Is Sergio Perez deserving of the number two seat? | Was Lando Norris’ behaviour ‘unsportsmanlike’?

Matt Baker is joined this week by Ted Kravitz and Claire Cottingham to discuss a weekend of records for Red Bull as they reach 100 wins in F1, (15’30) Sergio Perez’s performance thus far and his support as Red Bull’s number two driver to reigning World Champion Max Verstappen and (34’40) a trip down memory lane to Kravitz meeting Christian Horner before claiming his Red Bull team principal title.

(43’00) The panel also discuss Lando Norris’ behaviour after he was handed a five-second penalty in Montreal for ‘unsportsmanlike behaviour’ and (50’00) the news of W Series entering administration after failing funding to continue.

**Race Review**

- Claire Cottingham: Promising
- Matthew Baker: Quality
- Ted Kravitz: Records


**One Word Review Discussion**

- Ted highlights the significance of Red Bull's 100 wins, Max Verstappen's 41 wins equaling Ayrton Senna's tally, and Adrian Newey's 200 wins as chief technical officer.
- They discuss the validity of comparing drivers from different eras, acknowledging the changes in reliability and safety standards.
- Matthew emphasizes the quality of the podium finishers, particularly the presence of Fernando Alonso, Lewis Hamilton, and Max Verstappen.


**Podium Discussion**

- Ted expresses his excitement at seeing Adrian Newey on the podium, spanning generations of Formula One history.
- They note the rarity of having Lewis Hamilton, Fernando Alonso, and Max Verstappen on the same podium, highlighting the potential for a captivating championship battle.
- The question of whether these drivers could ever compete in equal machinery is raised, acknowledging the unlikelihood but expressing hope for a more competitive field in the future.


**Max Verstappen's Performance**

- Ted praises Max Verstappen's ability to navigate challenging conditions and maintain his lead throughout the race.
- They discuss Sergio Perez's struggles, attributing his poor qualifying performance to a lack of confidence and the changing weather conditions.
- Claire emphasizes the importance of Perez finding a track that will boost his confidence, recognizing the need for a strong second driver to support Max Verstappen's championship bid.


**Sergio Perez's Role as Second Driver**

- Ted suggests that Sergio Perez's current form is not causing major problems for Red Bull, as he is still fulfilling the role of a reliable second driver.
- However, they acknowledge the potential for issues if Perez's confidence and performance do not improve, highlighting the possibility of Red Bull seeking a replacement mid-season.
- The potential availability of Daniel Ricciardo and Alex Albon as replacements is mentioned, but the stability of Perez's contract until 2024 is seen as a deterrent to any immediate changes.


**Fernando Alonso vs. Sergio Perez**

- Fernando Alonso's stern response to a question about beating Sergio Perez in the championship is discussed.
- They consider the driver-car dynamic, acknowledging the influence of the car's performance on driver results.
- The example of Zhou Guangyu's comments on the challenges of winning in a less competitive car is mentioned, highlighting the importance of both driver skill and car performance.


**Bird in the Brake Duct**

- Ted brings up the incident of a bird entering Max Verstappen's brake duct during the race.
- They express curiosity about the potential impact of such an occurrence on the car's performance and safety.

## Podcast Episode Summary:

### Red Bull's Record-Breaking Achievements and Sergio Perez's Performance

- Red Bull Racing celebrated a milestone achievement by securing their 100th Formula One victory in Canada, becoming the fourth team to reach this remarkable feat.
- Sergio Perez, Red Bull's second driver, has consistently supported reigning World Champion Max Verstappen, playing a crucial role in the team's success.


### Lando Norris' Unsportsmanlike Behavior and W Series' Financial Struggles

- Lando Norris faced criticism for his actions during the Canadian Grand Prix, resulting in a five-second penalty for unsportsmanlike behavior.
- The W Series, an all-female racing championship, unfortunately entered administration due to financial difficulties, leading to the cancellation of the remaining races in the 2023 season.


### Ted Kravitz's Encounter with Christian Horner

- Ted Kravitz shared an anecdote about meeting Christian Horner, the current Red Bull team principal, before he assumed this role.
- Kravitz recalled encountering Horner in a passport queue at Milan's Linate Airport in 2004, where Horner mentioned his aspirations of becoming a Formula One team boss.


### Key Points and Insights:

- Red Bull's 100th victory highlights their dominance and consistency in Formula One, solidifying their position among the most successful teams in the sport's history.
- Sergio Perez's role as a supporting driver to Max Verstappen has been instrumental in Red Bull's recent achievements, demonstrating the importance of teamwork and strategic decision-making.
- Lando Norris' penalty for unsportsmanlike behavior sparked discussions about the need for clearer regulations and consistent penalty enforcement in Formula One.
- The financial struggles faced by the W Series underscore the challenges faced by women's sports and the ongoing need for support and investment to ensure equal opportunities for female athletes.
- Ted Kravitz's anecdote provides a glimpse into the early career of Christian Horner and his determination to succeed in Formula One, showcasing the personal stories behind the sport's success.

# Podcast Episode Summary:

**Key Points:**

- Red Bull's Landmark Achievements:
- Celebrated 100 Formula One Wins, a remarkable milestone in the sport's history.
- Sergio Perez's Contribution:
- Recognized for his consistent performance as Red Bull's number two driver.
- His unwavering support for reigning World Champion Max Verstappen has been crucial to the team's success.
- A Look Back: Ted Kravitz's Encounter with Christian Horner:
- Kravitz shared a memorable anecdote about meeting Christian Horner before he became Red Bull's team principal.
- The meeting highlighted Horner's passion and determination, which have been instrumental in Red Bull's achievements.
- Lando Norris' Unsportsmanlike Behavior:
- Norris faced a five-second penalty in Montreal for unsportsmanlike behavior.
- The incident sparked discussions about sportsmanship and the need for respectful conduct among drivers.
- W Series Enters Administration:
- The W Series, a groundbreaking all-female racing championship,残念ながら資金難のため、管理下に置かれました。
- The news raised concerns about the challenges faced by women in motorsport and the need for continued support.
- Changing Language and Mindsets:
- Emphasized the importance of inclusive language in Formula One regulations and commentary.
- The use of gender-neutral terms can create a more welcoming environment for women in the sport.
- W Series' Impact and Legacy:
- The W Series played a pivotal role in raising awareness and providing opportunities for female drivers.
- Its legacy extends beyond racing, inspiring young girls to pursue careers in motorsport.
- The Need for More Female Representation:
- The panel highlighted the lack of female journalists and commentators in Formula One.
- Encouraging more women to join the industry is crucial for creating a diverse and inclusive environment.
- Sky Sports' Commitment to Diversity:
- Sky Sports was praised for its all-female presenting and pundit lineup in Spain, demonstrating a commitment to inclusivity.

**Overall Message:**

The podcast delved into Red Bull's remarkable achievements, Sergio Perez's crucial role, and the challenges faced by women in motorsport. It emphasized the need for inclusive language, increased female representation, and continued support for initiatives like the W Series. The discussion highlighted the progress made in promoting diversity and equality in Formula One while acknowledging the work still needed to create a truly inclusive environment in the sport.

