A year in High Performance - Handpicked

Jake and Damian look back on the variety of guests that have joined the podcast in 2023 and the invaluable insights they provided.

They reflect on the episode with Will Still when he shared why it’s so important to embrace our differences. Shane Parrish was another guest that offered insightful and empowering takeaways, including the idea of living life on easy mode or hard mode. Jake and Damian also listen back to the insights shared by businesswoman and philanthropist Dame Stephanie Shirley and Labour leader, Keir Starmer.

Thank you for joining us on this journey - we can’t wait to see what 2024 has to offer!

Listen to the episodes mentioned here:

Will Still: https://pod.fo/e/1ea4ea

Shane Parrish: https://pod.fo/e/1ff000

Dame Stephanie Shirley: https://pod.fo/e/16a443

Keir Starmer: https://pod.fo/e/16f84a

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**Navigating the Maze of Formula One with Jake Humphrey and Damian Hughes: A High-Performance Journey Through 2023**

Jake Humphrey and Damian Hughes, the dynamic duo behind the High Performance Podcast, embarked on an exhilarating journey through the world of Formula One in 2023, engaging in thought-provoking conversations with a diverse array of guests. From renowned drivers and team principals to business leaders and cultural icons, their discussions delved into the intricate nuances of the sport, exploring the mindset, strategies, and resilience required to succeed at the pinnacle of motorsports.

**Embracing Differences and Harnessing the Power of Diversity**

One of the standout moments of the podcast's 2023 season was the inspiring conversation with Will Still, the young and charismatic manager of Stade de Reims. Still's unique approach to leadership, emphasizing the importance of embracing differences and fostering a culture of inclusivity, resonated with listeners, highlighting the immense value of diversity in driving innovation and success.

**Living Life on Easy Mode or Hard Mode: A Choice with Profound Implications**

Another pivotal episode featured Shane Parrish, the acclaimed author and founder of the Farnham Street blog. Parrish introduced the concept of "easy mode" versus "hard mode," challenging listeners to reflect on their daily habits and choices. By consciously selecting the path of least resistance or embracing challenges head-on, individuals can significantly impact their outcomes and personal growth.

**The Unwavering Spirit of Dame Stephanie Shirley: A Pioneer and Philanthropist**

The podcast also had the privilege of hosting Dame Stephanie Shirley, a trailblazing businesswoman, philanthropist, and a true inspiration. Shirley's remarkable life story, from fleeing Nazi Germany as a young girl to establishing a thriving technology company and dedicating her wealth to supporting young people with autism, left an indelible mark on listeners, demonstrating the transformative power of resilience, determination, and giving back to society.

**Keir Starmer's Insights on Leadership, Culture, and Empathy**

The podcast's exploration of Formula One extended beyond the racetrack, venturing into the realm of politics with an insightful conversation with Keir Starmer, the leader of the Labour Party in the United Kingdom. Starmer shared his perspectives on leadership, emphasizing the importance of creating a culture of respect, empathy, and inclusivity within teams. His candid reflections on his personal life, including his relationship with his father, offered a rare glimpse into the human side of a prominent political figure.

**A Year of Growth, Learning, and Connection: The High Performance Podcast's Enduring Legacy**

As 2023 draws to a close, Jake and Damian reflect on the transformative impact of the podcast, expressing gratitude for the invaluable insights shared by their guests. They acknowledge the challenges of 2023, emphasizing how the conversations they've had have served as beacons of light, illuminating paths forward and inspiring listeners to pursue their own high-performance journeys.

**Key Takeaways and Enduring Wisdom from the Podcast's 2023 Season**

* **Embrace Differences:** Recognize and celebrate the unique strengths and perspectives of individuals, fostering an inclusive environment that drives innovation and success.

* **Choose Your Path:** Decide whether to navigate life on "easy mode" or "hard mode," understanding that the challenges you face can contribute to your growth and resilience.

* **Live a Meaningful Life:** Strive to make a positive impact on the world, leaving a legacy of purpose and significance.

* **Cultivate Empathy and Respect:** Foster a culture of empathy, respect, and inclusivity within teams, recognizing the value of diverse perspectives and backgrounds.

* **Learn from Adversity:** Embrace challenges as opportunities for growth, resilience, and self-discovery.

**2024: A New Chapter of High-Performance Conversations**

With 2023 coming to an end, Jake and Damian express their excitement for the year ahead, promising to continue their quest for high-performance insights and inspiration. They invite listeners to join them on this journey, encouraging them to embrace the transformative power of learning and growth.

In this episode, Jake and Damian reflect on the diverse lineup of guests featured on their podcast "High Performance" throughout 2023 and the valuable insights they shared.

They recall the episode with Will Still, who emphasized the importance of embracing differences and creating an inclusive environment. Shane Parrish shared empowering perspectives, including the concept of living life on "easy mode" or "hard mode," encouraging listeners to challenge themselves and embrace discomfort for personal growth.

The hosts also revisit the conversations with businesswoman and philanthropist Dame Stephanie Shirley and Labour leader Keir Starmer, highlighting their unique insights and experiences.

Jake and Damian express gratitude for the support of their listeners and encourage them to share the podcast with others, especially given the exciting lineup of guests planned for January 2024. They emphasize the importance of focusing on small steps rather than grand leaps in pursuit of high performance and personal fulfillment.

The episode concludes with a message of resilience and hope, reminding listeners that both difficult and exceptional times are transient. The hosts express their commitment to accompanying listeners on their journey of high performance in the coming year.

