E31 - Kelly Jones: Not being controlled by fear

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[00:41.320 -> 00:49.920] I was very very ambitious and driven at that point and and whoever didn't want to jump on board really that was that was it. So there's so much awaiting
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[04:01.960 -> 04:06.520] Hi there, I'm Jay Comfrey and you're listening to High Performance, the podcast that delves
[04:06.520 -> 04:11.180] into the minds of some of the most successful athletes, visionaries, entrepreneurs and artists
[04:11.180 -> 04:15.680] on the planet and aims to unlock the very secrets to their success. As always, Damien
[04:15.680 -> 04:19.400] Hughes is alongside me. And Damien, we've always been clear with people that this is
[04:19.400 -> 04:24.760] not a sports podcast. This is a podcast about life and people in all walks of life still
[04:24.760 -> 04:27.000] need a high performance mindset to succeed.
[04:27.000 -> 04:29.000] And I think we're going to hear a lot about that today.
[04:29.000 -> 04:30.000] Very much.
[04:29.000 -> 04:30.000] Jake.
[04:29.000 -> 04:38.000] I think what we're, what we're in the business of is talking about people regardless of the industry that they're in and looking to strive for high performance.
[04:38.000 -> 04:45.120] And the thing I'm really fascinated about today's guest is, is the role of vulnerability in high performance,
[04:45.120 -> 04:47.400] willing to put yourself out there on the edge
[04:47.400 -> 04:48.440] and to be judged.
[04:48.440 -> 04:49.680] And I think that's going to be
[04:49.680 -> 04:51.320] a really fascinating topic today.
[04:51.320 -> 04:52.160] Right, let's do it then.
[04:52.160 -> 04:54.360] Let's understand a bit more about a man
[04:54.360 -> 04:56.560] who is the epitome of a family saying
[04:56.560 -> 04:58.440] that my parents instilled in all of their kids,
[04:58.440 -> 04:59.920] which is roots and wings.
[04:59.920 -> 05:02.440] My mom and dad repeated that to us on a daily basis.
[05:02.440 -> 05:03.800] The wings were ours to fly with
[05:03.800 -> 05:05.020] and go and do amazing things,
[05:05.020 -> 05:07.840] but the roots were always there to keep us grounded.
[05:07.840 -> 05:09.820] And I get the sense that today's guest
[05:09.820 -> 05:11.540] was also given both by his parents.
[05:11.540 -> 05:13.340] His wings have allowed him to form a band
[05:13.340 -> 05:14.680] that sold millions of albums,
[05:14.680 -> 05:16.460] topped charts and toured the world.
[05:16.460 -> 05:20.040] Yet the roots mean he still seems so closely connected
[05:20.040 -> 05:22.500] to the family and friends from the small coal mining village
[05:22.500 -> 05:23.580] where he was brought up.
[05:23.580 -> 05:26.720] So what has he learned from his high performance life
[05:26.720 -> 05:29.040] of roots and wings that you can learn from?
[05:29.040 -> 05:31.280] Welcome to the podcast, Kelly Jones.
[05:31.280 -> 05:32.280] Hi, how are you?
[05:32.280 -> 05:33.640] We're well, nice to have you with us.
[05:33.640 -> 05:34.680] Thanks for having me here.
[05:34.680 -> 05:38.360] What is high performance in your mind?
[05:38.360 -> 05:40.840] I guess a lot of it comes down to discipline, really.
[05:40.840 -> 05:43.800] When I was around about nine, 10, 11,
[05:43.800 -> 05:47.320] my dad took me to a boxing club and my
[05:47.320 -> 05:51.640] uncle was a referee and they lied about my age so I could start fighting. So I
[05:51.640 -> 05:56.340] was doing like five fights a season and there was an old trainer guy called Ray
[05:56.340 -> 06:01.120] and another one called Gwilym and I can still hear those guys voices in my head
[06:01.120 -> 06:05.000] like today, which is like 35 years ago.
[06:05.000 -> 06:09.000] So there's something instilled in me, I think,
[06:09.000 -> 06:12.820] in that period of time where the kind of work you put in
[06:12.820 -> 06:15.080] equals the kind of result you get out.
[06:15.080 -> 06:16.520] So to me, I guess the high performance thing
[06:16.520 -> 06:19.280] is the graft and the discipline,
[06:19.280 -> 06:21.340] which is a kind of a weird thing to put into rock and roll
[06:21.340 -> 06:23.500] because you're meant to be not disciplined
[06:23.500 -> 06:27.160] and supposed to be very reckless. so it's an internal battle that
[06:27.160 -> 06:30.520] you have to have with yourself sometimes but yeah it comes down to it all I think
[06:30.520 -> 06:36.160] to sustain sustainability anyway. I think that's really fascinating observation
[06:36.160 -> 06:41.760] Kelly I think that I'm a real advocate of the book The War of Art I don't know
[06:41.760 -> 06:45.440] if you've heard it where the author in that talks about
[06:45.440 -> 06:47.080] amateurs wait for inspiration,
[06:47.080 -> 06:49.160] professionals just show up and do the work.
[06:49.160 -> 06:50.500] Yeah, it's the preparation, you know,
[06:50.500 -> 06:53.420] you can walk into a situation which
[06:53.420 -> 06:56.080] people can seemingly think it looks easy,
[06:56.080 -> 06:59.760] but the prep that you put into that position
[06:59.760 -> 07:02.980] is a lot, and especially I think in the last,
[07:02.980 -> 07:05.160] I would say five, six, seven years maybe,
[07:05.160 -> 07:07.160] the amount of preparation I do now before I walk out
[07:07.160 -> 07:09.760] is I would say 50 times more than what I was doing
[07:09.760 -> 07:10.840] in the 90s.
[07:10.840 -> 07:13.480] You know, the 90s I would sing an Otis Redding song
[07:13.480 -> 07:15.880] backstage, have a swig of vodka, and walk on stage,
[07:15.880 -> 07:16.720] and that was it.
[07:16.720 -> 07:17.560] And it was great.
[07:17.560 -> 07:18.920] It's a good night out.
[07:18.920 -> 07:20.680] But it was like, I was playing for 45 minutes,
[07:20.680 -> 07:22.800] 50 minutes, I had one album, and then you get two albums,
[07:22.800 -> 07:24.360] then you get 11 albums, and then you're playing
[07:24.360 -> 07:25.600] for two and a half hours a night,
[07:25.600 -> 07:27.320] and the rooms are bigger and bigger and bigger,
[07:27.320 -> 07:29.080] and you're doing six arenas in seven days.
[07:29.080 -> 07:32.320] So the recovery time is getting smaller
[07:32.320 -> 07:33.320] and smaller and smaller,
[07:33.320 -> 07:34.800] but the expectancy is getting larger
[07:34.800 -> 07:35.920] and larger and larger and larger.
[07:35.920 -> 07:38.960] So if you don't learn some tricks and preparation
[07:38.960 -> 07:43.080] and tools to maintain the ability,
[07:43.080 -> 07:45.760] then you're going to let people down and you're going
[07:45.760 -> 07:50.000] to let yourself down and all that kind of stuff. So it's about, it always comes back to discipline.
[07:50.000 -> 07:52.320] So what are your tricks that you've learned?
[07:52.320 -> 07:56.000] A bit like Clint Eastwood said in Dirty Harry, a man needs to know his limits really.
[07:56.000 -> 08:01.840] And you go through many periods in your life where you mess up and you're chasing your tail. And
[08:01.840 -> 08:06.900] I've done stuff, I've been up till five o'clock in the morning and then I had to drink water for about eight hours
[08:06.900 -> 08:08.260] leading up to a show and then gone on.
[08:08.260 -> 08:10.420] I've canceled two shows in 25 years.
[08:10.420 -> 08:12.360] So I've got a pretty good record
[08:12.360 -> 08:14.760] of being able to still deliver,
[08:14.760 -> 08:16.900] but some nights, you know, you've burned the candle
[08:16.900 -> 08:18.260] way too far on the other end
[08:18.260 -> 08:21.660] and you learn how far you can go with that the next time.
[08:21.660 -> 08:23.640] It sounds to me like the Matthew McConaughey tip,
[08:23.640 -> 08:27.080] which he gave us on this podcast of don't leave crumbs.
[08:27.080 -> 08:27.920] He said, if you leave crumbs,
[08:27.920 -> 08:29.400] you got to go back and pick them up eventually.
[08:29.400 -> 08:30.240] Well, that's it.
[08:30.240 -> 08:33.280] And there's nowhere in the world worse to be than on a stage
[08:33.280 -> 08:35.480] singing songs that people want to sing back to you.
[08:35.480 -> 08:37.960] And if you can't sing them,
[08:37.960 -> 08:39.800] so I never really wanted to be in that position.
[08:39.800 -> 08:42.000] So I've been in some really tricky ones,
[08:42.000 -> 08:44.360] but I've managed to crawl away from them.
[08:44.360 -> 08:46.160] Yeah. Can I ask you about your dad?
[08:46.160 -> 08:49.000] Because he fascinated me when I was doing the research on this.
[08:49.000 -> 08:51.900] That he grew up in the same town of Cwmbran.
[08:51.900 -> 08:52.400] Cwmbran.
[08:52.400 -> 08:57.100] And he got out, he sort of became a successful recording artist himself.
[08:57.100 -> 08:57.600] Yeah.
[08:57.600 -> 09:00.500] And then gave it up to come back and look after the family.
[09:00.500 -> 09:01.100] He did.
[09:01.100 -> 09:05.040] My dad was, when I grew up, my old man's record was on the jukebox
[09:05.040 -> 09:09.320] in the pub, which is a very strange thing really. So what emotion did that give you?
[09:09.320 -> 09:12.720] Well I was allowed in the pub at a very young age because of my old man. I was
[09:12.720 -> 09:18.360] always classed as Oscars boy, you know, so I had a free backstage pass to the
[09:18.360 -> 09:23.160] pub and a snooker room upstairs sort of thing. But my two older brothers were
[09:23.160 -> 09:26.680] always babysitting for me, so they were always playing music and stuff and they would take me around
[09:26.680 -> 09:28.340] the workman's clubs to watch my old man sing.
[09:29.020 -> 09:31.580] Um, so I'd be sitting there with my mother watching him.
[09:31.940 -> 09:35.620] So I learned a lot from, from my guests watching how you construct set lists
[09:35.620 -> 09:38.660] and how you can walk onto a, you play workman's clubs, man, there's people
[09:38.660 -> 09:40.940] with their feet up on the front of the stage reading the South Wales Echo.
[09:40.940 -> 09:43.520] They couldn't care less, you know, so you got to win them over.
[09:44.120 -> 09:45.960] Uh, so you could walk on and they don't care.
[09:45.960 -> 09:48.240] And then bit by bit, as I watched him,
[09:48.240 -> 09:50.560] he would slowly drag them in, drag them in, drag them in.
[09:50.560 -> 09:52.480] And by the end, it was a standing ovation
[09:52.480 -> 09:53.440] and everybody's on the chairs.
[09:53.440 -> 09:56.520] And I was always like, how did you do that?
[09:56.520 -> 09:59.680] It's quite an art in itself to win an audience over.
[09:59.680 -> 10:01.000] And that's through song selection,
[10:01.000 -> 10:01.840] that's through pacing,
[10:01.840 -> 10:03.760] and that's through knowing an audience.
[10:03.760 -> 10:05.960] I've always, even if you're in a house party,
[10:05.960 -> 10:07.200] if somebody puts the wrong music on,
[10:07.200 -> 10:09.480] you can kill a house party just in your kitchen.
[10:09.480 -> 10:10.900] If you don't know who's in your room
[10:10.900 -> 10:13.800] and what kind of people they are, you can soon lose them.
[10:13.800 -> 10:16.160] I think knowing people, working in those clubs,
[10:16.160 -> 10:18.280] working in a market, once you get an understanding
[10:18.280 -> 10:20.160] of human beings, I think you've got a much more
[10:20.160 -> 10:21.980] better understanding of what your songs
[10:21.980 -> 10:23.300] can mean to people as well.
[10:23.300 -> 10:25.680] So when you're on stage, and we've both just recently
[10:25.680 -> 10:27.400] watched your new documentary,
[10:27.400 -> 10:28.840] Don't Let the Devil Take Another Day.
[10:28.840 -> 10:29.680] Yeah.
[10:29.680 -> 10:31.960] There are numerous shots in that brilliant documentary,
[10:31.960 -> 10:34.680] and I'd tell anyone to go and find it and watch it.
[10:34.680 -> 10:35.920] It's so interesting.
[10:35.920 -> 10:38.080] Numerous shots of you getting standing ovations,
[10:38.080 -> 10:40.200] standing on the stage, taking a bow.
[10:40.200 -> 10:43.920] How much of when people come and watch you now performing,
[10:43.920 -> 10:46.480] are you using tricks and perhaps even inspiration
[10:46.480 -> 10:49.200] and lessons that you picked up from those early days?
[10:49.200 -> 10:51.600] A lot really, I suppose, back in the day.
[10:51.600 -> 10:55.360] But the only thing that's different is I wrote all of the setlist,
[10:55.360 -> 10:57.120] whereas my dad was doing cover versions and stuff.
[10:57.120 -> 11:00.720] So for me, that whole tour came as an idea
[11:00.720 -> 11:04.720] during a very challenging time after having the throat surgery.
[11:04.720 -> 11:09.080] And I didn't realize until this week really, the whole concept of the tour was to pick
[11:09.080 -> 11:13.840] the songs in my career that were about adversity and overcoming challenging times in my life.
[11:13.840 -> 11:17.880] Whether it was maybe Tomorrow or Into the World, and all these songs that never really
[11:17.880 -> 11:20.480] get played that much in stereophonic shows.
[11:20.480 -> 11:28.000] So it was an opportunity to kind of sandwich them together with very humorous stories about kind of traumatic,
[11:28.000 -> 11:29.000] tragic events in my life.
[11:29.000 -> 11:31.000] But hindsight always offers humor,
[11:31.000 -> 11:36.000] because at the time they're not very funny at all.
[11:36.000 -> 11:38.000] So you get this show of, you know, you make them laugh,
[11:38.000 -> 11:40.000] you make them cry, you make them wait kind of thing.
[11:40.000 -> 11:43.000] And so, you know, going through art college,
[11:43.000 -> 11:45.000] learning some stuff from there,
[11:45.000 -> 11:46.640] stealing some stuff from my dad,
[11:46.640 -> 11:48.240] doing some stuff myself.
[11:48.240 -> 11:50.440] Did my first gig at 12 in a working class club myself.
[11:50.440 -> 11:53.200] So I think that's why a lot of the big legends,
[11:53.200 -> 11:55.000] whether it's the Who, Bowie, the Stones,
[11:55.000 -> 11:56.280] they all took us under their wing
[11:56.280 -> 11:58.840] because I think we were kind of the last generation
[11:58.840 -> 12:00.280] of bands that did the same as them,
[12:00.280 -> 12:04.080] which was in the back of a van going through pubs and clubs.
