E198 - Tom Grennan: How I flipped adversity into energy

Today we welcome musician Tom Grennan to The High Performance Podcast. I’m sure you immediately start to think of some of the awesome songs that Tom’s released, but there is so much about his story, his mindset and resilience that you don’t know. You’re about to hear a conversation with Tom, like you’ve never heard him before.

He’s going to share with you the hours of therapy he’s had, which has helped him when approaching any challenge in life to flip his thoughts. He can transform typically negative emotions, like envy or doubt, into positives. The most notable example of this is when he was the victim of a random attack. He could have been really badly derailed by it, but through a lot of work he was able to completely change his mindset.

Tom has had some really tough moments, but he has come through them. I can’t tell you what a pleasure it was to sit down with someone as humble, determined, talented and deep-thinking as Tom Grennan.

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## Tom Grennan: From Football Dreams to Chart-topping Musician

### Introduction

In this episode of the High Performance Podcast, Jake Humphrey sits down with musician Tom Grennan for an in-depth conversation. Tom shares his journey from aspiring footballer to successful musician, highlighting the challenges, mindset shifts, and resilience that shaped his career.

### Key Points:

1. **Football to Music:** Tom's initial dream was to become a professional footballer, but an injury and a lack of confidence led him to pursue music.

2. **Finding His Voice:** Tom discovered his singing talent during a karaoke session and realized he could captivate an audience. He joined a band and began performing in local pubs.

3. **Overcoming Self-Doubt:** Tom struggled with self-doubt and negative thoughts, particularly when comparing himself to others. He learned to flip these thoughts into positives, transforming envy and doubt into motivation.

4. **The Attack:** Tom experienced a traumatic attack that left him with a broken jaw and PTSD. This event forced him to confront his mental health and develop coping mechanisms.

5. **Flipping Negatives:** Tom credits therapy for helping him develop the ability to turn negative emotions and experiences into positive ones. He uses this mindset to fuel his determination and creativity.

6. **Hard Work and Determination:** Tom emphasized the importance of hard work and relentless pursuit of his goals. He spent countless hours practicing guitar and promoting his music, even when faced with rejection.

7. **Standing Out:** Tom believes in being true to himself and not worrying about what others think. He encourages listeners to embrace their individuality and not let criticism or negativity hold them back.

8. **Proving the Naysayers Wrong:** Tom admits to still feeling the fire of proving those who doubted him wrong. He finds motivation in the desire to achieve success and make a positive impact on people's lives.

9. **Relentlessness:** Tom's relentless pursuit of success stems from two significant events in his life: a random attack that left him traumatized and the death of his cousin in a car accident. These experiences taught him the value of life and the importance of making a lasting impact.

10. **AG1 Partnership:** Tom highlights his partnership with AG1, an all-in-one multivitamin that provides him with essential nutrients to support his high-performance lifestyle.

### Conclusion

Tom Grennan's journey from football to music is a testament to his resilience, determination, and ability to overcome challenges. His emphasis on flipping negative thoughts into positives, embracing individuality, and relentlessly pursuing his goals serves as an inspiration for anyone seeking high performance in their own lives.

**I. Introduction**

A. The podcast episode features musician Tom Grennan, known for his songs and unique mindset.

B. Grennan shares his experiences with therapy, which has helped him transform typically negative emotions into positive ones.

C. Grennan has faced tough moments but has emerged stronger, demonstrating resilience and a deep-thinking nature.

**II. Embracing Optimism**

A. Grennan's lyrics often reflect his optimistic outlook, believing in a brighter future despite challenges.

B. He emphasizes the importance of embracing optimism in today's world, encouraging others to find creative outlets for self-expression.

C. Grennan's journey from facing adversity to achieving success highlights the power of optimism and perseverance.

**III. Dyslexia as a Super Strength**

A. Grennan's dyslexia, initially seen as a setback, has become a strength in his creative process.

B. He explains his unique method of songwriting, using a "washing line" theory to connect words and create meaningful lyrics.

C. Grennan's dyslexia has allowed him to develop a distinct writing style that resonates with audiences.

**IV. Overcoming Failure and Embracing Learning**

A. Grennan embraces failure as an opportunity for growth and improvement.

B. He enjoys experimenting and pushing himself out of his comfort zone, seeking new challenges.

C. Grennan's approach to failure and learning reflects his belief in continuous improvement and self-development.

**V. Dealing with Success and Competition**

A. As Grennan's career progresses, he faces increased pressure to maintain success and surpass expectations.

B. He acknowledges the challenges of dealing with success and the fear of failure that comes with it.

C. Grennan's response to competition is to focus on his own journey and not compare himself to others.

**VI. The Importance of Mental Strength**

A. Grennan emphasizes the significance of mental strength in achieving success and overcoming obstacles.

B. He describes his mental strength as "bulletproof" and attributes it to his ability to flip negative thoughts into positive ones.

C. Grennan's mental resilience has been instrumental in his personal and professional growth.

**VII. Making Tough Decisions and Distancing from Negativity**

A. Grennan discusses the importance of making tough decisions to protect his mental well-being.

B. He explains how he distanced himself from certain people and unhealthy habits, such as excessive alcohol consumption.

C. Grennan's emphasis on self-care and surrounding himself with positivity highlights the need for a supportive environment.

**VIII. Advice for Aspiring Artists and Embracing Discomfort**

A. Grennan advises aspiring artists to stay true to themselves and enjoy the journey.

B. He encourages them to embrace discomfort and challenges as opportunities for growth.

C. Grennan's message emphasizes the importance of perseverance and resilience in the pursuit of success.

**IX. The Golden Rule for a High-Performance Life**

A. Grennan's golden rule for living a high-performance life is to enjoy the journey and embrace discomfort.

B. He believes that being uncomfortable indicates progress and personal growth.

C. Grennan's philosophy challenges the traditional notions of success and emphasizes the importance of fulfillment and personal well-being.

**X. Conclusion**

A. The conversation with Tom Grennan highlights the power of optimism, resilience, and mental strength in achieving success and living a fulfilling life.

B. Grennan's unique perspective on failure, competition, and self-care offers valuable insights for aspiring artists and individuals seeking personal growth.

C. The podcast episode emphasizes the importance of embracing challenges, flipping negative thoughts into positive ones, and surrounding oneself with positivity.

In this episode of The High Performance Podcast, host Damien Walsh engages in a captivating conversation with musician Tom Grennan, delving into his unique mindset, resilience, and the profound impact of therapy on his life. Grennan candidly shares his experiences of being the victim of a random attack and how, through extensive therapy, he was able to transform his mindset and overcome the potential negative consequences of the incident.

Grennan emphasizes the value of reflection, honesty, and the ability to perceive things as they truly are rather than through the lens of preconceived notions. He highlights the importance of recognizing the potential strengths and opportunities in challenging situations, rather than dwelling on their negative aspects.

The conversation also explores the concept of neurodiversity and how Grennan views his dyslexia as a superpower that allows him to connect the dots in a unique way. He emphasizes the significance of embracing one's differences and utilizing them as strengths, rather than perceiving them as obstacles.

Grennan underscores the power of staying present and avoiding the tendency to dwell on the past or worry about the future. He advocates for living in the moment and making the most of every opportunity, while acknowledging the importance of setting goals and working towards them.

The discussion delves into the role of gratitude in maintaining a positive mindset and fostering resilience. Grennan emphasizes the significance of appreciating the simple things in life and expressing gratitude for the people and experiences that contribute to one's well-being.

Grennan also touches upon the importance of surrounding oneself with supportive individuals who genuinely care about one's growth and success. He highlights the value of having mentors and role models who can provide guidance and inspiration along the way.

The episode concludes with a powerful message about the importance of remaining humble, curious, and empathetic in all aspects of life. Grennan stresses the significance of continuous learning, seeking out new perspectives, and maintaining a genuine connection with others.

Overall, this episode offers valuable insights into the mindset and strategies that have contributed to Tom Grennan's success, both personally and professionally. His emphasis on resilience, gratitude, and the power of positive thinking serves as a source of inspiration for listeners seeking to enhance their own performance and well-being.

