Hannah Schmitz, Ana Groom and Rosanne Elvin: Strategy, aerodynamics, terrain and life at the Team

Nicola Hume speaks to three women from very different parts of the Team on The Official Oracle Red Bull Racing Podcast, brought to you by HP Poly – delivering exclusive unrivalled access to the Team.

To coincide with International Women in Engineering Day On this month's episode, we speak to Principal Strategy Engineer, Hannah Schmitz, Aerodynamics Engineer, Ana Groom and Simulator Terrain Modeller, Rosanne Elvin. They share what each of their roles entail and how they first managed to get a job on the Team.

Also, they each bring an item to enter in our 'Oracle Red Bull Racing in 100 Objects' hall of fame, they answer a stack of your fan questions, plus we have a little game at the end to put them through their paces.

**Introduction**

* Nicola Hulme welcomes listeners to the Talking Bull podcast, sponsored by HP Poly.
* The episode focuses on highlighting the contributions of exceptional women at Oracle Red Bull Racing.

**Guest Introductions**

* Hannah Schmitz, Principal Strategy Engineer
* Anna Groom, Aerodynamics Engineer
* Roseanne Elvin, Simulated Terrain Modeler

**Hannah Schmitz**

* Schmitz has been with Red Bull for 14 years, starting in vehicle dynamics before moving to strategy.
* She enjoys the problem-solving aspect of strategy and the ability to connect with various aspects of the team.
* Schmitz maintains composure during races by focusing on the task at hand and relying on preparation.
* When trackside, she works in the operations room to provide information to the strategist on the pit wall.
* Schmitz emphasizes the importance of adaptability and communication in race strategy.

**Anna Groom**

* Groom has been with Red Bull for four years, joining straight out of university.
* She initially worked in aerospace before transitioning to motorsport due to its faster pace.
* Groom currently works in the development team for aerodynamics and supports the aero performance group during races.
* She explains the process of designing and testing floor upgrades in the wind tunnel.
* Groom highlights the challenges of working within budget constraints and the importance of planning.

**Roseanne Elvin**

* Elvin has been with Red Bull for over seven years, initially working on the F1 simulator's visual representation.
* She transitioned to Red Bull Advanced Technologies two years ago and now works as a simulation terrain modeler.
* Elvin explains the process of creating realistic virtual representations of race tracks, especially new ones like Las Vegas.
* She emphasizes the importance of using accurate data and collaborating with other departments.

**Collaboration and Women in Motorsport**

* The guests discuss the importance of collaboration among different departments within the team.
* They also acknowledge the growing presence of women in motorsport and express their support for inspiring young girls.

**100 Objects Game**

* The guests reveal the items they brought to represent their time at Red Bull:
* Roseanne Elvin: Her laptop, symbolizing her work in simulation and data analysis.
* Anna Groom: A model car from the wind tunnel, representing her contributions to aerodynamic development.
* Hannah Schmitz: A race strategy notebook, highlighting her role in planning and executing race strategies.


**Navigating Formula One as a Woman: Perspectives and Experiences from Red Bull Racing Team Members**

**Personal Artifacts and Their Significance:**

Each team member presents a personal item that holds special significance to them in their Formula One journey. Hannah Schmitz brings her laptop, emphasizing its importance in her work as a strategy engineer, as it contains crucial data and insights that help her make strategic decisions during races. Anna Allet showcases a wind tunnel barge board model, highlighting the intricate design and meticulous development process that goes into optimizing aerodynamic performance. Rosanne Di Bartolo shares a pair of headphones, symbolizing her aspiration to be involved in race operations and her excitement about contributing to the team's success.

**Navigating a Male-Dominated Industry:**

The conversation then delves into the challenges and opportunities of being a woman in Formula One, a traditionally male-dominated sport. The panelists share their experiences and perspectives on how they have overcome obstacles and biases to succeed in their respective roles. They emphasize the importance of self-confidence, perseverance, and mentorship in navigating the industry.

**Advice for Aspiring Women in STEM Fields:**

The panelists offer valuable advice to young women and girls interested in pursuing careers in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics) fields, including Formula One. They encourage them to follow their passions, trust in their abilities, and not be discouraged by societal expectations or stereotypes. They also highlight the importance of seeking out mentors and role models who can provide guidance and support.

**Strategic Decisions and Race Operations:**

The discussion shifts to the intricacies of strategic decision-making during races. Hannah Schmitz, as the team's strategist, provides insights into the complex process of analyzing data, predicting race scenarios, and communicating with the drivers and pit wall to optimize performance. She emphasizes the importance of collaboration and effective communication in making timely and informed decisions.

**Handling Multiple Responsibilities:**

Hannah Schmitz also addresses the challenge of managing multiple responsibilities during a race, including communicating with various team members, monitoring race conditions, and making strategic calls. She explains the importance of prioritizing tasks, delegating responsibilities, and maintaining clear communication channels to ensure smooth operations.

**Equal Opportunities in Formula One:**

The panelists discuss the ongoing efforts to promote equal opportunities and diversity in Formula One. They acknowledge the progress that has been made but emphasize the need for continued initiatives to encourage more women and underrepresented groups to join the sport. They express hope that their experiences and successes can inspire young people to pursue careers in Formula One, regardless of gender or background.

**The HP Poly Challenge:**

The episode concludes with a fun challenge sponsored by HP Poly, a partner of the Talking Bull podcast. The panelists are tasked with identifying four voices from a montage of audio clips featuring prominent Red Bull Racing personnel. They successfully guess the voices of Max Verstappen, Hannah Schmitz herself, Pierre Wache, and David Coulthard, demonstrating their familiarity with the team and its members.

Overall, this episode of the Talking Bull podcast offers a unique and insightful perspective on the experiences and perspectives of women working in Formula One. The panelists' candid discussions about their challenges, successes, and aspirations provide valuable insights into the changing landscape of the sport and the ongoing efforts to promote diversity and inclusion.

