E158 - Max Whitlock: Why even the most successful winners can struggle

Max Whitlock is a six-time Olympic winning artistic gymnast. He became Britain's first ever Olympic gold medalist in artistic gymnastics in the 2016 Olympics. In this episode they dive deep into mental health, Max’s fear of failure and the pressures he faced as an Olympic gymnast. Max speaks openly about his battle with depression, how he struggled when gymnastics was removed from his life and how important self improvement and setting new goals has been in his recovery. 

He shares the techniques he uses to challenge negative thought patterns and how he gets himself motivated. They discuss the importance of routine and structure, but how this can also be your downfall…

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[00:21.400 -> 00:24.520] Hi there, I'm Jay Comfrey, and you're listening to High Performance,
[00:24.520 -> 00:25.520] our conversation for
[00:25.520 -> 00:31.320] you every single week. This podcast reminds you that it's within. Your ambition, your
[00:31.320 -> 00:35.680] purpose, your story, it's all there. We're just here to unlock it by turning the lived
[00:35.680 -> 00:41.320] experiences of the planet's highest performers into your life lessons. Myself and Damian
[00:41.320 -> 00:45.280] Hughes are about to speak to one of the most impressive sports people on the planet
[00:45.400 -> 00:49.640] So they can be your teacher. Remember this isn't about high achievement or high success
[00:49.920 -> 00:55.160] It's celebrating the real stuff high happiness high self-worth high self-care
[00:55.960 -> 01:01.360] And that's exactly what we discuss on today's high performance podcast. I
[01:03.080 -> 01:07.180] Think it's about me then going forwards into that pressure environment, that competition
[01:07.180 -> 01:11.780] or event or wherever it is, that I've done all I can.
[01:11.780 -> 01:15.700] And I think when you do that, pressure does lift slightly.
[01:15.700 -> 01:19.740] It doesn't lift completely, but it lifts slightly because actually there was no more that I
[01:19.740 -> 01:23.620] could do in that period leading up to the competition or there's no more I could do
[01:23.620 -> 01:27.120] literally on the day of the competition. I've checked everything off.
[01:27.120 -> 01:32.520] It wasn't sustainable almost having that mask up. I think I didn't realise at the
[01:32.520 -> 01:36.440] time but one day that's gonna come tumbling on you and it's gonna start
[01:36.440 -> 01:40.520] crashing and I think it got to a point where it did. So that made me fall
[01:40.520 -> 01:43.800] into this rut and I just struggled with it. I just felt completely lost in what to do.
[01:43.800 -> 01:46.760] Motivation was so low and I think motivation
[01:46.760 -> 01:50.120] for me being low was, it was quite hard to deal with.
[01:50.120 -> 01:54.120] I felt sluggish, I felt drained, tired every single day.
[01:55.000 -> 01:59.280] It's a mental game and that's where you see in sport,
[01:59.280 -> 02:01.760] especially, but in any pressured environment,
[02:01.760 -> 02:04.080] the most talented people in the world
[02:04.080 -> 02:12.080] that would win every day in the training gym crumble under that pressure because it's a mental game. So today we welcome
[02:12.080 -> 02:17.760] Max Whitlock, the most remarkable male gymnast that this country has ever seen, one of the most
[02:17.760 -> 02:26.000] impressive Olympians that we've ever had, a man who has every single year, year after year, focused on winning.
[02:26.000 -> 02:31.000] Whether it's at the Commonwealth, whether it's at the Europeans or the Worlds or of course at the Olympics.
[02:31.000 -> 02:37.000] Max Whitlock has become one of the go-to golden boys for Team GB in the Olympics.
[02:37.000 -> 02:43.000] But here's the truth, even someone who's achieved all that he has, even someone who has all that he has,
[02:43.000 -> 02:49.920] he still struggles, he still suffers. And whether it is Danny Cipriani, whether it's Tyson Fury, whose episode will
[02:49.920 -> 02:54.160] be out very soon, or whether it's one of the many, many people that have joined us on this
[02:54.160 -> 02:59.160] podcast to reveal the truth about their mental health challenges, I'm so excited and pleased
[02:59.160 -> 03:03.320] that we're able to finally have these kinds of conversations. So here we go then. This
[03:03.320 -> 03:06.700] is Max Whitlock telling us the recent challenges
[03:06.700 -> 03:08.140] that he's had with his mental health.
[03:08.140 -> 03:09.660] And I think it's important to point out that,
[03:09.660 -> 03:12.140] you know, this is something that he's in the middle of
[03:12.140 -> 03:12.980] at the moment.
[03:12.980 -> 03:15.860] This is not something that Max is able to process
[03:15.860 -> 03:17.860] over two or three years and then reflect on.
[03:17.860 -> 03:19.780] This is something that he is living with at the moment,
[03:19.780 -> 03:22.300] something he is challenged by at the moment,
[03:22.300 -> 03:24.820] every single day, but also something that,
[03:24.820 -> 03:25.640] as you will hear him say
[03:25.640 -> 03:28.480] in this podcast has given him the clarity
[03:28.480 -> 03:30.520] to make sure that the next time
[03:30.520 -> 03:32.320] he walks out at a major tournament,
[03:32.320 -> 03:35.920] he does so with less fear than ever before
[03:35.920 -> 03:38.440] because of the path that he's walked recently.
[03:38.440 -> 03:40.560] Listen, I really hope that if you're struggling
[03:40.560 -> 03:42.000] or if you know people who are struggling,
[03:42.000 -> 03:45.520] this podcast provides a great help. Let's
[03:45.520 -> 03:57.160] welcome to high performance Olympic champion Max Whitlock.
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[06:40.280 -> 06:43.880] Let's start with what high performance means to you, Max.
[06:43.880 -> 06:48.800] I think for me it's a tricky one because as a person I always advise and always try and do as
[06:48.800 -> 06:54.480] much as I can myself in terms of never comparing to others, which is becoming increasingly more
[06:54.480 -> 06:58.720] difficult nowadays with social media and everything like that. But I think when it comes to performance
[06:58.720 -> 07:10.720] I think it's measured and I think you kind of, if you're're labeled or you're seen as a high-performance individual or group I think it is excelling above others in
[07:10.720 -> 07:15.720] the same field I think it has to be but I think one of the biggest points is is
[07:15.720 -> 07:19.600] doing it consistently so doing it and sustaining it so it's never seen as
[07:19.600 -> 07:23.520] maybe a one-time thing or it could have been a fluke like I think it has to be
[07:23.520 -> 07:29.520] something that it's almost seen like that person or that group have got a method, they've got this, what they do,
[07:29.520 -> 07:32.600] whatever they do, it works and it's sustainable.
[07:32.600 -> 07:37.640] So for people listening to this who have great days and not so great days, what advice would
[07:37.640 -> 07:43.000] you give them regarding consistency? How did you find it and keep it?
[07:43.000 -> 08:05.140] Consistency is really difficult because I think a lot of people look in and from the outside looking in they can easily look at athletes and look at people that have achieved a lot of results and a lot of success throughout their whole career and just think that it's fine and dandy and they've, you know, every day is that knowing that it's not like that.
[08:05.140 -> 08:06.960] Everyone is human, everyone's gonna make mistakes,
[08:06.960 -> 08:09.200] nobody's perfect, nobody knows all the answers,
[08:09.200 -> 08:10.680] I think is a key thing.
[08:10.680 -> 08:12.760] But just trying to have a routine in your day.
[08:12.760 -> 08:14.920] For me, I think, I live for routines.
[08:14.920 -> 08:18.360] Gymnastics is, I go out there, I perform routines.
[08:18.360 -> 08:19.960] But I probably do get a bit obsessive
[08:19.960 -> 08:20.960] when I'm outside the gym.
[08:20.960 -> 08:24.360] You know, routine is how I structure everything.
[08:24.360 -> 08:25.760] So when I go to competitions
[08:25.760 -> 08:29.800] it's completely based and it's completely the same. It's a mirror image of how I go
[08:29.800 -> 08:31.200] into training in the gym.
[08:31.200 -> 08:32.200] Talk us through that.
[08:32.200 -> 08:37.680] So I think it's almost, it goes into the tiny details of, you know, if you was to go into
[08:37.680 -> 08:42.720] my gym bag, everything's where I put it, everything's, you know, I know where everything is. So a
[08:42.720 -> 08:45.240] lot of people sometimes their gym bags
[08:45.240 -> 08:46.080] would look a mess.
[08:46.080 -> 08:47.760] Like they'd have stuff, they'd have their guards,
[08:47.760 -> 08:48.600] they'd have their gym shoes,
[08:48.600 -> 08:51.480] everything will just be all bundled into one.
[08:51.480 -> 08:53.800] Mine's all laid out, I'm organized.
[08:53.800 -> 08:55.760] Like it's all set like that.
[08:55.760 -> 08:59.240] And I think so, I think everything's set like that.
[08:59.240 -> 09:00.480] Me going into competitions,
[09:00.480 -> 09:02.880] me going into pressure environments,
[09:02.880 -> 09:04.960] uncomfortable environments where you're not feeling
[09:04.960 -> 09:25.640] kind of settled or your nerves are on all time high. Mae'n dweud i mi, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, i gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd, in gyd no stone left unturned. Like, I've done everything,
[09:25.640 -> 09:26.780] and I've done everything the same
[09:26.780 -> 09:29.200] as the way I normally prepare for a training session
[09:29.200 -> 09:30.560] or a practice competition.
[09:30.560 -> 09:34.320] I go into a competition ready, in that sense.
[09:34.320 -> 09:35.960] So we'll come back to that in a moment,
[09:35.960 -> 09:40.080] but how do you avoid that falling into superstition?
[09:40.080 -> 09:42.480] It's almost hard to avoid superstitions
[09:42.480 -> 09:45.480] because I think you get into a pattern of, you know, I suppose if something works, Mae'n eithaf anodd i ddod o hyd i'r cyfathrebu, oherwydd rwy'n credu y byddwch chi'n mynd i mewn i ffyrdd o,
[09:45.480 -> 09:48.880] dwi'n meddwl, os fydd rhywbeth yn gweithio,
[09:48.880 -> 09:51.520] y byddwch chi'n mynd i ffyrdd o meddwl o'r amser rydych chi wedi'i wneud,
[09:51.520 -> 09:53.400] mae'n gweithio ar gyfer y cyfan nesaf.
[09:53.400 -> 09:55.000] Felly yna byddwch chi'n mynd i mewn i ffyrdd o meddwl,
[09:55.000 -> 09:56.240] iawn, rhaid i mi wneud hynny a hynny,
[09:56.240 -> 09:57.520] oherwydd dyna beth dwi wedi'i wneud yn y tro diwedd.
[09:57.520 -> 09:59.040] Ac os dydw i ddim,
[09:59.040 -> 10:00.600] dydyn nhw ddim yn mynd i'r lle y byddai.
[10:00.600 -> 10:02.480] Felly mae'n anodd,
[10:02.480 -> 10:05.840] ond i mi, rwy'n ceisio meddwl am y ffynonell technol o hynny,
[10:05.840 -> 10:09.440] o ran gael pobeth yn ymgyrchu, o ran yr hyn rydw i'n ei wneud,
[10:09.440 -> 10:11.040] a sut rydw i'n ei wneud, a pwy ydw i'n ei wneud,
[10:11.040 -> 10:13.760] a chael popeth yn barod a'n sefydlog, ond yna'n gwneud popeth.
[10:13.760 -> 10:15.280] Felly bydd y cymorth yn y mhobl amser,
[10:15.280 -> 10:17.760] yw'n golygu fy mod i'n ei wneud popeth yn unig.
[10:17.760 -> 10:19.440] Ac os gallaf wneud hynny, cymaint y gallaf,
[10:19.440 -> 10:21.120] cymaint y gallaf gwella,
[10:21.120 -> 10:22.240] rwy'n credu yw'n ymwneud â mi,
[10:22.240 -> 10:24.480] yna'n mynd i mewn i'r amgylchedd pwysig,
[10:24.480 -> 10:28.840] y cymdeithas neu'r cyfansodd, neu pwysicau, y gwnawn i'r un cyfansodd. I could control. I think it's about me then going forwards into that pressure environment, that competition or event or wherever it is, that I've done all I can
[10:28.840 -> 10:34.480] and I think when you do that, pressure does lift slightly. It doesn't lift
[10:34.480 -> 10:38.000] completely but it lifts slightly because actually there was no more that I could
[10:38.000 -> 10:41.440] do in that period leading up to the competition or there's no more I could
[10:41.440 -> 10:48.320] do literally on the day of the competition. I've checked everything off and I'm ready to go and the only thing I can go and do is my best shot and I oedd y cymhwysedd, oedd dim beth y gallwn ei wneud, yn llwyr, ar y diwrnod o'r cymhwysedd. Rydw i wedi gwblhau'r holl beth ac rydw i'n barod i fynd ac y unig peth y gallwn fynd a'i wneud yw fy nghyflawn.
[10:48.320 -> 10:53.680] Ac rwy'n credu mai dyna'r sylfaen rydw i wedi ei wneud ar gyfer pob cymhwysedd. Rwy'n credu
[10:53.680 -> 10:58.560] bod hynny'n rhywbeth rydw i wedi dysgu sut i gymhwyso'n well ac dyna'r hyn rydw i'n ei wneud.
[10:58.560 -> 11:02.560] Mae'n ein gofyn i ni, pan gafom gynhadledd gyda Tom Daly,
[11:02.560 -> 11:06.000] a ddweud am y methodoleg sy'n ymdrech i chi,
[11:06.000 -> 11:08.000] ond addio
[11:08.000 -> 11:10.000] yn element gwirioneddol
[11:10.000 -> 11:12.000] ymdrech i ni ddweud am gyflawni
[11:12.000 -> 11:14.000] ymgyrch yn rhan o'r
[11:14.000 -> 11:16.000] ymgyrch hefyd o weithio allan
[11:16.000 -> 11:18.000] bethau y gallai gyrraedd yn gyflawni
[11:18.000 -> 11:20.000] a gallai gael perfformiad.
[11:20.000 -> 11:22.000] Felly, felly, os oedd
[11:22.000 -> 11:24.000] hynny'n rhan bwysig o'i rhwydwaith
[11:24.000 -> 11:27.000] a os oedd yn ymdreithio, os oedd yn digwydd,
[11:27.000 -> 11:31.640] y byddai'n teimlo hefyd y gallai'n ymdrechu gyda'r pwysicau sy'n gallu gyda'r ffordd hynny.
[11:31.640 -> 11:32.240] Ydych chi?
[11:32.240 -> 11:32.880] Dydw i ddim.
[11:32.880 -> 11:33.840] Mae'n ddiddordeb.
[11:33.840 -> 11:36.240] Rwy'n credu bod pawb yn gweithio'n wahanol,
[11:36.240 -> 11:38.000] ond rwy'n credu efallai y mae wedi mynd drwy ddysgu
[11:38.000 -> 11:40.040] sydd wedi'i dylunio i ffeithio mewn ffordd yna
[11:40.040 -> 11:42.160] a dyna mewn gwirionedd yn helpu hi ar gyfer ei sefyllfa.
