E73 - Olympics Special #2: Kate Richardson-Walsh

Kate Richardson-Walsh is the most capped female hockey player in her country's history. Kate was captain of GB women’s hockey teams for 13 years and was one of the many key drivers of the incredible team ethos and commitment that drove the GB team to a nail biting victory at the Rio Olympic Games. One of UK's greatest Olympic moments of all time. Kate also made history in other ways, becoming one half of the first same-sex married couple to win an Olympic medal playing in the same team.

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## Section 1: Introduction

* Kate Richardson-Walsh is the most capped female hockey player in Great Britain's history.
* She was captain of GB women’s hockey teams for 13 years and was one of the many key drivers of the incredible team ethos and commitment that drove the GB team to a nail-biting victory at the Rio Olympic Games.
* Kate also made history in other ways, becoming one half of the first same-sex married couple to win an Olympic medal playing in the same team.

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## Section 2: Resilience

* Kate's resilience came from her upbringing.
* Her parents encouraged her and her sister to try many different things and fail early.
* This taught Kate the ability to pick herself up and learn from her mistakes.
* A turning point in her career came when she was dropped from the England Under 16's team.
* This motivated her to make changes and become the best hockey player she could be.

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## Section 3: Inspiration and Motivation

* Kate's teammates were a major source of inspiration and motivation for her.
* She felt a sense of honor and duty to represent them and to fight for a gold medal.
* She also felt a sense of purpose to right the wrongs of previous women's hockey teams who had not had the same opportunities as her generation.

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## Section 4: The Value of Struggle

* Kate believes that there is value in struggle and strife.
* Having to overcome challenges can build grit and inner strength.
* The experiences of previous generations of women's hockey players motivated Kate and her teammates to achieve success.

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## Section 5: Change as a Constant

* The biggest constant in Kate's hockey career was change.
* Players, coaches, funding, and the game itself were all constantly changing.
* Kate believes that embracing change and adapting to it is essential for success.

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## Section 6: Celebrating Imperfection

* Kate believes in celebrating imperfection.
* She says that we are all imperfect beings and that's okay.
* Accepting and acknowledging our imperfections can help us navigate the world and achieve our goals.

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## Section 7: The Role of the Captain

* Kate learned to give and receive feedback as captain of the GB women's hockey team.
* She developed a close relationship with her coach, Danny Kerry, who helped her grow as a leader.
* Kate believes that the ability to give and receive feedback is essential for any leader.

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## Section 8: Advice for Parents

* Kate advises parents to allow their children to take risks and explore themselves.
* She says that giving children the freedom to learn and grow will help them reach their full potential.
* Kate also believes that it's important to celebrate children's imperfections.

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## Section 9: Conclusion

* Kate Richardson-Walsh is an inspiring example of resilience, determination, and leadership.
* Her story is a reminder that we can all overcome challenges and achieve our goals if we have the courage to embrace change and celebrate our imperfections.

# Podcast Episode Transcript Summary

## Introduction
- Kate Richardson-Walsh, a retired hockey player and former captain of the GB women's hockey team, shares her insights on leadership and team dynamics.

## Leadership Lessons
- Kate emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and growth mindset in leadership.
- She stresses the need to avoid autocratic and dictatorial leadership styles and instead focus on creating a supportive and collaborative environment.
- Kate highlights the value of receiving honest feedback and using it to improve leadership skills.

## The Power of Feedback
- Kate recalls a significant moment when a young player provided her with honest feedback about her leadership style.
- She initially reacted defensively but later realized the importance of the feedback and made changes to her approach.
- Kate emphasizes the importance of creating a culture where players feel comfortable giving and receiving feedback.

## The Importance of Vulnerability
- Kate acknowledges that vulnerability is essential for effective leadership.
- She shares how she overcame her initial hesitance to show vulnerability and the positive impact it had on her team.
- Kate emphasizes the importance of creating a safe space where team members can share their vulnerabilities and build trust.

## Gender and Leadership
- Kate discusses the challenges faced by women in leadership positions and the need to break down stereotypes.
- She highlights the importance of recognizing individual differences and valuing diversity in leadership.
- Kate believes that creating inclusive environments where everyone feels valued is crucial for success.

## Unconscious Bias
- Kate stresses the importance of being aware of unconscious bias and its impact on decision-making.
- She encourages individuals to challenge their assumptions and biases and to make conscious efforts to create more equitable environments.

## Key Takeaway
- The key takeaway from the conversation is the importance of self-awareness, growth mindset, and vulnerability in leadership.
- Kate emphasizes the need to create inclusive environments where individuals feel valued and supported, and where honest feedback is encouraged.

# The High-Performance Podcast
## Episode 51: Overcoming Challenges and Achieving High-Performance with Kate Richardson-Walsh

### Introduction

* Kate Richardson-Walsh is the most capped female hockey player in her country's history.
* She was captain of GB women’s hockey teams for 13 years and was one of the many key drivers of the incredible team ethos and commitment that drove the GB team to a nail biting victory at the Rio Olympic Games.
* Kate also made history in other ways, becoming one half of the first same-sex married couple to win an Olympic medal playing in the same team.

### Key Insights

**1. The Importance of Culture**

* Culture is the foundation of any successful team or organization.
* It is the shared values, beliefs, and behaviors that guide the way people think, feel, and act.
* When culture is strong, it creates a sense of belonging and purpose, and it motivates people to go the extra mile.

**2. The Three Non-Negotiables of a High-Performance Team**

* According to Kate, the three non-negotiables of a high-performance team are:
* The team comes first.
* Everyone is open to challenge.
* Everyone is committed to growth.

* These three values are essential for creating a team that is united, resilient, and always striving to improve.

**3. The Power of Being Yourself**

* Kate believes that it is important to be yourself, even in a high-performance environment.
* When you are true to yourself, you are more likely to be happy and successful.
* You are also more likely to attract people who appreciate you for who you are.

**4. The Importance of Balance**

* Kate emphasizes the importance of balance in life.
* She believes that it is important to have a life outside of work or sport.
* This will help you to stay healthy, happy, and motivated.

**5. The Importance of Grit**

* Kate believes that grit is essential for success.
* Grit is the ability to persevere in the face of challenges and setbacks.
* It is the quality that allows people to keep going when others give up.

### Conclusion

* Kate Richardson-Walsh is a true inspiration.
* She is a role model for athletes, business leaders, and anyone who wants to achieve high-performance in their life.
* Her story is a reminder that anything is possible if you have the courage to be yourself, to work hard, and to never give up.

# The High-Performance Podcast: Kate Richardson-Walsh - A Journey of Resilience, Teamwork, and Olympic Triumph

In this captivating episode of the High-Performance Podcast, host Jake Humphrey engages in an inspiring conversation with Kate Richardson-Walsh, a legendary figure in the world of hockey. Kate, with her remarkable career as the most capped female hockey player in her country's history, shares her insights on leadership, teamwork, and the unwavering pursuit of excellence.

## Kate's Path to Greatness:
Kate's journey to the pinnacle of hockey began with a love for the sport that ignited at a young age. Her unwavering dedication and natural talent propelled her to the national team, where she eventually assumed the role of captain, a position she held for an impressive 13 years. Under her leadership, the team experienced a remarkable transformation, characterized by a strong sense of unity, unwavering commitment, and a burning desire to succeed.

## The Power of Unity and Team Ethos:
Kate emphasizes the significance of fostering a cohesive team environment, where individual brilliance is harnessed to achieve collective success. She highlights the importance of creating a culture of respect, trust, and open communication, enabling each team member to contribute their unique strengths and talents. Kate's leadership philosophy revolves around empowering her teammates, recognizing their individual capabilities, and fostering a sense of shared purpose.

## Overcoming Adversity and Embracing Challenges:
Kate's journey was not without its challenges. She faced numerous setbacks, including injuries and personal struggles. However, instead of succumbing to adversity, she embraced it as an opportunity for growth and resilience. Kate's unwavering determination and ability to learn from her mistakes fueled her drive to overcome obstacles and emerge stronger.

## The Historic Olympic Victory in Rio:
The pinnacle of Kate's career came at the 2016 Rio Olympics, where she led her team to a nail-biting victory, securing a gold medal in a thrilling match. This triumph was not only a testament to the team's exceptional skill and determination but also a symbol of the transformative power of sport in uniting people and inspiring generations.

## Making History as a Same-Sex Couple:
Kate and her wife, Helen Richardson-Walsh, made history as the first same-sex married couple to win an Olympic medal while playing on the same team. This groundbreaking achievement not only showcased their athletic prowess but also highlighted the importance of inclusivity and diversity in sports. Kate's journey serves as an inspiration for athletes and individuals worldwide, demonstrating that love and acceptance can coexist with the pursuit of excellence.

## Lessons in Leadership and High Performance:
Throughout the conversation, Kate shares valuable lessons in leadership, teamwork, and the mindset required for achieving high performance. She emphasizes the importance of setting clear goals, maintaining a positive attitude, and embracing a growth mindset. Kate's insights provide a roadmap for individuals and teams seeking to unlock their full potential and achieve extraordinary results.

## Conclusion:
Kate Richardson-Walsh's story is a testament to the transformative power of sport in shaping lives and inspiring greatness. Her leadership, resilience, and unwavering commitment to excellence serve as an inspiration to athletes and individuals worldwide. Kate's journey reminds us that with determination, teamwork, and a positive mindset, anything is possible.