[00:00.000 -> 00:09.120] Hello everyone, welcome to this week's podcast and to help me look back at a weekend of records
[00:09.120 -> 00:15.520] for Red Bull I'm joined by not one but two pit lane reporters, Ted Kravitz and F1 journalist
[00:15.520 -> 00:16.920] Claire Cottingham. Hello both.
[00:16.920 -> 00:17.920] Hi.
[00:17.920 -> 00:18.920] Hello Matthew.
[00:18.920 -> 00:19.920] Hello.
[00:19.920 -> 00:23.920] Thanks for having us in your loft apartment. Does that open up to a nice view of Birmingham
[00:23.920 -> 00:24.920] in the River Thames?
[00:24.920 -> 00:26.880] Let's say yes. There's not...
[00:26.880 -> 00:31.240] There's always a warehouse kind of vibe that Matthew has. I should say, Claire and I are
[00:31.240 -> 00:35.920] colleagues, as you say, in the pit lane, and colleagues from W Series, the first year of
[00:35.920 -> 00:36.920] W Series we did together.
[00:36.920 -> 00:40.120] Yeah, we did. I haven't been able to get rid of you since.
[00:40.120 -> 00:41.280] Which we might get onto later.
[00:41.280 -> 00:47.560] Yes, we will. We certainly will. And Ted, you have just come in direct from Canada.
[00:47.560 -> 00:48.880] Yes, I was out there, Matthew.
[00:48.880 -> 00:52.200] They made me work on the Grand Prix, so it is my job.
[00:52.200 -> 00:54.680] So yes, just to explain a slightly disheveled experience.
[00:54.680 -> 00:55.560] Sorry I didn't shave.
[00:55.560 -> 00:56.120] That's OK.
[00:56.120 -> 00:59.040] Yes, but straight in from Canada.
[00:59.040 -> 01:04.920] And I must explain this rather unusually fashionable top
[01:04.920 -> 01:05.000] that I'm wearing.
[01:06.080 -> 01:07.720] This is, do you like it?
[01:07.720 -> 01:08.560] Yes, I do.
[01:08.560 -> 01:10.800] This is a designer t-shirt.
[01:10.800 -> 01:12.440] It's got the whole thing on the back of it.
[01:12.440 -> 01:14.760] That's not a mistake, that's meant to be there.
[01:14.760 -> 01:15.600] Can you see it?
[01:15.600 -> 01:16.420] What is the shape?
[01:16.420 -> 01:17.260] Do we know what the shape is?
[01:17.260 -> 01:18.100] It's a shape.
[01:18.100 -> 01:18.920] Oh, right.
[01:18.920 -> 01:22.360] It's just an antagonist, antagonist, antagonist shape.
[01:22.360 -> 01:23.200] Great.
[01:23.200 -> 01:27.000] And this was the present from the clothes shop from Zheguang Yu
[01:27.000 -> 01:29.000] The great Zheguang Yu shoot that we did
[01:29.520 -> 01:33.040] That was shown at this week's Canadian Grand Prix coverage
[01:33.040 -> 01:38.760] I didn't come away with a Fred Flintstone outfit that he chose for me, but he did choose this for me. It's by
[01:39.680 -> 01:44.000] Acronym. Yeah acronym, which I'm sure you'll know. Yeah
[01:41.000 -> 01:44.000] Yeah. Acronym, which I'm sure you'll know.
[01:44.000 -> 01:45.000] Yeah, absolutely.
[01:45.000 -> 01:46.000] It's a designer brand.
[01:46.000 -> 01:47.000] Elite designer brand.
[01:47.000 -> 01:48.000] Yes, I was about to say that.
[01:48.000 -> 01:50.000] Let's explain the, that doesn't mean anything.
[01:50.000 -> 01:51.000] No.
[01:51.000 -> 01:52.000] No.
[01:52.000 -> 01:53.000] Oh, it's very nice.
[01:53.000 -> 01:54.000] Thank you very much.
[01:54.000 -> 01:55.000] I'm sure worth an awful lot of money.
[01:55.000 -> 02:01.280] I would just say thank you very much to Joe Gueng Yu and his kind generosity because, yeah,
[02:01.280 -> 02:02.280] he bought me a t-shirt.
[02:02.280 -> 02:03.280] Yeah.
[02:03.280 -> 02:04.280] He wanted to buy me the Fred Flintstone outfit.
[02:04.280 -> 02:05.000] And I was like, you're right, Joe. You're right. You're right. You're right with that. You're right with that. because he bought me a t-shirt. He wanted to buy me the Fred Flintstone outfit.
[02:05.000 -> 02:07.000] And I was like, you're right, Joe.
[02:07.000 -> 02:08.000] You're right.
[02:08.000 -> 02:09.000] You're right.
[02:09.000 -> 02:11.000] I would have preferred that, I'm not going to lie.
[02:11.000 -> 02:12.000] Thank you.
[02:12.000 -> 02:13.000] Didn't have any sleeves.
[02:13.000 -> 02:15.000] Got an issue with your arms?
[02:15.000 -> 02:16.000] Well, clearly.
[02:16.000 -> 02:17.000] Have you seen the piece?
[02:17.000 -> 02:20.000] I live with a terrible farmer's tan.
[02:20.000 -> 02:21.000] Oh, of course, yeah.
[02:21.000 -> 02:24.000] He didn't expect me not to be wearing a t-shirt underneath.
[02:24.000 -> 02:25.840] But yeah, good weekend.
[02:25.840 -> 02:27.000] Good weekend, yeah.
[02:27.000 -> 02:28.120] Claire, how was your weekend?
[02:28.120 -> 02:28.960] Really good, thank you.
[02:28.960 -> 02:31.760] I wasn't in Canada, but I was still at a motorsporting
[02:31.760 -> 02:34.280] event, so you can't keep me away too long.
[02:34.280 -> 02:35.880] But yeah, no, it was good, it was nice to watch it.
[02:35.880 -> 02:37.760] Sometimes it's nice to watch it from afar
[02:37.760 -> 02:39.880] and see exactly what's been happening.
[02:39.880 -> 02:41.560] And yeah, it was a really exciting one
[02:41.560 -> 02:43.640] to watch from afar for me.
[02:43.640 -> 02:44.520] Yeah, yeah.
[02:44.520 -> 02:46.560] Before we get onto the race, actually, Ted,
[02:46.560 -> 02:49.200] I just want to, because when you came back from Australia,
[02:49.200 -> 02:51.880] you gave me a joey kangaroo.
[02:51.880 -> 02:52.720] Right.
[02:52.720 -> 02:54.560] And now I do know what-
[02:54.560 -> 02:55.560] And what, you want your present?
[02:55.560 -> 02:58.040] Well, I do know that you've got a present,
[02:58.040 -> 02:59.680] and though part of me is slightly disappointed
[02:59.680 -> 03:02.360] it's not a little cuddly toy marmot,
[03:02.360 -> 03:05.640] after one of the great pieces of nature.
[03:05.640 -> 03:10.600] There were some. I was looking for a moose with a blue hat, but I could only find them
[03:10.600 -> 03:13.440] with the Mounties hats. But you're right, Matthew, I do have a present for you.
[03:13.440 -> 03:15.200] I saw how big a moose was the other day.
[03:15.200 -> 03:16.200] They are quite scary.
[03:16.200 -> 03:17.200] Have you ever seen one of the mooses?
[03:17.200 -> 03:18.200] No.
[03:18.200 -> 03:19.200] Where was the moose?
[03:19.200 -> 03:20.200] It was on Twitter.
[03:20.200 -> 03:21.200] That's where mooses live.
[03:21.200 -> 03:22.200] The plural of moose is moose.
[03:22.200 -> 03:23.200] There we go.
[03:23.200 -> 03:26.840] Here you go, I've got you some
[03:26.840 -> 03:32.000] Canadian crisps and looking forward to the hard bite. Maybe we should rename this podcast
[03:32.000 -> 03:36.960] hard bite. We take a hard bite look at the current issues in Formula One. But Canadian
[03:36.960 -> 03:40.640] crisps. Yeah. How often do you see Canadian crisps? In Canada quite a lot. Well I suppose
[03:40.640 -> 03:45.840] so. And their smoky barbecue flavour. They look delicious. But they are vegan, I think, Claire.
[03:45.840 -> 03:49.320] Do you know what, a lot of the meat flavoured crisps are vegan.
[03:49.320 -> 03:50.320] So many are, so many are.
[03:50.320 -> 03:51.920] It's usually the cheese ones that aren't.
[03:51.920 -> 03:52.920] Yeah.
[03:52.920 -> 03:54.560] I don't know what I'm looking at, they're great.
[03:54.560 -> 03:55.560] Good, anyway.
[03:55.560 -> 03:57.520] Anyway, there's your present from Canada.
[03:57.520 -> 03:58.520] Thank you very much.
[03:58.520 -> 04:01.040] Not a cuddly marmot, but anyway, fine.
[04:01.040 -> 04:03.240] Right, let's move on to our one word race reviews.
[04:03.240 -> 04:04.760] Claire, you go first.
[04:04.760 -> 04:06.000] Promising.
[04:06.000 -> 04:09.800] Because I think we saw something really interesting,
[04:09.800 -> 04:11.040] I think, over this whole race,
[04:11.040 -> 04:12.640] and I'm sure we'll get into it a lot more,
[04:12.640 -> 04:16.300] but with the upgrades, with the fact that Max
[04:16.300 -> 04:19.040] wasn't the most dominant Max we've ever seen,
[04:19.040 -> 04:21.740] it felt like we were, of course he was still gonna win,
[04:21.740 -> 04:23.480] but it felt like we were on for a bit of a fight,
[04:23.480 -> 04:25.420] and having that second place as well
[04:25.420 -> 04:28.320] being a real exciting battle
[04:28.320 -> 04:32.840] between two fantastic, you know, magical drivers,
[04:32.840 -> 04:34.560] it just felt like it was the first race
[04:34.560 -> 04:36.220] that I've been like, there's something
[04:36.220 -> 04:37.360] that could happen here.
[04:38.200 -> 04:40.960] And with a track like Canada as well,
[04:40.960 -> 04:42.480] I know Max was out front laughing
[04:42.480 -> 04:45.000] that he nearly knocked himself out on a curb.
[04:45.000 -> 04:47.000] Sort of evil cackle, wasn't it?
[04:47.000 -> 04:52.000] Well, yeah. But it just felt like finally we've had something.
[04:52.000 -> 04:54.000] Some of the upgrades are starting to show something
[04:54.000 -> 04:59.000] and we're starting to see a bit more of an exciting prospect of a season.
[04:59.000 -> 05:01.000] I think promising is good.
[05:01.000 -> 05:04.000] If not for the lead, then certainly for some more action.
[05:04.000 -> 05:05.800] Yes. I did think of some then certainly for some more action. I did think
[05:05.800 -> 05:15.760] of some other ones for you Matthew. I thought Marmotts, Mounties, Maple Syrup, Moose, Montreal
[05:15.760 -> 05:25.680] and some other M's. I did think briefly about Unsportsmanlike but we'll get into that later. Yeah. So what does it would be one word with it?
[05:25.680 -> 05:27.520] Well, I think it is.
[05:27.520 -> 05:29.120] But I still go on quality.
[05:29.120 -> 05:32.360] Sorry to repeat myself from the notebook.
[05:32.360 -> 05:35.480] But there was just quality about the podium with the guys on it.
[05:35.480 -> 05:37.760] There was quality about the racing between Fernando
[05:37.760 -> 05:38.640] and Lewis.
[05:38.640 -> 05:41.680] And that's the expectation, the prospect
[05:41.680 -> 05:43.700] that we're going to see more of, hopefully,
[05:43.700 -> 05:45.400] because that's great.
[05:45.400 -> 05:50.920] Every time they go at it together. And as Mercedes edge towards Aston Martin, because
[05:50.920 -> 05:55.120] they're not as quick, Aston Martin is still quicker, which I thought was interesting.
[05:55.120 -> 05:58.120] We're going to see more of the Lewis against Fernando. And that is quality.
[05:58.120 -> 05:59.120] Yeah.
[05:59.120 -> 06:00.120] Fingers crossed.
[06:00.120 -> 06:01.120] Very exciting. I thought you put your hand up.
[06:01.120 -> 06:04.600] No, I was fingers crossing. Yeah, I was just agreeing. I was like, no, absolutely. I want
[06:04.600 -> 06:05.500] to see more of it. I think so. Yeah, for sure fingers crossing. I was just agreeing. I was like, no, absolutely. I want to see more of it.
[06:05.500 -> 06:06.660] I think so, yeah, for sure.
[06:06.660 -> 06:10.860] I've actually gone for records because it was a big weekend for records for Red Bull
[06:10.860 -> 06:11.860] and for Max.
[06:11.860 -> 06:18.180] 100 wins now for Red Bull, 41 wins for Max, which now equals Ayrton Senna's amount of
[06:18.180 -> 06:19.780] race wins in Formula 1.
[06:19.780 -> 06:24.160] And the record, which I kind of think got slightly overshadowed by the other two fairly
[06:24.160 -> 06:31.280] incredible achievements for Red Bull and Max, was 200 wins for Adrian Newey this weekend their chief technical officer. So records
[06:31.480 -> 06:35.560] Yeah, I'm kind of I think you're falling for the classic
[06:36.320 -> 06:39.720] Records trap there. Well, you know now that we have
[06:40.560 -> 06:42.560] 805 races in a season
[06:42.560 -> 06:43.060] Yeah
[06:43.060 -> 06:46.680] Then you are gonna get these records that tumble rather quicker
[06:46.680 -> 06:47.680] than you used to.
[06:47.680 -> 06:53.520] And certainly on the race wins point with reliability now, the way it is, I think reliability
[06:53.520 -> 06:59.840] means that actually if Ayrton Senna was racing in 2023, he would have finished more races.
[06:59.840 -> 07:01.960] Is that a fair comment?
[07:01.960 -> 07:02.960] Yeah.
[07:02.960 -> 07:05.280] I would think, yeah, I think, you know,
[07:05.280 -> 07:07.080] Max sort of summed it up after the race, didn't he?
[07:07.080 -> 07:08.440] He said, you know,
[07:08.440 -> 07:10.760] I don't want to look at the two different generations.
[07:10.760 -> 07:12.920] I don't want to see what they did
[07:12.920 -> 07:14.000] compared to what I did now,
[07:14.000 -> 07:15.200] because it's completely different.
[07:15.200 -> 07:17.800] Formula One has completely changed.
[07:17.800 -> 07:20.760] And you also have to remember, Max is only 25, you know,
[07:20.760 -> 07:23.720] so he's got this amazing 41 wins under his belt
[07:23.720 -> 07:25.080] at such a young age.
[07:25.080 -> 07:27.760] So that has to show that we've got something
[07:27.760 -> 07:30.420] along the lines of reliability playing into it
[07:30.420 -> 07:32.480] and the generation just being so different.
[07:32.480 -> 07:34.800] If we hadn't moved forward with what we've seen
[07:34.800 -> 07:36.800] in the past, we wouldn't have the safety standards
[07:36.800 -> 07:37.640] we have now.
[07:37.640 -> 07:39.320] So racing is completely different, I would say,
[07:39.320 -> 07:40.160] from back then.
[07:40.160 -> 07:42.280] Yeah, Senna was, what, 35 when he died?
[07:42.280 -> 07:44.880] And there were only 15, 16 races in a season.
[07:44.880 -> 07:46.480] So, yeah.
[07:46.480 -> 07:51.480] I think Max was keen not to do the Senna merger, wasn't he?
[07:51.480 -> 07:52.760] But Lewis does that as well.
[07:52.760 -> 07:54.240] If you've ever asked Lewis about records,
[07:54.240 -> 07:56.840] he's very much like, I don't look at records, you know?
