E63 - Tim Peake: Aiming high by staying grounded

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[00:00.000 -> 00:08.280] Well, here we go then. Episode 6, series 5 of the High Performance Podcast. 2021 is flying
[00:08.280 -> 00:12.700] by and so are the episodes, but this is a really special one, so stay exactly where
[00:12.700 -> 00:17.240] you are. If you're new to the High Performance Podcast, welcome along. Basically, these are
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[00:27.740 -> 00:32.040] made so that you can apply them to your life and you can genuinely live a more
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[00:53.420 -> 01:00.540] Okay, let's get on with it. Then. It's time for a really special and hugely interesting episode of the high-performance podcast
[01:00.820 -> 01:02.820] Here's what you can expect. I
[01:04.420 -> 01:10.600] Think the universe is meaningless without life, without conscious life to be able to
[01:10.600 -> 01:12.520] think about this and self-reflect.
[01:12.520 -> 01:14.440] It makes the universe meaningless, frankly.
[01:14.440 -> 01:19.320] So when you think of it in that way, it makes us incredibly special.
[01:19.320 -> 01:26.340] Now we may not be the only conscious life forms in the universe, but we are at the moment the only ones we
[01:26.340 -> 01:27.340] know of.
[01:27.340 -> 01:28.880] And I think that's very important.
[01:28.880 -> 01:31.160] It makes us very special indeed.
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[03:42.000 -> 03:50.480] see Mint Mobile for details. Joining us today is the author of the book Limitless and this guest knows all
[03:50.480 -> 03:54.680] about the power of not having limits. He wasn't limited by his poor A-level
[03:54.680 -> 03:58.400] results. 18 years in the British Armed Forces where he flew helicopters on
[03:58.400 -> 04:03.040] active service was also not his limit. He became the first official British
[04:03.040 -> 04:05.080] astronaut to walk in space but not even that was the end. He became the first official British astronaut to walk in space but
[04:05.080 -> 04:09.600] not even that was the end. He now sees the limitless potential that comes from
[04:09.600 -> 04:13.960] inspiring young people in science and engineering and it's a real pleasure to
[04:13.960 -> 04:17.840] welcome to the High Performance podcast Tim Peake. Tim thanks for being with us.
[04:17.840 -> 04:19.960] Tim Peake- Thank you it's great to be joining you.
[04:19.960 -> 04:22.960] So from your perspective what is high performance?
[04:22.960 -> 04:29.080] Tim Peake- I think high performance is really the ability to achieve your full potential.
[04:29.080 -> 04:35.220] I think everybody has a wealth of talent and ability and the high performance element is
[04:35.220 -> 04:40.360] trying to identify what it is that you're good at, what is it that motivates you, what's
[04:40.360 -> 04:44.600] your drive, what's your passion, and then how do you nurture that ability, how do you
[04:44.600 -> 04:47.840] manage to take your skill set and be as good as you can be?
[04:47.840 -> 04:54.000] So that takes a fair amount of self-analysis. How do you suggest people start by working
[04:54.000 -> 04:55.320] out what they're good at?
[04:55.320 -> 05:00.320] Yeah, it's a journey. It's not something that happens instantaneously. And I think it's
[05:00.320 -> 05:06.880] something that you continue to develop throughout your life and it may change from time to time as well so it does take a lot of
[05:06.860 -> 05:18.520] self awareness and self analysis i was quite fortunate when i was younger but flying became a real passion and a real motivation for me to want to
[05:18.480 -> 05:26.160] become a pilot and that drove me to have to study certain subjects and to have to go down a certain career path,
[05:26.160 -> 05:28.160] which I was then able to follow.
[05:28.160 -> 05:33.160] Not everybody gets a really clear indication of what it is that they want to do early on
[05:33.160 -> 05:38.240] in life, but I think that the way you identify what it is you're good at is giving yourself
[05:38.240 -> 05:44.080] the greatest opportunity of having a diverse, different number of activities to get involved
[05:44.080 -> 05:49.480] in, and you'll start to identify what you enjoy, where you excel and those areas you struggle
[05:49.480 -> 05:54.000] at and then putting it all together in a package that identifies who you are and
[05:54.000 -> 05:57.520] who you want to be. It's good advice that because we have a lot of people that
[05:57.520 -> 06:01.520] say I've got energy, I've got drive, I've got ambition, I've got determination but
[06:01.520 -> 06:07.680] I don't know where to channel it to. So what you're saying is, for most people, it's a case of opening more doors than you're
[06:07.680 -> 06:11.640] closing and then that will increase your opportunities, really.
[06:11.640 -> 06:13.920] I think so, yeah, that's right.
[06:13.920 -> 06:18.960] Don't close any doors, don't narrow the field, keep an open mind and try different things,
[06:18.960 -> 06:20.960] you know, go out of your comfort zone.
[06:20.960 -> 06:25.920] That's how you build resilience and, you know, you're never going to fail if you try something and you don't succeed. ymlaen. Dyna sut rydych chi'n cymryd ymdrechion ac rydych chi'n gwybod eich bod chi ddim yn mynd i'r ffwrdd os rydych chi'n croesu pethau ac
[06:25.920 -> 06:32.000] dydych chi ddim yn cymryd hynny. Mae'n brofiad positif oherwydd rydych chi wedi ddod allan o rywbeth mwy am eich hun.
[06:32.000 -> 06:36.640] Mae yna ddweud gwych, Tim, y bydd byth yn ddefnyddio'r byd pan edrychom ymlaen.
[06:37.280 -> 06:40.960] Felly, yn eich cas, rwy'n sylfaenol bod eich bod chi'n siarad am fod yn
[06:40.960 -> 06:47.000] ymgyrchol byth yn ymwneud â'r ysbyty. Pa ffordd o seidiau i'r hyn y gwnaethoch chi'n ymwneud â'r ymgyrch o'r ymdrechion, pa ffordd o'r sædau i'r hyn y byddwch chi'n mynd arnyn nhw i'w wneud
[06:47.000 -> 06:49.000] yn amlwg pan oeddech chi'n blentyn?
[06:49.000 -> 07:10.720] Ac mae'r rhan ddegol o'r cwestiwn hon yn pa sylwadau byddwch chi'n rhoi i'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o' backwards through your life and I think that's interesting because you then identify your journey and how you became who you are and where you got to. And for me, I mean I've always been
[07:10.720 -> 07:16.000] involved in adventure and exploration. It's always been a passion of mine, the great outdoors and
[07:16.000 -> 07:20.480] testing boundaries and pushing the limit. And then when I look back it's perhaps no surprise
[07:20.480 -> 07:25.360] that I ended up as a test pilot which which then led on to becoming an astronaut.
[07:25.360 -> 07:29.160] And now I can see myself back as a 13, 14 year old,
[07:29.160 -> 07:31.240] you know, getting into a glider for the first time
[07:31.240 -> 07:33.500] and thinking it wasn't just about the flying experience.
[07:33.500 -> 07:36.240] I was so curious right back then,
[07:36.240 -> 07:37.600] it's how did this thing fly?
[07:37.600 -> 07:39.160] How can I make it better?
[07:39.160 -> 07:41.160] How can I stay up in the air longer?
[07:41.160 -> 07:43.840] How can I improve the landing?
[07:43.840 -> 07:45.760] And then going around to look at the aircraft
[07:45.760 -> 07:47.160] and thinking about the performance,
[07:47.160 -> 07:49.000] why are the wings so wide?
[07:49.000 -> 07:51.320] How does it fly like it does?
[07:51.320 -> 07:53.400] So looking back, I can see that I've had
[07:53.400 -> 07:56.600] that curiosity all my life.
[07:56.600 -> 07:58.800] And I think in terms of what parents can do
[07:58.800 -> 08:01.520] to help their children, it is to give them
[08:01.520 -> 08:04.360] as much opportunity as possible.
[08:04.360 -> 08:07.680] That's the greatest thing I think a parent can do for their children and also
[08:08.240 -> 08:10.640] Not to worry so much about where the journey my lady
[08:10.640 -> 08:10.840] I mean
[08:10.840 -> 08:17.360] I left school with a CD and an E in a levels now you could say for my my parents would be thinking
[08:17.360 -> 08:22.000] Yeah, he hasn't fulfilled his potential and he hasn't quite done as as well as we'd hoped
[08:22.000 -> 08:25.800] He would do but I never stopped studying from the moment I left school.
[08:25.800 -> 08:27.600] That was when the textbooks opened.
[08:27.600 -> 08:32.040] That's when physics and maths suddenly became really important to me.
[08:32.040 -> 08:33.640] And I had a framework for it.
[08:33.640 -> 08:38.000] I had a reason to study it, and I was able to apply it to what I was doing.
[08:38.000 -> 08:41.840] I didn't get my degree until I was 33, so I've studied all my life.
[08:41.840 -> 08:44.200] But it's not to worry so much about the journey.
[08:44.200 -> 08:48.240] I think that as parents, we do naturally worry about our children and
[08:48.240 -> 08:52.760] we want the best for them. But they will always find their way in life and our
[08:52.760 -> 08:58.100] job is to help them do that, but to not to push them down roads that we
[08:58.100 -> 08:59.100] shouldn't be pushing them down. Toby Van Kampen
[08:59.100 -> 09:03.360] On a previous series we interviewed the Indian businessman Dil Bagil who runs a
[09:03.360 -> 09:06.500] Formula E team and he said to us that he thinks the education system
[09:06.500 -> 09:08.100] has got everything back to front.
[09:08.100 -> 09:11.100] He said, instead of teaching children an answer,
[09:11.100 -> 09:13.100] we should teach them to ask a question
[09:13.100 -> 09:14.300] and find the answer themselves.
[09:14.300 -> 09:16.540] And it sounds to me like really,
[09:16.540 -> 09:18.860] your story has been one of looking for answers,
[09:18.860 -> 09:21.620] asking yourself questions, asking questions of the world.
[09:21.620 -> 09:23.940] Absolutely, and I still do.
[09:23.940 -> 09:25.760] And, you know, come back to that initial thing,
[09:25.760 -> 09:27.280] question about high performance.
[09:27.280 -> 09:29.840] I still think I've got so many different things
[09:29.840 -> 09:31.600] I want to do in life.
[09:31.600 -> 09:33.480] I don't think I've fulfilled my potential.
[09:33.480 -> 09:34.400] I think it's changing.
[09:34.400 -> 09:37.280] And I think as a good way of looking at education,
[09:37.280 -> 09:39.240] it's about asking the questions
[09:39.240 -> 09:42.200] and thinking about what is it that we can go on and do
[09:42.200 -> 09:43.400] and why do we do it?
[09:43.400 -> 09:45.200] And especially when you look now about
[09:45.200 -> 09:51.360] the the skills gap that we have between what qualifications people are coming out of school
[09:51.360 -> 09:56.960] and college and university with versus what the career sector requires. I think that's something
[09:56.960 -> 10:03.600] we really need to look at as well and say are we preparing you know our students to the best
[10:03.600 -> 10:05.400] that we can to set them up for the career place of the future and it's changing so fast. I mean yn ystod y cyfnod y byddwn ni'n ei gysylltu â'r holl bywydau i'w gysylltu â'r holl bywydau
[10:05.400 -> 10:07.480] i'r holl bywydau a'r holl bywydau.
[10:07.480 -> 10:08.920] Ac mae'n newid mor gyflym.
[10:08.920 -> 10:12.080] Dwi'n gobeithio y bydd y cyfnod o ddechnoleg yn anhygoel.
[10:12.080 -> 10:17.280] Felly, sut y gallwn gysylltu'r bobl ifanc gyda'r sgiliau y maen nhw'n eu hafod i fynd i'r gweithle
[10:17.280 -> 10:18.280] a'r Celf?
[10:18.280 -> 10:22.920] Felly, o'r ffordd y dywedoddwch chi y bydd y cwriwtiaeth yma o gael y gwybodaeth i ymdrechu
[10:22.920 -> 10:25.200] pan ddechreuwch yn y ddiddorol i'w ymdrechu pan gafodd chi'r glider hwnnw i'r un pryd.
[10:25.200 -> 10:29.360] Pa arbenigion byddwch chi'n ei ddysgu i ni i'w hymdrechu,
[10:29.360 -> 10:33.600] yn ein hunain a'r rhai eraill, sy'n ein cymryd i ni fynd ymlaen a
[10:33.600 -> 10:36.880] gael cyflog o leiaf yn bai dim ond yr ystafell rydyn ni'n ei weithio?
[10:36.880 -> 10:41.360] Rwy'n credu, rydyn ni'n byw'n byw'n ddiolch iawn ar yr hyn rydych chi'n mwynhau,
[10:41.360 -> 10:45.280] felly mae yna'r broses o ddod allan ar yr hyn sy'n eich sgiliau unig what you enjoy so there is that process of finding out what it is that is your
[10:45.280 -> 10:49.720] unique skill set and everybody's skill set is unique because you know we're
[10:49.720 -> 10:55.480] made up of so many different components that will give us our unique place but I
[10:55.480 -> 10:58.920] think you've got that at that difference between what is it I need to learn and
[10:58.920 -> 11:02.720] improve that's the kind of hard skills if you need if you like and then the
[11:02.720 -> 11:06.160] soft skills of of how can I bring my talent
[11:06.160 -> 11:11.800] and my abilities into the workplace communicating with people, becoming a leader, be better
[11:11.800 -> 11:15.240] at decision making, managing risk.
[11:15.240 -> 11:20.040] There are all these qualities that we have as an individual and I think it's being able
[11:20.040 -> 11:23.140] to develop both of those.
[11:23.140 -> 11:26.320] You won't get all of those just by studying textbooks and reading. i ddatblygu'r ddau o'r rhain. Dydyn ni ddim yn cael yr holl rhai dim ond drwy ymchwilio ar y llyfrgell a'r llyfrgell.
[11:26.320 -> 11:27.440] Rydyn ni'n gwybod ein bod yn rhaid i chi allu allan,
[11:27.440 -> 11:30.880] rydyn ni'n rhaid i chi gael profiad o bethau fel person ifanc
[11:30.880 -> 11:33.680] sy'n rhoi'r gallu i chi ddatblygu
[11:33.680 -> 11:35.280] y sgiliau cymdeithasol yna,
[11:35.280 -> 11:36.400] y sgiliau cymdeithasol yna,
[11:36.400 -> 11:38.160] sy'n bwysig iawn hefyd.