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[00:29.920 -> 00:33.640] Hi there, you're listening to High Performance, the award-winning podcast that unlocks the minds of some of the most fascinating people on the planet.
[00:34.120 -> 00:38.320] I'm Jake Humphrey and alongside Professor Damien Hughes, we learn from the stories,
[00:38.360 -> 00:42.280] successes, and struggles of our guests, allowing us all to explore,
[00:42.640 -> 00:44.480] to be challenged and to grow.
[00:46.800 -> 00:52.040] After hundreds of conversations, we've discovered every guest has managed to unlock their potential within. This podcast
[00:52.040 -> 00:56.440] seeks to find out how. Here's what's coming up.
[00:56.440 -> 01:00.800] I'm eating it, I'm sleeping it and I'm like, I didn't have to play guitar for example,
[01:00.800 -> 01:07.840] I've got to have eight hours a day on the guitar. And even if I'm on that one note for one day,
[01:07.840 -> 01:10.280] just learning how to move about that one note,
[01:10.280 -> 01:11.240] then I'll do that.
[01:11.240 -> 01:14.200] I feel like if people can see the determination
[01:14.200 -> 01:17.080] and the hunger you have,
[01:17.080 -> 01:19.800] it also makes the other person hungry.
[01:19.800 -> 01:23.960] I got jumped and that wasn't like you say,
[01:23.960 -> 01:24.920] just this little scuffle.
[01:24.920 -> 01:25.820] It was something
[01:25.820 -> 01:32.580] that humbled me massively but also affected me massively you've just
[01:32.580 -> 01:38.220] completely changed me thank you very much mate you've just created something
[01:38.220 -> 01:48.720] unbelievable. I don't know I want to be the best. I'm competitive. I love knowing that I'm gonna win. And if I don't win it, it fucking annoys me.
[01:51.360 -> 01:56.720] So today we welcome the musician Tom Grennan to the High Performance Podcast. I'm sure, you know,
[01:56.720 -> 02:00.880] listening to this right now, immediately you start to think of some of the awesome songs that Tom's
[02:00.880 -> 02:08.680] released over the last few years. But trust me, there's so much about his story and his mindset and his resilience that you just don't know. And why would you?
[02:08.680 -> 02:13.620] Because you're about to hear a conversation with Tom that he's not had before. He's going
[02:13.620 -> 02:18.300] to share with you the hours of therapy that he's had, which means that when he's challenged
[02:18.300 -> 02:22.760] in life, he's able to flip his thoughts. He changes things that we traditionally see as
[02:22.760 -> 02:28.000] a negative, like imposter syndrome or doubt or envy, and he turns them into positives.
[02:28.000 -> 02:36.000] And probably the biggest example of this, it's a very moving story, is when he talks to us about when he was the victim of a random attack.
[02:36.000 -> 02:43.000] And he says that there was two ways he could go. He could be really badly derailed by it, and he was for a while.
[02:43.000 -> 02:45.560] But in the end, through a lot of work,
[02:45.560 -> 02:47.320] he was able to change his mindset.
[02:47.320 -> 02:50.360] And he says to us that that person that attacked him
[02:50.360 -> 02:53.980] doesn't even realize the person that they helped create.
[02:53.980 -> 02:56.400] Turning negatives into positives
[02:56.400 -> 02:58.600] is such an integral part of this conversation.
[02:58.600 -> 03:00.240] You know, what is high performance?
[03:00.240 -> 03:03.440] High performance is finding success, finding happiness,
[03:03.440 -> 03:05.920] finding the thing we love, despite
[03:05.920 -> 03:10.960] what life throws at us. And Tom's had some really tough moments, but he's come through them. And he
[03:10.960 -> 03:15.280] is an incredible guest for this podcast. I can't tell you what a pleasure it was to sit down with
[03:15.280 -> 03:21.920] someone as humble, but also someone as determined, as talented, and as deep thinking as Tom Gorenan.
[03:22.640 -> 03:25.500] So let's do it then. Time to get you closer to your
[03:25.500 -> 03:32.000] own version of high performance as we welcome Tom Gorenan to the High Performance Podcast.
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[05:50.520 -> 05:51.720] Welcome to the podcast.
[05:51.720 -> 05:53.480] Thank you very much for having me. How are you?
[05:53.480 -> 05:54.480] Really well, how are you?
[05:54.480 -> 05:59.600] Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. Happy to be here. Big fan of the podcast. So yeah, buzzing, I'm on.
[05:59.600 -> 06:13.180] Well, we always start with this question. What's your definition of high performance? My brain would go to being an athlete mentally, physically and when I
[06:13.180 -> 06:17.780] say mentally it's being able to put yourself in a position where you're
[06:17.780 -> 06:29.600] going I'm gonna set the goal of being the best person I need to be today, tomorrow and so on. And physically
[06:29.600 -> 06:37.360] like I'm a musician and I've just got off tour and it was the best tour I've ever done
[06:37.360 -> 06:46.800] because I'm so fit physically and mentally and high performance is being able to do your job
[06:46.800 -> 06:53.440] or do life at 100% every day. I'm fascinated to find out how you've got to
[06:53.440 -> 06:58.380] this point. Yeah. If we wind the clock back to a 10 year old Tom kicking a
[06:58.380 -> 07:01.380] football in the back garden with dreams of being a professional footballer. Yeah.
[07:01.380 -> 07:07.280] What happened between then and here that means you're now doing a totally different career, living a totally different life
[07:07.280 -> 07:14.000] but that elite mindset remains? I think I always had a little voice in my head
[07:14.000 -> 07:19.920] that said I could do whatever I wanted to do if I put everything into it.
[07:19.920 -> 07:27.120] Football was obviously the dream but I realised when I was about 15, 16 that I
[07:27.120 -> 07:32.720] wasn't good enough to get to the next level but I was the person who was
[07:32.720 -> 07:35.920] stopping me from getting to that next level because I don't think I was
[07:35.920 -> 07:40.600] confident enough with my ability of playing football. In the change room I
[07:40.600 -> 07:48.680] wasn't confident enough and then when I'd see people who were coming from other academies or playing against other people in different
[07:48.680 -> 07:53.760] football teams and I was like he's better than me, I'd lose my head. I was like
[07:53.760 -> 08:01.000] right what am I gonna do now that I'm not playing football and I loved being
[08:01.000 -> 08:07.000] able to get people's attention. I've always been somebody who, I don't know,
[08:07.000 -> 08:09.800] whether I've probably craved attention, I have.
[08:09.800 -> 08:11.080] So I was like, how do I do that?
[08:11.080 -> 08:16.080] And I loved acting and I loved like creating a character.
[08:17.160 -> 08:18.640] If I was in class or whatever,
[08:18.640 -> 08:23.320] I'd always like love to just be a bit of an idiot.
[08:23.320 -> 08:25.760] So I was like, I'm gonna try acting.
[08:25.760 -> 08:29.360] And I did, and I was pretty good at it.
[08:29.360 -> 08:34.100] So I auditioned for different things in London
[08:34.100 -> 08:36.320] and I got into National Youth Theatre.
[08:36.320 -> 08:37.720] And I did that.
[08:37.720 -> 08:40.760] And I was like, okay, cool, I can do the acting thing.
[08:40.760 -> 08:44.740] And it wasn't until I went to a party
[08:44.740 -> 08:47.860] where there was a karaoke like
[08:47.860 -> 08:51.580] machine and everybody was like jumping up on the on the on the mic and I'd
[08:51.580 -> 08:55.180] never sung in front of any anybody and also I'd never sung in front of myself I
[08:55.180 -> 09:00.780] didn't even know I could sing. You didn't know you could sing at this age? No, no.
[09:00.780 -> 09:05.240] But surely you sung like and thought oh that sounds alright. Nah, not really.
[09:05.240 -> 09:10.200] Like I'd maybe like hum a tune and I knew that I could hold a note maybe.
[09:10.200 -> 09:14.440] But I never like thought I'm gonna be a singer and I never thought I'm gonna try singing.
[09:14.440 -> 09:19.120] And then anyway I got on this karaoke thing and I did and everybody went like that kind
[09:19.120 -> 09:20.120] of thing.
[09:20.120 -> 09:25.040] And I saw that reaction which I loved and I saw I could please people and I saw that reaction, which I loved. And I saw I could please people,
[09:25.040 -> 09:28.700] and I saw I could get everybody's attention.
[09:30.820 -> 09:32.800] I was like, okay, cool, I like this singing thing.
[09:32.800 -> 09:33.640] Got the bug for it.
[09:33.640 -> 09:37.540] And then there was boys in the music scene in school
[09:37.540 -> 09:40.080] that had a band, and they're like,
[09:40.080 -> 09:41.120] do you wanna join this band?
[09:41.120 -> 09:44.700] I was like, yeah, go on, and I'll give it a go.
[09:44.700 -> 09:50.200] And we did our first gig kind of thing in school, in A-levels. And again, there was like an
[09:50.200 -> 09:53.920] audience and I was like, I saw people's faces, I was like, right, that's what I'm going to
[09:53.920 -> 09:58.200] do. But all them boys, we started this band, and all them boys went to uni to like, do
[09:58.200 -> 10:03.160] maths and science, and I was like, what, we've got this amazing band, but we weren't amazing,
[10:03.160 -> 10:09.360] we were pretty shit. And they went to uni, I to uni I was like wow well I need to get out of Bedford I need to get out
[10:09.360 -> 10:14.360] of Bedford and something happened to me where I was attacked and my jaw had
[10:14.360 -> 10:20.400] broken and I it just mentally like flipped me upside down and I was like I
[10:20.400 -> 10:25.340] need to get out of Bedford because being in Bedford's giving me anxiety.
[10:25.340 -> 10:27.700] I can't like leave the house without feeling
