06.840 -> 48:08.840] to go after something you love,
[48:08.840 -> 48:10.220] it's going to be the best you.
[48:10.220 -> 48:12.560] So what advice would you give to a teenage Jensen
[48:12.560 -> 48:14.040] just starting out?
[48:14.040 -> 48:15.160] It's the same thing, really.
[48:15.160 -> 48:17.240] You know, it's being very open,
[48:17.240 -> 48:20.120] listening to everything that comes at you
[48:20.120 -> 48:22.960] from all the greats around the world.
[48:22.960 -> 48:24.160] You know, through my career,
[48:24.160 -> 48:25.640] there were so many great F1 drivers
[48:25.640 -> 48:28.040] that came to me and gave me their opinion
[48:28.040 -> 48:32.120] on not just my driving, but who I should be working
[48:32.120 -> 48:35.720] with in F1, and also the experiences they went through.
[48:35.720 -> 48:37.080] And they said, you're probably gonna go through
[48:37.080 -> 48:38.720] this emotion one day.
[48:38.720 -> 48:40.800] I'm like, nah, I'm not gonna go through that.
[48:40.800 -> 48:43.200] It's never gonna be hard, but it happens to all of us.
[48:43.200 -> 48:44.640] So take it on board.
[48:44.640 -> 48:47.080] Take all the information from these greats on board
[48:47.080 -> 48:51.360] whatever it is, whatever you do as a job, someone has been through it before you
[48:51.360 -> 48:54.800] so take it all on board. And talking of taking things on board, what would you
[48:54.800 -> 48:59.200] recommend as either a book or a podcast or something for people to listen to
[48:59.200 -> 49:04.520] that has spoken to you? One for me was, because I love triathlons as well, you
[49:04.520 -> 49:06.080] know, love Ironman and the
[49:06.080 -> 49:12.140] mental game of an Ironman, because it's an endurance sport, physical is important but
[49:12.140 -> 49:16.200] it's also what your head goes through, through those eight hours of an Ironman. So for me
[49:16.200 -> 49:22.200] Iron War is a great book, Dave Scott, Mark Allen, two of the greatest triathletes in
[49:22.200 -> 49:26.320] the world at that moment, this is a long time, it's a few decades ago now.
[49:26.320 -> 49:29.400] But they were coming, they'd been racing on the swim,
[49:29.400 -> 49:31.320] the bike, head to head the whole way,
[49:31.320 -> 49:33.080] but the run was the one that was filmed.
[49:33.080 -> 49:36.080] And they're in shot pretty much the whole run,
[49:36.080 -> 49:39.440] running side by side, and one would take one bigger step
[49:39.440 -> 49:41.920] than the other, and you just see the mental game with them.
[49:41.920 -> 49:43.920] It's hurting, the pain on their faces,
[49:43.920 -> 49:46.740] but they're not giving up because the other guy
[49:46.740 -> 49:50.200] is next to them and has pushed on that little bit more.
[49:50.200 -> 49:52.200] They're trying to hide the pain
[49:52.200 -> 49:54.880] so the other guy can't see it, but it's coming through
[49:54.880 -> 49:59.460] and it is just awesome to watch that fight
[49:59.460 -> 50:02.020] between two greats and you know the emotion,
[50:02.020 -> 50:03.960] the physical stress, the mental stress
[50:03.960 -> 50:05.840] that they're going through at that moment in time
[50:05.840 -> 50:08.200] And it's a I mean I've seen on YouTube, but also
[50:08.840 -> 50:14.060] You know you can you can read the book, so what's your greatest strength and your greatest weakness?
[50:15.120 -> 50:17.660] My greatest weakness was that I wasn't
[50:18.240 -> 50:20.240] Willing to move on from a bad weekend
[50:20.320 -> 50:26.000] But I feel that I've definitely got over that one thing that I've not been able to get over is driving a bad car.
[50:26.000 -> 50:28.000] You know, that's my weakness.
[50:28.000 -> 50:35.000] You know, Luis, Fernando Alonso can jump in a bad car and get more out of it than I can.