[11:38.160 -> 11:41.280] Felly, mae'n adeg o academaethau a sgiliau cymdeithasol.
[11:41.280 -> 11:43.440] Felly, wedi dod trwy Sandhurst,
[11:43.440 -> 11:44.880] y ffordd rydych chi'n ymwneud â'r ysgolion,
[11:44.880 -> 11:46.640] ac yna'n llawn trwy, pan fyddwch chi'n ymwneud â'r ysgol, ac yna'r holl ffordd drwy,
[11:46.640 -> 11:48.480] pan rydych chi'n byw am siwns
[11:48.480 -> 11:49.440] mewn y stasiwn y byd
[11:49.440 -> 11:51.440] gyda chweithiol cymdeithasol
[11:51.440 -> 11:52.880] o gydweithwyr,
[11:52.880 -> 11:54.640] beth byddwch chi'n ei ddod o'r
[11:54.640 -> 11:56.800] mwyaf bwyd y gyda'ch gwybodaeth?
[11:56.800 -> 11:58.640] Mae'n fwy o hyn y byddwch chi'n ei ddod o'r
[11:58.640 -> 12:00.640] sgiliau'r llwybrau, y gallu i ddechrau
[12:00.640 -> 12:03.280] ac eich cysylltiadau cyffredinol
[12:03.280 -> 12:06.000] ac mae'n fwy o hyn o'ch gwybodaeth technol a'r sgiliau prifysgol y gyda'ch gilydd. Mae'n anodd i'w ddod oan a'ch gysylltiadau cymdeithasol a pha mor oedd yma am eich gwybodaeth technol
[12:06.000 -> 12:08.000] a'ch sgiliau prifysgol?
[12:08.000 -> 12:12.000] Mae'n anodd i'w ddangos yn unig, ond i roi ychydig o flaen i chi o'r hyn y byddai'r Aelodau'r Aelodau
[12:12.000 -> 12:15.000] yn edrych arno, er enghraifft, ar y penderfyniad astronawt,
[12:15.000 -> 12:19.000] maen nhw'n treulio un diwrnod yn analysu'r sgiliau hard iddynt.
[12:19.000 -> 12:22.000] Roedd hynny'n diwrnod anodd iawn, yn anodd iawn, yn ystod y computer,
[12:22.000 -> 12:30.240] yn rhedeg ystadegau mewn rhai o'n g the basics of our maths, our engineering, our spatial awareness, our concentration, our memory retention, those
[12:30.240 -> 12:35.680] kind of skills, many of which are called kind of non-trainable skills, although I do think
[12:35.680 -> 12:38.080] that you can improve on even those.
[12:38.080 -> 12:39.720] But that was one day.
[12:39.720 -> 12:44.040] The remainder of the year of the selection test was all about the soft skills.
[12:44.040 -> 12:50.280] It was about psychological profiling. It was about communicating, working in teams, your level of judgment,
[12:50.280 -> 12:56.400] your decision making, your appetite for risk. And that gives you a flavor of how important
[12:56.400 -> 13:02.840] it is for the space agencies that you're somebody who can go to space for six months or longer
[13:02.840 -> 13:05.920] into low Earth orbit, onto the moon, onto Mars and be
[13:05.920 -> 13:09.240] someone who can operate effectively in those circumstances.
[13:09.240 -> 13:13.240] I'm just chuckling slightly Tim because when you talk about the selection process
[13:13.240 -> 13:16.560] to become an astronaut and you say only on one day they talked to us about the
[13:16.560 -> 13:21.180] soft skills, I was expecting you to say and on the other day we discussed the
[13:21.180 -> 13:25.800] other bits and then you said for the rest of the year. I'm so
[13:25.800 -> 13:29.280] interested to talk to you about how you get yourself into a mindset where you go
[13:29.280 -> 13:33.160] through a year-long journey up against I think it was about 8,000 other applicants
[13:33.160 -> 13:37.640] to get one of six places on the astronaut training program. Could you
[13:37.640 -> 13:41.000] take us through that journey because for people that go to a job interview that
[13:41.000 -> 13:48.700] lasts 15 minutes this is fascinating insight. Yes I think it's interesting because when I first applied to the
[13:48.700 -> 13:54.080] astronaut job I didn't think I was going to get it I'd be surprised if anyone
[13:54.080 -> 13:58.760] realistically thinks they're going to get it that's not to say that you're not
[13:58.760 -> 14:01.900] going to give it a hundred and ten percent you know you're going to give it
[14:01.900 -> 14:08.320] absolutely everything you've got and you might desperately want to to become a national you might want the job but when
[14:08.320 -> 14:12.480] the odds are eight and a half thousand and you're one of those there then
[14:12.480 -> 14:16.040] clearly you know you've got to appreciate that the chances of you
[14:16.040 -> 14:20.840] actually succeeding are slim but the whole... Can I butt in and ask you whether that's a
[14:20.840 -> 14:23.800] useful mindset to have at the beginning did you allow yourself to think that or
[14:23.800 -> 14:25.200] was it healthier for you to say,
[14:25.200 -> 14:28.320] right, listen, there's six places, one of them's going to be mine?
[14:28.320 -> 14:31.520] I think it was useful to have at the beginning, but my mindset changed.
[14:31.520 -> 14:38.080] I think as the odds narrow and you start to become one of 40 and then one of 20,
[14:38.080 -> 14:43.680] and then you're down to the final 10, you know, you really then start thinking,
[14:43.680 -> 14:47.760] okay, I do now have a good chance of this,
[14:47.760 -> 14:49.640] and then I think the stakes become high.
[14:49.640 -> 14:51.440] You've invested so much in it.
[14:51.440 -> 14:52.720] It's a massive decision.
[14:52.720 -> 14:54.760] It's a massive implications for you.
[14:54.760 -> 14:56.280] So I think your mindset changes,
[14:56.280 -> 14:58.720] but I think it helped in the early stages
[14:58.720 -> 15:01.840] to relax, to be yourself, to do the best,
[15:01.840 -> 15:03.680] to just go in there and think,
[15:03.680 -> 15:04.840] I'm gonna give it the best shot,
[15:04.840 -> 15:08.160] and I'm going to take this as a positive experience, there's a good
[15:08.160 -> 15:12.340] chance that I'm going to fail but I really don't mind because actually the
[15:12.340 -> 15:15.900] process of being involved in this selection, I'm going to learn a lot from
[15:15.900 -> 15:19.840] it, I'm going to meet like-minded people, I'm going to see something I wouldn't
[15:19.840 -> 15:24.100] have otherwise seen and experienced. So you go in with that that mindset and I
[15:24.100 -> 15:25.780] think that's that's useful.
[15:25.780 -> 15:27.360] Actually, the stress increases
[15:27.360 -> 15:28.920] further down the selection process
[15:28.920 -> 15:30.760] as your mindset changes and you realize
[15:30.760 -> 15:32.680] that you've got a better chance of becoming an astronaut.
[15:32.680 -> 15:34.440] So we have a phrase on this podcast
[15:34.440 -> 15:36.500] called never sit in the comfy chair.
[15:36.500 -> 15:38.760] I would really like some specifics from you
[15:38.760 -> 15:41.240] of the day that the chair was the least comfy
[15:41.240 -> 15:44.000] during that year-long selection process.
[15:44.000 -> 15:49.360] I think for me, it was probably at the interview rounds, so that's when we're down to the final
[15:49.360 -> 15:54.000] 22 and then we have our other interviews at the final 10.
[15:54.000 -> 15:57.960] And that's when things start getting less comfortable because you're really put on the
[15:57.960 -> 16:02.840] spot, there's no hiding place, so from a point of view of it being a rather intimidating
[16:02.840 -> 16:09.120] experience you've got a whole panel of experts in front of you and you're obviously being grilled. But also, as I mentioned, the stakes
[16:09.120 -> 16:11.920] are higher and that increases your discomfort as well.
[16:11.920 -> 16:13.440] What do they ask you?
[16:13.440 -> 16:17.760] Well, they're there to see how you're going to perform as an ambassador for space. They
[16:17.760 -> 16:22.240] do want to know the level of knowledge you've got, your passion and your commitment. They
[16:22.240 -> 16:27.840] want to know that you're the real deal. You're genuine, you're not somebody who's just thinks, hey, this is, you know, of course,
[16:27.840 -> 16:32.800] everyone wants to be an astronaut. I just want to give it a go and see how I get on.
[16:32.800 -> 16:39.520] They want to know that you're completely committed to the idea of what it is you're going to do,
[16:39.520 -> 16:43.360] because you have to be committed. It's going to be a lot of stress on you, it's going to be a
[16:43.360 -> 16:49.560] lot of stress on your family. And they want to find out, you know, if you've got what it takes
[16:49.560 -> 16:54.480] as an individual, but also how you'll come across in public as an ambassador for space.
[16:54.480 -> 16:57.600] Would you mind just sharing with us very quickly, because I think this is so interesting for
[16:57.600 -> 17:02.920] people listening to this that are searching for their thing. How do you convince someone
[17:02.920 -> 17:06.400] of your genuine credibility to do something?
[17:06.400 -> 17:07.600] What worked for you?
[17:07.600 -> 17:10.560] I think it's up to them to find that out about you.
[17:10.560 -> 17:13.360] So they'll be asking you the searching questions.
[17:13.360 -> 17:18.400] And I think your natural response, natural answer will give an indication of firstly,
[17:18.400 -> 17:20.080] the level of knowledge you have.
[17:20.080 -> 17:22.880] And clearly, if your level of knowledge is pretty shallow,
[17:22.880 -> 17:34.960] then you haven't had the passion to dig very deeply into the subject matter perhaps you should go look elsewhere so they're instantly going to get that from how you feel about it and i think
[17:34.960 -> 17:45.120] your answers as well i think if you're talking to anybody you can see when people like to you when you find it, when you find the right buttons to push, you can see when
[17:45.120 -> 17:50.560] people just light up and want to talk about a subject, they're passionate about a subject.
[17:50.560 -> 17:55.560] I remember hearing about Neil Armstrong and how he was sometimes a difficult character
[17:55.560 -> 18:00.680] to talk to. He was quite a closed book, a military test pilot mentality, and he spent
[18:00.680 -> 18:05.000] a lot of time thinking. And a lot of people said, oh, byddwch chi ddim yn cael llawer oddi nhw.
[18:05.000 -> 18:07.000] Ond, wyt ti'n gwybod, bydd y rhai eraill yn dweud, no, no, no,
[18:07.000 -> 18:11.000] gwirioneddol ddim, wyt ti'n gwybod, gael iddo ddweud am yr hyn y bydd eisiau ei wneud,
[18:11.000 -> 18:14.000] gael iddo ddweud am ymgeisyddiaeth, am dylunio, am y test,
[18:14.000 -> 18:17.000] ac fe fydd e'n gwneud y cyhoeddiad o'r ystafell.
[18:17.000 -> 18:20.000] Dyna pan ydych chi'n gwybod bod rhywun yn y peth arbennig.
[18:20.000 -> 18:46.240] Rwy'n credu y gafodd i chi llawer o ddarn o ddarn i'n rhannu gyda ni hefyd, Tim, hefyd yn rhannu rhai o'r cy'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, maelcheddol. Rwy'n credu eich bod llawer o wylysau y gallwch ni ddysgu
[18:46.240 -> 18:48.560] ynghylch sut y gallwn ni ddysgu yn y byd FUCA
[18:48.560 -> 18:51.200] sydd gennym llawer ohonyn nhw, efallai nid ar yr un sgiliau
[18:51.200 -> 18:53.600] y gallwch chi ei wneud o mewn i'r amser.
[18:53.600 -> 18:55.240] Felly sut wnaethech chi geisio eich myned,
[18:55.240 -> 18:57.840] geisio eich hymdrech, geisio eich cyfathrebu
[18:57.840 -> 18:59.680] pan ddim yn gwybod a oeddech chi'n gwybod
[18:59.680 -> 19:01.360] y byddwch chi'n cael y trwyl hwn
[19:01.360 -> 19:03.320] ac yna i gael i mewn i'r amser?
[19:03.320 -> 19:04.880] Yn unig, rwy'n credu yw
[19:04.880 -> 19:07.520] ynghylch ymddirwneud ag anhygoel.
[19:07.520 -> 19:11.040] Mae anhygoel a rhisg, ac rwy'n credu y gallwch ddweud eu bod yn yr unig.
[19:11.040 -> 19:16.080] Ond rwy'n ymdrech i'w ddod o'r ffordd fel bod anhygoel yn y pethau y mae gennych,
[19:16.080 -> 19:18.320] dydyn chi ddim yn gwybod eu bod yn dod, dydych chi ddim yn gynllunio,
[19:18.320 -> 19:22.320] er mwyn ymwneud â rhisg, efallai, y pethau y gallwch chi ymdrechu,
[19:22.320 -> 19:24.000] pan ydych chi'n gwybod y byddwch chi'n cymryd rhisg,
[19:24.000 -> 19:27.360] gallwch chi sefyll, gallwch chi analysu, gallwch chi rhoi cyfrifoldeb arno, that you can quantify when you absolutely know you're taking a risk. You can sit down, you can analyze it, you can put a probability against it and then
[19:27.360 -> 19:31.520] make an informed decision as to whether you're willing to take that risk or not.
[19:31.520 -> 19:37.680] But in terms of the uncertainty of life, I think you can try and protect yourself against
[19:37.680 -> 19:41.000] that by just thinking about the various outcomes.
[19:41.000 -> 19:43.220] What would be a positive outcome for you?
[19:43.220 -> 19:44.960] What would be a negative outcome for you?
[19:44.960 -> 19:45.320] And I remember going through, speaking to my wife, outcome for you, what would be a negative outcome for you.
[19:45.320 -> 19:49.640] And I remember going to, speaking to my wife saying, look, there's no guarantee of a trip
[19:49.640 -> 19:50.640] to space.
[19:50.640 -> 19:53.240] I could be giving up my career as a test pilot.