[07:56.840 -> 07:59.000] I just focus on what's next.
[07:59.000 -> 07:59.840] Do you think, though?
[07:59.840 -> 08:01.120] So there you go, we trashed your records line.
[08:01.120 -> 08:01.960] There you go.
[08:01.960 -> 08:02.800] In a different word.
[08:02.800 -> 08:08.760] Yeah, do you think, though, even though Max says he's not interested in records, do you think
[08:08.760 -> 08:15.880] a little part of him, as he went to bed last night, put his little trophy next to him in
[08:15.880 -> 08:18.320] bed, do you think a little part of him just went, oh.
[08:18.320 -> 08:21.080] He's going to have a big bed if he's got all of his trophies in his cellar.
[08:21.080 -> 08:22.080] You would.
[08:22.080 -> 08:23.080] Yeah, I think you would.
[08:23.080 -> 08:28.800] Yeah. I would airtame Senna. You would. I think you would. I'm trying to think whether Jos raced against, I think, 94.
[08:28.800 -> 08:32.000] It was probably, might have overlapped a season or so.
[08:32.000 -> 08:35.440] I was going to say, I think there was, yeah, but I don't think he would have been actually
[08:35.440 -> 08:37.320] competing with him in that sort of way.
[08:37.320 -> 08:38.320] He wasn't.
[08:38.320 -> 08:40.320] So you've got to allow yourself.
[08:40.320 -> 08:42.280] Yeah, you're going to think about it, aren't you?
[08:42.280 -> 08:48.580] Because Senna was one of the most famous faces in Formula One history. Of course you're going to think about it, aren't you? Because Senna was one of the most famous faces in Formula One history. Of course you're going to think about it. But are you going
[08:48.580 -> 08:55.680] to put everything onto it and think that then justifies your talent or gives you the validation
[08:55.680 -> 08:58.980] that you need to prove that you're a good driver? Probably not. You know, he's already
[08:58.980 -> 09:05.200] got that on his own merit, I guess. So yeah, I think in that way, he probably doesn't want to,
[09:05.920 -> 09:09.840] he probably might not want to annoy fans as well by saying, yes, well, I'm as good as
[09:10.400 -> 09:13.520] Senna now, you know, that's not a line that you want to kind of say, you know,
[09:13.520 -> 09:15.760] they're two different entities in two different grades.
[09:15.760 -> 09:21.200] Yeah. What about that podium yesterday? We had Fernando Alonso, Lewis Hamilton, and of course,
[09:21.200 -> 09:25.640] Max Verstappen. And Ted, what about the generations that were spanning there?
[09:25.640 -> 09:28.120] Because obviously you've got Lewis and Fernando
[09:28.120 -> 09:30.680] who are kind of, would you say a generation
[09:32.200 -> 09:34.520] ahead of, sorry, behind.
[09:34.520 -> 09:35.360] In time, but yeah.
[09:35.360 -> 09:36.520] Yes, yeah, yeah.
[09:36.520 -> 09:37.560] Yes, definitely.
[09:37.560 -> 09:40.240] But actually, what excited me most about that
[09:40.240 -> 09:44.400] was not those three, nor the Mounties we saw around it,
[09:44.400 -> 09:46.520] but the appearance of Adrian
[09:46.520 -> 09:51.480] Newey. That made the podium for me. It was like, whoa, okay, right. You know, Newey who
[09:51.480 -> 09:56.520] spanned Senna, you know, through the Schumacher is fighting against Schumacher in a Ferrari
[09:56.520 -> 10:02.000] and then doing all the McLaren cars and Williams and through Hill and Villeneuve and, you know,
[10:02.000 -> 10:06.720] and then Vettel and all of that and see Verstappen and I thought that gave me
[10:06.720 -> 10:08.000] a little bit of a tingle.
[10:08.000 -> 10:09.080] Yeah, I thought it was great.
[10:09.080 -> 10:13.760] I think we also don't often see Lewis alongside Louis,
[10:13.760 -> 10:16.480] alongside Alonso and alongside Max.
[10:16.480 -> 10:17.880] I think I heard a stat somewhere
[10:17.880 -> 10:19.840] that it's only happened once in Qatar.
[10:20.680 -> 10:21.520] I'd have to look that up,
[10:21.520 -> 10:23.960] that's not very good fact checking for me.
[10:23.960 -> 10:26.840] But it was, you know, how many world championships between them, 11?
[10:26.840 -> 10:27.660] Did I do that math right?
[10:27.660 -> 10:28.640] Seven, yeah.
[10:28.640 -> 10:31.360] 11 world championships in a race that felt like
[10:31.360 -> 10:34.460] it ignited something new and exciting in this championship,
[10:34.460 -> 10:36.340] which we haven't seen yet this season.
[10:36.340 -> 10:39.920] It's been a bit of a, maybe a quieter start to the season
[10:39.920 -> 10:41.640] than we've maybe hoped for.
[10:41.640 -> 10:43.800] And it just, it felt like there was a new fire
[10:43.800 -> 10:45.400] that's under a lot of bellies.
[10:45.400 -> 10:48.020] And to see then that be the final podium,
[10:48.020 -> 10:49.560] for me just felt really special.
[10:49.560 -> 10:52.480] I felt like we've had one of those three this year.
[10:52.480 -> 10:53.760] But I told you, I didn't fact it.
[10:53.760 -> 10:55.800] I didn't fact check it at all.
[10:55.800 -> 10:56.640] Not enough.
[10:56.640 -> 10:57.480] Should we say that?
[10:57.480 -> 10:58.300] Not enough.
[10:58.300 -> 10:59.140] Yeah, exactly.
[10:59.140 -> 11:01.760] Because I remember doing the 11 line.
[11:01.760 -> 11:02.600] Oh, there you go.
[11:02.600 -> 11:03.420] Okay.
[11:03.420 -> 11:04.260] Qatar, last year.
[11:04.260 -> 11:05.440] Maybe it was in qualifying. Oh, maybe. go. Okay. Qatar, last year. Maybe it was in qualifying.
[11:05.440 -> 11:06.840] Oh, maybe.
[11:06.840 -> 11:07.680] Anyway, good.
[11:07.680 -> 11:08.500] We'll have to check another day.
[11:08.500 -> 11:10.000] People don't come here for the flags.
[11:10.000 -> 11:12.800] It's all good, it's all good, it's all good.
[11:12.800 -> 11:13.620] In the press conference,
[11:13.620 -> 11:15.360] it was all very cordial between the three of them.
[11:15.360 -> 11:16.400] And it was really interesting.
[11:16.400 -> 11:17.240] They were all saying, you know,
[11:17.240 -> 11:18.880] there's a lot of respect between us,
[11:18.880 -> 11:21.680] but, and I think one of the journalists
[11:21.680 -> 11:23.520] in the press conference sort of alluded to this,
[11:23.520 -> 11:27.960] you know, if you had the three of them going for a championship, just how special that
[11:27.960 -> 11:28.960] would be.
[11:28.960 -> 11:34.680] And, you know, I don't know if this is just fantasy land in Matt's head.
[11:34.680 -> 11:39.840] Could we ever get to a situation where we do see them race in, say, equal machinery
[11:39.840 -> 11:41.880] in this finite period of time?
[11:41.880 -> 11:43.680] Anne on Twitter would like this.
[11:43.680 -> 11:50.160] Can we see Max Alonso and Lewis in the same car for a race? Could we in a 25 race season next year have a little exhibition?
[11:50.160 -> 11:55.920] 24 races and one exhibition? Oh, you mean in the same cars? Yeah, yeah. Well, no, but
[11:55.920 -> 12:05.280] what we can hope for, sorry Anne, nice idea, but good luck with that. What we can hope for is that Red Bull do take
[12:07.280 -> 12:08.280] some penalty with aerodynamic testing restrictions.
[12:08.560 -> 12:09.560] Restriction.
[12:09.800 -> 12:11.760] And that Aston Martin and Mercedes
[12:11.760 -> 12:13.080] come up to their level for next
[12:13.080 -> 12:13.840] year.
[12:13.840 -> 12:14.960] And then we'll have different cars.
[12:15.000 -> 12:16.540] But yeah, there's going to be some
[12:16.540 -> 12:18.260] sort of impact on losing out on that
[12:18.260 -> 12:20.000] time with the penalty they received.
[12:20.280 -> 12:21.620] We haven't seen it yet because
[12:21.620 -> 12:22.960] obviously they've had such a strong
[12:22.960 -> 12:23.960] start to the season. They've won
[12:23.960 -> 12:25.700] every single race so far.
[12:25.700 -> 12:28.020] But there has to be something that gives eventually.
[12:28.020 -> 12:32.180] And I think, again, what I mean by promising is that it's been so exciting to see that,
[12:32.180 -> 12:37.060] you know, the upgrades that Mercedes have brought in Monaco meant to be for Imola and
[12:37.060 -> 12:41.700] the ones that Aston Martin brought for Canada has shown that they are just edging that bit
[12:41.700 -> 12:42.700] further.
[12:42.700 -> 12:45.360] And if nothing else, yes, we're still not fighting for the win, but they're starting to fight
[12:45.360 -> 12:47.880] with each other, and Mercedes are back in that fight.
[12:47.880 -> 12:50.440] And Ferrari, it could have been circumstantial
[12:50.440 -> 12:51.920] because we had a bit of a wild qualifying,
[12:51.920 -> 12:55.280] but Ferrari, Aston Martin, and Mercedes,
[12:55.280 -> 12:56.600] they're gonna start their own little battle,
[12:56.600 -> 12:58.320] and I think that's really exciting.
[12:58.320 -> 13:00.360] Yeah, the race for second is on.
[13:00.360 -> 13:01.840] I got goosebumps thinking about it.
[13:01.840 -> 13:02.680] I know.
[13:02.680 -> 13:04.680] We'll take what we can.
[13:04.680 -> 13:05.000] Ferrari hope they will. Yeah, it's possible know! We'll take what we can.
[13:05.000 -> 13:06.000] Ferrari hope they will.
[13:06.000 -> 13:07.000] Yeah.
[13:07.000 -> 13:09.000] It's possible that Aston and Mercedes could drop Ferrari.
[13:09.000 -> 13:10.000] Yes.
[13:10.000 -> 13:11.000] It's possible.
[13:11.000 -> 13:12.000] It is.
[13:12.000 -> 13:17.000] Let's have a word on Max and his performance this weekend.
[13:17.000 -> 13:21.000] And I want to go back to something you said after Australia, when you gave me a joey last time.
[13:21.000 -> 13:23.000] Well, it was the kangaroo and its joey.
[13:23.000 -> 13:24.000] Yeah, sorry about that.
[13:24.000 -> 13:26.120] I hope you kept it alive. Well, yeah the kangaroo and it's Joey. Yeah, sorry. I hope you kept it alive.
[13:26.120 -> 13:26.960] Well, yeah.
[13:28.280 -> 13:29.240] Didn't get to keep it.
[13:29.240 -> 13:30.840] Anyway, let's move on.
[13:32.720 -> 13:33.560] Watch for my kids.
[13:33.560 -> 13:34.380] You, yeah.
[13:35.280 -> 13:36.720] You said after Australia,
[13:36.720 -> 13:38.720] what was so great about Max's performance there
[13:38.720 -> 13:41.800] was that he was able to kind of glide through the chaos
[13:41.800 -> 13:43.280] serenely throughout that race,
[13:43.280 -> 13:47.400] avoid all the red flags, all the nonsense that was happening behind him and still win.
[13:47.400 -> 13:53.200] And that made it super impressive. And I think, not with the race this weekend, but with the, certainly what happened in qualifying,
[13:53.200 -> 13:59.200] it didn't look in any doubt, did it, with the way Max performed. He seemed to, everything that came at him with the weather,
[13:59.200 -> 14:09.340] Ted, he just seemed to be able to deal with it and bat it away and perform well. And that's why I said Red Bull are just gliding through life at the moment because everything
[14:09.340 -> 14:10.340] is going fine.
[14:10.340 -> 14:15.840] The only problem they have to worry about is Sergio Perez and, not a problem, but I'll
[14:15.840 -> 14:22.440] get to it in a second, and where to hide that 100 wins flag that suddenly appeared at the
[14:22.440 -> 14:23.440] front of Max's…
[14:23.440 -> 14:24.440] I knew there'd be something!
[14:24.440 -> 14:26.960] I knew it!
[14:26.960 -> 14:29.120] And I sort of thought, there's gonna be a t-shirt,
[14:29.120 -> 14:31.200] or Helmut Marko's gonna appear in a hoodie,
[14:31.200 -> 14:33.560] you know, with 100 Grand Prix wins on it,
[14:33.560 -> 14:35.760] or like, someone's gonna appear with a hat.
[14:35.760 -> 14:37.280] And in the end, it was a flag.
[14:37.280 -> 14:39.600] And I thought, all right, well, someone has gone to a shop
[14:39.600 -> 14:42.200] and got that flag that's saying 100 Grand Prix wins made.
[14:42.200 -> 14:44.640] You know, what did they keep it in, a sort of locked safe?
[14:44.640 -> 14:45.200] You know, was it, you know, Lest Christian Horner should happen upon it made. You know, what did they keep it in a sort of locked safe?
[14:45.200 -> 14:48.560] Was it, you know, less Christian Horner should happen upon it?
[14:48.560 -> 14:49.560] You don't tempt it.
[14:49.560 -> 14:50.920] But they didn't have to worry about it, did they?
[14:50.920 -> 14:51.880] It was always in hand.
[14:51.880 -> 14:54.120] In qualifying and in the race, they're
[14:54.120 -> 14:56.040] gliding through stuff at the moment.
[14:56.040 -> 14:57.480] And when the only problem you've got
[14:57.480 -> 14:59.440] is where to hide your celebratory flag
[14:59.440 -> 15:02.160] before it's actually happened, and that Sergio Perez seems
[15:02.160 -> 15:04.360] off the boil at the moment, it's actually not really
[15:04.360 -> 15:08.400] a problem at all, is it? Because he's the perfect number two now, he's reverted back to the perfect
[15:08.400 -> 15:16.000] number two for Max. Yeah I do, I feel like it is a problem. What, Sergio? Yes, because if he, look,
[15:16.000 -> 15:20.560] he started 12th and he finished sixth. In any other drive or any other team you'd be like,
[15:20.560 -> 15:25.800] that's a good drive, that's an impressive drive, but the fact is he shouldn't have qualified 12th at all.
[15:25.800 -> 15:27.800] Like that should not be where a Red Bull is qualifying.
[15:27.800 -> 15:30.500] He should not have not got through to Q3 in a Red Bull.
[15:30.500 -> 15:32.580] And I know the qualifying was all a bit over the place
[15:32.580 -> 15:34.680] and the changing conditions and the rain came down
[15:34.680 -> 15:36.640] and maybe he would have not set a lap
[15:36.640 -> 15:37.960] or whatever it is anyway.
[15:37.960 -> 15:41.860] But the fact is he shouldn't have been qualifying P12 anyway.
[15:41.860 -> 15:44.000] That's the main thing we need to take away from this.