[00:00.000 -> 00:09.000] The Talking Bull podcast is back. Expect funny moments, plenty of action and untold stories throughout the years. Brought to you by HP Poly.
[00:10.000 -> 00:18.000] Hello and welcome back to Talking Bull brought to you by HP Poly. I'm Nicola Hulme. We are here in Milton Keynes talking all things Oracle Red Bull Racing.
[00:24.000 -> 00:28.000] we are championing the top female talent here at Red Bull. It's actually quite exciting to be joined by three incredible women
[00:28.000 -> 00:32.000] that play a crucial role in the progression and the development of the team.
[00:32.000 -> 00:35.000] So let's start things off with guest number one,
[00:35.000 -> 00:37.000] somebody that you might recognize from the pit wall.
[00:37.000 -> 00:40.000] It is Principal Strategy Engineer Hannah Schmitz.
[00:40.000 -> 00:41.000] Hi.
[00:41.000 -> 00:45.840] Secondly, an absolute vital cog in the team's floor building and wind tunnel testing, it
[00:45.840 -> 00:48.440] is aerodynamics engineer, Anna Groom.
[00:48.440 -> 00:49.440] Hello.
[00:49.440 -> 00:54.040] And finally, one of the team behind the magic of the sim is simulated terrain modeler, Roseanne
[00:54.040 -> 00:55.040] Elvin.
[00:55.040 -> 00:58.040] Welcome to the podcast.
[00:58.040 -> 00:59.040] Hi.
[00:59.040 -> 01:09.360] Have we taken a lot of time out of your busy day for you to come and have a chat with us? It's nice. It's nice to do something different and get away from the busyness of the day.
[01:09.360 -> 01:10.360] It'll always be a busy day.
[01:10.360 -> 01:14.200] Yeah, that's fair. I was going to say, because actually, as we're recording, we're kind of
[01:14.200 -> 01:17.960] building up to a race weekend. So does that make everything just that little bit busier
[01:17.960 -> 01:18.960] for you guys?
[01:18.960 -> 01:23.720] For me, definitely. Because obviously, the race is kind of when all the race strategy
[01:23.720 -> 01:26.640] happens. So the build-up is really busy for us.
[01:26.640 -> 01:32.960] But yeah, I mean, for me, we're working more towards the next floor upgrade deadline, so
[01:32.960 -> 01:33.960] that's coming in the next few weeks.
[01:33.960 -> 01:34.960] I want to chat to you about that in a minute.
[01:34.960 -> 01:35.960] What about you, Roseanne?
[01:35.960 -> 01:36.960] The F1 bit doesn't affect me at all.
[01:36.960 -> 01:44.280] Well, actually, yeah, we're going to talk about that a little bit more later on.
[01:44.280 -> 01:48.120] But first of all, I want to start with you, Hannah, if that's all right. Because actually, I don't
[01:48.120 -> 01:53.020] know if you know this, but in the last episode, we had a chat with Adrian Newey. And I said
[01:53.020 -> 01:57.000] on the episode, if anyone that was listening or watching wanted to hear from anyone in
[01:57.000 -> 02:04.200] particular on this podcast, let us know. Your name came up a lot. A lot. You seem to be
[02:04.200 -> 02:06.600] quite a recognisable voice now here at Red Bull.
[02:06.600 -> 02:07.760] How does that make you feel?
[02:07.760 -> 02:10.480] Yeah, I feel like that's a bit of additional pressure,
[02:10.480 -> 02:14.440] but I guess pressure is what we're used to in our jobs, so that's fine.
[02:14.440 -> 02:17.440] I think it's nice, as you touched on earlier,
[02:17.440 -> 02:21.240] you don't always see that many female engineers.
[02:21.240 -> 02:23.520] I think it's great if it can help inspire
[02:23.520 -> 02:28.000] the next generation and just show that really, no matter matter who you are there's a place for you here.
[02:28.000 -> 02:32.320] Yeah and you can do a job that you really love and that you really find
[02:32.320 -> 02:36.240] exciting. So let's chat about your time here at Red Bull. So how long have you
[02:36.240 -> 02:40.320] been working here? So I've been here 14 years now I think it's 14 years
[02:40.320 -> 02:46.000] this month so yeah. That's a long time. It's a long time. Yeah. So straight from when I
[02:46.000 -> 02:51.280] graduated, I've always worked at Red Bull. Beforehand, I worked more in vehicle dynamics
[02:51.280 -> 02:55.680] side of things. And then I moved into strategy. I've been in strategy about 12 and a half years
[02:55.680 -> 03:00.880] now. Well, here's the thing, right? How did you realize that you were good at strategy? Did you
[03:00.880 -> 03:04.720] kind of realize that you had a knack for it? It's not something you normally study at university.
[03:04.720 -> 03:06.640] How did you end up in this job?
[03:06.640 -> 03:09.280] Yeah, exactly. So that's actually, loads of people are always asking,
[03:09.840 -> 03:13.920] how can I do it? Is there a race strategy degree? No, there definitely isn't. It's just all about
[03:13.920 -> 03:20.400] problem solving and enjoying that kind of strategic way of thinking, I guess. So for me,
[03:20.400 -> 03:27.640] like, in our personal time, we play lots of ball games. So that was kind of a hint that
[03:27.640 -> 03:31.340] I would like that kind of thing. And then once I started at Red Bull, I got to know
[03:31.340 -> 03:35.140] people that worked in the strategy department and became friends with them socially and
[03:35.140 -> 03:38.720] then learned more and more about the role and realized that's kind of what I wanted.
[03:38.720 -> 03:52.200] I wanted to be more directly connected to the races and a bit more know quite a lot about everything but not necessarily be a specific expert in any particular part of detail. And that's what
[03:52.200 -> 03:56.280] I like about strategy. So you have to know a lot about everything that's going on and
[03:56.280 -> 04:01.280] take all this information in and then decide what that means for the big picture and make
[04:01.280 -> 04:10.960] the decisions. And that's what I really enjoy. So when you are trackside, how do you manage to stay calm? Because I guess it's a lot of
[04:10.960 -> 04:15.520] planning but also a lot of flexibility at the same time in stressful situations.
[04:15.520 -> 04:22.000] Yes, I think that sums it up perfectly. So yes, you've always got plans and everything's in place
[04:22.000 -> 04:25.560] but I think you've always got to be adaptable when you're sitting on that seat
[04:25.560 -> 04:27.540] and make sure you're not too kind of,
[04:27.540 -> 04:30.640] well, before the race I said I was gonna only do a one stop,
[04:30.640 -> 04:33.080] so I don't mind that it's now a two stop race.
[04:33.080 -> 04:35.440] You know, you've always got to be adaptable
[04:35.440 -> 04:37.820] and change your decisions.
[04:37.820 -> 04:40.320] For me, I think it's the time when I'm most calm
[04:40.320 -> 04:43.800] because there's so much adrenaline,
[04:43.800 -> 04:45.840] you finally feel like that responsibility,
[04:45.840 -> 04:48.360] this is your job, it's the thing you're here to do.
[04:48.360 -> 04:52.440] And so I think for me, it's just a sense of calm comes over me
[04:52.440 -> 04:55.120] when the start lights go out, and that's kind of right,
[04:55.120 -> 04:57.800] I'm here to do this job, I've got to stay calm
[04:57.800 -> 04:59.400] and make these decisions.
[04:59.400 -> 05:01.720] So when, because you actually share your trackside time
[05:01.720 -> 05:03.000] with Will Courtney.
[05:03.000 -> 05:09.280] So when he's trackside at the pit wall, where are you and what are you doing? And so then I'm in the operations room here in Milton
[05:09.280 -> 05:13.840] Keynes and then helping make sure all the information, so that's really where we're doing
[05:13.840 -> 05:19.040] all the detailed analysis of all the data and passing that information on to that person on
[05:19.040 -> 05:23.440] the pit wall so that they can make the decisions. So making sure that information is passed on in
[05:23.440 -> 05:26.300] the way that I know I would want to receive it.
[05:26.300 -> 05:28.340] So it really helps us alternating the role
[05:28.340 -> 05:29.620] because we each know what it's like
[05:29.620 -> 05:31.060] to be that person there.
[05:31.060 -> 05:33.260] And so we know exactly that information.
[05:33.260 -> 05:35.380] If we overhear, like we have so much support
[05:35.380 -> 05:37.220] in the Ops room, people helping us.
[05:37.220 -> 05:38.620] So if we overhear someone saying,
[05:38.620 -> 05:40.980] oh, this driver commented this on the radio,
[05:40.980 -> 05:43.180] be like, yeah, that's important, pass it on.
[05:44.060 -> 05:46.160] So yeah, that again is another,
[05:46.160 -> 05:50.880] yeah, really interesting role to do. And I think kind of having the split makes us really
[05:50.880 -> 05:51.680] strong as a team.
[05:51.680 -> 05:57.440] So again, do you kind of like a, you approach each race like it's a puzzle in a way?
[05:57.440 -> 06:01.520] Yeah, so I think that's a good way of putting it. Exactly. I always say it's really like
[06:01.520 -> 06:06.720] playing a board game. It's just the results really matter.
[06:12.480 -> 06:18.000] You've got to get it right. And obviously, drivers aren't necessarily pieces as well, that you can always make move in the way you want to. So it's about understanding the limitations
