Talking Bull Down Under

This is an all Aussie special edition of Talking Bull! Before the cancellation of the Australian Grand Prix we caught up with Max Verstappen and Alex Albon while getting stuck into some Aussie activities on Melbourne’s Station Pier, we speak to Red Bull Holden Supercars legends Jamie Whincup and Shane Van Gisbergen, plus we speak with the Doohans to finish this epic episode.

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[00:00.000 -> 00:03.440] Hi there, this is Christian Horner.
[00:03.440 -> 00:06.440] You've won the Austrian Grand Prix!
[00:06.440 -> 00:08.440] Hi, it's Alex Albon.
[00:08.440 -> 00:12.440] Hi, I'm Max Verstappen and you're listening to the Aston Martin Red Bull Racing podcast.
[00:12.440 -> 00:15.440] Oh, this feels good!
[00:17.440 -> 00:22.240] Welcome back to Talking Bull, the official podcast of the Aston Martin Red Bull Racing
[00:22.240 -> 00:23.240] Formula 1 team.
[00:23.240 -> 00:25.160] And this episode of Talking Bull
[00:25.160 -> 00:27.400] comes to you at unprecedented times,
[00:27.400 -> 00:29.320] but hopefully this Aussie special
[00:29.320 -> 00:30.960] gives you a little bit of light relief.
[00:30.960 -> 00:33.320] Right before the cancellation of the Australian Grand Prix,
[00:33.320 -> 00:35.840] we were lucky enough to sample some Aussie culture
[00:35.840 -> 00:38.120] and catch up with the Red Bull Holden Racing
[00:38.120 -> 00:41.340] Supercar Legends Jamie Wincup and Shane Van Gisbergen.
[00:41.340 -> 00:42.720] And right before we had to practice
[00:42.720 -> 00:44.480] some extreme social distancing,
[00:44.480 -> 00:46.600] we were able to get Mick Doon and son Jack
[00:46.600 -> 00:49.680] into the studio to talk a little bit about Mick's career
[00:49.680 -> 00:52.720] and how that now translates into mentoring his son
[00:52.720 -> 00:54.520] through the Red Bull Junior Program.
[00:54.520 -> 00:56.220] While we didn't get to race at Alba Park,
[00:56.220 -> 00:59.520] we're still so stoked that we can share some classic tales
[00:59.520 -> 01:02.840] from these Aussie motorsport legends to help you get by.
[01:02.840 -> 01:04.340] First though, it's over to the Bulls
[01:04.340 -> 01:08.480] who got stuck into some true blue Aussie activities on Melbourne's Station Pier.
[01:08.480 -> 01:12.440] Alex Albon mate, what went down here for the listeners? It's quite a visual
[01:12.440 -> 01:16.440] spectacle which people can watch on YouTube but for the listeners what went
[01:16.440 -> 01:22.400] down here today? We ate Weetabix, we ate hot dogs and we hung up our laundry and
[01:22.400 -> 01:25.840] that was pretty much the day. It was exciting I
[01:25.840 -> 01:30.560] feel like it was maybe a Red Bull people trying to tell us to do our chores I
[01:30.560 -> 01:34.320] don't know what was going on but it was fun. We drove some Eskis I think that's
[01:34.320 -> 01:39.720] what they're called and for people who don't know it's a cool box with an
[01:39.720 -> 01:44.400] engine on the back and it was a lot of fun. We drove a mini Albert Park
[01:44.400 -> 01:45.920] and we had a couple of competitions and I lost so a lot of fun. We drove a mini Albert Park and we had a couple
[01:45.920 -> 01:49.520] of competitions and I lost, so a little bit disappointed.
[01:49.520 -> 01:51.640] Got a few excuses up my sleeve.
[01:51.640 -> 01:53.680] I'm gonna jump in here on the loss.
[01:53.680 -> 01:56.680] I'm not gonna say you lost, I'm just gonna say
[01:56.680 -> 01:58.040] I don't know if Max won.
[01:58.040 -> 02:00.960] So what do we, there was a couple of interesting
[02:00.960 -> 02:03.340] line selections, there was a bit going on out there.
[02:03.340 -> 02:07.400] I think we'll need to review it with the F8, I feel like there was a little bit of
[02:07.400 -> 02:14.200] track limits and also Max didn't do his laundry which doesn't surprise me to be
[02:14.200 -> 02:17.600] honest, I never saw him as a guy who does his laundry but it was a bit
[02:17.600 -> 02:21.640] disappointing yeah. Yeah look I'm on your side with this one I really think that
[02:21.640 -> 02:27.200] there was some questionable manoeuvres out there and we will be hearing from Race Control. Yeah I hope we
[02:27.200 -> 02:32.540] review it obviously up to the guys back at the stewarding desk I don't know who
[02:32.540 -> 02:38.640] that is maybe the maybe the fans can decide. We also had a bit of a pretty rad
[02:38.640 -> 02:42.960] host out here today can you can you tell us who was leading the charge here
[02:42.960 -> 02:48.800] Scotty Scotty James the great man, one of the Aussie icons in the snowboard world.
[02:48.800 -> 02:51.360] Yeah, it was very cool.
[02:51.360 -> 02:57.000] Obviously, it wasn't any of our sport, but he clearly had all the slang down.
[02:57.000 -> 02:59.420] So he was telling us stuff which we had no idea what was going on.
[02:59.420 -> 03:01.240] And then a hot dog arrived to our face.
[03:01.240 -> 03:02.240] What did you call it?
[03:02.240 -> 03:06.120] A sausage sizzler, but also a snag.
[03:06.120 -> 03:07.240] Yeah, a snag on bread.
[03:07.240 -> 03:08.840] You ever heard of Bunnings?
[03:08.840 -> 03:10.320] Do you have Bunnings in the UK?
[03:10.320 -> 03:11.160] What's that?
[03:11.160 -> 03:13.320] So Bunnings is like our big hardware store,
[03:13.320 -> 03:16.080] and it's famous for basically every Saturday morning
[03:16.080 -> 03:18.920] you go there, it's two bucks, snag on bread.
[03:18.920 -> 03:20.520] A hardware store and it sells hot dogs?
[03:20.520 -> 03:21.360] Yeah, every day.
[03:21.360 -> 03:23.960] It's like Ikea for us then, without meatballs.
[03:23.960 -> 03:25.000] Yeah, kind of.
[03:25.000 -> 03:27.000] But it's just like pretty much the most Australian thing you can do.
[03:27.000 -> 03:29.000] You know what is also overrated in Australia?
[03:29.000 -> 03:30.000] Overrated?
[03:30.000 -> 03:31.000] Be careful.
[03:31.000 -> 03:32.000] Overrated?
[03:32.000 -> 03:36.000] Ah, it's like what we have as a chocolate penguin.
[03:36.000 -> 03:37.000] Tim Tams.
[03:37.000 -> 03:39.000] You kidding right now?
[03:39.000 -> 03:42.000] The most overrated product.
[03:42.000 -> 03:46.000] You're so close to water.
[03:46.000 -> 03:50.000] For people listening, we could literally push you off the edge of the water.
[03:50.000 -> 03:54.000] I've heard a lot of hype, obviously.
[03:54.000 -> 03:58.000] Ever since I've come into Formula 1, Tim Thames has been mentioned a few times. I think we have a few people
[03:58.000 -> 04:02.000] from down under in Formula 1. And all I can say is
[04:02.000 -> 04:05.100] it doesn't work, it doesn't taste any better if you drink
[04:05.100 -> 04:09.720] it through milk. That's all we've got time for today.
[04:09.720 -> 04:14.480] Now look I'm down with the dry wheat mix the dry wheat mix call is complete you
[04:14.480 -> 04:18.520] completely find the hate that bit of Tim Tam. Is a dry wheat mix a thing? You
[04:18.520 -> 04:28.160] call it wheat mix? Yeah. Couldn't have time to say wheatah but but what is do you eat it dry no okay okay well that's
[04:28.160 -> 04:31.320] that makes me feel a little bit better but I'm still a little bit hung over
[04:31.320 -> 04:36.360] there Tim times so we're on the pier right now in Melbourne have you ever
[04:36.360 -> 04:41.600] heard about the kind of ridiculousness of the weather in Melbourne because I
[04:41.600 -> 04:45.680] woke up today and I am absolutely stunned I can see six
[04:45.680 -> 04:49.280] clouds and it's one of the best days I've ever experienced in Melbourne so
[04:49.280 -> 04:52.220] Melbourne really turned it on for this oh I'm not even joking this is it like
[04:52.220 -> 04:56.800] out of control good weather. Wow okay yeah it's interesting I mean for us it's
[04:56.800 -> 05:02.280] it feels good but we're from the UK so everything feels everything feels warmer
[05:02.280 -> 05:09.200] yeah I suppose I'm talking to someone from the UK like for us I kind of just of just, if I come to live, like I'm in Australia, I just expect good weather all the time.
[05:09.200 -> 05:11.200] That's like part of the reason to live here, right?
[05:11.200 -> 05:13.600] For us, Melbourne is one of the best cities we go to.
[05:13.600 -> 05:15.600] And weather obviously has a big part of that.
[05:15.600 -> 05:22.000] And I think we're just in a position where even when you guys think it's bad weather, it's good weather for us.
[05:22.000 -> 05:25.920] What's some of the stuff that you look forward to when you come to a city like Melbourne?
[05:25.920 -> 05:30.280] Do you have stops on the series where you're like, oh I'm really excited when I go here
[05:30.280 -> 05:31.800] because I get to do this?
[05:31.800 -> 05:37.280] Do you have, is there any like, I guess, your guide to living a good life in Melbourne for
[05:37.280 -> 05:38.640] the weekend that you're here?
[05:38.640 -> 05:40.320] There's a few things.
[05:40.320 -> 05:42.240] Food is really top.
[05:42.240 -> 05:45.040] I'm not sure how it compares to other Australian cities but maybe it's just
[05:45.040 -> 05:50.400] Australia. The food is really good here and it's very cultural so you can have like good Asian food,
[05:50.400 -> 05:54.000] good Italian food, good Australian food but I've never had Australian food so...
[05:55.360 -> 06:00.000] You had some but you didn't like it. Yeah I'm talking about like the real deal. I'm not being
[06:00.000 -> 06:06.640] served Tim Tams at a restaurant I hope anyway but. But yeah, I'd say the food, the coffee and
[06:06.640 -> 06:11.600] your brunches. We tend to at least do that for the first two days and then by the time
[06:11.600 -> 06:16.440] the weekend starts we're actually fad out and we don't get to see much of the place.
[06:16.440 -> 06:22.760] So racing wise, obviously, first round of the season, so much goes into it. Does doing
[06:22.760 -> 06:26.480] this kind of fun stuff on the Wednesday before,
[06:26.480 -> 06:29.680] does it kind of, does it lead you guys nicely into the weekend?
[06:29.680 -> 06:32.960] Yeah, I mean it helps that we drove the track as well a little bit, we drove a mini version
[06:32.960 -> 06:38.600] of it so we can get our eye in. But it is nice, I think that's one of the perks with
[06:38.600 -> 06:41.960] Red Bull, we get to do crazy weird stuff like this, and fun stuff.
[06:41.960 -> 06:44.840] Alright, well we'll leave it there mate. Did you win that race, Max?
[06:44.840 -> 06:45.600] Of course. So, fair and square, it there mate. Did you win that race Max? Of course.
[06:45.600 -> 06:49.400] So fair and square, like a full fair win in your books?
[06:49.400 -> 06:52.400] The track did change a little bit for us, lap after lap.
[06:52.400 -> 06:56.400] I think Max did about 300 metres less than me.
[06:56.400 -> 06:57.400] That's all I'm going to say.
[06:57.400 -> 07:03.400] I did one lap and I already had to change my chassis so the chain came off so it's not very lovely.
[07:03.400 -> 07:12.720] I'm going to make the excuse I think Max said about 0.5 more horsepower, which in these things is like double the engine. Yeah, but you're bigger. I'm bigger
[07:13.480 -> 07:15.480] What are you trying to say?
[07:15.920 -> 07:20.360] Pout away when you got two horsepower bro that that extra weight matters. Thanks for joining us brother
[07:21.040 -> 07:25.560] Righto Max, how are you mate? Not too bad, not too bad. Can't complain.
[07:25.560 -> 07:26.560] Good win today.
[07:26.560 -> 07:30.760] Is it under, have you heard if it's under race review still or is this just a clear
[07:30.760 -> 07:31.760] win?
[07:31.760 -> 07:32.760] I think it was fair and square.
[07:32.760 -> 07:35.520] So the race win bonus will still be getting paid out to you for this?
[07:35.520 -> 07:37.440] Unfortunately there is no bonus attached to this.
[07:37.440 -> 07:38.440] I heard there was.
[07:38.440 -> 07:39.440] Not for me.
[07:39.440 -> 07:42.120] We need a Red Bull guys, is there a bonus for this?
[07:42.120 -> 07:43.840] I'm getting a Red Bull, for free.
[07:43.840 -> 07:46.000] It's always very nice, right?
[07:46.000 -> 07:49.000] So paint the picture of exactly what went down here today
[07:49.000 -> 07:52.000] for this little Wednesday morning get-together.
[07:52.000 -> 07:55.000] Obvious that you guys are quite competitive
[07:55.000 -> 07:57.000] even when racing in Eski.
[07:57.000 -> 08:00.000] Yeah, I think that is in our nature.
