Daniel Ricciardo and Simon Rennie: moments, Monaco and motivation

Nicola Hume speaks to Daniel Ricciardo and his former race engineer Simon Rennie all about their favourite memories of working together at Oracle Red Bull Racing. Simon, in his new role as a group leader of simulation engineering, talks about working with Daniel again in the sim and how his confidence picked back up after a tough few years on the grid.

Daniel and Simon share their thoughts on what a great driver and engineer combination should feel like and Daniel discusses what it’s been like to work with Max and Checo, plus the ups and downs of being an F1 driver.

Also, in our 'Oracle Red Bull Racing in 100 Objects' section, they discuss Daniel’s famous 2018 win in Monaco, and the issues with the car that nearly cost him that famous win in the principality. They also answer tons of questions from listeners, plus take on the HP Poly Challenge at the very end.

# Talking Ball with Daniel Ricciardo and Simon Rennie

## Introduction

- Nicola Hulme welcomes Daniel Ricciardo and Simon Rennie, Daniel's former racing engineer and current Group Leader of Simulation Engineering, to the Talking Ball podcast.

## Working Relationship

- Nicola asks about their working relationship, both past and present.
- Daniel and Simon share that they have a good friendship outside of racing and enjoy spending time together.
- Daniel expresses his appreciation for being back at Red Bull and feeling a sense of belonging and familiarity.

## Daniel's Return to Red Bull

- Nicola brings up Christian Horner's comments about Daniel's transformation upon his return to Red Bull.
- Daniel acknowledges that he had lost some confidence and weight during his time away from the team.
- He explains that it took him some time to regain his confidence and momentum in the simulator but eventually felt like his old self again.

## Daniel's Role as Reserve Driver

- Daniel discusses his role as the reserve driver for Red Bull, focusing on his work in the simulator and behind-the-scenes contributions.
- He emphasizes the importance of having a long-term perspective in simulator development, looking beyond individual race events.
- Daniel highlights the value of his experience and ability to provide feedback to the race team, even though he is not actively competing.

## Differences Between Engineering in Simulators and at Races

- Nicola asks about the differences between engineering in simulators and at races.
- Simon explains that the focus at race events is on optimizing the car and driver performance for the specific event, while simulator work involves longer-term development and addressing recurring issues.
- Daniel adds that simulator work allows for more in-depth analysis and exploration of different setups and strategies.

## Daniel's Relationship with Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez

- Nicola inquires about Daniel's relationship with his teammates, Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez.
- Daniel expresses positive sentiments towards both drivers, acknowledging his long-standing friendship with Max and his admiration for Checo's resurgence in recent years.
- He mentions that he enjoys the camaraderie and learning opportunities within the team.

## Daniel's Race Fitness and Preparations

- Nicola asks how Daniel has maintained his race fitness despite not actively competing.
- Daniel admits that he took some time off after last season to mentally and physically recharge.
- He explains that he gradually resumed training and regained his motivation to return to racing.
- Daniel emphasizes the importance of internal motivation and enjoying the training process.
- He acknowledges the challenges of getting back into an F1 car after a break but expresses excitement about the upcoming race.

## Daniel's Return to Racing with AlphaTauri

- Nicola brings up the recent announcement of Daniel's return to the grid with AlphaTauri.
- Daniel expresses his enthusiasm for the opportunity and the unique challenges it presents.
- He mentions that he is eager to contribute to the team's success and is grateful for the support he has received.

## 100 Objects: Trophy from 2016 Hungarian Grand Prix

- Nicola introduces the "100 Objects" segment, where guests bring an object that holds significance during their time at Red Bull.
- Simon presents a trophy from the 2016 Hungarian Grand Prix, which Daniel had won.
- They reminisce about the race, highlighting the satisfaction of winning after a disappointing race the previous year.
- Daniel emphasizes the rarity of race victories and the importance of cherishing such moments.

## **Monaco 2018 Race**

- Daniel Ricciardo recalls the 2018 Monaco Grand Prix, where he faced a significant problem during the race.
- He experienced a loss of power due to a Motor Generator Unit - Kinetic (MGUK) issue, leading to potential brake failure.
- Despite the challenge, Ricciardo managed to finish the race and secure a victory, demonstrating his resilience and adaptability.

## **Overcoming Challenges**

- Ricciardo reflects on the mental and emotional challenges he faced during a difficult period in his career.
- He emphasizes the importance of learning from setbacks, maintaining a positive mindset, and focusing on long-term goals.

## **Keeping Up with Technology**

- Simon Rennie discusses the constant evolution of technology in Formula One and the need for engineers to stay updated with new developments.
- He highlights the importance of understanding new technologies to maintain competitiveness and gain an advantage.

## **Managing Emotions During Races**

- Ricciardo and Rennie discuss strategies for managing emotions during races, especially when faced with setbacks or bad luck.
- They emphasize the need to stay focused, avoid dwelling on negative emotions, and maintain a positive outlook to maximize performance.

## **The Honey Badger**

- Ricciardo explains the origin of his nickname, "The Honey Badger," which was given to him by his trainer, Stuart.
- The nickname reflects Ricciardo's aggressive and determined driving style, contrasting with his friendly and approachable personality.

## **PolySync 20 Challenge**

- The podcast features a challenge where Ricciardo and Rennie attempt to identify four voices of individuals associated with Red Bull Racing.
- They successfully recognize the voices of Adrian Newey, Daniil Kvyat, Helmut Marko, and Sebastian Vettel.

## **Conclusion**

- The podcast concludes with a discussion about the possibility of Ricciardo and Rennie performing a "shoey" celebration, a tradition in Formula One where drivers drink champagne from their racing shoes.
- They express their willingness to do it in the future, acknowledging the significance of the tradition.

