E39 - Josh Warrington: How to adopt a warrior mindset

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[00:00.000 -> 00:06.520] Hello, welcome along to week two of series four of the High Performance Podcast.
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[03:23.280 -> 03:27.440] of them. I just want to share this one with you and it comes from Richie and he says,
[03:27.440 -> 03:31.680] Hi guys, I've never written anything to anyone like this but I wanted to say thank you
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[04:32.960 -> 04:36.800] Okay let's do it then, let's get into this week's episode. I just want to warn you before we get
[04:36.800 -> 04:41.200] going that if you're offended by bad language or if you're with children or other people who
[04:41.200 -> 04:45.360] are offended, this week's guest does use quite a lot of colourful
[04:45.360 -> 04:51.280] language so be warned as we get going. But it is a remarkable episode nonetheless. I think it's
[04:51.280 -> 04:56.880] probably one of my favourites. Let's do it. It's time for this week's High Performance Podcast.
[05:00.880 -> 05:04.800] Hi there, I'm Jay Comfrey. You're listening to High Performance, the podcast that delves into
[05:04.800 -> 05:09.360] the minds of some of the most successful athletes, visionaries, entrepreneurs and artists
[05:09.360 -> 05:14.040] on the planet and aims to unlock the very secrets to their success. Everyone needs a
[05:14.040 -> 05:18.340] professor in their life and mine is also an author, an expert in the success of sporting
[05:18.340 -> 05:22.440] teams and cultures and you grew up in a boxing house, right?
[05:22.440 -> 05:27.120] Yeah, my dad was a boxing coach, So my playground from as early as I can remember
[05:27.120 -> 05:28.240] was a boxing gym, Jake.
[05:28.240 -> 05:30.540] So I'm really looking forward to this.
[05:30.540 -> 05:33.120] I think that one of my favorite definitions of boxing
[05:33.120 -> 05:35.160] is it's chess with gloves on,
[05:35.160 -> 05:38.320] and it's about the best fighters are thinking fighters.
[05:38.320 -> 05:40.480] So I'm really excited to meet somebody
[05:40.480 -> 05:43.200] that is a thinking fighter.
[05:43.200 -> 05:44.560] Right, let's get into it then,
[05:44.560 -> 05:46.240] and welcome a man who is currently
[05:46.240 -> 05:48.960] the greatest featherweight fighter on the planet.
[05:48.960 -> 05:50.840] You will know him for his work in the ring,
[05:50.840 -> 05:52.640] but what about the man behind the world titles,
[05:52.640 -> 05:55.040] his role as a father as well as a fighter?
[05:55.040 -> 05:57.040] Who is the man who studied dentistry?
[05:57.040 -> 05:59.400] What does he do in his sporting life to achieve success?
[05:59.400 -> 06:02.000] What are his non-negotiable behaviors,
[06:02.000 -> 06:04.820] and what does he do that you can apply in your life?
[06:04.820 -> 06:07.800] Welcome to the High Performance Podcast, Josh Warrington.
[06:07.800 -> 06:08.700] Nice to have you with us.
[06:08.700 -> 06:10.660] Very well done there, Jake.
[06:10.660 -> 06:12.040] You've done this before, haven't you?
[06:12.040 -> 06:13.300] Couple of times.
[06:13.300 -> 06:14.140] Right, come on then.
[06:14.140 -> 06:14.960] Honored to be here.
[06:14.960 -> 06:17.060] What is high performance?
[06:18.140 -> 06:19.240] It's a big question.
[06:19.240 -> 06:21.540] It's a big question in what field?
[06:21.540 -> 06:24.420] You know, in daily life, in sport.
[06:24.420 -> 06:27.240] What's high performance in your personal life?
[06:27.240 -> 06:30.440] High performance is being a good dad,
[06:30.440 -> 06:32.920] being a good husband, providing for my family,
[06:32.920 -> 06:37.920] being a good brother to my special needs brother,
[06:38.600 -> 06:41.520] to my autistic sister, to my other brother
[06:41.520 -> 06:43.640] who missed out his childhood.
[06:43.640 -> 06:45.880] Maybe they had to sacrifice time with me dad
[06:45.880 -> 06:46.720] when we were growing up,
[06:46.720 -> 06:49.080] because my dad trained me as a young man.
[06:49.080 -> 06:50.720] Being a role model,
[06:50.720 -> 06:53.600] being given that title in the public eye now,
[06:53.600 -> 06:55.040] I have people spending their hard earned money
[06:55.040 -> 06:56.760] coming to watch me perform
[06:56.760 -> 06:59.160] in the under the bright lights in the ring, whatever.
[06:59.160 -> 07:02.560] Being inspiring to the next generation
[07:02.560 -> 07:05.280] and try to leave a legacy behind.
[07:05.280 -> 07:10.280] You know, those things and priorities have changed
[07:10.360 -> 07:11.960] a lot of the years, but family
[07:11.960 -> 07:13.840] has normally always been number one
[07:13.840 -> 07:16.660] and will probably continue to be so.
[07:16.660 -> 07:18.080] And how important has it been for you
[07:18.080 -> 07:21.400] to have a dad who sacrificed so much
[07:21.400 -> 07:22.720] to get you to be the fighter you are,
[07:22.720 -> 07:26.760] but also to have family members who have special needs
[07:26.760 -> 07:29.200] so that you have that daily reminder
[07:29.200 -> 07:30.360] how lucky you have been.
[07:30.360 -> 07:34.040] I wonder to what extent your family is your inspiration.
[07:34.040 -> 07:35.320] It's massive inspiration.
[07:35.320 -> 07:38.040] I mean, it's a lot of smoke up my own backside,
[07:38.040 -> 07:41.080] but I think I've always had a wiser on young shoulders.
[07:41.080 -> 07:44.960] So I've always looked at life a little bit differently.
[07:44.960 -> 07:45.800] What a young man. I used to spend a lot of a little bit differently when I was a young man.
[07:45.800 -> 07:47.640] I used to spend a lot of time with my dad.
[07:47.640 -> 07:50.280] He was like my best mate, you know,
[07:50.280 -> 07:51.360] he wasn't like a father and son,
[07:51.360 -> 07:53.240] we were just more or less pals.
[07:53.240 -> 07:56.480] Used to socialize a lot with him and his pals.
[07:56.480 -> 07:59.280] So I'd be amongst like an older mentality
[07:59.280 -> 08:01.320] and just, you get to see, you know,
[08:01.320 -> 08:04.040] the sacrifices when you look at other families
[08:04.040 -> 08:06.160] and how they're going about their business.
[08:06.160 -> 08:09.000] And then you sit home at night and you realize
[08:09.000 -> 08:10.740] I'm spending so much time with dad,
[08:10.740 -> 08:12.800] but Marks and Thomas aren't.
[08:12.800 -> 08:15.100] They're not spending as much time with him.
[08:15.100 -> 08:17.160] And as you get older and you look back on that,
[08:17.160 -> 08:20.280] you think, as I go forward in life,
[08:20.280 -> 08:23.920] I've got to make sure that that was all worth it
[08:23.920 -> 08:25.680] because there's one thing that you can't be given back
[08:25.680 -> 08:26.520] and that's time.
[08:26.520 -> 08:29.020] So in a way, use that as motivation,
[08:29.020 -> 08:31.400] especially throughout my pro career.
[08:31.400 -> 08:33.520] I'm always starting with brothers and my sister
[08:33.520 -> 08:36.880] and later down the line, I look at it and think
[08:36.880 -> 08:40.080] maybe my brother might need help down the line
[08:40.080 -> 08:42.760] in helping and in getting a job
[08:42.760 -> 08:44.280] or getting a house or whatever.
[08:44.280 -> 08:45.600] So might my sister.
[08:45.600 -> 08:47.720] So I want to build an empire.
[08:47.720 -> 08:49.040] Obviously, I've got my immediate family.
[08:49.040 -> 08:50.680] I've got my wife, I've got my kids,
[08:50.680 -> 08:53.960] but I don't feel like that's someone close the door.
[08:53.960 -> 08:56.280] I've always been a family man and always been close to my family.
[08:56.280 -> 08:59.480] So, you know, I feel responsibility in that sense.
[08:59.480 -> 09:01.680] And that is used in a motivation.
[09:01.680 -> 09:03.120] I don't just solely rely on that,
[09:03.120 -> 09:08.000] but it's added to the motivation when, you know, you're in the changing rooms hours before the fight Mae'n cael ei ddefnyddio mewn motivaeth. Dwi ddim yn meddwl y byddwn yn ymddangos ar hynny, ond mae'n cael ei ddod i'r motivaeth pan ydych chi yn y chweithredoedd,
[09:08.000 -> 09:14.000] mewn gyfran o'r gwaith, ac yn meddwl, pam dydw i'n gwneud hyn? Pam dydw i ddim yn mynd i'r gwaith yn y rhan? Mae'n gallu bod yn ddifrifol iawn.
[09:14.000 -> 09:27.280] Felly un o'n ffrasiau pwysig, Josh, yw'r ffaith bod y rhai sy'n rhoi'r ffynion i chi fflwyo, ac mae'n ddweud bod eich teulu chi wedi rhoi rai rwyferwyr pwysig i chi y gallwch chi hefyd eu hysgrifio ar hyn o bryd.
[09:27.280 -> 09:30.320] Beth fyddech chi'n dweud o'r pethau pwysicaf
[09:30.320 -> 09:34.240] pan ydych chi'n ysgrifennu'r teulu a'r legais sydd gennych iddo?
[09:34.240 -> 09:35.760] Beth oedd y gynnydd y gafodd iddo i chi
[09:35.760 -> 09:38.880] sydd eich cymryd i chi fynd ymlaen a bod yn mor cyffredin?
[09:38.880 -> 09:40.640] Rwy'n credu, i fy nghyflawn,
[09:40.640 -> 09:42.160] fel plentyn yn groes i Lleidiau,
[09:42.160 -> 09:44.720] ar ddarlith y cynulliad,
[09:44.720 -> 09:46.520] mae'n haws i ddod i mewn i beth sy'n ei wneud eraill. I'm a young lad, as a kid growing up in Leeds, on a council estate, it's easy to get,
[09:46.520 -> 09:48.840] it's easy to fall into what everyone else is doing.
[09:48.840 -> 09:52.440] So, nicking cars, sniffing glue,
[09:52.440 -> 09:54.960] smoking, whatever, drinking on a Friday night.
[09:54.960 -> 09:56.680] And why do you not want to do that?
[09:56.680 -> 09:57.800] Everyone else is doing it.
[09:57.800 -> 09:59.400] Why do you want to spend your time three times a week
[09:59.400 -> 10:00.880] going to a boxing gym?
[10:00.880 -> 10:02.760] Why don't you go play football with everyone else?
[10:02.760 -> 10:05.080] As much as I would like to have played football,
[10:05.080 -> 10:07.000] I just didn't have the talent.
[10:07.000 -> 10:10.680] Walked into a boxing gym and played it.
[10:10.680 -> 10:12.160] Just an energetic kid.
[10:12.160 -> 10:13.760] How old were you when you went first?
[10:13.760 -> 10:16.800] Seven years old, energetic kid, you know,
[10:16.800 -> 10:20.200] grew up in the 90s watching like WWF.
[10:20.200 -> 10:22.200] So watching people put steel chairs over their head,
[10:22.200 -> 10:23.840] that were amazing to me.
[10:23.840 -> 10:26.680] And I was just always play fighting with my brothers,
[10:26.680 -> 10:27.520] but my dad was like,
[10:27.520 -> 10:28.960] right, we need to take that energy out of you.
[10:28.960 -> 10:31.000] So I went into a boxing gym,
[10:31.000 -> 10:32.520] but just like anything as a kid,
[10:32.520 -> 10:34.680] you know, you go full fads and that.
[10:34.680 -> 10:36.560] And me old fellow used to turn around and say to me,
[10:36.560 -> 10:39.240] listen, don't waste time.
[10:39.240 -> 10:42.840] You're wasting my time for me taking you to the gym.
[10:42.840 -> 10:44.400] He said, you're wasting the people
[10:44.400 -> 10:46.240] who are looking after you in the gym.
[10:46.240 -> 10:47.200] You're wasting their time.
[10:47.200 -> 10:49.840] He said, if you're gonna do it, don't do it.
[10:49.840 -> 10:51.720] If you want to go and play with your mates,
[10:51.720 -> 10:52.760] well fucking go play with your mates.
[10:52.760 -> 10:55.520] You can't come downstairs and say to me,
[10:55.520 -> 10:57.040] dad, I wanna go to gym tonight
[10:57.040 -> 10:58.320] and then not wanna go two days later.
[10:58.320 -> 11:00.800] He said, you either do it or you don't do it.
[11:00.800 -> 11:02.840] And instantly I told him that.
[11:02.840 -> 11:06.360] It didn't take much for me to,
[11:06.360 -> 11:07.960] you know, have to be told again.
[11:07.960 -> 11:08.800] That would it.
[11:08.800 -> 11:09.760] If I was going to be a boxer,
[11:09.760 -> 11:11.200] then I was going to be a boxer.
[11:11.200 -> 11:13.000] I think you said that about eight years old
[11:13.000 -> 11:14.680] and I've been playing for about two years,
[11:14.680 -> 11:15.520] but that would it.
[11:15.520 -> 11:16.520] I would dedicate it to it then.
[11:16.520 -> 11:18.480] When I would get into a teenage lad,
[11:18.480 -> 11:19.880] hanging about with my mates,
[11:19.880 -> 11:21.200] yeah, they'd be having a drink
[11:21.200 -> 11:22.880] and go to house parties on Friday night.
[11:22.880 -> 11:24.160] But instead of me having a drink,
[11:24.160 -> 11:25.520] I'd take a bottle of water with me,
[11:25.520 -> 11:26.880] and I'll take a bottle of Luxured.
[11:26.880 -> 11:28.560] Instead of getting the bus home,
[11:28.560 -> 11:31.160] you know, bus three miles home, I'd jog home instead.
[11:31.160 -> 11:32.920] And that was just my mentality.
[11:32.920 -> 11:35.800] I didn't want to be wasting anyone else's time.
[11:35.800 -> 11:38.680] I'd already seen that my brothers had sacrificed quite a lot.
[11:38.680 -> 11:41.440] I'd already seen that, like, my dad coming home from work,
[11:41.440 -> 11:43.480] then taking me to the gym, you know?
[11:43.480 -> 11:47.600] So it wasn't as though I would try to do it to him,
[11:47.600 -> 11:49.200] like impress him as such,
[11:49.200 -> 11:53.240] but I wanted to kind of thank him for the time already.
[11:53.240 -> 11:55.760] And then, and I obviously use that
[11:55.760 -> 11:57.800] as an inspiration later down the line.
[11:57.800 -> 12:00.160] I remember I did,
[12:00.160 -> 12:02.240] I was fortunate to write a book a few years ago
[12:02.240 -> 12:03.640] about Marvin Hagler.
[12:03.640 -> 12:07.600] And I remember a quote that he'd spoken about boxers.
[12:07.600 -> 12:09.680] Their motivation is one of three types.
[12:09.680 -> 12:11.480] He talks about desperation,
[12:11.480 -> 12:13.800] that you do it to escape something.
[12:13.800 -> 12:14.840] Rationalization,
[12:14.840 -> 12:18.120] because it's where your best talents are best served.
[12:18.120 -> 12:19.000] And then the third one,
[12:19.000 -> 12:21.000] and he said this was the most powerful one,
[12:21.000 -> 12:22.440] was inspiration.
[12:22.440 -> 12:24.000] The guys that have just found this place
[12:24.000 -> 12:26.000] and they do it because they'd rather do that than anything else on earth. So what was your inspiration y pwysicaf, yw'r ysbrydoliad. Y bobl sy'n ddod o'r lle hwn ac yn ei wneud oherwydd
[12:26.000 -> 12:28.000] mae'n rhaid iddyn nhw wneud hynny neu unrhywbeth ar y ddŵr.
[12:28.000 -> 12:30.000] Felly pa oedd eich ysbrydoliad chi,
[12:30.000 -> 12:32.000] o'r ffordd rydyn ni'n gwneud y mwyaf o'r amser a'r gwybodaethau
[12:32.000 -> 12:34.000] a oedd yn rhoi arnoch chi? Pa oedd
[12:34.000 -> 12:36.000] y boxing yn rhoi arnoch chi?
[12:36.000 -> 12:38.000] Dwi'n meddwl
[12:38.000 -> 12:40.000] am £3-£4, nes i ddod o £15.
[12:40.000 -> 12:42.000] Dwi'n dal i greu arna.
[12:42.000 -> 12:44.000] Dwi'n dal i greu arna i ddod o £5-£5 arna i'r rhachers.