[10:27.700 -> 10:30.380] like somebody's gonna do something or whatnot.
[10:31.420 -> 10:32.600] I know that I want to be a singer,
[10:32.600 -> 10:35.580] but I can't study music.
[10:35.580 -> 10:39.360] Cause if I study something, I'll lose interest in it.
[10:39.360 -> 10:42.480] I need to do this on my own, but I'll go and do acting.
[10:42.480 -> 10:47.240] So I applied for like different drama schools
[10:47.240 -> 10:52.920] and what not and ended up going to St. Mary's in Twickenham to study physical
[10:52.920 -> 10:58.080] theatre and loved it and it gave me the I don't know the confidence in being a
[10:58.080 -> 11:04.440] showman but also gave me the time to really knuckle down and teach myself how
[11:04.440 -> 11:05.560] to play guitar. So I
[11:05.560 -> 11:09.600] bought a guitar at uni, hibernated for a year, didn't really do the freshers thing,
[11:09.600 -> 11:14.320] didn't go out much and then started writing and I didn't really
[11:14.320 -> 11:20.160] realize I was writing songs beforehand but because going back to when I got
[11:20.160 -> 11:25.920] jumped and stuff, the only way I could really communicate with my mom and dad of how I was feeling
[11:25.920 -> 11:30.560] or to anybody else was to write about it.
[11:30.560 -> 11:34.320] So then I went back to this little notepad
[11:34.320 -> 11:36.240] and I realized that these things I'd been writing
[11:36.240 -> 11:38.280] were actually like song lyrics.
[11:38.280 -> 11:41.720] So I had about six or seven songs
[11:41.720 -> 11:43.800] and I just gigged them and gigged them
[11:43.800 -> 11:45.560] and gigged them around London and then
[11:45.560 -> 11:52.880] luckily enough there was like a guy from Sony who was having a beer and it was rest is history
[11:52.880 -> 11:59.000] from there really. Bloody hell, what a tale. That's the end of the episode thanks so much.
[11:59.000 -> 12:02.840] What a story though, so much to go out there for us. Yeah there's so much I wouldn't want
[12:02.840 -> 12:09.620] to unpick. What really intrigues me Dave is that experience of being 15 and you describe all that like
[12:09.620 -> 12:13.680] your inner voice being castigating to you about you're not good enough, they're
[12:13.680 -> 12:18.060] better than you in that football dressing room. And yet then when
[12:18.060 -> 12:23.800] somebody says do you fancy like joining our band? What had happened to quieten
[12:23.800 -> 12:25.240] that inner voice that was so
[12:25.240 -> 12:30.080] harsh to you in a football environment that turned itself off to give you the
[12:30.080 -> 12:36.960] confidence to go and have a go at leading a band? I think I was so annoyed
[12:36.960 -> 12:40.880] at myself for listening to this little Abba voice who was saying I wasn't good
[12:40.880 -> 12:49.120] enough that I thought to myself I'm gonna be spontaneous and I'm also gonna just throw myself in to something I never
[12:49.120 -> 12:54.520] thought I'd ever do and see if I could swim and I ended up being able to swim
[12:54.520 -> 12:59.040] in it and I thought this is wicked and I've also flipped the thought.
[12:59.040 -> 13:06.800] I do a lot of therapy now still and I have this thing of flipping a thought which really
[13:06.800 -> 13:11.440] really helps me in my day-to-day life anyway. Go on, explain what you mean by that.
[13:11.440 -> 13:17.080] So if I have something that's giving me anxiety, say if I'm like I can't do this
[13:17.080 -> 13:22.520] or I feel like I am sinking inside or something like that, I'll be like, no I'm not, I'm actually
[13:22.520 -> 13:26.960] floating and then that makes it a positive thing straight away.
[13:26.960 -> 13:30.720] And it changes the way you, your thought,
[13:30.720 -> 13:34.440] and it also, it changes what that little voice
[13:34.440 -> 13:37.680] inside your head is saying.
[13:37.680 -> 13:40.920] So you're kind of like shouting out of a voice,
[13:40.920 -> 13:42.840] saying, nah, mate, that's not what I want to do,
[13:42.840 -> 13:44.080] I want to do that.
[13:44.080 -> 13:48.180] And then you're actually doing it. So can we rewind a bit to the football thing
[13:48.180 -> 13:52.480] because I think there was real there's a real thread here mm-hmm you obviously
[13:52.480 -> 13:57.000] had to walk away from that yeah so what would you tell our listeners about
[13:57.000 -> 14:00.840] having the bravery to walk away from something that for so long you've wanted
[14:00.840 -> 14:08.240] I don't know if it was brave but I would say if you are walking away
[14:08.240 -> 14:11.240] from something that you really, really want,
[14:11.240 -> 14:15.120] life is a thing that is unpredictable
[14:15.120 -> 14:17.440] and things will be around the corner
[14:17.440 -> 14:18.720] that you'll be like, wow,
[14:18.720 -> 14:22.760] I never thought I would be in this position now.
[14:22.760 -> 14:27.540] So if one thing doesn't work then have more dreams than
[14:27.540 -> 14:31.800] just that one dream. But I was thinking about you Tom when we knew we were going to
[14:31.800 -> 14:37.700] meet today and I was reminded of a brilliant book called Forever Young by
[14:37.700 -> 14:42.860] Oliver Kade that wrote about a young lad at Manchester United called Adrian
[14:42.860 -> 14:49.100] Doherty. Right. That was seen as like a pair of Ryan gigs, seen as an equal talent
[14:49.100 -> 14:52.900] but he had like a real creative bed and he was a musician
[14:52.900 -> 14:58.700] that used to go off and busk in Manchester City Centre after playing for the youth team
[14:58.700 -> 15:03.700] and was seen as a real rising star and it was only like a bad knee injury that ended his career
[15:03.700 -> 15:06.720] but what was interesting was that he was a guy that was seen as very different yn y star, ac roedd yn unig fel gynllun gwaed sy'n dimddio ei gyrfa. Ond yr hyn sy'n ddiddorol oedd ei fod yn fyfyrwyr
[15:06.720 -> 15:10.080] sy'n cael ei weld fel yn wahanol o fewn y system ysgolion,
[15:10.080 -> 15:13.040] ac roedd yn cael ei hyrwyddo, roedd yn cael ei teimlo'n ddiddorol
[15:13.040 -> 15:16.480] a'n ddiddorol, ac rwy'n mwynhau sut rydych chi'n ymddangos
[15:16.480 -> 15:20.080] gyda'r cyfathrebu mewn y math o amgylchedd
[15:20.080 -> 15:21.920] o'ch gwirionedd, yn amlwg rhywun sy'n creadigol
[15:21.920 -> 15:24.640] ac fel bod yn y pwynt o ddiddorol.
[15:24.640 -> 15:30.500] Pa gwestiynau yw gennych i'r clywyr of you, obviously somebody that was creative and like being the center of attention. Yeah. What lessons have you got for listeners on how to stand out while still fitting in?
[15:30.500 -> 15:39.600] I think being able to just be comfortable with who you are and not worrying about what
[15:39.600 -> 15:48.880] others think about you. Like I remember I was in, I've always been again this kid in school who
[15:48.880 -> 15:53.800] would love to push a bit few boundaries and push a few buttons. I remember coming
[15:53.800 -> 16:00.360] in to school once with like a pair of Ugg boots on yeah and it's not a big deal
[16:00.360 -> 16:07.360] but back then coming into school with an Ugg boot on was like you were wearing
[16:07.360 -> 16:13.320] some crazy, crazy thing. And I remember getting so much stick for it, but going, don't worry
[16:13.320 -> 16:20.340] about it, you'll be wearing this in the next couple of years. And then they did. I feel
[16:20.340 -> 16:26.640] like for me, that's always been the thing of like, I'll back myself and the listeners,
[16:26.640 -> 16:28.560] whoever's listening to this,
[16:28.560 -> 16:31.440] if you're feeling like you are different
[16:31.440 -> 16:33.160] or you can do something different,
[16:33.160 -> 16:35.120] then don't be worried about what your mates are gonna say
[16:35.120 -> 16:37.080] or what other people are gonna say
[16:37.080 -> 16:39.280] because your world is your world
[16:39.280 -> 16:41.280] and let other people enter it.
[16:41.280 -> 16:44.040] Break that down into detail for us in terms of,
[16:44.040 -> 16:45.360] because that
[16:45.360 -> 16:50.320] advice of be yourself, follow your heart is great advice but I think people
[16:50.320 -> 16:57.000] need to know how do I do that? So what sort of tips would you get of
[16:57.000 -> 17:13.760] still being true to yourself and how do you handle it when people are taking the piss out of you or laughing at it? I laugh at it. I don't let it eat and manifest in me. I don't let that... I put
[17:13.760 -> 17:25.000] like a... again I put a shield up like you can fire whatever you want at me but it'll bounce off and again, my world is my world
[17:25.640 -> 17:30.640] and how I live it is my choice.
[17:31.400 -> 17:34.200] And I don't feel like I need to please,
[17:34.200 -> 17:37.920] I don't feel like I need to be anybody else for anybody.
[17:37.920 -> 17:40.680] Like if you love me, then you'll love me for who I am.
[17:41.800 -> 17:43.760] And that's it.
[17:43.760 -> 17:47.220] And I really had to like understand that and I've
[17:47.220 -> 17:51.480] really had to understand about other people as well like my mum said
[17:51.480 -> 17:56.260] something to me that people aren't meant to be in your life forever like I
[17:56.260 -> 18:08.320] thought and some people are like I thought I had a best friend I thought we'd be like brothers for life and there's a
[18:08.320 -> 18:14.600] moment that happened and we had to go our different ways and that's because he
[18:14.600 -> 18:19.040] was bad for me and I was probably not great for him and there's nothing bad
[18:19.040 -> 18:25.600] about that but understanding that like people aren't meant to be in your life forever
[18:25.600 -> 18:32.400] and and also being able to just say you didn't love me for who I am and that's
[18:32.400 -> 18:38.240] unfortunate for you. You speak about you know stopping football starting in a