[00:00.000 -> 00:02.300] Welcome back to Talking Ball, brought to you by HP Poly.
[00:02.300 -> 00:05.100] I'm Nicola Hulme. We are back here in Milton Keynes,
[00:05.100 -> 00:07.000] talking all things Oracle Red Bull Racing.
[00:07.000 -> 00:10.300] Now, our next guest, kind of cool guest, really,
[00:10.300 -> 00:11.900] we have the honey badger himself.
[00:11.900 -> 00:13.700] It's Daniel Ricciardo.
[00:14.700 -> 00:18.700] And also, his former racing engineer
[00:18.700 -> 00:21.100] turned group leader of Simulation Engineering.
[00:21.100 -> 00:22.700] It's Simon Rennie.
[00:24.900 -> 00:26.320] Thank you for coming, guys. Thank you for coming guys.
[00:26.880 -> 00:28.720] Thank you. You are allowed to speak.
[00:30.240 -> 00:32.240] How are you both? Good.
[00:35.200 -> 00:42.000] We're good. Well, yeah, it's firstly, this year has been really fun for many reasons,
[00:42.000 -> 00:48.440] but working with Simon again, you know, most of my year so far has been sim running.
[00:48.440 -> 00:52.260] That's just been myself, Simon,
[00:52.260 -> 00:54.680] and another fellow Jamie in
[00:54.680 -> 00:57.480] a room locked together for nine hours a day.
[00:57.480 -> 00:58.280] That's nice.
[00:58.280 -> 00:59.560] It's actually really good.
[00:59.560 -> 01:01.880] Yeah, we've been able to bond.
[01:01.880 -> 01:03.160] We haven't bonded in a while,
[01:03.160 -> 01:06.240] so it's been emotional for me.
[01:06.240 -> 01:09.840] I mean, Simon, you've gone full-blown deadpan, very serious face here.
[01:09.840 -> 01:10.640] Do you want to talk about it?
[01:10.640 -> 01:12.440] That is Simon to a T. That is, yeah.
[01:12.440 -> 01:14.160] That's how it goes, isn't it?
[01:14.160 -> 01:16.080] Because you've known each other for a while.
[01:16.080 -> 01:19.440] Obviously, you were working together back in 2014.
[01:19.440 -> 01:21.200] That was when you first started working together, right?
[01:21.200 -> 01:23.520] Yeah. I think we also worked together,
[01:23.520 -> 01:25.640] I think you did a test in 2013.
[01:26.240 -> 01:27.160] That was the first time.
[01:27.160 -> 01:29.440] And I was working with Mark Webber at the time.
[01:29.440 -> 01:34.880] And then Daniel had a bit of a go for, was it a young driver test or something like that?
[01:35.440 -> 01:38.560] I mean, you seem to have like a really nice working relationship.
[01:38.560 -> 01:41.800] Is there also a nice sort of friendship relationship afterwards, like pop down the
[01:41.800 -> 01:43.720] pub for a pint kind of friendship going on?
[01:44.680 -> 01:44.960] Yeah.
[01:44.960 -> 01:47.920] Yeah.
[01:52.240 -> 01:53.840] This is like people that maybe don't know Simon, they're like, I don't know, does, does he actually like Daniel?
[01:53.840 -> 01:59.040] He seems, he doesn't seem that excited, but that's, I think in a way why we, why we actually
[01:59.040 -> 02:04.480] got on so well initially is because he's like, he's quite like tough to crack.
[02:04.480 -> 02:09.000] But when, when like you do, he's just just, is like getting a laugh out of Simon feels
[02:09.000 -> 02:09.960] like you've won a race.
[02:09.960 -> 02:11.680] So it's pretty good.
[02:11.760 -> 02:14.440] Um, but we, we actually have a lot in common, you know?
[02:14.440 -> 02:18.940] So, you know, when we were, when we used to be here together, you know, some
[02:18.940 -> 02:23.160] SIM sessions, you know, if we, um, kind of arranged our day well enough would
[02:23.160 -> 02:26.360] maybe fit when we finished, we'd go and do some like mountain biking together
[02:26.360 -> 02:28.200] or do some things together like that.
[02:29.120 -> 02:32.320] So yeah, we definitely get on outside of,
[02:34.200 -> 02:35.960] the racing office as well.
[02:35.960 -> 02:36.800] And I have to say,
[02:36.800 -> 02:40.240] it's very nice to have you back here at Red Bull,
[02:40.240 -> 02:41.080] cause it seems, I mean,
[02:41.080 -> 02:42.760] you've become a bit of a Red Bull legend,
[02:42.760 -> 02:44.040] then you sort of went off,
[02:44.040 -> 02:45.680] did a bit of driving elsewhere, we don't have to mention them, it's fine. Let's talk of a Red Bull legend, then you went off, did a bit of driving elsewhere.
[02:45.680 -> 02:47.040] We don't have to mention them.
[02:47.040 -> 02:48.840] It's fine. Let's talk about the Red Bull stuff.
[02:48.840 -> 02:51.560] How does it feel to be back here
[02:51.560 -> 02:53.920] where it maybe feels like home for you?
[02:53.920 -> 02:56.640] Do you feel more settled, feel more comfortable?
[02:56.640 -> 02:58.000] I do. I really do.
[02:58.000 -> 03:03.760] And it's not a knock on the last few years or anything.
[03:03.760 -> 03:07.440] I was certainly... I think the way I am,
[03:07.440 -> 03:13.680] I always try and make a place feel as comfortable as possible.
[03:13.680 -> 03:17.080] I do enjoy working with people.
[03:17.080 -> 03:20.400] I felt like I've always been able to maintain
[03:20.400 -> 03:22.480] a relatively good environment around me,
[03:22.480 -> 03:26.000] but there's obviously levels to that.
[03:26.000 -> 03:31.900] And this is certainly one that, yeah, it's been like unmatched for me.
[03:31.900 -> 03:37.740] And I think coming back into it, you know, kind of four or five years on made me realize
[03:37.740 -> 03:43.500] just how special it is to me and how much, yeah, like a lot of good memories and stuff,
[03:43.500 -> 03:49.280] but yeah, just kind of that connection to, as you mentioned, like home, it's quite a powerful word.
[03:49.280 -> 03:53.920] You know, I think like a sense of belonging to somewhere or someone is really strong.
[03:53.920 -> 03:55.920] So that's what I feel.
[03:55.920 -> 03:58.400] And, you know, coming back here as well, it was very evident.
[03:58.400 -> 04:00.720] Everyone was so warm and welcoming.
[04:00.720 -> 04:06.400] And yeah, it's, as I said, I even, you know, like working with Simon,
[04:06.400 -> 04:11.980] it's kind of like we just, we got back, you know, we, how do you say, you got where we
[04:11.980 -> 04:16.180] left off? What am I, what's the word I missed? You picked up, yeah, picked up where we left
[04:16.180 -> 04:23.080] off. So that kind of feeling of familiarity as well. I think that's kind of proven that
[04:23.080 -> 04:25.840] this place does feel right for me.
[04:25.840 -> 04:30.120] Well, here's the thing. So we had Christian Horner on the podcast and we spoke about you.
[04:30.120 -> 04:33.120] I don't know if you listened. I hear that you're a massive fan of this podcast.
[04:33.120 -> 04:36.840] But he was speaking about how different you were when you did come back,
[04:36.840 -> 04:38.040] that when you were at McLaren,
[04:38.040 -> 04:39.760] you had lost a bit of weight,
[04:39.760 -> 04:41.560] you were driving differently.
[04:41.560 -> 04:46.400] So did you just feel like you came back to Red Bull and you just set off running,
[04:46.400 -> 04:49.000] felt like everything was back to normal again?
[04:49.000 -> 04:56.080] Yeah, like I, the first day I remember like coming into the sim, I was, yeah, I was for
[04:56.080 -> 05:01.840] sure very excited to be back, you know, here in Milton Keynes, but for sure I was a little
[05:01.840 -> 05:11.920] bit, yeah, like apprehensive or a bit, yeah, you know, my, for sure I was a little bit apprehensive. For sure, my confidence had been knocked about the last 12, 18 months.
[05:14.400 -> 05:20.120] I think when you're trying to be the best in the world at something,
[05:20.120 -> 05:23.320] for sure you're going to have its ups and downs,
[05:23.320 -> 05:26.860] and some days you're going to think you're invincible and other days you won't.
[05:26.860 -> 05:32.200] So I think there was just a bit of a consistency the last little bit where,
[05:32.200 -> 05:34.660] yeah, I no longer felt,
[05:34.660 -> 05:37.300] let's say, invincible or awesome.
[05:37.300 -> 05:40.220] But of course, there was still a bit of apprehension in terms of,
[05:40.220 -> 05:42.340] I need to drive the car,
[05:42.340 -> 05:44.700] I need to make sure that, yeah,
[05:44.700 -> 05:45.440] it's everything.
[05:45.440 -> 05:53.120] I remember it to be. And, uh, unfortunately it was, and then everything kind of just skyrocketed
[05:53.120 -> 05:58.080] from there. And I started feeling like myself and even people around me, you know, outside of the
[05:58.080 -> 06:02.800] racing world were kind of saying, these are their words. So I'm not saying I'm talking about this
[06:02.800 -> 06:08.880] about myself, but you're glowing. Like you, you look great again, like you look a bit more weightless and I'd
[06:08.880 -> 06:11.360] put on weight, but my aura was weightless.
[06:11.360 -> 06:14.360] In a good way.
[06:14.360 -> 06:18.560] So it's just, you know, you go through, you know, the last few years, obviously I've gone
[06:18.560 -> 06:25.840] through a few different teams and experiences and as I said, I'll always, you know, try and make an environment work.
[06:25.840 -> 06:29.840] But I think also stepping back into not only Red Bull,
[06:29.840 -> 06:32.160] but working alongside someone like Simon,
[06:32.160 -> 06:34.160] who I'd had such a good relationship with
[06:34.160 -> 06:37.160] and we'd had a lot of, you know, success together.
[06:37.160 -> 06:41.160] It was all just, it just kind of flowed effortlessly.
[06:41.160 -> 06:43.160] And I was like, ah, this is what I need.
[06:43.160 -> 06:45.960] And it's felt really good.
[06:45.960 -> 06:48.720] Well, I mean, you've been working on the simulators
[06:48.720 -> 06:50.160] and kind of helping out behind the scenes.
[06:50.160 -> 06:51.600] So take us through your kind of,
[06:51.600 -> 06:53.360] your day to day of what it's been like
[06:53.360 -> 06:54.920] being the reserve driver for Red Bull.
[06:54.920 -> 06:57.120] Like, so it started with the simulator,
[06:57.120 -> 07:00.000] you know, the first thing I did in 2023
[07:00.000 -> 07:01.480] was a couple of sim sessions.
[07:01.480 -> 07:03.440] And that was for sure,
[07:03.440 -> 07:09.780] just for me to get back into the groove and yeah, to learn the car, but just kind of get back into my flow.
[07:09.780 -> 07:13.980] And then I don't think that was as easy as you thought it was going to be.
[07:13.980 -> 07:14.980] Yeah.
[07:14.980 -> 07:18.460] Because I went while she was talking, I was thinking I was quite when he first came back,