[12:04.080 -> 12:06.000] Because after that it became people getting discovered on TV
[12:06.000 -> 12:07.000] and all that kind of stuff, you know.
[12:07.000 -> 12:10.000] We should probably talk then about the throat moment, shouldn't we?
[12:10.000 -> 12:11.000] Yeah.
[12:11.000 -> 12:12.000] And the subsequent surgery and then the tour.
[12:12.000 -> 12:15.000] For people that don't know, late 2018, a polyp,
[12:15.000 -> 12:17.000] was it a polyp discovered on your vocal cords?
[12:17.000 -> 12:18.000] Polyp, yeah.
[12:18.000 -> 12:23.000] I went for just a regular checkup and they found,
[12:23.000 -> 12:25.000] they called it a one-off trauma
[12:25.000 -> 12:28.760] polyp on my vocal cords, which could have been
[12:28.760 -> 12:30.920] done by a bad cough or shouting at the football.
[12:30.920 -> 12:33.480] And I was trying to trace back my steps and it
[12:33.480 -> 12:34.960] was this one day I was going to the gym and I'd
[12:34.960 -> 12:37.240] been trying to get to the gym like all week,
[12:37.240 -> 12:38.920] cause you know, a lot of kids in the house and
[12:38.920 -> 12:39.640] all stuff going on.
[12:39.640 -> 12:41.880] And I eventually got out the door and I was
[12:41.880 -> 12:42.480] driving there.
[12:42.520 -> 12:46.600] And as I got to the gym, I remembered I left my keys in the front door and I let got out the door and I was driving there and as I got to the gym I remembered I left my keys in the front door
[12:46.600 -> 12:47.800] and I let out this massive,
[12:47.800 -> 12:48.640] fuck.
[12:48.640 -> 12:51.320] And I always remember it kind of hurting a bit,
[12:51.320 -> 12:53.280] so I don't know if that was the moment.
[12:53.280 -> 12:54.880] So the moral there is,
[12:54.880 -> 12:56.240] don't leave your keys in the door and all that.
[12:56.240 -> 13:00.280] But I went and had the check and they said
[13:00.280 -> 13:01.360] they found this thing and then said,
[13:01.360 -> 13:02.880] go away, come back in a couple of weeks.
[13:02.880 -> 13:03.920] And then I went back a couple of weeks
[13:03.920 -> 13:04.760] and it's still there.
[13:04.760 -> 13:08.840] They said, come back in a couple of weeks. then I went back a couple of weeks and it's still there they said come back in a couple of weeks and I ended up going back in on New Year's Eve for the
[13:08.840 -> 13:11.520] last check and they said it's still there I think we're gonna have to
[13:11.520 -> 13:16.680] operate so they said come back in on I think it was January the 7th and I went
[13:16.680 -> 13:20.120] in and they took it off and then I had to go to Wales for a recovery thing I
[13:20.120 -> 13:24.680] couldn't speak for about three days and then I could speak for two minutes and
[13:24.680 -> 13:25.920] then I could speak for five minutes so and then I could speak for five minutes.
[13:25.920 -> 13:28.000] So I was just reading like a chapter of a book out loud
[13:28.000 -> 13:29.600] and then stopped talking.
[13:29.600 -> 13:32.320] So it was quite a strange process.
[13:32.320 -> 13:35.360] And then it was about learning how to,
[13:35.360 -> 13:36.640] literally how to sing again.
[13:36.640 -> 13:38.320] And I've never had a vocal coach before,
[13:38.320 -> 13:41.160] so I contacted this guy who Declan, the surgeon,
[13:41.160 -> 13:43.440] put me in touch with, Joshua,
[13:43.440 -> 13:45.600] and he would teach me these things about
[13:45.600 -> 13:47.080] blowing into straws and stuff like that
[13:47.080 -> 13:51.280] for you to strengthen the muscle without straining it,
[13:51.280 -> 13:52.680] which is quite bizarre,
[13:52.680 -> 13:55.120] because it looked like a bunch of drugs,
[13:55.120 -> 13:57.120] really, of straws and bottles and pipes everywhere.
[13:57.120 -> 13:58.200] So if anybody walked in my room,
[13:58.200 -> 14:00.960] they probably thought I was having a good time in there.
[14:02.040 -> 14:03.440] So I just had to go through all this
[14:03.440 -> 14:07.760] very, very slow process, really, and try to regain
[14:07.760 -> 14:11.800] the strength in the thing that's going to give me my whole kind of life really.
[14:11.800 -> 14:17.400] That to me was a very vulnerable time as Jake said, watching the film, I was really struck
[14:17.400 -> 14:21.600] by the vulnerability that you were exposed to.
[14:21.600 -> 14:26.160] But vulnerability is a common theme throughout your whole history, Kelly.
[14:26.160 -> 14:29.200] So whether it's, I've read the quote
[14:29.200 -> 14:30.600] that you never wanted to be famous.
[14:30.600 -> 14:34.200] So to become a front man and start singing
[14:34.200 -> 14:36.560] exposed you to vulnerability and, you know,
[14:36.560 -> 14:39.120] having to lose bandmates on the journey
[14:39.120 -> 14:41.240] has made you vulnerable and releasing albums
[14:41.240 -> 14:43.720] where you'd be told you weren't gonna sell.
[14:43.720 -> 14:47.760] You seem to be comfortable with that discomfort that a lot of people would shy away from.
[14:47.760 -> 14:54.480] So what can you tell us, for anyone listening, about how to be comfortable with being vulnerable?
[14:54.480 -> 14:59.200] I think I've walked towards it a lot in my life, as much as I've tried to walk away from it.
[14:59.200 -> 15:07.080] When I look at the content in the songs, a lot of the big songs that people connect to have come from some of the
[15:07.080 -> 15:09.400] most vulnerable times in my life, really.
[15:10.440 -> 15:12.240] And putting that out there is vulnerable.
[15:12.240 -> 15:15.740] The whole film is a vulnerable idea to expose
[15:15.740 -> 15:16.720] that this has happened.
[15:16.720 -> 15:19.240] I kind of kept it secret because I needed to get
[15:19.240 -> 15:20.400] a lot of these things under my belt,
[15:20.400 -> 15:21.600] whether it was the album's finished,
[15:21.600 -> 15:23.120] the number one record of success.
[15:23.120 -> 15:24.640] Is that why you didn't tell anyone?
[15:24.640 -> 15:25.600] Yeah. Because watching it, I thought, why. Is that why you didn't tell anyone? Yeah.
[15:25.600 -> 15:29.040] Because watching it I thought why not tell these people you trust and work with?
[15:29.040 -> 15:33.160] You know we've got your manager Natalie who came here today.
[15:33.160 -> 15:34.160] She knew.
[15:34.160 -> 15:37.400] But 25 years you've worked together so I'm not surprised but there are still people on
[15:37.400 -> 15:39.840] there that you're really close with and you didn't tell them?
[15:39.840 -> 15:42.240] No, the band in the film don't know.
[15:42.240 -> 15:46.000] I still haven't told them and it wasn't't like, oh, let's keep this secret.
[15:46.000 -> 15:48.600] It was much more about, like if you're a ballet dancer
[15:48.600 -> 15:50.000] and you broke your ankle and then you go out there
[15:50.000 -> 15:51.700] and people are watching you after a break,
[15:51.700 -> 15:53.200] they're gonna go, oh, it's not quite as good.
[15:53.200 -> 15:54.740] You see it in football all the time.
[15:54.740 -> 15:56.000] Somebody's had an injury, they're judging them
[15:56.000 -> 15:57.800] before they've even had a crack.
[15:57.800 -> 16:01.500] I needed to get to the end of something
[16:01.500 -> 16:06.160] and have appreciation for the job I've done, neutral,
[16:06.160 -> 16:08.040] and say, that was great, you sound better than ever,
[16:08.040 -> 16:12.620] or whatever, and I needed to know that myself more so.
[16:12.620 -> 16:13.940] And then I was just talking about it,
[16:13.940 -> 16:15.320] and Ben overheard it, and Ben's like,
[16:15.320 -> 16:17.500] do you not think that should be part of the story of 2019?
[16:17.500 -> 16:20.160] And I'm like, I'm not sure.
[16:20.160 -> 16:21.200] He said, have you got footage of it?
[16:21.200 -> 16:22.300] And I said, I've got all these videos,
[16:22.300 -> 16:23.260] I've got millions of videos,
[16:23.260 -> 16:27.880] because I had to send them to the vocal coach. And he pieced it together in a way where,
[16:27.880 -> 16:29.160] you know, the story had a great arc
[16:29.160 -> 16:30.240] from beginning, middle to end,
[16:30.240 -> 16:32.560] which is about overcoming adversity
[16:32.560 -> 16:33.680] and offering hope really,
[16:33.680 -> 16:36.040] which a lot of my song writing is that,
[16:36.040 -> 16:37.560] you know, maybe tomorrow I'll find my way home.
[16:37.560 -> 16:39.680] There's always a kind of searching for something,
[16:39.680 -> 16:41.160] but then offering, you know,
[16:41.160 -> 16:43.520] there is a light at the end of the tunnel sort of thing.
[16:43.520 -> 16:48.080] I think when you become honest and vulnerable, I think people actually, it's a bit like
[16:48.080 -> 16:51.760] if you close your heart, then you don't really let it out, you know what I mean?
[16:51.760 -> 16:53.960] You don't let out whatever you're trying to give.
[16:53.960 -> 16:59.600] And I think from the late 90s when people started to have a dig at us, because they
[16:59.600 -> 17:04.120] praise you up and then they start giving you a dig, and then I wrote a song, Mr. Writer,
[17:04.120 -> 17:05.560] about a journalist, and then they thought I you a dig. And then I wrote a song, Mr. Writer, about a journalist.
[17:07.320 -> 17:08.160] And then they thought I was writing about every journalist.
[17:08.480 -> 17:10.600] So then they all turned on me when I was
[17:10.600 -> 17:11.440] walking into interviews.
[17:11.440 -> 17:13.200] I was doing 12 interviews a day, every day.
[17:13.200 -> 17:14.520] I mean, we were the most successful band in
[17:14.520 -> 17:14.920] the country.
[17:14.920 -> 17:17.280] We were headlining Glastonbury, headlining
[17:17.280 -> 17:18.920] V's, Slaying Castle, all in the same year.
[17:18.920 -> 17:21.240] He was huge in 2002, 2003.
[17:21.720 -> 17:22.840] But I was doing all these interviews and the
[17:22.840 -> 17:24.240] first question they would say to me, so you
[17:24.240 -> 17:24.920] hit journalists?
[17:25.800 -> 17:28.840] And I'd be like, so your back's up and your armor comes on,
[17:28.840 -> 17:31.300] and then you start showing a version of yourself
[17:31.300 -> 17:34.640] which is not the placid kind of Kelly kid
[17:34.640 -> 17:37.340] that went to art college and just loved being in a band.
[17:37.340 -> 17:39.720] It was a bit more like, you know,
[17:39.720 -> 17:42.020] are you on a proper, so you're always on your guard,
[17:42.020 -> 17:43.760] so you're always kind of defending yourself,
[17:43.760 -> 17:45.900] and you kind of get a little bit, I don't know, are you on a prop, so you're always kind of defending yourself. And you kind of get a little bit,
[17:45.900 -> 17:48.420] I don't know, you on a pop, are you trying to come at me?
[17:48.420 -> 17:50.720] So it becomes a bit confusing.
[17:50.720 -> 17:53.200] And then bit by bit by bit, you start peeling off.
[17:53.200 -> 17:55.020] And it came to the last few years
[17:55.020 -> 17:57.460] where I just felt like I wanted to show more
[17:57.460 -> 17:59.740] of the personality that I know that I am
[17:59.740 -> 18:01.420] in and amongst my family and my kids
[18:01.420 -> 18:04.180] and the bandmates and everybody that I know.
[18:04.180 -> 18:05.760] Because I've been very, very private.
[18:05.760 -> 18:07.600] And the solo tour was a way of doing that,
[18:07.600 -> 18:08.760] just going up there and telling stories
[18:08.760 -> 18:09.600] about what's going on in my life,
[18:09.600 -> 18:11.280] and people liked it.
[18:11.280 -> 18:12.360] How much did it bother you then,
[18:12.360 -> 18:15.520] that people had a certain idea of what and who
[18:15.520 -> 18:18.000] Kelly Jones was because of a couple of comments
[18:18.000 -> 18:19.920] or a sharp tongue in the odd interview or whatever,
[18:19.920 -> 18:21.160] but you were young as well, by the way.
[18:21.160 -> 18:22.800] Yeah, I was young, yeah, and it was,
[18:22.800 -> 18:24.240] I haven't really thought about it, to be honest.
[18:24.240 -> 18:28.000] It bothered me in around about 2001, 2002.
[18:28.000 -> 18:30.020] I haven't really given it much attention in my life.
[18:30.020 -> 18:31.300] I'm not losing sleep over it,
[18:31.300 -> 18:33.800] but around about just enough education to perform
[18:33.800 -> 18:35.720] when it was quite intense then.
[18:35.720 -> 18:36.880] I was the first man moved to London
[18:36.880 -> 18:38.880] after breaking up with my girlfriend from back home,
[18:38.880 -> 18:40.560] so it was all kind of happening at the same time.
[18:40.560 -> 18:42.780] So it's a bit like a whirlwind at that point,
[18:42.780 -> 18:46.600] because you don't quite know who you are, what you are, what people want from you,
[18:46.600 -> 18:48.120] which version of you do they like,
[18:48.120 -> 18:49.960] which version of you are you supposed to be,
[18:49.960 -> 18:52.320] and it was the time where the newspapers
[18:52.320 -> 18:53.880] was all about slagging everybody off.
[18:53.880 -> 18:55.520] We'd slag a band off, they'd slag us off,
[18:55.520 -> 18:59.080] and so it was a very laddish kind of period of time,
[18:59.080 -> 19:01.680] and to be fair, I'm not really that laddish in that way.
[19:01.680 -> 19:04.920] I've been brought up with three brothers,
[19:04.920 -> 19:07.180] but it's like we're all good drinkers and all the rest of it,
[19:07.180 -> 19:10.360] but it's not really about that kind of banter, really.
[19:10.360 -> 19:11.400] We give as good as we get,
[19:11.400 -> 19:13.560] but you start becoming a version of yourself
[19:13.560 -> 19:15.880] that you're not really.
[19:15.880 -> 19:16.800] I read about you, Kelly,
[19:16.800 -> 19:19.680] that you don't read any interviews about yourself
[19:19.680 -> 19:23.080] or that you famously don't go on social media
[19:23.080 -> 19:23.920] or anything like that.
[19:23.920 -> 19:25.200] You shy away from it.
[19:25.200 -> 19:27.340] What benefits do you think come from
[19:27.340 -> 19:29.080] liberating yourself from that?
[19:29.080 -> 19:30.720] Well, when I began, I never,
[19:30.720 -> 19:32.420] you know, all my mates, when they started bands,
[19:32.420 -> 19:34.200] they always used to read The Enemy and The Melody Maker
[19:34.200 -> 19:36.480] and all these newspapers, and I never did.