[15:44.000 -> 15:46.200] So they don't have no headaches at the moment.
[15:46.200 -> 15:47.880] Yes, they've got one driver that's doing amazingly
[15:47.880 -> 15:49.560] and looks like he's gonna win the championship,
[15:49.560 -> 15:51.640] but it's a team, as they always say to us,
[15:51.640 -> 15:53.520] it's a team sport.
[15:53.520 -> 15:55.040] And so if one's not doing it,
[15:55.040 -> 15:57.480] and for him, he needed confidence,
[15:57.480 -> 15:58.780] he needed confidence this weekend,
[15:58.780 -> 16:00.500] he didn't get it, it's not the best track
[16:00.500 -> 16:02.000] to try and get your confidence back.
[16:02.000 -> 16:09.840] He crashed out in qualifying, I think, last year in Canada. But to not even get into Q3, and I think that's a hat trick of not getting into Q3, he's
[16:09.840 -> 16:18.000] had a couple of non-Q3 performances. That's a real headache. In terms of what, not providing max
[16:18.000 -> 16:25.400] support in the races? Or just for his own equilibrium? For his own confidence to support.
[16:25.400 -> 16:29.120] You know, he's got a fierce Fernando Alonso behind him.
[16:29.120 -> 16:31.280] If he had a second red ball sitting behind him,
[16:31.280 -> 16:32.920] making it as wide as Alex Albon did
[16:32.920 -> 16:34.960] for the entirety of that race,
[16:34.960 -> 16:36.160] yeah, he would have support.
[16:36.160 -> 16:38.320] And also, they would have an easy wrap-off
[16:38.320 -> 16:39.960] of the team's championship.
[16:39.960 -> 16:42.520] Without that, they're gonna really struggle.
[16:42.520 -> 16:44.520] And they need it, they need the number two driver
[16:44.520 -> 16:47.460] that you so rightly said he's slotted into now.
[16:48.460 -> 16:50.520] But is he not the perfect number two driver
[16:50.520 -> 16:52.120] in this scenario this year?
[16:52.120 -> 16:54.760] Not if he's not being there for Max.
[16:54.760 -> 16:56.880] Yeah, but he's not causing Red Bull problems, is he?
[16:56.880 -> 16:57.720] Unlike...
[16:57.720 -> 16:58.540] Well.
[16:58.540 -> 17:00.840] Well, he's not causing Red Bull problems
[17:00.840 -> 17:03.520] in the sense of rifts in the team.
[17:03.520 -> 17:07.180] All of that that we've had in the past with Red Bull,
[17:07.180 -> 17:08.940] actually, they're just letting,
[17:08.940 -> 17:12.220] you know, Max is able to just keep winning races
[17:12.220 -> 17:14.300] and he's not being troubled by anything else,
[17:14.300 -> 17:16.340] and actually, Red Bull this year
[17:16.340 -> 17:18.260] probably will win the Constructor's title
[17:18.260 -> 17:20.300] and probably will win the Driver's title,
[17:20.300 -> 17:21.820] and if both of those,
[17:21.820 -> 17:24.500] yeah, and if both of those happen,
[17:24.500 -> 17:26.800] what more could you possibly want?
[17:26.800 -> 17:30.200] There's no award for 1-2, 1-2, 1-2, 1-2 in the races.
[17:30.200 -> 17:35.160] Yeah, but there is still that sort of, we're winning every race and we're second.
[17:35.160 -> 17:37.240] You know, you hear Red Bull 1-2 all the time.
[17:37.240 -> 17:42.760] The early rash of Checo challenging for the championship confidence of Miami and Baku
[17:42.760 -> 17:45.560] has evaporated, hasn't it?
[17:45.560 -> 17:49.580] As the pollen descends and makes us sneeze.
[17:49.580 -> 17:50.420] In Miami, he was-
[17:50.420 -> 17:52.060] A strange, hakey line there.
[17:52.060 -> 17:54.220] It has evaporated with the pollen.
[17:56.460 -> 17:57.300] I'm just gonna move it on.
[17:57.300 -> 17:59.820] In Miami, he was so defiant as well.
[17:59.820 -> 18:02.740] Like, he was so confident coming into that race
[18:02.740 -> 18:04.780] and then to have it all taken away.
[18:04.780 -> 18:05.960] And, you know, you have to remember
[18:05.960 -> 18:07.540] he's won what, two races this season.
[18:07.540 -> 18:09.360] It's not like he's a bad driver.
[18:09.360 -> 18:10.920] But the confidence level has dropped.
[18:10.920 -> 18:12.320] That will dip back up.
[18:12.320 -> 18:15.100] Absolutely, he will pick up his confidence again.
[18:15.100 -> 18:17.460] But I don't have full confidence myself
[18:17.460 -> 18:18.540] in knowing when that's gonna be
[18:18.540 -> 18:20.180] because he needs to find a track
[18:20.180 -> 18:21.300] that's gonna give him confidence.
[18:21.300 -> 18:22.500] And Canada wasn't it.
[18:23.360 -> 18:25.120] Question from Krista on Instagram.
[18:25.120 -> 18:27.280] I'm wondering when we'll all stop saying the two Red Bulls
[18:27.280 -> 18:30.000] and start saying instead Max in a Red Bull.
[18:30.000 -> 18:32.640] That car may be fast, but Max is in a league of his own.
[18:32.640 -> 18:35.360] Does Sergio deserve the second Red Bull seat?
[18:36.560 -> 18:40.400] Yes, although Christian Horner was quick to praise Alex Albon, wasn't he?
[18:40.400 -> 18:41.360] Yeah, he was very quick.
[18:41.360 -> 18:42.800] So, interesting.
[18:43.440 -> 18:46.500] I thought that was interesting in that Alex
[18:46.500 -> 18:51.560] Albon has now severed all of his ties. He doesn't even have the Red Bull on the side
[18:51.560 -> 18:58.080] of his helmet anymore, does he? No, he lost that. He still has the links with the Uvidia
[18:58.080 -> 19:06.260] family who are 51% owners of Red Bull. Alex does in the stuff that he does. There's a couple of sponsors that he does,
[19:06.260 -> 19:09.760] which is linked to the Uvidia family
[19:09.760 -> 19:13.440] and their other brands that they have in Thailand.
[19:13.440 -> 19:16.580] But Malik's is not in the Red Bull camp anymore.
[19:16.580 -> 19:19.180] And Alex's album finishing seventh in a Williams,
[19:20.240 -> 19:22.380] even though it was 20 seconds behind,
[19:22.380 -> 19:24.720] well, it wouldn't, but Checo made the extra pit stop,
[19:24.720 -> 19:29.840] behind Checo Perez in a Red Bull in sixth wasn't lost on anybody.
[19:29.840 -> 19:31.600] At least it seems Christian Horne.
[19:31.600 -> 19:36.240] Yeah, and I think also you have to remember that we lost George Russell in that race.
[19:36.240 -> 19:41.760] Would he have been in front of Sergio Perez if he had not hit his car into the wall?
[19:41.760 -> 19:43.880] So actually Sergio could have been seventh.
[19:43.880 -> 19:46.000] So you know, there's another. But does he deserve that seat?
[19:46.000 -> 19:50.000] Of course he deserves that seat. He fought hard for that seat and he is a good driver. Let's not
[19:50.000 -> 19:55.120] forget he's a good driver. He's just not as good as his teammate. And nobody wants that, you know.
[19:55.760 -> 20:02.080] It's like the Lewis Hamilton next to Valtteri Bottas. You know, Bottas isn't a bad driver,
[20:02.080 -> 20:07.200] but he just would never be able to match what Lewis could do in that car.
[20:07.200 -> 20:09.200] But he definitely deserves a seat, that's, yeah.
[20:09.200 -> 20:10.240] But it's a funny one, isn't it,
[20:10.240 -> 20:11.400] that second seat next to Max,
[20:11.400 -> 20:13.080] because it's such a revolving door.
[20:13.080 -> 20:16.480] Before Sergio came in, you had Alex, you had Gasly,
[20:16.480 -> 20:17.320] you had Daniel Ricciardi.
[20:17.320 -> 20:18.160] Are they gonna get Alex Albon back up?
[20:18.160 -> 20:18.980] Are they gonna get Alex Albon back up?
[20:18.980 -> 20:20.320] Oh, it's a good old rule of the year, maybe.
[20:20.320 -> 20:21.160] Maybe.
[20:21.160 -> 20:21.980] Well, you just started the rumor.
[20:21.980 -> 20:22.820] You just started the rumor.
[20:22.820 -> 20:23.760] The rumor's starting here.
[20:23.760 -> 20:27.440] Point out that Christian Horner was quick to praise Alex Albon, even though he's not
[20:27.440 -> 20:28.440] a Red Bull driver.
[20:28.440 -> 20:35.920] Look, if we get to the summer and Sergio's form is still not where we think it should
[20:35.920 -> 20:45.000] be, do you think they'd look elsewhere mid-season for a change?
[20:45.000 -> 20:48.200] You think obviously we've got Ricciardo in the wings, we've got Albon.
[20:48.200 -> 20:51.440] To be fair, Albon at Williams now seems very settled and seems like he's really growing
[20:51.440 -> 20:54.600] and building that team, especially with James Vowles there now.
[20:54.600 -> 20:55.600] Yeah, he doesn't want to go back.
[20:55.600 -> 20:56.600] He doesn't want to go.
[20:56.600 -> 20:57.600] Surely he doesn't want to go back.
[20:57.600 -> 21:00.640] No, I mean, Ricciardo is the obvious one.
[21:00.640 -> 21:05.480] If you're not ready to promote Liam Lawson, who's next in the Red Bull staircase of talent,
[21:05.480 -> 21:07.640] they don't think Yuki Tsunoda or Nick LaRisse
[21:07.640 -> 21:09.040] are quite right for Red Bull racing,
[21:09.040 -> 21:11.120] which they, I want Marco and Chris Newlon
[21:11.120 -> 21:15.880] pretty much made clear, then give Daniel Ricciardo a go.
[21:15.880 -> 21:18.480] I mean, Sergio, he has a contract till 2024.
[21:18.480 -> 21:19.320] He does.
[21:19.320 -> 21:21.600] So there's, yeah, end of 2024.
[21:21.600 -> 21:24.560] So in theory, absolutely not,
[21:24.560 -> 21:25.600] they're not gonna look at anyone else. Like
[21:25.600 -> 21:28.720] you say, he is doing the number two driver thing. He's just not performing at the level
[21:28.720 -> 21:32.560] they want him to be performing at. With the harmony in the team, it's very different. But
[21:34.560 -> 21:40.320] Checo is quite a fiery character. How long is he going to keep his cool about his performance at
[21:40.320 -> 21:43.760] the moment? And I think for them, they're quite lucky because it seems to be something to do with
[21:43.760 -> 21:46.780] his confidence and his driving, rather than the team making
[21:46.780 -> 21:52.400] choices that's frustrating him that we've seen in the past. So I don't think they, they
[21:52.400 -> 21:56.200] probably would be, I guess, quite foolish to look elsewhere when they've got such a
[21:56.200 -> 21:57.200] solid driver in Sergio.
[21:57.200 -> 22:07.600] And it's fine as it is. It's fine. They're gliding through the season. And if there are any worries that Checo is having a bit of a wobble,
[22:07.600 -> 22:09.400] then they can deal with it.
[22:09.400 -> 22:11.760] Now Alonso was asked in the presser yesterday
[22:12.560 -> 22:16.000] if he can beat Sergio Perez, and he just replied with a stern look.
[22:16.080 -> 22:19.640] Yes, he's now nine points behind Sergio.
[22:20.120 -> 22:22.720] And that could be a really interesting battle for second, couldn't it,
[22:22.720 -> 22:25.840] in the championship, Fernando and Sergio? Yeah, I hadn't thought of that.
[22:26.480 -> 22:28.880] What were they expecting him to respond with, though?
[22:30.880 -> 22:32.880] He's like, no, I don't think I could.
[22:32.880 -> 22:37.840] It was, I agree with you, it was a funny question, but what was brilliant was his response and the
[22:37.840 -> 22:42.720] manner of which, you know, it was actually quite a jovial press conference by all accounts,
[22:42.720 -> 22:46.840] but that line was sort of like, I think Sergio will see that in his nightmares.
[22:46.840 -> 22:50.600] Maybe that brings us back to how much is driver, how much is car?
[22:50.600 -> 22:52.600] That's an old another podcast.
[22:52.600 -> 22:58.360] A separate podcast we'll do maybe at the end of the year, Matthew.
[22:58.360 -> 23:06.880] Which is, you know, I mean, I made a comment to Zhou Guangyu when we were doing our feature with him before Canada was that in China where
[23:06.880 -> 23:13.840] it's you know very sporting culture is all about winning look at the Olympics and how they develop
[23:13.840 -> 23:20.640] athletes for the Olympic Games. Is it hard to make the Chinese watching public understand
[23:20.640 -> 23:25.060] that there is a level at which the car dominates the driver performance in
[23:25.060 -> 23:26.060] Formula One.
[23:26.060 -> 23:29.180] And if you're in an Alfa Romeo Salvo, with the greatest respect for them, you won't be
[23:29.180 -> 23:34.160] winning races, you won't be a winner, a Chinese winner in the world sport, because you're
[23:34.160 -> 23:38.900] only in an Alfa Romeo Salvo and not a Red Bull.
[23:38.900 -> 23:42.160] And he said, gave a very thoughtful answer about yes, how that is the case.
[23:42.160 -> 23:50.640] But if we're talking then, that actually Fernando would seem that the driver has rather a lot of, you know, maybe it's not 50% car, 50%
[23:50.640 -> 23:55.640] driver. But if the margin is such that Checo is not delivering at Max's level, but he's
[23:55.640 -> 23:59.840] still in a Red Bull, yet Fernando in a car that's demonstrably slower, the Aston Martin,
[23:59.840 -> 24:04.080] not much, but demonstrably slower, can make that difference and finish above him, then
[24:04.080 -> 24:12.480] that's what gives him the assurance. But how good must Verstappen be? If Checo's good, and then how good must
[24:12.480 -> 24:16.560] Verstappen be? How much gooder? To be so far gooder? It must be so far. Yeah, well, no,
[24:16.560 -> 24:21.680] but it takes me back to the point I made before, to hop back to my own point. That's the thing,
[24:21.680 -> 24:25.000] you know, it's this age-old argument, isn't it?
[24:25.000 -> 24:27.000] Is it the car or is it the driver?
[24:27.000 -> 24:30.000] And with Red Bull, I think it's both, you know, obviously.
[24:30.000 -> 24:32.000] But how much more of it is Max?
[24:32.000 -> 24:36.000] And I think it's probably significantly more than we're giving it credit for.
[24:53.160 -> 24:59.800] We were talking about how Red Bull was serenely gliding through the race, and Max was, but there was one thing that could have caused problems for Max Verstappen, and that was
