The Making of Max Verstappen

On this edition of Talking Bull, fresh from his win at Silverstone we have an exclusive chat with Max Verstappen and his legendary father Jos Verstappen. We go all the way back to the karting days, talk to Jos about how he motivates Max and find out why he once left him at a service station after a race!

**Title: Jos and Max Verstappen: A Father-Son Racing Legacy**

**Introduction:**

In this special edition of the Aston Martin Red Bull Racing podcast, "Talking Bull," Nicola Hume hosts a captivating conversation between Jos and Max Verstappen, a legendary racing driver and his son, who has surpassed his father's record for Formula One race starts. The podcast delves into their unique journey, exploring the dynamics of their relationship, the impact Jos had on Max's career, and their perspectives on the current state of Formula One.

**Jos Verstappen's Racing Career:**

Jos Verstappen, a former Formula One driver, competed from 1994 to 2003. He shares his experiences as a racing driver, highlighting standout moments from his career, including his participation in the Malaysian Grand Prix.

**Max Verstappen's Early Years:**

Max Verstappen recalls his childhood, growing up with a racing driver father. He describes how he perceived Jos not as a Formula One driver but as his dad. Max's early involvement in go-karting, starting at the age of four and a half, is discussed, emphasizing his passion for racing from a young age.

**Jos Verstappen's Role as Max's Mentor:**

Jos Verstappen played a pivotal role in Max's racing career, serving as his kart engineer, engine kitter, and father. He dedicated himself to preparing Max for success, meticulously setting up chassis and engines, ensuring Max had the best equipment to compete.

**Max Verstappen's Focus on Schoolwork:**

Despite his intense involvement in racing, Max acknowledges the importance of education. He explains how he balanced his racing commitments with schoolwork, acknowledging the challenges of keeping up with his studies while traveling frequently.

**The Verstappen Family's Racing Setup:**

The podcast sheds light on the Verstappen family's professional racing setup at home. Jos Verstappen describes the extensive preparations they undertook, including dyno testing engines and meticulously setting up chassis, to ensure Max was well-prepared for races.

**Max Verstappen's Mechanical Understanding:**

Max Verstappen discusses his interest in the mechanical aspects of racing. While he admits to not enjoying working on engines, he emphasizes the importance of understanding the technicalities of his car. He credits his father for instilling in him a comprehensive understanding of race mechanics.

**The Verstappen Family's Travel and Bonding:**

The podcast delves into the Verstappen family's extensive travels across Europe for Max's races. Jos Verstappen recalls their memorable journeys in their van, covering thousands of kilometers each year. Max shares his perspective on these trips, acknowledging that while they were intense, they also created lasting memories and strengthened their family bond.

**Jos Verstappen's Unique Coaching Methods:**

Jos Verstappen employed unconventional coaching methods to hone Max's racing skills. He recounts sending Max out in poorly set up cars to help him identify and rectify issues. He also emphasized the importance of adapting to different weather conditions, pushing Max to race in all types of weather to gain experience.

**The Fuel Station Incident:**

The podcast highlights a pivotal moment in Max Verstappen's career when Jos Verstappen left him at a fuel station after a disappointing race. Max explains how this incident served as a wake-up call, prompting him to reflect on his mistakes and ultimately leading to improved performance in subsequent races.

**Max Verstappen's Driving Style:**

Max Verstappen acknowledges the influence of his father's driving style on his own. He recognizes his aggressive approach but emphasizes that it is controlled and calculated. He attributes his finesse and smooth driving style to the guidance he received from Jos Verstappen.

**Jos Verstappen's Assessment of Max's Driving:**

Jos Verstappen praises Max's driving style, commending his intelligence and fluency. He highlights Max's ability to analyze different lines and adapt his driving accordingly. Jos believes that Max's driving style has evolved, becoming more refined and effective over time.

**Max Verstappen's Best Advice from His Father:**

Max Verstappen reveals the most valuable advice he has received from his father: to stay grounded and be himself. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining a level head and avoiding the pitfalls of fame and fortune in Formula One.

**The Verstappen Family's Close Relationship:**

The podcast underscores the strong bond between Jos and Max Verstappen. They maintain daily communication, discussing various aspects of Max's racing career and life in general. This close relationship serves as a pillar of support for Max as he navigates the demanding world of Formula One.

**Jos Verstappen's Assessment of Current Formula One:**

Jos Verstappen provides his perspective on the current state of Formula One. He acknowledges the increased professionalism and sophistication of the sport but expresses his desire for closer racing. He emphasizes the need for cars to be more competitive, allowing for more exciting and unpredictable races.