[00:00.000 -> 00:06.360] Hey there, welcome along to another episode of the High Performance Podcast and this one
[00:06.360 -> 00:12.680] is part of our Olympic special where we talk to the greatest Olympians both past and present
[00:12.680 -> 00:17.440] about their mindset, their achievements, their struggles, the highs, the lows, the truth.
[00:17.440 -> 00:21.640] I mean, that's what we want to get to on this podcast from people. We want to get to the
[00:21.640 -> 00:27.080] truth and today with the amazing Kate Richardson Walsh, we do exactly that.
[00:27.080 -> 00:33.800] Everybody is talking about culture, everybody talks about having a vision or a mission statement
[00:33.800 -> 00:39.040] or a goal and even values. You know, I've been into so many places and they're on the wall and
[00:39.040 -> 00:43.600] they're on their, you know, computer screens and they're everywhere but you actually say like,
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[00:45.400 -> 00:49.800] And I've done it, workshopped it with loads of different groups and teams and they keep
[00:49.800 -> 00:50.800] giving me more values.
[00:50.800 -> 00:54.680] And I'm like, no, but what, what, what will I see here and feel if I came into your place
[00:54.680 -> 00:56.340] of work?
[00:56.340 -> 01:02.520] How would I know that this is the value that you, this is what you're about to your core.
[01:02.520 -> 01:05.200] I love talking to Kate, you know, she's such an inspiring person to have a
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[05:20.200 -> 05:24.800] Today we welcome the most capped female hockey player Great Britain has ever produced. Our
[05:24.800 -> 05:29.140] guest carried the flag at the Rio Olympics closing ceremony. She's been awarded an
[05:29.140 -> 05:33.080] MBE. She's one of only six recipients of the England Hockey Medal of Honour and with
[05:33.080 -> 05:37.920] her wife Helen made history becoming the first same-sex married couple to win an Olympic
[05:37.920 -> 05:42.680] gold medal together. However, what we really love on this podcast, what we're always
[05:42.680 -> 05:49.560] interested in on high performance is how she did those great things, the lessons she learned along the way, the successes,
[05:49.560 -> 05:54.120] the failures, the moments that stick in her mind. I can't wait for her lived experience
[05:54.120 -> 05:58.800] to become lessons for you over the next hour. It's an absolute pleasure to welcome someone
[05:58.800 -> 06:03.920] we've been keen to speak to on this podcast for a very long time, Kate Richardson-Walsh.
[06:03.920 -> 06:04.920] Welcome to High Performance.
[06:04.920 -> 06:08.280] Kate Richardson-Walsh Thank to High Performance. Thank you very much what a lovely introduction and a nice welcome
[06:08.280 -> 06:11.400] it's a the pleasure's all mine honestly I'm really looking forward to it.
[06:11.400 -> 06:15.040] Brilliant you listen to the pod do you? I've listened to a couple of episodes, I
[06:15.040 -> 06:19.280] listen to Dina I love Dina I'm a total fangirl over Dina so I've listened to
[06:19.280 -> 06:23.920] Dina's episode. Great well same question to you that we asked her at the very top
[06:23.920 -> 06:29.960] of the show what is high performance? I think it's a complex thing, I think for me it
[06:29.960 -> 06:34.520] comes down to standards quite a lot, I think how you set your standards
[06:34.520 -> 06:38.760] personally and how you challenge yourself against those standards, I think
[06:38.760 -> 06:42.700] that's that really at the core of it and then the discipline to follow it up, to
[06:42.700 -> 06:45.280] follow it through even when the going gets tough.
[06:45.280 -> 06:54.120] I think just that, I think it's Saracen's, the men's rugby team have a, it's the shit that people don't see.
[06:54.120 -> 06:55.160] They have an acronym for that.
[06:55.480 -> 06:56.920] I should have probably said the acronym instead.
[06:56.960 -> 07:04.680] But it's that, it's, are you prepared to do it when no one's watching, when it's, the weather's bleak and you're feeling rough,
[07:04.680 -> 07:05.600] but you need to
[07:05.600 -> 07:10.160] do it, you have that discipline to do it and then I think the thing that I learned, the hardest
[07:10.160 -> 07:16.160] lesson probably that I learned was that the need to balance, have balance in that. I was obsessed
[07:16.160 -> 07:23.040] all in and I didn't have balance and I think sometimes I think well what could I have achieved,
[07:23.040 -> 07:25.120] what more could I have achieved
[07:25.120 -> 07:31.120] if I'd have cared for myself the way that I learned to in the last few years of my career
[07:31.120 -> 07:36.800] because I also think that has to that has to play a part I think there has to be a care that is in
[07:36.800 -> 07:40.640] that's woven into the high performance I think it's got to be it's about standards and it's got
[07:40.640 -> 07:45.000] to be about discipline but unless there's care I think it can just tip over.
[07:45.000 -> 07:49.740] So many lovely little things for us to delve into then over the next hour or so. I want
[07:49.740 -> 07:53.600] to start by talking about resilience then because you don't, you can't create these
[07:53.600 -> 07:59.340] standards, you can't operate at the level you operated at without bags and bags of resilience.
[07:59.340 -> 08:01.560] Where did your resilience come from?
[08:01.560 -> 08:05.920] Goodness, I think probably looking back, that's probably how I was
[08:05.920 -> 08:14.160] raised I think. My mum and dad were both teachers and I think possibly maybe
[08:14.160 -> 08:18.160] like first generation to go to university possibly and really like
[08:18.160 -> 08:23.960] wanted myself and my sister to just do our best at whatever we set our minds to
[08:23.960 -> 08:27.500] and kind of just gave us the opportunity
[08:27.500 -> 08:30.380] and privilege, frankly, to try lots of different things
[08:30.380 -> 08:34.000] and lots of different sports and fail a lot early.
[08:34.000 -> 08:35.660] And actually, that's where I think
[08:35.660 -> 08:36.940] some of that resilience came from,
[08:36.940 -> 08:39.940] that ability to know that it's okay to fail
[08:39.940 -> 08:41.740] and to be able to pick yourself up
[08:41.740 -> 08:44.140] and to understand what else you need around you
[08:47.760 -> 08:51.280] to help you get through those difficult times. i ddod allan i'ch hun, i ddeall beth y byddwch chi'n ei angen o ran eich hun, i'ch helpu i ddod allan ar y cyflawni'n anodd. Felly, yn siŵr, rwy'n credu bod y cyflwyniad cyntaf,
[08:51.280 -> 08:54.560] y sefydliadau y mae fy mhob rhai o fy nheuluoedd yn eu cynnwys yn fy hun
[08:54.560 -> 08:57.920] a'r brifysgrif, yn gweld fy hun i'r holl ffordd.
[08:57.920 -> 09:00.800] Felly, a allwch chi roi'r cymdeithas o'r cyflwyniad cyntaf, Kate?
[09:00.800 -> 09:04.400] Ie, rwy'n credu bod y cyflwyniad mwyaf, mae'n pwysig iawn i mi.
[09:04.400 -> 09:07.640] Dechreuais chwarae hockey pan oeddwn 12 oed, earlier than Kate? Yeah I think the major one, there's a real turning point for me. I started playing hockey when I was 12, went to secondary school and it was just
[09:07.640 -> 09:13.280] my local comp in Stockport and hockey was one of the sports we did in PE. I had a
[09:13.280 -> 09:16.760] really enthusiastic PE teacher so I started playing when I was 12 on our
[09:16.760 -> 09:22.640] red guard, but progressed quite quickly. It was the first team sport I played so I
[09:22.640 -> 09:25.160] was doing swimming and gymnastics prior to that.
[09:25.160 -> 09:29.640] And went through the system, so I went to county, went to North of England trials, and
[09:29.640 -> 09:33.440] then I went to, I didn't know, but they were junior England trials, I just was enjoying
[09:33.440 -> 09:34.440] playing hockey.
[09:34.440 -> 09:39.000] And so I was 14, 15, and I was playing for the England under-16s.
[09:39.000 -> 09:43.720] And I kind of felt like a fish out of water, but I enjoyed it and had a great time, but
[09:43.720 -> 09:45.120] I wasn't giving it any time
[09:45.120 -> 09:50.040] or thought or effort or energy at all. I was just following my nose and you know I was
[09:50.040 -> 09:54.800] not looking after my body. I hated running, I was eating that packet of cookies watching
[09:54.800 -> 09:58.920] neighbours most nights, I was you know going out down the park and drinking with my friends
[09:58.920 -> 10:05.040] on that Friday, Saturday night, just wasn't looking after myself in any way.
[10:07.620 -> 10:10.640] Then the next year, when you should be selected for the England Under 16's because I was the right age,
[10:10.640 -> 10:15.000] I got dropped, and I remember like it's yesterday,
[10:15.000 -> 10:19.640] and honestly, the emotion hits me right in the core
[10:19.640 -> 10:22.600] of my chest every single time I think about it.
[10:22.600 -> 10:24.360] I remember the letter coming through the post,
[10:24.360 -> 10:26.640] because those are the days, that's how I used to find out in those days and
[10:26.640 -> 10:33.280] there was a list of names, my name wasn't on there and I ran upstairs, locked the
[10:33.280 -> 10:38.120] door of the bathroom, cried for a few hours and eventually came out and my mum
[10:38.120 -> 10:42.320] just sat me down and just you know talked to me about it and how I was
[10:42.320 -> 10:48.460] feeling and she kind of finished the conversation by saying what do you want to do about it and actually at the time i was like,
[10:48.460 -> 10:58.740] harsh mom that was really harsh that was such a harsh question but actually it was the best question she could have ever asked me because it was really down to me and what i want to do about it,
[10:59.020 -> 11:09.040] where did i want to go what did i want to be at that time even outside of sport i didn't really have any hopes or dreams or aspirations. I kind of thought they were for other people
[11:09.040 -> 11:15.520] that went to the posh schools and had, you know, had more opportunity. And so it was that. It was,
[11:15.520 -> 11:20.000] that was a real turning point for me to say, okay, right, actually, what can I do? And I went about
[11:20.000 -> 11:24.880] making lots of choices and decisions that were going to help me be the best hockey player that
[11:24.880 -> 11:29.600] I could be, which is essentially my answer to that question was, I didn't think about Olympics or
[11:29.600 -> 11:33.120] anything, I just thought, I just want to be the best hockey player that I can be and I'm going
[11:33.120 -> 11:38.480] to go after that in every way. And it's interesting seeing you get emotional now talking about getting
[11:38.480 -> 11:42.560] that letter through, you could see straight away, what is it then about that that makes you
[11:42.560 -> 11:48.620] emotional? Is it remembering the emotion you felt when you opened the letter? Is it the fact that actually on reflection,
[11:48.620 -> 11:52.220] it's probably the most important day of your life because it changed things for you? Or
[11:52.220 -> 11:56.220] was it your mum's amazing and really powerful way of dealing with it?
[11:56.220 -> 12:00.180] Probably a bit of all of it and to be honest, a big thick layer of shame.
[12:00.180 -> 12:01.180] Really?
[12:01.180 -> 12:08.700] Yeah, I am an emotional person and I and emotions emotions run right at the surface for me, but I think it is, that was the initial,
[12:08.800 -> 12:12.800] that was the initial emotion and I think that's the thing that resonates again straight away is,
[12:13.000 -> 12:23.000] I've let myself down, I've let my family down, I've let my coaches down, you know, all these people that have given me their time and energy and expertise and knowledge and I've just,
[12:27.120 -> 12:32.000] ac ymweld â'r gwybodaeth a'r gwybodaeth, ac rydw i wedi gwneud dim byd â hyn, yn ffrân, ac roeddwn i'n teimlo ystyried ymdrechion mewn hynny, ac ymdrechion yw fel ymdrechion ffysigol, yw'n i'n ddim? Mae'n wir,
[12:32.000 -> 12:36.080] fel y gallwch chi ei deimlo mewn pob cel o'ch llwybr, ac rwy'n credu mai dyna beth yw hyn.
[12:36.080 -> 12:41.120] Oherwydd beth sy'n fy hymrydol ar hynny yma, yw'r ffynediad arno, yw'r un o'r pethau y byddwn i a Jake yn
[12:41.120 -> 12:47.760] siarad amdano cyn i ni ddod ar y cwrs, oedd oedd chi'n ei ddysgrifio mewn diwylliant Sarrison fel y siawn nad yw'n ei weld,
[12:47.760 -> 12:52.080] ac rydyn ni'n ofal yn ei ddweud fel y gwaith sy'n digwydd mewn y ffyrdd,
[12:52.080 -> 12:57.280] y byddai'r peth sy'n digwydd mewn y ffyrdd yn y llyfr.
[12:57.280 -> 13:00.640] Nawr, chi'n gwneud 17 mlynedd fel chwaraewyr gwleidyddol, sy'n cynnwys llawer o
[13:00.640 -> 13:07.520] gwagwyr, sesiwnau ffysio, partys gyda'r ddau o fathau, ffysio, parthiau a chroedau ar gael ar unrhyw un.
[13:07.520 -> 13:12.000] Rwy'n deall beth oedd y catalyst sy'n eich cymryd i fod yn y gallan fwyaf,
[13:12.000 -> 13:16.000] ond beth yw'r cymorth a'ch cymryd i'w ddod o hyd i'r amser?
[13:16.000 -> 13:20.000] Rwy'n credu yw nifer o bethau. Y peth gyntaf yw gweithle ddim wedi'i gynnal.
[13:20.000 -> 13:25.840] Fy niferoedd Helen, sy'n chwarae in the team for 17 years, we often, you know,
[13:25.840 -> 13:30.480] reminisce because we're all grannies now and talk about, had we won a gold medal with
[13:30.480 -> 13:35.560] the GB team in Sydney in 2000, our first Olympic Games, would we have still been
[13:35.560 -> 13:42.120] there, Rio 2016, trying to fight for a gold medal? I don't know. So there felt
[13:42.120 -> 13:45.480] that for a long period of time, frankly for that whole period of time,
[13:45.480 -> 13:46.880] there was something missing,
[13:46.880 -> 13:49.760] there was something that we hadn't gained yet.
[13:49.760 -> 13:51.800] There was things still out there
[13:51.800 -> 13:53.780] that we wanted to get after.
[13:53.780 -> 13:57.300] So that was definitely a massive inspiration, motivation.
[13:57.300 -> 14:00.140] And I think secondly, this might sound a bit cliche,
[14:00.140 -> 14:02.260] but my teammates, honestly,