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[02:41.740 -> 02:47.560] hey everyone it's Jake and Damien here as we just sort of enjoy the final throws of
[02:47.560 -> 02:52.400] 2023. Just a couple of days left this year. How do you think the year has been for you?
[02:52.400 -> 02:57.040] You know, whirlwind really Jake. When we look back and think about it, the only thing from
[02:57.040 -> 03:02.200] the very start of the year when we were sat down with people like Ryan Mason, we were
[03:02.200 -> 03:05.360] recording, it seems incredibly incredibly close but also like a
[03:05.360 -> 03:10.480] long 12 months as well. I feel a bit like some of the high performance listeners
[03:10.480 -> 03:14.120] this year you know like sometimes we get messages from people saying things are
[03:14.120 -> 03:17.600] tough but your podcast has really helped me. I actually think for me that's
[03:17.600 -> 03:20.960] been this year like it's been a tough year in so many ways and actually doing
[03:20.960 -> 03:27.600] these records, speaking to these guests, learning the things we've learned, this has kind of been like the bright spots in the
[03:27.600 -> 03:31.880] year almost for me, you know. Right, and any particular ones stand out for that
[03:31.880 -> 03:36.440] reason? I think for me, right, is the the breadth of the people that we speak to.
[03:36.440 -> 03:41.320] So let's just sort of randomly pick a few people from 2023 in the sports
[03:41.320 -> 03:47.280] world, Fernando Alonso, Matt Fitzpatrick, Kieran Trippier in the entertainment
[03:47.280 -> 03:53.960] world, Rylan in the leadership world, James Clear and Shane Parish.
[03:53.960 -> 03:56.240] You know, I think it's, I don't know, it's weird.
[03:56.240 -> 03:59.320] It always feels like whoever we speak to, there's just something that day that makes
[03:59.320 -> 04:01.880] me think, oh, that's interesting.
[04:01.880 -> 04:05.520] I was thinking that maybe we could just reminisce a bit, but I think
[04:05.520 -> 04:09.960] we should just get straight into this and just delve into a couple of moments from 2023
[04:09.960 -> 04:14.040] that stand out. It's always hard, isn't it, when people say to us, tell me one of your
[04:14.040 -> 04:17.160] favourite guests of the year, because you're like, well, all of them.
[04:17.160 -> 04:22.920] Yeah, I found it torturous, but also like a torturous pleasure to go back and have a
[04:22.920 -> 04:30.280] look and the one that I wanted to offer up to just reflect on was Will Still. And partly because we're both
[04:30.280 -> 04:33.440] football fans but there's a lot of people that listen to the podcast that
[04:33.440 -> 04:38.180] love football often from the perspective of an outsider looking into a world that
[04:38.180 -> 04:43.440] often seems quite complex or difficult to break into or you know talent might
[04:43.440 -> 04:45.200] be a barrier of entry
[04:45.200 -> 04:49.560] obviously. And he was a brilliant example of a young lad that came from fairly
[04:49.560 -> 04:54.920] inauspicious beginnings. He didn't have a particular talent to play football but
[04:54.920 -> 04:58.640] he loved playing football whether that was kicking around with his mates or on
[04:58.640 -> 05:04.800] the computer. And yet somehow he's found himself making an incredible career in
[05:04.800 -> 05:08.320] elite football over in France at the moment.
[05:08.320 -> 05:12.240] Yeah, manager of Stade de Haas, the youngest manager in one of Europe's top five leagues.
[05:12.240 -> 05:13.440] What clip have you picked out?
[05:13.440 -> 05:20.000] Well, the first one was just Will's own self-awareness that he described to us brilliantly,
[05:20.000 -> 05:24.240] because he almost used it as a superpower when he had to go into the dressing room
[05:24.240 -> 05:28.240] and deliver his first team talk as a manager. Let's listen to the way he does it.
[05:30.080 -> 05:37.280] You know when I took over it's like right I'm big, I'm ginger, I talk half decent English,
[05:37.280 -> 05:43.600] half decent French, I'm from Belgium working in France and I'm gonna get things wrong, deal with
[05:43.600 -> 05:49.800] it. Junya Ito, he's Japanese, he pretends he can't speak English but he can. He pretends he doesn't
[05:49.800 -> 05:57.280] understand French but he does. Eats rice every lunchtime for a meal. Isn't gonna eat whatever
[05:57.280 -> 06:02.000] we eat. Isn't gonna talk whatever you're talking about. Deal with it.
[06:02.000 -> 06:07.440] Marshall Munizzi from Zimbabwe talks about cricket, runs a lot,
[06:07.440 -> 06:13.040] smiles a lot, eats weird things too, makes a lot of noise but he's not the most
[06:13.040 -> 06:16.960] comfortable in that situation, deal with it. Okay and I just went through every
[06:16.960 -> 06:21.440] player and said right we all have our own specifics, we all have our own weird
[06:21.440 -> 06:28.440] traits of character, we all have almost that thing that makes us special. Don't hide it, you know, don't try and put it away,
[06:28.440 -> 06:32.960] don't try and be someone that I don't want you to be, just be whoever you want
[06:32.960 -> 06:35.840] to be, just make sure you're there to win games.
[06:35.840 -> 06:42.160] I love that. There's a really simple formula from Tim Galway, the author of
[06:42.160 -> 06:46.960] The Inner Game of Tennis, that says performance
[06:44.960 -> 06:49.000] can be defined as your potential minus
[06:46.960 -> 06:51.520] the interference that you allow to
[06:49.000 -> 06:53.960] creep in. And what Will's doing there is just
