Australian Grand Prix CHAOS: Are F1 putting show business before sport?

Matt Baker, Ted Kravitz and Tommo join us for our latest pod. They debate whether there is enough transparency around red flags (17:53), if Carlos Sainz's penalty was too extreme (24:44) and whether Red Bull's 'weakness' has been exposed (35:49).

# Formula One Australian Grand Prix Podcast Episode Recap: Controversy, Red Flags, and Driver Perspectives

**Synopsis:**

The Sky Sports F1 Podcast delves into the dramatic Australian Grand Prix, marked by chaos, confusion, and three red flags. Hosts Matt Baker, Ted Kravitz, and Tommo discuss the controversies surrounding the race, the impact of red flags, and the drivers' perspectives on the events.

**Key Points:**

* **Red Flag Usage:** The podcast team debates whether the race officials employed red flags appropriately, considering the incidents on track. Ted Kravitz argues that the red flags were justified due to the safety concerns posed by gravel, debris, and the need for track cleanup. However, some drivers expressed frustration, questioning the necessity of certain red flags, particularly the first one for Alexander Albon's crash.

* **Transparency and Communication:** The podcast highlights the lack of transparency and clear communication regarding red flag decisions. Drivers and fans alike were left confused about the rationale behind the red flags and the subsequent restarts. The team emphasizes the need for improved communication from race control to provide clarity and avoid speculation.

* **Carlos Sainz's Penalty:** The controversial penalty imposed on Carlos Sainz for a safety car infringement during the race is analyzed. The podcast team discusses whether the penalty was too harsh, considering the circumstances and the lack of a clear advantage gained by Sainz. The incident sparked debate among fans and raised questions about the consistency of penalty decisions.

* **Red Bull's Dominance:** The podcast acknowledges Red Bull's continued dominance in the sport, with Max Verstappen securing another victory. However, the team notes that Red Bull's apparent weakness in tire management and vulnerability to strategic decisions were exposed during the race. This could potentially open up opportunities for other teams to challenge Red Bull's supremacy in future races.

* **Driver Perspectives:** The podcast features insights from drivers who experienced the chaos firsthand. Lando Norris expresses his frustration with the red flags, arguing that they can unfairly disrupt a driver's performance and nullify their efforts over the course of the race. Other drivers, such as Yuki Tsunoda, emphasize the importance of adapting to the changing conditions and making the most of opportunities presented by red flag restarts.

**Conclusion:**

The Sky Sports F1 Podcast provides a comprehensive analysis of the controversies and talking points from the Australian Grand Prix. The podcast team offers insightful perspectives on the red flag usage, the need for transparency, the fairness of penalties, and the evolving dynamics within the sport. The podcast also highlights the significance of driver perspectives in understanding the challenges and complexities of Formula One racing.

# Formula One Australian Grand Prix Podcast Episode Discussion

**Key Points:**

- Controversy over Carlos Sainz's penalty for causing a collision with Fernando Alonso.
- Debate on whether there is enough transparency regarding red flag decisions.
- Discussion about whether Red Bull's recent dominance indicates a weakness in their car.

**Detailed Summary:**

1. **Carlos Sainz's Penalty:**

- Sainz received a five-second penalty for causing a collision with Alonso on the opening lap.
- Sainz expressed frustration with the penalty, calling it the "most unfair penalty I've ever seen in my life."
- The podcast hosts discuss whether the penalty was justified, considering Sainz's position on the track and the circumstances of the incident.

2. **Transparency of Red Flag Decisions:**

- The podcast hosts question whether there is enough transparency in the process of making red flag decisions.
- They discuss the role of the race director and the stewards in making these decisions and the criteria they use.
- They also consider the impact of red flag decisions on the outcome of races and whether there is a need for more consistency in the decision-making process.

3. **Red Bull's Weakness:**

- The podcast hosts discuss whether Red Bull's recent dominance indicates a weakness in their car.
- They point to the fact that Red Bull had difficulty getting off the starting line and that Max Verstappen was able to build a significant lead over his rivals once he was in front.
- They also consider whether Red Bull's success is due to the strength of their car or the skill of Verstappen as a driver.

**Additional Points:**

- The podcast hosts also discuss the following topics:
- Sergio Perez's struggles in the race and whether they indicate a problem with his car.
- The performance of McLaren and other midfield teams in the race.
- The impact of the new regulations on the competitiveness of the field.
- The upcoming races and what to expect from the rest of the season.

**Overall:**

The podcast provides an informative and engaging discussion of the key talking points from the Australian Grand Prix. The hosts offer insightful analysis and commentary, and they do a good job of presenting different perspectives on the issues being discussed. The podcast is well-produced and easy to follow, making it a valuable resource for Formula One fans.

# Formula 1 Podcast Episode Transcript Summary

**Red Flag Transparency**

* There is debate about whether there is enough transparency around red flags.
* Some believe that the rules are not clear and that this can lead to confusion and inconsistency.
* Others argue that the rules are necessary to ensure safety and that they are applied fairly.

**Carlos Sainz's Penalty**

* Sainz received a five-second penalty for an unsafe release during the Australian Grand Prix.
* Some believe that the penalty was too harsh, while others argue that it was justified.
* The stewards ultimately decided that the penalty was appropriate.

**Red Bull's Weakness**

* Red Bull has been dominant in recent years, but some believe that the team may have a weakness this season.
* The team's car has been struggling with rear grip, which has made it difficult for the drivers to extract the maximum performance.
* Mercedes has also made significant progress this season, and they are now seen as a threat to Red Bull's dominance.

**Other Notable Points**

* Alpine suffered significant damage to two cars in the Australian Grand Prix.
* The team will have to build a new chassis for both cars, which will cost a significant amount of money.
* Mercedes is still struggling with its car, but the team is hoping that they can make progress during the spring break.
* George Russell has out-qualified Lewis Hamilton in every race this season.
* Some believe that this is a sign that Russell is a faster driver than Hamilton, while others believe that it is simply a matter of circumstances.

