E71 - Olympics Special #1 - Ian Thorpe

Ian Thorpe won five Olympic gold medals, the greatest total of any Australian. As his first Olympics approached, in Sydney, he had broken 10 world records - four of them in four days at the 1999 Pan Pacific titles. On the first night of Sydney 2000 he won the 400m freestyle, breaking his own word record, then combined with his team to inflict the United States’ first defeat ever in the 4 x 100m freestyle relay, setting another world record. 

At Athens 2004, Ian won the 200m freestyle - billed as “the race of the century” - against Dutchman Pieter van den Hoogenband and American Michael Phelps.

In April 2018, Ian was awarded an Order of Merit by the Australian Olympic Committee. 

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[00:51.920 -> 00:52.840] We're going to repay you by keeping these episodes and keeping the conversation going. Welcome to the very first
[00:56.520 -> 01:00.000] Olympics special from the high performance podcast
[01:03.540 -> 01:04.400] One of the things that I had to carry for myself
[01:06.400 -> 01:07.240] was the
[01:09.000 -> 01:14.120] Expectation but also Knowing I'd been able to do this in training gave me the reassurance
[01:14.720 -> 01:20.680] That I needed to stand up behind the blocks and actually own an arena
[01:20.900 -> 01:27.120] Which is what I did to the extent that the moment that it was announced
[01:27.120 -> 01:31.520] that, you know, this is this particular event, I walked out of the marshalling
[01:31.520 -> 01:37.520] area. I actually, you know, shoulders went back, I stood up straight up, I walked
[01:37.520 -> 01:41.240] out and I actually was, this is mine.
[01:41.240 -> 01:47.280] Yeah, so get ready to hear from one of the most fascinating Olympians that I've ever met.
[01:47.280 -> 01:49.120] I'm so pleased we can bring you this episode.
[01:49.120 -> 01:51.360] Before we get going though, as you know by now,
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[02:17.200 -> 02:20.020] He was one of my heroes growing up, Chris Boardman,
[02:20.020 -> 02:21.440] and I was so lucky to work with him
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[05:34.880 -> 05:38.920] sure you've heard that said many times about this guest and we know that what he achieved
[05:38.920 -> 05:44.760] over many years was remarkable, yet today we want to celebrate and explore how he achieved
[05:44.760 -> 05:47.680] it. How did he develop that elite mindset at a young age?
[05:47.680 -> 05:50.640] How did he deal with the expectation on a global stage?
[05:50.960 -> 05:55.800] How did he make the decision to retire at just 24 years of age and how did he
[05:55.800 -> 06:00.120] find purpose away from the pool? Please welcome to high performance,
[06:00.160 -> 06:01.920] Ian Thorpe. Ian, nice to have you with us.
[06:02.040 -> 06:03.720] How's it going? Good to see you.
[06:03.960 -> 06:06.640] So what is high performance?
[06:06.640 -> 06:14.960] Do you know what? I think it's around exceptionalism and accepting that as a mindset
[06:14.960 -> 06:22.320] of what you want to do, what you want to accomplish, and then actually living a lifestyle
[06:22.320 -> 06:25.400] that can deliver that. That's what I think it is
[06:25.400 -> 06:30.400] because sport does become a lifestyle for many people.
[06:30.400 -> 06:35.640] So how old were you then when you realised actually the commitment
[06:35.640 -> 06:37.800] required for exceptionalism?
[06:37.800 -> 06:42.000] That's a great question. I overheard my father
[06:42.000 -> 06:47.600] telling one of his best friends about my ability and what I could be.
[06:47.600 -> 06:51.600] And he's not the kind of person that would ever do that.
[06:51.600 -> 06:56.600] I think what's probably closest is he's like a Yorkshire man
[06:56.800 -> 06:58.920] but he's actually hardcore.
[06:58.920 -> 07:03.200] He's, you know, kind of that strong mindset
[07:03.200 -> 07:06.000] of what a man should be.
[07:06.480 -> 07:09.200] But I overheard him to one of his friends,
[07:09.720 -> 07:13.520] and he actually compared me to
[07:14.160 -> 07:17.760] what is Australia's greatest batsman.
[07:18.040 -> 07:21.680] And it was to explain to my grandfather
[07:21.960 -> 07:25.000] what level I was actually at in sport.
[07:25.520 -> 07:30.520] So it was the comparison and things like that,
[07:30.960 -> 07:33.560] but from him, I never expected it.
[07:33.560 -> 07:35.640] And how old were you then, Ian,
[07:35.640 -> 07:38.440] when you heard that conversation?
[07:38.440 -> 07:40.600] I was probably 13.
[07:40.600 -> 07:41.920] And what did it do to you?
[07:41.920 -> 07:44.120] Part of it, I actually didn't know.
[07:44.120 -> 07:51.800] I didn't know how to respond to this because, you know, for me, for looking at my family's
[07:51.800 -> 07:55.800] history, you know, my family played cricket.
[07:55.800 -> 08:03.320] So the comparison itself, it almost felt as though it was too much, even though it may
[08:03.320 -> 08:08.560] have been accurate, I considered at the time
[08:08.560 -> 08:12.560] that I was just a talented young athlete
[08:12.560 -> 08:16.640] and there was plenty of talented young athletes
[08:16.640 -> 08:19.060] that existed before myself.
[08:19.060 -> 08:22.360] And at that particular time,
[08:22.360 -> 08:25.000] I felt as though there's too many
[08:25.600 -> 08:29.520] of those athletes that actually don't progress on.
[08:29.520 -> 08:30.960] And that's how I felt.
[08:30.960 -> 08:34.840] I thought I was just a childhood star.
[08:34.840 -> 08:37.640] Ian, can I ask you about the role of your dad then?
[08:37.640 -> 08:40.280] Because that's a fascinating story that you just shared.
[08:40.280 -> 08:44.320] And I'm interested in the support from your parents
[08:44.320 -> 08:47.640] that I know your dad had been a promising cricketer himself,
[08:47.640 -> 08:51.520] but his own experiences led him to emphasize
[08:51.520 -> 08:53.760] the importance of fun when it came to you
[08:53.760 -> 08:56.760] and your sister participating in sports.
[08:56.760 -> 08:58.080] Good research.
[08:58.080 -> 09:00.360] When cricket players speak to me,
[09:00.360 -> 09:03.000] they speak to me about my father.
[09:03.000 -> 09:11.040] He was an exceptional cricket player at the local level that gave up his career.
[09:11.400 -> 09:19.800] And it was partly due to my, my grandfather, that there was a lot of pressure on him.
[09:20.460 -> 09:26.000] And I shouldn't speak ill because I don't feel that way for my grandfather,
[09:26.000 -> 09:32.400] but it contributed to my father, you know, removing himself from cricket.
[09:32.400 -> 09:38.400] He was, you know, 18 or 19, I believe, when he stopped playing.
[09:38.400 -> 09:42.800] And it was a disappointment for a lot of people.
[09:42.800 -> 09:48.200] I ended up going with my mother and my sister
[09:48.800 -> 09:53.240] and actually watching him play cricket later in his life.
[09:53.240 -> 09:55.860] He was gifted everything,
[09:55.860 -> 09:58.860] basically just to be back on the pitch.
[09:58.860 -> 10:00.800] He was originally the coach,
[10:00.800 -> 10:04.040] but the top cricket players, you know,
[10:04.040 -> 10:07.760] all donated, you know, everything to him just
[10:07.760 -> 10:09.400] to see him play again.
[10:09.400 -> 10:18.880] I believe he still may hold some of the records for what happened in what would be the equivalent
[10:18.880 -> 10:27.880] of County cricket, but he wouldn't speak to me about that. It's one of those things that goes unspoken
[10:27.880 -> 10:30.840] and I have a level of respect for that.
[10:30.840 -> 10:35.840] And he would be embarrassed if I was to, you know,
[10:36.040 -> 10:39.960] resort to speaking about it, which I'm doing right now.
[10:39.960 -> 10:43.400] But how do you feel that his experiences influenced
[10:43.400 -> 10:46.200] the way that he chose to parent you
[10:46.200 -> 10:47.600] when he obviously recognized
[10:47.600 -> 10:50.440] that you had a level of exceptional talent?
[10:50.440 -> 10:52.240] Like what tips or advice,
[10:52.240 -> 10:54.720] when you reflect on his parenting style,
[10:54.720 -> 10:56.040] do you think helped you?
[10:56.040 -> 10:58.080] No, my parents were exceptional
[10:58.080 -> 11:02.440] in terms of what is appropriate
[11:02.440 -> 11:06.160] for someone that is a talented young athlete,
[11:06.160 -> 11:09.200] what to do and what not to do.
[11:09.200 -> 11:12.880] My sister, who also made the national team,
[11:12.880 -> 11:16.280] all we had to do, no matter what we took up,
[11:16.280 -> 11:19.200] was we had to do a season.
[11:19.200 -> 11:22.280] So, you know, for me, I played football.
[11:22.280 -> 11:23.840] I also swum.
[11:23.840 -> 11:28.880] But the commitment that I had was to a season
[11:28.880 -> 11:31.080] of that particular sport.