[14:02.260 -> 14:04.640] you're gonna make me get emotional this podcast, aren't you?
[14:04.640 -> 14:11.520] But my teammates, honestly, you're gonna make me get emotional this podcast, sorry. But my teammates, frankly, were everything. Like, some of my best friends in the team
[14:12.240 -> 14:17.200] tried on two or three occasions to be selected for Olympic Games, having been selected for the
[14:17.200 -> 14:26.640] tournaments in between and not making that selection. And I felt a real sense of honour and of duty to represent them.
[14:26.640 -> 14:31.360] Again quite early on in my career in 2004 we failed to qualify for the
[14:31.360 -> 14:34.820] Athens Olympic Games as the Great Britain women's hockey team and we'd
[14:34.820 -> 14:37.480] never done that before so we're making history for all the wrong reasons but
[14:37.480 -> 14:41.100] those women who were of an age where that was the last time they'd ever pull
[14:41.100 -> 14:52.120] on an international shirt, I kind of stored it away inside me that I had to right those wrongs. Those women didn't deserve to go
[14:52.120 -> 14:56.800] out like that and they didn't have the opportunities that we then got later on
[14:56.800 -> 15:01.080] to have a full-time program, to have all the technology and all the support
[15:01.080 -> 15:04.560] that we had from all the support services. You know, what could they have
[15:04.560 -> 15:05.600] been those women?
[15:05.600 -> 15:09.200] So I just felt that that sense of purpose and of duty to really honour
[15:09.200 -> 15:13.300] all of those women and my teammates and the people I was playing alongside,
[15:13.300 -> 15:17.500] of course, as well, that on a daily basis was enough to get me out of bed.
[15:17.500 -> 15:22.200] It's so interesting hearing you talk like that because I think that when we have these conversations,
[15:22.200 -> 15:27.480] we speak to someone like Phil Neville, who became the coach of the England women's football team.
[15:27.480 -> 15:29.640] And you know, I'll never forget at the end,
[15:29.640 -> 15:31.920] him saying to us, the biggest learning for me
[15:31.920 -> 15:34.680] was I had no idea what my sister, Tracy,
[15:34.680 -> 15:35.960] amazing Tracy Neville,
[15:35.960 -> 15:39.320] what she had to go through just to have the same as me.
[15:39.320 -> 15:40.960] We didn't even bat an eyelid about the fact
[15:40.960 -> 15:43.200] that she was travelling five hours to go to training
[15:43.200 -> 15:44.440] and five hours home again.
[15:44.440 -> 15:45.840] We were in the Man United Academy
[15:45.840 -> 15:47.180] and could have laid on a driver for her,
[15:47.180 -> 15:49.960] but we allowed her to go through that struggle
[15:49.960 -> 15:51.160] and that strife and that pain.
[15:51.160 -> 15:53.680] And I kind of hope that your generation
[15:53.680 -> 15:56.680] is the final generation that has to really struggle
[15:56.680 -> 16:00.080] to have their voices heard as top level athletes.
[16:00.080 -> 16:02.660] But then I also feel like for you,
[16:02.660 -> 16:04.340] there was such a value in that, wasn't there?
[16:04.340 -> 16:07.160] That you had to have that scrap and that fight
[16:07.160 -> 16:09.360] because although it's a totally different fight
[16:09.360 -> 16:12.440] in the final few minutes of an Olympic final,
[16:12.440 -> 16:13.280] what do you draw on?
[16:13.280 -> 16:15.200] You draw on the moment your mom sat you down,
[16:15.200 -> 16:17.480] you draw on the memories of all those brilliant women
[16:17.480 -> 16:19.160] that weren't there to scrap alongside you.
[16:19.160 -> 16:21.480] There is a real value to that, isn't there?
[16:21.480 -> 16:22.480] Definitely.
[16:22.480 -> 16:26.560] I definitely think that there's something about grit, there's something about
[16:26.560 -> 16:30.940] being able to have experienced moments and times in your life where you've had to dig
[16:30.940 -> 16:35.680] deep and find that inner grit, that grittiness that says, I can do this, I will get through
[16:35.680 -> 16:41.480] this, I'll find a way. And I think we all experience that in lots of different ways.
[16:41.480 -> 16:48.380] You know, we all have privilege, but we all will have moments of where we're perhaps unprivileged or discriminated in some
[16:48.380 -> 16:53.540] way and for various reasons and actually just to use those moments as learnings
[16:53.540 -> 16:58.260] and growth which seems really hard and difficult at the time but I think if we
[16:58.260 -> 17:02.340] are able to do that then yeah I think it can be your greatest strength and I
[17:02.340 -> 17:05.200] think for us as a team in Rio, I think just bringing
[17:05.200 -> 17:09.640] all of those different lived experiences and everything you've brought in your life to
[17:09.640 -> 17:15.400] the table as individuals with unique strengths, I think that was really one of the keys that
[17:15.400 -> 17:17.800] really set us apart from our opposition.
[17:17.800 -> 17:22.040] And was it spoken about during the Rio experience?
[17:22.040 -> 17:27.540] Did you talk about those women that sort of broke down those doors for you all to walk through or was it something that you
[17:27.540 -> 17:30.100] were just all aware of and you all had in your minds?
[17:30.100 -> 17:34.980] No, I mean I suppose it helped having a couple of grannies. Me and Helen were, I was 36 in Rio and
[17:34.980 -> 17:40.900] Helz was 34 and we kind of were bridged I suppose that era, the kind of, you know,
[17:40.900 -> 17:44.340] era when we all worked and we had a little bit of lottery funding and even
[17:44.340 -> 17:49.120] prior to that when there was no funding at all and everybody just worked, turned up at weekends or had to take
[17:49.120 -> 17:54.560] time off work to even have a training camp, to where it is now that's a full-time centralised
[17:54.560 -> 17:58.480] programme and there's national Lottery funding and that we were able to bring some of those
[17:58.480 -> 18:04.720] stories and people to life and we invited some of the ex-players in as well to talk to us about
[18:04.720 -> 18:07.520] what their experience was and what it was like for them and I think and this new squad ac yn enwedig i ni siarad â ni am yr ymdrechion a'r ffordd oedd arna'u hynny arnynt.
[18:07.520 -> 18:14.880] Ac rwy'n credu, a chafodd y sgwad newydd, rwy'n teimlo'n eithaf oed, yn enwedig i mi, a Helen a rhai o'r chwaraeon o'r oed,
[18:14.880 -> 18:20.080] i ddod i siarad am eu hanes, oherwydd gallwn fod yn ddisgynhedigol o'r hyn sydd wedi bod yn y blynyddoedd,
[18:20.080 -> 18:29.600] ond mae'n bwysig iawn i ddod o'r hyn i'r cofnod hwnnw, i ddeall beth sydd wedi digwydd yn y blaen i'ch helpu i gwneud y ffordd i'r dyfodol. Felly, a ydych chi'n ei ddweud i ni, Kate? Oherwydd dyma un o'r pethau
[18:29.600 -> 18:34.880] sy'n fy ffasinoi ac mae'n fy hynod o ffasinoi mewn cyfnod cyd-dreth. Rydyn ni'n clywed pobl heddiw yn siarad am
[18:34.880 -> 18:40.640] y genedlaeth hon, mae'n llai, nid oedd ganddyn nhw'r ddifrifolrwydd rydyn ni wedi ei gael yn mynd i'r ffwrdd a phethau fel hynny.
[18:40.640 -> 18:45.280] Ac rwy'n debygol bod hyn yn sefyllfa'r ffordd o'r ffordd gwirioneddol, y gwybodaeth yw, ac rwy'n credu yn aml yn y byd, mae'n sefyllfa gwyrdd,
[18:45.280 -> 18:50.960] y byddwn ni ddim wedi byw'n hwyr, ond mae pobl wedi newid hynny'n wahanol.
[18:50.960 -> 18:55.920] Felly, chi wedi bod yn captain am 13 mlynedd a chwarae ar-lein am 17 mlynedd,
[18:55.920 -> 19:00.400] pa oedd y newid mwyaf y gawddech chi ar y pryd hwnnw?
[19:00.400 -> 19:06.840] Ac yn unigol, pa oedd y mwyaf gydolol y gawddech chi ar y pryd hwnnw hefyd? And equally, what was the biggest constant that you saw over that time as well?
[19:06.840 -> 19:08.600] Wow, that is such a good question.
[19:08.600 -> 19:12.480] I think the biggest constant was the change.
[19:12.480 -> 19:14.760] I think that change was constant.
[19:14.760 -> 19:17.760] I think that was part and parcel of being there.
[19:17.760 -> 19:19.480] You know, players came and went,
[19:19.480 -> 19:23.200] coaches came and went, funding came and went,
[19:23.200 -> 19:26.600] you know, everything, the game changed, the rules
[19:26.600 -> 19:33.160] changed, the technology, everything, in everything about the environment, the experience, what
[19:33.160 -> 19:37.920] it was to be a hockey player, an international hockey player, changed.
[19:37.920 -> 19:41.440] So I think that was the constant thing that we experienced.
[19:41.440 -> 19:50.960] I mean, in terms of, you're talking about kind of personalities and people and perhaps mindsets and attitudes, I don't think that changed either and I agree with
[19:50.960 -> 19:55.280] you. I think it is lazy and we love to paint with a really broad brush because it's easy and it's
[19:55.280 -> 20:01.680] comfortable and put people in into boxes and because that's easy for us to just compartmentalize
[20:01.680 -> 20:05.800] everything and actually when we took those boxes away,
[20:05.800 -> 20:08.360] when we released some of those stereotypes
[20:08.360 -> 20:10.840] and actually just allowed people to be everything
[20:10.840 -> 20:12.560] that they are and wanted to be,
[20:12.560 -> 20:15.440] then I think that's when people really thrived.
[20:15.440 -> 20:18.280] So I didn't notice, and I do some coaching now
[20:18.280 -> 20:21.200] with the kind of England under 18s and England under 16s,
[20:21.200 -> 20:22.960] now and again, I get called in as a guest coach.
[20:22.960 -> 20:27.240] And I still see players there with fire in their eyes
[20:27.240 -> 20:28.240] and hunger in their belly
[20:28.240 -> 20:29.880] and they're gonna do what it takes
[20:29.880 -> 20:30.720] because they want it
[20:30.720 -> 20:33.040] and they want to be about high performance.
[20:33.040 -> 20:35.200] You know, it's that you see in them.
[20:35.200 -> 20:36.180] I don't agree.
[20:36.180 -> 20:38.120] So I suppose the question is, Kate,
[20:38.120 -> 20:39.480] from your unique position,
[20:39.480 -> 20:40.800] and it is a unique position, you know,
[20:40.800 -> 20:44.560] to go from the challenges that you had as a young player
[20:44.560 -> 20:47.100] and I know that, you know, you were quite shy at school, you know, to go from the challenges that you had as a young player, and I know that, you know, you were quite shy at school,
[20:47.100 -> 20:50.600] you know, you weren't the outgoing, here I am leading a group of amazing
[20:50.600 -> 20:54.200] women to win a gold medal, that wasn't you, to go from that into the
[20:54.200 -> 20:58.200] world of a sport which is underfunded and undervalued and underappreciated
[20:58.200 -> 21:02.500] and undercelebrated, to take the sport to the moment that every single
[21:02.500 -> 21:07.240] person listening to this podcast now remembers where they were watching when that gold medal finally happened. I mean
[21:07.240 -> 21:11.820] that is like, that's the journey of all journeys. What message would you give to
[21:11.820 -> 21:15.620] parents who are listening to this today and have children, they want their
[21:15.620 -> 21:19.340] children to have that resilience and that dream and that fortitude and those
[21:19.340 -> 21:22.440] vitamins and minerals to really go out and make an impact?
[21:22.440 -> 21:28.580] I think it's really hard being a parent of a little one now but I think allowing them to take risks, giving
[21:28.580 -> 21:33.560] them space to explore themselves and who they want to be and what that looks like
[21:33.560 -> 21:39.200] and sounds like and feels like I think just and being there for them to support
[21:39.200 -> 21:44.000] them in that. I really feel really privileged and lucky that my mum and dad
[21:44.000 -> 21:46.000] both for myself and my sister
[21:46.000 -> 21:50.800] just let us spread our wings and fly and at times that would have hurt them.
[21:50.800 -> 21:56.200] You know at times that kind of brought distance between us, maybe geographically,
[21:56.200 -> 22:06.360] but the love that we have for each other comes from what they gave us is that freedom to explore ourselves and the world,
[22:06.360 -> 22:15.080] to really learn about the world as broadly and as widely as possible and I think that will always help your kids and youngsters be
[22:15.080 -> 22:19.560] where they need to be and want to be and I think that's all you can ever wish for for your kids.
[22:19.560 -> 22:22.840] And is there also something about celebrating imperfection?
[22:22.840 -> 22:27.840] Definitely, I'm a big Brené Brown fan. Brené Brown is a researcher and a
[22:27.840 -> 22:33.480] sociologist and one of her books is The Gift of Imperfection and I just
[22:33.480 -> 22:37.800] could not agree with that more. Yeah, we are imperfect beings and that's okay and
[22:37.800 -> 22:43.160] actually some of that imperfection will help us acknowledge our strengths first
[22:43.160 -> 22:48.040] and foremost but also help us you us navigate the world and guide us and lead us in the directions that
[22:48.040 -> 22:51.320] we want to travel as well. Ignoring them I think is dangerous, I think it's
[22:51.320 -> 22:54.660] actually getting in touch with them and accepting them and acknowledging them, which
[22:54.660 -> 22:57.800] is, you know, sounds really easy, me talking about it on a podcast.
[22:57.800 -> 23:01.420] So when did you learn to do that then? Because I imagine as a, you know, a
[23:01.420 -> 23:05.820] bullied, shy child at school, you weren't celebrating
[23:05.820 -> 23:06.820] your imperfection then?
[23:06.820 -> 23:13.000] No, not at all, no. I really wished I was somebody else. For the longest time, frankly
[23:13.000 -> 23:17.840] up until my 20s, hockey felt like a safe environment for me, so I feel like hockey saved me in
[23:17.840 -> 23:23.440] that way, because outside of that, I didn't have any kind of a strong group of friends
[23:23.440 -> 23:25.160] or connections to people, and I don't know if that's a strong group of friends or connections to people and
[23:25.160 -> 23:28.400] I don't know if that's because I had a lack of trust from being bullied at