[11:42.160 -> 11:43.280] Felly rwy'n credu
[11:43.280 -> 11:48.560] rwyf bob amser wedi ceisio dal ar y rhan o'r ffyrdd sydd, yw, that actually helps him now in his situation. So I think I've always tried to stay on the side of the fence. A prime example in Tokyo before
[11:48.560 -> 11:52.360] my final, my Olympic Pummel Horse final, was the most nervous I've ever felt.
[11:52.360 -> 11:56.320] Pressure was all-time high, expectancy was at all-time high. The whole day, so my
[11:56.320 -> 12:01.200] final was at 7 p.m. The whole day I was literally battling in my head trying to
[12:01.200 -> 12:06.000] stay on the positive side. Negative sides slip in like potentially you can muck up on this, potentially you can muck up on that, all this stuff. That's only natural but yn fy mhro, yn ceisio gweld y bwysigrwydd. Mae'r ffyrdd negatif yn mynd, fel gallwch chi gweithio ar hyn,
[12:06.000 -> 12:08.000] gallwch chi gweithio ar hyn,
[12:08.000 -> 12:10.000] i gyd, mae'r rhai hwn.
[12:10.000 -> 12:12.000] Dyna'n unig yn naturiol, ond i mi
[12:12.000 -> 12:14.000] ar y pryd, rwy'n ei gysylltu,
[12:14.000 -> 12:16.000] rwy'n ceisio gweld hynny i'r ddŵr
[12:16.000 -> 12:18.000] fel mwyaf gallwn.
[12:18.000 -> 12:20.000] Rwy'n credu, i hi ddweud bod yn gallu
[12:20.000 -> 12:22.000] ei ddweud, mae'n ymgyrchu'r mhro
[12:22.000 -> 12:24.000] ac yn ymgyrchu'r rhan honno.
[12:24.000 -> 12:25.760] Dyna'n eithaf yn agorol, yn un ffordd. and almost prepares for that side of it, that's quite impressive in one way.
[12:25.760 -> 12:29.560] So invite us in then to that moment of pressure
[12:29.560 -> 12:32.160] because we've had so many of our high-performing guests
[12:32.160 -> 12:36.040] that would cite you and what you do
[12:36.040 -> 12:40.080] of preparing for that one moment in a four-year cycle
[12:40.080 -> 12:42.480] as the ultimate of high performance.
[12:42.480 -> 12:44.920] So invite us in, what does pressure mean at that moment?
[12:44.920 -> 12:46.720] What are the kind of things that is creating it? fel y cyflawniad o lefelau cyhoeddiol. Felly, yn y cyfleoedd, beth yw'r pwysau ar hyn o bryd? Pa ffyrdd y gallai'r cyfleoedd
[12:46.720 -> 12:47.760] eu creu?
[12:47.760 -> 12:48.640] Ac yna, dweud wrthym,
[12:48.640 -> 12:50.920] sut yw'n ymwneud â nhw?
[12:50.920 -> 12:52.560] Rwy'n credu bod y mathau o bwysau i mi
[12:52.560 -> 12:53.440] yn ddiddorol oherwydd
[12:53.440 -> 12:54.040] mae'n newid
[12:54.040 -> 12:54.560] ar ôl i mi,
[12:54.560 -> 12:55.680] gweithio drwy fy nghyfraith.
[12:55.680 -> 12:56.640] Rwy'n credu os ydych chi'n mynd i'r ôl
[12:56.640 -> 12:58.200] i Londra yn 2012,
[12:58.200 -> 12:59.320] roedd gen i pwysau ar fy nghefn,
[12:59.320 -> 13:00.320] ond roeddwn i'n 19.
[13:00.320 -> 13:02.080] Roeddwn i'n ffyrdd o'r hollbwysau
[13:02.080 -> 13:03.040] yn mynd i mewn.
[13:03.040 -> 13:03.840] Doeddwn i ddim yn gobeithio
[13:03.840 -> 13:07.920] gynhyrchu unrhyw ddangos. Felly i mi, roeddwn i'n meddwl y pwysau o I was a kind of a youngster going in. I wasn't expected to produce any results. So for me, it was almost just the the pressure of
[13:08.720 -> 13:13.600] Just giving it our best shot and hope it pays off. That's looking back is now really
[13:14.120 -> 13:16.120] You're in a huge advantage if you're in that position
[13:16.320 -> 13:21.840] that position is one of the best positions to be in because if you work well under pressure and
[13:22.200 -> 13:26.760] You've just got that little bit on your shoulders and you're just going and giving it your all, that's really
[13:26.760 -> 13:31.320] dangerous in a competition environment. But as I kind of progressed through the
[13:31.320 -> 13:37.040] four-year cycle from London to Rio Olympics in 2016, there was a small
[13:37.040 -> 13:41.200] change in terms of me and Scott, my coach, we was on a mission on those four
[13:41.200 -> 13:51.160] years and I wanted to prove something four years later. I got results on that cycle which then basically the pressure times by ten pretty much. So
[13:51.160 -> 13:54.960] there was a lot of pressure going on my shoulders going into Rio.
[13:54.960 -> 13:57.720] Explain the results that added to the pressure, how did that work?
[13:57.720 -> 14:02.560] So for example in that cycle, so London 2012 I come out, we got a team bronze, I got an
[14:02.560 -> 14:09.740] individual bronze which was huge, huge, huge, huge and I think you know going in as never expected to do that
[14:09.800 -> 14:13.120] It kind of blew up for me and then kind of acted as a springboard
[14:13.800 -> 14:19.800] And I really kind of used that result to really push and spur me on so 2013 was successful 14
[14:19.800 -> 14:21.800] It almost rolled on
[14:22.000 -> 14:26.080] 2015 I made history and getting the first men's gold medal
[14:26.080 -> 14:27.960] at world championships.
[14:27.960 -> 14:30.800] And it was massive, but what I'd done was then,
[14:30.800 -> 14:34.000] the Olympics was coming around the following year.
[14:34.000 -> 14:35.920] So then the pressure ramped up because I thought,
[14:35.920 -> 14:37.880] if you could do it at worlds, then you can, you know,
[14:37.880 -> 14:40.760] you could go and you can have the potential to do in Rio,
[14:40.760 -> 14:41.680] which that was my target.
[14:41.680 -> 14:44.080] My target was always to be in a position to gain a title,
[14:44.080 -> 14:47.800] an Olympic title. But getting there, yeah, the pressure was really on, really
[14:47.800 -> 14:51.360] really on and it was a really interesting scenario because, I'm not
[14:51.360 -> 14:56.000] sure if you watch or remember it, but that final day I was lucky enough to
[14:56.000 -> 15:00.400] make two finals, the floor and the pommel horse. I was never expected to do
[15:00.400 -> 15:05.340] anything on floor. I was gonna be amazed if I got a medal. When I got gold
[15:05.340 -> 15:11.280] it was crazy but I had to refocus because my main target was Pommel but
[15:11.280 -> 15:14.880] what it done was it took loads of pressure off of me. So Pommel was coming
[15:14.880 -> 15:18.720] up but I'd achieved that gold medal so for me I was almost I was going for the
[15:18.720 -> 15:22.800] job that I come here to do. I felt free. But I almost felt like the pressure lifted
[15:22.800 -> 15:29.280] slightly because I'd just achieved that. So that was a huge advantage. But then the interesting part was moving from Rio to
[15:29.920 -> 15:35.920] four years later, five years later, to delayed Olympics to Tokyo. And I think it changed from
[15:35.920 -> 15:42.960] being ramped up pressure that it was in Rio, that times by 10 again, but what was kind of
[15:42.960 -> 15:45.400] plonked on top of that was expectancy.
[15:45.400 -> 15:49.800] And I think expectancy was quite difficult because it was different to
[15:49.800 -> 15:55.640] pressure in the sense that if you go and you do what you're expected to do it's
[15:55.640 -> 16:00.960] great, it's brilliant, but if you don't you're kind of seen as it's not good
[16:00.960 -> 16:07.080] enough and you're seen as a failure. And are you sure that that's what everyone was thinking?
[16:07.080 -> 16:09.680] Or are we now starting to talk about you
[16:09.680 -> 16:12.780] projecting your own thoughts onto others?
[16:12.780 -> 16:14.840] Or were these messages coming to you crystal clear
[16:14.840 -> 16:16.240] from your coaches and things?
[16:16.240 -> 16:17.640] Not from my coaches.
[16:17.640 -> 16:21.320] I think from the general public in terms of
[16:21.320 -> 16:23.680] 2018 was a clear message of this.
[16:23.680 -> 16:25.780] I got, it was a year of silvers for me. So I
[16:25.780 -> 16:31.980] got silver in Europeans and I got silver in Worlds and I got slated for it
[16:31.980 -> 16:36.760] in quite a few ways because I'd seen that I failed the whole year because I was
[16:36.760 -> 16:40.760] expected to get gold because that's what I got before. But silver in a
[16:40.760 -> 16:47.760] major championships is like... Ten years ago I would have grabbed it. Yeah. And Yeah and that was good I was a kind of hit me to think that I
[16:48.280 -> 16:55.040] Understand that now and it's seen as anything less than gold is isn't seen as what I should be getting that's how we know
[16:56.360 -> 17:03.600] So who who's seeing that in terms of what was going out in terms of how it looked in terms of headlines in terms?
[17:03.600 -> 17:08.420] Of everything like that. It was seen as I failed and that's and that's how it was. Don't get me wrong
[17:08.420 -> 17:15.540] I'm massively grateful for the amount of support because alongside this pressure alongside this everything the pressures ramped
[17:15.540 -> 17:18.140] But support is ramped up as well crazy amounts, you know
[17:18.140 -> 17:25.760] There's so many people out there that are rooting for me to go and perform to do what I'm expected to do in a way So I'm massively massively grateful for that, but there is the flip side of that expectancy sy'n rhwyddo i mi i fynd a chynhyrchu i wneud yr hyn rwy'n gobeithio i'w wneud mewn ffordd.
[17:25.760 -> 17:30.320] Felly rwy'n mwyaf, mwyaf ddiolchgar ar hynny, ond mae ymdrechion y gwirionedd honno
[17:30.320 -> 17:34.720] ac mae hynny ar eich sylweddau, ie, nid yn ddiogel.
[17:34.720 -> 17:40.000] Rydych yn gwneud amserau anhygoel o ddysgu ffysigol, rydych yn gwneud llawer o
[17:40.000 -> 17:46.160] sefyllu ar ymdrechion a'r tact tactig a'r technigaeth ac yn yr holl beth.
[17:46.160 -> 17:53.600] Pa mor help, neu pa mor amser, roeddech chi'n gweithio yn ymdrechu ag y bobl sy'n dod i'ch ffordd?
[17:53.600 -> 17:57.760] Dydw i ddim yn mynd ymlaen, ac rwy'n credu y dyna lle rwyf wedi dysgu llawer yn yr wythnos diwethaf.
[17:57.760 -> 18:02.320] Rydw i wedi bod yn gymhwyster gymdeithasol am 22 mlynedd, ac rydw i wedi bod yn ymwneud â...
[18:02.320 -> 18:05.580] Rwy'n credu bod hynny'n beth da, ond rydw i wedi ceisio dal ar y rhan positif o bethau And I've always kind of, which I think is a good thing, but I've almost tried to stay on the positive side
[18:05.580 -> 18:09.880] of things and almost had this barrier up that if I was,
[18:09.880 -> 18:12.000] if I was to ever be asked a question about anything
[18:12.000 -> 18:14.800] like that, I'd almost shut it down because I'd always want
[18:14.800 -> 18:15.640] to move forward.
[18:15.640 -> 18:17.760] I'd look forward and look towards the next thing.
[18:17.760 -> 18:20.240] So even if I was asked if I, you know,
[18:20.240 -> 18:24.400] by a team selector or another coach or anything like that,
[18:24.400 -> 18:25.160] like how's your training been?
[18:25.160 -> 18:26.000] Has it been good?
[18:26.000 -> 18:27.320] Yeah, it's been good.
[18:27.320 -> 18:29.440] Like I'd always just be like,
[18:29.440 -> 18:31.800] because I was always trying to stay on that side of it.
[18:31.800 -> 18:33.840] And for me, I felt like psychologically
[18:33.840 -> 18:35.440] that helped me stay positive.
[18:35.440 -> 18:36.640] I was on the right track.
[18:36.640 -> 18:38.080] I was doing what I was doing.
[18:38.080 -> 18:41.400] But I think that got to a point, like I said,
[18:41.400 -> 18:44.040] in the last year, it's been a massive learning curve for me
[18:44.040 -> 18:47.280] where that wasn't, it wasn't sustainable almost having that mask up
[18:47.280 -> 18:50.860] I think I didn't realize at a time, but one day that's gonna come
[18:51.720 -> 18:53.440] Tumbling on you and it's gonna start crashing
[18:53.440 -> 18:57.880] I think it it got to a point where it did but I never thought I'd be that person
[18:58.360 -> 19:02.760] That I would ever fall into a position where that all kind of crumbled on me
[19:03.080 -> 19:05.260] When you say I never thought I'd be that person
[19:05.440 -> 19:12.760] Hmm, is that because you thought that person is a weak person someone that struggles with the mental challenge
[19:12.920 -> 19:15.860] So how you'd kind of created your mindset?
[19:16.440 -> 19:23.340] Yeah. Yeah in a way I thought for me as a person. I've never really spoke about how I feel too much to people around me
[19:24.520 -> 19:26.600] Just never really talked too much to people around me, just never really talk too
[19:26.600 -> 19:34.480] much about emotions or feeling. People laugh because I got my Tokyo Gold Medal
[19:34.480 -> 19:39.440] and my celebration was was pretty much that. Do you know what I mean? I'm not, I'm just not
[19:39.440 -> 19:44.360] that type of person to just, on that side of things and on the negative side of
[19:44.360 -> 19:48.160] things to just really talk too much or explain my emotions or anything like that too much.
[19:48.160 -> 19:52.680] So I think that was really a really difficult thing for me to do and I
[19:52.680 -> 19:57.720] suppose in a way yeah I think I've probably done it because I saw myself
[19:57.720 -> 20:02.600] that if I did speak up I did do that it probably was a weak thing for me to do
[20:02.600 -> 20:05.280] but I definitely had a lot to learn in that in that in that mindset I was in y byddai'n beth ddifrif i mi ei wneud ond roedd gen i'n bwysig iawn i ddysgu yma
[20:05.280 -> 20:09.760] yn y myneddiaeth roeddwn i'n ei gael ac roedd newid hynny'n bwysig.
[20:09.760 -> 20:14.480] Ond dyna'r ymdrech i ddysgu mewn nifer o ffyrdd, nad ydych chi'n siarad am eich emociau,
[20:14.480 -> 20:22.240] dydych chi ddim yn dangos ymdrechion o'r eiliad o'r sbectrum o hwyl neu'r ddysgwyr.