[24:59.800 -> 25:00.800] a bird.
[25:00.800 -> 25:01.800] Oh yes, we found this out one time.
[25:01.800 -> 25:03.680] A bird in the brake duct.
[25:03.680 -> 25:07.360] Now, I want to know if a bird in a brake... How big a deal is a bird in the brake duct. Now I want to know if a bird in a brake
[25:07.360 -> 25:11.640] how big a deal is a bird in a brake duct? I saw there's a photo on Twitter which
[25:11.640 -> 25:19.060] if you're not into animal things maybe don't look at is of the mechanic
[25:19.060 -> 25:23.680] holding up the offending bird that was in the brake duct and it's quite a big
[25:23.680 -> 25:25.400] bird. They're seagulls, I think, aren't they?
[25:25.400 -> 25:27.240] Because there are usually seagulls around that area.
[25:27.240 -> 25:28.520] It didn't look the color of a seagull.
[25:28.520 -> 25:29.840] It looked a little browner.
[25:29.840 -> 25:32.160] I did go through a car.
[25:32.160 -> 25:33.800] I mean, give it a break.
[25:33.800 -> 25:35.320] It's had a tough day.
[25:35.320 -> 25:36.640] I want to understand.
[25:36.640 -> 25:40.280] Yes, I want to understand how a bird going into a brake duct
[25:40.280 -> 25:41.920] doesn't cause him to retire.
[25:41.920 -> 25:43.360] That isn't an issue for him.
[25:43.360 -> 25:46.600] Or doesn't alter the performance of the car?
[25:46.600 -> 25:47.960] Well, was it the wing?
[25:49.240 -> 25:50.880] I mean the bird's wing, not the front wing.
[25:50.880 -> 25:52.480] Well, yeah. It was the whole bird.
[25:52.480 -> 25:53.720] Well, he said on the radio, didn't he?
[25:53.720 -> 25:55.120] He said, I think I've just hit a bird.
[25:55.120 -> 25:55.960] Yeah.
[25:55.960 -> 25:57.160] I can't remember where it was in the race,
[25:57.160 -> 25:58.920] but he said, I've hit a bird.
[25:58.920 -> 26:01.320] And then afterwards he said in the interviews,
[26:01.320 -> 26:04.200] yes, they pulled out part of a bird from the car.
[26:04.200 -> 26:07.840] Yeah. Significant performance,
[26:07.840 -> 26:11.400] maybe that's why he only had nine seconds lead.
[26:11.400 -> 26:17.880] If it was the whole, sorry to get scientific here, the whole torso of a bird, then clearly
[26:17.880 -> 26:22.720] it'd break, if it blocked a brake duct, then he wouldn't have finished. The brakes are
[26:22.720 -> 26:25.360] so on the edge and he wouldn't have finished. The brakes are so on the edge. That's kind of what I was thinking.
[26:25.360 -> 26:26.360] He wouldn't have finished.
[26:26.360 -> 26:31.480] They would have had to pit stop him and then someone would have to, you know.
[26:31.480 -> 26:32.480] Move it.
[26:32.480 -> 26:33.480] Get out.
[26:33.480 -> 26:38.600] But if it's only the wing, if it's only the wing, the section of the wing or.
[26:38.600 -> 26:39.600] Yeah, okay.
[26:39.600 -> 26:40.600] I mean, how specific do you want to get?
[26:40.600 -> 26:41.600] No, no, no.
[26:41.600 -> 26:42.600] I was just, I'm just curious.
[26:42.600 -> 26:43.600] I'm just curious.
[26:43.600 -> 26:45.960] Because, yeah, that really could have caused him problems.
[26:45.960 -> 26:47.960] I mean, if you hit, yeah, if you hit,
[26:47.960 -> 26:50.560] if you're gonna hit a bird, and like Ted said,
[26:50.560 -> 26:52.980] the bird's gone into lots of important parts of the car
[26:52.980 -> 26:55.520] that's gonna make it either overheat or whatever it is,
[26:55.520 -> 26:58.400] especially with the brakes that tend to overheat in Canada.
[26:58.400 -> 27:00.280] You're either gonna pit or not.
[27:00.280 -> 27:02.520] So it must have only been the tip of the wing
[27:02.520 -> 27:05.560] or something that really got, you know, real
[27:05.560 -> 27:06.560] damage into the car.
[27:06.560 -> 27:09.360] But I didn't look at that picture, so I can't help you there.
[27:09.360 -> 27:10.360] Okay, well, maybe, maybe, maybe.
[27:10.360 -> 27:11.360] We'll come back to you on that one.
[27:11.360 -> 27:12.360] Maybe don't.
[27:12.360 -> 27:13.360] We'll ask a few people in Austria.
[27:13.360 -> 27:16.600] Maybe Giampiero Lambiazzi can be more empathetic as to the fate of the bird.
[27:16.600 -> 27:17.600] Yes.
[27:17.600 -> 27:18.600] Max can say I've hit a bird.
[27:18.600 -> 27:20.760] Hubsie is an animal lover.
[27:20.760 -> 27:21.920] Maybe he's an animal lover.
[27:21.920 -> 27:22.920] Maybe that will get him.
[27:22.920 -> 27:23.920] Oh, Max.
[27:23.920 -> 27:24.920] Oh, I'm sorry.
[27:24.920 -> 27:27.960] Oh, that's Max. That's horrible. I'm so sorry for the bird
[27:28.560 -> 27:30.560] Yeah, all right
[27:31.760 -> 27:33.320] You know
[27:33.320 -> 27:38.540] Max would have said, you know, I've just hit a bird GP right what you're telling me for. Yeah
[27:43.440 -> 27:46.000] Yes, yeah, I haven't go on about that. They've got a great relationship, those two, haven't they? Yes. Maybe I haven't got a great relationship with GP.
[27:46.000 -> 27:48.960] He took warmly to you.
[27:48.960 -> 27:50.240] Mr. Empathy.
[27:50.240 -> 27:52.280] You do get the two halves of Max on the radio, don't you?
[27:52.280 -> 27:54.800] You do get his sort of, I'm moaning about lots of things,
[27:54.800 -> 27:56.480] and GP goes, okay, right.
[27:56.480 -> 27:57.760] And then you get the other one where he's laughing
[27:57.760 -> 27:59.800] about knocking himself out on a curb,
[27:59.800 -> 28:01.840] and you think, do you really think he's a race engineer?
[28:01.840 -> 28:04.000] At that point in the race, he wants to think about
[28:04.000 -> 28:05.240] your driver going over a curb,
[28:05.240 -> 28:06.800] and then laughing about it.
[28:06.800 -> 28:08.120] I mean, that's quite the flex,
[28:08.120 -> 28:10.480] so then crack on and win with a bird
[28:10.480 -> 28:11.560] hanging out your car as well.
[28:11.560 -> 28:12.400] Definitely.
[28:12.400 -> 28:14.320] Christian does call them an old married couple.
[28:14.320 -> 28:15.160] Oh, does he?
[28:15.160 -> 28:15.980] Yeah, yeah.
[28:16.880 -> 28:19.440] So, Formula Photography on Instagram has got a question,
[28:19.440 -> 28:21.400] and I don't think the answer to this is a bird,
[28:21.400 -> 28:23.000] but let's ask it anyway.
[28:23.000 -> 28:29.440] How come Max didn't pull a 20 plus second lead out like he has done at tracks in Spain or Miami? Is this the type of track, or is
[28:29.440 -> 28:35.760] Canada the type of track, that didn't suit Red Bull or are the cars behind slowly getting faster?
[28:35.760 -> 28:41.680] Where do you guys sit on this? Speck track didn't particularly suit Red Bull because it doesn't
[28:41.680 -> 28:47.160] have any fast corners and he didn't need to. Yeah, it's slow corners and longer straights,
[28:47.160 -> 28:48.480] and the tyres were struggling
[28:48.480 -> 28:50.880] for keeping any heat in them at all,
[28:50.880 -> 28:53.080] so Red Bull was struggling already with that.
[28:53.080 -> 28:54.920] And then the brakes were overheating as well.
[28:54.920 -> 28:56.700] So you'll see throughout the race,
[28:56.700 -> 28:59.400] there were sort of spikes with drivers doing a faster lap
[28:59.400 -> 29:00.320] and then a really slow lap,
[29:00.320 -> 29:01.520] because they could push,
[29:01.520 -> 29:02.840] and then they had to pull back on it
[29:02.840 -> 29:08.800] because the car started, you know, brakes overheatingating and various different things not working. So I think track
[29:08.800 -> 29:14.240] specific. But I also do think that we should not look down on the fact that these upgrades from
[29:14.240 -> 29:20.000] Aston and Mercedes are starting to come to life, whether that's true representation of like the
[29:20.000 -> 29:29.940] actual gap between Aston Martin and Mercedes to Red Bull. I don't think so. I think that would be track specific. But I think it does also show that we are closing up a little
[29:29.940 -> 29:33.060] bit on Red Bull. But I think mostly track specific.
[29:33.060 -> 29:37.520] Red Bull maybe not pushing flat out every lap, are they?
[29:37.520 -> 29:41.340] No, no. I mean, listen, he could win. He could have won any of the races so far this year
[29:41.340 -> 29:43.200] by a full lap if he'd won.
[29:43.200 -> 29:44.200] You think?
[29:44.200 -> 29:45.360] You think? Yeah.
[29:47.760 -> 29:49.760] Well that's a scary thought. Let's move it on. Not for him.
[29:55.200 -> 30:00.560] Let's talk about Red Bull's achievements of getting 100 wins because that by itself is a remarkable achievement. Only Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes and Williams are now ahead of them
[30:00.560 -> 30:04.800] and even more impressive when you think that they started the team in 2005.
[30:05.440 -> 30:09.680] Horner yesterday which had the stat up his sleeve which I thought was quite interesting.
[30:09.680 -> 30:12.080] He's always got a stat. He's always got a stat.
[30:12.080 -> 30:16.240] You notice he started to feed them into the team radio at the end towards Max.
[30:18.480 -> 30:21.440] I think he subscribes to the same stat service that we do.
[30:21.440 -> 30:28.160] Yeah probably. Gets all the text. But Red Bull have now won 27% of the races they've entered.
[30:28.160 -> 30:30.120] Oh yeah, that was a great stat.
[30:30.120 -> 30:31.520] Yeah, but that does go back to my,
[30:31.520 -> 30:34.560] well, there are 3,912 races per season,
[30:34.560 -> 30:36.640] so it doesn't really, you know.
[30:36.640 -> 30:38.440] But you still have to, you know,
[30:38.440 -> 30:40.000] especially, I think for them, the-
[30:40.000 -> 30:40.840] Oh, hang on, no.
[30:40.840 -> 30:41.880] If it's a percentage thing,
[30:41.880 -> 30:42.720] then that blows my thing out of the water, doesn't it?
[30:42.720 -> 30:43.540] Yeah, it does.
[30:43.540 -> 30:44.380] I didn't want to tell you.
[30:44.380 -> 30:45.100] Yeah, sorry, I'll shut up. No, you're right. No, you're right, yeah. It's thing out of water, doesn't it? Yeah, it does. I didn't want to tell you. Sorry, I'll shut up.
[30:45.100 -> 30:45.940] No, you're right.
[30:45.940 -> 30:46.780] No, you're right, yeah.
[30:46.780 -> 30:47.600] It's the point of percentages.
[30:47.600 -> 30:48.940] I was like, never mind.
[30:48.940 -> 30:49.780] Sorry, I'll shut up.
[30:49.780 -> 30:52.160] It's not just the straight man.
[30:52.160 -> 30:53.000] Anyway.
[30:53.000 -> 30:53.820] I'm off a plane.
[30:53.820 -> 30:55.840] You've had a long day.
[30:55.840 -> 30:57.780] You've had a very long day.
[30:57.780 -> 30:58.620] We'll give you that one.
[30:58.620 -> 30:59.680] Sorry.
[30:59.680 -> 31:03.240] Yeah, no, I think the fact is that the team are younger.
[31:03.240 -> 31:05.920] They only started in 2005 2005 and you can't take
[31:05.920 -> 31:11.400] away the amazing job that they've done. They've really dug in and they've had a lot of adversity
[31:11.400 -> 31:16.040] come towards them. Obviously, the controversy from last year to do with the cost cap and
[31:16.040 -> 31:21.320] things like that, they almost got made like the Red Bull, the villains coming into the
[31:21.320 -> 31:25.080] season and they've ignored all of that noise and just head down, coming into the season. And they haven't, you know, they've ignored all of that noise
[31:25.080 -> 31:28.000] and just head down, get the job done.
[31:28.000 -> 31:29.920] And they've done an amazing job.
[31:29.920 -> 31:32.680] And I mean, now that everyone's trying to steal their floor,
[31:32.680 -> 31:35.120] I think proves everything really, doesn't it?
[31:35.120 -> 31:36.080] And their people.
[31:36.080 -> 31:36.920] Yes.
[31:36.920 -> 31:39.840] They've got some, they've got a small amount of people going.
[31:39.840 -> 31:41.360] I mean, there's lots of movement
[31:41.360 -> 31:43.040] amongst all the people, actually.
[31:43.040 -> 31:44.120] There are people leaving Mercedes,
[31:44.120 -> 31:47.840] there are people leaving Ferrari, people going to Ferrari, people leaving McLaren, people going to McLaren.
[31:47.840 -> 31:48.840] So yeah, there is a bit.
[31:48.840 -> 31:52.440] But yeah, they show no sign of backing off any of those achievements.
[31:52.440 -> 31:54.440] But they've stuck with consistency as well.
[31:54.440 -> 31:56.440] Remember, Christian's been there for so long.
[31:56.440 -> 32:00.360] He's one of the longest standing team principals on the whole grid,
[32:00.360 -> 32:01.360] apart from France Toss.
[32:01.360 -> 32:04.840] I think actually Christian was there one year before France.
[32:04.840 -> 32:11.040] So they've kept with consistency and they've trusted Christian and you know Adrian Newey and
[32:11.040 -> 32:14.960] they've put their, they've made sure they've stuck and put all their eggs in that one basket
[32:14.960 -> 32:21.200] and waited for this team to be as incredible as it has, as it's now become. Their resurgence I
[32:21.200 -> 32:25.040] guess as well. And even through the passing of Dietrich Mateschitz,
[32:25.040 -> 32:27.000] and we'll talk about this probably when we get to Austria
[32:27.000 -> 32:28.800] in a couple of weeks time,
[32:28.800 -> 32:30.120] first race at the Red Bull ring
[32:30.120 -> 32:31.520] that he put so much money into
[32:31.520 -> 32:33.360] and refurbished and everything,
[32:33.360 -> 32:35.040] and first race since Dietrich Mateschitz
[32:35.040 -> 32:36.640] has not been in charge.
[32:36.640 -> 32:39.440] You know, even since the transformation
[32:39.440 -> 32:43.840] to Mark Mateschitz, who's now in charge of the whole thing,
[32:43.840 -> 32:45.000] and his three deputies, there's one person in charge of the whole thing and his three deputies.
[32:45.000 -> 32:50.360] There's one person in charge of Red Bull production, one charge of finance, and then this chap