[12:44.000 -> 12:46.520] Ond dwi'n credu, un o'r pethau lle dwi'n greu arno yn y sted I'm still waiting to grow now, still waiting to fucking get hairs on my knackers. But, you know, it was just one of them things where
[12:46.520 -> 12:48.880] I grew up in an estate where, like,
[12:48.880 -> 12:52.160] if you had an older brother who would cock on the estate,
[12:52.160 -> 12:53.160] then you were all right, you know,
[12:53.160 -> 12:56.280] everyone fucking looked up, looked after you and that.
[12:56.280 -> 12:57.400] I didn't have like older brothers.
[12:57.400 -> 12:58.840] Like I say, I'm oldest outlaw.
[12:58.840 -> 13:00.600] If you had a mom who would spoil you,
[13:00.600 -> 13:03.200] you had best trainers on and the best track suit on,
[13:03.200 -> 13:04.880] then you got to treat her a little bit differently.
[13:04.880 -> 13:06.920] If you were gonna chip in with your mates
[13:06.920 -> 13:08.080] and go get a 10 bag,
[13:08.080 -> 13:09.560] then you're part of that circle.
[13:09.560 -> 13:10.480] I didn't do none of them things,
[13:10.480 -> 13:12.320] but I still hung around that circle.
[13:12.320 -> 13:13.680] Now why, I don't know,
[13:13.680 -> 13:16.080] but later down the line,
[13:16.080 -> 13:17.760] I wanted to be better than that.
[13:17.760 -> 13:20.360] I had my first fight week after my 11th birthday.
[13:20.360 -> 13:22.580] And these fights used to take parts
[13:22.580 -> 13:25.040] in working men's clubs up and down the country.
[13:25.040 -> 13:28.160] You know, you'll know yourself like in the amateur days.
[13:28.160 -> 13:31.720] And, you know, I get out of the ring a lot of time,
[13:31.720 -> 13:34.600] you know, just want to fight, go pick up my trophy,
[13:34.600 -> 13:36.280] be chuffed to bits with that, you know.
[13:36.280 -> 13:40.320] I tried out at school and I liked success, I liked to win.
[13:40.320 -> 13:42.840] I've always liked that winning feeling.
[13:42.840 -> 13:44.920] And I'd get out of the ring, chuffed to bits with my trophy,
[13:44.920 -> 13:45.000] and I'd be walking past Falken, I'd always, I'd hear it up and down the country, Rwyf bob amser wedi hoffi'r teimlad o fwy. Ac roeddwn i'n mynd allan i ffwrdd â'r troffi
[13:45.000 -> 13:47.000] ac roeddwn i'n mynd ymlaen dros Ffrokin.
[13:47.000 -> 13:49.000] Roeddwn i'n clywed ar y ffordd a'r ddewis.
[13:49.000 -> 13:51.000] Hei, Iogan, ddod i mewn!
[13:51.000 -> 13:53.000] O bai eisiau, ond os yw ar y Newcastle,
[13:53.000 -> 13:56.000] ym Manchester, y Bradford, o bai unrhyw un.
[13:56.000 -> 13:58.000] Iogan, dod i mewn, roedd rhywun yn mynd i fyny.
[13:58.000 -> 14:00.000] Dwi'n dweud i chi, byddwch chi'n mynd.
[14:00.000 -> 14:01.000] Byddwch chi'n mynd.
[14:01.000 -> 14:03.000] Mae gennych chi rhai o hynny.
[14:03.000 -> 14:06.320] Mae rhai o'r ffrindiau fy mab yn dweud, hei, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, you keep going, you've got somewhere there, you've got somewhere there. Some of my dad's pals used to say to me,
[14:06.320 -> 14:07.160] keep on with your boxing,
[14:07.160 -> 14:09.360] don't get distracted with all this and this and this.
[14:09.360 -> 14:11.400] Don't want to end up where I am.
[14:11.400 -> 14:12.760] I used to look at these blokes and think,
[14:12.760 -> 14:16.240] well, you present yourself, well, you've got a car,
[14:16.240 -> 14:19.080] what's wrong with being you?
[14:19.080 -> 14:22.280] But I think you slowly realize that time flies by
[14:22.280 -> 14:25.840] very quickly and a lot of people were saying to me,
[14:25.840 -> 14:28.920] stick at it, they once had a promising career
[14:28.920 -> 14:32.140] in football, in sport or whatever.
[14:32.140 -> 14:34.400] They were once a fresh-faced teenager
[14:34.400 -> 14:36.920] without getting into drink and drugs or whatever
[14:36.920 -> 14:40.200] and all of a sudden, bam, 10 years has gone by,
[14:40.200 -> 14:41.680] they're knocking on door 30,
[14:41.680 -> 14:42.500] they're still living at home
[14:42.500 -> 14:43.960] in their mom and dad's back bedroom,
[14:43.960 -> 14:45.760] you know, they haven't got a pot to piss in.
[14:45.760 -> 14:47.600] And they're like, where's it all gone?
[14:47.600 -> 14:50.680] You know, it would call to be out off his head.
[14:50.680 -> 14:52.160] Like a few years ago, all of a sudden,
[14:52.160 -> 14:53.800] everyone's knuckling down, everyone's got wives,
[14:53.800 -> 14:55.120] everyone's got mortgages.
[14:55.120 -> 14:56.120] What am I doing?
[14:56.120 -> 14:58.520] And I kind of taken that mentality, right?
[14:58.520 -> 15:00.160] What the hell he did, he's just gonna go quickly.
[15:00.160 -> 15:03.960] So I didn't want to end up like every other lad
[15:03.960 -> 15:06.000] off the estate where no one comes from
[15:06.000 -> 15:10.920] this estate and does anything. But boxing, it gives you that thing where you're in control
[15:10.920 -> 15:15.320] of what you do and again, I took that mentality from a young age. I remember watching one
[15:15.320 -> 15:20.320] lad in a championship fight and he did fuck all for three rounds and he got out and he
[15:20.320 -> 15:23.560] cried his eyes out and his mum and dad were screaming, Robbery! He should have won that
[15:23.560 -> 15:25.800] fight but he didn't do anything. It was three rounds and he hardly threw eyes out and his mum and dad was screaming, Robbery! He should have won that fight, but he didn't do anything.
[15:25.800 -> 15:28.480] It were three rounds and he hardly threw a punch.
[15:28.480 -> 15:30.240] And I watched in that fight,
[15:30.240 -> 15:32.160] why is everyone carrying on round here
[15:32.160 -> 15:35.200] when it's in his own destiny right there.
[15:35.200 -> 15:37.520] If he wants to win the fight, throw the punches.
[15:37.520 -> 15:38.920] So like from my mentality,
[15:38.920 -> 15:41.980] is that is I'm in there and there's another man in there.
[15:41.980 -> 15:42.880] That's it.
[15:42.880 -> 15:50.000] It's not like I'm relying on 10 other people alongside me. It's me and it's him. So just throw the punches. Mae'n ddiddorol i mi, ond mae'n ddiddorol i mi, ond mae'n ddiddorol i mi, ond mae'n ddiddorol i mi, ond mae'n ddiddorol i mi, ond mae'n ddiddorol i mi, ond mae'n ddiddorol i mi, ond mae'n ddiddorol i mi, ond mae'n ddiddorol i mi, ond mae'n ddiddorol i mi, ond mae'n ddiddorol i mi, ond mae'n ddiddorol i mi, ond mae'n ddiddorol i mi, ond mae'n ddiddorol i mi, ond mae'n ddiddorol i mi, ond mae'n ddiddorol i mewn.
[15:50.000 -> 15:52.000] Mae'n ddiddorol i mewn.
[15:52.000 -> 15:54.000] Mae'n ddiddorol i mewn.
[15:54.000 -> 15:56.000] Mae'n ddiddorol i mewn.
[15:56.000 -> 15:58.000] Mae'n ddiddorol i mewn.
[15:58.000 -> 16:00.000] Mae'n ddiddorol i mewn.
[16:00.000 -> 16:02.000] Mae'n ddiddorol i mewn.
[16:02.000 -> 16:04.000] Mae'n ddiddorol i mewn.
[16:04.000 -> 16:06.520] Mae'n ddiddorol i mewn. Mae'n ddiddorol i mewn. against time to fill the time as much as you can, whether this is with setting a good example,
[16:06.520 -> 16:09.680] looking after your brothers and your own children,
[16:09.680 -> 16:12.200] or whether you're in a title fight,
[16:12.200 -> 16:15.240] how do you fill that 12 rounds now
[16:15.240 -> 16:17.120] in the most productive way possible?
[16:17.120 -> 16:17.960] Yeah, yeah.
[16:17.960 -> 16:20.240] I don't know, I think it's numbers.
[16:20.240 -> 16:23.040] I would, as a young kid, I had bad OCD,
[16:23.040 -> 16:24.720] my mind would fucking wander
[16:24.720 -> 16:27.340] and ask crazy, crazy questions to myself.
[16:27.340 -> 16:29.320] Like, what, listen, six, seven years old,
[16:29.320 -> 16:30.600] I used to wake up and go downstairs,
[16:30.600 -> 16:31.600] Dad, why are we here?
[16:31.600 -> 16:32.440] You know what I mean?
[16:32.440 -> 16:34.040] I had some deep-
[16:34.040 -> 16:35.880] And what answer did he get?
[16:35.880 -> 16:36.720] What do you mean, lad?
[16:36.720 -> 16:38.800] What, you're asking me questions like that?
[16:38.800 -> 16:40.400] You've got school in the morning.
[16:40.400 -> 16:42.280] I'd go back, but, fuck, you know what happens to us
[16:42.280 -> 16:44.120] when we die, where do we go, you know what I mean?
[16:44.120 -> 16:46.760] And obviously, teachers will tell you it's religion, you go up to heaven and blah, but, fuck, you know what happens to us when we die, where do we go, you know what I mean? And obviously, teachers will tell you it's religion,
[16:46.760 -> 16:49.080] you go up to heaven and blah, blah, blah,
[16:49.080 -> 16:50.240] but they fucking don't know the answers.
[16:50.240 -> 16:51.740] It's a scary question, isn't it?
[16:51.740 -> 16:53.880] For a young kid to come asking them kind of questions,
[16:53.880 -> 16:55.480] why we, how did it get made?
[16:55.480 -> 16:58.200] Oh, you learn about it in science further down the years,
[16:58.200 -> 17:00.400] but I don't know, mate, I just,
[17:00.400 -> 17:01.240] I've always been a bit of a deep thinker.
[17:01.240 -> 17:02.520] So you're obsessing then at a young age
[17:02.520 -> 17:04.400] about things that are totally out of your control.
[17:04.400 -> 17:05.280] 100%, yeah.
[17:05.280 -> 17:07.060] Then suddenly you find something
[17:07.060 -> 17:08.680] where you are absolutely in control.
[17:08.680 -> 17:09.520] Exactly.
[17:09.520 -> 17:10.960] And then you realize, hold on a minute,
[17:10.960 -> 17:13.980] if I put the effort in, if I give this my all,
[17:13.980 -> 17:15.180] then I can be successful.
[17:15.180 -> 17:17.200] And that feels to me like that was maybe a revelation
[17:17.200 -> 17:19.580] for you that this was, for the first time in your life,
[17:19.580 -> 17:21.220] something totally in your hands.
[17:21.220 -> 17:23.220] Yeah, most definitely, most definitely.
[17:23.220 -> 17:27.640] And for a while, it was my outlay, you know.
[17:27.640 -> 17:29.640] When I was in control of that,
[17:29.640 -> 17:31.920] it wasn't like, nobody could say to me,
[17:31.920 -> 17:33.360] you're not playing today because you're not good enough,
[17:33.360 -> 17:35.120] or you weren't good enough in training the other day,
[17:35.120 -> 17:36.720] so you dropped.
[17:36.720 -> 17:38.960] Listen, it's whatever you do in your training session,
[17:38.960 -> 17:42.040] don't mind because it only makes you walk into the ring.
[17:42.040 -> 17:44.840] And, you know, when I grew up in Leeds,
[17:44.840 -> 17:46.480] you know, and especially in my school,
[17:46.480 -> 17:48.040] they wanted to run me as a boxer.
[17:48.040 -> 17:49.320] So we're quite unique.
[17:49.320 -> 17:51.440] You liked being the guy at the party,
[17:51.440 -> 17:52.720] holding the water and everyone going,
[17:52.720 -> 17:53.920] why is he holding water?
[17:53.920 -> 17:55.240] Oh, he's a boxer, didn't you know?
[17:55.240 -> 17:57.040] And it just sort of put you on a pedestal
[17:57.040 -> 17:58.080] that maybe you thrived on,
[17:58.080 -> 17:59.400] that you still thrive on now.
[17:59.400 -> 18:00.780] I think you're right, to be honest with you, Jake.
[18:00.780 -> 18:02.400] Maybe I didn't get it in other fields,
[18:02.400 -> 18:04.720] so I looked for it in other ways, shapes, and forms,
[18:04.720 -> 18:07.320] and that were my, get out to be different. Just not Jake, maybe I didn't get it in other fields, so I looked for it in other ways, shapes and forms, and that were my get out to be different,
[18:07.320 -> 18:09.320] just not being the same as everyone else.
[18:09.320 -> 18:11.640] I want, like I say, I want the tallest,
[18:11.640 -> 18:12.480] I want the best looking,
[18:12.480 -> 18:14.000] even though I'm not a bad looking fella.
[18:14.000 -> 18:16.360] I know, I mean, I didn't have like a lot of brothers
[18:16.360 -> 18:18.000] who were cock on the state and that,
[18:18.000 -> 18:19.520] so that were my little thing there,
[18:19.520 -> 18:22.000] that were my uni person.
[18:22.000 -> 18:26.520] But like at 16, I'm in that predicament.
[18:26.520 -> 18:28.960] Academically, when I first started school,
[18:28.960 -> 18:32.240] I went on with 48 level, A-stars, this, that, and other.
[18:32.240 -> 18:35.520] By year nine, year 10, getting into GCs,
[18:35.520 -> 18:37.200] everyone's starting to knuckle down.
[18:37.200 -> 18:39.160] Minds on boxing, I'm just obsessed with it.
[18:39.160 -> 18:43.640] Boxing, boxing, boxing, going for five mile runs every night
[18:43.640 -> 18:47.360] on constantly in gym, always thinking about, you know,
[18:47.360 -> 18:48.800] the next opponent and everything.
[18:48.800 -> 18:49.960] My dad saying little things like,
[18:49.960 -> 18:51.720] you need to go out and get that next run done.
[18:51.720 -> 18:53.880] You know, be doing what your other man's not doing.
[18:53.880 -> 18:56.000] And that'd be, I'd be visualizing, you know,
[18:56.000 -> 18:57.520] visualized from a young age.
[18:57.520 -> 19:01.960] And then I've finished school, I've got 11 A to C GSEs,
[19:01.960 -> 19:04.000] but I don't fucking know what I want to do.
[19:04.000 -> 19:06.320] You know, everyone's out there, two year plan, they know what they're doing. They've got college, you want GSACs, but I don't fucking know what I want to do. Everyone's had their two-year plan, they know what they want to do.
[19:06.320 -> 19:08.000] They've got college, they want to do this, want to do that.
[19:08.000 -> 19:10.800] And I'm like, I've just hit a bit of a rut then.
[19:10.800 -> 19:15.320] I've kind of been doing this so much and all of a sudden it stops.
[19:15.320 -> 19:18.080] You're in school and it's just what you do.
[19:18.080 -> 19:21.240] Then bang, it stops. What do I do now?
[19:21.240 -> 19:26.480] So I remember someone coming in from the Marines talking about
[19:26.480 -> 19:30.640] yeah, sign up to Marines and we'll guide your path, we'll guide your life this and
[19:30.640 -> 19:35.000] other, I don't mind doing exercise and you can box in Marines and that
[19:35.000 -> 19:41.160] appeals to me there. My old fella said to me, listen, he said you know what I know
[19:41.160 -> 19:50.080] you're thinking about being a pro, it's a long time away you know a couple of years you've got to be 18 in Britain to become a professional fighter
[19:50.880 -> 19:57.520] he said it might seem a long way now but he said just wait be patient give it a go he said if it
[19:57.520 -> 20:02.160] doesn't work out for you you can always go in the forces later down the line being an officer or
[20:02.160 -> 20:05.800] whatever but I think you might have something there to do
[20:05.800 -> 20:07.360] to move forward with the boxing.
[20:07.360 -> 20:08.440] So just give it a go, Josh.
[20:08.440 -> 20:12.760] And, you know, for what seemed like a bit of a lifetime,
[20:12.760 -> 20:15.420] I seem to scratch my head every time I went to bed
[20:15.420 -> 20:19.120] thinking about, you know, as a 16-year-old lad,
[20:19.120 -> 20:20.480] it's life-changing decisions.
[20:20.480 -> 20:22.800] Do you sign up for this life doing this,
[20:22.800 -> 20:27.320] or do you just carry on holding, waiting for life as a boxer?
[20:27.320 -> 20:30.040] And I took the latter.
