Podcast: The High Performance
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Jo Malone CBE, is the Founder & Creative Director of Jo Loves, a household name and one of the world’s most successful businesswomen. There aren’t many people who haven’t had a product of hers in their home at some point.
From modest beginnings, Jo fell in love with fragrance and built an incredibly successful brand, Jo Malone London, that she eventually sold and left the business before launching her ‘Jo Loves’ range inspired by the memories and moments in life that she loves.
But there have been periods to her life that have been challenging to say the least. From cancer to career upheaval, and a set of decisions and dilemmas on a scale most of us are never faced with.
Listen to the lessons Jo’s learnt from an extraordinary life. We absolutely loved this conversation!
A big thanks to our partners Lotus Cars. Remember, you can get extended episodes of the podcast on our YouTube channel bit.ly/HPPYouTube and follow us on Instagram @highperformance.
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# **Jo Malone: A Journey of Resilience, Success, and Personal Growth**
## **Introduction**
In this episode of the High Performance Podcast, Jake Humphrey and Damian Lewis engage in a captivating conversation with Jo Malone CBE, the founder and creative director of Jo Loves, a household name and one of the world's most successful businesswomen. Jo Malone's inspiring story takes us through her remarkable journey, from humble beginnings to extraordinary success, and the challenges she faced along the way, including cancer and career upheavals.
## **Key Insights and Takeaways:**
1. **Resilience and Overcoming Challenges:**
- Jo Malone's resilience is evident throughout her life. From facing financial struggles at a young age to battling cancer, she demonstrates the importance of perseverance and adaptability.
- Resilience is not just about overcoming adversity; it's about learning from experiences and growing stronger.
2. **The Power of Dreams and Ambition:**
- Jo Malone's unwavering belief in her dreams and her refusal to let others define her aspirations are key factors in her success.
- Taking responsibility for fulfilling one's dreams and not relying on others is crucial for personal growth and achievement.
3. **Importance of Authenticity and Staying True to Oneself:**
- Jo Malone emphasizes the significance of staying true to oneself and not allowing external opinions to shape one's dreams.
- Authenticity and self-belief are essential for achieving genuine success and fulfillment.
4. **Learning from Mistakes and Embracing Failure:**
- Jo Malone acknowledges that making mistakes is a natural part of being human, and it's how we learn and grow.
- The key is to learn from those mistakes, avoid regret, and use them as opportunities for personal development.
5. **Finding Purpose and Fulfillment:**
- Jo Malone discovered her true passion and purpose in creating fragrances, which brought her immense joy and fulfillment.
- Identifying and pursuing one's passion can lead to a more meaningful and satisfying life.
6. **Importance of Balance and Avoiding Burnout:**
- Jo Malone realized that while success is important, it's equally crucial to maintain balance and avoid burnout.
- Prioritizing well-being and personal life is essential for long-term success and happiness.
7. **The Value of Gratitude and Positivity:**
- Jo Malone expresses gratitude for the opportunities and experiences she has had, even during challenging times.
- Maintaining a positive outlook and appreciating the good aspects of life can help overcome obstacles and promote resilience.
## **Conclusion:**
Jo Malone's journey is an inspiring reminder that success is not without its challenges, but with resilience, determination, and a positive mindset, we can overcome obstacles and achieve our dreams. Her story highlights the importance of authenticity, learning from mistakes, finding purpose, and maintaining balance in our lives.
# Jo Malone: High-Performance Entrepreneur and Creative Visionary
## Overview
In this episode of the High-Performance Podcast, Jo Malone, the founder and creative director of Jo Loves, shares her extraordinary journey as a successful businesswoman, cancer survivor, and creative force. She candidly discusses the challenges she faced, the lessons she learned, and the importance of purpose, resilience, and authenticity in achieving success.
## Key Insights:
1. **The Power of Purpose:** For Jo Malone, having a sense of purpose is crucial for driving her passion and enthusiasm daily. She believes that building, learning, and creating bring her true happiness and fulfillment.
2. **The Value of Resilience:** Malone highlights the importance of resilience in overcoming obstacles and setbacks. She emphasizes that entrepreneurship often face periods of struggle and uncertainty, but it's essential to persevere and keep moving forward.
3. **The Importance of Authenticity:** Jo Malone stresses the significance of staying true to oneself and one's instincts, even when it means taking a lonely path. She believes that integrity and truthfulness are key to building a successful and sustainable brand.
4. **The Role of Uncomfortable Moments:** Malone embraces uncomfortable situations as opportunities for growth and creativity. She sees discomfort as a catalyst for challenging the status quo and finding innovative solutions.
5. **The Need for Hard Work:** Jo Malone emphasizes the value of hard work and dedication. She believes that putting in the effort and staying focused on goals leads to a sense of accomplishment and satisfaction.
6. **The Art of Compartmentalization:** Malone discusses her ability to compartmentalize moments in her life, allowing her to focus on positive aspects and move forward. She sees this as a protective mechanism that helps her survive mentally and emotionally.
7. **The Importance of Legacy:** Jo Malone views legacy not in terms of physical possessions but as the impact she has on people's lives. She strives to leave a lasting imprint of goodness, kindness, and creativity through her work and interactions.
8. **The Golden Rule for High-Performance:** Malone's golden rule for living a high-performance life is to have the courage to venture into uncharted territories and embrace new experiences, even if it means losing sight of the familiar.
## Conclusion:
Jo Malone's journey is a testament to the power of resilience, authenticity, and the pursuit of purpose. Her insights offer valuable lessons for entrepreneurs and individuals seeking to achieve success and fulfillment in their personal and professional lives. Malone's emphasis on embracing discomfort, working hard, and staying true to oneself serves as a reminder that the path to greatness often lies beyond the boundaries of comfort and convention.
##Summary: High Performance Podcast Episode with Jo Malone CBE##
### Guest:
Jo Malone CBE, Founder & Creative Director of Jo Loves, a household name and one of the world’s most successful businesswomen.
### Key Points:
* Jo Malone shares her journey from modest beginnings to building a highly successful brand, Jo Malone London, which she eventually sold and left before launching her ‘Jo Loves’ range inspired by the memories and moments in life that she loves.
* Despite facing challenges such as cancer and career upheaval, Jo emphasizes the importance of resilience and finding opportunities within challenges.
* Jo highlights the significance of instinct and authenticity in achieving success, drawing inspiration from Queen's Gambit and the idea of playing instinctively.
* The podcast aims to ask genuine questions that can impact the lives of others, creating a space for vulnerable and honest conversations.
* Jo emphasizes the value of feedback and criticism, recognizing that it can lead to personal and professional growth.
* The podcast team believes in creating a safe space for guests to share their stories, leading to more meaningful and impactful conversations.
* Jo shares her experience of being a female entrepreneur in a male-dominated industry, facing criticism and skepticism.
* The importance of surrounding oneself with a supportive team and seeking out mentors and role models is discussed.
* Jo stresses the significance of taking calculated risks and embracing opportunities, even when they seem daunting.
* The power of vulnerability and sharing personal experiences to connect with others and create a sense of community is highlighted.
* Jo emphasizes the importance of self-care and maintaining a healthy work-life balance.
### Overall Message:
The episode underscores the idea that success is not easy and that it requires resilience, hard work, and the ability to learn from challenges. It also highlights the significance of authenticity, vulnerability, and creating a supportive community.
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[03:08.640 -> 03:12.560] the whites of their eyes, or you can see the emotion on their faces as well as hear it in
[03:12.560 -> 03:18.640] their voices. But this week's episode is really special. This is what you can expect over the
[03:18.640 -> 03:27.200] next hour or so. Just because you're successful, it doesn't make every decision you make the right one.
[03:27.200 -> 03:31.800] We make mistakes. That's what being human beings is all about. It's what you do with
[03:31.800 -> 03:37.240] those mistakes, what you do without regret and those mistakes. That's what causes us
[03:37.240 -> 03:38.240] to grow.
[03:38.240 -> 03:42.960] I really can't wait for you to hear this one. And I would like to wish all of you who've
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[03:49.760 -> 03:53.920] launched the High Performance Podcast. In that time, we've had tens of millions of views on
[03:53.920 -> 03:59.760] social media. We've had almost 4 million downloads of the podcast, but more than that, we've helped
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[04:29.960 -> 04:34.840] Not being afraid to fail, which is something that's always haunted me, living in the moment,
[04:34.840 -> 04:39.720] focusing on the process and not the destination, all just unbelievable messages. Don't get
[04:39.720 -> 04:51.180] me wrong, I don't profess to be fixed or cured, but I know these are lessons I need to keep practicing every day to help me be the best version of myself for me for my beautiful family and friends this
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[05:00.680 -> 05:05.080] And if anyone says to Damian and I, why do you do that high performance
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[05:34.840 -> 05:40.640] Performance Podcast and it's now time for this week's episode.
[05:43.720 -> 05:48.560] You're listening to the High Performance Podcast, the pod that delves into the minds of some
[05:48.560 -> 05:53.320] of the most successful artists, visionaries, entrepreneurs, and sports people on the planet
[05:53.320 -> 05:58.280] with one aim, to unlock the secrets to their success. The professor is with me today and
[05:58.280 -> 06:02.880] Damian, today we celebrate someone who has enjoyed enormous success, but as we're about
[06:02.880 -> 06:09.920] to hear, not without challenges and tests along the way, which is something we find a ddod o'r ffordd i'r unig un sy'n mwynhau cymorth enorm, ond fel y dylai ni'n clywed, heb gynhaliadau a testau ar y ffordd, sy'n rhywbeth rydyn ni'n ei ddod yn so'n aml gyda'n gwestiynau.
[06:09.920 -> 06:13.360] Ie, yn unig, Jake, ac rwy'n mwynhau cymorth am y gwestiwn heno.
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[06:19.360 -> 06:24.240] cyfathrebu gan y nifer o fathau rydyn ni'n eu cymryd, ond gan y momenty sy'n cymryd ein fathau.
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[06:26.600 -> 06:29.040] viewing life through moments,
[06:29.040 -> 06:31.120] and I'm really intrigued to explore that mindset
[06:31.120 -> 06:32.000] a little bit more.
[06:32.000 -> 06:32.940] Well, let's get going then,
[06:32.940 -> 06:35.960] because today we are in the company of Jo Malone,
[06:35.960 -> 06:39.540] possibly one of the most famous names in the country.
[06:39.540 -> 06:41.280] But who is the person behind the name?
[06:41.280 -> 06:43.800] Well, it's a lady who learned resilience at a young age,
[06:43.800 -> 06:49.840] achieved every entrepreneur's dream, but then knew she'd made a terrible mistake. She was changed
[06:49.840 -> 06:55.080] through her own experience with cancer, yet she relentlessly moves forward. Today, she
[06:55.080 -> 07:00.060] runs the Jo Loves brand. She's detailed her life in her autobiography, My Story, and today
[07:00.060 -> 07:05.000] we want her story to impact your life. So please welcome Jo to the podcast.
[07:05.000 -> 07:07.000] Jo, thank you so much for being with us.
[07:07.000 -> 07:08.000] Oh, thank you.
[07:08.000 -> 07:11.000] Thank you so much for asking me to come on and share my story and my thoughts.
[07:11.000 -> 07:14.000] I always feel it's such a privilege to do that.
[07:14.000 -> 07:16.000] Great, because it is an amazing story.
[07:16.000 -> 07:19.000] And we will start with the same question that we ask every guest.
[07:19.000 -> 07:22.000] What in your mind is high performance?
[07:22.000 -> 07:25.840] Well, for me, it's bringing the very best of yourself
[07:25.840 -> 07:28.000] and perfecting it every single day.
[07:28.000 -> 07:30.480] So no matter who you are, where you come from,
[07:30.480 -> 07:34.480] what you do, you can be better every single day
[07:34.480 -> 07:35.320] in your life.
[07:35.320 -> 07:40.320] And for me, that is that constant pursuit of perfection.
[07:41.680 -> 07:43.560] You know, resilience is a topic, Jo,
[07:43.560 -> 07:45.080] that often comes up on this podcast.
[07:45.080 -> 07:46.400] And I know that you've said
[07:46.400 -> 07:48.200] that you had to be an adult age 10.
[07:48.200 -> 07:50.100] It was your responsibility to look in the fridge
[07:50.100 -> 07:51.940] and see whether there was meals to be cooked.
[07:51.940 -> 07:53.860] You had to start work because you had no choice,
[07:53.860 -> 07:55.900] because you had to provide for the family.
[07:55.900 -> 07:57.380] Those were in many ways the moments
[07:57.380 -> 07:59.360] that created your own resilience.
[07:59.360 -> 08:01.320] And what people often ask us is,
[08:01.320 -> 08:05.480] do you need to go through those moments to build resilience? Or is it
[08:05.480 -> 08:07.680] something that we kind of have within us?
[08:07.680 -> 08:13.760] I think as a child, I didn't choose to be in that position. I didn't choose to have
[08:13.760 -> 08:18.040] to think about where the next meal was coming from, from the age of eight years old. I mean,
[08:18.040 -> 08:23.560] that wasn't... But I don't think it matters where you come from in life. You can always
[08:23.560 -> 08:25.840] make the very best of something.
[08:25.840 -> 08:31.120] I think my parents actually did teach me that, whoever you are, whatever you have, make the
[08:31.120 -> 08:34.400] very best, give your very best to that.
[08:34.400 -> 08:36.640] It's an attitude of mine, I think, a lot.
[08:36.640 -> 08:42.400] But that resilience doesn't always come from standing frontline in a war.