[19:36.480 -> 19:39.240] You know, I loved my brother's record collection
[19:39.240 -> 19:40.620] where there was Neil Young, Bob Dylan,
[19:40.620 -> 19:44.500] I loved ACDC and my dad sold records and stuff like that,
[19:44.500 -> 19:46.340] so I would be taking my inspiration
[19:46.340 -> 19:47.960] from music, whether it was the Kinks,
[19:47.960 -> 19:50.200] Creedence Clearwater Revival, songwriters.
[19:50.200 -> 19:53.220] So when somebody offered me a record deal
[19:53.220 -> 19:56.320] and I went out there, the process of the actual doing of it
[19:56.320 -> 19:57.960] was kind of enough for me, so when it comes
[19:57.960 -> 20:00.720] to the social media side of things now,
[20:00.720 -> 20:03.600] I feel like the benefit really is,
[20:03.600 -> 20:06.800] I never really did it for anybody else's opinion, really.
[20:06.800 -> 20:10.480] I did it for my release, what I wanted to get from it.
[20:10.480 -> 20:13.880] And I don't really need to read through,
[20:13.880 -> 20:16.960] you know, thousands and thousands of likes and opinions
[20:16.960 -> 20:18.960] just to see what somebody else will say.
[20:18.960 -> 20:21.080] Because as we all know in this world now,
[20:21.080 -> 20:21.920] nine times out of 10,
[20:21.920 -> 20:23.920] there could be 99 amazing comments,
[20:23.920 -> 20:25.680] but the one that says, you know,
[20:25.680 -> 20:28.200] you crap is the one that you take to bed that night.
[20:28.200 -> 20:30.480] So I just didn't think it was beneficial really
[20:30.480 -> 20:32.880] for what I needed from it.
[20:32.880 -> 20:34.880] Can we talk about when you mentioned the release,
[20:34.880 -> 20:36.400] writing the music,
[20:36.400 -> 20:37.920] there's a lot of conversations at the moment
[20:37.920 -> 20:41.520] about people talking and three men sitting around
[20:41.520 -> 20:42.360] a table like this,
[20:42.360 -> 20:45.540] having a conversation about your emotions
[20:45.540 -> 20:48.020] as the leader of a band is not the sort of interview
[20:48.020 -> 20:50.340] you would have been having probably even five years ago,
[20:50.340 -> 20:51.180] right?
[20:51.180 -> 20:55.260] So let's get into what the music does for you
[20:55.260 -> 20:56.900] psychologically.
[20:56.900 -> 21:00.580] It's interesting because I think in the last few years,
[21:00.580 -> 21:03.940] I realized that I thought writing a song about something
[21:03.940 -> 21:09.600] I went through was me dealing with it. And it was done because it's quick and it's it
[21:09.600 -> 21:12.300] gets out there and it's honest I don't know where it came from one minute it's
[21:12.300 -> 21:15.120] there and the next minute is you know when it's not there the next minute on a
[21:15.120 -> 21:19.400] page and then it kind of informs you back going oh I was I feeling that right
[21:19.400 -> 21:22.680] I'm feeling that because it's coming from my subconscious because I don't
[21:22.680 -> 21:28.160] write lyrics like homework like a lot of people a lot my contemporaries they think the lyric part is just like oh let's get a rhy subconscious because I don't write lyrics like homework like a lot of people, a lot of my contemporaries, they think the lyric part is just like, oh, let's get a rhyming dictionary,
[21:28.160 -> 21:33.680] I don't know, what is this, that's not the way I do it. If it don't come, it don't come, and I just,
[21:33.680 -> 21:37.200] if you look through my lyric books, there's not a lot of scribbling out, it just, it lands on the
[21:37.200 -> 21:42.800] page and that's what it is. So it's a catharsis, you know, so it's definitely something that comes
[21:42.800 -> 21:46.360] through you, but I've realized, I think, the pace of my life
[21:46.360 -> 21:49.400] over the last 25 years has been moving so fast
[21:49.400 -> 21:51.320] that a lot of that stuff may have been dealt with
[21:51.320 -> 21:54.500] in a very, very small percentage.
[21:54.500 -> 21:55.760] You've just scratched the surface, maybe.
[21:55.760 -> 21:58.460] Yeah, and then as you get more time to slow down,
[21:58.460 -> 22:00.000] a bit more time to reflect, or other things
[22:00.000 -> 22:01.400] keep coming up, and the issues or whatever
[22:01.400 -> 22:02.600] that keep coming up, you realize, well,
[22:02.600 -> 22:03.520] you haven't really dealt with that.
[22:03.520 -> 22:04.800] There's other stuff going on under there,
[22:04.800 -> 22:07.020] and then you start delving into it a bit more.
[22:07.020 -> 22:09.040] So it's definitely got an outlet.
[22:09.040 -> 22:11.140] It's definitely got a process, a bit like a painter,
[22:11.140 -> 22:12.140] throwing paint on a canvas,
[22:12.140 -> 22:15.000] or you're writing a journal, or whatever it is, really.
[22:15.000 -> 22:18.420] But whether it's the full expression,
[22:18.420 -> 22:20.560] the full outlet, the full,
[22:20.560 -> 22:22.460] let's get it all out of your system, I don't know.
[22:22.460 -> 22:24.740] I don't think it's the full thing, no.
[22:24.740 -> 22:26.440] Do you go back and look at those things
[22:26.440 -> 22:30.120] and now as an older and wiser Kelly Jones,
[22:30.120 -> 22:32.080] make sure that you do deal with them
[22:32.080 -> 22:35.400] or do you think you still haven't quite got to that point?
[22:35.400 -> 22:37.720] It's fear, again, it comes back to the vulnerability.
[22:37.720 -> 22:41.120] We're all scared of stuff, we're all terrified of
[22:41.120 -> 22:43.960] being hurt, we're all, you know, whatever's wrapped up in,
[22:43.960 -> 22:46.160] you know, you can pick a million issues,
[22:46.160 -> 22:48.200] but it all comes back to the same basis, really,
[22:48.200 -> 22:49.520] which is fear.
[22:49.520 -> 22:50.600] And I think the older you get,
[22:50.600 -> 22:52.200] the realize you can't brush it under the carpet,
[22:52.200 -> 22:53.760] you have to kind of walk at it.
[22:53.760 -> 22:55.320] In a way, you've almost got to run towards it,
[22:55.320 -> 22:57.000] because otherwise it's going to eat you up, really.
[22:57.000 -> 22:58.840] So, and it's horrible.
[22:59.760 -> 23:02.840] But if you don't do it, I think it just comes back around
[23:02.840 -> 23:04.680] and it comes back around, it comes back around, really.
[23:04.680 -> 23:07.400] So it's about peeling off the layers slowly.
[23:07.400 -> 23:11.160] It's a very odd job because it's a very weirdly lonely job
[23:11.160 -> 23:13.560] a lot of the time because you're spending so much time
[23:13.560 -> 23:15.640] when you go back to the discipline,
[23:15.640 -> 23:18.120] you arrive in a town about nine in the morning,
[23:18.120 -> 23:19.240] you got a sound check at four,
[23:19.240 -> 23:20.080] then you probably got pressed
[23:20.080 -> 23:22.640] between four and seven or something.
[23:22.640 -> 23:24.040] And then you warm up and then you walk on stage
[23:24.040 -> 23:25.760] at half eight till 11, and then you're front of 50,000 people and then you warm up, and then you walk on stage at half eight till 11,
[23:25.760 -> 23:27.560] and then you're in front of 50,000 people,
[23:27.560 -> 23:29.160] and then you're back on a bus.
[23:29.160 -> 23:31.120] And you can have a good time and all that after the show,
[23:31.120 -> 23:32.040] but it kind of goes round,
[23:32.040 -> 23:34.760] so all that time leading up to the show,
[23:34.760 -> 23:35.920] if you're not reserving energy,
[23:35.920 -> 23:36.760] by the time you walk on,
[23:36.760 -> 23:37.800] you haven't got the full tank
[23:37.800 -> 23:39.000] of what you need to be delivering,
[23:39.000 -> 23:40.920] so it's not like you can walk around the town
[23:40.920 -> 23:42.440] and have a great time in the start of the day.
[23:42.440 -> 23:45.600] So it's a weird kind of balancing act, really.
[23:45.600 -> 23:48.040] And there's not three lead singers in the band, is there?
[23:48.040 -> 23:49.440] No. It's all on you.
[23:49.440 -> 23:51.960] So there's a lot of pressure, and I've related it,
[23:51.960 -> 23:55.080] the last 10 years I've related a lot to the sports thing.
[23:55.080 -> 23:57.000] I suppose I said to you earlier when I listened
[23:57.000 -> 23:59.240] to the Johnny Wilkinson thing, a lot of that rang true
[23:59.240 -> 24:00.760] to what I do for a living, and you're waiting
[24:00.760 -> 24:03.380] for that moment where you actually feel it,
[24:03.380 -> 24:04.700] where you feel like you're in the flow,
[24:04.700 -> 24:06.700] because it's very hard to find the flow.
[24:06.700 -> 24:09.000] It's very hard to become present in that thing,
[24:09.000 -> 24:11.200] because there's so many things going on at the same time,
[24:11.200 -> 24:12.400] there's so many moving parts.
[24:12.400 -> 24:15.400] So to find it, you have to completely let go and release,
[24:15.400 -> 24:17.500] and you catch yourself sometimes going,
[24:17.500 -> 24:18.600] where did I go, and it's amazing,
[24:18.600 -> 24:21.200] and then you come back to thinking about other stuff.
[24:21.200 -> 24:23.600] What does intrigue me, though, about your world, Kelly,
[24:23.600 -> 24:26.800] is that the way you've just described that preparation for a show
[24:26.800 -> 24:31.160] and things like that is that you must be surrounded by lots of people that just
[24:31.160 -> 24:35.560] want to tell you how amazing you are and tell you how fantastic it was and how it
[24:35.560 -> 24:40.400] touches you. So when you talk about that vulnerability and feeling open enough to
[24:40.400 -> 24:46.700] to express yourself properly, how do you find or recruit people in your inner circle
[24:46.700 -> 24:50.780] that you can be honest with and they can be honest with you?
[24:50.780 -> 24:53.180] In the beginning, it was all mates and brothers.
[24:53.180 -> 24:56.300] You know, we took everybody from the village.
[24:56.300 -> 24:58.020] You know, the first time a tour bus pulled up
[24:58.020 -> 25:00.900] outside my house, you know, it's a one-way street.
[25:00.900 -> 25:02.980] It's got a bus stop at the end and this big tour bus
[25:02.980 -> 25:04.740] pulled up outside and my brother walked out the house,
[25:04.740 -> 25:07.440] my brother Lee, and he looked at it and he walked
[25:07.440 -> 25:09.280] across the street and he saw there was bunk beds,
[25:09.280 -> 25:10.880] he saw there was bottles of vodka in the fridge,
[25:10.880 -> 25:12.480] there was beer everywhere.
[25:12.480 -> 25:13.400] He said, where are you going?
[25:13.400 -> 25:14.480] I said, Scandinavia.
[25:14.480 -> 25:16.640] He said, fuck this, I'm getting my bag.
[25:16.640 -> 25:18.240] And he walked back across the house and he grabbed
[25:18.240 -> 25:21.400] his bag and he came on the trip with us.
[25:21.400 -> 25:23.160] How proud were you at that moment though?
[25:23.160 -> 25:24.360] Oh man, it was like the queen coming to town.
[25:24.360 -> 25:25.680] Everybody was out the curtains.
[25:25.680 -> 25:26.880] It was ridiculous.
[25:26.880 -> 25:27.920] That's incredible.
[25:27.920 -> 25:30.520] But it was, um, so we took as many mates as we could
[25:30.520 -> 25:32.560] and it lasted for, yeah, I don't know,
[25:32.560 -> 25:33.600] maybe two, three years.
[25:33.600 -> 25:35.800] And then, you know, it was like a,
[25:35.800 -> 25:36.920] it was like a bender really.
[25:36.920 -> 25:39.040] It was like a rugby tour and the gig just happened
[25:39.040 -> 25:40.400] to get in the way of the good time.
[25:40.400 -> 25:43.800] And after a while, I think it got to Live 8.
[25:43.800 -> 25:46.240] And when we did Live 8, we had a phone call,
[25:46.240 -> 25:48.560] I was in Australia, and Bob Geldof was organizing
[25:48.560 -> 25:50.400] the show, we had a call saying, would you do it?
[25:50.400 -> 25:52.640] And we said, yeah, we've got to fly back,
[25:52.640 -> 25:53.760] and then we had to fly to Australia,
[25:53.760 -> 25:56.840] it was a mental three days, but they said,
[25:56.840 -> 25:59.680] each act is a seven minute changeover.
[25:59.680 -> 26:02.360] And we thought, we can't do it, we can't do it.
[26:02.360 -> 26:03.880] And then me and Richard sat in the tour bus
[26:03.880 -> 26:05.920] and thought, well, we can do it, it's the crew that can't do it, we can't do it. And then me and Richard sat in the tour bus and thought, well, we can do it,
[26:05.920 -> 26:07.080] it's the crew that can't do it,
[26:07.080 -> 26:08.840] because they're all our mates and they're all pissed,
[26:08.840 -> 26:11.560] or they're not prepped up, they can't do it.
[26:11.560 -> 26:14.720] So that's when we realized that we've gone to one level,
[26:14.720 -> 26:16.720] but the boys from back home are just still thinking
[26:16.720 -> 26:18.480] we're playing in the boozer.
[26:18.480 -> 26:19.720] And we were just about to turn down
[26:19.720 -> 26:21.240] the biggest gig in the world,
[26:21.240 -> 26:22.760] because we couldn't do a seven minute changeover,
[26:22.760 -> 26:24.460] which is not actually our job.
[26:24.460 -> 26:26.480] So then you start getting a bit more professional, you start
[26:26.480 -> 26:30.360] trying to find people who, you know, when we toured with U2, I remember we were
[26:30.360 -> 26:33.400] talking to The Edge and he said, if I want to be the best guitar player in the
[26:33.400 -> 26:36.560] world, then I want my tech to be the best tech in the world. And when you're touring
[26:36.560 -> 26:39.480] with U2 and you're touring with Boat, when you're touring with Rolling Stones, you start seeing all
[26:39.480 -> 26:43.320] these different levels of people and you start seeing how comfortable the artists
[26:43.320 -> 26:46.760] are on stage because all they have to do is concentrate on their job, not worrying
[26:46.760 -> 26:49.480] about everybody else's job, then you start thinking well maybe we should take
[26:49.480 -> 26:53.800] a bit of this on board really. And how was that though, because that must have
[26:53.800 -> 26:57.400] been difficult that you then got the accusations that you've sold out or
[26:57.400 -> 27:01.800] you've changed. Yeah you've changed. Yeah, obviously you're the bastard in here because you know
[27:01.800 -> 27:05.240] you're letting people go or they'd let themselves go, you're offering them you know letting people go, or they're letting themselves go.