[20:30.040 -> 20:30.880] And-
[20:30.880 -> 20:33.280] But in hindsight, does that not sound obvious
[20:33.280 -> 20:37.840] given what Jake had just said about that you needed control,
[20:37.840 -> 20:39.680] you needed to control your own destiny
[20:39.680 -> 20:41.240] and the Marines would in many ways
[20:41.240 -> 20:43.440] have taken that control away from you?
[20:43.440 -> 20:44.360] It would have taken away,
[20:44.360 -> 20:46.680] but I think going through your teenage years
[20:46.680 -> 20:49.560] and adolescent years and hormones are all over the place
[20:49.560 -> 20:50.800] and stuff like that.
[20:50.800 -> 20:52.600] And I think it was just because everything
[20:52.600 -> 20:54.160] had just been taken away from me.
[20:54.160 -> 20:56.360] I've maybe comfortable because I had my boxing,
[20:56.360 -> 20:58.480] I just school and it's just what you did.
[20:58.480 -> 21:01.320] All of a sudden you're thrown into a big wide world
[21:01.320 -> 21:04.280] then, you know, 16, if you're not doing anything,
[21:04.280 -> 21:05.100] what are you going to be doing?
[21:05.100 -> 21:06.380] You're going to go sign on.
[21:06.380 -> 21:07.500] And like I said to you earlier,
[21:07.500 -> 21:10.220] I didn't want to just become another product of this day.
[21:10.220 -> 21:12.020] I was like, I'm going to go get my gyro.
[21:12.020 -> 21:14.180] And I wanted to make sure I could do something.
[21:14.180 -> 21:16.580] And it seemed that I could just step straight into that
[21:16.580 -> 21:18.540] and start making a difference there.
[21:18.540 -> 21:21.100] All right, it won't be uniquely about me,
[21:21.100 -> 21:23.220] but I'd have a focus.
[21:23.220 -> 21:27.680] And in the end, I just fell into sixth form,
[21:27.680 -> 21:30.080] started studying sports and psychology.
[21:30.080 -> 21:33.120] I did a few months there, but I just lost the drive
[21:33.120 -> 21:34.720] for studying, it wasn't one to do.
[21:34.720 -> 21:36.680] I just wanted to be in the gym and that was it.
[21:36.680 -> 21:39.680] But at the same time, I've got a few brothers.
[21:39.680 -> 21:41.240] My mom and dad have split up.
[21:41.240 -> 21:44.440] My dad's going out to work all hours in his taxi.
[21:44.440 -> 21:46.160] He's trying his best to provide for us.
[21:46.160 -> 21:47.840] I don't want to be relying on him.
[21:47.840 -> 21:49.800] Dad can't be tapping him up for a tenner.
[21:49.800 -> 21:52.280] So I find myself getting a job
[21:52.280 -> 21:54.040] as a dental technician in a lab.
[21:54.040 -> 21:55.880] I don't know how I fell into the job.
[21:55.880 -> 21:57.440] It would have just been the case of
[21:57.440 -> 21:59.640] me old fella knew someone at the lab.
[21:59.640 -> 22:01.680] Said, oh, can I just come up and just clean about,
[22:01.680 -> 22:03.840] just do something that just needs a focus.
[22:03.840 -> 22:05.740] And that was it.
[22:05.740 -> 22:07.480] Started working as that.
[22:07.480 -> 22:10.160] And next minute I've taken to it
[22:10.160 -> 22:11.640] and MacGuffin turns around and says to me,
[22:11.640 -> 22:14.360] listen, you're not half bad at this, he said,
[22:14.360 -> 22:15.400] but if you want to carry on working
[22:15.400 -> 22:18.320] and progress further into the company,
[22:18.320 -> 22:20.060] you're gonna have to qualify into it.
[22:20.060 -> 22:21.160] So I ended up doing four years
[22:21.160 -> 22:23.160] at Leeds University alongside.
[22:23.160 -> 22:24.520] See, now this fascinates me
[22:24.520 -> 22:26.280] because boxing doesn't
[22:26.280 -> 22:28.720] necessarily lend itself to stories like this.
[22:28.720 -> 22:32.080] Like you casually said about your 11 GCSEs that you got.
[22:32.080 -> 22:36.400] And now you're signing up for four years at university.
[22:36.400 -> 22:39.720] And yet I think the best fighters are the thinking fighters.
[22:39.720 -> 22:41.000] Like we said in the introduction,
[22:41.000 -> 22:43.200] you think of someone like Lomachenko
[22:43.200 -> 22:45.080] that sort of does an awful lot
[22:45.080 -> 22:48.720] in terms of working on the brain as much as he does
[22:48.720 -> 22:51.460] on his physical attributes.
[22:51.460 -> 22:54.820] And I'm interested in that aspect of your development
[22:54.820 -> 22:57.640] that you obviously nurtured that intellect,
[22:57.640 -> 22:59.560] that ability to keep thinking.
[22:59.560 -> 23:02.640] How much do you think that helped you as a fighter?
[23:02.640 -> 23:04.600] Massively, massively.
[23:04.600 -> 23:05.240] It's helped me
[23:05.240 -> 23:09.640] throughout my pro career in every single field. It's taken me
[23:09.640 -> 23:15.600] throughout the levels to get to the level where I'm at now. I mean turning pro.
[23:15.600 -> 23:20.720] As a young amateur I had aspirations to be a box for England.
[23:20.720 -> 23:24.000] I only wanted to have an England vest. When you're seeing lads pull up to
[23:24.000 -> 23:25.720] shows and they have an England vest on,
[23:26.240 -> 23:27.720] you thought they're decent then.
[23:27.720 -> 23:29.040] And that's all I wanted.
[23:29.040 -> 23:31.240] But by 16, I had aspirations of turning pro.
[23:31.880 -> 23:36.160] But then it's always been small goals for me.
[23:36.720 -> 23:39.640] You know, when you see a lot of young lads,
[23:40.600 -> 23:43.400] not just in boxing, just in sport and everything, they want everything
[23:43.400 -> 23:45.000] fucking yesterday, you know, they want everything fucking yesterday.
[23:45.000 -> 23:47.440] You know, they want to have instant success.
[23:47.440 -> 23:49.760] Nobody wants to have the long slog,
[23:49.760 -> 23:51.200] but that wasn't my mentality at the time,
[23:51.200 -> 23:53.520] it was just a case of, right, let's just see how we go here.
[23:53.520 -> 23:55.480] I'm Josh Running from Leeds, I'm 18 year old,
[23:55.480 -> 23:58.120] I've got a bit of an amateur experience, you know,
[23:58.120 -> 24:00.560] not got a big fan base or all that.
[24:00.560 -> 24:01.800] I work as a dental technician,
[24:01.800 -> 24:03.840] but I just want to see how far I can go,
[24:03.840 -> 24:06.760] set myself a few goals, win a British title.
[24:06.760 -> 24:08.560] If I could, anything for a bonus after that
[24:08.560 -> 24:10.840] would be getting a house deposit,
[24:10.840 -> 24:12.960] you know, put a card on the drive.
[24:12.960 -> 24:16.640] You know, I'm working as an apprentice dental technician.
[24:16.640 -> 24:18.520] You know, I'm on an all right wage for me,
[24:18.520 -> 24:21.280] for me, for me age, but I want more.
[24:21.280 -> 24:22.100] I want more.
[24:22.100 -> 24:23.360] So at this point, this has gone,
[24:23.360 -> 24:25.960] this has moved on from just enjoying boxing, hasn't it?
[24:25.960 -> 24:29.640] This has now become a serious goal setting and then goal achieving for you.
[24:29.640 -> 24:33.600] Well, already I'm looking back, I'm 18, but I'm looking back and thinking,
[24:33.600 -> 24:35.480] well, I've missed all them house parties.
[24:35.480 -> 24:38.080] I've got to make this count for something now.
[24:38.080 -> 24:41.640] All my pals are going off to be in college, university.
[24:41.640 -> 24:45.120] Some of them are walking into apprenticeships and they're pulling in a few grand a month.
[24:45.120 -> 24:46.860] And I'm looking at them thinking, wow,
[24:46.860 -> 24:48.720] even though you're not competing against them,
[24:48.720 -> 24:52.120] you look at your pals as a, as I did anyway,
[24:52.120 -> 24:54.800] as a bar to where to be at.
[24:54.800 -> 24:56.200] And you want to be above that bar.
[24:56.200 -> 24:58.800] So all of a sudden I've got my little career there
[24:58.800 -> 25:01.360] with boxing and yeah, there's other little things
[25:01.360 -> 25:04.120] what I'm more of it now, I've met Natasha,
[25:04.120 -> 25:05.720] me now wife.
[25:05.720 -> 25:08.400] She's got a career in hospitality and chefing.
[25:08.400 -> 25:10.880] She's working for Raymond Blanc's restaurant
[25:10.880 -> 25:12.280] and the chain of them all over Leeds.
[25:12.280 -> 25:14.000] She's a designer in her field.
[25:14.000 -> 25:16.520] I'm saying to her, listen, if you're gonna be with me,
[25:16.520 -> 25:18.040] it's gonna be a hard life.
[25:18.040 -> 25:19.440] We're not gonna be able to go off to parties
[25:19.440 -> 25:20.720] week in, week out.
[25:20.720 -> 25:24.640] We are gonna be able to go out for meals
[25:24.640 -> 25:27.160] or we're gonna have to sacrifice a lot of things,
[25:27.160 -> 25:30.000] but if you stick by me, it'd be worth it.
[25:30.000 -> 25:31.680] And let's just, you know, just see how far we can go.
[25:31.680 -> 25:33.280] When you talk about sacrifice,
[25:33.280 -> 25:34.960] what happened to those relationships
[25:34.960 -> 25:35.880] with the friends of yours
[25:35.880 -> 25:37.960] that didn't come on the journey with you?
[25:37.960 -> 25:39.240] It was just one of them, it's like,
[25:39.240 -> 25:41.560] Josh does his boxing, Josh does his boxing.
[25:41.560 -> 25:42.960] Did you have to let people go though from your life?
[25:42.960 -> 25:45.000] Yeah, 100% and you become selfish,
[25:45.000 -> 25:47.720] become very selfish, you don't see nobody.
[25:47.720 -> 25:50.480] But then, boxing's a weird sport
[25:50.480 -> 25:53.400] because ultimately you turn around and you need them
[25:53.400 -> 25:56.000] because, and Damian will know this from his dad,
[25:56.000 -> 25:58.360] that when you're fighting shows,
[25:58.360 -> 26:00.240] you need to sell tickets for you to get paid.
[26:00.240 -> 26:01.360] You sell a few tickets
[26:01.360 -> 26:03.160] where you can put a bit of money into the pot,
[26:03.160 -> 26:05.880] then yeah, we'll have you on shore. You'll have you on shore.
[26:05.880 -> 26:08.920] So as a fighter going forward,
[26:08.920 -> 26:09.760] yeah, I wanna be on part of them big shores.
[26:09.760 -> 26:11.560] So you always had these goals.
[26:11.560 -> 26:13.320] That's what I think is really fascinating
[26:13.320 -> 26:15.680] is that you are a goal setter and then a goal achiever.
[26:15.680 -> 26:18.080] And most people would sit there and go,
[26:18.080 -> 26:19.640] I'd love to be a world champion at something.
[26:19.640 -> 26:20.880] Oh, I'd love to have a Ferrari.
[26:20.880 -> 26:21.960] Oh, I'd love to have a big house.
[26:21.960 -> 26:23.520] Oh, I'd love to have a private jet.
[26:23.520 -> 26:25.840] But then don't do anything to go and achieve those things.
[26:25.840 -> 26:29.080] They forever remain just an ambition.
[26:29.080 -> 26:32.960] But you clearly went and targeted those things.
[26:32.960 -> 26:35.640] So I guess that comes down to self-belief.
[26:35.640 -> 26:37.920] And I really want to touch on this subject with you now,
[26:37.920 -> 26:39.880] how important it was for you
[26:39.880 -> 26:42.480] to always believe that this would happen.
[26:42.480 -> 26:43.840] Didn't always believe it was gonna happen
[26:43.840 -> 26:49.560] because you have setbacks, You have setbacks in life and like you say there,
[26:49.560 -> 26:51.440] everybody, certainly in this day and age,
[26:51.440 -> 26:54.600] in this millennial age, they want instant success,
[26:54.600 -> 26:56.840] instant gratitude, fucking give me a pat on the back,
[26:56.840 -> 26:58.200] look what I've just done.
[26:58.200 -> 27:01.040] Well, I was working like at the bottom of the chain
[27:01.040 -> 27:03.000] as a dental technician.
[27:03.000 -> 27:05.760] Some of my pals at work used to call me a process worker. Now, fel technicwyr dentrol, roedd rhai o fy mhobl yn gweithio yn y gweithiau a'u gofyn i mi fod yn gweithiwr proses.
[27:05.760 -> 27:08.880] Ar ôl i ni siarad am ysbrydoliaethau o ffwrdd,
[27:08.880 -> 27:10.200] rwy'n gwybod bod gen i gofynion mewnolol.
[27:10.200 -> 27:11.800] Roeddwn i eisiau bod yn ddiogel o fy hun.
[27:11.800 -> 27:13.320] Roeddwn i eisiau gwneud fy nhrein yn ddiogel.
[27:13.320 -> 27:14.520] Roeddwn i eisiau gwneud fy nadau'n ddiogel.
[27:14.520 -> 27:16.000] Roeddwn i eisiau cael y pethau sy'n ddod yn fyw.
[27:16.000 -> 27:19.560] Roeddwn i wedi rhoi 100% i'r peth rydw i wedi ei wneud.
[27:19.560 -> 27:21.520] Cofiwns i un o'r fathwyr yn gweithio,
[27:21.520 -> 27:22.760] roeddwn i'n cael ychydig o bant o un diwrnod,
[27:22.760 -> 27:23.000] ac roedd e'n dweud,
[27:23.000 -> 27:27.160] roedd e'n dweud, roedd e'n dweud, roedd e'n dweud, roedd e'n dweud, roedd e'n dweud, roedd e'n dweud, roedd e'n dweud, roedd e'n dweud, roedd e'n dweud, roedd e'n dweud, roedd e'n dweud, roedd e'n dweud, roedd e'n dweter one day and he said, listen, Josh, he says, all you're gonna be in life, right,
[27:27.160 -> 27:28.640] is a fucking process work,
[27:28.640 -> 27:29.480] you're not gonna do anything.
[27:29.480 -> 27:30.720] And I remember turning around to him at times,
[27:30.720 -> 27:33.000] said, listen, when I get to your age,
[27:33.000 -> 27:34.280] I think you're around 27,
[27:34.280 -> 27:35.600] listen, I'll have done this,
[27:35.600 -> 27:37.760] I'll have achieved more than you've ever dreamed of
[27:37.760 -> 27:40.160] in my life and I'll have got this, this and this.
[27:40.160 -> 27:41.980] And I didn't know what to put it down to material position,
[27:41.980 -> 27:43.960] but no, I was just letting him know where I was at.
[27:43.960 -> 27:45.480] But you believed it though, that's the key thing.
[27:45.480 -> 27:49.800] I believed it because I was willing to put the time and effort in.
[27:49.800 -> 27:52.480] Listen, there were times I'd come out of the gym with a black eye,
[27:52.480 -> 27:54.360] a bush lip, a fat nose,
[27:54.360 -> 27:57.200] and you think, I'm never going to achieve that goal.
[27:57.200 -> 27:58.880] But then it was something again,
[27:58.880 -> 28:01.120] what I've learned from a young age in the boxing,
[28:01.120 -> 28:03.040] I'd come away from that
[28:03.040 -> 28:09.840] and I'd want to do better in the next session. As a kid I remember getting chinned in gym, crying as I'm moving around ring.
[28:09.840 -> 28:12.880] I'm getting beat up by this lad a few years older than me, he's popping my nose
[28:12.880 -> 28:16.680] off get out ring. My dad blaming me, he used to be honest with me, he'd say
[28:16.680 -> 28:21.600] I'm fucking shy of that lad, I'm being carried on my own, shy of that, shy. For two days I'm
[28:21.600 -> 28:27.780] thinking my pal's saying you're coming out to play Josh, I, Josh? I'm in my bedroom, shadowboxing, fucking obsessed.
[28:27.780 -> 28:29.420] You're gonna learn hard in boxing, mate.
[28:29.420 -> 28:30.260] You're getting punched in the face.
[28:30.260 -> 28:31.600] I didn't want to go back to the gym
[28:31.600 -> 28:33.820] on that following session and have another beating
[28:33.820 -> 28:35.660] and get embarrassed in front of everyone else.
[28:35.660 -> 28:38.140] So I've gone to my bedroom, I'm shadowboxing,
[28:38.140 -> 28:40.140] I'm picturing what's gonna happen in this next sparring
[28:40.140 -> 28:42.500] session, it doesn't mean shit, it's a sparring session,
[28:42.500 -> 28:44.580] but for me, it's personal pride.
[28:44.580 -> 28:50.240] So I'm going back in that next session and I make him cry. All of a sudden I felt a massive relief.