[07:18.460 -> 07:23.580] I was quite surprised knowing Daniel when he came back, how he was, I didn't say this
[07:23.580 -> 07:24.580] to you at the time.
[07:24.580 -> 07:26.400] No, this is a good therapy session.
[07:26.400 -> 07:28.600] I don't deny it.
[07:28.600 -> 07:34.200] No, it was almost like he was a little bit timid.
[07:34.200 -> 07:35.960] No. Well, yeah, you were a bit,
[07:35.960 -> 07:39.440] you're definitely not as confident as I know you are.
[07:39.440 -> 07:44.520] And you were just like a little bit hollow in a way,
[07:44.520 -> 07:49.840] and it felt like you were doubting yourself a little bit and you were, you were a bit
[07:49.840 -> 07:51.600] concerned about whether you could do it again.
[07:51.600 -> 07:54.880] Cause obviously you would have good success with us and you, the last couple of years
[07:54.880 -> 07:56.200] haven't been quite successful, but.
[07:57.700 -> 08:01.760] And it didn't necessarily click straight away in the simulator and it took you that
[08:01.760 -> 08:03.240] first day that we did together.
[08:04.360 -> 08:07.840] I don't know if you left with a good feeling or not after that first day,
[08:08.320 -> 08:11.240] you still seemed a little bit unsure of it all.
[08:11.720 -> 08:15.320] And then you went away, had a bit of time off at home.
[08:16.080 -> 08:20.000] And then the next time you're in, it's like you were already a bit more bouncy.
[08:20.480 -> 08:23.360] Maybe you'd had a bit more time to think about you a bit more, like say halfway
[08:23.360 -> 08:24.520] back to being yourself.
[08:24.960 -> 08:28.280] And then we had a good day on the simulator and I think you just drove it and
[08:28.640 -> 08:30.040] naturally like you wanted to do.
[08:30.040 -> 08:32.760] And it just sort of clicked a little bit and then the confidence and then
[08:32.760 -> 08:34.280] snowballed and you built and built and built.
[08:34.280 -> 08:37.920] And then by the end of that day or the next day, you felt like, yeah, he's back
[08:37.920 -> 08:41.200] again and it's more like a normal Daniel that we were used to from the past, but
[08:41.200 -> 08:46.680] it was really marked the first time that we saw him again, you were a bit subdued, I say.
[08:46.680 -> 08:48.160] It's nice to see him back again now.
[08:48.160 -> 08:49.880] Christian said pretty much the same thing.
[08:49.880 -> 08:51.960] How's that make you feel hearing that from him?
[08:51.960 -> 08:52.960] No, it's good.
[08:52.960 -> 09:02.040] Like, I mean, I, in a way, I don't mind hearing that at all because it also makes me feel
[09:02.040 -> 09:07.000] a little bit better in a way about for whatever this is called the last year.
[09:07.000 -> 09:14.000] Because obviously my results weren't what I expected for myself, what anyone probably expected from me.
[09:14.000 -> 09:22.000] And I think stepping out of that and having a bit of time off over summer and knowing I wasn't going to be racing this year.
[09:22.000 -> 09:27.680] So just having time to think about other things, then obviously getting back in,
[09:28.160 -> 09:32.400] I became, obviously people were aware and then I became aware of, oh yeah, okay.
[09:32.400 -> 09:36.880] I had, I had lost a little bit of something, you know, internally and,
[09:37.480 -> 09:39.140] um, and he's right.
[09:39.140 -> 09:44.120] Like the first day I was yeah, still unsure and probably still some call it
[09:44.120 -> 09:47.200] habits maybe from the past year was still unsure and probably still some habits maybe from the past year was still
[09:47.200 -> 09:48.200] there.
[09:48.200 -> 09:53.060] So it took me a little bit of time to kind of start fresh.
[09:53.060 -> 10:02.520] And I think that's why it took a good day to empty it all and then go from there.
[10:02.520 -> 10:08.080] I think as well, the older you get, the more, you know, as a kid, like, you know, I got into this sport at 22.
[10:08.880 -> 10:14.480] What do you have to worry about at 22? Like you're a kid, you're pretty naive and everything,
[10:14.480 -> 10:18.720] like, as I said, you feel invincible and you do one good race or one fast lap and you're like,
[10:18.720 -> 10:24.000] yeah, I'm the best. So, you know, I think the older you get, you realize that not everything
[10:24.000 -> 10:25.160] is perfect and sometimes you will struggle, but it's, I think the older you get, you realize that not everything is perfect and
[10:25.160 -> 10:30.120] sometimes you will struggle, but it's, I think that's where I really have enjoyed the struggles
[10:30.120 -> 10:32.320] as much as they suck.
[10:32.320 -> 10:40.780] You know, they, they really allow you to search for some answers and learn more about yourself
[10:40.780 -> 10:50.240] and whether that's through self-learning or observing how others have observed me and hearing, you know, how I'm being seen, I think it's all part of it.
[10:50.240 -> 10:56.560] So if you could sort of give a message to Daniel of the past, what do you think you would say?
[10:58.400 -> 11:02.320] So, I mean, young Daniel was great because, yeah, he didn't really think about anything.
[11:02.400 -> 11:02.900] because yeah, I didn't really think about anything. Yeah.
[11:02.900 -> 11:06.000] But yeah, look, I've learned a lot.
[11:07.000 -> 11:12.300] I mean, this year being off the grid for, you know, six months and being able,
[11:12.300 -> 11:17.100] as I said, just to observe a few things and having the luxury of time and a bit more of a free schedule,
[11:17.100 -> 11:18.900] I've seen things a little differently.
[11:18.900 -> 11:26.000] And for sure, I look back now and I would say, oh, yes, like I should have addressed that sooner with
[11:26.000 -> 11:32.640] say another team or I should have maybe pushed more for this or I probably tried to, I probably
[11:32.640 -> 11:38.000] just thought again, this isn't a bad thing because it's self-belief, but I probably thought
[11:38.000 -> 11:43.600] I was good enough regardless of the situation, the circumstances, you know, I was like, well,
[11:43.600 -> 11:47.680] I'll figure it out. Like if I'm good enough, I'll find a way and I'll still make it work.
[11:47.880 -> 11:54.980] But I think as well at this level, you know, everyone's operating on such a high level,
[11:54.980 -> 12:00.460] frequency, whatever, that you have to, you can't just do it on your own.
[12:00.460 -> 12:13.660] Like you can't, you might be able to like fluke it once or twice, but you can't sustain that over a 23, 24 race season. So yeah, just having the probably maturity to see things and address
[12:13.660 -> 12:22.860] them and not think, as I said, that I am some wonder boy that can magically do it all.
[12:22.860 -> 12:27.640] What's actually the difference between sort of engineering simulators and
[12:27.640 -> 12:28.920] engineering in a race?
[12:29.160 -> 12:31.720] Because you're still technically kind of been, you've been working together again
[12:31.720 -> 12:34.560] this year, but it's been completely different circumstances.
[12:34.600 -> 12:36.880] So how does that work together as a partnership this year?
[12:37.240 -> 12:41.480] At the race event, it's all about that event and you are trying to get the best
[12:41.480 -> 12:50.860] out of the driver and the car in that event. So whether it be the qualifying session or the race event itself, but the whole
[12:50.920 -> 12:56.760] thing is about adapting the car and working to suit the driver and trying to get the
[12:56.760 -> 12:58.680] best out of that short-term event.
[12:58.680 -> 13:00.520] That is what's coming up in the next day.
[13:01.260 -> 13:06.880] The way that we use the simulator, there is a part of that when we're looking
[13:06.880 -> 13:11.720] at supporting the guys at the track around the races, but a bigger part probably is the
[13:11.720 -> 13:16.460] longer term development stuff. And we are looking for trends and problems that we see
[13:16.460 -> 13:22.760] on the car that are become quite frequent, let's say. The work that we've been doing
[13:22.760 -> 13:25.040] has been, I'd say quite a lot of the longer term
[13:25.040 -> 13:30.040] stuff, stuff looking probably for next year's car rather than for each
[13:30.040 -> 13:31.480] of the individual event this week.
[13:31.820 -> 13:34.840] So that's a bit of a difference to, to what I guess you've been used to.
[13:34.840 -> 13:38.980] Cause when you've been racing, you've been probably just doing the next event
[13:38.980 -> 13:42.660] and you, you sort of, you just go in from event to event to event, whereas we're
[13:42.660 -> 13:44.340] trying to take a much longer term picture.
[13:43.840 -> 13:52.640] you just go in from event to event to event, whereas we're trying to take a much longer term picture. And having somebody that's experienced and knows that the simulator is an engineering
[13:52.640 -> 13:57.840] tool rather than reality, Daniel's able to understand that when we change something,
[13:58.960 -> 14:05.680] he can project if we did that in the real car, how it would feel, what the pros and cons would be in different conditions.
[14:07.000 -> 14:09.200] Yeah, so it's been really valuable for that
[14:10.280 -> 14:12.040] because the time that we get,
[14:12.040 -> 14:13.520] and when Daniel was racing as well,
[14:13.520 -> 14:14.720] the time that you get in the simulator
[14:14.720 -> 14:17.640] with the race drivers is really limited.
[14:17.640 -> 14:18.720] They're very, really busy.
[14:18.720 -> 14:20.320] They're always flying all over the world racing
[14:20.320 -> 14:21.420] and things like that.
[14:21.420 -> 14:24.200] Whereas if you've got fewer races to attend,
[14:24.200 -> 14:29.960] you can spend more time in the factory. So, and it's a bit more of, um, because you aren't worrying about the next race, you can
[14:29.960 -> 14:33.440] spend so much more time looking in the longer term to try and help the team.
[14:33.440 -> 14:38.600] And, you know, in six months or in a year or something like that is quite, I don't know
[14:38.600 -> 14:42.280] how you found that compared to the, the race event preparation.
[14:42.600 -> 14:42.840] Yeah.
[14:42.840 -> 14:55.200] I think that's, that's one that I've seen this year again, not, not having a race, you know, nearly every weekend you've got, you can look so much further ahead.
