The Dutch Special

On this edition of Talking Bull from Max's home race, we hear from race winner Max Verstappen and David Coulthard about how much this track means to them. We also catchup with 2019 BMX World Champion Twan Van Gendt and Moto Artist Aras Gibieza!

Welcome to a special Dutch edition of the Talking Bull podcast. After a 36-year absence, Formula One returns to the iconic Zandvoort circuit. Join us as we explore the significance of this race for Max Verstappen, the Dutch fans, and the sport of Formula One.

**Max Verstappen's Home Race:**
- Max Verstappen's victory at the Zandvoort Grand Prix was a momentous occasion for the Dutch fans and a testament to his exceptional talent.
- The Zandvoort circuit, with its unique characteristics and elevation changes, was seen as a perfect fit for Verstappen's driving style.
- Verstappen's strong connection to the Netherlands and his passionate fan base, the "Orange Army," added to the excitement and anticipation surrounding the race.

**The Significance of the Zandvoort Circuit:**
- The Zandvoort circuit holds a special place in the history of Formula One, designed by the same architect behind Suzuka and Brands Hatch.
- The circuit's elevation changes, camber changes, and banked corners create a challenging and exhilarating track for drivers.
- The return of Formula One to Zandvoort after a long absence brought back cherished memories and a renewed sense of appreciation for the sport's rich history.

**The Orange Army's Passion for Formula One:**
- The Dutch fans, known as the "Orange Army," are renowned for their unwavering support for Max Verstappen and their enthusiasm for Formula One.
- The sea of orange-clad fans creates an electrifying atmosphere at races, adding to the spectacle and excitement of the sport.
- The Orange Army's dedication and passion for Formula One have played a significant role in growing the sport's popularity in the Netherlands.

**Max Verstappen's Pressure and Motivation:**
- Racing at his home Grand Prix brought added pressure for Max Verstappen, as he was eager to deliver a strong performance in front of his passionate fans.
- However, Verstappen's ability to handle pressure and maintain focus allowed him to overcome any nerves and deliver a dominant victory.
- Verstappen's determination to succeed and his strong mental fortitude were key factors in his triumph at Zandvoort.

**The Unique Challenges of the Zandvoort Circuit:**
- The Zandvoort circuit presented several unique challenges for the drivers, including the banked corners and the narrow nature of the track.
- The banked corners required precise line selection and control, while the narrow track layout demanded careful overtaking maneuvers.
- Drivers had to strike a balance between pushing hard and managing the risks associated with the circuit's demanding characteristics.

**The Excitement of Formula One at Zandvoort:**
- The return of Formula One to Zandvoort was met with great enthusiasm from drivers, teams, and fans alike.
- The circuit's unique layout and the passionate atmosphere created by the Orange Army made for an unforgettable race weekend.
- The Zandvoort Grand Prix showcased the thrill and excitement of Formula One, highlighting the sport's ability to captivate and entertain audiences worldwide.

**Conclusion:**
The Dutch Grand Prix at Zandvoort was a resounding success, marked by Max Verstappen's dominant victory, the unwavering support of the Orange Army, and the circuit's challenging and exhilarating layout. The race weekend served as a celebration of Dutch pride, the return of Formula One to a historic venue, and the enduring passion for the sport.

[00:00.000 -> 00:07.000] Hi there, this is Christian Horner. You've won the Austrian Grand Prix!
[00:07.000 -> 00:13.880] This is Sergio Perez. Hi, I'm Max Steppen. You are listening to Talking Bull, the official
[00:13.880 -> 00:19.280] Red Bull Racing podcast. Oh, this feels good!
[00:19.280 -> 00:29.200] Hello and welcome to a very special Dutch edition of Talking Bull. After an absence of 36 years, we're back amongst the sand dunes of Zandvoort.
[00:29.200 -> 00:34.160] It's Max's home race and he didn't disappoint the thousands of Dutch fans making up the
[00:34.160 -> 00:36.200] orange army around the track.
[00:36.200 -> 00:39.960] Well done mate, that was epic.
[00:39.960 -> 00:40.960] That was epic.
[00:40.960 -> 00:41.960] You've won your home race.
[00:41.960 -> 00:42.960] You were brilliant today.
[00:42.960 -> 00:43.960] Enjoy this lap and enjoy the podium.
[00:43.960 -> 00:44.960] Thank you very much guys.
[00:44.960 -> 00:46.120] Amazing strategy. That was epic. You've won your home race. You were brilliant today. Enjoy this lap and enjoy the podium.