[32:50.360 -> 32:57.400] called Oliver Mintzlaff, who's in charge of sporting and marketing, performances, no not
[32:57.400 -> 33:05.480] performances, things that Red Bull do, operations, which includes Alpha Tauri, which includes Alpha
[33:05.480 -> 33:10.800] Tauri and level racing. So even through the Mintzlaff era, Mintzlaff realises that they're
[33:10.800 -> 33:15.520] doing something right. What Mintzlaff might have a suggestion to change is the team who
[33:15.520 -> 33:21.720] are now last in the Constructors since Williams and Alex Albon's P7, which is Alpha Tauri.
[33:21.720 -> 33:26.560] And he'll think about this, what are we doing with a team that's first and last?
[33:26.560 -> 33:27.400] You know, what's going on there?
[33:27.400 -> 33:29.880] Yeah, we're not feeding juniors anymore necessarily
[33:29.880 -> 33:32.400] through Alfa Tauri into the Red Bull team.
[33:32.400 -> 33:35.000] I just want to, because it's 100 wins for Red Bull
[33:35.000 -> 33:36.040] and I think it's quite a nice opportunity
[33:36.040 -> 33:37.960] to look back at the history of Red Bull.
[33:37.960 -> 33:42.960] And Ted, I want to go back to 2005 when they first started.
[33:43.360 -> 33:46.240] James Blunt released You're Beautiful.
[33:46.240 -> 33:47.080] Right.
[33:47.080 -> 33:48.480] Spent six weeks at number one.
[33:48.480 -> 33:49.320] He was number one, yeah.
[33:49.320 -> 33:50.160] Yeah.
[33:50.160 -> 33:52.440] Where was Ted Kravitz in 2005?
[33:52.440 -> 33:53.400] Tell you where I was.
[33:53.400 -> 33:57.040] I was in a, in 2004,
[33:57.040 -> 34:01.560] I was in a passport queue at Milan's Linate Airport
[34:01.560 -> 34:02.800] at Monza.
[34:02.800 -> 34:08.280] And behind me in the passport queue was this guy, he's about 5ft7, sort
[34:08.280 -> 34:14.760] of ginger hair and I recognised him, I knew him because I know my stuff, as the F3000
[34:14.760 -> 34:20.460] team boss of Arden who ran various people with a bit of Red Bull signage, Christian
[34:20.460 -> 34:24.440] Horner. I knew he ran it with his dad. Did I say ginger hair?
[34:24.440 -> 34:25.040] Did I say ginger hair? Did I say ginger hair?
[34:25.040 -> 34:26.000] I did hear ginger hair.
[34:26.000 -> 34:27.840] Okay, I was trying to desperately think it was ginger.
[34:28.720 -> 34:29.920] He's got a slightly ginger hair.
[34:29.920 -> 34:32.720] He can go strawberry blonde maybe, yeah, but he's more, I would just say brown.
[34:32.720 -> 34:35.680] Well, I'd say, well, he's a bit, I don't want to get into specifics,
[34:35.680 -> 34:36.800] but he's a bit darker than Matt.
[34:36.800 -> 34:37.760] I'm often called strawberry blonde.
[34:37.760 -> 34:39.120] Okay, so you're definitely strawberry blonde.
[34:39.120 -> 34:40.480] But he's a bit darker than...
[34:40.480 -> 34:42.160] And we're going to agree to disagree on this one.
[34:42.160 -> 34:45.500] I can't believe we're getting nailed down to that specific detail of my story.
[34:45.500 -> 34:47.500] Sorry, go on, you saw him on the gig.
[34:47.500 -> 34:50.500] So Christian Horner, I didn't mention the dodgy leather jacket he was wearing.
[34:50.500 -> 34:52.500] Actually, I can't remember that detail, he wasn't.
[34:52.500 -> 34:54.500] I can't remember what colour his hair is.
[34:54.500 -> 34:57.500] I know what colour his hair is, it's a bit more grey now.
[34:57.500 -> 34:59.500] The reason I know is because he's the same age as me.
[34:59.500 -> 35:01.500] That's a depressing thought, isn't it?
[35:01.500 -> 35:05.000] He's head of a Grand Prix team that's won 100 Grand Prix's and how many
[35:05.000 -> 35:09.360] world championships? How many world championships have you not said? I'm sitting here in a t-shirt
[35:09.360 -> 35:14.480] bought for me by a racing driver. I don't even blame myself. Right, sorry. So behind
[35:14.480 -> 35:21.680] me was Christian Horner, boss of the Arden Formula 3000 team. We struck up conversation
[35:21.680 -> 35:25.400] and he said, yeah, I'm actually in Formula One next year.
[35:25.400 -> 35:27.680] I'm gonna be a team boss, a team boss.
[35:27.680 -> 35:29.680] And I was like, are you?
[35:29.680 -> 35:32.540] Okay, well done.
[35:34.400 -> 35:35.880] Really, you're my age.
[35:35.880 -> 35:37.720] Like, you know, back then we were.
[35:37.720 -> 35:38.560] So he would have been 30?
[35:38.560 -> 35:41.120] No, 31, 32.
[35:41.120 -> 35:45.040] He was 31 in 2004, I think, yes.
[35:45.040 -> 35:48.780] Yeah, because we were born in 1974, 1973, me and him.
[35:48.780 -> 35:52.480] So yeah, he would have been 30, 31.
[35:52.480 -> 35:55.720] I was like, okay, right, well, you know, good luck with that.
[35:55.720 -> 35:57.000] Oh, it's my turn for the passport, is it?
[35:57.000 -> 35:57.840] Right, okay.
[35:57.840 -> 36:01.680] But that was my memory of 2004, 2005.
[36:01.680 -> 36:04.400] Yeah, Claire, what about what Red Bull
[36:04.400 -> 36:05.880] have kind of done for Formula One?
[36:05.880 -> 36:10.720] I think Red Bull have, we've seen such a massive change in the Formula One paddock over the
[36:10.720 -> 36:16.120] last, I would say, five years even, with the introduction of Formula, of Drive to Survive
[36:16.120 -> 36:23.360] and things like that. And in general, the audience getting much younger and also plenty
[36:23.360 -> 36:26.040] more women and other people watching it as well. It's not
[36:26.040 -> 36:34.320] just specifically for men anymore, which is why we love it. I think Red Bull have always
[36:34.320 -> 36:38.360] kept people on their toes in a very different way. They don't maybe do things as traditionally
[36:38.360 -> 36:44.400] as the rest of the teams and they've made other teams maybe question what they're doing
[36:44.400 -> 36:45.880] and up their game and things
[36:45.880 -> 36:51.280] like that. I think they just add a bit of spice. I think they've just got a bit of spice
[36:51.280 -> 36:56.720] about them. And they're a bit different from a team like Ferrari, who keep themselves to
[36:56.720 -> 37:01.480] themselves a lot. And they're now branching out a bit more on social media and things.
[37:01.480 -> 37:05.100] Whereas Red Bull, the Red Bull brand in general is kind of cool anyway.
[37:05.100 -> 37:06.980] It's all the surfers and the snowboarders
[37:06.980 -> 37:07.820] and things like that.
[37:07.820 -> 37:09.220] So to bring that into Formula One,
[37:09.220 -> 37:12.620] I think did breathe a new different life into the paddock.
[37:12.620 -> 37:14.580] When you learned that Christian Horner
[37:14.580 -> 37:16.540] was gonna become a Formula One team principal,
[37:16.540 -> 37:17.380] did you ever, in your-
[37:17.380 -> 37:18.540] After they bought it from Jaguar Racing.
[37:18.540 -> 37:19.980] After they bought it from Jaguar.
[37:19.980 -> 37:21.660] Did you ever think in your wildest dreams
[37:21.660 -> 37:25.720] they would go on to get 100 Formula One wins
[37:25.720 -> 37:27.720] in the time it's taken?
[37:27.720 -> 37:31.480] I think I was thinking more about how long this passport queue is.
[37:31.480 -> 37:38.120] No, I mean it hadn't occurred to me, but he was clearly a guy who was smart and for him
[37:38.120 -> 37:44.880] to have the trust of Dietrich Matschitz at 31, 32, 33, and Dietrich Matschitz is a clever,
[37:44.880 -> 37:48.800] clever man, was a clever man.
[37:48.800 -> 37:53.080] I kind of thought and knew that it would be on the right track.
[37:53.080 -> 37:58.680] It was when he got Adrian Newey that everybody said, okay, this team and this guy is going
[37:58.680 -> 37:59.680] to go somewhere.
[37:59.680 -> 38:03.200] And 200th win for Adrian Newey as well.
[38:03.200 -> 38:05.280] Claire, what do you think,
[38:05.280 -> 38:06.440] I mean it's kind of an obvious question,
[38:06.440 -> 38:10.020] but how valuable is Adrian Newey to Red Bull Racing?
[38:11.200 -> 38:13.680] I mean, it was interesting actually.
[38:13.680 -> 38:17.680] I heard in an interview, who was doing the interview?
[38:17.680 -> 38:18.920] Caroon maybe, I can't remember who did it.
[38:18.920 -> 38:20.280] Yes, Caroon did it on Sunday.
[38:20.280 -> 38:22.360] And he was speaking to Adrian Newey,
[38:22.360 -> 38:26.300] and what I found really, it took me back a bit when
[38:26.300 -> 38:31.640] he said, my days are, I'm counting my days down rather than up now to when I'm going
[38:31.640 -> 38:32.640] to leave.
[38:32.640 -> 38:33.640] That was a strange comment.
[38:33.640 -> 38:40.220] I said it and I was like, a Formula One world of Red Bull without Adrian Newey, what does
[38:40.220 -> 38:41.920] that look like?
[38:41.920 -> 38:46.120] And so for me, I was like, well, I don't know what that would look like
[38:46.120 -> 38:49.280] because he's been so integral to their success
[38:49.280 -> 38:51.600] and the design and the concept of the car
[38:51.600 -> 38:55.200] and being, especially this season,
[38:55.200 -> 38:56.520] thinking really, and last season,
[38:56.520 -> 38:57.620] thinking outside of the box
[38:57.620 -> 38:59.360] in terms of what they were doing.
[38:59.360 -> 39:02.640] You just have to look at the pictures of the Monaco floor
[39:02.640 -> 39:03.920] compared to the Williams floor.
[39:03.920 -> 39:09.840] I don't know if you've seen those two comparisons, but it's incredible the detail of that floor compared to the Williams
[39:09.840 -> 39:14.800] floor. And you cannot take it away from Adrian Newey that he had so much to do with that.
[39:14.800 -> 39:19.520] And so even for me to even think, goodness, what does Red Bull look like without Adrian Newey if
[39:19.520 -> 39:30.440] his days are going down rather than up? A lot, is the answer to your question. He's had a lot to do with everything and he is, you know, integral to how the team moves forward. You'll always
[39:30.440 -> 39:33.720] see him on the grid, won't you? Checking out other cars, he's always checking the rear
[39:33.720 -> 39:37.440] of other cars and suddenly you see all the snappers around him going, oh, what's he taking
[39:37.440 -> 39:41.160] from that one? But he's always inquisitive and he's always looking, but I think it would
[39:41.160 -> 39:44.080] be, you know, a huge loss when we lose him.
[39:44.080 -> 39:47.820] Something that I always think about Adrian Newey is something he said at McLaren actually
[39:47.820 -> 39:53.660] a while ago. He says, as a creative person, and I thought, well, you're an engineer, but
[39:53.660 -> 39:58.440] I suppose you are a creative person, I always worry about where the next creative impulse
[39:58.440 -> 40:03.300] is going to come from. And much like us, Matthew, thinking about what features we're going to
[40:03.300 -> 40:05.200] put in the next week's show
[40:14.240 -> 40:22.000] in our 3,850th race per season, we do think about sometimes where the next creative impulse is going to come from, with your running order there. And I like that from Eiji Niu is that he does wonder
[40:22.000 -> 40:28.780] where is that, and he's thinking, I hope that doesn't dry up. You know that I don't have a thought about that break duct you know the seagull proof
[40:28.780 -> 40:32.900] break duct and you know I'm going to design that next week.
[40:32.900 -> 40:34.700] Yeah, you probably will actually.
[40:34.700 -> 40:35.700] Yeah, yeah.
[40:35.700 -> 40:42.620] I mean he's famous isn't he for drawing with a pencil. That's kind of in an age of technology
[40:42.620 -> 40:46.080] and computer aided design him and his pencil are kind of synonymous
[40:46.080 -> 40:47.960] and whatever in Formula 1.
[40:47.960 -> 40:50.120] Which I think is good because you can get tied,
[40:50.120 -> 40:52.080] not that I know anything about doing the NCFD,
[40:52.080 -> 40:54.800] but apparently there are shapes that you can do
[40:54.800 -> 40:58.600] and ideas that you can have which are easier drawn
[40:58.600 -> 40:59.880] on a drawing board with a pencil
[40:59.880 -> 41:03.240] and some slide-curve rulers.
[41:03.240 -> 41:06.280] But what he does then is then give those drawings
[41:06.280 -> 41:09.240] to a trusted lieutenant, who then puts them
[41:09.240 -> 41:13.400] into CAD, Computer Aided Design.
[41:13.400 -> 41:15.320] So it does get into the computer at one point.
[41:15.320 -> 41:15.800] Yes.
[41:15.800 -> 41:18.200] Someone was taking photos of it and like tracing it back.
[41:18.200 -> 41:19.680] Not soaring carbon fiber are they
[41:19.680 -> 41:21.720] at Red Bull headquarters, no.
[41:21.720 -> 41:22.400] Well, very good.
[41:22.400 -> 41:24.200] OK, so we'll see what happens.
[41:24.200 -> 41:27.200] Hopefully, Adrian Newey is around for more time to come.
[41:27.200 -> 41:43.840] During the race yesterday was Lando Norris and his, well, unsportsmanlike behaviour.
[41:43.840 -> 41:45.760] Sinviltron on Instagram would like to know, what does unsportsmanlike behavior. Sinviltron on Instagram would like to know,
[41:45.760 -> 41:47.680] what does unsportsmanlike behavior mean?
[41:47.680 -> 41:49.600] And what did Lando do to warrant it?
[41:49.600 -> 41:50.320] Okay, right.
[41:50.320 -> 41:53.680] Let's clear this up because I have some new news
[41:55.440 -> 41:57.840] from the FIA as to why this was.
[41:57.840 -> 42:00.240] So I believe, and if you look at your sporting regulations,
[42:00.240 -> 42:02.720] I know you all have saved on your computers and phones,
[42:02.720 -> 42:04.400] readily available while you're watching the race,
[42:04.400 -> 42:08.400] and go to article 56, I think it is safety cars, or is it 55?
[42:08.400 -> 42:14.920] And go to 55.5, and it says no car, it's a sort of catch-all phrase for doing what Lando