[08:00.000 -> 08:03.000] Everybody is like that when you are racing.
[08:03.000 -> 08:05.460] I mean, it's fun, but of course you still that you don't want to lose
[08:05.500 -> 08:07.680] But yeah, it's good. It's a lot of fun
[08:08.140 -> 08:10.140] It's a bit different to our normal
[08:10.280 -> 08:15.260] Let's say media days and stuff. So I actually really enjoyed this and I think it was a really nice event
[08:15.260 -> 08:21.620] They even put out a Melbourne look-alike track. So there was a lot of effort going into it and I think that's very nice
[08:21.620 -> 08:27.100] We also had Scotty James here as a host leading you through all things Australiana.
[08:27.100 -> 08:32.640] Did you enjoy, Alex was actually talking on the Tim Tam, were you not a fan of the Tim
[08:32.640 -> 08:33.640] Tam?
[08:33.640 -> 08:35.640] I would say it was interesting, yeah.
[08:35.640 -> 08:36.640] Just interesting?
[08:36.640 -> 08:37.640] Yeah, very interesting.
[08:37.640 -> 08:39.580] It's a very un-Australian thing to say.
[08:39.580 -> 08:43.380] I know you're not Australian but it's quite, you know, most people are like, oh yeah, we
[08:43.380 -> 08:48.700] enjoy clogs, we like clogs when we go to. I think it's just very interesting. What about the dry
[08:48.700 -> 08:54.520] wheat beaks? Exciting. I would not expect you to like that that's not a thing that
[08:54.520 -> 08:58.660] we actually do like. Yeah Alex is trying to put some ketchup on it but I don't
[08:58.660 -> 09:03.120] think that's a great thing to do but yeah you know you have to try those
[09:03.120 -> 09:09.160] things and I think now we know what we can or cannot order. So how fast do you think we could really get
[09:09.160 -> 09:12.400] these Eskis going around this track do you think that there's some testing that
[09:12.400 -> 09:18.160] you guys do? I would I would try to get to 200 and that would be that would be
[09:18.160 -> 09:23.320] good. Safe top speed you think 200s like where it's at? Yeah that's pretty safe.
[09:23.320 -> 09:29.400] Was any of the passing that you got done was, did any of that come down to DRS do you think?
[09:29.400 -> 09:35.340] I did move down a bit, so I think error wise I was gaining a bit of top speed, but yeah,
[09:35.340 -> 09:38.920] I was trying to get a bit of a DRS effect on it.
[09:38.920 -> 09:43.800] Did you get much downtime in this off-season and sort of what are you looking, are you
[09:43.800 -> 09:47.440] trying to get as far away from Formula One as possible or do you just enjoy
[09:47.440 -> 09:51.840] Formula One all year round? Well you do take a little bit of a break of course
[09:51.840 -> 09:55.440] from Formula One but at home I'm still racing, I'm still on the simulator, I
[09:55.440 -> 09:59.160] still do track days and and stuff like that but not in a Formula One car I
[09:59.160 -> 10:04.680] think it's good to also try other stuff even if it's just for fun and then just
[10:04.680 -> 10:07.320] try to be at home as much as possible as well.
[10:07.320 -> 10:09.080] Spend some time with family and friends
[10:09.080 -> 10:11.280] because you are traveling a lot throughout the year.
[10:11.280 -> 10:13.960] So it's good to catch up with them as well.
[10:13.960 -> 10:18.080] What is a fun car for you that's not a Red Bull Formula One
[10:18.080 -> 10:18.580] car?
[10:18.580 -> 10:20.760] GT cars, stuff like that.
[10:20.760 -> 10:22.680] And you get out and do track days on those?
[10:22.680 -> 10:23.320] Yeah.
[10:23.320 -> 10:24.960] Yeah, absolutely.
[10:24.960 -> 10:26.800] Yeah, it's just a bit of fun as well.
[10:26.800 -> 10:30.720] Do you dabble in any other sports at all or are you just purely a four-wheel dude?
[10:31.520 -> 10:38.880] I did some two-wheel racing when I was little but I think, especially now, if I would break
[10:38.880 -> 10:41.120] something that's not good for Formula One of course.
[10:41.120 -> 10:45.400] Now with Melbourne, it's a city that's famous for sport
[10:45.400 -> 10:47.800] as well as the food and the, I guess,
[10:47.800 -> 10:50.800] like that kind of restaurant culture.
[10:50.800 -> 10:54.320] Are you one of the guys that enjoys that side of this city
[10:54.320 -> 10:56.040] or are you just sort of in here for the race?
[10:56.040 -> 10:57.680] No, it's good to be around,
[10:57.680 -> 11:00.440] try a bit of local food as well.
[11:00.440 -> 11:02.360] So yeah, for me, it's always very nice
[11:02.360 -> 11:04.840] to just try new things all the time.
[11:04.840 -> 11:05.920] Well, cheers for joining us, mate.
[11:05.920 -> 11:07.640] And yeah, thanks for being on Talking Bull.
[11:07.640 -> 11:10.520] Exciting year coming ahead, I'm sure.
[11:10.520 -> 11:14.160] Yeah, we'll definitely try our very best and see where we end up.
[11:14.160 -> 11:15.160] Cheers, mate.
[11:15.160 -> 11:16.160] Thank you.
[11:16.160 -> 11:19.960] I was lucky enough to sit down with Red Bull Holden's Jamie Winkopp and Shane Van Gisbergen
[11:19.960 -> 11:22.520] in the Talking Bull trailer at Albert Park.
[11:22.520 -> 11:25.440] We chat about the differences between supercars and F1,
[11:25.440 -> 11:27.320] and I find out from Shane what it's like
[11:27.320 -> 11:29.760] to race against Max Verstappen online.
[11:29.760 -> 11:31.520] Righto, boys, should we get into it?
[11:31.520 -> 11:36.520] I'm in the Talking Bull trailer here at the Melbourne F1
[11:37.080 -> 11:41.440] with Jamie Wincup, J-Dub, and Shane Van Gisbergen.
[11:41.440 -> 11:43.800] Boys, we're at it again, Melbourne.
[11:43.800 -> 11:45.960] Here we go, sun's out at the moment.
[11:45.960 -> 11:47.600] Yes, sun's out, guns out, isn't it?
[11:47.600 -> 11:49.120] Which is a bit weird for Melbourne.
[11:49.120 -> 11:50.360] Yeah, it's good.
[11:50.360 -> 11:52.840] I think classic Melbourne weather though,
[11:52.840 -> 11:54.780] it's stinking hot for a few days
[11:54.780 -> 11:58.320] and then it goes full winter.
[11:58.320 -> 11:59.560] But no, no, it's good.
[11:59.560 -> 12:01.920] Shane, no rain, mate, are you a bit upset about it?
[12:01.920 -> 12:03.840] You like to be cold and wet.
[12:03.840 -> 12:05.520] I don't understand why everyone says that.
[12:05.520 -> 12:06.720] Because you're a kiwi!
[12:08.000 -> 12:10.480] I want it to be sunny, but I think it's meant to rain tomorrow.
[12:10.480 -> 12:17.840] So, just gonna dive right in. Obviously, Talking Bull is Red Bull's Formula One podcast,
[12:17.840 -> 12:23.040] but for this episode, it's Talking Bull Down Under. We wanted to give it an Australian flavour.
[12:23.040 -> 12:30.240] Obviously, you guys being the badass drivers of the Red Bull Racing team here in Australia. A couple
[12:30.240 -> 12:34.240] things I want to touch on, Jamie you've actually driven an F1 car, not only
[12:34.240 -> 12:37.960] driven one but you've driven one around Albert Park, so I want to talk a little
[12:37.960 -> 12:50.580] bit about that. Then I also want to talk about SVG's rivalry with Mark Verstappen and their online rivalry that apparently
[12:50.580 -> 12:56.100] has emerged. So we'll dive into that. But Jamie, I want to talk a little bit about your
[12:56.100 -> 13:02.880] laps around Albert Park. And I heard you say in the video that it was one of the best eight
[13:02.880 -> 13:05.280] minutes of your life.
[13:05.280 -> 13:07.280] Do you remember that experience?
[13:07.280 -> 13:08.280] It's been a few years now.
[13:08.280 -> 13:10.320] Do you still remember that experience quite vividly?
[13:10.320 -> 13:11.320] Yeah, 100%.
[13:11.320 -> 13:12.320] It was mega.
[13:12.320 -> 13:16.360] It's probably one of the best things I've done for a long shot.
[13:16.360 -> 13:24.120] I think it was 2010 and it all initiated from Jenson Barton saying, I want to drive a supercar.
[13:24.120 -> 13:29.060] Really? Yeah, I want to drive a supercar. Really? Yeah I want to drive a supercar. So we did a, basically they set up a car swap
[13:29.060 -> 13:33.740] where he jumped in the supercar but I think I reckon I won. You got the
[13:33.740 -> 13:37.640] I get to jump in the F1 car for four laps around this place. So there was a
[13:37.640 -> 13:41.180] little bit of construction going on on the main straight. I wasn't flat down the
[13:41.180 -> 13:46.240] main straight but soon as I got to turn, I was flat from turn one all the way around again.
[13:46.240 -> 13:47.480] And it was nuts.
[13:47.480 -> 13:49.160] It was just this,
[13:49.160 -> 13:50.760] the only way I can explain it is
[13:51.680 -> 13:53.560] being a coyote strapped to a bloody rocket
[13:53.560 -> 13:55.440] trying to get away from the road runner, you know?
[13:55.440 -> 13:56.480] Or trying to catch the road runner.
[13:56.480 -> 13:59.720] It was, honestly, I was sort of in control
[13:59.720 -> 14:02.160] because I know a race car,
[14:02.160 -> 14:03.760] I know the steering wheel and the pedals,
[14:03.760 -> 14:06.760] but it was so out of control at the same time,
[14:06.760 -> 14:10.600] just so much faster than anything I've ever experienced, so I was just hanging on to this thing.
[14:10.600 -> 14:14.760] You've got no chance of keeping your head off the headrest, like you're just pinned on the headrest.
[14:14.760 -> 14:16.120] Really? It's that forward?
[14:16.120 -> 14:23.680] Just hanging on to this thing. And actually I went out of the pits and I just spent as little time as possible
[14:23.680 -> 14:25.680] warming the tyres up, because I had no tyre warmers,
[14:25.680 -> 14:30.080] and I wanted to sort of get into it. So I just did a heap of swerving and just tried to get as
[14:30.080 -> 14:35.680] much temp as I could and not use up as much as my first lap as I could. And then from about
[14:36.400 -> 14:41.760] turn four, I'm like, I'm up it from here on. So I got up it out of turn four through turn five
[14:41.760 -> 14:47.800] through turn six, and I was already like, I was blown away by how much power the thing had and then I come down the end of the
[14:47.800 -> 14:50.680] back straight, off the end of the back straight and then the thing had double
[14:50.680 -> 14:54.880] the power out of whatever that is what's the corner off the back straight at 13
[14:54.880 -> 14:58.640] or something? The thing had double the power out of 13 so what had happened
[14:58.640 -> 15:03.360] How does that work? Well the car the car was in like a limp mode because the oil
[15:03.360 -> 15:07.340] temp was too low. So you thought you were going fast? I thought I was flat, I was bloody impressed a limp mode because the oil temp was too low So it was a thought you thought I thought I was flat
[15:07.340 -> 15:13.100] I was bloody impressed with how grunty this thing was and then I got a load more power out of turn 30
[15:13.100 -> 15:16.640] And just blown away. The thing was out of control fast
[15:17.640 -> 15:24.100] Didn't really maximize the braking or the cornering, you know, cuz I I'd you know, that's where you can get unstuck
[15:24.160 -> 15:27.280] Yeah, that was, yeah, but I was just maximizing
[15:27.280 -> 15:28.400] the acceleration of the thing,
[15:28.400 -> 15:30.680] and yeah, best eight minutes I've ever done.
[15:30.680 -> 15:31.840] So how does that work?
[15:31.840 -> 15:34.840] And Shane, have you driven a Formula One car
[15:34.840 -> 15:35.680] or any of the big-
[15:35.680 -> 15:36.760] I wouldn't fit in one, man.
[15:36.760 -> 15:39.240] Yeah, probably.
[15:39.240 -> 15:40.480] If you've got any questions,
[15:40.480 -> 15:42.480] because I'm not exactly as qualified
[15:42.480 -> 15:44.280] to ask questions about Formula One cars
[15:44.280 -> 15:47.520] as I'm sure you are, so if you've got any questions for Jamie about the
[15:47.520 -> 15:50.560] topic I'd be interested to see the angles that you would come from as well.
[15:50.560 -> 15:56.960] But how intense was the training because I'm sure it's not like a Hertz rental
[15:56.960 -> 16:01.360] where they're like, you know, you rock up to the counter, you give them the license, like how
[16:01.360 -> 16:04.480] much did you actually have to do to do that?
[16:04.480 -> 16:08.500] Well, not a huge amount, like not a huge amount. We went out and did a track
[16:08.500 -> 16:13.080] recce with with Jensen and we drove around a road car and he told me you
[16:13.080 -> 16:16.740] know yeah this you know this corners this gear and this speed so he gave me a
[16:16.740 -> 16:22.340] bit of a brief on on what to do. And then you just got to try and bank that in your memory?
[16:22.340 -> 16:25.200] What I wanted to know from him though was what the limit was.