[00:46.980 -> 00:48.840] Thank you very much, guys.
[00:48.840 -> 00:50.240] Amazing strategy.
[00:50.240 -> 00:52.480] You were really, really sharp today.
[00:52.480 -> 00:55.640] And nice pushing 72 laps here.
[00:55.640 -> 00:56.480] I love it.
[00:57.360 -> 00:59.000] Great job, guys.
[00:59.000 -> 00:59.920] Well done, Max.
[00:59.920 -> 01:01.000] Incredible win.
[01:01.000 -> 01:02.400] Coming up on the podcast,
[01:02.400 -> 01:03.800] we speak to Red Bull athletes
[01:03.800 -> 01:07.020] Sven van Gendtt the 2019 BMX world champion and
[01:07.380 -> 01:10.780] Aras give you a Tsar the moto artist first
[01:10.780 -> 01:15.940] It's over to max Verstappen and David Coulthard to hear about how much this track means to them
[01:16.460 -> 01:21.720] So after many many years, we're coming back to one of the truly historic venues for Grand Prix racing
[01:21.720 -> 01:26.760] This is a circuit that was designed by the same man that was behind Suzuka and also Brands Hatch.
[01:26.760 -> 01:29.780] These are two of, now this circuit as well included,
[01:29.780 -> 01:31.720] the three of the truly iconic race circuits.
[01:31.720 -> 01:33.880] They have elevation change, they have camber change,
[01:33.880 -> 01:36.360] it attacks the senses of the drivers.
[01:36.360 -> 01:39.460] If there was ever a circuit designed for Max Verstappen,
[01:39.460 -> 01:40.300] this is it.
[01:40.300 -> 01:42.420] I mean it feels good to be here now.
[01:42.420 -> 01:44.080] You know, of course it was a shame that last year
[01:44.080 -> 01:45.000] was cancelled,
[01:45.000 -> 01:50.000] but I have to say now to see the track in this state is really amazing to see.
[01:50.000 -> 01:52.000] So I'm just looking forward to getting started.
[01:52.000 -> 01:55.000] We've been lucky enough to spend quite a bit of time in Holland over the years
[01:55.000 -> 01:57.000] and race here at Zandvoort in lower formulas.
[01:57.000 -> 02:03.000] The Dutch fans are incredibly passionate about their country and about their sports stars.
[02:03.000 -> 02:07.440] Max has really captured the imagination of the nation and along with Red Bull
[02:07.440 -> 02:12.240] he has grown the Formula One fan base to the point where we not only see a sea of
[02:12.240 -> 02:15.760] orange here in Zandvoort but we see it at key races across the year.
[02:15.760 -> 02:20.960] I think in general you know Dutch people like to follow a certain driver or team
[02:20.960 -> 02:23.840] you know they always got in full force so
[02:23.840 -> 02:25.720] to finally have a home Grand Prix for sure,
[02:25.720 -> 02:28.880] people won't want to miss out on that.
[02:28.880 -> 02:30.480] I mean, of course, it's always very nice
[02:30.480 -> 02:32.680] to have a lot of fans around to support you.
[02:32.680 -> 02:36.120] It gives you a lot of motivation to do well.
[02:36.120 -> 02:38.920] I've had a few crazy moments where there was a guy,
[02:38.920 -> 02:42.520] you'll see, he tattooed all the victories on his back.
[02:42.520 -> 02:43.920] I think at the time it was five or six,
[02:43.920 -> 02:46.680] so I don't want to see his back right now.
[02:46.680 -> 02:48.340] Being at home race does definitely add
[02:48.340 -> 02:49.840] another dimension, another pressure.
[02:49.840 -> 02:52.420] Some drivers are really lifted and boosted.
[02:52.420 -> 02:55.000] You know, when I was a young guy watching Formula One,
[02:55.000 -> 02:57.520] I remember Nigel Mansell would talk about people power
[02:57.520 -> 02:59.240] and how that gave him time.
[02:59.240 -> 03:01.760] I can't say I really felt that when I raced,
[03:01.760 -> 03:02.920] but I was lucky enough to win
[03:02.920 -> 03:04.720] the British Grand Prix a couple of times.
[03:04.720 -> 03:05.760] But I also remember
[03:05.760 -> 03:07.280] being in tears of frustration,
[03:07.280 -> 03:10.400] because I wanted so badly to have a good qualifying
[03:10.400 -> 03:13.640] or to have a good race, and sometimes it doesn't work out.