[27:05.240 -> 27:10.040] You're offering them opportunities to go and learn in this kind of capacity, go to Gibson,
[27:10.040 -> 27:12.000] get some training, whatever it might be.
[27:12.000 -> 27:14.280] But people don't often take you up on stuff like that.
[27:14.280 -> 27:15.480] They just think you can carry on.
[27:15.480 -> 27:16.640] But it's just growth, again.
[27:16.640 -> 27:18.520] It comes back to the growth.
[27:18.520 -> 27:21.480] I was honest with everybody, saying I want to keep pushing it as far as we can push it.
[27:21.480 -> 27:26.960] And I was very, very ambitious and driven at that point and and whoever didn't want to jump on board really
[27:26.960 -> 27:31.520] that was that was it. The challenge I suppose also is remembering the lessons
[27:31.520 -> 27:34.720] that you learn from those periods. Yeah. You know the press loved making a big
[27:34.720 -> 27:37.920] thing didn't they when your former bandmate Stuart passed away. Oh you
[27:37.920 -> 27:41.640] weren't getting on, do you have regrets now? You were getting on, you'd had a
[27:41.640 -> 27:46.800] period where you weren't, then you were, but you still, to have a childhood friend
[27:46.800 -> 27:49.700] who you have to, asked to leave the band,
[27:49.700 -> 27:52.500] and they pass away, you then, you I'm sure
[27:52.500 -> 27:54.500] thought about that a great deal.
[27:54.500 -> 27:57.000] I wonder whether you've worked hard to keep hold
[27:57.000 -> 27:58.300] of those lessons that you've learned,
[27:58.300 -> 27:59.800] and if you have, how you've managed to do it,
[27:59.800 -> 28:01.700] because I think we all say, oh, that's changed my life,
[28:01.700 -> 28:04.800] that, and two years later, we've forgotten how and why.
[28:04.800 -> 28:05.160] Yeah, it can do that. The steward thing was interesting say, oh, that's changed my life that. And two years later, we've forgotten how and why.
[28:05.160 -> 28:06.080] It can do that.
[28:07.320 -> 28:09.440] The Stewart thing was interesting because again,
[28:09.440 -> 28:10.360] we were very private.
[28:10.360 -> 28:12.080] We knew what was going on with Stewart in his life.
[28:12.080 -> 28:14.400] And we knew he was getting a bit, you know,
[28:14.400 -> 28:15.880] off track really.
[28:15.880 -> 28:17.040] And, you know, we've all went through it
[28:17.040 -> 28:18.760] and we all picked each other up at times when we had,
[28:18.760 -> 28:22.360] but Stewart was going on this road where it didn't look like
[28:22.360 -> 28:23.680] any of us could pull him back from it.
[28:23.680 -> 28:25.260] And we had to let him go.
[28:25.260 -> 28:27.920] And it wasn't like getting rid of a band member.
[28:27.920 -> 28:29.840] As you know, in the film, I lived six doors apart
[28:29.840 -> 28:30.900] from Stuart my whole life.
[28:30.900 -> 28:33.120] So it was like I've been in a band room since I was 12.
[28:33.120 -> 28:35.000] The first gig I did at 12, he was 15.
[28:35.000 -> 28:36.780] So that's how long I'd been with him.
[28:36.780 -> 28:39.540] So when we parted ways, we didn't talk for like a year
[28:39.540 -> 28:42.040] or whatever, and then the press were giving me
[28:42.040 -> 28:45.840] the outing about it because I'd fired Stuart.
[28:45.840 -> 28:48.840] Because I wouldn't tell the press what Stuart was
[28:48.840 -> 28:50.640] getting up to in his private life basically
[28:50.640 -> 28:52.440] because it's his business.
[28:52.440 -> 28:54.480] But then of course when Dakota goes to number one
[28:54.480 -> 28:56.680] which is the next single after Stuart has left,
[28:56.680 -> 28:58.160] first single where I go to number one
[28:58.160 -> 29:00.480] which I wrote and produced it,
[29:00.480 -> 29:02.280] the first text I get is of Stuart saying
[29:02.280 -> 29:05.240] congratulations man, what a fucking great song basically.
[29:05.240 -> 29:07.240] And then the review in Q Magazine I always remember
[29:07.240 -> 29:09.900] was the first line said, Stuart who?
[29:09.900 -> 29:11.840] So it was like, they'd given me the outing,
[29:11.840 -> 29:13.100] but then when the song comes out,
[29:13.100 -> 29:16.960] then it's like, well, you didn't really need him anyway.
[29:16.960 -> 29:18.800] So that's why I don't get involved in it really,
[29:18.800 -> 29:20.280] because it's a bit like, well, what's the point?
[29:20.280 -> 29:22.800] Because you know, you're only taking one part of the story.
[29:22.800 -> 29:27.200] In many ways, I think it symbolizes what life has been like for you all the way through being
[29:27.200 -> 29:30.440] in a band it's a bit like being in an iceberg right there's loads of stuff
[29:30.440 -> 29:34.960] going on beneath the surface whether it's traumas and setbacks and problems
[29:34.960 -> 29:39.920] personal or public but all we see is the little bit of the iceberg above and we
[29:39.920 -> 29:46.320] base all our opinions on what someone like you is like, privately, on that little bit,
[29:46.320 -> 29:47.680] and there's all that underneath.
[29:47.680 -> 29:50.860] And I just, I would not be able to deal with that.
[29:50.860 -> 29:54.020] I just wonder how and whether you did,
[29:54.020 -> 29:56.840] whether you wanted to try and tell the whole story ever.
[29:56.840 -> 29:58.920] It's a difficult thing to articulate really,
[29:58.920 -> 30:01.040] because as you're going through it,
[30:01.040 -> 30:03.680] you're obviously holding on to frustrations
[30:03.680 -> 30:06.920] that people are not quite seeing the full picture.
[30:06.920 -> 30:09.440] The first time I won a Brit Award, my speech was
[30:09.440 -> 30:11.200] about time for some recognition, it was the best
[30:11.200 -> 30:13.280] newcomer award, and Ben Elton's like,
[30:13.280 -> 30:14.640] you've only just got here, and I'd be like,
[30:14.640 -> 30:16.360] no, in my head I'm going, I've been doing this
[30:16.360 -> 30:18.840] for 13 years, mate, and it's about time somebody,
[30:18.840 -> 30:20.040] but when you look back at it, you're kind of going,
[30:20.040 -> 30:20.880] well, they don't know that.
[30:20.880 -> 30:24.960] You know, so you're obviously craving somebody to say,
[30:24.960 -> 30:26.360] you know, you're doing a good job there, mate.
[30:26.360 -> 30:28.280] And where that comes from,
[30:28.280 -> 30:29.480] well, that's, you know, we need a kid,
[30:29.480 -> 30:31.600] you want a man to say something or whatever it is,
[30:31.600 -> 30:33.560] you know, we've all got our reasons for it.
[30:33.560 -> 30:37.800] But as you keep on going and people build,
[30:37.800 -> 30:40.360] I guess a perception through media,
[30:40.360 -> 30:43.520] I always found it was more the media perception
[30:43.520 -> 30:46.000] was kind of skewed compared to like,
[30:46.000 -> 30:48.000] when I go on the radio, people can hear who I am,
[30:48.000 -> 30:49.000] or if I go on the TV, they can,
[30:49.000 -> 30:52.000] from Nevermind the Buzzcocks, they can see who I am.
[30:52.000 -> 30:55.000] But when it became in print,
[30:55.000 -> 30:58.000] it always came across like something else,
[30:58.000 -> 31:00.000] and it used to frustrate us a lot, you know,
[31:00.000 -> 31:01.000] and that's why we stopped reading it all,
[31:01.000 -> 31:03.000] because we were like, we're not winning here,
[31:03.000 -> 31:05.000] this is just, this is not coming across how we meant to be talking. So you do carry a bit of stopped reading it all, because we were like, we're not winning here. This is just, this is not coming across
[31:05.000 -> 31:07.920] how we meant to be talking.
[31:07.920 -> 31:10.740] So you do carry a bit of resentment through it all.
[31:10.740 -> 31:12.080] And then I think I've realized,
[31:12.080 -> 31:13.180] I didn't realize I was doing it,
[31:13.180 -> 31:15.140] but the last three years I was obviously doing stuff,
[31:15.140 -> 31:16.800] making the record with Far From Saints,
[31:16.800 -> 31:19.080] you know, the guys from Austin, Texas,
[31:19.080 -> 31:22.160] doing the solo tour, doing the spoken word stuff.
[31:22.160 -> 31:25.760] I've clearly started to show people
[31:25.760 -> 31:28.160] other elements of my talent, personality,
[31:28.160 -> 31:29.640] whatever you want to call it.
[31:29.640 -> 31:30.960] Even though I've been trying to do that
[31:30.960 -> 31:32.960] through the brand of Stereophonics for 25 years
[31:32.960 -> 31:35.100] by making every album completely different
[31:35.100 -> 31:37.020] and trying to change the sound,
[31:37.020 -> 31:38.240] I think I came to the realization
[31:38.240 -> 31:40.800] it doesn't matter what I do and change,
[31:40.800 -> 31:42.480] it'll always be under the brand of Stereophonics,
[31:42.480 -> 31:45.720] whether it's Coco Pops or Corn Flakes, it's Kellogg's.
[31:45.720 -> 31:48.680] So no matter how hard I try, it's still an amazing job
[31:48.680 -> 31:50.400] and there's 15 year old kids coming to the gigs
[31:50.400 -> 31:52.160] and there's people, 60 coming to the gigs.
[31:52.160 -> 31:53.800] It's not a bad thing to be associated,
[31:53.800 -> 31:55.360] like this is a stereophonics by the way.
[31:55.360 -> 31:58.800] It's an amazing thing, but I thought I was needing
[31:58.800 -> 32:00.360] to walk away from it at one point
[32:00.360 -> 32:01.320] because I couldn't work out,
[32:01.320 -> 32:04.320] I'm not quite fulfilled with what's going on
[32:04.320 -> 32:05.200] because I want to do stuff. And then I realized, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not quite fulfilled what's going on because I want to do stuff.
[32:05.900 -> 32:07.680] And then I realized, I think in the last few
[32:07.680 -> 32:09.480] years, it's more about dividing that kind of pie
[32:09.480 -> 32:11.640] chart up with, well, I can still do the
[32:11.640 -> 32:13.360] stereophonics, but like the Malcolm Gladwell
[32:13.360 -> 32:14.800] thing, I don't need to put, you know, a hundred
[32:14.800 -> 32:15.760] thousand hours into it now.
[32:15.760 -> 32:18.080] I it's there, but I can go over there and do
[32:18.080 -> 32:19.800] this other project with these guys from Texas,
[32:19.800 -> 32:21.120] or I can go over here and do this other thing
[32:21.120 -> 32:23.440] and I can grow and get fulfillment from these
[32:23.440 -> 32:26.360] other projects, which will only ignite the main game.
[32:26.360 -> 32:27.800] I think that's fascinating, Kelly,
[32:27.800 -> 32:30.200] that even through the stereophonics,
[32:30.200 -> 32:32.080] that you've tried different sounds,
[32:32.080 -> 32:34.820] you've been prepared to strip it back,
[32:34.820 -> 32:38.160] then you've done the big anthemic stuff.
[32:38.160 -> 32:41.000] How do you get the courage to almost let go
[32:41.000 -> 32:44.000] of what might be a winning formula in one's guise
[32:44.000 -> 32:46.560] to try something completely different.
[32:46.560 -> 32:49.440] Like, what's your driver of the processes
[32:49.440 -> 32:52.840] that you put in place to reinvent yourself constantly?
[32:52.840 -> 32:55.920] Yeah, I mean, the first two records were, you know,
[32:55.920 -> 32:57.800] of a typical thing, and then when we got
[32:57.800 -> 33:01.580] to Just Enough Education, which became a really big record,
[33:01.580 -> 33:03.640] I don't think there's many electric guitars on there at all,
[33:03.640 -> 33:07.760] completely changed it, and then the album after that, well, maybe tomorrow,
[33:07.760 -> 33:10.600] there was five of us on stage, three girl backing singers.
[33:10.600 -> 33:12.200] There was Ruggs, who almost became
[33:12.200 -> 33:14.160] the Grateful Dead for a bit.
[33:14.160 -> 33:15.520] And then we completely ripped that away
[33:15.520 -> 33:17.600] and became three people again,
[33:17.600 -> 33:19.440] and come out with Dakota, which was all very linear,
[33:19.440 -> 33:22.960] kind of hard-edged, kind of almost like a garage stuff.
[33:22.960 -> 33:25.880] So to me, it's it's about well you make these
[33:25.880 -> 33:28.520] small choices like well I'm not gonna do this in this record I'm not gonna do
[33:28.520 -> 33:31.440] that I don't want to do that I don't want to ever do that again I want to try
[33:31.440 -> 33:35.360] to do this and it's about growth and trying to you know when I was a kid
[33:35.360 -> 33:39.960] doing covers in pubs I wasn't just doing Beatles and Stone Roses covers I was
[33:39.960 -> 33:46.080] doing everything from Bob Dylan to Bob Marley. It didn't make any difference to me.
[33:46.080 -> 33:47.880] It was always about if the song is good,
[33:47.880 -> 33:49.400] it doesn't matter what genre it comes under.
[33:49.400 -> 33:52.440] So I've never wanted to be boxed in with genre
[33:52.440 -> 33:53.280] or anything like that.
[33:53.280 -> 33:56.000] So they don't really feel like that big a risk to me.
[33:56.000 -> 33:57.320] It's only when you put them back to back
[33:57.320 -> 33:59.360] that they sound quite different from one another.
[33:59.360 -> 34:01.040] It's authenticity at the heart of that as well.
[34:01.040 -> 34:04.720] Because like, if you look at the size and the scale
[34:04.720 -> 34:07.360] at which you perform here in the UK compared to the States, right, you're not
[34:07.360 -> 34:10.080] as big in the States as you are in the UK, you could have been
[34:10.080 -> 34:10.960] bigger in the States.
[34:11.520 -> 34:13.760] If you'd have just forgotten about authenticity for a bit and
[34:13.760 -> 34:15.520] thought, right, what do they want to hear?
[34:15.520 -> 34:18.800] I'll make a song that people love on Tik TOK and then that'll
[34:18.800 -> 34:19.920] drive my sales.
[34:19.920 -> 34:21.040] You could do that.
[34:21.040 -> 34:21.600] Yeah.
[34:21.600 -> 34:22.880] Is it a conscious decision not to?
[34:23.440 -> 34:25.880] I've been asked for many years to do many things,
[34:25.880 -> 34:29.280] whether it's publishers ask me to write songs for pop artists,
[34:29.280 -> 34:33.800] or every year I have to go on The Voice, or The X Factor,
[34:33.800 -> 34:34.920] or all this kind of stuff.
[34:34.920 -> 34:38.160] And it's all great TV and opportunities and fun stuff
[34:38.160 -> 34:38.680] for people.
[34:38.680 -> 34:42.280] But it's like, to me, I know I wouldn't be able to believe it.