**Max Verstappen's Focus on Winning the Championship:**

Max Verstappen expresses his ambition to win the World Championship. He acknowledges the dominance of Mercedes but remains determined to seize every opportunity to challenge for the title. He believes that continuous improvement and consistency will eventually lead him to his ultimate goal.

**Jos and Max Verstappen's Racing Heroes:**

The podcast concludes with Jos and Max Verstappen revealing their racing heroes. Jos expresses his admiration for Ayrton Senna's driving style and attitude. Max, on the other hand, states that he does not have a specific racing hero, as he prefers to focus on his own journey and improvement.

**Conclusion:**

The podcast provides a captivating insight into the unique father-son relationship between Jos and Max Verstappen, highlighting their journey from Max's early years in go-karting to his remarkable achievements in Formula One. It explores the impact of Jos's mentorship on Max's career, their close bond, and their shared passion for racing. The podcast also offers valuable perspectives on the current state of Formula One and the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead.

[00:00.000 -> 00:07.000] Hi there, this is Christian Horner.
[00:07.000 -> 00:10.000] You've won the Austrian Grand Prix!
[00:10.000 -> 00:12.000] Hi, it's Alex Albon.
[00:12.000 -> 00:16.000] Hi, I'm Max Verstappen and you're listening to the Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Podcast.
[00:16.000 -> 00:19.000] Oh, this feels good!
[00:21.000 -> 00:29.000] Hello and welcome to a very special edition of Talking Bull, the official Aston Martin Red Bull Racing podcast. For those who don't know, Max Verstappen's
[00:29.000 -> 00:33.280] father is a legendary racing driver himself. Jos Verstappen raced in Formula
[00:33.280 -> 00:39.400] One from 1994 to 2003 before he went on to mentor Max. Last week Max surpassed
[00:39.400 -> 00:42.800] his dad for the number of race starts, which is a very big moment for them both.
[00:42.800 -> 00:48.000] We thought it would be a good opportunity to get them together to find out how Jos has made his son into
[00:48.000 -> 00:52.280] the incredible racing driver he is today. And what better time to chat to them than
[00:52.280 -> 00:57.880] off the back of last weekend's win at Silverstone, our first win on the track since 2012. Jos,
[00:57.880 -> 01:01.880] Max, thanks for joining us on Talking Bull. It's a real treat to have you on together
[01:01.880 -> 01:02.880] at the same time.
[01:02.880 -> 01:03.880] Thank you.
[01:03.880 -> 01:05.760] Max, let's start right back at the beginning.
[01:05.760 -> 01:08.640] Growing up, what was it like having Jos as your father?
[01:08.640 -> 01:13.360] Well, I mean, I just first of all saw him as my dad, you know, not like at the time
[01:13.360 -> 01:14.880] F1 driver dad or whatever.
[01:14.880 -> 01:20.520] For me, of course, from a very young age, I saw a lot of racing around me before I even
[01:20.520 -> 01:21.520] started myself.
[01:21.520 -> 01:23.240] I was at the Gokartrack already and stuff.
[01:23.240 -> 01:25.640] So yeah, a lot of racing involved.
[01:25.640 -> 01:27.760] Is there a standout moment from his career?
[01:27.760 -> 01:32.760] Oh, I remember that I was in Malaysia, for example,
[01:33.440 -> 01:36.400] when my dad was still racing in F1, stuff like that.
[01:37.280 -> 01:39.120] But I was also very little, you know,
[01:39.120 -> 01:41.240] so for me, it just looked a bit like a playground also,
[01:41.240 -> 01:42.480] you know, being in the paddock.
[01:42.480 -> 01:44.160] And Jos, what do you remember about the first time
[01:44.160 -> 01:46.040] that you put Max in a car? Because he
[01:46.040 -> 01:48.040] was young, right? He was four years old, is that right?
[01:48.040 -> 01:52.840] He was four and a half when we first put him in. I still remember it was in Gank, it was
[01:52.840 -> 01:58.440] on the rental circuit, it was with a very small go-kart. We still have it, it's hanging
[01:58.440 -> 02:04.000] in the shop where we sell the merchandise. But I remember after a few laps, he did the
[02:04.000 -> 02:05.640] whole track flat out and
[02:05.640 -> 02:10.120] because of the vibration of the go-kart the carburettor was falling off all the
[02:10.120 -> 02:15.320] time so we did it for one day and then immediately bought a bigger go-kart.