[08:42.400 -> 08:49.640] It often comes from that day-to-day pursuit every single day and not that not-quit attitude and I think that's where my,
[08:49.640 -> 08:54.880] because you know, bad things happen to good people, it's a reality and
[08:54.880 -> 08:59.080] look at the situation that we're in as a world at the moment where, you know, bad
[08:59.080 -> 09:04.200] things are happening every single day to people but so are good things and I
[09:04.200 -> 09:05.260] think it's a mindset,
[09:05.260 -> 09:07.940] I think it's how you look at resilience,
[09:07.940 -> 09:09.980] it's how you look at fights, that,
[09:09.980 -> 09:12.400] and that sense of, I mean, for me,
[09:12.400 -> 09:14.720] resilience means don't quit.
[09:14.720 -> 09:17.660] Resilience is, you know, sometimes we move forward
[09:17.660 -> 09:19.800] in situations and we walk towards our goal,
[09:19.800 -> 09:22.940] and sometimes you just have to hold your ground.
[09:22.940 -> 09:25.220] Resilience isn't always about moving forward
[09:25.220 -> 09:26.580] and being successful.
[09:26.580 -> 09:28.960] And I think when I look back at my life,
[09:28.960 -> 09:30.900] I wouldn't change a thing, isn't that weird?
[09:30.900 -> 09:32.400] I really wouldn't change a thing
[09:32.400 -> 09:35.060] because I think I am the person I am today
[09:35.060 -> 09:37.720] because of all those steps.
[09:37.720 -> 09:40.180] I might change some of the things I've said to people
[09:40.180 -> 09:41.920] because I'm quite impulsive,
[09:41.920 -> 09:43.480] but I wouldn't change my life in it,
[09:43.480 -> 09:45.040] not even the cancer chapter. And I
[09:45.040 -> 09:51.040] know that sounds a very strange thing to say, but I learned so much about myself. I learned about
[09:51.040 -> 09:55.760] life. I learned about love. And I learned about the things I didn't want in my life.
[09:55.760 -> 10:00.960] So can I ask you then, Jo, I mean, that's quite the statement that even facing something like
[10:00.960 -> 10:05.520] that cancer diagnosis that you had, As somebody that has survived it,
[10:05.520 -> 10:06.520] what did you learn?
[10:06.520 -> 10:13.240] I learned a lot about Joe. I learned a lot about the things that I really loved in life.
[10:13.240 -> 10:18.640] And business, I mean, people look at my story and they think to themselves, you know, she's
[10:18.640 -> 10:26.600] a successful businesswoman. But I wasn't that all the way through my life. I built my life and I didn't allow other people's opinions
[10:26.600 -> 10:29.960] of me to form my dreams and my aspirations.
[10:29.960 -> 10:33.080] So I remember the night I was diagnosed with cancer
[10:33.080 -> 10:37.680] and within 48 hours, I was given months to live.
[10:37.680 -> 10:41.120] And I remember coming home and I was a woman in my,
[10:41.960 -> 10:43.360] I was 38 years old.
[10:43.360 -> 10:45.560] I had a little boy who was running around.
[10:45.560 -> 10:47.520] I had a gorgeous husband that I adored
[10:47.520 -> 10:51.040] and I just, I felt broken by that.
[10:51.040 -> 10:55.200] You know, having your life just snatched away in a second.
[10:55.200 -> 10:57.560] But I remember sitting quietly on my own
[10:57.560 -> 11:00.400] about an hour later once the tears had stopped
[11:00.400 -> 11:03.600] and I remember that resilience, that fight,
[11:03.600 -> 11:07.040] that Joe fight that I know so well, sitting
[11:07.040 -> 11:11.220] there and saying, why are you going to listen to somebody telling you how long you've got
[11:11.220 -> 11:12.220] to live?
[11:12.220 -> 11:15.380] You've never taken anyone's advice in your life.
[11:15.380 -> 11:17.380] You've always done what you felt.
[11:17.380 -> 11:18.640] Where's that fight now?
[11:18.640 -> 11:25.000] And I felt myself filling with a sense of, I'm going to do everything I can to survive.
[11:27.000 -> 11:31.000] And I think that's part of, when you talk about performance,
[11:31.000 -> 11:35.000] high performance, it's that survival instinct in me.
[11:35.000 -> 11:37.000] And I see it in many others as well.
[11:37.000 -> 11:39.000] I see that survival.
[11:39.000 -> 11:42.000] And I think, you know, facing cancer,
[11:42.000 -> 11:45.000] I saw what I really wanted in life.
[11:45.160 -> 11:48.120] And I saw, and I actually, when it was all over
[11:48.120 -> 11:49.520] and I got through the other end,
[11:49.520 -> 11:52.640] I had a good old sprinkling of my life as well.
[11:52.640 -> 11:55.080] And I thought, I don't want to be around people
[11:55.080 -> 11:55.980] that drain me.
[11:58.800 -> 12:01.640] We can't all live our lives with perfect people around us.
[12:01.640 -> 12:02.840] Of course we can't.
[12:02.840 -> 12:06.120] But there were certain things and situations and people
[12:06.120 -> 12:08.040] that really drained me,
[12:08.040 -> 12:10.240] and I didn't want that in my life either.
[12:10.240 -> 12:11.720] And how much of a challenge, Jo,
[12:11.720 -> 12:14.880] was it to then hold on to that change of mindset?
[12:14.880 -> 12:16.680] Because I think sometimes we can go through something
[12:16.680 -> 12:17.960] as huge as that and be right,
[12:17.960 -> 12:19.960] I'm now going to be a new person.
[12:19.960 -> 12:22.320] Then life carries on and you start a new career
[12:22.320 -> 12:23.960] or your kids start school.
[12:23.960 -> 12:25.560] And before you know it, you've forgotten
[12:25.560 -> 12:27.000] what were those amazing lessons
[12:27.000 -> 12:29.280] that going through that cancer journey taught me?
[12:29.280 -> 12:31.740] How do I not let it slip through my fingers?
[12:32.920 -> 12:34.240] I did let it slip through my fingers,
[12:34.240 -> 12:35.880] so that's a really great question.
[12:35.880 -> 12:37.660] And I'm being really candid and honest.
[12:37.660 -> 12:38.640] And I did, I did.
[12:38.640 -> 12:39.880] It's like sand.
[12:39.880 -> 12:42.920] You know, when we go through situations in our life
[12:42.920 -> 12:47.080] and when you pick up wet sand and you hold it in your hand,
[12:47.080 -> 12:49.480] and then as life goes on, it starts to dry out,
[12:49.480 -> 12:51.720] and then you open your hand and it's gone.
[12:51.720 -> 12:54.560] And I think wisdom can sometimes be like that,
[12:54.560 -> 12:57.600] but not all of it, not all of it.
[12:57.600 -> 13:00.880] And I think that's a natural thing
[13:00.880 -> 13:03.360] when you face kind of your own mortality.
[13:04.240 -> 13:06.980] But I never looked at cancer as the most awful thing
[13:06.980 -> 13:08.180] that ever happened to me.
[13:08.180 -> 13:12.500] I looked at it, and I still do, as a chapter of my life.
[13:12.500 -> 13:16.900] And I've always had this ability to put things
[13:16.900 -> 13:19.180] in compartments in my head,
[13:19.180 -> 13:21.260] and cancer was definitely one of those.
[13:21.260 -> 13:23.460] So it's a chapter in my life to me,
[13:23.460 -> 13:24.900] and the things I learned from it,
[13:24.900 -> 13:28.280] and I don't think about it anymore. I don't think about the fact
[13:28.280 -> 13:31.800] that I survived or the fact that I had to fight. Every now and again it will
[13:31.800 -> 13:36.840] rear its head and it'll scare me or it'll do something but it doesn't rule
[13:36.840 -> 13:42.920] my life. I never let it and I think you know not everyone is going to fight
[13:42.920 -> 13:45.760] cancer but we all will have challenges in a life
[13:45.840 -> 13:51.120] We all will face things where we feel we're standing on the edge of that mountain and we're about to go over
[13:51.120 -> 13:57.160] And it's how you survive that it's how you and how you allow that experience
[13:57.640 -> 14:00.280] to not allow you to become bitter and
[14:01.360 -> 14:05.340] Resentful and I never let cancer take that from me. I never let it take
[14:05.340 -> 14:11.540] and make me... I mean, listen, I spent moments where I was very angry and why me?
[14:11.540 -> 14:18.660] But I never let it stay. I let it move on and you know, cancer happened
[14:18.660 -> 14:22.220] to me and I survived it and if it happened to me again I would fight it.
[14:22.220 -> 14:25.200] But it's not the whole book of Joe.
[14:25.200 -> 14:26.800] How much common ground, Joe,
[14:26.800 -> 14:29.840] that when you're describing that experience of coming home,
[14:29.840 -> 14:31.520] having received that diagnosis,
[14:33.200 -> 14:37.680] there seems some parallels there between what I read you'd said at the age of 11,
[14:37.680 -> 14:42.080] growing up in Bexley Heath, where you remember thinking to yourself,
[14:42.080 -> 14:43.600] this is not how I want to live.
[14:43.600 -> 14:46.080] I want a life that's better than this.
[14:46.080 -> 14:48.680] How many parallels were there between the 11 year old you
[14:48.680 -> 14:53.680] and the 37 year old you with that devastating diagnosis?
[14:54.000 -> 14:56.040] And the 58 year old as well.
[14:57.120 -> 14:59.400] I think there's a lot of parallels.
[14:59.400 -> 15:01.280] I think that sense of,
[15:03.040 -> 15:06.800] do you know what, I always think every single day of my life I get up
[15:06.800 -> 15:13.200] with enthusiasm and I give everything to that day that I possibly can and I go to bed at night
[15:13.200 -> 15:18.720] slightly exhausted but proud and I think I've lived my life like that all the way through and
[15:18.720 -> 15:26.920] I always believed that there is something else out there every single day. And lockdown has really proved that to me actually.
[15:26.920 -> 15:28.620] But I remember being in lockdown
[15:28.620 -> 15:30.960] when I was living in New York and on chemo.
[15:30.960 -> 15:35.920] And I remember this amazing kind of awareness
[15:35.920 -> 15:39.920] that there was so much life to live out there.
[15:39.920 -> 15:41.560] And I wanted to be part of it.
[15:41.560 -> 15:43.520] And I do want to be part of it.
[15:44.780 -> 15:46.920] And I just think those parallels,
[15:46.920 -> 15:51.320] that strength and that grit, that real grit.
[15:51.320 -> 15:53.120] And you can often see it though, can't you,
[15:53.120 -> 15:54.200] in entrepreneurs?
[15:54.200 -> 15:56.020] You often see that real,
[15:59.200 -> 16:00.720] it's not quit attitude.
[16:02.720 -> 16:08.400] And I never felt that I was unworthy, even though I had no education, I hadn't finished
[16:08.400 -> 16:15.800] school, I didn't come from a wealthy background, all of those things, but I still didn't let
[16:15.800 -> 16:20.160] that define and dissolve my dreams.
[16:20.160 -> 16:21.420] And I'm a dreamer, I am.
[16:21.420 -> 16:25.720] I think that's part of what makes me who I am.
[16:25.720 -> 16:27.080] I dream big.
[16:27.080 -> 16:28.880] And the bigger you dream,
[16:28.880 -> 16:31.720] the more chances you have of attaining that.
[16:31.720 -> 16:33.280] So where does that come from then, Jo?
[16:33.280 -> 16:36.120] Because like you say, there'll be people listening to this
[16:36.120 -> 16:39.800] that maybe grew up in similar circumstances
[16:39.800 -> 16:42.560] that don't dream so big.
[16:42.560 -> 16:45.500] So what advice would you give for anyone
[16:45.500 -> 16:47.660] about that capacity to do that?
[16:47.660 -> 16:50.900] Well, what I would say is, it's your responsibility.
[16:50.900 -> 16:52.580] It's no one else's responsibility
[16:52.580 -> 16:54.820] to fulfill your dreams but yourself.
[16:54.820 -> 16:59.300] And at the moment, we're living in really life,
[16:59.300 -> 17:02.660] world-changing times where every,
[17:02.660 -> 17:06.320] and I think taking that responsibility upon yourself and saying, if
[17:06.320 -> 17:11.640] I want to make this happen, I've got to make that happen with me.
[17:11.640 -> 17:16.240] And I've never felt in my life that it was someone else's responsibility.
[17:16.240 -> 17:21.640] And I never want someone else to think they can take my dreams and make them their own
[17:21.640 -> 17:22.640] either.
[17:22.640 -> 17:23.640] Do you know what I mean?
[17:23.640 -> 17:29.640] I think everybody is responsible for their own and accountable for who they are and what they do. I remember
[17:29.640 -> 17:35.440] this wonderful woman who helped change my life called Anna Albright and she was a cognitive
[17:35.440 -> 17:42.320] therapist and at the time I was really struggling with my mental health. I mean that's creativity,
[17:42.320 -> 17:45.000] negative and positive often goes hand in hand.
[17:45.160 -> 17:47.600] And I remember her saying to me, and I said,
[17:47.600 -> 17:51.680] why do I react in this certain way to a situation?
[17:51.680 -> 17:53.700] And she said, it's the little girl in you.
[17:53.700 -> 17:57.360] It's the little girl that knew that it was all up to her
[17:57.360 -> 17:58.520] to make it happen.
[17:59.400 -> 18:02.880] And I remember going away and thinking about that.
[18:02.880 -> 18:04.580] And I didn't look at that with sadness.