**Overall Message**

The Formula 1 season is still in its early stages, but there have already been a number of talking points. The debate about red flags, the controversy surrounding Carlos Sainz's penalty, and the question of Red Bull's weakness are just a few of the issues that have been discussed in the media. As the season progresses, it will be interesting to see how these issues play out and how they ultimately affect the championship battle.

[00:00.000 -> 00:04.720] One look at the result from the Australian Grand Prix and you might be forgiven for thinking
[00:04.720 -> 00:09.800] this was an easy win for Max Verstappen. The race however delivered absolutely everything
[00:09.800 -> 00:15.680] – chaos, confusion and three red flags. But are F1 putting show business before the
[00:15.680 -> 00:20.440] sport? Who were the winners and who were the losers from the madness in Melbourne? This
[00:20.440 -> 00:27.000] is the Sky Sports F1 Podcast.
[00:27.000 -> 00:29.320] Hello everyone, welcome to this week's episode.
[00:29.320 -> 00:32.680] Alongside me for this one, fresh off the plane from Melbourne.
[00:32.680 -> 00:34.960] Well, not quite fresh, you landed yesterday.
[00:34.960 -> 00:35.960] Pretty fresh.
[00:35.960 -> 00:36.960] Pretty fresh.
[00:36.960 -> 00:37.960] Ted Kravitz.
[00:37.960 -> 00:38.960] Hello.
[00:38.960 -> 00:39.960] Hello.
[00:39.960 -> 00:40.960] And F1 content creator and YouTuber Tomo.
[00:40.960 -> 00:41.960] Hello.
[00:41.960 -> 00:42.960] Thanks for having me.
[00:42.960 -> 00:46.640] I feel bad complaining about the one well, the one night getting up early
[00:46.640 -> 00:48.780] because you lot were on it from what, Wednesday night?
[00:48.780 -> 00:49.620] From Wednesday.
[00:49.620 -> 00:50.600] Adjusting your sleeping patterns.
[00:50.600 -> 00:51.700] Well, I was two nights, Tomo.
[00:51.700 -> 00:53.480] You got up for qualifying as well.
[00:53.480 -> 00:54.960] Oh, of course, yeah, but I was in bed.
[00:54.960 -> 00:55.800] And for practice, and for, oh, okay.
[00:55.800 -> 00:56.880] So, you're not actually getting up.
[00:56.880 -> 00:59.160] I wasn't actually creating content, so, you know.
[00:59.160 -> 01:00.220] Well, don't feel bad.
[01:00.220 -> 01:01.560] Happy to have you along, welcome.
[01:01.560 -> 01:02.880] Thank you very much, appreciate it.
[01:02.880 -> 01:04.720] Good to have you both here.
[01:04.720 -> 01:07.440] I want to start by doing our one word race reviews.
[01:07.440 -> 01:10.080] One word to describe the race.
[01:10.080 -> 01:11.760] Ted, after you.
[01:11.760 -> 01:14.080] Well, I thought about gravel.
[01:14.080 -> 01:15.600] Seeing as I had to say,
[01:16.600 -> 01:17.440] gravel?
[01:17.440 -> 01:18.260] Yeah.
[01:18.260 -> 01:19.100] Go on.
[01:19.100 -> 01:20.440] It should be said in that way, gravel.
[01:20.440 -> 01:21.280] Gravel.
[01:21.280 -> 01:22.600] But I've decided not to go there
[01:22.600 -> 01:26.120] because it was fair enough. I'm going to go with red.
[01:26.120 -> 01:27.360] Am I allowed to steal red?
[01:27.360 -> 01:28.360] Yeah, that's fine.
[01:28.360 -> 01:29.360] You can take red.
[01:29.360 -> 01:30.360] No, I'll take red.
[01:30.360 -> 01:31.360] That's fine.
[01:31.360 -> 01:36.600] Because flying back from Australia, from Melbourne, as I did yesterday, I looked down and if it
[01:36.600 -> 01:38.960] was in the daytime, I would have seen the red center.
[01:38.960 -> 01:40.880] It wasn't, it was at night, so I couldn't see anything.
[01:40.880 -> 01:46.480] But if there had been light, I would have seen the iron ore rich red earth
[01:46.480 -> 01:52.000] of Australia. They like to call a lot of things they have over there red. We also had Red
[01:52.000 -> 01:57.480] Bull not quite dominating the weekend in the way that they have in that they didn't get
[01:57.480 -> 02:01.600] a one two for the first time this season, but they did win and talk about the traps,
[02:01.600 -> 02:06.760] the bear traps that were possum traps or the Tasmanian devil traps
[02:06.760 -> 02:07.600] or the other marsupials.
[02:07.600 -> 02:08.440] Yeah, other marsupials.
[02:08.440 -> 02:11.120] Kamalas, don't call them bears, they're not bears.
[02:11.120 -> 02:14.120] Traps that Max Verstappen managed to avoid.
[02:14.120 -> 02:19.000] So it is, you know, red bull, but obviously red flags.
[02:19.000 -> 02:19.840] Yeah.
[02:19.840 -> 02:20.660] That's why I'm going with red.
[02:20.660 -> 02:22.680] Ooh, and I'm going with red
[02:22.680 -> 02:24.240] because I've got a little friend for you, Matthew.
[02:24.240 -> 02:26.560] Oh, go on. I've got a little friend for you, Matthew. I've got a little friend for you, Matthew.
[02:26.560 -> 02:28.040] Straight off the plane in my red-
[02:28.040 -> 02:28.880] You're making me nervous.
[02:28.880 -> 02:33.560] In my red Japanese bag, I've got a little friend.
[02:33.560 -> 02:34.400] He's little red.
[02:34.400 -> 02:35.220] Aw, cute.
[02:35.220 -> 02:36.060] There you go.
[02:36.060 -> 02:37.200] For those of you listening-
[02:37.200 -> 02:38.640] Hang on, he's lost his hat.
[02:38.640 -> 02:41.560] Ted has just produced a kangaroo with a,
[02:41.560 -> 02:43.720] now what do you call the smaller kangaroo,
[02:43.720 -> 02:44.760] the baby kangaroo?
[02:44.760 -> 02:45.520] Joey. Joey, that's the one.aroo? The baby kangaroo? Joey.
