5 Key Lessons From Within The England Camp

As we approach the last 16 of the World Cup, Jake and Damian jump into the rich archive of guests and bring out the key lessons learnt from the people who have featured in World Cup football including Gareth Southgate, Glenn Hoddle, Pippa Grange, Gary Lineker and Eric Dier.

Whatever happens over the next 2 weeks, we know that there will be judgements and opinions offered on why teams succeed or fail. 

Let’s hear from the people who provide fascinating insights into what really happens at the sharp end of the competition.

 Listen to the full episodes:

Gareth Southgate: https://pod.fo/e/d03b5

Glenn Hoddle: https://pod.fo/e/1249b3

Gary Lineker: https://pod.fo/e/12b34c

Pippa Grange: https://pod.fo/e/10bc10

Eric Dier: https://pod.fo/e/1027e4

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### Navigating the High-Stakes World of Football: Lessons from the Experts

As the 2022 World Cup approaches its final stages, Jake Humphrey and Professor Damian Hughes revisit key insights from past High Performance podcast episodes featuring prominent figures in the football world. These individuals, including Gareth Southgate, Glenn Hoddle, Gary Lineker, Pippa Grange, and Eric Dier, offer valuable perspectives on the pressures, challenges, and strategies that contribute to success in high-stakes competitions.

**1. Gareth Southgate: Authenticity and Adaptability**

Gareth Southgate, the current manager of the England national team, emphasizes the importance of authenticity and adaptability in leadership. He believes in being true to himself and finding different approaches to motivate and connect with players based on their individual needs. Southgate highlights the significance of creating a positive and supportive environment where players feel valued and empowered to perform at their best.

**2. Glenn Hoddle: Tactical Innovation and Embracing Change**

Glenn Hoddle, a former England manager and player, shares his experiences with tactical innovation and the challenges of implementing new strategies. He reflects on his time as England manager and discusses the importance of embracing change and adapting to the evolving landscape of football. Hoddle emphasizes the need for managers to be open to new ideas and to have a clear vision for the team's style of play.

**3. Gary Lineker: Dealing with Criticism and Maintaining Perspective**

Gary Lineker, a renowned former England striker, addresses the criticism and scrutiny that often accompany high-profile football matches. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining perspective and not letting external opinions affect one's performance. Lineker highlights the need for players to focus on their own abilities and to block out negative noise.

**4. Pippa Grange: Building a Harmonious and Supportive Team Culture**

Pippa Grange, the former Director of Football Governance at the Football Association (FA), discusses the significance of creating a harmonious and supportive team culture. She emphasizes the need for clear communication, establishing shared values, and fostering a sense of belonging among team members. Grange highlights the importance of psychological well-being and providing players with the necessary resources to thrive both on and off the pitch.

**5. Eric Dier: Embracing Pressure and Performing Under Stress**

Eric Dier, a Tottenham Hotspur and England defender, shares his insights on embracing pressure and performing under stressful situations. He talks about the importance of mental preparation, visualization techniques, and the ability to control one's emotions in high-pressure environments. Dier emphasizes the need for players to develop resilience and to learn from both successes and failures.

In conclusion, the High Performance podcast episodes featuring these football experts provide valuable lessons on leadership, adaptability, dealing with criticism, building a positive team culture, and embracing pressure. These insights can be applied not only in the world of football but also in various other high-stakes environments, helping individuals and teams to achieve peak performance and overcome challenges.

**Navigating the Complexities of High-Performance Teams: Lessons from World Cup Legends**

In this podcast episode, Jake Humphrey and Damian Hughes delve into the archives of their podcast to revisit key insights from prominent figures in World Cup football, including Gareth Southgate, Glenn Hoddle, Pippa Grange, Gary Lineker, and Eric Dier. These individuals offer valuable perspectives on the intricacies of high-performance teams and the factors that contribute to their success or failure.

**The Importance of Risk-Taking and Building Relationships:**

Former Arsenal player Aaron Ramsey emphasizes the significance of risk-taking and vulnerability in fostering strong relationships within elite teams. By exposing oneself to new experiences and stepping outside one's comfort zone, players can build trust and understanding among teammates, creating a cohesive unit.

**The Power of Storytelling and Shared Experiences:**

Eddie Howe, manager of Newcastle United, highlights the impact of storytelling in connecting team members and creating a sense of shared purpose. By sharing personal experiences and challenges, players can relate to one another on a deeper level, fostering empathy and understanding.

**Overcoming the Baggage of Past Failures:**

England international Eric Dier reflects on the pressure of taking a crucial penalty kick in the 2018 World Cup against Colombia. He emphasizes the importance of not carrying the burden of past failures and instead focusing on the present moment. Dier suggests that younger players, who have not experienced the same level of disappointment, may be less affected by this baggage.

**The Role of Coaches in Creating a Positive Environment:**

Gareth Southgate, manager of the England national team, discusses the impact of a positive team culture on performance. He emphasizes the need for coaches to create an environment where players feel supported, respected, and empowered to take risks. This approach can lead to greater resilience and adaptability in high-pressure situations.

**The Value of Learning from a Variety of Perspectives:**

The podcast highlights the importance of learning from a diverse range of perspectives, including players, coaches, and executives. By listening to these individuals, leaders can gain insights into the challenges and opportunities faced by high-performance teams and apply these lessons to their own organizations.

**Conclusion:**

The podcast episode provides valuable insights into the complexities of high-performance teams and the factors that contribute to their success. By exploring the experiences and perspectives of World Cup legends, the discussion offers practical lessons that can be applied to a variety of organizational contexts, helping leaders create high-performing teams that thrive in challenging environments.