[06:51.520 -> 06:55.680] basically telling everyone what are the
[06:53.960 -> 06:56.960] factors that might interfere with your
[06:55.680 -> 06:58.840] judgment or how you build a
[06:56.960 -> 07:01.360] relationship or how you get on with your
[06:58.840 -> 07:03.640] job. And almost just by being able to
[07:01.360 -> 07:06.120] articulate it, you remove it as an
[07:03.640 -> 07:05.400] obstacle or as a problem
[07:05.400 -> 07:10.080] for anybody and then you can move forward with just getting on with, as he said at the
[07:10.080 -> 07:11.400] end, we're here to win.
[07:11.400 -> 07:16.440] I love the simplicity as well, like, just deal with it, we're all different, you know,
[07:16.440 -> 07:21.300] we're all got our unique points and I think the fact that he calls himself out as well
[07:21.300 -> 07:28.000] makes a massive difference. If he'd have just called out all of the foibles of his players and not sort of come for himself I think it's
[07:28.000 -> 07:31.920] different but when he just says look at me I'm big, I'm ginger, it's great.
[07:31.920 -> 07:36.600] Yeah and it's that line I'm gonna make mistakes, deal with it. So you're already
[07:36.600 -> 07:41.760] baking it in, I'm not perfect, I'm not gonna be infallible here but let's just
[07:41.760 -> 07:51.120] accept that as part of the deal of working together. I think it was absolutely brilliant and that leads us to his second quote that I want to share with us.
[07:51.840 -> 07:53.840] Remind me of this one?
[07:54.640 -> 07:58.240] A week later Vincent Kompany rings me up and he said, oh well, you know
[07:59.120 -> 08:06.160] can't be my assistant at Anderlecht because Craig Badamy just left. Yeah, great and it was like
[08:06.160 -> 08:09.960] you know perfect match I can be back in Belgium and finish my coaching badges
[08:09.960 -> 08:14.820] off, work for you know one of the biggest clubs in Belgium and work for Vinnie
[08:14.820 -> 08:18.400] company you know, it doesn't get much better than that. So told Raas about it,
[08:18.400 -> 08:27.680] they weren't best pleased but they agreed in the end, found an agreement with Anderlecht and then had a very honest
[08:27.680 -> 08:32.560] conversation with Vinnie of drive up to Anderlecht, go around the training complex,
[08:34.080 -> 08:39.120] almost sign a piece of paper and then you know see Vinnie and it's like Vinnie what am I doing?
[08:39.120 -> 08:43.840] And I just couldn't see myself working in that structure in that environment because
[08:45.420 -> 08:50.320] see myself working in that structure in that environment because it was Vincent Company's environment and I have the utmost respect for you know Vinnie
[08:50.320 -> 08:55.120] Company's regime and his structure and his work but I couldn't see myself
[08:55.120 -> 09:01.040] working in it and so I turn around and sort of think I've messed it up I don't
[09:01.040 -> 09:04.840] want to work with Vinnie Company I'm not going to bring what he's expecting me to
[09:04.840 -> 09:06.880] bring in that environment I'm gonna'm not going to bring what he's expecting me to bring in that environment
[09:06.880 -> 09:12.440] I'm gonna be totally useless at us doing what he's asking me to do. I pluck up the balls ring him up Vinnie
[09:12.440 -> 09:14.440] I think I made a bad choice
[09:15.080 -> 09:17.080] All right. Okay. Well, well
[09:17.440 -> 09:19.440] That's fine. Thanks for your honesty
[09:19.880 -> 09:23.180] I'm sure we'll you know, talk again speak again. Whatever all the best
[09:24.440 -> 09:25.200] That's it?
[09:25.200 -> 09:25.800] Yeah.
[09:25.800 -> 09:27.000] Oh shit, that was easy.
[09:29.000 -> 09:35.000] I absolutely love that because, you know, sometimes the worst thing we can do when we make a mistake is we double down on it.
[09:35.000 -> 09:42.000] And we sort of pursue it even though we know we're on the wrong path of action, but we've told people and we've made a commitment.
[09:42.000 -> 09:48.800] And I think it takes real courage to sometimes reflect and go, you know what, this isn't for me and to have the honest
[09:48.800 -> 09:53.400] conversation with whoever it is that you're having to let down because
[09:53.400 -> 09:57.240] ultimately it's your journey and it's your journey alone.
[09:57.240 -> 10:01.600] It's also a nice clip because I think that we feel like special things go on
[10:01.600 -> 10:03.840] in the world of football, it's not like the real world.
[10:03.840 -> 10:08.160] Well of course it is, that conversation has been had in offices and in schools and in
[10:08.160 -> 10:12.400] businesses all over the world all of the time. People just making a mistake and not sure
[10:12.400 -> 10:19.560] how to reverse out of that error. And I think for Will to talk about it really vulnerably
[10:19.560 -> 10:22.160] is important. It's an easy thing to talk about when you've retired and you're no longer in
[10:22.160 -> 10:26.840] the game. When you're a current top flight manager, to admit that sort of stuff is really important.
[10:26.840 -> 10:28.440] Shall I take us to a guest?
[10:28.440 -> 10:30.360] Go on, who have you chosen?
[10:30.360 -> 10:35.080] So I loved the conversation with Shane Parish, the author, the creator of the Farnham Street
[10:35.080 -> 10:36.080] blog.
[10:36.080 -> 10:38.120] I know you were super excited to meet him, weren't you?
[10:38.120 -> 10:39.120] Yeah, I was.
[10:39.120 -> 10:44.480] I've read his stuff, I've done some of the courses of his decisions by design and I just