[50:35.000 -> 50:36.000] That's probably my weakness.
[50:36.000 -> 50:40.000] Strength is, the way I drive is very different to most.
[50:40.000 -> 50:43.000] For example, Luis comes into a corner,
[50:43.000 -> 50:45.360] it's great because I have all the speed traces
[50:45.360 -> 50:49.380] and everything from the data when we were teammates, but hammers the brake as hard as
[50:49.380 -> 50:54.780] he can, there's no modulation, turns into the corner, goes on the throttle, the same
[50:54.780 -> 50:58.780] amount of pressure every time, it's linear, and he does everything through the steering
[50:58.780 -> 51:00.020] wheel.
[51:00.020 -> 51:03.920] Whereas I was the complete opposite, I would brake and modulate it, that's to stop front
[51:03.920 -> 51:05.520] locking, and I would come on the throttle and modulate it, well that's to stop front locking,
[51:05.520 -> 51:08.120] and I would come on the throttle and modulate the throttle
[51:08.120 -> 51:10.920] so that I didn't have to change my steering angle.
[51:10.920 -> 51:12.200] So I'd be smoothing the steering,
[51:12.200 -> 51:13.320] they'd say, oh, it looks so smooth,
[51:13.320 -> 51:16.280] it's just because that's what I would use,
[51:16.280 -> 51:18.480] very differently than someone like Lewis.
[51:18.480 -> 51:19.560] That hurt me in some ways,
[51:19.560 -> 51:21.280] but it helped me in those mixed conditions,
[51:21.280 -> 51:24.020] really feel the condition underneath me.
[51:24.020 -> 51:28.180] So modulating the brake, when you come into braking,'re not going to be locking up as much. You don't
[51:28.180 -> 51:32.340] want steering angle in the wax, it's very easy to lose the rear and modulating the throttle
[51:32.340 -> 51:37.940] is key as well because it controls that. I feel that I felt the car through my bum a
[51:37.940 -> 51:43.380] lot more than others. A lot of people would see it's wet and drive to what they see, whereas
[51:43.380 -> 51:48.840] I would drive to what I felt. That's where my strength was in those mixed conditions and half my victories
[51:48.840 -> 51:53.080] were in in F1 were in mixed conditions so I'm not saying I like those conditions
[51:53.080 -> 51:57.720] no one likes it but I just did better than others. Very good and look the final
[51:57.720 -> 52:01.240] question really and it's kind of a last message from you to the listeners of the
[52:01.240 -> 52:05.760] podcast what is your one golden rule your one message you'd like to leave with them
[52:05.760 -> 52:06.960] that you've learned over the years
[52:06.960 -> 52:09.480] for living a high-performance life?
[52:09.480 -> 52:11.280] It's gonna be bloody hard.
[52:11.280 -> 52:12.120] It really is.
[52:12.120 -> 52:12.940] But that's not a bad thing.
[52:12.940 -> 52:14.280] What's hard isn't necessarily bad, right?
[52:14.280 -> 52:15.120] It isn't.
[52:15.120 -> 52:15.940] You're gonna have a lot of failures
[52:15.940 -> 52:18.240] before you actually achieve,
[52:18.240 -> 52:20.160] but it's embracing those failures,
[52:20.160 -> 52:24.320] and we all say it, but learning from those failures.
[52:24.320 -> 52:26.120] But it's difficult. It really is difficult getting over those failures, but it's learning but learning from those failures but it's difficult it
[52:26.120 -> 52:29.320] really is difficult getting over those failures but it's learning to get over
[52:29.320 -> 52:31.880] those failures that's what's gonna make you a great champion.