[00:00.000 -> 00:04.960] Hi there, I'm Jay Comfrey and you're listening to High Performance, the podcast that reminds you
[00:04.960 -> 00:10.160] that it's within. Once more I want you to allow myself and Professor Damian Hughes to speak to
[00:10.160 -> 00:13.920] some of the greatest people on the planet so they can be your teacher. But this is a slightly
[00:13.920 -> 00:17.920] different episode to normal because we're now at the last 16 stage of the World Cup. Now you have
[00:17.920 -> 00:24.080] to remember 206 national teams did their best to qualify for Qatar and that means that by the time
[00:24.080 -> 00:28.680] we have a winner, 205 other teams are considered to be losers or considered
[00:28.680 -> 00:31.200] not good enough or there's question marks over the players or the managers
[00:31.200 -> 00:34.840] but if there's one thing that we've learned on this podcast over the past
[00:34.840 -> 00:39.680] few years it's that you need to park your opinions. Calling people losers
[00:39.680 -> 00:43.440] questioning people's integrity or their effort or their ability or their hard
[00:43.440 -> 00:45.160] work or their determination
[00:45.160 -> 00:49.200] is a waste of your time and a waste of your energy. Instead we just say
[00:49.200 -> 00:52.600] have some empathy, build your understanding. Success,
[00:52.600 -> 00:57.000] however we choose to define it, is often an ecosystem, a complex set of all sorts
[00:57.000 -> 00:57.880] of different factors
[00:57.880 -> 01:01.240] that weaken or strengthen the culture that eventually delivers high
[01:01.240 -> 01:04.640] performance. There's rarely one single factor or one single person
[01:04.640 -> 01:05.800] that can determine it.
[01:06.120 -> 01:08.640] And whatever happens over the next few days as the competition
[01:08.640 -> 01:11.200] comes to an end, we all know, of course, there'll be judgments,
[01:11.200 -> 01:14.120] there'll be opinions, there'll be people saying all kinds of
[01:14.120 -> 01:17.080] crazy things simply for the clicks, simply for the likes,
[01:17.120 -> 01:20.440] simply for their own profile, or because it fits what people
[01:20.440 -> 01:21.160] expect of them.
[01:21.240 -> 01:23.280] And it normally centres on looking for a scapegoat, right?
[01:23.280 -> 01:24.200] Manager was no good.
[01:24.320 -> 01:26.200] Players were pampered, tactics were rigid,
[01:26.200 -> 01:28.560] lack of team spirit and mentalities wrong.
[01:28.560 -> 01:30.160] But we've been lucky enough on this podcast
[01:30.160 -> 01:31.840] to speak with so many people
[01:31.840 -> 01:33.560] who've actually been in the same place
[01:33.560 -> 01:35.480] as those players and those managers
[01:35.480 -> 01:36.960] who are right in the heart of it,
[01:36.960 -> 01:38.440] who are actually in the thick of the action
[01:38.440 -> 01:39.760] over the next few weeks.
[01:39.760 -> 01:42.560] And they've offered us some fascinating insights.
[01:42.560 -> 01:43.800] So what we thought we would do
[01:43.800 -> 01:47.120] is that we would look back on five episodes over the course of high
[01:47.120 -> 01:51.760] performance that relate directly to what's happening right now out in Qatar.
[01:51.760 -> 01:56.720] With me as always is Professor Damien Hughes. Damien, what would you like to add
[01:56.720 -> 01:59.160] to that kind of short monologue at the top there?
[01:59.160 -> 02:04.240] Damien Hughes Well I think what you've said Jake is perfect. I think the idea of empathy over
[02:04.240 -> 02:07.000] opinion becomes ever more important at this moment in time that there can only Iawn, rwy'n credu y bydd yr hyn rydych chi wedi'i ddweud, Jake, yn perffaith. Rwy'n credu bod y syniad o ymdrech drwy ystyried yn mwy bwysig ar hyn o bryd
[02:07.000 -> 02:15.000] y bydd yna unig ddewis o'r Cwp Byd, ond dyna ddim yn golygu bod pawb eraill ar gael ar gael ar y pwynt.
[02:15.000 -> 02:22.000] Rwy'n credu bod cyfansodd yn digwydd ar y pwynt o bob un o'r rhan fwyaf, ac rwy'n credu, wrth ddeall y pwysau bywydol y mae pobl yn gweithio
[02:22.000 -> 02:26.080] ar y cyfraniadau sy'n cael eu seilio arnynt, y gweithgaredd o gogor, ac rydyn ni'n dod at hynny o lefel o ymdrech a deall. the sheer pressures that people are operating under, the demands that are being placed on them, the weight of expectation.
[02:26.080 -> 02:29.360] And we come at that from a place of empathy and understanding.
[02:29.360 -> 02:37.520] I think we can start to appreciate just how lucky we are to be able to watch high performers operating under pressure.
[02:37.520 -> 02:46.840] So, I think the episodes we've got give us some real great insights into what's going on in the minds and in the camps of each of those teams
[02:46.840 -> 02:48.040] that we're about to watch.
[02:48.040 -> 02:50.280] Okay, well, let's start then with the England manager,
[02:50.280 -> 02:53.520] Gareth Southgate, the man who told us that this podcast
[02:53.520 -> 02:55.000] got him through lockdown.
[02:55.000 -> 02:56.760] He joined us, he shared so much.
[02:56.760 -> 03:00.120] This is a small clip from our conversation with Gareth.
[03:01.920 -> 03:05.520] Kevin had been a different type of leader, more emotional.
[03:11.700 -> 03:11.820] Sven was very calm and I think that helped people like Steven Gerrard,
[03:17.700 -> 03:18.340] David Beckham, certainly in the initial stages with England that a lot of the
[03:23.940 -> 03:25.160] noise, the hullabaloo around England was calmer, we're just focusing on performance, it's not all about banging
[03:25.160 -> 03:27.480] the drum and we're going to win and we're going to do this.
[03:28.120 -> 03:32.440] So, he created that environment and therefore, why is he going to be
[03:32.440 -> 03:34.760] different at half time in a game?
[03:34.760 -> 03:38.600] He was, that's how he was and he worked in that way.
[03:39.280 -> 03:44.000] So, I've got, you know, what I know is I've got to be authentic to myself.
[03:44.000 -> 03:44.200] Yeah.
[03:44.000 -> 03:51.000] So I've got, you know, what I know is I've got to be authentic to myself. I think in being authentic to myself, I think there are different approaches you use at
[03:51.000 -> 03:52.000] different times.
[03:52.000 -> 03:54.200] You know, there are rare occasions.