[14:55.240 -> 15:01.840] I just, I've been able to see so much more where as a, as a race driver, you're simply just too occupied.
[15:05.800 -> 15:09.960] you're simply just too occupied. Your time is spent on, if you're not racing, you're doing something else, commitment, or you're just trying to catch your breath and prepare
[15:09.960 -> 15:15.000] yourself for the next race. So yeah, it's very, a lot of the time it can just be very,
[15:15.000 -> 15:16.000] yeah, like short-sighted.
[15:16.000 -> 15:20.720] So, I mean, you've been, you've been helping kind of, yeah, help develop the car and help
[15:20.720 -> 15:30.640] figure out sort of strategy and things like that when it comes to sim racing. But I guess Max and Checo drive completely different. So do you kind of have to figure out how that
[15:30.640 -> 15:35.680] would then work for Max, how that would then work for Checo, for then how that would work on track?
[15:35.680 -> 15:41.280] You kind of have to attempt to drive both styles to kind of tick both boxes to make sure they're
[15:41.280 -> 15:44.320] both happy. Is that how it works? That's a really good question.
[15:45.280 -> 15:47.480] There is a bit of that. You don't know the answer, is it?
[15:47.480 -> 15:48.680] It's good.
[15:48.680 -> 15:52.560] There is a bit of that. I don't think it's
[15:52.560 -> 15:56.360] necessarily the drivers that drive the simulator
[15:56.360 -> 16:00.760] drive in a different way to replicate each of the drivers.
[16:00.760 -> 16:02.640] They try to tend to drive
[16:02.640 -> 16:05.520] naturally or what the way that it will work for them.
[16:05.520 -> 16:08.400] But sometimes if we are, say we're working
[16:08.400 -> 16:12.240] around a race event, we will look at what both cars
[16:12.240 -> 16:14.160] have done in the practice session.
[16:14.160 -> 16:16.320] We will then correlate and tune the car
[16:16.320 -> 16:18.520] on the simulator to give the same balance
[16:18.520 -> 16:19.400] as it did on the track.
[16:19.400 -> 16:22.880] Sometimes that needs little bits of tweaking
[16:22.880 -> 16:27.420] of things here and there, but generally it's not that different.
[16:27.420 -> 16:29.060] But what we are aware of is that
[16:29.060 -> 16:30.380] if the drivers drive the same car,
[16:30.380 -> 16:33.020] they might have different limitations of,
[16:34.180 -> 16:37.140] one might like the balance, one might not like the balance,
[16:37.140 -> 16:38.820] but even though the car's the same.
[16:38.820 -> 16:43.420] So we are just more aware that things that we are testing
[16:43.420 -> 16:46.320] are trying to push the balance in a certain direction,
[16:46.320 -> 16:49.080] then that might be the wrong way for one of the drivers,
[16:49.080 -> 16:50.800] but it might be the right way for the other driver.
[16:50.800 -> 16:52.600] So I think we would be more,
[16:52.600 -> 16:55.240] rather than getting our drivers to drive differently,
[16:56.280 -> 16:59.560] it'd be more the recommendations that we make to the track
[16:59.560 -> 17:03.840] are targeted for one driver, the other driver,
[17:03.840 -> 17:06.280] knowing that we've had a result that we've seen on the simulator,
[17:06.280 -> 17:09.000] that when you listen to the driver's limitations of track,
[17:09.000 -> 17:10.640] you know, okay, this is going to be good for you.
[17:11.200 -> 17:12.040] You won't like this.
[17:12.040 -> 17:16.880] It's more the feedback that gets sent the other way is,
[17:17.320 -> 17:20.080] is more targeted rather than the driver
[17:20.800 -> 17:22.840] doing anything different on the simulator.
[17:22.840 -> 17:25.280] Daniel, what's your relationship like with Max and Checo?
[17:25.280 -> 17:35.000] It's good. I've really enjoyed just being there at the track and kind of,
[17:35.000 -> 17:40.000] as I said, because I haven't been in a race seat, you know, I'm there with no
[17:40.000 -> 17:46.000] competitiveness in terms of, you know, like normally your teammate is like your first competitor.
[17:46.000 -> 17:54.000] So I'm just there like observing both trying to assist if I can also learn from them, you know, like no drivers perfect.
[17:54.000 -> 18:06.440] I think we can always learn from someone or whether it's driving, whether it's communication, there's always somethingone of voice, all these things. So yeah, that's been really good.
[18:06.440 -> 18:10.640] Obviously, Max, I was teammates with for quite a few years.
[18:10.640 -> 18:14.040] And yeah, I think like, I mean, look,
[18:14.040 -> 18:16.560] we always had a pretty good time when we were teammates together
[18:16.560 -> 18:17.200] and had a laugh.
[18:17.200 -> 18:19.520] But I think even more so the last few years,
[18:19.520 -> 18:21.960] we've got on really well.
[18:21.960 -> 18:29.400] And I think as well, I admire Max for, let's say, always, I think
[18:29.400 -> 18:33.840] his approach to racing, but also after the success he's had, particularly the last few
[18:33.840 -> 18:46.480] years, his kind of unchanged personality, mindset, whatever, like he hasn't really been affected by the success. And it's easier said than done.
[18:46.480 -> 18:52.880] And I, you know, I think that's, yeah, just certainly at this level, I think admirable.
[18:52.880 -> 18:59.000] And then Checo, we joined F1 actually the same, both in 2011.
[18:59.000 -> 19:01.680] So we've had a very similar length career.
[19:01.680 -> 19:04.080] And yeah, it's been cool.
[19:04.080 -> 19:06.960] I mean, I've equally, I've had, I've done a helmet swap with Checo.
[19:06.960 -> 19:08.880] So I've, I've always got on well with him as well.
[19:09.320 -> 19:15.560] And I've just, uh, yeah, been excited to, to see also how he's getting on with the
[19:15.560 -> 19:20.800] team, how he's, you know, obviously Max is a very, very strong competitor.
[19:20.800 -> 19:24.520] So yeah, always kind of curious seeing, you know, where his strengths are and where
[19:24.520 -> 19:26.840] he's trying to find the time. And so that's,
[19:26.880 -> 19:30.320] that's really cool for me to kind of, as I said, see from, from the background.
[19:31.040 -> 19:32.680] And I think as well, like, you know,
[19:33.040 -> 19:36.720] before Checo got the Red Bull seat, there was question marks, like, is he,
[19:36.720 -> 19:40.600] is he going to be on the grid that year? And, you know, so to kind of see him,
[19:42.200 -> 19:44.440] I don't want to, I wouldn't go as far as saying like resurrect his career,
[19:44.440 -> 19:47.080] but to yeah, to come back in
[19:47.080 -> 19:50.800] like a big way. I think it's a cool story as well.
[19:50.800 -> 19:56.640] I think as well, I'm going to say this on behalf of fans, the moment that you came back
[19:56.640 -> 20:02.800] even as reserve driver, you can see the difference in Max and Checo personality wise, like on
[20:02.800 -> 20:03.800] social media.
[20:03.800 -> 20:06.640] I allow them to joke a little bit more.
[20:06.640 -> 20:10.240] You're seeing videos of them now, just really laughing. Not that they never used to,
[20:10.240 -> 20:14.880] but it feels like you've just kind of come in and you've thrown like a party bomb in the middle of
[20:14.880 -> 20:20.240] Red Bull and now they're just living their best lives and they've had a major personality change
[20:20.240 -> 20:24.480] since you've come back, which has come across really nicely, I think. How have you managed to
[20:24.480 -> 20:27.840] stay race fit when you haven't been racing?
[20:28.920 -> 20:29.400] You know what?
[20:29.400 -> 20:30.360] That was a big assumption.
[20:32.640 -> 20:34.160] Are you race fit is the question?
[20:34.560 -> 20:35.880] Yeah, I'm good enough.
[20:36.280 -> 20:42.720] It's um, look, after, after everything that happened last year, I
[20:43.240 -> 20:46.800] intentionally wanted to just, let's say,
[20:46.800 -> 20:49.320] take some time off over Christmas.
[20:49.320 -> 20:55.380] Because every, you know, for the past, obviously pre-F one, I don't know, 17 years or something,
[20:55.380 -> 20:58.520] you know, I would get a few weeks off over Christmas and then it was like, okay, January,
[20:58.520 -> 21:00.760] like get back into training camp and do this and do that.
[21:00.760 -> 21:06.280] And you know, so even I realized this year that even my Christmas
[21:06.280 -> 21:12.880] holiday in the past never always felt like a holiday because it was like, okay, I might
[21:12.880 -> 21:17.560] eat some cake today, but I know that's just now more work for me to do in January, for
[21:17.560 -> 21:22.840] example. So you're never fully off, even if you might like act like you're off. I think
[21:22.840 -> 21:26.880] there's something always in your mind ticking over, like, there's now more work to do.
[21:26.880 -> 21:31.880] So I just, I really made a point to completely switch off.
[21:32.340 -> 21:35.440] I did nothing other than just enjoy myself
[21:35.440 -> 21:37.360] for two months really with friends and that.
[21:37.360 -> 21:41.200] And I'm like, I'm not, I'm still an active person.
[21:41.200 -> 21:42.800] So, you know, I still like go out with mates
[21:42.800 -> 21:44.760] and ride dirt bikes or, you know,
[21:44.760 -> 21:48.880] so I'm not like sitting on the couch for two months, but yeah, I did like no specific
[21:48.880 -> 21:54.720] training or anything like that. And you had cake. And I had cake. Nice. Lots of it. But it was also,
[21:54.720 -> 22:00.400] so that was, I also just kind of needed that for like just headspace and just to say like,
[22:00.400 -> 22:08.760] just switch off and not have, not necessarily have like a target for anything, just to be a bit chilled for a while.
[22:08.760 -> 22:12.160] But then I got to February and I was like,
[22:12.160 -> 22:15.200] all right, I've chilled enough.
[22:15.200 -> 22:17.520] I want to do something again.
[22:17.520 -> 22:20.960] I said, I am naturally just an active outdoors person.
[22:20.960 -> 22:29.200] So yeah, I just started doing a bit of training if I felt like it And then I started to just enjoy it and get back to the swing of it. And then
[22:29.200 -> 22:33.340] obviously coming back on the simulator. And then I was told I was going to do the test
[22:33.340 -> 22:39.280] in July. So, okay, I got to get my neck harness back out and start making sure my neck doesn't
[22:39.280 -> 22:44.200] fall off. So, yeah, I just built it up, but it was always just like on my terms, which