[02:15.320 -> 02:18.200] What was that like sticking a four and a half year old in a go-kart and then
[02:18.200 -> 02:21.560] just just watching him drive away? Was that a nerve-wracking moment?
[02:21.560 -> 02:26.880] Not really because I think he was about two and a half, he was driving on a quad bike.
[02:26.880 -> 02:33.680] So he had a lot of experience. He had experience with speeds, how to steer, you know.
[02:33.680 -> 02:37.920] So we did quite a lot of things already before I put him in a go-kart.
[02:37.920 -> 02:41.200] And was it seven years old when you started competing, Max?
[02:41.200 -> 02:42.560] Yeah, the first race.
[02:42.560 -> 02:43.520] At seven, yeah.
[02:43.520 -> 02:46.000] And how quickly did success come? First race?
[02:46.000 -> 02:54.560] Immediately. Yeah. Yeah. We prepared him very well. I mean, just late, lately, I think two or three
[02:54.560 -> 02:59.920] weeks ago, somebody sent me a picture from that race. It was an Emmen, is some, is a place in
[02:59.920 -> 03:05.280] Holland somewhere. He was, because he was seven, he was racing against other mini
[03:05.280 -> 03:10.560] juniors and they could be nine or ten years old. So that's what he was
[03:10.560 -> 03:15.560] competing against, a lot older boys. So Josh, you were Maxi's kart engineer, his
[03:15.560 -> 03:20.880] engine kitter and his dad. What was it like to be focused on one goal together
[03:20.880 -> 03:25.360] throughout his childhood? Yeah, we were very motivated to succeed.
[03:25.360 -> 03:27.280] And for me, it was a day job.
[03:27.280 -> 03:29.400] I mean, I was bringing Max to school
[03:29.400 -> 03:32.280] after I went to the workshop
[03:32.280 -> 03:34.840] to prepare the chassis, prepare the engines,
[03:34.840 -> 03:36.600] you know, fit everything together,
[03:36.600 -> 03:38.600] arrange all the things, what we have to do.
[03:38.600 -> 03:42.400] And we go to the Gokartrack two, three times a week, I guess.
[03:42.400 -> 03:44.400] Max, how focused were you on your schoolwork
[03:44.400 -> 03:46.000] with all this going on in the background?
[03:46.000 -> 03:52.080] Well, let's say that I didn't really enjoy school but of course I knew that it was important
[03:52.080 -> 03:57.960] as well to try and do well there, you know, so I tried the best I could with of course
[03:57.960 -> 03:58.960] traveling a lot.
[03:58.960 -> 04:03.000] Yeah, because I mean this was almost a full-time occupation from a really young age, right?
[04:03.000 -> 04:06.120] Well especially when you start driving like international you know then it becomes
[04:06.120 -> 04:11.880] quite difficult to to keep up to speed with school so I would say from when I
[04:11.880 -> 04:16.960] was like 11 12 years old it became quite tricky. I've seen some video of the
[04:16.960 -> 04:22.120] setup in your workshop at home I mean this is the proper team setup I mean it
[04:22.120 -> 04:32.880] looks like a lot of fun but I mean this is a professional outfit. Well I think yeah my dad can say more about that. We had to because we were competing against
[04:33.600 -> 04:39.680] the factory teams. We were also driving for a factory team, we were in the same tent,
[04:39.680 -> 04:49.920] but we did everything ourselves from chassis setup, also from engines. We had a dyno to put the engines on, so we were very well prepared when we came to the
[04:49.920 -> 04:50.920] race.
[04:50.920 -> 04:56.220] We knew exactly which engine was the best and what carburetors, which exhaust, so everything
[04:56.220 -> 04:57.220] was sorted.
[04:57.220 -> 05:02.740] I knew exactly if we had qualifying, which engine we had to use and things like that.
[05:02.740 -> 05:05.920] And of course, Max had to set up the carburettors for that,
[05:05.920 -> 05:13.200] but that's a feeling a driver needs to have and I think he was very good at that. He was very precise
[05:13.200 -> 05:18.640] on what he liked to have in his go-kart. Yeah Max, do you enjoy the mechanical side of stuff
[05:18.640 -> 05:27.200] as much as the driving? Getting hands-on with an engine? I'm not the person who likes to work on the engine. That's more like
[05:27.200 -> 05:32.240] my dad really enjoys to do that. I always loved the driving more, but I think it's really important
[05:32.240 -> 05:37.360] that you understand what's going on. I was always involved, let's say, looking at what my dad was