[20:22.240 -> 20:27.040] Felly, dweud wrthym sut rydych chi'n dysgu ymdrech hwn o'i gosod. disappointment. So tell us about where you learn this idea of just bustling it
[20:27.040 -> 20:32.960] up. I don't know but I suppose as an athlete I've never, even when I've been
[20:32.960 -> 20:36.280] in environments where it's incredible at Olympic Games, Olympic Village, Olympic
[20:36.280 -> 20:41.040] atmosphere, the home games, London, like the atmosphere is crazy. I never take
[20:41.040 -> 20:50.200] anything in. So I've always been a person to almost kind of calm things down a bit, not kind of get overwhelmed by these situations that I'm, you know, these
[20:50.200 -> 20:54.760] environments that I'm in. Because I've always thought that actually that's, that's what
[20:54.760 -> 20:59.280] helps me as an athlete, because I'm sitting there, I'm in my zone, I'm focused on what
[20:59.280 -> 21:05.620] I'm doing. And there's no doubt that that has helped me as an athlete. There's no doubt about that.
[21:05.620 -> 21:08.960] But I think that's got to a point where it's almost
[21:08.960 -> 21:11.080] crossing across every emotion.
[21:11.080 -> 21:14.080] And I think that's where it just didn't help me.
[21:14.080 -> 21:17.220] We often sound this podcast that nothing comes for free.
[21:17.220 -> 21:18.760] So the decisions that you were making
[21:18.760 -> 21:19.600] and the work you were putting in
[21:19.600 -> 21:21.080] and the consistency you were showing
[21:21.080 -> 21:24.100] and the medals you were winning weren't free.
[21:24.100 -> 21:25.840] And the cost is something that we need to talk about
[21:26.320 -> 21:29.560] So you've already said it came crashing down. Yeah
[21:30.080 -> 21:36.660] Would you mind if you're happy to talk about it sharing for the benefit of people listening to this who?
[21:37.620 -> 21:40.780] Who may be in a similar place to where you were or where you are now?
[21:41.360 -> 21:45.440] The moment that it that it came crashing down and the impact it had?
[21:45.440 -> 21:46.640] Yeah, 100%.
[21:46.640 -> 21:50.760] I think, I think talking about the,
[21:50.760 -> 21:52.080] in terms of the process as well,
[21:52.080 -> 21:54.720] in terms of what helped, what made me fall into that,
[21:54.720 -> 21:56.320] is I think is really important as well,
[21:56.320 -> 21:58.840] because I think after Tokyo,
[22:01.240 -> 22:03.480] I always have a break after Olympic games
[22:03.480 -> 22:05.480] and I'm fortunate enough to have been to three. I'm fortunate enough to feel like I've have a break after Olympic Games and I'm fortunate enough to have been to three.
[22:05.480 -> 22:07.320] I'm fortunate enough to feel like I've learned a lot
[22:07.320 -> 22:10.280] and learned what I need to do to then return back to sport.
[22:10.280 -> 22:12.440] So after Tokyo, I had the same mindset as I did
[22:12.440 -> 22:13.920] after the other previous games
[22:13.920 -> 22:16.080] and it was you take a complete break,
[22:16.080 -> 22:17.880] like no exercise, nothing,
[22:17.880 -> 22:19.960] complete time off and fully reflect.
[22:19.960 -> 22:21.400] And there was an interesting kind of point
[22:21.400 -> 22:23.000] in that period of time
[22:23.000 -> 22:25.200] because the first three months was amazing.
[22:25.200 -> 22:30.920] It was funny because I love training, I love gymnastics, I feel fortunate to be a gymnast,
[22:30.920 -> 22:31.920] I really, really do.
[22:31.920 -> 22:32.920] I feel very, very lucky.
[22:32.920 -> 22:36.240] But I felt a real sense of freedom.
[22:36.240 -> 22:40.160] I had no ties to go to train every day.
[22:40.160 -> 22:42.960] I could be at home as much as I wanted with my family, which was incredible.
[22:42.960 -> 22:44.280] Which was a real low bar then.
[22:44.280 -> 22:45.280] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[22:45.280 -> 22:50.480] So I loved that time of it, but I think the no ties part,
[22:50.480 -> 22:54.720] and almost, I basically had a sense of contentment after Tokyo.
[22:54.720 -> 22:56.320] I just retained my Olympic title.
[22:56.960 -> 22:59.280] I've done more than I ever could have dreamt of in sport.
[22:59.280 -> 23:02.080] I never expected anything of these results, anything.
[23:02.080 -> 23:03.840] And I almost felt a period where I was content.
[23:03.840 -> 23:06.880] And I think contentment is a really interesting topic
[23:06.880 -> 23:10.360] because I always thought I was searching for contentment.
[23:10.360 -> 23:13.700] And I think sitting here, I don't think I am.
[23:13.700 -> 23:15.440] I don't think that's what I'm searching for right now,
[23:15.440 -> 23:17.360] maybe in the future, but I don't think I am right now.
[23:17.360 -> 23:20.640] And I think at that point I decided that I was done.
[23:20.640 -> 23:22.480] I was done with gymnastics, I'd finished.
[23:22.480 -> 23:23.920] But because you felt content?
[23:23.920 -> 23:25.940] I think a big part of it was because I felt content
[23:25.940 -> 23:28.900] because when I said to Scott, my coach,
[23:28.900 -> 23:30.780] to people close to me, to my family,
[23:30.780 -> 23:32.260] I sat down, I spoke to,
[23:32.260 -> 23:33.100] because it's a big thing for me.
[23:33.100 -> 23:34.420] I've been a gymnast for 22 years.
[23:34.420 -> 23:36.940] It's my identity. It's who I am, what I do.
[23:36.940 -> 23:38.340] So I sat down with people close to me
[23:38.340 -> 23:39.420] and I spoke about that.
[23:39.420 -> 23:41.660] I think it's my time now. I'm done.
[23:41.660 -> 23:43.940] And everyone was shocked, massively shocked
[23:43.940 -> 23:45.160] because no one knew it was coming. And one of my reasons, one of my bigger reasons was because that feeling'm done. Everyone was shocked, massively shocked because no one knew it was
[23:45.160 -> 23:50.000] coming and one of my reasons, one of my bigger reasons was because of that feeling of content.
[23:50.000 -> 23:54.000] But I almost felt like it was a false sense of contentment and I think the real reason
[23:54.000 -> 24:00.240] was because I had a massive fear of failure moving forwards and that's how I kind of,
[24:00.240 -> 24:03.680] I was looking to the future and I felt I've got a fear of failure in terms of I don't
[24:03.680 -> 24:09.840] want to go, potentially try and go to the next Olympics and fail, fall off, not qualify for final.
[24:09.840 -> 24:13.600] And I was almost thinking about the negative side of things which I've never done throughout my
[24:13.600 -> 24:19.040] whole career. So I almost basically reflected and that come out as I'm done and I think that's what
[24:19.040 -> 24:25.920] made my decision which was a crazy part and that's when it all started to wear off. So that sense of freedom,
[24:25.920 -> 24:28.240] that sense of just feeling just happy,
[24:28.240 -> 24:30.600] content and doing what I'm doing,
[24:30.600 -> 24:32.440] that started to wear off.
[24:32.440 -> 24:33.600] And then I started to struggle.
[24:33.600 -> 24:34.680] I started to really struggle.
[24:34.680 -> 24:38.200] And then I started to fall into this rut
[24:38.200 -> 24:42.260] where I just felt completely, completely lost.
[24:42.260 -> 24:43.320] I think as an athlete,
[24:43.320 -> 24:47.040] I kind of always looked forward
[24:47.040 -> 24:49.680] and never looked back, and I think in this position,
[24:49.680 -> 24:51.360] I've done exactly the same.
[24:51.360 -> 24:55.480] I was looking forwards, and I could see nothing, basically.
[24:55.480 -> 24:58.480] I remember sitting on the sofa, I was getting upset
[24:58.480 -> 25:01.080] talking to Leah, my wife, and just saying
[25:01.080 -> 25:02.600] that I felt like a failure.
[25:02.600 -> 25:05.600] I felt like a complete waste of space, felt
[25:05.600 -> 25:09.360] useless and it's because it didn't matter what I'd done, it didn't matter
[25:09.360 -> 25:13.500] what results I had or anything like that because that was done, that was
[25:13.500 -> 25:16.880] behind me and I had the same mindset as I was when I was an athlete in terms of
[25:16.880 -> 25:21.240] I'm looking forward and I feel lost. So that made me fall into this rut and I
[25:21.240 -> 25:28.680] just struggled with it and just felt completely lost, didn't know what to do, motivation was so low and I think motivation for me being low was quite
[25:28.680 -> 25:33.520] hard to deal with. I've always been someone that's found motivation quite easy to find
[25:33.520 -> 25:38.640] throughout my whole career, even in a sport that's quite samey day to day, I've always
[25:38.640 -> 25:50.720] been motivated. I felt sluggish, I felt drained, tired every single day. I even went, Leah booked me a blood test because just to try and check things, to see, to try
[25:50.720 -> 25:55.760] and find kind of what the answer was, everything come back fine, which I suppose was a positive
[25:55.760 -> 26:03.920] and I think it kind of, as I started talking to Leah, I started talking to my family, which
[26:03.920 -> 26:05.720] took me a long time, a really long time.
[26:05.720 -> 26:10.920] How hard was that? Yeah really hard and what's annoying if I look back now
[26:10.920 -> 26:15.800] is that it took me too long to talk to them because if I'd have spoke earlier I
[26:15.800 -> 26:19.760] would have cleared up in my head how I was feeling because I really, I really at
[26:19.760 -> 26:24.120] the beginning I struggled to even know that I was even struggling, struggled to
[26:24.120 -> 26:29.960] know that I was feeling any type of way because the first conversations I had I couldn't, I
[26:29.960 -> 26:35.280] was like literally stumbling on my words, I couldn't even put into words and try
[26:35.280 -> 26:39.200] and get it out, I was even feeling like I was so unclear in my own head. I think
[26:39.200 -> 26:42.440] it's because I was just completely out of my comfort zone and didn't, it was so
[26:42.440 -> 26:46.000] far from what I'm usually like. I struggled with that. Will you describe that period of o'n gynllunio'n gyffredinol i'r amser. Cawson ni'r cyfnod o'r ffordd oedd gennych chi'r cyfnod o'r ffordd
[26:46.000 -> 26:48.000] oedd gennych chi'r cyfnod
[26:48.000 -> 26:50.000] o'r ffordd o'r ffordd
[26:50.000 -> 26:52.000] o'r ffordd
[26:52.000 -> 26:54.000] o'r ffordd
[26:54.000 -> 26:56.000] o'r ffordd
[26:56.000 -> 26:58.000] o'r ffordd
[26:58.000 -> 27:00.000] o'r ffordd
[27:00.000 -> 27:02.000] o'r ffordd
[27:02.000 -> 27:04.000] o'r ffordd
[27:04.000 -> 27:08.920] o'r ffordd o'r ymdrechion yn ffwrdd?
[27:08.920 -> 27:10.920] Mae'n ddiddorol iawn, a dyna beth rwy'n ei ddod o'n i'n ddiddorol iawn.
[27:10.920 -> 27:13.920] Rwy'n credu bod rhaid i mi ddysgu, felly rydw i'n dod i chi i gyd.
[27:13.920 -> 27:16.400] Nid oedd gen i yr holl gwybod oedd y cyflawniadau, ac os ydw i'n dod o'n i,
[27:16.400 -> 27:19.200] rydw i'n mynd ymlaen yma a phryd, oherwydd rydw i'n ymwneud â'r ffase ddysgu.
[27:19.200 -> 27:22.320] Ond rwy'n credu, roedd gen i'r un ffasnaeth, o ran,
[27:22.320 -> 27:23.920] na, yn siŵr, dyna beth yr holl bobl eisiau.
[27:23.920 -> 27:26.480] Mae'n cymryd am y cyflawniad, I had the same mindset in terms of well surely that's what everyone wants. They're searching for that contentment. They're searching to
[27:27.000 -> 27:29.640] achieve what they want to do, be happy, content with their lives.
[27:29.800 -> 27:34.780] But I think, you know, you never know, I might be at that stage when I'm a little bit older potentially,
[27:34.780 -> 27:40.120] but I think right now that's what I thought I was searching for, but I've realized I don't think I am.
[27:40.120 -> 27:43.760] I think I'm more searching for the feeling of
[27:44.440 -> 27:46.580] trying to push the boundaries,
[27:46.580 -> 27:52.460] trying to see where I can go to, because that's the mindset I've had through 22
[27:52.460 -> 27:56.260] years of being a gymnast. Well you know me and the boys always used to chat like
[27:56.260 -> 28:00.420] when do you think you'll stop, when do you think you'll retire? Everyone has those
[28:00.420 -> 28:05.160] conversations and for me my answer was always I want to keep going
[28:05.160 -> 28:09.480] I want to go for as long as I possibly can and because I had that fear of
[28:09.480 -> 28:14.480] failure that what I thought was a false sense of contentment it switched like
[28:14.480 -> 28:18.520] that. 22 years having the same mindset and all of a sudden I switch and I'm done. I
[28:18.520 -> 28:21.680] think that's crazy and that's why I think it was a false sense of
[28:21.680 -> 28:25.160] contentment because I feel like at the moment
[28:25.160 -> 28:31.700] if I'm content then I'm settling because when I had the talks with my family and my coach
[28:31.700 -> 28:37.760] and everyone about me being done, I did say like I feel like I could do some more but
[28:37.760 -> 28:42.280] I feel content at the same time. I felt like there was always, like people were saying
[28:42.280 -> 28:49.080] to me, if you go to Paris Olympics and you achieve this it will make this history or if you go to this and achieve that and make the history
[28:49.080 -> 28:54.600] and I almost thought like I'm content because I don't want to be swayed by stuff like that because
[28:54.920 -> 28:59.160] There's always gonna be some more history that you can try and aim for that will never ever stop
[28:59.500 -> 29:06.280] So where do you draw the line and I thought I felt like I was searching for contentment. I felt like I found it.
[29:06.280 -> 29:07.840] That's me, Dan.
[29:07.840 -> 29:11.240] We had a fascinating conversation a few episodes ago
[29:11.240 -> 29:14.520] with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee
[29:14.520 -> 29:19.600] that spoke to us around a Japanese concept called ikigai
[29:19.600 -> 29:22.000] that might be of interest to you with this, Mark.
[29:23.600 -> 29:45.280] The context of this phrase ikigai came from some research o ddiddordeb i chi gyda'r Max yw'r cyfathrebu o'r ffras o'r ffras o Iccegai o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydyn ni wedi dod o rydn ni wedi dod o rydn ni wedi dod o rydn ni wedi dod o rydn ni wedi dod o rydn ni wedi dod o rydn ni wedi dod o ryd oedd wedi cael y syniad o Iccegais ymlaen i'r ffordd y byddai pobl yn ei gilydd
[29:45.280 -> 29:48.880] wedi gallu gysylltu'n effeithiol â chwestiynau o'r ffordd y byddwn i'n hoffi ei wneud,
[29:49.680 -> 29:54.800] beth rydyn ni'n dda iawn yn ei wneud, beth sy'n drifo fy nghenedlaeth economaidd a sut y gallwn i wneud
[29:54.800 -> 29:59.680] gwahaniaeth i'r byd gyda'r hyn rydw i'n ei wneud ac fe ddoddodd y byddwch chi'n gallu gysylltu'r
[29:59.680 -> 30:08.720] chwestiynau hynny, mae'n debyg mae'r syniad o'r pwrpas yn dod ac nid yw'n ymwrechion, mae'n ymddangos fel y sylwad o gynllun sy'n dod, ac nid yw'n yn ymdrechus gan meddalau a'r bank, ond yn y
[30:08.720 -> 30:12.720] person rydych chi'n ei gael. Ie, ac rwy'n teimlo fel y
[30:12.720 -> 30:16.880] hefyd, na allaf ystyried mwy, oherwydd i mi, mae'n ymwneud â'r
[30:16.880 -> 30:22.000] ffordd o ddod o'r gynllun a'r hyn oedd hynny,
[30:22.000 -> 30:27.040] oherwydd roeddwn i'n teimlo ein bod yn rhedeg. Beth ydych chi'n meddwl oedd yn ymwneud â hynny cyn i chi'n rhedeg?