[16:25.200 -> 16:28.600] So what do you tell me the limit and then I'll back it off with my percentage.
[16:28.600 -> 16:37.000] But anyway, the guy, the not so much a teamo, the guy that was running the ride car program or the car that we were driving.
[16:37.000 -> 16:39.200] He was in the road car as well.
[16:39.200 -> 16:43.400] So I'm saying to Jensen, so through the back chicane, are you flat through here in the back chicane?
[16:43.400 -> 16:45.320] He's like, no, no, no, it's a bit of a lift,
[16:45.320 -> 16:46.520] bit of a lift through there.
[16:46.520 -> 16:49.360] This is, and the guy that were on the team
[16:49.360 -> 16:52.400] thought I was just gonna mirror what is flat out,
[16:52.400 -> 16:53.240] you know what I mean?
[16:53.240 -> 16:55.480] So we come back after the recce lap
[16:55.480 -> 16:56.720] and all my mates are like,
[16:56.720 -> 16:58.200] hey guys, we've got a bit of a problem here.
[16:58.200 -> 17:00.080] Jamie's gonna, he's gonna end up bending this thing,
[17:00.080 -> 17:02.440] you know, so he had, there was three or four,
[17:02.440 -> 17:03.280] three or four, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[17:03.280 -> 17:07.160] So then I had all these people sit me down and tell me,
[17:07.160 -> 17:08.320] hey, you got to take it easy.
[17:08.320 -> 17:11.360] This car, this car has got to do the speed comparison all weekend.
[17:11.360 -> 17:14.120] And then it's going off to the other side of the world to get used.
[17:14.400 -> 17:15.160] You've got to take it.
[17:15.160 -> 17:16.560] I said, yeah, no, I was never going to.
[17:16.560 -> 17:18.760] I'm not going to go flat out at pitch, you know.
[17:19.120 -> 17:20.880] So anyway, got through all that.
[17:20.880 -> 17:23.440] But basically, we did a seat fit to make sure I was comfortable.
[17:24.720 -> 17:29.000] And in some way, an F1 car is the easiest car you'll ever drive
[17:29.080 -> 17:34.280] It's just got one big go pedal one big stop pedal and then you got steering wheel
[17:34.280 -> 17:39.480] Which is really light and easy, but so for anyone could get in that car and drive around, you know
[17:39.480 -> 17:45.360] Really, but to find the find the last few seconds. That, that's where all the skill is.
[17:45.360 -> 17:47.480] So easiest car you'll ever drive,
[17:47.480 -> 17:49.400] once you get off the actual clutch,
[17:49.400 -> 17:50.480] it's quite hard work.
[17:51.480 -> 17:54.080] There was no real feel, it was just on or off.
[17:54.080 -> 17:54.920] But once you got going, it was-
[17:54.920 -> 17:57.480] And is the clutch on the actual, on the wheel?
[17:57.480 -> 18:00.200] The clutch is a paddle behind the wheel, yeah.
[18:00.200 -> 18:03.200] And you just gotta let the clutch out, give it some revs.
[18:03.200 -> 18:04.440] You don't wanna over-rev the thing
[18:04.440 -> 18:05.440] while you're standing still.
[18:05.440 -> 18:07.760] So, you're sort of a bit cautious on the revs.
[18:07.760 -> 18:10.280] They gave me a bit of a push and off I went.
[18:10.280 -> 18:11.920] How nervous were you?
[18:11.920 -> 18:14.200] Yeah, fairly nervous, not crazy.
[18:14.200 -> 18:16.640] There's a bit half excited, half nervous.
[18:16.640 -> 18:19.160] You know, you don't wanna do anything silly.
[18:19.160 -> 18:20.640] But you wanna maximize the experience as well.
[18:20.640 -> 18:22.280] You don't just wanna drive around at half pace.
[18:22.280 -> 18:24.660] You wanna maximize the car and actually have a crack.
[18:24.660 -> 18:26.720] So, I was just trying to find that balance, you don't just want to drive around at half pace, you want to maximise the car and actually have a crack. So it was just trying to find that
[18:26.720 -> 18:30.040] balance, you know, don't bin it but actually have a really good
[18:30.040 -> 18:34.400] experience at the same time. And did you get to a point where you forgot that you
[18:34.400 -> 18:38.960] were in that eight laps and you could kind of just let go and like really
[18:38.960 -> 18:42.240] enjoy the experience or was it always in the back of your mind? Because I've
[18:42.240 -> 18:48.480] ridden some like factory motocross bikes and for a couple of the times, the whole time I'm riding it,
[18:48.480 -> 18:50.960] I'm like, I'm riding this bike, I'm riding this bike,
[18:50.960 -> 18:52.240] I can't crash this bike.
[18:52.240 -> 18:56.160] And I couldn't let go of that enough to enjoy it.
[18:56.160 -> 18:59.040] So I wonder if you got to let go at any time
[18:59.040 -> 19:00.720] to really enjoy it and be in the moment.
[19:00.720 -> 19:01.760] Yeah, I did, I did.
[19:02.800 -> 19:09.520] Maybe I didn't have too much care for how expensive this car was and what I had to do but no I really, I was within
[19:09.520 -> 19:13.080] my limit like I wasn't ragging it and using all the exit kerbs and all that
[19:13.080 -> 19:18.400] type of stuff but no no no I was, to be honest, what blew you away is the little
[19:18.400 -> 19:21.000] short straights. So the corner off the end of the back straight you got a little
[19:21.000 -> 19:26.200] 150 meters up into the next corner, You go through turn five and there's a little straight
[19:26.200 -> 19:28.360] up under the trees to turn six.
[19:28.360 -> 19:31.360] It was those little sections that just blew you away
[19:31.360 -> 19:34.080] of how fast you get to the next corner, you know?
[19:34.080 -> 19:36.840] Not so much just pinned down the straight or out,
[19:36.840 -> 19:39.000] or actually, if anything, the slow corners,
[19:39.000 -> 19:40.760] I actually had less grip at the slow corners
[19:40.760 -> 19:42.120] is what I did in the supercar.
[19:42.120 -> 19:44.360] The supercar's got really good low speed grip,
[19:44.360 -> 19:45.600] which is what Jenson was saying. He's blown away by the low speed did in the supercar. Supercar's got really good low speed grip, which is what Jensen was saying.
[19:45.600 -> 19:49.800] He's going blown away by the low speed grip of the supercar,
[19:49.800 -> 19:52.120] but it's just those medium corners,
[19:52.120 -> 19:53.720] the short straights that blew me.
[19:53.720 -> 19:57.920] But no, I was loving it.
[19:57.920 -> 19:59.400] I've really enjoyed the experience,
[19:59.400 -> 20:02.520] just blown away by how much power the thing had.
[20:02.520 -> 20:04.680] And yeah, as I say, best eight minutes ever.
[20:04.680 -> 20:05.800] That's awesome.
[20:05.800 -> 20:10.760] And so when Jensen did get, you guys got to sort of debrief, I guess, after the end of
[20:10.760 -> 20:13.620] it, what were his main takeaways?
[20:13.620 -> 20:18.480] And even for you Shane, like when people do drive their V8 supercars that come from other
[20:18.480 -> 20:24.260] disciplines, I guess like, what's the main takeaway that people get from those cars?
[20:24.260 -> 20:27.520] Because they are very unique race cars in their own right.
[20:27.520 -> 20:29.160] Yeah, no, they're good cars.
[20:29.160 -> 20:31.560] We've got really cool cars to drive.
[20:31.560 -> 20:34.240] So they all get out and go, that was cool, you know what I mean?
[20:34.240 -> 20:39.840] They enjoyed the power and the thing popping away under brakes and the rawness.
[20:39.840 -> 20:45.000] It's a bit of a raw beast that rolls around a fair bit as well.
[20:45.000 -> 20:49.600] I remember when Max drove our car, he'd actually never used a gearbox.
[20:49.600 -> 20:51.520] He'd never actually pulled a gear.
[20:51.520 -> 20:52.520] He never pulled a gear through a gearbox.
[20:52.520 -> 20:53.520] The asphalt was third pedal.
[20:53.520 -> 21:00.600] So he'd just grown up with Tiptronic or just paddle shift.
[21:00.600 -> 21:02.720] Yeah, never had a gearbox, you know.
[21:02.720 -> 21:07.360] That's actually blowing my mind right now that you can be like one of the best drivers in the world but I
[21:07.360 -> 21:11.760] guess it just goes to show like the way that you come up through the ranks to
[21:11.760 -> 21:17.320] get to where you know you could go a million ways to get to f1 really yeah
[21:17.320 -> 21:21.360] motorsport you know it just does all those old-school things kids it like the
[21:21.360 -> 21:28.000] kids these days if they got in a car with a wind down window, they wouldn't have a clue what the hell was that thing.
[21:28.000 -> 21:34.000] They have no experience of it, but yeah, they enjoy the cars, they get a smile on their face for sure.
[21:34.000 -> 21:45.720] That whole road to F1 is pretty crazy, like if you think about Australian drivers like Daniel Ricciardo or Mark Webber, even I guess in like the
[21:45.720 -> 21:52.040] MotoGP, like there is weird routes to get to F1. Like was that when you guys were
[21:52.040 -> 21:56.480] growing up, and I'm sure even in New Zealand it's even more of a crazy sort
[21:56.480 -> 22:01.360] of route to get to be a professional race car driver, like is there any part
[22:01.360 -> 22:06.960] when you guys are kids where you're like I I wanna be an F1 and then you sort of slowly over the years
[22:06.960 -> 22:10.400] like the path deviates or how does that kind of path
[22:10.400 -> 22:12.520] in your mind work when you want to be a professional
[22:12.520 -> 22:13.460] race car driver?
[22:14.760 -> 22:17.440] It depends, like I never set out to do that.
[22:17.440 -> 22:18.800] I just wanted to race and have fun.
[22:18.800 -> 22:22.440] And when I was growing up, supercars was so massive
[22:22.440 -> 22:24.620] in New Zealand and there was three or four Kiwi guys
[22:24.620 -> 22:28.400] and Murphy, Jason Richards, Radisich, they were all going really well and that's
[22:28.400 -> 22:29.400] just what I wanted to do.
[22:29.400 -> 22:33.680] I used to go out to Pukekohe and watch the racing and loved it and Formula One never
[22:33.680 -> 22:34.680] interested me.
[22:34.680 -> 22:39.640] It was boring, they just follow each other and never race and supercars was awesome.
[22:39.640 -> 22:43.720] And when I started single-seaters, mum sort of made me do it, she was sick of me getting
[22:43.720 -> 22:45.240] hurt on motorbikes.
[22:45.240 -> 22:47.160] And yeah, went racing and yeah,
[22:47.160 -> 22:49.680] started to go okay at it and went up the ranks.
[22:49.680 -> 22:53.920] But I went into a formula series called Formula Toyota,
[22:53.920 -> 22:55.560] which was little wings and slicks things.
[22:55.560 -> 22:57.280] And you don't have much downforce,
[22:57.280 -> 22:58.760] but you just couldn't race each other.
[22:58.760 -> 23:02.120] So I didn't enjoy it because the battles were boring.
[23:02.120 -> 23:03.960] You just qualify and then you follow each other.
[23:03.960 -> 23:07.160] So yeah, I wanted to get into proper racing as quick as I could and
[23:07.160 -> 23:11.920] yeah I came here when I was 18 and went for it but yeah certainly to go to
[23:11.920 -> 23:16.760] Europe especially nowadays is you know the money that you've got to have is so
[23:16.760 -> 23:22.380] expensive. Yeah is that like the main difference I guess like in terms of the
[23:22.380 -> 23:25.280] perspective of what you guys see as
[23:25.280 -> 23:29.680] Formula One is like professional race car drivers in a different discipline is
[23:29.680 -> 23:34.560] it just that it's the money like everything is just amplified to just a
[23:34.560 -> 23:39.240] crazy level in Formula One like is that sort of the take on it from the cars to
[23:39.240 -> 23:44.680] the teams to the venues to the travel? I love the cars and the teams and looking
[23:44.680 -> 23:45.520] at all the stuff
[23:45.520 -> 23:47.360] and when you see the magnitude of everything,
[23:47.360 -> 23:49.520] but it's the technology of everything.
[23:49.520 -> 23:51.080] Like looking at a car up close,
[23:51.080 -> 23:55.180] like it's just a different world to what we're used to.
[23:55.180 -> 23:56.920] On the same track, on the same weekend,
[23:56.920 -> 23:58.600] they're 30 seconds quicker than we are.
[23:58.600 -> 24:00.680] Yeah, can you get your head around that?
[24:00.680 -> 24:01.960] Like how you could go through it?
[24:01.960 -> 24:03.040] Like it makes sense,
[24:03.040 -> 24:04.400] because to me it doesn't make sense.
[24:04.400 -> 24:10.000] I'm like, I don't get it. Like because even with the our motocross stuff it's like you see guys that
[24:10.000 -> 24:15.280] could be yeah 30 seconds faster on a just around a dirt motocross track and you're like what are
[24:15.280 -> 24:22.480] you doing? Like how is this human? Yeah, no you sit, no you can. It's, you can and you can't. You,
[24:22.480 -> 24:26.120] you go out there in practice and then you put a new set of tyres on and go,
[24:26.120 -> 24:29.080] say two seconds faster and it's like night and day.