[05:37.360 -> 05:42.320] doing and understanding what he was doing, but I never had that feeling of doing it myself.
[05:42.320 -> 05:46.360] Do you think all F1 drivers have that same understanding? Does this give you an advantage
[05:46.360 -> 05:48.080] on the racetrack now?
[05:48.080 -> 05:54.240] No, I don't think everyone is the same. Also, I don't think many people had the guidance
[05:54.240 -> 05:59.520] from a very young age like I had. That doesn't mean that some, you know, they catch up and
[05:59.520 -> 06:06.560] stuff and they learn a lot. But I think, yeah, from a very young age, I just learned a lot straight away.
[06:06.560 -> 06:11.680] What have been some of the best moments over the years, Jos, in terms of your driving together
[06:11.680 -> 06:15.920] and travelling around the world and watching Max drive? Have there been any standout moments?
[06:15.920 -> 06:21.880] Well, standout moments for me, it was probably when we won the European Championship in the
[06:21.880 -> 06:25.280] OK Classes and also the World Championship in
[06:25.280 -> 06:26.280] the KZ.
[06:26.280 -> 06:29.040] And we all did it in the same year.
[06:29.040 -> 06:33.720] And to be honest, I think every year we were racing, we were winning championships.
[06:33.720 -> 06:36.440] So I mean, you do a lot of races.
[06:36.440 -> 06:40.440] But what I also really enjoyed is all the things around it, you know, together in the
[06:40.440 -> 06:44.200] van towards the race, you know, the preparation, what you had to do before.
[06:44.200 -> 06:47.960] Yeah, I miss it now. But at that moment I really enjoyed it.
[06:47.960 -> 06:49.560] Max, is there anything that stands out for you?
[06:49.560 -> 06:53.720] Well, I think at the end of the day, the things that stand out are of course the championships
[06:53.720 -> 06:57.880] and victories, you know. But what I will always remember is of course also the trips, you
[06:57.880 -> 07:05.880] know, going there and the travels. So yeah, you experience a lot of things and Honestly, I I would not do it again now
[07:06.680 -> 07:12.400] The travelers the driving bit, you know to the go-kart track. It was always well at the time it felt normal
[07:12.400 -> 07:14.400] But now I cannot see myself
[07:14.800 -> 07:19.200] Travel, I don't know eight to ten hours in the van again to to go driving
[07:19.200 -> 07:21.800] but at the time it was just very normal and
[07:22.240 -> 07:23.720] It's what you had to do
[07:23.720 -> 07:25.040] Especially if you know if you were living in Belgium Holland and you had to go to Italy to to race most of the time it was just very normal and it's what you had to do, especially if you were living in
[07:25.040 -> 07:30.800] Belgium, Holland, and you had to go to Italy to race most of the time. But yeah, at the time I
[07:30.800 -> 07:35.680] really enjoyed it. So weekends were spent in the Verstappen van driving across Europe. I mean,
[07:35.680 -> 07:40.800] this sounds like a memorable childhood, if nothing else. Yeah, a lot of memories. I mean,
[07:41.360 -> 07:45.240] we did about 80,000 to 100,000 kilometers a year. Wow.
[07:45.240 -> 07:46.240] Every year.
[07:46.240 -> 07:47.240] So we did that for 10 years, I guess.
[07:47.240 -> 07:50.840] So yeah, it was quite intense.
[07:50.840 -> 07:51.840] Let's say that.
[07:51.840 -> 07:54.000] So you got to know the motorway network of Europe pretty well.
[07:54.000 -> 07:55.000] I know it.
[07:55.000 -> 07:56.000] I know it quite well.
[07:56.000 -> 07:58.000] What's your favorite service station, Jos?
[07:58.000 -> 08:00.000] I can tell you that.
[08:00.000 -> 08:05.000] In Austria, we always, when we went to Italy,
[08:05.000 -> 08:08.680] we had a service station where we always stopped
[08:08.680 -> 08:11.120] because there we had fantastic food.
[08:11.120 -> 08:13.320] And we were really looking for, when we left Holland,
[08:13.320 -> 08:15.800] we were really looking forward to that service.
[08:15.800 -> 08:17.560] Like six and a half hours later.
[08:19.440 -> 08:21.440] And then most of the time it was like one and a half,
[08:21.440 -> 08:22.760] two hours to go or something.
[08:22.760 -> 08:23.600] Two hours.
[08:23.600 -> 08:26.040] That was the destination, the Austrian service station.
[08:26.040 -> 08:28.720] So was Formula One always the destination for your career?