[10:44.480 -> 10:45.160] think he's a brilliant
[10:45.160 -> 10:50.320] thinker. He's got the ability to take complex ideas and present them in a really simple,
[10:50.320 -> 10:51.320] succinct way.
[10:51.320 -> 10:55.440] So I think he is an empowerer. I think he is an empowerer of other people. He is a reminder
[10:55.440 -> 10:59.480] of our own abilities. And I think there's too much in this world reminding people like,
[10:59.480 -> 11:03.960] and I sometimes feel it myself, oh, you know what, there's so much out of your control.
[11:03.960 -> 11:05.960] You might as well just assume that everything's out of your control.
[11:05.960 -> 11:09.440] Whereas he's reminding us that the thing that's happening
[11:09.440 -> 11:12.800] is totally altered by your response to it.
[11:12.800 -> 11:16.480] And this idea of hard or easy mode that he spoke about,
[11:16.480 -> 11:17.640] like really resonated with me.
[11:17.640 -> 11:18.800] Should we hear him talk about it?
[11:18.800 -> 11:19.880] Go on, I'd love that.
[11:21.440 -> 11:24.800] It's just being conscious about how am I positioning myself?
[11:24.800 -> 11:28.340] Am I putting myself in the best position possible to have the best day tomorrow?
[11:28.340 -> 11:32.080] If I were to talk to you tonight and say, what are the things that you can do tonight
[11:32.080 -> 11:34.800] that are going to make tomorrow easier for you?
[11:34.800 -> 11:36.280] And then you start thinking about that.
[11:36.280 -> 11:38.800] Well, okay, well, here, I can go to bed on time.
[11:38.800 -> 11:39.960] I can maybe not drink.
[11:39.960 -> 11:41.160] I can work out tonight.
[11:41.160 -> 11:45.120] I can meaningfully connect with my partner or my spouse.
[11:45.120 -> 11:46.560] I can clean up the kitchen.
[11:46.560 -> 11:49.720] I can read this book that I've been meaning to read
[11:49.720 -> 11:51.880] that's gonna affect how I perform at work tomorrow
[11:51.880 -> 11:54.120] because it's on a topic that I do at work.
[11:54.120 -> 11:56.920] Well, these are things 100% within your control
[11:56.920 -> 11:59.120] that you can do tonight to make tomorrow easier.
[11:59.120 -> 12:01.760] And if you repeat that day after day, well, what happens?
[12:01.760 -> 12:04.640] You start to be in an increasingly better position.
[12:04.640 -> 12:09.160] One of my kids came home, I have two teenagers, 13 and 14 year old, last year he came home
[12:09.160 -> 12:16.440] with an exam and tossed me this exam that I have to sign and said I did my best. So
[12:16.440 -> 12:21.160] later on that night I'm like, well talk to me about what it means to do your best. Like
[12:21.160 -> 12:27.600] walk me through this. I really want to know, I want you to be specific. He's like, okay, well, the exam started at 10 o'clock.
[12:27.600 -> 12:28.880] I sat down.
[12:28.880 -> 12:30.040] I looked at all the questions.
[12:30.040 -> 12:31.560] I looked at all the points.
[12:31.560 -> 12:32.760] I looked at how much time I had.
[12:32.760 -> 12:36.280] I allocated my energy to the questions with the most points.
[12:36.280 -> 12:40.080] I'm like, okay, you followed your test-taking algorithm.
[12:40.080 -> 12:42.840] And he's like, and I answered them to the best of my ability.
[12:42.840 -> 12:44.980] And I was like, oh, that's really interesting.
[12:44.980 -> 12:47.960] That is how most adults think about decision-making.
[12:47.960 -> 12:50.400] That is how most adults think about life.
[12:50.400 -> 12:54.200] But let's rewind 72 hours here.
[12:54.200 -> 12:57.400] What did you do leading up to this test?
[12:57.400 -> 12:59.040] Did you fight with your brother in the morning?
[12:59.040 -> 12:59.880] Yes.
[12:59.880 -> 13:01.440] Did you eat a healthy breakfast?
[13:01.440 -> 13:02.480] No.
[13:02.480 -> 13:04.560] Did you go to bed on time the night before?
[13:04.560 -> 13:05.560] No, why not? I was cramming. bed on time the night before? No. Why not?
[13:05.560 -> 13:10.040] I was cramming. Why were you cramming? I didn't study. I looked at him and I was like, you
[13:10.040 -> 13:14.260] chose to play on hard mode. All of these things are within your control. There are things
[13:14.260 -> 13:17.900] that you know, if I sat you down and said, how do you prepare for this test? You know
[13:17.900 -> 13:22.600] you can do all of these things. And if you do them, that doesn't mean the test isn't
[13:22.600 -> 13:25.180] going to kick your butt, but it dramatically
[13:25.180 -> 13:29.260] increases the odds that you're going to be successful on that test.
[13:29.260 -> 13:33.900] And I think that's easy mode versus hard mode.
[13:33.900 -> 13:35.380] Shane Parish, what a guy.
[13:35.380 -> 13:38.900] And the reason why I loved that clip from him was because I'd sort of got myself into
[13:38.900 -> 13:41.420] this thinking that the thing is the thing, right?
[13:41.420 -> 13:48.240] So when something goes right or wrong in my life, it's because of the moment where it went right or wrong. And what I've really enjoyed about that was, you
[13:48.240 -> 13:52.080] know, he's obviously talking there about his kid doing their exams. It's a reminder that
[13:52.080 -> 13:55.840] all of the things that built up to that moment is the reason why the moment went the way
[13:55.840 -> 13:59.520] it did. So when good things happen, right? I think, oh, great, I've done something really
[13:59.520 -> 14:04.800] well today and I've managed to secure something or win something or achieve something. And