[03:54.200 -> 04:01.200] I think it's rare because I don't think people respond to raised voices as much or aggressive
[04:01.200 -> 04:05.000] challenge, but there are moments where that has to happen, I think, in the dressing room.
[04:09.560 -> 04:09.960] You might need a response of energy and you've got to shake people out of the
[04:11.560 -> 04:12.640] psychological state they're in.
[04:14.640 -> 04:14.800] But you've done that for a reason.
[04:19.480 -> 04:22.520] It's not that you've lost the plot at halftime and you're going in with a purpose and you know what reaction you're trying to get.
[04:23.240 -> 04:28.920] So, I think you've got to have different approaches with
[04:28.920 -> 04:33.160] different players at different times and find out what they
[04:33.160 -> 04:37.520] respond to and how can we get the best out of individuals.
[04:39.720 -> 04:42.240] It's so interesting that, Damien, because that is really
[04:43.000 -> 04:47.640] Gareth talking about the courage, I guess, the courage to be yourself regardless of the situation that comes
[04:47.640 -> 04:50.840] your way and you know this is a guy who's taken us to the semi-final of the
[04:50.840 -> 04:54.840] last World Cup the final of the Euros and only beaten on penalties yet still
[04:54.840 -> 04:59.360] the criticism still the accusation still the doubts still the question marks and
[04:59.360 -> 05:03.280] like I'm really sort of proud of the fact that actually among all of that
[05:03.280 -> 05:06.480] Gareth does exactly as he's told us there.
[05:06.480 -> 05:11.000] You know, since that conversation, he's gone on to make a final of the Euros and he's now at the World Cup.
[05:11.000 -> 05:17.280] Nothing's changed. He still remains himself, being true to his job, doing it his way,
[05:17.280 -> 05:20.440] doing it with the way that he believes is the right way to manage England,
[05:20.440 -> 05:23.680] rather than kind of blowing with the wind, being affected by the media.
[05:23.680 -> 05:26.000] Have you known him to create a media storm in his time as the England manager and do something, yn ymwneud â'r Llyfrgell, yn hytrach na'i ffwrddio gyda'r ffyrdd, yn cael ei effeithio gan y cymdeithasau. A oes gennych chi gwybod iddo gynnal ffyrdd cymdeithasol
[05:26.000 -> 05:28.000] yn ei amser yn y Llyfrgell a gwneud rhywbeth
[05:28.000 -> 06:06.960] ddiddorol a ddiddorol ac yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unig yn unigwn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i mewn i Mae'n amlwg bod ddau gwelliant yn dod yn ôl. Un oedd yw'r cyfathrebu, fod yn glir iawn am yr hyn rydych chi'n ei ddweud,
[06:06.960 -> 06:08.960] ac yna'r ddaudd, yw'r cyfathrebu,
[06:08.960 -> 06:11.520] yn ddefnyddio'r standardau hynny ar draws y bwrd.
[06:11.520 -> 06:13.520] Ac rwy'n credu bod Gareth yn gyfrif texbwyl
[06:13.520 -> 06:16.720] o rywun sy'n glir iawn am y llwyddyn ddiogel iddo fo.
[06:16.720 -> 06:19.520] Ac yna, mae'n y llwyddyn ddiogel hwnnw
[06:19.520 -> 06:20.480] yn pob sefyllfa,
[06:20.480 -> 06:23.360] oherwydd yw'n y ffinalau o'r Campionau Aeolaid Ewropeaidd,
[06:23.360 -> 06:29.000] neu os yw'n ymyllfa, oherwydd ei fod yn yr UŵY finalau neu yw'r cyfarfodydd gyda ni yng Nghaergyrch,
[06:29.000 -> 06:31.000] rwy'n credu ei fod yn unigol o'n cydweithredol.
[06:31.000 -> 06:35.000] Ac rwy'n credu y byddai'n hyrwyddo pobl, ar y ddŵr o'r Cymru hwn,
[06:35.000 -> 06:38.000] o'ch chi'n cofio pan gaelon ni'r gwaith yn 2006,
[06:38.000 -> 06:41.000] a'r bobl yna yn cyfrifol at Ffengor a'r Eiricsson am sefyll ar y ben,
[06:41.000 -> 06:45.280] ac nid yn ymdrech i'w ddemonst ymdrechol yn ystod y chwaraewyr.
[06:48.960 -> 06:52.480] Ond dyna oedd yr unig ffynonau y byddai pobl wedi'u lloi arno yn y rhandiau ymdrechol a'r blynyddoedd cynnydd.
[06:52.480 -> 07:08.920] Felly byddwn yn gofyn i bobl ddewis Gareth drwy'r ddwy lenwyr yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw yw and view him as a leader through that lens rather than just whether we want him to be ranting and raving on a touchline and behaving in a way that's
[07:08.920 -> 07:14.480] completely incongruent to him. And also I think that, I think in some, sometimes
[07:14.480 -> 07:20.280] we judge Gareth Southgate by out-of-date criteria or out-of-date opinions. You
[07:20.280 -> 07:27.600] know, you can always, you can always and people always will, question a selection, question a tactic, question an
[07:27.600 -> 07:34.160] approach. I think the key with him is he's not panicked, he's not rattled, there's no
[07:34.160 -> 07:38.280] knee-jerk reactions, he never comes out and criticises the players and then backtracks
[07:38.280 -> 07:43.080] and apologises or does something like that. And there's no doubt about it, is there, that
[07:43.080 -> 07:45.100] if you act like that, then it transmits
[07:45.100 -> 07:48.720] to the players. If you're calm under pressure, the players will be calm under pressure. If
[07:48.720 -> 07:52.860] you're able to carry the weight of the nation, then the players are able to carry the weight
[07:52.860 -> 07:57.880] of the nation. If, you know, players are getting criticised and you stand alongside them, it
[07:57.880 -> 08:03.160] helps them to cope with that criticism. And I think that it's clear he is so meticulous
[08:03.160 -> 08:07.120] in his planning. And I think that it's more
[08:07.120 -> 08:09.460] than just football for him though isn't it? It's a bit like when we spoke with
[08:09.460 -> 08:12.760] Eddie Howe and it was all about developing the human being. I think that
[08:12.760 -> 08:16.760] for Gareth he understands that he is managing a group of people not a group
[08:16.760 -> 08:20.840] of players. Yeah definitely I think one of the things that is worth again people
[08:20.840 -> 08:28.000] remembering is that he told us that his most important selection in his Yn ystod y gynlluniau, mae'n dweud bod ei gysylltiad pwysig yng nghanol y sgwrd yw'r gofyn ar gyfer y trwyddiadau.
[08:28.000 -> 08:34.000] Mae'n ddifrifol i gael y gynllun ar y ffyrdd, yn ystod y torfiad, yn ystod y dylunio.
[08:34.000 -> 08:49.840] Ond mae'n ddifrifol i fod ar y ffyrdd ym mhob dydd, ar y gynllun ymchwil, ar y pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gynlluniau a'r pen draw, ar y gwasanaethau extra gyda'r strikerion sy'n ei ysgrifennu. Felly mae Gareth yn dweud yna, mae eisiau ynghylch pob chwaraewr,