[06:18.000 -> 06:24.080] of the car and always managing risk, really. So it's never a right and wrong answer,
[06:24.080 -> 06:25.680] unfortunately. So it's all about right and wrong answer, unfortunately.
[06:25.680 -> 06:27.560] So it's all about balancing the risk
[06:27.560 -> 06:29.960] and taking on all the information,
[06:29.960 -> 06:31.900] the data and the opinions of people,
[06:31.900 -> 06:33.600] which I think is what makes it really unique.
[06:33.600 -> 06:35.360] It's not just about the numbers.
[06:35.360 -> 06:38.840] You can just write a formula and go and do that strategy
[06:38.840 -> 06:40.080] and it always win.
[06:40.080 -> 06:43.640] It's about also taking on, yeah, what's the weather doing?
[06:43.640 -> 06:45.920] What's this person's opinion?
[06:50.000 -> 06:51.920] What's the driver's feeling? So there's lots of different things to... Heather Well, that's what I was going to ask,
[06:51.920 -> 06:57.840] is a lot of people have an opinion when it comes to a strategy of each race. So how much
[06:57.840 -> 07:02.560] do you take on board from Christian or from Max or from Checo? How much do you take on board from
[07:02.560 -> 07:06.640] them without kind of going, I think you might be wrong and I might be right.
[07:06.640 -> 07:12.120] I think it's always important to like have the belief in yourself as well. And you are
[07:12.120 -> 07:15.720] the person there that's run all the simulations overnight and you know what you're talking
[07:15.720 -> 07:21.040] about. But you shouldn't just ignore people either. So for example, on paper, two tire
[07:21.040 -> 07:25.020] compounds might look very similar in terms of lap time and grip,
[07:25.020 -> 07:25.960] but the driver will say,
[07:25.960 -> 07:28.640] I just feel like way better on this tyre
[07:28.640 -> 07:29.940] and I can push more in traffic
[07:29.940 -> 07:31.960] and I know it might be a little bit slower,
[07:31.960 -> 07:33.820] but for me that's better,
[07:33.820 -> 07:36.280] then you would obviously take that opinion on board.
[07:36.280 -> 07:37.240] But if the driver's saying,
[07:37.240 -> 07:40.740] oh I definitely can't do a stint of 20 laps on that tyre
[07:40.740 -> 07:42.400] and you know from your data that they can
[07:42.400 -> 07:44.360] and that's what they need to try and do
[07:44.360 -> 07:47.760] in order for you to win the race, it might not be the easiest thing but that's what we need to do
[07:48.320 -> 07:52.960] and then you would communicate that to them. So yeah, we have a lot of conversations before the
[07:52.960 -> 07:59.040] race. We all know what the situation is going into the race and when we might adapt that so
[07:59.040 -> 08:05.760] the drivers know what comments to feed back to us that would help us kind of adapt the strategy if we need to.
[08:05.760 -> 08:10.560] I mean, it's been an unbelievable start for Red Bull for this season. It's been incredible. So
[08:10.560 -> 08:16.160] being on the pit will be in trackside for all of those wins. How has that been?
[08:16.160 -> 08:19.520] Yeah, I mean, it's been amazing. It's, as you say, it's a great year.
[08:19.520 -> 08:24.800] And obviously, there's a big buzz in the team. But I think also everyone's still very driven.
[08:24.800 -> 08:25.000] There's still a lot of pressure. I think people would think, oh, it's just easy buzz in the team. But I think also everyone's still very driven.
[08:25.000 -> 08:25.920] There's still a lot of pressure.
[08:25.920 -> 08:28.400] I think people would think, oh, it's just easy,
[08:28.400 -> 08:29.240] but not at all.
[08:29.240 -> 08:31.400] I think we always feel like we want
[08:31.400 -> 08:33.080] to make the right decisions.
[08:33.080 -> 08:36.080] When you are faster, obviously, you can make a mistake
[08:36.080 -> 08:38.000] and probably it would be okay.
[08:38.000 -> 08:40.800] But our kind of, I don't know,
[08:40.800 -> 08:43.320] our MO as a team maybe is not to do that.
[08:43.320 -> 08:45.600] We don't want to kind of sit back and relax
[08:45.600 -> 08:48.880] and become comfortable. We want to still always be making the right decisions,
[08:48.880 -> 08:54.640] still having those heated discussions. So actually, nothing has changed in that respect.
[08:54.640 -> 09:00.320] But I mean, it's still a celebration with every win. So is the celebration different track side
[09:00.320 -> 09:04.160] compared to the celebration when you're here at the factory during a race? Apart from the amount
[09:04.160 -> 09:06.240] of champagne you get in your hair.
[09:06.240 -> 09:08.760] Well, I think on both sides, you get some bubbles.
[09:08.760 -> 09:09.760] Yeah, nice.
[09:09.760 -> 09:10.760] So that's fine.
[09:10.760 -> 09:11.760] Not really.
[09:11.760 -> 09:15.480] I mean, we obviously, all the engineers, we have the bubbles.
[09:15.480 -> 09:19.560] We get to do the team photo with the drivers after the race, but then actually we fly home
[09:19.560 -> 09:20.560] that same night.
[09:20.560 -> 09:24.600] So it's not like a massive party party all the time.
[09:24.600 -> 09:26.560] And then here, everyone then here everyone gets to have
[09:26.560 -> 09:32.640] some bubbles and then quite a few of the guys that work there will all go out and have a pizza
[09:32.640 -> 09:37.760] together or something like that. So I think you do get that kind of team spirit and the celebration
[09:37.760 -> 09:43.200] wherever you are. So when you are on the pit wall, how important are the team back here at the
[09:43.200 -> 09:48.400] factory during a race? It's quite a critical thing having both sides going on.
[09:48.400 -> 09:52.000] A hundred percent. Like you couldn't do it without them. They are giving you all the
[09:52.000 -> 09:56.240] information you need to make those decisions. So, and things always change in the race and
[09:56.240 -> 10:01.520] are different to how you expect. So yeah, we couldn't do it without any one of them.
[10:01.520 -> 10:04.880] And you definitely notice maybe when there's a bit less support than usual,
[10:04.880 -> 10:10.160] like, so a hundred percent% we need all those people. Well, I do have to say it's a really lovely atmosphere
[10:10.160 -> 10:13.600] here at the factory. It's really nice. I mean, you're based here, aren't you, Anna? You're based
[10:13.600 -> 10:17.920] here at the factory. Yeah, yeah, I'm based here. So how long have you been working for Red Bull?
[10:17.920 -> 10:22.960] So it's coming up to four years for me. So as well, like Hannah, I joined straight out of uni.
[10:23.520 -> 10:26.600] And yeah, coming up to four years later this summer.
[10:26.600 -> 10:30.400] Can I just say, joining straight in with Red Bull F1,
[10:30.400 -> 10:33.680] straight out of uni, that's bonkers.
[10:33.680 -> 10:35.200] That's bonkers, right?
[10:35.200 -> 10:37.520] I mean, a lot of people, like, that's a big target,
[10:37.520 -> 10:40.680] to be able to get straight here, straight from uni, that's huge.
[10:40.680 -> 10:44.280] Well, I'm definitely lucky to have ended up here.
[10:44.280 -> 10:47.120] Also, I mean, worked hard to get
[10:47.120 -> 10:51.560] here but yeah, definitely a good place to be straight out of uni, that's for sure.
[10:51.560 -> 10:55.880] So did you have F1 as your target while you were studying at uni? Is this kind of the
[10:55.880 -> 10:57.440] dream where you wanted to be?
[10:57.440 -> 11:02.360] So for me, it was always cars or planes. That's what I was interested in. Definitely like
[11:02.360 -> 11:09.840] rubbed off from my dad. I was just fascinated by the engineering side of both of them. And so throughout uni, I did some placements in aerospace,
[11:09.840 -> 11:17.040] did some in motorsport, and then the pace of motorsport was a little bit faster than aerospace,
[11:17.040 -> 11:21.840] and I found that quite exciting as well. So yeah, tried my luck when it came to graduating
[11:21.840 -> 11:26.880] with applying for jobs and ended up here here and the four years has flown by.
[11:26.880 -> 11:30.600] I mean, so now you're kind of working not just with the factory team, but you're also
[11:30.600 -> 11:33.440] working with the track team, is that right?
[11:33.440 -> 11:38.400] So yeah, so this year I'm spending a bit of time in the ops room as well, supporting the
[11:38.400 -> 11:47.560] aero performance group who are analysing the aero data trackside, as well as then doing my usual job in development
[11:47.560 -> 11:50.440] and developing aero parts for the car.
[11:50.440 -> 11:55.280] So you were saying that you're now working on the floor upgrade for what's coming up
[11:55.280 -> 11:59.380] next. So how much can you tell us about, like how much work has to go into an upgrade and
[11:59.380 -> 12:08.440] how much of a change is an upgrade from what's on the current car? Well, it's in season, a lot of it tends to be quite evolutionary
[12:08.640 -> 12:12.680] in that we all have the floor that we've been running so far this year.