[08:28.720 -> 08:30.600] Was this always where this was aimed?
[08:30.600 -> 08:34.920] Well, I guess that was always the first target.
[08:34.920 -> 08:38.480] I mean, you never know how it's going to work out, of course, but yeah, we were, I think,
[08:38.480 -> 08:40.760] always working towards Formula One.
[08:40.760 -> 08:43.960] I saw a little video clip, Jost, and you were saying that you had all the trophies in the
[08:43.960 -> 08:47.000] garage there, and the one thing that was missing was an F1 Drivers' Championship.
[08:47.000 -> 08:51.480] I mean, that's obviously the aim involved in the sport, of course. That would be something
[08:51.480 -> 08:53.000] that would make you incredibly proud, I'm sure.
[08:53.000 -> 08:59.680] Yeah, I hope one day Max will do that. I mean, he has a lot of time to do that, and I'm sure
[08:59.680 -> 09:04.120] it will come. When we have the car to do that, he will finish that off.
[09:04.120 -> 09:07.960] Josse, I've read that you used to send Max out in a car that was poorly set up so that
[09:07.960 -> 09:13.280] he could feedback to you what was wrong with it and make improvements. Is that true?
[09:13.280 -> 09:23.120] We did a few times just to get his feeling, what he feels and what had to be done. But
[09:23.120 -> 09:25.320] even in the races, I told him,
[09:25.320 -> 09:27.400] because he was winning so easily,
[09:27.400 -> 09:29.860] I told him, for example, that he couldn't overtake
[09:29.860 -> 09:32.640] in a certain corner or a certain part on track.
[09:32.640 -> 09:35.520] So he had to find different spots for Duda.
[09:35.520 -> 09:38.640] And I think that it was just to make it more difficult
[09:38.640 -> 09:40.800] for him, you know, to find other ways
[09:40.800 -> 09:42.200] where to overtake or not.
[09:42.200 -> 09:44.240] And I think that was just a learning thing.
[09:44.240 -> 09:46.560] And the same with weather conditions, is that right? You sent him out in all
[09:46.560 -> 09:49.760] weather conditions just to make sure that he got a feel for the track?
[09:49.760 -> 09:52.720] Yeah, especially when you are young, I mean you have to
[09:53.440 -> 09:58.240] see also where you have to ride. It's not only feeling but also look at the circuit,
[09:58.240 -> 10:03.360] look at the corners, where it's drier, where it's more grip, you have to feel that.
[10:03.360 -> 10:09.760] We were always, you know, every circuit is different and when it started to rain, the most people pack up and go home.
[10:09.760 -> 10:15.320] But we always stayed, you know, we went on track, nobody was driving anymore and we had to hold
[10:15.320 -> 10:20.160] track for ourselves. But once you know what to do, then you don't need to do it that much anymore.
[10:20.160 -> 10:29.320] We did it a lot when he was younger, but then, you know, when he was growing up more, he knew what to do then and you didn't have to do that anymore.
[10:29.320 -> 10:32.880] Max, did your dad leave you a racetrack once after a bad race?
[10:32.880 -> 10:36.840] Yeah, a fuel station. Nearly.
[10:36.840 -> 10:45.360] Yeah, that was basically, that was a world championship race in 2012.
[10:45.360 -> 10:48.480] I mean, honestly, I think that was one of the easiest weekends of my career.
[10:48.480 -> 10:52.640] Like, we were so fast, but I still managed to not win it.
[10:52.640 -> 10:58.600] So, basically, in a heat on a Friday or Saturday, I burned my clutch.
[10:58.600 -> 10:59.600] So I retired.
[10:59.600 -> 11:02.680] So I had to start 10th in the pre-final.
[11:02.680 -> 11:04.920] Yeah, within a lap, I was second already.
[11:04.920 -> 11:06.080] And then I won the race with
[11:06.080 -> 11:12.800] like three seconds, four seconds ahead of number two. So then in the final, after the first lap,
[11:12.800 -> 11:18.000] when I was in the lead, he got me on the straight because it was a very long straight, so it was a
[11:18.000 -> 11:23.840] lot about slipstreaming. So he got me and then I decided that I wanted to overtake him back
[11:23.840 -> 11:25.120] straight away because I wanted to
[11:25.120 -> 11:32.400] be in the lead and yeah it was a bit stupid and unnecessary so I crashed and no world
[11:32.400 -> 11:36.960] championships so especially also because of my dad invested so much time already the years
[11:36.960 -> 11:42.080] before preparing the engines you know making sure that once I stepped up to that category