[30:27.040 -> 30:30.480] Roeddwn i bob amser yn cael fy nghwyrwyr, roeddwn i bob amser yn cael pethau rydw i eisiau ei wneud,
[30:30.480 -> 30:34.320] roeddwn i bob amser yn cael fy ngwlad, rwy'n credu, mae gennych eich golau, ond mae gennych eich byrwyr i gael yno,
[30:34.320 -> 30:38.560] ac rwy'n credu, ar gyfer y byrwyr, mae hynny yn rhoi'r ymdrech hwnnw i mi.
[30:38.560 -> 30:41.280] Roeddwn i'n gwybod beth roeddwn i eisiau ei wneud, roeddwn i'n gwybod beth roeddwn i eisiau ei gynnal,
[30:41.280 -> 30:44.480] ac roeddwn i'n gallu gweld fy mod yn gwneud cynyddu, roeddwn i'n gweld fy mod yn gwneud gwella,
[30:44.480 -> 30:46.200] roeddwn i'n gallu gweld fy mod yn cael effaith, roeddwn i'n gwneud I could see I was making improvements, I could see I was having an effect,
[30:46.200 -> 30:47.720] I was making an impact on grassroots,
[30:47.720 -> 30:48.620] I was doing all this stuff.
[30:48.620 -> 30:51.920] So ticking some of those boxes in terms of those questions.
[30:51.920 -> 30:53.040] And I think all of a sudden,
[30:53.040 -> 30:57.200] when you kind of remove what you've done for so long,
[30:57.200 -> 30:58.820] 22 years of gymnastics,
[30:58.820 -> 31:02.360] that was, you know, people talk about it in work,
[31:02.360 -> 31:04.120] and if they stopped working
[31:04.120 -> 31:05.800] or they stopped doing anything like that, when people retire, they get the same feeling. y byddai pobl yn siarad amdano yn gwaith, ac os oes eu gweithio'n ddiweddar, neu os oes eu gwneud rhywbeth fel hynny,
[31:05.800 -> 31:06.640] pan fydd pobl yn ymwneud â'r holl,
[31:06.640 -> 31:07.920] maen nhw'n cael y meddwl y mêl.
[31:07.920 -> 31:10.360] Rwy'n teimlo ein bod gen i y meddwl hwnnw,
[31:10.360 -> 31:12.920] oherwydd rwy'n teimlo,
[31:12.920 -> 31:14.960] am ychydig, rwy'n cael fy ngwyddoniaeth.
[31:14.960 -> 31:16.680] Felly dyna pam roeddwn i'n cael fy ngwyddoniaeth.
[31:16.680 -> 31:19.160] Ond ar y dyddiau lle mae eich bywyd yn acho,
[31:19.160 -> 31:20.160] rydych chi'n cael yr oed,
[31:20.160 -> 31:22.880] rydych chi wedi gweithio i'r frasel,
[31:22.880 -> 31:24.480] beth wnaeth eich gael ar y ddeg nesaf
[31:24.480 -> 31:26.000] i fynd a wneud yr un peth eto yn y period byddwch chi'n mynd i fwynhau meddal o Olympiad a'r hyn sy'n ei wneud. Pa oedd y cyfrifiad i'r cwestiwn honno?
[31:26.000 -> 31:32.000] Y teimlad o welliant fy hun ac y teimlad o gwneud cynyddud i fy nôl
[31:32.000 -> 31:34.000] yn y cyfnod o fy nifoedd cyffredin.
[31:34.000 -> 31:36.000] Rwy'n y gymhwyster 35 awr y flwyddyn, 6 dydd y flwyddyn.
[31:36.000 -> 31:40.000] Fy byd yw'n rôl sy'n ymgyrchu ar gyfer y gym.
[31:40.000 -> 31:42.000] O 7 oed, rwy'n ymgyrchu ar gyfer y gym.
[31:42.000 -> 31:45.480] Mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud, in kind of my peak age. I'm in the gym 35 hours a week, six days a week, like my
[31:45.480 -> 31:51.280] role, my life revolved around gym from seven years old. So for me that
[31:51.280 -> 31:56.080] was my purpose and I going, me going in the gym, learning new skills, doing new
[31:56.080 -> 32:00.480] stuff, seeing progression in myself but being surrounded by people are doing the
[32:00.480 -> 32:06.560] same, on the same mission, everyone's enjoying it. Like I go in the gym and I have fun.
[32:06.560 -> 32:07.680] Like I love gymnastics.
[32:07.680 -> 32:10.440] I go in the gym and I muck about.
[32:10.440 -> 32:12.920] In competition, it's, you know, you have to be focused.
[32:12.920 -> 32:14.520] And when you're preparing at the times,
[32:14.520 -> 32:15.920] at the right times, you got to be focused,
[32:15.920 -> 32:18.600] but it's important to actually have a bit of balance
[32:18.600 -> 32:21.280] and have a bit of, I have a go and I'm focused.
[32:21.280 -> 32:24.600] I come off and I relax, I chill, I chat, I do whatever.
[32:24.600 -> 32:29.000] I think that is what kind of provided me with that fulfillment in myself.
[32:29.000 -> 32:32.000] So which elements of those ingredients were missing?
[32:32.000 -> 32:37.000] In the last year? Probably all of them in terms of that.
[32:37.000 -> 32:44.000] You know, because I suppose enjoying what I'm doing, like I enjoyed being at home.
[32:44.000 -> 32:46.080] I enjoyed, you know, I love being,
[32:46.080 -> 32:48.080] I love, I'm a home person.
[32:48.080 -> 32:49.120] I love being with my family,
[32:49.120 -> 32:50.400] I love spending time with my family,
[32:50.400 -> 32:52.680] but I think the kind of the purpose,
[32:52.680 -> 32:54.020] the making an impact,
[32:55.920 -> 32:59.360] I think those things I was missing
[32:59.360 -> 33:01.280] and those things weren't getting ticked off for me.
[33:01.280 -> 33:04.440] So I can't begin to imagine how scary it feels
[33:04.440 -> 33:06.160] when you've done this since seven years old
[33:06.440 -> 33:12.080] Yeah, and everyone's lorded you and you know, almost seeing you as almost robotic
[33:12.080 -> 33:12.820] Do you know what I mean?
[33:12.820 -> 33:18.800] You're like flawless to these people because you are the winner and you're successful and no doubt you were the best in every age group
[33:18.800 -> 33:20.560] all the way through and
[33:20.560 -> 33:22.480] then suddenly
[33:22.480 -> 33:24.860] You feel empty. You can't see a future
[33:22.000 -> 33:22.480] and then suddenly
[33:25.040 -> 33:25.640] You feel empty. You can't see a future
[33:30.880 -> 33:31.600] Would you take us to the the hardest moment in and the darkest period?
[33:36.120 -> 33:37.360] Before you came out the other side. Well, I think it was probably not not long before I then
[33:40.000 -> 33:42.240] Almost had the courage and then talk to people around me
[33:48.620 -> 33:57.580] And I think just kind of not having any motivation to do anything was tough, but I think the worst bit about it was, like I knew that probably having more of a structure in my day would
[33:57.580 -> 33:58.580] help.
[33:58.580 -> 34:03.640] I knew that exercising a little bit, like I'd done no exercise, I knew that exercising
[34:03.640 -> 34:04.640] would probably help.
[34:04.640 -> 34:07.720] It might help me feel a bit more energized and feel better.
[34:07.720 -> 34:10.020] I knew that eating better would probably help,
[34:10.020 -> 34:12.600] but I lacked so much motivation,
[34:12.600 -> 34:15.400] which I'm probably being too hard on myself now,
[34:15.400 -> 34:18.440] but I almost look back and I'm still disappointed in myself
[34:18.440 -> 34:22.200] for feeling so demotivated that I didn't even want to get up
[34:22.200 -> 34:24.840] and do those three things to help myself feel better.
[34:24.840 -> 34:27.400] I think that's the worst bit about it, was I was in such a rut, I didn't even want to get up and do those three things to help myself feel better I think that's the worst bit about it was I was in a such a rut
[34:27.400 -> 34:33.040] I didn't even want to help you were on well, like this was a mental health episode. This wasn't laziness or
[34:33.740 -> 34:38.760] But that's what I like. I was I felt like I was being lazy. I felt I was useless. I felt like I was just
[34:39.680 -> 34:51.580] just waste of space and that was the mindset and that was the kind of the headspace that I was in and the hardest bit was was struggling to get out of it
[34:51.580 -> 34:55.020] but not even doing anything to help myself get out of it and that was what I
[34:55.020 -> 34:59.500] absolutely hated but I think probably being hard on myself probably drove me
[34:59.500 -> 35:04.140] further because almost got annoyed with myself even more. At the moment like I
[35:04.140 -> 35:05.120] said I'm still learning I don't have like I said, I'm still learning.
[35:05.120 -> 35:07.620] I don't have all the answers and I'm still trying to,
[35:07.620 -> 35:11.040] on a phase where I'm on that massive learning curve.
[35:11.040 -> 35:13.800] But I think the two things that stand out to me now
[35:13.800 -> 35:17.280] in terms of what's helped is talking.
[35:17.280 -> 35:18.960] I don't know if people say it,
[35:18.960 -> 35:21.300] but it's not an easy thing to do.
[35:21.300 -> 35:23.880] And it wasn't easy for me, definitely.
[35:23.880 -> 35:25.560] It was really out of my comfort zone. But
[35:25.560 -> 35:29.880] talking to people cleared it up in my head, made me realise how I was feeling, made me
[35:29.880 -> 35:34.000] get it out there and made me almost feel more comfortable in my own skin, you know, it is
[35:34.000 -> 35:39.200] what it is, that's how I felt and I'm not ashamed to say that I felt like that, like
[35:39.200 -> 35:46.000] it's fine. And then I think the second thing was almost having that it wasn't it wasn't having a structure. It wasn't
[35:46.760 -> 35:51.960] exercising it wasn't eating better because the moment I had a target but almost a
[35:52.560 -> 35:57.160] Goal that I had but the pathway to get there and I think it was the pathway
[35:57.680 -> 36:01.480] I'm not gonna say it was like that and I was better because it doesn't work like that
[36:02.000 -> 36:05.440] But all of a sudden I was a lot happier.
[36:05.440 -> 36:07.920] So what was the target you managed to find?
[36:07.920 -> 36:11.480] It was the deciding factor in terms of realising that
[36:12.560 -> 36:14.760] the reasons why I said that I was done with gymnastics
[36:14.760 -> 36:17.920] was because I was scared of failing,
[36:17.920 -> 36:21.560] almost turning round and flipping out on its head
[36:21.560 -> 36:24.160] and completely then talking to people around me
[36:24.160 -> 36:28.400] and realising that I'm talking about the negatives a lot about coming back to gym
[36:28.400 -> 36:31.600] because Leah always used to talk to me when I was struggling for that period
[36:31.600 -> 36:35.920] Leah was always used to say you sure don't want to go and try back in the gym or just go
[36:35.920 -> 36:40.160] go in and have a bit of fun because I wasn't even really going in and I was adamant I was like no
[36:40.160 -> 36:49.580] I'm done and I think the more I was talking the more I started to flip to the positive sides of it. And I started almost ending the conversation on a positive note of coming
[36:49.580 -> 36:54.180] back and that was almost telling me something. And it was that that kind of then made me
[36:54.180 -> 37:00.340] feel a little bit more uplifted, more energized because I almost had, okay, almost a challenge.
[37:00.340 -> 37:06.360] Like it's almost feels to me like a comeback in a way, Almost feels like a new challenge that I've got on my plate.
[37:06.360 -> 37:07.480] I know it's going to be difficult.
[37:07.480 -> 37:09.620] I'm like six, seven years over peak.
[37:09.620 -> 37:10.640] Like I'm only getting older.
[37:10.640 -> 37:12.600] Each year goes by as a learning curve.
[37:12.600 -> 37:15.200] And this year has been the biggest learning curve.
[37:15.200 -> 37:19.120] I'm competing against youngsters in their prime.
[37:19.120 -> 37:21.840] But now coming out the other side
[37:21.840 -> 37:26.080] in terms of having that something but more so the
[37:26.080 -> 37:30.040] pathway and the journey are more excited and more refreshed and more willing to
[37:30.040 -> 37:35.000] be open and honest and not keep up this mask of yes all fine and dandy let's go
[37:35.000 -> 37:39.800] let's move forwards almost having a feeling of do you know what I'm gonna
[37:39.800 -> 37:44.560] gonna give it a shot because I think I'll never get this opportunity again
[37:44.560 -> 37:49.880] and I think it's something that 10 years 20 years down the line one I feel like
[37:49.880 -> 37:53.800] I've got responsibility with my little girl Willow now that the decisions I
[37:53.800 -> 37:58.240] make I don't want to rub off in a bad way so if I decide that I'm done now I
[37:58.240 -> 38:02.500] truly believe that it'll be me quitting gymnastics because it's not what I believed
[38:02.500 -> 38:07.960] in it's not me hitting my potential pushing my pushing the boundaries so I don't want to quit, I'll never quit and I never want to
[38:07.960 -> 38:11.520] teach that lesson to Willow. The second thing is 10, 20 years down the line as well, I'll
[38:11.520 -> 38:16.480] regret it. So would I look back and actually think if I didn't just push on for another
[38:16.480 -> 38:20.640] two years to try and go to my fourth Olympic Games and have the opportunity to do that?
[38:20.640 -> 38:27.480] 100%, 100% I'd look back and think, why was I so silly to not just give it a shot
[38:27.480 -> 38:31.800] and I think that's what it's all about and I think that's where my search for
[38:31.800 -> 38:35.800] it's not searching for contentment it's searching for what am I capable of where
[38:35.800 -> 38:38.960] can I push the boundaries to and you never know 10 20 years down the line
[38:38.960 -> 38:42.760] hopefully I can look back and be and feel content with what I've done in my
[38:42.760 -> 38:47.800] gymnastics career. I love that I think it's really powerful distinction here that for many of us
[38:47.800 -> 38:54.400] myself included listening that you can either play not to lose or you can play
[38:54.400 -> 38:58.240] to win. So you can either protect yourself against the losses or you can
[38:58.240 -> 39:05.840] dare to go after something big. I'm interested though in what is winning now for you? Because like you said you've just given lots of reasons why you're Mae'n ddiddorol, ond rwy'n mwynhau, beth yw gynhyrchu ar gyfer chi nawr?