[24:29.080 -> 24:32.320] It's like, holy, wow, that was so much faster.
[24:32.320 -> 24:33.480] Does it feel faster?
[24:33.480 -> 24:34.320] Like can you feel two seconds?
[24:34.320 -> 24:35.480] It feels faster, yeah.
[24:35.480 -> 24:37.960] Two seconds faster, it's just gripped up
[24:37.960 -> 24:40.760] and whoa, you get to the end of the lap and go wow.
[24:40.760 -> 24:43.680] And then to think, oh we need another 28 seconds
[24:43.680 -> 24:46.000] on top of that, it's just a different thing though.
[24:46.000 -> 24:50.000] I drove that LMP2 car a few, well a month ago now.
[24:50.000 -> 24:51.000] What car is that?
[24:51.000 -> 24:54.000] LMP2, it's like a prototype single seater thing.
[24:54.000 -> 24:59.000] It was that Adelaide tail and bend and it was 25 seconds quicker than what I'd done in the GT3.
[24:59.000 -> 25:00.000] Wow.
[25:00.000 -> 25:04.000] And the first run I drove, I'm just like, what the hell, it's too quick, can't keep up.
[25:04.000 -> 25:08.280] And then the second run you're complaining about understeer, oversteer, you just get
[25:08.280 -> 25:13.160] it's all relative, you get used to it. The first run really was pretty eye-opening.
[25:13.160 -> 25:17.940] When we did our trip to Cape York it was like that for us because well for me
[25:17.940 -> 25:22.000] like I'd never really just ridden a dirt bike flat out for a whole tank of fuel
[25:22.000 -> 25:27.600] and then you sort of, I'd just say you don't even want to be in fifth gear and then you know a few days into the trip you're just like you're clicking for a whole tank of fuel and then you sort of you'd I just say you don't even want to be in fifth gear and then you know a few days into the trip you're
[25:27.600 -> 25:32.440] just like you're clicking for a gear that's not there every time you you hit
[25:32.440 -> 25:37.840] that top gear so the brain is pretty crazy how it does adapt to that kind of
[25:37.840 -> 25:43.320] speed right coming down the straight you know you you mentally you're not thinking
[25:43.320 -> 25:45.560] about you mentally know what gear you're in, you just remember.
[25:45.560 -> 25:49.280] But then once you pull a nut, once you pull 7th, you're like, where am I?
[25:49.280 -> 25:50.280] You know what I mean?
[25:50.280 -> 25:53.000] Then you get a bit lost on, your brain gets a bit lost on where you are.
[25:53.000 -> 25:57.040] So then 6th, okay, now I'm back to 6th, 5th, 4th, 3rd, down a gear.
[25:57.040 -> 25:58.280] But yeah, you just get used to it.
[25:58.280 -> 26:01.120] Could you imagine the pace of an F1 season?
[26:01.120 -> 26:05.440] Like mentally what you would have to be prepared for to go that fast for
[26:05.440 -> 26:10.120] that long, for those many races all year with those guys around you, like you
[26:10.120 -> 26:13.080] could get used to driving the car and you could get used to going that speed
[26:13.080 -> 26:18.200] but is it a whole different thing to just be used to the overall intensity of
[26:18.200 -> 26:22.240] all the other aspects of racing or is that just part and parcel with it?
[26:22.240 -> 26:26.380] It's what you make it, at the end of the day you're still just racing cars and trying to beat everyone else.
[26:26.380 -> 26:30.480] So yeah, I guess there's a bit more pressure here and you can put it more on yourself.
[26:30.480 -> 26:34.520] But yeah, I don't know. You've still got to remember what you're doing and why you're doing it.
[26:34.520 -> 26:39.940] Yeah, and they're much better set up as well. So to think for us to do that many rounds,
[26:40.260 -> 26:46.760] you know, and be away from home for that long in our current setup, then it wouldn't really work.
[26:46.760 -> 26:50.020] We pack a bag, you live out of your bag,
[26:50.020 -> 26:52.320] and you go away for five or six days
[26:52.320 -> 26:53.460] and then go back again.
[26:53.460 -> 26:54.680] But these guys are on the road
[26:54.680 -> 26:56.400] and they're really good at living on the road.
[26:56.400 -> 26:58.400] They've got all the facilities set up,
[26:58.400 -> 27:01.440] they've got trainers and chefs and the whole,
[27:01.440 -> 27:03.880] their life away from home is really good.
[27:03.880 -> 27:06.080] Because we're only away for five or six days,
[27:06.080 -> 27:08.160] we're literally out of a bag, you know?
[27:08.160 -> 27:11.320] So, it's just, yeah, you just, if you're,
[27:11.320 -> 27:14.800] if we were to do four, five more rounds a year,
[27:14.800 -> 27:16.920] we'd have motorhomes and, you know,
[27:16.920 -> 27:18.520] have people traveling around with us
[27:18.520 -> 27:20.800] and be much better set up than what we are,
[27:20.800 -> 27:22.800] but we don't need that at this stage, so.
[27:22.800 -> 27:24.080] So Shane, did you race,
[27:24.080 -> 27:26.360] you raced motocross stuff growing up, eh?
[27:26.360 -> 27:27.800] Yeah, mainly four wheels.
[27:27.800 -> 27:29.560] I did two wheels, but I was no good.
[27:29.560 -> 27:30.800] So I was always on quad bikes.
[27:30.800 -> 27:31.800] So you were a quad dude.
[27:31.800 -> 27:32.300] Yeah.
[27:32.300 -> 27:32.800] It's all right.
[27:32.800 -> 27:34.680] You ever heard the hashtag nuke the quads?
[27:34.680 -> 27:38.960] Yeah, I'd probably be quicker than you.
[27:38.960 -> 27:40.800] I would not doubt that at all.
[27:40.800 -> 27:44.160] So with the online stuff that you do,
[27:44.160 -> 27:46.080] so there was the little comment yesterday,
[27:46.080 -> 27:50.160] safe travels Mark, what's your relationship with Mark Verstappen and
[27:50.160 -> 27:53.880] how did that come about? I can't explain that one unfortunately, Australians would
[27:53.880 -> 28:00.480] get pissed off if I explain that one, that should be enough. He's alright, I race with him and
[28:00.480 -> 28:10.640] Lando a bit on the old interwebs and yeah it's a bit of fun. So explain to people what exactly you guys are doing because you're, what game is it
[28:10.640 -> 28:13.560] and like what format are you playing, like how does it sort of work?
[28:13.560 -> 28:17.160] A bit of everything, I just do it because I don't race enough you know, I love, I use
[28:17.160 -> 28:22.040] the sim just as a tool to keep practicing, keep the mind sharp of racing and I think
[28:22.040 -> 28:28.880] they do the same you know, they're getting pretty good now the simulators that you you know yeah yeah for me it's
[28:28.880 -> 28:34.000] good concentrating on something for a long time yeah so are you playing like
[28:34.000 -> 28:36.400] just PlayStation games or is that like a simulator?
[28:36.400 -> 28:42.040] yeah I got a Omen HP computer they're pretty pretty good and new sim setup and
[28:42.040 -> 28:48.420] everything and I don't know much about computers but yeah it's all pretty cool. And so do you do like F1 stuff or you do
[28:48.420 -> 28:54.040] all types of cars? Everything yeah, I like the rally yeah. Oh right, and so Max is
[28:54.040 -> 28:59.480] pretty into the online stuff as well right? Yeah him and Lando race a fair bit yeah.
[28:59.480 -> 29:06.040] Yeah right, so what's it like to be able to race with guys all over the world and I'm
[29:06.040 -> 29:10.040] sure that there's like a level of respect that you have for Max as a race car driver,
[29:10.040 -> 29:14.600] a level of respect that he has for you as a race car driver, like is it cool that the
[29:14.600 -> 29:17.760] internet can kind of like bring you guys together in that sense?
[29:17.760 -> 29:22.040] Yeah there's plenty of mates I have in GT in Europe and stuff, race them too and Nick
[29:22.040 -> 29:29.000] Foster who's an Aussie lives in England, race together with him and yeah everyone's normal, the same old knee, just do it for a bit of fun.
[29:29.000 -> 29:33.840] And are there any like, cause you see all the video games and stuff, you watch like
[29:33.840 -> 29:37.760] Fortnite and stuff, you see 10 year olds that are just talking s*** through their headsets
[29:37.760 -> 29:42.320] and they're just like waxing everybody, is there any of that that goes down? Like have
[29:42.320 -> 29:44.960] you got any 10 year olds that smoke you and Max?
[29:44.960 -> 29:45.000] Nah, I got Mark, yeah. Is there any of that that goes down? Like, have you got any 10 year olds that spoke to you and Max?
[29:45.000 -> 29:47.000] No, I got Mark, yeah.
[29:47.000 -> 29:49.000] Well, I guess he's like 12.
[29:49.000 -> 29:54.000] But is there like those young kids out there that can just shred on those things?
[29:54.000 -> 30:02.000] Do you reckon that the, um, I'm pretty sure Red Bull did a thing where they had like an eSports competition
[30:02.000 -> 30:05.880] and then they awarded the winner of like the simulator
[30:05.880 -> 30:10.920] stuff an actual test or a drive like do you think that it could translate or is
[30:10.920 -> 30:16.680] there how different is it? Yeah not today I don't think anyone has ever come just
[30:16.680 -> 30:21.680] from sim to be a race car driver there's people who have done racing then won a
[30:21.680 -> 30:28.380] sim comp to come racing again but it's too different like is the way it all is you don't get the movement you don't get the
[30:28.380 -> 30:32.260] feel and yeah I don't think it's possible really. I heard the other day
[30:32.260 -> 30:37.660] that you just got an e-bike as well. Yeah. So how's it? You gonna flame me on that too?
[30:37.660 -> 30:46.000] I'll flame John. You did about the quads. It's a quad though. E-bikes are actually good. Yeah.
[30:46.000 -> 30:49.000] Because old Jadab's pretty handy on a mountain bike.
[30:49.000 -> 30:51.000] Has he flamed you for having an e-bike actually?
[30:51.000 -> 30:52.000] No, not completely.
[30:52.000 -> 30:53.000] Were you a fan of the e-bike?
[30:53.000 -> 30:55.000] No, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
[30:55.000 -> 30:56.000] You're not sold yet?
[30:56.000 -> 30:59.000] I'm not sold yet, but I'm not sure.
[30:59.000 -> 31:02.000] Well, I'm team e-bike on this one, so we're good on that.
[31:02.000 -> 31:03.000] Yeah, you converted?
[31:03.000 -> 31:06.000] Yeah, well, because I don't ride enough these days.
[31:06.000 -> 31:09.000] I just like it for the long uphills stuff. I actually don't run it on that much.
[31:09.000 -> 31:12.000] But the long uphills you just flick the power on and it makes...
[31:12.000 -> 31:14.000] Oh, so you turn it off at times?
[31:14.000 -> 31:17.000] Yeah, well most of the guys I go riding with are just on normal bikes, so...
[31:17.000 -> 31:19.000] But that's hard for you though, because they're heavy bikes.
[31:19.000 -> 31:23.000] Yeah, but I like the grip it makes. It's got wider tyres and down the hills and stuff.
[31:23.000 -> 31:25.280] It's actually really good and flows quite good.
[31:25.280 -> 31:25.780] Yeah.
[31:25.780 -> 31:29.700] But yeah, up the long hills the weight kills you, so I just crank it up and ride past them.
[31:29.700 -> 31:31.700] Yeah. Have you ridden, so you haven't ridden one?
[31:31.700 -> 31:32.900] I've never ridden one, which...
[31:32.900 -> 31:33.400] Oh, you've got to do it.
[31:33.400 -> 31:35.900] I've never ridden one, so that's why I can't really comment.
[31:35.900 -> 31:38.400] I've got to, I've got to get on and give it a crack.
[31:38.400 -> 31:43.900] It just makes you enjoy the uphill stuff, because the uphill stuff is just a grind and you're struggling with tree roots and that.
[31:43.900 -> 31:44.400] Yeah.
[31:44.400 -> 31:47.240] It's like a moto. The traditionist says, oh it's you know
[31:47.240 -> 31:50.800] you're cheating you know it's it's easy. I had some people swearing at me on the
[31:50.800 -> 31:56.400] weekend as I passed them up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so no I'm definitely not one of those, you know, I'm not a
[31:56.400 -> 32:05.280] traditionalist or anything. You can put out the same output as far as exercise goes, you just end up riding twice as fast. So that's,
[32:05.280 -> 32:10.320] in some way, that's a good thing. The way that they handle too is so good.
[32:10.320 -> 32:14.960] They handle so much more like a moto and they're so much more stable. You want to
[32:14.960 -> 32:18.880] talk about like low speed grip, like they really do have actual low speed grip
[32:18.880 -> 32:23.280] because it's just more weight and it's more down low. But I agree, like I
[32:23.280 -> 32:25.040] like them for the fact that
[32:25.040 -> 32:30.000] you know, if you go out to Narang and you've got an hour, your hour of power on an e-bike is like
[32:30.000 -> 32:36.560] 25 k's, whereas your hour of power in the afternoon on a normal bike is only, you know, you haven't
[32:36.560 -> 32:41.520] got that long, you know, to sort of ride, you're not covering that much trail. So are you more
[32:41.520 -> 32:51.360] comfortable like ripping down a hill on a motorbike or a mountain bike? Mountain bike. Yeah because the thing won't land on top of you I guess.