[22:44.200 -> 22:45.820] still felt really nice.
[22:45.820 -> 22:49.220] And I was waking up in the morning and I was like, I want to train today.
[22:49.220 -> 22:50.220] So it was coming from me.
[22:50.220 -> 22:55.720] And I think that was a big part of getting back on the grid is I want it to be something
[22:55.720 -> 22:59.020] that's internally screaming at me.
[22:59.020 -> 23:04.900] And that goes from the training, all this, the motivation side of things.
[23:04.900 -> 23:08.920] I was like, if someone's telling me to do it, I'm not getting the answer.
[23:08.920 -> 23:11.000] So that's what happened naturally.
[23:11.000 -> 23:12.560] And here we are.
[23:12.560 -> 23:13.760] So I'm training again.
[23:13.760 -> 23:17.000] I feel pretty good.
[23:17.000 -> 23:21.400] But I drove a car yesterday.
[23:21.400 -> 23:22.600] Can we talk about that?
[23:22.600 -> 23:26.880] And yeah, like, you know, you can train as much as you want.
[23:26.880 -> 23:30.480] It'll help, but nothing can prepare you for an F1 car.
[23:30.480 -> 23:36.680] Like in terms of there's nothing we can do that gives us, you know, 5Gs multiple times
[23:36.680 -> 23:37.680] a lap.
[23:37.680 -> 23:41.240] So yeah, I am pretty stiff today.
[23:41.240 -> 23:42.920] I feel like I can move my neck.
[23:42.920 -> 23:44.880] I'm not, I'm not like this yet.
[23:44.880 -> 23:46.760] So we do have to mention for those listening
[23:46.760 -> 23:47.640] and for those watching,
[23:47.640 -> 23:49.040] the day that we're recording this,
[23:49.040 -> 23:50.720] yesterday you were at Silverstone,
[23:50.720 -> 23:52.560] you were doing the Pirelli tire test.
[23:52.560 -> 23:54.040] And yeah, you got back on the track,
[23:54.040 -> 23:56.080] back in a race car for the first time in a while.
[23:56.080 -> 23:58.320] So I'm not surprised that your body is sore.
[23:58.320 -> 24:02.600] And also today is the day after a very big announcement
[24:02.600 -> 24:05.920] yesterday that you are going back on the grid.
[24:05.920 -> 24:07.120] How do you feel?
[24:08.500 -> 24:09.340] Ready?
[24:09.340 -> 24:10.580] Physically or?
[24:10.580 -> 24:11.620] All of the things.
[24:12.680 -> 24:16.600] Yeah, look, it's been like slowly brewing this year,
[24:16.600 -> 24:20.160] you know, my desire to get back on the grid.
[24:20.160 -> 24:22.440] And as I said, like all these things, you know,
[24:22.440 -> 24:25.120] that internal kind of motivation has come back.
[24:25.120 -> 24:29.600] And I think the sim, you know, doing well on that was already a bit of a spark.
[24:29.600 -> 24:32.160] And I was definitely getting the feeling back.
[24:32.160 -> 24:38.880] So I think getting in the car was kind of the last box I needed to tick to make sure that,
[24:39.600 -> 24:43.440] yeah, I not only could still do it, but still enjoyed doing it.
[24:46.760 -> 24:47.280] And I had a blast yesterday.
[24:51.200 -> 24:52.680] Um, I felt like I got up to speed relatively quickly and everything. I really wanted to get out of the test.
[24:52.680 -> 24:53.120] I did.
[24:53.640 -> 24:59.240] So, um, yeah, then it was like, all right, mate, well, you're going to race in less
[24:59.240 -> 25:00.920] than two weeks time and AlphaTauri.
[25:00.920 -> 25:04.520] So that's, that stuff's also excites me.
[25:04.520 -> 25:07.500] Like that's just, that's Red Bull, you know, that's how they operate.
[25:07.520 -> 25:12.480] It reminds me of how it was, you know, back when I was a junior driver and, you
[25:12.480 -> 25:17.260] know, you, my first ever F1 race, you know, I got a call from Helmut a week before
[25:17.260 -> 25:17.820] the race.
[25:18.400 -> 25:21.360] And even that I wasn't expecting it to be with HRT.
[25:21.360 -> 25:22.520] Like it was all just so.
[25:23.540 -> 25:24.480] That's just how it is.
[25:24.480 -> 25:29.480] And it certainly makes you feel game and ready and alive.
[25:29.480 -> 25:31.240] So yeah, pretty stoked.
[25:31.240 -> 25:33.140] One thing I noticed from yesterday was,
[25:34.320 -> 25:35.640] is this positive or negative?
[25:35.640 -> 25:36.480] This is a positive one.
[25:36.480 -> 25:37.600] Okay, I'll listen.
[25:37.600 -> 25:40.520] It was, you couldn't really tell
[25:40.520 -> 25:43.160] that he hadn't been in a car for eight months.
[25:43.160 -> 25:44.000] Wow.
[25:44.000 -> 25:46.480] The first run, maybe on the installation lap,
[25:46.480 -> 25:50.160] you were reminded how quick the cars were.
[25:50.160 -> 25:52.700] But after that, it was within a few laps,
[25:52.700 -> 25:57.700] it was just like, well, it's like you'd driven a car
[25:57.840 -> 25:59.860] last week, not last year.
[26:00.960 -> 26:02.980] That was quite, I don't know if you were surprised
[26:02.980 -> 26:07.280] about that, but I was quietly, quietly impressed about
[26:07.280 -> 26:08.280] that.
[26:08.280 -> 26:13.200] Well, here's the thing, you're going to be driving for Alfa Tauri, which means Simon,
[26:13.200 -> 26:15.200] you're not going to be his race engineer.
[26:15.200 -> 26:21.600] So do you have any advice for Daniel's next race engineer on how to deal with him?
[26:21.600 -> 26:26.320] I might hide Simon in my suitcase and bring him just to observe.
[26:26.320 -> 26:31.680] There's nothing too nuanced really or that sensitive you need to do working with Daniel.
[26:31.680 -> 26:32.680] It's pretty straightforward.
[26:32.680 -> 26:33.680] Oh, there you go.
[26:33.680 -> 26:34.680] Straightforward guy.
[26:34.680 -> 26:40.480] I like to think what I've learned as well the last few years and working in different
[26:40.480 -> 26:49.680] environments and being away from it for the first six months this year and just seeing a little bit more from a different lens, I feel like I can also take that like
[26:49.680 -> 26:57.840] knowledge now into back into a race seat and yeah, I think I've just got more awareness which will
[26:58.480 -> 27:03.200] be good. So here on Talking Ball we have a thing called 100 objects, so every guest that we have
[27:03.200 -> 27:06.560] come in will bring in an object or something that means something
[27:06.560 -> 27:09.040] to them throughout their time at Red Bull.
[27:09.040 -> 27:10.960] And I have noticed we've had this whole conversation
[27:10.960 -> 27:14.080] while there's been a trophy sat on the table in front of me.
[27:14.080 -> 27:16.640] So I'm assuming this is the trophy you've brought in
[27:17.440 -> 27:19.440] that means something to the both of you.
[27:19.440 -> 27:20.480] Am I right?
[27:20.480 -> 27:22.800] Simon brought in the trophy, I brought in a Red Bull.
[27:22.800 -> 27:23.600] Oh yeah, nice.
[27:23.600 -> 27:26.800] I haven't had free Red Bull in a few years, so.
[27:26.800 -> 27:29.400] There's a fridge in every room here at the Vag Team.
[27:29.400 -> 27:30.400] It's awesome.
[27:30.400 -> 27:32.760] So much Red Bull, it's crazy.
[27:32.760 -> 27:36.200] Talk us about the emotions and everything behind the trophy.
[27:36.200 -> 27:43.360] This was a pretty good day in our time together.
[27:43.360 -> 27:46.500] It reminds me a little bit of the bad day
[27:46.500 -> 27:48.680] that we'd had two years previously,
[27:48.680 -> 27:53.620] where we were on pole position, leading the race,
[27:53.620 -> 27:58.220] and then we managed to not quite deliver
[27:58.220 -> 27:59.200] and win the race in the end.
[27:59.200 -> 28:02.020] So that was a sad day, finishing second.
[28:03.080 -> 28:06.240] And you don't get, it's really hard to win a race.
[28:06.800 -> 28:08.000] That is very hard.
[28:08.120 -> 28:12.000] We are obviously winning a few at the moment, but so many things have
[28:12.000 -> 28:13.800] to go right to be able to win a race.
[28:14.520 -> 28:19.460] And I think that time in 2016 was a good indication that if just one thing goes
[28:19.460 -> 28:24.040] wrong, then it's gone because everyone else is very good and everyone else is
[28:24.040 -> 28:27.840] trying really hard to win a race and you have to do everything perfectly to win a race.
[28:28.840 -> 28:32.400] This year, 2018 was going very well.
[28:33.680 -> 28:40.120] Through practice sessions and qualifying, we were quick, stuck it on pole again,
[28:40.160 -> 28:42.760] which was good, which is a hard thing to do in Monaco.
[28:43.680 -> 28:46.000] Then the start of the race was going really well.
[28:46.000 -> 28:48.600] We were looking after our tyres.
[28:48.600 -> 28:56.600] We had learnt from the past and had decided that we were going to wait to pit from the lead
[28:56.600 -> 29:03.200] when we wanted to, to cover the people rather than being proactive, which was good.
[29:03.200 -> 29:07.560] And then, I think it was lap 28 of the race.
[29:07.560 -> 29:08.380] It was.
[29:08.380 -> 29:09.920] Daniel came on the radio and said,
[29:11.200 -> 29:12.880] I've got a bit of a problem.
[29:12.880 -> 29:16.040] And we'd basically broken,
[29:16.040 -> 29:17.740] oh, we had a problem with the MGK,
[29:18.860 -> 29:21.440] which is a significant loss of power
[29:22.300 -> 29:23.920] that you get from the engine.
[29:24.880 -> 29:26.880] But more than that is normally if
[29:26.880 -> 29:31.680] something is broken it normally is going to drag something else on the car down
[29:31.680 -> 29:36.840] with it and I was fully expecting within a lap or two that the whole car was
[29:36.840 -> 29:41.040] going to grind to a stop because there was bits of metal going around in the
[29:41.040 -> 29:43.440] oil and things like that and it's that's obviously not very good.
[29:43.440 -> 29:46.080] This is where it helps being naive.
[29:46.080 -> 29:46.920] Oh, okay.
[29:48.240 -> 29:49.880] I was like, oh, this is a problem,
[29:49.880 -> 29:51.840] but I wasn't like, I didn't know
[29:51.840 -> 29:54.080] it could have been this bigger problem as that.
[29:54.080 -> 29:58.040] So, sometimes ignorance is bliss.
[29:58.040 -> 29:59.280] I don't think there was any panic.
[29:59.280 -> 30:01.640] It was more of a, all right,
[30:01.640 -> 30:04.880] it was just a realisation that, oh, well, this one,
[30:04.880 -> 30:07.520] but we're going to just retire from winning this race,
[30:07.520 -> 30:14.360] from leaving this race. I think it took you a little bit of time to, I mean, you were
[30:14.360 -> 30:23.040] driving well at the time, but when you lose 160 horsepower from your engine, it's quite
[30:23.040 -> 30:25.920] difficult to keep anyone else behind you and you had