[39:05.840 -> 39:10.240] Oherwydd fel dweudwch, rydych chi wedi rhoi nifer o rhesymau ar gyfer y byddwch chi'n mynd ag athletaidd mwy oedol,
[39:10.240 -> 39:15.840] beth dweudwch, chwech neu set mlynedd o'r ffyrdd y mae'n cael ei ystyried i fod yn eich cymhwyseddau,
[39:15.840 -> 39:19.680] ynghylch y fath o athletaidd mwy oedol, y byddwch chi'n mynd i'r terfyniad nawr,
[39:19.680 -> 39:25.000] a ddim yn ymwneud â gymhwysterau.elly, pa sy'n eich definiadau i gael y gwaith?
[39:25.000 -> 39:28.000] Rwy'n credu, i mi, o ran teimlo'n ffordd fy mod i wedi gwneud,
[39:28.000 -> 39:31.000] a o ran teimlo'n ffordd, yn edrych yn ôl, yn teimlo'n hyderus gyda fy nyrs,
[39:31.000 -> 39:34.000] rwy'n credu byddai'n rhoi'r holl beth,
[39:34.000 -> 39:35.000] rhoi'r cymorth fy hun,
[39:35.000 -> 39:37.000] ymrwymo ac ymrwymo cyfleoedd,
[39:37.000 -> 39:40.000] nid ymrwymo oherwydd
[39:40.000 -> 39:41.000] rwy'n bwysig am beth mae'n edrych fel,
[39:41.000 -> 39:44.000] neu ymrwymo oherwydd rwy'n bwysig am sut rwy'n teimlo
[39:44.000 -> 39:45.520] os nad yw'n mynd i'r plan, yn ymddangos y cyfleoedd hynny I'm worried about what it looks like or stopping because I'm worried about how I feel if it doesn't go to plan
[39:49.600 -> 39:50.000] almost just pushing those boundaries and and grabbing opportunity to really try and
[39:52.960 -> 39:53.480] see what I'm capable of and see where my potential can get me to
[39:57.600 -> 39:57.960] Because I do feel like I've got more in the tank and I would like to see where that can go
[40:00.960 -> 40:05.880] Does it feel similar to that first Olympics you went to? Yeah, I feel like fully fully refreshed like fully energized like a young
[40:06.480 -> 40:09.360] like a young max going to try and just
[40:09.880 -> 40:11.000] Give it my best shot
[40:11.000 -> 40:16.460] It's crazy that it's managed to do that for myself because that weight on my shoulders after and during Tokyo
[40:16.460 -> 40:20.240] I generally before my feet hit the floor and that pommel horse routine. I
[40:21.400 -> 40:25.600] Generally said to my car said to myself. I can't believe I just done that and it's so easy to brush those words off yn ystod y 2018, rydw i'n dweud i mi fy hun, rydw i ddim yn credu, rydw i wedi gwneud hynny.
[40:25.600 -> 40:29.840] Ac mae'n hawdd iawn i broswylio'r sain hynny, ond rydw i'n dweud, rydw i ddim yn credu.
[40:29.840 -> 40:33.920] Roeddwn i'n teimlo bod gen i weithiau, fel weithiau enor ar fy nghefn,
[40:33.920 -> 40:36.320] ac rydw i'n teimlo bod hynny'n cael ei gynhyrchu'n gyflym.
[40:36.320 -> 40:41.120] Rydw i'n clywed hwn, ac mae'n fy nghlymu i mi, roeddem gyda Kath Bishop ar y cyfran
[40:41.120 -> 40:48.560] rydyn ni'n cael yma gyda'r podcast, ac mae hi' siarad am y syniad o'r llwybr byth, nad ydych chi'n meddwl am y carrer mewn cyfrifoldeb o meddalau a trofeydd
[40:48.560 -> 40:51.360] a chynhyrch, rydych chi'n meddwl amdano o ran
[40:51.360 -> 40:54.960] pan ddod o'ch gilydd ymlaen, ac mae hynny'n fwy o bwysig.
[40:54.960 -> 40:59.520] Ac yr hyn sydd wedi fy nghymryd wrth fy nghyfwysu i chi yma, Max,
[40:59.520 -> 41:02.640] rwy'n gwybod bod meddal gwyl ar yr olympiadau nesaf
[41:02.640 -> 41:05.000] yn targed, ond dyna ddim yr hyn rydych chi wedi'i ymdrechu, nid yw am gynhyrchu'r gwyl, mae'n ymwneud â'r person rydyn ni'n myndud y bydd y meddal golau ar y nes olympiadau yn ymdrechon, ond dyna ddim y rydych chi wedi'i ymdrechon.
[41:05.000 -> 41:11.000] Nid yw'n ymwneud â gwynebu'r golau, ond yw ymwneud â'r person rydych chi'n mynd i fod ar gyfer Willow pan edrych arna chi.
[41:11.000 -> 41:16.000] Ie, dwi ddim yn credu, nid yw'r cymhwysedd yn ymdrech. Fy unig cymhwysedd yn ymdrech yw'r gwirionedd.
[41:16.000 -> 41:21.000] Nawr, wrth i mi chwarae'r gêm gyda Willow, rydw i'n cymhwysedd. Nid yw'n ymdrech.
[41:21.000 -> 41:26.400] Mae'n ddiddorol, ond rwy'n credu bod hynny'n beth da. Yeah, it's probably like it's ridiculous, but I think that's a good thing, you know, I really do but I think like I think you're right
[41:26.400 -> 41:31.640] I think it's the learnings you take who you become the impact you're making in terms of
[41:32.120 -> 41:37.760] you know because one of my favorite comments that I've had throughout my whole career is when I get it that the
[41:38.040 -> 41:42.520] The Sun door started gymnastics because of me start sport because of me I think
[41:43.400 -> 41:46.440] To add out that impact is a huge privilege,
[41:46.440 -> 41:49.560] like in one position I'd never ever thought I'd be in
[41:49.560 -> 41:51.760] to be able to have that impact on youngsters out there.
[41:51.760 -> 41:54.440] This now, the position that I've been in
[41:54.440 -> 41:56.520] and those learnings that I've taken from that
[41:56.520 -> 41:58.120] and what I'm still learning now,
[41:58.120 -> 41:59.800] and I'll still be learning on this two year journey
[41:59.800 -> 42:02.760] towards Paris 2024 Olympics.
[42:02.760 -> 42:04.280] When you learn something,
[42:04.280 -> 42:06.600] it means that you can also help others. And I think this is massive because the comments ym Mhrydain, y 2024 olympiadau. Pan ddysgwch rhywbeth, mae'n golygu y gallwch hefyd helpu'r rhai eraill.
[42:06.600 -> 42:08.400] A dwi'n credu mai hwn yw'n ffasif,
[42:08.400 -> 42:09.680] oherwydd y comau rydw i wedi'u cael,
[42:09.680 -> 42:11.400] y cefnogaeth rydw i wedi'u cael,
[42:11.400 -> 42:13.240] wedi bod yn anhygoel,
[42:13.240 -> 42:14.400] a roeddwn i'n wir yn ymdrech ar hynny,
[42:14.400 -> 42:15.640] ond dwi'n credu y comau rydw i wedi'u cael
[42:15.640 -> 42:17.040] o ran y bobl sy'n mynd drwy hynny
[42:17.040 -> 42:18.520] a sy'n teimlo'r un,
[42:18.520 -> 42:19.840] mae'n ddifrifol, ac rydw i'n credu y gallwch helpu
[42:19.840 -> 42:21.480] nifer o bobl drwy siarad allan.
[42:21.480 -> 42:23.000] A ywch chi wedi dechrau sylwi
[42:23.000 -> 42:32.240] bod cael gêm iechyd meddwl, s about it and dealing with it is not a weakness as I think so
[42:32.240 -> 42:36.640] many people are told, but it is actually a real show of strength? Yeah I have and
[42:36.640 -> 42:39.680] I've had a lot of comments to say how brave I am in talking out and it almost
[42:39.680 -> 42:46.680] felt weird to me, but I've learned that yeah, it's in terms of in myself, it's
[42:46.680 -> 42:50.120] made me more confident, it definitely is a strength, but when you're in that
[42:50.120 -> 42:53.920] position and you feel like it's a weakness, it's really hard to think of
[42:53.920 -> 42:56.940] this side of it and thinking that talking out is going to be a strength of
[42:56.940 -> 43:03.200] yours. It just feels like so far apart from each other, but now yeah, 100%
[43:03.200 -> 43:05.720] talking out has helped me feel more confident
[43:06.720 -> 43:07.980] in terms of how I'm feeling,
[43:07.980 -> 43:10.920] how I'm moving forward, more open, more honest,
[43:10.920 -> 43:13.040] just being more comfortable with my own skin,
[43:13.040 -> 43:15.320] being more confident with myself, with everything.
[43:15.320 -> 43:16.440] And I think that's crazy.
[43:16.440 -> 43:18.520] I think that's crazy for something
[43:18.520 -> 43:21.760] that I thought would have the opposite effect
[43:21.760 -> 43:23.440] has made me come out feeling like that.
[43:23.440 -> 43:28.000] And it's real win-win. I was really nervous. I was really, really nervous about coming out.
[43:28.000 -> 43:32.000] I was nervous about talking today about it because it's still
[43:32.000 -> 43:36.000] new for me, but I was also really, really excited because
[43:36.000 -> 43:40.000] the more you talk, the more I'm talking about it, the more refreshed I'm feeling,
[43:40.000 -> 43:44.000] the more excited I'm feeling about moving forwards. And I think like you say,
[43:44.000 -> 43:45.920] for the people that that's helping,
[43:45.920 -> 43:49.120] for me to have an impact in terms of helping people through this
[43:49.120 -> 43:50.800] and through talking out,
[43:50.800 -> 43:54.000] that's crazy for me to be in a position where I can do that.
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[47:09.840 -> 47:17.360] I think the important thing from my perspective though is how can we set up
[47:17.360 -> 47:26.440] sporting bodies or training or competing or even in schools in PE lessons young people's mindsets how can
[47:26.440 -> 47:30.600] we set people up so they don't have to get to where you got to to realize that
[47:30.600 -> 47:35.680] it's gonna be okay it's a big question I think this is so much that goes with it
[47:35.680 -> 47:39.200] I would love to sit here and say I've got the all the answers to solve that
[47:39.200 -> 47:44.120] but I know that needs to be more that's done 100% but I think the tricky thing
[47:44.120 -> 47:45.680] is that I was one of these people that
[47:45.680 -> 47:48.600] Never ever thought I'd be in that position for sport ever
[47:49.640 -> 47:55.580] So I never thought I'd be in that fall into that that rut. So for me, even if there was
[47:56.680 -> 48:02.460] Something out there. I probably wouldn't have gone to it or all reached out for the help because I thought I'd never be that person
[48:02.460 -> 48:09.880] But which is the real point is though you thought you'd never be that person but which is the real challenge So you thought you'd never be that person right that has a negative connotation. Maybe the conversation needs to be I
[48:11.720 -> 48:13.640] Think if you're an elite athlete, right?
[48:13.640 -> 48:20.340] I personally believe you're more predisposed to mental health problems because you are disciplined you're determined you're focused
[48:20.340 -> 48:22.040] You put pressure on yourself
[48:22.040 -> 48:28.720] You do all of these things that actually can send you closer to the edge because that's where the success lies
[48:28.720 -> 48:34.580] But that's also where the challenge lies as well. Yeah, so maybe the very fact that I never thought I'd be this person
[48:35.400 -> 48:36.840] That's the problem
[48:36.840 -> 48:42.040] There you go. Yeah, I completely agree. I couldn't agree more. So a hundred percent more needs to be done and I
[48:42.560 -> 48:47.000] Like I said, I'd love to literally spill out all the answers.
[48:47.000 -> 48:51.120] And hopefully over this kind of two year period I'll learn more and more because I'm guaranteed
[48:51.120 -> 48:54.080] to have more conversations about it now that I've spoke out about it.
[48:54.080 -> 48:59.200] I'm talking to a lot more people about it, what's helped them in a similar situation.
[48:59.200 -> 49:06.320] But then also I would 100% love to have the conversations on how we can help future generations that are coming through. Iawn, byddwn yn hoffi gadael sgwrs o sut y gallwn helpu y dynion y dydd i'w ddod.
[49:06.320 -> 49:09.520] A dydych chi'r cynhyrch o sefydliad sefydliadol
[49:09.520 -> 49:13.120] o fewn Gymdeithas Cymru, lle efallai ymdrechion hynny
[49:13.120 -> 49:14.480] wedi'u dysgu i fod yn cael eu bwyswng,
[49:14.480 -> 49:17.120] ddim yn cael eu gwneud yn dda, ddim yn cael eu gwneud yn dda,
[49:17.120 -> 49:20.000] gadewch i chi ddweud ym, ac rhai o'r
[49:20.000 -> 49:22.480] gwefnwyr o'r diwydiant y Gymdeithas Cymru
[49:22.480 -> 49:24.560] wedi dod i'r llyfrgellau dros y blynyddoedd diwethaf
[49:24.560 -> 49:46.000] ar gyfer y ffordd o fwydrwch neu'r toxigrwydd o'i diwydiant hwnnw ar Gymdeithas Britain. Rydw i wedi dod o'r llinellau dros y blynyddoedd diwethaf ar gyfer y ffordd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r ffyrdd o'r cyfrifiadau hwnnw yn ymwneud â'r cyfrifiadau a'r cyfrifiadau
[49:46.000 -> 49:48.000] a'r cyfrifiadau
[49:48.000 -> 49:50.000] a'r cyfrifiadau
[49:50.000 -> 49:52.000] a'r cyfrifiadau
[49:52.000 -> 49:54.000] a'r cyfrifiadau
[49:54.000 -> 49:56.000] a'r cyfrifiadau
[49:56.000 -> 49:58.000] a'r cyfrifiadau
[49:58.000 -> 50:00.000] a'r cyfrifiadau
[50:00.000 -> 50:02.000] a'r cyfrifiadau
[50:02.000 -> 50:04.000] a'r cyfrifiadau
[50:04.000 -> 50:05.120] a'r cyfrifiadau a'u rhoi i'w chwarae?
[50:05.120 -> 50:07.760] Rwy'n credu bod hyn yn anodd, rwy'n credu bod hyn yn anodd iawn,
[50:07.760 -> 50:09.760] ond rwy'n credu, y gwybod,
[50:09.760 -> 50:12.000] o ran, fel ysbort, rydym yn ddefnyddiol yn
[50:12.000 -> 50:14.560] y bôn mwy na'r rhan rydyn ni. Rwy'n credu bod hynny oherwydd
[50:14.560 -> 50:16.960] rydyn ni'n mynd i'w clywed mwy, rydyn ni'n mynd i'w clywed mwy
[50:16.960 -> 50:20.400] o ran unigolion fel unigolion.