[28:50.240 -> 28:53.600] What have I done differently? Well I've put a little bit more time into myself. I've had a
[28:53.600 -> 28:57.440] little bit more belief in myself. Confidence has gone up a little bit more and that seemed to happen
[28:57.440 -> 29:02.080] throughout my amateur days. You know it got to a stage at one point when I walk into shows I didn't
[29:02.080 -> 29:07.800] have an ounce of nerve doing to me and then I took that I tried to roll that at one point where I'm walking into shows, I didn't have an ounce of nerve doing to me. And then I took that, I tried to roll it over into the pro career,
[29:07.800 -> 29:10.120] but then I'm at the bottom of the pond again now,
[29:10.120 -> 29:11.560] so I've got to get to the top,
[29:11.560 -> 29:13.320] but you've got to make it happen.
[29:13.320 -> 29:16.600] And I used to just take every little bit,
[29:16.600 -> 29:19.280] every little step in my career, one bit at a time.
[29:19.280 -> 29:21.960] Maybe one good thing of having my manager with me,
[29:21.960 -> 29:23.640] Steve and my dad,
[29:23.640 -> 29:26.640] they didn't want me to be fed the easy fights.
[29:26.640 -> 29:27.640] You know, if we're gonna do it,
[29:27.640 -> 29:29.920] we're gonna do it this way, we're gonna do it the proper way.
[29:29.920 -> 29:32.080] I had like a proper apprenticeship.
[29:32.080 -> 29:36.280] So in there with testing fights at a young age,
[29:36.280 -> 29:39.200] tight fights that had pushed me and I learned a lot through,
[29:39.200 -> 29:41.080] I come out, what could I have done better?
[29:41.080 -> 29:43.600] I've always been obsessed with wanting to better myself.
[29:43.600 -> 29:46.400] See, but I think that makes you exceptional
[29:46.400 -> 29:50.000] because you're saying it as if it was natural to you.
[29:50.000 -> 29:53.560] But in my experience, I think that what you often see
[29:53.560 -> 29:55.440] with say some young fighters
[29:55.440 -> 29:57.520] or some of the young athletes that we've met here
[29:57.520 -> 29:59.920] is that when they get beat,
[29:59.920 -> 30:03.680] whether it's in the gym in sparring or in a real life fight,
[30:03.680 -> 30:06.120] they quickly look to point the finger at who can they blame,
[30:06.120 -> 30:08.600] whether it's a coach or the manager for overmatching them
[30:08.600 -> 30:11.800] or the promoter for not giving them the right opponent.
[30:11.800 -> 30:14.000] And yet what you're describing is a theme
[30:14.000 -> 30:16.280] that we come over time and time again on the podcast,
[30:16.280 -> 30:20.320] which is responsibility, absolute responsibility,
[30:20.320 -> 30:23.000] and looking at yourself before you point the finger
[30:23.000 -> 30:23.840] at anyone else.
[30:23.840 -> 30:24.680] Yeah, yeah.
[30:24.680 -> 30:27.680] And I think I realized that a fair few times.
[30:27.680 -> 30:30.080] My dad would constantly give me a reminder of that.
[30:30.080 -> 30:31.200] Don't know, excuse.
[30:31.200 -> 30:32.840] And we're driving home from...
[30:32.840 -> 30:35.920] and we've just travelled over to Manchester to spar some kids in there.
[30:35.920 -> 30:38.520] Just drove over to Liverpool, got work in the morning.
[30:38.520 -> 30:40.200] He's got work in the morning.
[30:40.200 -> 30:41.720] Fucking chai that lad.
[30:43.080 -> 30:45.000] You weren't doing a thing, I told you to, why not?
[30:45.000 -> 30:47.000] I don't know, Dad.
[30:47.000 -> 30:51.000] You better find that reason because when you come to three weeks time,
[30:51.000 -> 30:54.000] and you're fighting, and you've sold all them tickets to your pals to come and watch,
[30:54.000 -> 30:58.000] if you don't fucking find the reason there, then you're going to get found out.
[30:58.000 -> 31:01.000] And that was my mentality again.
[31:01.000 -> 31:04.000] You know, when you walk into the ring, you can't complain about,
[31:04.000 -> 31:06.360] I wish I'd done this, I wish I'd have done this, I wish I'd have done that.
[31:06.360 -> 31:07.920] That's it, now it's happening.
[31:07.920 -> 31:09.560] You're going to get found out there.
[31:09.560 -> 31:11.120] Even when in the early stages,
[31:11.120 -> 31:14.320] like I say, I was having some testing fights at a young age.
[31:14.320 -> 31:16.480] I wasn't just having my knowledge to blast out
[31:16.480 -> 31:18.000] and make my record look good.
[31:18.000 -> 31:19.360] I was in testing fights.
[31:19.360 -> 31:20.680] Some of these fighters were coming for the win.
[31:20.680 -> 31:22.480] Some of them were novices themselves
[31:22.480 -> 31:23.840] and they were after the win.
[31:23.840 -> 31:24.960] So it was a case of,
[31:25.040 -> 31:26.360] if I don't do anything about it, I ain't got no one else to rely on. were coming for the win. Some of them were novices themselves and they were after the win. So it was a case of,
[31:27.960 -> 31:29.240] if I don't do anything about it, I ain't got no one else to rely on.
[31:29.240 -> 31:31.200] My dad can say whatever he wants in the corner,
[31:31.200 -> 31:32.520] he can say, pick it up.
[31:32.520 -> 31:35.360] If I ain't got the engine to do so, who's that down to?
[31:35.360 -> 31:37.040] And I'm not surprised you have this mindset
[31:37.040 -> 31:38.640] because we've already spoken about the fact
[31:38.640 -> 31:40.520] that you love boxing because you were able
[31:40.520 -> 31:43.360] to be responsible for your own success.
[31:43.360 -> 31:46.300] And I think that when we look at blame,
[31:46.300 -> 31:48.540] or we look at fault and things like that,
[31:49.540 -> 31:52.080] we have almost a comfy relationship with blame,
[31:52.080 -> 31:53.320] I think, a lot of people.
[31:53.320 -> 31:55.480] And actually, if you look at it in a totally different way,
[31:55.480 -> 31:57.980] if you look at it as giving up control,
[31:57.980 -> 31:58.820] which is what it is,
[31:58.820 -> 32:00.720] as soon as you start blaming your bed
[32:00.720 -> 32:01.560] for not sleeping well,
[32:01.560 -> 32:04.360] or blaming the driver that drove you to the thing,
[32:04.360 -> 32:05.480] getting caught in traffic, or blaming the food that drove you to the thing, getting caught in traffic,
[32:05.480 -> 32:07.400] or blaming the food that someone else cooked for you
[32:07.400 -> 32:09.040] that you didn't like, so you didn't eat it,
[32:09.040 -> 32:10.760] so you didn't have the energy.
[32:10.760 -> 32:13.520] All you're doing is giving up responsibility,
[32:13.520 -> 32:14.720] giving up control.
[32:14.720 -> 32:17.160] If we can try and live in a world where we take
[32:17.160 -> 32:19.600] ultimate control for things that are our responsibility
[32:19.600 -> 32:22.400] and things that aren't our responsibility,
[32:22.400 -> 32:25.320] then it gives us the opportunity to be more successful.
[32:25.320 -> 32:27.120] I wonder whether that's something that you noticed
[32:27.120 -> 32:28.120] from quite a young age.
[32:28.120 -> 32:31.400] 100% yeah, yeah, whatever you, it starts with you,
[32:31.400 -> 32:33.820] it has to start with you, it's your life.
[32:35.120 -> 32:37.000] What are you like then now with people who look for fault
[32:37.000 -> 32:38.480] and look for blame and blame other people?
[32:38.480 -> 32:41.400] Are you quick to explain to them the way the world works?
[32:41.400 -> 32:44.720] In obviously listening to the stories and the circumstances
[32:44.720 -> 32:45.280] then take a decision from there. works? In obviously listening to the stories and the circumstances then you
[32:45.280 -> 32:49.620] know take a decision from there. I always try to look at other people's
[32:49.620 -> 32:54.080] shoes and see it from their scenario so somebody might make a rash decision you
[32:54.080 -> 32:58.260] know you have a human error but then there could be other factors what
[32:58.260 -> 33:01.940] influence that if someone's just lost a job and then they've been having a
[33:01.940 -> 33:05.200] hard time of their partners. Still their responsibility though?
[33:05.200 -> 33:11.280] It is still their responsibility but I guess sometimes they need to come through them
[33:11.280 -> 33:17.680] hardships and the hard times to become stronger inside mentally and I feel like I had mine as a
[33:17.680 -> 33:23.600] young boxer that's where I was able to get my hardship and my and toughened mentality.
[33:23.600 -> 33:25.760] Listen when you lose a fight as a kid,
[33:25.760 -> 33:27.100] I mean, it's not the most important things,
[33:27.100 -> 33:29.400] but as a 14, 15 year old lad,
[33:29.400 -> 33:31.400] well, you cry your eyes out for days,
[33:31.400 -> 33:32.240] you just didn't been bad,
[33:32.240 -> 33:33.880] you're going to school the next day
[33:33.880 -> 33:35.000] when reputation's everything,
[33:35.000 -> 33:37.560] you're telling all your pals you've just been beat.
[33:37.560 -> 33:39.080] It's embarrassing, you know?
[33:39.080 -> 33:41.360] And how do you get over that?
[33:41.360 -> 33:43.600] You know, well, you become stronger,
[33:43.600 -> 33:45.840] you try to be more confident.
[33:45.840 -> 33:47.640] Then other little factors in my household.
[33:47.640 -> 33:49.480] My mom and I used to go home from school
[33:49.480 -> 33:51.520] and as a 14, 15-year-old lad,
[33:51.520 -> 33:53.440] my mom and dad would be screaming house down.
[33:53.440 -> 33:55.440] You know, I didn't want to walk into that environment.
[33:55.440 -> 33:57.240] I, to everyone else, to my pa's,
[33:57.240 -> 33:59.200] oh yeah, Josh has got a nice mom and dad, blah, blah, blah.
[33:59.200 -> 34:02.240] To the inside factor, it was a fucking war zone.
[34:02.240 -> 34:03.520] Didn't want to go home.
[34:03.520 -> 34:04.760] But what do you do?
[34:04.760 -> 34:25.480] Do you sit and cry about, oh, my mom and dad are splitting up? Well, it's life, it happens. oedd y ffocin mor ffocin, ddim eisiau mynd ymlaen. Ond beth ydych chi'n ei wneud? Ydych chi'n ymwneud â'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ffocin a'r ff and you've gone to college and you've gone to uni, you've not really come up to much challenges.
[34:25.480 -> 34:27.560] And the most challenges that you've had of like,
[34:27.560 -> 34:29.400] well, which fucking pair of trainers do I buy?
[34:29.400 -> 34:33.840] Or can I go to that gig this weekend or not?
[34:33.840 -> 34:36.880] Well, it's not really life lessons, life challenges.
[34:36.880 -> 34:38.520] You're not gonna learn so much from that.
[34:38.520 -> 34:41.000] Bam, all of a sudden, fucking landlord's asking
[34:41.000 -> 34:42.720] for his rent in Newcastle,
[34:42.720 -> 34:44.540] because you've just been sacked from your job.
[34:44.540 -> 34:45.760] That's a life lesson.
[34:45.760 -> 34:47.440] Well, there's an old saying in boxing, isn't there Josh,
[34:47.440 -> 34:49.240] that you find out somebody's character
[34:49.240 -> 34:50.840] when they've been put on the backside.
[34:50.840 -> 34:54.600] So, anyone can knock over, like you say, novices
[34:54.600 -> 34:58.160] or fighters have been brought in for you to do that
[34:58.160 -> 34:59.200] and look good against.
[34:59.200 -> 35:02.200] The real test of your character is how you weather the storm
[35:02.200 -> 35:04.840] when those difficult moments happen.
[35:04.840 -> 35:06.320] And I'm interested in terms of,
[35:06.320 -> 35:08.680] you made a comment before about having to learn
[35:08.680 -> 35:11.200] to manage your nerves so that you're obviously
[35:11.200 -> 35:13.880] an intelligent lad and you can bring that thinking
[35:13.880 -> 35:16.360] mindset into your fights.
[35:16.360 -> 35:18.360] How did you go through that process of learning
[35:18.360 -> 35:22.240] to control those nerves to be able to be ice cold
[35:22.240 -> 35:24.000] in your execution?
[35:24.000 -> 35:27.320] Trying to jog my memory back from a kid,
[35:27.320 -> 35:29.760] you know, you take bits of confidence
[35:29.760 -> 35:32.480] from having victories in the ring.
[35:32.480 -> 35:35.920] You take bits of confidence when you're sparring
[35:35.920 -> 35:37.560] and you're working alongside people
[35:37.560 -> 35:39.760] who are better than you as a young lad.
[35:39.760 -> 35:43.240] So my dad never wanted me to just go in
[35:43.240 -> 35:48.600] and spar with lads my own size and weight, beat them up and then give me a pound back.
[35:48.600 -> 35:54.000] He'd always find reason or room to criticise. I wanted praise off my dad, I wanted him to say,
[35:54.000 -> 35:57.200] well done lad, but he always wanted to push me as well.
[35:57.200 -> 36:02.600] So I'm not sparring lads my own weight, I'm sparring lads that are heavier than me, more experienced than me,
[36:02.600 -> 36:06.360] and I'm having hard, hard nights. But then when it comes to the fight,
[36:06.360 -> 36:09.120] that's where he's bit of mastermind,
[36:09.120 -> 36:12.700] as a fucking psychologist, as my dad,
[36:12.700 -> 36:14.740] and as a trainer worked.
[36:14.740 -> 36:16.180] He used to say to me, walking to the ring,
[36:16.180 -> 36:18.500] he said, this lad's not been mixed in the same company
[36:18.500 -> 36:19.900] as what you've mixed in.
[36:19.900 -> 36:21.700] You've been mixed in with pros,
[36:21.700 -> 36:24.580] you've been sparring with lads who are national champions.
[36:24.580 -> 36:27.840] What has this lad done? He's not even got to a level where you're thinking, he ain't been
[36:27.840 -> 36:31.320] at the same level, he ain't put the same kind of work in. All of a sudden, you start adding
[36:31.320 -> 36:35.760] that and then you get a win, then another win, and another win, and that keeps on building,
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[38:48.520 -> 38:50.240] So now when you're fighting Ellen Road
[38:50.240 -> 38:53.040] and you've got thousands of people there for you,
[38:53.040 -> 38:57.000] you know, that a fight's never won on that ring walk,
[38:57.000 -> 38:58.840] but it can be lost.
[38:58.840 -> 39:00.960] What are you doing at those moments now?
[39:00.960 -> 39:03.080] So that was what you're doing as a young amateur.
[39:03.080 -> 39:04.920] What are you doing now to control your nerves
[39:04.920 -> 39:06.000] and give you that confidence that you're going to go in there yn y momentau hynny, felly dyna beth rydych chi'n ei wneud fel amhwyr iawn. Beth rydych chi'n ei wneud nawr i gynllunio eich nerfau a rhoi'r hyder yna i chi
[39:06.000 -> 39:11.000] y byddwch chi'n mynd yno a bydd y byd yn gweld y fersiwn gwych o Josh Warrington?
[39:11.000 -> 39:15.000] Rydych chi'n gwneud eich hun o'ch gollau, eich hun o'ch ardalau lle rydyn ni'n eisiau bod,
[39:15.000 -> 39:19.000] rydyn ni'n mynd o'rno, y pethau o hyder, rydyn ni'n mynd i'r stage nesaf,
[39:19.000 -> 39:21.000] ac yn ogystal â'r bwysig, rydych chi'n lefel byd,
[39:21.000 -> 39:24.000] ond y bach Joshua oedd yn ddim yn bwysig i gynnal y titl Brydeinog,
[39:24.000 -> 39:25.600] dydych chi ddim yn dda enough, dydych chi ddim yn gwych enough, dydych chi ddim wedi gosod unrhyw un, dydych chi ddim yn gyflym, You're on world level. Bloody hell, Josh, you were never meant to win a British title. You weren't good enough. You weren't strong enough.
[39:25.600 -> 39:27.320] You hadn't knocked anybody out.
[39:27.320 -> 39:28.480] You're not fast enough.
[39:28.480 -> 39:30.800] You know, you're just a ticket seller.
[39:30.800 -> 39:33.840] Things would have taken years and years to build up.
[39:33.840 -> 39:35.840] You know, time that I'll never get back.
[39:35.840 -> 39:39.040] It's all got to that level now.
[39:39.040 -> 39:41.720] And all of a sudden, you're fighting Ellen Road.
[39:41.720 -> 39:44.640] You're in front of 20,000 people.
[39:44.640 -> 39:46.560] You've convinced them all that you're gonna win
[39:46.560 -> 39:47.840] that world title that night,
[39:47.840 -> 39:51.800] but you're a four to one underdog in a two horse race.