[19:53.240 -> 19:57.240] I could spend 10 years with the space agency and never fly.
[19:57.240 -> 19:59.400] How do I reconcile myself with that?
[19:59.400 -> 20:02.560] And how do I continue to see this as a positive experience?
[20:02.560 -> 20:05.320] And the answer to that was to embrace
[20:05.320 -> 20:07.420] every opportunity that came my way,
[20:07.420 -> 20:10.480] to look at the training that I was about to receive
[20:10.480 -> 20:15.480] as incredibly valuable, and to be able to build on that.
[20:15.480 -> 20:17.960] So in 10 years time, if I was in the situation
[20:17.960 -> 20:20.800] where I hadn't flown, I would actually still have
[20:20.800 -> 20:23.280] additional skill sets to be able to go on
[20:23.280 -> 20:25.000] and use in other industries in
[20:25.000 -> 20:29.360] to further my career whether in the space agency or elsewhere. So it's a case
[20:29.360 -> 20:33.360] of looking at those possible outcomes and just making sure that there are
[20:33.360 -> 20:37.920] always a positive ways out of a situation. If it was all about going to
[20:37.920 -> 20:41.200] space and space never happened and the whole thing becomes a waste of time and I
[20:41.200 -> 20:44.680] think there's probably a key lesson for lots of our listeners there. Absolutely I
[20:44.680 -> 20:47.760] think perhaps some of my peers would have given a different answer to
[20:47.760 -> 20:52.720] that. Because if you're so invested in becoming an astronaut, if you're so invested in going to
[20:52.720 -> 20:57.600] space, there's a bitter disappointment of not making it. And I'm not saying that there wouldn't
[20:57.600 -> 21:06.040] have been a huge disappointment in my case. But right from the outset, I was also thinking that there would be positives
[21:06.040 -> 21:11.600] and I would be able to see a path through that would be for me a positive
[21:11.600 -> 21:15.080] path and I'd be able to build on that and still go on and still do something
[21:15.080 -> 21:19.040] with my life. So what would you say then Tim is the greatest lesson that you
[21:19.040 -> 21:22.840] learned on that journey to become an astronaut that you brought back to Earth
[21:22.840 -> 21:29.440] and you still apply to this day? I think the most valuable lesson is is i ddod yn astronawt, y gwnaethoch chi'n ei ddod yn ôl i'r blynyddoedd ac y gwnaethoch chi'n ymddangos ar hyn o bryd? Rwy'n credu yw'r gwersi mwyaf pwysig yw gweithio ar y perspectif, ac mae hynny'n rhywbeth
[21:29.440 -> 21:34.800] sy'n newid i chi pan ydych chi'n mynd i'r amgueddfa. Mae gennych y cyfle i edrych yn ôl ar y blynyddoedd
[21:34.800 -> 21:41.120] a chdiwch chi'n iseledig ar gyfer 6 mlynedd, ymdrech o'i gilydd, ac mae hynny'n newid
[21:41.120 -> 21:47.920] eich perspectif. Mae'n newid eich perspectif ar, wyt ti'n gwybod, pa fyddwn ni ac sut rydyn ni'n gweithio, And that changes your perspective. It changes your perspective on who we are and how we operate.
[21:47.920 -> 21:53.720] And just our location in the solar system, you can see Mars, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn,
[21:53.720 -> 21:59.200] and it puts everything literally into perspective and it gives you a fresh appreciation of what
[21:59.200 -> 22:00.600] life in the universe is all about.
[22:00.600 -> 22:02.080] It gives you time to think about that.
[22:02.080 -> 22:09.520] I think it makes you a much calmer person and it enables you to take things in your stride. yw'r holl beth. Mae'n rhoi amser i chi feddwl am hynny. Rwy'n credu ei fod yn gwneud eich bod chi'n person mwy ymdrech a mae'n gallu i chi ddweud pethau yn eich cymryd. Rwyf wedi bod yn
[22:09.520 -> 22:15.680] ymdrech iawn ac wedi'i ddeall gyda'r anoddbwynt a'r cymeriadau, er enghraifft, yn dda iawn, ond
[22:15.680 -> 22:18.960] gan dod yn ôl o'r amgueddfa, rwy'n credu ei fod wedi'i ddweud i'w lefel gwahanol. Felly,
[22:18.960 -> 22:23.920] ym mhobl, rwy'n credu mai'n unig yw'r ymdrech ar gyfer y problemau y mae'n
[22:23.920 -> 22:27.760] ymdrech ar hyn o bryd a gallu cyraedd â nhw a gallu ymdrechu â nhw.
[22:27.760 -> 22:30.000] Dyna'r cyfrif ffasaf, oherwydd
[22:30.000 -> 22:32.560] pan roeddwn i'n llythyr ar eich biograffiaeth,
[22:32.560 -> 22:35.840] beth sydd wedi fy ymdrin â mi oedd y marn o bobl sydd wedi mynd i'r hysbytai,
[22:35.840 -> 22:40.320] os oedd yna Charlie Duke, sy'n dod yn ôl gyda chyfathrebu o ffaith Christian,
[22:40.320 -> 22:43.360] neu Jim Irwin, sy'n dod yn ôl i ddod yn ddarlithwr,
[22:43.360 -> 22:46.300] ac roedd pob un ohonyn nhw wedi siarad am y newid o ddarlith. or Jim Irwin that came back to become a preacher and each of them had spoke about that changing
[22:46.300 -> 22:51.400] perspective of seeing the world from space, had sort of altered their way of thinking.
[22:51.400 -> 22:54.560] So did you have a similar moment like that of realization?
[22:54.560 -> 22:55.560] Yeah, definitely.
[22:55.560 -> 23:00.880] And for me, it wasn't a spiritual or a religious feeling.
[23:00.880 -> 23:04.400] Although I know that, as you mentioned there, some astronauts have.
[23:04.400 -> 23:09.440] They've even quantified this as calling it the overview effect, this cognitive shift
[23:09.440 -> 23:14.680] in awareness of going into space and seeing the planet.
[23:14.680 -> 23:19.680] And I did, and I think every astronaut does have that shift in perspective.
[23:19.680 -> 23:24.040] But certainly out on the spacewalk, there was this moment when I was just looking back
[23:24.040 -> 23:27.480] down and we had a few minutes with nothing to do but just to wait for the
[23:27.480 -> 23:31.640] Sun to go down before we fix the solar panels and Tim Kopra and myself were
[23:31.640 -> 23:34.960] there left to take some photographs and float at the very edge of the space
[23:34.960 -> 23:38.680] station and you're looking off into the universe in one direction off to this
[23:38.680 -> 23:43.640] sort of black infinity and then looking the other direction down at planet Earth.
[23:43.640 -> 23:50.560] And it just makes you think on the one hand hand, it's, you know, we're tiny and we're insignificant.
[23:50.560 -> 23:55.640] You know, here we are, just this speck of light in the universe as planet Earth.
[23:55.640 -> 23:58.360] But on the other hand, you think, well, hang on a second, we are the universe.
[23:58.360 -> 24:02.360] I'm floating here in the universe, but the universe created me, literally from stardust,
[24:02.360 -> 24:05.520] all the elements that we know of created in neutron
[24:05.520 -> 24:07.920] star collisions and in supernovae.
[24:07.920 -> 24:13.160] And they've all formed over billions of years, these atoms have all formed into a conscious
[24:13.160 -> 24:18.920] being that can self-reflect, that can ask questions about itself, about how did I get
[24:18.920 -> 24:21.760] here into space, floating here.
[24:21.760 -> 24:23.520] But I'm the universe that's put me in space.
[24:23.520 -> 24:30.600] I am the universe has put me in space. I am the universe. So you think, you know, I think the universe is meaningless without life, without
[24:30.600 -> 24:35.080] conscious life to be able to think about this and self-reflect. It makes the
[24:35.080 -> 24:39.680] universe meaningless, frankly. So when you think of it in that way, it makes us
[24:39.680 -> 24:46.480] incredibly special. Now we may not be the only conscious life-forms in the universe but
[24:46.480 -> 24:50.320] we are at the moment the only ones we know of and I think that's very
[24:50.320 -> 24:54.480] important it makes us you know very special indeed. What a lovely answer. One
[24:54.480 -> 24:58.120] thing that these conscious beings also need is trust and trust in those around
[24:58.120 -> 25:01.720] them. So before I ask this question just a few quick technical questions if I may.
[25:01.720 -> 25:09.440] When you did your spacewalk how far above the earth were you? I was 400 kilometers above the earth. And what was connecting you to the International
[25:09.440 -> 25:15.360] Space Station at that moment? Well at times you have just your hands when you're moving,
[25:16.160 -> 25:22.400] so that's when you don't want to slip, but we also do have a thin steel tether that's like on a
[25:22.400 -> 25:27.760] fishing reel, so as we move along it unwinds and that goes back to an anchor point.
[25:27.960 -> 25:30.840] That's kind of a last line of defense.
[25:30.840 -> 25:34.160] If we do fall off, we'll be able to hopefully, you know, pull
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[28:31.280 -> 28:38.800] details. How naturally did it come to you to have to put your entire life and
[28:38.800 -> 28:43.100] really the lives of your family as well because they would have been they'd be
[28:43.100 -> 28:48.320] lost without you, to put that trust in the hands of people, to accept that you're going into space, to accept
[28:48.320 -> 28:52.560] you're going to be tethered to a space station, to know the risks that are involved, did that
[28:52.560 -> 28:57.920] trust in others come easily to you? It did, it's a gradual process of course. By the time you
[28:57.920 -> 29:03.360] actually go out to do a spacewalk, you don't even think about those things because you, it's been so
[29:03.360 -> 29:06.760] long in training, in preparing,
[29:06.760 -> 29:10.720] and at that point you have so much trust in the people back in mission control, about
[29:10.720 -> 29:15.320] your crewmates inside the space station and the person you're going outside the space
[29:15.320 -> 29:20.520] station with, and really as a pair, you know, your lives completely depend on each other.
[29:20.520 -> 29:30.280] But that's not at the forefront of your mind because you've done this 30 times in the pool back in Houston and you've worked with these people and it actually feels like just a natural day at the
[29:30.280 -> 29:34.360] Office here I go today's spacewalk day and you're ready for it and you're prepared for it
[29:34.520 -> 29:39.560] You are of course a completely aware of the heightened level of risk when you go outside
[29:39.560 -> 29:45.200] I think that you know, most astronauts would say the feeling of danger is palpable when you're
[29:45.200 -> 29:46.200] there.
[29:46.200 -> 29:47.200] You're in a vacuum.
[29:47.200 -> 29:50.880] There's no quick and easy way of getting back inside the space station.
[29:50.880 -> 29:52.600] You can have a problem with your suit.
[29:52.600 -> 29:56.680] You could be hit by a piece of debris, micrometeorite.
[29:56.680 -> 30:01.400] We've had a couple of issues with water even coming into the helmet and flooding the helmet
[30:01.400 -> 30:03.000] with astronauts still inside there.
[30:03.000 -> 30:06.100] So you're aware that you're putting yourself in danger,
[30:06.100 -> 30:08.740] but you've asked yourself all of the difficult questions
[30:08.740 -> 30:10.580] many, many months ago.
[30:10.580 -> 30:14.300] I think, you know, astronauts have a natural affinity
[30:14.300 -> 30:16.340] to be able to perhaps handle a bit more risk
[30:16.340 -> 30:19.220] than other people might be willing to take on.
[30:19.220 -> 30:22.700] And when you are operating with that level of risk,
[30:22.700 -> 30:25.520] how did you learn to share your thoughts when you
[30:25.520 -> 30:29.260] weren't happy with a process or a person or a decision?
[30:29.260 -> 30:34.120] Yeah it's really important that you're always self-critiquing, you're analysing
[30:34.120 -> 30:39.060] and coming from a test pilot background that's exactly what we do as test pilots
[30:39.060 -> 30:43.460] we're constantly analysing the risk, mitigating it and speaking up about it.
[30:43.460 -> 30:45.680] Nobody ever stays quiet if they think that there's a better way of doing Analyzing the risk mitigating it and speaking up about it. No nobody ever
[30:52.440 -> 30:53.440] Stays quiet if they think that there's a better way of doing something or if we're taking on too much risk
[30:58.240 -> 31:05.060] And it's an all-informed decision that you might be going on a high-risk trial But everybody will know exactly what the risks we think we're going to expect are. So in that environment we're
[31:05.060 -> 31:11.040] trained to always speak up and to have this very honest and open platform
[31:11.040 -> 31:15.560] and we've always debrief when we come back after a flight, when we come back
[31:15.560 -> 31:21.280] after a spacewalk or after a spaceflight. We spend a lot of time analyzing and
[31:21.280 -> 31:24.800] debriefing and making sure that if there were problems that they don't happen
[31:24.800 -> 31:28.740] again in the future. And how did you deal with hierarchy when it came
[31:28.740 -> 31:34.160] to giving feedback? Hierarchy in the space industry is actually interesting because
[31:34.160 -> 31:39.880] it's it's very flat. We're all fully trained, fully qualified astronauts. Yes
[31:39.880 -> 31:44.720] there's a commander of the space station but actually if things run well the
[31:44.720 -> 31:45.480] commander doesn't have to do anything different than any of the space station, but actually if things run well, the commander doesn't
[31:45.480 -> 31:48.920] have to do anything different than any of the other crew members.
[31:48.920 -> 31:52.880] You have a commander of the Soyuz capsule when you fly to and from the space station,
[31:52.880 -> 31:57.080] but again, you know, if things are going well, really there's no need for the commander to
[31:57.080 -> 32:00.240] actually assert any command authority.
[32:00.240 -> 32:04.640] So it's a very flat hierarchy and we're all empowered to speak up.
[32:04.640 -> 32:05.600] And you've also got
[32:05.600 -> 32:09.880] the international element as well, working with Russians, with Canadians, with Japanese,
[32:09.880 -> 32:14.320] with Europeans and Americans, which is a different atmosphere to when I was in the military,
[32:14.320 -> 32:20.160] which does have a strong hierarchy, but then the military often puts you in situations
[32:20.160 -> 32:29.520] where you need that sort of pyramid structure and you need that hierarchy in order for really difficult decisions to be executed. In the space industry
[32:29.520 -> 32:32.600] it was interesting, you know, shifting from that military environment into a
[32:32.600 -> 32:34.440] much flatter environment.