[50:20.400 -> 50:22.080] Ac rwy'n credu bod hynny'n helpu ni
[50:22.080 -> 50:23.920] i ddechrau, sy'n bwysig iawn,
[50:23.920 -> 50:29.280] oherwydd mae pob un yn gweithio'n wahanol mewn ffyrdd gwahanol, mae pob un yn ymgyrchu And I think that's what's helping us move forward, which is absolutely crucial because everybody works differently, in different ways, everyone competes under pressures in
[50:29.280 -> 50:32.840] different ways, everyone reacts in different environments in different ways.
[50:32.840 -> 50:35.560] I think it's important to learn those.
[50:35.560 -> 50:39.680] The more time we spend with individuals and listening to more about the athletes and how
[50:39.680 -> 50:43.720] people are feeling, the more we're going to be equipped on how to deal with different
[50:43.720 -> 51:07.280] situations in the future. There's been, you can't beat yn amserau anodd i lawer o athleïoedd sydd yng nghanol y sport. Roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwybod, roedd yn eich bod yn eich gwych oherwydd y cyfrifoldebion a'r bobl hynny. Felly, ar gyfer y bobl sy'n clywed hyn,
[51:07.280 -> 51:10.480] beth oedd y gweithgareddau o'r gofynnau o'r gofynnau o'r gofynnau
[51:10.480 -> 51:12.240] y gallai eich bod chi'n tyfu arnyn nhw,
[51:12.240 -> 51:16.440] a'ch bod yn teimlo y mae angen i'w newid?
[51:16.440 -> 51:19.120] Mae fy mhrofiad a fy nhyrfadwyr, rwy'n cael fy mod i'n hoffi bob munud o'i gilydd.
[51:19.120 -> 51:22.400] Felly mae'n anodd iawn i mi i'w gweld yn y categoriaeth hwnnw,
[51:22.400 -> 51:24.320] a rwy'n teimlo'n ddigon llwyr i'w wneud.
[51:24.320 -> 51:27.460] Rwy'n cael fy mod i'n hoffi bob munud o'n gyrfa iawn i mi ymwneud â'r categoriau hwnnw, a dyna'n ddiddorol iawn i'w wneud. Rwy'n cwtio bob munud o fy nghymdeithas gyda'r gyrfa,
[51:27.460 -> 51:31.340] ond rwy'n credu bod un peth ar gyfer mi yw bod hwn bob amser wedi bod yn mwynhau.
[51:31.340 -> 51:32.820] Rwyf wedi bod yn y gyd.
[51:32.820 -> 51:34.140] Dydyn ni ddim yn gwybod bod y sport anodd,
[51:34.140 -> 51:35.740] y sport yn anodd yn amserau intensa,
[51:35.740 -> 51:38.500] ond i sicrhau bod gennych gyd-dynnud o'i gyd-dynnud,
[51:38.500 -> 51:39.380] bod yn ymwneud â'r bai,
[51:39.380 -> 51:40.500] bod yn mwynhau bob munud o'i gyd,
[51:40.500 -> 51:41.780] mae'n llawn gynnwys.
[51:41.780 -> 51:43.020] Yn ymwneud â'r cyflwyniad hwnnw,
[51:43.020 -> 51:45.600] os ydych chi'n gofyn i'w plant wneud 10 gweithgareddau, mae'n anodd. moment of it is absolutely key. A simple explanation of it, if you ask a child to do 10 sit-ups,
[51:45.600 -> 51:50.280] it's boring. They get bored and it's just not something that anybody wants to do in
[51:50.280 -> 51:54.580] terms of that young, that age. But if you get a child to do an activity that has the
[51:54.580 -> 52:00.860] same positive effect as 10 sit-ups and it's a game, I think that is really, really important.
[52:00.860 -> 52:07.360] So for me, I've always enjoyed it. I've always enjoyed the challenge and I've had that amazing balance of it. But I think you know there's you know been
[52:07.360 -> 52:11.520] some old-school ways of teaching that have stayed that way all the way through.
[52:11.520 -> 52:15.360] So I think it's again it goes back to those learnings, those modern ways,
[52:15.360 -> 52:20.080] educating yourself on how it's best to work with youngsters, how it's best
[52:20.080 -> 52:23.600] to move forwards and how it's best to get the most out of youngsters and also
[52:23.600 -> 52:30.400] the transition from you know being a youngster, training as a gymnast and as an athlete, the transition from that
[52:30.400 -> 52:35.280] to a senior gymnast, it's a big jump, but the transition in between is crucial.
[52:35.280 -> 52:43.840] For me, as a youngster, your coach has the experience, your coach knows exactly what
[52:43.840 -> 52:46.120] we need to do, what we to do trying to try to get to
[52:46.200 -> 52:51.620] You know where you want to be but it has to work and then has to merge into a partnership of okay
[52:51.620 -> 52:54.040] We're both experienced in this in this situation
[52:54.040 -> 52:58.840] We're both learning everyone knows the best and how they're doing and I think it's taking learnings from those pointers
[52:59.300 -> 53:02.620] Working and building that relationship as a partnership to get the most out of everybody
[53:02.960 -> 53:05.340] Well, I hope they learn a lot from the experience
[53:05.340 -> 53:08.920] that you've gone through in the past little while.
[53:08.920 -> 53:11.580] You said you do 36 hours a week in the gym.
[53:11.580 -> 53:12.980] Used to, yeah. Used to.
[53:12.980 -> 53:15.780] How many hours would you work on your mental health
[53:15.780 -> 53:16.900] in those 36?
[53:16.900 -> 53:17.940] Zero. Zero.
[53:17.940 -> 53:19.020] Yeah. And how many times
[53:19.020 -> 53:20.860] in your career has someone come to you and said,
[53:20.860 -> 53:22.240] well done, won a gold medal,
[53:22.240 -> 53:26.080] go and decompress with a psychologist or a therapist.
[53:26.080 -> 53:29.340] So the interesting part of it is that support
[53:29.340 -> 53:30.240] has been there.
[53:30.240 -> 53:31.400] But you didn't take it.
[53:31.400 -> 53:32.240] No.
[53:32.240 -> 53:34.100] But this is where I think we have to help our athletes
[53:34.100 -> 53:34.940] and say, listen,
[53:34.940 -> 53:35.760] 100%.
[53:35.760 -> 53:38.120] You let us make the decision for you, right?
[53:38.120 -> 53:41.720] You know, when it comes to, I don't know,
[53:41.720 -> 53:44.520] doing press ups before you start, you know,
[53:44.520 -> 53:45.760] lighting your warmup, it's a non-negotiable, right? You can't say I don't fancy, doing press-ups before you start, you know, like in your warmup.
[53:45.760 -> 53:47.660] It's a non-negotiable, right?
[53:47.660 -> 53:49.740] You can't say, I don't fancy doing the press-ups.
[53:49.740 -> 53:51.780] I'm just gonna go straight onto the pommels.
[53:51.780 -> 53:54.100] We need to have the same mindset
[53:54.100 -> 53:56.500] for people working with psychologists.
[53:56.500 -> 53:57.900] It's non-negotiable.
[53:57.900 -> 54:01.860] If you're gonna be an athlete competing for Team GB,
[54:01.860 -> 54:03.700] you have five hours a week with a therapist,
[54:03.700 -> 54:09.320] with a psychologist, you share your feelings. But what's hard is I didn't realise until I was in that rut.
[54:09.320 -> 54:14.440] Because you're not meant to realise but the people who run your sport who see
[54:14.440 -> 54:19.400] you now sitting here saying I was maybe a day from retiring they must see. Yeah.
[54:19.400 -> 54:26.520] They must change. But I think it was me, it was me because I almost had that kind of I
[54:26.640 -> 54:30.600] Wanted to come across the right way, but in a feeling of what I'm doing is working. Hmm
[54:31.480 -> 54:35.080] And I didn't want to want to mock you there to protect yourself
[54:35.120 -> 54:39.960] Yeah, and I didn't want to they're there to protect you as well a hundred percent hundred percent. I couldn't agree more
[54:40.160 -> 54:42.160] They're the experts in it and a hundred percent
[54:42.200 -> 54:47.760] There will be psychologists that would be screaming at me because they'll be thinking I could have come to them,
[54:47.760 -> 54:50.860] they could have helped me and 100% it would have because for me I've
[54:50.860 -> 54:54.240] realized that actually you know throughout that time talking and no
[54:54.240 -> 54:58.760] doubt that talking and getting it out there about how you're feeling and me
[54:58.760 -> 55:02.520] bottling it up and put a mask on the whole way through, me talking about that
[55:02.520 -> 55:07.520] would have probably stopped it crumbling at a certain period. It's a hundred percent I couldn't agree with you more.
[55:07.520 -> 55:13.080] But for me my mindset was I don't want to interfere or change something that's
[55:13.080 -> 55:17.280] working for me and I'm on that I'm on that pathway and I want to keep it going.
[55:17.280 -> 55:22.240] So when you won an Olympic gold, what, this is one of my favorite questions,
[55:22.240 -> 55:27.000] what percentage of it was down to technique and physicality so that and how Dyma un o'n cwestiynau ffavoriadol. Pa mor oedd y cyfrifiad ar y technical a'r ffysical?
[55:27.000 -> 55:32.000] A pha mor oedd y cyfrifiad ar eich meddwl a'r psychologaeth?
[55:32.000 -> 55:42.000] Mae'n cwmni. Rwy'n credu yng nghanol y rhan o weithio'n rytuin, mae'n ychydig yn 90% ymlaen.
[55:42.000 -> 55:46.240] 90% yn there. 90% mental? Physically you can do all the work and you know the
[55:46.240 -> 55:49.400] whole build up we roughly do a three month build up towards building towards
[55:49.400 -> 55:52.400] any competition no matter if it's a small comp or Olympic Games it's the same
[55:52.400 -> 55:57.760] comes back to consistency but I think that yeah physically obviously mentally
[55:57.760 -> 56:01.120] in that part of it has to be right but physically that's that's that's tough
[56:01.120 -> 56:05.100] building the kind of stamina, endurance, the fitness to get to
[56:05.100 -> 56:08.280] that kind of peak condition where you need to be to compete. When you're out
[56:08.280 -> 56:12.100] there, especially when you're a couple minutes out before you compete,
[56:12.100 -> 56:16.500] there's nothing more you can do. Like it's done even week, two weeks out, there's not
[56:16.500 -> 56:19.580] really much more physically you can do. You're there, whatever level you're at,
[56:19.580 -> 56:24.340] that's where you're at. I think then it's a mental game and that's where you see
[56:24.340 -> 56:25.640] in sport
[56:25.640 -> 56:30.280] especially but in any pressure environment the most talented people in
[56:30.280 -> 56:34.840] the world that would win every day in the training gym crumble under that
[56:34.840 -> 56:38.480] pressure because it's a mental game. That's what's hard about sport because
[56:38.480 -> 56:44.120] it's cutthroat. You could have these amazing, amazing athletes, best in
[56:44.120 -> 57:06.000] the world, best that like literally would win train every day but it won't be that personal time that wins on the day of the competition because you you have to be able to compete and those people that can't compete could be the best gymnast in the world but they've never got to show it so take us with you in those moments before you get the call come on you've got a perform yeah take us inside your mind at that moment to give us an understanding of because you have learnt to Cyma, mae gennych ddweud. Dyna'r cyfle i chi ddweud. Cyma, mae gennych ddweud.
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[57:24.000 -> 57:25.920] Cyma, mae gennych ddweud. Cyma, mae gennych ddweud. do every time before that Pummel routine that I meant to perform whether it's in
[57:25.920 -> 57:32.600] my gym back at home, the warm-up, everything that goes into it, the way I'm
[57:32.600 -> 57:36.400] chalking up, the way I step up to the handles, the way I present, the way I start
[57:36.400 -> 57:41.960] routine, everything is literally trying to mirror what I do in the gym, what I do
[57:41.960 -> 57:45.200] every single time. So for my head, I'm literally,
[57:45.200 -> 57:49.920] okay, I've done my warm-up, I'm now walking through whatever the process is, wherever
[57:49.920 -> 57:55.520] you have to go. I don't talk much throughout that time. I go through, Scott knows how I
[57:55.520 -> 58:00.960] work now, we both work like literally amazingly together, we both walk through, we know how
[58:00.960 -> 58:10.160] we work, we work the best. I go through, I'm not even really thinking about almost the routine too much. I couldn't even tell you what I'm thinking about, but
[58:10.160 -> 58:15.140] almost I'll try and probably not think about much at all. Blank my mind in a way as much
[58:15.140 -> 58:20.280] as you possibly can because you don't want to let things creep in that could change what
[58:20.280 -> 58:26.960] you've done. I've just built up a lot of confidence because hopefully, and they did, those warm-ups have gone spot on. Warm-ups
[58:26.960 -> 58:32.280] perfect, perfect, perfect. I get there, everything's smooth. I go, I sit there, I
[58:32.280 -> 58:36.640] wait, I go, I do routines. Everything's in line, everything's consistent and I think
[58:36.640 -> 58:40.400] for me in my head that's massively important. And like I said, I go up there
[58:40.400 -> 58:45.000] to compete a routine. I truly believe that what surrounds that,
[58:45.000 -> 58:46.640] if that's a routine,
[58:46.640 -> 58:49.040] my performance is gonna be more consistent
[58:49.040 -> 58:51.200] if what I do surrounding it is consistent.
[58:51.200 -> 58:53.720] If you're faffing around, you're doing this and that,
[58:53.720 -> 58:56.080] you're not gonna approach it with the same mindset.
[58:56.080 -> 58:58.660] You're not gonna approach it with the same mentality.
[58:58.660 -> 59:00.120] But for me, I try and do that every single time.
[59:00.120 -> 59:01.760] So you're in flow at that point.
[59:01.760 -> 59:03.840] I'm kind of in autopilot in a zone.
[59:03.840 -> 59:07.660] Yeah, because Johnny Wilkinson was with us and he said he said you see it with kickers in rugby
[59:07.660 -> 59:09.160] So they're in the flow they're playing the game
[59:09.160 -> 59:15.800] They're totally in the game and then they win a penalty and suddenly they stand upright and they start having tics and they start breathing
[59:15.880 -> 59:21.520] Differently and he's like they've gone straight into a red brain. They've left flow completely and now it's and now it's
[59:22.040 -> 59:27.240] Not natural, you know and a really interesting point is that I've had to learn that so that doesn't
[59:27.240 -> 59:32.500] that doesn't come like that doesn't come naturally I think that is massively a
[59:32.500 -> 59:37.320] learned thing because there was definitely times competitions and
[59:37.320 -> 59:42.440] experiences where I've had where things have massively put me off. Like what?
[59:42.440 -> 59:45.200] I don't know if I've ever told this story.
[59:45.200 -> 59:47.240] World Championships 2014,
[59:47.240 -> 59:48.480] I had a lot of external pressures,
[59:48.480 -> 59:50.180] I had a lot of pressure on my shoulders.
[59:50.180 -> 59:52.680] I was kind of working my way up through the ranks.
[59:52.680 -> 59:56.440] And I, my tracksuit on, I went to the toilet
[59:56.440 -> 59:58.000] and it was in China.
[59:58.000 -> 01:00:00.080] Chinese toilets are very, very different
[01:00:00.080 -> 01:00:02.600] in a lot of ways to our toilets.
[01:00:02.600 -> 01:00:03.960] Literally a hole in the floor.