[12:12.680 -> 12:15.320] And we're constantly applying small tweaks and changes
[12:15.320 -> 12:17.800] to try and get more performance out of that.
[12:18.520 -> 12:22.960] But it's kind of a constant cycle of every day we're submitting simulations,
[12:22.960 -> 12:26.760] CFD simulations, analysing those results, putting together wind tunnel programs
[12:26.760 -> 12:29.800] to then build a whole upgrade package.
[12:29.800 -> 12:32.440] And ultimately, that's what then arrives at track.
[12:32.440 -> 12:35.200] But it's a constant cycle of trying to eek
[12:35.200 -> 12:37.400] little bits of performance out.
[12:37.400 -> 12:38.400] Well, this is what I was wondering.
[12:38.400 -> 12:41.760] If you tend to work race to race,
[12:41.760 -> 12:44.760] or if you're planning further ahead,
[12:44.760 -> 12:46.240] like if you're working year on year, or if you're working race to race, if you're planning further ahead? Like if you're working year on year,
[12:46.240 -> 12:50.080] if you're working race to race, which one is it? Or are you doing all of the things?
[12:50.640 -> 12:57.280] Well, within the kind of development teams in aerodynamics, it's not so much race to race
[12:57.280 -> 13:03.920] because we'll finalise our floor upgrade and then that needs to go to have the physical parts and
[13:03.920 -> 13:05.000] tooling designed. It needs to go through have the physical parts and tooling designed.
[13:05.000 -> 13:09.720] It needs to go through manufacture, so there's a bit of a lag between finalizing those designs
[13:09.720 -> 13:15.000] and it actually hitting the track. So, the development timelines are somewhat out of
[13:15.000 -> 13:20.840] sync with the races, but then in the aero performance side of things, it's very much
[13:20.840 -> 13:30.680] race to race and that they are your markers. That's where you're making sure that
[13:30.680 -> 13:34.960] your software is primed and ready to get the information you need. You're checking that
[13:34.960 -> 13:40.400] those upgrades are then performing how you're expected. So the two elements are somewhat
[13:40.400 -> 13:47.280] different but obviously all fit together in the end. So I mean, I have to ask about the wind tunnel. So for like,
[13:48.640 -> 13:55.600] normal people that don't work within Formula One will hear, oh, wind tunnel, and you just kind of
[13:55.600 -> 14:01.520] try to make a picture in your head of what an actual wind tunnel is. So I imagine there's just
[14:01.520 -> 14:07.200] a car that's sat in a room and you throw a load of wind at it and then see where the air goes. Am I right?
[14:08.000 -> 14:15.440] Um, loosely. We can go with that. No, we have a scaled down model of the car, so that's,
[14:15.440 -> 14:20.320] it's restricted by the FIA in terms of the size that the model can be and the speed of the wind
[14:20.320 -> 14:27.240] that comes over it. So we've got a scaled down model of the car and it sits on a treadmill, and so that simulates
[14:27.240 -> 14:28.680] the road.
[14:28.680 -> 14:35.000] And then we have a big fan that sends the air over and it's a closed loop, so it circulates
[14:35.000 -> 14:38.720] around and puts the air over the model car.
[14:38.720 -> 14:44.000] So on track, the road and the air are stationary and we move the car through it.
[14:44.000 -> 14:48.680] Whereas in the wind tunnel, the car is stationary and we're moving the road and the air are stationary and we move the car through it. Whereas in the wind tunnel, the car is stationary and we're moving the road and the air relative
[14:48.680 -> 14:52.320] to the car to try and simulate what's going on.
[14:52.320 -> 14:56.760] And then we've got all sorts of load cells and pressure taps and things on the model
[14:56.760 -> 15:01.000] car so that we can change geometries and then see the data that's coming off of that and
[15:01.000 -> 15:03.560] if it's behaving as we expect or not.
[15:03.560 -> 15:04.560] That's amazing.
[15:04.560 -> 15:07.600] That's good. That's complete. I didn't imagine it to be like that.
[15:07.600 -> 15:11.800] But do you also add in weather and things like that?
[15:11.800 -> 15:13.000] Like if it's raining,
[15:13.000 -> 15:14.720] how will the car handle the wind?
[15:14.720 -> 15:16.040] Is that also done in the wind tunnel?
[15:16.040 -> 15:17.320] Not too much in the wind tunnel.
[15:17.320 -> 15:22.880] So we can do things like we can simulate different wind angles.
[15:22.880 -> 15:24.600] So we can yaw the model so that
[15:24.600 -> 15:25.320] the wind isn't always coming straight onto the car. We can simulate it wind angles, so we can yaw the model so that the wind
[15:25.320 -> 15:27.040] isn't always coming straight onto the car.
[15:27.040 -> 15:29.200] We can simulate it at different angles
[15:29.200 -> 15:31.760] to kind of get an idea if it's a windy day
[15:31.760 -> 15:33.440] or as you're going around the corner,
[15:33.440 -> 15:36.080] how the car might respond to the different
[15:37.560 -> 15:39.120] onset angles of the air.
[15:39.120 -> 15:41.920] But yeah, water, rain is not something
[15:41.920 -> 15:44.000] that we can incorporate with it.
[15:44.000 -> 15:47.040] So how important is wind tunnel time?
[15:47.680 -> 15:53.760] We definitely feel the pinch having our budget reduced. We're limited on how much time we can
[15:53.760 -> 15:59.520] spend in the tunnel, how many different runs that we can do. So it's very important that we
[16:00.080 -> 16:00.720] plan ahead.
[16:01.360 -> 16:06.840] That is so interesting. As someone who I wouldn't even know where to begin when it
[16:06.840 -> 16:11.240] comes to designing a car, designing the under floor and all that sort of stuff. It's so
[16:11.240 -> 16:15.720] fascinating to hear how much work gets put into it. So I guess when it comes to the floor
[16:15.720 -> 16:19.520] upgrades that are coming, they've already been in the wind tunnel, you already know
[16:19.520 -> 16:21.880] what you can achieve from that?
[16:21.880 -> 16:28.960] It's a constant cycle, yeah. So, I mean, the floor upgrades that we've sent already this year, they will be several
[16:28.960 -> 16:32.880] weeks if not months of work that's kind of accumulating and you're adding bits and pieces
[16:32.880 -> 16:33.880] to the package.
[16:33.880 -> 16:39.560] And between the whole team of people, everyone's kind of contributing their ideas and trying
[16:39.560 -> 16:41.560] to make things that work together.
[16:41.560 -> 16:45.520] So it's very much a group effort to get them there, yeah.
[16:45.520 -> 16:50.720] So if it is weeks and months at a time, I guess right now you could be working on something
[16:50.720 -> 16:52.560] that could be more towards the end of the season?
[16:53.600 -> 16:58.480] Yes, yeah, exactly. So where we are at the moment is looking at upgrades for the second
[16:58.480 -> 17:01.040] half of the season and what we can bring later this year.
[17:01.040 -> 17:05.800] So Roseanne, you work for a part of Red Bull that not a lot of people would know about.
[17:05.800 -> 17:10.080] It's the Red Bull Advanced Technologies, which is more commonly known as RBATS. Can you tell
[17:10.080 -> 17:11.680] us a bit about your role with them?
[17:11.680 -> 17:15.280] Yeah, it's quite hidden from the public what we do.
[17:15.280 -> 17:17.880] Are you allowed to tell us about it?
[17:17.880 -> 17:29.800] Yeah, of course. But visually, we don't show people because it's technology we want to keep private. So yeah, I started at Red Bull in 2016.
[17:29.800 -> 17:31.880] For five and a half years, like I said,
[17:31.880 -> 17:33.960] I worked for the F1 simulator,
[17:33.960 -> 17:37.440] building the visual representation of the circuits.
[17:37.440 -> 17:41.600] So that Max and Checo and Albon and everybody else who's been
[17:41.600 -> 17:44.720] the drivers since I started as I've been able to
[17:44.720 -> 17:48.320] see the graphics that I've done and use that for the performance testing.
[17:48.320 -> 17:51.680] So, yes, I did that for five and a half years.
[17:51.680 -> 17:53.240] Then the last two years,
[17:53.240 -> 17:57.960] I've worked for Red Bull Advanced Technologies and my job role has changed a bit.
[17:57.960 -> 18:03.760] So I am a simulation terrain modeler and I still do that for a Lingi Red Bull racing.
[18:03.760 -> 18:10.080] So essentially, you've taken everything that you've learned from F1 and put it into the
[18:10.080 -> 18:11.280] sailing team.
[18:11.280 -> 18:12.160] Yes, basically.
[18:12.160 -> 18:12.400] Right? Yeah.
[18:13.120 -> 18:18.640] Because I've seen some of the videos of the sailing team and it's faster than I was expecting.
[18:18.640 -> 18:22.400] Like it's completely blown my mind how quick that they go and all the sort of science and
[18:22.400 -> 18:24.960] that that goes behind the sailing team, not just the Formula One team.
[18:24.960 -> 18:29.800] It blew my mind when I first started working on it. It's a lot more complicated than working