[11:32.400 -> 11:35.040] And at the end of that season,
[11:35.040 -> 11:39.280] it was up to us whether or not we wanted to continue it
[11:39.280 -> 11:42.960] or if we didn't want to do it anymore.
[11:42.960 -> 11:50.600] The other thing was for me, I used to get up at 417 in the morning and it was up to
[11:50.600 -> 11:54.000] me to actually wake my parents.
[11:54.400 -> 12:01.600] And so you see that there's a bit of balance to what you're doing rather than a parent
[12:01.600 -> 12:03.240] that wakes up the child.
[12:03.480 -> 12:07.360] It may be that my parents didn't want to get up. But this
[12:07.360 -> 12:14.640] is the balance that for all kids that they should actually have, is it's on them. It's not on their
[12:14.640 -> 12:28.200] parents. If the parents are pushing a kid to wake up at 4.17, it's probably too much. They can encourage, but I don't think that they should set the alarm clock.
[12:28.200 -> 12:30.400] So at the end of each season,
[12:30.400 -> 12:33.220] when you were given the choice to carry on or stop,
[12:33.220 -> 12:34.680] was there any pressure from your parents?
[12:34.680 -> 12:36.200] Because as a parent myself,
[12:36.200 -> 12:37.860] if my daughter wants to stop something,
[12:37.860 -> 12:39.880] straight on, I'm like, but you're really good,
[12:39.880 -> 12:42.280] but you've given up all this time.
[12:42.280 -> 12:49.300] How did they not apply almost subconscious pressure to you to carry on and put their own will on you?
[12:49.300 -> 12:53.500] I actually believe my parents tried to hold me back.
[12:53.500 -> 12:55.300] Really? Why was that?
[12:55.300 -> 12:57.600] They thought I was growing up too fast.
[12:57.600 -> 13:06.720] So when I was 13, my parents actually made me take a couple of months, I believe it was,
[13:08.160 -> 13:17.120] off swimming. And it was to make sure that I actually had some of those friendships and
[13:17.120 -> 13:23.680] things like that. I actually hung out with my friends who didn't swim during that year.
[13:24.320 -> 13:29.200] with my friends who didn't swim during that year. The reverse actually happened to that resolution
[13:29.200 -> 13:32.000] of how I was progressing.
[13:32.000 -> 13:35.160] So when I was 14, I made the national team.
[13:35.160 -> 13:40.160] Before that, I qualified for an Olympic final.
[13:41.720 -> 13:48.720] But it was my family's way of kind of preventing me to be as successful
[13:48.720 -> 13:51.520] and make sure that I actually had a childhood.
[13:51.520 -> 13:54.680] So we're recording this in the morning UK time
[13:54.680 -> 13:56.200] because you're in Australia, we're in the UK.
[13:56.200 -> 13:58.240] So we started about 8 a.m.
[13:58.240 -> 14:00.200] At quarter to eight, I was busy trying to get my daughter
[14:00.200 -> 14:01.840] to get out of bed 10 minutes
[14:01.840 -> 14:03.840] before we should leave the house, right?
[14:03.840 -> 14:07.680] So she's eight years old, you were a little bit older than that. What I'm trying to
[14:07.680 -> 14:12.440] understand though is where your passion and your drive and your will came from
[14:12.440 -> 14:17.000] at that age to set your alarm for 4.17 when most kids are like my daughter,
[14:17.000 -> 14:19.560] three and a half hours later you're still having to drag them out of bed.
[14:19.560 -> 14:21.760] Where did this come from? What was the driver?
[14:21.760 -> 14:23.120] I used to do that as well.
[14:23.120 -> 14:28.000] Good. I used to wake up very early and I
[14:28.000 -> 14:36.400] was watching cartoons. So my sister was going to swimming training and I'd wake up, I'd watch
[14:36.400 -> 14:48.040] some cartoons. That was kind of my thing that I do. So I relate to your daughter probably better than I could relate to someone that is so
[14:48.040 -> 14:52.280] passionate about what they do in the morning.
[14:52.280 -> 14:59.100] And I also have to say, when I was eight years old, I did not train in the mornings.
[14:59.100 -> 15:07.240] I was an athlete that was told by my parents, look, if you train once or twice a week,
[15:07.240 -> 15:09.600] you can probably compete at these.
[15:09.600 -> 15:14.600] And I took note and I stopped doing athletics at that time.
[15:14.920 -> 15:16.640] And I actually started to do
[15:16.640 -> 15:19.480] one or two swimming sessions per week.
[15:19.480 -> 15:22.120] Then it gradually built.
[15:22.120 -> 15:26.240] So I started swimming when I was eight. There's a lot of
[15:26.240 -> 15:31.400] swimmers that actually started earlier than that. So Ian, it sounds like your
[15:31.400 -> 15:37.200] parents had quite a farsighted attitude towards your development and not putting
[15:37.200 -> 15:42.280] undue pressure on you. I'm interested though that when you started to swim for
[15:42.280 -> 15:46.500] the national team, did other people treat you as a 14 year old
[15:46.500 -> 15:50.020] or were you treated more in adult terms?
[15:50.020 -> 15:51.080] No, never.
[15:51.080 -> 15:55.480] So I think my parents, if we look at the balance,
[15:55.480 -> 15:58.080] I think they got it right for me.
[15:58.080 -> 16:03.080] And I actually encourage other parents to do the same thing.
[16:03.980 -> 16:08.060] For me, when I was 14 on the national team,
[16:08.060 -> 16:10.880] I was heading to Japan.
[16:11.960 -> 16:15.940] My first trip that I made was when I was 12
[16:15.940 -> 16:18.280] and it was to New Zealand.
[16:18.280 -> 16:20.420] But when I was a 14 year old,
[16:20.420 -> 16:24.480] I wasn't treated any differently to anyone else.
[16:24.480 -> 16:29.000] One of my teammates that I had was asked by my sister,
[16:29.000 -> 16:32.000] do you mind looking after him?
[16:32.000 -> 16:37.000] And his response was, he's bigger than me.
[16:37.000 -> 16:40.000] Maybe he should look after me on the team.
[16:40.000 -> 16:46.000] And I don't believe that I was ever treated differently to anyone else.
[16:46.000 -> 16:51.880] I know at the Sydney Olympics, I was actually the one that was dictating what should happen
[16:51.880 -> 16:58.520] around competition and warming up and things like that with the rest of the team.
[16:58.520 -> 17:03.640] It was actually me that I was delegating to other people.
[17:03.640 -> 17:06.480] And even then you would only have been 18, is that right?
[17:06.480 -> 17:07.320] 17.
[17:07.320 -> 17:10.360] Can we talk at that stage then, 17, 18,
[17:10.360 -> 17:11.880] a lot of people are just going out,
[17:11.880 -> 17:13.360] finding their way through life,
[17:13.360 -> 17:15.880] maybe a nightclub here and there, off to university.
[17:15.880 -> 17:19.440] You're carrying the weight of expectation of a nation,
[17:19.440 -> 17:20.320] and more than one nation,
[17:20.320 -> 17:23.960] because you were hugely popular in other countries as well.
[17:23.960 -> 17:26.580] How did you, and did you learn to live
[17:26.580 -> 17:29.140] with that level of expectation?
[17:29.140 -> 17:31.300] Partly, not at all.
[17:31.300 -> 17:36.300] I made a decision, which was I refused
[17:36.380 -> 17:38.900] to actually read anything about myself.
[17:38.900 -> 17:43.460] Avoid, you know, what's reported on TV,
[17:43.460 -> 17:45.240] those kinds of things.
[17:46.040 -> 17:46.280] What led to that?
[17:52.000 -> 17:54.720] I think I decided that it was better for me leading into the Sydney Olympics. And then I carried it on beyond that.
[17:54.880 -> 17:59.520] And I believe that anyone, you either read everything about
[17:59.520 -> 18:01.280] yourself or you read nothing.
[18:01.520 -> 18:05.840] And the same, you watch everything or you watch nothing.
[18:05.840 -> 18:09.360] But I also know I tried to avoid it
[18:09.360 -> 18:11.280] during the Sydney Olympics,
[18:11.280 -> 18:15.880] and there was a front page of the paper,
[18:15.880 -> 18:19.560] which we drove past in the bus on the way
[18:19.560 -> 18:23.580] to actually get to the swimming center.
[18:23.580 -> 18:31.280] And I believe, and I may be wrong, but I think it was 7-12 that was actually written, which
[18:31.280 -> 18:35.840] was the time that I was up against my biggest competitor.
[18:35.840 -> 18:40.080] And it was three days into the Olympic Games.
[18:40.080 -> 18:42.880] And even though I tried, it was still there.
[18:42.880 -> 18:45.800] So what help and support did you get then
[18:45.800 -> 18:48.600] to deal with some of these emotional
[18:48.600 -> 18:50.180] and psychological challenges?
[18:50.180 -> 18:52.880] So physically, your talent spoke for itself,
[18:52.880 -> 18:56.640] but as a young boy that was trying to catch up
[18:56.640 -> 18:59.660] with your talent in many ways, psychologically,
[18:59.660 -> 19:01.400] what support did you get, Ian?
[19:01.400 -> 19:02.720] Great question.