[01:00:03.960 -> 01:00:06.080] And for me being so routine so structured
[01:00:06.080 -> 01:00:11.800] I look back and feel so perfect. I got we on my trousers it threw me threw me massively
[01:00:12.440 -> 01:00:18.200] Because then I took my trousers off put in like I'm wearing different stuff. It wasn't my routine
[01:00:18.840 -> 01:00:25.480] It wasn't kind of what I'd almost planned and it sounds crazy, but that threw me off big time.
[01:00:25.480 -> 01:00:27.840] I don't think I've really told many people that.
[01:00:27.840 -> 01:00:29.840] And what happened to your performance?
[01:00:29.840 -> 01:00:37.120] It suffered from it. I didn't make final. I was very lucky because certain scenarios happened that I managed to then, you know,
[01:00:37.120 -> 01:00:41.300] an injury on the team meant that I'd actually go in to the final.
[01:00:41.560 -> 01:01:08.000] But that was pure luck and almost I didn't want to go into that final. I remember sitting there saying I Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Ffriend o'n i wedi dweud wrthi, mae'n dweud, rydym yn cael ychydig o gynnyrchau'n ymchwil honno, ond dydyn ni ddim yn siarad am gynnyrchau'n ymchwil.
[01:01:08.000 -> 01:01:16.000] Oherwydd os ydych chi'n meddwl bod yr holl beth yn ymwneud â'r cynnyrch sy'n rhoi'r rhif bwynt, mae'r pethau hynny hefyd yna sy'n gallu cymryd y rhif bwynt.
[01:01:16.000 -> 01:01:25.840] Ac, wnes i ddweud, os ydych chi wedi dweud i'r athleïoedd, gadewch i'ch ffyrdd i gael eich cymhwyso pan dydych chi ddim yn gymharu, ac yna'n rhoi nhw i'r ddinas olympiad,
[01:01:25.840 -> 01:01:28.320] ac mae'r canteen yn ffwrdd o 1 km o ffyrdd,
[01:01:28.320 -> 01:01:30.480] mae hynny'n dechrau chwarae'r ffordd
[01:01:30.480 -> 01:01:32.000] gyda'ch syniad o'ch gynhyrch,
[01:01:32.000 -> 01:01:33.120] na fyddwn ni'n ei wneud hynny,
[01:01:33.120 -> 01:01:34.120] ac ydych chi'n panico.
[01:01:34.120 -> 01:01:35.920] Rydw i'n siarad am sut mae'n cydweithredol
[01:01:35.920 -> 01:01:37.400] fy nghyfnod a phopeth hynny,
[01:01:37.400 -> 01:01:39.000] ond rydw i wedi cael mynd i ddysgu
[01:01:39.000 -> 01:01:40.720] fod yn gallu bod yn seiliedig ar
[01:01:40.720 -> 01:01:42.160] yr hyn sy'n gallu ei gynhyrchu.
[01:01:42.160 -> 01:01:43.520] Mae'n gallu bod.
[01:01:43.520 -> 01:01:44.360] Felly os ydych chi'n gallu
[01:01:44.360 -> 01:01:45.820] dynnu'r pethau hynny i'w helpu i gael eich cynhyrch, i'w helpu i fod yn y ddynas da i fynd allan a gymharu o'r presiau gwych, only be based on what you can control. It really can be. So if you can take those things off to help you get in a routine,
[01:01:45.820 -> 01:01:46.960] help you be in the right mindset
[01:01:46.960 -> 01:01:49.720] to go out and compete under like crazy pressures,
[01:01:49.720 -> 01:01:50.820] then that's great.
[01:01:50.820 -> 01:01:52.000] But you have to,
[01:01:52.000 -> 01:01:54.760] and I've learned from situations like that story,
[01:01:54.760 -> 01:01:57.480] you have to be able to be adaptable at the same time.
[01:01:57.480 -> 01:01:58.320] You have to.
[01:01:58.320 -> 01:02:00.280] You have to be able to learn from that,
[01:02:00.280 -> 01:02:01.240] be able to adapt,
[01:02:01.240 -> 01:02:03.560] and at certain times,
[01:02:03.560 -> 01:02:05.280] be flexible and go with the flow of it,
[01:02:06.000 -> 01:02:07.680] but also have your structure at the same time.
[01:02:07.680 -> 01:02:13.360] So I'm excited for you because I think Paris 2024 is going to be the first time that you're
[01:02:13.360 -> 01:02:16.800] able to compete on the biggest stage of all with freedom.
[01:02:16.800 -> 01:02:24.080] I hope so. I hope so. And for me, I feel the same in a way in terms of I'm refreshed,
[01:02:24.080 -> 01:02:27.160] I'm energised. Like I said, I feel like a young max going into competitions
[01:02:27.160 -> 01:02:33.840] I cannot wait. I literally genuinely excited. I feel like from going from the decision to make making I'm done
[01:02:34.560 -> 01:02:35.860] to then
[01:02:35.860 -> 01:02:42.640] Feeling like now I'm coming back and I actually almost feel like I'm massively lucky to be in a position where I can continue
[01:02:42.640 -> 01:02:46.000] I have an opportunity here and I want to grab it.
[01:02:46.000 -> 01:02:48.440] So I'm generally excited, refreshed.
[01:02:48.440 -> 01:02:52.080] I can kind of do this two year push to Paris,
[01:02:52.080 -> 01:02:55.000] but on the journey, be more open and honest with myself,
[01:02:55.000 -> 01:02:56.560] with everyone, and just, you know,
[01:02:56.560 -> 01:02:58.600] if I'm going and preparing for a competition
[01:02:58.600 -> 01:03:00.760] and it isn't going to plan, it's what it is.
[01:03:00.760 -> 01:03:03.720] And take those sessions with the psychologist, by the way.
[01:03:03.720 -> 01:03:07.300] Yeah. We're
[01:03:07.300 -> 01:03:10.000] gonna finish with our quickfire questions if you don't mind. The first
[01:03:10.000 -> 01:03:13.200] one is what are the three non-negotiable behaviors that you and the people around
[01:03:13.200 -> 01:03:17.000] you have to buy into? That inner competitiveness that I told you about.
[01:03:17.000 -> 01:03:22.460] Yeah. That's key. Commitment from myself on my team. Everyone's got to be in it.
[01:03:22.460 -> 01:03:25.600] I've got that commitment there and I think what I spoke about there,
[01:03:25.600 -> 01:03:27.800] be able to compete under pressure.
[01:03:27.800 -> 01:03:29.640] Like I said, some of the most talented people
[01:03:29.640 -> 01:03:32.000] never get to show what they're actually capable of.
[01:03:32.000 -> 01:03:33.960] What advice would you give to a teenage Max
[01:03:33.960 -> 01:03:34.960] just starting out?
[01:03:36.640 -> 01:03:37.800] Go to psychologist.
[01:03:40.520 -> 01:03:44.720] Yeah, I suppose, accept help when it's off
[01:03:44.720 -> 01:03:49.000] and even if you feel like you don't need it, you know, be more open and honest.
[01:03:49.000 -> 01:03:56.000] Kind of, I understand the point of what I mentioned in terms of if something's working, don't interrupt it.
[01:03:56.000 -> 01:04:05.260] But I think it's good to have people around you that actually are experts, that potentially may have seen this happen before can read
[01:04:05.260 -> 01:04:09.440] situations like this and also think potentially right the mindset of this
[01:04:09.440 -> 01:04:16.300] potential may not be sustainable so almost kind of almost arm yourself for
[01:04:16.300 -> 01:04:19.960] every scenario but give yourself that give yourself the opportunity to be
[01:04:19.960 -> 01:04:30.320] armed with that for me I didn't I rode on through like it was fine and dandy and that's where it didn't work out. Is there one book, podcast or something that you
[01:04:30.320 -> 01:04:33.560] would recommend to our listeners to delve into that's helped you and your
[01:04:33.560 -> 01:04:38.160] mindset over the years? I went for a stage of listening to Gary Vee, so Gary
[01:04:38.160 -> 01:04:43.280] Rayner Chuck quite a lot and I think his morals, his beliefs, his work
[01:04:43.280 -> 01:04:46.720] ethic but also trying to find something and making sure that people
[01:04:46.720 -> 01:04:52.000] find something that they love, they enjoy, I think is key. I think he puts a lot of things
[01:04:52.000 -> 01:04:58.120] into perspective. He did for me in various occasions and I think we're in a world now
[01:04:58.120 -> 01:05:05.660] where I truly believe opportunities are endless. I think we're in a world where you can afford to do
[01:05:05.660 -> 01:05:10.200] something that that you do have a passion for, that you do love and that you
[01:05:10.200 -> 01:05:14.280] can you can make it sustainable to make that you're living because we're in a in
[01:05:14.280 -> 01:05:17.580] a world where like I said it's opportunities are there I think that's
[01:05:17.580 -> 01:05:20.940] an amazing place to be in. If you could go back to one moment of your life what
[01:05:20.940 -> 01:05:30.160] would it be and why? Whenever I ask this I always think about the first thing that comes to mind is my wedding day. The memories from
[01:05:30.160 -> 01:05:36.040] that, everyone there, one place, incredible day like we put everything in to make
[01:05:36.040 -> 01:05:39.120] sure it was everything that it could possibly be but I think there's a moment
[01:05:39.120 -> 01:05:43.600] on your wedding day when you sit at the top table and you just look out
[01:05:43.600 -> 01:06:08.000] and I think that's a surreal moment but almost an amazing moment to look back on y cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a'r cyfan a So that's the one that comes to mind, my first thought. This one is for all those young gymnasts dreaming of being the next Max Whitlock.
[01:06:08.000 -> 01:06:09.360] And we need a really honest answer to this.
[01:06:09.360 -> 01:06:11.200] When you won your first gold medal,
[01:06:11.200 -> 01:06:14.640] how long did the thrill last before you moved on to the next one?
[01:06:15.280 -> 01:06:18.160] In a way, not that long, but in a way forever.
[01:06:18.160 -> 01:06:22.880] I think for me, like I said, I forget about results and I move forward.
[01:06:22.880 -> 01:06:27.160] So in terms of that, the initial thought process and initial kind of amazing feeling of
[01:06:27.480 -> 01:06:31.040] Achieving what you never thought you would or achieving your the pinnacle or your dream
[01:06:31.560 -> 01:06:33.320] Yeah, probably a few weeks
[01:06:33.320 -> 01:06:37.240] But then if you move on and you go to the next thing it goes to the back in mind
[01:06:37.240 -> 01:06:39.160] But at the same time
[01:06:39.160 -> 01:06:41.280] It's never ever going to be taken away from you
[01:06:41.640 -> 01:06:49.440] And I think that's why I live realize so you can always look back at that moment and it will always be there. So in a way not for long.
[01:06:49.440 -> 01:06:54.880] Yeah, Johnny Woodman said that winning the Rugby World Cup lasted 30 seconds for him.
[01:06:54.880 -> 01:06:58.760] Because you guys are made up in that way, you know, where it's... and the reason why
[01:06:58.760 -> 01:07:03.600] I ask the question is because I want young athletes or any young person to realise that
[01:07:03.600 -> 01:07:07.640] this is about the process, it's about the journey, it's not about the destination. If you spend your life
[01:07:07.640 -> 01:07:11.800] waiting to be happy when you win that thing, you'll be waiting.
[01:07:11.800 -> 01:07:18.200] 100% and it was funny because me and the boys have had this conversation and
[01:07:18.200 -> 01:07:22.240] it almost is a way and a technique of taking pressure of yourself and I
[01:07:22.240 -> 01:07:28.160] think it could be quite good for people if they struggle with pressure and I think it's, if you think about that
[01:07:28.160 -> 01:07:33.520] and you think about well, if it goes amazing, it's almost forgot about in a couple of weeks
[01:07:33.520 -> 01:07:38.200] after but it's exactly the same if it doesn't go to plan, it's forgotten about a couple
[01:07:38.200 -> 01:07:42.080] of weeks after and you can move forward and move on. I think when you think about that,
[01:07:42.080 -> 01:08:06.000] I think it puts a lot of things into perspective and then all you can do is just go and do you know what, you can give it your best shot and that's it, that's all anyone can ask you, Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn. Iawn all figured out. I think no matter how successful you are,
[01:08:06.000 -> 01:08:09.000] no matter how much you've done,
[01:08:09.000 -> 01:08:12.000] you can always learn that golden nugget of information
[01:08:12.000 -> 01:08:16.000] from anybody with any experience, any knowledge,
[01:08:16.000 -> 01:08:19.000] or any lack of experience behind them.
[01:08:19.000 -> 01:08:22.000] So, never take anyone for granted
[01:08:22.000 -> 01:08:24.000] because you can learn something from everyone
[01:08:24.000 -> 01:08:26.040] and nobody is better than anyone else
[01:08:27.480 -> 01:08:29.480] Fantastic
[01:08:31.840 -> 01:08:33.600] Damien Jake
[01:08:33.600 -> 01:08:36.180] that was a fascinating conversation because
[01:08:37.040 -> 01:08:41.960] He's almost had no time to process it as he he's kind of still in in the midst of this
[01:08:42.120 -> 01:08:48.640] Yeah, and he's told us that you know, but I think there's a beauty there in allowing us into that thought process
[01:08:48.640 -> 01:08:52.540] He's not presenting this as some beautifully packaged way of thinking
[01:08:52.760 -> 01:08:59.180] It's something that he's walked into a room and he's exploring his discovering and that is almost more powerful
[01:08:59.180 -> 01:09:01.100] I do get a sense though that
[01:09:01.100 -> 01:09:08.440] What he's saying and doing is going to prevent other people or help other people who are either on the same path or might end up on the same path.
[01:09:08.440 -> 01:09:11.840] But I also think that we need to do something to totally change the mindset, not just of
[01:09:11.840 -> 01:09:16.120] him, but of all young people in this country that, you know, when he says I decided not
[01:09:16.120 -> 01:09:22.840] to do the work with the psychologists or the therapists, he, that's because no one told
[01:09:22.840 -> 01:09:28.000] him that it is as important as the press-ups a'r pull-ups a'r streichio.
[01:09:28.000 -> 01:09:33.000] Ac rhaid i'w gynhyrchu fod yn rhan fwyaf o'i hyfydd. Rhaid i'w gynhyrchu fod yn rhan fwyaf o'i hyfydd o'i hyfydd,
[01:09:33.000 -> 01:09:35.000] ar gyfer yr ymdrech o'u bywyd.
[01:09:35.000 -> 01:09:41.000] Ie, dwi'n meddwl, mewn byd Max, gallai unig un olympiadurwyr o'r disyplen ym mhob amser.