[32:34.440 -> 32:37.760] I was going to ask about the cultural differences as well then,
[32:37.760 -> 32:42.400] because there was the famous example where pilots, I think it was some Korean
[32:42.400 -> 32:45.200] pilots, felt challenging the senior pilot
[32:45.200 -> 32:49.720] wasn't done within their culture. So the aviation industry had to retrain pilots
[32:49.720 -> 32:55.200] of how do you give feedback regardless of your own conditioning or your culture.
[32:55.200 -> 33:00.280] So how did you train as astronauts to be able to give that feedback and still
[33:00.280 -> 33:03.720] appreciate the diversity of nations and cultures that were doing that?
[33:03.720 -> 33:07.920] Yeah, I mean that's a really interesting point. The aviation industry has had some
[33:07.920 -> 33:12.960] really tough lessons in learning how to do this better and, you know, crew resource management,
[33:12.960 -> 33:17.520] as we call it in the aviation industry, is very, very important. And it goes back to, you know,
[33:17.520 -> 33:23.600] one of the worst disasters ever in Tenerife with the two 747s colliding on the runway.
[33:23.600 -> 33:25.600] And there was again a very strong
[33:25.600 -> 33:31.520] cockpit gradient as it would be called between a very senior KLM captain and a very junior
[33:31.520 -> 33:37.920] first officer who knew that they didn't really have proper clearance to take off, but didn't
[33:37.920 -> 33:46.160] feel empowered to actually override the captain who went full throttle and basically caused the collision.
[33:46.160 -> 33:51.320] And since that, the aviation industry has analyzed what it does and why it does it,
[33:51.320 -> 33:57.560] and has actually made huge strides in improving crew resource management.
[33:57.560 -> 34:02.520] And as astronauts, we take the aviation industry as a model as to how to build on.
[34:02.520 -> 34:08.640] We use a lot of the same lessons to improve how we communicate with each other y diwydiant yw model ar gyfer sut i ddewis. Rydyn ni'n defnyddio llawer o'r un ysgolion i wella sut y gydag un yn cyfathrebu gyda'n un ac sut y gallwn
[34:08.640 -> 34:13.040] wneud penderfyniadau ac i sicrhau nad yw'r sefyllfa hwnnw'n digwydd
[34:13.040 -> 34:15.760] lle mae rhywun yn teimlo eu bod yn gallu siarad.
[34:15.760 -> 34:19.120] Felly os oes unrhyw un yn clywed y cyfathrebu hwnnw, a oes gennych chi'n rannu gyda ni
[34:19.120 -> 34:22.320] sut y byddaient yn gallu rhoi'r cyfeiriad i
[34:22.320 -> 34:25.240] cymdeithas neu rhywun efallai mwy o'u hynny o'r ifran oedd yn gallu rhoi'r cymorth i'r cyfran
[34:25.240 -> 34:29.960] neu i rywun efallai mwy o'n syniadau nad oeddent yn teimlo eu bod yn cael syniad neu cynllun sy'n angen cael ei glywed?
[34:29.960 -> 34:35.240] Ie, rwy'n credu ei fod yn bwysig i feddwl am sut y byddwch chi'n mynd i ddweud y syniad hwnnw.
[34:35.240 -> 34:42.080] Bydd pob syniad yn wahanol, sut y gwyliwch chi'r person, sut mwy o syniadau, neu cyfran, efallai,
[34:42.080 -> 34:45.080] a sut y gallwch chi ei gynhyrchu i mewn i ffyrdd sy'n ffyrdd agored i'w gynnyrchu, and how you can package it into a way that is an acceptable way to raise it,
[34:45.080 -> 34:47.280] but isn't going to cause you any problems
[34:47.280 -> 34:50.100] or isn't gonna cause unnecessary offense.
[34:50.940 -> 34:54.520] And so it's very hard to give specific examples
[34:54.520 -> 34:57.760] when every single situation is going to be different
[34:57.760 -> 35:00.680] and they're gonna be different factors involved.
[35:00.680 -> 35:04.520] But I think it's always helps to be able to frame something
[35:04.520 -> 35:07.000] in a positive way and to be able to bring a solution.
[35:07.000 -> 35:14.000] So if you raise something, you're able to give your solution to what you perceive as the problem.
[35:14.000 -> 35:25.820] So you're not just bringing up a problem, but you're bringing your point of view with it and why you think that that is important to do it differently. So if you can articulate it in a very well
[35:25.820 -> 35:30.220] rounded package and show that you're not just representing your point of view,
[35:30.220 -> 35:32.960] you've actually thought of other people's point of views and
[35:32.960 -> 35:38.180] having analysed that, this is why I think we could do it better because I think it
[35:38.180 -> 35:42.680] just makes it less confrontational, it makes it easier for people to appreciate
[35:42.680 -> 35:47.400] that you have actually considered a whole range of different topics.
[35:47.400 -> 35:52.120] Great, very useful advice. One of the things you mentioned earlier Tim when
[35:52.120 -> 35:55.720] when you were going through the program to become an astronaut you said there
[35:55.720 -> 36:00.920] says everything my ability to lead my risk-taking strategy how I make
[36:00.920 -> 36:04.840] decisions I'd love to just dive into a few of those if we can. First of all what
[36:04.840 -> 36:08.280] you believe makes a good leader? I think a good leader starts off
[36:08.280 -> 36:14.360] their journey as a good listener because leadership is all about learning first
[36:14.360 -> 36:19.240] of all. Nobody gets thrown straight into a leadership position. So it's a case of
[36:19.240 -> 36:24.560] understanding people, it's a case of understanding what their priorities are
[36:24.560 -> 36:25.920] and how they
[36:25.920 -> 36:30.480] perform to the best of their ability and then as a leader you're the one who
[36:30.480 -> 36:37.520] motivates who encourages who gives clear direction who empowers people beneath
[36:37.520 -> 36:41.280] you and gets the best out of them I guess it comes back to this high
[36:41.280 -> 36:44.800] performance the question you asked me at the very beginning of the podcast it's
[36:44.800 -> 36:46.280] about people reaching
[36:46.280 -> 36:47.680] their full potential.
[36:47.680 -> 36:50.280] The best leaders will enable the people
[36:50.280 -> 36:52.880] that they're leading to reach their full potential.
[36:52.880 -> 36:55.200] Okay, so that's leadership, decision making.
[36:55.200 -> 36:58.400] You know, you've had to make pretty big decisions
[36:58.400 -> 37:00.360] under pretty tight circumstances,
[37:00.360 -> 37:02.120] but actually I think just because you've made
[37:02.120 -> 37:04.120] a decision in space that could impact your life
[37:04.120 -> 37:05.220] or the lives of those around you
[37:05.300 -> 37:09.380] It's no different to the kinds of decisions that our listeners are taking every day
[37:09.380 -> 37:12.900] So what is your advice for people the decision-making?
[37:12.900 -> 37:16.820] I mean it falls into different categories in terms of how urgent the decision is
[37:17.700 -> 37:21.860] And if it's an emergency situation, then we rely more on
[37:22.940 -> 37:26.400] Intuition and experience to be able to make a quick
[37:26.400 -> 37:27.640] decision.
[37:27.640 -> 37:29.640] We need to know the facts quickly.
[37:29.640 -> 37:34.680] We need to consider options quickly, analyze those options, and then take action.
[37:34.680 -> 37:40.880] And that's broken down sometimes into a matter of just seconds if it's dealing with a fire,
[37:40.880 -> 37:43.960] a depressurization, an engine failure, whatever it might be.
[37:43.960 -> 37:49.160] And then there are the more strategic decisions where you might be working as a company
[37:49.160 -> 37:53.520] with a board of directors and you might spend months before you actually make a
[37:53.520 -> 37:58.800] decision on a certain topic. Or if it's a personal decision you might be moving
[37:58.800 -> 38:02.680] house and you might consider that as a family for again a matter of weeks
[38:02.680 -> 38:05.080] before you make a decision. And I think
[38:05.080 -> 38:11.000] the most important thing is to firstly make sure that you're answering the right question
[38:11.000 -> 38:17.280] and to put it in the right frame, if you like. So often people will come to you with a yes,
[38:17.280 -> 38:22.280] no decision. Shall we do this? Yes or no. And actually step back and say, well, actually,
[38:22.280 -> 38:26.760] I don't like a yes, no decision. Let's think about what it is we're trying to do.
[38:26.760 -> 38:30.000] I want at least four options, not just yes, no.
[38:30.000 -> 38:32.360] So what is it that we're trying to achieve here?
[38:32.360 -> 38:33.960] And then when you've got a number of options,
[38:33.960 -> 38:36.760] you then have to obviously analyze the pros and cons,
[38:36.760 -> 38:38.600] the advantages, disadvantages,
[38:38.600 -> 38:40.840] and you can only do that if you're well-informed.
[38:40.840 -> 38:43.920] Otherwise, you've got a poorly informed decision process.
[38:43.920 -> 38:48.680] So information gathering can take a huge amount of time and then assigning kind
[38:48.680 -> 38:53.200] of a probability matrix as to which option might be the best as well. So
[38:53.200 -> 38:57.000] this can go on for a long, long period of time depending on what it is the
[38:57.000 -> 39:02.040] decision you need to do and then of course the action and actually
[39:02.040 -> 39:07.160] executing the decision. So it really depends on how long
[39:07.160 -> 39:08.800] your decision-making process is.
[39:08.800 -> 39:10.080] But I think one of the first things
[39:10.080 -> 39:12.920] is to make sure you're answering the right problem.
[39:12.920 -> 39:15.360] And the final one of the three was risk-taking.
[39:15.360 -> 39:18.800] I suppose firstly, do you consider yourself a risk-taker?
[39:18.800 -> 39:22.240] And secondly, is that a valuable thing
[39:22.240 -> 39:24.560] to be someone that can take risks?
[39:24.560 -> 39:26.700] Because I think for a lot of people listen to this podcast,
[39:26.700 -> 39:29.000] they get in touch and say they'd love to do X Y or Z,
[39:29.000 -> 39:32.300] but it's fear and fear of the risk that is stopping.
[39:32.300 -> 39:33.700] In terms of risk-taking,
[39:33.700 -> 39:36.700] it comes down to you, your personal appetite to risk,
[39:36.700 -> 39:38.400] but also as an organization,
[39:38.400 -> 39:41.200] what your appetite for risk is as well.
[39:41.200 -> 39:44.800] You might work in a high-risk organization,
[39:44.800 -> 39:46.640] but you're not comfortable taking the
[39:46.640 -> 39:50.800] risk yourself but somebody in the company is going to take the risk doesn't stop you from
[39:50.800 -> 39:56.800] working in that organization so so the it's important that the the company in the organization
[39:56.800 -> 40:06.520] has a very clear understanding of the risk and their appetite for risk is not just articulated to everybody, but the management is in a position
[40:06.520 -> 40:13.040] to enforce that and actually support everybody at that level of risk.
[40:13.040 -> 40:17.880] And then it comes down to once everybody understands what level of risk people are prepared to
[40:17.880 -> 40:19.680] accept and at what stage.
[40:19.680 -> 40:23.640] I mean, if you look at a company like SpaceX, for example, they're brilliant to analyze
[40:23.640 -> 40:28.240] because they're very happy to take a large risk in the early stages of
[40:28.240 -> 40:33.720] research and development. Elon Musk giving his own rockets a 50% chance of
[40:33.720 -> 40:39.200] success. Well that's fine if you're in an environment where failure is going to
[40:39.200 -> 40:44.400] give you the learning experience you need to actually succeed and it actually
[40:44.400 -> 40:47.240] enables you to discount other options
[40:47.240 -> 40:49.120] and not spend huge amounts of money
[40:49.120 -> 40:51.920] pursuing those options at the early stage.
[40:51.920 -> 40:53.160] It gives you a clear indication
[40:53.160 -> 40:54.900] of the direction you need to go in.
[40:54.900 -> 40:56.820] But then later on, when you've got, you know,
[40:56.820 -> 40:59.360] crew flying on SpaceX to the space station,
[40:59.360 -> 41:03.080] of course you're not prepared to take that level of risk.
[41:03.080 -> 41:04.340] And so it's all about, you know,
[41:04.340 -> 41:06.000] what level of risk are you prepared to take at what stage yn ystod y rhan fwyaf o'r risg a'r rhan fwyaf o'r risg y byddwch chi'n ymdrechu i ddod allan ar unrhyw le.
[41:06.000 -> 41:10.000] Ac yn sicrhau bod hynny'n deunyddol hefyd. Fel pilot test, mae'n rhywbeth rydw i wedi ei wneud
[41:10.000 -> 41:16.000] y byd iawn, yw analysu'r risg rydw i'n ei ddod allan, ei ddysgu i'r
[41:16.000 -> 41:22.000] llaw i'r rhan fwyaf y gallwn, ac yna gwneud penderfyniad gwybodol. Ydw i'n ymdrechu i ddod allan ar y risg hwnnw?
[41:22.000 -> 41:27.120] Felly gallaf gofio i chi am ystudio cas, Tim,
[41:27.120 -> 41:29.560] sy'n rhoi'r element personol
[41:29.560 -> 41:31.560] ar y top o'r holl ffactorau o ddewis,
[41:31.560 -> 41:34.440] cymryd llwyddiant a gwneud penderfyniad,
[41:34.440 -> 41:36.920] o ran y sgwrsau y byddwch chi wedi'u cael
[41:36.920 -> 41:38.880] yn y casle i ddod i'r cyfraith
[41:38.880 -> 41:41.360] y byddwch chi'n mynd i fynd allan i'r amser am siws mlynedd
[41:41.360 -> 41:43.560] a byddwch chi'n mynd i ffwrdd i Rusia
[41:43.560 -> 41:44.920] a pethau fel hynny.