[08:49.840 -> 08:56.320] nid dim ond y enwion star sy'n gobeithio ei gyrraedd Cymru i'r ffinal a'r ddwyraeth.
[08:56.320 -> 09:01.440] Mae eisiau pob un o'r rhan yma o'r sgwrd a'i weld fel person,
[09:01.440 -> 09:03.120] nid dim ond yr hyn y gallant ei wneud arno.
[09:03.120 -> 09:08.500] Ac rwy'n credu bod hynny'n siarad o fathau i'w gilydd a'r diwygiad sy'n cael ei greu yn y tîm Cymru hon. seeing them as a person and not just what they can do for him and I think that speaks volumes for him and the culture that is created in this England team.
[09:08.500 -> 09:18.000] Yeah and you know what, obviously I get to speak to quite a few of his players and you will struggle to find someone with a critical word for the way that he manages England.
[09:18.000 -> 09:30.240] Who else should we hear from on this special episode of High Performance. Damien, who do you fancy next? Well, I think that when one of the great criticisms that often gets bandied around whenever the
[09:30.240 -> 09:35.440] England team sort of fail in a tournament is that the players don't care enough. And
[09:35.440 -> 09:40.600] I think that our conversation that we had with Gary Lineker was a great answer to that
[09:40.600 -> 09:47.000] criticism when he spoke to us around his experiences in 1990 in particular.
[09:49.800 -> 09:54.000] If you could go back to it one moment in time, what would it be and why?
[09:54.000 -> 10:02.000] 1990, World Cup semi-final, probably not the penalty shootout, but probably Chris Waddle's shot
[10:02.000 -> 10:05.760] when he goes across the goal, hits the inside of the post.
[10:05.760 -> 10:08.680] See, now I know which way it will come out.
[10:08.680 -> 10:12.600] So I would have moved myself a couple of yards to the side
[10:12.600 -> 10:14.620] and knocked it in and win one, two, one.
[10:14.620 -> 10:17.840] And that's the only football match in my whole career
[10:17.840 -> 10:19.900] where I look back and think, if only.
[10:19.900 -> 10:21.400] I know there's the Brazil penalty thing,
[10:21.400 -> 10:24.240] but that's just a personal goal.
[10:24.240 -> 10:29.520] But being that close to a World Cup final, to lose on a penalty shootout or to be a whisker
[10:29.520 -> 10:33.120] of the wrong side of the post when it hit Chris Waddle's ball came back out.
[10:34.160 -> 10:36.400] And I honestly believe we'd have won the final.
[10:36.400 -> 10:42.000] Obviously, I don't know that, but they weren't the same Argentinian side that we'd played four years
[10:42.000 -> 10:48.080] previously and that would have meant we were 90 minutes away from football immortality.
[10:48.240 -> 10:49.640] And that's the only thing.
[10:49.640 -> 10:50.920] And Bobby Ross was exactly the same.
[10:50.920 -> 10:52.160] I had the conversation with him.
[10:52.740 -> 10:54.560] It was the only thing that he ever used to think.
[10:54.560 -> 10:55.880] Not every day.
[10:55.880 -> 10:58.360] I don't think about it all the time, honest.
[11:00.540 -> 11:08.500] So the next time someone says that footballers don't care, let's remind them that 32 years on from that moment, it still hurts for Gary.
[11:08.500 -> 11:15.400] And it's one of the things that people love to throw the way of any elite athlete when things aren't going the way, oh, do they care enough?
[11:15.400 -> 11:19.300] Have they got the fire? Have they got the desire? I wonder what that's all about, Damien.
[11:19.300 -> 11:26.000] I think what we're often looking for is, oh, it, oedd yn trope'n haws, a'r cyflogau'n haws.
[11:26.000 -> 11:32.000] Ac rwy'n credu bod hynny'n rhywbeth y byddwch chi'n gweld y chwaraewyr hwnnw yn dod o'r ffyrdd.
[11:32.000 -> 11:40.000] Efallai y maen nhw'n masgu'r emociau, mae'r ddysgwyr o'r ddiddorol yn rhywbeth y gallent ddod o'r ffyrdd gyda'r bobl yng nghanol eu cyfnodau.
[11:40.000 -> 11:48.000] Felly efallai y gwelwch nhw'n dod o'r fffyrdd, edrych yn ffwrddus, ac oherwydd dydyn ni ddim yn gweld ein emociau ein hunain yn ymwneud â'u gwneud yn ôl,
[11:48.000 -> 11:52.000] rydyn ni'n meddwl nad ydyn nhw'n meddwl o lawer.
[11:52.000 -> 11:56.000] Dyma oedd y cwestiwn fawr, Jake, a ddysgud ym mis Mhrydfa,
[11:56.000 -> 11:58.000] pan roeddwn i'n gweithio mewn Liga Rugby ar y pryd,
[11:58.000 -> 12:01.000] a'n dod yn ôl ar y coach o'r tîm,
[12:01.000 -> 12:03.000] ar ôl y gallu gêl yn benodol.
[12:03.000 -> 12:08.000] Roedd y coach cyfranogiol yn ystod yud â'r cynghorau a oedd yn rhoi arnyn nhw i mi,
[12:08.000 -> 12:11.000] oherwydd roedd y chwaraewyr yn y chwaraeon yn y chwaraeon yn gwrthi a'n gwneud fwriadau,
[12:11.000 -> 12:15.000] ond roedd y rhai o ni yn y staff cymdeithasol yn ystod y cyfrin.
[12:15.000 -> 12:20.000] Roeddwn i'n teimlo'n ffyrdd nad oeddent yn teimlo eu clywed fel y gwneud.
[12:20.000 -> 12:23.000] Roedd fy ffrind Tony Smith, coach ar y pryd, yn dweud i mi,
[12:23.000 -> 12:25.400] mae'n masgu'r coach, bydd eu golygu yn dod allan yn ffyrdd gwahanol. And it was my friend, Tony Smith, our head coach at the time, that said to me, they do, they're just masking it.
[12:25.400 -> 12:27.680] Their grief will come out in a different way.
[12:27.680 -> 12:30.600] So I'd encourage people not to necessarily measure
[12:30.600 -> 12:33.560] how people feel by their external reactions.
[12:33.560 -> 12:35.640] And I'd certainly say that anybody that's here
[12:35.640 -> 12:38.480] in the World Cup cares deeply about it,
[12:38.480 -> 12:40.900] whether you can see it or not.
[12:40.900 -> 12:42.520] I think you only have to look at the evidence
[12:42.520 -> 12:43.400] in front of you, right?
[12:43.400 -> 12:48.200] Not only are they professionals that do this for a living, but also almost every single
[12:48.200 -> 12:51.800] player from probably the age of six has dedicated their lives, their family have
[12:51.800 -> 12:54.920] dedicated their lives. We've spoken to so many people whose mums and dads have
[12:54.920 -> 12:58.000] driven them around every single weekend to get them to training, to get them to
[12:58.000 -> 13:02.560] that moment and they will have so much riding on this personally. I think, you