[52:31.880 -> 52:36.240] Brilliant, look thank you so much for your time and for your honesty and despite the fact you talk about all
[52:36.240 -> 52:40.560] those moments of failure I can honestly say that when I was involved in F1 you
[52:40.560 -> 52:44.120] were so kind of open and honest with people and you managed to sort of carry
[52:44.120 -> 52:47.160] yourself in such a dignified way and I'm sure it was a lot to do with the people
[52:47.160 -> 52:50.400] that were around you but it's a testament to the kind of person you are
[52:50.400 -> 52:53.440] as well. You were there from when we won the World Championship yeah and we're
[52:53.440 -> 52:58.260] giving you a big hug in the garage. It was hectic wasn't it? Yeah yeah yeah. I mean
[52:58.260 -> 53:01.560] there wasn't an inch between everyone in the garage it was madness. Because it was
[53:01.560 -> 53:05.700] deadly quiet and then all the snappers came in and then you came in a moment afterwards
[53:05.700 -> 53:08.640] So just that you had a kind of a thousand-yard stare
[53:08.640 -> 53:12.300] I mean, I guess it was just like this moment had arrived and it had happened for you
[53:12.300 -> 53:16.280] But obviously it was a pleasure to share that and it's a pleasure to see today and to catch up
[53:16.280 -> 53:21.020] So, thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, Formula One world champion Jenson Button. Thank you
[53:20.840 -> 53:21.660] Jensen Button. Thank you.
[53:21.660 -> 53:22.500] Cheers, guys.
[53:22.500 -> 53:23.340] Thank you.
[53:23.340 -> 53:24.160] Thank you.
[53:24.160 -> 53:25.000] Thank you.
[53:25.000 -> 53:25.840] Thank you.
[53:25.840 -> 53:26.660] Thank you.
[53:26.660 -> 53:27.500] Damien.
[53:27.500 -> 53:28.340] Jake.
[53:28.340 -> 53:31.340] Before we talk about Jensen and what we made of what he had
[53:31.340 -> 53:33.060] to say, how did you find doing that episode
[53:33.060 -> 53:34.460] in front of a live audience?
[53:34.460 -> 53:36.300] I thought it was really interesting.
[53:36.300 -> 53:39.820] I felt nervous beforehand because I was,
[53:39.820 -> 53:42.020] I think sometimes, I think it's the intimacy
[53:42.020 -> 53:49.520] of us being together with somebody in the room, just ourselves, that sometimes allows them to open up dwi'n credu, weithiau, dwi'n credu bod y cyfnod o ein bod yn gyd gyda rhywun yn y stryd, dim ond ein hunain, sydd weithiau yn gallu eu defnyddio ychydig mwy a gallant ddod yn
[53:49.520 -> 53:56.240] ddiogel i fod yn anodd. Felly roeddwn i'n brofiad o fod yna o bobl,
[53:56.240 -> 54:01.120] gallai hynny'n cynhyrchu Jenson o ran yr hyn y mae'n ei ddangos, ond dwi'n credu ei fod wedi gweithio
[54:01.120 -> 54:05.000] i ni, dwi'n credu, dwi'n credu, oherwydd oedd yna bobl yn mynd i'w ddysgu,
[54:05.000 -> 54:09.000] dwi'n credu ei fod yn golygu ei fod wedi rhoi mwy na'r hyn y byddai wedi'i wneud
[54:09.000 -> 54:10.000] os oedd gennym ni'r ddau.
[54:10.000 -> 54:11.000] Ond a pha am eich hun?
[54:11.000 -> 54:14.000] Wel, mae'n fy nghyfathrebu ein bod yn rhaid i ni gael cymorth fawr ar y ffordd.
[54:14.000 -> 54:15.000] Ie, dwi'n credu...
[54:15.000 -> 54:16.000] Dwi'n credu y bydd pobl yn dod i mewn.
[54:16.000 -> 54:18.000] Os ydyn ni'n gwneud y tour, bydd pobl yn dod i mewn, dwi'n credu?
[54:18.000 -> 54:20.000] Wel, dwi'n gofyn i fy mam,
[54:20.000 -> 54:22.000] mae hi'n dweud, dwi'n siŵr y bydd eich mam a'ch dad yn ymwneud â hyn.
[54:22.000 -> 54:24.000] Gallwch chi ffeinio, dewch i Mr a Mrs Hughes.
[54:24.000 -> 54:28.020] Helo Mr a Mrs Humphrey, welcome to the Apollo in London.
[54:28.020 -> 54:31.540] Don't worry about the 17,198 empty seats.