[02:45.520 -> 02:50.560] Joey. That's the one. Sorry. I'm sorry. What you talking about? He can present a podcast.
[02:50.560 -> 02:55.600] He doesn't know what a kangaroo is. I knew it was something important. Joey. Hang on.
[02:55.600 -> 02:58.120] His hat's coming. Look, he's got, I've got, I've got a little hat. Oh, with the holes
[02:58.120 -> 03:03.920] in the top of the ears. And the, uh, the fly, the fly repellents. Brilliant. The little
[03:03.920 -> 03:05.960] Australian hat for you. So There you go, Matthew.
[03:05.960 -> 03:10.520] They're beautiful creatures, although they can be, kangaroos can be quite intimidating
[03:10.520 -> 03:12.080] in person.
[03:12.080 -> 03:15.000] Some of them can be like six, seven foot, built, stacked.
[03:15.000 -> 03:16.000] Yeah, yeah.
[03:16.000 -> 03:17.000] Much experience with confronting kangaroos.
[03:17.000 -> 03:22.240] I went travelling a few years ago and we pulled over to this stop overnight and you look out
[03:22.240 -> 03:24.480] the back window, see all these cute little joeys.
[03:24.480 -> 03:27.800] And then these two, they're're the enforcers like the big can
[03:27.800 -> 03:32.520] yeah safe okay my wife was like I'll kind of go in stroke I'm not you won't
[03:32.520 -> 03:38.880] come back alive there we go camera three got it there you go there with his fly
[03:38.880 -> 03:45.320] his typical Australian hat Matthew love my present to you. There's the red. Wow, it's a gift.
[03:45.320 -> 03:47.240] It could be a friend of the podcast.
[03:47.240 -> 03:48.080] To the podcast, sorry about that.
[03:48.080 -> 03:48.920] Yeah, to what?
[03:48.920 -> 03:49.740] I'm taking it.
[03:49.740 -> 03:51.080] Anyway, there's Red the Kangaroo for you,
[03:51.080 -> 03:52.000] straight off the plane from Melbourne.
[03:52.000 -> 03:52.880] Kevin the Kangaroo.
[03:52.880 -> 03:53.960] No, Red.
[03:53.960 -> 03:54.800] Sorry, Red the Kangaroo.
[03:54.800 -> 03:55.640] That's why I'm third.
[03:55.640 -> 03:57.800] Sorry, you weren't following me.
[03:57.800 -> 04:00.920] Red bull, red flag, and my little mate Red.
[04:00.920 -> 04:01.760] Oh, Red Earth.
[04:01.760 -> 04:02.600] Red Earth and Red the Kangaroo.
[04:02.600 -> 04:03.520] Red the Kangaroo.
[04:03.520 -> 04:04.340] Thank you so much.
[04:04.340 -> 04:05.200] And his little joey. Lovely. That is a really lovely gift the Kangaroo. Thank you so much. And his little Joey.
[04:05.200 -> 04:06.040] Lovely.
[04:06.040 -> 04:06.880] That is a really lovely gift.
[04:06.880 -> 04:08.860] Tommy, what have you bought for me?
[04:08.860 -> 04:09.700] My presents.
[04:09.700 -> 04:10.540] Yeah.
[04:10.540 -> 04:11.360] I think that's enough of a gift, Matt.
[04:11.360 -> 04:13.700] And your one word race review.
[04:13.700 -> 04:14.900] Which is chaos.
[04:15.900 -> 04:17.860] It ties in kind of with yours, Ted,
[04:17.860 -> 04:18.800] in terms of red flags,
[04:18.800 -> 04:21.100] but in terms of all the shenanigans that went down,
[04:21.100 -> 04:23.260] particularly on that final safety car.
[04:23.260 -> 04:25.920] And how, I guess there's adwl, mae cyfanswm yno,
[04:25.920 -> 04:27.840] sut mae'n fwy o'r cwmniad yw,
[04:27.840 -> 04:30.480] ydyn ni'n rhoi'r carau hynny i gael eu dechrau,
[04:30.480 -> 04:33.240] yn ddiwethaf, mae llawer o dyrwyr yn gwshio am y sefyllfa.
[04:35.040 -> 04:38.640] Sut mae'r cyfrifoldeb hwnnw, dwi'n meddwl, ar y dyrwyr hefyd.
[04:38.640 -> 04:41.080] Mae llawer o ddweudwyr, oh, d'i gyrraeddau fach a pha,
[04:41.080 -> 04:43.920] ond dyma 20 o'r dyrwyr hyfforddiwr cymdeithasol
[04:43.920 -> 04:45.060] y byd yn y byd. Ac i mi, rydych chi'n drifo'n dda i'r cyrraedd cold tires and all that, but these are 20 of the best motorsport racing drivers in the world.
[04:45.060 -> 04:49.060] And for me, you drive appropriately to the tires
[04:49.060 -> 04:50.300] in the car that's underneath you.
[04:50.300 -> 04:51.940] So difficult.
[04:51.940 -> 04:55.220] We saw a lot of what, eight cars didn't finish that race.
[04:55.220 -> 04:57.100] Eight DNFs from the race.
[04:57.100 -> 04:57.940] Mad.
[04:57.940 -> 04:59.220] Yeah, I think chaos is quite out.
[04:59.220 -> 05:00.520] Slightly confused, chaos is out.
[05:00.520 -> 05:03.420] Slightly confused that they did classify some of them.
[05:03.420 -> 05:04.700] So you're right, eight didn't finish.
[05:04.700 -> 05:09.100] True. Then I went through the timing and I saw,
[05:09.100 -> 05:11.060] hang on, what, Magnuson's 15th.
[05:11.060 -> 05:13.420] Yeah, Ocon and Gasly were classified as well.
[05:13.420 -> 05:15.700] Yeah, you're right.
[05:15.700 -> 05:17.740] Those cars were in no state to be classified.
[05:17.740 -> 05:22.660] Mine, similar to yours being Chaos, mine is crikey.
[05:22.660 -> 05:23.500] Crikey?
[05:23.500 -> 05:26.360] Crikey, with the amount of DNFs we had with the red
[05:26.360 -> 05:31.220] flags, with the three red flags, with the fire for Russell, Magnussen's tyre, or Magnussen
[05:31.220 -> 05:34.480] hitting the wall, and the big crash for Ocon and Gasly I thought. You know what? A lot
[05:34.480 -> 05:40.080] of people in the crowd would have said crikey. They would, it's true. Yeah. In my head anyway
[05:40.080 -> 05:45.120] I wasn't there. Alright, let's sort of get on to our big question for today.