[03:13.640 -> 03:15.600] So Max is a pretty cool character,
[03:15.600 -> 03:19.080] and he's very good at deflecting any sort of pressures away,
[03:19.080 -> 03:21.720] but I have to believe, he's still a young man,
[03:21.720 -> 03:23.400] he's very proud of his Dutch roots,
[03:23.400 -> 03:25.880] I have to believe there's an increased pressure at this event.
[03:25.880 -> 03:29.080] My favourite experience from here, I think, is Sector 2.
[03:29.080 -> 03:33.280] Especially in the Formula 1 car, there's so many fast corners that it's really enjoyable.
[03:33.280 -> 03:37.800] And now, of course, with the new dimension in Sector 1 and 3, with the banked corners,
[03:37.800 -> 03:41.240] I think that's going to add up to a really cool Sector 2.
[03:41.240 -> 03:44.320] Well, the banking here at Zandvoort is something like we've never seen.
[03:44.320 -> 03:46.320] It's even steeper than than would be in Indianapolis.
[03:46.320 -> 03:48.200] You know, we'd previously had a Formula One Grand Prix
[03:48.200 -> 03:50.820] there using one of the banked turns.
[03:50.820 -> 03:52.920] I think it will add another dimension to the drivers.
[03:52.920 -> 03:55.360] It gives them an opportunity to play a little bit
[03:55.360 -> 03:58.040] with lines, especially at turn three or four,
[03:58.040 -> 03:58.960] the left-hander.
[03:58.960 -> 04:01.320] The last corner, I think, is very clearly defined.
[04:01.320 -> 04:03.240] It's the shortest way around the corner
[04:03.240 -> 04:04.640] will be the quickest line.
[04:04.640 -> 04:07.320] But I think that the narrow nature of this racetrack,
[04:07.320 -> 04:09.940] the elevation change, very short lap time,
[04:09.940 -> 04:12.720] is going to make it very much attacking the senses
[04:12.720 -> 04:15.160] of the driver in the same way that a Monte Carlo would.
[04:15.160 -> 04:17.600] I think I did one or two laps with Daniel back in the day
[04:17.600 -> 04:19.440] with a caravan behind and I think,
[04:19.440 -> 04:23.040] I wasn't allowed to destroy mine so I had to drive slow,
[04:23.040 -> 04:26.000] but I think Daniel completely ripped his one apart.
[04:26.000 -> 04:29.600] So I was lucky enough to do a running show car event here with Max.
[04:29.600 -> 04:35.600] I remember we went out behind the main pits and out into the sand dunes
[04:35.600 -> 04:39.920] and Max took off and I was really worried because I thought we should build up
[04:39.920 -> 04:42.000] and get a fuel for the car and the circuit.
[04:42.000 -> 04:45.800] And I thought I'm going to come around the corner and find bits of race car lying around,
[04:45.800 -> 04:47.320] but no, not at all.
[04:47.320 -> 04:50.820] This is Max Verstappen, he's committed, he's fast,
[04:51.880 -> 04:53.760] he's got skills that I can only dream of,
[04:53.760 -> 04:56.840] and for him it was just normal to go flat out straight away.
[04:56.840 -> 04:58.480] I always have to try and do the best I can
[04:58.480 -> 05:01.680] in terms of race result, so it doesn't matter
[05:01.680 -> 05:04.680] if it's a home Grand Prix or not.
[05:04.680 -> 05:06.360] I'm just going to try to
[05:06.360 -> 05:09.560] enjoy the whole weekend with all the fans around.
[05:09.560 -> 05:14.520] And that he did. He brought the victory home for all of the Dutch fans. They'll be partying
[05:14.520 -> 05:19.480] for days after that win. Well done, Max. Now on Talking Ball, we'd like to introduce you
[05:19.480 -> 05:25.120] to other areas of the Red Bull world. We sent Rasheed to have a chat with BMX World Champion
[05:25.120 -> 05:31.760] Zwan van Gent and Moto Artist Arras Gibijaja. Over to you chaps. So it's the Dutch special of
[05:31.760 -> 05:37.360] the Talking Bull podcast and I'm joined by two of Red Bull's finest athletes on two wheels,
[05:37.360 -> 05:46.360] both of them. Zwan van Gent, he is the 2019 BMX World Champion and Aras Gibiagia is a motorcycle stunt rider.
[05:46.360 -> 05:51.440] Toine, let's start with you. You must have a love for speed. Where did that come from?