[34:42.280 -> 34:43.780] So these projects I'm talking about,
[34:43.780 -> 34:49.900] whether it is the Far From Saints thing, that fell in my lap because I watched this girl sing in 2013
[34:49.900 -> 34:53.140] and I loved her voice and I wanted to sing with her and I knew that if we did
[34:53.140 -> 34:57.340] something together it could be something quite unique. And to me it's about trying
[34:57.340 -> 35:01.060] to find an authenticity and if you can do a collaboration then it has to be for
[35:01.060 -> 35:05.400] the right reason. I'd never wanted to be a factory kind of songwriter.
[35:05.400 -> 35:07.040] I could probably do that, go to work every day
[35:07.040 -> 35:09.120] and do a Ronnie Barker and write five songs a day
[35:09.120 -> 35:11.440] and give them to people, but then they're not mine.
[35:11.440 -> 35:12.960] It's like giving something away, you know?
[35:12.960 -> 35:14.280] So what would you say you are now?
[35:14.280 -> 35:16.840] Because I think you're probably finally at an age
[35:16.840 -> 35:18.940] where you actually can reflect, look back
[35:18.940 -> 35:21.240] and be really honest about what you are
[35:21.240 -> 35:22.760] as a singer songwriter.
[35:22.760 -> 35:24.760] Let's talk about legacy for a bit.
[35:24.760 -> 35:27.140] In 50 years, what would you want people
[35:27.140 -> 35:28.740] to say about your music?
[35:28.740 -> 35:30.260] I think going forward, I think for me now,
[35:30.260 -> 35:32.900] it's a bit more about a portfolio in some ways.
[35:32.900 -> 35:34.780] I started in art school and I would have
[35:34.780 -> 35:36.300] these big folders of all different things.
[35:36.300 -> 35:39.380] I'd be making films, I'd be making graphics,
[35:39.380 -> 35:40.720] I'd be making fine art, I'd be doing
[35:40.720 -> 35:42.720] all this different stuff.
[35:42.720 -> 35:43.900] And I've always done all the artwork
[35:43.900 -> 35:46.240] for the records and the t-shirts and stages
[35:46.240 -> 35:47.460] and I get involved in all that stuff
[35:47.460 -> 35:49.480] because that's what my background is.
[35:49.480 -> 35:51.720] I've directed the videos and I've written the videos
[35:51.720 -> 35:53.920] and I've written some screenplays.
[35:53.920 -> 35:56.760] I've nearly got a few films off the ground.
[35:56.760 -> 35:59.440] So I think going forward, it's going to be about,
[35:59.440 -> 36:02.080] it's all going to come under the guise of storytelling,
[36:02.080 -> 36:04.460] but the format that it falls into,
[36:04.460 -> 36:06.820] I don't think I'm going to put 100% of it
[36:06.820 -> 36:09.020] just into the stereophonics,
[36:09.020 -> 36:10.760] because when we go back to fear and vulnerability,
[36:10.760 -> 36:14.000] I've been afraid of walking sideways from the stereophonics
[36:14.000 -> 36:16.020] because I was afraid what would happen.
[36:16.020 -> 36:18.400] And now I've actually got a belief that
[36:18.400 -> 36:20.320] I don't have to be afraid of walking,
[36:20.320 -> 36:21.360] because I'm not walking away from it.
[36:21.360 -> 36:23.360] I'm just taking a step to the side and doing this other bit
[36:23.360 -> 36:24.940] and then I'll be right back.
[36:24.940 -> 36:27.520] But I've been afraid to do that for probably 10, 15 years,
[36:27.520 -> 36:29.480] you know, so allowing myself to do that,
[36:29.480 -> 36:31.840] I think I've got scope to do many other things.
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[39:08.160 -> 39:15.740] HPP additional taxes fees and restrictions apply see mint mobile for details. I think bravery is such an interesting topic
[39:15.740 -> 39:18.760] Um, I just want to touch on your son very briefly
[39:18.760 -> 39:27.240] Yeah, who came out as trans and again, we're not after some salacious headline about struggles with dealing with a child
[39:27.240 -> 39:29.240] who's come out as trans or whatever.
[39:29.240 -> 39:31.480] I'm just, there's two things about this really.
[39:31.480 -> 39:34.000] Number one, when you talk about bravery,
[39:34.000 -> 39:36.280] you must have been so proud of your son
[39:36.280 -> 39:39.080] to come out in the way that he did.
[39:39.080 -> 39:40.640] And he goes to an all girls school, right?
[39:40.640 -> 39:41.640] Yeah.
[39:41.640 -> 39:44.240] To walk in there every day, the bravery.
[39:44.240 -> 39:46.400] Yeah. I wonder what you've learned from him.
[39:47.120 -> 39:51.440] I've learned a lot from him. I've learned a lot for all my kids. I mean, I've just been walking
[39:51.440 -> 39:57.600] around a park with my 13 year old because she's going through stuff as well. And you can't stop
[39:57.600 -> 40:04.240] learning from him really. But I mean, Colby's episode was, you got a young kid telling you
[40:04.240 -> 40:05.480] something's not right,
[40:05.480 -> 40:06.920] and you think it's about a sexuality thing,
[40:06.920 -> 40:11.040] and it slowly trickles into the gender situation.
[40:11.040 -> 40:13.200] And then I look around and I'm thinking,
[40:13.200 -> 40:14.480] well, who can I talk to about this?
[40:14.480 -> 40:16.640] I don't know one single person
[40:16.640 -> 40:18.480] in all the people I know in my life
[40:18.480 -> 40:19.740] that has ever been through this.
[40:19.740 -> 40:21.960] I can talk to people about having kids
[40:21.960 -> 40:22.800] from different mothers.
[40:22.800 -> 40:24.960] I can talk to people about most things,
[40:24.960 -> 40:26.000] but this is like, I've got no idea
[40:26.000 -> 40:28.000] what's going on here.
[40:28.000 -> 40:30.000] And once I realised that was actually happening
[40:30.000 -> 40:32.000] it was a case of I have to do my research
[40:32.000 -> 40:34.000] and go and talk to some therapist
[40:34.000 -> 40:36.000] to get help, to get him therapist because
[40:36.000 -> 40:38.000] he's at an age where you're not
[40:38.000 -> 40:40.000] an adult but you're not a child and it's like
[40:40.000 -> 40:42.000] in between things. But as you say
[40:42.000 -> 40:44.000] I mean I went to watch a carol service
[40:44.000 -> 40:45.720] at the school last summer and people are going, oh it's just a phase, he'll but as you say, I mean, I went to watch a carol service at the school last summer and
[40:45.720 -> 40:46.960] people are going, oh, it's just a phase.
[40:46.960 -> 40:48.080] It'd be, you know, they grow to be.
[40:48.400 -> 40:49.840] And I went to this carol service, most all
[40:49.840 -> 40:51.280] these teenage girls singing with the long
[40:51.280 -> 40:52.800] hair and the little spots and all the stuff
[40:52.800 -> 40:53.200] they're doing.
[40:53.200 -> 40:56.160] And, and then he walked down with like a
[40:56.200 -> 40:58.360] short kind of cropped hair, like David Bowie
[40:58.360 -> 41:00.560] or something, wearing trousers and a shirt.
[41:00.560 -> 41:02.720] And he's like, I look like a bartender and he
[41:02.720 -> 41:04.160] couldn't have looked more different from the
[41:04.160 -> 41:05.120] rest of the girls there. And I'm thinking, well, that's,, I look like a bartender. And he couldn't have looked more different from the rest of the girls there.
[41:05.120 -> 41:07.760] And I'm thinking, well, that takes a lot of balls there.
[41:07.760 -> 41:10.000] And there's no way you would be doing that
[41:10.000 -> 41:11.840] if it wasn't something for real, you know?
[41:11.840 -> 41:15.880] So there's a lot of courage involved in that whole thing.
[41:15.880 -> 41:17.720] Yeah, it's incredible really.
[41:17.720 -> 41:20.080] I find that so moving because we live in a world now
[41:20.080 -> 41:22.560] where being yourself is harder than ever before.
[41:22.560 -> 41:24.040] Like I think the three of us,
[41:24.040 -> 41:25.280] you say you don't use social media,
[41:25.280 -> 41:27.380] I know you don't go on Twitter because you hate it,
[41:27.380 -> 41:28.720] the biggest source of stress in my life
[41:28.720 -> 41:30.020] is the use of social media.
[41:30.020 -> 41:33.740] Now imagine what it's like for how old is,
[41:33.740 -> 41:34.580] you're 16?
[41:34.580 -> 41:35.620] 16, yeah.
[41:35.620 -> 41:37.540] And you use your social media?
[41:37.540 -> 41:39.080] I think they dip in and out a bit
[41:39.080 -> 41:41.140] from like putting art and stuff up there
[41:41.140 -> 41:42.340] and Minecraft and stuff like that,
[41:42.340 -> 41:44.140] but not to the extent where it's like
[41:44.140 -> 41:46.160] masses of comments and stuff like that just yet.
[41:46.160 -> 41:47.160] But there will be judgment.
[41:47.160 -> 41:48.160] Yeah.
[41:48.160 -> 41:50.560] For us to deal with judgment is hard and we're all in our 40s.
[41:50.560 -> 41:51.560] Yeah.
[41:51.560 -> 41:53.720] Well, I couldn't believe there was no bullying at all.
[41:53.720 -> 41:58.440] And if I compare that to where I came from, I mean, there wasn't any black people where
[41:58.440 -> 41:59.440] I grew up.
[41:59.440 -> 42:03.760] There were two gay people and literally, no joking aside, they literally worked in the
[42:03.760 -> 42:04.760] hairdressers.
[42:04.760 -> 42:06.320] It's that old cliche.
[42:06.320 -> 42:11.040] So it's like where I came from, there was, everybody had buried prejudices they didn't
[42:11.040 -> 42:12.040] even know they had.
[42:12.040 -> 42:18.120] So when these things become brought to life, you don't really realize what your omnipresent
[42:18.120 -> 42:19.120] beliefs are really.
[42:19.120 -> 42:22.760] And then you have to face them, as I said earlier, by walking into them, you have to
[42:22.760 -> 42:26.920] kind of go, right, well, it's courage, man.
[42:26.920 -> 42:29.480] And at the end of the day, it's not me waking up every day
[42:29.480 -> 42:31.480] feeling like that, it's Colby.
[42:31.480 -> 42:33.040] All I am is a support network, really,
[42:33.040 -> 42:35.440] and I have to just kind of guide him through it, you know?
[42:35.440 -> 42:37.400] And we have a lot of parents that listen to this podcast,
[42:37.400 -> 42:39.880] and a lot of our guests talk about things
[42:39.880 -> 42:40.960] they've learned in their careers
[42:40.960 -> 42:42.960] that they can apply as parents.
[42:42.960 -> 42:45.320] What have you learned from that episode
[42:45.320 -> 42:46.440] that's made you a better parent
[42:46.440 -> 42:49.160] do you think that our listeners can pick up from?
[42:49.160 -> 42:51.480] I think, you know, I've got four kids
[42:51.480 -> 42:54.200] and each one of them have got their own story really
[42:54.200 -> 42:55.800] from 16 to six months.
[42:55.800 -> 42:59.120] And there's a lot of information you can keep giving them
[42:59.120 -> 43:01.000] and there's a lot of information they can keep giving you
[43:01.000 -> 43:03.120] and they can get all the statistics they want off YouTube
[43:03.120 -> 43:04.280] and all the rest of it.
[43:04.280 -> 43:06.000] And you can try to reason them and all this,
[43:06.000 -> 43:08.760] but at the end of the day, I think ultimately
[43:08.760 -> 43:10.800] all a kid wants to know is are they safe?
[43:10.800 -> 43:12.480] And if you give them a hug and just tell them,
[43:12.480 -> 43:13.760] look, it's going to be all right, man,
[43:13.760 -> 43:16.920] and it might take a bit of time, but that's it,
[43:16.920 -> 43:19.720] because I think if you talk to them too much,
[43:19.720 -> 43:21.320] I tried it this morning, it didn't work,
[43:21.320 -> 43:22.960] but the hug worked.
[43:22.960 -> 43:24.160] Can we talk about hard work?
[43:24.160 -> 43:26.600] Yeah. I think it's another area that people don't explore
[43:26.600 -> 43:28.980] often enough or don't talk about often enough.
[43:28.980 -> 43:31.420] How hard do you work?
[43:31.420 -> 43:33.780] I've been called a workaholic.
[43:33.780 -> 43:36.720] I've been called many things.
[43:36.720 -> 43:39.580] I suppose I push myself quite hard, yeah.
[43:39.580 -> 43:41.020] But the problem is I don't feel like I am
[43:41.020 -> 43:43.920] pushing myself that hard until my body starts
[43:43.920 -> 43:44.760] going a bit crazy.
[43:44.760 -> 43:45.880] I mean, in the last few months,
[43:45.880 -> 43:48.520] I've had quite a lot of weird nervous system things
[43:48.520 -> 43:51.760] happening to me, probably because my body has stopped
[43:51.760 -> 43:54.140] after 20 odd years of going and going and going.
[43:54.140 -> 43:56.460] I think my body's actually coming down to land, basically,
[43:56.460 -> 43:57.780] and didn't know what was going on.
[43:57.780 -> 44:01.000] But I do push myself quite hard in the sense of,
[44:01.000 -> 44:02.640] I think that comes back to the fear thing again,
[44:02.640 -> 44:04.480] is because I've been afraid of letting it go.
[44:04.480 -> 44:07.600] So I'll come off tour and say I'm not going to do anything.
[44:07.600 -> 44:10.040] Within six weeks, I'm probably back in the studio
[44:10.040 -> 44:12.400] with a bunch of songs and I'm calling everybody up,
[44:12.400 -> 44:13.680] going, I think we need to do this.
[44:13.680 -> 44:16.160] And it goes very quick again.
[44:16.160 -> 44:17.720] I think I work very hard as a father.
[44:17.720 -> 44:19.560] I'm kind of a bit like a loaf of bread
[44:19.560 -> 44:22.840] that's constantly being poked by all sides, really,
[44:22.840 -> 44:24.680] in my house, because when I walk through the door,
[44:24.680 -> 44:25.660] I feel like
[44:25.660 -> 44:27.140] this lion has returned from the jungle
[44:27.140 -> 44:29.260] and they all want to ask me something or do something
[44:29.260 -> 44:31.780] and I can't not give them all my time.
[44:31.780 -> 44:33.820] And I don't know what that is and it's become
[44:33.820 -> 44:37.420] to a detriment of my own health and self to a point
[44:37.420 -> 44:40.300] because I haven't really learned how to delegate
[44:40.300 -> 44:42.460] that very well, I haven't really learned how to
[44:42.460 -> 44:43.980] ask for a lot of help a lot in my life
[44:43.980 -> 44:46.400] and I'm not one of having nannies running around the house
[44:46.400 -> 44:47.240] or anything like that.
[44:47.240 -> 44:48.520] I've always done it all.