[18:29.800 -> 18:35.560] on a static road surface, for instance.
[18:35.560 -> 18:39.720] So before you joined Red Bull, did you study engineering or were you kind of more of an
[18:39.720 -> 18:44.000] artistic kind of person? How did you end up where you are?
[18:44.000 -> 18:48.760] So I did a degree in creative visualization and I actually thought I was going to work
[18:48.760 -> 18:55.600] in the movie industry. And then just by chance I ended up working for, it was a different
[18:55.600 -> 19:09.360] motorsport company, about 14 years ago. And they were working on a new Formula One car, but they also did LMP1, LMP2, Formula E, IndyCar,
[19:09.360 -> 19:15.320] just they did everything. And then, so I worked on the simulator there, and then I brought
[19:15.320 -> 19:17.080] that knowledge over to Red Bull.
[19:17.080 -> 19:21.400] I have to ask you about the simulator stuff that you've done over the last sort of five
[19:21.400 -> 19:27.600] years, because I wouldn't even know where to begin with designing. Do
[19:27.600 -> 19:34.080] you treat it like approaching designing a computer game and then you kind of go in that
[19:34.080 -> 19:37.560] direction to then make it realistic for the drivers while they're training?
[19:37.560 -> 19:43.040] Yeah, this is how I always explain it to other people. It's just like making a computer game.
[19:43.040 -> 19:44.720] Oh, really? Okay.
[19:44.720 -> 19:46.360] But I don't design anything
[19:46.360 -> 19:51.000] that already exists and I'm just trying to make it look as believable as possible. Because
[19:51.000 -> 19:56.440] the graphics is also quite important for a simulator to help with motion sickness. In
[19:56.440 -> 20:01.520] order for it to be believable, you have to make the graphics look as believable as possible.
[20:01.520 -> 20:11.360] And that's what helps prevent emotion sickness. Okay, so when it came to sort of a track that didn't exist yet, let's say for example, you're
[20:11.360 -> 20:17.100] still working in simulations, and we're now approaching Vegas, which is a track that's
[20:17.100 -> 20:22.960] never been driven before. It exists, but it's never been driven as a track before. So how
[20:22.960 -> 20:25.320] would you go about creating that
[20:25.320 -> 20:27.040] and making that as realistic as possible
[20:27.040 -> 20:30.120] when technically it doesn't exist?
[20:30.120 -> 20:33.080] Yeah, so it's quite hard.
[20:33.080 -> 20:34.240] Yeah.
[20:34.240 -> 20:39.120] So we normally get like the GPS lines
[20:39.120 -> 20:40.720] or something like that from the FIA.
[20:40.720 -> 20:43.200] So we know the track edges, where they would be
[20:43.200 -> 20:45.760] and the elevations. So that's a good
[20:45.760 -> 20:52.080] starting point. And then we would actually use Google Earth or something, just to see what it
[20:52.080 -> 20:57.920] should look like. But then we have our own library of materials and textures and we make our own
[20:59.120 -> 21:06.880] to make things look as real as possible, but to something that looks believable to what Las Vegas would look like.
[21:08.960 -> 21:12.320] Because you can't obviously copy stuff from Google Earth and you wouldn't want to because
[21:12.320 -> 21:20.480] the quality wouldn't be as good. So normally on a race weekend, we get a lot of point cloud data,
[21:20.480 -> 21:26.780] and that's like point representation of where things actually exist in the real
[21:26.780 -> 21:32.860] world. It's like X, Y, Z point data. And that helps us to know where to put a curve
[21:32.860 -> 21:43.020] and where the runoffs would be, how high the runoffs would be. And then we use that to
[21:43.020 -> 21:45.000] model basically. Yeah.
[21:45.000 -> 21:46.000] Okay.
[21:46.000 -> 21:49.600] So, but actually, I mean, the same question kind of goes for you, Hannah.
[21:49.600 -> 21:55.160] When it comes to Vegas, a track that doesn't exist, how do you start prepping for your
[21:55.160 -> 21:56.760] strategy for that?
[21:56.760 -> 21:57.760] Yeah.
[21:57.760 -> 22:02.760] So, we get some measurements from the track, kind of like Roseanne said, we'll get GPS
[22:02.760 -> 22:06.920] lines, we'll get a track layout drawing, so we'll know that.
[22:06.920 -> 22:10.360] And then we'll also get some data from the simulator.
[22:10.360 -> 22:11.600] So after all the great work,
[22:11.600 -> 22:13.320] making it as realistic as possible.
[22:13.320 -> 22:14.160] No pressure.
[22:14.160 -> 22:18.080] The drivers will have a go in the simulator first
[22:18.080 -> 22:19.640] and we can use some of that data
[22:19.640 -> 22:21.160] to help us with things as well.
[22:21.160 -> 22:23.200] So we'll get like a speed profile.
[22:23.200 -> 22:29.880] We'll use that to help us estimate as well how long it takes to make a pit stop, things like that. And then we'll
[22:29.880 -> 22:33.760] also get data, actual measurements from the track before we get there. So like the roughness
[22:33.760 -> 22:34.760] of the track surface.
[22:34.760 -> 22:37.760] That's the thing, we don't know how it's going to affect the tires.
[22:37.760 -> 22:43.220] Exactly. The tires are one of the major things. So for us, it's like tires and overtaking.
[22:43.220 -> 22:45.320] Then we can put all those things into our simulations,
[22:45.320 -> 22:47.640] but we'll run more simulations than usual
[22:47.640 -> 22:49.160] because we know less information.
[22:49.160 -> 22:54.160] So we'll sweep, do a larger sweep than we usually would.
[22:55.220 -> 22:57.400] But still, I mean, when you go to the race,
[22:57.400 -> 23:00.960] you've got to decide which tires are using MP1 and MP2.
[23:00.960 -> 23:03.000] So it's not like we can just wait and see.
[23:03.000 -> 23:04.640] We've already had to make decisions
[23:04.640 -> 23:07.200] which will impact what we can do in the race.
[23:07.200 -> 23:08.880] Do you three know each other?
[23:08.880 -> 23:10.000] Yes.
[23:10.000 -> 23:10.800] You do?
[23:10.800 -> 23:14.880] So do you ever get to kind of bump into each other and kind of work together and develop things together?
[23:14.880 -> 23:17.200] Or is it just a case of bumping into each other while you're here at the factory?
[23:17.200 -> 23:21.200] I've worked with Hannah before because I used to help with volunteer for the ops room
[23:22.320 -> 23:24.640] when I used to work for the Air France.
[23:24.640 -> 23:30.320] Exactly. So as I was saying, all that vital support we need. So students obviously help us
[23:30.320 -> 23:35.680] out a lot of weekends and then staff are welcome to volunteer and help us out like listening to
[23:35.680 -> 23:41.120] driver radios and so forth. And so yeah, some great stuff sometimes like to, because obviously
[23:41.120 -> 23:48.480] it's really interesting to kind of feel part of the race and it's actually quite a nice environment. It really makes you feel like you're part of the team when you do
[23:48.480 -> 23:52.240] the option because you really get to feel what actually goes on behind the scenes.
[23:53.200 -> 23:58.320] Because it's quite, because this place is so vast, this factory is just, I mean it's massive here,
[23:58.320 -> 24:03.280] that you would assume it might be quite rare for someone, for three of you in three completely
[24:03.280 -> 24:05.000] different departments,
[24:05.000 -> 24:08.120] knowing each other well enough and sort of working together
[24:08.120 -> 24:09.180] is actually quite nice to see.
[24:09.180 -> 24:10.020] I wasn't expecting it.
[24:10.020 -> 24:12.880] Yeah, and I think also because there aren't,
[24:12.880 -> 24:15.360] you don't always see as many women around the factory,
[24:15.360 -> 24:18.920] sometimes we will do things like go for a walk at lunch
[24:18.920 -> 24:19.760] or things like that.
[24:19.760 -> 24:21.440] I mean, we haven't actually done that for a while.
[24:21.440 -> 24:23.680] So, but, we do try to.
[24:23.680 -> 24:24.520] The intention's there.
[24:24.520 -> 24:26.080] Yeah, exactly, The intention's there.
[24:26.080 -> 24:28.840] So there is a little bit of a network if you want.
[24:28.840 -> 24:30.680] I was going to say, actually,
[24:30.680 -> 24:32.160] myself walking around the factory,
[24:32.160 -> 24:34.480] I have spotted quite a few women walking around.
[24:34.480 -> 24:36.720] Is this something that you've noticed an improvement in?
[24:36.720 -> 24:38.920] Definitely. When I started,
[24:38.920 -> 24:41.960] I think there were seven of us at all in the D.O.
[24:41.960 -> 24:43.720] Now, I feel like there's a lot more.
[24:43.720 -> 24:44.640] I love that.
[24:44.640 -> 24:49.240] Yeah. I've worked in automotive and all of that for a few years, so I know what
[24:49.240 -> 24:54.680] it feels like to be a woman in what is predominantly a men's industry. But actually, it's quite
[24:54.680 -> 25:01.020] nice to see so many ladies doing so well. And it's so inspirational for young girls,
[25:01.020 -> 25:06.080] seeing you three sat in these seats, doing what you've done, learning what you've