[05:51.440 -> 05:58.360] Good question. I think over the years when I started racing BMX, the speed
[05:58.360 -> 06:06.060] got higher and since I was 16 the sport got Olympic back in 2008 and then
[06:07.020 -> 06:13.020] 8 meter high start ramp got introduced and we hit like 60k an hour on a 20-inch bike
[06:13.020 -> 06:18.280] It's and you can imagine the bike is like no suspension. It's really nervous and
[06:18.900 -> 06:24.380] It's yeah, it's really small. So the sport got quicker in in quick succession then
[06:24.420 -> 06:25.840] Yeah, actually yeah it did
[06:25.840 -> 06:32.400] because of the Olympics need to be on a parking lot, like you can build a track on a parking lot
[06:32.400 -> 06:37.840] so they introduced a high ramp to increase the speed and well increasing the speed the
[06:37.840 -> 06:44.640] gyms got bigger, the speed got higher obviously and the level got up because it was Olympics.
[06:44.640 -> 06:45.600] I know that you like
[06:45.600 -> 06:49.760] things on four wheels as well which includes Formula One. Do you remember
[06:49.760 -> 06:54.240] when you started following the sport? Yeah around 10, 11 back in the day with
[06:54.240 -> 06:59.040] Schumacher which evolving in my own sport didn't watch it like that much
[06:59.040 -> 07:04.120] anymore and then yeah Max came around and then yeah following it every year
[07:04.120 -> 07:05.240] since.
[07:05.240 -> 07:07.800] Arras, I'm assuming two wheels is better than four
[07:07.800 -> 07:08.960] in your opinion.
[07:08.960 -> 07:11.520] Ha ha ha, it depends what you like.
[07:11.520 -> 07:12.780] I like both.
[07:12.780 -> 07:15.980] Everything what's with the engine is in my blood.
[07:15.980 -> 07:19.040] So where did the love for speed come from in your case?
[07:19.040 -> 07:21.760] Hard to say actually, maybe from my father.
[07:21.760 -> 07:24.760] He was the, maybe even from his father
[07:24.760 -> 07:29.120] because he was running the bicycle national team
[07:29.120 -> 07:33.840] of Lithuania, yeah, and my father was sort of racing
[07:33.840 -> 07:36.800] with the bicycles, but not for very long
[07:36.800 -> 07:38.640] and not very professional.
[07:38.640 -> 07:43.640] Maybe from that side, the love for speed came.
[07:43.640 -> 07:45.480] Now it seems to be that the Dutch have a love
[07:45.480 -> 07:50.600] for speed as well because wherever the F1 circus goes to you see orange fans
[07:50.600 -> 07:54.400] you see them in Hungary, you see them in Belgium, you see them in Austria. You were
[07:54.400 -> 07:59.640] at the Dutch Grand Prix on your stunt bike I suppose I should call it
[07:59.640 -> 08:03.160] performing in front of the Dutch audience the Orange Army. What was that
[08:03.160 -> 08:05.080] like? It's amazing.
[08:05.080 -> 08:06.880] It's amazing, actually.
[08:06.880 -> 08:11.760] It's been such a long time, I haven't seen so many people in one place,
[08:11.760 -> 08:15.960] and now, here at the grandstand, you can see like,
[08:15.960 -> 08:19.360] I don't know how many of them, but it was full, full, full house.
[08:19.360 -> 08:21.160] And it's amazing, because
[08:21.160 -> 08:24.160] for me, the best feedback you can get from the people,
[08:24.160 -> 08:25.240] it's their smiling faces, this is the best for me the best feedback you can get from the people it's their
[08:25.240 -> 08:29.800] smiling faces this is the best for me you know I'm doing my stunts and people
[08:29.800 -> 08:34.240] clapping and screaming and I can hear it even if the engine is on and the helmet
[08:34.240 -> 08:40.120] it's unbelievable. Let's just listen at what that engine sounds like.
[08:52.200 -> 08:54.000] And you're telling us that you can actually see the audience smiling because you do 360s all the time, but you can still see the people.
[08:54.000 -> 08:55.000] Yeah, exactly.
[08:55.000 -> 09:02.200] When I'm doing the Christ on the tank, like a stand like this, I can see the people because
[09:02.200 -> 09:07.480] I'm waving, shaking hands, and it's kind of my relax trick.
[09:07.480 -> 09:10.360] So you stand on a motorcycle to relax?