[23:28.400 -> 23:31.960] primary school, I just wasn't able to open up in that way with people, it was
[23:31.960 -> 23:36.560] all quite surface level. And yeah hockey definitely just gave me that safe space
[23:36.560 -> 23:41.640] but I still, it was still a quite a process for me to really accept myself
[23:41.640 -> 23:45.440] for who I am and who I was and who I wanted to be and all the
[23:45.440 -> 23:48.840] imperfections that you talked about and my strengths which actually it was
[23:48.840 -> 23:53.120] also probably just as hard because we were rubbish. I was rubbish at saying, I'm
[23:53.120 -> 23:58.040] still rubbish at saying what I am excellent at, what I am exceptional at, but that's just
[23:58.040 -> 24:02.360] as important as knowing what my imperfections are as well. So it was just
[24:02.360 -> 24:05.080] a real process of just failing, learning, growing and just consistently doing that. ar y cyflawniau hefyd. Felly roedd hwn yn broses gwirioneddol o ddifrifio, dysgu,
[24:05.080 -> 24:09.280] mwyhau ac yn gweithio'n cyfartal. Rwy'n credu bod yn rhan o'r
[24:09.280 -> 24:13.000] cyflawni ar y cyfnod hwnnw o'r byd ifanc, rwy'n credu, roedd yn rhoi hyder i mi fod
[24:13.000 -> 24:16.480] roeddent wedi gweld rhai o'r cydweithwyr i mi wedi cyflawni i mi, roeddent wedi gweld rhywbeth yn i mi
[24:16.480 -> 24:21.080] a oeddent eisiau eu hyrwyddo. Felly rwy'n credu bod hynny'n ei gynllunio i mi
[24:21.080 -> 24:24.720] i feddwl ychydig mwy am yr hyn rydw i wedi ei gael, yr hyn rydw i ddim wedi ei gael,
[24:24.720 -> 24:26.240] yr hyn rydw i allu ac allan fod.
[24:26.240 -> 24:28.720] Felly, a allwn ni siarad yma o ran y rôl fel captain
[24:28.720 -> 24:33.120] a sut rydych chi'n dysgu i roi a chael cynghorydd?
[24:33.120 -> 24:34.640] Rwy'n meddwl, roeddwn i'n ddiolchgar iawn
[24:34.640 -> 24:38.000] i ddod o amser yn y cwmni o Danny Kerry,
[24:38.000 -> 24:39.240] eich hyfforddwr o'r amser hwnnw.
[24:39.240 -> 24:41.640] Ac rwy'n gwybod bod Danny yn siarad yn eithaf gwaithus
[24:41.640 -> 24:46.560] amdanoch chi o'r grwp, iddo, fel coach, sy'n ei gynllunio'n ffyrdd i'w gweithio'n fwy rydol
[24:46.560 -> 24:48.960] ac yn dod yn ôl a newid yn eithaf arwyddol.
[24:48.960 -> 24:53.600] Felly, a ydych chi'n dweud wrthym am y sgiliau o ddod a'u cael ffeithiau, yna, Kate?
[24:53.600 -> 24:55.920] Dani a fi oedd gennym sefydliad ddiddorol iawn,
[24:55.920 -> 24:57.120] ac rydyn ni'n cysylltu'n nifer o ffyrdd,
[24:57.120 -> 25:00.000] ac yn eithaf gydolol oherwydd roedden ni'n ymdrech i'r ffyrdd.
[25:00.000 -> 25:01.920] Ac rwy'n credu bod hynny'n eithaf un o'r rhain.
[25:01.920 -> 25:03.680] Rydyn ni'n gwybod, oherwydd rydyn ni'n gyd,
[25:03.680 -> 25:07.520] rydyn ni'n ymdrech i'r ffyrdd o'r genedlaeth sy'n ymdrech, roedden ni'n grwpio'n ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r genedlaeth, lots of ways and probably because we were similar in lots of ways and I think that was possibly one of them. I think you know it's because we both, both of us
[25:07.520 -> 25:11.560] from a similar generation we grew up believing that leadership was this very
[25:11.560 -> 25:16.440] narrow thing. It had to look and sound like a certain way, it was
[25:16.440 -> 25:23.360] autocratic, you know, dictatorial, it was very I say you do and I couldn't really
[25:23.360 -> 25:26.040] see myself in that but I tried to mold myself into that.
[25:26.040 -> 25:29.800] And I think Danny, you know, did the same thing and yeah, he did get some really
[25:29.800 -> 25:35.080] hard feedback from, from the players and he, you know, took some time to think
[25:35.080 -> 25:38.240] about that and went away and just, you know, with these kinds of growth mindset,
[25:38.240 -> 25:40.520] he got support from mentors.
[25:40.520 -> 25:45.940] He started reading, reading different books and just trying to find his way.
[25:45.940 -> 25:47.400] And I did exactly the same.
[25:47.400 -> 25:54.640] You know, I had some really good, honest feedback from people that, you know, this isn't working
[25:54.640 -> 25:55.640] for me, Kate.
[25:55.640 -> 25:57.560] When you say this, it makes me feel like this.
[25:57.560 -> 26:03.120] Actually, you're stifling me or you're not helping me perform the best I can, which was
[26:03.120 -> 26:14.140] really hard for them to say, really hard for me to receive, but really important because then i could start to do something about it so it really shaped suppose the books that i started to read the leaders that i started to look to,
[26:14.420 -> 26:24.660] and the conversations that i had with players but that was again i had so many we got we were just gifted in so many ways by being part of that that team particularly in that centralised program because we have time,
[26:23.880 -> 26:29.040] many ways by being part of that team, particularly in that centralised programme, because we had time to work with our psychologists on these kind of things, to be able to open up
[26:29.040 -> 26:34.400] conversations to say, this is how you're impacting me and this is how I would like to receive
[26:34.400 -> 26:40.560] feedback and the words you use, the timing, the tone, everything about those conversations
[26:40.560 -> 26:43.800] and actually avoiding them is the worst thing you can do.
[26:43.800 -> 26:46.000] The fear of them is far greater than
[26:46.360 -> 26:52.280] What that you'll feel like having the conversation itself and and actually just how special that feedback can be
[26:52.520 -> 26:57.600] so what was the most special feedback you got then Kate five months out from Rio and
[26:58.760 -> 27:03.780] So what we're doing beginning of 2016 and I was in the gym and I'd had a bit from 2014
[27:03.780 -> 27:05.560] I had a bit I had a 2014 I had a real rocky patch
[27:07.720 -> 27:10.200] and was kind of just about coming out
[27:10.200 -> 27:12.580] the other side of it, but not really.
[27:12.580 -> 27:15.000] And this player came up to me in the gym,
[27:15.000 -> 27:18.000] this young player, hadn't been playing in the team
[27:18.000 -> 27:20.300] that long, maybe one or two years,
[27:20.300 -> 27:22.080] had a really good relationship with her,
[27:22.080 -> 27:23.880] and she came over to me in the gym,
[27:23.880 -> 27:24.720] and I was doing my chin-ups,
[27:24.720 -> 27:25.320] when I could do chin-ups in those days, and I had my weight belt on, And she came over to me in the gym, I was doing my chin-ups when I could do chin-ups
[27:25.320 -> 27:27.520] in those days, and I had my weight belt on,
[27:27.520 -> 27:30.320] and she came over and she just said quietly to the side,
[27:30.320 -> 27:32.400] I think you can put more weight on that belt, Kate.
[27:32.400 -> 27:33.800] And I was like, you know,
[27:33.800 -> 27:35.960] had my defense mechanism went up,
[27:35.960 -> 27:37.680] I was like, who does she think she is,
[27:37.680 -> 27:41.120] like talking to me, an experienced player, she's this kid.
[27:41.120 -> 27:42.680] You know, had all that reaction.
[27:42.680 -> 27:44.920] And then I calmed down and sat down
[27:44.920 -> 27:45.080] and I thought about down and sat down and
[27:45.080 -> 27:47.880] I thought about what she'd said and I thought about it for the rest of the
[27:47.880 -> 27:54.720] session and I thought, oh gosh, she's right. In lots of ways I'd kind of shut down to
[27:54.720 -> 28:00.000] protect myself and I was a little bit coasting in some areas into my last
[28:00.000 -> 28:04.540] Olympic Games and into my retirement. That's not who I am, that's not what the
[28:04.540 -> 28:05.880] team's about.
[28:05.880 -> 28:09.440] And she was absolutely right to challenge me and to give me some honest feedback on
[28:09.440 -> 28:14.760] that and I went to her and had a really good conversation and said thank you and I asked
[28:14.760 -> 28:19.120] her permission to share it in the next players' meeting. And I did and I just shared what
[28:19.120 -> 28:27.940] she'd said and I shared how I felt and what I was then going to do about it. And, you know, those moments are just golden nuggets.
[28:27.940 -> 28:30.380] It was really brave of her to come and say that to me
[28:30.380 -> 28:34.980] in that moment, but the impact it had was revolutionary.
[28:34.980 -> 28:36.980] And we all have that opportunity every day.
[28:36.980 -> 28:39.700] And I think sometimes, I know I sometimes avoid
[28:39.700 -> 28:42.560] having those hard conversations because it feels like
[28:42.560 -> 28:44.220] it's going to be really uncomfortable
[28:44.220 -> 28:47.240] and it's going to be hard and there's going to be emotions and
[28:47.240 -> 28:50.640] actually if you think about it in the way of you're doing that person a
[28:50.640 -> 28:54.520] disservice if you don't go and talk to them actually the way to make this
[28:54.520 -> 28:58.520] person and this team the best it can be is to actually just go and have that
[28:58.520 -> 29:01.800] conversation think about how you have it think about the timing and the words and
[29:01.800 -> 29:07.600] all that but I think go and have it. And that was such a good lesson for me in so many ways.
[29:08.100 -> 29:11.100] So at that point, how many years had you been captain for when
[29:11.100 -> 29:13.100] that young player had that conversation with you?
[29:13.100 -> 29:15.000] Well, 13 years practically, yeah.
[29:15.400 -> 29:17.300] And I want you to take this in the spirit that it's meant,
[29:17.300 -> 29:17.700] right?
[29:18.600 -> 29:21.500] I'm surprised you had that reaction having been the captain
[29:21.500 -> 29:22.200] for that long.
[29:22.300 -> 29:26.600] Like, in my head, I kind of assumed by 2016, you had it sorted.
[29:26.600 -> 29:29.360] You were the captain, everything was going in the right direction.
[29:29.360 -> 29:32.200] You'd have read the books, you'd have had the conversations.
[29:32.200 -> 29:34.480] If some young player came to you with a bit of advice, you would have gone,
[29:34.480 -> 29:36.560] you know what, my growth mindset says that's great.
[29:36.560 -> 29:39.560] And I applaud you for the fact you've come and said that to me, the great Kate
[29:39.560 -> 29:41.480] Richardson-Walsh, the captain of the team.
[29:42.160 -> 29:45.320] How did it take you to that point in your career
[29:45.320 -> 29:48.600] to see that as a healthy conversation, not an unhealthy one?
[29:48.600 -> 29:51.820] Well, I think it's the fact that we're all human
[29:51.820 -> 29:54.520] and we all slip and nobody's perfect.
[29:54.520 -> 29:57.900] And I think just having that awareness and knowledge
[29:57.900 -> 29:59.480] in the team was really helpful.
[29:59.480 -> 30:01.040] And it's a team sport.
[30:01.040 -> 30:03.060] You know, I relied on my teammates
[30:03.060 -> 30:04.280] as much as they relied on me.
[30:04.280 -> 30:05.120] And that's why it can't
[30:05.120 -> 30:07.600] ever be about one person.
[30:07.600 -> 30:11.180] I was the captain but I had the whole team of leaders.
[30:11.180 -> 30:13.860] We were all leaders in that team.
[30:13.860 -> 30:18.680] Every single person in that squad was a leader and we were developing ourselves as leaders
[30:18.680 -> 30:20.200] and you never stop.
[30:20.200 -> 30:24.360] I think sometimes we think, oh we'll go on a course and we'll read a book, we've absolutely
[30:24.360 -> 30:25.000] nailed it.
[30:25.000 -> 30:28.500] And actually, you never stop learning and growing as a leader.
[30:28.500 -> 30:34.000] And we're imperfect. And we have egos. And we have blind spots. And that's all good stuff.
[30:34.000 -> 30:41.500] And I think just being open to that is the joy of it and is the growth mindset, is that,
[30:41.500 -> 30:49.680] yeah, I'm not going to have ever really accomplished this. I will keep on trying for till my, you know, till the end of days and you've got to find
[30:49.680 -> 30:50.680] joy in that, I think.
[30:50.680 -> 30:55.240] And you're now at a point where you're able to sit here and talk about the vulnerability
[30:55.240 -> 30:58.380] and the difficulties and the challenges.
[30:58.380 -> 31:02.460] Was part of this when you were the England captain about, you kind of felt like your
[31:02.460 -> 31:07.960] role wasn't to be vulnerable, it wasn't to be the person in the room who was struggling. So this was a front that you
[31:07.960 -> 31:13.600] put on to be who you were, to be a captain in your sort of image of what a
[31:13.600 -> 31:15.680] captain is, to protect yourself.
[31:15.680 -> 31:18.280] Yes, without a shadow of a doubt, yes.
[31:18.280 -> 31:23.160] Partly because of, I suppose, the leaders that I'd had around me, what I'd seen
[31:23.160 -> 31:25.280] leadership was. I think it was,
[31:31.600 -> 31:32.240] you know, nobody was talking about mental health, you know, when I was growing up and into my 20s,
[31:36.640 -> 31:41.040] it wasn't even just taboo, it just wasn't a topic of conversation. So you put a mask on and you crack on and you get on with it and whether you're having the worst day in the world, you don't want
[31:41.040 -> 31:48.160] to affect everybody else around you, so you put a smiley face on and you, you on and you crack on and it was a real moment for me and it wasn't
[31:48.160 -> 31:51.200] you know it wasn't a moment in time it was definitely over a period of time but
[31:51.200 -> 31:56.440] for myself and I think my teammates when we started to understand that we're
[31:56.440 -> 32:01.080] gonna have good days and bad days and there's external factors all playing out
[32:01.080 -> 32:04.960] in our lives outside of being a hockey player. There are things that we don't
[32:04.960 -> 32:08.100] know about one another that we're going through and all
[32:08.100 -> 32:11.700] of this is going to affect us and that makes us human and actually if we are
[32:11.700 -> 32:15.380] able to create little pockets of space of people to share that in a way that
[32:15.380 -> 32:20.700] they feel comfortable then not only does it help that person but the bonds of
[32:20.700 -> 32:24.720] trust and respect that it created between us were just so powerful and it