[13:02.560 -> 13:06.600] know, if you listen to this and you're out with your mates and they go that player doesn't care I think just
[13:06.600 -> 13:10.320] I say to them what makes you think why why would that play that care about
[13:10.320 -> 13:14.080] being as brilliant as he can be or she can be but I think you're absolutely
[13:14.080 -> 13:18.760] right you know they don't it's not easy to show how you truly feel when you're
[13:18.760 -> 13:21.280] on the world stage and you know there's thousands of people watching and then
[13:21.280 -> 13:25.400] millions more watching at home you know you almost you almost feel I think that you have to put on a bit of a front at times don't you yeah I remember years ago o bobl sy'n gwylio ac yna miliwn o bobl sy'n gwylio y tu hwnnw. Rydych chi'n teimlo, rwy'n credu,
[13:25.400 -> 13:27.520] y byddwch chi'n rhaid i chi roi ychydig o ffranc ar y tro, dwi'n teimlo,
[13:27.520 -> 13:30.320] Rwy'n cofio, ym misoedd, yn ymwneud â Martin Johnson,
[13:30.320 -> 13:32.880] y Llyfrgellu Cymru, a byddai'n captain union,
[13:32.880 -> 13:34.280] yn siarad am hyn,
[13:34.280 -> 13:37.280] pan oedd y chwaraewyr Cymru yn ymwneud ag i fynd ar y ffwrdd,
[13:37.280 -> 13:39.480] mae'n cofio rhywun yn dod i'w gilydd
[13:39.480 -> 13:41.960] a'i lambastio yn y bar o unrhyw le
[13:41.960 -> 13:42.800] a'i dweud i'w gilydd,
[13:42.800 -> 13:49.000] Rydw i wedi ymgyrchu ar y glas gredd i chwarae ar Ing glass to play for England and Martin Johnson said to him, I have crawled over broken glass
[13:49.000 -> 13:53.560] to play for England, you just say you would. And the point he's making is that
[13:53.560 -> 13:58.440] exactly your point that if anybody's here at this stage of a sharp end of a
[13:58.440 -> 14:04.160] tournament, they've gone the extra mile several times, their passion can't be
[14:04.160 -> 14:06.640] questioned, their desire to get there
[14:06.640 -> 14:11.840] isn't something that's up for debate, whether you can see that or not. And again, I'd really
[14:11.840 -> 14:17.680] encourage it if we have empathy rather than opinion, I think we'll start to appreciate
[14:17.680 -> 14:19.760] the latter end of this tournament so much more.
[14:21.120 -> 14:26.320] Right, let's hear from someone else. Here's Glenn Hoddle talking about tactics in the
[14:26.320 -> 14:27.320] late 90s.
[14:27.320 -> 14:34.360] I had some great players to work with. We were going places, believe me. We were playing
[14:34.360 -> 14:38.400] some beautiful football, great football, playing three at the bank, a bit different to what
[14:38.400 -> 14:49.320] the norm was at the time. Looking back now, would you say 38 and the situation for the England job, off the pitch,
[14:49.320 -> 14:53.240] dealing with the press, dealing with the media, dealing with blah, blah, blah, probably yeah,
[14:53.240 -> 14:57.120] I'd deal with that much easier now, without a shadow of a doubt.
[14:57.120 -> 15:00.200] But was I too young to take that job at 38?
[15:00.200 -> 15:07.000] If I'd have come out with a, didn't qualify for the World Cup, come out with a, I don't
[15:07.000 -> 15:11.560] know, 25% win percentage, whatever it may be, I think, yeah, actually, Glenn, you were
[15:11.560 -> 15:17.040] too young. But I don't think I was, if I'm honest. And I think a lot of the way we were
[15:17.040 -> 15:21.600] playing, the way we were going on, I think that's the frustration of the job, losing
[15:21.600 -> 15:25.740] the job when I lost the job. It was where we could
[15:25.740 -> 15:29.540] have took it, where we could have took it. And the exciting thing for me was always about
[15:29.540 -> 15:36.280] Rio, funny enough. Rio Ferdinand was a wonderful, wonderful centre-back. He was a Rolls Royce
[15:36.280 -> 15:43.680] of a centre-back, but believe me, he never had the opportunity to play in a back three.
[15:43.680 -> 15:45.960] And I'd have had him playing in a back three which would have
[15:45.960 -> 15:49.680] took him to another level and would have took England to another level because he would
[15:49.680 -> 15:53.420] have been coming out a bit like the Germans play their sweeper. I'd have had him coming
[15:53.420 -> 15:57.600] out on the ball, even off the ball, because I knew he could cope going into midfield making
[15:57.600 -> 16:02.560] a spare man and then we would do... So there was... That's just one example where I felt
[16:02.560 -> 16:10.940] we were going with a crop of experienced players and a crop of young, exciting players as Rio, Michael Owen, David Beckham and Paul
[16:10.940 -> 16:16.760] Scholes. As long as also still having your Shearers and your Adams and your Inces and
[16:16.760 -> 16:22.960] your Sherinums, the experience was still there. And you know what, any manager at Worthy Salt
[16:22.960 -> 16:25.500] will always say that's the template, that's
[16:25.500 -> 16:28.920] the formula, the balance that you want.
[16:28.920 -> 16:32.680] Experience with talent, young talent.
[16:32.680 -> 16:39.040] Look, Damien, we know the reasons behind Glenn leaving the England job when he did.
[16:39.040 -> 16:42.280] And you know, on that podcast, if people are willing to listen to it, you know, we discuss
[16:42.280 -> 16:43.280] it.
[16:43.280 -> 16:50.440] And he shares his reflections of that, you know, many years later. He was only 38 right when he got the England job.
[16:50.440 -> 16:54.740] I think it's just worth talking about this just briefly because there is something for
[16:54.740 -> 16:59.640] people listening to this podcast to learn from being able to let stuff go. Like here
[16:59.640 -> 17:04.040] we are all these years later and Glenn still feels like he could have done something amazing
[17:04.040 -> 17:09.360] as the England manager and the players that I work with now who played under him all believe
[17:09.360 -> 17:14.500] exactly the same thing. What is the skill for us to not let ourselves get twisted up
[17:14.500 -> 17:19.740] with things we can't control like the situation that Glenn is in? It's come, it's gone, an
[17:19.740 -> 17:22.340] opportunity for him has been missed. How do we move on?
[17:22.340 -> 17:25.200] I'd go back to our mantra of what high performance is, doing the best you can where you are in for him has been missed. How do we move on?