[18:38.240 -> 18:43.160] band coming to London gigging in pubs and then I met someone from Sony right
[18:43.160 -> 18:48.020] that is like oh it was all so easy I played a bit of music and now I'm a music artist let's tell the
[18:48.020 -> 18:51.640] truth about the hard work the mindset that you know when I talk about that
[18:51.640 -> 18:57.520] fire that's like deep inside you take us back to that young Tom first coming to
[18:57.520 -> 19:01.000] London starting to do the music thing and not just wanting to play music but
[19:01.000 -> 19:09.920] wanting to be like a successful musician. Going back to the band thing, yeah? I remember doing the band and then I had a
[19:09.920 -> 19:14.680] lot of mates in school who would take the piss out of it. Be like, what are you
[19:14.680 -> 19:20.280] doing? Like, who do you think you are? Some of the band members were like, why
[19:20.280 -> 19:27.800] are you thinking that you can do this, do that? And I'm like, all right, then cool and I fell out of a lot of people and I
[19:29.120 -> 19:34.720] Didn't speak to him because I saw the jealousy just soaking out of them
[19:34.720 -> 19:37.600] I was like now I can do what I want to do and I'll do it. Watch me
[19:37.600 -> 19:40.880] I'm gonna do it and I've always had this thing of I
[19:42.080 -> 19:45.460] Remember the people who said I couldn't do it yeah and I
[19:45.460 -> 19:52.660] always love seeing them now and even if they don't speak to me I know that they
[19:52.660 -> 19:59.860] know what I'm doing so that young guy there who was in that band and still in
[19:59.860 -> 20:03.340] school would say would said to himself right this is going to be a tough
[20:03.340 -> 20:11.720] challenge this is going to be this is like winning the lottery, and a lot of people try and do this for all
[20:11.720 -> 20:16.360] their lives and don't get anywhere with it, but if I put everything into it, not
[20:16.360 -> 20:20.720] only just hard work, I'm talking manifest this thing, talk to the walls about it,
[20:20.720 -> 20:26.720] talk to like every inch of the room about it, then I'll do that.
[20:26.720 -> 20:30.480] Explain that to us, like no one talks about the depths of the hard work and
[20:30.480 -> 20:34.400] the effort that goes into a career like yours. I'm eating it, I'm sleeping it and
[20:34.400 -> 20:38.720] I'm like, I didn't have to play guitar for example, I've got to have eight hours a
[20:38.720 -> 20:44.920] day on a guitar and even if I'm on that one note for one day, just learning how
[20:44.920 -> 20:46.480] to move about that one note,
[20:46.480 -> 20:49.720] then I'll do that, and I'll really knuckle down and do that.
[20:49.720 -> 20:54.720] So I'd go to bed thinking about how I'm gonna go get
[20:55.120 -> 20:59.640] my next gig, and that next gig was knocking on people's doors
[20:59.640 -> 21:01.720] and saying, can I play here?
[21:01.720 -> 21:03.080] Nah, you can't.
[21:03.080 -> 21:07.840] All right, cool, can I play here tomorrow? All right, cool. Can I play here tomorrow? Alright, cool. You
[21:07.840 -> 21:12.640] can play here but for no money. Sweet, I don't want money. Alright, cool. How long can you
[21:12.640 -> 21:18.080] do? I can do however long you want me to do. Always being polite, always being like a nice
[21:18.080 -> 21:25.240] guy because that's who I am anyway. But like, I feel like if people can see the determination and
[21:31.200 -> 21:33.940] The the hunger you have it also makes the other person hungry. It's like it catches fire So if someone sees you you go in
[21:34.480 -> 21:40.200] I'm gonna put this gig on in in your pub and it's gonna be unbelievable. I'm gonna get 100 people down there
[21:40.200 -> 21:44.960] They're like 100 people. No, you weren't I'm telling you and then there's 150 people. Do you mean how?
[21:45.640 -> 21:48.680] By just going to people at uni going. Oh, I've got this gig
[21:48.680 -> 21:51.600] yeah, it's gonna be three quid to get in and
[21:52.320 -> 21:59.160] it'll be so good and just hyping it up that much to people at uni word of mouth and then people are coming and
[22:00.640 -> 22:02.640] then you're creating this like
[22:03.200 -> 22:06.480] fire and people then are going talking about it
[22:06.480 -> 22:10.880] and again I didn't really know about like YouTube or anything like that and
[22:10.880 -> 22:16.480] and I was like I don't want to be that YouTube guy but I need videos out there
[22:16.480 -> 22:23.680] and I made this little video with my with my friend and and he was like let's
[22:23.680 -> 22:26.440] put it out and we did and then people at uni who didn't come to the gig would my friend and and he was like let's put
[22:23.880 -> 22:28.600] it out and we did and then people at
[22:26.440 -> 22:30.480] uni who didn't come to the gig would
[22:28.600 -> 22:32.800] then see the see this video because I
[22:30.480 -> 22:34.880] posted it on like the uni page and then
[22:32.800 -> 22:37.800] they've then shared that out and it was just
[22:34.880 -> 22:42.400] caused it was just being able to create
[22:37.800 -> 22:44.280] moments that people wanted I think I
[22:42.400 -> 22:47.120] don't really know it's crazy. So when you're
[22:44.280 -> 22:49.120] going knocking on doors and asking for a gig or you're going up to strangers
[22:49.120 -> 22:56.120] in a bar and trying to persuade them to come. Yeah. I'm interested in how much was it a
[22:56.120 -> 23:02.360] desire to create moments that matter and to fulfil the stream of being the centre of attention
[23:02.360 -> 23:05.520] and how much of it was proving those naysayers
[23:05.520 -> 23:10.360] from back home? All of it. I think I still have that fire of proving them people
[23:10.360 -> 23:16.200] wrong now. So which is more powerful for you Tom? The proving the wrong I think.
[23:16.200 -> 23:23.240] Is it? Yeah. I love the thought of people going I didn't want it to happen for him
[23:23.240 -> 23:25.520] but it has happened for him, fair play.
[23:25.520 -> 23:30.280] Don't know, I want to be the best. I'm competitive, I love knowing that I'm
[23:30.280 -> 23:35.240] gonna win and if I don't win it, it fucking annoys me.
[23:35.240 -> 23:39.760] But then that reminds me, I did a book many years ago about a great boxer called Marvin
[23:39.760 -> 23:44.960] Hagler, who reveled in being the underdog. He loved the idea of being the one that...
[23:44.960 -> 23:49.280] But I am the underdog, I still feel like the underdog. But what he would do was he
[23:49.280 -> 23:54.000] that he would keep moving his status so even when he became the champion he
[23:54.000 -> 23:59.000] would then make himself the underdog against other guys that were in his
[23:59.000 -> 24:03.800] world so it wasn't always about fighting the ones that he'd grown up with, he
[24:03.800 -> 24:11.400] became an only to prove these guys wrong and it was somebody else. So how do you keep moving the target so that
[24:11.400 -> 24:17.080] you keep being the underdog even when you're getting more and more successful?
[24:17.080 -> 24:27.000] Everybody says, have you made it yet? I'm like, no mate, I've not made anything. Am I happy? I'm so happy. And success is also about being happy
[24:28.000 -> 24:31.000] and being able to move with happiness.
[24:34.000 -> 24:36.000] But I've not made anything
[24:36.000 -> 24:38.000] and I've not got to where I want to be.
[24:38.000 -> 24:39.000] Are you fulfilled?
[24:39.000 -> 24:40.000] No, that's not the word I was looking for.
[24:40.000 -> 24:44.000] Fulfilled, I'm not fulfilled at all in my career-wise.
[24:44.000 -> 24:45.520] Like, things are going great and I'm not fulfilled at all in my career wise like
[24:49.220 -> 24:49.840] things are going great, and I'm so happy that people are listening to
[24:56.800 -> 24:59.040] The music and and and I'd be lying if I go yeah, but the music is in people's lives, and they're enjoying it I want it to be in everybody's lives because I
[25:00.080 -> 25:03.680] Don't know I've got a story to tell and I feel like and I can help people out
[25:04.200 -> 25:11.420] Things are going great at the moment, but there's people out there who are doing better. What about though if I told you that this was it?
[25:12.200 -> 25:16.160] Not a negative way. Yeah, so Johnny Wilkinson came on this podcast, right?
[25:16.360 -> 25:21.260] He spent 20 years trying to be the best rugby player in the world. He won the Rugby World Cup with that famous kick
[25:21.260 -> 25:23.520] Yeah, he felt elated for 30 seconds
[25:24.320 -> 25:29.960] Everybody tells me to enjoy the moment. I'm like, cool, I get it. And when I look
[25:29.960 -> 25:34.400] back in 20 years time, I probably will say, I wish I enjoyed that a little bit
[25:34.400 -> 25:41.120] more. But I can't. I can't, like, just did the biggest tour of my life and I got
[25:41.120 -> 25:45.440] off stage and I was, what
[25:43.240 -> 25:49.320] we doing next? I want to do this
[25:45.440 -> 25:52.920] every night. It's hard to enjoy the
[25:49.320 -> 25:56.480] moment when you know that there's a lot
[25:52.920 -> 26:00.640] more coming if you really put your mind
[25:56.480 -> 26:03.720] to it. So I'm interested in exploring two
[26:00.640 -> 26:05.800] incidents from your background that
[26:03.720 -> 26:05.800] maybe help us understand this
[26:05.800 -> 26:11.480] relentlessness. One was the one you've referred of being jumped at 18, which
[26:11.480 -> 26:15.540] sounds pretty horrific, you know, it's not just a scuffle, that's serious
[26:15.540 -> 26:20.520] injuries. And secondly was around the same time, the death of your mate in
[26:20.520 -> 26:29.360] the car accident. My cousin yeah, yeah.
[26:23.360 -> 26:30.800] I got jumped and that wasn't like you
[26:29.360 -> 26:35.240] say, just this little scuffle, it was
[26:30.800 -> 26:38.040] something that humbled me massively but