[19:02.720 -> 19:04.180] It was very little.
[19:04.180 -> 19:12.160] And I actually don't know how anyone could do a better job of what they did at that time.
[19:12.160 -> 19:15.560] I'm commanding the attention.
[19:15.560 -> 19:20.120] I'm the one that is front and center.
[19:20.120 -> 19:26.760] And you know, from that, no one would have realised that I actually struggled at times.
[19:26.760 -> 19:32.280] They wouldn't know from anything that was observed from the outside.
[19:32.280 -> 19:39.560] So most of the people within the Australian Swim Team would have just looked at me as
[19:39.560 -> 19:43.240] the person that's leading, rather than struggling at times.
[19:43.240 -> 19:46.400] I want to talk to you about the role of a psychologist, if there was one, within the
[19:46.400 -> 19:52.280] team and how he was perceived, how the athletes perceived him and whether it was seen as a
[19:52.280 -> 19:54.080] strength or a weakness to talk.
[19:54.080 -> 20:02.720] We did have a psychologist that was in the team and his role actually changed and I actually
[20:02.720 -> 20:05.160] think he was a really decent person.
[20:10.320 -> 20:10.920] For myself, I rarely went to see the psychologist.
[20:14.120 -> 20:14.680] I went in for a pep talk and that was it.
[20:15.760 -> 20:16.160] That's all I needed.
[20:22.920 -> 20:28.040] He ended up probably being someone that helped the coaches and some of the supports done more significantly than the athletes.
[20:28.040 -> 20:36.720] And my personal opinion is that we shouldn't have sports psychologists, we should actually
[20:36.720 -> 20:39.080] just have psychologists.
[20:39.080 -> 20:40.080] That's it.
[20:40.080 -> 20:45.380] I don't think there's particularly a specialty that comes with that.
[20:45.380 -> 20:50.380] And I also think that athletes should be more well-rounded.
[20:50.880 -> 20:55.880] And that's why I say that we should just have psychologists,
[20:56.440 -> 20:58.180] not specialised.
[20:58.180 -> 21:01.380] So who was giving you the advice and support
[21:01.380 -> 21:04.680] that you said people on the outside
[21:04.680 -> 21:05.920] wouldn't have been able to see
[21:05.920 -> 21:13.360] that you were struggling. Who did see that? So in the lead up to Sydney, you know, I was mostly okay.
[21:13.360 -> 21:29.320] So as, you know, a teenager, I was actually okay during that period. When I hit my 20s or my late teen years, that's when I had a more significant problem.
[21:29.320 -> 21:36.760] You know, I'm someone that's out, you know, I had depression and I'm not pleased that
[21:36.760 -> 21:46.960] I can say it, but I'm out there that I'm someone that from, you know, the late teenage years that's actually dealt with that.
[21:46.960 -> 21:54.640] And when I look at the four years, because all athletes look at, all Olympic athletes look at
[21:54.640 -> 22:06.000] quadrenniums, we look at four years. And I look at 2000 to 2004, which for me, there's some parts of it that were tumultuous.
[22:06.400 -> 22:12.640] I trained with a coach that I was with since I was a child.
[22:12.760 -> 22:17.800] And then I actually changed over to who was my assistant coach.
[22:17.840 -> 22:27.600] I was significantly criticized, and I think mostly based on her gender. I was criticized for that. I
[22:27.600 -> 22:38.960] went in in 2002 leading up to the 2004 Olympics. I broke board records. I won the
[22:38.960 -> 22:43.840] 200 and 400 freestyle but even that was not enough.
[22:43.840 -> 22:45.680] That was quite a brave move though,
[22:45.680 -> 22:47.840] when you left Doug Frost as your coach
[22:47.840 -> 22:49.960] and went to your assistant coach,
[22:49.960 -> 22:52.040] what was it that prompted that?
[22:52.040 -> 22:56.560] My assistant coach doing more than my coach at the time.
[22:56.560 -> 23:01.560] I don't want to speak ill because of, you know,
[23:01.640 -> 23:06.000] the performance side of what I've been able to do with my coach,
[23:06.720 -> 23:17.200] which is Doug Frost, previous to Tracy. And it was Tracy that was actually taking the times,
[23:17.200 -> 23:23.280] doing the work that I actually believe a coach should have been doing. She was doing more work.
[23:23.280 -> 23:27.440] But what interests me though, Ian, was that it would have been easy just to
[23:27.440 -> 23:31.040] have kept on doing the same thing because you must have known that you would
[23:31.040 -> 23:35.480] attract criticism for choosing to leave a coach.
[23:35.480 -> 23:35.760] So.
[23:35.960 -> 23:38.040] No, I didn't at the time.
[23:38.360 -> 23:41.640] So it would have been simpler.
[23:41.800 -> 23:46.760] I agree with that, but it would have been preferred if I went with
[23:46.760 -> 23:53.880] the establishment in coaching. So it would have been easier if I picked a coach, you
[23:53.880 -> 24:00.240] know, and I have to say all men within that group, that's what it would have been appropriate
[24:00.240 -> 24:01.240] at that time.
[24:01.240 -> 24:07.480] I was reading as well, just around this coaching relationship, that there was quite an interesting clash of styles
[24:07.480 -> 24:10.720] that appeared from reading reports of that period,
[24:10.720 -> 24:12.740] that your original coach used to speak
[24:12.740 -> 24:14.400] about beating competitors,
[24:14.400 -> 24:17.840] and you seem to be more focused on beating yourself,
[24:17.840 -> 24:19.520] beating your own times.
[24:19.520 -> 24:20.640] Would you explain a little bit
[24:20.640 -> 24:23.520] about those two different outlooks?
[24:23.520 -> 24:27.520] Yeah, that was never my strategy at all. I was
[24:27.520 -> 24:37.040] all about what can I do in the pool and how can I actually be better at what I do. And my coach
[24:37.040 -> 24:46.000] mostly would have been supportive of that at that time. But when I made the decision that I was actually leaving that coach, it
[24:46.000 -> 24:52.600] was reinforced to me at the Commonwealth Games in Manchester in 2002.
[24:52.600 -> 25:00.440] And my coach began to speak about one of my competitors' strategy in that race.
[25:00.440 -> 25:05.000] And I frankly said to them, if that's your opinion,
[25:06.680 -> 25:09.360] perhaps you should coach that.
[25:09.360 -> 25:13.280] I then went on to break a world record,
[25:13.280 -> 25:16.320] which I still regret.
[25:16.320 -> 25:19.760] Well, actually I love that I have that world record,
[25:19.760 -> 25:23.320] but I actually regret part of my performance
[25:23.320 -> 25:30.280] because I swam faster than what I actually expected.
[25:30.280 -> 25:33.200] And I actually did it really easily.
[25:33.200 -> 25:40.400] And I know that's a horrible thing to say and a bit of a deep comment, but I did feel
[25:40.400 -> 25:54.640] that way. The reason I feel that way is I swam 340.09 or 08, I can't remember, but it was just above
[25:54.640 -> 25:56.720] three minutes 40.
[25:56.720 -> 26:01.720] And I actually never felt so good in water since then.
[26:01.720 -> 26:08.480] So I would have swum under 340 if I actually tried during that race.
[26:08.480 -> 26:13.160] So didn't you reflect on that and think, wow, my coach is amazing. They said
[26:13.160 -> 26:16.200] something that got me so fired up I smashed the world record and found it easy.
[26:16.200 -> 26:22.840] No, I wasn't fired up. I was actually, I was correcting him.
[26:22.840 -> 26:26.400] But that worked though? cause that, no,
[26:26.960 -> 26:30.160] that's still, no, it wasn't that it really wasn't.
[26:30.240 -> 26:33.920] I was correcting him, um, in what I was doing.
[26:34.480 -> 26:40.120] I don't get fired up by people being angry or, you know,
[26:40.120 -> 26:41.840] suggesting to do something.
[26:42.360 -> 26:46.000] I actually, I don't need to be fired up.
[26:46.000 -> 26:49.400] I need to be as relaxed as possible
[26:49.400 -> 26:51.160] to get the best out of myself.
[26:51.160 -> 26:51.980] Interesting.
[26:51.980 -> 26:56.200] I just think it just takes bravery and real self-belief
[26:56.200 -> 26:58.640] to, it's easy to get rid of a coach when you're losing
[26:58.640 -> 27:00.520] and you're suddenly finishing fourth in finals
[27:00.520 -> 27:02.240] and the medals have dried up.
[27:02.240 -> 27:03.260] It's very different, isn't it?
[27:03.260 -> 27:05.960] To change your coach when you're still breaking world records, still
[27:06.000 -> 27:07.720] number one, still dominating.
[27:08.040 -> 27:08.600] It is.
[27:08.600 -> 27:11.320] And it came as a shock to him as well.
[27:11.400 -> 27:18.760] And, you know, I've reconciled with him, you know, kind of post splitting up and
[27:18.840 -> 27:24.120] he kind of validated, you know, what was an amazing part of my life.
[27:24.240 -> 27:26.880] He actually said it was one of the best parts of his life.
[27:26.880 -> 27:30.560] And I can appreciate that.