[25:06.080 -> 25:09.360] learned, and being sat where you're sat, which a few years ago probably wouldn't have
[25:09.360 -> 25:11.760] happened. So it's quite nice.
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[25:38.760 -> 25:40.860] Now, on with the podcast.
[25:40.860 -> 25:42.380] So here on Talking Ball,
[25:42.380 -> 25:44.700] we have a game that we like to call 100 Objects.
[25:44.700 -> 25:45.360] I'm fully aware that having 100 is quite a high target, but you know have a game that we like to call 100 Objects. I'm fully aware
[25:45.360 -> 25:49.680] that having 100 is quite a high target, but you know, every guest that we're going to
[25:49.680 -> 25:53.680] get on the podcast is going to bring in an item that is significant to their time here
[25:53.680 -> 25:57.160] at Red Bull, something that means a lot to them. So when we had Christian Horner on,
[25:57.160 -> 26:01.680] he brought in the Constructor's Trophy, and then we had Adrian Newey, he brought in his
[26:01.680 -> 26:08.100] legendary notebook and pen, that was pretty epic. So I can see the three of you have brought some things in.
[26:08.100 -> 26:09.200] So we'll start with you, Rosanne.
[26:09.200 -> 26:10.200] What have you brought in for me?
[26:10.200 -> 26:11.360] I've brought in my laptop.
[26:11.360 -> 26:15.400] Okay, tell us about the laptop.
[26:15.400 -> 26:17.480] So it's actually a cool story.
[26:17.480 -> 26:20.480] I think because of COVID actually,
[26:20.480 -> 26:23.320] I didn't have a laptop until COVID happened.
[26:23.320 -> 26:25.040] So I used a desktop all the time.
[26:25.040 -> 26:30.700] It was really hard to learn new things and apply them to work on the go, like quickly.
[26:30.700 -> 26:34.140] And I found that having a laptop just massively helped me develop my skills.
[26:34.140 -> 26:38.680] So I was literally sat with my laptop the other day thinking, what can I bring into
[26:38.680 -> 26:39.680] this?
[26:39.680 -> 26:42.680] And then I thought it's got to be a laptop because I'm on it all the time.
[26:42.680 -> 26:48.280] So there's a lot in that laptop. It must be kept secret I guess or there's just a lot
[26:48.280 -> 26:53.280] of details of things that you're doing with our bats and putting that towards the sailing
[26:53.280 -> 26:55.400] team that is all inside that laptop.
[26:55.400 -> 26:56.400] Everything yep.
[26:56.400 -> 27:00.120] It's a very precious item that is going into our Hall of Fame. Lovely stuff. Anna what
[27:00.120 -> 27:02.000] have you brought with you?
[27:02.000 -> 27:06.160] I've brought a wind tunnel barge board. Sure, that is definitely a
[27:06.160 -> 27:12.400] wind tunnel barge board because I see them all the time. Talk us through the item. Certainly
[27:12.400 -> 27:16.640] much smaller than the real car barge board because that couldn't fit on my lap. So yeah,
[27:16.640 -> 27:21.200] as I was saying, the wind tunnel model is all scaled down. So this is from the RB15,
[27:21.200 -> 27:30.040] which was the first car that I worked on when I joined. Obviously, with the regulation change, the current cars don't have this kind of intricacy,
[27:30.040 -> 27:34.480] but it's quite interesting to look back and see.
[27:34.480 -> 27:39.400] The part on the actual car is one big part, but this is all modular, so all of these individual
[27:39.400 -> 27:41.560] winglets and things can all be changed.
[27:41.560 -> 27:49.160] When we're developing, we might just be changing a few of these little things, some of these panels, and then you kind of gradually, as I was saying earlier,
[27:49.160 -> 27:54.160] where we kind of piece things together to get a full upgrade package. This is, you know,
[27:54.160 -> 27:59.520] several iterations in CFD and several different wind tunnel tests come together to the upgrade
[27:59.520 -> 28:01.440] that we then sent to TRAC.
[28:01.440 -> 28:11.760] So the little nodules and stuff that are on there, like if you were to move one a centimetre, would that make a huge difference? Yeah, certainly when you combine them all
[28:11.760 -> 28:16.340] you could do things like changing the heights of these, changing the profile. If you take
[28:16.340 -> 28:21.400] a slice through these winglets, they're all an aerofoil profile like you would have on
[28:21.400 -> 28:26.840] the wing of an airliner, but obviously much smaller. And so, you know, all of those profiles can be changed,
[28:26.920 -> 28:28.620] as well as the relationships,
[28:28.680 -> 28:31.480] the way we kind of cascaded a few of them together.
[28:31.540 -> 28:34.320] You know, the relationships between each of those elements
[28:34.380 -> 28:35.580] can change as well.
[28:35.660 -> 28:36.660] Amazing.
[28:36.720 -> 28:38.920] That is another item that's going into our Hall of Fame.
[28:38.980 -> 28:40.900] Fantastic. And Hannah, what have you brought with you?
[28:40.960 -> 28:42.560] Cool. I'm not sure I can really follow this
[28:42.620 -> 28:45.520] because it's extremely exciting and interesting.
[28:45.520 -> 28:53.200] But I've just brought a pair of headphones because for me, growing up watching the Formula One races,
[28:53.200 -> 28:58.320] I remember saying to my grandma, when I'm older, I want to be the person, one of the people wearing
[28:58.320 -> 29:03.120] the headphones. Obviously, at that time, I didn't really have a good grasp of all the different jobs
[29:03.120 -> 29:05.340] you could do and be a person wearing the headphones.
[29:05.340 -> 29:08.780] But for me, in my childlike simplicity,
[29:08.780 -> 29:10.400] it was, I really want to be one of
[29:10.400 -> 29:12.360] those people working at the race.
[29:12.360 -> 29:15.120] So for me, when I got to sit there and wear the headphones,
[29:15.120 -> 29:17.500] that was the realization of my dreams.
[29:17.500 -> 29:19.620] Have you had the same pair of headphones
[29:19.620 -> 29:21.320] this whole time and refused to change them?
[29:21.320 -> 29:24.160] No. Well, I don't know,
[29:24.160 -> 29:26.960] maybe because we just get given them at the track and it
[29:26.960 -> 29:31.360] has your name on, so potentially, but I think someone hopefully does clean them and take
[29:31.360 -> 29:32.360] them away at times.
[29:32.360 -> 29:37.360] That would be handy if they did clean them, yeah.
[29:37.360 -> 29:41.520] Okay, it's time for Ask Red Bull. So we've got members of the Oracle Red Bull Racing
[29:41.520 -> 29:48.000] Paddock to submit some questions to you. Now, our first two are actually via video, which is very nice. So let's go to question number one.
[29:48.000 -> 29:54.400] Hi, I'm Chloe from London. Hi, Hannah, Anna and Roseanne, a big fan. I've got a quick question,
[29:54.400 -> 30:01.360] if that's okay. So how much more do you think can be done to get equal representation in F1?
[30:01.360 -> 30:07.360] And do you think there will ever be a female driver on the grid? Do you think we'll ever see a female driver on the grid?
[30:07.360 -> 30:08.960] Yes.
[30:08.960 -> 30:11.960] Certainly hope so with all the initiatives that are going on now,
[30:11.960 -> 30:14.400] it's really encouraging how much support it's all getting.
[30:14.400 -> 30:19.000] Yeah. Do you have a lot of friends within your sort of friend circle that are F1 fans,
[30:19.000 -> 30:21.760] that are girls, that you're like, oh, wouldn't it be cool if you kind of,
[30:21.760 -> 30:29.280] if your daughter or whatever would like to grow up and work in F1? And I guess with the three of you working in it and being inspirational
[30:29.280 -> 30:32.960] to young girls, it's just going to get bigger and better, right?
[30:32.960 -> 30:36.560] EMMA WALSH Yeah, really hope so. I have two young girls
[30:36.560 -> 30:39.360] myself, so I'm always like, oh, what do you think about karting?
[30:39.360 -> 30:43.760] JEMMA WALSH Yes, do it, do it! I mean, it's expensive,
[30:43.760 -> 30:44.320] but do it!
[30:44.320 -> 30:51.000] EMMA WALSH Yeah, and I'm trying hard to not, because obviously I've, well, I've been pushing like the cars and the trains and the building blocks.
[30:51.000 -> 30:56.000] And then I realized the other day when my daughter came home and said, oh, all the girls at school know more about princesses.
[30:56.000 -> 31:01.000] I was like, oh, yes, sorry. We should cover that as well. So we do need to be very, very loud.
[31:01.000 -> 31:02.000] Princesses can drive their own cars.
[31:02.000 -> 31:06.800] They can, exactly. So we do need to let them do whatever they want to do.
[31:06.800 -> 31:08.360] But yeah, I think that's the important thing.
[31:08.360 -> 31:09.760] I think it's not that we're saying,
[31:09.760 -> 31:11.480] oh, women must work in motorsport.
[31:11.480 -> 31:14.120] We're just saying that people should feel free
[31:14.120 -> 31:17.880] to work where they want and not feel like it's a barrier
[31:17.880 -> 31:20.200] because it is currently a male-dominated sport.
[31:20.200 -> 31:24.280] So hopefully us talking to you shows that, you know,
[31:24.280 -> 31:25.280] anyone can do this.