[26:35.240 -> 26:40.040] also affected me massively, where like
[26:38.040 -> 26:41.960] I couldn't leave my house, like I said
[26:40.040 -> 26:44.240] I've always been that guy who's, I've got
[26:41.960 -> 26:53.420] energy, I'm always and that guy who's, I've got energy, I'm always, and I think this is the first time I ever understood what mental health was, what like anger really, really was, what
[26:53.420 -> 27:00.000] revenge really felt like. All these different emotions where like, I couldn't cope with
[27:00.000 -> 27:01.760] what was going on in my head.
[27:01.760 -> 27:07.080] And what precipitated the attack? It was random. Wow. So that's
[27:07.080 -> 27:12.960] what I think that's what, why has it happened to me? Why have they done this to me? That
[27:12.960 -> 27:18.080] was like I say the first time where I was like I can't, I don't know how to be me anymore.
[27:18.080 -> 27:23.200] You've just completely changed me. And not only that, you changed my family's life too.
[27:23.200 -> 27:26.200] So I think that also gave me the fire
[27:26.200 -> 27:28.840] when I could navigate my thoughts
[27:28.840 -> 27:31.740] and what I wanted to do of like,
[27:31.740 -> 27:36.740] I'm gonna really become something bigger and better
[27:38.000 -> 27:42.000] and being able to say like, thank you very much, mate.
[27:42.000 -> 27:46.780] You've just absolutely created something that you
[27:46.780 -> 27:51.280] never thought you and you never see me because you don't know me but you just
[27:51.280 -> 27:56.380] create something unbelievable so thank you so you flipped it again yeah so did
[27:56.380 -> 28:01.680] the person ever get found yeah yeah yeah do they know it's you yeah I've had I've
[28:01.680 -> 28:11.800] had many I've had like messages from other people saying like that guy knows. And how often do you think about that moment? Is it there? Is it
[28:11.800 -> 28:18.960] present? Yeah definitely like that was like the beginning of this thing that
[28:18.960 -> 28:22.640] just so valuable to hear that like you're about to walk out on stage in
[28:22.640 -> 28:27.920] front of I don't know 30,000 people or whatever some arena some big gig yeah that moment
[28:27.920 -> 28:31.560] where that person thought they were gonna do something to really damage you
[28:31.560 -> 28:36.760] yeah that's the moment where you're you that's in your head and that's built you
[28:36.760 -> 28:39.200] and I think nobody wants to go through what you went through
[28:39.200 -> 28:43.600] no abhorrent horrendous very difficult for a lot of people but look what
[28:43.600 -> 28:49.440] flipping that is able to give you. What, because that's happened right? That person doesn't
[28:49.440 -> 28:53.260] deserve any more of you. No. Than you gave them in that period directly after the
[28:53.260 -> 28:56.520] attack when you were really struggling. Mm-hmm. Now look how much you're taking.
[28:56.520 -> 29:03.320] Yeah, exactly. And I think... It's powerful. Yeah man, well that's exactly what I wanted
[29:03.320 -> 29:06.440] to do. You mentioned my cousin who died too in a car crash
[29:07.180 -> 29:10.580] that was a big moment in my life to where I
[29:11.860 -> 29:13.860] understood life was so short and
[29:15.500 -> 29:22.780] Life could be taken like that. I made a promise to him and to me that
[29:23.940 -> 29:28.200] I'm gonna like have everybody knowing who he was and
[29:28.200 -> 29:35.640] what our name is and put a footprint in the world because he deserves it and and
[29:35.640 -> 29:48.000] I deserve it too. I put so much hard work into it and I just want that to be felt. But I think seeing him lose his life was,
[29:48.440 -> 29:52.440] it was crazy just because he was so young
[29:52.440 -> 29:55.880] and just, it was like that, gone.
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[34:07.000 -> 34:14.000] So when you look back through those notebooks that you said became the source of your early
[34:14.000 -> 34:19.360] lyrics, when you read them a few years later and they became so valuable for you, what
[34:19.360 -> 34:28.480] were you reading that really resonated? I was reading this boy's thoughts, I was reading this guy's
[34:28.480 -> 34:35.800] like heart and soul putting onto paper and his cries for help, that's what I was
[34:35.800 -> 34:43.240] reading. But I was also reading this person who was like, nah I'm gonna be
[34:43.240 -> 34:46.540] able to come out of the fire like a phoenix, mate.
[34:46.540 -> 34:51.720] That is it. It sounds like cliche but that's what it was and I also knew
[34:51.720 -> 34:55.440] that these songs here, I'm not gonna be the only person who's feeling like this.
[34:55.440 -> 35:01.200] I'm not gonna be the only person who's gone through this and sometimes like you
[35:01.200 -> 35:06.400] get so indulged with your own self, you're like, I can't believe I'm the only person
[35:06.400 -> 35:07.240] who's gonna be fit.
[35:07.240 -> 35:10.240] Like, nah, mate, there's seven billion people on this world.
[35:10.240 -> 35:14.040] Somebody's gotta be going through what I'm going through.
[35:14.040 -> 35:17.400] So these lyrics and these words on this paper,
[35:17.400 -> 35:19.400] they're gonna help this other person out.
[35:19.400 -> 35:22.320] And all this stuff that's going on in my life,
[35:22.320 -> 35:26.200] I was like, I need to be able to communicate
[35:26.200 -> 35:32.800] that with somebody. And also, not only that, when I was gigging and also showing people
[35:32.800 -> 35:40.960] these songs, it was a way of me going, you have what I don't want, and you can take my
[35:40.960 -> 35:46.240] energy because I'm doing that, I'm like sprinkling it off to other people.
[35:46.240 -> 35:50.760] And these songs, you can do what you want with them and you can also like make them
[35:50.760 -> 35:56.520] out with how you want to make them out. So, and if they help, they help.
[35:56.520 -> 36:00.680] What lyric or line or verse did you write that was the most helpful for you?
[36:00.680 -> 36:15.200] There's something in the water calling your name. I think that's the first song I ever wrote. And that was really me like looking at myself and going, there's something in
[36:15.200 -> 36:21.440] this world or this life that you're going to live and it's shouting at you and all you
[36:21.440 -> 36:26.600] need to do is be able to to run with it and if you
[36:26.600 -> 36:31.360] run with it then anything's possible. I think if you were doing this job 30
[36:31.360 -> 36:35.480] years ago right you know you've come here with a load of really lovely people
[36:35.480 -> 36:38.720] from your management or your record label really nice and they want the best
[36:38.720 -> 36:41.840] for you but I'm pretty sure 30 years ago they'd be telling you not to talk about
[36:41.840 -> 36:48.280] any of this right because the world is different. How important is it now in 2023 that you are
[36:48.280 -> 36:53.920] able and that you do talk in this way for other people to hear? So important I
[36:53.920 -> 36:58.080] don't know we live in this weird world and to be honest with you I'd have loved
[36:58.080 -> 37:01.800] to have done this 30 years ago I think it'd have been way more funner and if
[37:01.800 -> 37:06.240] you can't talk and if you can't speak about it, then do what I did, write about it,
[37:06.240 -> 37:09.080] draw about it, be creative with it.
[37:10.720 -> 37:14.160] And if you can't, then just run it off or run into it
[37:15.100 -> 37:16.420] and you'll find it.
[37:17.320 -> 37:18.840] You know what I love about this conversation
[37:18.840 -> 37:21.880] is the underlying theme of optimism that comes through.
[37:21.880 -> 37:23.880] Like you're a young guy at school
[37:23.880 -> 37:27.040] and people are laughing at your clothes, yet you're the one going, you wait, you'll be
[37:27.040 -> 37:30.640] wearing this in a little while. And then you're a guy who's playing football
[37:30.640 -> 37:34.120] and your heart's no longer in it. So instead of fearing that, you're
[37:34.120 -> 37:36.160] optimistic that there's something else out there for you and then you're
[37:36.160 -> 37:39.760] banging down doors of pubs and you're believing that something great's gonna
[37:39.760 -> 37:45.540] happen. You know, you're going through the death of a cousin and a brutal attack and you're turning it into a positive
[37:46.400 -> 37:51.460] How important is an optimistic mindset for you? Do you believe?
[37:52.480 -> 37:57.360] Great things are gonna come. I believe great things will come if you put everything
[37:58.400 -> 38:02.400] Into that. Yeah, I've just got to be the guy who drives the car
[38:03.160 -> 38:07.560] And I've got to be the guy who drives the car. And I've got to be the guy who gets to them great things.
[38:07.560 -> 38:09.120] Is that ever exhausting?
[38:09.120 -> 38:11.040] Yeah, of course.
[38:11.040 -> 38:12.440] I've gone gray over it.
[38:12.440 -> 38:13.280] Do you know what I mean?
[38:13.280 -> 38:17.120] But I think I'll always be like that.
[38:17.120 -> 38:21.280] I don't think I'll ever not be like that.
[38:21.280 -> 38:23.040] That's exciting to me.
[38:23.040 -> 38:28.160] Like, it'd be so boring if you were just comfortable. Being
[38:28.160 -> 38:34.160] comfortable is just, that is not for me. That makes me go, oh, nah, nah, nah.
[38:34.160 -> 38:40.560] Really? Yeah, man. I like being like, a bit like, unsure and just, if there's
[38:40.560 -> 38:46.960] something behind that door, I'll be like, I need to see what's behind that door man, because it could be amazing.
[38:46.960 -> 38:50.480] Another question I wanted to explore with you Tom,
[38:50.480 -> 38:55.120] was like we get people talking to us here about neurodiversity,
[38:55.120 -> 38:58.960] and you know, and I know that you have dyslexia,