[09:10.360 -> 09:17.280] Stand for the trick, but it's also my relax trick because it only takes the balance so
[09:17.280 -> 09:18.760] you can rest a little bit.
[09:18.760 -> 09:23.680] Otherwise, when you're doing wheelies, stoppies, drifting, you need a lot of, it requires a
[09:23.680 -> 09:31.720] lot of power and the pressure to keep the bike in control so once I'm doing the Christ on the on tank I can
[09:31.720 -> 09:34.120] wave and I can just play with the audience.
[09:34.120 -> 09:37.720] Twan I'm wondering what is the power of something like the Orange Army for
[09:37.720 -> 09:42.320] example you were in Tokyo of course and there weren't a lot of people there in
[09:42.320 -> 09:46.520] the audience if any is that much different than when there are fans,
[09:46.520 -> 09:47.520] people cheering you on?
[09:47.520 -> 09:48.840] Yeah, I think it is.
[09:48.840 -> 09:52.440] When you're riding a really important race
[09:52.440 -> 09:54.720] and there are no people cheering for you,
[09:54.720 -> 09:59.720] it feels more like training with a few false guys.
[10:00.240 -> 10:02.540] And there is a medal at the line,
[10:02.540 -> 10:08.400] but it's different at that point, if I compare it to other Olympics.
[10:08.400 -> 10:13.200] If I look back to London 2012, a lot of Dutch people were there as well.
[10:13.200 -> 10:25.760] And the stands were packed and then the feeling, the atmosphere, you get kind of song, yeah, kind of wings and yeah you can perform like a lot better than
[10:25.760 -> 10:32.260] yeah I can, than without. And does it matter what kind of audience it is? Do
[10:32.260 -> 10:38.760] you like seek out the orange people? It's more the reaction of the people and
[10:38.760 -> 10:46.880] the love for the sport they're watching and yeah yeah, but if it's orange, it's always better.
[10:46.880 -> 10:48.680] Yeah, of course, of course.
[10:48.680 -> 10:51.760] So we mentioned Formula One already.
[10:51.760 -> 10:55.380] You were, I guess, so watching maybe about 20 years now.
[10:56.480 -> 10:59.520] When did you first become aware of Max?
[10:59.520 -> 11:03.960] I never followed the other classes like below Formula One.
[11:03.960 -> 11:08.880] So in the years Max got up, up, up in the ranks,
[11:08.880 -> 11:11.520] I was more focusing on myself.
[11:11.520 -> 11:14.280] And when he arrived in Formula One,
[11:14.280 -> 11:16.640] I was totally back into it.
[11:16.640 -> 11:18.000] Like that's more like it.
[11:18.000 -> 11:20.600] So 2015, he joined Toro Rosso,
[11:20.600 -> 11:23.680] that's when you got back into the F1 groove basically.
[11:23.680 -> 11:24.500] Yeah.
[11:24.500 -> 11:25.560] Great.
[11:25.560 -> 11:26.560] Ross, what about you?
[11:26.560 -> 11:29.560] What do you think of this Max mania that you experienced in the Dutch Grand Prix?
[11:29.560 -> 11:30.560] It's amazing.
[11:30.560 -> 11:36.960] It's amazing to have such a talented guy in your country and after 35 years to bring back
[11:36.960 -> 11:41.720] the Grand Prix, I can just imagine it's unbelievable.
[11:41.720 -> 11:47.680] And I met Max first when he was step up from the Toro Rosso to Red Bull Racing Team
[11:47.680 -> 11:53.040] and he had a show run here at the track and I was performing as well after he just won
[11:53.040 -> 11:54.280] his first race.
[11:54.280 -> 11:55.280] Right.
[11:55.280 -> 11:56.280] Yeah, it was cool.
[11:56.280 -> 11:57.280] Yeah.
[11:57.280 -> 12:03.120] So since then I am in love with his riding style and it's just not his riding style.
[12:03.120 -> 12:07.400] It's maybe about his character and all the Dutch fans surrounding him.
[12:07.400 -> 12:10.920] He's huge and this is really important for the country.
[12:10.920 -> 12:17.400] You mentioned his first victory, you guys both wondering, do you remember where you were when that first victory came?
[12:17.400 -> 12:18.600] Not really.
[12:18.600 -> 12:19.800] Do you, Toine?
[12:19.800 -> 12:21.320] Sitting at home, watching TV.
[12:21.320 -> 12:22.120] You were watching it?
[12:22.120 -> 12:23.400] Yeah, I was watching it.