[32:24.720 -> 32:30.720] is that shared experience that connectivity that you can't fast track and you can't mimic
[32:30.720 -> 32:36.800] or get any way other than that deep level of connection and of sharing of vulnerability.
[32:36.800 -> 32:38.280] But it was a real process for me.
[32:38.280 -> 32:42.960] You know, I still hear now leaders talk about, oh, I'm really concerned that the people are
[32:42.960 -> 32:45.000] going to see it as a weakness if I share
[32:45.000 -> 32:49.200] my vulnerabilities, that they're going to think I'm not strong and I'll lose my power.
[32:49.200 -> 32:57.440] But actually I think, and Danny, when he shared his vulnerabilities with us about his leadership,
[32:57.440 -> 33:03.040] about the leadership of the team, it connected, it was like, oh right, okay, he's a human
[33:03.040 -> 33:05.240] being, he also has good days and, dyna dyn y dyn. Mae hefyd ganddo dyddiau da a dyddiau ddau,
[33:05.240 -> 33:07.480] ac gallwn siarad am hynny.
[33:07.480 -> 33:09.640] Dwi'n credu bod e'n gwneud nhw'n fwy gysylltiadwy
[33:09.640 -> 33:10.560] a'n ymddiriedolaethol,
[33:10.560 -> 33:13.920] ac dwi'n credu bod hynny'n unig peth da i'r rhanfyrwyr.
[33:13.920 -> 33:15.760] Dw i'n gobeithio y dywedais i Danny,
[33:15.760 -> 33:16.600] dwi'n gobeithio ddweud, dwi'n gobeithio dweud,
[33:16.600 -> 33:17.440] dwi'n gobeithio dweud, dwi'n gobeithio dweud,
[33:17.440 -> 33:18.260] dwi'n gobeithio dweud, dwi'n gobeithio dweud,
[33:18.260 -> 33:19.100] dwi'n gobeithio dweud, dwi'n gobeithio dweud,
[33:19.100 -> 33:19.940] dwi'n gobeithio dweud, dwi'n gobeithio dweud,
[33:19.940 -> 33:20.760] dwi'n gobeithio dweud, dwi'n gobeithio dweud,
[33:20.760 -> 33:21.600] dwi'n gobeithio dweud, dwi'n gobeithio dweud,
[33:21.600 -> 33:22.440] dwi'n gobeithio dweud, dwi'n gobeithio dweud,
[33:22.440 -> 33:23.260] dwi'n gobeithio dweud, dwi'n gobeithio dweud,
[33:23.260 -> 33:24.100] dwi'n gobeithio dweud, dwi'n gobeithio dweud,
[33:24.100 -> 33:25.160] dwi'n gobeithio dweud, dwi' iawn sy'n dweud, pan fyddech chi'n ymgyrchu grwp o dynion, gallwch chi eu hymdrechu
[33:25.160 -> 33:26.680] ac maen nhw'n teimlo eu bod yn berygai,
[33:26.680 -> 33:45.920] er mai'n dweud, gyda'r brofiad o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r dynion, yw'r ffaith bod angen i chi berygai'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r r terms. What was your experience of that? This is one of the moments me and Danny
[33:45.920 -> 33:48.360] would have a really good in-depth conversation and we might sit on
[33:48.360 -> 33:52.800] different sides of the fence on this one. Because I feel a little bit like that's
[33:52.800 -> 33:56.920] a bit of a broad brush approach again where you put all kind of women in this
[33:56.920 -> 34:02.440] box and all men in this box and actually we're all different and we all want and
[34:02.440 -> 34:05.560] need different things and you know, perhaps there
[34:05.560 -> 34:09.760] are some generalizations and perhaps there are, you know, some things that are more pertinent
[34:09.760 -> 34:15.440] because of how we're raised as traditionally as boys and girls or you know, whatever.
[34:15.440 -> 34:19.720] And actually I think breaking some of that down, I think is going to be really healthy
[34:19.720 -> 34:28.800] and also helpful for the next generation I I think, of youngsters, particularly who are growing up being really conscious of their identity and who they are and
[34:28.800 -> 34:32.720] around their gender and how they are in the environment, how they're treated and
[34:32.720 -> 34:36.560] respected and how they respond to things. And so I think, I just feel it's a bit
[34:36.560 -> 34:41.560] narrow, I think it is a lovely neat phrase and obviously Danny's experienced
[34:41.560 -> 34:49.000] it, so I'm not, I'm not knocking his experience, he's coaching the team. Yeahi'i ddweud wrth ddweud fy mod i'n fframio'r cwestiwn yn y ffordd honno, felly efallai
[34:49.000 -> 34:54.000] fe oedd yn ymateb i fy ngysylltiad fawr yn hytrach na'n ymateb yn y ffordd honno, felly dwi ddim eisiau
[34:54.000 -> 34:58.000] gweld yn ddifrifol neu gwneud iddo ddweud fy mod i'n ei gosod yn y bocs.
[34:58.000 -> 35:06.160] Ond roeddwn i ddim yn ddiddorol o'r dynamic a oedd yn ei gysylltu, oherwydd rydw i weithio gyda Tracy Neville, gyda'r rosy,
[35:06.160 -> 35:12.240] ac rydw i'n teimlo ei bod yn dynamic ddiddorol sy'n mynd i fy nghyfathrebu rhai o fy nghynnwyr.
[35:12.240 -> 35:12.740] Iawn.
[35:12.740 -> 35:14.560] Ac roedd hynny'n cynllun y gwnaethom ei gofyn.
[35:14.560 -> 35:15.760] Ie, ddim, yn dda.
[35:15.760 -> 35:19.840] Na, rydw i'n credu, rydw i'n credu, rydw i'n credu, mae'n ddiddorol i'w gael,
[35:19.840 -> 35:22.960] ond rydw i'n gwybod bod yna chwaraewyr rydw i wedi chwarae gyda nhw a fyddai'n ymdrechu
[35:22.960 -> 35:28.000] yn yr hyn y gallai'n ddidd you know, what might, in Danny's view of things,
[35:28.000 -> 35:30.240] might assume it's a male way.
[35:30.240 -> 35:32.680] And I think there's players who would
[35:32.680 -> 35:34.640] certainly want to feel like that sense of belonging
[35:34.640 -> 35:37.480] before they can take on that prize.
[35:37.480 -> 35:40.360] Yeah, you know, there's definitely something in it,
[35:40.360 -> 35:44.440] but I'd like to think that we were all individuals
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[37:59.560 -> 38:04.520] take away from this conversation about how we just need to not allow our
[38:04.520 -> 38:08.040] unconscious bias to take over when we think about male and
[38:08.040 -> 38:09.740] female sports or achievements.
[38:09.740 -> 38:11.660] Or it's a really difficult one.
[38:11.680 -> 38:14.600] You know, like a lot of people, I have a boy and a girl.
[38:14.800 -> 38:17.140] I try my absolute best to bring them up exactly the same, but
[38:17.140 -> 38:19.460] I'm certain that I say and do things differently with Florence
[38:19.460 -> 38:20.460] than I do with Sebastian.
[38:20.460 -> 38:21.900] I, you know, a really good example.
[38:21.900 -> 38:23.940] Yesterday, I went to watch British Tour and Cars.
[38:24.440 -> 38:28.620] I took Sebastian and a male friend. she went to a friend's house.
[38:28.620 -> 38:29.620] Why do we do that?
[38:29.620 -> 38:33.860] You know, it's a really strange kind of, it's so deep rooted I think in some of us, isn't
[38:33.860 -> 38:34.860] it?
[38:34.860 -> 38:37.240] I mean, it's really hard.
[38:37.240 -> 38:42.680] All of our bias is deep rooted, you know, when we think about race and identity, when
[38:42.680 -> 38:47.040] we think about ableism, when we think about everything,
[38:47.040 -> 38:52.320] we are seeing the world from our perspective and what we are and who we are and how we've
[38:52.320 -> 38:56.720] been raised. But I think the starting point is just being aware of it. I think just being
[38:56.720 -> 39:01.520] conscious of it is the starting point. And then you can start to say, well, do we want
[39:01.520 -> 39:08.000] to do something about this? And what might that look like? You know, do you offer it up? Do you ask Florence next time? Or, you know, because
[39:08.000 -> 39:10.640] she might not want to go, you know what I mean? So it's not, you can't just force
[39:10.640 -> 39:14.640] things on people just because you want it to all be equitable.
[39:14.640 -> 39:18.240] Well, no, that is what happened. But then why didn't she want to go though? Like,
[39:18.240 -> 39:22.640] why is my son not saying he'd rather go and be at a friend's house and
[39:22.640 -> 39:26.440] my daughter not saying yes take me to touring cars. So something's happened, hasn't it?
[39:26.480 -> 39:28.960] Over the eight years she's been on the earth, it makes her feel I'd rather go
[39:28.960 -> 39:31.600] to a friend's house than watch cars racing around the track, but it's not
[39:31.600 -> 39:34.600] necessarily a bad thing, but it's there all the time, isn't it?
[39:34.600 -> 39:37.960] And I just think the opportunity to have this conversation with you is a unique
[39:37.960 -> 39:42.120] one, and I'd love parents and teachers and business leaders to hear this,
[39:42.160 -> 39:43.320] this kind of conversation.
[39:43.720 -> 39:44.040] Yeah.
[39:44.040 -> 39:46.320] I mean, it's such a good point, Jake.
[39:46.320 -> 39:49.120] And Helen and I talk about this all the time
[39:49.120 -> 39:51.320] as we're raising little Pfeiffer.
[39:51.320 -> 39:55.960] And we've even noticed, we're really trying really hard
[39:55.960 -> 40:00.520] not to say good girl for just little things that she does
[40:00.520 -> 40:07.320] because we say more often, it's been shown in research, that we'll say good girl to girls
[40:07.320 -> 40:11.880] but we wouldn't say good boy to boys in the same way. So girls grow up thinking I need
[40:11.880 -> 40:16.960] to prove that I'm good, I need to do things to show to other people that I'm good, that
[40:16.960 -> 40:22.280] I can get praise by doing things. And we don't necessarily raise boys in the same way and
[40:22.280 -> 40:26.440] again that's a really broad brush but you but it's just little intricacies like that.
[40:26.440 -> 40:27.600] When we go to our grandparents,
[40:27.600 -> 40:28.780] they're just throwing out the good girls
[40:28.780 -> 40:30.720] left, right, and center, and it's really well meant,
[40:30.720 -> 40:33.760] and it's with such love and warmth and good intent.
[40:33.760 -> 40:36.040] You don't want to stop them from saying that.
[40:36.040 -> 40:40.000] What about saying that it's good that you did that during,
[40:40.000 -> 40:43.000] that was a good finishing off your tea?
[40:43.000 -> 40:49.680] Whatever it might be, actually just be more specific rather than just being about girls just have to try to be good in life and they have to
[40:49.680 -> 40:55.520] just do these extra things to be seen as good. And I think that is, it's all those little, which is,
[40:55.520 -> 41:01.040] you know, when you're in parenting mode or any leadership, you know, you're in the cold base
[41:01.040 -> 41:09.040] and it's like really hard. You're not necessarily thinking that clearly or consciously about what you're saying and not saying. But I think by having conversations,
[41:09.760 -> 41:14.800] listening to different people, Helen and I are following lots of various different people on
[41:14.800 -> 41:18.880] social media just to give us different thoughts and ideas and then we can have a conversation about
[41:19.920 -> 41:24.720] how we raise FIFA. But that's just me and Helen, what about when she goes to nursery,
[41:24.720 -> 41:26.680] what about when she goes to a friend's house?
[41:26.680 -> 41:28.240] You know, what's that experience like?
[41:28.240 -> 41:30.920] Can't control everything.
[41:30.920 -> 41:33.000] So I think it's also just knowing you can do
[41:33.000 -> 41:34.800] what you can do as a parent,
[41:34.800 -> 41:38.360] and there are certain things in your realm of control,
[41:38.360 -> 41:40.920] and there are other things that are out of your control.
[41:40.920 -> 41:42.480] But at least being conscious and aware of it,
[41:42.480 -> 41:44.400] I think is key.
[41:44.400 -> 41:48.000] So as somebody that is very conscious of language and things like that, ond, yn unig, mae'n bwysig i mi fod yn gwybod a'i gwybod. Felly, fel un o'r rhai sy'n gwybod iaith a phethau fel hyn,
[41:48.000 -> 41:54.000] a allaf i chi gofyn am y sgwrs y byddwch chi wedi'i roi i'r chwaraeon yn Rio yn 2016?
[41:54.000 -> 41:57.000] Yn gwybod, pan fyddwch chi'n mynd i'r period o'r amser arall,
[41:57.000 -> 41:59.000] a chyfathrech chi i gyd,
[41:59.000 -> 42:01.000] ac rwy'n cofio, ym mis Cymru,
[42:01.000 -> 42:03.000] yn ystod y ddŵr a'n gweld e,
[42:03.000 -> 42:05.520] a'n gweithio'n ffyrdd i'r cyffredin. Ond i chi, rydych wedi cael
[42:06.320 -> 42:11.280] yr holl misau'n ddwylo, rydych wedi cael 17 mlynedd o weithio yn y ffyrdd.
[42:11.920 -> 42:17.200] Beth dweudwch chi iddo nhw ar hyn o bryd, a pha rydych chi wedi ceisio i'w ffocwsu?
[42:17.200 -> 42:22.080] Dwi ddim yn ddweud unrhyw beth, felly rwy'n cofio'r holl ysgolion, felly roeddem yn gwybod ein bod yn mynd i'r
[42:22.080 -> 42:26.360] penawdau, ac rwy'n going to penalties. I remember celebrating,
[42:26.360 -> 42:30.200] and I remember celebrating really positively because I knew and we knew
[42:30.200 -> 42:33.520] that if we could take it to penalties, because we had Maddy Hinch who's one of
[42:33.520 -> 42:37.160] the best goalkeepers against the running penalties, and then we had a really
[42:37.160 -> 42:41.280] good set of penalty takers that we trusted and we knew they'd done the work,
[42:41.280 -> 42:47.840] that was like a win for us. You know, you can't assume you're going to win in penalties, but we knew we'd given ourselves another,
[42:47.840 -> 42:50.920] another good chance. It kind of felt like we had two bites of the cherry, try and win
[42:50.920 -> 42:55.360] in normal time or go to penalties. So I remember my initial reaction was just like, you know,
[42:55.360 -> 43:00.200] well done, like celebrate, like just getting that vibe throughout the team. Everyone was
[43:00.200 -> 43:06.000] on the same kind of page as me. And then we came into the huddle and we were so present that
[43:06.000 -> 43:11.040] one of our assistant coaches kind of jumped the gun a bit because we'd literally talked through
[43:11.040 -> 43:15.840] all the processes, how this was going to work, we knew this was whether we were ever going to go to
[43:15.840 -> 43:21.040] penalties in this tournament or not, we knew how this was going to work so we came together and
[43:21.040 -> 43:24.800] one of our assistant coaches got a bit excited and went to jump the gun to start talking about
[43:24.800 -> 43:26.040] who was going to take the penalties.
[43:26.040 -> 43:30.440] And everyone was just like, that's all right, we'll just wait for Danny to come down and
[43:30.440 -> 43:32.600] he'll come down and have a conversation and then we'll...
[43:32.600 -> 43:35.120] And it was just so calm.