[41:44.920 -> 41:47.360] A allwch chi ddweud wrthym ychyd am sut y gyntaf i chi a'ch ffrain
[41:47.360 -> 41:50.400] dod i'r penderfyniadau hynny? Oherwydd, o'r gwybod,
[41:50.400 -> 41:53.840] rhai ohonyn nhw efallai yn ymdrech, neu efallai ychydig
[41:53.840 -> 41:57.120] yn ego-centrif, fod eich bod yn ei wneud, ond yn amlwg,
[41:57.120 -> 41:59.040] dwi'n gwybod eich bod gennych ddau o flynyddoedd hefyd.
[41:59.040 -> 42:00.800] Os gallech chi ddod i ni i gyd i ddarno'n sylw i sut
[42:00.800 -> 42:03.280] y gallwch nhw ddod i'r gwrthdreth, byddai'n ffasynadol.
[42:03.280 -> 42:08.640] Ie, ac rwy'n credu boddu bod e'n bwysig iawn bod chi'n cymhwysol fel uned o'r teulu,
[42:08.640 -> 42:12.720] ac wrth gwrs, pan ddewisais Rebecca, roeddwn i'n pilot,
[42:12.720 -> 42:15.920] ac roedd hi'n deall ymlaen i'r lle y byddai fy mhrebuau.
[42:15.920 -> 42:18.960] Ac mewn gwirionedd, yn y cyfan dwy flynedd o ddathlu,
[42:18.960 -> 42:22.400] roedd Rebecca yn mynd i Kosovo a Bosnia ar weithdrau,
[42:22.400 -> 42:24.800] ac nid i mi, felly roeddwn i hefyd yn fwy cyfartal gyda ni,
[42:24.800 -> 42:28.400] yn cael ei rhoi i lefelau gynhyrchol. going off to Kosovo and Bosnia on operations and not me. So I was also very familiar with her being put into high-risk situations.
[42:28.400 -> 42:31.000] And so I think as a couple,
[42:31.000 -> 42:33.840] we've always had a similar outlook on life.
[42:33.840 -> 42:36.240] And so we've never had to have difficult decisions
[42:36.240 -> 42:37.060] about this.
[42:37.060 -> 42:41.880] In fact, she's always pushing me to grasp these opportunities
[42:41.880 -> 42:46.080] and she's been a hugely supporting influence in my life. So
[42:46.080 -> 42:50.480] it's never been a difficult decision. In fact, it would be a really difficult decision to not
[42:50.480 -> 42:56.160] do something and to then not sit there and resent the fact that you didn't. I mean,
[42:56.160 -> 43:00.800] when it came to, you know, shall I accept this role as becoming an astronaut, you know, the
[43:00.800 -> 43:05.880] question was how could you possibly not not it's such an incredible opportunity
[43:06.600 -> 43:10.480] So I'm very fortunate to have the support of my family
[43:11.620 -> 43:15.240] but then obviously since becoming an astronaut two children have come along and
[43:15.480 -> 43:19.720] Becoming a father really does change you and you realize that you have huge responsibilities
[43:20.280 -> 43:25.200] And and that makes the decisions that much harder and yes, you know to a degree
[43:26.080 -> 43:29.060] Space flight is selfish high-risk activities are selfish
[43:29.060 -> 43:34.320] But I think that you know people have to do it and and you have to be honest about who you are
[43:34.320 -> 43:40.180] You have to be honest to yourself and you have to be honest to your family about who you are about why you do things
[43:40.180 -> 43:42.180] I would never as a
[43:42.360 -> 43:47.700] Son, I would never like to think that my father held himself back from doing something
[43:47.700 -> 43:52.160] Or my mother held herself back from doing something because of me, you know
[43:52.160 -> 43:57.300] And I think that's the same way my children would would would see the situation as well
[43:57.660 -> 44:03.560] You've spoken a little bit about perspectives and how seeing the world from orbit help you change your perspective
[44:03.800 -> 44:07.500] Would you tell us a bit about what becoming a father did then for your perspective?
[44:07.500 -> 44:12.500] Yeah, it surprised me actually because it changed me a lot more than I thought.
[44:12.500 -> 44:19.500] It just, in terms of as every parent will know, that you have this love for an individual
[44:19.500 -> 44:24.500] that you never thought was possible and this desire to protect them, to nurture them
[44:24.500 -> 44:28.200] and to allow them to grow up and experience the things that you never thought was possible, and this desire to protect them, to nurture them, and to allow them to grow up and experience the things
[44:28.200 -> 44:29.720] that you have, too.
[44:29.720 -> 44:32.480] And that gives you a responsibility
[44:32.480 -> 44:34.840] that you didn't otherwise have.
[44:34.840 -> 44:36.960] And so when you're making decisions
[44:36.960 -> 44:39.000] that place your life in danger, it's
[44:39.000 -> 44:42.080] not just a case of thinking about yourself
[44:42.080 -> 44:47.000] or your adult partner who has a different skill set to be able to deal with it. o feddwl am eich hun neu'ch gwrs adolbwyr sydd â sgiliau gwahanol i allu ymdrech arno.
[44:47.000 -> 44:50.000] Rydych chi nawr yn meddwl am, beth am fy mhlydd,
[44:50.000 -> 44:53.000] a sut y byddai'n ymdrech arno, a sut fyddai'n effeithio ar eu bywydau.
[44:53.000 -> 44:56.000] Ac mae hynny'n newid y dynamig o ddewis.
[44:56.000 -> 44:59.000] Mae'n golygu bod mwy ar y brif,
[44:59.000 -> 45:03.000] os yw peth yn mynd yn iawn, sy'n gwneud ei wneud yn ddifrifol.
[45:03.000 -> 45:31.020] Felly, a oedd gennych chi bob amser yn ymdrech â'r pethau sy'n ymwneud â'r pethau sy'n ymwneud â'r pethau sy'n ymwneud â'r pethau sy'n ymwneud â'r pethau sy'n ymwneud â'r pethau sy'n ymwneud â'r pethau sy'n ymwneud â'r pethau sy'n ymwneud â'r pethau sy'n ymwneud â'r pethau sy'n ymwneud â'r pethau sy'n ymwneud â'r pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ymwneud ag y pethau sy'n ym considered it incredibly carefully and made sure like I would anyway that we're doing things in the most sensible way and the safest possible way but you know
[45:31.020 -> 45:38.080] I still ride a motorbike I still fly aircraft you know recently I had a
[45:38.080 -> 45:42.640] chance to fly the jetpack I'll take those opportunities I'll give it a go
[45:42.640 -> 45:47.160] that's who I am and and I I know my children wouldn't want me
[45:47.160 -> 45:48.680] to be anybody different.
[45:48.680 -> 45:51.560] And where did it come from, this comfort
[45:51.560 -> 45:55.080] with pushing yourself physically and mentally to the limit,
[45:55.080 -> 45:57.520] not sitting in the comfy chair, as we spoke about earlier,
[45:57.520 -> 45:59.360] whether that's becoming a test pilot,
[45:59.360 -> 46:00.520] escape and evasion training,
[46:00.520 -> 46:03.360] or the opportunity now to have a go on a jet pack.
[46:03.360 -> 46:11.200] Where did this mindset come from, or was it always there? I think it's always there. I think that some people will knowingly push themselves
[46:11.200 -> 46:16.160] out of their comfort zone. And I think that's great. And other people, you know, naturally have
[46:16.160 -> 46:21.920] a higher level of tolerance for doing high risk activities. I've never considered myself an
[46:21.920 -> 46:28.880] adrenaline junkie. I've never gone searching for the next, you know, the parachute jumping, the bungee jumping,
[46:28.880 -> 46:35.440] this constant kind of need to feed some sort of adrenaline buzz. But I am
[46:35.440 -> 46:41.960] also aware that I'm comfortable in high-risk situations, you know, but I do
[46:41.960 -> 46:45.540] it, I think, from a more methodical point of view, but I have a high
[46:45.540 -> 46:48.580] tolerance for comfort in high-risk situations.
[46:48.580 -> 46:52.420] Relating back to your book Limitless, we use a phrase called infinite purpose.
[46:52.420 -> 46:56.180] It was given to us by one of our guests on the podcast called Suzy Ma, who's an entrepreneur,
[46:56.180 -> 47:00.220] and she says she wakes up every day and she has an infinite purpose, so a plan for her
[47:00.220 -> 47:02.300] life that has no end.
[47:02.300 -> 47:07.700] If I was to ask you what your infinite purpose is now with all the things you've achieved, what would you say?
[47:07.700 -> 47:16.220] That's a really tough question. I mean it is, I guess it goes back to
[47:16.220 -> 47:21.540] fulfilling potential and I think that I don't feel I have yet. I feel I've
[47:21.540 -> 47:25.320] got a lot more to learn, hopefully a lot more to give as well.
[47:25.320 -> 47:30.080] The interesting thing there is why I'm probably struggling to answer this is because I am
[47:30.080 -> 47:34.320] such an advocate of enjoying the journey and not worrying too much about the destination.
[47:34.320 -> 47:37.960] I don't have, you know, this destination in mind really.
[47:37.960 -> 47:42.040] Well, the great thing about infinite purpose is there is never a destination.
[47:42.040 -> 47:44.320] There's always somewhere more you can go.
[47:44.320 -> 47:47.300] And I suppose I thought about it in light of the book
[47:47.300 -> 47:50.180] because I love the idea of you sharing this
[47:50.180 -> 47:52.820] to improve the mindsets of young people.
[47:52.820 -> 47:55.860] And that is an infinite purpose, isn't it?
[47:55.860 -> 47:58.260] Absolutely, and I think that that's one
[47:58.260 -> 48:00.600] of the greatest enjoyments that I've had
[48:00.600 -> 48:03.280] out of this whole experience is this ability
[48:03.280 -> 48:04.980] to be able to connect with young people
[48:04.980 -> 48:10.640] and to be able to give something back. I was really grateful to a lot of teachers
[48:10.640 -> 48:15.560] that I had when I was younger, being in the cadet force at school, in the scouts, these
[48:15.560 -> 48:21.800] kind of opportunities where adults had really given up their time and effort to give me
[48:21.800 -> 48:26.120] the opportunity to experience something. And I think it's so important. And if I can now a chyfraniad i roi'r cyfle i mi yw gael ymddygiad o rywbeth. Ac rwy'n credu ei fod yn bwysig iawn.
[48:26.120 -> 48:30.120] Ac os gallaf nawr wneud rhywbeth i helpu bobl ifanc
[48:30.120 -> 48:32.800] i gael y cyfleoedd sy'n ymddygiadol,
[48:32.800 -> 48:35.760] yna mae hynny'n rhoi llawer o ddiddorol i mi.
[48:35.760 -> 48:37.720] Felly, fel un o bobl sydd wedi bod,
[48:37.720 -> 48:40.800] yn ychydig o bobl sydd wedi gwneud yr hyn rydych chi wedi'i wneud, Tim,
[48:40.800 -> 48:43.840] sydd wedi bod lle rydych chi wedi bod a wedi gweld yr hyn rydych chi wedi gweld,
[48:43.840 -> 48:45.000] pa'r un gwybodaeth y byddwch chi eisiau ei r'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i'r ffyrdd. Iawn, iawn. Iawn, iawn. Iawn, iawn.
[48:45.000 -> 48:46.000] Iawn, iawn.
[48:46.000 -> 48:47.000] Iawn, iawn.
[48:47.000 -> 48:48.000] Iawn, iawn.
[48:48.000 -> 48:49.000] Iawn, iawn.
[48:49.000 -> 48:50.000] Iawn, iawn.
[48:50.000 -> 48:51.000] Iawn, iawn.
[48:51.000 -> 48:52.000] Iawn, iawn.
[48:52.000 -> 48:53.000] Iawn, iawn.
[48:53.000 -> 48:54.000] Iawn, iawn.
[48:54.000 -> 48:55.000] Iawn, iawn.
[48:55.000 -> 48:56.000] Iawn, iawn.
[48:56.000 -> 48:57.000] Iawn, iawn.
[48:57.000 -> 48:58.000] Iawn, iawn.
[48:58.000 -> 48:59.000] Iawn, iawn.
[48:59.000 -> 49:00.000] Iawn, iawn.
[49:00.000 -> 49:01.000] Iawn, iawn.
[49:01.000 -> 49:02.000] Iawn, iawn.
[49:02.000 -> 49:03.000] Iawn, iawn.
[49:03.000 -> 49:04.000] Iawn, iawn.
[49:04.000 -> 49:05.120] Iawn, iawn. Iawn, iawn. Iawn, iawn., then go for it. Don't be put off.
[49:05.120 -> 49:07.160] Don't let anybody dissuade you.
[49:07.160 -> 49:11.880] Give it a go because even if you don't succeed, then you will learn something from it and
[49:11.880 -> 49:16.200] you will be better at the next thing you do and the next thing you try.
[49:16.200 -> 49:17.200] Lovely.
[49:17.200 -> 49:19.600] Right, Tim, our quickfire questions.
[49:19.600 -> 49:26.000] And the first one is, what are the three non-negotiable behaviors that you and the people around you
[49:26.000 -> 49:27.000] must buy into?
[49:27.000 -> 49:30.200] Gosh, well, it's integrity is the first.
[49:30.200 -> 49:34.200] And I think that probably covers everything, actually.
[49:34.200 -> 49:38.320] You can have one, if one's all it takes.
[49:38.320 -> 49:44.320] Because as long as people are being open and honest, then we can have a discussion and
[49:44.320 -> 49:45.360] we can come to a decision
[49:45.360 -> 49:49.400] and we can we can sort things out. So yeah that's got to be the overriding one.
[49:49.400 -> 49:54.720] I think it's courage as well you know if I'm speaking with people then I want
[49:54.720 -> 49:59.560] them to you know to have courage of their convictions, moral courage, physical
[49:59.560 -> 50:02.960] courage to be able to go and do something. What advice would you give to
[50:02.960 -> 50:06.000] a teenage Tim just starting out on his journey? It would be to keep all your options open, i gael mynediad i wneud rhywbeth. Pa gwybodaeth byddwch chi'n ei roi i'r teimloedd, Tim, yn dechrau'r gwaith?