[17:22.080 -> 17:27.280] I'd go back to our mantra
[17:25.200 -> 17:28.880] of what high performance is, doing the
[17:27.280 -> 17:31.280] best you can where you are in the moment
[17:28.880 -> 17:33.040] you're in. So I think once you can
[17:31.280 -> 17:35.640] answer that question honestly, have I
[17:33.040 -> 17:37.720] done the best I can? If the answer's yes,
[17:35.640 -> 17:39.760] with the knowledge I had at that
[17:37.720 -> 17:41.240] moment in time, in that moment, I think
[17:39.760 -> 17:44.080] then you have to be able to take the
[17:41.240 -> 17:45.800] learnings from it and be able to then
[17:44.080 -> 17:48.040] say what would I do next time if that situation would occur or what can I take
[17:48.040 -> 17:52.360] away from that, that I can pass on to the next generation or that I can apply to
[17:52.360 -> 17:58.600] different areas of my life. I think there's often two things that so many of
[17:58.600 -> 18:02.920] our guests have spoken about and one of them is the danger of regret going over
[18:02.920 -> 18:05.760] the of what could have been or how futile it is and how it can churn them un ohonyn nhw yw'r bobl sy'n ymwneud â'r amlwg o'r amlwg o'r hyn sy'n gallu bod,
[18:05.760 -> 18:08.480] neu sut mae'n ddiddorol ac sut y gallwn ni'n ei ddweud.
[18:08.480 -> 18:11.280] Ac rwy'n credu bod, unwaith y gallwch chi wneud y math o analysi,
[18:11.280 -> 18:14.960] wneud y math o ddiddorol, sefydlu'n eich hun,
[18:14.960 -> 18:18.800] mae'n rhaid i chi fod yn gallu parcio'r pethau y gallwch chi ddim eu newid
[18:18.800 -> 18:21.840] a chyflwyno'r pethau y gallwch chi.
[18:21.840 -> 18:23.680] Ac rwy'n credu, yn y cas Glen,
[18:23.680 -> 18:25.760] rwy'n credu yr hyn sy'n ei ofyn i ni hefyd, Jake,
[18:25.760 -> 18:31.440] yw cyfrifoldeb arall i'r cyfrifoldeb a fydd yn dod yn ymwneud â'r un o'r
[18:31.440 -> 18:35.280] pêlwyr sy'n ddod yn y torfiad hwn yn y cyfrifoldeb o'u tactegau.
[18:36.000 -> 18:41.280] Ac rwy'n credu ei fod yn gyffredin fawr o'r sylwad y bydd y bobl rydyn ni'n cyfrifoldeb
[18:41.280 -> 18:46.080] wedi astudio, wedi mynd i mewn iwn y niferoedd o'u disgybliaeth,
[18:46.080 -> 18:51.280] dros ddegawdau, i gael y gweithleid hwnnw. Ac eto, rwy'n credu ei bod yn
[18:51.280 -> 18:55.760] gynllun ddymor, rhaid i ni fod yn gwych o ddangos bod y bobl hyn ddim yn gweithleid a
[18:55.760 -> 19:00.880] ddim yn deall y niferoedd o ffotbol. Glenn yw un o'r cyngor gwych o
[19:00.880 -> 19:05.380] dynol sy'n meddwl yn ymdrech i'r ffyrdd, a dwi'n credu ei fod yn ddiddorol i great example of a guy that was thinking so far forward that I think it would be
[19:05.380 -> 19:10.020] ridiculous to suggest that he's somebody that didn't understand the nature of it.
[19:10.020 -> 19:14.740] I think a really interesting thought as well is that if you're going to live a
[19:14.740 -> 19:19.100] life, an exciting, interesting, fulfilling life, you are going to have these moments.
[19:19.100 -> 19:21.660] They might not be, oh I could have done it as the England manager and I'm
[19:21.660 -> 19:28.820] disappointed that I've missed the opportunity But all of us will live with a sense of regret a sense of disappointment a sense of what if?
[19:29.240 -> 19:31.160] So I think it informs us on two levels
[19:31.160 -> 19:35.920] The first one is you need to almost expect that's going to happen at some point, right?
[19:35.920 -> 19:41.800] If you can expect it, I think it makes it easier to accept it because there's no point rallying against what could have been
[19:41.800 -> 19:46.200] I think that's the first thing. I think the second thing is it should inform the decisions that we make. It
[19:46.200 -> 19:50.640] should inform, you know, as we were told recently on a podcast episode that
[19:50.640 -> 19:54.680] hasn't yet been released, live like you're gonna die tomorrow, learn like
[19:54.680 -> 19:57.560] you're gonna live forever. You know, you've got to grasp these opportunities,
[19:57.560 -> 20:00.800] you've got to give it your everything, you've got to just see, just see what
[20:00.800 -> 20:04.360] might happen if you gave it your all. You still might think, oh what a missed
[20:04.360 -> 20:06.000] opportunity, but it won't be as much because what you don't want to do is Just see what might happen if you gave it your all. You still might think, oh, what a missed opportunity.
[20:06.000 -> 20:07.900] But it won't be as much.
[20:07.900 -> 20:10.300] Because what you don't want to do is sort of end your days
[20:10.300 -> 20:13.900] with all of these thoughts in your head of why didn't I do that stuff I really wanted to do?
[20:13.900 -> 20:15.600] Why didn't I take the opportunity?
[20:15.600 -> 20:16.900] You know, I had a great quote once.
[20:16.900 -> 20:17.800] It was Denzel Washington.
[20:17.800 -> 20:20.400] He was talking to students at a university in America and he said,
[20:20.400 -> 20:22.700] what you don't want to do is get to the end of your days
[20:22.700 -> 20:28.400] and at the end of your bed is littered with ghosts of missed opportunity and the ghosts are saying why didn't you take this chance?
[20:28.400 -> 20:32.200] On me I believed in you. Why didn't you grab hold of my opportunity?
[20:32.200 -> 20:33.840] You had everything you needed to do it
[20:33.840 -> 20:35.680] and I think that idea of
[20:35.680 -> 20:40.440] Ghosts of missed opportunities is not something that we all want to be haunted by right when we get to the end of our lives
[20:40.440 -> 20:42.000] and so I think
[20:42.000 -> 20:45.920] Accept and expect that you're going to be disappointed in life, but take all those opportunities that come your way, right? o'n bywydau ac felly rwy'n meddwl y byddwch chi'n cael ymddygiad yn bywydau ond cymryd yr holl
[20:45.920 -> 20:48.720] y cyfleoedd sy'n dod i chi. Iawn, pa mor ddau i'w hysbysu?
[20:48.720 -> 20:54.160] Wel, eto, os ydych chi'n meddwl o rhai o'r sgwrs clasig a ddilyn y Cwmni Cymru, byddwn yn
[20:54.160 -> 21:00.080] siarad am y teimwyr, y teimwyr yn gadael y teimwyr neu'r uned o'r hyn sy'n digwydd
[21:00.080 -> 21:05.120] yn y staff y gynulliad. Felly rwy'n credu bod y cyfnod hwnnw yn dda. Byddwn i'n dr Pippa Grange,
[21:05.120 -> 21:13.280] unrhywun sydd wedi'i ddod i'r FA ar ôl y debarcyn yn 2016 pan ddewisom i Islein.