[38:58.960 -> 39:04.560] I'm interested in exploring why that becomes a super strength for you,
[39:04.560 -> 39:05.640] rather than something
[39:05.640 -> 39:09.520] that previously like Jake's saying 30 years ago might have either not been
[39:09.520 -> 39:16.000] understood or seen as a weakness. What do you think your dyslexia has afforded you?
[39:16.000 -> 39:21.720] I think it held me back in school but I think it held me back because again in
[39:21.720 -> 39:31.720] school I was told I couldn't, I wasn't gonna get like B's and C's I was gonna get D's and F's or whatever and I got my B's and C's
[39:31.720 -> 39:37.200] because I knew I could do it but my dyslexia has helped me out so much
[39:37.200 -> 39:43.440] because I've been able to like put words together or like put songs
[39:43.440 -> 39:45.700] together that some people read
[39:45.700 -> 39:51.140] and be like what is this but they make sense to me and it also makes sense to a
[39:51.140 -> 39:55.420] lot of other people. I've not ever read a book in my life really apart from
[39:55.420 -> 40:03.640] Horrid Henry and Elton John's book but like a lot of people say
[40:03.640 -> 40:07.320] like articulation comes from like reading and
[40:07.320 -> 40:13.920] being able to like know big words and now man I just understand my my my words
[40:13.920 -> 40:21.360] and that's how I how I talk and how I write and a lot of people understand it
[40:21.360 -> 40:26.000] too. So what is your process is it it a quiet room, a blank piece of paper, a holiday?
[40:26.000 -> 40:31.000] No, the process is I need time to take in.
[40:31.000 -> 40:35.000] Like, I hate working in the morning.
[40:35.000 -> 40:37.000] People are going to me like, do you want to come in the studio?
[40:37.000 -> 40:41.000] Like midday, I'm like, but you have not experienced anything in the day.
[40:41.000 -> 40:50.160] How are you going to take in stories that you might have heard today? I like working at night where I've like where I've eaten
[40:50.160 -> 40:57.560] different things from different places and I like writing with a nice amount of
[40:57.560 -> 41:09.800] people in a room. I like noise, I like energy in a room. I do set times on it though. I do say, right, I've got four
[41:09.800 -> 41:15.920] or five months where I need to write an album, yeah? That is the five months. And I ain't
[41:15.920 -> 41:24.080] going home until it's written. I think giving myself that pressure really helps me. I'm
[41:24.080 -> 41:25.520] not that guy who can just write like
[41:25.520 -> 41:30.920] some people just on tour writing just every day writing, writing, writing. Nah
[41:30.920 -> 41:35.480] that doesn't work for me I need to I need to have a blocked out schedule
[41:35.480 -> 41:39.200] where I go right this is where this album is gonna be written and my writing
[41:39.200 -> 41:42.680] brain needs to be flicked on but with the dyslexia thing going back to that
[41:42.680 -> 41:46.740] like I have this like washing
[41:46.740 -> 41:51.820] line I've always put out if I'm writing a song and I write draw that line and
[41:51.820 -> 41:58.000] then and I hang up these words and I and I say to myself right this work can fit
[41:58.000 -> 42:02.580] with that word and that word doesn't really fit with that word but I can make
[42:02.580 -> 42:09.480] that word fit with that word if you put it in a good wash, do you know what I mean? I love that but it makes it like, I'll tell you a
[42:09.480 -> 42:14.160] really random story, I heard you on a radio show recently, where they gave
[42:14.160 -> 42:19.680] you a travel report to read. Yeah, that was so hard. Yeah, and I heard you and you were
[42:19.680 -> 42:30.840] making like lots of errors but what really stood out to me as I heard you reading it was just how open you were to failure if that makes sense. So when so they
[42:30.840 -> 42:34.400] correct you and say no you don't say it like that or you'd say so and you weren't
[42:34.400 -> 42:38.960] precious about it you just interpret it and then say it right next time and then
[42:38.960 -> 42:42.920] you do it again and you'd stumble you'd fall you'd be corrected. So when
[42:42.920 -> 42:48.000] you described this washing line theory of creating, tell us a little bit about your
[42:48.000 -> 42:53.680] relationship with failure and being corrected so you go into that loop of
[42:53.680 -> 42:58.680] every improvement. I like a bit of failure, I like not being good at
[42:58.680 -> 43:06.180] things, I like being able to really improve. I'm playing a lot of golf at the moment, yeah,
[43:06.180 -> 43:08.160] and that is a game where I've gone,
[43:09.440 -> 43:12.520] I'm shit at it, but I'm gonna be amazing at it.
[43:12.520 -> 43:15.440] And I think that's just like, with life,
[43:15.440 -> 43:17.900] I feel like if somebody says,
[43:17.900 -> 43:19.000] now, this is not how you do it,
[43:19.000 -> 43:19.840] and I'll be like, all right, cool,
[43:19.840 -> 43:20.880] you show me how to do it then,
[43:20.880 -> 43:22.880] and then let's see if it works.
[43:22.880 -> 43:28.360] And then if it works, then I'm like, yeah, cool. I find it funny as well, I just find it funny when
[43:28.360 -> 43:32.440] scales that I've never been or whatever they're called, do you know what I mean? Going to like
[43:32.440 -> 43:36.920] notes where I thought my voice couldn't go and I'm like I've just unlocked
[43:36.920 -> 43:43.840] another, another thing. But how does that fit because like when you described about
[43:43.840 -> 43:45.280] you first decided to
[43:45.280 -> 43:49.480] pursue a career in music and you went I'm not gonna study it formally because
[43:49.480 -> 43:53.320] that'll turn me off. So what you're describing is like real-life
[43:53.320 -> 43:58.560] experimentation and learning on the job. Yeah definitely I feel like that's the
[43:58.560 -> 44:11.120] way I've always been able to learn. Like the voice thing I've just said like I learned that during a show so I was like whoa what is that just happened but if you think that
[44:11.120 -> 44:13.400] you've completed something you're fucked.
[44:13.400 -> 44:16.680] Is your relationship with failure changed as you've become successful
[44:16.680 -> 44:21.720] because I think people when there's nothing to lose failure is fine risk is
[44:21.720 -> 44:24.960] fine pushing yourself is fine because there is nothing to lose you've now got
[44:24.960 -> 44:29.120] to a point where there is something to lose because you've got a great career.
[44:29.120 -> 44:33.680] You know, I was watching the Lewis Capaldi documentary a few days ago and he was saying,
[44:33.680 -> 44:41.640] the more success I get, the more self-doubt I have to deal with. That's a very confusing
[44:41.640 -> 44:48.080] paradox for a lot of people, I think. So So do you not find that like as you get
[44:48.080 -> 44:55.320] more successful, the fear is greater? Yeah there's massive pressure. You've got to be
[44:55.320 -> 45:00.600] able to put out something that's bigger than your last or you've got to be able
[45:00.600 -> 45:06.960] to pay back your massive amounts. Yeah that kind kind of stuff and you'll see another success as well
[45:06.960 -> 45:12.620] Cuz I guess you're now comparing yourself with like who would you who do you look at like and go? I'm not telling you
[45:13.840 -> 45:15.840] But you do of course
[45:16.120 -> 45:17.920] but of course
[45:17.920 -> 45:19.480] but I
[45:19.480 -> 45:23.680] Also say I'm on my own journey and I need to always remember that
[45:23.960 -> 45:25.080] This is my own journey and I need to always remember that this is my own
[45:25.080 -> 45:29.720] journey and I don't think it is jealousy like some people like you why jealous of
[45:29.720 -> 45:35.520] him or why jealous of her now I'm not jealous I'm actually like um I love
[45:35.520 -> 45:41.100] seeing it I love seeing that because it drives me more and why would you not say
[45:41.100 -> 45:48.480] who they are that those because we all have them people that make you go Oh, I don't know why I don't know why I think for me. That's just
[45:49.120 -> 45:50.600] That's for me
[45:50.600 -> 45:52.600] I'll let you know if I ever beat them
[45:56.360 -> 45:58.360] So that response there
[45:58.680 -> 46:05.160] I'm intrigued as to the difference between that response I have and the response of 15 year old you in the dressing room when
[46:05.400 -> 46:07.480] some kids from a new academy are coming in.
[46:07.480 -> 46:08.400] Yeah.
[46:08.400 -> 46:15.000] What's the difference now between, so back then you said to us you were thinking I'm not good enough, they're miles better than me.
[46:15.000 -> 46:16.520] Yeah.
[46:16.520 -> 46:20.200] What's the difference now between you looking at whoever it is that
[46:20.720 -> 46:22.720] that is in your game now?
[46:22.720 -> 46:24.720] Because they're not better than me.
[46:24.800 -> 46:25.200] These people are not better than me.
[46:25.200 -> 46:26.520] These people are not better than me.
[46:26.520 -> 46:28.080] That's what you've learned to say.
[46:28.080 -> 46:29.440] Yeah.
[46:29.440 -> 46:32.760] And again, that really sounds like,
[46:32.760 -> 46:33.880] if you're listening, you'll be like,
[46:33.880 -> 46:36.360] you sound a bit like a dickhead now, Tom.
[46:36.360 -> 46:37.360] I'm not being a dickhead.
[46:37.360 -> 46:42.600] I really believe that these people aren't better than me.
[46:42.600 -> 46:47.500] They might be, but in myself, I'm saying that these people aren't better than me. They probably might be, but in myself I'm saying that these
[46:47.500 -> 46:50.260] people aren't better than me because as soon as I say that these people are
[46:50.260 -> 46:56.140] better than me, I'm failing. You're giving up. I've given up 100%. I'm not
[46:56.140 -> 47:01.860] saying that these people are better than me because like I want them to fail, I'm