[27:30.560 -> 27:35.840] And it's the same reason that if I see him, I actually give him a hug.
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[30:50.600 -> 30:56.520] We talk often on this podcast Ian about something called 100% responsibility, which is you taking
[30:56.520 -> 31:00.840] responsibility for everything in your life, even the things that are not actually your
[31:00.840 -> 31:06.440] responsibility, things that are outside of your control, but if you don't take responsibility, you're giving up that control.
[31:06.440 -> 31:11.440] So can we talk about attention to detail and control
[31:11.440 -> 31:13.080] and doing everything at that time
[31:13.080 -> 31:14.640] to be a successful swimmer?
[31:14.640 -> 31:17.760] I'd really love to dive into just how deep
[31:17.760 -> 31:19.540] those processes were to get yourself
[31:19.540 -> 31:21.320] to the precipice of the world.
[31:21.320 -> 31:30.400] The one thing that I think separated me from others was my attention to detail.
[31:30.400 -> 31:40.760] I perfected my stroke and when I was, I think 11, I think I did it and it was to make it
[31:40.760 -> 31:47.960] easier to actually be able to swim, it was before national championships as a
[31:47.960 -> 31:49.560] child.
[31:49.560 -> 31:55.640] And I swam a lap and it was faster than what I'd swum before.
[31:55.640 -> 31:57.000] And I didn't even try.
[31:57.000 -> 31:59.960] I actually just lengthened my stroke.
[31:59.960 -> 32:07.360] So all of a sudden I went, oh, if I lengthen my stroke and I actually kick together, I'll
[32:07.360 -> 32:08.920] probably be faster.
[32:08.920 -> 32:12.240] So after a couple of laps, I did that.
[32:12.240 -> 32:14.600] So it was with my junior coach.
[32:14.600 -> 32:31.360] So then for me, I tried to be a professor of my stroke and what I could do around efficiency. The training model in Australia was basically you break down an athlete,
[32:31.360 -> 32:34.920] and we did 80 kilometers away.
[32:34.920 -> 32:36.280] My record, I think,
[32:36.280 -> 32:40.560] was 120 kilometers or something like that at altitude,
[32:40.560 -> 32:43.960] but basically you break down that athlete,
[32:43.960 -> 32:45.760] so where they fail and then you
[32:45.760 -> 32:53.380] bring them back up. I refused to fail and it came through efficiency in what I
[32:53.380 -> 32:59.120] could do with my stroke. If any coach told me to do this I'd actually make
[32:59.120 -> 33:04.960] sure that I lengthen my stroke so I could make sure that I actually finished
[33:04.960 -> 33:05.720] on the wall
[33:05.720 -> 33:07.560] when I was supposed to.
[33:07.560 -> 33:09.720] Wow, I love that attention to detail.
[33:09.720 -> 33:14.340] So were you doing always more than everybody else?
[33:14.340 -> 33:17.180] And if you were, did you start every race
[33:17.180 -> 33:18.520] knowing that your superpower was
[33:18.520 -> 33:20.240] that you were totally well-prepared
[33:20.240 -> 33:21.440] and you had no doubts?
[33:21.440 -> 33:22.920] Wonderful question.
[33:22.920 -> 33:29.840] So yes, mostly. So from when I was probably 14 or 15,
[33:30.480 -> 33:39.200] I was doing more laps than anyone else. And then as I got older, I was doing even more laps than
[33:39.200 -> 33:48.000] someone else. One of the things that I had to carry for myself was the expectation,
[33:48.000 -> 33:53.000] but also knowing I'd been able to do this in training
[33:53.000 -> 33:56.000] gave me the reassurance that I needed
[33:56.000 -> 34:01.000] to stand up behind the blocks and actually own an arena,
[34:01.000 -> 34:03.000] which is what I did.
[34:03.000 -> 34:07.000] To the extent that the moment that it was announced
[34:07.000 -> 34:09.920] that, you know, this is this particular event,
[34:09.920 -> 34:12.160] I walked out of the marshalling area.
[34:12.160 -> 34:14.640] I actually, you know, shoulders went back.
[34:14.640 -> 34:16.840] I stood up straight up.
[34:16.840 -> 34:20.880] I walked out and I actually was, this is mine.
[34:20.880 -> 34:22.680] And I walk out with that.
[34:22.680 -> 34:28.720] I also made sure, and I didn't realize how intimidating this
[34:28.720 -> 34:32.180] was, but I made sure that I actually jumped out
[34:32.180 -> 34:35.600] of the pool after it without using the ladder.
[34:35.600 -> 34:41.900] And my competitors have since said how intimidating that is,
[34:41.900 -> 34:45.000] and I didn't realize really at the time.
[34:45.000 -> 34:52.000] But, you know, my competitors knew that I'd accomplished more lamps than what they ever
[34:52.000 -> 34:53.000] had.
[34:53.000 -> 35:01.880] The only time that I doubted this behind a block was the Athens Olympics in the 400 freestyle
[35:01.880 -> 35:08.240] because I hadn't done the first block of training that I would have
[35:08.240 -> 35:16.480] otherwise. And it was because I was disqualified at our trials. And for about eight weeks, I think,
[35:16.480 -> 35:26.040] I didn't know that I'd be swimming that event. So how did that doubt affect you in Athens, Ian? It was the most emotional race that I've ever swum.
[35:26.040 -> 35:31.040] And I, after it,
[35:31.440 -> 35:36.440] so the 400 freestyle, I had won since I was 15.
[35:36.840 -> 35:40.840] So after this race,
[35:40.840 -> 35:45.000] I'd won every competition that I'd raced this in.
[35:45.120 -> 35:50.120] And I walked out the back after doing an interview
[35:50.440 -> 35:53.180] with the media, I walked around,
[35:53.180 -> 35:56.320] I saw my coach, which is Tracy,
[35:56.320 -> 35:58.440] and I said to her,
[35:58.440 -> 36:02.600] I am never effing doing that race ever again.
[36:02.600 -> 36:04.560] And she said, do you know what?
[36:04.560 -> 36:07.100] Good news for you, you never have to do it.
[36:07.100 -> 36:10.160] And she said, let's get on with it,
[36:10.160 -> 36:12.520] which the 200 was coming up,
[36:12.520 -> 36:16.160] which was the race of the century, so to speak.
[36:16.160 -> 36:20.040] So it was my reaction to her
[36:20.040 -> 36:22.880] that she knew what I'd been through.
[36:22.880 -> 36:26.000] And it wasn't anything that was physical.
[36:26.000 -> 36:30.600] It was emotional for me because one of my mates
[36:30.600 -> 36:34.000] actually gave up a spot to swim.
[36:34.000 -> 36:37.680] And he could have won a medal in that race.
[36:37.680 -> 36:42.680] And I wasn't going to accept him giving up his place,
[36:43.700 -> 36:48.960] except for the reason that he gave me, which was
[36:48.960 -> 36:54.320] you don't realize what you do on the first night of competition that actually lifts the
[36:54.320 -> 36:55.320] team.
[36:55.320 -> 37:02.000] So I want you to swim that, which is probably the only reason that I swam that race.
[37:02.000 -> 37:09.600] And I'm grateful. He was my teammate and he was also my roommate during that competition.
[37:10.160 -> 37:17.640] So we have a photo, which is of us and he's got my gold medal around his neck.
[37:18.080 -> 37:23.600] So it's something that I don't think has ever been seen, but that's how I felt.
[37:24.000 -> 37:27.000] Do you know what I like about that is
[37:27.000 -> 37:28.500] how smart your mate was as well.
[37:28.500 -> 37:29.340] He was like, right,
[37:29.340 -> 37:31.360] I'm going to give up my place at the Olympics,
[37:31.360 -> 37:34.000] but I'm just going to make it absolutely crystal clear to you
[37:34.000 -> 37:35.880] that you better deliver on that first night
[37:35.880 -> 37:38.520] to make sure that it lifts the team.
[37:38.520 -> 37:40.600] No, that was, do you know what?
[37:40.600 -> 37:43.600] That was quite literally, that was the pressure.
[37:43.600 -> 37:47.920] I didn't have a choice. I had to win
[37:47.920 -> 37:55.680] and I went into the race thinking about it is there's no other way. I must win this race,
[37:55.680 -> 38:02.080] not only for my mate, but the country expected me to win. Different to what it would have been
[38:02.080 -> 38:08.000] in Sydney. I would have been a kid that was unprepared for the Olympics,
[38:08.000 -> 38:10.000] second Olympics, completely different.
[38:10.000 -> 38:17.000] And also there was tension at that stage to make sure that I did win.
[38:17.000 -> 38:22.000] You know, it was, again, expected that there were some negative
[38:22.000 -> 38:25.000] kind of comments around,
[38:25.360 -> 38:28.060] you know, whether I'm going to be fit enough,
[38:28.060 -> 38:31.120] all of those kind of things that come out.
[38:31.120 -> 38:35.020] And again, I had to win.
[38:35.020 -> 38:37.460] So can I ask you about motivation then, Ian?