[30:26.840 -> 30:29.040] Vettel not very far behind and
[30:30.960 -> 30:38.040] Over the next couple of laps, there's lots of discussions in the on the engineering channels about how we're gonna what we're gonna do to
[30:39.600 -> 30:44.520] Try and get through this and mitigate against it because when the MG UK stops working
[30:44.920 -> 30:45.360] It means the rear brakes have to do a lot more work and they get quite this and mitigate against it. Because when the MG UK stops working,
[30:45.360 -> 30:47.400] it means the rear brakes have to do a lot more work
[30:47.400 -> 30:48.440] and they get quite hot.
[30:48.440 -> 30:51.400] And normally, again, that could also be a reason
[30:51.400 -> 30:52.240] why you don't finish a race,
[30:52.240 -> 30:54.520] because the rear brakes cook.
[30:54.520 -> 30:57.360] And we managed to do a few switch changes
[30:57.360 -> 30:59.240] quite quickly within a lap or so.
[30:59.240 -> 31:02.120] And then after that, I was almost waiting
[31:02.120 -> 31:04.360] to just wait for Daniel to come on the radio saying,
[31:04.360 -> 31:05.880] oh, well, there's car stopped.
[31:07.320 -> 31:11.160] But I think that because the brake bounce is quite strange and you were down on
[31:11.160 -> 31:16.320] power, you had to adapt to drive quite differently in those next two or three or
[31:16.320 -> 31:16.920] four laps.
[31:17.800 -> 31:20.520] And then Vettel saw I had a problem.
[31:20.540 -> 31:22.600] So he was like in attack mode.
[31:22.600 -> 31:24.760] So I was dealing with that.
[31:24.760 -> 31:28.240] And then having all of a sudden a lot of pressure from
[31:28.240 -> 31:29.760] Vettel trying to capitalise.
[31:30.560 -> 31:34.800] But then and then the longer it went on, you know, Vettel caught up quickly and it was all
[31:34.800 -> 31:38.400] over him. And we were just waiting for the moment that he would overtake.
[31:38.800 -> 31:40.520] After one lap, you think, oh, we got away with it.
[31:40.520 -> 31:41.800] Two laps, we got away with it.
[31:41.800 -> 31:45.360] And then the longer it went on, we started to,
[31:45.360 -> 31:48.480] and nothing broke on the car, we started to think,
[31:48.480 -> 31:52.240] well, okay, maybe we might finish.
[31:52.240 -> 31:54.960] That was my first thing, or maybe we'll finish the race.
[31:54.960 -> 31:57.400] Didn't necessarily think you'd be able to hang on
[31:57.400 -> 32:01.760] until the chequered flag, but you did.
[32:01.760 -> 32:04.360] And the car ran reasonably well, I think,
[32:04.360 -> 32:07.400] because you had to sprint really hard
[32:07.400 -> 32:11.040] in the corners because you knew you were going to be vulnerable on the straights.
[32:11.040 -> 32:15.140] The fact that we had a good car, I think, helped out quite a lot because you were able
[32:15.140 -> 32:20.700] to make time through 5, 6, 7, 8, and then Vettel was normally all over you by the time
[32:20.700 -> 32:29.080] you got to the swim uh, the swimming pool, she turned 10. That last 50 laps after the, after we had the problem was just most of the
[32:29.080 -> 32:31.080] time was spent expecting us to fail.
[32:32.440 -> 32:37.940] And there was a quite a lot of relief and probably disbelief actually, when
[32:37.940 -> 32:42.080] we actually crossed the, cross the line at the end of the race and he'd won.
[32:42.080 -> 32:50.160] It was a little bit of a, I think everyone who'd just been so pent up with emotions and you know all the engineers are very calm and talking about
[32:50.160 -> 32:54.000] the problems and things like that but everybody's feeling it a little bit that there's a little bit
[32:54.000 -> 33:00.960] of a release when we won in the end. Yeah I think like and I'm sure like we were all thinking like
[33:00.960 -> 33:06.080] not again you know like another opportunity to win Monaco and Monaco is special.
[33:06.080 -> 33:08.040] It doesn't pay any more points,
[33:08.040 -> 33:10.080] but it's just special.
[33:10.080 -> 33:13.560] It's like the Indy 500.
[33:13.560 -> 33:17.180] My understanding is it's still part of the calendar.
[33:17.180 -> 33:19.080] There's no more points to be handed out,
[33:19.080 -> 33:21.100] but it is just significant,
[33:21.100 -> 33:24.560] and winning it is something that you keep forever.
[33:24.560 -> 33:29.480] I think that was just the thought, like, not again, like
[33:29.480 -> 33:31.320] what's, what's happening?
[33:31.320 -> 33:33.280] Like, why is someone trying to take this from us?
[33:33.280 -> 33:37.480] And, and then also then my concern was defending Vettel.
[33:37.920 -> 33:40.200] And then as Simon mentioned, I had to corner faster.
[33:40.640 -> 33:44.080] So all of a sudden now, like the whole race had been managing my tyres and being
[33:44.080 -> 33:48.640] smart. Now I've got to push on these tires for the next 50 laps.
[33:48.640 -> 33:52.840] So then I was like, well, these tires are going to die at some point if I drive like this.
[33:52.840 -> 33:58.680] So yeah, there was certainly a lot of doubt from many angles.
[33:58.680 -> 34:05.520] So when we did cross the line, it was just like, yeah, it was a bit surreal.
[34:05.520 -> 34:05.760] Yeah.
[34:05.760 -> 34:09.920] Winning Monaco is surreal in itself, but after, like people say,
[34:09.920 -> 34:11.600] was that your favorite race of your career?
[34:11.600 -> 34:14.560] I'm like, the outcome was, but I hated the race.
[34:14.560 -> 34:15.760] The race was not good.
[34:15.760 -> 34:17.600] It was dark.
[34:18.560 -> 34:20.320] I mean, you earned that win.
[34:20.320 -> 34:21.280] You earned it.
[34:21.280 -> 34:22.320] Absolutely.
[34:22.320 -> 34:22.640] Yeah.
[34:22.640 -> 34:25.600] And look, that's where everyone obviously gives me the
[34:25.600 -> 34:34.720] credit for the win, but that's where the team was like, they also won it. And I'm not just saying,
[34:34.720 -> 34:39.840] oh yeah, it takes a team, but as you mentioned, like doing the brake balance, like changing,
[34:39.840 -> 34:46.000] like giving me all these instructions to make sure that the rear brakes didn't catch on fire and all these things.
[34:46.000 -> 34:47.840] Cause at the time I knew I had a problem,
[34:47.840 -> 34:51.400] but I honestly didn't, I suspected what it was,
[34:51.400 -> 34:53.520] but I didn't really know what the problem was.
[34:53.520 -> 34:55.840] And, you know, so I was relying a lot on them
[34:55.840 -> 34:57.440] to give me this information.
[34:57.440 -> 35:01.000] So it was also their, let's say fast thinking,
[35:01.000 -> 35:02.600] which helped us get to the line.
[35:03.560 -> 35:07.520] What I'm finding really interesting throughout this whole entire chat is how completely different
[35:07.520 -> 35:08.520] the two of you are.
[35:08.520 -> 35:13.080] You're so different, but obviously it seems to just completely work while you're working
[35:13.080 -> 35:14.080] together.
[35:14.080 -> 35:18.600] I don't know, I guess, I guess from an outsider looking in, you would just assume that you
[35:18.600 -> 35:22.600] were just going to end up being completely the same personality, but you're really not
[35:22.600 -> 35:29.320] at all, but you're really not. So why are you? There's still a video, sorry, in Germany, 2014,
[35:29.720 -> 35:33.920] where like, I think, anyway,
[35:33.920 -> 35:36.560] but it was like practice two,
[35:36.560 -> 35:38.480] and I'm about to get in the car or it's raining
[35:38.480 -> 35:39.960] and there's a bit of a delay,
[35:39.960 -> 35:41.440] and he's just standing there in the garage
[35:41.440 -> 35:44.160] and I'm like doing this silly dance in front of him.
[35:44.160 -> 35:48.500] And I think it's hilarious, because I laugh at myself for my own jokes all the time.
[35:48.500 -> 35:54.340] And he's just, he's just Simon just deadpan just staring at me like, get away from me.
[35:54.340 -> 35:55.620] And I just found it hilarious.
[35:55.620 -> 36:02.700] So I just, I was definitely drawn to his dryness and his ability to just not be amused.
[36:02.700 -> 36:06.880] I never up until you know, I was still pretty young when I was in 2014,
[36:06.880 -> 36:09.440] what was I? I don't know, 24, 25 years old.
[36:09.440 -> 36:12.320] I'd never really met someone like him,
[36:12.320 -> 36:14.280] so I also was fascinated.
[36:14.280 -> 36:17.440] I think that made me really warm to him as well.
[36:17.440 -> 36:19.840] I'm like, in all the right ways,
[36:19.840 -> 36:23.480] you're very different and it was great.
[36:23.480 -> 36:26.360] It makes the dream team.
[36:26.360 -> 36:27.840] It makes it like opposites attract.
[36:27.840 -> 36:28.840] It's perfect.
[36:28.840 -> 36:30.800] I think it's good to have a bit of variety.
[36:30.800 -> 36:33.200] If everybody was the same, then life would be boring, wouldn't it?
[36:33.200 -> 36:34.200] That's very true.
[36:34.200 -> 36:35.200] It's good to have a bit of variety.
[36:35.200 -> 36:36.200] That's very true.
[36:36.200 -> 36:40.120] Right, we do have a whole heap of questions that have come in from the Oracle Rebel Racing
[36:40.120 -> 36:41.120] Paddock.
[36:41.120 -> 36:43.200] So there's lots of fans that have got in touch with questions.
[36:43.200 -> 36:44.800] So we'll go with question number one.
[36:44.800 -> 36:45.000] Hi, I'm Nikki from the Netherlands and I have a question for Danny and Simon. So there's lots of fans that have got in touch with questions. So we'll go with question number one.
[36:45.000 -> 36:49.000] Hi, I'm Niki from the Netherlands and I have a question for Danny and Simon.
[36:49.000 -> 36:53.000] And it is, what is your favorite memory of working together at Red Bull?
[36:53.000 -> 36:57.000] What's your favorite memory? I mean, would it be Monaco 2018?
[36:57.000 -> 37:02.000] I think we should say something different because we've talked about that already.
[37:02.000 -> 37:07.040] I think mine would be Montreal 2014. Yeah. When you won your
[37:07.040 -> 37:13.360] first race. Yeah. And that was special for both of us because also it was, was it your first time on
[37:13.360 -> 37:19.200] the podium? Yep. I think that was where, you know, we'd had such a strong start to the year and that
[37:19.200 -> 37:25.600] was already becoming like a breakthrough year for me. And.
[37:29.680 -> 37:33.480] You know, in a way, we could do no wrong, like we were a points machine, we were just kind of yeah, we were gelling and clicking and making things happen,