[21:13.280 -> 21:17.200] Ac yn y 744 dydd a ddilynodd ei gysylltiad â'r FA,
[21:17.200 -> 21:21.680] ddewisom ni mewn y semifinale'r Cymru ar gyfer Croesia yn 2018.
[21:21.680 -> 21:26.000] Felly, dr Pippa roedd yn dda i ni siar ni o ran y gwaith y mae hi'n ei wneud
[21:26.000 -> 21:30.000] yn sefydlu ddinas sy'n harmonios,
[21:30.000 -> 21:32.000] sy'n creu sensi o ddilyn,
[21:32.000 -> 21:35.000] ac sy'n ddifrifoedd â safbwyntau psychologaidd.
[21:35.000 -> 21:39.000] Rwy'n credu ei bod yn gyfranogwr da i unrhywun sy'n gallu ni ddweud mwy o hynny.
[21:41.000 -> 21:43.000] Yn ystod y cyfnod o weithredu,
[21:43.000 -> 21:45.600] os ydym yn siarad am hynny mewn sefydlu swyddfa neu sefydlu tîm, And in terms of performance, whether we're talking about that in an office setting or
[21:45.600 -> 21:51.480] in a team setting, all that does is lower people's willingness to take a risk.
[21:51.480 -> 21:55.440] And what does extreme elite performance require?
[21:55.440 -> 21:56.480] Risk.
[21:56.480 -> 22:00.040] You have to be vulnerable enough to put yourself out there.
[22:00.040 -> 22:06.040] And every time there is a culture of conformity, for me, it's impoverishing.
[22:06.040 -> 22:11.200] It really strips away people's ability to take that risk, to stand up.
[22:11.200 -> 22:19.480] You would have read in the book, the Richmond Tigers, AFL, their Triple H exercise, which
[22:19.480 -> 22:26.640] actually came from Atlanta Falcons NFL, which was being able to stand up and say, to tell a story of a
[22:26.640 -> 22:34.320] hero, hardship and highlight in their own life. And for all these guys had endured and tolerated
[22:34.320 -> 22:40.320] and the whole world looks at them as brave, doing that where it was personally vulnerable
[22:40.320 -> 22:50.720] was probably the biggest breakthrough piece that they could have that allowed them to go into a different zone where they dropped fear, you know, and they raised intimacy.
[22:50.720 -> 22:57.500] Oh, you know what, Damien, I love being reminded about that actually. And I think I love the
[22:57.500 -> 23:01.280] conversation about risk when it comes to performing at an elite level. You know, I was reminded
[23:01.280 -> 23:08.000] of a young player at Norwich called Aaron Ramsey. He's on loan from Aston Villa. He came round to collect a copy of high performance to take
[23:08.000 -> 23:12.720] with him on his trip to Miami with his partner. And he was talking about the, you know, like
[23:12.720 -> 23:15.880] the initiation song that footballers sing when they turn up at a new football club.
[23:15.880 -> 23:20.160] And I said, how was it? And he said, Oh man, he said, I was absolutely awful. Kind of like
[23:20.160 -> 23:24.800] a bit coy and a bit shy. And he said he wasn't very good. But I think the point is, it doesn't
[23:24.800 -> 23:26.200] matter whether he was good or bad.
[23:26.200 -> 23:28.300] It was the fact that he was willing to turn up at a new club.
[23:28.300 -> 23:28.900] He's a teenager.
[23:28.900 -> 23:32.800] He's 19 years old and sort of exposed himself in that sense.
[23:32.800 -> 23:34.800] And I think some people look at these kinds of things on the outside
[23:34.800 -> 23:36.900] and think, what is that all about?
[23:36.900 -> 23:42.100] But it's that risk-taking that allows the relationship to grow
[23:42.200 -> 23:44.000] between players in these elite teams.
[23:44.000 -> 23:46.600] And I think it's a really interesting thing for us to consider y gall y gysylltiad ddewis yn gwella yng nghanol chwaraewyr y teams elit hwn. Ac rwy'n credu ei fod yn beth ddiddorol iawn i ni ystyried
[23:46.600 -> 23:50.120] pan ddewis i'r clywod yn ceisio adeiladu'r teams eu hunain.
[23:50.120 -> 23:52.480] Ac fel y gwyddom i gyd,
[23:52.480 -> 23:53.440] mae angen i chi fod yn dymuno,
[23:53.440 -> 23:56.200] ac mae angen i chi fod yn dymuno o'r holl ddewis o sefydliad.
[23:56.200 -> 23:57.040] Iawn, yn ddim.
[23:57.040 -> 23:58.640] Ac os ydw i'n clywed hwn,
[23:58.640 -> 24:01.000] rwy'n credu y syniad o'r tri H,
[24:01.000 -> 24:03.160] y heiro, y hardd, a'r cynghor,
[24:03.160 -> 24:08.640] yw'n ddod o'r ffordd da i fframio sgwrs o gofyn i bobl ddechrau a dweud eu stori.
[24:08.640 -> 24:12.400] Dysguon ni ar y podcast yn ddiweddar, Eddie Howe, a'r
[24:12.400 -> 24:15.200] pwysau o gael ei tîm Newcastle i wneud hynny,
[24:15.200 -> 24:18.960] oherwydd yr hyn sy'n ei wneud yw dechrau helpu pobl i ddeall beth
[24:18.960 -> 24:21.680] mae gennym yn gysylltiad. Dydyn ni ddim yn mhobl os ydych chi o
[24:21.680 -> 24:34.000] Brasilia neu os ydych chi o Tyneside, the idea that you might be caring for elderly parents or you might be responsible for younger siblings was a really powerful way of creating that connection.
[24:34.000 -> 24:46.240] The one thing I would say, Jake, is that when I've been required to do team songs on a bus like Aaron Ramsey's describing... yeah I have and I'll tell you my go-to which is always yellow submarine
[24:46.240 -> 24:51.520] because John Lennon and Paul McCartney wrote that for Ringo Starr because he
[24:51.520 -> 24:56.840] couldn't sing and so that's one where everybody will join in within seconds as
[24:56.840 -> 25:00.720] well and save you the embarrassment of having to listen to your voice so that's
[25:00.720 -> 25:10.080] a little tip that I've learned. Steve Laughs I'll the listeners, we've not put an explicit warning sign on the top of this
[25:10.080 -> 25:11.080] podcast.
[25:11.080 -> 25:15.280] We'll probably also get a bill for about a hundred thousand pounds for singing a Beatles
[25:15.280 -> 25:19.040] song without permission on the podcast, but I'm sure we can all imagine your dulcet tones.
[25:19.040 -> 25:21.560] We'd love it.
[25:21.560 -> 25:26.000] Should we finish with a player who is representing England at this tournament? Yeah, I think this would be great because there's a really good chance that over the Iawn, rydyn ni'n gobeithio. A allwn ni ddiweddaraf â chwaraewr sy'n cyfrifol yng Nghymru ar y torfiad hon?
[25:26.000 -> 25:29.000] Ie, rwy'n credu bod hwn yn eithaf dda oherwydd mae cyfleoedd da iawn
[25:29.000 -> 25:34.000] y byddwn ni'n gweld yng Nghymru yn ymdrech i ddod i mewn i gael penawdau.