[32:51.360 -> 32:55.080] Yeah and like that but the e-bike is like the perfect transitioner.
[32:55.080 -> 32:58.880] So when they first come out I was like yeah this thing this
[32:58.880 -> 33:02.880] thing's ridiculous and they've got the ones that have like the the triple clamp
[33:02.880 -> 33:10.700] forks on the front now as well so you can even go pretty hard on the things. So with the mountain bike like you're a massive
[33:10.700 -> 33:16.200] mountain biker and then you just getting into it a bit or? Yeah I kept riding the
[33:16.200 -> 33:20.320] motorbike over summer and stuff but I just get scared of getting hurt so I do
[33:20.320 -> 33:24.940] feel a bit safer on the on the e-bike and then it's good training as well but
[33:24.940 -> 33:29.840] the moto stuff to get most out of it training I feel like I safer on the e-bike and then it's good training as well. But the moto stuff, to get most out of it, training, I feel like I'm on the edge of crashing
[33:29.840 -> 33:30.840] all the time.
[33:30.840 -> 33:31.840] So I can't be doing that.
[33:31.840 -> 33:41.040] There is a risk in anything that you guys do, like kiteboarding and going out and a
[33:41.040 -> 33:42.040] million knot wins.
[33:42.040 -> 33:47.280] But there's a risk element of cross training you know but
[33:47.280 -> 33:51.620] in a way that's fun because it's like you guys do have to be fit and you do
[33:51.620 -> 33:56.480] have to stay sharp mentally and and all those things to be professional race car
[33:56.480 -> 34:00.840] drivers but then anything that you do that can kind of give you that same buzz
[34:00.840 -> 34:06.680] is kind of sketchy so it's like, how do you guys manage that risk?
[34:06.680 -> 34:08.960] You gotta live your life at the same time as well.
[34:08.960 -> 34:10.800] And the boss understands that, of course,
[34:10.800 -> 34:13.520] you can't go do anything stupid and hurt yourself
[34:13.520 -> 34:17.160] and jeopardize the hard work that 50 odd people
[34:17.160 -> 34:18.100] on the team have done.
[34:18.100 -> 34:20.600] But at the same time, you gotta live your life.
[34:20.600 -> 34:23.120] And if you live your life in cotton wool
[34:23.120 -> 34:28.000] for three weeks in between two race meetings, then you probably end up getting just slow and soft you know you
[34:28.000 -> 34:31.640] gotta gotta get out there and we both love it we both love the mountain
[34:31.640 -> 34:35.440] biking, dirt biking, you know getting the go-kart every now and again you know
[34:35.440 -> 34:40.440] having a bit of fun as well so the boss understands that. Just controlled
[34:40.440 -> 34:45.040] stupidity we call it, controlled stupidity. Do you get better managing that,
[34:45.040 -> 34:46.760] like the more experience you get?
[34:46.760 -> 34:49.320] Is it something that comes with like age and time?
[34:49.320 -> 34:50.400] Well, yeah, five years ago,
[34:50.400 -> 34:52.040] I wouldn't have worried about crashing on the bike,
[34:52.040 -> 34:53.080] just gone flat out.
[34:53.080 -> 34:55.680] So you think about it more, but it's the same.
[34:55.680 -> 34:57.920] We just love adrenaline and what we do.
[34:57.920 -> 34:59.960] If you just train in the gym or just running,
[34:59.960 -> 35:00.800] I just get bored.
[35:00.800 -> 35:02.560] So you gotta keep doing stuff.
[35:02.560 -> 35:05.400] You guys are like professional, like, loose units.
[35:05.400 -> 35:07.960] Really, you know what I mean?
[35:07.960 -> 35:10.000] It's like, okay, we want you to be
[35:10.000 -> 35:12.040] this professional crazy dude,
[35:12.040 -> 35:14.920] but we also just want you to use a ski erg
[35:14.920 -> 35:16.840] in between races.
[35:16.840 -> 35:18.160] The mountain bike's quite good
[35:18.160 -> 35:20.560] for filling that motocross gap, I reckon,
[35:20.560 -> 35:22.720] because I grew up in Melbourne
[35:22.720 -> 35:27.120] and we used to go dirt biking, just trail bike riding, dirt biking through the outskirts of Melbourne,
[35:27.120 -> 35:31.800] you know, every, at least every month or so, and get five or six guys together
[35:31.800 -> 35:35.560] and we just, we'd just go in and go 100k, stop at a local, local,
[35:36.120 -> 35:40.300] like pub for, have a counter meal and then ride all the way back the afternoon, you know.
[35:40.300 -> 35:47.320] So when I moved from, moved from Melbourne to Queensland and then it was so hot and so dusty up there and
[35:47.560 -> 35:49.560] There wasn't really that many
[35:49.680 -> 35:54.940] motocross sort of opportunities, so I was getting pretty dangerous as well because so much dust so
[35:55.560 -> 36:00.160] Sold the dirt bike and I really missed it. I missed it for years, you know, I just want to go dirt biking again
[36:00.480 -> 36:06.560] And then I think your brother did introduce me to mountain biking. Did Matty actually get you into it?
[36:06.560 -> 36:08.560] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, have a crack.
[36:08.560 -> 36:10.560] I hear more Courtney, Courtney Jackson.
[36:10.560 -> 36:12.560] I said have a crack and I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, why not?
[36:12.560 -> 36:22.560] Looking for something new and I had a crack and it really filled that hole of my dirt biking days, you know, with my mates through the bush.
[36:22.560 -> 36:25.880] Yeah, there is like the crazy social aspect to it as well.
[36:25.880 -> 36:26.720] It's like really fun.
[36:26.720 -> 36:30.320] And the thing with that moto, I always
[36:30.320 -> 36:34.360] wished I could like talk shit on my mates while we were riding.
[36:34.360 -> 36:36.000] But you could never do it.
[36:36.000 -> 36:39.000] And like with the mountain bike, you kind of actually can.
[36:39.000 -> 36:39.720] You can.
[36:39.720 -> 36:40.760] You'd be yelling at us.
[36:40.760 -> 36:41.240] I've talked up from you a lot.
[36:41.240 -> 36:42.520] You can only half hear them.
[36:42.520 -> 36:43.440] But it doesn't matter.
[36:43.440 -> 36:46.880] You're yelling through the gorge.
[36:46.880 -> 36:51.800] How much on a race weekend, because you guys are obviously super busy basically all the
[36:51.800 -> 36:57.600] time on these weekends, but do you get to stop and enjoy the fact that we are at an
[36:57.600 -> 36:58.760] F1 event?
[36:58.760 -> 37:02.080] Is it something that factors in or are you guys just all sort of business and trying
[37:02.080 -> 37:03.660] to do your own thing?
[37:03.660 -> 37:05.280] Not enough, not enough.
[37:05.280 -> 37:07.240] We'd love to be, you know, cruising around
[37:07.240 -> 37:09.960] and having a bit of a look and, you know,
[37:09.960 -> 37:11.360] trying to embrace the event,
[37:11.360 -> 37:14.760] but we've got a fairly strict agenda going on.
[37:14.760 -> 37:16.480] Righto, well, thanks very much for coming on, boys.
[37:16.480 -> 37:18.720] Really appreciate you guys being on the
[37:18.720 -> 37:22.400] Talking Bull Down Under episode of this podcast
[37:22.400 -> 37:24.240] from the legends at Red Bull.
[37:24.240 -> 37:25.400] Thanks, boys.
[37:25.400 -> 37:28.600] It's pretty safe to say that motorsport is a family business for the Doorns.
[37:28.600 -> 37:32.320] Mick shares some tales from his MotoGP days and we asked Jack what it's like to be a
[37:32.320 -> 37:34.880] Red Bull junior and what he's learning from his dad.
[37:34.880 -> 37:40.760] Alright so for the Talking Bull podcast we were doing this setup in Melbourne
[37:40.760 -> 37:45.000] in our trailer but that got cancelled obviously.
[37:45.000 -> 37:50.000] So we thought we'd get Mick Doon and Jack Doon into the studio today
[37:50.000 -> 37:53.000] to round up this episode of Talking Bull.
[37:53.000 -> 37:55.000] Gentlemen, how's it going?
[37:55.000 -> 37:57.000] Yeah, it's quiet.
[37:57.000 -> 38:00.000] You know, there's a lot of disruption happening out there,
[38:00.000 -> 38:04.000] but everyone's got to sort of adhere to the regulations
[38:04.000 -> 38:09.000] and keeping everyone safe and the distancing spaces you got to
[38:09.000 -> 38:12.440] provide each other here so you know let's get through it and hopefully we
[38:12.440 -> 38:16.000] come out the other side and we can get on with life again. Yeah now that's it so
[38:16.000 -> 38:21.080] Jack a bit of a bit of sim racing time for you well I guess like you've pretty
[38:21.080 -> 38:24.920] much got like the perfect quarantine compound right you can do the go-karts
[38:24.920 -> 38:28.040] you can do the simulator stuff.
[38:28.040 -> 38:31.640] Is this fine for you to go into this quarantine situation?
[38:31.640 -> 38:36.760] Obviously, it's not like ideal because we'd want to be racing over in Europe, but yeah,
[38:36.760 -> 38:42.720] I've probably got it better than most with the kart track, the karts, a simulator, which
[38:42.720 -> 38:45.520] helps with all the iRacing and the different programs.
[38:45.520 -> 38:51.380] So yeah, obviously it enables me to be able to do more on that side of things and hopefully
[38:51.380 -> 38:52.820] come out better.
[38:52.820 -> 39:00.440] So is it kind of cool to be in this situation where you're getting, I guess, interviewed
[39:00.440 -> 39:10.500] with your dad, like obviously your dad's accomplished so much and then you're on that same trajectory, like is it kind of cool to be in that situation where we can
[39:10.500 -> 39:14.500] talk a little bit about mixed racing and then we're talking about your racing as well?
[39:14.500 -> 39:20.380] Yeah, obviously he's like, oh I'm at a completely different stage in my career and I haven't
[39:20.380 -> 39:27.060] really to any standard like accomplished much compared to anything that dad's done.
[39:27.060 -> 39:31.780] So hopefully I'm on that same track and I can work towards that.
[39:31.780 -> 39:34.580] But yeah, I've never really been in this situation.
[39:34.580 -> 39:40.660] Yeah, I mean, it must be even a proud moment for you in a way to where it's like, because
[39:40.660 -> 39:45.760] where Jack and what he's doing is like a standalone thing, you know, like he's
[39:45.760 -> 39:50.440] in four wheels and he is on that trajectory.
[39:50.440 -> 39:55.840] I'm sure it's a lot different to the way that you had to come up with your racing.
[39:55.840 -> 39:58.400] But nevertheless, I mean, you know, walking his own path.
[39:58.400 -> 39:59.400] No, absolutely.
[39:59.400 -> 40:02.240] I think it's good as well that he's doing his own thing.
[40:02.240 -> 40:06.960] You know, four wheels, there's still a lot of pressure on him. The name, do one rightly or wrongly,
[40:06.960 -> 40:09.360] gives him a little bit of pressure.
[40:09.360 -> 40:12.560] And, but you know, that's what you need anyway.
[40:12.560 -> 40:14.880] You've got to push through and, you know,
[40:14.880 -> 40:16.440] a lot of things are different,
[40:16.440 -> 40:18.120] but a lot of things are the same, you know,
[40:18.120 -> 40:20.720] the work ethic, the desire to achieve,
[40:20.720 -> 40:24.280] and the nonstop persistence at aiming
[40:24.280 -> 40:26.440] to grab a hold of that goal.
[40:26.440 -> 40:34.000] So you know, as you mentioned, he's, Jack's in the early stages of a career, it's sort
[40:34.000 -> 40:38.880] of now ramping up, it's getting towards a pointier end where it gets harder and harder
[40:38.880 -> 40:42.240] and harder, so you've got to push harder and harder and harder and those things are the
[40:42.240 -> 40:43.240] same.
[40:43.240 -> 40:51.800] So you know, but it's cool to sit here and have a few interviews with Jack together.
[40:51.800 -> 40:56.000] I feel he's got the talent, of course, because I'm his father, but he's also got to work
[40:56.000 -> 41:00.720] hard to beat the other guys who have talent as well.
[41:00.720 -> 41:02.880] You know exactly what it takes.
[41:02.880 -> 41:04.880] I'm sure that everybody has bad days.
[41:04.880 -> 41:09.500] I'm sure Jack has days where it just doesn't feel like putting in the effort.
[41:09.500 -> 41:12.460] And then there'll be other days where he's going above and beyond.
[41:12.460 -> 41:19.120] Is it hard for you to kind of look from a distance in a way and not put too much of
[41:19.120 -> 41:20.120] that?
[41:20.120 -> 41:22.840] Because I guess there'd be a balance there, right?
[41:22.840 -> 41:29.680] No, absolutely. But I mean, the balance, I think for me anyway, was a desire always to want to just better
[41:29.680 -> 41:30.680] myself.
[41:30.680 -> 41:33.920] So it never felt like a hard day, even if it was a...
[41:33.920 -> 41:36.360] You didn't feel right, you just get on and do it.
[41:36.360 -> 41:40.000] And unlike anything, like coming to work, some days you don't feel like coming to work.
[41:40.000 -> 41:42.680] Once you're here, it's actually not too bad.
[41:42.680 -> 41:44.600] So it's just getting over that initial hump.