[18:04.580 -> 18:09.820] I looked at that situation with such, that little girl that lived on that
[18:09.820 -> 18:14.920] council estate and she had to put all the little pieces, no matter what the
[18:14.920 -> 18:18.920] pieces were, she had to put them together and make something. That's
[18:18.920 -> 18:23.880] what caused me to be who I am today. So all the things that happen to us in life
[18:23.880 -> 18:25.100] are often
[18:25.100 -> 18:29.320] those little pieces that are really important and what it does is it says
[18:29.320 -> 18:35.720] that nothing is wasted. And I started to really rethink things in a different
[18:35.720 -> 18:39.320] fashion and I think that was a really big breakthrough for me as a person
[18:39.320 -> 18:43.760] looking at some of the things that happen to us. They often take us into a
[18:43.760 -> 18:49.920] different perspective and again going back to sort of, you know, hate and bitterness and all
[18:49.920 -> 18:54.120] the things that, that started to push all of that away from me and I
[18:54.120 -> 18:59.800] started to see a much more positive approach to things, much more wholeness.
[18:59.800 -> 19:01.080] Does that make sense?
[19:01.080 -> 19:02.680] Oh, it makes perfect sense.
[19:02.680 -> 19:07.040] I think there's a really interesting phrase that I sometimes use where I say that you
[19:07.040 -> 19:11.120] can often see the ghost of people's childhoods rattling around their adult bodies.
[19:11.120 -> 19:13.360] Oh, I love that.
[19:13.360 -> 19:14.360] That's so true.
[19:14.360 -> 19:21.040] Yeah, and so I'm interested in terms of what elements of your childhood then would we still
[19:21.040 -> 19:29.040] see today if we had seen like the little girl from Bexley Heath and seeing you today? What are the links that we'd see?
[19:29.040 -> 19:34.480] Oh do you know I've got tears in my eyes thinking about that. What an amazing question.
[19:34.480 -> 19:40.400] I don't look at them as ghosts but I look at them as, it's so funny my
[19:40.400 -> 19:49.760] mum and my dad and my sister have all passed away. But I felt the presence, not in a weird way, but I felt the energy of my dad in the last
[19:49.760 -> 19:51.600] year, actually.
[19:51.600 -> 19:52.600] He was a big loner.
[19:52.600 -> 19:53.880] He was a brilliant artist.
[19:53.880 -> 20:00.040] But what is still within me is the little girl that did the markets.
[20:00.040 -> 20:09.840] I'm absolutely, I still feel, I love a market anyway, I love the whole thing about shopkeepers
[20:09.840 -> 20:16.320] and all of that, so I think there's still that kid there. I still to this day look to see that
[20:16.320 -> 20:28.880] there's four meals in our fridge, so in case anything happened I can at least get us through four or five days. I still have that mentality. I have, I'm not wasting things.
[20:28.880 -> 20:30.000] You know, I hate waste.
[20:30.000 -> 20:33.480] I hate, although I don't have to worry
[20:33.480 -> 20:35.360] about an electric bill or a gas bill
[20:35.360 -> 20:37.360] or anything like that anymore.
[20:37.360 -> 20:42.360] I still have that real sense that waste is so wrong
[20:42.640 -> 20:44.400] in any form.
[20:44.400 -> 20:46.520] So that's the little girl in me.
[20:47.960 -> 20:50.480] I was never frightened about my lack of education.
[20:50.480 -> 20:52.360] Everyone else was, but I wasn't.
[20:52.360 -> 20:53.800] And I think there's still that within me.
[20:53.800 -> 20:57.600] And I'm never frightened of putting my hand up and saying,
[20:57.600 -> 20:58.760] what does that mean?
[20:58.760 -> 21:00.080] I don't understand that.
[21:00.080 -> 21:01.560] Can you explain that to me?
[21:01.560 -> 21:03.200] And people find that really strange
[21:03.200 -> 21:06.280] that I would show that vulnerability,
[21:06.280 -> 21:09.720] but actually, we're all here to learn, aren't we?
[21:09.720 -> 21:11.040] We're all here to,
[21:11.040 -> 21:13.000] and if I don't understand how something works
[21:13.000 -> 21:15.240] and I don't understand a word or,
[21:15.240 -> 21:16.320] just put my hand up,
[21:16.320 -> 21:20.000] and I think the little girl in me is,
[21:20.000 -> 21:21.320] that's how I learn.
[21:21.320 -> 21:23.240] I would ask loads and loads and loads and loads
[21:23.240 -> 21:24.280] of questions,
[21:24.280 -> 21:26.840] and I would question then the answer.
[21:26.840 -> 21:29.160] I think that is still in me as well.
[21:29.160 -> 21:30.900] It's a lovely question, thank you.
[21:30.900 -> 21:33.300] I really enjoyed what you said about nothing is wasted, Jo,
[21:33.300 -> 21:34.940] because it's a reminder to people
[21:34.940 -> 21:36.540] who might be listening to this podcast
[21:36.540 -> 21:39.720] and they might be going through a bad time at the moment,
[21:39.720 -> 21:41.520] whether it personally or professionally,
[21:41.520 -> 21:45.120] that you can be going through bad times,
[21:45.120 -> 21:47.800] but it doesn't mean that they're not useful times.
[21:47.800 -> 21:49.240] Yeah, and they don't last forever.
[21:49.240 -> 21:51.920] That's what I think we have to tell ourselves right now,
[21:51.920 -> 21:54.280] is this is not gonna be forever.
[21:54.280 -> 21:57.960] And often, when you go through challenging times,
[21:57.960 -> 21:59.900] and it doesn't have to be cancer or a pandemic,
[21:59.900 -> 22:01.920] it can be you might have lost your job,
[22:01.920 -> 22:04.080] there's a lot of people out there right now
[22:04.080 -> 22:05.440] that are struggling.
[22:05.440 -> 22:07.600] And they're struggling because they feel isolated
[22:07.600 -> 22:10.520] and they feel that their dreams have been taken away
[22:10.520 -> 22:12.760] and for lots and lots of reasons.
[22:12.760 -> 22:15.320] But what I would say to them is,
[22:15.320 -> 22:17.760] this is not, the place you're standing right now
[22:17.760 -> 22:19.160] is not forever.
[22:19.160 -> 22:21.020] This pandemic is not forever.
[22:21.020 -> 22:23.080] I think the next year will be challenging,
[22:23.080 -> 22:28.480] but it's not, we're gonna start to see ourselves step forward and forward and forward and forward until one day we wake
[22:28.480 -> 22:35.240] up when we realize, you know what, it's behind us and I survived that. But it's how you,
[22:35.240 -> 22:41.520] I think it's really important, is how you survive something and how you realize in yourself
[22:41.520 -> 22:46.920] that if you start to look laterally in life rather than just focus on one point,
[22:46.920 -> 22:50.480] it's okay, so I have to stand still at this moment in time,
[22:50.480 -> 22:53.560] but what can I move forward in my life?
[22:53.560 -> 22:55.000] What are the steps I can take?
[22:55.000 -> 22:57.980] Because if you move your life laterally forward
[22:57.980 -> 23:00.680] rather than just from one perspective,
[23:00.680 -> 23:04.520] you have much more chance of feeling happier
[23:04.520 -> 23:06.000] and feeling more fulfilled.
[23:06.000 -> 23:08.000] So what are the things you can move forward?
[23:08.000 -> 23:09.000] And you know what?
[23:09.000 -> 23:14.000] All of us, all of us will have something that we can move forward.
[23:14.000 -> 23:20.000] And that one step of positivity makes you start to see the rest in a different perspective.
[23:20.000 -> 23:27.200] And I enjoy tremendously going and sharing my life story with people.
[23:27.200 -> 23:29.200] And I've done it a lot in schools.
[23:29.200 -> 23:33.840] And I've always, one of the things I always leave them with is never make a life-changing
[23:33.840 -> 23:36.680] decision on a bad day.
[23:36.680 -> 23:41.680] And you know, sometimes on bad days, life gives us the results and we had no control
[23:41.680 -> 23:42.680] over it.
[23:42.680 -> 23:45.340] But never make that life-changing decision on a bad day
[23:45.340 -> 23:48.420] because the landscape of life
[23:48.420 -> 23:50.900] will often change very dramatically.
[23:50.900 -> 23:54.300] And you suddenly find yourself standing in a position
[23:54.300 -> 23:56.700] and the whole landscape has changed.
[23:56.700 -> 23:58.780] And you think to yourself,
[23:58.780 -> 24:01.260] if I hadn't made that decision, where would I be today?
[24:01.260 -> 24:03.480] That's when regret steps in.
[24:03.480 -> 24:05.320] That's when, that's dangerous.
[24:05.320 -> 24:07.840] That's a dangerous position for me, I know that.
[24:07.840 -> 24:09.920] When I start to feel regret,
[24:09.920 -> 24:12.560] I have to pick myself up really quickly.
[24:12.560 -> 24:16.000] And you have felt it because you've sold your business,
[24:16.000 -> 24:18.520] Joe Malone, and wonderful,
[24:18.520 -> 24:20.480] you get a load of money into your bank.
[24:20.480 -> 24:22.080] Lots of people would think, there you go,
[24:22.080 -> 24:23.200] that's the entrepreneur's dream,
[24:23.200 -> 24:27.000] build a business quickly, sell it for a lot of money, but I've heard you talk about your
[24:27.000 -> 24:31.100] final day with Joe Malone being yours and you're putting the bottles on the
[24:31.100 -> 24:35.460] shelf and you're in the shop and you know you've made an horrendous decision.
[24:35.460 -> 24:39.320] So did you make that decision on a bad day?
[24:39.320 -> 24:46.440] No, I made that decision on a very good And, but life turned around and changed me.
[24:46.440 -> 24:47.560] We sold our business.
[24:47.560 -> 24:50.200] So both Gary and I are business partners,
[24:50.200 -> 24:52.680] husband and wife, best friends, business partners.
[24:52.680 -> 24:53.500] And-
[24:53.500 -> 24:54.720] That's an achievement in itself, by the way.
[24:54.720 -> 24:56.840] On my part, yes.
[24:58.640 -> 24:59.800] Definitely on his.
[25:01.120 -> 25:04.640] And I think that when we sold our business,
[25:04.640 -> 25:09.000] we had this wonderful little gem of a British business,
[25:09.000 -> 25:11.080] but she was growing, Jemalone London,
[25:11.080 -> 25:14.720] cream and black box was growing so rapidly.
[25:14.720 -> 25:16.880] And we were just running out of money.
[25:16.880 -> 25:19.800] We owned 100% equity of that company
[25:19.800 -> 25:22.560] and we were running out of it.
[25:22.560 -> 25:25.200] So every time you went into a new territory.
[25:25.200 -> 25:27.000] So I think Gary and I both knew
[25:27.000 -> 25:29.200] that we either had to borrow money,
[25:29.200 -> 25:31.000] we had to partner with somebody,
[25:31.000 -> 25:34.420] or we had to be, we needed deep pockets,
[25:34.420 -> 25:36.960] we needed people that understood distribution,
[25:36.960 -> 25:39.560] and we needed someone that loved the industry.
[25:39.560 -> 25:44.560] And when Estee Lauder came into our lives at that moment,
[25:48.360 -> 25:51.040] and it took a good 18 months of courting backwards and forwards and meetings.
[25:51.040 -> 25:55.080] But when they actually made the offer, it was, and I don't regret that decision, I
[25:55.080 -> 25:59.680] don't regret selling to them at all in any way, shape or form.
[25:59.680 -> 26:09.880] And for the first couple of years, it was a dream come true. We were two kids who had had nothing, sleeping on a piece of blue foam from home base as
[26:09.880 -> 26:17.920] our bed, and suddenly there we were, probably secure for the rest of our lives.
[26:17.920 -> 26:25.120] But halfway into that first five years, that's when I was diagnosed with cancer.
[26:25.120 -> 26:28.320] And I took a year out and I fought it.
[26:28.320 -> 26:30.840] And when I came back, my mindset was in,
[26:32.080 -> 26:34.480] I was standing in a very, very different position.
[26:34.480 -> 26:37.600] I had no sense of smell because of the chemo.
[26:37.600 -> 26:40.600] And I thought that was never gonna come back.
[26:40.600 -> 26:42.500] I was wrong, very, very wrong there.
[26:48.080 -> 26:55.040] I'd lost my confidence. Of course I had, you know, half my body was wrong, very, very wrong there. I'd lost my confidence. Of course I had. Half my body was missing, my hair was gone. I was in a very different place and I'd lost
[26:55.040 -> 27:01.760] who Jo was. I was wrong there. Jo was still there. And I just didn't feel, I didn't feel
[27:01.760 -> 27:06.440] we were part of something anymore. And I probably was right there.
[27:06.440 -> 27:10.280] That's a sort of honesty.
[27:10.280 -> 27:13.400] I think, you know, understandably,
[27:13.400 -> 27:15.240] the business had moved on.
[27:15.240 -> 27:18.400] So when I made that call to leave it and walk away,
[27:18.400 -> 27:21.520] I made it with a very logical head,
[27:21.520 -> 27:24.480] and, but I knew that my life was,
[27:24.480 -> 27:27.040] I could feel my life changing but I remember
[27:27.040 -> 27:30.880] that last day and that's what you're referring to when I turned the key, I asked to be the last
[27:30.880 -> 27:36.320] person to turn the key in the door and I put the bottles on the shelf for the last time and it
[27:36.320 -> 27:44.160] suddenly occurred to me that I'd sold a business, I was leaving a business but in fact that business
[27:44.160 -> 27:46.160] was my best friend.