[25:34.000 -> 25:38.000] A rwy'n credu ein bod ni wedi cael y diwrnod hwn i flwyddyn
[25:38.000 -> 25:41.000] nad ydym yn dda fel nation yn ymdrech i gael penawdau,
[25:41.000 -> 25:48.000] ond y ffyrdd a ddod o'r ffordd i'w ddod, os gallwn ei ddweud hynny,, was Eric Dyer that we were lucky enough to speak to on the podcast.
[25:48.000 -> 25:55.000] We asked Eric specifically about the winning penalty that he took against Columbia in 2018.
[25:56.000 -> 26:09.560] Do you think about the country, the people watching, the history with penalties, the fact that it's all on you, that everyone's holding their breath, that this goal puts us into the next round, like what can you take us
[26:09.560 -> 26:13.880] through the mental story when you knew you were taking that kick?
[26:13.880 -> 26:34.480] Yeah well it's kind of funny because Portugal knocked England out of penalties it you know at the Academy and but I felt I felt Portuguese
[26:34.480 -> 26:39.600] in that way you know where I felt like I have the Portuguese thing about
[26:39.600 -> 26:43.960] taking penalties you know that I grew up about it I grew up with it at sporting
[26:43.960 -> 26:47.480] you know. As in the confidence thing? The confidence thing yeah, I feel like I had their
[26:47.480 -> 26:51.100] confidence to take a penalty or do one of those
[26:51.100 -> 26:56.640] things you know because I was one of them in that scenario where we
[26:56.640 -> 27:00.840] you know we'd practice penalties, lows and all that kind of stuff and I was
[27:00.840 -> 27:09.760] around them doing it so there was that kind of aspect to it and then I didn't really feel attached to England's
[27:09.760 -> 27:16.200] penalty disasters, well not disasters but penalty losses in the past
[27:16.200 -> 27:22.840] as a fan I did. Well they were disasters don't worry about that. I was devastated, as a kid I was devastated
[27:22.840 -> 27:25.520] when England lost on penalties and it
[27:25.520 -> 27:29.360] was actually a bad penalty but I was really calm in that moment.
[27:32.000 -> 27:37.600] I think what I take away from that is the importance of not carrying that baggage into
[27:37.600 -> 27:41.760] those big moments in these tournaments and actually I'm kind of, I'm buoyed by the
[27:41.760 -> 27:49.840] fact that the young players playing for England at the moment, what do they know? They know a semi-final of a World Cup, they know a final of a Euros,
[27:49.840 -> 27:54.840] only being defeated on penalties. They don't carry these issues that maybe the players
[27:54.840 -> 27:57.640] 10, 15, 20, 25 years carried, do they?
[27:57.640 -> 27:59.920] Steve Marra No, you know, and again I think that's an
[27:59.920 -> 28:05.440] awful lot of credit to, Gareth Southgate spoke about howsodd y byddai'r siwrt yn eithaf cyd-droedig pan oedd yn chwarae,
[28:05.440 -> 28:07.160] ac yn yr un ffordd pan oedd yn ei ddysgu,
[28:07.160 -> 28:11.960] y byddai'r chwaraein yn teimlo'n aml i fod yn cyrraedd y byd ar eu hollol,
[28:11.960 -> 28:13.560] a oedd yn ymdrech ar y pwysau,
[28:13.560 -> 28:17.200] neu oedd yn ymdrech ar eu galluau.
[28:17.200 -> 28:18.960] Ac rwy'n credu, un o'r pethau,
[28:18.960 -> 28:21.760] pan ddod i'r ddod o'r ddangosfa'n siarp fel hyn,
[28:21.760 -> 28:24.000] ac rwy'n gwybod bod gennym ni gyd yn fuddsoddi emosiynol
[28:24.000 -> 28:46.000] yn ein tîm ein hun, yn gwneud y mwyaf i gyd. Ond rwy'n hoffi ein bod ni'n ymdrech ar gyfer y pwysau arbennig.
[28:46.000 -> 28:51.000] Lleidiau sy'n gallu adfer y moment ac yn ymdrech ar y ffordd y byddent amdano.
[28:51.000 -> 28:57.000] Rwy'n credu bod llawer o wythnosau cyffredinol y gallwn ddysgu a gallwn ddysgu ar y cyfnod nesaf.
[28:57.000 -> 29:03.000] Ac rwy'n gobeithio bod y rheini'n ymdrech ar gyfer y rhai o'r cyfrifiadau rydyn ni wedi'u gwneud
[29:03.000 -> 29:05.000] yn rhoi'r gbyddiaeth i bobl
[29:05.000 -> 29:09.000] y gallant mwynhau Cymru, yn rhanbarth â'r cyfansoddau o'u tîm eu hunain.
[29:09.000 -> 29:15.000] Yn agos i mi, ac rydyn ni ddim yn gwybod, mae gennym llawer o gwrsau o ffwrddwyr a rheolwr ffwrddwyr.
[29:15.000 -> 29:20.000] Gallwch chi clywed Steve Clark ar y podcastau hwn, Frank Lampard, Stephen Gerrard, Anthony Taylor,
[29:20.000 -> 29:23.000] sy'n ymgyrchu ar y Cymru, wrth gwrs, Maurizio Pochettino.
[29:23.000 -> 29:26.240] Mae cyfrifoldeb ffwrddwyr ddiddorol i gyd pob le rydych chi'n edrych, ond os oes gennych clywed y pethau fach a byddwch eisiau mwy, Taylor who's refereeing at the World Cup of course Maurizio Pochettino there are really interesting football conversations everywhere you look but if
[29:26.240 -> 29:28.720] you've heard these small snippets and you want more I can just tell you
[29:28.720 -> 29:32.960] quickly that the Gareth Southgate episode is episode number 60 if you want
[29:32.960 -> 29:37.600] to hear more from Gary Lineker he was episode 126, Glenn Hoddle was episode
[29:37.600 -> 29:46.000] 121 of the podcast, Pippa Grange was episode 103 and Eric Dier was episode 97. I tell you what we'll also
[29:46.000 -> 29:49.420] pop those just in the description for this episode because we've given you
[29:49.420 -> 29:53.120] just a small taste of what our guests had to offer but they have so much to
[29:53.120 -> 29:57.880] share so much to talk about so much for you to learn from. Thanks a lot Damien
[29:57.880 -> 30:01.440] let's hope that the the next couple of weeks is great from an England
[30:01.440 -> 30:03.960] perspective and good from a football point of view as well.
[30:03.960 -> 30:08.160] Yeah so being parochial yeah of course you want England England perspective and good from a football point of view as well. Steve Martin Yeah, so being parochial, yeah, of course we want England to do well, but from a
[30:08.160 -> 30:13.040] high performance point of view, I think let's just enjoy seeing elite performers operating at the
[30:13.040 -> 30:17.920] sharp end. As always, big thanks to you at home for growing and sharing this podcast among your
[30:17.920 -> 30:21.680] friends and your family, your community, your colleagues. Please continue to spread the
[30:21.680 -> 30:26.840] learnings you're taking from this series. Remember, there is no secret. It's all there for you, so chase world-class
[30:26.840 -> 30:35.840] basics and we'll see you very soon.