[12:23.400 -> 12:25.320] And he stepped up to the team, of course.
[12:25.320 -> 12:27.280] Did you expect anything like that?
[12:27.280 -> 12:29.280] Well, after the first turn, yeah.
[12:29.280 -> 12:36.280] After the first turn, obviously the Mercedes were qualified, B1 and B2.
[12:36.280 -> 12:42.280] Max was right behind and you had the feeling like maybe, maybe finally a Dutchman can do it.
[12:42.280 -> 12:45.080] And he just did it first time around.
[12:45.080 -> 12:50.840] And do you think that's an important start for the Orange Army to turn up now at all these races?
[12:50.840 -> 12:52.960] I think something has to do with it, yeah.
[12:52.960 -> 12:59.400] Like, we know he can do it, and he proved himself like so many times already now.
[12:59.400 -> 13:05.520] But actually winning a Grand Prix first time in the Red Bull Racing Car is
[13:06.120 -> 13:09.640] It's huge to do something like that with so much pressure.
[13:09.640 -> 13:12.640] Arosa, are you a regular viewer of Formula One now?
[13:12.640 -> 13:17.600] Yeah, yeah, I'm trying I'm trying to watch it all the time. Also love MotoGP
[13:18.080 -> 13:20.840] Watch the MotoGP as well. Of course. Every race
[13:22.160 -> 13:27.520] Yeah, and the Formula One as well, but if we are happening at the same time,
[13:27.520 -> 13:28.920] I'll choose the MotoGP.
[13:28.920 -> 13:33.360] Yeah, but the Formula One, I'm a big, big fan of it, definitely.
[13:33.360 -> 13:39.120] Twan, I have to ask, do you think this is the year that the Orange Army will get its
[13:39.120 -> 13:40.360] own world champion?
[13:40.360 -> 13:41.360] Yeah, yeah.
[13:41.360 -> 13:51.080] I have the feeling the whole year actually and even with the bad luck he has this year his mental game is so strong and
[13:52.180 -> 13:57.080] Yeah, it's just really unfortunate what happened with the with the flat tire at the end like
[13:57.820 -> 14:01.800] winning the Grand Prix like practically and then you get like a flat tire you're done and
[14:02.280 -> 14:05.120] Two times didn't finish and all the other races,
[14:05.120 -> 14:08.240] he was so good, so consistent, so relaxed.
[14:08.240 -> 14:11.120] And he still is after those two setbacks
[14:11.120 -> 14:12.880] and giving away the point lead.
[14:12.880 -> 14:16.640] So yeah, I'm really confident in Max this year.
[14:16.640 -> 14:19.160] Okay, well, we all hope you're right, of course.
[14:19.160 -> 14:21.120] Arasi, you have any crystal ball views
[14:21.120 -> 14:23.960] on whether the team will become world champion?
[14:23.960 -> 14:25.840] Yeah, I hope so. I hope so.
[14:25.840 -> 14:31.320] And it looks like it really can happen this year because he is very fast, as always, and
[14:31.320 -> 14:35.560] Dakar is also seems working really good this year.
[14:35.560 -> 14:42.240] So they both are together, so it might be something really special for Max and Dutch
[14:42.240 -> 14:43.640] fans this year.
[14:43.640 -> 14:46.200] I'm just wondering, you guys stand in the
[14:46.200 -> 14:51.100] spotlight, you have often an arena of people around you, is there anything that
[14:51.100 -> 14:56.700] maybe an Orange fan or any other fan did that that you remember that stood out
[14:56.700 -> 15:00.400] because they did something crazy in the crowd while you were actually performing?
[15:00.400 -> 15:05.780] Is there something in your mind that comes up? Yeah, well, it's 2019. What happened?
[15:05.780 -> 15:10.460] I had a bus load with friends with me there in Zolder.
[15:10.460 -> 15:15.200] And one of the guys screamed through our start signal.
[15:15.200 -> 15:17.800] And it's like a voice you remember.
[15:17.800 -> 15:19.360] You recognize the voice.
[15:19.360 -> 15:21.840] You recognize the voice, so it comes true.
[15:21.840 -> 15:25.480] And it set me off completely in quarterfinals.
[15:25.480 -> 15:26.960] So he messed you up.
[15:26.960 -> 15:30.880] No, eventually it didn't really mess me up
[15:30.880 -> 15:32.920] because I still won at the end,
[15:32.920 -> 15:35.600] but in the quarterfinals I didn't have my best game.