[05:45.120 -> 05:47.480] And I think the key one that a lot of fans are asking,
[05:47.480 -> 05:50.440] particularly after having three red flags is,
[05:50.440 -> 05:51.960] and this is from Matt on Twitter,
[05:51.960 -> 05:54.800] is F1 now putting entertainment over sports
[05:54.800 -> 05:58.760] in order to put on a show rather than a motor race?
[05:58.760 -> 06:01.360] What do you think the consensus is?
[06:01.360 -> 06:02.800] Just getting out my notes.
[06:02.800 -> 06:06.000] So I wasn't aware of this being a storyline.
[06:06.000 -> 06:06.400] In fact,
[06:06.400 -> 06:12.200] I'm looking to see whether I had any of this kind of post and I tried to when I'm doing
[06:12.300 -> 06:16.200] post race sort of see what the what the zeitgeist is.
[06:16.200 -> 06:17.600] What's the feeling around the place?
[06:17.600 -> 06:21.000] What's going to be the kind of the Monday line or the Tuesday line as we are here.
[06:21.000 -> 06:26.240] Yeah, and I didn't really expect it to be, were there too many red flags?
[06:26.240 -> 06:29.120] And what about, you know, starting this,
[06:29.120 -> 06:30.240] what's the alternative?
[06:30.240 -> 06:32.760] What's the premise behind the question of what?
[06:32.760 -> 06:34.800] We should have carried on with safety cars
[06:34.800 -> 06:36.800] or there shouldn't have been standing starts,
[06:36.800 -> 06:38.720] there should have been rolling starts or?
[06:38.720 -> 06:40.720] I think both of those questions.
[06:40.720 -> 06:43.920] And I think the desire to have a red flag,
[06:43.920 -> 06:48.000] particularly if, I mean, we can look at the first red flag of Albon's crash, you've obviously got a huge amount
[06:48.000 -> 06:53.200] of gravel all over the track, but I think the point is you could have in theory, obviously
[06:53.200 -> 06:56.640] because behind a safety car you slow all the cars down when they go through that part of
[06:56.640 -> 07:02.480] the track, right? So you would have slowed all the cars down, surely that would have
[07:02.480 -> 07:06.560] meant the danger of being in that area was mitigated.
[07:06.560 -> 07:08.640] You wouldn't need to put on a red flag.
[07:08.640 -> 07:10.160] Is it fair to put in a red flag?
[07:10.160 -> 07:11.200] Because there's so many factors.
[07:11.200 -> 07:14.760] You've got the cherry picker, which didn't need to go on the circuit, but was in the
[07:14.760 -> 07:16.120] gravel itself.
[07:16.120 -> 07:21.520] You've got all of the gravel on track and you had the big sweeper machine that came
[07:21.520 -> 07:22.520] out.
[07:22.520 -> 07:27.000] And it's one of them, I think Alex's crash, the immediate eye test watching anyway,
[07:27.000 -> 07:28.400] you think, oh, they can probably clean that up
[07:28.400 -> 07:31.360] because damage to the barrier seemed pretty minimal,
[07:31.360 -> 07:33.440] but then you've not just got gravel on track,
[07:33.440 -> 07:34.800] there's probably bits of carbon fiber
[07:34.800 -> 07:37.240] because Alex hit the wall fairly hard,
[07:37.240 -> 07:39.120] but it was a glancing blow, so it didn't cause,
[07:39.120 -> 07:40.840] there's certain crashes we see,
[07:40.840 -> 07:42.720] a track like Saudi, for example,
[07:42.720 -> 07:44.760] if you go straight on at turn 22,
[07:44.760 -> 07:46.460] that's a pretty obvious red flag straight away
[07:46.460 -> 07:51.080] because that's a touch point for crashes quite consistently.
[07:51.080 -> 07:52.800] You need to repair the tech pro.
[07:52.800 -> 07:54.200] I think it's one of them that, yeah,
[07:54.200 -> 07:55.960] the immediate eye test for, I think,
[07:55.960 -> 07:58.080] particularly Alex and Kevin's crashes,
[07:58.080 -> 08:00.940] wasn't immediately, oh, that's definitely a red flag.
[08:00.940 -> 08:02.920] And I guess it's a balance
[08:02.920 -> 08:06.200] because I think Fernando and Max both mentioned post-race
[08:06.200 -> 08:08.960] that they were somewhat confused about, you know,
[08:08.960 -> 08:10.320] the deployment of a red flag.
[08:10.320 -> 08:11.160] The first one.
[08:11.160 -> 08:12.400] Yeah, well, at least the first,
[08:12.400 -> 08:14.560] and possibly Magnusson's as well.
[08:14.560 -> 08:15.800] Yeah, right.
[08:15.800 -> 08:17.680] And I mean, Magnusson's was, that was a sketchy one
[08:17.680 -> 08:20.120] because you had a bit of debris go over the fence as well
[08:20.120 -> 08:21.920] and actually cut fat on the arm as well,
[08:21.920 -> 08:23.920] which obviously that's a bit of a freak accident
[08:23.920 -> 08:25.400] that I don't think you can do too much about.
[08:25.400 -> 08:29.080] But yeah, I guess it's one of them that
[08:29.080 -> 08:30.800] the use of a red flag,
[08:30.800 -> 08:31.680] what's the,
[08:32.560 -> 08:35.480] dial down to what is actually the point of a red flag.
[08:35.480 -> 08:37.400] You know, is it purely a safety thing
[08:37.400 -> 08:39.400] or is it being used to artificially
[08:39.400 -> 08:41.240] create these standing restarts,
[08:41.240 -> 08:43.000] which do often, more often than not,
[08:43.000 -> 08:45.280] give drama, particularly towards the end of a race.
[08:45.280 -> 08:48.740] We saw what Azerbaijan last season with,
[08:48.740 -> 08:50.940] sorry, 21 with the brake magic, the Lewis.
[08:50.940 -> 08:53.780] That was, you know, that was a race