[43:35.120 -> 43:38.440] And it was that moment you kind of like just have a little smile to yourself, you're like,
[43:38.440 -> 43:40.600] we are so on it right now.
[43:40.600 -> 43:46.060] We're so in the moment that we are able to just see past all this kind of
[43:46.060 -> 43:50.120] external stuff and just go through the processes that we talked about in a meeting room like
[43:50.120 -> 43:56.000] thousands of miles away and take all the emotion out of it. And I think that's what I try to
[43:56.000 -> 44:00.360] do. So in the huddle before the games, in the change room when we did stuff, it was
[44:00.360 -> 44:06.120] definitely about taking the emotion out because the emotion's there. The emotion is heightened.
[44:06.120 -> 44:09.800] The motivation, the inspiration, everything is right there.
[44:09.800 -> 44:13.400] And actually, what we needed in those moments,
[44:13.400 -> 44:14.680] that team needed in those moments
[44:14.680 -> 44:18.640] was just clarity of role and task
[44:18.640 -> 44:21.620] and just getting people's heads into some tactical things
[44:21.620 -> 44:24.160] or the first two minutes or in the changing room
[44:24.160 -> 44:26.640] before the game, we might get people to just talk about the things that
[44:26.640 -> 44:29.240] they're personally going to deliver for the team on that day.
[44:29.580 -> 44:33.620] Just getting people's attention, focus on that, I think was the thing that we needed.
[44:33.620 -> 44:36.440] And that's what we did in that moment, just before we went to penalties,
[44:36.440 -> 44:38.480] it was just like, get on to task.
[44:39.000 -> 44:43.360] And where did you learn the sort of art then of, at times, silent, but
[44:43.360 -> 44:46.080] powerful leadership, because it would
[44:46.080 -> 44:49.280] be so easy and I'm sure you would have done early in your career as a captain, you'd have
[44:49.280 -> 44:53.040] gone, oh, bloody hell, penalties in the biggest game of our lives. I better say something
[44:53.040 -> 44:56.800] really loud and proud and start shouting to make everyone realise the gravity of this
[44:56.800 -> 45:01.280] situation, you know. It's quite, like, it's actually quite scary to think, I'm just going
[45:01.280 -> 45:09.360] to be quiet for a minute. I'm not sure I'd be able to do that. So many times I, because I thought it was all about big speeches, you know, you've seen the
[45:09.360 -> 45:13.120] movies, you know, there's any given Sunday, the, what is it?
[45:13.120 -> 45:15.360] The span of the inches in front of your face.
[45:15.360 -> 45:21.440] And like all of that, the Miracle, the ice hockey film, like all, every sports film,
[45:21.440 -> 45:26.380] there's a big speech and everyone's like, wow. I definitely thought it was about that.
[45:26.380 -> 45:27.800] And I did that.
[45:27.800 -> 45:28.880] I actually did that.
[45:28.880 -> 45:33.420] So it was a tournament in South Korea in 2003
[45:33.420 -> 45:35.200] and we got to the final against South Korea
[45:35.200 -> 45:38.320] and I was like, right, this is my any given Sunday moment.
[45:38.320 -> 45:40.200] So I wrote this epic speech.
[45:40.200 -> 45:41.640] It was around the South Korean flag,
[45:41.640 -> 45:49.320] how we needed to have yin and yang, balance in the side. We needed to have all the four elements in the corner of the flag bring them out of us to win this game
[45:49.320 -> 45:51.320] Honestly, it was it was long
[45:51.920 -> 45:53.920] And then it rained
[45:54.400 -> 45:59.860] Biblically for like two days the pitch was waterlogged and we couldn't we didn't play the game and I think that was like a real like
[46:01.000 -> 46:05.920] Okay, probably not about big speeches or you know, and I'd in the
[46:05.920 -> 46:11.320] huddles I would try and say like all these quotes and metaphors and really
[46:11.320 -> 46:15.080] bad stuff. I look back and think, oh my word, what people must have been shaking
[46:15.080 -> 46:19.560] their heads at me. And actually just trying to get into what that team needed
[46:19.560 -> 46:26.120] at that time. So if I was captain in my club side, that might need a bit of oomph and a bit of because
[46:26.120 -> 46:32.400] people were coming from work or they'd travelled miles and they'd just woken up two hours ago.
[46:32.400 -> 46:37.280] Or you're playing an Olympic final, where is the emotion and the energy and what does
[46:37.280 -> 46:38.280] it need right now?
[46:38.280 -> 46:43.040] I think it was Bill Belichick, one of the books I read, talked about taking the temperature
[46:43.040 -> 46:49.320] in the room, which I just loved, just being that sense of, what do they need right now?
[46:49.320 -> 46:50.720] And can I give it?
[46:50.720 -> 46:51.720] Can I take it away?
[46:51.720 -> 46:52.720] Who else can give it?
[46:52.720 -> 46:54.440] Because I might not be the best person.
[46:54.440 -> 46:56.960] And that was, again, a long lesson learned.
[46:56.960 -> 46:57.960] But...
[46:57.960 -> 47:01.600] What a great lesson though, because when you talk about your big sort of Churchillian moment,
[47:01.600 -> 47:07.820] you know, your moment to be Robert De Niro, you said, I thought this was my opportunity to do my any given Sunday moment.
[47:08.200 -> 47:11.960] So it's almost like the emotion there is this is the right thing for me.
[47:12.200 -> 47:15.320] Yet you've got a group of women around you who need something totally different.
[47:15.320 -> 47:19.680] And that's such a good lesson in leadership and a mistake that we
[47:19.680 -> 47:21.120] make sort of in everyday life.
[47:21.120 -> 47:24.360] How often do we make a decision or do something because it works for us
[47:24.360 -> 47:28.720] rather than what's the right thing here? No definitely, I mean Danny often talked about
[47:28.720 -> 47:33.360] it's not about what you want, it's about what you need. You know I might want in that moment to be
[47:33.360 -> 47:38.320] the big, yeah be the big boys and like you know take the center stage but actually what I need
[47:38.320 -> 47:42.880] and what the team need right now is this, this and this and actually I've got to deliver that. So
[47:42.880 -> 47:46.800] that was a really good lesson I think think, from him that I learned.
[47:47.800 -> 47:50.200] So where does all this energy go now then?
[47:50.200 -> 47:52.700] Because we've had this conversation about someone at the absolute
[47:52.700 -> 47:55.400] cutting edge of a sport that grew exponentially in your time.
[47:55.400 -> 47:59.500] You have been at the epicenter of one of the greatest sporting
[47:59.500 -> 48:02.200] moments that this country has seen in the last 20 or 30 years.
[48:02.800 -> 48:07.920] Where does the energy, where does it all go now that you're no longer involved at that elite
[48:07.920 -> 48:12.560] level on the pitch? Yeah it's a really good question. I mean I think I'm doing
[48:12.560 -> 48:17.040] what I did but in a really different environment. So I'm going into
[48:17.040 -> 48:21.440] different organizations and businesses and companies and I'm working currently
[48:21.440 -> 48:25.800] part-time at Virgin Media just doing the same thing, helping
[48:25.800 -> 48:31.720] people thrive, giving people the best opportunity to be the best version of themselves and helping
[48:31.720 -> 48:36.720] groups of people become teams and really get the best out of themselves as well.
[48:36.720 -> 48:38.640] So that is where I'm at right now.
[48:38.640 -> 48:44.500] I'm also coaching a club team in the Premier Division of the Women's National League alongside
[48:44.500 -> 48:50.860] Sarah Kelleher, who's an ex-Irish international. So I'm still involved in sport and
[48:50.860 -> 48:54.460] I'm still involved with people and teams because I'm obsessed by that. I'm obsessed
[48:54.460 -> 48:59.220] by how you get this random group of people with all these different strengths
[48:59.220 -> 49:03.640] round one table all pulling in the same direction and creating these magical
[49:03.640 -> 49:07.000] bonds between them. I just think that is just a joyful thing. i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, in the world of hockey.
[49:07.000 -> 49:09.000] I gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, in the world of hockey.
[49:09.000 -> 49:10.000] I gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, in the world of hockey.
[49:10.000 -> 49:11.000] I gyd, i gyd, i gyd, in the world of hockey.
[49:11.000 -> 49:12.000] I gyd, i gyd, in the world of hockey.
[49:12.000 -> 49:29.600] I gyd, in the world even values. I've been into so many places and they're on the wall and they're on their
[49:29.600 -> 49:35.040] computer screens and they're everywhere. But you actually say, what does that mean? And
[49:35.040 -> 49:39.600] I've done it, workshopped it with loads of different groups and teams and they keep giving
[49:39.600 -> 49:49.360] me more values. And I'm like, no, but what will I see, hear and feel? If I came into your place of work, how would I know that this is the value that you, this
[49:49.360 -> 49:52.000] is what you're about to your core?
[49:52.000 -> 49:59.600] And I think it's like 10% of organizations operationalize their values into actual actions.
[49:59.600 -> 50:01.000] And I think that for us was the difference.
[50:01.000 -> 50:06.640] I think getting explicit about things, about your behaviorsours and actions means you can challenge yourself against something
[50:06.640 -> 50:10.280] concrete and you've got license to challenge each other against that as
[50:10.280 -> 50:15.400] well and celebrate them as well when you see them and get to
[50:15.400 -> 50:19.760] experience them. So I think that for me is first and foremost the most
[50:19.760 -> 50:24.400] important thing of all that took us from being kind of average to being
[50:24.400 -> 50:25.360] outstanding for a kind of average to being outstanding for
[50:25.360 -> 50:29.240] a kind of period of five, six years. And for people listening to this, whether
[50:29.240 -> 50:33.560] they're business leaders or teachers and we get a lot of people involved in the
[50:33.560 -> 50:38.400] world of sport as well, professional coaches, amateur coaches, competitors, what
[50:38.400 -> 50:41.920] is the first thing that you would recommend people doing if they kind of,
[50:41.920 -> 50:47.320] they don't have a culture at the moment, they're kind of doing okay and they're swimming along. What's the, what's the questions
[50:47.320 -> 50:50.680] they should be asking themselves at the very beginning of the process?
[50:50.680 -> 50:55.600] I think it's again a question that Danny asked us in 2009 when we first came
[50:55.600 -> 50:59.080] together as a centralised program and he stood at the front of the room and said
[50:59.080 -> 51:04.520] how do you want to be remembered? And I think it's such a powerful question
[51:04.520 -> 51:05.160] because it's again, it's, this is in your gift, you know, what do you want to be remembered? And I think it's such a powerful question because it is
[51:05.160 -> 51:10.080] again, it's this is in your gift, you know, what do you want to be about and how
[51:10.080 -> 51:13.680] do you want to be remembered? What is that going to take? And let's like talk
[51:13.680 -> 51:18.160] about that, let's talk about the fears that we have around that, let's talk
[51:18.160 -> 51:22.560] about the past failures that we've had and you know, once you've kind of talked
[51:22.560 -> 51:29.740] about that and got all that experience out and knowledge, I think it starts to become clear that that vision or that purpose, why you're here,
[51:29.740 -> 51:36.220] why you're giving your time to this, your precious time and that has to, that has to mean something.
[51:36.220 -> 51:41.200] I think if you get people aligned to that, then I think you're already moving in the right direction.
[51:42.180 -> 51:46.520] Because I know when you won the gold you had sort of the three values that you
[51:46.520 -> 51:50.600] lived by. We are winners, be alive, which I love by the way, I think that one's
[51:50.600 -> 51:54.360] really interesting, and we are one team. Can you just explain to us how you came
[51:54.360 -> 51:58.760] to those three and then how you made them come alive every single day?
[51:58.760 -> 52:02.120] Yeah, so our vision was and be the difference, create history, inspire the future.
[52:02.120 -> 52:07.380] So that was very much about kind of reflecting on the past and the history and the legacy and then looking
[52:07.380 -> 52:10.800] forward to what we could be, what we wanted it to be, what influence could we
[52:10.800 -> 52:16.280] have on wider society and then the being mindful and present. And once we, and this
[52:16.280 -> 52:20.560] was meetings, you know, just lots of sitting in rooms, having conversations,
[52:20.560 -> 52:25.120] the psychologist Andrea First, Dr. Andrea First, prompting us, giving us
[52:25.120 -> 52:29.220] good questions, sending us off into small groups, coming back, having some really good
[52:29.220 -> 52:36.120] debate and conversation and disagreement on various points, and then drilling down into
[52:36.120 -> 52:42.200] what either don't we have and do we need to make that vision come to life, and what is
[52:42.200 -> 52:43.640] that going to sound like?
[52:43.640 -> 52:45.320] Because in the past we've
[52:45.320 -> 52:48.100] had and there's nothing wrong with generic values because words have
[52:48.100 -> 52:52.000] meaning and they should carry meaning but you know we could have had you know
[52:52.000 -> 52:57.400] respect, communication, those kind of words but we felt that we needed
[52:57.400 -> 53:02.400] something that was personal to us that we could weave into the fabric of who we
[53:02.400 -> 53:05.960] were that we could base our game were, that we could base our game analysis
[53:05.960 -> 53:10.640] around, that we could base our training sessions around, so that we got to
[53:10.640 -> 53:14.400] we are one team because we had been anything but a team in the two years in