[14:04.800 -> 14:08.160] that doesn't allow for all of the months of hard work, of preparation, of
[14:08.160 -> 14:13.680] laying the sort of the groundwork of doing the thing that gets unseen that you never
[14:13.680 -> 14:15.680] get celebrated for, for months and months and months.
[14:15.960 -> 14:18.880] It's almost like, you know, failure or success is down the road really.
[14:19.480 -> 14:20.640] And I've never looked at it like that.
[14:21.320 -> 14:24.040] I've looked at it on the day when you get the failure or the success, have you had a
[14:24.040 -> 14:26.240] good or a bad day, but it's actually, it's have you had a
[14:26.240 -> 14:30.080] good or a bad six months, 12 months, 18 months, they got you there, you know.
[14:30.080 -> 14:34.200] So Shane would say to us, I'm paraphrasing, that what have you done with that knowledge?
[14:34.200 -> 14:37.520] Because you use that phrase that knowledge is like money in the bank,
[14:37.520 -> 14:41.480] unless you invest it and do something with it, it actually doesn't count for a
[14:41.480 -> 14:45.560] great deal. So what have you done since you heard him tell you about that?
[14:45.560 -> 14:46.400] Simple stuff.
[14:46.400 -> 14:48.120] And that's the great thing about this.
[14:48.120 -> 14:52.520] So from sorting out my clothes I'm gonna wear,
[14:52.520 -> 14:54.760] because I think me and you are the same, right?
[14:54.760 -> 14:56.200] What we're gonna wear is almost the last thing
[14:56.200 -> 14:58.160] we ever think about, yeah?
[14:58.160 -> 14:59.280] And I would like be five minutes
[14:59.280 -> 15:00.760] before I've got to leave the house,
[15:00.760 -> 15:03.000] going, Harriet, I can't think of it, I've got no clothes,
[15:03.000 -> 15:08.440] I've got nothing to wear, my wardrobe's a disaster. And it just added stress into the day that was no good for anyone.
[15:08.440 -> 15:11.720] Now I'm like, Harriet, can I just have a chat with you? Tomorrow I'm doing this. Can we
[15:11.720 -> 15:16.280] just have two minutes? And she's like, yeah, she's amazing. Wear this, try this. Perfect.
[15:16.280 -> 15:20.240] Something like today we're interviewing like a really well-known sports person today. I
[15:20.240 -> 15:29.040] would be doing so many other urgent things in the build up to this. I'd forget the important thing, which is that these conversations need to be really bloody
[15:29.040 -> 15:31.000] fantastic, right?
[15:31.000 -> 15:33.120] And so I'd think about this for an hour or two beforehand.
[15:33.120 -> 15:39.120] Not now, it's like a week before I go through my diary and I put in three or four blocks.
[15:39.120 -> 15:41.760] So this conversation today has had three hours of thinking.
[15:41.760 -> 15:47.280] And in all honesty, previous conversations might have had still an hour and a half, but an hour and a half before we walk in the room.
[15:47.280 -> 15:50.280] Yeah. Yeah. Whereas this is now three hours in the week building up to it. And I can sort
[15:50.280 -> 15:54.600] of cogitate on it and stuff like that. And I suppose that, that leans into the second
[15:54.600 -> 15:59.320] clip I wanted to play, which I think makes it help. It's really helpful for people to
[15:59.320 -> 16:03.720] like, what's the takeaway from this? And the takeaway for me has been the line that he
[16:03.720 -> 16:05.460] used, you show me your diary and I'll tell you your priorities. That's the takeaway from this? And the takeaway for me has been the line that he used, you show me your diary and I'll
[16:05.460 -> 16:06.980] tell you your priorities.
[16:06.980 -> 16:07.980] That's the big one.
[16:07.980 -> 16:09.460] So should we hear him sort of explain it in more detail?
[16:09.460 -> 16:13.020] Yeah, this was a really powerful moment I thought.
[16:13.020 -> 16:17.220] If you have 10 blocks of time a day and you spread them over 10 projects, that's one block
[16:17.220 -> 16:19.540] of time a day per project.
[16:19.540 -> 16:21.500] You're not going to move very fast.
[16:21.500 -> 16:22.780] I mean, you're going to feel busy.
[16:22.780 -> 16:28.640] There's lots of switching costs associated with that, but you're not going to get anywhere. I think you need to narrow things down to
[16:28.640 -> 16:34.600] two or three priorities. These are my focus. And if building a relationship and maintaining
[16:34.600 -> 16:38.000] that relationship with my partner matters to me, I should be able to see that in your
[16:38.000 -> 16:42.840] calendar. So don't tell me your priorities, show me your calendar. What do I really care
[16:42.840 -> 16:46.600] about? What do I really want to accomplish? How do I allocate my time to those things?
[16:46.600 -> 16:48.480] So it's actually counterintuitive,
[16:48.480 -> 16:51.160] but doing less leads to doing more.
[16:53.280 -> 16:55.000] So that was also a big wake up call for me.
[16:55.000 -> 16:57.960] I thought if I was busy, then I was successful.
[16:57.960 -> 17:00.120] You know, like I'd fill my day, yes.
[17:00.120 -> 17:02.680] And this idea of you can do less and achieve more
[17:02.680 -> 17:04.640] was again a lot of total eye opener for me.
[17:04.640 -> 17:08.320] So I no longer now feel I have to, you know, when I showed him my diary, it was
[17:08.320 -> 17:10.320] like 14 things are happening the next day.
[17:10.320 -> 17:12.560] That for me previously was a really successful day.
[17:12.640 -> 17:14.720] Like tomorrow I've got a great day, 14 things happening.
[17:15.120 -> 17:16.920] Now it's like, what is wrong with me?