[27:46.160 -> 27:47.960] And it was the thing that brought me alive.
[27:47.960 -> 27:49.840] Creating fragrance was the thing,
[27:49.840 -> 27:52.240] and it suddenly all dawned on me,
[27:52.240 -> 27:54.520] and that's the bit that I regretted.
[27:54.520 -> 27:56.920] Oh my God, what am I gonna do tomorrow?
[27:56.920 -> 27:58.520] And for a bit, you know what we-
[27:58.520 -> 28:01.720] I wonder why you didn't see that sooner though, Jo.
[28:01.720 -> 28:04.560] Because we're people, you know, this whole thing.
[28:04.560 -> 28:08.740] Just because you're successful, it doesn't make every decision you make the right one we
[28:08.740 -> 28:13.220] make mistakes that's what being human beings is all about it's what you do
[28:13.220 -> 28:16.900] with those mistakes what you do without regret and those mistakes that's
[28:16.900 -> 28:22.160] that's what causes us to grow. Why didn't it dawned on me before? Do you know
[28:22.160 -> 28:25.120] what I can't answer that. I don't know.
[28:25.120 -> 28:26.160] I really don't know.
[28:26.160 -> 28:28.600] But the minute I walked down that street,
[28:28.600 -> 28:31.200] oh boy, that's when it hit me.
[28:31.200 -> 28:35.080] That regret, that spiraling,
[28:35.080 -> 28:36.920] what am I gonna do tomorrow?
[28:36.920 -> 28:38.520] What am I gonna do for the rest of my life?
[28:38.520 -> 28:41.320] And we had a five-year lockout, rightly so.
[28:41.320 -> 28:42.640] We'd been paid a lot of money.
[28:42.640 -> 28:44.880] And for the first couple of months, we traveled.
[28:44.880 -> 28:49.040] We did some amazing things but I could be sitting in
[28:49.040 -> 28:54.520] in the most beautiful place on the face of this earth and I could feel this
[28:54.520 -> 29:02.160] heaviness of sadness. I just couldn't get out of it and I kept wanting to dream. I
[29:02.160 -> 29:08.840] would capture my thoughts and my dreams and say to myself, Joe, they're not yours anymore.
[29:08.840 -> 29:10.000] You have to let them go.
[29:10.000 -> 29:15.000] And I just couldn't let go of that entrepreneurial,
[29:15.360 -> 29:16.200] do you know what?
[29:16.200 -> 29:17.560] I don't think I've ever done an interview like this,
[29:17.560 -> 29:20.760] by the way, where I had spoken in such depth
[29:20.760 -> 29:22.980] about my emotions of what I felt.
[29:24.200 -> 29:25.760] Thank you, Thank you.
[29:25.760 -> 29:27.520] Are you alright with it?
[29:27.520 -> 29:32.080] Yeah, I'm absolutely fine. It's because I know people will identify.
[29:32.080 -> 29:38.000] Absolutely. I think it's important, Jo, to remember that people just see, well, you're
[29:38.000 -> 29:42.640] an expert at this, they see the perception because you created an amazing brand of Jo Malone.
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[29:45.960 -> 29:48.800] Behind everyone we speak to on this podcast,
[29:48.800 -> 29:50.640] you've achieved amazing things.
[29:50.640 -> 29:54.680] They've had to go to dark places to get those moments.
[29:54.680 -> 29:55.520] Yeah.
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[33:06.000 -> 33:08.000] Joe, I think your answer intrigues me
[33:08.000 -> 33:10.000] in terms of that
[33:10.000 -> 33:12.000] during that five year lockout
[33:12.000 -> 33:14.000] that you were in where there's research
[33:14.000 -> 33:16.000] on this where
[33:16.000 -> 33:18.000] they've done it with lottery winners
[33:18.000 -> 33:20.000] where they found that when somebody wins the lottery
[33:20.000 -> 33:22.000] their happiness will spike
[33:22.000 -> 33:24.000] massively for the first couple of months
[33:24.000 -> 33:26.400] and then it will go back to the level it was beforehand. bydd eu hapus yn ffwrddio'n fawr i'r cyfan o flwyddyn ac yna bydd yn mynd yn ôl i'r lefel
[33:26.400 -> 33:31.680] oedd yn ymlaen. Felly os oes gennych chi'n anhygoel, rydych chi'n unig yn fwy iechyd, anhygoel person
[33:32.320 -> 33:35.280] gan ddod o'r loteri. Dwi ddim yn credu bod fi'n hynny, ond.
[33:35.840 -> 33:40.400] Na, na, na, diolch. Nid oedd fy ngwneud ymlaen gyda chi, ond rydw i'n dweud
[33:41.120 -> 33:46.400] am eich bod chi wedi cael yr hyn a fyddai llawer o bobl yn ei ddysgrifio fel y scenario ideal hon. What I'm saying about you've had what many people would describe as this ideal scenario of
[33:46.400 -> 33:53.120] you found yourself fabulously wealthy, you've got time, wealth and resources to be able to enjoy it
[33:53.120 -> 33:55.720] and yet you describe that sense of sadness.
[33:55.720 -> 34:01.920] So how important is having that sense of purpose running through your life
[34:01.920 -> 34:05.360] to be able to give you that drive, that enthusiasm daily?
[34:05.360 -> 34:10.640] I don't think I'm governed by money. I think that's, I never have been. Money to me is
[34:11.840 -> 34:19.520] choice. That's all. It doesn't mean, for me, money doesn't equal happiness. It gives me freedom and
[34:19.520 -> 34:29.960] it gives me the power to choose and that power of choice is where the happiness comes from. Maybe that's why I felt what I did and that sense of purpose.
[34:29.960 -> 34:32.920] One of the things I love more than anything is to build.
[34:32.920 -> 34:37.440] It doesn't matter what I'm doing, building, learning every day, learning from people,
[34:37.440 -> 34:43.080] learning from experiences, learning from life and then taking that and then physically putting
[34:43.080 -> 34:44.080] some.
[34:44.080 -> 34:46.880] It's that little girl taking the pieces again of the puzzle and making something.
[34:46.880 -> 34:48.960] So I think that's what brings me purpose.
[34:48.960 -> 34:52.560] And the reason I spiraled in those five years...
[34:53.200 -> 34:54.960] By the way, my husband flourished.
[34:54.960 -> 34:58.720] He learned to play the guitar and he kept saying to me, enjoy it.
[34:58.720 -> 35:01.520] And why do you think he had a different approach to it?
[35:01.520 -> 35:04.960] What do you think was the fundamental difference between yourself and Gary?
[35:04.960 -> 35:07.600] Lovely Gary. He and I are such different
[35:07.600 -> 35:13.560] characters. I think that's a huge part of what's made us successful as a team
[35:13.560 -> 35:18.260] but as a marriage as well because I think if the two of us were like me, my
[35:18.260 -> 35:23.480] goodness, there'd be absolute fireworks. So I think it's a good, really, really
[35:23.480 -> 35:26.800] good balance. But those five years,
[35:26.800 -> 35:33.120] yeah, were not my happiest at all. And I found those five years harder than fighting for my life
[35:33.120 -> 35:39.120] in cancer. Because with cancer, I had a plan, I knew what I was heading towards, and every day I'd
[35:39.120 -> 35:51.400] walk towards it. I just suddenly had this five-year void. And I've heard many entrepreneurs, I think what's interesting about this is, you know,
[35:51.400 -> 35:56.140] entrepreneurs many, many years ago would build their businesses and hand them as their legacy
[35:56.140 -> 35:57.920] to the next generation.
[35:57.920 -> 35:59.880] That doesn't happen anymore.
[35:59.880 -> 36:04.400] Young people and younger entrepreneurs are building their business, selling their first
[36:04.400 -> 36:05.280] one, having
[36:05.280 -> 36:09.680] their period of lockout or whatever that is, and then they get this hunger, that hunger
[36:09.680 -> 36:10.680] again.
[36:10.680 -> 36:11.680] Why?
[36:11.680 -> 36:16.020] Because they've tasted, they've tasted the honey of global building.
[36:16.020 -> 36:20.900] And once you've tasted that, you yearn for that, for that taste again.
[36:20.900 -> 36:24.380] And you can see it time and time and time again happening.
[36:24.380 -> 36:27.600] And each business they build has a different dimension,
[36:27.600 -> 36:30.400] but they get stronger and stronger as an entrepreneur.
[36:30.400 -> 36:32.040] And we need that spirit.
[36:33.100 -> 36:36.400] And I think that's probably what happened to me.
[36:36.400 -> 36:40.320] You know, now building a second brand of Joe Loves
[36:40.320 -> 36:43.600] was much, much harder, much more difficult,
[36:43.600 -> 36:45.400] much more challenging than they,
[36:45.400 -> 36:48.120] and I made a hundred times more mistakes
[36:48.120 -> 36:49.800] in the second one than the first.
[36:49.800 -> 36:51.360] We lost a lot of money trying to build that
[36:51.360 -> 36:54.920] in the beginning, and I think a lot of it was naivety,
[36:54.920 -> 36:58.880] expectancy, you know, expecting people to know
[36:58.880 -> 37:00.280] that I'd left and they hadn't,
[37:00.280 -> 37:04.640] and that's the minute where I started
[37:04.640 -> 37:07.000] to get very disillusioned and think to myself,
[37:07.000 -> 37:09.000] what have I done?
[37:09.000 -> 37:15.000] I was living this wonderful life and I put myself back in the arena to build again
[37:15.000 -> 37:19.000] because of that desire to create and it's not working.
[37:19.000 -> 37:23.000] And it wasn't working in the first couple of years and we had to keep on and on and on.
[37:23.000 -> 37:25.680] And that's where the resilience comes back in.
[37:26.120 -> 37:30.520] And that sense of performance of, no, don't, you can't quit.
[37:30.680 -> 37:33.320] You just got to keep walking. You've got to keep moving.
[37:35.360 -> 37:39.240] And I think building Joe Loves,
[37:39.280 -> 37:43.200] I really found the diamond within me
[37:44.200 -> 37:45.000] during that time.
[37:47.120 -> 37:52.120] And that sense of purpose and understanding the importance,
[37:52.240 -> 37:53.760] you know, before when we built Jamalone,
[37:53.760 -> 37:56.120] there was no strategy, I've got to be honest.
[37:56.120 -> 37:57.640] There really wasn't.
[37:57.640 -> 38:01.120] And I thought naively that I could jump straight back in
[38:01.120 -> 38:03.780] and not replicate a business,
[38:03.780 -> 38:05.520] but walk in the footsteps of building as I had before. straight back in and not replicate a business but
[38:05.520 -> 38:08.960] walk in the footsteps of building as I had before and I couldn't.
[38:08.960 -> 38:14.080] The world had changed, I had changed and everyone had caught up and and we
[38:14.080 -> 38:19.600] were in a very very different marketplace and I had to go back and
[38:19.600 -> 38:23.280] rethink okay who are we, what are we about and
[38:23.280 -> 38:25.000] it took a good couple of years for
[38:25.000 -> 38:29.480] that to really start to, I mean now when I look up, when I look at where we are
[38:29.480 -> 38:35.320] today and I look back and I think there were so many points along the line that
[38:35.320 -> 38:40.520] I could have walked away. But as a founder, you don't have that luxury.
[38:40.520 -> 38:45.680] Everybody else can, but you can't. What are you going to do? Walk away and everybody
[38:45.680 -> 38:50.640] loses their jobs and there's no business? You have to stick it out. And that is the downside
[38:50.640 -> 38:56.080] of being a founder. You can't quit. You can't walk away. That's not an option for you.
[38:56.080 -> 39:01.280] But the upside is the passion, is the thrill. And when we speak to people on this pod, Jo,
[39:01.280 -> 39:08.480] almost entrepreneurs, almost every time they will say to us one of their tips for life is to follow your passion. And it sounds like that's exactly what you're
[39:08.480 -> 39:13.280] talking about. You know, you walked away with an inordinate sum of money, but the passion
[39:13.280 -> 39:17.640] had gone and you realised passion is a hell of a lot more valuable than money in the bank.
[39:17.640 -> 39:22.840] Well, I would say, I mean, listen, I, as I said, I don't regret that decision of selling,
[39:22.840 -> 39:28.160] not at all. And I will probably build another business and sell it again one day.
[39:28.160 -> 39:30.440] But I know this time I won't ever walk away.
[39:30.440 -> 39:31.440] That's the difference.
[39:31.440 -> 39:35.580] I've learned really about myself.
[39:35.580 -> 39:40.920] And it's really funny through lockdown and being in four walls, I've probably been the
[39:40.920 -> 39:43.500] most creative I have ever been in my life.
[39:43.500 -> 39:49.120] My mind thinks in a completely different fashion than it ever has. In what respect?
[39:49.120 -> 39:54.480] Creatively, it's funny, I watched a movie the other day called Queen's
[39:54.480 -> 40:01.120] Gambit. Have you watched it? A young chess player. Yeah.
[40:01.120 -> 40:07.840] We loved it. It was so interesting, but there's a moment,
[40:07.840 -> 40:10.360] not that I have ever taken a tranquilizer,
[40:10.360 -> 40:12.000] but she takes a tranquilizer, doesn't she,
[40:12.000 -> 40:14.760] when she's, and she looks up on the ceiling
[40:14.760 -> 40:18.840] and she can see a chessboard and she can make the moves.
[40:20.120 -> 40:21.480] It's a fascinating, and I thought,
[40:21.480 -> 40:23.080] whilst I was watching that, I was thinking,
[40:23.080 -> 40:24.680] oh my God, that's what happens to me.