[42:14.920 -> 42:20.840] did, which is that no car can be driven unnecessarily slowly under a safety car.
[42:20.840 -> 42:27.200] Now, in previous years, if, you know, so what Lando was trying to do was when cars
[42:27.200 -> 42:33.260] are running one, two on the road in the same team, sorry, to make that clear, and they
[42:33.260 -> 42:37.960] want both to pit, then it doesn't make any sense for them to follow each other around
[42:37.960 -> 42:42.560] very closely, come into the pits together, one guy gets serviced comes out while the
[42:42.560 -> 42:45.120] other guy waits and loses loads of time for two reasons.
[42:45.120 -> 42:47.920] First of all, that other guy loses loads of time. Secondly, he blocks the other
[42:48.440 -> 42:52.640] driver downstream in the pit lane, their pit box, so it's just not practical.
[42:53.320 -> 42:55.560] And thirdly, it doesn't give the mechanics
[42:55.760 -> 43:00.320] chance to get the old tyres out the way and get the new tyres in. So there's many reasons, three reasons,
[43:00.480 -> 43:05.280] why you don't come in line of stern if you're running 11th and 12th, I think they
[43:05.280 -> 43:12.040] were at the time on 9th and 10th. So Lando dropped back a bit to allow himself a bit
[43:12.040 -> 43:16.360] of time for Oscar to come in, get serviced, I think it was that way around, and so that
[43:16.360 -> 43:21.400] he wouldn't block anybody. So there's no 10 car lengths, that's not the rule, that's only
[43:21.400 -> 43:25.180] for the leader in. It's driving unnecessarily slowly.
[43:25.180 -> 43:29.520] But the reason the FIA did Lando under the sporting code
[43:29.520 -> 43:32.920] on unsportsmanlike behavior is that they felt this was
[43:34.960 -> 43:39.960] done in such a way as to disadvantage the people behind him
[43:40.520 -> 43:43.080] and in a sort of unfair sporting way.
[43:43.080 -> 43:45.200] They gave a precedent for Giancarlo Fissa Keller
[43:45.200 -> 43:52.300] I think in 2005 when this was last done straight away. Someone was there saying well we did this some almost 20 years ago
[43:52.840 -> 43:54.540] 18 years ago
[43:54.540 -> 43:56.540] with Fissey remember him
[43:57.440 -> 44:04.080] And so they felt it was done in a way that they would rather and I think it was the stewards choice
[44:05.320 -> 44:10.880] it was done in a way that they would rather, and I think it was the stewards choice, to do Lando under, for unsportsmanlike behaviour, rather than a breach of 55-5, which is going
[44:10.880 -> 44:12.380] unnecessarily slowly.
[44:12.380 -> 44:13.880] Would both have been the same penalty?
[44:13.880 -> 44:14.880] I don't know.
[44:14.880 -> 44:15.880] Maybe.
[44:15.880 -> 44:19.120] It's up to the stewards to decide which penalty it is.
[44:19.120 -> 44:22.920] But if you're, I think that was my question in the race.
[44:22.920 -> 44:26.640] I was like, well, why not do him for going unnecessarily slowly, which he was, to gain
[44:26.640 -> 44:27.720] a competitive advantage?
[44:27.720 -> 44:33.000] The FIA say, well, he was gaining a competitive advantage in such a way that was detrimental
[44:33.000 -> 44:37.760] to the principle of sporting fairness in Formula One, and they want to crack down on it.
[44:37.760 -> 44:43.540] So I think it was laying somewhat of a marker in the sand, even though it would probably
[44:43.540 -> 44:45.600] have amounted to the same penalty.
[44:45.600 -> 44:46.880] What do you think, Claire?
[44:46.880 -> 44:48.960] What was your reaction when you saw unsportsmanlike
[44:48.960 -> 44:50.720] behavior in the pop-up on the graphic?
[44:50.720 -> 44:51.880] Well, my first reaction was,
[44:51.880 -> 44:53.940] why are we still calling it unsportsman?
[44:53.940 -> 44:58.640] It should just be unsporting, because women drive too,
[44:58.640 -> 44:59.480] was my first thought.
[44:59.480 -> 45:01.600] My second thought was, eh?
[45:01.600 -> 45:06.720] Because I didn't really understand what was, I was like, I haven't heard that.
[45:06.720 -> 45:11.040] And then I was racking my brain thinking, have I heard that phrase before being used
[45:11.040 -> 45:15.840] in recent times? And it's kind of got covered by, you know, sometimes there's lots of words
[45:15.840 -> 45:20.140] you get from, from, from when we get the documents that come through of the reason for why they've
[45:20.140 -> 45:23.600] been given something. And sometimes you skim over the certain bit to see how, how, you
[45:23.600 -> 45:26.560] know, five second or whatever it is. So I thought, well, maybe I just, you know, missed
[45:26.560 -> 45:31.040] the fact that someone's had this before. And then I think it took some time for everyone
[45:31.040 -> 45:34.160] to kind of explain it on broadcast and things like that for exactly what it was.
[45:35.120 -> 45:41.760] And I agree with you, just give the penalty for what it was. We all saw that, you know,
[45:41.760 -> 45:45.320] it was for, not impeding, but it was for slowing down other people and
[45:45.320 -> 45:50.800] it's I guess sort of impeding, but there is a specific rule for it. So use the specific
[45:50.800 -> 45:53.680] rule for it for the penalty would be my thoughts.
[45:53.680 -> 45:57.320] And note that it was on the sports person, not for sporting.
[45:57.320 -> 46:06.160] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because Lando's reaction was, well, hang on, loads of other people have done, have backed up.
[46:06.160 -> 46:14.820] And so as not to have potentially satisfied the tolerances for driving unnecessarily slowly
[46:14.820 -> 46:19.220] or not driving unnecessarily slowly, but to give themselves a bit of a margin.
[46:19.220 -> 46:26.080] And Lando could have argued if it had gone to a hearing after the race, that he didn't want to inconvenience
[46:27.080 -> 46:29.860] Alfa Romeo Sauber who were behind them in,
[46:29.860 -> 46:30.800] yes, they are.
[46:30.800 -> 46:34.180] It's Sauber who are behind McLaren in the pit box.
[46:34.180 -> 46:36.700] And if they were gonna bring in Joe or Bottas,
[46:36.700 -> 46:39.700] then he didn't wanna be there waiting, blocking their way.
[46:39.700 -> 46:40.900] I don't know if he had an excuse.
[46:40.900 -> 46:42.520] To be honest, the excuse doesn't really matter.
[46:42.520 -> 46:44.860] It happened and you can tell that he slowed down on track.
[46:44.860 -> 46:46.480] So that's sort of like, okay, you've gotta take your penalty for that. And his excuse that loads of other, the excuse doesn't really matter, it happened and you can tell that he slowed down on track. So that's sort of like, okay, you've got to take your penalty.
[46:46.480 -> 46:49.120] And his excuse that loads of other people are doing it doesn't matter either.
[46:49.120 -> 46:54.400] Yeah, also an excuse. But it does sort of make you kind of go, do you remember when Steiner was
[46:54.400 -> 47:00.400] talking about having consistent stewards in Spain off the back of an incident that happened in
[47:00.400 -> 47:05.600] Monaco? And it's that question again of the inconsistency in terms of maybe
[47:05.600 -> 47:11.800] how some of the penalties come through. You know, it's never the same. And I remember
[47:11.800 -> 47:15.680] seeing something else of someone saying, well, what about the Hamilton Alonso in the pit
[47:15.680 -> 47:19.760] lane? You know, that was quite close. Why didn't that one get a penalty? And actually
[47:19.760 -> 47:21.520] it wasn't as close as when you saw it again.
[47:21.520 -> 47:22.520] Yeah, the camera was...
[47:22.520 -> 47:23.520] Yeah, the camera...
[47:23.520 -> 47:24.520] Well, and Alonso did...
[47:24.520 -> 47:26.600] Well, you were in the building.
[47:26.600 -> 47:30.600] I didn't see it because I was down at McLaren, but Alonso did have to, I think he did have
[47:30.600 -> 47:31.600] to break.
[47:31.600 -> 47:33.120] Yeah, he was straight on the radio, wasn't he?
[47:33.120 -> 47:34.240] Anyway, no, you're right.
[47:34.240 -> 47:39.520] But also, you know, talk about Gunter Steiner.
[47:39.520 -> 47:43.320] When Gunter brought it up after Monaco, he was then penalised.
[47:43.320 -> 47:44.520] He was censured.
[47:44.520 -> 47:48.360] He was given a... He was censured by the FIA for speaking out
[47:48.360 -> 47:52.680] about it in a kind of misunderstanding of the word layman.
[47:52.680 -> 47:55.700] Layman was what they didn't like about it.
[47:55.700 -> 48:03.120] So McLaren have learnt from that and McLaren were very keen not to say anything about the
[48:03.120 -> 48:06.640] Lando penalty lest they get a reprimand
[48:06.640 -> 48:10.560] from the FIA. So teams are terrified of speaking out.
[48:10.560 -> 48:12.560] Will Joseph said we'll talk about it after.
[48:12.560 -> 48:13.560] Yeah, yeah.
[48:13.560 -> 48:14.560] And is that healthy?
[48:14.560 -> 48:20.400] Yeah, Andrea Sella did talk about it afterwards, I think briefly, but I don't think it was
[48:20.400 -> 48:22.760] anything like we're going to take it up with the FIA.
[48:22.760 -> 48:29.200] And if the teams aren't feeling like they can say anything about the FIA without getting called before the stewards themselves
[48:29.200 -> 48:36.720] for afters like Gunter was, then is it incumbent for the media to ask the questions? I suppose it is.
[48:36.720 -> 48:41.440] Yeah. All right, before we go, we must talk about the news last week that the W Series has entered
[48:41.440 -> 48:50.520] administration after failing to secure funding to continue. You'll of course remember that in 2022 the championship ended three races early. Now
[48:50.520 -> 48:54.000] Claire and Ted, you've both worked on the championship, disappointing news.
[48:54.000 -> 48:56.600] We were founding media people.
[48:56.600 -> 48:57.600] Were you?
[48:57.600 -> 48:58.600] In 2019, yeah.
[48:58.600 -> 48:59.600] We were founding media people.
[48:59.600 -> 49:03.240] So there you go. So I mean, you, well, tell me your reaction, Claire, first of all, what
[49:03.240 -> 49:05.200] was your reaction when you heard the news?
[49:06.100 -> 49:08.900] Disappointment, but not surprising at this point,
[49:08.900 -> 49:11.280] because we've heard everything that's been going on.
[49:11.280 -> 49:13.120] I actually heard it through one of the drivers
[49:13.120 -> 49:15.800] who I've been very lucky to stay in contact with.
[49:15.800 -> 49:18.440] They've got some great drivers in that championship.
[49:19.440 -> 49:22.420] It's disappointing, but we mustn't forget
[49:22.420 -> 49:24.720] what W Series has done for women in motorsport
[49:24.720 -> 49:28.100] and for just letting people see
[49:28.100 -> 49:30.240] that women can be on track as well.
[49:30.240 -> 49:32.920] And it was a lot of, if you remember the beginning,
[49:32.920 -> 49:35.080] there was a lot of controversy that came from,
[49:35.080 -> 49:37.520] you know, segregation of the two women and the, you know,
[49:37.520 -> 49:39.120] the women on one side and the men on one side.
[49:39.120 -> 49:40.300] And that wasn't what it was about.
[49:40.300 -> 49:42.700] It was about showing women's faces in the paddock.
[49:42.700 -> 49:45.000] It was about really explaining to people
[49:45.000 -> 49:46.360] that women are talented.
[49:46.360 -> 49:50.920] They just need to have the same steps up that the men have,
[49:50.920 -> 49:53.160] whether that's to do with sponsorship, funding,
[49:53.160 -> 49:54.760] just people giving them a chance.
[49:54.760 -> 49:58.120] And W Series has been integral in helping women
[49:58.120 -> 49:59.520] become in the limelight
[49:59.520 -> 50:02.280] and become racing drivers in their own rights.
[50:02.280 -> 50:03.920] You look at Jamie Chabwick,
[50:03.920 -> 50:05.640] obviously she's won the championship a couple of times
[50:05.640 -> 50:08.120] and she's out racing in the Indy Lights now.
[50:09.120 -> 50:11.400] Abbey Pulling, we've got F1 Academy now,
[50:11.400 -> 50:13.040] which would never have happened.
[50:13.040 -> 50:14.400] Let's remember that would not have happened
[50:14.400 -> 50:15.900] without W Series, I truly believe that,
[50:15.900 -> 50:18.960] because it gave everyone a reason to say,
[50:18.960 -> 50:21.800] we need to support people in motorsport.
[50:21.800 -> 50:26.800] And for me, W Series has done what it set out to do,
[50:27.300 -> 50:31.100] which was give women a safe space to be in motorsport.
[50:31.100 -> 50:34.140] And the fact that, you know, things like Drive to Survive
[50:34.140 -> 50:39.140] has allowed more women to be part of motorsport,
[50:40.520 -> 50:42.280] to then see women involved in it as well,
[50:42.280 -> 50:43.120] it's just so different.
[50:43.120 -> 50:45.160] Obviously we're waiting to see Formula One to have more women involved in it as well is just so different. Obviously, we're waiting to see Formula One
[50:45.160 -> 50:47.680] to have more women involved in that,
[50:47.680 -> 50:50.320] but we are seeing Naomi, part of your team.
[50:50.320 -> 50:53.200] She is incredible at what she does,
[50:53.200 -> 50:55.400] and she got that chance
[50:55.400 -> 50:58.200] because she was showcased in W Series.
[50:58.200 -> 51:00.440] And Alice Powell, she's on Channel 4 now.
[51:00.440 -> 51:01.960] You know, there's all these people
[51:01.960 -> 51:05.100] that we never have heard from before.
[51:05.100 -> 51:07.340] But if anything, it shows as well, W Series,
[51:07.340 -> 51:09.080] it shows how much we still have to do.
[51:09.080 -> 51:11.480] If you look at the rules and regulations of Formula One
[51:11.480 -> 51:12.920] and the language that is used,
[51:12.920 -> 51:15.800] it's only ever referred to a driver as he.
[51:17.080 -> 51:18.320] Sportsman-like behaviour.