[44:48.520 -> 44:50.400] And Jackie, obviously.
[44:50.400 -> 44:53.760] So I work really hard, I guess, is the true answer to it.
[44:53.760 -> 44:54.800] Could you have achieved what you have
[44:54.800 -> 44:56.360] without that hard work?
[44:56.360 -> 44:59.360] No, I think tenacity and hard work,
[44:59.360 -> 45:01.920] I think that comes from the working class background.
[45:01.920 -> 45:04.920] I don't think you'd sustain in any industry
[45:04.920 -> 45:05.040] without putting the preparation and the working. It just doesn't last. I've looked think you'd sustain in any industry without
[45:05.040 -> 45:08.000] putting the preparation and the working. It just doesn't last. I've looked around
[45:08.000 -> 45:10.240] me and most of the people that were started with us are not there anymore.
[45:10.240 -> 45:15.720] And it does come down to craft and it comes down to determination and ultimately
[45:15.720 -> 45:21.720] hard work. Some of your career is spent with like Tom Jones, you toured with Bowie
[45:21.720 -> 45:27.000] in the early 2000s, Kelly. What advice did they pass on to you,
[45:27.000 -> 45:31.000] like that generation above, about hard work and craft
[45:31.000 -> 45:35.000] and learning your craft that you could share with our listeners?
[45:35.000 -> 45:37.000] I remember we did the tour with you two
[45:37.000 -> 45:39.000] and I remember Bono sitting on a table with me once
[45:39.000 -> 45:42.000] and he said, if you look around the table at some point in your life
[45:42.000 -> 45:50.880] and more than 70% or something are on your payroll, then you've around the table at some point in your life and more than 70% of something on your payroll, then you probably become a prick. So every dinner
[45:50.880 -> 45:54.320] I ever went on from that point on I'd be like...
[45:54.320 -> 45:58.320] Life advice from Bonner, that's a whole different podcast isn't it?
[45:58.320 -> 46:03.960] David Bowie, I guess what I learned from him was, I mean watching that guy
[46:03.960 -> 46:06.120] touring from one end of America to the other,
[46:06.120 -> 46:07.960] and Kraft, we talked about set list,
[46:07.960 -> 46:10.160] the way he played the set list in the middle of America
[46:10.160 -> 46:11.820] compared to how he played it on the West Coast
[46:11.820 -> 46:13.800] and the East Coast was completely different.
[46:13.800 -> 46:15.660] In the middle, it was all very, you know,
[46:15.660 -> 46:17.580] let's dance and do what you need to do,
[46:17.580 -> 46:20.420] but then he became more left field everywhere he went,
[46:20.420 -> 46:21.920] and he was about knowing the audience.
[46:21.920 -> 46:23.760] It was very interesting to see that.
[46:23.760 -> 46:24.720] Would you talk to him about that,
[46:24.720 -> 46:26.160] or do you think it was all just a sub?
[46:26.160 -> 46:27.680] And what did he say?
[46:27.680 -> 46:29.200] He just knew his audience really.
[46:29.200 -> 46:31.240] And you know, he was, you know,
[46:31.240 -> 46:32.800] I would write screenplays and I would give them to him
[46:32.800 -> 46:34.320] and he would critique them and give me notes.
[46:34.320 -> 46:38.400] He was like, he was, because it was the reality too,
[46:38.400 -> 46:40.280] I don't think he was playing any character.
[46:40.280 -> 46:41.120] He was just being himself.
[46:41.120 -> 46:42.760] And he would come and sit on an ice box in the dressing room
[46:42.760 -> 46:44.960] and just talk to you and ask you about your family
[46:44.960 -> 46:45.440] and stuff like that. He was very grounded at that time. come and sit on an ice box in the dressing room and just talk to you and ask you about your family and stuff like that.
[46:45.440 -> 46:47.200] He was very grounded at that time.
[46:47.200 -> 46:49.600] Like we had a five-a-side football match and he was on the side of the pitch,
[46:49.600 -> 46:53.040] neckling us and when we lost he brought the trophy down above our head on a piece of string
[46:53.040 -> 46:54.880] and told the audience how crap we were at football.
[46:54.880 -> 46:56.560] I read a great story about him.
[46:56.560 -> 47:01.440] Did he ever tell you about when he was doing his Ashes to Ashes and he was on Brighton Beach
[47:01.440 -> 47:02.880] dressed as a clown?
[47:02.880 -> 47:03.840] Yeah, I had a video, yeah, yeah.
[47:03.840 -> 47:06.840] And he talks about the story of a guy walks in shot
[47:06.840 -> 47:08.400] and somebody said, do you not know who that is?
[47:08.400 -> 47:10.200] And the bloke walking his dog has said,
[47:10.200 -> 47:11.800] yeah, it's some in a clown suit.
[47:12.960 -> 47:16.320] And apparently he would sort of remind himself
[47:16.320 -> 47:17.160] of that phrase.
[47:17.160 -> 47:19.920] That was a phrase he would use to keep himself grounded.
[47:19.920 -> 47:20.760] He was grounded.
[47:20.760 -> 47:21.640] He was funny, man.
[47:21.640 -> 47:22.480] He was.
[47:23.680 -> 47:26.440] But yeah, I mean, what a privilege to have done that. He was obviously, he was funny man, he was. But yeah, I mean what a privilege to have done that.
[47:26.440 -> 47:31.100] He was obviously a legend, so I guess Tom Jones was about,
[47:31.100 -> 47:34.000] what I learned from Tom is how much he kind of
[47:34.000 -> 47:35.380] loves life really.
[47:35.380 -> 47:37.280] You know, you'd land, you could be in Sweden
[47:37.280 -> 47:38.720] or somewhere, Stockholm, land in,
[47:38.720 -> 47:40.120] 11 o'clock at night, everything's closed
[47:40.120 -> 47:41.880] and stuff would open up for him,
[47:41.880 -> 47:43.800] and he'd always have a good dinner.
[47:43.800 -> 47:45.600] He'd always do the things that you should be doing
[47:45.600 -> 47:48.240] in your life, because he was always that relaxed.
[47:48.240 -> 47:49.920] He didn't really have an artistic brain
[47:49.920 -> 47:52.880] in the sense of overthinking anything.
[47:52.880 -> 47:55.600] He's much more like, this is what I do,
[47:55.600 -> 47:57.520] and then I'll go out and have my dinner.
[47:57.520 -> 47:59.680] It was much more old school.
[47:59.680 -> 48:00.980] Have you got to that point yet?
[48:00.980 -> 48:02.320] No.
[48:02.320 -> 48:04.260] Are you keen to get there?
[48:04.260 -> 48:06.640] I'm not sure as a writer I'd ever get there.
[48:06.640 -> 48:12.320] I think because Tom has always, his voice is his thing and his personality and because he was
[48:12.320 -> 48:16.640] taking catalog from other people he never had to, he didn't have to go mining for the goods sort of
[48:16.640 -> 48:20.560] thing you know. When I go to work every day there's nothing there and I've got to come out of
[48:20.560 -> 48:24.320] there with something you know. It's not like your friends working in the bank but they still deal
[48:24.320 -> 48:25.320] with other people's money. I've got to go and find my money something. You know, it's not like your friends working in the bank, but they still deal with other people's money.
[48:25.320 -> 48:27.160] I've got to go and find my money, you know,
[48:27.160 -> 48:28.380] I must make it.
[48:28.380 -> 48:32.560] It's a kind of weird head space, you know.
[48:32.560 -> 48:36.060] But you're somebody that seems to be incredibly open
[48:36.060 -> 48:38.100] to experiences, whether this was like, say,
[48:38.100 -> 48:39.920] when you started on the fruit and veg stall,
[48:39.920 -> 48:41.920] or when you were a kid growing up
[48:41.920 -> 48:44.040] and you were observing your father on stage,
[48:44.040 -> 48:46.560] and you're a storyteller by nature. I love that definition
[48:47.320 -> 48:55.820] So, how have you taken these stories of characters like Bowie like Bono like Tom Jones and assimilated it into your own life?
[48:55.820 -> 48:57.560] What is the one or two?
[48:57.560 -> 49:01.400] Lessons you've taken that you have processed and that you still use
[49:01.800 -> 49:05.480] the first time I ever met Tom was in a pub and I remember sitting down with him
[49:05.480 -> 49:08.840] and he sat me and Stuart down for about
[49:08.840 -> 49:11.400] three and a half hours and every single name
[49:11.400 -> 49:13.040] we threw at him from Morecambe and Wise
[49:13.040 -> 49:15.880] to Frank Sinatra, he had an anecdote for.
[49:15.880 -> 49:18.560] And I came away from that thinking,
[49:18.560 -> 49:20.240] he could have had maybe two minutes
[49:20.240 -> 49:22.080] with each one of those people,
[49:22.080 -> 49:24.800] he could have had two weeks with each one of those people,
[49:24.800 -> 49:25.640] it doesn't really matter.
[49:25.640 -> 49:29.280] He had an experience with everybody, Elvis, Muhammad Ali,
[49:29.280 -> 49:31.700] and he would tell me jokes about all these different people.
[49:31.700 -> 49:33.500] So as you go through life, you realize,
[49:33.500 -> 49:34.580] God, all these people you meet,
[49:34.580 -> 49:37.120] you've got a tiny element of a story of all these people,
[49:37.120 -> 49:40.520] and you can carry that and use that to,
[49:40.520 -> 49:41.640] you know, whether you're on a dinner table
[49:41.640 -> 49:43.040] or wherever it might be.
[49:43.040 -> 49:46.560] And I think these people, whether it's Roger Daltrey
[49:46.560 -> 49:48.200] or when I did the teenage cancer stuff,
[49:48.200 -> 49:49.240] I did that for 20 years,
[49:49.240 -> 49:52.160] you meet all sorts of different people in this industry.
[49:52.160 -> 49:53.880] And at the end of the day,
[49:53.880 -> 49:55.320] you're learning something from everybody.
[49:55.320 -> 49:56.840] You know, that's one thing my old man told me,
[49:56.840 -> 49:58.560] you know, as a kid, you can always learn from somebody
[49:58.560 -> 49:59.600] and you can always learn from somebody
[49:59.600 -> 50:00.880] what not to do as well.
[50:00.880 -> 50:02.600] It's the two things.
[50:02.600 -> 50:04.040] It's not always about stealing something.
[50:04.040 -> 50:05.380] It's like, well, I wouldn't do that.
[50:05.380 -> 50:08.080] You know, there's a lot of things you can take.
[50:08.080 -> 50:09.480] It's about being present, isn't it?
[50:09.480 -> 50:12.100] It feels like Tom Jones is the kind of guy who is present.
[50:12.100 -> 50:13.920] So when he's with you, you get all of him.
[50:13.920 -> 50:14.760] Yes.
[50:14.760 -> 50:16.660] He's not thinking about tomorrow or sending a text message
[50:16.660 -> 50:17.980] or he's there.
[50:17.980 -> 50:20.740] So that's when you get those moments together.
[50:20.740 -> 50:22.180] That's absolutely what it is, yeah.
[50:22.180 -> 50:24.060] And I think most people are guilty of that.
[50:24.060 -> 50:26.200] Very, very few people you find who are able to do that.
[50:26.200 -> 50:27.200] You have to work hard.
[50:27.200 -> 50:28.200] You do have to work hard to be present.
[50:28.200 -> 50:29.200] Yeah.
[50:29.200 -> 50:30.200] But I don't think he does.
[50:30.200 -> 50:33.000] I think he's just naturally in that place, you know.
[50:33.000 -> 50:34.400] Are you naturally in that place?
[50:34.400 -> 50:35.400] No, I'm not.
[50:35.400 -> 50:39.080] It's a really good, I mean, John Wilkinson on the podcast you listened to, where he spoke
[50:39.080 -> 50:47.340] about all of me in every moment was his phrase, which I think is, I've used that so often in my own head.
[50:47.340 -> 50:48.680] I think I've lost years.
[50:48.680 -> 50:49.520] Do you?
[50:49.520 -> 50:50.360] Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
[50:50.360 -> 50:53.840] I've lost years worrying and not being present in the room
[50:53.840 -> 50:57.460] and my head has took me down so many wormholes in my life
[50:57.460 -> 51:00.080] that I've lost so much time from doing it.
[51:00.080 -> 51:02.280] And that's one thing in the future
[51:02.280 -> 51:04.240] I'd never want to continue to do.
[51:04.240 -> 51:07.920] It's an occupational hazard in some ways because the places you go to brings out
[51:07.920 -> 51:12.360] some gold sometimes, but unfortunately you can miss moments in your life that
[51:12.360 -> 51:13.120] are right in front of you.
[51:13.280 -> 51:15.840] I wonder whether you have to go there though, to do what you've done.
[51:15.840 -> 51:17.520] Like a lot of worry.
[51:17.880 -> 51:21.080] Like I always, my wife worries a lot and I always say to her, it's
[51:21.080 -> 51:22.320] your brain playing a trick.
[51:22.480 -> 51:22.760] Yeah.
[51:23.440 -> 51:25.680] But in some ways you have to let your brain
[51:25.680 -> 51:27.480] play tricks on you and do some crazy stuff,
[51:27.480 -> 51:29.800] because that's where your little bit of magic just,
[51:29.800 -> 51:32.560] you know, and is it going to be the worry trick
[51:32.560 -> 51:33.760] or is it going to be the magic trick?
[51:33.760 -> 51:35.540] You only find out when you open the door, right?
[51:35.540 -> 51:37.800] It's true, and you know, if I've gone to see people
[51:37.800 -> 51:39.120] about it over the years, you know, it's like,
[51:39.120 -> 51:41.080] well, I'm never going to be a guy
[51:41.080 -> 51:42.840] that's going to take medication to level off
[51:42.840 -> 51:44.360] whatever I'm feeling, this, that, and the other,
[51:44.360 -> 51:48.000] because, you know, what I do is guy that's going to take medication to level off whatever I'm feeling, this, that, and the other, because what I do is what, that's what it is.
[51:48.000 -> 51:50.000] It's that kind of thing.
[51:50.000 -> 51:52.000] But you're absolutely right, it's going forward.
[51:52.000 -> 51:55.000] It doesn't mean you can't get gold from being present either,
[51:55.000 -> 51:57.000] because you're seeing more.
[51:57.000 -> 51:59.000] So it's a new episode for me, for sure,
[51:59.000 -> 52:01.000] and I'm making new boundaries in my life
[52:01.000 -> 52:03.000] and trying to do new things and different things
[52:03.000 -> 52:05.720] because I think it's standing up to the fear, really,
[52:05.720 -> 52:07.020] and the vulnerability of it all
[52:07.020 -> 52:08.660] and trying to make it like, well,
[52:08.660 -> 52:11.020] challenge it in a different way.
[52:11.020 -> 52:12.260] Brilliant, it's been so nice to sit
[52:12.260 -> 52:14.500] and chat for the last hour.
[52:14.500 -> 52:16.040] Therapy, are you an advocate?
[52:16.040 -> 52:17.040] I am, yeah.
[52:17.960 -> 52:21.340] I've used it on and off in my life.