[54:31.540 -> 54:32.680] Yeah.
[54:32.680 -> 54:34.180] No, I did, I really enjoyed it.
[54:34.180 -> 54:38.220] I feel the same as you, I think that with the right guest
[54:38.220 -> 54:42.920] who enjoys, because he enjoys playing to the crowd as well,
[54:42.920 -> 54:44.480] Jenson, he's an entertainer.
[54:44.480 -> 54:47.120] So I think it worked in that in that instance actually and
[54:48.520 -> 54:54.400] Like obviously I know him and I know like well when we first spoke about him being on the podcast
[54:55.320 -> 54:56.120] To be honest
[54:56.120 -> 55:02.440] I was a little bit reticent because I know that that isn't a natural place for him to go the mindset the thought process behind
[55:02.440 -> 55:03.720] What he did
[55:03.720 -> 55:07.360] He was one of the nicest guys to spend time with in Formula One,
[55:07.360 -> 55:10.400] but like a lot of athletes, there was always a bit of a barrier to protect himself
[55:10.400 -> 55:13.600] rather than any sort of ego-centric type thing.
[55:13.600 -> 55:18.640] It was just to put himself mentally where he needed to be to perform.
[55:18.640 -> 55:23.200] And I think that the sort of few years he's had out of Formula One
[55:23.200 -> 55:25.600] has perhaps just made him aig mwy centred,
[55:25.600 -> 55:27.520] mae'n fath nawr,
[55:27.520 -> 55:28.720] rwy'n credu ei fod yn cael ymweld,
[55:28.720 -> 55:30.160] mae'n byw mewn America.
[55:30.160 -> 55:33.520] Felly rwy'n teimlo fy mod yn gwybod mwy am Jenson Button
[55:33.520 -> 55:35.040] na'r blynyddoedd rydw i wedi'u gwneud
[55:35.040 -> 55:36.480] ar ôl ei dilyn mewn pob rhys.
[55:36.480 -> 55:37.720] Rwy'n credu, ar gyfer llawer o'n gweinwyr,
[55:37.720 -> 55:39.760] weithiau, rwy'n credu y gallai'r rhanfod
[55:39.760 -> 55:41.080] gael y pwysigrwydd arnynt,
[55:41.080 -> 55:42.280] oherwydd rydych chi'n dechrau meddwl am
[55:42.280 -> 55:44.480] beth rydych chi'n mynd i'w ddod o'i gilydd
[55:44.480 -> 55:48.880] ar ôl hynny arnynt, oherwydd rydych yn dechrau meddwl am beth y byddwch chi'n mynd i'w ddod allan i'ch plant eich hun ddysgu arnaf. Felly, ie, dydw i ddim wedi ystyried hynny,
[55:48.880 -> 55:54.480] ond efallai oedd hynny yn effaith y ffordd y gafodd ei ddod i mewn i'r cyfarfod.
[55:55.360 -> 55:56.960] A oes gennych chi hoffi'r hyn roedd e'n rhaid iddo dweud?
[55:56.960 -> 56:00.160] Ie, roeddwn i'n hoffi'r hyn. Roeddwn i'n hoffi, eto, roeddwn i'n hoffi'r sylwad o
[56:00.160 -> 56:04.320] gynhyrchu cyfathrebuau rydyn ni'n ei gael. Felly pan ddweud y stori am
[56:07.040 -> 56:12.720] ymdrechion cyfrifol y mae gennym, felly pan ddweud y stori am Flavio Beatori, yn ei gynnwys fel gwaithwyr, ac yna pan ddweud ynghylch sut oedd hynny'n dymuno, oherwydd sut oedd yn gweithio'n
[56:12.720 -> 56:18.960] anodd ac sut oedd ei ddisgyblion, roedd ei bywyd. Unwaith eto, roedd hwnnw'n golygu da iawn y byddwn
[56:18.960 -> 56:24.400] angen edrych ar y gofyn o'r llyfr yn hytrach na'n gwneud ymdrechion gwirioneddol yn hwyl.