[41:44.600 -> 41:48.280] But you need to just keep pushing yourself, because you don't know what the other guys
[41:48.280 -> 41:49.280] are doing.
[41:49.280 -> 41:53.840] So if you've mentally prepared yourself and physically prepared yourself and then, you
[41:53.840 -> 41:58.200] know, practically prepared yourself, being in a car or whatever you can do, sim, you
[41:58.200 -> 42:02.640] know, then all you can do is do the best you can.
[42:02.640 -> 42:04.920] And you know, you never know what the other guys are doing.
[42:04.920 -> 42:05.680] So you just got to do it know what the other guys are doing. So you just
[42:05.680 -> 42:06.680] got to do it better.
[42:06.680 -> 42:11.840] Yeah, that's it. Well, it's been cool. We've been around Jack for a while now, just in
[42:11.840 -> 42:16.560] the, I guess, a professional and a friend sense. And it's been cool even over the last
[42:16.560 -> 42:23.280] couple of years for me to see how much that you have progressed. And it seems like from
[42:23.280 -> 42:26.540] my perspective that you're in like this place now
[42:26.540 -> 42:29.060] where you're really starting to think like,
[42:29.060 -> 42:31.520] these are the steps that I've got to take now
[42:31.520 -> 42:36.060] to be a Formula One driver and doing it with Red Bull.
[42:36.060 -> 42:38.020] Like you've got these really clear goals
[42:38.020 -> 42:41.460] and it seems like it's kind of gone away from,
[42:41.460 -> 42:44.620] I guess it's like always a goal down the road,
[42:44.620 -> 42:45.520] but it seems like we're
[42:45.520 -> 42:46.920] sort of getting closer now to it.
[42:46.920 -> 42:49.960] Do you feel like that, that it's starting to be like real now?
[42:49.960 -> 42:55.240] Obviously, I'd really like to, and that is the main goal to go to Formula One.
[42:55.240 -> 43:00.480] But as well, there's other, like there's another 30 kids on the Formula One grid that would
[43:00.480 -> 43:01.480] be in that same sense.
[43:01.480 -> 43:07.880] Think I'm now on the F1 paddock and on that weekend, I've now got a shot where there's
[43:07.880 -> 43:13.540] 20 guys on the F1 grid now and probably in the next few years only two, three, maybe
[43:13.540 -> 43:19.920] max five spots are going to become available to the current F2 guys and F3 guys.
[43:19.920 -> 43:26.200] So it's difficult to obviously you want to kind of keep believing and you will.
[43:26.200 -> 43:32.120] But yeah, I'm hoping that, you know, having the opportunity now to be on that program
[43:32.120 -> 43:36.480] and in that kind of space where if you do perform, you have the right people watching
[43:36.480 -> 43:40.320] you, hopefully I can keep moving up and keep progressing.
[43:40.320 -> 43:45.800] I think to follow on with that, I think Jack has put himself into a position now, over
[43:45.800 -> 43:54.480] the last two years of car racing, to be in FIA F3 and to be, you know, which is on the
[43:54.480 -> 43:56.440] same platform as F1.
[43:56.440 -> 43:58.400] So now really the work begins.
[43:58.400 -> 44:02.840] I think, you know, as you just mentioned, anything's possible from here but you've got
[44:02.840 -> 44:07.320] to work harder because every other kid on the grid in F2 and F3 feel the same that they're
[44:07.320 -> 44:12.440] going in that direction towards F1 and no different the MotoGP no different to
[44:12.440 -> 44:15.920] a lot of other sports there's only there's only a few people at any given
[44:15.920 -> 44:22.480] time get get a position into the top the the pinnacle of the sport so back to
[44:22.480 -> 44:25.720] what I was saying you need to work harder, you need to just
[44:25.720 -> 44:32.160] brush off everything and just remain focused on your goals and hopefully Jack's sort of
[44:32.160 -> 44:38.440] recognising that and that's why he's got himself to where he is now. Now it's really up to
[44:38.440 -> 44:44.040] him as well because he's just got to keep pushing himself to enable himself to get to
[44:44.040 -> 44:45.800] that top level.
[44:45.800 -> 44:48.560] If he doesn't get there, well he can't, you know.
[44:48.560 -> 44:51.960] For me I always say, at least if you don't get there, at least you're sort of a couple
[44:51.960 -> 44:55.320] of years down the track, you don't reflect back and go, oh jeez, if I wish I would have
[44:55.320 -> 44:58.200] just done it like that or done it like this.
[44:58.200 -> 45:03.200] And I think having made it all the way through to the top and then also knowing other F1
[45:03.200 -> 45:06.320] guys and people from other disciplines, whether it be golf or whatever, have made it to the top and then also knowing other F1 guys and people from other disciplines,
[45:06.320 -> 45:11.440] whether it be golf or whatever, have made it to the top, the mindset's the same.
[45:11.440 -> 45:15.800] And I think that's, you know, Jack certainly got that, but because he's only young, it's
[45:15.800 -> 45:19.520] certainly, you know, he's still evolving how much he puts into play.
[45:19.520 -> 45:20.520] Yeah.
[45:20.520 -> 45:26.000] Do you remember what the experience was like for you at Jack's age?
[45:26.000 -> 45:29.960] Well, at Jack's age, I wasn't even racing.
[45:29.960 -> 45:33.000] I was in between dirt bike racing and road racing.
[45:33.000 -> 45:35.000] It was a whole different era back then.
[45:35.000 -> 45:37.000] Yeah, that makes sense.
[45:37.000 -> 45:39.000] Nowadays, everyone's into this.
[45:39.000 -> 45:41.000] You need to be in a car at 15.
[45:41.000 -> 45:46.720] You need to be on a bike at 15, you know, like I mean in racing at a high level.
[45:46.720 -> 45:54.280] So you know, I think I was the youngest in MotoGP, what 500 is called then, and I was
[45:54.280 -> 45:56.480] 22, you know, going on 23.
[45:56.480 -> 45:58.880] Yeah, right, that's so different now.
[45:58.880 -> 46:00.840] You're a veteran if you're 22.
[46:00.840 -> 46:02.480] That's right, so you know.
[46:02.480 -> 46:07.320] So equally, you know, there's still guys, you know, Hamilton's no spring
[46:07.320 -> 46:12.440] chicken any longer, but you know, so, and, but, but those guys were young when they were
[46:12.440 -> 46:17.240] coming in and they were about 20 years old, I think what, Riken was maybe 19, something
[46:17.240 -> 46:18.240] like that.
[46:18.240 -> 46:21.840] So, you know, they've moved the golf posts a little bit for these guys trying to get
[46:21.840 -> 46:26.020] to F1 at 18 now, but, but still it's a young man's
[46:26.020 -> 46:29.980] sport as far as you've got to be in it straight away.
[46:29.980 -> 46:35.940] But to answer your question, I guess, in a different fashion, not being 17, but at a
[46:35.940 -> 46:38.260] different age group I should say.
[46:38.260 -> 46:44.580] But once I could see that there's a potential to realise a dream, then I just never stopped
[46:44.580 -> 46:45.680] working towards it.
[46:45.680 -> 46:49.640] No matter what it took, I was just onto it.
[46:49.640 -> 46:53.000] Rightly or wrongly, I probably brushed a few things and people aside.
[46:53.000 -> 46:54.000] But I mean-
[46:54.000 -> 46:55.280] It kind of takes that, though, right?
[46:55.280 -> 46:56.280] It's got to.
[46:56.280 -> 46:58.240] You've got to put everything in.
[46:58.240 -> 47:02.560] It's a funny thing when you look at the ego that it takes to be the best in the world
[47:02.560 -> 47:03.560] at something.
[47:03.560 -> 47:08.160] It's like there's seven billion people on the planet, and you're like, nah, I'm going to be the best. There's a bit of
[47:08.160 -> 47:09.440] ego that has to go into that.
[47:09.440 -> 47:12.960] I think there's a different ego. I think if you think you're good, you're generally not.
[47:12.960 -> 47:14.720] I think believing you're good is something different.
[47:15.760 -> 47:17.440] There's a balance there though, right?
[47:17.440 -> 47:31.360] There is. There's a lot of people who think they're good and they've done nothing. Whereas everybody, 99% of the people I've met in all walks of life, whether it be business,
[47:31.360 -> 47:36.680] sport, music, or whatever, the good guys really are just down to earth people.
[47:36.680 -> 47:38.800] They believe in what they do.
[47:38.800 -> 47:43.520] Whereas the other guys, they've had a little bit of success and that's where they sit because
[47:43.520 -> 47:48.440] they know how good I am and there's a difference between believing and wanting people to know
[47:48.440 -> 47:49.960] how good you are, you know.
[47:49.960 -> 47:53.640] I don't know how many people, I don't know like how public knowledge it is, like how
[47:53.640 -> 48:00.400] hard you work to this day in business, but it's like, it's obviously just like a life
[48:00.400 -> 48:10.200] ethos that you've just, it's just something that's stuck with you forever. And it's like, whether it was to win a 500 MotoGP world title or to achieve the
[48:10.200 -> 48:14.680] things you have, like there's just something that Dylans obviously have,
[48:14.680 -> 48:17.080] that's just like, you just can't really stop.
[48:17.080 -> 48:21.760] I think Jack thinks I'm mad sometimes and, you know, and I push him as much as I can,
[48:21.760 -> 48:24.000] you know, he's my son as well, my son as well.
[48:24.000 -> 48:27.520] So I've got to be careful, you know, and he just thinks I'm an old bastard that,
[48:27.520 -> 48:28.560] you know, what would I know?
[48:28.960 -> 48:32.680] But, uh, you know, which is, which is understandable as well, you know,
[48:32.680 -> 48:34.560] because, you know, he, he doesn't.
[48:34.800 -> 48:38.440] Well, it'd be hard to have the relationship of like, okay, dad, I get it.
[48:38.440 -> 48:41.160] You're like the, one of the best MotoGP dudes of all time.
[48:41.440 -> 48:49.600] But it's like, cause you would, there's like that element where it's like, yeah, you're just the dad that's me. But then there's also would be like that MotoGP dude.
[48:49.600 -> 48:55.600] Like, was that hard for you to find that kind of balance of like respecting the champion
[48:55.600 -> 48:59.120] and then like respecting the dad at the same time?
[48:59.120 -> 49:03.240] From whenever I can remember, I was really into bikes and that's all I really wanted
[49:03.240 -> 49:07.840] to do. And I think it was only from really when I got into school and I started to get a little
[49:07.840 -> 49:12.560] bit older that I don't think it was too late in life, but I really understood.
[49:12.560 -> 49:16.960] And then I really find out who dad is because it's not like he was really trying to enforce
[49:16.960 -> 49:23.200] it or push anything really upon me or who he was to like kind of imply any pressure
[49:23.200 -> 49:24.200] or anything.
[49:24.200 -> 49:29.800] So, yeah, it's kind of always just been my regular dad, obviously.
[49:29.800 -> 49:36.360] I've got him as a huge idol and someone that I know I can always take advice and learn
[49:36.360 -> 49:37.360] off.
[49:37.360 -> 49:38.360] It's hard.
[49:38.360 -> 49:40.360] Is he putting it on for the camera here for you or what?
[49:40.360 -> 49:42.360] No, I know that I do.
[49:42.360 -> 49:43.600] Take advice.
[49:43.600 -> 49:47.940] I think it's always tough, you know from for any father. Yeah relationship
[49:47.940 -> 49:51.800] You know, I think he thinks I'm criticizing him if I say something to him
[49:51.800 -> 49:55.320] So, you know if I would say something to you and you tell him he'll listen to you
[49:55.320 -> 50:01.160] Yeah, and so that's you know, and I understand that so, you know, there's got to be a little bit
[50:01.160 -> 50:04.860] Yeah, you know, but I guess there's less of this of that now anyway
[50:04.860 -> 50:11.920] Yeah, but because Jack's in a different level of where he's at anyway.
[50:11.920 -> 50:16.000] And now it's just refining, really refining. You know, the metal space I
[50:16.000 -> 50:20.000] think is a thing that he can now develop. So you're in like the Red Bull
[50:20.000 -> 50:25.460] Junior team. So how does that whole process work? And has it been like a pretty
[50:25.460 -> 50:27.420] cool experience to be a part of that?
[50:27.420 -> 50:35.720] Yeah, definitely. I've been an athlete since I was 11. And then when we were in my first
[50:35.720 -> 50:39.820] year in Europe racing karts, I think then halfway through the season, we were announced
[50:39.820 -> 50:46.720] into the Red Bull Junior team. And then basically that was the step because they obviously provide the pathway
[50:46.720 -> 50:48.120] to Formula One if you can perform.
[50:48.120 -> 50:49.840] So then I was into Formula Four,
[50:50.680 -> 50:52.760] into the British Formula Four.
[50:52.760 -> 50:54.520] And then we completed that season.
[50:54.520 -> 50:56.200] Obviously I had a teammate who was
[50:56.200 -> 50:57.340] in the Red Bull Junior team as well.
[50:57.340 -> 51:00.120] So it creates a quite good rivalry
[51:00.120 -> 51:02.040] because we both want the same,
[51:02.040 -> 51:03.960] and go on the same spot.
[51:03.960 -> 51:06.480] And obviously there's more than one driver in the program,
[51:06.920 -> 51:10.520] but there's not, say, eight or nine Red Bull F1 seats there.