[52:21.340 -> 52:22.680] I've had a lot of stuff going on in my life
[52:22.680 -> 52:24.220] at different times and like I said,
[52:24.220 -> 52:26.460] I'm using it now as well with what Colby's going through.
[52:26.460 -> 52:28.560] So I think it works for different people.
[52:28.560 -> 52:29.800] Some people don't get off on it,
[52:29.800 -> 52:31.920] but I think if it can help you through certain times,
[52:31.920 -> 52:34.180] then yeah, some people can't talk,
[52:34.180 -> 52:35.920] and some people find it better writing stuff down
[52:35.920 -> 52:40.080] or whatever, you know, but I feel it's worked for me
[52:40.080 -> 52:42.800] because I think I can articulate and express stuff
[52:42.800 -> 52:44.840] and get something back from it, but yeah.
[52:44.840 -> 52:47.040] And it doesn't have to be a formal 50-quid-an-hour therapy.
[52:47.040 -> 52:49.800] Sometimes just a conversation like this about
[52:49.800 -> 52:50.880] approach to life is...
[52:50.880 -> 52:53.160] I mean, every other week I'm rehearsals with the boys,
[52:53.160 -> 52:54.200] it's like a therapy session.
[52:54.200 -> 52:55.880] After I walk in the studio, it's a therapy session
[52:55.880 -> 52:57.440] with somebody, somebody's having some drama,
[52:57.440 -> 52:58.800] it goes on forever.
[52:58.800 -> 53:00.040] Listen, we've got some quickfire questions
[53:00.040 -> 53:01.600] to finish the pod with.
[53:01.600 -> 53:04.440] What are your three non-negotiable behaviors
[53:04.440 -> 53:06.720] that people around you have to buy into?
[53:06.720 -> 53:09.160] I don't really tolerate fools.
[53:09.160 -> 53:10.000] Honesty.
[53:10.000 -> 53:11.320] Yeah.
[53:11.320 -> 53:12.480] And reliable.
[53:14.680 -> 53:16.680] So what advice would you give a teenage Kelly
[53:16.680 -> 53:19.040] just starting out on his journey?
[53:19.040 -> 53:20.480] I was pretty chilled out when I was fucking there.
[53:20.480 -> 53:22.560] I wouldn't be there now.
[53:23.880 -> 53:24.840] I wouldn't really change it.
[53:24.840 -> 53:25.780] I would probably say
[53:25.780 -> 53:27.600] just get your head down and go for whatever it is
[53:27.600 -> 53:30.100] you're after, really, because I think it's all possible.
[53:30.100 -> 53:31.720] And I genuinely believe that.
[53:31.720 -> 53:33.400] I think if you put your mind to it,
[53:33.400 -> 53:34.680] not to sound like Back to the Future,
[53:34.680 -> 53:36.500] but I think the problem most kids have
[53:36.500 -> 53:38.620] is they can't find the thing that they want to do.
[53:38.620 -> 53:40.300] And that's why I'm grateful now for, in my instance,
[53:40.300 -> 53:42.260] my oldest, Colby, has realized that the thing
[53:42.260 -> 53:43.960] he wants to do is like this digital design thing,
[53:43.960 -> 53:46.100] and now he's found this course in this place
[53:46.100 -> 53:48.100] where he can go with like-minded kids.
[53:48.100 -> 53:51.160] So it doesn't matter if he does well in maths, English,
[53:51.160 -> 53:52.900] this, that, and the other, he knows what he wants to do,
[53:52.900 -> 53:54.580] and so as long as he gets the things he wants to get
[53:54.580 -> 53:56.540] from those subjects that can actually take him
[53:56.540 -> 53:58.780] to that place, then that's one step.
[53:58.780 -> 54:03.440] And I think try to do things in smaller chunk sizes, really,
[54:03.440 -> 54:05.120] because I think we all tend to go
[54:05.120 -> 54:07.040] look at another massive picture and become overwhelmed,
[54:07.040 -> 54:09.440] so I would take small bits at a time.
[54:09.440 -> 54:11.360] Find your passion.
[54:11.360 -> 54:13.400] This can be any definition you choose.
[54:13.400 -> 54:14.560] Are you happy?
[54:14.560 -> 54:15.480] Yeah, I am happy.
[54:15.480 -> 54:17.480] I'm blessed in the house I've got
[54:17.480 -> 54:19.680] and the family I've got, yeah, I am, yeah.
[54:19.680 -> 54:20.720] Good.
[54:20.720 -> 54:23.600] So how important is legacy to you?
[54:23.600 -> 54:25.720] I think it used to be a lot more important to me, legacy,
[54:25.720 -> 54:28.360] because when you're younger, you've got this,
[54:28.360 -> 54:30.200] not an ego like you've got an ego,
[54:30.200 -> 54:32.360] but there's a part of you that thinks,
[54:32.360 -> 54:33.200] there's a moment in your life you think,
[54:33.200 -> 54:34.880] who's going to play me in a film?
[54:34.880 -> 54:36.280] And then you realize, well, nobody's going to make a film
[54:36.280 -> 54:37.120] before you, mate.
[54:38.240 -> 54:39.800] Hold on, one's just been released.
[54:39.800 -> 54:40.640] Yeah, but I'm in it.
[54:40.640 -> 54:41.480] I know what you mean.
[54:41.480 -> 54:42.320] You know what I mean?
[54:42.320 -> 54:46.580] So legacy, I guess, for me, has always been a catalog of stuff
[54:46.580 -> 54:48.160] that will stand the test of time, really,
[54:48.160 -> 54:52.120] as long as the work I do still holds true years to come.
[54:52.120 -> 54:54.540] And finally, for those people listening to this,
[54:54.540 -> 54:57.240] what would you say is your one golden rule
[54:57.240 -> 54:59.160] to living a high-performance life?
[54:59.160 -> 55:02.340] The one final message you'd like to leave people with?
[55:02.340 -> 55:04.740] Don't take it too seriously.
[55:04.740 -> 55:05.640] Yeah. From a man who probably has't take it too seriously. Yeah.
[55:05.640 -> 55:07.800] From a man who probably has at times over the years.
[55:07.800 -> 55:10.540] Yeah, don't take it too seriously, yeah.
[55:10.540 -> 55:11.760] Listen, thanks so much for sitting down
[55:11.760 -> 55:13.480] and chatting with us.
[55:13.480 -> 55:15.720] The film, Don't Let the Devil Take Another Day,
[55:15.720 -> 55:18.680] is for anyone that wants to find out even more about you,
[55:18.680 -> 55:20.320] it's well worth watching.
[55:20.320 -> 55:23.040] It's an amazingly moving film, totally honest.
[55:23.040 -> 55:28.960] And I think that when we sit here and have a conversation conversation whether it's those early days when you set the band up and you got rejection after
[55:29.080 -> 55:31.080] rejection after rejection or when you had
[55:31.360 -> 55:36.000] Five number one albums on the spin then you released an album that went to number 11 in the charts
[55:36.000 -> 55:39.820] And I know at the time the label went. Oh, well, you're done now. You can just write songs for other people
[55:39.820 -> 55:41.560] That's right. You know
[55:41.560 -> 55:43.560] losing a bandmate or
[55:43.640 -> 55:45.720] Your son coming out as trans.
[55:46.580 -> 55:48.900] There's always things that you've had to deal with
[55:48.900 -> 55:50.340] over the years, and I think at times,
[55:50.340 -> 55:52.440] we can get obsessed with the fact that
[55:52.440 -> 55:53.700] this is something that I can't cope with,
[55:53.700 -> 55:55.920] and it's only on reflection that you realize
[55:55.920 -> 55:58.240] all the brilliant stuff that's happened to you
[55:58.240 -> 56:00.080] is because of those moments.
[56:00.080 -> 56:02.760] It is, I mean, 2019 was unbelievable, man.
[56:02.760 -> 56:05.640] It was Colby telling me he wanted to be a boy.
[56:05.720 -> 56:07.520] I had a throat surgery.
[56:07.720 -> 56:10.720] We had, um, I was just about to play Latitude.
[56:10.720 -> 56:12.160] Jackie had a miscarriage with twins.
[56:12.560 -> 56:17.240] It was, it was so much going on in, in, in one period of time, all happening.
[56:17.280 -> 56:21.520] And it's not until you watch that film back, you actually realize, you know, what
[56:21.520 -> 56:29.080] was going on behind the eyes really, uh, it's quite, it's quite alarming what, what people can go through, you know what was going on behind the eyes really it's quite it's quite alarming what what people can go through you know but yeah it is it is
[56:29.080 -> 56:31.480] those things that get you out the other side like I said I probably wouldn't be
[56:31.480 -> 56:34.840] talking the way I'm talking if I hadn't gone through it unfortunately you have
[56:34.840 -> 56:40.160] to go through it anyway. Sure yeah but as a viewer Kelly I'd say that I came out
[56:40.160 -> 56:44.560] with an enhanced level of respect for you that not only were you a survivor but you
[56:44.560 -> 56:46.960] came with dignity as well so thank you for sharing it.
[56:46.960 -> 56:49.280] Thank you very much man. Appreciate that.
[56:49.280 -> 56:50.280] Damien.
[56:50.280 -> 56:51.280] Jake.
[56:51.280 -> 56:56.800] You know that feeling when you get someone and you just sense it's the right time to
[56:56.800 -> 56:57.800] have a conversation?
[56:57.800 -> 57:04.320] Very much, yeah. I think he was open, he was candid and he was incredibly honest.
[57:04.320 -> 57:06.480] And part of me, while the interview was going on,
[57:06.480 -> 57:07.460] I was thinking, hold on a minute,
[57:07.460 -> 57:09.600] we're talking about struggle and strife
[57:09.600 -> 57:12.520] and learnings and difficulties and expressing yourself.
[57:12.520 -> 57:16.080] Like, we're talking to a guy who has sold millions
[57:16.080 -> 57:17.760] and millions of albums around the world.
[57:17.760 -> 57:21.320] He's been in one of the most successful British music bands
[57:21.320 -> 57:23.000] that I can ever remember.
[57:23.000 -> 57:25.840] Like, why didn't we talk more about the highs and the
[57:25.840 -> 57:28.180] successes, but I just think it's so important to remind
[57:28.180 -> 57:31.380] ourselves and our listeners that a bit like the iceberg
[57:31.380 -> 57:33.880] analogy we used, sometimes you look at someone and you
[57:33.880 -> 57:36.600] see the tip and think, wow, what a great and easy life
[57:36.600 -> 57:39.320] that is, but everyone is having these struggles.
[57:39.720 -> 57:40.340] Absolutely.
[57:40.340 -> 57:43.840] And I think that's more, that's more useful for people
[57:43.840 -> 57:46.120] to hear that, you know, his story
[57:46.120 -> 57:52.560] about growing up in a small town and having just the passion to go and learn his craft,
[57:52.560 -> 57:57.760] learn the technique of being a musician is valuable for anyone to hear it, you know,
[57:57.760 -> 58:01.880] taking your friends on the road and eventually having to decide that people won't always
[58:01.880 -> 58:03.840] come with you on that journey.
[58:03.840 -> 58:05.560] You know, there's the, we've used the phrase before, seasons, reasons and lifetimes that people are't always come with you on that journey. You know, we've used the phrase before,
[58:05.560 -> 58:07.840] seasons, reasons, and lifetimes
[58:07.840 -> 58:09.380] that people are with us for.
[58:09.380 -> 58:12.720] I think they're all valuable tools for any of us,
[58:12.720 -> 58:15.620] whatever endeavor that we're focused on,
[58:15.620 -> 58:17.220] on achieving high performance in.
[58:17.220 -> 58:20.780] And I think you can trace back everything he's done
[58:20.780 -> 58:22.460] to the roots that he was given
[58:22.460 -> 58:25.560] in that little Welsh village all those years ago, can't you?
[58:25.560 -> 58:26.560] Yeah, definitely.
[58:26.560 -> 58:33.000] You know, I think the example of his father going off and pursuing it himself and him
[58:33.000 -> 58:38.040] taking it then to the next level, you know, his friendship with Stuart that was six doors
[58:38.040 -> 58:44.760] down from him, just that discipline of the boxing club that he spoke about at 10 or 11
[58:44.760 -> 58:45.400] years old.
[58:45.400 -> 58:47.920] There's so many threads there
[58:47.920 -> 58:50.040] that are still running through his life today.
[58:50.040 -> 58:52.480] And when you can tell your kids a story
[58:52.480 -> 58:54.140] about what David Bowie told you
[58:54.140 -> 58:55.360] when you were sharing a stage
[58:55.360 -> 58:57.340] before you went and had a chat with Bono
[58:57.340 -> 58:59.240] before appearing in Live 8,
[58:59.240 -> 59:01.440] you know that's a life lived.
[59:01.440 -> 59:03.320] Yeah, that's a fairly,
[59:03.320 -> 59:05.920] that's in a game of top trumps as a parent, I think
[59:05.920 -> 59:07.320] he wins that one.
[59:07.320 -> 59:08.320] Definitely.
[59:08.320 -> 59:09.320] Thanks, mate.
[59:09.320 -> 59:10.320] Thank you.
[59:10.320 -> 59:16.200] Damian, I've really enjoyed that conversation with Kelly.
[59:16.200 -> 59:20.200] And, um, as, as always, you and I, we get sent a kind of little preview copy to have
[59:20.200 -> 59:21.200] a listen to.
[59:21.200 -> 59:25.600] And I did the school run a couple of days ago and the, the preview episode dropped into my inbox, you know, have a listen to this I did the school run a couple of days ago and the preview episode
[59:25.600 -> 59:27.000] dropped into my inbox, you know,
[59:27.000 -> 59:28.320] have a listen to this, see what you think.
[59:28.320 -> 59:31.760] And a few minutes in, Harriet was crying
[59:31.760 -> 59:35.040] listening to Kelly talking about fear,
[59:35.040 -> 59:37.080] about sacrifice, but also about parenting.
[59:37.080 -> 59:39.200] And it was a moving episode, wasn't it?
[59:39.200 -> 59:40.960] And not the sort of thing that I think
[59:40.960 -> 59:43.160] you would have heard from Kelly before.
[59:43.160 -> 59:47.000] No, I think what really struck me about it, Jake, was how vulnerable he was and how he embraced that. y peth y byddwch chi wedi clywed o Kelly yn gyntaf? Na, rwy'n credu y byddai'n ddiddorol i mi yw sut oedd y gynhyrchol y gynhyrchol
[59:47.000 -> 59:51.000] a sut y gafodd ei hymdrechu. Rwy'n credu, rwy'n gwybod bod hynny'n ffrasau
[59:51.000 -> 59:55.000] a ddefnyddiodd yn llawer yn ein cyfanswm, ond, wyt ti'n gwybod,
[59:55.000 -> 59:59.000] o'r gwst i allan, rydych chi'n gweld y gods rhwg fel Kelly,
[59:59.000 -> 01:00:02.000] maen nhw'n edrych fel eu bod yn swagorio, maen nhw'n hyderus,
[01:00:02.000 -> 01:00:06.360] maen nhw'n gael gwybod o bopeth, ac rwy'n credu oedd yn dod i mewn ac oedd yn hyderus, oedd yn hyderus, They're swaggering. They're uber confident. They've got an answer for everything and I think he came in and he was humble
[01:00:06.360 -> 01:00:11.540] He was quiet and he was prepared to listen and I felt that when we asked him a question
[01:00:11.540 -> 01:00:16.760] He gave us eye contact and there was an intensity to him that that made me really warm to him
[01:00:16.760 -> 01:00:18.800] Yeah, and I hope for you listening to that at home
[01:00:18.800 -> 01:00:22.960] It's just another reminder that and we spoke didn't we in the podcast about this iceberg?