[40:24.680 -> 40:45.600] That's how I look at business. And I'd never seen or even heard about anyone doing that. And I go into I don't need anything to get me there. But as I as I take my imagination and this year, that is exactly what's happened. I've seen life and business like a chessboard. And I'm starting to move strategically. And it was when I watched that movie the other day, it brought it home to me, my God, that's what I'm doing. That's exactly what I'm doing. a ches-balld, ac rydw i'n dechrau mynd yn strategaethol, ac roedd pan gwnaethom fy ngwylio'r ffilm honno'r diwrnod diwethaf,
[40:45.600 -> 40:49.680] roedd e'n ei gyrraedd i mi. Mae'n dweud, my god, dyna beth rydw i'n ei wneud, dyna'n unig beth rydw i'n ei wneud.
[40:49.680 -> 40:54.160] Weldwch, dim gyfraith o'r gwaith gofio, roeddwn yn gweld hynny trwy'r ymchwil
[40:54.160 -> 40:59.200] gan gael fy nghyfathrebu, a roedd gen i ddiddordeb yn ychydig o'r ffordd amdano, oherwydd roeddwn wedi
[40:59.200 -> 41:04.800] ddysgu amdano am y stori pan roeddech chi'n creu ffragwntiau, ac pan dododd Estée Lauder,
[41:04.800 -> 41:06.240] roedden nhw'n gofyn i chi am y fformwla,
[41:06.240 -> 41:11.680] ac roeddech chi fel, dwi ddim yn cael fformwla, mae'n ystyr. Ac mae'r sceen yno yn y sioe lle mae'r
[41:11.680 -> 41:16.160] mawr hynny'n ei ddweud i'w fath, rydych chi'n chwarae'n eich mwyaf pan rydych chi'n chwarae drwy ystyr,
[41:16.160 -> 41:20.640] sydd wedi gwneud i mi feddwl o hynny. Mae hefyd wedi bod mewn rhai cyfansoddau lle
[41:20.640 -> 41:30.000] rydych chi wedi eu gwneud o'r ystyr, gwy fel ar gyfer i chi lansio Pumalo gyda'r newydd busnes neu pethau fel hynny.
[41:30.000 -> 41:35.000] Sut ydych chi'n ymweld â hynny nawr, yn gwblhau'r sŵn ystyriedol?
[41:35.000 -> 41:42.000] Dwi ddim yn gwblhau hwnnw. Dwi ddim. Ac yn rhaid i ni ddweud bod ystyried hwnnw'n anodd i'r rhai eraill.
[41:42.000 -> 41:47.840] Ac nid yw'r ystyried hwnnw'n iawn, ac nid yw'n cyd-fynd i'r strategaeth hwnnw'n dda iawn. is uncomfortable for others, and that instinct is not right and doesn't fit into a nice, neat little strategy.
[41:47.840 -> 41:52.840] And that instinct makes me walk a very lonely path,
[41:52.840 -> 41:54.900] actually, in all honesty.
[41:54.900 -> 41:56.940] But that instinct I trust.
[41:56.940 -> 41:57.880] It's that gut.
[41:59.140 -> 42:00.680] I've trusted it all through my life.
[42:00.680 -> 42:04.960] And sometimes things can look all good on paper,
[42:04.960 -> 42:05.080] and it's all set and it's all ready to go, just like the pomelo was. through my life and you know sometimes things can look all good on paper and
[42:05.080 -> 42:10.160] it's all set and it's all ready to go just like the Pomelo was and we
[42:10.160 -> 42:14.100] produced those first bottles and I remember walking up that beach thinking
[42:14.100 -> 42:18.560] this fragrance is not right and if I launch this fragrance the very first one
[42:18.560 -> 42:23.400] and it's not a million percent right because for me 100% isn't good enough
[42:23.400 -> 42:26.720] has to be a million percent every time I create something,
[42:26.720 -> 42:30.720] then I've done myself, I'm never ever going to survive this again, I'll never
[42:30.720 -> 42:34.240] build a global brand. Because do you know what, the consumer
[42:34.240 -> 42:38.240] can see through integrity, integrity and truthfulness,
[42:38.240 -> 42:42.480] and even though sometimes it's damn uncomfortable
[42:42.480 -> 42:45.720] and I had to go back to my husband who, and at that point
[42:45.720 -> 42:50.600] we put a lot of money into something and say those hundred thousand bottles we
[42:50.600 -> 42:54.680] can't use and I promise you that was out of all the years we've been married
[42:54.680 -> 43:00.960] that was the nearest we came to a Dolly Parton moment without
[43:00.960 -> 43:07.120] a doubt and I held on to that and course, that makes it, you know, that integrity
[43:07.120 -> 43:15.600] I'm talking about and that instinct, we need that more than ever right now. Because that instinct
[43:16.320 -> 43:25.800] is the key that unlocks you, inspiration, innovation and dreaming. you know, that instinct of yearning and finding
[43:25.800 -> 43:32.360] yourself sort of just drawn into using your imagination. So that instinct for me
[43:32.360 -> 43:38.400] is, and sometimes, sometimes I get it really wrong. I get it really, really,
[43:38.400 -> 43:44.000] really wrong and those really wrong moments can really affect me and
[43:44.000 -> 43:46.000] the situation that I'm in.
[43:46.000 -> 43:47.800] But then I've got to pick myself up,
[43:47.800 -> 43:50.820] dust myself off, pick myself up and get on again.
[43:51.920 -> 43:53.600] When you're being creative, Jo,
[43:53.600 -> 43:57.060] do you then have to become comfy with being uncomfy?
[43:57.060 -> 43:59.840] Yes, but uncomfy is very comfortable for me.
[44:02.080 -> 44:04.080] Really, can you explain that?
[44:04.080 -> 44:12.500] I don't mind uncomfortable situations when you're true to who you are.
[44:12.500 -> 44:18.260] And I won't, I think as I've got older, I won't be pushed into positions of saying and
[44:18.260 -> 44:22.060] doing something just because everybody else thinks it's the right thing to do.
[44:22.060 -> 44:23.780] You have to be accountable.
[44:23.780 -> 44:28.060] That's, you know, in the beginning of this podcast I talked about being true to yourself
[44:28.060 -> 44:31.300] and being accountable and it's your responsibility.
[44:31.300 -> 44:36.600] And so sometimes that instinct, you know, is uncomfortable but actually I think having
[44:36.600 -> 44:43.180] dyslexia probably and coming from where being uncomfortable is a very normal to me.
[44:43.180 -> 44:45.440] So when I'm in situations where everything
[44:45.440 -> 44:51.960] is just perfect that unnerves me. It's like I have to always I have to look for
[44:51.960 -> 44:55.520] the way out. Does that make any sense? Like if you're, I can't think of a
[44:55.520 -> 45:01.680] situation right now but I think that that uncomfortableness in business and
[45:01.680 -> 45:05.000] in life is good for us because it causes us to
[45:05.000 -> 45:09.000] challenge things in ourselves and the world that we live in.
[45:09.000 -> 45:15.000] And I'm just not, I'm never frightened of being uncomfortable in creativity,
[45:15.000 -> 45:19.000] so I'm never frightened of being the one person in a meeting that will say,
[45:19.000 -> 45:23.000] I'm really sorry, I don't think that's quite right, can we think of it another way?
[45:23.000 -> 45:27.920] It's probably also where the good stuff is, isn't it? Because if everyone's going down the path of
[45:27.920 -> 45:32.400] least resistance, as we call it, or everyone's acting in a comfortable way, you're all going to
[45:32.400 -> 45:36.720] end up in the same place. You need to be the one over there, even if you know it's going to send
[45:36.720 -> 45:40.640] you somewhere that's not comfortable. I think if you're trying to, you know,
[45:40.640 -> 45:46.480] we've all met people who, they ask questions just to make themselves look bigger and other
[45:46.480 -> 45:47.480] people uncomfortable.
[45:47.480 -> 45:53.000] That is not what I'm about and that is not the company I want and that's not the sort
[45:53.000 -> 45:56.200] of people I want to stand near.
[45:56.200 -> 45:57.840] That isn't what it's about.
[45:57.840 -> 46:01.560] But staying true to that voice of creativity.
[46:01.560 -> 46:05.440] When I said creating, and it's not just about creating fragrance,
[46:05.440 -> 46:07.680] but the business strategy in my head,
[46:07.680 -> 46:08.640] it is my best friend.
[46:08.640 -> 46:12.700] I hear, I feel kind of business,
[46:12.700 -> 46:14.400] and I feel the creativity,
[46:14.400 -> 46:17.800] and I see the product long before anyone.
[46:17.800 -> 46:22.560] I'm at the destination of an idea,
[46:22.560 -> 46:24.080] and I'm ready to sell it.
[46:24.080 -> 46:25.760] And as Gary says to me,
[46:25.760 -> 46:27.240] Joe, you've got to be patient.
[46:27.240 -> 46:30.360] Everyone else is trying to keep up with you.
[46:30.360 -> 46:34.160] And I sometimes get frustrated when people can't keep up
[46:34.160 -> 46:36.560] because it's like, come on, come on.
[46:36.560 -> 46:37.480] We need to be there.
[46:37.480 -> 46:40.160] We need to be the first person at that destination.
[46:40.160 -> 46:44.000] So my mind travels so fast and so quickly
[46:44.000 -> 46:48.080] that my problem is I want to be there quicker
[46:48.080 -> 46:50.720] than sometimes is humanly possible.
[46:50.720 -> 46:54.960] And as I've got older, I've realized that's not good for other people to do that.
[46:54.960 -> 47:01.600] So can I ask you then, Jo, how do you recruit people into your world that can help and facilitate
[47:01.600 -> 47:02.720] you do that?
[47:02.720 -> 47:05.880] Because to me, it seems that your name's above the door.
[47:05.880 -> 47:10.280] So there's the danger that people come into your world
[47:10.280 -> 47:13.320] and just aim to please you rather than to challenge you
[47:13.320 -> 47:14.720] or make you uncomfortable.
[47:14.720 -> 47:17.240] So how do you deliberately go about avoiding that?
[47:17.240 -> 47:19.240] I don't mind people making me feel uncomfortable.
[47:19.240 -> 47:23.520] I actually learn more from those challenges.
[47:23.520 -> 47:24.800] I mean, I don't know everything.
[47:24.800 -> 47:28.120] And I mean, Gary lets me know that every day
[47:28.140 -> 47:38.120] that he, I learn a lot from him, and his, his leadership. I would say I'm not a great leader. I really, I have a small
[47:38.120 -> 47:49.280] team, and I like it that way. But I'm not. He, my, but I've chosen a team that are great leaders and I think because if I try to be
[47:50.400 -> 47:57.120] the best that I am, I need to stay in the arena where I can be most productive and that's not
[47:57.120 -> 48:07.960] actually leading a company and being the GM or the CEO or the head of a department. So my team is very tiny and I like it that way.
[48:07.960 -> 48:10.720] And those people that I work alongside
[48:10.720 -> 48:14.600] are like my head of MPD.
[48:14.600 -> 48:17.840] She moves faster than I do, much faster than I do.
[48:17.840 -> 48:18.920] And I love that.
[48:18.920 -> 48:22.200] And I find myself sometimes running to keep up with her.
[48:23.520 -> 48:28.320] My GM is this amazing, amazing woman and she has
[48:28.320 -> 48:33.840] this unbelievable lateral way of leading. So when she moves forward everyone else
[48:33.840 -> 48:37.920] does too. I don't have that ability, I don't know how to do that but I've
[48:37.920 -> 48:48.240] chosen great people to be in those positions in order for us to move as a business. And our turning point has been,
[48:49.040 -> 48:52.640] we've really, we reached a crossroads and we've now
[48:52.640 -> 48:59.200] moved into, you know, such a productive and viable chapter of our
[48:59.200 -> 49:04.640] history and Joe loves because of a great team of people.
[49:04.640 -> 49:07.000] And I, you know, I'm not going to sit here and take all the credit
[49:08.160 -> 49:10.720] for that because that's not right.
[49:10.720 -> 49:13.260] And where does hard work fit into your values?
[49:13.260 -> 49:15.640] It's number one, number two, number three.
[49:15.640 -> 49:17.400] Everything you do, do it.
[49:17.400 -> 49:19.560] Sweat, it's like exercise.
[49:22.040 -> 49:23.900] You get out of life what you put into it.
[49:23.900 -> 49:27.640] And hard work is, when there's not enough work,
[49:27.640 -> 49:29.360] you know what, that's when the trouble happens.
[49:29.360 -> 49:31.360] Because if you work hard at something
[49:31.360 -> 49:32.480] and you pour yourself in,
[49:32.480 -> 49:36.440] you haven't got time for all the other things that seep in.
[49:36.440 -> 49:40.160] And again, I think this is why lockdown has been so
[49:40.160 -> 49:42.400] polarizing for business and people,
[49:42.400 -> 49:47.920] is there's been a lot of time to think. We's been a lot of time to think.
[49:47.920 -> 49:54.160] We just had a lot of time to think and that hard work is not part of our day-to-day world
[49:54.160 -> 49:57.100] and that's when you start to go into other places.
[49:57.100 -> 50:00.200] That's where trouble often lurks.
[50:00.200 -> 50:05.680] But if you've all got your strategy, you've got your goals and you head towards them,
[50:05.680 -> 50:08.680] that's normally a good healthy attitude for a team.
[50:08.680 -> 50:11.760] But hard work for me, if I get to the end of the day
[50:11.760 -> 50:15.000] and there's nothing to do, like today,
[50:15.000 -> 50:17.800] I need at least 20 things every day to do.