[38:37.460 -> 38:42.380] Because to sustain the high performance you did for so long,
[38:42.380 -> 38:45.920] you've just described about you that nobody outworked you. And yet having seen swimmers training, it's brutally hard. y cyflawniad mawr y gafodd chi i'r amser hir, rydych chi wedi neud ysgrifennu ar eich bod chi ddim yn gweithio chi allan,
[38:45.920 -> 38:49.840] ac er mwyn gweld ymgeisyddion swyddi, mae'n anodd iawn.
[38:49.840 -> 38:51.840] Mae gennych chi'r gofyn i'ch gwrthwyneb i'r pwll
[38:51.840 -> 38:57.200] am 120 o gilometre o wythnos, fel ysgrifennwch chi.
[38:57.200 -> 38:57.760] Beth oedd...
[38:57.760 -> 38:59.200] Nid yn unig, ond ie.
[38:59.200 -> 39:00.560] Ie, wel, diolch,
[39:00.560 -> 39:02.400] ond roeddech chi'n gweithio allan
[39:02.400 -> 39:04.560] o ran eich cymdeithaswyr,
[39:04.560 -> 39:08.720] felly beth oedd yn ei hyrwyddo i chi i gael ymwneud â'r cyfnod Well, sorry, but you were outworking your competitors by some distance. So what was it that motivated you to keep going
[39:08.720 -> 39:10.640] for such a long period of time?
[39:10.640 -> 39:12.960] I just wanted to be better.
[39:12.960 -> 39:13.840] That's it.
[39:13.840 -> 39:16.440] It wasn't that I wanted to beat someone.
[39:16.440 -> 39:21.440] It was quite simply, I strived to be perfect in the water.
[39:23.600 -> 39:25.000] And I modified my stroke, everything that I did to be able in the water and I modified my stroke,
[39:26.400 -> 39:29.400] everything that I did to be able to achieve that.
[39:29.400 -> 39:31.480] And what happened when you felt
[39:31.480 -> 39:33.320] that you had achieved it then?
[39:33.320 -> 39:34.600] I still haven't.
[39:34.600 -> 39:38.000] But you famously walked away where you cited
[39:38.000 -> 39:41.600] that you almost felt that you'd lost that motivation
[39:41.600 -> 39:43.520] when you decided to retire first time.
[39:43.520 -> 39:47.600] So what was it that was missing or that disappeared
[39:47.600 -> 39:49.760] for you to come to that conclusion?
[39:49.760 -> 39:52.720] During that period, it was the context
[39:52.720 -> 39:56.200] of what swimming was for me that completely changed.
[39:57.200 -> 40:00.400] It was less about me swimming up and down a pool,
[40:00.400 -> 40:05.000] that it became responding to the media and things like that.
[40:06.040 -> 40:11.040] So for me, I was also, you know, I was paparazzi at home
[40:11.640 -> 40:16.640] and it just the context of my sport changed
[40:16.640 -> 40:19.600] where it never existed before.
[40:19.600 -> 40:24.200] I never thought that there was an athlete in swimming
[40:24.200 -> 40:26.680] that would have to go through that.
[40:26.680 -> 40:29.800] And so I'd never prepared for it.
[40:29.800 -> 40:37.720] And for me, as someone that's quite private, it became a struggle and it was more significant
[40:37.720 -> 40:40.600] than anything else that I could do in the book.
[40:40.600 -> 40:42.600] Where I decided that's it.
[40:42.600 -> 40:47.760] We spoke to Marcellino Sambaghi, y ddanswr cyfraith arbenigol ar gyfer y Ballet Cymreig.
[40:47.760 -> 40:53.360] Ac fe ddweud wrthym fod oedd ymddiriedolaeth yn bwysig i'w cyfrifoldeb cyhoeddiol,
[40:53.360 -> 40:56.560] y byddai dim ond gan ymdrechu'r un sydd mewn gwirionedd,
[40:56.560 -> 40:58.840] fe ddod allan yn oed yn ystod y byd ymdrechol,
[40:58.840 -> 41:03.120] a'i gadael iddyn nhw ddansio gyda'r ddynion gwirioneddol.
[41:03.120 -> 41:05.180] Nawr, ddod allan chi ddiweddarach yn ystod eich cymhwysod cymharol fel athlet allan, ond y cwestiwn rydw i'n golygu yw, to go and dance with real liberation. Now you came out after you'd finished competing
[41:05.180 -> 41:08.320] as an elite athlete, but the question I wonder is,
[41:08.320 -> 41:10.020] if you feel you'd have come out earlier,
[41:10.020 -> 41:12.300] do you feel that that would have improved
[41:12.300 -> 41:14.340] or enhanced your performance?
[41:14.340 -> 41:17.000] Look, there's parts of me that look back
[41:17.000 -> 41:20.720] and I wish that I actually could have come out.
[41:20.720 -> 41:49.160] I struggled with it and I continue to struggle just as I continue to come out in countries like Australia,
[41:50.660 -> 41:53.440] the UK, the US, most of Europe,
[41:53.440 -> 41:57.320] we actually have a complete acceptability
[41:57.320 -> 41:59.040] of people being gay.
[41:59.040 -> 42:03.000] I came from a conservative family,
[42:03.000 -> 42:06.840] and it's not an excuse in any way.
[42:06.840 -> 42:12.080] But I also came into a position where
[42:12.080 -> 42:14.960] it was expected for me to come out,
[42:14.960 -> 42:21.120] and I refused to actually allow any journalist that
[42:21.120 -> 42:24.080] asked me the question if I'm gay.
[42:24.080 -> 42:27.040] I refused to actually allow them
[42:27.040 -> 42:36.720] that. I was prepared to do something with someone that was considerate, but never someone
[42:36.720 -> 42:43.880] that was so trashy to ask a question like that. And it's a question that I don't think
[42:43.880 -> 42:47.200] anyone should ever ask anyone else.
[42:47.200 -> 42:50.040] But we, I still feel we have quite a way to go.
[42:50.040 -> 42:53.160] I'm friends with a professional footballer
[42:53.160 -> 42:55.080] who can't come out.
[42:55.080 -> 42:57.720] No current professional footballer in the UK anyway
[42:57.720 -> 43:00.680] has ever felt the ability to come out.
[43:00.680 -> 43:03.300] What do we still need to do to make people feel
[43:03.300 -> 43:04.520] that no matter what their job,
[43:04.520 -> 43:07.720] what part of the world they're existing in, like the part of the world obviously
[43:07.720 -> 43:10.280] is a big problem because there are some countries where you simply can't, but if
[43:10.280 -> 43:14.880] you are in Australia or you are in the UK, what can we say on here, if anything
[43:14.880 -> 43:19.740] at all, to give people the power or the confidence that it's okay to be
[43:19.740 -> 43:28.640] totally you? So firstly, even the question itself, and I know that you intend it with the best of intent,
[43:29.280 -> 43:38.080] it just shouldn't exist. People need their own time. I have been asked about this considerably.
[43:39.280 -> 43:45.000] I also get asked by kids on Instagram and things like that,
[43:45.120 -> 43:46.260] what do I do?
[43:46.260 -> 43:50.200] And they're in circumstances that are far more extreme
[43:50.200 -> 43:52.640] than what I actually went through.
[43:52.640 -> 43:57.520] And I can only give general advice to those kids.
[43:57.520 -> 44:00.840] I actually can't engage with them to say,
[44:00.840 -> 44:03.800] do you know what, you're going to be okay.
[44:03.800 -> 44:08.420] The first night and what I tell young people
[44:09.180 -> 44:12.580] when I have the platform is just make sure
[44:12.580 -> 44:15.140] that you actually have a safe place to go to
[44:15.140 -> 44:18.140] the first night, because you don't know
[44:18.140 -> 44:20.980] who will or won't support you.
[44:20.980 -> 44:23.420] And don't assume that the first people
[44:23.420 -> 44:25.200] that you come out to are your family.
[44:25.840 -> 44:33.200] You should actually have people on your side that are supporters. So they may be your friends or
[44:34.240 -> 44:41.040] someone else. That's what I think most young people should do when they come out. When it
[44:41.040 -> 44:46.200] comes to looking at professional football players, I'm shocked.
[44:46.200 -> 44:56.760] I'm surprised that there isn't a gay football player in the UK or in, you know, UEFA, wherever.
[44:56.760 -> 45:09.080] And I also, I don't understand it because I've spoken to multiple athletes and I've been writing a book which is almost finished,
[45:09.080 -> 45:11.480] which is, Had I Said Yes.
[45:11.480 -> 45:18.260] It was when I was asked by a journalist when I was 16 if I was gay.
[45:18.260 -> 45:28.160] Not appropriate and wrong, but I assume during this book, if I had come out, so I actually look at what the world
[45:28.160 -> 45:36.320] looked like at that time, there were countries that I would be training in that actually banned
[45:36.320 -> 45:44.960] homosexuality. So there's a lot that kind of comes up, but what I look at within this book is
[45:46.800 -> 45:53.600] that kind of comes up, but what I look at within this book is, you know, what it would have looked like for me, but I'd encourage people, you know, and do you know what athletes
[45:53.600 -> 46:02.200] people can text me or athletes that have access to me can actually say something and I can
[46:02.200 -> 46:08.180] tell them that all of those things and from speaking to athletes during this time,
[46:08.180 -> 46:12.000] we all have the same concerns and it's actually okay.