[08:53.780 -> 08:55.560] that had kind of petered out a little bit,
[08:55.560 -> 08:57.140] and then you had this really exciting finish.
[08:57.140 -> 08:59.520] And so are they artificially inserting that?
[08:59.520 -> 09:02.380] I think that's where the fan sentiment somewhat.
[09:02.380 -> 09:04.580] So the second or the third is where,
[09:04.580 -> 09:05.680] maybe where were they thinking?
[09:05.680 -> 09:07.440] Maybe almost the third,
[09:07.440 -> 09:09.280] even though the third red flag
[09:09.280 -> 09:12.780] never was going to enable another lap's racing,
[09:12.780 -> 09:14.600] it was always a pointless one.
[09:14.600 -> 09:16.520] Hence why I asked the question in the commentary.
[09:16.520 -> 09:17.440] Why?
[09:17.440 -> 09:18.360] Why are we doing,
[09:18.360 -> 09:19.600] given that this is the order
[09:19.600 -> 09:21.920] in which the Australian Grand Prix is going to finish,
[09:21.920 -> 09:23.360] why are we restarting this?
[09:23.360 -> 09:24.200] And then Crofty said,
[09:24.200 -> 09:25.560] well, you don't know what's going to happen.
[09:25.560 -> 09:28.000] And I basically got shouted down by Crofty
[09:28.000 -> 09:29.000] and Caroon and Jensen.
[09:29.000 -> 09:30.500] They said it was ridiculous to say that.
[09:30.500 -> 09:31.400] Well, and they were right.
[09:31.400 -> 09:33.720] And that after about 10 seconds after I said that,
[09:33.720 -> 09:35.120] then Carlos Sainz had his penalty.
[09:35.120 -> 09:36.720] And so that wasn't the order.
[09:36.720 -> 09:38.560] He was going to shuffle down the order.
[09:38.560 -> 09:41.100] But I mean, I don't think anybody expected,
[09:41.100 -> 09:44.040] not least Carlos Sainz or George Russell,
[09:44.040 -> 09:47.400] that red flag number one for gravel was going to be a red flag
[09:47.400 -> 09:52.640] Now this is always something that stretches have in their mind. I think okay, right. It's a it's a there's an accident
[09:52.640 -> 09:54.200] Is this going to be a safety car?
[09:54.200 -> 09:54.400] Yes
[09:54.400 -> 09:58.840] It's probably going to be a safety car or is it going to be a red flag and we shouldn't come into the pits?
[09:59.060 -> 10:02.980] Because we're going to get that free pit stop underneath the safety car
[10:02.980 -> 10:05.440] And I think on balance, the reason that the likes
[10:05.440 -> 10:08.560] of Verstappen, Hamilton, the McLarens didn't pit
[10:08.560 -> 10:12.840] under that first gravel or rather Albon incident,
[10:12.840 -> 10:15.720] not red flag for gravel, is not because they didn't think
[10:15.720 -> 10:17.640] there was, not because they thought there was gonna be
[10:17.640 -> 10:20.900] a red flag, was because it was too early in the stint
[10:20.900 -> 10:23.240] to put them on the hard tire to go to the end of the race,
[10:23.240 -> 10:24.480] which would have been marginal.
[10:24.480 -> 10:25.980] It was a nice tire, the hard tire,
[10:25.980 -> 10:27.760] but it required a lot of managing
[10:27.760 -> 10:31.880] and it was difficult to get it to the end from lap nine.
[10:31.880 -> 10:33.280] Why they, okay, they might've thought, you know,
[10:33.280 -> 10:35.440] all right, maybe we can have another VSC or something.
[10:35.440 -> 10:36.900] We can get off it, go on to another medium
[10:36.900 -> 10:38.000] or something like that.
[10:38.000 -> 10:40.580] But I think that was more their thinking,
[10:41.600 -> 10:48.640] which is why only Sainz and Russell actually did it, but I can understand what
[10:48.640 -> 10:52.600] people are thinking in terms of, you know, are we sure we're going to do this just because
[10:52.600 -> 10:57.640] and is it based on previous events, but I don't actually I think on this case there
[10:57.640 -> 11:02.120] was sound reasons for red flag, certainly red flag number two and three, but there was
[11:02.120 -> 11:06.240] a lot of stuff that needed an awful lot of clearing up and metal,
[11:06.240 -> 11:08.640] both from the Alpine Carnage
[11:08.640 -> 11:11.920] and the Magnuson tire wheel rim.
[11:11.920 -> 11:15.040] It was wheel rim debris, wasn't it?
[11:15.040 -> 11:16.480] It wasn't just the carbon fiber,
[11:16.480 -> 11:18.000] it was metal on the track.
[11:18.000 -> 11:19.120] And that can be.
[11:19.120 -> 11:20.800] Right rear wheel disintegrated.
[11:20.800 -> 11:21.920] So that can be dangerous.
[11:22.480 -> 11:24.320] Metal, carbon fiber, bit of gravel.
[11:24.320 -> 11:26.640] You know, you could argue maybe in the past we haven't needed
[11:26.640 -> 11:27.920] red flags for that.
[11:27.920 -> 11:29.640] But lots of metal on the track, I think.
[11:29.640 -> 11:31.240] And I think the drivers are divided somewhat.
[11:31.240 -> 11:35.360] I know Lewis was mentioning after Kevin hit the wall, he said like there was a lot of
[11:35.360 -> 11:36.360] debris on the track.
[11:36.360 -> 11:37.880] Yeah, it came on the radio, didn't he, almost quite pointedly.
[11:37.880 -> 11:42.320] Yeah, and I guess, you know, obviously it's in the driver's best interest to push for
[11:42.320 -> 11:44.920] something that is going to benefit them.
[11:44.920 -> 11:46.960] However, I don't think in that instance,
[11:46.960 -> 11:50.120] I think also there's just probably differences in opinion
[11:50.120 -> 11:51.960] and differences to what like extent.