[53:14.400 -> 53:18.760] the build up to that point in 2015 when we came up with that, those visions,
[53:18.760 -> 53:22.880] vies and behaviors. We'd just been a group of individual players for
[53:22.880 -> 53:26.400] various reasons, so we needed to be explicit about what it is to be a team,
[53:26.400 -> 53:30.800] because you two might have very strong feelings about what it is to be a team.
[53:30.800 -> 53:35.000] And I might have very different, but also very strong thoughts as well.
[53:35.000 -> 53:37.000] And actually, unless we get aligned on that,
[53:37.000 -> 53:39.400] we're all going to be pulling in different directions.
[53:39.400 -> 53:43.200] And then we are winners, just because we were just far too nice.
[53:43.200 -> 53:45.760] We were very British about everything.
[53:45.760 -> 53:47.720] And we just needed to be ruthless
[53:47.720 -> 53:50.040] and actually own winning, talk about winning,
[53:50.040 -> 53:54.280] celebrate winning, find ways to win in any situation,
[53:54.280 -> 53:57.360] and understand that there will be great learning
[53:57.360 -> 53:58.880] from the moments when we don't win,
[53:58.880 -> 54:01.280] but that We Are Winners was a really important one.
[54:01.280 -> 54:03.560] And I think possibly the difference between the group
[54:03.560 -> 54:06.040] that we had in London, which was a phenomenal group. There was the
[54:06.040 -> 54:09.800] really foundations of what happened in Rio but the difference I think was that
[54:09.800 -> 54:14.440] ruthlessness and then Be Alive was all about being mindful and present and
[54:14.440 -> 54:18.960] being totally here. I had the best job in the world as a hockey player but my mind
[54:18.960 -> 54:23.480] hurt, my body hurt and there were days when you know many days when I you know
[54:23.480 -> 54:25.320] didn't jolly skip
[54:25.320 -> 54:30.540] into training, you know, all the joys and actually, can I still be here with you?
[54:30.540 -> 54:36.040] Can I be with you in a meeting and the information is going in and I'm really
[54:36.040 -> 54:38.960] thinking about what conversations I might need to have off the back of this
[54:38.960 -> 54:42.680] meeting. What member of staff do I need to talk to? What group of players do I
[54:42.680 -> 54:48.360] need to get together? What bit of video do I need to watch, or am I just letting it go in one ear and out the other?
[54:48.360 -> 54:55.600] And, you know, we've all been there, we've all been in meetings and we've all seen other people be in meetings when they're not there.
[54:55.600 -> 55:04.400] And we didn't have time for that, we had 18 months from turning it around to, as the England team finishing 11th out of 12 at the World Cup in 2014,
[55:04.400 -> 55:06.560] to thinking that we could go to Rio and play in for that gold medal. fel rhan o'r tîm England sy'n cynnwys 11 o 12 yn y Cwp Ddinas yn 2014 i meddwl ein bod yn gallu mynd i Rhywle
[55:06.560 -> 55:13.760] a chwarae ar gyfer y meddal gol. Felly rhaid i ni ddewis hyn, rhaid i ni ddewis y ddarn, rhaid i ni ddewis yn gyflym.
[55:13.760 -> 55:19.760] Felly dyna pam rwy'n credu ein bod yn rhaid i ni fod yn ymwneud â'r gwerthfawr hwn ac ymdrechion hwn.
[55:19.760 -> 55:27.000] Ac beth sydd wedi digwydd gyda'r rhai sy ddim yn gweithio i mewn i hynnyr cyfnod honno? Felly, rwy'n gwybod eich bod chi wedi cael y cyfnodau hyn sy'n rhoi cyfle i bobl i gweithio,
[55:27.000 -> 55:32.000] ond a oedd yna unrhyw casgliadau ar y ffordd sy'n ddweud na yw'n ymwneud â'u gwneud?
[55:32.000 -> 55:36.000] Na, dwi ddim yn credu hynny, oherwydd rwy'n credu y byddai angen i fod yn rhan o'r ystafell gweithio
[55:36.000 -> 55:40.000] ac y byddai angen i chi gael pobl sy'n gyrraedd y ffyrdd
[55:40.000 -> 55:42.000] ac yn rhoi ychydig o ddifrif o'r cyfrifiad.
[55:42.000 -> 55:44.000] Oherwydd os ydych chi ddim, byddai'n rhaid i chi fod yn robotig a'n anodd.
[55:44.000 -> 55:51.240] Felly, mewn gwirionedd, y bobl sy'n ymwneud â'r bobl sy'n ymwneud â'r pethau o'r ffyrdd, and give you a bit of check and challenge, because if you don't it's going to be robotic and boring. So actually, those people that kind of sit on the edges of things, they were really important,
[55:51.240 -> 55:54.800] they think differently to everybody else, they challenge things.
[55:54.800 -> 55:59.920] And actually I think that was another changing moment for me to acknowledge that those,
[55:59.920 -> 56:02.640] I mean people call them mavericks, whatever you want to call them, the outliers,
[56:02.640 -> 56:09.360] actually they are just as important as the people in the critical mass, because you can get too
[56:09.360 -> 56:11.160] boring and homogenous otherwise.
[56:11.160 -> 56:16.760] So we didn't have a great deal of turnover in the squad, but having this culture, having
[56:16.760 -> 56:21.680] this sense of who we were really helped us bring people into the squad, because, you
[56:21.680 -> 56:25.820] know, being able to communicate that really clearly, it says to those people
[56:25.820 -> 56:30.440] immediately like, this is what it is to be part of this team and here we are, welcome
[56:30.440 -> 56:37.600] you into it and we'll support you in understanding and driving it with us all at the same time.
[56:37.600 -> 56:40.520] So I think it was really at the centre of everything really.
[56:40.520 -> 56:44.160] I've loved the last hour or so having this conversation.
[56:44.160 -> 56:45.480] We're about to move on to our
[56:45.480 -> 56:48.840] quickfire questions. Before we do though, I remember at the very beginning you spoke
[56:48.840 -> 56:52.960] about the importance of a sense of balance and we then had a brief discussion about the
[56:52.960 -> 56:57.500] fact that there was challenges in your childhood as well and right up until your 20s you wanted
[56:57.500 -> 57:13.160] to be somebody else. Where are you now in terms of being happy with yourself? I feel like I am happy with the fact that I am an imperfect being and that I am growing
[57:13.160 -> 57:20.400] and learning so much every day and that that is what actually ultimately what makes me
[57:20.400 -> 57:27.360] happy is the knowledge that I am living, breathing person who has a role
[57:27.360 -> 57:32.940] and value in this world being just the way I am.
[57:32.940 -> 57:37.040] And that some people aren't going to like that and that's okay.
[57:37.040 -> 57:39.280] That's also absolutely fine.
[57:39.280 -> 57:44.220] And actually really it's my acceptance of myself, which is the most important thing
[57:44.220 -> 57:48.240] and that will help me feel like I belong in the world.
[57:48.240 -> 57:49.060] I love that.
[57:49.060 -> 57:51.120] And can I just check that you do also understand
[57:51.120 -> 57:53.400] that you're just as valuable and just as valued
[57:53.400 -> 57:55.060] when you're not an international hockey player
[57:55.060 -> 57:56.540] fighting for gold medals, right?
[57:56.540 -> 57:58.120] Yes, that's a hard lesson to learn.
[57:58.120 -> 57:59.800] That was a hard lesson to learn.
[57:59.800 -> 58:00.640] Because?
[58:00.640 -> 58:03.960] Because I'd done it for so long
[58:03.960 -> 58:09.440] and because who I was as a person and who I was as Kate
[58:09.440 -> 58:12.880] Richland-Walsh, captain of the England and Great Britain women's hockey team, were one,
[58:12.880 -> 58:21.600] and I felt like losing that part of myself meant I lost myself. And the challenge was to just take
[58:21.600 -> 58:25.360] all that good stuff that I'd learned, all that growth that I'd found as a hockey player
[58:25.360 -> 58:30.000] and actually help that develop me and I wasn't losing anything, I was just going to add a bit
[58:30.000 -> 58:36.160] more, a few more strings to my bow. But that's taken me a good three years to wrap my head around
[58:36.160 -> 58:41.520] that and to get through that transition. So what advice would you give then Kate to anyone that
[58:42.080 -> 58:47.760] is making a transition from one role or one identity to another in their lives? I think Beth y byddwch chi'n rhoi i unrhyw un sy'n gwneud transisiwn o un rôl neu un enigedd i un arall yn eu bywydau?
[58:47.760 -> 58:53.760] Rwy'n credu, yn debyg, yn cael ei ystyried y byddai'n wahanol, ond nid yw'r wahanol yn beth ddifrifol.
[58:53.760 -> 58:58.640] Rwy'n cofio siarad â'r therapwr i fynd i'r atgymorth, ac rwy'n dweud, roedd yn teimlo fel ystod o'r clif,
[58:58.640 -> 59:02.720] ac roeddwn i'n teimlo'n mynd i'r ffwrdd i'r byd, ac roedd hi'n dweud, ie, rhaid i ni feddwl am hynny,
[59:02.720 -> 59:11.080] oherwydd nid yw hynny'n dda. Felly rydyn ni'n siarad, rydyn ni'n siarad llawer am sut roeddwn i'n gweld yn ei gilydd, into the abyss and she was like, yeah, we need to think about that because that's not great. So we talked a lot about how I was visualising it and actually to see this as an opportunity
[59:11.080 -> 59:13.920] rather than a loss.
[59:13.920 -> 59:18.560] And so to think about me taking off from that edge of the cliff and actually taking flight
[59:18.560 -> 59:24.780] and that's again a really lovely analogy to talk about but actually to get your head around
[59:24.780 -> 59:28.320] it and actually do it has been a bit more of a challenge but I
[59:28.320 -> 59:31.560] think just being kind to myself it's helped that Helen and I were going
[59:31.560 -> 59:35.400] through it at the same time to be able to talk about it and share and totally
[59:35.400 -> 59:40.520] get it 100% and so that's been that has been really helpful but I think just get
[59:40.520 -> 59:43.880] comfortable with that there will be some changes and that they change is okay I
[59:43.880 -> 59:46.240] remember talking to a CEO and he said, yeah I'm gonna
[59:46.240 -> 59:51.160] retire, I'm really excited, I'm gonna play loads of golf and I was like brilliant,
[59:51.160 -> 59:54.440] like great you've got a plan, love it. He's like, yeah I don't need this anymore
[59:54.440 -> 59:57.480] and I said, have you thought about, you know, what it's gonna be like the first
[59:57.480 -> 01:00:00.320] time you introduce yourself to someone because how do you introduce yourself
[01:00:00.320 -> 01:00:06.160] now and you said, yeah my name I'm the CEO of blah blah blah and I say now it'll be your name and there'll
[01:00:06.160 -> 01:00:09.840] Be a bit of a pause and you gotta get comfortable with that pause and that
[01:00:10.640 -> 01:00:15.700] You know, it's those kind of things that you just time it just takes time and processing it
[01:00:15.700 -> 01:00:21.160] So, how do you introduce yourself now that I'm Kate Richardson Walsh. I'm good enough. Yeah, amazing
[01:00:22.360 -> 01:00:27.300] Quick fire questions at the end of our interview, if you don't mind.
[01:00:27.300 -> 01:00:31.820] Three non-negotiables that people around you must buy into?
[01:00:31.820 -> 01:00:38.000] I mean, it's kind of related to the team, but definitely that the team's first.
[01:00:38.000 -> 01:00:41.000] It's not about the individual, it's about the team.
[01:00:41.000 -> 01:00:43.200] And so, you know, think about society.
[01:00:43.200 -> 01:00:45.000] If we think about the broader society first
[01:00:45.640 -> 01:00:51.800] Then we're gonna make better choices than if we're just very selflessly thinking about are just the lane that we are in
[01:00:51.800 -> 01:00:57.920] And I think that's the first one. I think that it is it's you it starts with you
[01:00:57.920 -> 01:01:01.560] It ends with you you can be the change you want to see you can
[01:01:02.080 -> 01:01:04.080] Make things happen you can create
[01:01:05.040 -> 01:01:10.000] you want to see, you can make things happen, you can create wonderful opportunities for yourself and other people but it is within you, you have
[01:01:10.000 -> 01:01:14.160] that power within you, those gifts. I think I'm not the acknowledgement of
[01:01:14.160 -> 01:01:18.760] that and then I think what we talked about earlier about the being
[01:01:18.760 -> 01:01:24.780] open to challenge, challenging me and being open to have challenge yourself I
[01:01:24.780 -> 01:01:25.160] think that
[01:01:25.160 -> 01:01:28.140] is that is the growth mindset effectively isn't it it's just having
[01:01:28.140 -> 01:01:31.280] that growth mindset I think that's really important for the people that I
[01:01:31.280 -> 01:01:35.760] am around and work with. So what's one piece of advice that you'd give to a
[01:01:35.760 -> 01:01:40.680] teenage Kate just starting out on her journey? Well I think it's probably come
[01:01:40.680 -> 01:01:47.420] out through our conversation but you know you're enough, just be you, all of you.
[01:01:48.020 -> 01:01:50.140] You know, the bits you like,
[01:01:50.140 -> 01:01:52.480] the bits you perhaps don't like as much,
[01:01:52.480 -> 01:01:54.820] it's still you and it's lovely.
[01:01:54.820 -> 01:01:57.180] So I think that's the message.
[01:01:57.180 -> 01:01:58.900] What is your biggest strength
[01:01:58.900 -> 01:02:01.200] and also your biggest weakness?
[01:02:02.700 -> 01:02:03.980] Helen and I talk about this a lot.
[01:02:03.980 -> 01:02:05.520] We talked about strengths and weaknesses obviously a
[01:02:05.520 -> 01:02:11.960] lot as athletes, but we continue to talk about it as a couple. I think my biggest strength
[01:02:11.960 -> 01:02:19.480] is that I care a lot. I care about justice and equality. I just, I really care deeply.
[01:02:19.480 -> 01:02:26.400] My biggest weakness is that I care. I sometimes care too much and sometimes that's bad for me,
[01:02:26.400 -> 01:02:30.200] sometimes it's actually bad for other people and it's just my awareness of
[01:02:30.200 -> 01:02:34.640] that, just not letting that tip over. What's one book recommendation you'd
[01:02:34.640 -> 01:02:40.400] make for our listeners? Oh can I do two, is that rude? Definitely. These two I
[01:02:40.400 -> 01:02:45.000] still turn to today. So the first one is Phil Jackson, 11 Rings.
[01:02:45.000 -> 01:02:47.500] I just love how he talks about leadership,
[01:02:47.500 -> 01:02:48.700] how it comes from within,
[01:02:48.700 -> 01:02:51.600] how he dealt with the players that he had,