[46:12.000 -> 46:14.520] And I actually think it may be beneficial.
[46:14.520 -> 46:16.800] So Ian, touching on this topic,
[46:16.800 -> 46:20.640] I saw that documentary series that you did on bullying
[46:20.640 -> 46:22.960] that I thought was incredibly powerful
[46:22.960 -> 46:25.240] when it was originally released and linking that to high performance, a dweud y byddai'n anhygoel iawn pan ddechreuodd yn y blynyddoedd.
[46:25.240 -> 46:27.960] Ac yn ymwneud â hynny i gyfansoddiadau cyhoeddiol,
[46:27.960 -> 46:29.880] rwy'n credu bod pawb sy'n mynd ar ôl
[46:29.880 -> 46:31.960] yn ceisio ymdrechu ar gyfer gwybodaeth
[46:31.960 -> 46:34.080] neu'r holl beth y gallant ei wneud yn eu bywydau
[46:34.080 -> 46:36.960] yn ddiweddarach yn dod â'r syndrome o bobl ychydig
[46:36.960 -> 46:41.480] sy'n eisiau eu llwyr o'u gosod neu'u drosodd yn ôl i'r parc.
[46:41.480 -> 46:44.160] A allwch chi ddweud wrthym beth rydych chi'n dysgu am ymgyrchu,
[46:44.160 -> 46:46.120] os yw hynny o ran eich profiadau eich hun neu'r documentaeth hwnnw, drag them back into the park. Can you tell us what you learned about bullying, whether that's through your own experiences
[46:46.120 -> 46:48.800] or that documentary, that can help somebody
[46:48.800 -> 46:52.280] that maybe experiences some of those challenges?
[46:52.280 -> 46:54.600] I don't know if I was bullied.
[46:54.600 -> 46:59.600] I most definitely went through a difficult time in Australia.
[47:01.360 -> 47:07.720] I'm no longer bullied, if that actually helps out with answering the question.
[47:07.720 -> 47:10.800] But the reason I don't say that I was bullied,
[47:10.800 -> 47:15.920] I went through and I witnessed kids that it was shocking,
[47:15.920 -> 47:17.720] the way that they were bullied.
[47:17.720 -> 47:24.880] I had to watch footage, and it sounds ridiculous
[47:24.880 -> 47:27.520] that I'm concerned about footage
[47:27.520 -> 47:30.040] compared to what these kids went through.
[47:30.040 -> 47:32.840] I watched it for the first time with their parents
[47:32.840 -> 47:35.680] and these are kids that have,
[47:36.680 -> 47:41.400] one girl was actually pushed downstairs
[47:41.400 -> 47:43.560] and she has a disability.
[47:43.560 -> 47:47.660] She could have died from what was happening to her.
[47:47.660 -> 47:52.660] I also met a young man who he was pushed down to the ground
[47:53.480 -> 47:54.740] and was actually kicked.
[47:54.740 -> 47:57.700] And I watched it for the first time with their families
[47:57.700 -> 47:58.700] and it's horrible.
[47:58.700 -> 48:03.700] So compared to that, I can't compare myself to being bullied
[48:03.740 -> 48:05.600] because it wasn't physical.
[48:06.100 -> 48:10.800] Part of it may have been emotional, part of it may have come from the media.
[48:11.200 -> 48:17.000] So that's where I stand and I just expect better from everyone.
[48:17.500 -> 48:20.900] I think it's brilliant that you've used your platform since you stopped
[48:20.900 -> 48:27.660] swimming to share what you really think, to help other people, to take the world in the right direction.
[48:27.660 -> 48:29.600] I just want to talk briefly, if we can,
[48:29.600 -> 48:32.320] about how you coped though, when swimming ended.
[48:32.320 -> 48:34.000] We interviewed Johnny Wilkinson for this,
[48:34.000 -> 48:35.480] and he described to us,
[48:35.480 -> 48:36.720] which is slightly abstract, Ian,
[48:36.720 -> 48:39.640] that for him, doing the washing up
[48:39.640 -> 48:42.360] is as important as winning the Rugby World Cup.
[48:42.360 -> 48:43.200] Because-
[48:43.200 -> 48:47.320] Because, well, what he said was, to win the Rugby World Cup. Because, well, what he said was,
[48:47.480 -> 48:48.700] to win the Rugby World Cup,
[48:48.700 -> 48:50.920] you're moving your body to achieve a goal.
[48:50.920 -> 48:52.000] To do the washing up,
[48:52.000 -> 48:53.780] you're moving your body to achieve a goal.
[48:53.780 -> 48:55.960] And then he went on to say,
[48:55.960 -> 48:57.800] and if winning the Rugby World Cup
[48:57.800 -> 49:00.600] is more important than doing the washing up,
[49:00.600 -> 49:02.000] I'm no longer a rugby player.
[49:02.000 -> 49:04.960] So am I less important as a person now
[49:04.960 -> 49:06.640] than when I was a professional athlete?
[49:06.640 -> 49:08.080] He refuses to go to that place.
[49:08.080 -> 49:09.600] So for him, it's as important,
[49:09.600 -> 49:12.380] he's as relevant, he means as much.
[49:12.380 -> 49:14.120] That's an interesting take.
[49:14.120 -> 49:17.080] I wonder how you respond to that.
[49:17.080 -> 49:19.040] I respond by saying,
[49:19.040 -> 49:22.280] do you mind Johnny Wilkinson coming over
[49:22.280 -> 49:23.520] and doing my washing up?
[49:23.520 -> 49:28.720] Like, that would be perfect, but I'll go
[49:28.720 -> 49:35.040] beyond that. But you understand, you understand what he's trying to say. I know exactly what he's
[49:35.040 -> 49:51.960] saying, so I'll answer it in a more intelligent way, I hope. If we consider, you know, what sporting performances are as Greek, if we look at that and consider,
[49:51.960 -> 49:59.440] you know, that, you know, we're committed to one thing and, you know, then all of a
[49:59.440 -> 50:07.600] sudden it actually finishes and think of loss and the stages of grieving that you might go through.
[50:07.600 -> 50:09.400] That's actually what I think it is.
[50:09.400 -> 50:17.560] And if someone explains it to you, you actually get it a lot quicker than if nothing's explained.
[50:17.560 -> 50:22.640] So the first time that I finished my career, no one told me.
[50:22.640 -> 50:26.800] The second time I was actually prepared for it. So completely
[50:26.800 -> 50:33.920] different situations. And I believe there is a study that actually articulates this.
[50:33.920 -> 50:38.480] Brenton Burchmore They looked at the divorce rate of
[50:38.480 -> 50:46.000] EPO players that separated from their wives after it and we're looking at the reason
[50:46.920 -> 50:51.320] Basically, it has nothing to do with them being famous
[50:52.240 -> 50:57.200] Or anything else and it actually had to do with them
[50:58.040 -> 51:04.520] not knowing what to do with their lives and because they were disassociated with
[51:08.040 -> 51:12.220] What they've done on the football pitch or whatever else, they didn't know how to define them.
[51:12.220 -> 51:15.680] The limelight went away, the income went away.
[51:15.680 -> 51:18.400] All of these things contribute
[51:18.400 -> 51:23.400] to their probably lack of confidence,
[51:24.520 -> 51:26.920] but this was the main reason
[51:26.920 -> 51:29.680] that psychologists took away from this.
[51:29.680 -> 51:30.760] Very interesting.
[51:30.760 -> 51:32.240] And how are you now?
[51:32.240 -> 51:34.000] You know, we've spoken on this about
[51:34.920 -> 51:37.680] the amazing career you had right from the age of 14,
[51:37.680 -> 51:38.880] the highs, the lows,
[51:38.880 -> 51:42.040] the places you had to take yourself to be successful.
[51:42.040 -> 51:43.220] Are you happy at the moment?
[51:43.220 -> 51:44.060] Is life good?
[51:44.060 -> 51:45.680] Are you in the flow?
[51:45.680 -> 51:52.600] Life's good. Do you know what? I have my ups and downs and I'm more confident in
[51:52.600 -> 51:58.680] saying that, knowing that there's more ups than downs coming on and that's how I
[51:58.680 -> 52:03.360] feel. It's simple as that. So how did you refine that sense of purpose,
[52:03.360 -> 52:08.280] and what sort of questions did you ask yourself post your swimming career that helped you to
[52:08.280 -> 52:15.560] establish a new direction? I pushed myself. I continue to want to learn about
[52:15.560 -> 52:25.080] the world. I realized when I was very young, I was 13 or 14 at the time and I was taking a
[52:25.680 -> 52:27.680] geography lesson and
[52:27.720 -> 52:31.240] It was on a plane on my way to Britain, which
[52:32.560 -> 52:40.120] It was my first time in South America and I was a kid like let's just be realistic about it
[52:40.280 -> 52:47.360] but I realized I was about to be marked I, from the head coach who happened to be a
[52:47.360 -> 52:56.960] teacher. And he made sure that I didn't cheat or anything else like that. But he said to me during
[52:56.960 -> 53:09.000] my exam, he said, look out the window. And I was describing the topography of what looks like a tropical environment, which he was aware of.