[11:51.960 -> 11:54.760] So for example, the album one at the start,
[11:54.760 -> 11:56.440] that took, it was quite a bit of time
[11:56.440 -> 11:59.360] between the incident and the red flag dropping.
[11:59.360 -> 12:01.560] I mean, the cherry picker was pretty much already on the car
[12:01.560 -> 12:02.900] when the red flag came down.
[12:02.900 -> 12:06.340] So, what extra information was required
[12:06.340 -> 12:08.020] from the race director,
[12:08.020 -> 12:10.460] what did they need to then make that decision?
[12:10.460 -> 12:12.820] Why couldn't that decision have been made sooner?
[12:12.820 -> 12:14.780] Maybe it could have, maybe it couldn't have.
[12:14.780 -> 12:15.980] And that's where obviously George missed out,
[12:15.980 -> 12:18.180] but even in hindsight, George was like,
[12:18.180 -> 12:19.420] the team made the right call.
[12:19.420 -> 12:21.860] Like, even though he missed out, he was, you know,
[12:21.860 -> 12:23.620] which I thought was, you know,
[12:23.620 -> 12:25.520] quite impressive and quite unusual for the driver to actually be like, you know, which I thought was quite impressive and quite unusual
[12:25.520 -> 12:27.380] for the driver to actually be like, you know what?
[12:27.380 -> 12:28.840] I'm happy actually with that call.
[12:28.840 -> 12:29.920] Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
[12:29.920 -> 12:30.920] Yeah. Yeah.
[12:30.920 -> 12:32.320] So go back to that question.
[12:32.320 -> 12:33.720] Can you read it again?
[12:33.720 -> 12:36.040] Question from Matt on Twitter.
[12:36.040 -> 12:38.720] Is F1 now putting entertainment over sports
[12:38.720 -> 12:40.720] in order to put on a show rather than a motor race?
[12:40.720 -> 12:41.880] Because I mean, when you think about that,
[12:41.880 -> 12:43.280] now we've actually done that.
[12:43.280 -> 12:47.400] I mean, we are entertainment and sport.
[12:47.400 -> 12:48.240] Very much so.
[12:48.240 -> 12:51.320] But there's a balance, right?
[12:51.320 -> 12:53.520] He might, the answer to Matt's question on Twitter
[12:53.520 -> 12:57.800] might be yes, but I don't think it's necessary referring.
[12:57.800 -> 12:58.640] Yeah.
[12:58.640 -> 12:59.460] You know, if we really sat down and think
[12:59.460 -> 13:01.100] and thought about it, we could think about
[13:01.100 -> 13:03.440] some other things, you know, crazy qualifying formats
[13:03.440 -> 13:04.560] we've had in the past.
[13:04.560 -> 13:05.000] Yeah. Which never worked, but were meant to be more entertainment for sporting. we could think about some other things, you know, crazy qualifying formats we've had in the past,
[13:05.000 -> 13:06.080] which never worked,
[13:06.080 -> 13:08.480] but were meant to be more entertainment for sporting.
[13:08.480 -> 13:11.160] Yeah, it might've done, but not this one.
[13:11.160 -> 13:12.880] Well, sport is entertaining, isn't it?
[13:12.880 -> 13:13.720] Like, sport is-
[13:13.720 -> 13:14.560] Well, hopefully.
[13:14.560 -> 13:15.400] Well, it should be.
[13:15.400 -> 13:18.200] That's why we get it, that's why we watch it.
[13:18.200 -> 13:19.120] If we're doing it right.
[13:19.120 -> 13:20.680] No, and it is a fine line.
[13:20.680 -> 13:21.800] It is a very fine line.
[13:21.800 -> 13:23.680] You've got the integrity of the sport.
[13:23.680 -> 13:24.520] There you go.
[13:24.520 -> 13:30.360] You get a lot of, you get a lot of, um, what's, what's, there's another word. Um, when you're kind
[13:30.360 -> 13:36.320] of again, artificially creating drama in a sporting context.
[13:36.320 -> 13:37.320] WWE, for example.
[13:37.320 -> 13:41.480] Yeah. I mean, I used to think that was real when I was a kid.
[13:41.480 -> 13:45.480] No, I think how stupid I was.
[13:48.160 -> 13:49.320] The drivers were quite interesting to listen to on this because obviously we have Verstappen
[13:49.320 -> 13:52.040] who has got a huge advantage when he's out in front.
[13:52.040 -> 13:54.040] Obviously a red flag for him is a disaster.
[13:54.040 -> 13:56.440] You know, having the ability to change tires,
[13:56.440 -> 13:58.920] everyone coming out and then being able to race him,
[13:58.920 -> 14:00.960] essentially, it is a disaster for him.
[14:00.960 -> 14:02.040] Suboptimal.
[14:02.040 -> 14:03.360] Suboptimal, disaster.
[14:03.360 -> 14:07.520] Not a disaster, yeah I was going to not. But my point is he's built
[14:07.520 -> 14:13.840] up the lead. So all that work he's put in has now been rendered useless. Norris, this
[14:13.840 -> 14:16.760] is what he had to say, he said, we come all the way to Australia but it's such hard work
[14:16.760 -> 14:20.820] to drive 55 laps perfectly and because they try to put on a show you just get unlucky
[14:20.820 -> 14:24.600] and everything can get taken away from you all of a sudden. So I just think that side
[14:24.600 -> 14:32.480] of it, I just think it needs a small rethink. Hang on. This is Lando Norris who finished a very very creditable
[14:33.200 -> 14:35.360] P6. Yeah, and didn't seem
[14:35.920 -> 14:41.040] Was he gonna be higher up with any kind of this without the red flags? No, he did. All right
[14:41.040 -> 14:45.680] Yes, he did. He very much was on the right side. Iaren had a clean weekend. They had a very clean, good weekend.