[50:17.800 -> 50:20.000] I make a list every single day
[50:20.000 -> 50:22.680] and the top 10 things have to be done.
[50:22.680 -> 50:24.360] I'm very focused.
[50:27.440 -> 50:32.400] And I like to feel at six o'clock in the evening when I pour myself a glass of wine, I like to think that's a good day. I worked hard,
[50:32.400 -> 50:38.160] I'm ready to enjoy the evening and switch off, but tomorrow I get up with the same enthusiasm.
[50:38.160 -> 50:44.160] I mean, this morning I was up at six and thinking about this podcast, whatever I do, I want to bring
[50:44.160 -> 50:45.260] a hundred percent, a million percent of myself to it. So I was going to take you back to a comment and thinking about this podcast, you know, whatever I do, I want to bring 100%,
[50:45.260 -> 50:46.780] a million percent of myself to it.
[50:46.780 -> 50:49.100] So I was going to take you back to a comment you made
[50:49.100 -> 50:50.260] at the start of the podcast, Jo,
[50:50.260 -> 50:51.860] which is you spoke about being very good
[50:51.860 -> 50:56.180] at compartmentalizing moments in your life.
[50:56.180 -> 50:58.000] So when you talk about hard work,
[50:58.000 -> 50:59.700] I can see the obvious virtues on that,
[50:59.700 -> 51:02.580] but would you tell us a bit more about what that means
[51:02.580 -> 51:11.280] to compartmentalize and the benefits that come from it? I think having dyslexia again is about that. I always do the things on my list first that I don't want to do
[51:12.080 -> 51:16.720] because otherwise they're always in the back of your mind and it actually draws away the energy,
[51:16.720 -> 51:22.000] the positive things you need to. So I will often deal with the things I don't want to, first of all.
[51:22.400 -> 51:24.560] things I don't want to, first of all.
[51:28.760 -> 51:31.840] I kind of, and if I don't want to be near something or in a situation where I feel uncomfortable,
[51:31.840 -> 51:35.000] being able to put it into a box and pack it somewhere
[51:35.000 -> 51:36.520] and not think about it.
[51:36.520 -> 51:41.280] So I'll retreat, and retreat is part of my protection
[51:43.360 -> 51:49.360] and part of my ability then to focus on something that is positive that I can
[51:49.360 -> 51:56.640] build. So I look at it as lots of little boxes and actually when I wrote my book I had a ghostwriter
[51:57.600 -> 52:09.400] called Steve Dennis because I couldn't, with dyslexia I wouldn't have been able to do that. He was so great at getting me to unpack the boxes in my life.
[52:09.400 -> 52:10.720] Actually, we all do it.
[52:10.720 -> 52:14.000] We all have the ability to park memories and things.
[52:14.000 -> 52:17.480] But memories don't come out when you're talking about your life,
[52:17.480 -> 52:19.680] they don't come out in the order that they happened.
[52:19.680 -> 52:23.860] They come at random because you trigger something and suddenly you think,
[52:23.860 -> 52:30.320] oh my God, I can remember when I was at school and I'm able to take myself to that
[52:30.320 -> 52:35.680] point and visualize and I can close my eyes I can see what I was wearing, what I
[52:35.680 -> 52:42.800] was feeling, what I was thinking but I can't stay in that moment so I actually
[52:42.800 -> 52:46.360] putting it back in the box and packing it away is a way of me
[52:47.320 -> 52:51.040] surviving I suppose mentally and I think entrepreneurs often
[52:51.960 -> 52:58.280] when you talk about when you're building and it comes from a dark place is they've been able to
[52:59.080 -> 53:04.560] take that moment and use it in a positive way, but then they don't need that the
[53:06.000 -> 53:09.280] Memory of that pulling them down. Does that make any sense? Is it getting yourself
[53:09.280 -> 53:13.720] into a place Jo where failure or struggle isn't the opposite of being
[53:13.720 -> 53:17.640] successful? It's part of the journey to getting there. I'm not frightened of
[53:17.640 -> 53:23.360] failure. I don't like it but I'm not frightened of it and it's a bit
[53:23.360 -> 53:26.460] like anxiety. Failure always, always wants to look at it. And it's a bit like anxiety, you know, failure always, always
[53:26.460 -> 53:32.260] wants to look at it. Whatever you're doing, that voice of what happens, what happens if
[53:32.260 -> 53:37.040] no one buys your product? What happens if no one really cares? What happens if, so it's
[53:37.040 -> 53:44.960] always there. But I don't allow that sense of feeling because I think if I fail, I'll
[53:44.960 -> 53:47.280] pick myself up and I'll do something else. I'm not going to sit there't allow that sense of feeling because I think if I fail, I'll pick myself up and I'll do something else.
[53:47.280 -> 53:50.040] I'm not gonna sit there and allow that fear
[53:50.040 -> 53:52.440] because often that fear of failure
[53:52.440 -> 53:55.220] means that you never get up and do anything.
[53:57.240 -> 54:01.600] We'd never have half the genius people.
[54:01.600 -> 54:06.400] We wouldn't have a vaccine right now on our doorstep if it hadn't, if
[54:06.400 -> 54:11.520] everyone was frightened of failure. Because in order to get through this and find a solution,
[54:11.520 -> 54:17.080] there's hundreds of millions of steps of failure, but you're waiting for that one bit of success
[54:17.080 -> 54:22.920] and that's when you're ready, excuse me, that's when you're ready to run with it. And I think
[54:22.920 -> 54:25.720] I've been saying to my team for a long time
[54:26.680 -> 54:28.120] at the beginning of this pandemic,
[54:28.120 -> 54:30.560] I said, tell stories of life.
[54:30.560 -> 54:32.200] This brand is about storytelling.
[54:32.200 -> 54:34.640] Tell stories, tell stories, tell stories.
[54:34.640 -> 54:39.360] And let's walk people through this time
[54:39.360 -> 54:41.320] because when this time is over,
[54:41.320 -> 54:43.160] people are gonna wanna live life
[54:43.160 -> 54:46.960] like we have never seen before. Be ready, get ready.
[54:46.960 -> 54:51.840] And if you spent this whole period of lockdown just sitting there waiting for it to be over and
[54:51.840 -> 54:57.280] doing nothing, you're going to be left behind. So you have to pick up and you have to be ready
[54:57.280 -> 55:02.800] to run. The minute that gate lifts, we're ready. We've got our running shoes. We're all Jesse Owens
[55:02.800 -> 55:11.040] and we're all ready to run. We've practiced. We've practiced what it feels like to be successful, even if we haven't tasted it.
[55:11.040 -> 55:17.680] What a lovely, uplifting, positive way to end the conversation, Jo. But before we let you go,
[55:18.400 -> 55:22.800] we have our quickfire questions for you. The three non-negotiables
[55:22.800 -> 55:27.680] that the people around you have to buy into?
[55:29.120 -> 55:41.000] Loyalty, a love of life and a respect of imagination. What advice would you give
[55:41.000 -> 55:47.600] a young Jo just starting out? I would say to her, I've actually written a letter to myself
[55:47.600 -> 55:52.240] from now when I was the young girl starting out.
[55:52.240 -> 55:56.320] I would say, don't be in such a hurry to move on
[55:56.320 -> 55:59.120] from things in life, sit back a little bit and enjoy it
[55:59.120 -> 56:02.480] because you will reach your destination and your dreams.
[56:02.480 -> 56:05.960] Beautiful, and how important is legacy to you, Jo?
[56:05.960 -> 56:08.400] Legacy doesn't mean bricks and mortar to me
[56:08.400 -> 56:10.000] and physical things.
[56:10.000 -> 56:13.360] Legacy is I want to leave this life
[56:13.360 -> 56:15.200] and find,
[56:17.440 -> 56:19.080] and to have touched people's lives
[56:19.080 -> 56:22.400] and to have left goodness,
[56:22.400 -> 56:25.000] to left a lasting imprint
[56:25.000 -> 56:27.120] on everything that I'm about,
[56:27.120 -> 56:31.880] which is building, creating, wholeness, kindness, goodness.
[56:31.880 -> 56:34.680] And finally, Jo, what's your one golden rule
[56:34.680 -> 56:36.520] for living a high-performance life?
[56:39.680 -> 56:41.560] I think for man to discover new oceans,
[56:41.560 -> 56:44.840] he must first have the courage to lose sight of the shore.
[56:44.840 -> 56:45.880] Beautiful, beautiful. Oh, I love to lose sight of the shore. Beautiful.
[56:45.880 -> 56:46.880] Wow.
[56:46.880 -> 56:47.880] Beautiful.
[56:47.880 -> 56:48.880] Oh, I love it.
[56:48.880 -> 56:49.880] I'm writing that one down.
[56:49.880 -> 56:50.880] Thank you so, so much.
[56:50.880 -> 56:51.880] What a one.
[56:51.880 -> 56:53.800] I've never had an interview in my life like that, ever.
[56:53.800 -> 56:54.800] Really?
[56:54.800 -> 56:55.800] No, I never have.
[56:55.800 -> 56:59.920] It's always about not making ginger or something.
[56:59.920 -> 57:01.920] That was just so lovely to be able to share.
[57:01.920 -> 57:04.640] I feel like I've shared part of my soul, actually.
[57:04.640 -> 57:05.400] So thank you. I feel like I've shared part of my soul, actually. So thank you.
[57:05.400 -> 57:06.880] Well, I feel the same.
[57:06.880 -> 57:08.320] And I think for people listening to this,
[57:08.320 -> 57:11.000] you know, whether it's you with that beautiful analogy
[57:11.000 -> 57:13.240] of when you learn something new, it's like wet sand.
[57:13.240 -> 57:15.560] And if it slowly dries and slips through your fingers,
[57:15.560 -> 57:16.380] it's gone.
[57:16.380 -> 57:18.600] Whether it's understanding that bad stuff
[57:18.600 -> 57:20.000] can be really useful stuff,
[57:20.000 -> 57:21.520] that nothing is wasted in life.
[57:21.520 -> 57:22.680] And that, what was it you said?
[57:22.680 -> 57:25.600] Instinct is the key that unlocks innovation.
[57:25.600 -> 57:27.320] Honestly, Joe, for people listening to this,
[57:27.320 -> 57:29.660] whether they are entrepreneurs or struggling with life
[57:29.660 -> 57:31.640] or whether things are good for them,
[57:31.640 -> 57:35.600] that is a really special 45 minutes for them.
[57:35.600 -> 57:36.440] Oh, well, thank you.
[57:36.440 -> 57:37.460] Isn't that strange though?
[57:37.460 -> 57:39.940] We both saw that Queen's Gambit.
[57:39.940 -> 57:41.160] That really struck me.
[57:41.160 -> 57:42.600] That was powerful.
[57:42.600 -> 57:44.280] Yeah, well, I was doing research on it
[57:44.280 -> 57:49.200] and we were watching it on Saturday night and I said to my wife, I said that reminds me of Jo, that moment, it was that
[57:49.200 -> 57:55.280] conversation where she's in Mexico I think and her mum says to her, everyone says that you're best
[57:55.280 -> 57:59.440] when you play instinctively because she's coming up against the Russian and I went that reminds me
[57:59.440 -> 58:05.520] of what I've been reading about today. So yeah,
[58:02.640 -> 58:08.160] so amazing, that really is wonderful and
[58:05.520 -> 58:10.240] so thank you, you've made my day really
[58:08.160 -> 58:11.920] special today, thank you. Yeah, honestly
[58:10.240 -> 58:14.400] Jo, thank you for sharing. All right, take
[58:11.920 -> 58:14.400] care guys.
[58:15.040 -> 58:19.520] Damian, Jake, here we go then, another
[58:17.440 -> 58:21.520] person who's achieved great things and we
[58:19.520 -> 58:22.640] managed to spend 45 minutes talking
[58:21.520 -> 58:24.960] about the struggles and the
[58:22.640 -> 58:26.800] challenges and the mindsets and
[58:24.960 -> 58:25.120] I just want people to listen to that to spend 45 minutes talking about the struggles and the challenges and the mindsets.
[58:25.120 -> 58:27.520] I just want people to listen to that episode
[58:27.520 -> 58:30.040] and many others and realize two things.
[58:30.040 -> 58:31.880] Number one, it's not easy for anyone.
[58:31.880 -> 58:34.700] Number two, it is there for you if you want to go and get it.
[58:34.700 -> 58:36.940] Yeah, definitely, and I think,
[58:36.940 -> 58:39.400] I love the origin stories of people like Jo
[58:39.400 -> 58:41.240] that we've been fortunate enough to interview.
[58:41.240 -> 58:42.840] Growing up on a council estate,
[58:42.840 -> 58:46.400] having parents that weren't able to provide, i'r ymgynghoriad, ganddo, rydyn ni'n groeso ar y cyngor ymdrech, mae gen i rai o'r rhain sy'n gallu rhoi,
[58:46.400 -> 58:52.880] mae angen i'w fod yn ymdrech, sefydlu ei ewn busnes, er mwyn i ddim bod yn cael gwelliant a
[58:52.880 -> 59:05.000] cael eu hymdrech fel dyslexig, mae llawer o heriau y gall hi ymdrech arnyn nhw a'u cymryd o'r heriau a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r deunyddion a'r de take from those challenges, characteristics and tools
[59:05.340 -> 59:07.580] that she's been able to turn to her advantage.
[59:07.580 -> 59:09.740] I think it's humbling to listen to,
[59:09.740 -> 59:11.700] but really quite moving.