[53:09.000 -> 53:14.000] And he actually sent me to look out the window.
[53:14.000 -> 53:19.000] And I realized, do you know what, there's a lot in my life that I have.
[53:19.000 -> 53:24.000] And the way that I learn may not be the same as anyone else.
[53:24.000 -> 53:29.040] It may be just from human experience and whatnot.
[53:29.040 -> 53:33.000] And that's kind of what I've become more comfortable with.
[53:33.000 -> 53:34.000] Wow, that's powerful.
[53:34.000 -> 53:35.000] I love it.
[53:35.000 -> 53:36.000] I love it.
[53:36.000 -> 53:38.160] Listen, thank you so much for taking the time.
[53:38.160 -> 53:41.360] Before we say goodbye, though, we have our quickfire questions, Ian.
[53:41.360 -> 53:45.040] So the first one is, Ian, what are the three non-negotiable
[53:45.040 -> 53:49.280] behaviours you and the people around you have to buy into?
[53:49.280 -> 53:53.840] I think honesty, integrity and patience.
[53:53.840 -> 53:58.240] So what goals from your childhood still rattle around your adult body?
[53:58.240 -> 54:00.080] None.
[54:00.080 -> 54:10.160] What is your biggest strength and what is your biggest weakness? I actually, I think my mental strength and equally, I actually think it's
[54:11.280 -> 54:20.240] on the flip side, my mental health. You know, I'm someone that goes into a competition
[54:21.040 -> 54:28.400] confident, but I'm also someone that struggles to wake up in the morning, or not
[54:28.400 -> 54:32.160] wake up, but to get out of bed.
[54:32.160 -> 54:39.080] And I tell people 50% of accomplishing anything is actually just getting started.
[54:39.080 -> 54:44.520] And so I say, just get out of bed and then you're on your way.
[54:44.520 -> 54:46.320] Love it. Action leads to motivation.
[54:46.320 -> 54:47.280] Absolutely.
[54:47.280 -> 54:49.920] What one book would you recommend for our listeners?
[54:50.800 -> 54:56.240] Anything by Noam Chomsky or Osho or Peter Singer.
[54:56.240 -> 54:59.040] Why have those particular books and authors?
[54:59.040 -> 54:59.840] I actually love them.
[54:59.840 -> 55:00.800] Spoke to them.
[55:00.800 -> 55:10.920] All of them. I love, You know, when it comes to Noam Chomsky, I studied linguistics at university,
[55:10.920 -> 55:18.000] so I actually love his work. When it comes to Peter Singer, he's an ethicist from Australia,
[55:18.000 -> 55:24.200] I should say, who I love his work. And then, you know, I'll show, for me,
[55:24.200 -> 55:28.200] it was a different consideration of how the world works.
[55:28.200 -> 55:29.520] And if you went to a desert island
[55:29.520 -> 55:31.360] and you had to only take one book?
[55:31.360 -> 55:33.260] That's a new question.
[55:33.260 -> 55:36.280] Yeah, actually it would be an Osho book.
[55:36.280 -> 55:39.000] So it would be The Man Who Loved Seagulls.
[55:39.000 -> 55:41.240] If you'd like it, you'd buy the others.
[55:42.160 -> 55:46.300] And finally, your one golden rule for people listening to this
[55:46.300 -> 55:51.400] podcast to go and live their own high-performance life. Stop paying
[55:51.400 -> 55:56.160] attention to anyone else, pay attention to the people that you care about and
[55:56.160 -> 56:01.960] usually you can count those people on one hand and if you can't count them on
[56:01.960 -> 56:07.460] one hand it may be two, if it's more than two, you're kidding yourself.
[56:07.460 -> 56:11.180] But that's how I feel about relationships.
[56:11.180 -> 56:13.760] And that's how you get the best out of yourself.
[56:13.760 -> 56:16.260] Listen, I can't thank you enough, Ian,
[56:16.260 -> 56:17.460] for taking the time to talk to us.
[56:17.460 -> 56:19.580] I think that was a really powerful conversation.
[56:19.580 -> 56:22.580] It was about the power of parenting at the beginning.
[56:22.580 -> 56:25.080] It was about the power of dedicating yourself as an athlete in the middle. And then actually the power of parenting at the beginning, it was about the power of dedicating yourself
[56:25.080 -> 56:26.000] as an athlete in the middle.
[56:26.000 -> 56:29.800] And then actually the power of making really brave
[56:29.800 -> 56:33.360] and tough decisions that are right for you towards the end.
[56:33.360 -> 56:36.920] And when you spoke at the end and you said that
[56:36.920 -> 56:39.840] your biggest strength is your mental strength
[56:39.840 -> 56:41.560] and your biggest weakness is your mental health,
[56:41.560 -> 56:43.200] I think that is a really important lesson
[56:43.200 -> 56:44.080] and a message for people.
[56:44.080 -> 56:46.960] Because I think people think poor mental health
[56:46.960 -> 56:51.280] is poor mental strength and the two are not entwined.
[56:51.280 -> 56:52.640] No, not at all.
[56:52.640 -> 56:53.480] Thank you.
[56:54.340 -> 56:55.600] Yeah, thank you.
[56:55.600 -> 56:57.000] Please, hi, Muslim.
[56:57.000 -> 56:59.600] Thank you, and it's been a real privilege
[56:59.600 -> 57:01.000] to listen to you, thank you.
[57:04.880 -> 57:06.000] Damien. Jake. The'r pwerau o ddadwyr yn eithaf llawn, ac os bydd unrhyw ddadwyr yn clywed yma, neu
[57:06.000 -> 57:09.000] yn unrhyw ddau, sut y bydd y penderfyniadau a ydyn nhw'n gwneud ar ddiweddarach ddiweddiannol
[57:09.000 -> 57:12.000] nawr yn eithaf gynhyrchu eu plant ym mis Mhryd,
[57:12.000 -> 57:15.000] clywed i'r podcast hwnnw i mi, a byddwch yn sylwi,
[57:15.000 -> 57:18.000] beth yw'r ffrasai oedd eich bod chi'n defnyddio'r ddewisau o'n
[57:18.000 -> 57:21.000] dechrau, sy'n rhwng y gynulliad o'n gynulliad,
[57:21.000 -> 57:24.000] mae'r dewisau o'n ddadwriaeth rydyn ni'n cael,
[57:24.000 -> 57:46.000] yn rhwng ym, ym, ym, ym. Mae'n dweud, mae'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwaith o'r gwa I love the idea of only asking him to commit to something for a year and then deciding after that whether you want to go again.
[57:46.000 -> 57:52.000] I think it's there was just so many valuable lessons there for I know me and you were both fathers.
[57:52.000 -> 57:56.000] I think to be able to take it and apply it to our own children's lives.
[57:56.000 -> 58:00.000] I hope there's people listening to this that can feel they can do the same as well.
[58:00.000 -> 58:05.840] And we've had that now from a few guests, you know, whether it's Ian Thorpe talking about every year they gave me an opportunity if I wasn't in school, Rwy'n gobeithio bod pobl sy'n clywed hynny a'u teimlo y gallent wneud yr un peth hefyd. Ac rydyn ni wedi cael hynny nawr o rai o'r gwestiynau, yw'n gwybod,
[58:05.840 -> 58:06.720] oherwydd yw e'n ymdrech,
[58:06.720 -> 58:08.080] ond yn siarad am,
[58:08.080 -> 58:09.440] bob blwyddyn, roeddent i mi rhoi cyfle,
[58:09.440 -> 58:10.320] os nad oeddwn yn mwynhau,
[58:10.320 -> 58:11.040] gallwn i stopio,
[58:11.040 -> 58:13.520] yw'n gwybod, Hector Bayer yn y Defender Arsenal,
[58:13.520 -> 58:16.080] yn siarad am y ffaith bod
[58:16.080 -> 58:16.800] dyna'n unig,
[58:16.800 -> 58:17.600] fel plant,
[58:17.600 -> 58:19.200] dyna'n unig y dylid fod am mwynhau,
[58:19.200 -> 58:19.920] nid am,
[58:19.920 -> 58:20.960] nid am gyfansoddiad.
[58:20.960 -> 58:22.080] Ac rwy'n credu ein bod ni'n ei wneud,
[58:22.080 -> 58:25.240] mae'n rhaid i ni iawn i'w gynllunio'n gyflym, yrud, rydyn ni'n eisiau i'r holl ddau gwneud ymlaen
[58:25.240 -> 58:26.760] beth rydym yn ymdrech arnyn nhw'n dda neu'n ddau
[58:26.760 -> 58:27.400] ar ein plant.
[58:27.400 -> 58:28.520] Os yw'n unrhyw beth arall,
[58:28.520 -> 58:29.480] a yw'n ei wneud iddyn nhw'n ddau neu ddim,
[58:29.480 -> 58:31.320] mae'n anodd
[58:31.320 -> 58:32.960] i'w ddweud, rwy'n credu.