[56:27.760 -> 56:28.400] the cover of a book rather than just making sweeping easy judgments. Yeah, and I think the other thing is it's another reminder of
[56:33.560 -> 56:34.000] how being a high-level professional sports person is so exposing and
[56:38.300 -> 56:41.680] And that is a real challenge for some people and he readily said on the podcast didn't you know? I didn't have the talent that other people had but I managed to work really hard
[56:41.680 -> 56:51.360] And I think that's the sort of thing that you can't say publicly when you're in the midst of a title battle or you're competing at the very top again, it's only with that benefit of hindsight you can step back and
[56:51.820 -> 56:56.700] Give yourself the credit for the work that you did do but you know, he's a world champion, baby
[56:57.000 -> 57:00.520] Like that's a that is a hell of a legacy right there, isn't it?
[57:00.520 -> 57:04.580] So for him to take the time to talk to us and for the crowd to come and really respond to it as well
[57:04.580 -> 57:06.400] And you know, they were excited to watch a high-performance podcast record as well yno, felly iddo i hi ddweud wrthym, i ddweud wrthym, ac i'r cyhoedd ddod a mewn gwirionedd yn ymdrech i hynny hefyd, ac roedden nhw'n cyffrous i
[57:06.400 -> 57:09.360] gweld recordio pwdcastau cyffrous hefyd, felly
[57:09.360 -> 57:12.880] yn unig, roeddwn i'n ei ddod o mewn i mewn, fel mewn prifadd ddiddorol, ond
[57:12.880 -> 57:16.880] prifadd gwahanol iawn i'r math o beth rydyn ni wedi'i wneud cyn iawn.
[57:16.880 -> 57:20.320] Ie, ond eto, rwy'n credu byddai'n dda iawn bod, fel roedd gennym ni ddim
[57:20.320 -> 57:23.520] cyfle i wneud hynny ar y diwrnod, ond os oeddem yn gwneud
[57:23.520 -> 57:25.520] cyfansoddiadau llawn lle y gall pobl
[57:25.520 -> 57:30.560] gofyn cwestiynau eu hunain hefyd a efallai ddod at rhai o'r ymchwilau hwn o
[57:30.560 -> 57:35.600] gwahanol ffyrdd o'r hyn rydyn ni'n ei ddod i mewn hefyd, rwy'n credu y byddai llawer o waith o'i gynllunio.
[57:35.600 -> 57:38.880] Rwy'n cydnabod yn unig. Mae pethau'n mynd yn ddiddorol o ran y llyfr Hwyllt,
[57:38.880 -> 57:42.160] ar ôl i ni, cyn i ni ysgolio o'r ddiwedd hwn, dylwn ni ddweud i bobl y byddwn ni wedi
[57:42.160 -> 57:47.760] ysgrifennu llyfr. Felly dwi ddim wedi bod ymwneud â'r broses hon o'r blaen, mae'n ddiddorol iawn, yw'n hi, pan
[57:47.760 -> 57:51.360] gaelwch e-bwyswm, Damien, ac y llyfr yn unig yn yr hyn y byddai'n edrych ar y bobl
[57:51.360 -> 57:54.080] yw ar y llyfr. Iawn. Rwy'n meddwl, oh, mae'n hyfryd!
[57:54.080 -> 57:56.320] Dwi'n gwybod, ac byddai'n hyfyrach nawr pan ddod i ni'n gwblhau'n
[57:56.320 -> 58:01.920] unig, fel copi tangible yn ein handd. Dwi'n cael y llyfr audiog hefyd,
[58:01.920 -> 58:10.080] ond rhaid i ni gael'r datganiadau recordio, ond i unrhyw un sy'n hoffi ysgrifennu eu llyfrau neu mae'r llyfrau wedi'u ddysgu iddo,
[58:10.080 -> 58:15.280] bydd hynny hefyd ar gael, a gall pobl gael eu pre-ordio ar hyn o bryd hefyd.
[58:15.280 -> 58:18.960] Briliant. Beth ydych chi'n mynd i'w wneud? Yn ffwrdd o ffwrdd, neu ar y ffwrdd o ffyrdd?