[11:42.080 -> 11:50.400] that everything would be ready to go you know so I was of course upset but my dad was really really upset and disappointed in me, of course
[11:50.400 -> 11:54.780] So he of course broke down like the tent everything he threw in the van
[11:54.780 -> 12:00.040] I had to pick up the go-kart with a friend of mine on the track after the race because my dad said I had to do
[12:00.040 -> 12:01.080] It myself
[12:01.080 -> 12:07.280] So we managed to do all of that, of course my dad being very angry. So we then sat in
[12:07.280 -> 12:13.520] the van, of course on our way back home, but I wanted to talk to my dad about what happened,
[12:13.520 -> 12:19.040] about my opinion about the incident. But my dad didn't want to talk to me, so I kept trying and
[12:19.040 -> 12:26.000] at one point he said like, get out, like here at the fuel station, he stopped at the fuel station, he's like get out, I don't want to talk to you anymore.
[12:26.000 -> 12:30.000] So yeah, I stood there.
[12:30.000 -> 12:38.000] I knew that his mum was a few kilometres behind us, so it's not that I was leaving him there on his own, 2000 kilometres away.
[12:38.000 -> 12:41.000] Well, you came back anyway, so it was alright.
[12:41.000 -> 12:46.560] This is all part of this amazing racing education, right, Juss?
[12:46.560 -> 12:51.840] For me, because he did everything very relaxed, it was all very easy for him,
[12:52.400 -> 13:00.480] but I really wanted him to feel the pain, it should hurt him, because he had to think what
[13:00.480 -> 13:05.840] he was doing. But I picked him up, we drove, I think it was about 1800 kilometers back
[13:05.840 -> 13:12.320] home. I didn't say a word to him and I think that the whole week after I didn't speak to him. And
[13:12.320 -> 13:21.120] then we were sitting together, I explained to him how I feel and the whole week he didn't feel
[13:21.120 -> 13:29.280] comfortable with the whole situation. But I wanted him to understand that he has to think, you know. And I think that was the last race of
[13:29.280 -> 13:34.920] that season and the season afterwards we won everything. We won two European
[13:34.920 -> 13:41.440] Championship, World Championship, we won every, every race. He was so focused, the
[13:41.440 -> 13:49.280] way he was racing you could see he was thinking. So, and I think because of what happened at that race, it made him a better driver, absolutely.
[13:49.280 -> 13:52.080] Max, do you see elements of your dad's driving in your own?
[13:52.080 -> 13:53.080] Yeah, absolutely.
[13:53.080 -> 13:57.800] Yeah, I can be aggressive, but from my side, I think it's controlled aggressiveness, but
[13:57.800 -> 13:59.800] I just like to race hard, you know?
[13:59.800 -> 14:02.280] So I think my dad also did that.
[14:02.280 -> 14:07.360] I think I'm just a bit more, I have a bit more finesse in my driving style, I think.
[14:07.360 -> 14:09.040] But that's also what we worked on
[14:09.040 -> 14:10.720] from when I was very little, of course.
[14:10.720 -> 14:13.800] My dad, of course, wanted me to become better than him.
[14:13.800 -> 14:17.320] So yeah, we tried to work on that.
[14:17.320 -> 14:18.160] Yeah, I was gonna say, Jos,
[14:18.160 -> 14:20.440] what do you see in Max that's different from you?
[14:20.440 -> 14:22.360] No, he uses his head more
[14:22.360 -> 14:25.760] and his driving style is more fluent
[14:26.340 -> 14:30.140] But that's what as a young boy that was I was always
[14:30.480 -> 14:36.200] Next to the circuit and told him drive nice and when I see him one lap to be more
[14:36.680 -> 14:39.560] Wild let's say I went there in that corner
[14:39.560 -> 14:43.480] I say nice driving and take as much speed through the corner as possible
[14:43.480 -> 14:47.240] And I think that's is what the thing he's doing now.
[14:47.240 -> 14:54.280] I can see, I know what he's doing and also I know, I see different lines than other drivers.
[14:54.280 -> 14:58.680] Let's say that we practiced when he was very young.
[14:58.680 -> 15:01.960] What's the best piece of advice that your dad's given you, Max?
[15:01.960 -> 15:05.680] Well, I guess stay with two feet on the ground, you know, just be yourself.
[15:05.680 -> 15:07.800] That's the most important thing of all the years.
[15:07.800 -> 15:10.080] It's easy for that not to happen in Formula One, isn't it?