[31:25.280 -> 31:27.120] Everyone can feel included.
[31:27.120 -> 31:30.320] And yeah, you should just really look for a job that you're going to enjoy.
[31:30.320 -> 31:33.840] And like motorsport and Formula One have so many things to offer people.
[31:34.720 -> 31:39.840] So I know at Red Bull, we're doing quite a lot of things to try and encourage more diversity.
[31:39.840 -> 31:42.880] We've got International Women in Engineering Day coming up,
[31:42.880 -> 31:47.760] where some people are going to come to the factory and we'll get to come and chat to us all in person, and we can really
[31:47.760 -> 31:51.200] share those experiences and answer people's questions.
[31:51.200 -> 31:57.000] So yeah, we're trying to do what we can, but I think, yeah, just talking about what we
[31:57.000 -> 32:00.840] do and showing people that there's a place for them hopefully will help.
[32:00.840 -> 32:06.400] I think it's just more about getting people to realize that there is a job out there that they can do in engineering.
[32:06.400 -> 32:10.000] Because I didn't realise that this job existed when I was studying.
[32:10.000 -> 32:14.800] It's only because I was looking around. I didn't even realise what I was applying for, to be honest.
[32:14.800 -> 32:18.800] It sounded like a computer game job, so I thought, I'll apply for that.
[32:18.800 -> 32:22.800] And then it turned out to be they were starting a new F1 team.
[32:22.800 -> 32:25.120] And I thought, that sounds really actually really
[32:25.120 -> 32:29.520] good and I never even knew it existed as a job so I think it's just important to get
[32:29.520 -> 32:32.800] that information out there and make people realise that these jobs exist.
[32:32.800 -> 32:38.640] Yeah, there are options for people whichever, if they're interested in STEM or even the
[32:38.640 -> 32:42.120] non-STEM side there are so many options for people if they're interested.
[32:42.120 -> 32:50.320] Yeah, because I'm from a graphical background and I've ended up in F1 as well, so you don't just have to do engineering to get into F1. Yeah.
[32:51.600 -> 32:57.200] Question number two. Hi, my name is Ivana Zoranc and I'm based out of Florida in the United States.
[32:57.200 -> 33:02.000] My question is, you ladies are a huge inspiration to me as a young female college student going into
[33:02.000 -> 33:08.560] STEM field. What words of advice do you ladies have for women and girls like me trying to navigate through areas that were once male
[33:08.560 -> 33:10.640] dominated? Keep up the amazing work.
[33:10.640 -> 33:12.560] I know, it's very sweet.
[33:12.560 -> 33:13.060] Advice?
[33:15.120 -> 33:20.320] Mine would be to make sure everything you're doing is always something you enjoy
[33:21.440 -> 33:26.720] and not to worry too much about other people's opinions and to trust in yourself.
[33:26.720 -> 33:32.320] So maybe sometimes you'll come across obstacles, maybe people will think something of you,
[33:32.320 -> 33:36.560] but you know who you are and you know what you can do. So trust in that.
[33:37.200 -> 33:40.240] I think that's exactly what I would have said. Anna's just nailed it there.
[33:42.320 -> 33:47.360] I suppose for me, like, along a similar kind of thread, but just having confidence
[33:47.360 -> 33:52.080] that you have earned your place for where you are, because, you know, whether it's getting a place at
[33:52.880 -> 33:57.600] top university, whether it's getting the job, like, people will have assessed your technical
[33:57.600 -> 34:10.400] abilities and that's, you know, they've assessed you are strong and that's why you're there. So, kind of having confidence in yourself and delivering your, whether it's your technical judgment, whether
[34:10.400 -> 34:14.880] it's your ideas, like, you know, yeah, trusting that you're there for a reason.
[34:16.080 -> 34:20.000] So, this question is from Sahithian in the UK. This is for Hannah.
[34:20.720 -> 34:24.000] So, what has been your most satisfactory strategy call?
[34:24.000 -> 34:27.000] Ooh, yeah, I like that one, satisfactory.
[34:27.000 -> 34:30.000] Because I've got a feeling I know what the answer to this is.
[34:30.000 -> 34:34.000] So I think previously I probably would have said Brazil 2019,
[34:34.000 -> 34:37.000] which is maybe what you're expecting, but I think no.
[34:37.000 -> 34:38.000] One from last year, I think.
[34:38.000 -> 34:40.000] And now is Hungary in last year.
[34:40.000 -> 34:44.000] So I think for us starting out of position,
[34:44.000 -> 34:46.360] it was a race which was quite a strategic
[34:46.360 -> 34:49.280] race so there was more than one stop.
[34:49.280 -> 34:54.680] So we got to make quite a few calls along the way and then for Max to win after starting
[34:54.680 -> 35:00.240] P10 when we weren't necessarily loads faster than other people but it was a combination
[35:00.240 -> 35:05.000] of quite a few things and strategy was involved in that.
[35:05.120 -> 35:08.320] For me, that's when, yeah, it's an amazing buzz
[35:08.320 -> 35:11.380] when you feel like you've really helped
[35:11.380 -> 35:13.860] to achieve that goal and it's something you didn't expect
[35:13.860 -> 35:14.700] going into the race.
[35:14.700 -> 35:16.160] I thought, I remember someone saying,
[35:16.160 -> 35:17.080] where do you think we're finished?
[35:17.080 -> 35:19.680] I was like, well, hopefully we'll get on the podium,
[35:19.680 -> 35:20.920] maybe P3.
[35:20.920 -> 35:24.260] That was kind of my best case expectation.
[35:24.260 -> 35:26.160] So the fact that we surpassed that was really
[35:26.160 -> 35:27.160] great.
[35:27.160 -> 35:28.880] And how did you celebrate that evening?
[35:28.880 -> 35:35.520] I think we probably just got on a plane, sadly. And I'm sure we had some bubbles on the plane.
[35:35.520 -> 35:43.080] So this is from Adderaman in Morocco. This is a question for Anna. Do you think you can
[35:43.080 -> 35:45.840] get the RB19 even more aerodynamic
[35:45.840 -> 35:47.800] than it is at the moment?
[35:47.800 -> 35:53.120] Yes, absolutely. I mean, if we can't, then I've not done my job well enough. So yeah,
[35:53.120 -> 35:59.440] we're constantly searching for more bits of performance that will stack up. So yeah,
[35:59.440 -> 36:01.480] certainly more to come this year.
[36:01.480 -> 36:05.440] Okay, there's us thinking that it can't possibly get any faster and you're saying it can.
[36:05.440 -> 36:06.440] OK, OK.
[36:06.440 -> 36:08.440] This is from Adrian in South Africa.
[36:08.440 -> 36:10.480] This is a question for you, Rosanne.
[36:10.480 -> 36:14.400] So how do you simulate terrain?
[36:14.400 -> 36:17.760] That's always one of the least realistic looking things on video games.
[36:17.760 -> 36:22.960] So how do you create the effect of elevation changes in the simulator?
[36:22.960 -> 36:28.320] So there's a surface that you use that underlines the graphics, so it's a separate thing to
[36:28.320 -> 36:32.680] the graphics. So the graphics are just the visual representation of what you're driving
[36:32.680 -> 36:37.600] on, and then you have an underlying surface that you actually do drive on, and that's
[36:37.600 -> 36:44.240] where we're getting the data from. I can't give any more details, that would be telling
[36:44.240 -> 36:45.600] what technology we use.
[36:45.600 -> 36:47.880] Okay, no more secrets.
[36:47.880 -> 36:51.020] This is from Bart in the Netherlands.
[36:51.020 -> 36:52.020] This one is for Hannah.
[36:52.020 -> 36:56.880] So, with how many people are you in contact with during a race or are you just reporting
[36:56.880 -> 36:58.280] to one person directly?
[36:58.280 -> 36:59.280] Oh, no.
[36:59.280 -> 37:02.280] So, the pit wall, we will be discussing things.
[37:02.280 -> 37:05.080] So I'll be discussing with the race engineers, with Christian, with Adrian, on the pit wall, we will be discussing things. So I'll be discussing with the race engineers,
[37:05.080 -> 37:07.280] with Christian, with Adrian,
[37:07.280 -> 37:09.800] on the pit wall about our decisions.
[37:09.800 -> 37:12.720] So every time I've, you know, had a thought,
[37:12.720 -> 37:16.400] I'll be communicating that and talking to people,
[37:16.400 -> 37:18.480] making sure the race engineers know what the aim
[37:18.480 -> 37:19.800] of this stint is.
[37:19.800 -> 37:22.480] Everyone knows when the safety car windows will be open.
[37:22.480 -> 37:24.840] And I'll be talking to Christian and Adrian
[37:24.840 -> 37:25.040] about the
[37:25.040 -> 37:30.560] bigger picture. So I expect Ferrari are doing this or Mercedes might be doing that. So we should do
[37:30.560 -> 37:36.320] this. Are we okay to wait and cover people or do we need to be the proactive team here,
[37:36.880 -> 37:41.360] the first person to stop etc. So we'll be having all those discussions throughout.
[37:41.360 -> 37:45.600] And then also obviously the operations for me, that's the important
[37:45.600 -> 37:50.680] communi- not that the other links aren't important, but it's a very important communication link