[58:18.960 -> 58:20.080] Beth ydych chi'n teimlo?
[58:20.080 -> 58:22.080] Sut ydyn ni'n mynd i weithio hynny?
[58:22.080 -> 58:25.000] Rwy'n credu, ie, dwi'n credu...
[58:25.000 -> 58:27.000] Gallwch chi wneud yr holl ffyrdd o ffyrddau?
[58:27.000 -> 58:31.000] Yn unig beth sydd yn ychydig technigol neu'n ddiwydiannol,
[58:31.000 -> 58:34.000] yn ychydig yn ychwanegol, gallwch chi ddweud y ffyrddau hynny?
[58:34.000 -> 58:36.000] Dwi'n mynd i wneud y ans a'r its a phethau fel hynny.
[58:36.000 -> 58:38.000] Dwi'n credu dydych chi'n deall eich hun, Jake.
[58:38.000 -> 58:43.000] Dwi'n credu, dwi'n credu, rhai o'ch stori a rydych chi'n eu rhannu hefyd,
[58:43.000 -> 58:45.040] yn enwedig o'ch gyrfa eich hun,
[58:45.040 -> 58:49.440] rwy'n credu y bydd pobl yn eu hoffi, rwy'n credu, eto, bydd yn rhoi sylwadau wir i
[58:49.440 -> 58:53.440] y crafft rydych chi'n ei wneud a rhai o'ch ymdrech hefyd.
[58:54.080 -> 58:57.120] Wel, gobeithio y bydd pobl yn mwynhau'n ffordd o gwahanol fforddau gwahanol, ac
[58:58.000 -> 59:00.320] gallwch gynhyrchu'r llyfr yma ar hyn o bryd. Os ydych chi'n edrych ar y gysylltiad ar y
[59:00.320 -> 59:03.840] gysylltiad ar gyfer y pwdcast hon, byddwch yn cael y llin yma. Gallwch hefyd yn gynhyrchu
[59:03.840 -> 59:06.120] ar the highperformancepodcast.com.
[59:06.120 -> 59:07.880] You can actually get your hands on the signed copies
[59:07.880 -> 59:09.600] already as part of the pre-order.
[59:09.600 -> 59:12.300] And the book is out on the 9th of December.
[59:12.300 -> 59:14.740] Right, Damien, I'm well aware that we're interrupting
[59:14.740 -> 59:16.480] a family holiday for you to hop on this record
[59:16.480 -> 59:17.420] and talk about JB.
[59:17.420 -> 59:18.720] So I will let you go.
[59:18.720 -> 59:21.300] Back to the beach, back to the family, back to the holiday,
[59:21.300 -> 59:22.840] because as you've told us many times,
[59:22.840 -> 59:24.520] races are one in a pit stop.
[59:24.520 -> 59:27.980] Recreation is another way of saying recreation so go and enjoy
[59:27.980 -> 59:31.620] your recreation I'll see you soon thanks mate and thanks again for having us along
[59:31.620 -> 59:34.540] on the episode I love this one so I'll see you soon
[59:34.540 -> 59:38.260] top man thanks Damien and I'm sure you at home will join me in saying thanks to
[59:38.260 -> 59:41.420] Damien for everything he brings to the high performance podcast also to Hannah
[59:41.420 -> 59:45.020] will Finn Ryan from rethink audio and all the team
[59:45.020 -> 59:48.620] involved in trying to make this podcast as engaging and interesting as we can
[59:48.620 -> 59:53.340] for you as always thank you most of all though for being part of it a quick
[59:53.340 -> 59:56.840] reminder that you can join the high performance circle at the high
[59:56.840 -> 59:59.920] performance podcast comm you can pre-order the book you can find us on
[59:59.920 -> 01:00:03.740] YouTube and Instagram but however you do it as we come to the end of this series
[01:00:03.740 -> 01:00:06.000] actually just keep engaged with what
[01:00:06.000 -> 01:00:06.500] we're doing.
[01:00:06.500 -> 01:00:08.600] Keep on coming for more content and we'll keep on doing
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[01:00:12.300 -> 01:00:12.700] the tools.
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