[15:35.600 -> 15:39.760] And then I really, I set my coach to call them
[15:39.760 -> 15:43.360] and like, hey, KB, please be quiet at the start
[15:43.360 -> 15:46.000] because they were like right next to the hill.
[15:46.000 -> 15:50.760] So yeah, they shut up for the rest of the race,
[15:50.760 -> 15:55.400] but during and before, it just gives you a boost.
[15:55.400 -> 15:58.480] Twan, I'm wondering about the Dutch Grand Prix,
[15:58.480 -> 15:59.800] do you remember what you thought
[15:59.800 -> 16:02.560] when it was confirmed that it was going to happen?
[16:02.560 -> 16:03.760] I need to be there.
[16:03.760 -> 16:05.840] That's the first thing you thought, give me the tickets.
[16:05.840 -> 16:08.560] Not like that, not necessarily give me the tickets,
[16:08.560 -> 16:10.320] but like, I need to be there.
[16:10.320 -> 16:12.320] It's something really special,
[16:12.320 -> 16:14.560] and especially when Max is performing
[16:14.560 -> 16:17.440] with the Red Bull Card, he's so good this year.
[16:17.440 -> 16:19.720] You have to be there as a Dutch fan.
[16:19.720 -> 16:21.480] How important is Max to the Netherlands,
[16:21.480 -> 16:23.080] you think, as a Dutchman?
[16:23.080 -> 16:29.360] Since soccer isn't going that well the last couple of years, I think it's bonding, the
[16:29.360 -> 16:36.440] sport is still bonding and Max is the replacement of soccer the last couple of years.
[16:36.440 -> 16:41.600] It's one of the reasons so many fans, I think, are there because he is performing really
[16:41.600 -> 16:45.600] well and it's always better to cheer for somebody
[16:45.600 -> 16:48.180] who's performing really well at the end.
[16:48.180 -> 16:51.040] And yeah, who has a shot at a world title
[16:51.040 -> 16:54.760] than a soccer team who has the potential
[16:54.760 -> 16:58.340] but doesn't show it still after a couple years
[16:58.340 -> 17:01.600] and is getting frustrated a little bit.
[17:01.600 -> 17:03.760] Because you know they can play so much better
[17:03.760 -> 17:05.140] than maybe they do now
[17:05.140 -> 17:11.880] But yeah, what do you think are us is it has it got anything to do with the world championship chances that max has currently?
[17:11.880 -> 17:16.880] Yeah, yeah for sure for sure. I think so. He's very big I can imagine
[17:17.280 -> 17:21.360] He's like you said he changing a soccer it it might be the biggest
[17:22.160 -> 17:25.000] Sportsman in in the whole Netherlands.
[17:25.720 -> 17:29.880] It's really huge and to have such a fans like he has,
[17:29.880 -> 17:30.720] he's the best.
[17:30.720 -> 17:31.760] You're from Lithuania.
[17:31.760 -> 17:32.600] Yeah.
[17:32.600 -> 17:33.420] Do they know him, you think?
[17:33.420 -> 17:36.780] Is Formula One a much viewed sport in Lithuania?
[17:36.780 -> 17:38.560] It's kind of popular.
[17:38.560 -> 17:40.760] We have on TV.
[17:40.760 -> 17:43.440] So it means it's pretty popular.
[17:43.440 -> 17:44.280] Sure.
[17:44.280 -> 17:45.120] Yeah.
[17:45.120 -> 17:46.180] And they will probably know him?
[17:46.180 -> 17:47.280] Yeah, definitely.
[17:47.280 -> 17:48.960] But the ones who watch it,
[17:48.960 -> 17:52.040] or at least a little bit following Formula One,
[17:52.040 -> 17:53.040] we know for sure.
[17:53.040 -> 17:53.880] All right.
[17:53.880 -> 17:54.700] Quite impressive.
[17:54.700 -> 17:56.380] Did you also actually, Twan, follow,
[17:56.380 -> 17:57.740] because Max is, of course,
[17:57.740 -> 18:00.040] from a tradition of Verstappen drivers,
[18:00.040 -> 18:01.840] did you follow his father as well?
[18:01.840 -> 18:06.820] Yeah, I saw him in the orange car in the grid
[18:07.100 -> 18:09.960] quite often after a few laps.
[18:09.960 -> 18:14.960] But he did really something special as well, I think.