[39:51.800 -> 39:54.000] You haven't been beaten in 25 fights,
[39:54.000 -> 39:56.240] but you're still four to one.
[39:56.240 -> 39:58.760] The boxing world think that you aren't gonna pair,
[39:58.760 -> 40:00.320] you know, you're gonna get your head boxed off,
[40:00.320 -> 40:01.980] you're gonna get stopped, you're gonna do this.
[40:01.980 -> 40:05.080] You've got all these outside things pecking at your head.
[40:05.080 -> 40:08.840] But by this time, I'd practiced many things,
[40:08.840 -> 40:11.480] visualization, meditation.
[40:11.480 -> 40:13.000] I would able to center myself,
[40:13.000 -> 40:14.540] I would able to block out things.
[40:14.540 -> 40:16.640] And people from my house say,
[40:16.640 -> 40:18.280] oh Josh is cool as a cucumber,
[40:18.280 -> 40:21.520] he's got to this stage without no pressure.
[40:21.520 -> 40:23.640] He looks blistering, he's up blinding,
[40:23.640 -> 40:26.400] but I don't realize mentally mentally I've been on a
[40:26.400 -> 40:31.200] fucking roller coaster. You know prior to that I've just been given opportunities. Right you've
[40:31.200 -> 40:35.800] got a shot English title do you want it? It's away from home, it's in his backyard do you want it?
[40:35.800 -> 40:40.480] Yeah I'll do it, we'll do it. Yeah you're smiling to everyone. Yeah I'm confident I'm gonna go down
[40:40.480 -> 40:44.360] really and truthfully in train jams on that night. You're thinking am I good enough? This is gonna be
[40:44.360 -> 40:46.960] tough. In the fight itself, you're having to push
[40:46.960 -> 40:51.440] yourself, you're having to find little gears where you didn't know you had and push yourself
[40:51.440 -> 40:55.680] even further. You come through that, you go on to a next level, you're fighting for Commonwealth,
[40:55.680 -> 40:57.800] you're fighting for British, you're fighting for European.
[40:57.800 -> 41:02.800] Fast forward a fair few years, the Lee Selby fight's been built up. No one's given me a
[41:02.800 -> 41:07.560] cat and mouse chance for what reason, I don't don't know because I'm late because I've got a big fan base whatever
[41:07.560 -> 41:12.760] Lee Selby's meant to box me head off. My career was all on that fight. Josh
[41:12.760 -> 41:16.480] Wanning loses this fight never mind he's won British, Commonwealth,
[41:16.480 -> 41:22.640] European, WBC, he's had five defenses, he loses this fight. That's it. I just become
[41:22.640 -> 41:25.040] a new dad as well. It wasn't just fighting for myself,
[41:25.040 -> 41:26.800] it was like I'm fighting for them too now.
[41:26.800 -> 41:27.960] I'm fighting for my little girls,
[41:27.960 -> 41:30.040] I'm keep ticking boxes off.
[41:30.040 -> 41:33.280] I've got myself a house, but now if I win this fight,
[41:33.280 -> 41:35.760] bloody hell, I can get into them dreamland paydays
[41:35.760 -> 41:38.320] where I, Marcus and Megan,
[41:38.320 -> 41:39.560] bloody hell, if they ever need to say,
[41:39.560 -> 41:41.960] Josh, we need somewhere to live,
[41:41.960 -> 41:43.360] don't you worry about it, hey, listen,
[41:43.360 -> 41:45.360] get jumping one of that, These are one of my houses.
[41:45.360 -> 41:47.920] I could say, I could go and pay my dad's mortgage off.
[41:47.920 -> 41:49.240] These are all the motivations.
[41:49.240 -> 41:51.120] It all comes from winning these fights.
[41:51.120 -> 41:52.720] I'm putting pressure on my own shoulders,
[41:52.720 -> 41:55.640] but like I say, I'd visualized it many times.
[41:55.640 -> 41:57.360] I'd been sat for years and years
[41:57.360 -> 41:58.720] thinking when this moment comes,
[41:58.720 -> 42:00.320] this is how it's going to come out.
[42:00.320 -> 42:02.600] It got to a stage where I was fucking dreaming about it.
[42:02.600 -> 42:03.880] I'd focused that much,
[42:03.880 -> 42:06.800] and I've always been massive on visualization. You know, that thought process has got to a stage where I was fucking dreaming about it. I'd focused that much and I've always been massive on visualization.
[42:06.800 -> 42:09.160] You know, that thought process has got to go some way,
[42:09.160 -> 42:10.000] it's energy.
[42:10.880 -> 42:11.920] I'd meditated over it,
[42:11.920 -> 42:15.320] I'd learned to handle pressure of the crowd.
[42:15.320 -> 42:18.920] So by the time the world title fight come, I was padded.
[42:18.920 -> 42:21.600] But when you're doing that ring walk, right?
[42:21.600 -> 42:22.440] Yeah.
[42:22.440 -> 42:23.280] For that huge fight against Lee Selby,
[42:23.280 -> 42:24.640] and like you've said,
[42:24.640 -> 42:26.220] everything that you've ever done
[42:26.220 -> 42:27.420] has come down to that moment.
[42:27.420 -> 42:29.680] And you knew that was make or break
[42:29.680 -> 42:30.720] for everything you'd ever achieved
[42:30.720 -> 42:33.760] and everything you will go on to ever achieve.
[42:33.760 -> 42:35.760] All of the struggles and all the difficult things
[42:35.760 -> 42:38.760] leading up to that point, from living on the estate
[42:38.760 -> 42:40.400] and being different to everyone else,
[42:40.400 -> 42:45.000] having siblings with mental health problems
[42:46.520 -> 42:51.520] from scrapping and fighting and getting punched on the nose
[42:51.680 -> 42:54.720] when you were a kid, all of that discomfort,
[42:54.720 -> 42:57.160] all of those moments where you might have failed
[42:57.160 -> 43:00.480] along the way, that gave you the bulletproof moment
[43:00.480 -> 43:01.600] when you walked out on the ring.
[43:01.600 -> 43:02.800] Definitely.
[43:02.800 -> 43:04.880] So is the message for people listening to this
[43:04.880 -> 43:08.060] who want to achieve more from life,
[43:08.060 -> 43:10.220] but always shy away from discomfort,
[43:10.220 -> 43:12.220] is that perhaps seeking the discomfort
[43:12.220 -> 43:13.420] is where the growth lies?
[43:13.420 -> 43:15.740] Yes, you have to take the self out of the comfort zone
[43:15.740 -> 43:18.140] because growth is not gonna happen.
[43:18.140 -> 43:19.620] You're not gonna get big biceps
[43:19.620 -> 43:20.540] if you don't pick up the ways
[43:20.540 -> 43:22.060] and put yourself through that pain.
[43:22.060 -> 43:25.640] People in this day and age are scared of failure.
[43:25.640 -> 43:27.240] They're scared of setback.
[43:27.240 -> 43:30.440] They're scared of being told no.
[43:30.440 -> 43:35.000] You know, they're scared of people making them
[43:35.000 -> 43:36.360] go through obstacles to get there.
[43:36.360 -> 43:37.200] They don't want that.
[43:37.200 -> 43:39.640] They want it to be handed on a plate.
[43:39.640 -> 43:43.000] I can say the most honest lesson that you can get
[43:43.000 -> 43:45.600] in my scenario is being punched in the face.
[43:45.600 -> 43:51.400] If you're willing to do things properly, then you're going to get exposed.
[43:51.400 -> 43:53.600] Not only are you going to get exposed, it's going to hurt.
[43:53.600 -> 43:56.200] You're going to have black eyes, you're going to have bush nose, you're going to be winded.
[43:56.200 -> 43:58.600] And you can't get any more honest than that.
[43:58.600 -> 44:02.000] Don't get me wrong, there was a time as being a dental technician,
[44:02.000 -> 44:04.400] I didn't want to fail at that either.
[44:04.400 -> 44:07.080] And there were times when I was saying to me gaffer,
[44:07.080 -> 44:08.200] you know, I'm coming late.
[44:08.200 -> 44:10.080] And he's saying, Josh, this ain't good enough.
[44:10.080 -> 44:11.920] I mean, I have to put the hours in
[44:11.920 -> 44:13.760] and I don't finish at five.
[44:13.760 -> 44:14.680] I don't do nine to five.
[44:14.680 -> 44:17.060] I do 10 while six, give him that hour back.
[44:17.060 -> 44:18.880] Sometimes I'll give him an extra half hour
[44:18.880 -> 44:21.680] because I've got to show initiative.
[44:21.680 -> 44:23.320] I've got to say thank you
[44:23.320 -> 44:24.840] because I've been given this opportunity.
[44:24.840 -> 44:27.840] Some of our people might not be as lucky.
[44:27.840 -> 44:30.200] And after fights, when I want in camp,
[44:30.200 -> 44:32.320] then if he wants to make a work a 12 hour day,
[44:32.320 -> 44:34.160] then I'm working a 12 hour day.
[44:34.160 -> 44:38.360] Because you've got to realize that you show initiative,
[44:38.360 -> 44:42.640] it gets you a lot further in life than just tossing off
[44:42.640 -> 44:45.240] and getting through the day as quick as possible.
[44:45.240 -> 44:48.240] All them bits, setbacks, putting yourself
[44:48.240 -> 44:50.960] out of your own comfort zone, the pay dividend.
[44:50.960 -> 44:54.760] I spent me 21st birthday with a British champion
[44:54.760 -> 44:56.720] who knocked the likes out of Michael Gomez
[44:56.720 -> 45:00.040] or Damien Knowles very well in a 12 foot ring,
[45:00.040 -> 45:01.360] getting bashed up by him.
[45:01.360 -> 45:02.680] Why did I do that?
[45:02.680 -> 45:04.880] Well, because I wanted to be great, I wanted to be better.
[45:04.880 -> 45:06.680] What did the Marines say?
[45:06.680 -> 45:08.320] Everybody wants to go to heaven.
[45:08.320 -> 45:10.080] Nobody's prepared to die.
[45:10.080 -> 45:11.400] We all want the good,
[45:11.400 -> 45:13.120] but we're not willing to put up with the bad.
[45:13.120 -> 45:14.240] Exactly.
[45:14.240 -> 45:15.960] You know, if you want to have the finer things in life,
[45:15.960 -> 45:17.440] or if you want to have a little bit more freedom,
[45:17.440 -> 45:18.280] or a little bit more time than you are,
[45:18.280 -> 45:21.520] you're gonna have to sacrifice a lot of things.
[45:21.520 -> 45:23.680] You know, you're never gonna be giving it
[45:23.680 -> 45:24.880] just there on a plate.
[45:24.880 -> 45:27.680] You have to make that time, unless you're born into,
[45:27.680 -> 45:31.160] unless Jeff Bezos is your dad, then, you know.
[45:31.160 -> 45:34.000] Yeah, but you know, even then though, that's not the answer.
[45:34.000 -> 45:36.000] Because you've done really well, right?
[45:36.000 -> 45:37.280] You'll have a lot of money in the bank.
[45:37.280 -> 45:39.840] Your job now is to build resilience into your kids.
[45:39.840 -> 45:41.000] That's your next challenge.
[45:41.000 -> 45:42.560] Yeah, you are right, to be honest with you.
[45:42.560 -> 45:44.880] Have you got any idea how you might do that?
[45:44.880 -> 45:45.040] Just not fucking spoil them. That's your next challenge. Yeah, you are right, to be honest with you. Do you have any idea how you might do that?
[45:45.040 -> 45:47.480] Just not fucking spoil them.
[45:47.480 -> 45:49.840] And try to give them, you know,
[45:49.840 -> 45:51.880] I'd say that one, why kids go to,
[45:51.880 -> 45:53.240] I mean, this is not pointing to any kids
[45:53.240 -> 45:54.240] who do go to private school,
[45:54.240 -> 45:56.080] but stick with state schools.
[45:56.080 -> 45:57.320] My missus did a lot of studying
[45:57.320 -> 45:59.800] and she has reasons and arguments for why,
[45:59.800 -> 46:01.600] you know, state schools, private schools, whatever.
[46:01.600 -> 46:05.040] But I think you have to set challenges.
[46:05.040 -> 46:08.920] I remember reading about Richard Branson as a young age.
[46:08.920 -> 46:10.600] His mom and dad used to drop him off.
[46:10.600 -> 46:12.840] I probably wouldn't do the same now in this day and age,
[46:12.840 -> 46:15.400] but he used to drop him off miles away from his home
[46:15.400 -> 46:16.840] and say, find your way home.
[46:16.840 -> 46:18.740] And it's setting them challenges,
[46:18.740 -> 46:20.520] taking them out of your comfort zone.
[46:20.520 -> 46:22.600] My dad would say the same to me as a kid.
[46:22.600 -> 46:24.080] I want you to go run to this place
[46:24.080 -> 46:25.880] and I'd be fucking miles away from home
[46:25.880 -> 46:26.920] and then get yourself back.
[46:26.920 -> 46:31.120] But you can't monocle, you know, your children.
[46:31.120 -> 46:32.680] Have you heard the phrase helicopter parenting?
[46:32.680 -> 46:33.520] Have you heard this?
[46:33.520 -> 46:34.340] Yeah.
[46:34.340 -> 46:37.560] Like parents who hover around their kids all the time
[46:37.560 -> 46:39.080] ensuring that they never fail at anything.
[46:39.080 -> 46:41.040] And I think this whole conversation with you
[46:41.040 -> 46:45.440] has been about the positive that comes out of failing,
[46:45.440 -> 46:46.920] because that's where the growth lies.
[46:46.920 -> 46:51.160] Yeah, it is, it is, it is, it is massively, it is massively.
[46:51.160 -> 46:53.160] Nothing teaches you more,
[46:53.160 -> 46:55.560] more so than your own life experiences.
[46:55.560 -> 46:56.400] People said to me,
[46:56.400 -> 46:57.520] there's no like having you,
[46:57.520 -> 46:59.040] when you have your own kids, time passes.
[46:59.040 -> 46:59.880] And you say, yeah, yeah,
[46:59.880 -> 47:01.440] and you try to, you try to,
[47:01.440 -> 47:03.320] try to realize that as much as possible,
[47:03.320 -> 47:04.800] but you actually don't realize
[47:04.800 -> 47:06.320] until you have kids of your own, you know?
[47:06.320 -> 47:09.680] And these things in different scenarios,
[47:09.680 -> 47:11.700] walks of life, business, sex, whatever,
[47:12.640 -> 47:14.640] it's experience and downfalls,
[47:14.640 -> 47:16.380] it's how you bounce back from them as well.
[47:16.380 -> 47:19.120] These rainy days, they do come,
[47:19.120 -> 47:21.080] but they don't always last forever.
[47:21.080 -> 47:24.680] And if you're persistent enough, keep chipping away,
[47:24.680 -> 47:26.000] then eventually you will leave that path behind, you will leave that bad place behind, Mae'r cwmni yn ymwneud â'r cwmni yn y gwaith, ond mae'n rhaid i chi ddod o'r ffordd. Mae'n rhaid i chi ddod o'r ffordd.
[47:26.000 -> 47:28.000] Mae'n rhaid i chi ddod o'r ffordd.
[47:28.000 -> 47:30.000] Mae'n rhaid i chi ddod o'r ffordd.
[47:30.000 -> 47:32.000] Mae'n rhaid i chi ddod o'r ffordd.
[47:32.000 -> 47:34.000] Mae'n rhaid i chi ddod o'r ffordd.
[47:34.000 -> 47:36.000] Mae'n rhaid i chi ddod o'r ffordd.
[47:36.000 -> 47:38.000] Mae'n rhaid i chi ddod o'r ffordd.
[47:38.000 -> 47:40.000] Mae'n rhaid i chi ddod o'r ffordd.
[47:40.000 -> 47:42.000] Mae'n rhaid i chi ddod o'r ffordd.
[47:42.000 -> 47:44.000] Mae'n rhaid i chi ddod o'r ffordd.
[47:44.000 -> 47:46.720] Mae'n rhaid i chi ddod o'r ffordd. Mae'n rhaid i chi ddod o'r ffordd. Going to gym, knackered. Going to university, falling asleep. But thinking to myself, it'll all be worth it,
[47:46.720 -> 47:49.040] it'll all be worth it, it'll all be worth it in the end.
[47:49.040 -> 47:50.400] And I remember going to drop some tickets off
[47:50.400 -> 47:54.040] to one of my pals and I picked him up
[47:54.040 -> 47:57.720] and everyone was going to this party on the weekend coming.
[47:57.720 -> 47:58.560] And I remember saying to him,
[47:58.560 -> 48:01.760] oh, you must be buzzing for this party.
[48:01.760 -> 48:03.360] I'm gutted I can't go, I'm gutted I can't go.