[01:09:41.000 -> 01:09:49.440] Felly, ar gyfer defnyddio, mae llawer o bobl, os yw'n einnny ein unig cyfrifoldeb, mae llawer o bobl sy'n gadael, er mwyn i mi feddwl beth yw gwrthwynebu gyda
[01:09:49.440 -> 01:09:53.920] therapist, psychologist a'r psychiatrist sy'n gallu helpu i ddeall hyn, nid yw
[01:09:53.920 -> 01:09:57.640] ymwneud â beth rydych chi'n cael, ond yw beth rydych chi'n mynd i'r broses sy'n mwy
[01:09:57.640 -> 01:10:01.840] anodd. Ac rwy'n credu y dyna lle bydd y ffordd o'r ddwy flynedd nesaf o'r
[01:10:01.840 -> 01:10:09.800] ffyrdd o Max yn ffasinatig iawn i ddewis y person y bydd yn where Max's journey over the next two years is going to be utterly fascinating to watch the person that he becomes on this quest not to whether he wins an
[01:10:09.800 -> 01:10:13.920] Olympic gold medal or not he's already won by the fact that he's decided that
[01:10:13.920 -> 01:10:19.360] he's gonna stretch himself he's gonna go beyond his comfort zone and that's where
[01:10:19.360 -> 01:10:24.760] we need to shift the focus of our attention not on whether he's on the
[01:10:24.760 -> 01:10:26.820] podium in Paris
[01:10:26.820 -> 01:10:28.400] in two years time or not.
[01:10:28.400 -> 01:10:29.960] Yeah, life's funny in it though.
[01:10:29.960 -> 01:10:31.940] I mean, all the things that he thought
[01:10:31.940 -> 01:10:34.720] he was setting himself up to be successful with
[01:10:34.720 -> 01:10:37.040] and that were helping him be successful
[01:10:37.040 -> 01:10:38.880] are also the very things that undo you.
[01:10:38.880 -> 01:10:41.360] You know, they've undone him in a mental sense.
[01:10:41.360 -> 01:10:44.640] But also like that story, that amazing story told us
[01:10:44.640 -> 01:10:47.940] where he got a bit of urine on his trousers and it
[01:10:48.740 -> 01:10:51.080] totally derailed him and that's because
[01:10:51.760 -> 01:10:53.820] He thought that having that strict
[01:10:54.700 -> 01:10:59.400] Rigid approach to everything was gonna was gonna give him success which it will
[01:10:59.960 -> 01:11:04.600] Until everyone's got a plan to get a punch on the foot in the face, right as it was famously said
[01:11:05.320 -> 01:11:06.800] so actually
[01:11:06.800 -> 01:11:09.160] Freedom is where people will find
[01:11:09.800 -> 01:11:17.480] True success and a success that's got a real foundation to it because it can't be derailed. Yeah, that's a really powerful point
[01:11:17.480 -> 01:11:19.600] I love that example of him because when we're talking about
[01:11:20.080 -> 01:11:23.240] We get caught up in this view that marginal gains is where it's out
[01:11:23.240 -> 01:11:23.840] but again
[01:11:23.840 -> 01:11:28.000] we look at marginal losses and the detrimental effect that that can have.
[01:11:28.000 -> 01:11:37.000] And I think when we can almost overcome both of them by having both the discipline for the stuff we can control, but the flexibility to go with it.
[01:11:37.000 -> 01:11:45.000] You know, we've said loads of times that it's nice to have a clear focus on where you want to get to, but it's equally nice to be flexible on the route that you choose to get there. ond mae'n ddiddorol iawn i fod yn ddefnyddiol ar y bwyd y byddwch chi'n dewis i gael yno,
[01:11:45.000 -> 01:11:51.000] mae'n gyfleus iawn o'r lle y mae Max ar hyn o bryd.
[01:11:51.000 -> 01:11:57.000] Wel, rwy'n hapus iddo, mae'n mynd dros y peth, ond rwy'n hapus iddo fod wedi dod i'r amgylchedd ar y gwst.
[01:11:57.000 -> 01:12:01.000] Rwy'n credu ei fod yn ffasinatig i weld beth sy'n digwydd ar y ddau ar gyfer ni.
[01:12:01.000 -> 01:12:09.520] Ie, ac rwy'n gobeithio bod llawer o ddarlithwyr yno y bydd yn cael y mwyaf effaith y mae wedi'i gael arni yn y diwedd arall o'i gilydd, mae'n gwneud i ni stopio a
[01:12:09.520 -> 01:12:14.480] pau a ddefnyddio ychydig ychydig ar y narratif hwn, y gwybodaeth bod y pwynt yn y pwynt a'r ddeg yn
[01:12:14.480 -> 01:12:20.640] nid, ac rhai o'r afamysgiau gynharachol hwnnw sy'n aml yn cael eu gwahoddwch ac yn dechrau
[01:12:20.640 -> 01:12:28.480] gweld bod yw chi'n ddod yn y broses o ddod yn ôl i'ch gynlluniau a dyna'r and start to see that it's who you become in the process of going after your goals that is actually the true definition of high performance.
[01:12:28.480 -> 01:12:29.440] Thanks mate.
[01:12:29.440 -> 01:12:30.720] Loved it. Thanks mate.
[01:12:30.720 -> 01:12:34.640] And don't forget if you want to hear what was said when the microphones carried on rolling,
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[01:12:37.760 -> 01:12:42.400] our premium service brings you even more from our high performance guests.
[01:12:44.400 -> 01:12:46.320] It's time to meet another high performance
[01:12:46.320 -> 01:12:51.040] listener this time, someone on the other side of the planet from where we are. Hey Dan.
[01:12:51.040 -> 01:12:55.520] Hi Jake, how are you? Very well, thanks. I will permit the one second delay between us
[01:12:55.520 -> 01:12:59.280] and you because I'm in Norwich, Damian's in Manchester and you are in?
[01:12:59.280 -> 01:13:05.400] Melbourne, Melbourne, Australia. So why are you on high performance? Tell us everything. Oh, well, yeah.
[01:13:05.400 -> 01:13:12.160] So I, I bought since a Damien, um, in, um, in Manchester and having, you believe you
[01:13:12.160 -> 01:13:14.400] are having lunch with your family, when you Damien just outside.
[01:13:14.400 -> 01:13:15.400] And that's right.
[01:13:15.400 -> 01:13:16.400] Yeah.
[01:13:16.400 -> 01:13:21.400] I sort of walked past and I was with my brother and I said, actually, that's from high performance.
[01:13:21.400 -> 01:13:22.560] And it was one of those things.
[01:13:22.560 -> 01:13:31.000] And Jake, this is actually one for you as well. I actually walked past you once outside BBC television center, and I didn't go over and
[01:13:31.000 -> 01:13:32.760] say thank you for the podcast.
[01:13:32.760 -> 01:13:34.580] This is years ago as well.
[01:13:34.580 -> 01:13:36.680] This was early days of the podcast.
[01:13:36.680 -> 01:13:42.360] And I sort of thought to myself always, I regret not going over and saying thank you.
[01:13:42.360 -> 01:13:46.160] Thank you for what though, Dan? It's changing my life.
[01:13:46.240 -> 01:13:50.520] Honestly, the pod absolutely, I mean, you used to be saying the pod as well.
[01:13:50.520 -> 01:13:54.840] And that means to say that, um, it has absolutely changed my life.
[01:13:54.840 -> 01:13:58.680] It completely changed my mindset that the person I was when I started.
[01:13:59.920 -> 01:14:04.200] Taking in this content, perhaps the person I am now and all the people that you've
[01:14:04.200 -> 01:14:07.640] spoken to in between and the incredible differences between them, but then the
[01:14:07.640 -> 01:14:12.280] incredible similarities between them as well, it's massively changed my mindset and
[01:14:12.280 -> 01:14:18.480] the way I sort of approach my life. So for context Dan, you, so you're an actor by
[01:14:18.480 -> 01:14:22.400] training, yeah, and a comedian as well. So tell us about when you say about
[01:14:22.400 -> 01:14:25.720] changing your life, tell us a little bit around your own journey.
[01:14:25.720 -> 01:14:32.280] Absolutely. So I was, I studied a politics degree and then I moved from a politics degree
[01:14:32.280 -> 01:14:37.000] into working for businesses, working in sales. I was always told, oh, Dan, you know, you
[01:14:37.000 -> 01:14:42.000] can talk to people, go and work in sales. So I did. And then I sort of got on that,
[01:14:42.000 -> 01:14:47.280] on that ladder and I was working with people and I was surrounded by people and I was enjoying it and enjoying the culture and enjoying earning money but I
[01:14:47.280 -> 01:14:53.120] was never fulfilled. I always loved performing since I was a kid. I've always been a performer.
[01:14:53.120 -> 01:14:56.480] I've always loved making people laugh. It's always been the number one thing that I love to do
[01:14:57.280 -> 01:15:03.040] and I always wanted to make my own comedy. You know I had somewhat of an acting career. I was
[01:15:03.040 -> 01:15:05.280] represented all this kind of thing,
[01:15:10.880 -> 01:15:11.920] my focus was never on that. And unsurprisingly, I was full of excuses as to why that was.
[01:15:19.040 -> 01:15:29.380] And then this, this podcast effectively became, I know, Damien, you spoke about this in the before, it became one of my monkeys, these five monkeys that we all have, the podcast became one of those. And it allowed me to take personal responsibility over what I was doing and
[01:15:29.760 -> 01:15:33.320] reflect in hearing the people that come on this podcast speak so incredibly
[01:15:33.360 -> 01:15:38.000] honestly about themselves, encouraged me to look at myself and be honest with
[01:15:38.000 -> 01:15:40.640] myself and why am I where I am?
[01:15:40.780 -> 01:15:44.320] Well, it's because of my actions is how I can change it.
[01:15:44.320 -> 01:15:48.280] So then from that, I've done a little, you're telling what I'm doing.
[01:15:48.280 -> 01:15:50.440] I'm no longer working in that kind of environment anymore.
[01:15:50.440 -> 01:15:53.480] And I'm making my own comedy and releasing it twice a week.
[01:15:53.840 -> 01:15:58.200] It reminds me of like when we met Russell Cain on one of the live shows
[01:15:58.200 -> 01:16:01.760] that we did and put out on a podcast, he, he spoke about that moment when
[01:16:01.760 -> 01:16:07.640] people come over and say to him, uh, you know, I'd love to be a comedian like you and he says he says to me
[01:16:07.640 -> 01:16:10.620] It's the equivalent of go over to that exercise equipment in the gym
[01:16:10.880 -> 01:16:14.200] Go and work on it for two years and then come back and we'll see where you are
[01:16:14.200 -> 01:16:18.140] Then it's that idea of having to actually do the work of learning your craft
[01:16:18.140 -> 01:16:22.800] And so what are the key messages in in that journey of you?
[01:16:23.220 -> 01:16:26.080] Deciding to pursue this career and set up your comedy
[01:16:26.080 -> 01:16:30.160] channel then Dan that you think our listeners might benefit from understanding?
[01:16:30.160 -> 01:16:36.080] Well I mean there's so many aren't there and I mean it's almost referencing the ones that
[01:16:36.080 -> 01:16:39.920] I've learned on here and I think the biggest one for me was failure and that's the biggest
[01:16:39.920 -> 01:16:45.840] thing I think within performance and I learned that from this podcast, but people aren't in performance.
[01:16:46.480 -> 01:16:50.000] Uh, I know we've had a number of people that are performers, you know, you've
[01:16:50.000 -> 01:16:54.880] had the almighty Matthew McConaughey, haven't you, but it's, it's all the
[01:16:54.880 -> 01:16:58.000] people in business, it's all the people in sport that come in and talk about.
[01:16:58.880 -> 01:16:59.280] Failure.
[01:16:59.280 -> 01:17:02.840] And, you know, I released a video and it could absolutely
[01:17:02.840 -> 01:17:03.960] flatline, it could do nothing.
[01:17:04.360 -> 01:17:08.280] And originally that was the most daunting aspect of starting anything like this.
[01:17:08.280 -> 01:17:13.380] What if I tell a joke on the internet, I can never get back and no one finds it
[01:17:13.380 -> 01:17:13.660] funny.
[01:17:14.320 -> 01:17:18.400] And I mean, that happened last week and something make out of Duolingo and no
[01:17:18.400 -> 01:17:20.720] one found it funny, but I'm no longer afraid of that.
[01:17:21.180 -> 01:17:24.360] And when I first started, it was terrifying, absolutely terrifying.
[01:17:24.360 -> 01:17:25.440] But it taught me to sort of, um, what's that? afraid of that. And when I first started, it was terrifying, absolutely terrifying. But
[01:17:30.080 -> 01:17:34.240] it taught me to sort of, um, what's that? It's the, it's the quote that Damien said a number of times, give up the, your love of money and your fear of death. I would say the high performance
[01:17:34.240 -> 01:17:38.880] version of that is, give up your love of money and your fear of failure, and then you can live
[01:17:38.880 -> 01:17:45.060] freely. And I feel like it's the biggest lesson for me. Brilliant. Where can people find your work Dan?
[01:17:47.680 -> 01:17:48.280] Daniel Robert Lockett all one word on
[01:17:49.680 -> 01:17:51.240] Instagram is around probably releasing everything
[01:17:51.240 -> 01:17:55.760] I love it down when I've when I've seen it ever since we met I have a look at it and I think you're incredibly
[01:17:55.920 -> 01:18:02.200] Talented so and I can see that you're developing as well. So that's brilliant. Very kind words. Thank you, David
[01:18:03.760 -> 01:18:06.080] Well, how about that then for a powerful guest
[01:18:06.080 -> 01:18:07.960] and a powerful conversation.
[01:18:07.960 -> 01:18:09.460] Max, on behalf of the whole team,
[01:18:09.460 -> 01:18:12.480] thank you so much for being brave enough to come on
[01:18:12.480 -> 01:18:13.640] and be as honest as you were.
[01:18:13.640 -> 01:18:16.120] You know, I think often sports stars are okay
[01:18:16.120 -> 01:18:18.300] to talk about their challenges and their struggles
[01:18:18.300 -> 01:18:20.260] when they've retired, because it feels a bit safer.
[01:18:20.260 -> 01:18:22.680] But for someone who is in the middle of his career,
[01:18:22.680 -> 01:18:24.080] for someone who is still competing,
[01:18:24.080 -> 01:18:25.160] for someone who is looking forward to a big challenge of the someone who is still competing, for someone who is looking forward
[01:18:25.160 -> 01:18:27.480] to a big challenge of the next Olympics,
[01:18:27.480 -> 01:18:29.040] for you to come on here and talk as you did,
[01:18:29.040 -> 01:18:30.400] I know will help so many people.
[01:18:30.400 -> 01:18:31.640] So thank you, Max.
[01:18:31.640 -> 01:18:34.160] And if you've been touched by what you heard today,
[01:18:34.160 -> 01:18:35.960] please spread the learnings you're taking
[01:18:35.960 -> 01:18:37.320] from these conversations.
[01:18:37.320 -> 01:18:39.720] That's what can make a real difference to the world.
[01:18:39.720 -> 01:18:41.760] Thanks to the whole team of Finn and Hannah,
[01:18:41.760 -> 01:18:45.560] Will Eve, Gemma, Callum, and many other people.
[01:18:45.560 -> 01:18:48.260] Remember, there is no secret, okay?
[01:18:48.260 -> 01:18:49.720] It is all there for you.
[01:18:49.720 -> 01:18:51.480] So chase world-class basics.
[01:18:51.480 -> 01:18:53.440] Don't get high on your own supply.
[01:18:53.440 -> 01:18:56.720] Remain humble, curious, and empathetic.
[01:18:56.720 -> 01:19:11.920] And we'll see you soon. Bye!