[59:11.700 -> 59:14.500] And I love the fact that she mentioned a couple of times
[59:14.500 -> 59:16.760] that she's not done an interview like that before.
[59:16.760 -> 59:20.260] And to me, that's what sums this podcast up.
[59:20.260 -> 59:23.780] It's about asking people genuine questions
[59:23.780 -> 59:24.980] that can impact the lives of others.
[59:24.980 -> 59:26.800] And I hope that Jo's done that today. Mae'n ymwneud â gofyn i bobl cwestiynau dynol sy'n gallu gynfwyso bywydau eraill, ac rwy'n gobeithio y bydd Joe wedi gwneud hynny heddiw.
[59:26.800 -> 59:32.800] Ie, ac eto mae'n mynd i'r ôl i un o'r ymdrechion mwyaf sydd wedi dod allan o'r seriwm rydym wedi'i wneud o'r hyn iawn, Jake,
[59:32.800 -> 59:38.000] mae'r syniad hwn o fod yn ymwneud â'r cyfnod, mae'n ymwneud â'r ffordd i gael yno.
[59:38.000 -> 59:51.000] Nid yw'n ymwneud â cael ymwneud â'r bling a'r arian a'r fam a'r cyfansoddiad a'r trofiadau. and the money and the fame and the success and the trophies won. It's about the struggle, it's about the sacrifice, it's about the daily toil to be better today
[59:51.000 -> 59:56.000] than you were yesterday. And I think Jo was a perfect embodiment of that.
[59:56.000 -> 59:58.000] And you made her emotional, Damien.
[59:58.000 -> 01:00:08.400] I've made lots of people emotional, but it has been more negative emotion. Well, it was a positive one on this occasion, mate.
[01:00:08.400 -> 01:00:11.320] So again, I really enjoyed it.
[01:00:11.320 -> 01:00:12.320] Thanks for doing it.
[01:00:12.320 -> 01:00:13.320] No, thanks for having me along, Jake.
[01:00:13.320 -> 01:00:14.320] I love it.
[01:00:14.320 -> 01:00:20.800] Well, Damien, happy anniversary.
[01:00:20.800 -> 01:00:21.800] Happy anniversary, Jake.
[01:00:21.800 -> 01:00:22.800] It's brilliant, isn't it?
[01:00:22.800 -> 01:00:24.600] A real milestone, it feels like.
[01:00:24.600 -> 01:00:26.660] I felt like I've known you for more than a year
[01:00:26.660 -> 01:00:33.060] And I don't mean that in the nicest possible way. Yeah feels like a slog. Is that what you're trying to say?
[01:00:34.380 -> 01:00:38.080] Yeah at times what is for you when you think about
[01:00:38.660 -> 01:00:43.980] Not why you got involved but now when you're able to reflect on the first year because you put up a lovely quote the other
[01:00:43.980 -> 01:00:46.400] Day, I always I always talk about your Instagram quotes you put up on here. You put up a lovely one, which was ond nawr pan ydych chi'n gallu ymdrechu ar y cyntaf hyn, oherwydd rydych chi'n rhoi cwôt ddau diwrnod yn dda, rydw i bob amser yn siarad am eich cwôt Instagram
[01:00:46.400 -> 01:00:47.560] rydych chi'n rhoi ar yma.
[01:00:47.560 -> 01:00:48.480] Rydych chi'n rhoi cwôt ddau diwrnod yn dda,
[01:00:48.480 -> 01:00:52.240] sy'n ymdrechu'r ffordd mwyaf o ddarlith.
[01:00:52.240 -> 01:00:53.880] Mae'n rhoi'r test yn gyntaf
[01:00:53.880 -> 01:00:55.080] a'r lles nesaf.
[01:00:55.080 -> 01:00:57.880] Felly, gan fod gennych ystod y blwyddyn o'r podcast High Performance,
[01:00:57.880 -> 01:00:59.320] beth oedd y lles i chi?
[01:00:59.320 -> 01:01:00.520] Beth oedd y dysgu?
[01:01:00.520 -> 01:01:02.000] Mae'n cael ei ddweud mwy, i fod yn ddiogel, Jake.
[01:01:02.000 -> 01:01:03.800] Rwy'n credu, dwi'n dweud bod yna tri cyfleoedd
[01:01:03.800 -> 01:01:04.960] rydw i wedi'u gwneud o hynny.
[01:01:04.960 -> 01:01:06.000] Un oedd y cyfleoedd rydw i wedi'i ddod o hynny. Un o'u hyn yw'r cyfle
[01:01:06.000 -> 01:01:08.000] i weithio gyda chi a
[01:01:08.000 -> 01:01:10.000] y tîm mwyaf fel Will, Finn
[01:01:10.000 -> 01:01:12.000] a Hannah sydd wedi bod y tu ôl i hyn.
[01:01:12.000 -> 01:01:14.000] Felly, dim ond y cyfle i fod yn rhan o'r tîm
[01:01:14.000 -> 01:01:16.000] fel hyn, lle mae pawb yn cael
[01:01:16.000 -> 01:01:18.000] y cyfle i gynhyrchu, mae wedi bod yn anhygoel.
[01:01:18.000 -> 01:01:20.000] Un arall yw dim ond y
[01:01:20.000 -> 01:01:22.000] mwyaf ddiddorol fwyaf o'r gwestiynau rydyn ni wedi'u dysgu
[01:01:22.000 -> 01:01:24.000] o'n nifer o'n gwestiynau, sydd wedi bod yn ddiddorol,
[01:01:24.000 -> 01:01:46.000] hyderus a rhannu. Ac yna'r ddiwedd ffinal yw'r gallur rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai athrawon a'r rhai sydd wedi cael eu gwneud, a'r rhai sydd wedi cael eu gwneud, a'r rhai sydd wedi cael eu gwneud,
[01:01:46.000 -> 01:01:48.000] a'r rhai sydd wedi cael eu gwneud,
[01:01:48.000 -> 01:01:50.000] a'r rhai sydd wedi cael eu gwneud,
[01:01:50.000 -> 01:01:52.000] a'r rhai sydd wedi cael eu gwneud,
[01:01:52.000 -> 01:01:54.000] a'r rhai sydd wedi cael eu gwneud,
[01:01:54.000 -> 01:01:56.000] a'r rhai sydd wedi cael eu gwneud,
[01:01:56.000 -> 01:01:58.000] a'r rhai sydd wedi cael eu gwneud,
[01:01:58.000 -> 01:02:00.000] a'r rhai sydd wedi cael eu gwneud,
[01:02:00.000 -> 01:02:02.000] a'r rhai sydd wedi cael eu gwneud,
[01:02:02.000 -> 01:02:04.000] a'r rhai sydd wedi cael eu gwneud,
[01:02:04.000 -> 01:02:10.440] a'r rhai sydd wedi cael eu gwneud, a'r rhai sydd wedi cael eu gwneud, And the thing that's filled me with the greatest joy and we find this don't we with pretty much every episode we record the first 15 or 20 minutes is the usual cliched answers given to every interview that anyone's ever done and
[01:02:11.080 -> 01:02:16.940] After that, we get the kind of stuff that we're here for and I don't know how or why it happens
[01:02:16.940 -> 01:02:18.940] I wonder whether it's a trusting I wonder whether
[01:02:19.380 -> 01:02:23.480] It's because the guests have listened to the podcast from before whether they realize this isn't about
[01:02:23.760 -> 01:02:28.120] Being caught out or whether they just realize the power of being vulnerable and sharing and helping others oherwydd mae'r gweithwyr wedi clywed y podcast o'r blaen, os ydyn nhw'n sylwi nad yw'n ymwneud ag cael eu hafod neu os ydyn nhw'n sylwi'r pŵer o fod yn ddifrifol
[01:02:28.120 -> 01:02:29.920] ac yn rannu a'i helpu'r rhai eraill.
[01:02:29.920 -> 01:02:31.560] Ie, rwy'n credu mae'r rhai o'r rhai hynny,
[01:02:31.560 -> 01:02:34.400] ond rwy'n credu y pwynt cyntaf y gwnaethoch chi ei wneud
[01:02:34.400 -> 01:02:37.840] yw'r pwynt mwyaf yn unrhyw gydgwyngor yw'r diogelwch.
[01:02:37.840 -> 01:02:39.520] Rwy'n credu pan ddechreuon ni'r seriw
[01:02:39.520 -> 01:02:41.120] roeddem ni'n ei gynnal pobl
[01:02:41.120 -> 01:02:42.560] rydyn ni'n cael cydgwyngor o diogelwch
[01:02:42.560 -> 01:02:43.880] allan o'r podcast,
[01:02:43.880 -> 01:02:48.640] felly roedden nhw'n barod i ddod allan ac wneud hynny. Ac rwy'n credu y bydd y pwysau snobol o'r bobl rydyn ni wedi cael gysylltiad o ffyrdd o ffyrdd o'r podcast, felly roedden nhw'n yn barod i ddod allan a wneud hi. Ac rwy'n credu bod y pwysleiniad o'r bobl eraill
[01:02:48.640 -> 01:02:52.960] yna, a efallai nad ydyn ni'n gwybod, wedi gallu clywed a gweld ein cyfnod yn
[01:02:52.960 -> 01:02:57.760] yn dda iawn yn hyn, wedi dod allan ac wedi'i parhau i fod yn wirioneddol
[01:02:57.760 -> 01:03:01.360] ddynol a ddwyieithog. Ond mae'n lefel gwahanol o siarad, fel dweud,
[01:03:01.360 -> 01:03:04.720] yn y ffordd rydyn ni'n ddweud yn ddiwylliannol, o'n cynghoriau cyhoeddiol,
[01:03:04.720 -> 01:03:05.000] rydyn ni'n gweld, i ddefnyddio eich analogiaeth, y tip o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd, ac rwy'n ddifrifol iawn o siaradau, fel dweud, yn y ffordd rydyn ni'n defnyddio'r ffordd rydyn ni'n defnyddio o'n cyhoeddiadau cyhoeddiol.
[01:03:05.000 -> 01:03:11.000] Rydyn ni'n gweld, i ddefnyddio eich analogiaeth, y tip o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd, ac rwy'n credu y byddwn ni'n mynd o'r ddewis yna
[01:03:11.000 -> 01:03:16.000] a gweld y dyfodol a'r strwythur a'r strydiau rydyn ni'n cael eu trwyddo.
[01:03:16.000 -> 01:03:21.000] Ac rwy'n credu bod yna lefel ddiddorol iawn hefyd o'r bobl sy'n dod ar y podcast a siarad yn y ffordd honno.
[01:03:21.000 -> 01:03:26.000] Dychwyl, Casper Schmeichel yn dod yma being vulnerable is not the sort of thing that footballers do very often.
[01:03:26.000 -> 01:03:35.000] I love doing it and I love having these conversations. It's been interesting for me though, the criticism and a lot of it comes from fellow football journalists.
[01:03:35.000 -> 01:03:45.920] So I think, look at me and think, why is he having conversations like this? But I almost think that makes it more important that you wouldn't think that someone that does my job would also have these kinds of conversations. yn bwysig iawn, y byddwch chi ddim yn meddwl y bydd rhywun sy'n gwneud fy nionid hefyd yn cael y mwyaf o sgwrs, ond dyna yw'r
[01:03:45.920 -> 01:03:48.560] oes o'r pwysigrwydd y bydd y podcast yma amdano. Dydych chi ddim yn gwybod
[01:03:48.560 -> 01:03:51.600] pobl, dydych chi ddim yn gwybod eu hiriau, dydych chi ddim yn gwybod eu hafodau,
[01:03:51.600 -> 01:03:55.200] mae angen i gyd i gyd i fod yn fwy hyderus a rhoi i bobl fod yn
[01:03:55.200 -> 01:03:58.000] versiynau gwirioneddol i'w hunain, ydych chi'n gwybod?
[01:03:58.000 -> 01:04:00.800] Ie, yn amlwg. Dydw i ddim yn cofio y byddwn ni'n sôn am hynny
[01:04:00.800 -> 01:04:03.440] drwy ddweud nad ydych chi'n cymryd cyfrif o unrhyw un
[01:04:03.440 -> 01:04:08.560] na fyddwch chi'n cymryd gwybodaeth o, ac rwy'n credu bod llawer o bobl yno a allai gwneud
[01:04:08.560 -> 01:04:13.360] ddysgwyr a gallu chi ffyrddio a snipio arno, ond os ydych chi'n gofyn iddyn nhw
[01:04:13.360 -> 01:04:16.640] am y gwybodaeth ar beth y gallech chi wneud mwy cystryngol,
[01:04:16.640 -> 01:04:20.240] nid yw'n ymdrechus yn y ffordd. Ac rwy'n credu bod
[01:04:20.240 -> 01:04:23.520] ein cyfnod o'r ôl hyn, fel rydyn ni wedi dweud yma'n byw, yw ein bod ni'n ymwneud â'r
[01:04:23.520 -> 01:04:25.000] cyfrif, nid ymwneud â'r cyfrif. Dydyn ni ddim yn ceisio gwneud cyfrif, dydyn ni ddim ynweud y byd, yw ein bod ni arno ar y cyfraniad, nid ar y cyfraniad.
[01:04:25.000 -> 01:04:27.000] Dydyn ni ddim yn ceisio gwneud profit,
[01:04:27.000 -> 01:04:29.000] dydyn ni ddim yn ceisio gwneud clywed cyflym, clywed llyfr ar hyn.