[58:32.960 -> 58:34.360] Yn unig, ac rwy'n credu
[58:34.360 -> 58:36.560] y gall hynny'n aml yn cael ei ddifrifio
[58:36.560 -> 58:38.480] fel un o'r pethau'n llai'n llai
[58:38.480 -> 58:39.160] i'w cymryd i'w chyfathrebu,
[58:39.160 -> 58:39.880] ond os ydyn nhw'n ddau,
[58:39.880 -> 58:40.560] byddant yn dod yn ôl
[58:40.560 -> 58:41.200] a'i wneud yn unwaith eto,
[58:41.200 -> 58:42.360] ac os ydyn nhw'n dod yn ôl,
[58:42.360 -> 58:43.120] byddant yn dysgu,
[58:43.120 -> 58:45.320] os ydyn nhw'n mwynhau yna byddant yn gosodn mynd i ddysgu, os ydyn nhw'n mwynhau hynny,
[58:45.320 -> 58:46.800] maen nhw'n mynd i gynllunio mwy o amser,
[58:46.800 -> 58:48.200] maen nhw'n mynd i'w ymdrechu.
[58:48.200 -> 58:50.480] Dwi'n credu bod llawer o ddangosfa
[58:50.480 -> 58:54.200] ac mae'r rhai fynywyr sydd wedi mynd i'r cyfan o'u byddau
[58:54.200 -> 58:55.760] yn dweud hynny i ni.
[58:55.760 -> 58:57.560] Dwi'n credu y gall unrhyw un o ni ddysgu o hynny.
[58:57.560 -> 58:59.400] Dwi wedi gwneud siarad yn club chwaraeon yn ddiweddar,
[58:59.400 -> 59:01.480] ac roedd yn y rhai o'r plant sy'n ymwneud i
[59:01.480 -> 59:08.320] y rhai sy'n ymwneud i ddod yn ddiweddar i gael cyfrifiadau yn y gymdeithas. Ac rydyn ni'n seilio'n ymhlith yr holl plant, ac roedd y gwybodaeth yn wir, was to the parents of the children who were the latest to be given contracts in the Academy and we sat in front of all the parents and the message really was
[59:08.320 -> 59:11.600] you need to be really on it when it comes to looking after the mental
[59:11.600 -> 59:14.920] well-being and the mental health of your children and I could see some of these
[59:14.920 -> 59:19.240] parents were thinking, hold on a minute, my son is the happiest he's ever been,
[59:19.240 -> 59:22.920] he's just been offered a professional contract or an Academy contract at a
[59:22.920 -> 59:28.320] Premier League football club, I really don't need to be worrying about their mental health because my kid
[59:28.320 -> 59:31.760] is flying at the moment. And the message from the club which I thought was really
[59:31.760 -> 59:37.200] smart was the very thing that means your son has been offered a contract from us
[59:37.200 -> 59:41.800] is also the very thing that will mean there is likely to be higher rates of
[59:41.800 -> 59:47.960] mental health issues later down the line becausedysgu, y pasiwn,
[59:47.960 -> 59:50.000] y cyhoeddiadau cyhoeddiadol y maen nhw'n eu seilio ar eu hunain,
[59:50.000 -> 59:52.000] y dynion ddim y gallant ddweud.
[59:52.000 -> 59:55.600] Os ydyn nhw'n byw gyda'r rhai o'r 11, 12, 13 oed
[59:55.600 -> 59:57.240] ac nid yw eu cyflawni'n mynd y ffordd y byddent amdano,
[59:57.240 -> 59:58.480] neu ar weithiau, fel y mae Ian yn dweud,
[59:58.480 -> 01:00:00.880] mae eu cyflawni'n mynd y ffordd y byddent amdano,
[01:00:00.880 -> 01:00:03.080] mae'n y pethau sydd eich bod chi yno yn y cyntaf
[01:00:03.080 -> 01:00:04.480] sy'n gallu eich ddifrifio,
[01:00:04.480 -> 01:00:06.000] ac rwy'n meddwl oedd e'n llawer iawn o'r ffordau sydd eich bod chi yno yn y cyntaf a allai eich ddifroddwch, ac roeddwn i'n meddwl ei fod yn
[01:00:06.000 -> 01:00:08.000] lawr iawn y ffordd y sgwrsodd Ian ar hynny.
[01:00:08.000 -> 01:00:11.000] Waw, ie, rwy'n hoffi'r adroddiad hwnnw. Rwy'n hoffi ei fod wedi'i
[01:00:11.000 -> 01:00:15.000] rhoi i'r plant fel tŷ i gael nhw ddechrau meddwl am hyn,
[01:00:15.000 -> 01:00:18.000] dim ond y pwysigrwydd. Rwy'n credu, fel y dweudwch,
[01:00:18.000 -> 01:00:21.000] rhai o'r adroddiadau y sgwrsodd Ian amdanyn nhw.
[01:00:21.000 -> 01:00:23.000] Roeddwn i'n meddwl amdano ar ôl i'r sgwrsodd.
[01:00:23.000 -> 01:00:25.160] Ymgeisio'ch dynnu'ch myned i ffwrdd o 80 km bob wythnos a dilyn'n meddwl amdano, yn gobeithio, yn rhoi'r gofyn i chi i mewn i water
[01:00:25.160 -> 01:00:27.600] ar 80 km bob dydd, ac yn dilyn y rhan
[01:00:27.600 -> 01:00:29.160] ar y ddŵr o'r pwll,
[01:00:29.160 -> 01:00:31.240] nad yw hynny unig ymwneud â'r tas ffysig,
[01:00:31.240 -> 01:00:34.080] mae'n rhaid i chi fynd yn dda i'ch eich seicologi
[01:00:34.080 -> 01:00:36.080] i ddeall sut rydych chi'n dewis
[01:00:36.080 -> 01:00:37.760] i'w wneud bob dydd
[01:00:37.760 -> 01:00:39.360] a'ch cymryd i'r cyflawni hynny.
[01:00:39.360 -> 01:00:40.760] Ac rwy'n credu
[01:00:40.760 -> 01:00:42.080] y sgwrsodd Iean amdano oedd,
[01:00:42.080 -> 01:00:44.520] ddim yn gobeithio am laeolaethu pethau,
[01:00:44.520 -> 01:00:45.520] seicologi chwaraeon, mae'n laeolaethu'n seicologi a'r meddwl Iainn sgwrsodd y byddai, ddim yn gobeithio ymdrechu pethau, sportau, psycholegau,
[01:00:45.520 -> 01:00:47.120] mae'n gobeithio yw'r psycholeg,
[01:00:47.120 -> 01:00:47.840] y meddwl,
[01:00:47.840 -> 01:00:50.560] a'r cyfle i bobl allu gysylltu
[01:00:50.560 -> 01:00:51.840] ac ystyried y peth,
[01:00:51.840 -> 01:00:53.120] mae'n ddiddorol.
[01:00:53.120 -> 01:00:54.960] Mae'n ddiddorol iawn.
[01:00:54.960 -> 01:00:55.760] Diolch am eich amser,
[01:00:55.760 -> 01:00:56.080] mate.
[01:00:56.080 -> 01:00:56.720] Diolch, Jake.
[01:00:56.720 -> 01:00:57.200] Rydw i'n hoffi.
[01:00:59.360 -> 01:01:00.080] Dydw i ddim yn gallu ddiolch i chi
[01:01:00.080 -> 01:01:01.440] i gysylltu a chyfathrebu
[01:01:01.440 -> 01:01:02.400] i'r fideo hwn.
[01:01:02.400 -> 01:01:03.280] Gallaf eich arloes i chi,
[01:01:03.280 -> 01:01:04.240] o'r ffordd y gallwch chi
[01:01:04.240 -> 01:01:05.640] gael ymwneud â ni yma ar y cyflwyniad mwyaf? Wrth gwrs, gallwch chi ddilyn ni ar Instagram, Damien yw atliquidthinker, Thank you enough for tuning in and listening to today's episode. Can I just remind you though of all the ways you can get involved with us here on High
[01:01:05.640 -> 01:01:06.640] Performance.
[01:01:06.640 -> 01:01:07.840] Of course, you can follow us on Instagram.
[01:01:07.840 -> 01:01:09.680] Damian is at LiquidThinker.
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[01:01:15.360 -> 01:01:18.440] We've had tens of millions of views of the videos on there.
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[01:01:22.400 -> 01:01:27.320] also getting the opportunity to see the emotion in their faces and the way they're talking to us and the
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[01:02:19.560 -> 01:02:23.160] of the book as well it's out on the 9th of December I'm not sure when we're
[01:02:23.160 -> 01:02:28.520] going to reveal the cover but I think it's soon. I think before long you will see the first ever cover of
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[01:02:32.760 -> 01:02:37.480] I just say a huge thanks to Damien for his hard work on this podcast, to Will and Hannah
[01:02:37.480 -> 01:02:43.520] as well, to Finn Ryan from Rethink Audio. But I say it every week, I can't say it enough,
[01:02:43.520 -> 01:02:45.400] thanks to you. Every single day.
[01:02:45.800 -> 01:02:49.100] I get messages on Instagram or messages on Twitter from people
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[01:02:51.600 -> 01:02:54.600] is that that drives us to keep on delivering the goodness
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[01:02:56.600 -> 01:02:58.000] So we'll keep on doing it.
[01:02:58.100 -> 01:02:59.300] You keep on reaching out.
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