[50:06.000 -> 50:08.000] Byddwn yn gweithio i gael llawer o opción,
[50:08.000 -> 50:10.000] i fynd yn fwy, i brofio
[50:10.000 -> 50:12.000] y mwyaf y gallwch,
[50:12.000 -> 50:14.000] ac fel dweudais i gyntaf,
[50:14.000 -> 50:16.000] mae gennych ddiddorol.
[50:16.000 -> 50:18.000] Pa yw eich mwyaf o ffyrdd,
[50:18.000 -> 50:20.000] a pha yw eich gweithgaredd gwych?
[50:20.000 -> 50:22.000] Fy ffyrdd mwyaf?
[50:22.000 -> 50:24.000] Dwi'n credu ei fod yn ymdrech.
[50:24.000 -> 50:28.500] Dwi'n credu fy mod i wedi bod yn dda yn ymdrech ar y sefyllfa I think it's judgment. I think I've always been good at kind of weighing up a situation and making the right call.
[50:28.500 -> 50:37.500] And so I think that's set me in good stead. Greatest weakness is languages. I wish I could speak languages better than I do.
[50:37.500 -> 50:47.720] Beyond your own book, which is something that we would recommend, what's the one book you'd recommend to our listeners? Too many to choose from. One of the books that stays in my mind is Spitfire, a test
[50:47.720 -> 50:55.200] pilot story by Geoffrey Quill and it just, for me, epitomises everything about maintaining
[50:55.200 -> 51:00.040] perspective, staying calm under pressure, good decision-making, excelling at what you
[51:00.040 -> 51:06.160] do, being passionate. I mean, it's an incredible story. Geoffrey Quill was the test pilot for
[51:06.160 -> 51:10.640] Supermarine during the Second World War, took a break to go and fight in the Battle of Britain
[51:10.640 -> 51:15.920] and then came back to test pilot for training. It's a remarkable story.
[51:15.920 -> 51:20.080] Wonderful. And the final one, it's kind of your last message I suppose to the people listening
[51:20.080 -> 51:26.320] to this podcast, but we phrase it as your one golden rule for living a high performance life.
[51:26.320 -> 51:31.320] I think it is just to maintain self analysis,
[51:31.340 -> 51:33.140] always think about what you're doing,
[51:33.140 -> 51:33.980] why you're doing it,
[51:33.980 -> 51:35.960] and are you doing it to the best of your ability?
[51:35.960 -> 51:36.800] Wonderful.
[51:36.800 -> 51:38.820] Tim, I can't thank you enough for this conversation.
[51:38.820 -> 51:41.160] That has been such an interesting last hour.
[51:41.160 -> 51:42.800] What I love about what you've done
[51:42.800 -> 51:44.560] is that we're all parents,
[51:44.560 -> 51:48.160] and I think we all say to our children, maybe you don't Tim, because you're slightly
[51:48.160 -> 51:51.280] wiser, I suggest to myself and Damien, like what do you want to be when you get
[51:51.280 -> 51:54.200] older? What do you want to do when you grow up? After this conversation that is
[51:54.200 -> 51:58.040] going to be reframed in my house and it's going to be keep exploring and I
[51:58.040 -> 52:01.400] can't wait to see what you end up doing when you're older because I think yours
[52:01.400 -> 52:08.680] is a story of exploration and it took you all the way to a spacewalk so um the power of exploration is quite
[52:08.680 -> 52:11.680] something right absolutely yeah I couldn't agree more I think it's great
[52:11.680 -> 52:17.560] advice thank you Tim thanks Jake thanks Damien great talking to you
[52:18.680 -> 52:27.340] Damien Jake oh where do we begin with the The response to the way Tim Peake talks. Do you know what?
[52:27.340 -> 52:30.220] He's clearly a highly controlled individual, isn't he?
[52:30.220 -> 52:31.080] and I think that
[52:31.080 -> 52:35.760] Let's not get away from the fact that from a young age if you have control and if you look at your life in a
[52:35.760 -> 52:36.820] controlled manner
[52:36.820 -> 52:41.920] You can achieve I think an amazing amount of things if you just allow your life to kind of haphazardly
[52:42.240 -> 52:46.000] Float about and you kind of deal with it later. I think it's much more difficult to get to where you want to go i'w gweithio'n ddiddorol, ac y byddwch chi'n ymddangos gyda'i nesaf. Rwy'n credu ei bod yn fwy anodd i ddod i'r lle rydych chi eisiau mynd.
[52:46.000 -> 52:49.000] Ie, llawer. Rwy'n credu bod technigaeth sydd ar gael
[52:49.000 -> 52:52.000] yn ymwneud â'r aeroplaneiriau a'r ymddygiad,
[52:52.000 -> 52:54.000] ac maen nhw'n ei gynnal yn y lwp OODA.
[52:54.000 -> 52:56.000] Ac mae'n dod o'r dynwyd John Boyd, sy'n dweud,
[52:56.000 -> 52:58.000] yng nghanol amser, rydych ddeall lle rydych chi yw,
[52:58.000 -> 53:01.000] yna rydych ddeall eich hun a gwneud yn siŵr eich bod yn yr eithaf da.
[53:01.000 -> 53:03.000] Yna rhaid ymddeisio'r hyn rydych chi'n mynd i'w wneud,
[53:03.000 -> 53:06.000] ac yna dynnu'r gweithgaredd. Ac yr hyn a oeddud yn siŵr eich bod chi ar y peth da. Yna y byddwch yn dechrau beth y byddwch chi'n mynd i'w wneud ac yna ymwneud â'r cyfnod.
[53:06.000 -> 53:09.000] Ac yr hyn a oedd Tim yn ei ddysgrifio mewn nifer o ffyrdd oedd,
[53:09.000 -> 53:12.000] roedd yn ymwneud â'r cyfnod, roedd yn ddiddorol, roedd yn agor ar newid profiadau.
[53:12.000 -> 53:16.000] Ac yna roedd yn ymwneud â'i hunain a deall bod yn hoffi fflwio
[53:16.000 -> 53:20.000] ac roedd yn hoffi'r disgyblaeth o fod yn y meysyddol.
[53:20.000 -> 53:23.000] Roedd yn dechrau lle roedd yn mynd i mewn ac yna roedd yn ymwneud â'r cyfnod.
[53:23.000 -> 53:25.280] Ac rwy'n credu mai dyna'n dylunio'n dda i unrhyw un
[53:25.280 -> 53:26.880] sy'n clywed hyn.
[53:26.880 -> 53:28.280] Dydyn ni ddim yn mynd i fod yn astronautau,
[53:28.280 -> 53:30.240] dydyn ni ddim yn mynd i mewn i'r llyfrgell,
[53:30.240 -> 53:33.760] ond yn ymuno â'r sefydlu o'r gwaith,
[53:33.760 -> 53:36.320] pan ydyn ni, pan fydd yn fy ngwyrhau,
[53:36.320 -> 53:37.400] pan fydd yn fy ymdrech,
[53:37.400 -> 53:39.160] ydw i'n gwneud y penderfyniadau'n iawn,
[53:39.160 -> 53:41.000] ac yna ydw i'n dilynu'r gwaith,
[53:41.000 -> 53:42.080] mae'n ddefnyddiol iawn.
[53:42.960 -> 53:45.300] Ac hefyd, ddim yn mynd i'r gwrthwyneb o'r cyfnod, dydych chi ddim yn byw yn bywyd sy'n seiliedig ar y cynon. following through on it is really useful. And also not becoming obsessed with the outcome,
[53:45.300 -> 53:47.680] you're not living a sort of goal-centred life.
[53:47.680 -> 53:49.580] You know, Tim talks about,
[53:49.580 -> 53:51.080] I mean, that's really the ultimate thing, isn't it?
[53:51.080 -> 53:53.240] A year-long interview process
[53:53.240 -> 53:55.920] for a job that might never offer him
[53:55.920 -> 53:57.400] the one thing that he wanted out of it,
[53:57.400 -> 53:59.360] which was to go to space.
[53:59.360 -> 54:01.720] So you can only approach life like that
[54:01.720 -> 54:03.360] if you're not worried about the outcome,
[54:03.360 -> 54:04.920] if you're only focused on the journey.
[54:04.920 -> 54:08.080] But actually, I think that that's a really liberating mindset for everyone listening to this. gallwch chi ddod o'r ffordd arall i fyw fel hyn, os nad ydych chi'n bwysig am yr oergell, os ydych chi'n seiliedig ar y ffordd, ond mewn gwirionedd, rwy'n credu bod hynny'n mynedd i'r hollbwysig
[54:08.080 -> 54:11.920] i bawb sy'n clywed hyn. Bob un o bobl, nid ymwneud â'r ffaseg o fywyd
[54:11.920 -> 54:15.360] y maen nhw'n meddwl am, os yw'n ymwneud â mwynhau'r hyn rydych chi'n ei wneud, nid ymwneud â'r
[54:15.360 -> 54:19.680] lle mae'n eich cymryd i chi. Nid y gallwch chi fynd yn iawn, rydw i'n mynd i ddweud, nid y gallwch chi fynd
[54:19.680 -> 54:27.360] yn iawn, nid y gallwch chi fynd yn iawn arall. Yn unig, ac yw' mae'n fy nhrebu yw'r nifer o'n gwestiynau sy'n dweud hynny i ni.
[54:27.360 -> 54:28.640] Wyddoniaeth, Matthew McConaughey
[54:28.640 -> 54:30.560] oedd yn dweud i ni nad oes unrhyw beth.
[54:30.560 -> 54:31.840] Johnnie Wilkinson dweud
[54:31.840 -> 54:33.520] y byddwn yn byw yn y moment.
[54:34.240 -> 54:35.840] Rwy'n credu mae nifer o'n gwestiynau
[54:35.840 -> 54:37.600] yn dweud i ni'r bwysigrwydd hwn
[54:37.600 -> 54:39.840] nad yw'n cael ychydig o'r cyflawn
[54:39.840 -> 54:41.200] ond yn sefydlu ar y broses
[54:41.200 -> 54:42.800] a'r steps rydyn ni'n eu cymryd
[54:42.800 -> 54:44.000] yw'n unig o'n werthfawr.
[54:48.040 -> 54:50.000] Damien a dwi eisiau gwneud but focusing on the process and the steps we take in is just as valuable. Damien and I want to do something just a little bit
[54:50.000 -> 54:52.880] different at this point on the High Performance Podcast,
[54:52.880 -> 54:55.280] because we've got a message from Clementine
[54:55.280 -> 54:56.720] who sent us a note to say,
[54:56.720 -> 54:59.680] I stumbled on your podcast and it was an absolute treat.
[54:59.680 -> 55:01.120] I've played sport all my life.
[55:01.120 -> 55:03.240] I still play an umpire today at a decent level
[55:03.240 -> 55:04.400] now that I'm in my thirties.
[55:04.400 -> 55:06.180] I'm also a manager in the NHS
[55:06.180 -> 55:09.340] and spent my 10 year career in A&E.
[55:09.340 -> 55:10.980] I have genuinely, and we love this,
[55:10.980 -> 55:13.700] I've genuinely attributed my success in my career
[55:13.700 -> 55:15.500] to what sport has taught me,
[55:15.500 -> 55:18.180] but always thought this was me thinking out on a limb.
[55:18.180 -> 55:20.040] But this podcast solidifies that.
[55:20.040 -> 55:21.540] Your pod has taught me so much.
[55:21.540 -> 55:23.140] It teaches me more every time I listen.
[55:23.140 -> 55:27.500] There are so, so many parallels between the two and I love how much this podcast
[55:27.500 -> 55:29.900] helps me grow in work and also on the pitch.
[55:29.900 -> 55:33.000] I always listen when I'm on the way home from a difficult shift.
[55:33.000 -> 55:36.300] It gives me the boost and yes, I need that right now.
[55:36.300 -> 55:38.100] Keep up the amazing work and the guests.
[55:38.100 -> 55:43.800] You're truly changing people's lives and it was a lovely message to get and we read it and we felt warm and lovely,
[55:43.800 -> 55:46.460] but we thought actually let's go a step further.
[55:46.460 -> 55:51.340] Let's invite Clem onto the podcast just to talk a bit more about how she found it, what
[55:51.340 -> 55:53.300] she makes of it and how it's helped her.
[55:53.300 -> 55:57.020] So, Clem, thank you so much for being the first ever high performance listener to come
[55:57.020 -> 55:58.020] and join us on the pod.
[55:58.020 -> 55:59.020] Hi!
[55:59.020 -> 56:00.020] No pressure.
[56:00.020 -> 56:01.820] It was a message out of the blue.
[56:01.820 -> 56:05.360] You're joining some decent guests over the last year or so.
[56:06.160 -> 56:11.120] Let's just sort of talk about it then. So you work in the NHS. You've obviously been,
[56:11.120 -> 56:14.160] and you know, on behalf of all of us, thank you so much for everything that you and all your
[56:14.160 -> 56:19.520] colleagues have done over the past 18 months. So how did you first come across the High
[56:19.520 -> 56:28.760] Performance Podcast? I follow someone called James Smith, PT. And he'd done a podcast with James Haskell.
[56:28.760 -> 56:32.640] And then James Haskell did one with Dylan Hartley. And then I stumbled across yours
[56:32.640 -> 56:37.320] and I was like, Oh, I like the Formula One. So we'll give this a listen. And I have about
[56:37.320 -> 56:42.440] a 45 minute commute. So I often like to listen to something on my way home, kind of totally
[56:42.440 -> 56:47.000] switch off. And I was really struggling at work. It was been like a treadmill for the Roeddwn i'n gofyn i mi fwynhau clywed rhywbeth ar y ffordd i fyny i'w home, a oeddwn i'n anodd yn anodd yn gweithio.
[56:47.000 -> 56:50.000] Roedd hwn yn ffordd o'r llynedd diwethaf.
[56:50.000 -> 56:56.000] Y pethau sy'n mynd i mewn i weithio, chwarae y chwarae, y sport, pob un o'r pethau, oedd wedi cael eu cymryd.
[56:56.000 -> 57:12.000] Roedd gweithio'n anodd iawn, ac roedd hynny'n ddod i mi, o'n i, yw bod y cyfle i mi ddod o'r amser cywir, a dwi'n dechrau meddwl, oh, ie, mae hyn yn gwneud llawer o syniad.