[18:14.960 -> 18:19.960] He's been like the one who did it,
[18:21.320 -> 18:23.340] yeah, I don't know if it's the first one,
[18:23.340 -> 18:27.360] but for my time when I'm alive
[18:27.360 -> 18:34.720] I know you also stop it was the first and familiar one and now to see his son following his footsteps and
[18:35.160 -> 18:40.040] Yeah, it's the better version of himself. He was a really talented driver as well
[18:40.040 -> 18:51.600] And I just when I walk in I walked walked him and just yeah good luck this weekend and he's a really humble man and I like that a lot.
[18:51.600 -> 18:52.600] Proud father for sure.
[18:52.600 -> 18:55.600] Yeah proud father for sure and nervous father as well.
[18:55.600 -> 19:04.000] Do you think the Orange Army changed much between when Max's dad Jos was driving and now that Max is driving himself?
[19:04.000 -> 19:08.000] I don't think it's changed, it just got a lot bigger.
[19:08.000 -> 19:16.000] The fans are there and always been there and now just a lot more people get to see the charm of the sport because of Max.
[19:16.000 -> 19:23.000] And that's a really special thing to do for a guy who's 23 years old.
[19:23.000 -> 19:25.440] Or 24, depending on, okay, that's old.
[19:25.440 -> 19:27.040] His birthday is pretty soon.
[19:27.040 -> 19:27.880] So.
[19:27.880 -> 19:28.700] Yeah, okay.
[19:28.700 -> 19:29.540] They're gonna come to my party.
[19:29.540 -> 19:33.200] For a mid 20 year old, he's doing like such an incredible
[19:33.200 -> 19:35.520] thing for the whole country.
[19:35.520 -> 19:38.920] Yeah, if you look at how it is in the middle of now,
[19:38.920 -> 19:41.920] it's impressive worldwide, what he's doing.
[19:41.920 -> 19:44.240] A final question I have for both of you.
[19:44.240 -> 19:46.000] You are mega stars on two wheels,
[19:46.000 -> 19:49.440] would you ever trade the two wheels for four wheels, or us?
[19:49.440 -> 19:53.680] It depends what level and if I can perform good,
[19:53.680 -> 19:56.480] because I really enjoy two wheels.
[19:56.480 -> 19:59.920] I used to racing actually, but I was a bit too big
[19:59.920 -> 20:01.880] and too heavy for the racing,
[20:01.880 -> 20:05.000] and results weren't that great
[20:05.280 -> 20:07.840] as in stunt riding, so I choose stunt riding
[20:07.840 -> 20:10.440] and I found a big, big passion in myself for it.
[20:10.440 -> 20:12.920] So I don't know, if I could trade it,
[20:12.920 -> 20:16.520] it really depends of how would I feel it if I tried.
[20:16.520 -> 20:18.600] So you're open to going to four wheels
[20:18.600 -> 20:20.120] depending on the opportunity.
[20:20.120 -> 20:21.480] Yeah, but not now maybe.
[20:22.520 -> 20:23.720] Not right now, so how about you, Twan,
[20:23.720 -> 20:26.000] because you said you're going to quit BMX. Yeah, but I now maybe. Not right now. So how about you, Twan? Because you said, you know, you're going to quit BMX.
[20:26.560 -> 20:28.320] Yeah, but I'm sticking to wheels.
[20:28.320 -> 20:29.360] Yeah, two wheels definitely.
[20:29.360 -> 20:32.400] I only swapped two wheels before to drive towards the races.
[20:32.400 -> 20:34.200] To do races with two wheels.
[20:34.200 -> 20:34.700] Yeah.
[20:34.700 -> 20:37.400] All right. Okay, guys. Thank you so much for joining us today.
[20:37.400 -> 20:38.400] Thank you guys.
[20:38.400 -> 20:38.900] Thank you too.
[20:38.900 -> 20:40.400] Great to hear from the lads there.
[20:40.400 -> 20:44.900] Let us know if you decide to swap for four wheels and we'll let you have a run around the track.
[20:44.960 -> 20:45.340] That's it for this special Dutch edition of Talking Bull. Lads there, let us know if you decide to swap for four wheels and we'll let you have a run around the track.
[20:45.340 -> 20:48.600] That's it for this special Dutch edition of Talking Bull.
[20:48.600 -> 20:50.640] Keep up with all the latest from the team
[20:50.640 -> 20:53.400] over on our socials at redbullracing.com.
[20:53.400 -> 20:56.160] From here, we head straight on to Italy
[20:56.160 -> 20:58.000] for the next race weekend.
[20:58.000 -> 20:59.680] Until then, take care.
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