[01:04:29.000 -> 01:04:31.000] Mae hwn am rannu sylwadau
[01:04:31.000 -> 01:04:33.000] y gall y bobl ddweud ac ymdrechu.
[01:04:33.000 -> 01:04:35.000] Ac rwy'n credu bod hynny'n beth
[01:04:35.000 -> 01:04:38.000] rydyn ni'n teimlo'n dda i'w rhannu
[01:04:38.000 -> 01:04:40.000] ac yna ddod allan a rannu gyda'i gilydd.
[01:04:40.000 -> 01:04:42.000] Ac dyna lle ddarganfodd y gwahaniaeth gwirioneddol.
[01:04:42.000 -> 01:04:44.000] Dych chi'n gwybod fy mhrofiad gweithio,
[01:04:44.000 -> 01:04:47.500] mae pobl yn dweud, beth yw eich moment ffavouriau chi? Ac rwy'n teimlo fy mod yn mynd drwy bob episod rydyn ni wedi'i wneud. real value of this comes from. You know my worst question people go what's been your favorite moment and I literally find myself running through like every
[01:04:47.500 -> 01:04:51.040] episode we've done. There's a load of questions have come in this week as
[01:04:51.040 -> 01:04:54.300] usual and thank you again to everyone for getting in touch with Damien and
[01:04:54.300 -> 01:04:58.400] myself. Bully said this relates so well to what we just spoke about should you
[01:04:58.400 -> 01:05:03.600] care what others think? Is that a skill that relates to a high-performance
[01:05:03.600 -> 01:05:07.760] mindset? What's your opinion about caring what other people think? Yw hyn yn sgiliau sy'n ymwneud â sylfaenau cyflogau'n fawr? Pa sy'n eich meddwl am gofio'r hyn y mae'r bobl eraill yn meddwl?
[01:05:07.760 -> 01:05:12.480] Mae'n cwestiwn ddiddorol. Rwy'n credu y dylenwch gofio beth y mae'r bobl eraill yn meddwl.
[01:05:12.480 -> 01:05:28.400] Rwy'n credu bod Caspar Smychel, yr oedden ni wedi'i ymdrechu yn yr yfrif ac unrhyw beth y byddent yn ei ofyn yn dod o lefel o wach a chynhyrchu
[01:05:28.400 -> 01:05:45.500] ac yn eisiau ei wella. Felly rwy'n credu, pan mae gennych y llist o sæon o bobl, mae eu rhaglen yn cyfrif. Rwy'n credu bod unrhyw un o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o'r rhai o' You take the comments and I would also say to bully that the only person whose opinion really matters is yourself
[01:05:45.500 -> 01:05:47.500] You know, we've said on this podcast on many occasions
[01:05:47.940 -> 01:05:51.560] Who's the person you speak to more than anybody else in your life?
[01:05:51.560 -> 01:05:56.420] And the answer is you that little voice in your head and I think sometimes you've got to be careful
[01:05:56.420 -> 01:05:59.840] You don't trick yourself into thinking. Well, everyone thinks I'm a great person
[01:05:59.840 -> 01:06:06.160] So I must be only you know your intentions only, only you know the real true value of your
[01:06:04.680 -> 01:06:08.720] actions, only you know whether you're
[01:06:06.160 -> 01:06:11.080] genuinely sacrificing something. And it's
[01:06:08.720 -> 01:06:14.080] amazing how often other people will try
[01:06:11.080 -> 01:06:15.920] and second-guess someone's intentions or
[01:06:14.080 -> 01:06:18.080] they'll say, oh well you intimated this or
[01:06:15.920 -> 01:06:20.560] you were trying to say this, rather than
[01:06:18.080 -> 01:06:22.640] actually accepting what someone says. And
[01:06:20.560 -> 01:06:25.080] I think you know, don't you? You know
[01:06:22.640 -> 01:06:28.700] your actions, you know your behaviours, you know your values and that is the key thing just to believe that
[01:06:28.700 -> 01:06:31.640] you're doing the right thing. Even if some people think that you're a great
[01:06:31.640 -> 01:06:34.760] person, you know if you're not. Equally people might think you're not a great
[01:06:34.760 -> 01:06:38.180] person, you know you know that you are. I think the other important element here
[01:06:38.180 -> 01:06:43.060] Damien is, is if you worry about simply what other people think you're actually
[01:06:43.060 -> 01:06:46.640] concerning yourself with the outcome. A, you're concerning yourself with the outcome.
[01:06:46.640 -> 01:06:49.400] B, you're concerning yourself with something
[01:06:49.400 -> 01:06:51.240] that you may well never be able to control.
[01:06:51.240 -> 01:06:54.400] And if people want to create a fictional version of you
[01:06:54.400 -> 01:06:56.800] in their own heads for some strange reason
[01:06:56.800 -> 01:06:57.720] that they're doing it,
[01:06:57.720 -> 01:06:59.040] then you have to allow them to do it.
[01:06:59.040 -> 01:07:00.800] And there's very little you can do about that anyway.
[01:07:00.800 -> 01:07:01.640] Yeah, exactly.
[01:07:01.640 -> 01:07:02.560] There's a great line, Jake,
[01:07:02.560 -> 01:07:09.040] that says that your opinion of me is none of my business. And it isn't. You know, how people want to perceive us yna, mae yna ddau llinell, jay, sy'n dweud bod eich syniad o fi, nid yw'n fy nhyrfa, ac nid yw, wyt ti'n gwybod, mae'n dweud y bydd pobl eisiau ein gweld yn
[01:07:09.040 -> 01:07:13.440] unig i'w hunain, ond dyna ddim yn rhywbeth y gallwn ei dynnu,
[01:07:13.440 -> 01:07:16.960] neu y byddwn i'n cael ei dynnu neu'n meddwl amdano hefyd.
[01:07:16.960 -> 01:07:19.680] Y unig cwestiwn rydyn ni'n rhaid i ni fynd i'n gwybod yw, ydyn ni'n gwneud
[01:07:19.680 -> 01:07:22.000] y mwyaf i gyd gyda'r dyluniau rydyn ni'n cael ar y
[01:07:22.000 -> 01:07:24.960] amser rydyn ni'n ymwneud â nhw, ac os gallwn ddweud ai i'r cwestiwn honno,
[01:07:24.960 -> 01:07:26.000] dyna'r cyfansod. Mae yna un poet gwych a rydyn ni'n cael ar y cyfnod rydyn ni'n ei chael ac os gallwn gysylltu â'r cwestiwn honno, mae hynny'n cymorth.
[01:07:26.000 -> 01:07:31.280] Mae poema ffantastig rydw i'n hoffi Bully ac unrhyw un arall yn clywed amdano ar Youtube.
[01:07:31.280 -> 01:07:33.680] A oes gennych chi'n clywed, Damien, am The Man in the Glass?
[01:07:33.680 -> 01:07:40.240] Oh, ie, y poema Dale Wimbrow. Ie, mae'n ffabulus. Mae coach, rydw i'n ffrind â pherson ffantastig
[01:07:40.240 -> 01:07:45.000] o'i enw Bill Sweetenham, coach swyddiawn, i'r bobl sy'n gwybod dydyn hwnnw, byddwn i'n ddweud'r gwaith final,
[01:07:45.000 -> 01:07:46.000] mae'n dweud,
[01:07:46.000 -> 01:07:47.000] gallwch chi ddod o'r byd cyfan
[01:07:47.000 -> 01:07:48.000] ar y fath o'r blynyddoedd
[01:07:48.000 -> 01:07:50.000] a chael pati ar y chwmni
[01:07:50.000 -> 01:07:51.000] wrth i chi ddod o'r fath.
[01:07:51.000 -> 01:07:52.000] Ond eich gwaith final
[01:07:52.000 -> 01:07:53.000] bydd yn y gwaith final
[01:07:53.000 -> 01:07:54.000] o'r fath o'r blynyddoedd
[01:07:54.000 -> 01:07:55.000] a chael pati ar y chwmni
[01:07:55.000 -> 01:07:56.000] wrth i chi ddod o'r fath.
[01:07:56.000 -> 01:07:57.000] Ac mae'n dweud,
[01:07:57.000 -> 01:07:58.000] mae'n dweud,
[01:07:58.000 -> 01:07:59.000] mae'n dweud,
[01:07:59.000 -> 01:08:00.000] mae'n dweud,
[01:08:00.000 -> 01:08:01.000] mae'n dweud,
[01:08:01.000 -> 01:08:02.000] mae'n dweud,
[01:08:02.000 -> 01:08:03.000] mae'n dweud,
[01:08:03.000 -> 01:08:04.000] mae'n dweud,
[01:08:04.000 -> 01:08:06.560] mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, mae'n dweud, read the final verse it says you can fool the whole world down the pathway of
[01:08:03.880 -> 01:08:09.640] years and get pats on the back as you
[01:08:06.560 -> 01:08:13.280] pass but your final reward will be the
[01:08:09.640 -> 01:08:15.920] heartache and tears if you've cheated the
[01:08:13.280 -> 01:08:18.520] man in the glass brilliant gives me
[01:08:15.920 -> 01:08:19.880] goosebumps man when I read it oh but
[01:08:18.520 -> 01:08:21.400] that's what it's about bully everyone
[01:08:19.880 -> 01:08:23.160] take a look in the mirror if that person
[01:08:21.400 -> 01:08:24.600] looks back at you and thinks you're
[01:08:23.160 -> 01:08:26.120] doing your best which is all you can
[01:08:24.600 -> 01:08:27.600] do and you're doing it with the right intentions, then you're
[01:08:27.600 -> 01:08:29.160] on the right path.
[01:08:29.160 -> 01:08:33.100] Thanks very much to Zachary as well from Australia. Hi Jake and Damien, loving the podcast over
[01:08:33.100 -> 01:08:37.720] here in Australia. The way you probe with relevant deep questions that make the guests
[01:08:37.720 -> 01:08:42.880] think is second to none. I love that Damien, man. I'm sitting in a little office in Norwich,
[01:08:42.880 -> 01:08:45.440] you're somewhere outside Manchester in a palatial mansion
[01:08:46.320 -> 01:08:54.300] And there's someone in Australia listening into what we're talking about. It's a crazy man, but that's I love the global impact of podcasts
[01:08:54.300 -> 01:08:56.060] That's the thing for me that I can't believe you know
[01:08:56.060 -> 01:08:56.340] Yeah
[01:08:56.340 -> 01:09:01.580] and I think anyone that comes to this they make a very deliberate commitment don't they that they're going to invest an hour of
[01:09:01.580 -> 01:09:05.780] Their time and that's not something that we take lightly or that they should either.
[01:09:05.780 -> 01:09:07.620] And if they're going to do that,
[01:09:07.620 -> 01:09:11.440] I get so much of a buzz that people then walk away from it
[01:09:11.440 -> 01:09:13.660] thinking that was an hour well spent.
[01:09:13.660 -> 01:09:14.660] And you know what, I've listened back
[01:09:14.660 -> 01:09:16.500] to last week's episode with Osi Umunnaura
[01:09:16.500 -> 01:09:18.800] on a couple of occasions this week.
[01:09:18.800 -> 01:09:21.160] And it gets more important to me every time I listen
[01:09:21.160 -> 01:09:22.820] when he talks about the role of luck
[01:09:22.820 -> 01:09:25.280] in his life success story, because that is not something that we have heard very often. No, it's not, but it is at the heart of all, i mi bob tro rwy'n mynd i'r sgwrs pan ydych chi'n siarad am rôl llwyr ynghylch eich byd o gyfforddiant.
[01:09:25.280 -> 01:09:27.520] Nid yw hynny'n rhywbeth rydyn ni wedi clywed yn aml.
[01:09:27.520 -> 01:09:29.680] Nid, ond mae'n ymhell i'r holl...
[01:09:29.680 -> 01:09:31.840] Yr un rydyn ni'n ei chynnal yn aml yw'r hyder.
[01:09:31.840 -> 01:09:35.760] Ac rwy'n credu pan ydych chi'n hyderus, gallwch chi ymdrechu bod ychydig o aml
[01:09:35.760 -> 01:09:37.360] eich bod chi wedi dod ar eich ffyrdd.
[01:09:37.360 -> 01:09:40.160] Dydych chi ddim yn credu bod gennych gwella.
[01:09:40.160 -> 01:09:44.480] Rwy'n credu yw'r hyder dod o'r cydnabod bod yn aml i ni i gyd cael hyder.
[01:09:44.480 -> 01:09:48.640] Yn aml, ac mae'n beth pwysig i'w cofio ac i'n ymwybodol,
[01:09:48.640 -> 01:09:50.640] nid yw'n ymwneud â ni, yn wir, mae'n ymwneud â'r bobl o'n i,
[01:09:50.640 -> 01:09:52.560] yn gwneud y pethau'n iawn gyda ni ac ar gyfer ni,
[01:09:52.560 -> 01:09:54.640] rydym i gyd yn teimlo'n gyd, dydyn ni ddim?
[01:09:54.640 -> 01:09:55.120] Ie.
[01:09:55.120 -> 01:09:58.080] Yn y blynedd, wow, dwi'n dweud wrthych, rydw i'n mynd i'ch gael
[01:09:58.080 -> 01:10:01.920] dŵr dda o Pinot Grigio o'r stasiwn petreol lleol
[01:10:01.920 -> 01:10:05.600] pan ddoddwn ni ein hir diwethaf.
[01:10:05.600 -> 01:10:09.520] Felly, gobeithio yno ar y rhai o'r nesaf,
[01:10:09.520 -> 01:10:11.360] a byddwch chi'n cael eich gwybodaeth ffantastig.
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