[57:12.000 -> 57:27.000] A oedd Steff Elton yn y cyntaf rydw i'n gweld, y gyn-dol, a dweud, ie, fel chi, gadewch i chi ffwrdd. Ac yna, mae'n rôl o'rno, oydw i'n ei wneud yn mynd ymlaen gyda'r sport, yn enwedig, ac rwy'n meddwl, mae hynny'n iawn.
[57:27.000 -> 57:48.440] Os yw Tyrone Mings yn gallu gwneud pethau eraill like I can play hockey and be a nurse, like that's okay, kind of thing.
[57:49.000 -> 57:54.520] And it just kind of progressed. And then Kasper Schmeichel, I liked his, and he
[57:54.520 -> 58:00.520] talked about ego quite a bit. And that, bit of a gobshite at work. And I thought,
[58:00.520 -> 58:04.880] do you know what, you need to have ego. And you need to have ego in my job. I
[58:04.880 -> 58:06.880] work in A&E, I'm a manager of an A-, like in an A& know what, you need to have ego. And you need to have ego in my job. I work in A&E, I'm a manager of an A,
[58:06.880 -> 58:08.800] like in an A&E department.
[58:08.800 -> 58:11.880] You need to be able to make decisions
[58:11.880 -> 58:13.320] and back up your decisions.
[58:13.320 -> 58:15.920] And you need to have an element of ego to do that,
[58:15.920 -> 58:18.400] but it's about finding that balance really.
[58:18.400 -> 58:20.120] And I just started to think,
[58:20.120 -> 58:22.560] do you know I'm gonna take ownership of the fact that
[58:22.560 -> 58:26.000] sport from a young age has taught me resilience. You know, when you lose your first cup final when you're seven years old Rwy'n mynd i ddod o ddynion y ffaith bod y sport o'r iaith ifanc wedi'i ddysgu i mi o'r cyfrifoldeb.
[58:26.000 -> 58:31.440] Pan fyddwch chi'n perthyn o'ch cyfnod cyntaf, pan fyddwch chi'n 7 oed, ac mae hynny'n beth anodd,
[58:31.440 -> 58:38.160] ond rydych chi'n ôl ar y pêch yma ym mis nesaf, ychydig â'ch gilydd, eich rhain, eich rhain, eich cyfweliad, ac eich hyfforddiwr, ac rydych chi'n ôl yn ddod yn ôl i'r tîm.
[58:38.160 -> 58:41.120] Fe wnaethoch chi ddysgu'r cyfrifoldeb hwnnw ar y pêch ym mhob sport.
[58:41.120 -> 58:47.000] Ac rwy'n credu bod pethau eraill sydd wedi'uhyrchu i mi, ymwybyddiaeth sefyllfa, cael ymdrechion,
[58:47.000 -> 58:49.000] meddwl am beth mae'n gallu digwydd,
[58:49.000 -> 58:51.000] a chyfeirio am y sefyllfaoedd hynny.
[58:51.000 -> 58:54.000] Mae hynny'n mynd yn ôl i'r ôl gyda gweithio mewn Deyrnas Unedig,
[58:54.000 -> 58:55.000] yn enwedig,
[58:55.000 -> 58:57.000] a chael ei chyfeirio.
[58:57.000 -> 59:00.000] Mae angen i chi bob amser fod yn ymgyrchu beth sy'n gallu digwydd.
[59:00.000 -> 59:01.000] Ac rwy'n cael ymgyrchu teim,
[59:01.000 -> 59:03.000] ac rwy'n cael ei gael fel rwy'n cynyddu
[59:03.000 -> 59:06.000] drwy ymgyrchu, cael teim, ac rydych chi'nod o'r bryd wrth i mi ddod o'r bryd drwy ymgyrchu,
[59:06.000 -> 59:11.000] a chael teim a byddwch chi'n dysgu hynny ar y pêl chwarae a'i ddod o'r bryd.
[59:11.000 -> 59:16.000] Ac yna rwy'n gosod fy sylwadau i chi, ac roeddwn i'n hapus iawn.
[59:16.000 -> 59:19.000] Ac yna roedd gen i'r cyfle i gyflwyno.
[59:19.000 -> 59:28.000] Felly rwy'n meddwl, wel, mae gennym ddweudrwyrth-east, mae'r cymorth yn dod allan. Ac rydw i'n meddwl, rydw i'n mynd i siarad am y podcast hon,
[59:28.000 -> 59:33.000] oherwydd mae wedi cefnogi pethau i mi ym mhob mlynedd diwethaf,
[59:33.000 -> 59:38.000] ac rydw i'n gwneud yr holl bethau eraill, ac mae hynny'n fy ngwneud i'n dda ar fy swydd.
[59:38.000 -> 59:41.000] Felly rydw i wedi siarad am fy nid-draweithwyr,
[59:41.000 -> 59:43.000] ar yr hyn rydw i'n byw.
[59:43.000 -> 59:46.000] Ymgynghori, gynhyrchol, ddiddor yr hyn rydw i'n byw. Yn ystod cyfathrebu, proffesiynol,
[59:46.000 -> 59:49.000] ddiddorol, ac rydw i'n gallu gael ffordd.
[59:49.000 -> 59:52.000] Fel cyfathrebu cliniol, rwy'n credu
[59:52.000 -> 59:55.000] y mae angen i chi gael cyfathrebu ar yr hyn rydych chi'n ei wneud.
[59:55.000 -> 59:58.000] Felly, rwyf wedi bod yn fyrdd o fyrdd. Nid y gallaf gofyn i fy mhrof staff ffyrddwyr i wneud rhywbeth
[59:58.000 -> 01:00:01.000] na ddylai i mi ei wneud. Rwy'n credu mai dyna'n bwysig iawn
[01:00:01.000 -> 01:00:04.000] y mwy i gyd. Ac rwy'n credu y mae angen i chi gael, yn enwedig
[01:00:04.000 -> 01:00:09.200] yn ein rhan o'n gwaith, na allwch chi sefyll ar eich ladder you go and I think you need to be able, particularly in our line of work, you can't sit on your high horse and just dictate, you know, you have to be able to clean the bed
[01:00:09.200 -> 01:00:13.960] pans along with everyone else. I think that demonstrates that you've got integrity. So
[01:00:13.960 -> 01:00:19.120] I kind of talked a lot about that and the skills that I've got from a sports perspective
[01:00:19.120 -> 01:00:22.360] and I got the job. So it's down to you.
[01:00:22.360 -> 01:00:23.360] I'm so pleased.
[01:00:23.360 -> 01:00:24.360] It's down to you.
[01:00:24.360 -> 01:00:26.000] The high performance podcast in action, Damien. How affirming is that? That's fantastic. ac mae'n ddifrifol iawn. Felly mae'n ddim i chi. Dyma i chi.
[01:00:26.000 -> 01:00:28.000] Y podcast o gynhyrchu'r cyfrifoldeb, Damien.
[01:00:28.000 -> 01:00:30.000] Mae'n ddim i chi.
[01:00:30.000 -> 01:00:32.000] Wel, nid yw, mae'n ddim i chi.
[01:00:32.000 -> 01:00:34.000] Rwy'n credu y byddwn yn teimlo
[01:00:34.000 -> 01:00:36.000] y bydd y cwestiynau hyn
[01:00:36.000 -> 01:00:38.000] yn ddifrifol iawn i bobl,
[01:00:38.000 -> 01:00:40.000] ond i gael eu cyfathrebu a dweud
[01:00:40.000 -> 01:00:42.000] dyma beth rydw i'n ei ddweud,
[01:00:42.000 -> 01:00:44.000] dyma beth sy'n bwysig iawn i mi.
[01:00:44.000 -> 01:00:47.480] Mae'n eich profiad, fel y dweudwch,
[01:00:47.480 -> 01:00:49.000] rydych chi wedi gallu eu hyrwyddo.
[01:00:49.000 -> 01:00:51.680] Ffantastig ac cwmniad.
[01:00:51.680 -> 01:00:53.200] Oeddwn, felly roedd yn fwy anodd.
[01:00:53.200 -> 01:00:54.640] Ie, dyna'r unig ddifrif.
[01:00:54.640 -> 01:00:56.160] Ond, gwrando, y podcast High Performance,
[01:00:56.160 -> 01:00:57.680] Clem yw yno ar gael i chi bob dydd
[01:00:57.680 -> 01:00:59.120] i allu gwneud y anodd.
[01:01:00.360 -> 01:01:01.680] Yn ddiweddar, dwi ddim yn gallu dweud i chi
[01:01:01.680 -> 01:01:03.120] pa mor dda yw
[01:01:03.120 -> 01:01:03.920] yna, dwi'n gwybod,
[01:01:03.920 -> 01:01:04.880] ciniau ffyrdd gyda chi,
[01:01:04.880 -> 01:01:09.880] clywed cyfeillgarwch bywydol, oherwydd rwy'n credu y byddwch yn rhaid i chi gofio Honestly, I can't tell you how lovely it is just that, you know, five minutes with you hearing a real world example, because I think what you have to remember is that, obviously,
[01:01:09.880 -> 01:01:12.200] a lot of what we do now is over Zoom because of lockdown and things.
[01:01:12.200 -> 01:01:15.320] So we're just making this podcast, hoping it impacts people.
[01:01:15.320 -> 01:01:19.440] Certainly when we started, we had no idea whether people would even listen to it.
[01:01:19.440 -> 01:01:23.500] So to have this conversation for the first time, actually, with someone that has genuinely
[01:01:23.500 -> 01:01:29.040] had their life altered by this podcast, I can't tell you, it means the world to us, it really does. Well thank you very
[01:01:29.040 -> 01:01:34.080] much, it's made a big difference to my life in the last few months and I think lots of other people,
[01:01:35.120 -> 01:01:40.000] when you're listening to it, the people that you, like I listened to Gareth Southgate last week,
[01:01:40.000 -> 01:01:49.440] he's just like massive isn't he? But when you're listening, it's just conversation. And I just feel like I'm just sitting in my car driving and the idle kind of thing goes.
[01:01:49.440 -> 01:01:53.440] And it's just people talking about what they're doing in their job and,
[01:01:53.440 -> 01:01:57.440] and how they make their lives work. And that's what's so relatable, I think,
[01:01:57.440 -> 01:02:04.400] to normal people in normal jobs. So that's down to you guys, I think, not putting these people
[01:02:04.400 -> 01:02:05.840] up on a pedestal as such, and
[01:02:05.840 -> 01:02:10.520] they're just able to verbalise what they've got going on and how they make things work
[01:02:10.520 -> 01:02:11.520] and not work.
[01:02:11.520 -> 01:02:12.520] And so, well done.
[01:02:12.520 -> 01:02:13.520] Thanks.
[01:02:13.520 -> 01:02:14.520] Thank you.
[01:02:14.520 -> 01:02:19.920] And at the risk of sounding like a radio DJ from the 1990s, we're going to send you a
[01:02:19.920 -> 01:02:25.920] high performance mug, because we've made these mugs, high-performance podcast mugs
[01:02:25.920 -> 01:02:29.520] and we give them to our guests when they come on the pod and we'll send you one
[01:02:29.520 -> 01:02:32.320] so I don't know whether you're a tea or coffee drinker at work but you can now
[01:02:32.320 -> 01:02:45.000] proudly sport your... I will put it on the gram in my uniform. It's got to be Yorkshire tea Annick. Yorkshire tea of course, no other tea. It's got to be, it's illegal not to. It's illegal and offensive to suggest anything otherwise.
[01:02:45.000 -> 01:02:47.000] Thank you so much.
[01:02:47.000 -> 01:02:49.000] And, you know, if you're listening to this and you're thinking,
[01:02:49.000 -> 01:02:53.000] man, I've got a story not dissimilar to Clem about how listening
[01:02:53.000 -> 01:02:56.000] to the podcast has changed things for me, we would of course love
[01:02:56.000 -> 01:02:57.000] to hear from you.
[01:02:57.000 -> 01:03:00.000] Clem just pinged us a message on Instagram and you can do that
[01:03:00.000 -> 01:03:02.000] as well at high performance, is our Instagram handle.
[01:03:02.000 -> 01:03:07.880] Send us a message, we read them all and yeah, we'll speak to someone else next week and get their thoughts.
[01:03:08.080 -> 01:03:09.160] But Clem, you are the first.
[01:03:09.360 -> 01:03:11.160] You are, you are the groundbreaker.
[01:03:11.360 -> 01:03:13.360] Thank you very much.
[01:03:15.920 -> 01:03:22.280] Damien, Jake, I felt like Clem deserved her own high performance wrap up after that.
[01:03:22.480 -> 01:03:25.000] How nice to, like I know we get loads of messages and things and they always sort ac mae'n ddiddorol. Ie, mae'n wir yn dweud hynny. Rwy'n credu mai dyna un o'r pethau rydyn ni'n sefydlu i'w wneud. Rwy'n gwybod
[01:03:25.000 -> 01:03:25.920] mae'n ffrasiwn
[01:03:25.920 -> 01:03:27.480] rydyn ni'n defnyddio yn nifer o gyfansoddiadau
[01:03:27.480 -> 01:03:29.280] fod yn gwneud hynny ar gyfer yr oes
[01:03:29.280 -> 01:03:30.280] a ddim ar yr cyfrifiad.
[01:03:30.280 -> 01:03:31.280] Ac mae'n dweud,
[01:03:31.280 -> 01:03:32.080] mae'n dweud,
[01:03:32.080 -> 01:03:33.080] mae'n dweud,
[01:03:33.080 -> 01:03:34.080] mae'n dweud,
[01:03:34.080 -> 01:03:35.080] mae'n dweud,
[01:03:35.080 -> 01:03:36.080] mae'n dweud,
[01:03:36.080 -> 01:03:37.080] mae'n dweud,
[01:03:37.080 -> 01:03:38.080] mae'n dweud,
[01:03:38.080 -> 01:03:39.080] mae'n dweud,
[01:03:39.080 -> 01:03:40.080] mae'n dweud,
[01:03:40.080 -> 01:03:41.080] mae'n dweud,
[01:03:41.080 -> 01:03:42.080] mae'n dweud,
[01:03:42.080 -> 01:03:43.080] mae'n dweud,
[01:03:43.080 -> 01:03:44.080] mae'n dweud,
[01:03:44.080 -> 01:03:47.040] mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n wir yn cymryd ymdrech. Rwy'n credu mai dyna'n un o'r pethau rydyn ni'n ei sefydlu i'w wneud. Dw i'n gwybod mai dyna'r ffrasa rydyn ni'n ei ddefnyddio yn nifer o gyfraith,
[01:03:47.040 -> 01:03:49.440] y byddwn ni'n ei wneud ar gyfer y cyfnod a ddim ar y cyfnod,
[01:03:49.440 -> 01:03:53.600] ac i ddweud i bobl siarad am y cyfnod o sut maen nhw wedi defnyddio rhai o'r pethau honno.