[14:45.680 -> 14:51.440] Yeah, it's funny isn't it, because you know, Lando's, well I think he was
[14:51.440 -> 14:54.360] advocating for a rolling start as well, I think I saw additionally in that quote,
[14:54.360 -> 14:57.960] he's talking about potentially doing a rolling start instead of, this is one of
[14:57.960 -> 15:01.800] the things I've kind of seen people talking about online, is you know, having
[15:01.800 -> 15:06.480] a standing start right at the end, is that too risky versus
[15:06.480 -> 15:11.960] a rolling start, which is probably more of an equitable, it gives less opportunity for
[15:11.960 -> 15:14.840] over, because obviously a standing start is going to give you more of a chance to make
[15:14.840 -> 15:20.640] a position. Look, Yuki Tsunoda, he shot through. He had a worldie off the start, which I mean,
[15:20.640 -> 15:24.040] I love Yuki, so I was super happy for him. And then obviously him and Nico went back
[15:24.040 -> 15:26.400] up both having had good starts, but I think, yeah, there's, so I was super happy for him. And then obviously him and Nico went back up, both having had good starts.
[15:26.400 -> 15:29.520] But I think, yeah, there's a question around that.
[15:29.520 -> 15:32.600] And, you know, it's tire change.
[15:32.600 -> 15:35.000] There's no perfect solution.
[15:35.000 -> 15:35.840] This is the thing.
[15:35.840 -> 15:38.400] There's no perfectly even equitable solution.
[15:38.400 -> 15:40.280] You look at other motorsports, NASCAR, IndyCar,
[15:40.280 -> 15:47.120] when NASCAR adds laps, IndyCar allows everyone to, I think, before you can, on a
[15:47.120 -> 15:50.420] safety car, before you can change tyres, you have to wait for the field to kind of bunch
[15:50.420 -> 15:54.540] up so that you can't gain an advantage somewhat.
[15:54.540 -> 15:56.220] You know, there's no perfect solution.
[15:56.220 -> 16:03.220] We've got a solution now where, again, if you pit just before a red flag, you miss out
[16:03.220 -> 16:04.220] massively.
[16:04.220 -> 16:07.320] And, you know, you've got these standard restarts
[16:07.320 -> 16:08.760] and like you said, Lando,
[16:08.760 -> 16:10.360] drivers might take each other out,
[16:10.360 -> 16:12.620] but again, I feel like there's a responsibility
[16:12.620 -> 16:13.560] on the drivers, no?
[16:13.560 -> 16:16.440] Like, they have to understand the car
[16:16.440 -> 16:18.760] that's underneath them and they don't have as much tyre.
[16:18.760 -> 16:20.920] I know it was hard to get tyre temperature in Australia,
[16:20.920 -> 16:24.280] but I'm not an F1 driver, but I don't know.
[16:24.280 -> 16:26.280] I just feel like you drive the car
[16:26.280 -> 16:27.960] that's underneath you, and if you don't have the tyre temp,
[16:27.960 -> 16:29.280] you have to drive accordingly.
[16:29.280 -> 16:32.480] And yes, and you know, Lando's bosses are the ones
[16:32.480 -> 16:34.960] who said, you know, let's do the standing starts again.
[16:34.960 -> 16:36.440] They've agreed to all of these
[16:36.440 -> 16:38.180] in the F1 commission meetings.
[16:38.180 -> 16:39.880] So, you know, if he doesn't like it,
[16:39.880 -> 16:41.520] and if there is a move from the drivers to think,
[16:41.520 -> 16:43.320] you know what, it's too much of a risk.
[16:43.320 -> 16:49.240] I don't know what flying, coming all the way to Australia has to do with it. I mean this could happen in Silverstone
[16:49.240 -> 16:55.380] Yeah, I traveled free 12 miles down the road and all this has been in traffic for two hours
[16:57.440 -> 17:00.020] But you know his that's what we have
[17:00.480 -> 17:05.000] I'm not sure whether that's been communicated particularly effectively to the fans.
[17:05.000 -> 17:06.600] Is there ever, do we all know?
[17:06.600 -> 17:09.480] I mean, there was some sort of question.
[17:09.480 -> 17:11.440] It's like, okay, right, it's a standing start.
[17:11.440 -> 17:13.360] Is there a rolling start after reflag?
[17:13.360 -> 17:14.300] Well, there can be.
[17:14.300 -> 17:16.560] When does that happen then?
[17:16.560 -> 17:17.760] When we think, oh, you know,
[17:17.760 -> 17:20.320] we can't trust them to start on the start line
[17:20.320 -> 17:21.520] from the lights off again.
[17:21.520 -> 17:24.160] Is that when it's like in wet conditions sometimes?
[17:24.160 -> 17:25.600] The fact that we're not even sure
[17:25.600 -> 17:27.040] when on the red flag restart,
[17:27.040 -> 17:30.080] when it does come behind the safety car or a rolling start,
[17:30.080 -> 17:32.480] the safety car goes off and they all start themselves.
[17:32.480 -> 17:34.720] And when it's a standing start,
[17:34.720 -> 17:35.560] maybe that's the confusion.
[17:35.560 -> 17:36.400] I think on that.
[17:36.400 -> 17:38.640] Is that we don't all know, oh, it's a red flag.
[17:38.640 -> 17:41.080] Right, what that means is that it'll definitely be
[17:41.080 -> 17:43.000] a start on the grid again after.
[17:43.000 -> 17:48.800] I think one of the issues for me after the second red flag was the delay in time of not
[17:48.800 -> 17:51.120] knowing what was about to happen.
[17:51.120 -> 17:55.120] A tweet here from Freeman, there needs to be greater transparency regarding red flag
[17:55.120 -> 17:56.120] safety car decisions.
[17:56.120 -> 17:59.780] At the moment it's confusing because decisions made are opaque.