[37:50.680 -> 37:54.920] because they're going to be giving me all the information to make those decisions and
[37:54.920 -> 37:59.480] to base those discussions on. So for me, all the information getting from them is really
[37:59.480 -> 38:03.600] important. So sometimes a race can be very busy if you're having these discussions.
[38:03.600 -> 38:06.860] So the operations room know when to step in and be like,
[38:06.860 -> 38:08.180] I really need to tell you this,
[38:08.180 -> 38:09.580] and you've been chatting on for ages,
[38:09.580 -> 38:12.620] so let me get this information to you.
[38:12.620 -> 38:16.260] So yeah, I think that there are quite a lot of voices,
[38:16.260 -> 38:17.500] but at the end of the day,
[38:17.500 -> 38:20.540] you can always tell people to stand by,
[38:20.540 -> 38:23.020] make sure you have the time to think and make the decisions
[38:23.020 -> 38:25.160] because that's the important factor.
[38:25.160 -> 38:26.000] Nice.
[38:26.000 -> 38:26.960] This one's also for you, Hannah.
[38:26.960 -> 38:28.400] So this is from Scott in the USA.
[38:28.400 -> 38:31.520] So when two cars are far apart on the grid,
[38:31.520 -> 38:33.920] like for Monaco, for example,
[38:33.920 -> 38:37.400] who decides the two separate strategies
[38:37.400 -> 38:39.000] that are going to be used?
[38:39.000 -> 38:40.440] So the person on the pit wall
[38:40.440 -> 38:42.920] is making the strategic decisions for the team.
[38:42.920 -> 38:44.920] So that will be for both drivers.
[38:44.920 -> 38:50.800] Then in the operations room, we always have one person looking at Max and one person looking at
[38:50.800 -> 38:55.120] Checo, and they will know all the information relative to that driver. So where they'll pit
[38:55.120 -> 38:59.440] when they come out, if other people stop, where they'll be relative to them. So they have all
[38:59.440 -> 39:04.240] that data and they're 100% always on top of that, because obviously when the drivers are far apart,
[39:04.240 -> 39:06.240] if you're doing the strategy for them both,
[39:06.240 -> 39:07.840] you don't want to forget about one
[39:08.720 -> 39:10.600] by overly concentrating on the other.
[39:10.600 -> 39:12.800] So they're always on that, and they will say to you,
[39:12.800 -> 39:16.000] oh, actually, we need to think about this soon or that soon.
[39:16.000 -> 39:18.400] But you're still the person making the decision.
[39:18.400 -> 39:20.720] The reason we do that is it's quite important
[39:20.720 -> 39:23.360] that we maximize the points for the team,
[39:23.360 -> 39:25.680] and that is not seen as a competition
[39:25.680 -> 39:29.800] between the two. So that's why it always works that way for us.
[39:29.800 -> 39:35.720] Okay, this is from Priscilla in Mexico. Do you think that age is a determined factor
[39:35.720 -> 39:41.480] to get a job in F1? So is the opportunity the same between young people or adults? I
[39:41.480 -> 39:49.200] mean, I'm going to put this to all of you because you all kind of, you all joined at a reasonably young age, right? So would you say that the opportunities
[39:49.200 -> 39:53.120] are the same for if you're younger, if you're older, whatever age you want to get into F1,
[39:53.120 -> 39:54.560] if you want to get into Red Bull Racing?
[39:54.560 -> 39:59.000] I think as long as you've got the skills, it's always about what your skills are and
[39:59.000 -> 40:02.640] that's what you're judged on when you come for an interview. It's not about your age
[40:02.640 -> 40:07.900] or how you look or anything else. So we also have the HP Poly Challenge, right?
[40:07.900 -> 40:09.540] So this is our final game.
[40:09.540 -> 40:13.900] So HP Poly are our partners of the Talking Board podcast,
[40:13.900 -> 40:16.980] and they are the leaders in video and voice solutions.
[40:16.980 -> 40:19.540] Now they want to challenge you, if you will.
[40:19.540 -> 40:22.900] So we've got a HP Poly Bluetooth speaker here.
[40:22.900 -> 40:25.080] What we're going to do, you can work as a team, it's fine,
[40:25.080 -> 40:27.440] you're not going against each other, you can work as a team.
[40:27.440 -> 40:29.080] So we have a montage here,
[40:29.080 -> 40:32.560] and there are four voices in this montage.
[40:32.560 -> 40:34.760] And all I need you to do is tell me who they are.
[40:34.760 -> 40:36.640] They are quite, well,
[40:36.640 -> 40:38.920] they're very popular people here at Red Bull.
[40:38.920 -> 40:43.080] So I need you to tell me who each voice is.
[40:43.080 -> 40:44.480] Are you ready?
[40:44.480 -> 40:45.880] Okay, have a listen.
[40:45.880 -> 40:46.720] Step by step.
[40:46.720 -> 40:47.840] It's incredible.
[40:47.840 -> 40:48.920] More aggressive guy.
[40:48.920 -> 40:50.440] You called us a tickler.
[40:50.440 -> 40:51.640] There was four voices in there.
[40:51.640 -> 40:52.680] That's quite fast.
[40:52.680 -> 40:54.080] We can play it for you one more time.
[40:54.080 -> 40:54.920] If you want to hear it one more time.
[40:54.920 -> 40:56.080] Is it the last one you're missing?
[40:56.080 -> 40:57.400] No, I've got the last one.
[40:57.400 -> 40:58.240] So if you've got the third one.
[40:58.240 -> 40:59.080] I've got the second one, definitely.
[40:59.080 -> 41:00.560] I've got first, second, fourth.
[41:00.560 -> 41:01.400] Okay.
[41:01.400 -> 41:02.840] So then, I think we've got it then.
[41:02.840 -> 41:04.280] Have you got the third?
[41:04.280 -> 41:08.760] I thought it sounded like, yeah. She's got the third, so I think we don't even need it a second time, do we?
[41:08.760 -> 41:09.760] Are you that confident?
[41:09.760 -> 41:10.760] Well, no!
[41:10.760 -> 41:11.760] I'm not confident at all!
[41:11.760 -> 41:12.760] I mean, okay, so who's...
[41:12.760 -> 41:13.760] I mean, only if we get more points.
[41:13.760 -> 41:14.760] If not, then we'll listen to it every week.
[41:14.760 -> 41:15.760] Okay, so who had number one?
[41:15.760 -> 41:16.760] I think we all have number one.
[41:16.760 -> 41:17.760] I'm pretty sure I have that.
[41:17.760 -> 41:18.760] Yeah.
[41:18.760 -> 41:19.760] Max Verstappen.
[41:19.760 -> 41:20.760] Max Verstappen is correct.
[41:20.760 -> 41:21.760] Voice number two?
[41:21.760 -> 41:22.760] It's me!
[41:22.760 -> 41:23.760] It's you!
[41:23.760 -> 41:24.760] And you know what?
[41:24.760 -> 41:25.680] I said to the production team, I said, I'm going to be the voice number two. I said, I'm going to be the voice number two. I said, I'm going to be the voice number two. I said, I'm going to be the voice number two. I said, I'm going to be the voice number one. I'm pretty sure I have that. Yeah. Max Versteppen. Max Versteppen is correct.
[41:25.680 -> 41:26.560] Voice number two?
[41:26.560 -> 41:27.060] It's me.
[41:28.240 -> 41:29.840] And do you know what I said to the production team?
[41:29.840 -> 41:32.960] I was like, if she doesn't get her own voice, that would just be crazy.
[41:32.960 -> 41:35.520] Because I know that sometimes when you listen to yourself back and you're like,
[41:35.520 -> 41:36.640] do I really sound like that?
[41:36.640 -> 41:38.720] I was wondering if you were going to get it, but you didn't.
[41:38.720 -> 41:39.760] Maybe the fourth.
[41:39.760 -> 41:41.040] I'm not sure about the third and fourth.
[41:41.040 -> 41:41.920] I'd need to hear that again.
[41:42.640 -> 41:43.760] Who did you think the third was?
[41:44.400 -> 41:47.440] I thought it sounded like Pierre.
[41:47.440 -> 41:48.940] Our technical director, Pierre.
[41:48.940 -> 41:51.680] Is the correct answer, yes it is.
[41:51.680 -> 41:52.680] And number four?
[41:52.680 -> 41:53.680] I don't know, I need to hear that again.
[41:53.680 -> 41:56.360] I thought it sounded like DC, but...
[41:56.360 -> 41:57.360] Maybe...
[41:57.360 -> 41:58.360] It's correct.
[41:58.360 -> 41:59.360] It's correct.
[41:59.360 -> 42:00.360] It's David Coulthard.
[42:00.360 -> 42:01.360] I was thinking, maybe, because, yeah, obviously.
[42:01.360 -> 42:05.440] You got four out of four, and you only listened to it once.
[42:06.400 -> 42:08.560] It's almost as if you know what you're doing.
[42:09.200 -> 42:12.560] I kind of got frowned by hearing Hannah, and then I was like thinking, that's Hannah.
[42:12.560 -> 42:15.840] And then I missed the last two after that.
[42:15.840 -> 42:18.000] Shall we hear it one more time so we can confirm?
[42:18.000 -> 42:18.480] Okay.
[42:18.480 -> 42:19.360] Step by step.
[42:19.360 -> 42:20.480] It's incredible.
[42:20.480 -> 42:21.520] More aggressive going.
[42:21.520 -> 42:22.480] You called us a tickler.
[42:23.360 -> 42:24.160] Smashed it!
[42:24.160 -> 42:27.360] Absolutely smashed it! Well done. Do you know what, it's been an absolute pleasure
[42:27.360 -> 42:32.000] having you three on the podcast. Thank you so much for joining me. Have you enjoyed it?
[42:32.000 -> 42:34.400] Yeah. It's been a really good experience.
[42:34.400 -> 42:38.720] Yeah. I hope to speak to you again soon and Talking Bull will be back again next month.