[47:01.860 -> 47:06.320] saying it because I don't want myself to go, now these lot are better
[47:06.320 -> 47:07.960] than me, I can't get to that next level.
[47:07.960 -> 47:12.080] Yeah, I think it's really powerful because it makes it available to you. If you are saying
[47:12.080 -> 47:16.840] that I'm as good as them or better than them and they've got that that I want, well then
[47:16.840 -> 47:21.680] I can go and have it because I'm at that level of ability. I think as soon as, you know,
[47:21.680 -> 47:27.520] life is already going to kick you in the balls and slap you across the face And you've you've seen a million times over you know all kinds of things
[47:28.160 -> 47:29.280] None of them are your fault
[47:29.280 -> 47:31.720] But all of them are your responsibility in truth to deal with it
[47:31.720 -> 47:34.640] It's the same as this is not your fault that there's X or Y
[47:35.540 -> 47:38.080] Selling millions of albums. Yeah, but it's your responsibility
[47:39.400 -> 47:42.520] To go and beat those sales if that's the thing that drives you on. Yeah, exactly
[47:43.360 -> 47:48.920] It is exciting. It's exciting. That is a that is like a good feeling, that gives me,
[47:48.920 -> 47:52.960] that gives me like, I'm like I can't wait to go to the studio today, because I'm gonna
[47:52.960 -> 47:57.360] show, I'm gonna really make something cool. And do you like conversations like this? Yeah
[47:57.360 -> 48:06.060] I love it, love it. I feel like these conversations here like, I always do feel a bit like I find it hard to give advice
[48:06.060 -> 48:12.060] because I'm just a normal kid from Bedford like why are people listening to
[48:12.060 -> 48:16.860] my advice do you know what I mean? I think it's cool that people are wanting to listen to
[48:16.860 -> 48:21.740] my advice but I find it hard to give advice because I know what
[48:21.740 -> 48:26.540] I'm doing inside me and I know my and also like sometimes these
[48:26.540 -> 48:35.540] conversations can be some people be like mate you sound like you are I know but
[48:35.540 -> 48:41.780] that's the world we live in but again like I don't care yeah I like I'm
[48:41.780 -> 48:45.200] actually I sit here feeling really excited for you because I don't think
[48:45.880 -> 48:47.880] we've had anyone here with a
[48:48.360 -> 48:51.480] mental strength that feels as bulletproof or as
[48:52.440 -> 48:58.840] like solid and as real as yours. The flipping of things, the belief, the optimism, the desire.
[48:59.560 -> 49:02.160] I just think it's so like, I think it's so inspiring.
[49:02.160 -> 49:06.240] I mean I remember as a kid, and this sounds weird sounds weird been in a nightclub right and I had just started
[49:06.240 -> 49:10.440] on telly before kids telly before Formula One before anything and no one I
[49:10.440 -> 49:14.920] knew I was because I was on like local TV and I'm going into the toilets in the
[49:14.920 -> 49:18.520] in the nightclub right and I think I was really disciplined at that age and didn't
[49:18.520 -> 49:21.680] drink or anything I remember banging all these numbers on my phone like random
[49:21.680 -> 49:28.120] numbers because I so wound up that I didn't have a good TV career at that time and then I used to redial that
[49:28.120 -> 49:33.040] number every week whenever I felt like the the sort of desire in me was
[49:33.040 -> 49:37.440] starting to melt away a bit and remind myself how it felt in that moment you
[49:37.440 -> 49:42.000] know that real deep desire and I think it I think you have it I think you have
[49:42.000 -> 49:45.800] it probably more now than you ever have I can sort of see that definitely I
[49:46.360 -> 49:49.480] feel like for me, I just need to
[49:51.280 -> 49:55.520] Carry on with what I'm doing and not be distracted by
[49:56.720 -> 50:02.880] Other things as well like people if you have to make decisions in life to avoid that definitely
[50:02.880 -> 50:05.000] I've had to like what we've done about to distance myself from a lot of a lot of people I've had to make decisions in life to avoid that? Definitely, I've had to like... What have you done?
[50:05.000 -> 50:07.800] I've had to distance myself from a lot of people,
[50:07.800 -> 50:11.600] I've had to understand that my relationship with alcohol,
[50:11.600 -> 50:15.400] I like, I need to stay away from that stuff.
[50:15.400 -> 50:17.600] I'm amazed though that someone with your mental strength
[50:17.600 -> 50:20.200] even went there in the first place.
[50:20.200 -> 50:29.600] Yeah, I think I wanted to please a lot of people. I think I got I was easily led I
[50:30.600 -> 50:35.920] Thought it was the cool thing to do. I also thought like it made me think
[50:36.720 -> 50:39.000] even more the way I'm thinking but
[50:39.840 -> 50:41.840] completely differently it became I
[50:42.400 -> 50:48.240] Became like the biggest is egotistical twat ever. I didn't realize that.
[50:50.120 -> 50:54.520] Was there an incident that gave you that moment of recognition?
[50:54.520 -> 50:59.400] Because you're self-aware enough to recognize in football, I can't get to that next level.
[50:59.400 -> 51:02.720] Was there a similar moment when you thought...
[51:02.720 -> 51:04.320] I've got a problem here.
[51:04.320 -> 51:08.200] Yeah. Probably when my mum came
[51:08.200 -> 51:14.700] and and was like you need to come home. I was just in London around the wrong
[51:14.700 -> 51:19.560] people. I was hiding the fact like I'd be coming I'd be going to like different
[51:19.560 -> 51:25.360] things and I was hiding. I was very good at like, just acting like everything's fine.
[51:25.360 -> 51:28.440] I think understanding that I am not,
[51:29.520 -> 51:33.180] my mind and my soul is better when I'm sober
[51:35.880 -> 51:37.460] or when I feel good.
[51:39.560 -> 51:42.340] Alcohol, I've not had a problem with alcohol.
[51:42.340 -> 51:44.520] Like my relationship with alcohol is,
[51:44.520 -> 51:46.940] I can have an easy drink now.
[51:47.800 -> 51:50.380] When I say easy drink, I mean like a responsible drink
[51:50.380 -> 51:52.860] with like, if I'm in a nice environment
[51:52.860 -> 51:56.340] with people that I trust and then that's fine.
[51:56.340 -> 51:58.500] And exercise, like I said earlier,
[51:58.500 -> 52:00.780] like CrossFit and different exercises
[52:00.780 -> 52:04.380] have completely changed the way I think.
[52:04.380 -> 52:05.940] I don't do it for physical like appearance. I don't do it for physical
[52:05.940 -> 52:10.040] like appearance, I don't do it for appearance. You sure? I've seen your
[52:10.040 -> 52:16.720] Instagram, there's some good top of the shots on there. Don't get me wrong, it looks sweet. I do it for my
[52:16.720 -> 52:23.400] mental because it, the CrossFit thing, like you are in this workout and you are
[52:23.400 -> 52:26.960] fighting for your life in this CrossFit, but you and you this workout and you are fighting for your life in this crossfit.
[52:26.960 -> 52:29.440] And you know that if you get to the end,
[52:29.440 -> 52:31.060] positive things are gonna happen.
[52:31.060 -> 52:32.440] And the positive things that are gonna happen
[52:32.440 -> 52:34.720] at the end of the workout is that you're gonna feel great.
[52:34.720 -> 52:38.440] So I take that into my work
[52:38.440 -> 52:40.760] and it changes my work completely.
[52:40.760 -> 52:44.400] Like people in my team, like with label,
[52:44.400 -> 52:47.080] with management, with my back if I
[52:47.080 -> 52:51.800] haven't done my routine and daily workout and all that kind of stuff they
[52:51.800 -> 52:56.160] know they're like you alright? I'm like yeah I'm alright but I've got energy in me
[52:56.160 -> 53:01.680] that needs to to come out. Well then tell us about the inner circle now then so
[53:01.680 -> 53:09.440] you've obviously learned you've been like you've flown closer to the Sun you've burnt a little bit, you've had that moment where your mum's called you home.
[53:09.440 -> 53:10.440] Yeah.
[53:10.440 -> 53:22.000] What are the questions or the criteria that you set now for anybody to get into your inner circle that you know is going to add value as opposed to take from you?
[53:22.000 -> 53:24.000] I don't really know.
[53:24.000 -> 53:27.320] Is it hard to trust people? No, because I trust, I trust
[53:27.320 -> 53:34.840] easily, but I've got people that around me that will go, see ya. Again, I should
[53:34.840 -> 53:39.880] probably do it myself, but my missus says to me, you're too nice, you're too, like,
[53:39.880 -> 53:47.520] too willing, you're too, like, I'm... A people ple Oh, yeah, I'm a people pleaser and it goes back to the attention thing
[53:47.520 -> 53:52.260] I love that when somebody's happy and I can make some I'm not all wicked
[53:52.660 -> 53:58.120] We've almost reached the end of our interview where we do our quickfire questions. Yeah before we get there cool
[53:58.120 -> 54:01.720] I just would love to know from you what you think the future looks like
[54:02.400 -> 54:06.720] Considering this is a conversation where you're a guy with real optimism and you don't have to be humble at this point
[54:06.720 -> 54:10.120] like cool if you close your eyes and think five years time five years yeah
[54:10.120 -> 54:15.880] what would the dream be five years time I'm gonna give you a year because just
[54:15.880 -> 54:30.680] do it five years let's go for a year a year number one album a number one single and loads more gigs and success in life. Not just gigging, just being able to
[54:30.680 -> 54:41.880] say like I'm happy, my family happy and I'm just still on a path of being able
[54:41.880 -> 54:46.480] to get to the next point. Right here we We go then your three non-negotiable behaviors