[01:03:53.600 -> 01:03:55.840] Mae'n mynd i mewn i'n gynllun arbennig,
[01:03:55.840 -> 01:03:59.760] sy'n ymwneud â helpu pobl i ddewis rhai o'r principiau cyffredinol hwn
[01:03:59.760 -> 01:04:02.480] a'u cymryd ac i'w gwneud yn gyffredinol yn eu bywydau eu hunain.
[01:04:02.480 -> 01:04:07.000] Felly ie, rwy'n ymdrechus ac eu bywydau eu hunain. Felly, ie, rwy'n ddwylo a'n ddim ond yn ddiddorol iawn
[01:04:07.000 -> 01:04:09.000] o weldi Clem.
[01:04:09.000 -> 01:04:12.000] A dwi'n siarad gyda phobl am y mynedd gwybodaeth,
[01:04:12.000 -> 01:04:15.000] ac rwy'n meddwl, pan ydych chi'n siarad am mynedd gwybodaeth,
[01:04:15.000 -> 01:04:17.000] dwi ddim yn gwybod a yw hwn eich profiad,
[01:04:17.000 -> 01:04:19.000] ond mae pobl yn ychydig yn ymwneud â hyn oherwydd
[01:04:19.000 -> 01:04:20.000] ddifrifol o ddeallt,
[01:04:20.000 -> 01:04:23.000] maen nhw'n meddwl ei fod yn beth gyfresol iawn
[01:04:23.000 -> 01:04:24.000] i gael mynedd gwybodaeth,
[01:04:24.000 -> 01:04:27.000] ond yn y bôn, beth ddewis Clem i'r cwmples hwn fod yn rhaid i chi gael y mynedd o fwythoedd. Ond yn y bôn, yr hyn y sgrifennodd Clem amdano,
[01:04:27.000 -> 01:04:32.000] yn defnyddio Gareth Southgate, Casper Schmeichel a Tyrone Mings
[01:04:32.000 -> 01:04:34.000] i wella eich swydd fel gynhyrchydd,
[01:04:34.000 -> 01:04:36.000] yw gwneud y mynedd o fwythoedd.
[01:04:36.000 -> 01:04:38.000] Dyna gweld pobl mewn gwirionedd gwahanol o fywyd,
[01:04:38.000 -> 01:04:40.000] a chynhyrchu eich cymaint. Dyna'r holl beth.
[01:04:40.000 -> 01:04:41.000] Iawn, yn y bôn.
[01:04:41.000 -> 01:04:43.000] Ac yn ymdrech i'r ddewis,
[01:04:43.000 -> 01:04:45.280] yn hytrach na'i ddweud, wel, beth y gallai ffotbolai ddysgu i mi?
[01:04:45.280 -> 01:04:47.760] Dim ond ei ddechrau, ei gwrando at nhw a'u sylweddoli
[01:04:47.760 -> 01:04:48.960] na fydd y cwmpas yn y ffotbolai.
[01:04:48.960 -> 01:04:51.560] Efallai yw rhywun sy'n deall y challan
[01:04:51.560 -> 01:04:53.520] a'n byw'n ddod yn ddiogel yn y cyfnod o ddysgwyr,
[01:04:53.520 -> 01:04:55.040] fel y dywedodd Tyrone
[01:04:55.040 -> 01:04:57.120] pan ddechreuodd yn y blynyddoedd.
[01:04:57.120 -> 01:05:00.400] Neu Gareth Southgate, sy'n siarad am rhaid i bobl gyrraedd
[01:05:00.400 -> 01:05:03.120] a rhaid i egoau gyrraedd a'r ysgrifennu'r hysbys.
[01:05:03.120 -> 01:05:04.560] Mae hynny'n ddiddorol i gyd i ni i gyd,
[01:05:04.560 -> 01:05:05.000] yn ogystal â phosib y byddwnny'n berffaith i gyd i ni,
[01:05:05.000 -> 01:05:07.000] nid ymwneud â sut rydym yn y ffôr fwrdd gwleidyddol,
[01:05:07.000 -> 01:05:10.000] neu sut rydyn ni'n gweithio yn y Deyrnas Unedig
[01:05:10.000 -> 01:05:12.000] yn y ysbytai leol.
[01:05:12.000 -> 01:05:16.000] A dwi'n credu bod hwn yn episod da i siarad am hynny,
[01:05:16.000 -> 01:05:18.000] oherwydd Tim Peake,
[01:05:18.000 -> 01:05:20.000] pa mor ffyrdd o bobl bydd yn clywed hwn
[01:05:20.000 -> 01:05:22.000] a chael y deithiau i fynd i'r amgueddfa?
[01:05:22.000 -> 01:05:24.000] Efallai 0 o bobl.
[01:05:24.000 -> 01:05:26.000] Ond pa mor ffyrdd o bobl y gallant clywed hwn, clywed pa deithiau y defnyddodd i fynd i'r amgueddfa, yn eithaf cyffredinol, ond sut y gall pobl i'r cymdeithas hwn clywed pa fath o'r cyfnodau y ddangosodd
[01:05:26.000 -> 01:05:28.000] i ddod i'r amgueddfa ac y ddangosodd
[01:05:28.000 -> 01:05:30.000] yna yn eu bywydau eu hunain.
[01:05:30.000 -> 01:05:32.000] Rwy'n credu bod yr holl bethau
[01:05:32.000 -> 01:05:34.000] a ddweud ar ymgeisydd hon yn bwysig
[01:05:34.000 -> 01:05:36.000] ac yn werthfawr iawn.
[01:05:36.000 -> 01:05:38.000] Y sgwrs ymdrechion oedd y peth i mi.
[01:05:38.000 -> 01:05:40.000] Iawn, ond rwy'n hoffi'r ffaith
[01:05:40.000 -> 01:05:42.000] nad ydych chi'n ymwneud â'r lle o'r gwaith,
[01:05:42.000 -> 01:05:44.000] ond y lle rydych chi eisiau i'w ddod o.
[01:05:44.000 -> 01:05:46.000] Fel y desgrifai Tim, Fel Tim yn ddysgu bod yn ffyrdd o ffyrdd
[01:05:46.000 -> 01:05:46.960] yn y mwyaf ffyrdd,
[01:05:46.960 -> 01:05:49.160] doedd dim peth ar ei gadarnhad
[01:05:49.160 -> 01:05:51.440] sy'n cynghori ei fod yn
[01:05:51.440 -> 01:05:54.120] ymgyrch cyntaf yng Nghymru i wneud ymdrechion.
[01:05:54.120 -> 01:05:55.600] Doedd dim peth amdanyn nhw fel
[01:05:55.600 -> 01:05:57.640] flywr eang yn y sefydliad ysgol.
[01:05:57.640 -> 01:05:59.960] Roedd yn mynd i'w cadetiaid
[01:05:59.960 -> 01:06:01.120] a bod yn y ffyrdd o ffyrdd
[01:06:01.120 -> 01:06:02.880] lle fe wnaeth e ddod o'i ffyrdd.
[01:06:02.880 -> 01:06:04.680] Ac rwy'n credu, eto, mae hynny'n bwysig iawn
[01:06:04.680 -> 01:06:26.640] fod, dim ond eich bod yn gweithio ac yn y ffyrdd o fyw, lle fe ddod o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o'n ffyrdd o be useful whatever the episode whatever the guest and if you heard that conversation with Clem and you would like as I said to share your thoughts as
[01:06:26.640 -> 01:06:30.800] well you can either send a message to Damien he's at liquid thinker I am at
[01:06:30.800 -> 01:06:34.960] jay comfrey but probably the best way to reach us is to follow at high
[01:06:34.960 -> 01:06:41.280] performance on Instagram and then just ping us ping us a message tell us what
[01:06:41.280 -> 01:06:43.880] you've made of the pod and the fact you'd like to come on and talk about it
[01:06:43.880 -> 01:06:47.720] and we will do exactly that in a few days time. Elsewhere, Damien, we're
[01:06:47.720 -> 01:06:50.640] still carrying on with the book, we're getting to the point now, you know, something
[01:06:50.640 -> 01:06:54.940] that surprised Damien and I is that our high-performance book, which is all the
[01:06:54.940 -> 01:06:57.760] things that you can learn from the people that we've spoke to and an awful
[01:06:57.760 -> 01:07:02.160] lot more, it's due out 9th of December, Damien, people can pre-order it
[01:07:02.160 -> 01:07:06.200] at the moment and we both sort of felt like it's 9th of December feels like a long way away but I guess it will be here in the blink of an eye. 9 Decembro, Damien. Mae'n debyg i bobl gynllunio ar hyn o bryd. Ac rydyn ni'n teimlo'n ffordd fel bod 9 Decembro yn teimlo fel ymdrech arall,
[01:07:06.200 -> 01:07:08.200] ond rwy'n meddwl bydd yn ymwneud â'r gwyrdd.
[01:07:08.200 -> 01:07:09.680] Ie, mae'n fflwynio, dwi'n dweud.
[01:07:09.680 -> 01:07:11.600] Ond mae wedi bod yn ddifrifol iawn,
[01:07:11.600 -> 01:07:12.960] oherwydd rwy'n credu, yn gwneud y llyfr,
[01:07:12.960 -> 01:07:14.160] a gwybod ein bod ni'n gyd wedi teimlo hyn,
[01:07:14.160 -> 01:07:16.080] yn mynd yn ôl i'r rhai o'r arferion gyntaf
[01:07:16.080 -> 01:07:18.240] i ymweld â rhai o'r wylion
[01:07:18.240 -> 01:07:21.120] rydyn ni'n dysgu o'r seriw 1,
[01:07:21.120 -> 01:07:22.640] neu'r seriw 2,
[01:07:22.640 -> 01:07:25.000] pan ddweud ynghylch Billy Munger, er enghraifft,
[01:07:25.000 -> 01:07:27.000] a sut ydyn ni'n ymwneud â'r ddifrifoedd.
[01:07:27.000 -> 01:07:30.000] Mae'n unig o'r cyfaddef yw bod y cwpniau hyn yn amlwg,
[01:07:30.000 -> 01:07:34.000] ac efallai y bydd hynny'n cael eu rhifio yn y llyfr,
[01:07:34.000 -> 01:07:37.000] fod y cwpniau hyn yn y gallwch chi eu cymryd i'ch plant,
[01:07:37.000 -> 01:07:39.000] ac efallai eu plant yn eu plant.
[01:07:39.000 -> 01:07:41.000] Ac rydyn ni wedi creu pethau dda i'r llyfrau,
[01:07:41.000 -> 01:07:42.000] a'u gweithredu,
[01:07:42.000 -> 01:07:44.000] a rydw i'n credu y bydd pobl yn cael llawer o hyn.
[01:07:44.000 -> 01:07:45.000] A oes gennych chi ddweud i boau, yw'r pitstops, rydyn ni'n credu y bydd pobl yn cael llawer o hynny.
[01:07:45.000 -> 01:08:06.720] A oes gennych chi ddweud i bobl beth yw pitstop? Ie, felly y rheswm o'r rhan o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai rhaid i bobl ddweud i'w atal a'u cymryd ar y wythnosau yn fwy
[01:08:06.720 -> 01:08:11.600] yn ddiogel. Felly, mae'n unig cwestiynau rydyn ni'n eu cymryd at bobl sydd efallai yn ymdrechu arnynt a meddwl,
[01:08:11.600 -> 01:08:16.080] mewn gwirionedd, y gallwn ddefnyddio hynny. Felly un o'r cyntaf yw gallwch wneud unrhyw beth,
[01:08:16.080 -> 01:08:19.920] ond dydyn ni ddim yn gallu wneud pob peth. Felly mae'n ymwneud â chynllunio ar beth sy'n
[01:08:19.920 -> 01:08:26.240] bwysig mwy, mae'n unig enghraifft o'r math o gwestiynau a chymorthau y gallwn i bobl cyfleu i'w wneud.
[01:08:26.240 -> 01:08:31.840] Mae'n dda iawn, ac yn y gysylltiad ar gyfer y podcast hon, gallwch chi orioi'r llyfr higlifedig ar gyfer hyn.
[01:08:31.840 -> 01:08:35.040] Gallwch chi ei pre-orioi, efallai fod yn un o'r cyntaf. Gallwch hefyd mynd i'n wefan
[01:08:35.040 -> 01:08:39.280] thehighperformancepodcast.com ac gallwch chi pre-orioi'r llyfr ar gyfer hyn hefyd.
[01:08:39.280 -> 01:08:43.840] Ac fel y bydd yn cael ei ddatblygu ar 9 December, byddwch yn y cyntaf i gael copi.
[01:08:43.840 -> 01:08:45.120] Damien, you so much.
[01:08:45.120 -> 01:08:46.960] Thanks Jake, loved it as always.
[01:08:46.960 -> 01:08:51.440] So did I. Thank you to Damien of course, thank you to Clem, thank you to Will and to Hannah,
[01:08:51.440 -> 01:08:56.320] thank you to Finn Ryan at Rethink Audio for his hard work, but most of all thanks to you and I
[01:08:56.320 -> 01:09:02.400] think that that was an amazing episode with Tim Peake, but at the end of it to hear from Clem is
[01:09:02.400 -> 01:09:08.560] a great reminder for all of us what this podcast is for, why we do it and the impact we're making. Look forward
[01:09:08.560 -> 01:09:12.000] to speaking to more of you in our high-performance community very soon.
[01:09:12.000 -> 01:09:28.160] Have a great day. Bye!