[48:03.360 -> 48:04.680] He went, oh yeah, you'll be training more,
[48:04.680 -> 48:05.800] you're getting ready for your fight. He says, yeah, yeah, how'su mynd. Cwtiodd, dwi ddim yn gallu mynd. Ac fe dweud, oh ie, byddwch yn ymwneud â'r ffordd. Dwi'n cael yn ymwneud â'r ffordd i'w ymwneud â'r ffyrdd.
[48:06.600 -> 48:07.520] Ac fe dweud, ie, ie,
[48:07.520 -> 48:08.000] sut mae'n mynd?
[48:08.000 -> 48:08.520] Ac fe dweud, ie, ie,
[48:08.520 -> 48:10.400] dwi'n ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim yn ddim in
[48:10.400 -> 48:11.000] ac fe dweud,
[48:11.000 -> 48:27.720] dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, dweud, d And I think he just said to me, listen, same old, we've been doing the same thing since we were 18.
[48:27.720 -> 48:30.160] For three years, we've been going to same places,
[48:30.160 -> 48:31.960] same people, doing the same thing,
[48:31.960 -> 48:33.800] getting pissed, having a hangover.
[48:33.800 -> 48:35.040] It's fucking boring.
[48:35.040 -> 48:37.440] So let me tell you now, from my point of view,
[48:37.440 -> 48:40.840] any one of us, what looks at you and thinks,
[48:40.840 -> 48:41.960] how does he do it?
[48:41.960 -> 48:44.720] And we all look at you and think, wow,
[48:44.720 -> 48:45.640] we could be in our shoes.
[48:45.640 -> 48:46.480] You know what?
[48:46.480 -> 48:48.320] I wish I'd have not got into this drinking
[48:48.320 -> 48:51.040] and carried on with my contracts with Yorkshire Hammers
[48:51.040 -> 48:51.960] as a footballer,
[48:51.960 -> 48:52.780] because who knows,
[48:52.780 -> 48:55.480] I could have been somewhere where you are now.
[48:55.480 -> 48:57.360] Fucking hell, it would have kicked up the arse
[48:57.360 -> 48:59.440] what I needed just at that moment in time.
[48:59.440 -> 49:01.600] Just one of my pals who normally talks a load of shit
[49:01.600 -> 49:03.720] and just tells you the worst jokes in the world,
[49:03.720 -> 49:05.160] all of a sudden he's given me a lesson in life,
[49:05.160 -> 49:08.760] but it was enough to give me a massive boost.
[49:08.760 -> 49:10.600] I'm not missing out on much here.
[49:10.600 -> 49:11.720] Yeah, it might look glamorous,
[49:11.720 -> 49:13.040] everyone going out and getting pissed,
[49:13.040 -> 49:15.800] and like people do it now on the social media.
[49:15.800 -> 49:18.400] Their Instagram life is absolutely fantastic.
[49:18.400 -> 49:21.040] Sometimes they'll put that down and they'll post down.
[49:21.040 -> 49:21.880] Fuck me, I'm bored now.
[49:21.880 -> 49:23.160] What do I do now?
[49:23.160 -> 49:26.600] Everyone's not living that perfect life.
[49:26.600 -> 49:29.480] Everyone is going through some hard times.
[49:29.480 -> 49:30.560] Just focus on your own.
[49:30.560 -> 49:32.340] And from there on, I'm thinking,
[49:32.340 -> 49:34.080] I'm not missing out on fuck all.
[49:34.080 -> 49:36.160] And I've got to make this time what I'm doing,
[49:36.160 -> 49:38.840] this hardship, and make it all worthwhile.
[49:38.840 -> 49:40.920] I don't want to turn around in three years time
[49:40.920 -> 49:43.320] and I've just been chinned and my career's more or less done.
[49:43.320 -> 49:45.240] I want to make sure I've turned around in three years
[49:45.240 -> 49:47.120] and I'm just going on to the next level.
[49:47.120 -> 49:48.480] All the hardship I've come through,
[49:48.480 -> 49:49.840] will it be worth it?
[49:49.840 -> 49:52.720] Oh, what a special message that was from you.
[49:52.720 -> 49:53.560] Massive, massive.
[49:53.560 -> 49:55.160] Like you're saying, the hairs on the back of mine
[49:55.160 -> 49:56.920] are standing out there.
[49:56.920 -> 49:58.000] I think you have to listen.
[49:58.000 -> 49:59.840] You have to listen, whether it's,
[49:59.840 -> 50:00.800] I had advice off Ricky,
[50:00.800 -> 50:02.360] and when I was boxed,
[50:02.360 -> 50:04.040] when I come away from that Dennis Tiberium fight,
[50:04.040 -> 50:05.280] I went over to him after.
[50:05.280 -> 50:07.360] I was getting absolutely slated on social media.
[50:07.360 -> 50:10.040] The pundits, the Sky pundits, slagged me to the ground.
[50:10.040 -> 50:11.200] I didn't know how to handle it.
[50:11.200 -> 50:12.200] And he said to me,
[50:12.200 -> 50:14.080] he said, why are you getting worked up?
[50:14.080 -> 50:16.400] Why are you getting worked up by these people?
[50:16.400 -> 50:17.720] They're not in your life.
[50:17.720 -> 50:22.880] When Dave Decorator or John Sparky goes home with his life,
[50:22.880 -> 50:26.440] his pleasure is going onto social media
[50:26.440 -> 50:27.880] and slagging you off.
[50:27.880 -> 50:29.400] He says, don't you get worked up by it,
[50:29.400 -> 50:30.640] concentrate on your life,
[50:30.640 -> 50:33.240] because the career where you're going,
[50:33.240 -> 50:34.520] the path that you're on,
[50:34.520 -> 50:36.680] in a few years time when you're going home to your big house
[50:36.680 -> 50:38.800] and you don't have a mortgage and this and that,
[50:38.800 -> 50:40.640] are you gonna be still worried about them then?
[50:40.640 -> 50:42.720] No, they probably don't get a fuck off their missus.
[50:42.720 -> 50:43.560] Do you know what I mean?
[50:43.560 -> 50:46.080] He said, why are you getting so worked up about it then?
[50:46.080 -> 50:49.160] And, you know, he's taking little things in from that,
[50:49.160 -> 50:52.760] like that, obviously, hearing stuff like that from Rick were
[50:52.760 -> 50:53.600] a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive,
[50:53.600 -> 50:54.440] a massive, a massive, a massive,
[50:54.440 -> 50:55.260] a massive, a massive, a massive,
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[50:58.600 -> 50:59.440] a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive,
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[51:04.360 -> 51:05.240] a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a massive, a Yn ystod y amser rydw i wedi mynd allan i'r brifysgol ac roedd yna rhywbeth yn y cyfrifiad hwnnw, rydw i'n meddwl y byddwn i'n gallu mynd allan gyda hynny.
[51:05.240 -> 51:09.040] Ond nid yw cyfryngau cymdeithasol y myfyrwyr ar eich cyngor ystafell?
[51:09.040 -> 51:09.840] Y gwybod wyt ti'n mynd i'r cymdeithasol?
[51:09.840 -> 51:11.760] Y myfyrwyr sy'n gwneud y gwyrdd,
[51:11.760 -> 51:14.760] neu'n ddrinio ar y ffrid,
[51:14.760 -> 51:15.960] neu'n ychwanegu'r car.
[51:15.960 -> 51:21.000] Y cyfryngau cymdeithasol yw'r cyfryngau cymdeithasol y myfyrwyr hynny, oes?
[51:21.000 -> 51:21.560] Yn siŵr.
[51:21.560 -> 51:24.560] Ar 8 oed, roeddech chi'n gwneud y penderfyniad,
[51:24.560 -> 51:26.280] rydw i'n dilyn fy mhath fy hun. Felly mae rhywbeth yn cydweithiol am eich penderfyniad. those kids in there and eight years old, you were making the decision, I'll follow my own path here.
[51:26.280 -> 51:29.200] So there's something consistent about your decision.
[51:29.200 -> 51:31.720] Don't worry about some troll on social media
[51:31.720 -> 51:33.040] making a comment about you.
[51:33.040 -> 51:34.240] It's your life.
[51:34.240 -> 51:35.960] What happens to this world
[51:35.960 -> 51:38.360] when my lights get switched off for final time?
[51:38.360 -> 51:39.520] Does we all still exist?
[51:39.520 -> 51:42.920] Does you know, you find as life goes on
[51:42.920 -> 51:44.960] and I'd noticed that by time I'm 15,
[51:44.960 -> 51:45.000] that some people I was 15,
[51:45.000 -> 51:47.880] that some people, you'd see him in the gym
[51:47.880 -> 51:50.100] and then they'd be off it.
[51:50.100 -> 51:52.240] And the next minute, oh, have you heard about him?
[51:52.240 -> 51:53.800] Oh yeah, he's just been locked, he's on tag.
[51:53.800 -> 51:55.760] He's only 14, he's on bloody tag.
[51:55.760 -> 51:56.600] Do you know what I mean?
[51:56.600 -> 52:00.440] And you'd see that people come and go in part of your life.
[52:00.440 -> 52:01.280] But-
[52:01.280 -> 52:02.100] It's not been a bad thing maybe for you
[52:02.100 -> 52:03.200] to see people make those mistakes.
[52:03.200 -> 52:04.160] No, not at all.
[52:04.160 -> 52:07.000] Not at all, because your own experience,
[52:07.000 -> 52:09.400] your own life is the best teacher,
[52:09.400 -> 52:12.400] but you can take little bits off other people.
[52:12.400 -> 52:15.000] I've seen fighters who've earned enough money
[52:15.000 -> 52:17.680] to have paid the mortgage off,
[52:17.680 -> 52:20.040] you know, have a decent car and drive,
[52:20.040 -> 52:23.400] and they've spunked it up the wall.
[52:23.400 -> 52:24.840] And I remember thinking that,
[52:25.880 -> 52:28.120] I don't want that, I want to have people around me like that.
[52:28.120 -> 52:30.960] So I always kept a small circle.
[52:30.960 -> 52:32.920] I have thousands of people coming to watch me,
[52:32.920 -> 52:36.680] but my best appalleza is still always a tight circle.
[52:36.680 -> 52:39.680] In the early days, people used to say to me,
[52:39.680 -> 52:40.800] you want to go to the next level,
[52:40.800 -> 52:42.120] you need to get rid of that.
[52:42.120 -> 52:43.280] Not experienced enough.
[52:44.160 -> 52:46.600] I used to think to myself, hold on a minute.
[52:46.600 -> 52:48.400] I've got ears and I've got eyes.
[52:48.400 -> 52:50.500] I can see what's going on around me.
[52:50.500 -> 52:53.280] What he says to his fighter,
[52:53.280 -> 52:55.520] and what my dad says to me as a fighter,
[52:55.520 -> 52:58.760] in instruction, what my dad says makes sense.
[52:58.760 -> 53:00.200] What he's saying to him,
[53:00.200 -> 53:02.280] fucking hell, it don't make sense whatsoever.
[53:02.280 -> 53:07.000] So how do you know who's right for me, who's wrong for me?
[53:07.000 -> 53:08.720] It's your decisions, your life.
[53:08.720 -> 53:10.360] All right, I could have taken that in
[53:10.360 -> 53:11.560] and had a little think about it,
[53:11.560 -> 53:14.600] but I had enough experience to know
[53:14.600 -> 53:16.600] what went right and what went wrong there.
[53:16.600 -> 53:19.560] Not like outside influence, that affects me.
[53:19.560 -> 53:20.400] I love that.
[53:20.400 -> 53:22.640] I love the loyalty as well.
[53:22.640 -> 53:24.480] And the responsibility again.
[53:24.480 -> 53:25.320] Yeah, exactly.
[53:25.320 -> 53:26.160] There's some huge things.
[53:26.160 -> 53:28.360] You're only responsible for your own actions.
[53:28.360 -> 53:30.360] Don't be going fucking blaming other people.
[53:30.360 -> 53:32.840] If you're listening to this
[53:32.840 -> 53:35.320] and you're working that dead-end job,
[53:35.320 -> 53:38.200] I've had it earlier in the year with one of my best pals
[53:38.200 -> 53:39.800] and I just sat him down and said,
[53:39.800 -> 53:42.680] right, listen, mate, you're not happy with your job now.
[53:42.680 -> 53:45.240] You keep on talking about wanting to leave.
[53:45.240 -> 53:48.000] You look like you're not going any further up the ladder.
[53:48.000 -> 53:50.520] You've been there over eight years now.
[53:50.520 -> 53:53.680] You're working for somebody else, right?
[53:53.680 -> 53:55.240] Now, what are you gonna do?
[53:55.240 -> 53:57.840] You've got this idea, you know everything about it,
[53:57.840 -> 54:00.120] you've got people to back you.
[54:00.120 -> 54:01.320] Are you gonna just sit on there
[54:01.320 -> 54:03.080] and think of what could have been?
[54:03.080 -> 54:04.960] Or are you actually gonna do something about it?
[54:04.960 -> 54:06.720] If you do something about it,
[54:06.720 -> 54:09.000] then in two years time,
[54:09.000 -> 54:10.120] it might not have worked,
[54:10.120 -> 54:11.560] and you think, you know what,
[54:11.560 -> 54:12.600] I had a go at it,
[54:12.600 -> 54:13.880] and it didn't work out,
[54:13.880 -> 54:15.320] and then you're back in your job
[54:15.320 -> 54:17.000] until something else comes along.
[54:17.000 -> 54:18.600] But if it does work,
[54:18.600 -> 54:19.680] all of a sudden,
[54:19.680 -> 54:21.240] you're your own gaffer,
[54:21.240 -> 54:22.600] you're in control of what you're doing,
[54:22.600 -> 54:27.080] you're not having to do them overtime shifts on a Saturday and Sunday.
[54:27.080 -> 54:29.000] You're not having to come home from work
[54:29.000 -> 54:30.560] at nine o'clock at night.
[54:30.560 -> 54:32.320] You can dictate.
[54:32.320 -> 54:33.960] The hours that you're putting in now,
[54:33.960 -> 54:35.960] you should be getting rewarded for that.
[54:35.960 -> 54:39.320] A lot more with the pay packet, a lot more with growth.
[54:39.320 -> 54:41.960] You should be seeing your business grow,
[54:41.960 -> 54:43.400] not of somebody else's business grow,
[54:43.400 -> 54:45.120] not getting rewarded for that.
[54:45.120 -> 54:47.560] I went quiet for a few weeks, next minute, bam,
[54:47.560 -> 54:50.680] this is my logo, this is my website, bam, bam, bam.
[54:50.680 -> 54:52.200] Six months later, down the line,
[54:52.200 -> 54:53.480] it's going stronger than ever.
[54:53.480 -> 54:55.080] It's going stronger than ever.
[54:55.080 -> 54:58.040] Don't wait till tomorrow, get it done now.
[54:58.040 -> 54:59.960] I've seen enough and I listened enough
[55:00.840 -> 55:03.480] to know that anything can happen.
[55:03.480 -> 55:05.240] You might be fucking playing sailing
[55:05.240 -> 55:06.800] and you might be comfortable with that,
[55:06.800 -> 55:09.000] but just be prepared for that at the end of the day.
[55:09.000 -> 55:10.080] Have a plan B,
[55:10.080 -> 55:12.600] because a lot of people don't at this day and age.
[55:12.600 -> 55:13.760] Josh, on the podcast,
[55:13.760 -> 55:18.280] we ask a quick fire round of quick fire questions for you.
[55:18.280 -> 55:19.320] The first one is,
[55:19.320 -> 55:22.160] what are the three non-negotiable behaviors
[55:22.160 -> 55:25.800] that you and the people around you have to buy into?
[55:25.800 -> 55:36.600] Okay, honesty, I think loyalty and I think they've got to be driven.
[55:36.600 -> 55:38.600] They've got to be driven, they've got to hunger.
[55:38.600 -> 55:42.200] What advice would you give to a teenage Josh just starting out?
[55:42.200 -> 55:45.400] It'll all be worth it. Just that.
[55:45.400 -> 55:48.960] If I could go back now and see myself coming home from gym
[55:48.960 -> 55:51.000] or from work or whatever, with a black eye or whatever,
[55:51.000 -> 55:54.640] tired, thinking blah, blah, I'll be worth it, pal.
[55:54.640 -> 55:57.040] How did you react to your greatest failure?
[55:58.600 -> 56:00.080] Let's do better.
[56:00.080 -> 56:01.080] Let's do better.
[56:02.160 -> 56:06.000] Obviously, not failed as such in the ring,
[56:06.000 -> 56:10.000] but any times I think I could have done better,
[56:10.000 -> 56:13.000] it's just get onto it straight away.
[56:13.000 -> 56:16.000] I think the longer that you let it dwell,
[56:16.000 -> 56:18.000] and I'm being quick-fired here,
[56:18.000 -> 56:22.000] but the longer that you let it dwell and just let it fester in corner,
[56:22.000 -> 56:24.000] that'll just do something about it straight away.
[56:24.000 -> 56:26.800] And as soon as you start doing something about it,
[56:26.800 -> 56:28.320] you'll feel bad instantly.