[01:02:51.600 -> 01:02:53.740] some of the mavericks that he had,
[01:02:53.740 -> 01:02:55.820] how he reached them, built relationships with them,
[01:02:55.820 -> 01:02:57.700] cared about them.
[01:02:57.700 -> 01:03:00.700] And particularly in that kind of very masculinized
[01:03:00.700 -> 01:03:03.580] environment, very stereotypical masculine environment.
[01:03:03.580 -> 01:03:04.820] So I love that.
[01:03:04.820 -> 01:03:05.120] And then another one is an oldie as well. It's Bill Walsh, The Score Takes Care of Itself. environment, very stereotypical masculine environment. I love that and then
[01:03:05.120 -> 01:03:09.440] another one is an oldie as well, it's Bill Walsh, the Scortex care of itself
[01:03:09.440 -> 01:03:14.800] and he was the coach of the San Francisco 49ers in the 80s, I'm a 49ers
[01:03:14.800 -> 01:03:21.240] fan but it's his, him talking about culture and the power of culture being
[01:03:21.240 -> 01:03:25.160] woven into everybody from the caretaker or the janitor to the
[01:03:25.160 -> 01:03:30.960] starting quarterback, they've all got to live, own, breathe, drive the culture. They
[01:03:30.960 -> 01:03:34.320] all have value and they all have worth and one can't exist without the other
[01:03:34.320 -> 01:03:40.000] and I think that that lesson for me was very really well learned very early on
[01:03:40.000 -> 01:03:42.920] so I'd still turn to that book I think it's a great one.
[01:03:42.920 -> 01:03:45.300] Brilliant suggestions, thank you.
[01:03:45.300 -> 01:03:48.000] And the final question, your one golden rule,
[01:03:48.000 -> 01:03:50.100] your one final message for people listening to this
[01:03:50.100 -> 01:03:53.000] to live their own high-performance life.
[01:03:53.000 -> 01:03:54.400] I would probably be the same message
[01:03:54.400 -> 01:03:55.700] that I'd give to my teenage self,
[01:03:55.700 -> 01:03:58.300] is that it can come, it is within you,
[01:03:58.300 -> 01:04:02.800] that you will grow and develop and learn so much,
[01:04:02.800 -> 01:04:04.900] but it essentially is within you,
[01:04:04.900 -> 01:04:05.640] that that gift to be whatever it is you want but it essentially is within you that that gift
[01:04:05.640 -> 01:04:08.760] to be whatever it is you want to be is is right within you.
[01:04:08.760 -> 01:04:12.400] Oh man, thank you so much that's been quite an emotional hour-long
[01:04:12.400 -> 01:04:16.480] conversation hasn't it? You're the sort of you're the epitome of the
[01:04:16.480 -> 01:04:20.800] power of imperfection perhaps and I'm so pleased that you know when you go back
[01:04:20.800 -> 01:04:24.760] to that person that you didn't want to be when you in your 20s how great that
[01:04:24.760 -> 01:04:29.120] you stuck with her. hey? Yeah, I'm pleased. Yeah, it worked out well for that girl,
[01:04:29.120 -> 01:04:34.400] yeah. That girl from Stockport. The Queen of the North. And I think,
[01:04:34.400 -> 01:04:38.240] I think the story is far from over. I look forward to seeing what's next in the chapter, you know?
[01:04:38.240 -> 01:04:38.720] Definitely.
[01:04:41.600 -> 01:04:42.080] Damien.
[01:04:42.640 -> 01:04:43.360] Jake.
[01:04:43.360 -> 01:04:47.760] Do you know what? Look at the people who achieve great things. Look at the struggles and the Damien. Jake. D'y gwybod beth? Edrych ar y bobl sy'n cyrraedd pethau da. Edrych ar y
[01:04:47.760 -> 01:04:52.640] strydau a'r broblemau a'r cwestiynau a'r cwestiynau a'r bydau'r ddwyieithiau
[01:04:52.640 -> 01:04:57.120] y maent wedi mynd i ac mae hyn yn y bobl sy'n gyrraedd y bwydau, yn gwneud pethau
[01:04:57.120 -> 01:05:00.560] nad oedd unrhyw un yn eu gwneud o'r blaen. Rwy'n credu mae'n bwysig iawn bod yn deall hynny.
[01:05:00.560 -> 01:05:05.600] Yn siŵr. Rwy'n credu bod un gwerth gyfr o'r llyfr o'r llyfr sy'n dod allan yn ein chat yno gyda Kate,
[01:05:05.600 -> 01:05:10.720] sy'n ymwneud â'r ywelwyr grit. Mae yna ymchwil ar hynny gan y dynol a'r angenwyr Angela Duckworth,
[01:05:10.720 -> 01:05:16.800] y psycholog, sydd wedi gwneud ymchwil ar gyfer ymgyrchu ar West Point Academy gyda soldiers Amerigain
[01:05:16.800 -> 01:05:21.360] sy'n mynd drwy'r ymgyrchu, ac roedd yn rhoi'r cwestiynau iddo, sy'n ymwneud â'r pethau glas,
[01:05:21.360 -> 01:05:27.520] y pethau nad yw'n ei weld, y pethau yn y ffyrdd, sut yn ymdrech, y byddant yn ymdrech.
[01:05:27.520 -> 01:05:30.240] Roedd yna lawer o argyfwngau, y rhai sy'n cael eu hystyried
[01:05:30.240 -> 01:05:33.280] gyda hynny oedd y rhai sy'n mwy eithaf eich gwneud ymdrech,
[01:05:33.280 -> 01:05:36.560] ac yn ysbyty, a'u cymryd. Ac rwy'n credu
[01:05:36.560 -> 01:05:39.840] mae llawer o'n cyflogwyr fawr yn siarad am gryd, efallai nad ydyn nhw'n defnyddio'r
[01:05:39.840 -> 01:05:42.880] ffrasiwn honno, ond mae'n beth y gallwn ei ddatblygu,
[01:05:42.880 -> 01:05:46.000] gallwn ni wella, ac felly rho rhoi ein cyfleoedd fwyaf
[01:05:46.000 -> 01:05:48.000] o ddarparu ein ambysiyniau ein hunain.
[01:05:48.000 -> 01:05:51.000] A dwi hefyd wedi deimlo wrth fy mod i'n siarad â hwnnw,
[01:05:51.000 -> 01:05:54.000] mae'n bwysig iawn i gael ymwneud â gofyn cwestiynau eich hunain,
[01:05:54.000 -> 01:05:57.000] er mwyn i'r cwestiynau hynny fod yn anodd iawn i'w gofyn
[01:05:57.000 -> 01:05:59.000] a'n anodd iawn i'w gysylltu hefyd,
[01:05:59.000 -> 01:06:04.000] oherwydd rwy'n credu yw hynny'n yr hyn sy'n eich gyrraedd i chi i'r lle y mae hi ar hyn o bryd.
[01:06:04.000 -> 01:06:08.520] Rwy'n ymddangos yma, oherwydd dydw i ddim yn gwybod ei hun yn benodol,
[01:06:08.520 -> 01:06:10.880] ond o'r sgwrs hwnnw, rwy'n credu ei fod yn lle da,
[01:06:10.880 -> 01:06:14.920] ond mae'n gwaith yn ymdrech i sicrhau ei fod yn lle da,
[01:06:14.920 -> 01:06:19.080] sy'n yr un peth ar gyfer pobl sy'n mynd drwy'r stryd, nid oes?
[01:06:19.080 -> 01:06:20.040] Ie, yn amlwg.
[01:06:20.040 -> 01:06:22.920] Rwy'n credu, eto, rwy'n credu mai dyna'r pwynt sy'n ei wneud, Jake,
[01:06:22.920 -> 01:06:28.080] o ran gweld ym hun, gofyn eich hun, ydw i'n hapus gyda lle rydw i, beth rydw i'n ei wneud
[01:06:28.080 -> 01:06:32.240] a sut rydw i'n mynd i'w wneud. Dwy gwestiynau gwirioneddol iawn,
[01:06:32.240 -> 01:06:37.360] ond yna os ymddangos y cyfrifiad fel nid, eto, fel y dweud Cate, dyna'r ffordd,
[01:06:37.360 -> 01:06:40.800] wel, beth y rhaid i mi, beth y rhaid i mi gael arferion, beth y rhaid i mi wneud yn wahanol
[01:06:40.800 -> 01:06:45.280] sy'n rhoi'n lle'n well i mi, ac yn gofyn y cwestiynau hynny, fel y dweud, nid yw'n
[01:06:45.280 -> 01:06:47.280] bob amser yn hyfryd, ond mae'n iechyd.
[01:06:47.280 -> 01:06:51.280] Ac rwy'n credu y bydd y rhan fwyaf o'r teimlad o'r rhan fwyaf o'r rhan hwnnw yw,
[01:06:51.280 -> 01:06:54.880] cydnabod y byddwch chi'n mynd i drwy amserau anodd, cydnabod eu bod yn eu
[01:06:54.880 -> 01:07:00.480] ffordd, oherwydd rwy'n credu, i roi'r sgwrs i chi yw'r hyn sy'n eich gael i chi drwy.
[01:07:00.480 -> 01:07:03.520] Ac yna pan ddod i'r ddrwy'r arall, rwy'n credu, mae Kate yn siarad gyda'r ffordd o glir nawr.
[01:07:03.520 -> 01:07:06.100] Mae'r stori hwnnw a ddweud am y bobl ifanc yn dod i mewn a'i gofyn eu cymhwysterau yn y what gets you through. And then when you come through the other side, I mean, Kate talks with such clarity now, that story she told about a young athlete coming in and
[01:07:06.200 -> 01:07:10.000] questioning her efforts in the gym and having to really
[01:07:10.000 -> 01:07:13.200] kind of control herself to deal with that properly,
[01:07:13.200 -> 01:07:16.900] is an example of someone who clearly is emotionally
[01:07:17.200 -> 01:07:18.100] connected to herself.
[01:07:18.100 -> 01:07:20.100] She's got bags of emotional intelligence,
[01:07:20.100 -> 01:07:21.900] but she was almost hiding that,
[01:07:21.900 -> 01:07:24.200] wasn't she, behind the facade of having to be a captain
[01:07:24.200 -> 01:07:27.920] and by the sounds of it, quite a tough captain earlier in her captaincy. ond roedd hi'n eithaf yn ymwneud â hyn, oes hi ddim yn y ffasâd o gael i fod yn captain, ac ar y sain o'r ffaith bod yn captain anodd yn ychydig yn eir captainiaeth,
[01:07:27.920 -> 01:07:32.000] yw'r hyn sydd wedi'i wneud i sicrhau'n ei gyd, rwy'n meddwl.
[01:07:32.000 -> 01:07:35.920] Ie, ac eto, mae'n ddiddorol ei fod wedi'i ymdrechu, y gwaith o Ben A Brown,
[01:07:35.920 -> 01:07:41.120] y sociologaidd a'r ymchwil ar hyn, sy'n siarad mor gallanol ac yn ffodus o ran
[01:07:41.120 -> 01:07:46.000] ymdrech, y mwyaf y gallwn ni wneud ein hunain yn ymdrech, y mwyaf dynol yn ffodus i gysylltu â phobl eraill. Ac ar y chweithredaeth o'i hun, gyda'r tîm chwarae Cymru,
[01:07:46.000 -> 01:07:47.000] ac fel y captain,
[01:07:47.000 -> 01:07:49.000] roedd ei ddynioniaeth a'i decyniaeth
[01:07:49.000 -> 01:07:50.000] sy'n cynnwys ei hun,
[01:07:50.000 -> 01:07:52.000] nid yn y dyrwyr allweddol
[01:07:52.000 -> 01:07:55.000] y dywedodd eu bod nhw eisiau o'i hun.
[01:07:55.000 -> 01:07:56.000] Ac rwy'n credu
[01:07:56.000 -> 01:07:57.000] y mae'n rhaid i chi fod
[01:07:57.000 -> 01:07:58.000] mewn lle cyfartal
[01:07:58.000 -> 01:07:59.000] a lle cyfartal da
[01:07:59.000 -> 01:08:00.000] yn eich bywyd
[01:08:00.000 -> 01:08:01.000] i fod yn y gweithredaeth
[01:08:01.000 -> 01:08:02.000] y mae'n rhaid i chi fod.
[01:08:02.000 -> 01:08:03.000] Iawn,
[01:08:03.000 -> 01:08:04.000] a'r cyfartal a'r cyfartal
[01:08:04.000 -> 01:08:06.000] a'r cyfartal a'r cyfartal a'r cyfartal a'r cyfartal a'r cyfartal i ddod allan yn ymdrechion, a ddim yn y dyrfa anodd y dywedodd eu bod nhw eisiau o hynny.
[01:08:06.000 -> 01:08:08.000] Ac rwy'n credu y mae'n rhaid i chi fod
[01:08:08.000 -> 01:08:10.000] mewn lle cyfartal ac yn lle cyfartal da
[01:08:10.000 -> 01:08:12.000] yn eich bywyd i gael y cyfle i ddod ar y podcast
[01:08:12.000 -> 01:08:14.000] fel hwn ac i siarad yn y ffordd y gafodd ei wneud.
[01:08:14.000 -> 01:08:16.000] Dwi'n deall y deimlad
[01:08:16.000 -> 01:08:18.000] efallai pan oedd yn ymdrech, roedd e'n meddwl,
[01:08:18.000 -> 01:08:20.000] dyna'r peth, beth dwi'n ei wneud nawr?
[01:08:20.000 -> 01:08:22.000] Ond dwi'n deall y deimlad bod llawer
[01:08:22.000 -> 01:08:24.000] o'i stori sydd wedi'i gwrthdredu
[01:08:24.000 -> 01:08:25.640] ac mae'n hollbwysig iawn o bethau i'w chyfathrebu. Iawn, yn unol, fe wnaeth e sôn am to actually, there's a lot of her story that has yet to be written and it's quite exciting stuff ahead, you know? Yeah, definitely.
[01:08:25.640 -> 01:08:27.840] Again, you know, like she spoke about
[01:08:27.840 -> 01:08:30.120] one of her non-negotiables was this idea
[01:08:30.120 -> 01:08:33.280] of putting the team first and in her new language,
[01:08:33.280 -> 01:08:34.880] that's about putting society first,
[01:08:34.880 -> 01:08:36.320] caring about the world,
[01:08:36.320 -> 01:08:38.840] being a spokeswoman for injustice
[01:08:38.840 -> 01:08:40.800] and calling it out wherever it is.
[01:08:40.800 -> 01:08:42.920] I think that she's gonna make a big impact
[01:08:42.920 -> 01:08:44.880] in whatever she chooses to do next.
[01:08:44.560 -> 01:08:48.640] it is, I think that she's going to make a big impact in whatever she chooses to do next.
[01:08:54.240 -> 01:08:58.640] Wasn't Kate an absolute pleasure to hear from? And actually do me a favour, okay, just ping me a message on Instagram, you know where I am, at j.comfrey, I would love to know
[01:08:58.640 -> 01:09:02.800] your thoughts on what Kate had to say. I love getting feedback and I would love to, I'd love
[01:09:02.800 -> 01:09:08.120] to hear what you're saying. Hopefully, time perm permitting I'll ping you back a voice note which is what
[01:09:08.120 -> 01:09:11.800] I like to do to people that send me a message on Instagram so just let me know
[01:09:11.800 -> 01:09:14.820] what you thought of that really brilliant conversation with Kate and of
[01:09:14.820 -> 01:09:18.200] course thanks to the professor thanks to Damien for being brilliant as always
[01:09:18.200 -> 01:09:22.420] thanks to the whole team to Will to Hannah to Finn Ryan from rethink audio
[01:09:22.420 -> 01:09:28.240] to Kate for coming on the podcast and of course to all of you for sharing and talking about the podcast and yeah
[01:09:28.240 -> 01:09:32.000] you know people have to make an active decision to go and find high-performance
[01:09:32.000 -> 01:09:35.680] it's not just sitting there on the television screen at 7 o'clock on a
[01:09:35.680 -> 01:09:39.360] Friday night you know it's an effort and we really do appreciate you taking the
[01:09:39.360 -> 01:09:43.000] effort to find these podcasts and then to share them and to talk about them and
[01:09:43.000 -> 01:09:46.420] to what's happened to your friends and to put them on work emails and stuff.
[01:09:46.420 -> 01:09:47.780] So thank you very much indeed.
[01:09:48.020 -> 01:09:51.020] And if you would like more from the high performance podcast,
[01:09:51.060 -> 01:09:54.060] then go to our high performance, go to at liquid thinker,
[01:09:54.060 -> 01:09:59.060] go to at Jake Humphrey and check out the newly released cover for our book,
[01:09:59.280 -> 01:10:00.760] which we're really excited to share with you.
[01:10:00.760 -> 01:10:03.020] The book is out on the 9th of December.
[01:10:03.020 -> 01:10:05.100] The cover has just been released.
[01:10:05.100 -> 01:10:06.660] We're excited.
[01:10:06.660 -> 01:10:07.720] The book's brilliant.
[01:10:07.720 -> 01:10:09.060] I know you'll be excited too,
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[01:10:15.940 -> 01:10:17.780] in the description for this podcast.
[01:10:17.780 -> 01:10:19.700] And check out our new book,
[01:10:19.700 -> 01:10:21.380] and check out our new book,
[01:10:21.380 -> 01:10:24.860] Lessons from the Best on Becoming Your Best.
[01:10:24.860 -> 01:10:26.480] Right, that's it from me.
[01:10:26.480 -> 01:10:29.800] Thanks very much for enjoying this Olympic special with Kate Richardson-Walsh.
[01:10:29.800 -> 01:10:33.880] See you on Friday for a bite-sized episode and of course, another couple of brand new
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