[15:10.080 -> 15:14.200] The whole circus of the sport is easy to lose your head and to become someone else.
[15:14.200 -> 15:16.440] Well, it can be, but if you have the right people around you,
[15:16.440 -> 15:17.880] then I don't think it happens.
[15:17.880 -> 15:19.200] So, yeah.
[15:19.200 -> 15:23.080] And you guys still stay in touch regularly and you catch up after every race, is that right?
[15:23.080 -> 15:24.480] Every day we are in touch.
[15:24.480 -> 15:25.780] Well, every day.
[15:25.780 -> 15:26.780] Yeah, yeah.
[15:26.780 -> 15:32.180] No, there's a lot of things, you know, what comes around and together with Raymond, the
[15:32.180 -> 15:36.540] manager, also my friend, we always have conversations together.
[15:36.540 -> 15:40.300] We always discuss things together and that will always be the case.
[15:40.300 -> 15:42.980] So we talked a little bit earlier about the possibility of a championship title.
[15:42.980 -> 15:46.800] I mean, let's not go too crazy on what's going to happen this season,
[15:46.800 -> 15:48.720] but I mean, you'll still have something you're looking forward to, right?
[15:48.720 -> 15:51.840] Oh, well, that's our goal. That's why we are here.
[15:51.840 -> 15:54.080] You know, we are very happy where we are,
[15:54.080 -> 15:57.280] but at the end of the day, we want to win the World Championship.
[15:57.280 -> 15:58.480] That's what we're here for.
[15:58.480 -> 16:01.280] And that expectation, Max, does that help you? Does that drive you?
[16:01.280 -> 16:02.480] No, for me, that doesn't matter.
[16:02.480 -> 16:07.800] I mean, I'm just waiting to have a chance to fight for it.
[16:07.800 -> 16:13.800] Every year I think you become a better driver as well. I'm just looking forward to having
[16:13.800 -> 16:18.880] that shot. I like winning races and that's what you do it for at the end of the day.
[16:18.880 -> 16:23.640] Jos, what's your assessment of Formula 1 right now? Obviously it's a strange season, this
[16:23.640 -> 16:27.160] one, but how has the sport changed since your driving days?
[16:27.160 -> 16:33.920] Well, everything gets more professional of course. Also, how the team operates, I mean
[16:33.920 -> 16:41.440] that's completely different than at my time. But I like it, I like the competition. Of
[16:41.440 -> 16:46.880] course now Mercedes is a little bit too fast but if they were in the group where
[16:46.880 -> 16:52.480] the people are I think we could have fantastic races. So I really like it. Of course this year
[16:52.480 -> 16:58.800] is a bit different with the virus around. Hopefully that will come back soon, hopefully next year
[16:58.800 -> 17:05.520] already. If they can make the cars a little bit more, how you say, so they can stay closer together
[17:05.520 -> 17:10.160] I think we will see a lot better races again, and that's what people want to see
[17:10.160 -> 17:17.960] I guess. Max, it's been a dramatic couple of races for you, hasn't it? Yeah, I mean, I think we we maximized of course the results
[17:18.680 -> 17:22.280] So far, of course the shame that we had a retirement in the first weekend
[17:22.280 -> 17:28.360] But yeah, I think overall we did we did well of course yeah Mercedes is a bit too dominant at the
[17:28.360 -> 17:33.640] moment but we just try not to lose too many points and and see what happens but
[17:33.640 -> 17:38.000] yeah a lot of things happen in in all the races a bit of drama I think that's
[17:38.000 -> 17:40.920] always good. And Max of course in that race last weekend you surpassed your
[17:40.920 -> 17:44.760] father's record in terms of race starts how does that feel? I don't really care
[17:44.760 -> 17:47.840] so much about like the amount of. I think also my dad,
[17:48.400 -> 17:53.280] it was always the target that I was going to try to become better, like we're going to do better.
[17:53.280 -> 17:58.000] We tried to win races and we tried to go for championships. So I think it's quite normal
[17:58.000 -> 18:02.320] that if you want to do that, you're going to hopefully do two, three hundred races in Formula
[18:02.320 -> 18:10.000] One, you know? So I think it's just the beginning. One final question to both of you, the same question, Max, who is your racing hero?
[18:10.000 -> 18:16.720] So I don't have one, I never had one and of course, you know, my dad, he's been a great