[17:17.000 -> 17:21.000] Why do I think I can do 14 things in a day and be a good dad and be a good husband
[17:21.000 -> 17:24.880] and be a good colleague and be creative and think about what's next and do those
[17:24.880 -> 17:29.440] 14 things well, by the way. Yeah. So my diary now has three or four things a day, nothing more.
[17:29.440 -> 17:33.360] The one thing I'd say there Jake is I catch you on like when you say what is wrong with you,
[17:33.360 -> 17:37.280] the answer is nothing's wrong with you. I think you were thinking the same that what Shane
[17:37.280 -> 17:43.440] explained is so many of us do that we're almost caught in the cult of, in the pursuit of busyness
[17:44.000 -> 17:45.200] that we pack in our days.
[17:45.200 -> 17:49.240] Why is Shane so popular? Because he's solving, like if this wasn't a problem that everyone had,
[17:49.240 -> 17:52.720] yeah yeah, nobody would buy Shane's books, read Shane's blogs, or care what Shane said,
[17:52.720 -> 17:57.280] like he's solving a problem that I think 90% of us are struggling with. Yeah,
[17:57.280 -> 18:01.040] and if there's anyone listening to this I'd really urge you, go onto the app,
[18:01.040 -> 18:25.920] go and download Shane's episode and I promise you it'll set you up for a fantastic, hopefully 2024 yn y ddysgwyr, yn y ddysgwyr, yna i gyd, mynd i'r ddysg, mynd i'r ddysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, a'r dysg, seminal interviews on TV with like you see David Frost sat down with Nelson Mandela and things
[18:25.920 -> 18:30.800] like that where you come away and think I've just met somebody where the world is a different place
[18:30.800 -> 18:36.720] because you existed in it and this it was a real game changer for me it was Dame Stephanie Shirley
[18:37.360 -> 18:46.720] because her own story that we've told numerous times on the podcast of coming over as a young girl
[18:43.920 -> 18:49.320] from as a refugee from World War Two,
[18:46.720 -> 18:51.760] developing a company of employing mainly
[18:49.320 -> 18:54.080] women, making early prototypes for black
[18:51.760 -> 18:55.720] boxes, falling off the Sunday Times
[18:54.080 -> 18:57.480] rich list because she's built
[18:55.720 -> 18:59.920] foundations for young people with
[18:57.480 -> 19:03.040] autism. Like the world is a different place
[18:59.920 -> 19:04.440] because she existed in it and I remember
[19:03.040 -> 19:06.960] coming home from the interview and
[19:04.440 -> 19:05.440] telling my own young
[19:05.440 -> 19:11.280] daughter that she's going to walk through doors that she will never know were locked and barred
[19:11.280 -> 19:16.560] from women entering them. And Dame Stephanie Shirley was somebody that kicked those doors down
[19:16.560 -> 19:21.680] for generations that followed after her. So to me, it was a real privilege to sit down with her.
[19:21.680 -> 19:29.180] And there's a couple of bits I wanted to highlight that really still linger with me and I think about on a regular basis.
[19:29.180 -> 19:33.820] The first one is this question that she asked herself. Let's listen to the way
[19:33.820 -> 19:36.580] she frames it.
[19:36.580 -> 19:48.720] My life was saved. Now I was very young, but what I remember strongly is well-meaning neighbours of my foster parents
[19:49.360 -> 19:55.680] saying to me, aren't you lucky to be saved? Aren't you lucky to be saved? And indeed I was.
[19:56.400 -> 20:06.280] It's left me with the feeling that I need to justify my own existence, and that's not a healthy feeling for a six-year-old but
[20:06.280 -> 20:12.320] it has driven me and is still there. I like, I don't fritter my days away, I like
[20:12.320 -> 20:16.880] to do something meaningful with my life, with my time, the time that I've got. I
[20:16.880 -> 20:23.280] think it all stems from that difficult early start.
[20:23.280 -> 20:26.220] Dames, Stephanie Shirley there from the start of this year. So a lot of people difficult early start.
[20:23.300 -> 20:28.820] Dave, Stephanie, Shirley there from the start
[20:26.220 -> 20:31.280] of this year. So a lot of people have
[20:28.820 -> 20:33.380] suffered a kind of trauma and we're all
[20:31.280 -> 20:36.140] too familiar with post-traumatic stress
[20:33.380 -> 20:38.540] trauma that people will often endure
[20:36.140 -> 20:40.540] after an event. But what we don't spend
[20:38.540 -> 20:43.220] as much time on is post-traumatic growth
[20:40.540 -> 20:45.860] of making sense of your history and
[20:43.220 -> 20:45.640] using it as a springboard to take those learnings into something else. And that's growth of making sense of your history
[20:43.120 -> 20:47.200] and using it as a springboard to take
[20:45.640 -> 20:49.280] those learnings into something else. And
[20:47.200 -> 20:51.040] that's a great example and a great
[20:49.280 -> 20:53.600] inspiration for any of us that are going
[20:51.040 -> 20:55.320] through tough times to realize that
[20:53.600 -> 20:56.960] there is some powerful learnings from
[20:55.320 -> 20:59.320] them. If we ask ourselves the right
[20:56.960 -> 21:01.440] question like her question of how can I
[20:59.320 -> 21:03.000] make my life worth saving, we can all
[21:01.440 -> 21:05.440] come up with our own equivalent to say
[21:03.000 -> 21:09.420] how do we do something based on this? Nice. Should we hear a bit more from her? Yeah.
[21:09.420 -> 21:17.280] Risk is not as risky as it might look. There are so many opportunities to
[21:17.280 -> 21:28.160] recover from poor decisions. You restrict yourself so much if you don't take any risks