[51:18.320 -> 51:19.160] Sportsman-like behaviour.
[51:19.160 -> 51:20.000] As they literally this weekend, yeah.
[51:20.000 -> 51:21.520] From my understanding and my reading,
[51:21.520 -> 51:24.040] I can't find one mention of woman or her
[51:24.040 -> 51:25.920] in any of those regulations.
[51:25.920 -> 51:27.440] It's a really easy fix.
[51:27.440 -> 51:29.400] And it's not just for women, it's for non-binary,
[51:29.400 -> 51:32.140] it's for lots of different people out there
[51:32.140 -> 51:35.520] to not have to feel it's just a he they're speaking to,
[51:35.520 -> 51:37.640] you know, him coming into the pit lane or whatever it is.
[51:37.640 -> 51:40.000] They also mentioned cameraman, you know, camera person.
[51:40.000 -> 51:42.240] It's not hard to just make it more inclusive.
[51:42.240 -> 51:44.640] So I think there are lots of things we still need to do,
[51:44.640 -> 51:47.200] but W-Series helped really take a massive step for women,
[51:47.200 -> 51:48.040] I think.
[51:48.040 -> 51:48.880] Yeah.
[51:48.880 -> 51:51.040] I absolutely agree.
[51:51.040 -> 51:56.040] And let's, you know, the F1 Academy thing at the moment
[51:56.080 -> 51:58.600] is, as you say, wouldn't have happened without W-Series,
[51:58.600 -> 52:02.040] is carrying on and is providing that
[52:06.640 -> 52:08.200] springboard, I guess, for female talent to come in.
[52:08.200 -> 52:17.440] But let's not forget, F1 Academy needs 150,000 euros
[52:17.440 -> 52:19.320] from each driver.
[52:19.320 -> 52:24.660] And another 150,000 euros is matched from Formula 1
[52:24.660 -> 52:27.760] into the racing teams, and that enables them to go racing.
[52:27.760 -> 52:31.660] W Series was free for anybody who was good enough,
[52:31.660 -> 52:33.180] any driver who was good enough to enter.
[52:33.180 -> 52:36.200] Not only was it free, it paid prize money.
[52:36.200 -> 52:40.440] It was a paid job and all you had to do as a driver,
[52:40.440 -> 52:43.600] whether you're Bruno Tomaselli from Brazil
[52:43.600 -> 52:46.820] or Bianca Bustamante from the Philippines,
[52:46.820 -> 52:47.660] she's from the Philippines.
[52:47.660 -> 52:49.080] She's from the Philippines, yeah.
[52:49.080 -> 52:53.400] Was to get yourself to your local international airport,
[52:53.400 -> 52:55.520] Sao Paolo or Manila or wherever,
[52:55.520 -> 52:58.760] and W Series would fly you to the races,
[52:58.760 -> 52:59.880] you know, which is a big thing.
[52:59.880 -> 53:04.120] And they'd pay you, so you'd get prize money for winning,
[53:04.120 -> 53:06.160] which Jamie Chadwick did of course those three times, so you'd get prize money for winning, which Jamie Chadwick did, of course, those three times,
[53:06.160 -> 53:08.640] and then down to participation money,
[53:08.640 -> 53:10.760] and all your meals and all of that.
[53:10.760 -> 53:13.920] So that's a key difference, and it's one of opportunity.
[53:13.920 -> 53:16.200] And that was as well as the things that,
[53:16.200 -> 53:18.160] I mean, I got involved with W Series at the beginning
[53:18.160 -> 53:19.760] because they were good people.
[53:19.760 -> 53:21.960] Catherine von Muren, her whole team there,
[53:22.880 -> 53:29.800] and it was nice to work with good people like yourself and everybody, you know, on the TV side. And it was it was good. It was good team. And
[53:29.800 -> 53:33.460] it was good people. And I believed in it. And it was that opportunity of giving people
[53:33.460 -> 53:37.160] like Alice Powell, who'd done very well in her previous career, had fell on fallen out
[53:37.160 -> 53:40.480] because she couldn't afford to keep going like Jess Hawkins, it didn't have the money
[53:40.480 -> 53:44.680] to keep going like Abby Eaton, who'd embarked on another career doing the stunt driving
[53:44.680 -> 53:50.080] for the Grand Tour, you know, but but wanted get back into single-seater. For Fabian Volvend,
[53:50.080 -> 53:54.400] you know, for Emma Kimmelainen who'd left motorsport, started a family, came back in,
[53:54.400 -> 54:00.160] was absolutely top, top draw. Miki Koyama from, you know, from Japan who'd been backed by Honda
[54:00.160 -> 54:04.080] but hadn't sort of fallen out. You know, there were all these amazing stories of how these
[54:04.080 -> 54:08.320] incredible women racing drivers hadn't quite got the brakes that maybe some male
[54:08.320 -> 54:13.900] counterparts would have been able to. And W Series gave them the opportunity to get
[54:13.900 -> 54:18.940] in there and show what they could do. And that was just what I think, you know, and
[54:18.940 -> 54:24.700] the youngsters, Abby Pulling. Now Abby Pulling can afford to do the F1 Academy because Alpine
[54:24.700 -> 54:25.800] are sponsoring her
[54:25.800 -> 54:26.960] and she's got backing.
[54:26.960 -> 54:30.800] So what we need, and this was a question I asked Lewis Hamilton, because Lewis Hamilton,
[54:30.800 -> 54:34.680] to my almost certain knowledge, was the only driver who bothered to come down to the W
[54:34.680 -> 54:35.680] Series paddock.
[54:35.680 -> 54:36.920] I don't think any of the others did.
[54:36.920 -> 54:37.920] Not to my knowledge.
[54:37.920 -> 54:50.000] And I asked him on Friday, Thursday, what he felt still needed to be done to continue the work of W Series.
[54:50.000 -> 54:56.040] And he was looking at companies coming in. And I don't think W Series were too far away.
[54:56.040 -> 55:01.520] I don't think you're talking about tens of millions of pounds that W Series fell short
[55:01.520 -> 55:05.960] by. It was certainly not multiple tens of millions.
[55:05.960 -> 55:08.560] In the grand scheme of F1 sponsorships and stuff
[55:08.560 -> 55:10.160] that's going on, the amount of money
[55:10.160 -> 55:12.320] that's in F1 at the moment, it wouldn't
[55:12.320 -> 55:15.480] have been much for one of the sponsors or somebody
[55:15.480 -> 55:18.360] to have thrown W Series the lifeline.
[55:18.360 -> 55:20.880] And maybe in administration, it might yet still.
[55:20.880 -> 55:21.440] We don't know.
[55:21.440 -> 55:23.040] Dave Ryan's still got the cars.
[55:23.040 -> 55:24.480] The cars are available.
[55:24.480 -> 55:28.200] They could, through the administration process, I know the administrators have talked about
[55:28.200 -> 55:32.640] how they want to keep it going as a going concern, if at all possible, maybe it could
[55:32.640 -> 55:33.640] still carry on.
[55:33.640 -> 55:37.640] But if there wasn't too much money that was still needed, and Lewis was talking about
[55:37.640 -> 55:41.280] that just needs to be this commitment, you know, put your money where your mouth is.
[55:41.280 -> 55:46.060] All these people who want to carry on the cause of female
[55:46.060 -> 55:47.060] drivers in F1.
[55:47.060 -> 55:50.700] And maybe it'll take five years, maybe it'll take 10 years, but we will get a female Formula
[55:50.700 -> 55:51.700] One driver.
[55:51.700 -> 55:55.540] We need to stop putting a time scale on it, because that's not how it works.
[55:55.540 -> 56:00.620] Because it starts from the grassroots, it starts from the very bottom, and it also starts
[56:00.620 -> 56:01.620] from the very top.
[56:01.620 -> 56:07.920] The mindset and the change of how we get more people that are not just males into motorsport.
[56:07.920 -> 56:12.000] That has to come from both the bottom and the top, because the top people are giving
[56:12.000 -> 56:15.920] the people at the bottom the money, and then the grassroot is why we get, you know, people
[56:15.920 -> 56:19.080] coming through in a different way.
[56:19.080 -> 56:30.320] It just, it made women more competitive and less, less like a joke, you know, because so many people in sport like to
[56:30.320 -> 56:34.400] throw around the word princess, you know, when someone, it was the other day I heard someone,
[56:34.400 -> 56:38.640] a sports person, call another sports person princess, and it's like, well, how is that an
[56:38.640 -> 56:44.880] insult? You know, that's just a woman, you know, so it's all about changing this language and things
[56:44.880 -> 56:45.600] like that.
[56:45.600 -> 56:46.840] And I think W Series was really integral
[56:46.840 -> 56:49.100] in being part of that change that we've seen.
[56:49.100 -> 56:51.080] And hopefully it's waking people up
[56:51.080 -> 56:52.440] and making them realise
[56:52.440 -> 56:55.040] that they don't only just know about motorsport,
[56:55.040 -> 56:57.680] they can race, they can be pundits,
[56:57.680 -> 57:01.080] they can be commentators, they can change the sport.
[57:01.080 -> 57:02.560] There's enough room for everybody
[57:02.560 -> 57:03.520] to be involved in this sport.
[57:03.520 -> 57:05.520] And it was just about changing those mindsets.
[57:05.520 -> 57:07.420] Yeah, and actually, to that point,
[57:07.420 -> 57:09.020] it's not just about the drivers.
[57:09.020 -> 57:11.000] It's about all the girls that would have seen
[57:11.000 -> 57:13.540] the W Series, put it on TV, watched it,
[57:13.540 -> 57:15.440] at the races, and might then, yeah, you're right,
[57:15.440 -> 57:18.780] go on to be journalists, or go on to be camera operatives,
[57:18.780 -> 57:22.960] or anything within the Formula One sphere, managers.
[57:22.960 -> 57:24.660] You know, there's so many jobs in Formula One,
[57:24.660 -> 57:25.120] and the legacy of W Series might only become clear anything within the Formula One sphere manages, you know, there's so many jobs in Formula One and
[57:25.120 -> 57:30.480] the legacy of W Series might only become clear in five years time or ten years time when people say,
[57:30.480 -> 57:35.360] oh yeah, I watched W Series that year and I saw it and I wanted to do that.
[57:35.360 -> 57:38.480] If girls and women can't see it happening, why would they try and be it?
[57:38.480 -> 57:38.960] Yeah.
[57:38.960 -> 57:44.080] Abby Eaton made the point, I think this weekend on her social media, which is saying she's still now,
[57:43.800 -> 57:51.720] made the point, I think this weekend on her social media, which is saying she's still now, even though W Series hasn't raced for almost a year, has young kids, girls coming
[57:51.720 -> 57:56.200] up to her and saying, oh, you know, you were the one I saw you racing. And I didn't know
[57:56.200 -> 58:07.440] that women could be racing drivers. My own daughters watched it and said, oh, right. And why is right. Can they be racing drivers?
[58:07.440 -> 58:08.440] It's why it's so important.
[58:08.440 -> 58:11.280] My four year old watched it and was like, I didn't know, she didn't know.
[58:11.280 -> 58:13.400] This is the thing, it's so important.
[58:13.400 -> 58:17.040] That's why these things like the regulations of just saying he need to be changed,
[58:17.040 -> 58:19.360] because if you're not making it a welcoming place for women
[58:19.360 -> 58:22.840] and that paddock is not safe for women to come into, why would they bother?
[58:23.160 -> 58:26.520] As a written journalist, there are so few of us
[58:26.520 -> 58:28.880] that are women, to the point where, I remember,
[58:28.880 -> 58:31.400] we came into a press conference with Mercedes once,
[58:31.400 -> 58:33.280] and Lewis looked at me, and he looked around the room,
[58:33.280 -> 58:34.920] and he went, where are all the women?
[58:34.920 -> 58:37.600] And I was like, I keep asking this question.
[58:37.600 -> 58:39.400] You know, and it's obvious.
[58:39.400 -> 58:41.080] It's me and a bunch of blokes.
[58:41.080 -> 58:42.360] It's pretty shocking, actually.
[58:42.360 -> 58:44.160] I mean, there's Rebecca Clancy from The Times.
[58:44.160 -> 58:45.040] Yes. And yourself, and that's... Yeah, it's Rebecca Clancy from the Times. Yes.
[58:45.040 -> 58:46.920] And yourself, and that's...
[58:46.920 -> 58:49.000] Yeah, there's a few others that kind of dip in and out.
[58:49.000 -> 58:51.440] The Celia Ruhl from German...
[58:51.440 -> 58:52.280] Bin...
[58:53.920 -> 58:54.800] Yeah, she's German.
[58:54.800 -> 58:55.640] Bild.
[58:55.640 -> 58:57.000] Yeah.
[58:57.000 -> 58:58.840] From the German newspaper Bild.
[59:00.840 -> 59:01.960] And there is a few that come in and out.
[59:01.960 -> 59:03.320] Three, four, five.
[59:03.320 -> 59:05.400] But more often than not, not enough.
[59:05.400 -> 59:07.880] You get a couple of local journos and stuff, not enough.
[59:07.880 -> 59:10.240] If you are into motorsport and you want to do it
[59:10.240 -> 59:11.480] and you want to be an F1 journo,
[59:11.480 -> 59:13.760] please fight hard because you can get there.
[59:13.760 -> 59:15.600] Well, come to Sky, because we've got,
[59:15.600 -> 59:20.600] Natalie, we had an all female presenting and pundit lineup
[59:21.800 -> 59:25.300] and commentating lineup in Spain and almost
[59:25.300 -> 59:29.440] here yeah yeah yeah Natalie and Naomi were presenting yeah and then it was
[59:29.440 -> 59:38.340] Rachel yeah yeah very important yeah yeah well look progress so we can hope
[59:38.340 -> 59:42.500] for and yeah we might yet see the the legacy of W series evolve that's what
[59:42.500 -> 59:45.640] we've got time for but thank you very much for your company. Thank you, Ted.
[59:45.640 -> 59:46.800] Go get some sleep.
[59:48.800 -> 59:50.520] Go home and go get some sleep.
[59:50.520 -> 59:52.400] Claire, you don't need sleep necessarily,
[59:52.400 -> 59:53.920] but go home and sleep anyway.
[59:53.920 -> 59:55.440] Yeah, yeah, it's free.
[59:55.440 -> 59:56.480] Right, thank you very much for your time.
[59:56.480 -> 59:57.320] Appreciate it.
[59:57.320 -> 59:58.400] We'll be back next Tuesday.
[59:58.400 -> None] See you then. you you