[37:33.480 -> 37:35.800] but we hadn't yet won.
[37:35.800 -> 37:40.160] And I think we got to that point where we we both believed
[37:40.400 -> 37:44.520] we could do it, but you need to prove it and make it happen.
[37:44.520 -> 37:49.640] And that was yeah, I think doing that was like also a big relief for both of us.
[37:49.640 -> 37:52.800] Cause we're like, yeah, we can do it.
[37:53.520 -> 37:54.020] So.
[37:54.560 -> 37:55.720] It was quite a surreal day that.
[37:56.000 -> 37:56.500] Yeah.
[37:56.560 -> 37:57.320] Just in general.
[37:57.440 -> 38:00.080] Cause we, we weren't necessarily going to win the race on pace.
[38:00.760 -> 38:05.200] Um, but we were there to pick up the pieces when other people had problems.
[38:05.200 -> 38:10.800] But yeah, it was quite unexpected, I would say, at that moment, at that track.
[38:10.800 -> 38:13.960] And then to go on the podium as well, it was an amazing experience.
[38:13.960 -> 38:19.000] And ironically, the problems that Mercedes faced was the problem I had in Monaco, 2018.
[38:19.000 -> 38:21.640] Okay, we're going to question number two.
[38:21.640 -> 38:22.640] I've got Roxanne.
[38:22.640 -> 38:23.640] Hi, my name is Roxanne.
[38:23.640 -> 38:24.640] I'm from the Philippines.
[38:24.640 -> 38:26.000] My question is for both Daniel and Simon. For Daniel, what was the biggest challenge you faced in Monaco? Okay, we're going to question number two. I've got Roxanne. Hi, my name is Roxanne. I'm from the Philippines.
[38:26.000 -> 38:29.000] My question is for both Daniel and Simon.
[38:29.000 -> 38:33.000] For Daniel, what is the biggest challenge you face in your racing career
[38:33.000 -> 38:35.000] and how do you overcome it?
[38:35.000 -> 38:40.000] And for Simon, how do you stay up to date with the new technologies and techniques
[38:40.000 -> 38:47.160] and how would you think the future of racing technology looks like? Okay, so we'll come first to you, Daniel.
[38:47.160 -> 38:51.280] So, what was the biggest challenge that you faced in your career?
[38:51.280 -> 39:00.000] I think it was probably the last year or so, you know, going through the struggles and
[39:00.000 -> 39:09.500] the lows and you know, you become so used to having success or being just fast and getting lots
[39:09.500 -> 39:12.500] of pats on your back.
[39:12.500 -> 39:16.760] There's always moments of head scratching, but not a whole lot where there was a lot
[39:16.760 -> 39:19.620] of head scratching the last two months.
[39:19.620 -> 39:25.520] I think there was times where I would, yeah, for sure, let it get me a bit too low.
[39:26.520 -> 39:32.880] But I think then I really learned to adjust a little bit and yeah, just try to take some
[39:32.880 -> 39:33.880] learnings from those.
[39:34.080 -> 39:39.480] And I think that's where, you know, when you win, it's in a way it's easy and all you want
[39:39.480 -> 39:40.360] to do is celebrate.
[39:40.560 -> 39:42.400] You know, you don't want to do your homework when you win.
[39:42.400 -> 39:44.920] You want to go and enjoy the moment, which is totally fair enough.
[39:42.440 -> 39:43.680] You don't want to do your homework when you win. You want to go and enjoy the moment,
[39:43.680 -> 39:45.760] which is totally fair enough.
[39:45.760 -> 39:48.240] But it's when you don't,
[39:48.240 -> 39:50.600] they're the days that you can really learn the most from.
[39:50.600 -> 39:54.640] And I think not enjoying that feeling
[39:54.640 -> 39:57.800] made me really hungry to try and find a way to overcome it.
[39:57.800 -> 40:02.800] So yeah, I think that that was a challenging time for sure,
[40:02.800 -> 40:06.720] but I think it also made me learn a lot.
[40:06.720 -> 40:11.600] And Simon, how do you stay up to date with new technologies, she was asking?
[40:11.600 -> 40:20.280] Well I would say that within the job and industry within Formula One, because it is the pinnacle
[40:20.280 -> 40:29.600] of motorsport and the forefront of technology, let's say, and the rules are never the same. So quite often we see some upcoming rule changes
[40:30.360 -> 40:33.440] in terms of the power unit or something like that.
[40:33.440 -> 40:35.440] And in a way, we have to,
[40:35.440 -> 40:36.960] because there are gonna be some new technologies,
[40:36.960 -> 40:39.160] we all have to learn about how these are all gonna work.
[40:39.160 -> 40:43.300] So we almost get dragged or driven
[40:43.300 -> 40:44.640] because we want to be competitive
[40:44.640 -> 40:45.760] with those new reels
[40:45.760 -> 40:46.760] of technologies.
[40:46.760 -> 40:47.760] We have to understand it all.
[40:47.760 -> 40:52.840] So you're almost forced or it's part of the job to try and keep up to date with the new
[40:52.840 -> 40:57.440] technologies because in a year or two years or three years, we will have to be using them
[40:57.440 -> 41:10.720] and we need to be experts on. Yeah. So, yeah, if we didn't keep up to date with it, then we would lose a, lose an advantage.
[41:11.840 -> 41:14.880] You're taking the piss out of him because his voice has broken a couple of times.
[41:16.240 -> 41:17.720] It's not a new thing.
[41:18.680 -> 41:19.520] It's not a new thing.
[41:19.520 -> 41:25.360] That was another thing that like broke the ice for us when we first started working together was he would have a lot of these,
[41:25.360 -> 41:27.200] huh, moments,
[41:27.200 -> 41:29.360] and I would just keep taking the piss out of him.
[41:29.360 -> 41:30.680] But you like to call him Stezza.
[41:30.680 -> 41:32.360] Yeah, Stezza.
[41:32.360 -> 41:33.400] That was the Aussie term.
[41:33.400 -> 41:34.680] I was gonna say, is that an Aussie saying?
[41:34.680 -> 41:35.520] Yeah.
[41:35.520 -> 41:37.920] What's it derived from?
[41:37.920 -> 41:38.760] A Stezza.
[41:38.760 -> 41:39.600] A Stezza.
[41:39.600 -> 41:42.200] When your voice, huh, when it like breaks.
[41:42.200 -> 41:43.840] I don't know, at school, like, yeah.
[41:43.840 -> 41:45.040] Well, get someone to google it.
[41:45.040 -> 41:49.120] When everyone's voice was breaking it would be like oh you're stesered.
[41:49.120 -> 41:53.600] Question number three. Hi Danny, hi Simon, my name is Paripra, I'm from Derby in the UK.
[41:54.720 -> 41:59.120] My question was obviously it takes a lot of mental energy and focus to when you're driving the car,
[41:59.680 -> 42:09.400] how do you manage your emotions when let's say you need to retire the car or for example you have a bad pit stop that messes up your strategy, how do you find
[42:09.400 -> 42:15.200] the focus then just concentrate on driving again? And Simon I guess how do
[42:15.200 -> 42:18.680] you manage that from the engineers point of view because you know you've got an
[42:18.680 -> 42:26.680] annoyed driver in the car and you just need to keep them calm, I guess. Thank you. That's a good question. Very good.
[42:30.280 -> 42:34.200] You know, it's, emotions are real. Like sometimes you can't help, but you know,
[42:34.200 -> 42:36.400] you want to let things slide or quickly move on.
[42:36.400 -> 42:40.440] But yeah, I think it's always,
[42:40.440 -> 42:42.440] you've always kind of got to think ahead
[42:42.440 -> 42:43.880] and like big picture.
[42:43.880 -> 42:51.080] It's like, okay, if I complain and lose concentration for the next two laps, that's two laps that
[42:51.080 -> 42:52.120] I'm not going to get back.
[42:52.120 -> 42:55.480] You know, if I lose a second over the next two laps, now it's a second more I've got
[42:55.480 -> 42:56.720] to work for the rest of the race.
[42:56.720 -> 43:00.320] So I think you, and again, it comes with experience.
[43:00.320 -> 43:05.000] I know that as Simon touched on earlier, to win a race, so many things have to go right.
[43:05.000 -> 43:09.500] So I know there's always possibility for things to go wrong.
[43:09.500 -> 43:17.500] So I think you just have to, in a way, already accept that and know that maybe today things aren't going to go well,
[43:17.500 -> 43:21.500] but we're going to keep moving forward, keep moving forward and kind of eyes on the prize.
[43:21.500 -> 43:25.240] So yeah, that's kind of the mindset.
[43:25.240 -> 43:29.120] And I think it'll return, you know, if, if we have a bit of bad luck this
[43:29.120 -> 43:31.720] weekend, then maybe things will swing our way next weekend.
[43:31.720 -> 43:34.000] So you just kind of got to keep, keep pushing forward.
[43:34.280 -> 43:38.700] That bad luck might change within that race and it might go wrong for someone else.
[43:38.700 -> 43:44.680] And if you've allowed a problem that we might have to affect your performance,
[43:45.180 -> 43:47.860] then you might not be there to capitalize on somebody else that has a problem that we might have to affect your performance, then you might not be there to capitalize on somebody else
[43:47.860 -> 43:48.780] that has a problem.
[43:51.460 -> 43:53.540] Things can change, if they change that quickly for you,
[43:53.540 -> 43:54.660] they can also change really quickly
[43:54.660 -> 43:56.440] for somebody else as well.
[43:56.440 -> 43:57.620] Yeah.
[43:57.620 -> 43:58.980] In terms of working with the driver
[43:58.980 -> 44:02.860] and get them to try and stay focused,
[44:02.860 -> 44:07.600] I would say from my wife would tell me
[44:07.600 -> 44:11.560] that telling somebody to calm down is not the best approach.
[44:11.600 -> 44:12.000] No.
[44:12.120 -> 44:12.440] Yeah.
[44:13.480 -> 44:14.360] I am calm.
[44:16.440 -> 44:21.200] So, uh, I think sometimes it depends on who the driver is, but when you're
[44:21.200 -> 44:24.800] working so closely with someone, they are, you're really close to them.
[44:24.800 -> 44:26.000] You understand them really well.
[44:26.000 -> 44:34.200] So you understand when to talk them down or to talk them up and to how to, let's
[44:34.200 -> 44:39.200] say, try and help guide their emotions a little bit, and that can be different
[44:39.200 -> 44:40.520] with lots of different drivers.
[44:40.520 -> 44:43.040] Some of them need calming down, some of them need picking up.
[44:43.680 -> 44:50.320] Um, I would say Daniel probably would, I was always aware that he might get a bit
[44:50.320 -> 44:54.120] excited in that moment, but it's not going to last for very long.