[51:10.520 -> 51:15.000] So, they kind of try and pitch you against each other to try and see,
[51:15.000 -> 51:17.400] you know, who comes out the best,
[51:17.400 -> 51:22.720] obviously in the same equipment, in the same team and with working with each other.
[51:23.200 -> 51:26.520] So, going up the ranks as well again this year,
[51:26.520 -> 51:29.120] there is, I've got three other guys
[51:29.120 -> 51:30.700] in the Red Bull Junior program.
[51:31.620 -> 51:33.620] Now I don't have one in my team,
[51:33.620 -> 51:36.740] but there's two others in the high-tech team
[51:36.740 -> 51:39.820] and one other just recently announced in the Shrews.
[51:39.820 -> 51:43.060] So I think there's gonna be quite a lot of competitors.
[51:43.060 -> 51:46.000] Yeah, in the F3 grid this year.
[51:46.000 -> 51:48.600] So it's quite a lot of Red Bull juniors there.
[51:48.600 -> 51:53.320] And obviously, we are going to be wanting to progress into F2.
[51:53.320 -> 51:57.880] But we've all got to be the best Red Bull junior team driver out there.
[51:57.880 -> 51:58.880] And that's what we all want.
[51:58.880 -> 52:03.880] So I think aside from all our other competitors, we all want to be the best Red Bull driver
[52:03.880 -> 52:05.080] as well,
[52:05.080 -> 52:06.920] like in any other academy.
[52:07.760 -> 52:10.160] But I think this is the first time
[52:10.160 -> 52:12.800] where there's been quite a number,
[52:12.800 -> 52:16.440] a numerous amount of Red Bull drivers on the same grid.
[52:16.440 -> 52:17.280] Yeah.
[52:17.280 -> 52:21.240] And what's your, I guess like your take on
[52:22.660 -> 52:27.220] how that can help a kid being in an environment like that in terms of
[52:27.220 -> 52:32.440] like I guess there would be the exposure to a program that actually has a
[52:32.440 -> 52:36.400] Formula One team and then forcing competition with people like it what are
[52:36.400 -> 52:43.000] the kind of benefits that you saw with that program? Look the junior team I
[52:43.000 -> 52:53.280] think is good it gives it gives drivers a bunch of tools, you know, the simulator, dealing with the media,
[52:53.280 -> 52:59.080] and again a bit of pressure, you know, whereas outside of the team, you know, Jack touched
[52:59.080 -> 53:04.280] on it briefly, but I think the pressure of actually having to perform, you know, and
[53:04.280 -> 53:07.320] not perhaps being chosen for the following
[53:07.320 -> 53:09.520] year is always there.
[53:09.520 -> 53:12.920] And that's the same as further you go up the sport.
[53:12.920 -> 53:20.000] If you're becoming a paid driver, a professional driver, your seat's always basically, you're
[53:20.000 -> 53:21.720] just a spare part.
[53:21.720 -> 53:24.120] There's another part they can replace you with.
[53:24.120 -> 53:30.100] And there's a lot of people sitting there behind wanting to be in Jack's position or the other driver's position.
[53:30.100 -> 53:36.360] So for me the Red Bull program, a lot of people say it's ruthless. It may be but again-
[53:36.360 -> 53:38.240] But so is Formula One in general.
[53:38.240 -> 53:44.200] And again, it makes the guys, when the going gets tough, the tough get going basically
[53:44.200 -> 53:46.600] and really this just highlights that a little bit.
[53:46.600 -> 53:50.880] Puts them under a bit of pressure, makes them have to perform, but equally as Jack mentioned,
[53:50.880 -> 53:54.720] he wants to beat his team mate and that's going to be the same if he does get to Formula
[53:54.720 -> 53:57.280] One, he's going to want to beat his team mate.
[53:57.280 -> 54:02.040] And you know, there is a bit of rivalry in between all the Red Bull guys, so you know,
[54:02.040 -> 54:03.040] so that's a good thing.
[54:03.040 -> 54:05.260] So but, you know, the rest of it,
[54:05.260 -> 54:09.500] it does enable them to just also see a clearer path, I guess.
[54:09.500 -> 54:14.940] So have you had any races where you felt the pressure and then you messed up and it was
[54:14.940 -> 54:19.460] because of that pressure? And then on the flip side of that, like, do you remember kind
[54:19.460 -> 54:27.000] of any lessons or like growing from that pressure to where you were like, okay, I actually feel like I could handle this better now.
[54:27.000 -> 54:30.600] It was probably like my first year in Formula 4,
[54:30.600 -> 54:35.900] the round three, the British Formula 4 at this track in Thruxton.
[54:35.900 -> 54:39.700] And me and my teammate qualified, we were the quickest there,
[54:39.700 -> 54:44.400] practice was first, I was first, he was second, and then qualifying, he pulled it and I was P2.
[54:44.400 -> 54:45.440] And then off the start, we both got a good launch. practice, I was first, he was second, and then qualifying he pulled it and I was P2.
[54:45.440 -> 54:52.360] And then off the start we both got a good launch and literally it's a quick first turn
[54:52.360 -> 54:54.520] one, turn two, flat out.
[54:54.520 -> 54:56.880] And it follows to right, left, into a right.
[54:56.880 -> 55:00.960] So then after the first right I tried to go to the out, there was a little bit of a space
[55:00.960 -> 55:05.680] on the right side before going into the turn 2.
[55:05.680 -> 55:09.500] And it was a very marginal space.
[55:09.500 -> 55:13.900] And he obviously didn't want to give it up either, because we were both going for the
[55:13.900 -> 55:20.000] first rookie to get the first win, even though I was on lap 1 of a 20-minute race.
[55:20.000 -> 55:22.800] So we were both kind of in the same boat.
[55:22.800 -> 55:25.700] And Ljana went in in and obviously he didn't want
[55:25.700 -> 55:29.700] to give it up, I didn't want to give it up and we made contact and I unfortunately ended
[55:29.700 -> 55:32.340] up coming off Circum Bess and spun out.
[55:32.340 -> 55:39.540] Luckily I didn't go under the wall but I dropped back to last and then had to come back through.
[55:39.540 -> 55:46.960] So I think that definitely made me realise that sometimes, as well in motor racing, I think
[55:46.960 -> 55:52.800] as a clear thing, you don't win the race on that one, but as well, just to pick the time
[55:52.800 -> 55:59.400] better and not try and overload the pressure as much at an early stage and be calm overall
[55:59.400 -> 56:05.920] and try and picture, obviously, as a Red Bull car and my Red Bull Junior Team teammate that
[56:05.920 -> 56:11.560] I want to beat, but also try and mix it in just like it's another one of my normal competitors
[56:11.560 -> 56:15.080] and not have to, I think, I have to get past him straight away.
[56:15.080 -> 56:18.480] And you think you learned a bit about, like, after that crash?
[56:18.480 -> 56:22.880] Because, like, it obviously sucks and I'm sure there would have been a lot of emotions
[56:22.880 -> 56:26.600] in the moment, but then you think that you actually carried that lesson through,
[56:26.600 -> 56:29.200] you know, these next seasons that you've kind of been in?
[56:29.200 -> 56:31.200] Yeah, definitely.
[56:32.200 -> 56:35.400] Even just like on that same weekend,
[56:35.400 -> 56:38.600] it was race three, me and him were again starting first and second,
[56:38.600 -> 56:41.800] and it was quite hairy for the first five laps.
[56:41.800 -> 56:44.800] And I just obviously listening from race one,
[56:44.800 -> 56:45.300] and I did cop listening from race one and I
[56:45.300 -> 56:54.940] did cop a fair amount of smack from everyone really because I definitely had the speed to
[56:54.940 -> 56:59.860] win the race and it wasn't necessary but it was a rookie mistake that I think it
[56:59.860 -> 57:04.980] was you know good to make early in the season probably not at that point when I
[57:04.980 -> 57:06.040] had that amount of pace,
[57:06.040 -> 57:07.440] but it had to be made.
[57:07.440 -> 57:08.840] And then yeah, the third race,
[57:08.840 -> 57:11.000] I was able to buy my time a little bit more
[57:11.000 -> 57:12.340] and wait for him to make a mistake
[57:12.340 -> 57:13.960] and then we're able to get past.
[57:13.960 -> 57:16.080] I think just that learning curve
[57:16.080 -> 57:18.080] and having that happen in race one,
[57:18.080 -> 57:21.360] then to be able to then buy my time
[57:21.360 -> 57:24.200] and make it obviously in a cleaner place
[57:24.200 -> 57:26.100] or wait for him to make a mistake
[57:26.100 -> 57:29.760] after applying on the pressure to go on and win the race.
[57:29.760 -> 57:32.600] So when you drove the Formula,
[57:32.600 -> 57:36.600] your Formula One car experience, how was that?
[57:36.600 -> 57:39.880] And like, can you imagine being,
[57:39.880 -> 57:42.440] I mean, obviously it's not like you have to imagine
[57:42.440 -> 57:45.000] too hard of a racing is like, but in a car,
[57:45.000 -> 57:46.860] and especially like an open wheeled car
[57:46.860 -> 57:50.580] where any contact is so critical to the car,
[57:50.580 -> 57:53.840] like, does your, do you think that that F1 experience
[57:53.840 -> 57:55.780] that you had kind of has given you some insight
[57:55.780 -> 57:56.960] into that kind of racing?
[57:56.960 -> 57:57.880] No, not really.
[57:57.880 -> 57:58.720] You know, so.
[57:58.720 -> 57:59.540] Was it enough?
[57:59.540 -> 58:01.960] It, you know, I think I can imagine
[58:01.960 -> 58:04.560] what the, what the racing's like anyway.
[58:04.560 -> 58:06.200] But, you know, that was a media day
[58:06.960 -> 58:11.240] basically, you know a few laps and then plenty of press and yeah, right self and the
[58:11.960 -> 58:14.480] Tommy Mac and then it was a world rally champion
[58:14.480 -> 58:21.920] Oh, right and and then Jacques Villeneuve, we all had the same sponsor essentially and we're all world champions at that year
[58:21.920 -> 58:23.920] so it was a it was just a
[58:22.080 -> 58:28.380] and we're all world champions that year. So it was just a demo basically run, you know,
[58:28.380 -> 58:32.180] whereas I managed to crash it and Tommy managed to crash it twice in total.
[58:32.180 -> 58:35.380] So I don't think Frank Williams was too happy at the end of it.
[58:35.380 -> 58:36.880] Oh, wow.
[58:36.880 -> 58:37.380] But you know.
[58:37.380 -> 58:38.380] That's hectic.
[58:38.380 -> 58:42.180] So you guys just made a total mess of that day.
[58:42.180 -> 58:43.580] But you know, McLaren offered me,
[58:43.580 -> 58:45.940] Ron Dennis used to offer me all the time to come and
[58:45.940 -> 58:50.320] test the car, you know, but I was never really interested in the cars.
[58:50.320 -> 58:55.760] I did a few race of champions and things like that, but I mean, you know, at the end of
[58:55.760 -> 58:59.960] the day I think the racing's the same, you know, you want to make clean passes, you don't
[58:59.960 -> 59:04.320] want to make contact because you never know who's going to come off best on the contact,
[59:04.320 -> 59:05.160] you know. So sometimes you even think, you know, I'll do this and who's going to come off best. Yeah. On the contact, you know.
[59:05.160 -> 59:09.200] So sometimes you even think, you know, I'll do this and he's going to be the one spinning
[59:09.200 -> 59:14.160] and it happens the other way that somebody, you end up being the one spinning.
[59:14.160 -> 59:18.280] And a bit the same with bikes, you know, you can't really make contact, you know.
[59:18.280 -> 59:19.280] Yeah.
[59:19.280 -> 59:24.600] You can belt elbows a little bit and force the issue but it's best to be clean and I
[59:24.600 -> 59:26.840] think that's the same in four
[59:26.840 -> 59:31.960] or two wheels. You've got to be decisive. I think Jack reflected on that a little bit,
[59:31.960 -> 59:37.360] which is waiting for his teammate to make a small mistake or to see an opening and then
[59:37.360 -> 59:46.280] just make the pass. Touch wood, Jack's pretty good at making clean passes, you know, the one thing he does do well is is when he does pass
[59:46.280 -> 59:53.360] it's a it's a clear decisive pass and and whether bikes or cars that's that's the main thing is just
[59:54.040 -> 01:00:01.240] yeah to get it done quickly and and and cleanly and then less chance of rubbing wheels, but as you say if you
[01:00:01.880 -> 01:00:05.240] Full a four-wheel car an open-wheel car and well I
[01:00:05.240 -> 01:00:10.920] guess they're all four wheels aren't they? They do make some weird stuff.
[01:00:10.920 -> 01:00:16.040] But you know clipping wheels isn't sensational isn't you know so it is for
[01:00:16.040 -> 01:00:21.040] the television that's about all that I mean so you know I've never had that
[01:00:21.040 -> 01:00:26.160] experience of doing that other than the odd go-kart race. Do you still get into the go-karts at home at all?
[01:00:26.160 -> 01:00:27.560] You probably don't have that much time, I guess.
[01:00:27.560 -> 01:00:28.920] A little bit, I do, yeah.
[01:00:28.920 -> 01:00:30.520] So no, I can still manage.
[01:00:30.520 -> 01:00:32.560] Is he handy?
[01:00:32.560 -> 01:00:36.360] For a few laps.