[56:28.320 -> 56:29.160] Are you happy?
[56:29.160 -> 56:30.280] Yes.
[56:30.280 -> 56:31.720] Yes, very happy.
[56:31.720 -> 56:34.040] When the British title, I said I could die a happy man,
[56:34.040 -> 56:35.120] but then you want more,
[56:35.120 -> 56:37.720] hunger goes on, European, world,
[56:37.720 -> 56:39.760] walked in after winning world title,
[56:39.760 -> 56:41.200] put that down.
[56:41.200 -> 56:44.000] I used to have the mindset of wanting to just,
[56:44.000 -> 56:47.000] I'd do whatever it takes to win, to die in the ring.
[56:47.000 -> 56:57.000] If the song to my arm gets raised, obviously my mindset still is hungry, but I've got a family now and I want to see my girls and their lives.
[56:57.000 -> 57:00.000] But yeah, I'm happy where I am.
[57:00.000 -> 57:03.000] I'm at the very pinnacle of my sport.
[57:03.000 -> 57:05.440] I mean, Buddy Ojeke, I used to listen to you
[57:05.440 -> 57:08.760] on do interviews on BBC Radio One.
[57:08.760 -> 57:10.460] When I'd been running that morning,
[57:10.460 -> 57:12.560] I'd have got two buses to work
[57:12.560 -> 57:14.120] and like fucking news beat comes on
[57:14.120 -> 57:16.440] and Jay Comfort is doing F1 bullet.
[57:16.440 -> 57:17.280] Now I'm talking to you.
[57:17.280 -> 57:18.100] Do you know what I mean?
[57:18.100 -> 57:20.280] And then a podcast you've got me on as a guest.
[57:20.280 -> 57:23.040] This is, this stuff is all pinching myself
[57:23.040 -> 57:24.800] and that's not me being humble.
[57:24.800 -> 57:28.400] That's just being appreciative of what I have right here.
[57:28.400 -> 57:30.280] So I'm out there.
[57:30.280 -> 57:32.480] How important is legacy to you?
[57:32.480 -> 57:35.600] As it goes on, the more people I speak,
[57:35.600 -> 57:38.960] the more people I reach, massive, massive.
[57:38.960 -> 57:41.560] I'm honest and I'll continue to see it.
[57:41.560 -> 57:43.240] Messages on social media,
[57:43.240 -> 57:46.000] people I meet at press conferences, meet and greets.
[57:47.400 -> 57:50.640] It's funny that you put in this position
[57:50.640 -> 57:53.440] and all of a sudden you're not a human being,
[57:53.440 -> 57:54.600] you're a robot.
[57:54.600 -> 57:57.560] And I think while people are paying their added money
[57:57.560 -> 58:00.240] to see you and they're reading about you, blah, blah, blah,
[58:00.240 -> 58:03.360] you've got a position to influence other people.
[58:03.360 -> 58:04.740] And sometimes you don't realize,
[58:04.740 -> 58:06.680] but every little action you have has a position to influence other people. And sometimes you don't realize, but every little action you have
[58:06.680 -> 58:08.560] has a reaction to other people.
[58:08.560 -> 58:11.160] And I've had people come up to me,
[58:11.160 -> 58:14.760] I'd say this or I've replied to them
[58:14.760 -> 58:16.160] a message on social media.
[58:16.160 -> 58:17.360] They've been going through that place,
[58:17.360 -> 58:19.920] have contemplated taking their life
[58:19.920 -> 58:23.440] and they've just, it's rebuilt their energy
[58:23.440 -> 58:25.560] or it's given them a different outlook on life. I've had people say, you know, I've gone off the fucking rails, but I've just, it's rebuilt their energy or it's given me a different outlook on life.
[58:25.560 -> 58:27.720] I've people say, you know, I've gone off of fucking rails
[58:27.720 -> 58:29.400] but I've just signed up to forces.
[58:29.400 -> 58:32.680] You know, some people just need that bit of advice.
[58:32.680 -> 58:34.960] Like I had my advice back off one of my pals
[58:34.960 -> 58:37.000] when I was 21.
[58:37.000 -> 58:39.680] Sometimes even certain things can just trigger something
[58:39.680 -> 58:41.480] upstairs in the gray matter.
[58:41.480 -> 58:44.240] So I'm willing to spend that time
[58:44.240 -> 58:48.240] and use my position as good
[58:48.240 -> 58:50.160] and that all comes from a legacy.
[58:50.160 -> 58:52.760] You know, me and my old fella did a bit of a talk
[58:52.760 -> 58:54.080] earlier in the year.
[58:54.080 -> 58:55.440] We fucking raised a few thousand pounds
[58:55.440 -> 58:57.320] for a children's hospital.
[58:57.320 -> 58:58.760] We just had a laugh in a pub.
[58:58.760 -> 59:02.400] Fuck me, and we've raised a few grand for a charity.
[59:02.400 -> 59:03.240] You know what I mean?
[59:03.240 -> 59:10.600] If you can do that with a life. I've had fights and it's become a folk tale.
[59:10.600 -> 59:13.900] Those were there at Ellen Rose, those went to Berlin, those were at the Carl Frampton
[59:13.900 -> 59:21.060] fight. Do you remember being at that Joshua Renton fight? I'm putting my bit of life and
[59:21.060 -> 59:31.840] energy into other people's life and they're making memories from that so you know it all comes down to legacy. And finally your one golden rule to live
[59:31.840 -> 59:35.680] a high performance life. Big questions these Jake, they're not.
[59:38.080 -> 59:44.160] I think you have to adapt. I could say consistency but sometimes consistency
[59:48.920 -> 59:51.160] I could say consistency, but sometimes consistency in the wrong field, you'll never get to the destination where you want to.
[59:51.160 -> 59:53.480] So there is going to be times when you have to adapt.
[59:53.480 -> 01:00:02.040] And it's funny, I've just been listening to an audio book, The Legacy, James Carr, and
[01:00:02.040 -> 01:00:06.200] he talks about the all blacks, you know, when you're on top of your game,
[01:00:06.200 -> 01:00:08.360] change your game, adaptation, I'd probably say,
[01:00:08.360 -> 01:00:09.720] for my performance life.
[01:00:09.720 -> 01:00:10.560] I really like that.
[01:00:10.560 -> 01:00:13.080] Listen, thank you so much for your time, for your honesty.
[01:00:13.080 -> 01:00:15.040] I think that, you know, we've done a lot of episodes
[01:00:15.040 -> 01:00:17.320] of this podcast now, and the things that we draw out
[01:00:17.320 -> 01:00:18.400] from our conversation with you,
[01:00:18.400 -> 01:00:22.800] which is taking responsibility, dealing with setbacks,
[01:00:22.800 -> 01:00:27.300] emotional control, believing in yourself, all of those things
[01:00:27.300 -> 01:00:30.020] are conversations that repeat themselves
[01:00:30.020 -> 01:00:33.260] time and time again on this high performance podcast
[01:00:33.260 -> 01:00:37.620] and you are the absolute epitome of what you can achieve
[01:00:37.620 -> 01:00:38.860] if you take control of your life
[01:00:38.860 -> 01:00:42.000] and it's amazing to sit here and discuss it with you
[01:00:42.000 -> 01:00:43.300] and reflect with you and I think,
[01:00:43.300 -> 01:00:44.920] you know, I speak for both Damien and myself
[01:00:44.920 -> 01:00:47.760] when I say that it's clear this story is far from over
[01:00:47.760 -> 01:00:49.580] and we look forward to seeing what the future holds for you.
[01:00:49.580 -> 01:00:50.500] Appreciate that, Jake.
[01:00:50.500 -> 01:00:51.340] Top one.
[01:00:53.580 -> 01:00:55.880] Damien, Jake, I think we talk a lot
[01:00:55.880 -> 01:00:58.040] about responsibility on this podcast.
[01:00:58.040 -> 01:01:01.200] One of my eternal frustrations are people who are waiting
[01:01:01.200 -> 01:01:03.140] for the right moment in their life
[01:01:03.140 -> 01:01:05.120] to live the life they want.
[01:01:05.120 -> 01:01:06.600] And you have that conversation with Josh,
[01:01:06.600 -> 01:01:09.520] and it is all about someone who is just creating
[01:01:09.520 -> 01:01:12.920] the life he wants today, right now, no waiting.
[01:01:12.920 -> 01:01:13.840] Yeah, absolutely.
[01:01:13.840 -> 01:01:16.320] I think, you know, that theme that came out
[01:01:16.320 -> 01:01:18.520] of his conversation there was about time
[01:01:18.520 -> 01:01:19.960] and the finite nature of time,
[01:01:19.960 -> 01:01:22.080] and therefore, how do you fill it
[01:01:22.080 -> 01:01:26.020] with the most productive behaviors that you can?
[01:01:26.020 -> 01:01:28.220] So we were speaking to him there
[01:01:28.220 -> 01:01:29.700] just as we've wrapped up about the fact
[01:01:29.700 -> 01:01:32.740] that he sits there and thinks a fight is 36 minutes long,
[01:01:32.740 -> 01:01:35.420] then how can he fill each of those 36 minutes
[01:01:35.420 -> 01:01:39.460] with the most productive, destructive behavior
[01:01:39.460 -> 01:01:41.540] that he can inflict on his opponent?
[01:01:41.540 -> 01:01:43.660] But I think that's a metaphor for life.
[01:01:43.660 -> 01:01:45.800] How do you fill each minute
[01:01:45.800 -> 01:01:48.280] with the best version of you?
[01:01:48.280 -> 01:01:50.420] And it may well be that you fill it with the best version
[01:01:50.420 -> 01:01:52.820] of you in the end, but along the way,
[01:01:52.820 -> 01:01:56.200] you fill it with a failing, struggling, stumbling,
[01:01:56.200 -> 01:01:58.340] learning version, and that's what he talks about as well.
[01:01:58.340 -> 01:02:01.200] I think people that are listening to this thinking,
[01:02:01.200 -> 01:02:03.420] I'm just too scared to do what I really want to do,
[01:02:03.420 -> 01:02:06.560] he is a prime example of someone who has basically
[01:02:06.560 -> 01:02:10.760] conquered the world and become a world champion by failing.
[01:02:10.760 -> 01:02:13.720] Very much, you know, think about his story there about,
[01:02:13.720 -> 01:02:15.600] you know, this is a kid from a council estate
[01:02:15.600 -> 01:02:17.200] that's made a decision.
[01:02:17.200 -> 01:02:18.960] How do I differentiate myself?
[01:02:18.960 -> 01:02:21.240] How do I break this cycle of a life
[01:02:21.240 -> 01:02:22.880] that I don't want to lead?
[01:02:22.880 -> 01:02:26.480] And he's gone in and he's gone into boxing
[01:02:26.480 -> 01:02:28.960] that is a brutal sport to make mistakes in.
[01:02:28.960 -> 01:02:31.040] And yet he's taken those blows,
[01:02:31.040 -> 01:02:34.200] he's taken those black eyes, those lessons in the gym.
[01:02:34.200 -> 01:02:36.600] And rather than then seek to blame somebody else
[01:02:36.600 -> 01:02:38.480] or say that he's not good enough,
[01:02:38.480 -> 01:02:40.320] that question he was asking himself
[01:02:40.320 -> 01:02:41.960] of how do I get better tomorrow?
[01:02:41.960 -> 01:02:43.560] How do I learn from that?
[01:02:43.560 -> 01:02:45.560] It's such a powerful, powerful message
[01:02:45.560 -> 01:02:47.320] for anybody listening to this.
[01:02:47.320 -> 01:02:49.320] Failure is part of the process.
[01:02:49.320 -> 01:02:50.920] It's not the outcome.
[01:02:50.920 -> 01:02:52.640] I'm sure the estate where he grew up
[01:02:52.640 -> 01:02:55.040] is full of pride for what he's achieved.
[01:02:55.040 -> 01:02:55.880] Yeah, definitely.
[01:02:55.880 -> 01:02:58.200] You know, he's a guy that, like he said,
[01:02:58.200 -> 01:03:00.600] 25,000 people turning up at Ellen Road
[01:03:00.600 -> 01:03:02.880] don't come because they're necessarily
[01:03:02.880 -> 01:03:04.200] boxing aficionados.
[01:03:04.200 -> 01:03:06.640] They come because they're seeing a kid
[01:03:06.640 -> 01:03:08.560] that embodies the very best
[01:03:08.560 -> 01:03:10.680] of what we would all aspire to be.
[01:03:10.680 -> 01:03:14.240] ♪♪
[01:03:14.240 -> 01:03:15.960] Jake, how are you?
[01:03:15.960 -> 01:03:18.160] I'm really well, mate, really well, thanks very much.
[01:03:18.160 -> 01:03:19.520] Do you know what's been interesting this week
[01:03:19.520 -> 01:03:21.480] is the number of people, and I guess,
[01:03:21.480 -> 01:03:24.040] having had a few weeks off, it was always gonna happen,
[01:03:24.040 -> 01:03:28.360] people saying, I've just discovered this podcast for the first time and I can't believe what I'm
[01:03:28.360 -> 01:03:29.360] listening to.
[01:03:29.360 -> 01:03:34.600] I know it's a real delight that there's people coming to this for the first time and I think
[01:03:34.600 -> 01:03:38.600] it's like you know when you discover an offer and then you realize they've got a back catalogue
[01:03:38.600 -> 01:03:42.720] that you think oh great I've got all these that I can go and explore and hopefully our
[01:03:42.720 -> 01:03:46.760] new members of our community have been able to go back
[01:03:46.760 -> 01:03:49.960] over the first three series and discover a real treasure chest
[01:03:49.960 -> 01:03:53.960] of insights and ideas from some incredible high performers.
[01:03:53.960 -> 01:03:55.760] I think it's also important to remind you all
[01:03:55.760 -> 01:03:58.160] that you can actually watch the interviews as well.
[01:03:58.160 -> 01:03:59.320] We've got a YouTube channel,
[01:03:59.320 -> 01:04:01.760] just search High Performance Podcast on YouTube.
[01:04:01.760 -> 01:04:03.280] I like going on there myself, Damian,
[01:04:03.280 -> 01:04:04.840] because I've obviously listened
[01:04:04.840 -> 01:04:05.880] to quite a few of the episodes,
[01:04:05.880 -> 01:04:08.120] but when I go and watch the conversations
[01:04:08.120 -> 01:04:10.360] that are being had, it's sort of,
[01:04:10.360 -> 01:04:11.920] you sort of see the passion even more
[01:04:11.920 -> 01:04:13.280] from the guests, don't you?
[01:04:13.280 -> 01:04:14.240] Yeah, definitely.
[01:04:14.240 -> 01:04:15.920] I think, you know, that old saying
[01:04:15.920 -> 01:04:17.720] that the eyes are the windows to the soul.
[01:04:17.720 -> 01:04:20.880] And I think when you can see their eyes light up
[01:04:20.880 -> 01:04:24.800] at certain moments when they're replaying their successes
[01:04:24.800 -> 01:04:28.600] or equally their passion to put things right when things have gone wrong and
[01:04:28.600 -> 01:04:32.560] just how open they've been. It's just been incredibly humbling to be in the
[01:04:32.560 -> 01:04:36.200] presence of. It's been great hasn't it? Let's go to a few comments this week. A
[01:04:36.200 -> 01:04:39.560] quick reminder if you can rate and review the podcast if you like what you
[01:04:39.560 -> 01:04:44.520] hear it isn't just an ego thing it actually genuinely helps the podcast to
[01:04:44.520 -> 01:04:45.720] reach more people, to
[01:04:45.720 -> 01:04:46.960] grow, to be more successful.
[01:04:46.960 -> 01:04:50.480] So please, please, please, if you can, rate and review the pod.
[01:04:50.480 -> 01:04:57.000] There's a nice one here, Damien, from StandbyG21, who got in touch on Apple Podcasts and simply
[01:04:57.000 -> 01:04:58.920] titled this Game Changer.
[01:04:58.920 -> 01:05:02.280] And they said, I picked this up by chance, but I've absolutely loved it.
[01:05:02.280 -> 01:05:05.920] The depth of answers you get from these people is incredible, especially
[01:05:05.920 -> 01:05:08.700] in a world where people in the public eye are reluctant to be
[01:05:08.700 -> 01:05:12.120] honest. Listening to this has allowed me to change my mindset
[01:05:12.160 -> 01:05:15.120] and focus on successful outcomes in business and at home,
[01:05:15.400 -> 01:05:18.840] compartmentalizing what I need to do to achieve my maximum
[01:05:18.840 -> 01:05:21.960] potential and success. I love them. I can't wait to listen to
[01:05:21.960 -> 01:05:26.680] more guests. We're getting lots of comments like that. What, from your perspective though, Damien,
[01:05:26.680 -> 01:05:28.880] when we sort of first, when I first called you up and said,
[01:05:28.880 -> 01:05:30.120] look, I want to do a podcast
[01:05:30.120 -> 01:05:33.160] and I want it to be about high achieving individuals,
[01:05:33.160 -> 01:05:35.400] what did you want people to get out of this?