[54:46.720 -> 54:49.040] That people around you really should be buying into
[54:49.680 -> 54:51.080] politeness
[54:51.080 -> 54:53.080] kindness and
[54:54.600 -> 54:59.800] Drive and aspiration and stuff like that bit of ambition ambition. That's the one. Yeah
[54:59.800 -> 55:10.560] What's your biggest strength and your greatest weakness? My biggest strength would probably be my people pleaser. I think that's a strength but it
[55:10.560 -> 55:14.120] also is my biggest weakness, definitely.
[55:14.120 -> 55:19.400] What advice would you give to a teenage Tom just starting out?
[55:19.400 -> 55:28.000] The advice I'd give to myself would just be like keep doing what you're doing and enjoy the moments
[55:28.000 -> 55:34.360] because they're gonna be some great moments. And the final question your sort
[55:34.360 -> 55:37.280] of final message really for people that have listened to this really fascinating
[55:37.280 -> 55:41.080] conversation after all the things you've been through the things you've learned
[55:41.080 -> 55:46.820] what would you say is your one golden rule for living a high performance life?
[55:46.820 -> 55:51.680] The golden rule is to enjoy it,
[55:51.680 -> 55:55.840] but also don't be afraid to not be able to swim.
[55:55.840 -> 55:58.120] Being uncomfortable is a good thing.
[55:58.120 -> 56:00.720] So living a high performance life,
[56:00.720 -> 56:03.840] if you're uncomfortable in them situations,
[56:03.840 -> 56:10.680] then you're doing something good. Definitely. Brilliant. Mate, seeking discomfort you've just summed
[56:10.680 -> 56:14.680] up high performance perfectly for us. I think, you know, thank you for like being
[56:14.680 -> 56:17.720] so honest. Thank you. About the things you've been through, the things you've
[56:17.720 -> 56:21.280] learned, but I think that you know the really big takeaway for people listening
[56:21.280 -> 56:30.080] to this who might be struggling themselves is this ability to flip the negative into the positive because I think the
[56:30.080 -> 56:32.600] greatest thing about that is whatever your future holds whatever happens even
[56:32.600 -> 56:37.880] tomorrow if you can flip then you can keep hold of your optimism and what are
[56:37.880 -> 56:45.760] we if we're not optimistic eh? Yeah definitely. Flip that thought. Thanks sir. definitely flip that for really good
[56:47.480 -> 56:53.080] Damian Jake well another conversation with someone where we start thinking
[56:53.080 -> 56:58.120] that we know them and we end it really knowing them it was amazing I think but
[56:58.120 -> 57:03.120] we were talking about the title of this whole podcast today with Tom should be
[57:03.120 -> 57:06.120] about flipping the
[57:04.320 -> 57:09.200] script and I think that's exactly what
[57:06.120 -> 57:10.800] he's just done in an hour of
[57:09.200 -> 57:12.640] conversation is flip the script in terms
[57:10.800 -> 57:15.080] of what you might think of Tom Grennan
[57:12.640 -> 57:18.600] versus what the reality is. And I think it
[57:15.080 -> 57:20.280] also flips people's minds regarding what
[57:18.600 -> 57:22.800] high performance means. You know high
[57:20.280 -> 57:26.920] performance is not the big house, the big
[57:22.800 -> 57:25.960] car, the big paycheck. It is
[57:25.960 -> 57:29.680] doing the things that Tom has learned to do, which is taking the inevitable
[57:29.680 -> 57:33.160] setbacks in life. You know, nobody goes through life and things are easy.
[57:33.160 -> 57:37.440] Everyone has setbacks, everyone has knocks, everyone has, you know, punches to
[57:37.440 -> 57:41.240] the stomach. It's about, not just about getting over those things, because I
[57:41.240 -> 57:49.320] think a lot of people can do that, but then I think a lot of people can do that but then I think a lot of people then allow that stuff to sort of infest and negatively impact
[57:49.320 -> 57:52.420] them for years and years. It's about not just getting through it but it's about
[57:52.420 -> 57:55.600] getting through it in a healthy way and the fact that he can now stand there and
[57:55.600 -> 58:00.120] say the guy that broke my jaw in a random attack is the fuel for me before
[58:00.120 -> 58:09.740] I go on stage or before I write a song or before I perform. What a brilliantly healthy way to view life. Yeah and I think what Tom's given us
[58:09.740 -> 58:14.300] there that I think is invaluable is that that mindset is accessible to all of us
[58:14.300 -> 58:18.680] you know if you're a kid listening to this and you're thinking you want to be
[58:18.680 -> 58:22.140] different and there's a path you want to pursue like him wearing his Ugg boots
[58:22.140 -> 58:46.720] flip the script and when people are making fun of you see it as something i'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o'r fath o wahanol i chi fynd ymlaen. Pan ydych chi, yn y sefyllfa, fel y dywedwch,
[58:46.720 -> 58:50.920] yn ymdrechu o'r trauma o'r mhartreth o'r cwmni,
[58:50.920 -> 58:52.280] gwneud y sgript a meddwl,
[58:52.280 -> 58:54.480] byddwn i'n mynd i ddefnyddio'r mhartreth fel ffordd
[58:54.480 -> 58:57.320] i gael eu enw i'r byd a gwneud gwahaniaeth.
[58:57.320 -> 59:02.040] Mae'n bwysig i chi ddim cael ymgynghori ar un peth,
[59:02.040 -> 59:04.640] ond i weld, i gael y gweithlefon meddwl
[59:04.640 -> 59:05.120] i wneud y gymnastig, i'w ddarllen i rhai pethau on one thing but to see that have that
[59:03.680 -> 59:07.520] mental flexibility to do the
[59:05.120 -> 59:09.960] gymnastics to translate it into
[59:07.520 -> 59:12.240] something more useful and helpful and
[59:09.960 -> 59:14.760] profound for us. And I think where Tom is
[59:12.240 -> 59:16.720] especially impressive is he's still in
[59:14.760 -> 59:18.360] the trenches, he's still in the heart of
[59:16.720 -> 59:20.640] his career, he's almost at the start of his
[59:18.360 -> 59:23.120] career in many ways, he's still a young guy.
[59:20.640 -> 59:24.960] I often think this reflection and this
[59:23.120 -> 59:27.200] honesty and this ability to look at
[59:24.960 -> 59:26.720] things and really see them for what they still a young guy, I often think this reflection and this honesty and this
[59:23.880 -> 59:28.000] ability to look at things and really see
[59:26.720 -> 59:29.600] them for what they actually are rather
[59:28.000 -> 59:31.120] than what you think they are. I think a
[59:29.600 -> 59:33.200] lot of people get there but they often
[59:31.120 -> 59:35.040] get there at the end of a career or in
[59:33.200 -> 59:36.680] their 60s or even in their 70s or
[59:35.040 -> 59:40.120] perhaps even later. For him to be there
[59:36.680 -> 59:42.560] now and to see things for the value they
[59:40.120 -> 59:44.440] can bring rather than the opposite, I
[59:42.560 -> 59:50.400] think that is pretty rare actually. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, but I think it's really
[59:50.400 -> 59:54.480] powerful and I don't know, like as you're saying, I don't know, my mind's going to
[59:54.480 -> 59:59.400] that conversation that we had with him about neurodiversity, you know, whether
[59:59.400 -> 01:00:07.000] that sometimes that people that have dyslexia may see it as a stigma or as a difficulty to be overcome, whereas he's seen it as a superpower that allows him y gall ddyslexiaid ei weld fel stigma, neu fel difficuldade i'w ddod o'r ffordd.
[01:00:07.000 -> 01:00:09.000] Ond mae'n ei weld fel pwerus
[01:00:09.000 -> 01:00:11.000] sy'n gallu gysylltu'r dots
[01:00:11.000 -> 01:00:13.000] mewn ffordd gwahanol.
[01:00:13.000 -> 01:00:15.000] Ac dwi ddim yn gwybod
[01:00:15.000 -> 01:00:17.000] os yw hynny'r hyn rydyn ni'n ei glywed
[01:00:17.000 -> 01:00:19.000] yn ei ddysglu yno,
[01:00:19.000 -> 01:00:21.000] ond mae'r gallu i ddefnyddio pethau
[01:00:21.000 -> 01:00:23.000] yn y moment yn eithaf gallanol.
[01:00:23.000 -> 01:00:26.880] Mae yna ddysg dda o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd
[01:00:26.880 -> 01:00:29.280] o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd
[01:00:29.280 -> 01:00:34.280] a'r sylwad yw, pan fyddwch chi'n gwneud ymweld â Google,
[01:00:34.280 -> 01:00:37.440] mae'r algorithmydd yn rhoi'r cyfrifiadau y byddwch chi'n meddwl
[01:00:37.440 -> 01:00:40.120] y byddwch chi'n eisiau o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd
[01:00:40.120 -> 01:00:43.360] a'r hyn y mae Tom yn gwneud yn dda iawn yw
[01:00:43.360 -> 01:00:47.000] brifysgriwio'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r fen allan o'r fuddau ffiltrau hynny o sut rydyn ni'n meddwl bod yn realiaeth
[01:00:47.000 -> 01:00:50.000] ac yn gallu eu hymdrech yn ffyrdd gwahanol.
[01:00:50.000 -> 01:00:56.000] Ond eto, mae hynny'n dod i mewn i gael y gofod o'ch cyfrifiadau, i ddod i'r fath yn llai'n gwag,
[01:00:56.000 -> 01:01:01.000] i ddim cael ymgyrchu yn ceisio cyflawni neu i fod yn rhan o'r grwp,
[01:01:01.000 -> 01:01:05.280] ond, wyt ti'n gwybod, gwneud y grwp yn cyd-gynhyrchu ar y rhan o chi a'r lle rydyn ni'n mynd. Rydw i'n mwynhau'r peth, mate. Ie, i mi hefyd. Diolch, mate. Diolch, Damien. part of the group, but you know, letting the group coalesce around you and where you're
[01:01:05.280 -> 01:01:09.920] heading. I really enjoyed it mate. Yeah, me too. Thanks mate. Thanks Damien.
[01:01:09.920 -> 01:01:13.760] Well I really hope that as always you enjoyed today's episode. Listen, I only
[01:01:13.760 -> 01:01:18.360] ask just one very simple thing from you. Please share something from this episode,
[01:01:18.360 -> 01:01:22.980] share a clip, share a thought, share the link to the episode with someone. So
[01:01:22.980 -> 01:01:27.800] please, remain humble, remain curious, remain empathetic,
[01:01:28.200 -> 01:01:29.520] and we'll see you very soon
[01:01:29.520 -> 01:01:32.480] for another episode of High Performance.
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