[21:28.160 -> 21:30.560] and just stay within your comfort zone.
[21:30.560 -> 21:34.000] And if you want a full life, if you want a
[21:35.560 -> 21:37.440] meaningful life,
[21:37.440 -> 21:41.360] risk is probably a necessary ingredient.
[21:42.920 -> 21:44.280] I bloody love her.
[21:44.280 -> 21:45.440] Yeah, blimey.
[21:45.440 -> 21:47.440] Yeah, breathtaking, isn't it?
[21:47.440 -> 21:49.280] And that's one of the things that I think
[21:49.280 -> 21:52.160] the High Performance Foundation can do,
[21:52.160 -> 21:54.800] where we're getting these messages into schools,
[21:54.800 -> 21:56.640] because we sat there afterwards and went,
[21:56.640 -> 21:59.120] why weren't we taught about her when we were at school?
[21:59.120 -> 22:01.440] And the reality is that
[22:01.440 -> 22:04.720] the Foundation is taking the lessons of the giants
[22:04.720 -> 22:05.200] that have
[22:05.200 -> 22:10.120] lived amongst us and trying to teach the next generation of what she's telling
[22:10.120 -> 22:13.440] there, the greatest risk you can take is never actually taking a risk.
[22:13.440 -> 22:17.440] Toby – She's fantastic. Right, final guest that I wanted to draw people's attention to
[22:17.440 -> 22:22.020] is Seki Estama. As we talk, the leader of the opposition and I think the
[22:22.020 -> 22:27.060] reason why I really wanted to highlight this one again is that this is nothing to do with politics, it's nothing to do with
[22:27.060 -> 22:34.340] are you on or not on his side. It actually is the hallmark of high performance which
[22:34.340 -> 22:39.120] is just leaning to anyone and everyone. It was a wake-up call for all of us on the team
[22:39.120 -> 22:44.460] that as soon as you speak to a politician, like vitriol and aggression and hurt and sadness
[22:44.460 -> 22:46.400] and frustration gets hurled at you
[22:46.400 -> 22:50.960] purely for talking to someone who's a politician. And our response to everyone was, look, this is
[22:50.960 -> 22:56.800] not us talking to a politician, this is us talking to a person. And whether you're going to vote or
[22:56.800 -> 23:00.240] not vote for him, you need to be able to make that decision. And the only way you can make that
[23:00.240 -> 23:11.120] decision is understand the person that you're voting for. So that's really why we wanted to speak to Sakhir, just to get to know him as a person. And he got quite emotional in the
[23:11.120 -> 23:15.920] conversation, didn't he? And spoke about his father. Let's listen to him.
[23:18.640 -> 23:21.760] It's taken me much longer to work out my relationship with my dad,
[23:25.600 -> 23:26.320] to work out my relationship with my dad because he was by nature more distant.
[23:27.880 -> 23:28.920] It didn't feel close.
[23:35.640 -> 23:36.880] I don't regret very much in life, but the last time I saw my dad, he was in hospital.
[23:37.280 -> 23:39.800] Died.
[23:40.640 -> 23:43.320] And I walked away.
[23:44.480 -> 23:47.880] I knew he was going to die. Just knew it, and I didn't turn around to go
[23:47.880 -> 23:54.760] back and tell him what I thought and I should have done.
[23:54.960 -> 23:59.000] What would you have said to your dad?
[23:59.000 -> 24:07.500] I would have said I love you. I'd have also said I'm proud of you. I'd have tried to close
[24:07.500 -> 24:17.560] that gap that was so important to him in his life.
[24:17.560 -> 24:21.760] I think the reason why I wanted to play that clip from Sakhir Starmer is just to remind
[24:21.760 -> 24:28.640] people that you might be a politician, but you're also a human being and we are voting for human beings. They're human beings that are
[24:28.640 -> 24:35.240] deciding the future direction of our country and it's so rare for someone to
[24:35.240 -> 24:40.400] to be in his position and talk like that I think in a public space isn't it?
[24:40.400 -> 24:48.040] Yeah when sometimes you see people respond like that on telly, there's a cynical part of my brain wonders whether it's confected or
[24:48.040 -> 24:53.600] they're doing it for, to get a particular reaction but being in the room that day,
[24:53.600 -> 25:00.120] the emotion was palpable, you could see as he was telling the story that his lip
[25:00.120 -> 25:09.240] started to go and he was back in that hospital ward with his dad and there was something very genuine and very sincere about what he shared with us.
[25:09.240 -> 25:14.000] And the other clip I wanted to share is him talking about how he builds teams and
[25:14.000 -> 25:18.680] creates cultures because I get really frustrated with career politicians, you
[25:18.680 -> 25:22.760] know, people who've chosen politics to feather their own nest and forward their
[25:22.760 -> 25:25.000] own ambitions
[25:25.060 -> 25:26.780] in the world.
[25:26.780 -> 25:28.640] He's already done so much, you know,
[25:28.640 -> 25:33.040] being in charge of the CPS, being fully trained lawyer,
[25:33.040 -> 25:34.900] you know, all of the amazing things that he's done.
[25:34.900 -> 25:37.780] So when he spoke about how you create a culture,
[25:37.780 -> 25:40.980] how you make sure that everyone on the team is looked after,
[25:40.980 -> 25:42.940] as a business owner myself, my ears pricked up
[25:42.940 -> 25:44.180] and this is what he said.
[25:45.120 -> 25:49.680] The other thing I learned at the Crown Prosecution Service and it stayed with
[25:49.680 -> 25:54.520] me is if you really want to know how to fix the things in the organization that