[01:00:36.360 -> 01:00:40.240] Is that competitive urge, like when, say, you guys get out on the go-kart track together?
[01:00:40.240 -> 01:00:41.240] Yeah.
[01:00:41.240 -> 01:00:43.240] How heavy is that urge, that competitive urge still?
[01:00:43.240 -> 01:00:45.400] Yeah, as he says, for a lap or two and then
[01:00:45.800 -> 01:00:47.720] And then I'm not doing that much of it
[01:00:47.720 -> 01:00:48.960] So I get you know
[01:00:48.960 -> 01:00:53.340] I'm just nowhere near conditioned enough to be able to compete with somebody like Jack or
[01:00:53.600 -> 01:00:59.480] Some of the other guys that are driving carts all the time. So, you know do a lap and it's fairly ragged
[01:00:59.480 -> 01:01:02.900] So, you know, give it up really five laps of pulling
[01:01:04.360 -> 01:01:05.040] But you know in years gone by you see quite a bit of carting. Yeah So, then I just give it up and do five laps of pulling.
[01:01:05.040 -> 01:01:08.440] But in years gone by, I used to do quite a bit of karting.
[01:01:08.440 -> 01:01:09.440] Yeah.
[01:01:09.440 -> 01:01:10.440] Yeah.
[01:01:10.440 -> 01:01:11.960] There's something so fun about karts.
[01:01:11.960 -> 01:01:14.840] I feel like, I mean, I guess that's why they're just all over the world.
[01:01:14.840 -> 01:01:18.560] Like you can go and rent one at basically any city.
[01:01:18.560 -> 01:01:23.760] There's definitely something super fun about that experience of karting and karting with
[01:01:23.760 -> 01:01:24.760] your mates as well.
[01:01:24.760 -> 01:01:30.960] No, absolutely. No, they're good fun. But, you know, the same as I say, if you start
[01:01:30.960 -> 01:01:36.080] clipping wheels, anything can happen, the rollovers do. So, you know, thankfully now
[01:01:36.080 -> 01:01:42.480] they've got a little bit more protection around them than years ago. But a lot of fun. And
[01:01:42.480 -> 01:01:45.840] then they're quite high speed some of these ones. Yeah.
[01:01:45.840 -> 01:01:49.720] Especially the ones that these guys are now, you know, driving and testing and testing
[01:01:49.720 -> 01:01:50.720] themselves in.
[01:01:50.720 -> 01:01:51.720] So it's quite good.
[01:01:51.720 -> 01:01:58.920] So we'll close it up with maybe one of your favorite stories from the Australian GP because
[01:01:58.920 -> 01:02:02.920] this was my first Aus GP and I was there for two days.
[01:02:02.920 -> 01:02:06.560] I didn't get to see a Formula One car hit the road at all.
[01:02:06.560 -> 01:02:07.560] Do you have any-
[01:02:07.560 -> 01:02:08.800] You weren't there for the two seater
[01:02:08.800 -> 01:02:09.920] running around in the morning?
[01:02:09.920 -> 01:02:12.440] No, I was there but I was working.
[01:02:12.440 -> 01:02:14.800] But do you have some like really fun memories
[01:02:14.800 -> 01:02:15.640] and favorite memories?
[01:02:15.640 -> 01:02:16.800] Because you were close with Schumacher,
[01:02:16.800 -> 01:02:17.640] are close with Schumacher.
[01:02:17.640 -> 01:02:19.800] Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean at Formula One events
[01:02:19.800 -> 01:02:22.120] it's just, you know, to show up and watch or whatever.
[01:02:22.120 -> 01:02:25.400] So, but you know, the amount of motorsport events
[01:02:25.400 -> 01:02:27.200] I've been to over the years, you know,
[01:02:27.200 -> 01:02:32.200] from Indy 500s to, I haven't been to a NASCAR,
[01:02:32.400 -> 01:02:35.200] I have, I don't know, but you know, V8 supercars,
[01:02:35.200 -> 01:02:38.000] to, you know, all different formats
[01:02:38.000 -> 01:02:41.800] of world motocross races to supercross.
[01:02:41.800 -> 01:02:43.440] So I've got so many different stories,
[01:02:43.440 -> 01:02:45.460] so I think that's another podcast. Yeah.
[01:02:45.460 -> 01:02:48.320] I can't believe it.
[01:02:48.320 -> 01:02:51.480] But generally, because I enjoy motorsport,
[01:02:51.480 -> 01:02:54.560] I enjoy every facet of it, whether it's
[01:02:54.560 -> 01:02:58.200] hanging out in the pits watching what people are doing,
[01:02:58.200 -> 01:03:01.440] as you say, Jack, analyzing different things
[01:03:01.440 -> 01:03:04.960] at the circuit, the same type of thing.
[01:03:04.960 -> 01:03:05.080] And then there's some off-track activities, which is, again, probably another podcast as well. different things you know at the circuit the same type of thing so you know and
[01:03:05.080 -> 01:03:08.280] then there's some off-track activities which is again probably another podcast
[01:03:08.280 -> 01:03:13.080] as well but I mean but there's so many different there's so many good times
[01:03:13.080 -> 01:03:17.440] I've had been involved with motorsport as long as I've been involved that you
[01:03:17.440 -> 01:03:22.880] know to highlight one particular story I think I need to be led down that story
[01:03:22.880 -> 01:03:31.320] yeah yeah put on the spot Jack, I guess final thoughts from you mate. What's going to be
[01:03:31.320 -> 01:03:35.080] going on for these next couple of years for you?
[01:03:35.080 -> 01:03:42.160] Hopefully the situation gets better, the COVID-19 and we can get back racing as quick as possible.
[01:03:42.160 -> 01:03:46.520] And yeah, hopefully the F3 calendar goes ahead and we can, if it's
[01:03:46.520 -> 01:03:53.600] shortened or not, and we can get the season started and hopefully have a good year, be
[01:03:53.600 -> 01:03:58.720] performing up on the podium most weekends, just trying to get out there and be performing
[01:03:58.720 -> 01:04:10.680] if not winning. So that would be definitely what we want to do this year. And yeah, keep progressing, keep going up until really, you know, it's clearly not possible.
[01:04:10.680 -> 01:04:13.120] Hopefully that is a last resort.
[01:04:13.120 -> 01:04:18.840] Yeah, I'd just like to get the opportunity and obviously you need to do that.
[01:04:18.840 -> 01:04:24.360] You need to be performing and hopefully to get to Formula One because it's why we're
[01:04:24.360 -> 01:04:28.940] here. It's what we're doing, otherwise what's the point?
[01:04:28.940 -> 01:04:34.100] If that's not going to be the end goal, then I don't think, if you're not going to put
[01:04:34.100 -> 01:04:38.100] effort, not going to put the time in, then it's obviously a lot of waste of money for
[01:04:38.100 -> 01:04:39.100] Dad.
[01:04:39.100 -> 01:04:44.580] His time in Europe, travelling all over the world for me, as well as mixing in work, so
[01:04:44.580 -> 01:04:47.360] it's a huge family commitment.
[01:04:47.360 -> 01:04:51.320] And for everyone, for the team, you know, working, they all want to be winning as well.
[01:04:51.320 -> 01:04:57.560] So it comes down to me and just wanting to extract the best out of myself.
[01:04:57.560 -> 01:05:02.480] Obviously, I think I have the speed and the talent to do it, but that's just one side
[01:05:02.480 -> 01:05:03.480] of it.
[01:05:03.480 -> 01:05:06.800] You know, obviously, then there's a whole other ballgame that comes into the thing.
[01:05:06.800 -> 01:05:13.920] So I think if I can connect all the dots together and be the best me that I can be when I'm
[01:05:13.920 -> 01:05:20.960] out on track and off the track, then hopefully we can get to that end goal in the next year
[01:05:20.960 -> 01:05:21.960] or two.
[01:05:21.960 -> 01:05:27.800] Well, mate, I've enjoyed the small part of watching what you've done over the last few
[01:05:27.800 -> 01:05:33.520] years already and I can definitely see the work that you put in and it's been cool, it's
[01:05:33.520 -> 01:05:37.760] been really cool to watch and it's been really cool to have two generations of Dylans in
[01:05:37.760 -> 01:05:38.760] the studio.
[01:05:38.760 -> 01:05:44.240] So I really appreciate your time for coming on to the Red Bull Talking Bull podcast and
[01:05:44.240 -> 01:05:46.160] maybe the next time Jack's on
[01:05:46.160 -> 01:05:52.480] it'll be because he's in one of those two Red Bull seats or in the Formula 1 class.
[01:05:52.480 -> 01:05:56.880] So appreciate the time boys. That'd be nice. Yeah. Thanks mate. Can't wait for that. Cheers boys.
[01:05:56.880 -> 01:06:02.240] Well thank you so much guys for listening to this special edition of Talking Bull Down Under.
[01:06:02.240 -> 01:06:05.600] Stay safe and look after yourselves. Be sure to subscribe
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[01:06:10.640 -> 01:06:14.920] We'll leave you with a brand new track from the Red Bull family. This one's called Big
[01:06:14.920 -> 01:06:27.800] Ups. Enjoy. I'm a motivated baby Give a f*** what you do, no that's just not my place
[01:06:27.800 -> 01:06:32.000] Yeah, uh, doing me can't choose all the things that come my way
[01:06:32.000 -> 01:06:35.000] I ain't got nothing for me, I'm not gon' bother
[01:06:35.000 -> 01:06:37.400] I'm a memory, I'm not your father
[01:06:37.400 -> 01:06:41.200] More life, more drink, one time, no bad vibrations
[01:06:41.200 -> 01:06:43.800] Yeah, run and plays, let me show you what the team do
[01:06:43.800 -> 01:06:45.880] Calling out the bush, sh bush, it's me too
[01:06:44.880 -> 01:06:47.880] You ain't seen the full clip, just the previews
[01:06:46.880 -> 01:06:49.880] If you talk, ayy, bitch, I don't see you
[01:06:49.080 -> 01:06:52.080] So look, why ain't I show you how a king move?
[01:06:51.280 -> 01:06:54.280] So much paper, you'da thought I was illegal
[01:06:53.280 -> 01:06:56.280] Got some bars for your sweet tooth, trick or treat, dude
[01:06:55.280 -> 01:06:58.280] Haters and frenemies and everyone in between you
[01:06:57.480 -> 01:07:02.480] Biggers, all my haters
[01:07:01.280 -> 01:07:07.000] I said, bigger, you're my motivator, yeah
[01:07:07.000 -> 01:07:11.000] Bigger the, bigger the, bigger the answer The bigger the, bigger the, bigger the paper
[01:07:11.000 -> 01:07:15.000] Bigger, all my haters
[01:07:15.000 -> 01:07:18.000] Ayy yo, as long as your pain, your rent on time
[01:07:18.000 -> 01:07:22.000] You can let them hate, you're fine Friday night, hot tub, us one wine
[01:07:22.000 -> 01:07:26.000] Feel the baseline in your waistline Why you so negative?
[01:07:26.000 -> 01:07:28.000] Let em all talk, they irrelevant
[01:07:28.000 -> 01:07:30.000] Baby girl, you can just stay a bit
[01:07:30.000 -> 01:07:32.000] Calm down, we can just settle this
[01:07:32.000 -> 01:07:34.000] Yeah
[01:07:34.000 -> 01:07:36.000] Inhale, exhale
[01:07:36.000 -> 01:07:38.000] Breathe slowly, right
[01:07:38.000 -> 01:07:40.000] Calm down, you're on now
[01:07:40.000 -> 01:07:42.000] You already know you're on
[01:07:42.000 -> 01:07:46.000] Biggers, are my haters I said biggest, you're my motivator
[01:07:46.000 -> 01:07:48.000] Bigger the bigger the bigger the haters
[01:07:48.000 -> 01:07:50.000] Bigger the bigger the bigger the haters
[01:07:50.000 -> 01:07:52.000] Bigger the bigger the bigger the haters
[01:07:52.000 -> 01:07:54.000] Bigger the bigger the bigger the haters
[01:07:54.000 -> 01:07:56.000] Bigger the bigger the bigger the haters
[01:07:56.000 -> 01:07:58.000] Bigger the bigger the bigger the haters
[01:07:58.000 -> 01:08:00.000] Bigger the bigger the bigger the haters
[01:08:00.000 -> 01:08:02.000] Bigger the bigger the bigger the haters
[01:08:02.000 -> 01:08:04.000] Bigger the bigger the bigger the haters
[01:08:04.000 -> 01:08:06.640] Bigger the bigger the bigger the haters Bigger the bigger the bigger the haters I'm the almighty, no time for haters tryna get it like me
[01:08:06.640 -> 01:08:14.280] I see you over there tryna bite me, no negativity we ain't fighting
[01:08:14.280 -> 01:08:19.520] Make a no comment waste my time, yeah, we'll be fine
[01:08:19.520 -> 01:08:28.000] Don't burn wine, no kiss and ride Destined for greatness, yeah that's mine Best of your life for me Make me go chop money
[01:08:28.000 -> 01:08:33.000] Don't be sorry, ain't sorry Pull up on me for your only
[01:08:33.000 -> 01:08:41.000] Biggers, all my haters I said biggers, you're my motivator
[01:08:41.000 -> 01:08:45.000] Bigger the, bigger the, bigger the head To the bigger, the bigger, the bigger, the paper
[01:08:44.000 -> None] Bigger, to all my haters You