[01:05:35.400 -> 01:05:36.760] What was it about for you?
[01:05:37.720 -> 01:05:40.600] I think it was that idea that high performance,
[01:05:40.600 -> 01:05:41.920] there's no secret to it.
[01:05:41.920 -> 01:05:44.040] I think that's a phrase that you used
[01:05:44.040 -> 01:05:46.000] in our initialaf, Jake.
[01:05:46.000 -> 01:05:51.000] Nid yw'n ymddangos. Mae'n ymwneud â gwaith anodd, mae'n ymwneud â gael ymddygiad, mae'n ymwneud â'r cyfrifiad,
[01:05:51.000 -> 01:05:56.000] mae'n ymwneud â'r cyfrifiad, ymddygiad, y bydd yn ddym, dysgu o'i gyd.
[01:05:56.000 -> 01:06:00.000] Ac rwy'n credu, rwyf wedi bod yn ddigon llwyr i weld hynny yn y chweilau cyfnodol, fel y gwnaethoch chi.
[01:06:00.000 -> 01:06:05.000] Ac rwy'n credu, i rannu i bobl, y bobl sy'n cyfrannu cyflogau cyhoeddiol
[01:06:05.000 -> 01:06:06.160] yn wahanol o'n i.
[01:06:06.160 -> 01:06:08.320] Nid ydynt yn deall y cwis,
[01:06:08.320 -> 01:06:10.120] na'n ni.
[01:06:10.120 -> 01:06:12.720] Mae'n ymwneud â'r ffynonellau
[01:06:12.720 -> 01:06:14.560] sy'n gallu cael eu hyfforddi a'u gweithredu
[01:06:14.560 -> 01:06:16.240] i unrhyw un sy'n gallu eu cymryd
[01:06:16.240 -> 01:06:17.160] yn eu bywydau eu hunain,
[01:06:17.160 -> 01:06:18.880] ar eu nifer eu hunain.
[01:06:18.880 -> 01:06:21.600] A dwi'n credu ein bod ni'n cael ychydig o ddiddordeb.
[01:06:21.600 -> 01:06:23.400] Dwi'n credu bod ddiddordeb yn gwneud i ni meddwl
[01:06:23.400 -> 01:06:25.120] os ydym wedi profi hynny, ydym eitha'n y peth gwaed, neu ddim yn dda enough, neu ddim arnaf i ni. we get tricked by failure. I think that failure makes us think that if we've experienced it,
[01:06:25.120 -> 01:06:28.640] we're either on the wrong path or we're not good enough or it's not for us.
[01:06:29.200 -> 01:06:34.080] The thing that has stood out to me from what the 30 plus odd episodes that we've done
[01:06:34.800 -> 01:06:39.360] is that failure is obviously there for all of our guests, but the key thing for them is their
[01:06:39.360 -> 01:06:44.800] relationship with that failure, the desire to seek it, the acceptance that it's going to be around.
[01:06:44.800 -> 01:06:47.440] And I think that that is such an important message
[01:06:47.440 -> 01:06:48.520] for people to hear.
[01:06:48.520 -> 01:06:49.340] Definitely.
[01:06:49.340 -> 01:06:51.880] I was talking to somebody recently about this very point
[01:06:51.880 -> 01:06:54.600] where I said to them, if you want to be good at something,
[01:06:54.600 -> 01:06:58.000] it depends on how long you're prepared to be shit at it for.
[01:06:58.000 -> 01:07:00.720] Because there will be a period where you go through it,
[01:07:00.720 -> 01:07:03.960] where you're failing, you're falling, you're making mistakes
[01:07:03.960 -> 01:07:07.120] but you have to persevere at that level
[01:07:07.120 -> 01:07:08.220] and keep learning from it
[01:07:08.220 -> 01:07:10.200] before you can reach that level of knowledge.
[01:07:10.200 -> 01:07:12.760] And I think that's what all our guests are telling us about,
[01:07:12.760 -> 01:07:15.320] that they didn't start out at a high level.
[01:07:15.320 -> 01:07:17.720] They persevered through that valley of humility
[01:07:17.720 -> 01:07:21.080] where they were making mistakes and they were poor at it.
[01:07:21.080 -> 01:07:23.140] And of course, failure is only useful
[01:07:23.140 -> 01:07:24.320] if we learn from the failure.
[01:07:24.320 -> 01:07:28.560] I remember Matthew McConaughey on this podcast when he talked about his mum going, mom if I keep running around the
[01:07:28.560 -> 01:07:33.920] track and I keep stepping in shit every single time I'm not learning from my mistakes. And we've
[01:07:33.920 -> 01:07:38.320] had a few nice messages about that actually this week with people sort of picking up on what Kasper
[01:07:38.320 -> 01:07:45.920] spoke about, Kasper Schmeichel on last week's episode. Andy, CR1878 said, a great high-performance podcast
[01:07:45.920 -> 01:07:48.080] to start season four with Kasper,
[01:07:48.080 -> 01:07:50.480] dealing with millimeters of failure every day.
[01:07:50.480 -> 01:07:53.900] He then says, I still think Kasper is 20, not 34.
[01:07:53.900 -> 01:07:55.820] It was a great listen.
[01:07:55.820 -> 01:07:57.840] And another one here is saying,
[01:07:57.840 -> 01:07:58.800] Kasper was brilliant,
[01:07:58.800 -> 01:08:01.000] always operating within millimeters of failure,
[01:08:01.000 -> 01:08:03.000] then has to rapidly reset.
[01:08:03.000 -> 01:08:07.760] I also love the challenge of his dad to verbalize winning the Premier League at his old school.
[01:08:07.760 -> 01:08:08.840] A great start.
[01:08:08.840 -> 01:08:10.960] I look forward to the ones that are to follow.
[01:08:10.960 -> 01:08:12.800] The key bit for me there is operating
[01:08:12.800 -> 01:08:16.120] within millimeters of failure, then rapidly resetting.
[01:08:16.120 -> 01:08:18.400] It's about the reaction to the failure,
[01:08:18.400 -> 01:08:20.360] not just accepting the failure.
[01:08:20.360 -> 01:08:23.040] Yeah, there's always that gap between the event
[01:08:23.040 -> 01:08:24.240] and your response to it.
[01:08:24.240 -> 01:08:27.160] And it's that gap that defines
[01:08:27.160 -> 01:08:28.840] how you're gonna deal with this,
[01:08:28.840 -> 01:08:30.740] whether high performance is coming your way
[01:08:30.740 -> 01:08:32.640] or whether you're stuck where you are.
[01:08:32.640 -> 01:08:35.920] And it's how we reset, how we reframe it
[01:08:35.920 -> 01:08:38.080] and how we reflect on it.
[01:08:38.080 -> 01:08:40.320] That all happens in that pause,
[01:08:40.320 -> 01:08:44.440] that brief gap between the event and our response.
[01:08:44.440 -> 01:08:46.160] Thanks to the lovely comment as well saying,
[01:08:46.160 -> 01:08:48.640] guys, I love your podcast, some serious gems in there,
[01:08:48.640 -> 01:08:51.200] but I really found Caspar's interview beneficial.
[01:08:51.200 -> 01:08:54.640] What a mindset, it seems like a genuine down to earth guy.
[01:08:54.640 -> 01:08:55.600] And I like this one as well,
[01:08:55.600 -> 01:08:57.120] and I hadn't really thought about this, Damian.
[01:08:57.120 -> 01:08:59.160] This is from Dean on Instagram.
[01:08:59.160 -> 01:09:00.800] He said, I really believe what Caspar has done
[01:09:00.800 -> 01:09:02.400] is somewhat more impressive than others
[01:09:02.400 -> 01:09:04.840] because he's never needed to do what he's done.
[01:09:04.840 -> 01:09:07.240] Everyone in their own right has an incredible story,
[01:09:07.240 -> 01:09:08.440] but to be that motivated
[01:09:08.440 -> 01:09:10.040] when he actually didn't need to be,
[01:09:10.040 -> 01:09:11.960] obviously referring to his dad's success there
[01:09:11.960 -> 01:09:15.280] and the fact that I guess Caspar would be financially okay
[01:09:15.280 -> 01:09:16.760] even if he didn't play football.
[01:09:16.760 -> 01:09:19.400] He says he was always gonna be compared to his dad,
[01:09:19.400 -> 01:09:21.560] and then this is the bit I hadn't really picked up on.
[01:09:21.560 -> 01:09:23.100] He was always gonna be compared to his dad,
[01:09:23.100 -> 01:09:24.680] similar to Eddie Hearn.
[01:09:24.680 -> 01:09:26.880] I find these guys so inspiring. And I hadn't really picked up on. He was always gonna be compared to his dad, similar to Eddie Hearn. I find these guys so inspiring.
[01:09:26.880 -> 01:09:29.780] And I hadn't really made that link really
[01:09:29.780 -> 01:09:30.760] between Eddie and Casper,
[01:09:30.760 -> 01:09:32.240] but when Dean picks up on that,
[01:09:32.240 -> 01:09:33.520] he's absolutely right, isn't he?
[01:09:33.520 -> 01:09:37.160] These are people that still went for it wholeheartedly,
[01:09:37.160 -> 01:09:38.880] full of passion and belief,
[01:09:38.880 -> 01:09:41.320] despite the great opportunities
[01:09:41.320 -> 01:09:43.000] they were already given in life.
[01:09:43.000 -> 01:09:44.240] Yeah, and you're right.
[01:09:44.240 -> 01:09:46.520] I hadn't sort of made that connection either
[01:09:46.520 -> 01:09:47.520] until you've just said it,
[01:09:47.520 -> 01:09:49.400] but I think what's really interesting
[01:09:49.400 -> 01:09:51.680] is both Caspar and Dede spoke about,
[01:09:51.680 -> 01:09:54.160] they'd seen the struggles, the sacrifice,
[01:09:54.160 -> 01:09:56.160] and the hard work that went on in the shadows.
[01:09:56.160 -> 01:09:58.080] And that was the bit they were in love with.
[01:09:58.080 -> 01:09:59.720] That's what ignited their passion.
[01:09:59.720 -> 01:10:03.880] It wasn't about being rich or playing on the grandest stages.
[01:10:03.880 -> 01:10:05.140] That was the outcome from it,
[01:10:05.140 -> 01:10:06.900] but they actually loved the hard work
[01:10:06.900 -> 01:10:08.780] and the commitment to get there.
[01:10:08.780 -> 01:10:10.280] And that's what they fell in love with.
[01:10:10.280 -> 01:10:12.580] And I think that's a really important message
[01:10:12.580 -> 01:10:14.680] for anyone listening to this to understand.
[01:10:14.680 -> 01:10:18.820] Don't just fall in love with the trappings of success
[01:10:18.820 -> 01:10:20.020] or high performance.
[01:10:20.020 -> 01:10:21.780] It's the journey to get there
[01:10:21.780 -> 01:10:25.680] that is the route that's gonna sustain you.
[01:10:25.680 -> 01:10:28.160] Falling in love at that stage is key.
[01:10:28.160 -> 01:10:31.240] And I can't say this often enough, take responsibility.
[01:10:31.240 -> 01:10:32.560] You know, be really honest with yourself
[01:10:32.560 -> 01:10:34.040] and take a look and go, right,
[01:10:34.040 -> 01:10:36.000] the reason I'm not where I want to be,
[01:10:36.000 -> 01:10:37.640] is it because of circumstance
[01:10:37.640 -> 01:10:39.280] or is it because of application?
[01:10:39.280 -> 01:10:41.600] And I think both of those guys, Eddie and Casper,
[01:10:41.600 -> 01:10:43.840] are the kind of, they're the total flip reverse
[01:10:43.840 -> 01:10:48.400] of someone who's blaming opportunity or circumstances
[01:10:48.400 -> 01:10:49.920] they're brought up in a negative way.
[01:10:49.920 -> 01:10:51.360] They could have done it in a positive way.
[01:10:51.360 -> 01:10:52.880] They could have said, well, what's the point, man?
[01:10:52.880 -> 01:10:54.640] I know I'm gonna be financially sound,
[01:10:54.640 -> 01:10:56.120] but they didn't do that.
[01:10:56.120 -> 01:10:57.680] Yeah, they started with a passion.
[01:10:57.680 -> 01:11:00.120] They identified what they wanted to do.
[01:11:00.120 -> 01:11:02.920] And then, as you say, they took complete responsibility
[01:11:02.920 -> 01:11:07.840] for how they were gonna commit to a goal or a task.
[01:11:08.560 -> 01:11:10.320] Listen, it's always lovely to sit and chat, Damian.
[01:11:10.320 -> 01:11:12.280] I could go through these comments from people for hours.
[01:11:12.280 -> 01:11:13.680] Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you
[01:11:13.680 -> 01:11:14.560] to everyone at home.
[01:11:14.560 -> 01:11:15.600] We have-
[01:11:15.600 -> 01:11:16.440] Absolutely.
[01:11:16.440 -> 01:11:18.440] We've certainly hit the ground running
[01:11:18.440 -> 01:11:20.680] for series four with a big impact.
[01:11:20.680 -> 01:11:23.080] Hundreds of thousands of downloads and listens
[01:11:23.080 -> 01:11:27.520] and views already across our social media, across the podcast, so thank you all very much for
[01:11:27.520 -> 01:11:32.000] that, especially if you're new to the High Performance Podcast. Getting new
[01:11:32.000 -> 01:11:35.360] people coming on to this is really brilliant for us and we really love it
[01:11:35.360 -> 01:11:39.040] when you share what you're learning and what you're hearing, so please if you
[01:11:39.040 -> 01:11:43.080] have been inspired, yeah great, rate, review it, check us out on Instagram, on
[01:11:43.080 -> 01:11:47.020] YouTube, but please if you can, share it with other people,
[01:11:47.020 -> 01:11:48.100] because I can promise you,
[01:11:48.100 -> 01:11:51.540] there is someone out there right now feeling negative,
[01:11:51.540 -> 01:11:52.760] feeling like they're struggling,
[01:11:52.760 -> 01:11:54.460] feeling like they want some inspiration,
[01:11:54.460 -> 01:11:55.660] and they don't know where to turn,
[01:11:55.660 -> 01:11:58.820] and perhaps you sharing this podcast with them
[01:11:58.820 -> 01:12:00.580] or on your socials or wherever
[01:12:00.580 -> 01:12:02.940] might just make the difference in their lives.
[01:12:02.940 -> 01:12:04.940] Huge thanks as always to Hannah and Will
[01:12:04.940 -> 01:12:06.120] for all of their hard work.
[01:12:06.120 -> 01:12:08.700] Of course, the wind beneath my wings, Damian Hughes,
[01:12:08.700 -> 01:12:10.680] we couldn't do this without the professor.
[01:12:10.680 -> 01:12:12.720] And also big thanks as well to Tom Griffin
[01:12:12.720 -> 01:12:15.760] from Rethink Audio for his hard work creating the pod.
[01:12:15.760 -> 01:12:17.640] And I should also say a massive thanks
[01:12:17.640 -> 01:12:18.800] to Josh Warrington as well,
[01:12:18.800 -> 01:12:21.680] and we wish him all the best in his upcoming fight.
[01:12:21.680 -> 01:12:22.840] And I'll tell you what, before we go,
[01:12:22.840 -> 01:12:24.800] I'll just give you a little sneaky treat
[01:12:24.800 -> 01:12:27.880] because next week's guest is someone who's very much
[01:12:27.880 -> 01:12:30.800] in the public eye and being spoken about at the moment,
[01:12:30.800 -> 01:12:33.280] the England rugby manager, Eddie Jones.
[01:12:33.280 -> 01:12:36.520] Here's a sneaky listen to what you can expect next week.
[01:12:36.520 -> 01:12:38.520] On occasion, perfect game.
[01:12:38.520 -> 01:12:40.360] Imagine going out there and you're impossible
[01:12:40.360 -> 01:12:41.720] to play against, impossible.
[01:12:41.720 -> 01:12:44.200] When you've got the ball, they can't get it off you.
[01:12:44.200 -> 01:12:47.280] When they've got the ball, they've got so much pressure,
[01:12:47.280 -> 01:12:50.360] they're giving it back to you and that's unrelenting.
[01:12:50.360 -> 01:12:52.240] That'd be fascinating.
[01:12:52.240 -> 01:12:53.480] I can't wait for that.
[01:12:53.480 -> 01:12:55.160] He is a high performance individual
[01:12:55.160 -> 01:12:57.280] and so are you for listening to this podcast.
[01:12:57.280 -> 01:13:00.120] So have a brilliant next few days, go out into the world,
[01:13:00.120 -> 01:13:02.400] spread the word, spread positivity
[01:13:02.400 -> 01:13:06.640] and enjoy the feeling of living a high performance life. See ya!
[01:13:23.690 -> 01:13:25.330] Bye!