[18:16.720 -> 18:21.600] example and but for me it's just my dad, you know, I don't like look at him all the time,
[18:21.600 -> 18:31.040] it's like a race driver or whatever, I think that's more like from the from a fan perspective. So like I never had any posters in my my room I had a cut out of my
[18:31.040 -> 18:38.080] dad like a cardboard that's what I had in my room but that's it so no I respect of course everyone
[18:38.080 -> 18:42.480] what they have achieved in the sport but I never had like a like a hero. That's the answer I was
[18:42.480 -> 18:46.360] sort of hoping for. Jos, who's your racing hero? I always said I don't have really a hero. That's the answer I was sort of hoping for. Jos, who's your racing hero?
[18:46.360 -> 18:52.560] I always said I don't have really a hero, but I like the way Sanna was racing. I like
[18:52.560 -> 18:59.360] his style, I like his attitude, you know. And I like the way of course, the way Max
[18:59.360 -> 19:06.720] is racing, you know, aggressive but still use your head. That's the type of driver I always like.
[19:06.720 -> 19:09.280] Gentlemen, thank you very much for joining us on Talking Ball. That's great.
[19:09.280 -> 19:10.320] Thank you. Pleasure.
[19:10.320 -> 19:11.120] See you guys.
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[19:31.960 -> 19:35.460] ♪ Won't catch me on the block but I do be real active ♪
[19:35.460 -> 19:38.120] ♪ Remember when I searched for change in the mattress ♪
[19:38.120 -> 19:41.160] ♪ Did a flip again, now the money do backflip ♪
[19:41.160 -> 19:43.960] ♪ Talk like this, say it's attractive ♪
[19:43.960 -> 19:47.000] ♪ Won't catch me on the block, but I do be real active
[19:46.000 -> 19:50.000] Remember when I searched for change in the mattress
[19:49.000 -> 19:53.000] Did a flip again, now the money do backflips
[19:52.000 -> 19:56.000] Won't catch me on the block, I got my yo on the bitch
[19:55.000 -> 19:59.000] Remember breaking pounds down in my grandma's kitchen
[19:58.000 -> 20:02.000] Now I done bossed up, making balls move
[20:01.000 -> 20:05.000] For playing with my money, I'ma off you
[20:04.000 -> 20:05.000] Bring her through the mail, bust her out the plastic Making balls move For playing with my money I'm an off you
[20:05.000 -> 20:08.000] Bring her through the mail, bust her mother plastic
[20:08.000 -> 20:14.000] Take the profit, put the profit in the mattress I'm all money in, make it do gymnastics
[20:14.000 -> 20:17.000] Playing with these bands, make them do some bad flips
[20:17.000 -> 20:22.000] All my tens, none my average Never catch me with a mutt, always keep her bad
[20:22.000 -> 20:25.680] Ever since I was a teen, I had stamina
[20:25.680 -> 20:29.120] I was serving quarter pounds after football practice
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[20:31.920 -> 20:35.440] Won't catch me on the block, but I do be real active
[20:35.440 -> 20:38.080] Remember when I searched for change in the mattress
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[20:51.400 -> 20:55.200] Okay, okay, you know I did a flip again
[20:54.400 -> 20:58.000] Turned in nothin' to somethin' since I'm ten
[20:57.000 -> 21:01.000] My uncle said, Stay off the block and play pretend
[21:00.000 -> 21:04.000] Girl, I don't wanna dream about money, I wanna win
[21:03.400 -> 21:07.400] So I quit my job and said, fuck it
[21:06.400 -> 21:10.400] I'ma chase the Benjis and leave you crabs in the bucket
[21:09.400 -> 21:13.400] I'ma go and chase after chicken just like some Stussy
[21:12.400 -> 21:16.400] The way I get to the money is straight to Stussy
[21:15.600 -> 21:18.600] I know haters wanna take my life
[21:17.600 -> 21:21.200] I know that ain't right, I know that I can barely sleep at
[21:20.200 -> 21:24.000] night, I should pray tonight, I know these bitches wanna be
[21:23.000 -> 21:25.800] my wife, That be too much strife for me
[21:25.800 -> 21:27.080] The money keep me warm
[21:27.080 -> 21:28.640] See ho, I don't mean no harm
[21:28.640 -> 21:30.040] I just talk like this
[21:30.040 -> 21:31.800] F*** say it's attractive
[21:31.800 -> 21:33.080] Won't catch me on the block
[21:33.080 -> 21:35.000] But I do be real active
[21:35.000 -> 21:37.960] Remember when I searched for change in the mattress
[21:37.960 -> 21:39.080] Did a flip again
[21:39.080 -> 21:40.920] Now the money do backflip
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