[01:00:23.200 -> 01:00:25.280] Effect where you see a little bit on the surface and there's so much going on below the surface a dweud, dydyn ni yn y podcast am y pwysau iceberg yma lle rydych chi'n gweld y peth ychydig ar y
[01:00:25.280 -> 01:00:29.200] llaeth ac mae llawer yn digwydd ar ddiwedd y laeth. Rwy'n gobeithio yw'n adnodd i chi y tu hwn
[01:00:29.200 -> 01:00:34.960] fod llawer mwy yn digwydd yn y meddwl o bobl sy'n edrych o'r gwst i'n
[01:00:34.960 -> 01:00:40.720] ddifrifol ac yn ddigon cyffrous, ond efallai eu bod yn anodd. Ie, mae cwota'n ddiddorol
[01:00:40.720 -> 01:00:49.680] yma, rwy'n credu ei fod yn cael ei ddod o'r ffordd i bo bobl gwahanol ond mae'n dweud bod yn dda oherwydd pawb rydych chi'n gwrthod yn ffwrdd o fawr. Ac rwy'n credu mai dyna'n adnodd da
[01:00:49.680 -> 01:00:54.480] o ran y gysylltiadau Celi, y byddwn ni'n ddod yn dda oherwydd mae gennyn nhw eu hyn o fawr,
[01:00:54.480 -> 01:00:59.360] mae gennyn nhw eu hyn o broblemau, oherwydd y gofynnaeth o ddod yn nhw o'r holl ffwrdd o ddod yn nhw o'r holl ffwrdd o
[01:00:59.360 -> 01:01:07.740] broblemau o'u teithu, rwy'n credu bod y dda oherwydd y gysylltiadau o'u teithu, mae'n bob amser yn Family issues that they're working through that I think that kindness is always a superpower as is a cuddle as Kelly told us
[01:01:08.080 -> 01:01:11.740] Low loads of comments this week. Here's one for you. You need to get on the phone
[01:01:11.740 -> 01:01:17.780] I think because Ian said your mission if you choose to accept it Jake and Damien is to put Johnny Wilkinson and Matthew McConaughey
[01:01:17.860 -> 01:01:24.900] In the same room for a future high-performance podcast would be even more mind-blowing than the two individual episodes
[01:01:24.900 -> 01:01:28.400] This tweet will not self-destruct after five seconds I like
[01:01:28.400 -> 01:01:31.880] that one. I like the idea of getting people together I think we've spoken
[01:01:31.880 -> 01:01:36.480] about that haven't we about getting the maybe previous rivals that in a room and
[01:01:36.480 -> 01:01:40.280] sharing different perspectives on each other and I think that flexibility of
[01:01:40.280 -> 01:01:43.880] seeing the world from a different lens is a is something that really intrigues
[01:01:43.880 -> 01:01:48.120] us. Actually rivals but also people who kind of lifted
[01:01:48.120 -> 01:01:51.480] each other up, you know, people who were in the same field,
[01:01:51.480 -> 01:01:53.120] the same dressing room, the same boardroom,
[01:01:53.120 -> 01:01:55.160] and were kind of carried along by each other.
[01:01:55.160 -> 01:01:58.040] I'll tell you what, actually, if you're listening to this,
[01:01:58.040 -> 01:02:00.200] just send us a message if you wouldn't mind.
[01:02:00.200 -> 01:02:02.400] Either leave it where you leave the reviews,
[01:02:02.400 -> 01:02:05.720] where you get your podcasts, or get in touch with us on social media
[01:02:05.900 -> 01:02:09.160] High performance on Instagram Damien's that liquid thinker
[01:02:09.200 -> 01:02:13.760] Maybe just let us know who you would like us to speak to for a for a kind of head-to-head
[01:02:14.360 -> 01:02:21.600] Double double guest high performance podcast. Um another one here from Instagram and this is from an inspired new listener. Hi
[01:02:21.600 -> 01:02:26.240] I just want to say wow, I've just discovered the high-performance podcast and I absolutely love it
[01:02:26.240 -> 01:02:34.540] I've just started flicking through and picking pods at random. They're so interesting inspiring and informative and the range of guests from ant Middleton
[01:02:34.540 -> 01:02:39.460] So Clive Woodward through to Lily Cole is amazing. So keep up the good work guys. Thank you so much
[01:02:39.460 -> 01:02:45.240] And there was another one Damien and this is from Georgepatrick, and I shouted this out on my social media,
[01:02:45.240 -> 01:02:47.220] just, and he says,
[01:02:47.220 -> 01:02:49.440] "'Securing great guests will attract listeners.
[01:02:49.440 -> 01:02:51.660] "'Asking great questions will keep them,
[01:02:51.660 -> 01:02:53.760] "'continuously impressed by the thoughtfulness
[01:02:53.760 -> 01:02:55.520] "'and candidness of the questions asked
[01:02:55.520 -> 01:02:59.760] "'and the meticulous exploration of often complex topics.
[01:02:59.760 -> 01:03:01.440] "'Jake and Damien are clearly proactive
[01:03:01.440 -> 01:03:04.620] "'in their preparation, but equally commendably reactive
[01:03:04.620 -> 01:03:05.440] "'in how they listen
[01:03:05.440 -> 01:03:10.880] and direct the conversations and respond to what guests are actually saying truly inspirational
[01:03:10.880 -> 01:03:15.440] obsessed i mean what a what an amazing comment from george i think the first thing is to say to
[01:03:15.440 -> 01:03:20.560] you george and everyone else we go through the ratings and the reviews on um on the podcast
[01:03:20.560 -> 01:03:27.920] providers we see them they give us energy we react them, so please keep them coming. I think the other thing, right Damien, is if you take
[01:03:27.920 -> 01:03:32.960] something really good and put it on either, I don't know, BBC One or NBC at 7 o'clock
[01:03:32.960 -> 01:03:35.760] in the evening, like you will get lots of people watching because it's on a
[01:03:35.760 -> 01:03:40.720] mainstream channel at a mainstream time. When you create something like the
[01:03:40.720 -> 01:03:48.760] High Performance Podcast, people have to actively go and find it and I think that's why I'm so touched when we get the list of numbers
[01:03:48.760 -> 01:03:53.440] that we're enjoying. Yeah definitely I think that one of the key phrases
[01:03:53.440 -> 01:03:57.400] that we've spoken about in high performance is about choice. You know
[01:03:57.400 -> 01:04:00.680] high performers don't find themselves there by accident, they've made a very
[01:04:00.680 -> 01:04:06.080] deliberate choice to commit to going after whatever their targets or their ambitions are and I think that applies to anybody that's good enough and kind a chael gwneud penderfyniad ychydig yn ddiwethaf i'w gweithio, i fynd i mewn i bair o'u targedau a'u ambysiyniadau.
[01:04:06.080 -> 01:04:11.840] Ac rwy'n credu bod hynny'n cymryd i unrhyw un sy'n dda o lawer ac yn dda o lawer i ddod â ni ar y cyfnod hon.
[01:04:11.840 -> 01:04:16.640] Mae'n gwneud penderfyniad y byddent am ddeall y pwysigrwyddau o leiaf,
[01:04:16.640 -> 01:04:22.560] ac yna penderfyniad yw sut maen nhw'n dewis i ddweud, ymgeisio a rhannu at eu bywydau eu hunain.
[01:04:22.560 -> 01:04:28.000] Felly mae'n dod yn ôl i'r adroddirs bwysig am bobl yn dewis gwneud hynny.
[01:04:28.000 -> 01:04:33.000] Ac rwy'n gwybod, rwy'n siarad am ni bob un a'r holl team o'r cyfrifoldeb,
[01:04:33.000 -> 01:04:45.200] rydyn ni'n ddiolchgar pan fydd pobl yn gwneud y penderfyniad hwnnw i'n ymgyrchu. Rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, rydyn ni And I know that for some people, they get the high performance podcast on and they listen to it and it makes them feel good
[01:04:45.200 -> 01:04:48.000] or a bit emotional, or it feeds their soul in some way.
[01:04:48.000 -> 01:04:49.380] And that's lovely as well.
[01:04:49.380 -> 01:04:50.600] But when people get in touch and say,
[01:04:50.600 -> 01:04:54.240] we are actively changing the way that they work,
[01:04:54.240 -> 01:04:55.640] or there's a guy that got in touch to say
[01:04:55.640 -> 01:04:58.280] he was doing a charity walk and the podcast accompanied him
[01:04:58.280 -> 01:05:00.000] and inspired him on every single step
[01:05:00.000 -> 01:05:01.840] of that attempt to raise money.
[01:05:01.840 -> 01:05:05.220] Those real world impacts of the pod are like, wow,
[01:05:05.220 -> 01:05:07.180] that's everything.
[01:05:07.180 -> 01:05:08.420] Well, again, it comes back to that phrase
[01:05:08.420 -> 01:05:09.440] that we've used before, Jay,
[01:05:09.440 -> 01:05:10.820] that we're not doing this for the income,
[01:05:10.820 -> 01:05:12.300] we're doing it for the outcome.
[01:05:12.300 -> 01:05:14.820] And the outcome for both of us is that we want to try
[01:05:14.820 -> 01:05:18.020] and make a positive difference to people and their lives.
[01:05:18.020 -> 01:05:21.300] And if people are finding some of this content useful,
[01:05:21.300 -> 01:05:23.780] that is a real validation for both of us
[01:05:23.780 -> 01:05:25.040] that gives us a huge
[01:05:25.040 -> 01:05:29.760] buzz so yeah thank you for anyone that shares that. I know that because we can't be together
[01:05:29.760 -> 01:05:33.680] with COVID and everything we're recording these wrap-ups and stuff over video call Damien so you're
[01:05:33.680 -> 01:05:38.320] at home so am I. Have you got any books near you because Timmy on insta has said I wondered if you
[01:05:38.320 -> 01:05:43.360] guys would be up for just giving me a quick book recommendation. Thanks very much keep up the good
[01:05:43.360 -> 01:05:45.000] work the podcast is changing
[01:05:45.000 -> 01:05:49.040] people's mindsets I'll start I've got no I just bought this actually a couple
[01:05:49.040 -> 01:05:54.040] days ago and Sunil who's the CEO at whisper our production company I've sent
[01:05:54.040 -> 01:05:59.320] him a copy as well for Christmas and it is no rules rules by Reed Hastings and
[01:05:59.320 -> 01:06:04.120] Erin Meyer Reed Hastings of course was the Netflix co-founder and the CEO and
[01:06:04.120 -> 01:06:09.120] effectively it's um it's the first book that that they've done and it's just
[01:06:09.120 -> 01:06:13.360] it's interviews with Netflix employees around the globe and it's stories from
[01:06:13.360 -> 01:06:18.280] their career creating Netflix and being disruptive and thinking without
[01:06:18.280 -> 01:06:22.880] boundaries and thinking outside the box and not taking the status quo as the way
[01:06:22.880 -> 01:06:26.400] things have to be and that is no rules rules it's going to be my motto for 2021 box a ddim yn cymryd y status quo fel y mae'r pethau yn rhaid iddo fod, ac dyna dydyn ni ddim yn y rhaid i ddewis rhaid,
[01:06:26.400 -> 01:06:30.320] mae'n mynd i fod yn fy motto ar gyfer 2021, rydw i'n mynd i ceisio meddwl whanno'r rhanfawriaethau.
[01:06:30.320 -> 01:06:33.760] Brif, ac mae'n ddiddorol i feddwl am sut y bydd Sonil a'r rhan fwyaf o'r tîm yn
[01:06:33.760 -> 01:06:38.640] Wispa yn mynd i'w ddewis a'i ddefnyddio hefyd. Ie, byddwn yn gweld. Rwy'n cael y llyfr hwn,
[01:06:38.640 -> 01:06:43.120] The Passion Paradox, sy'n cael fy nghyflawni ar y pryd gan un o'r tywyr yn ymwneud â Brad Storberg a Steve Magnus.
[01:06:43.760 -> 01:07:10.280] Maen nhw'n ysgrifennu llyfr da iawn am ymdrechion cyflawni, ac mae'r frfrase o'r Stephen Gerrard, o ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r ffordd i ddod o'r fford work for you. So that's a book I definitely recommend. And it reminds me of a phrase I'll leave you with, hard work without passion is just hard
[01:07:10.280 -> 01:07:15.640] work. Passion without hard work is just passion. You've got to have one, you've got to have
[01:07:15.640 -> 01:07:20.800] the other as well. And finally, Kevin Graham, we haven't got time to play it here, but Kevin
[01:07:20.800 -> 01:07:26.240] left us a video message on Twitter. And he loved the conversation with Matthew McConaughey so much
[01:07:26.240 -> 01:07:29.080] He was inspired to leave us a message and we love seeing that sort of stuff
[01:07:29.080 -> 01:07:35.960] So thank you very much Kevin and everyone else that's got in touch in touch with us this week another interesting episode Damien
[01:07:37.120 -> 01:07:44.320] Amazing. Yeah, real real privilege to to record it and hopefully people get equal satisfaction from listening
[01:07:44.480 -> 01:07:48.960] to record it and hopefully people get equal satisfaction from listening. Absolutely. Damien, as always, huge thanks to you. Thank you very much to Will and Hannah
[01:07:48.960 -> 01:07:55.200] for their hard work on the podcast, to Finn Ryan at Rethink Audio as well. Please do rate the pod,
[01:07:55.200 -> 01:07:59.600] review the pod, it makes a huge difference to us. Find us on YouTube, type in High Performance
[01:07:59.600 -> 01:08:04.720] Podcast, you can watch the interviews as well as listen to them and just continue to talk about,
[01:08:04.720 -> 01:08:06.520] to shout out the podcast to share
[01:08:06.520 -> 01:08:08.840] It with your friends to use it for inspiration
[01:08:08.940 -> 01:08:10.580] The more you talk about it
[01:08:10.580 -> 01:08:15.740] The more other people see it the more other people see it the more people that listen to it and the more we can grow
[01:08:16.140 -> 01:08:22.640] This ever-expanding community Damian top man. Thanks. Have a wonderful week. Okay, you too loved it as always wonderful
[01:08:22.640 -> 01:08:26.000] I really hope you enjoyed this episode of the High Performance Podcast
[01:08:26.000 -> 01:08:29.000] and there is another one on its way very soon. Thanks a lot.
[01:08:44.020 -> 01:08:47.820] Bye!