[25:54.520 -> 25:59.680] aren't working, ask your staff and ask your junior staff. We had these hundred
[25:59.680 -> 26:03.720] or so offices across England and Wales and I'd visit each of them quite
[26:03.720 -> 26:08.480] regularly at least once a year I'd try to get to it once every other year so I'd do about 50 a year go out to these
[26:08.480 -> 26:15.120] offices and whatever the program was for the day the first thing I'd do is say can I just
[26:15.120 -> 26:21.080] have 20 minutes on my own with the most junior staff with no supervisors in the room and
[26:21.080 -> 26:28.220] it was so insightful and I asked them two questions routinely.
[26:28.220 -> 26:32.640] The first was, what's the biggest problem, challenge that you've got every day you do
[26:32.640 -> 26:35.700] your job and what's the work around?
[26:35.700 -> 26:42.760] And the second, equally instructive I thought was, when's the last time your manager said
[26:42.760 -> 26:50.000] thank you to you? And it was such an insight into how you manage people, how you lead people.
[26:50.000 -> 26:53.600] I think it's really good advice, you know.
[26:53.600 -> 26:56.200] Such a simple piece of advice that any of us can do, isn't it?
[26:56.200 -> 27:02.200] Just say thank you to the people that are there to help us, support us and guide us.
[27:02.200 -> 27:06.080] And I think as we come to the end of the year of high performance, I think simple is the
[27:06.080 -> 27:10.040] word that I'd love to draw upon actually. I think all too often people try and overcomplicate
[27:10.040 -> 27:15.200] what we're trying to do with high performance, but actually the truth is that this is just
[27:15.200 -> 27:19.360] simple stuff. You know, we're just asking people to focus on the small elements of their
[27:19.360 -> 27:25.480] lives, try and do those to the very best of their ability and trust that if they
[27:25.480 -> 27:30.160] just focus on doing the right thing then hopefully the right things will come
[27:30.160 -> 27:32.840] their way and great things will happen for them. That's all high
[27:32.840 -> 27:36.640] performance is, it's not about huge success, huge wealth, huge achievement.
[27:36.640 -> 27:40.520] It's the small things and I think the small things done right can take us to
[27:40.520 -> 27:45.520] great places. Yeah and I'd echo that, that's how the year has been for me working on theoedd da. Ie, a byddwn yn eich ymweld â hynny, dyna sut mae'r blwyddyn wedi bod i mi
[27:45.520 -> 27:47.280] yn gweithio ar y podcast High Performance.
[27:47.280 -> 27:48.400] Rwy'n credu ein bod ni wedi bod yn anhygoel
[27:48.400 -> 27:51.280] yn ymweld â llawer o bobl anhygoel,
[27:51.280 -> 27:51.840] anhygoel,
[27:52.400 -> 27:53.280] anhygoel,
[27:53.920 -> 27:55.360] sydd wedi bod yn ddiddorol gyda'r amser
[27:55.360 -> 27:56.240] a'r syniadau.
[27:56.240 -> 27:58.160] Ac mae'n hynod ddiddorol
[27:58.160 -> 27:58.960] yn y mhagor,
[27:58.960 -> 28:01.520] i gyd ymweld â'r blwyddyn
[28:01.520 -> 28:02.320] fel hwn, Jake.
[28:02.320 -> 28:03.040] Ac rwy'n credu
[28:03.040 -> 28:04.560] y mae'n fy ymwybod o hynny
[28:04.560 -> 28:11.760] ac rwy'n gobeithio i'r c of is and I hope for listeners, as you go into 2024, go into it focusing on the small steps, not on
[28:11.760 -> 28:18.160] the big leaps and that hopefully leads to a happy new year for everybody listening.
[28:18.160 -> 28:22.560] And as we sign off for 2023 I would ask you just to do one thing for us and it will take
[28:22.560 -> 28:25.520] a very short amount of time. Think of one person in your life
[28:25.520 -> 28:27.880] that doesn't currently listen to High Performance
[28:27.880 -> 28:30.320] and let them know that we're here for them.
[28:30.320 -> 28:32.980] Because in January, we have lined up
[28:32.980 -> 28:36.960] a bunch of incredible conversations with remarkable people.
[28:36.960 -> 28:40.720] And we have tried to create a January guest list
[28:40.720 -> 28:42.560] that is gonna set you on a great platform
[28:42.560 -> 28:44.000] for the whole of 2024.
[28:44.000 -> 28:48.880] So if ever there was a time to tell someone about this podcast, I sense that now is
[28:48.880 -> 28:52.280] that time. Definitely, you know, that could be the greatest gift that you
[28:52.280 -> 28:56.480] offer somebody to start the new year with. Tell them to get to the App Store,
[28:56.480 -> 29:00.840] type in high performance, and come and be part of our community where we lift,
[29:00.840 -> 29:08.880] inspire, and we hope help everybody to live a life of high performance on their own terms. And finally if 2023 has been a hard year for
[29:08.880 -> 29:13.680] you please remember everything passes and if 2023 has been an incredible year
[29:13.680 -> 29:17.160] for you also remember everything passes and you never know what's around the
[29:17.160 -> 29:21.000] corner so we just hope that whether you're feeling in a great place, in a
[29:21.000 -> 29:24.840] difficult place, that high performance is here for you no matter what and we look
[29:24.840 -> 29:29.600] forward to sharing the whole of 2024 with you as we go on another interesting 12-month
[29:29.600 -> 29:34.080] journey together. Thanks so much for the support this year, and from myself, from Damian, from the
[29:34.080 -> 29:56.800] whole team on High Performance, very best of luck, happy new year, and I hope 2024 is all you hope it it will be. Take care, thanks very much for listening and we'll see you soon.
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