[44:54.200 -> 44:58.120] And sometimes it's good to just let them fester and think about it and deal with
[44:58.120 -> 44:58.720] themselves.
[44:59.560 -> 45:05.080] Sometimes it might need a bit more positive reinforcement that it's going to be okay,
[45:05.080 -> 45:08.120] but I know, and we need to think longer term
[45:08.120 -> 45:08.960] and things like that,
[45:08.960 -> 45:13.040] but I think it's really important to be realistic
[45:13.040 -> 45:17.360] and believable because you can start saying,
[45:17.360 -> 45:20.640] oh, well, you know, we're going to catch up anyway
[45:20.640 -> 45:23.240] by the end of the race, even though you,
[45:23.240 -> 45:24.320] and if you don't do it,
[45:24.320 -> 45:27.480] then you sort of lose a bit of credibility that you have with the driver.
[45:27.480 -> 45:30.400] And the most important thing between the driver and the engineer is
[45:30.400 -> 45:32.060] about having trust both ways.
[45:32.560 -> 45:38.040] And if you tell them a story that makes them feel better in that moment, but
[45:39.360 -> 45:42.560] within the next half an hour, they realize that it's never going to happen.
[45:43.000 -> 45:45.200] Then you sort of, you lose a bit of
[45:45.200 -> 45:50.640] credibility so I think you need to have trust and respect both ways that you are not going to tell
[45:50.640 -> 45:55.600] them a story that is going to turn out to be false and it was a false hope. So sometimes you just have
[45:55.600 -> 46:01.120] to take the fact that okay that bad thing's happened we're sorry about that but you just
[46:01.120 -> 46:06.080] got to get on with it because it is going to, it might be that that has ruined the race.
[46:06.760 -> 46:09.560] You can't always say, oh, well, you know, you might win at the end of
[46:09.560 -> 46:10.480] the race or anything like that.
[46:12.080 -> 46:13.440] We've got loads more questions here.
[46:13.440 -> 46:17.600] This is from Harry in the USA who says, uh, Danny, how has being away from the F1
[46:17.600 -> 46:21.200] grid helped you recharge and renew your desire to get back on the grid?
[46:21.720 -> 46:26.360] It's two, two things I would say is one is just less travel.
[46:26.360 -> 46:33.160] So I've been able to just reset by not being on a plane every three days.
[46:33.160 -> 46:38.520] So I've just kind of had caught up on sleep.
[46:38.520 -> 46:40.040] We live a jet lag life.
[46:40.040 -> 46:45.000] So that's one thing which just kind of my overall well-being,
[46:45.160 -> 46:47.040] I think I've just been able to reset
[46:47.040 -> 46:48.440] and recharge a bit through that.
[46:48.440 -> 46:50.280] This is from Kay in the UK, he says,
[46:50.280 -> 46:52.920] why are you called the Honey Badger?
[46:52.920 -> 46:57.880] So it started with, it was during 2013
[46:57.880 -> 46:59.880] when I think I got the call up from Red Bull
[46:59.880 -> 47:01.960] that I'll be in that car in 2014.
[47:01.960 -> 47:06.400] And it was my trainer, Stuart, at the time.
[47:06.600 -> 47:11.360] We were, he knew me really well, like as a trainer, you know, as someone who travels
[47:11.360 -> 47:12.640] with you and you see them all the time.
[47:12.640 -> 47:17.600] And he knew that next, like, so that next year was an opportunity for me to really step
[47:17.600 -> 47:18.840] up. And it was my big chance.
[47:18.840 -> 47:25.760] And he saw one of those viral videos on the Honey Badger and he showed me and we had a laugh
[47:25.760 -> 47:32.400] and he goes, I think there's something in this with you and everyone kind of sees the
[47:32.400 -> 47:37.320] kind of, call it cute and cuddly side, if you will.
[47:37.320 -> 47:43.160] But when he's backed up against the wall, when something to fight for, it comes out
[47:43.160 -> 47:46.240] and he goes, I've seen that dog in you, so to speak,
[47:46.240 -> 47:48.000] or I've seen that honey badger in you.
[47:49.360 -> 47:50.800] So it was kind of like,
[47:50.800 -> 47:53.040] I think this should be kind of like your spirit animal
[47:53.040 -> 47:54.640] and I think it will resonate well with you.
[47:54.640 -> 47:56.160] And that was kind of the,
[47:56.160 -> 47:58.680] a little bit of the mantra going into the 2014 season
[47:58.680 -> 48:00.120] was like, be the honey badger
[48:00.120 -> 48:02.760] and I'll show people that I can be aggressive on track.
[48:02.760 -> 48:04.200] And because the perception was,
[48:04.200 -> 48:07.480] I think that I was fast and I would probably qualify well,
[48:07.480 -> 48:09.880] but probably wasn't going to race well.
[48:09.880 -> 48:11.920] And we turned that on its head pretty quickly.
[48:11.920 -> 48:13.320] So that's where it came from.
[48:13.320 -> 48:14.320] Very nice.
[48:14.320 -> 48:17.960] Okay, so finally, we have the HP Poly Challenge.
[48:17.960 -> 48:22.440] So they're our partners with this podcast, and they are the leaders in voice and video,
[48:22.440 -> 48:23.960] and they have sent us some audio.
[48:23.960 -> 48:25.880] Now, this is a challenge that we've done
[48:25.880 -> 48:29.040] with many of our guests, and no pressure,
[48:29.040 -> 48:31.400] but when we had Hannah Schmitz, Anna Groom,
[48:31.400 -> 48:32.960] and Roseanne Elvin, when they were on,
[48:32.960 -> 48:34.840] they got four out of four.
[48:34.840 -> 48:36.920] And then when we had Ben Waterhouse and Craig Skinner,
[48:36.920 -> 48:38.000] they got two out of four.
[48:38.000 -> 48:41.200] So it's gonna be a montage of voices,
[48:41.200 -> 48:43.640] of people familiar, people that you've worked with
[48:43.640 -> 48:44.520] here at Red Bull.
[48:44.520 -> 48:45.080] I need you to
[48:45.080 -> 48:50.240] tell me who those four voices are and it's going to be played out of the PolySync 20.
[48:50.240 -> 48:53.200] Are you ready? Here we go.
[48:53.200 -> 48:54.200] Quite small.
[48:54.200 -> 48:55.200] It's the very first time for me.
[48:55.200 -> 48:56.200] In mixed conditions.
[48:56.200 -> 48:57.720] The expectations are fairly low.
[48:57.720 -> 48:59.080] I got three out of those four.
[48:59.080 -> 49:01.800] I got three. Could we do it again? I was not prepared for...
[49:01.800 -> 49:06.000] I mean, no pressure, but Hannah Schmitz didn't need to hear it a second time. She just absolutely nailed it on the first go.
[49:06.000 -> 49:07.000] I didn't get the second one.
[49:07.000 -> 49:09.000] I didn't, I wasn't listening for the second one.
[49:09.000 -> 49:11.000] I was so excited that I knew the first one.
[49:11.000 -> 49:13.000] Alright, Simon needs to hear it again, play it again.
[49:13.000 -> 49:14.000] A quite small...
[49:14.000 -> 49:15.000] It was the very first time for me.
[49:15.000 -> 49:16.000] In mixed conditions.
[49:16.000 -> 49:18.000] Expectations are fairly low.
[49:18.000 -> 49:19.000] Alright, well first one is...
[49:19.000 -> 49:20.000] You look pretty confident.
[49:20.000 -> 49:21.000] First one's Adrian.
[49:21.000 -> 49:22.000] Let's go one for one.
[49:22.000 -> 49:23.000] Adrian's the first one.
[49:23.000 -> 49:24.000] Kvyat.
[49:27.000 -> 49:29.040] The last one was Mr Vettel.
[49:29.040 -> 49:30.960] Okay, then the third was Helmut.
[49:30.960 -> 49:33.720] Okay, so we're going for the first voice, Adrian Newey.
[49:33.720 -> 49:34.080] Yeah.
[49:34.080 -> 49:34.960] Second voice.
[49:34.960 -> 49:35.960] Danny Kvyat.
[49:35.960 -> 49:36.760] Third voice.
[49:36.760 -> 49:37.600] Helmut Marko.
[49:37.600 -> 49:38.600] Fourth voice.
[49:40.000 -> 49:41.320] Sebastian Vettel.
[49:41.320 -> 49:42.680] Is absolutely correct.
[49:42.680 -> 49:46.160] We do have a clip to confirm that it is definitely them.
[49:47.040 -> 49:48.320] Quite small. It was the very first time for me.
[49:48.320 -> 49:49.520] In mixed conditions.
[49:49.520 -> 49:50.800] Expectations are fairly low.
[49:51.680 -> 49:56.160] Four out of four. Four out of four. Congratulations. Although I do have to say the girls probably did
[49:56.160 -> 49:58.160] a little bit better because they only heard it once.
[49:58.160 -> 50:01.040] So if we're going for once, then we got three out of four.
[50:01.040 -> 50:01.200] Okay.
[50:01.200 -> 50:02.480] It was a civet we missed.
[50:02.480 -> 50:05.960] Yeah, fair enough. I want to say a massive, massive thank you
[50:05.960 -> 50:07.640] for joining us here on Talking Board.
[50:07.640 -> 50:09.880] It's been really brilliant talking to you.
[50:09.880 -> 50:12.200] Daniel, good luck with the rest of the season.
[50:12.200 -> 50:13.040] Go and smash it.
[50:13.040 -> 50:14.360] I want to see some shoeys, please.
[50:14.360 -> 50:16.800] Yeah, that would be good.
[50:16.800 -> 50:19.080] Simon, have you ever done a shoey?
[50:19.080 -> 50:20.400] Surely you have.
[50:20.400 -> 50:21.800] I probably have.
[50:23.320 -> 50:24.600] You know what, I don't remember,
[50:24.600 -> 50:26.200] but I feel like you would have. You must have done. I probably have once when know what, I don't remember, but I feel like you would have.
[50:26.200 -> 50:27.040] You must have done.
[50:27.040 -> 50:28.880] I probably have once when you've won a race somewhere
[50:28.880 -> 50:31.740] and you've brought a champagne back to the garage.
[50:31.740 -> 50:32.580] I think I probably would have.
[50:32.580 -> 50:35.400] Because you said earlier you went up on the podium together.
[50:35.400 -> 50:36.240] What was that, 2014?
[50:36.240 -> 50:37.080] Yeah, but that was before Shuey.
[50:37.080 -> 50:37.920] That was before Shuey's birthday.
[50:37.920 -> 50:40.080] Yeah, ah, pre-Shuey.
[50:40.080 -> 50:41.360] So you're due a Shuey.
[50:41.360 -> 50:42.600] I think I've done one.
[50:42.600 -> 50:46.960] It's probably not, there's no record of it, but... Was it just in a random pub somewhere?
[50:47.680 -> 50:49.360] I reckon it was back in the garage.
[50:49.360 -> 50:53.040] When I'd bring maybe the champagne back, I reckon we would have done one.
[50:53.040 -> 50:53.840] Oh, there we go.
[50:53.840 -> 50:55.840] Okay, well, thank you so much for joining me.
[50:55.840 -> 50:57.040] But we should do one again.
[50:58.800 -> 50:59.760] If you know what I'm saying.
[51:01.600 -> 51:02.240] I mean...
[51:02.240 -> 51:02.640] Not now.
[51:02.640 -> 51:03.120] Not now.
[51:03.840 -> 51:06.960] I mean, the red ball, yeah, it might stay in the inshallah your shoes, whereas the champagne's
[51:06.960 -> 51:11.120] a bit... Thank you so much for joining us and join us next time on Talking Bull.