[17:59.780 -> 18:04.160] This leads to a suspicion, rightly or wrongly, that the procedure is being abused to improve
[18:04.160 -> 18:06.600] the show, especially if it's late in the race. No but the procedure is being abused to improve the show, especially if it's late in the race
[18:06.680 -> 18:09.440] No, it's not being abused to improve the show. It's being
[18:10.320 -> 18:12.320] open to
[18:12.660 -> 18:19.560] Sporting managers from teams to to lobby and then open the FIA up to protests which I think is still going on as we're recording
[18:19.560 -> 18:26.420] Mmm has have appealed I believe the turning down of their protest and they they might withdraw it
[18:26.420 -> 18:30.840] But you know, they are exactly the same as who was it Freeman free thinking thinking well, hang on
[18:30.840 -> 18:31.760] How did we arrive?
[18:31.760 -> 18:35.640] What kind of metric have we said that we're not going to use the timing information?
[18:35.780 -> 18:41.180] That had the the two Aston Martins out and Niko Hulkenberg MP for there was timing information
[18:41.180 -> 18:44.960] I mean I had it I've got it on my phone. It's on it was on the app. So they pass some beams
[18:45.920 -> 18:46.080] Yeah, really sectors of some registering There was timing information. I mean, I had it. I've got it on my phone. It's on. It was on the app So they pass some beams. Yeah
[18:48.080 -> 18:48.560] Mini sectors or something registering. Yeah
[18:54.080 -> 18:55.760] So why are we not relying on that? Why are we relying on the grid before with the Aston's still in the race? So he's good, you know, it's good
[18:55.760 -> 18:58.960] The teams are questioning that as well because it's not hard and fast
[18:59.040 -> 19:04.640] We had Otmar Safnauer on the pit wall the alpine team principal and crofty asked him. What do you expect to happen?
[19:04.720 -> 19:07.200] He didn't know. So, you know, we as broadcasters don't know.
[19:07.200 -> 19:08.320] They were all waiting for the FIA to make up their minds.
[19:08.320 -> 19:13.400] They don't know from the teams. And this, you know, the audience at home don't know.
[19:13.400 -> 19:17.120] And also another point is, what about the people in the stands? Surely the people in
[19:17.120 -> 19:22.520] the stands or the other part of the circuit are wondering, I mean, how much information
[19:22.520 -> 19:29.160] do they get? They can obviously see the screen, they can see the feed, but they don't have Ond rwy'n meddwl, pa mor wybodaeth maen nhw'n cael? Gallant weld y sgrin, gallant weld y ffeithio, ond nid oes un system
[19:29.160 -> 19:31.040] sy'n dweud i bawb beth sy'n digwydd.
[19:31.040 -> 19:33.120] Iawn, yw'r peth clus, yn unig.
[19:33.120 -> 19:35.040] Rwy'n gobeithio'r hyn rydych chi wedi'i ddweud, Ted.
[19:35.040 -> 19:36.640] Pam na allai hynny...
[19:36.640 -> 19:37.440] Mae gennych chi'r gagledd
[19:37.440 -> 19:38.280] lle nid oes unrhyw beth yn digwydd,
[19:38.280 -> 19:39.320] nid oes unrhyw beth yn cael ei gysylltu.
[19:39.320 -> 19:40.640] Rydych chi'n dweud ei fod yn rhoi amser
[19:40.640 -> 19:43.880] i'r principiaethau'r tîm i'w llyfrgellio a phopeth.
[19:43.880 -> 19:45.400] Dweud wrthym, cymdeithaswch hynny. Yn ogystal â'r hyn rydyn ni'n gwybod, iawn, beth ydym ni'n arwain arno? it's time for team principals to lobby and all that. Tell us that, communicate that.
[19:45.400 -> 19:47.800] At least we know, okay, what are we waiting for?
[19:48.640 -> 19:52.800] You know, it's when it's, again, it adds to that whole,
[19:52.800 -> 19:56.360] I think because there, I feel that so often,
[19:56.360 -> 19:58.000] particularly in the last kind of few years,
[19:58.000 -> 20:01.080] there's been a lot of press around the FIA,
[20:01.080 -> 20:04.080] how the sport's been managed, safety cars, all this.
[20:04.080 -> 20:05.900] When there isn't that transparency, when there isn't that transparency,
[20:05.900 -> 20:07.520] when there isn't that clarity,
[20:07.520 -> 20:09.260] it does make people speculate.
[20:09.260 -> 20:11.760] And again, it's why I can't,
[20:11.760 -> 20:13.440] I'd rather a decision be made,
[20:13.440 -> 20:15.840] like you take time, but make the right decision,
[20:15.840 -> 20:17.320] then rush and make the wrong one.
[20:17.320 -> 20:18.240] I'm all for that.
[20:18.240 -> 20:20.680] I don't mind if it's gonna take 10 minutes,
[20:20.680 -> 20:22.560] but tell us why.
[20:22.560 -> 20:23.400] That's what we wanna know.
[20:23.400 -> 20:25.580] We just wanna understand why as fans,
[20:25.580 -> 20:28.240] so that we, then it just adds to the speculation mill
[20:28.240 -> 20:29.280] because nothing's going on.
[20:29.280 -> 20:30.320] And then exactly what you said,
[20:30.320 -> 20:32.680] it just adds to this whole, oh, are they gonna?
[20:33.720 -> 20:35.960] So the first, so the first thing the crowd knew about it,
[20:35.960 -> 20:38.160] cause I had one of the big screens that all the crowds saw
[20:38.160 -> 20:40.160] was when the FIA graphic came up and said,
[20:40.160 -> 20:43.320] order will be one, 44, 14.
[20:43.320 -> 20:46.880] Which is so unclear to a crowd.
[20:46.880 -> 20:48.320] Trying to work out what the numbers are.
[20:48.320 -> 20:49.160] What do you think?
[20:49.160 -> 20:50.640] Well, do you not know the numbers?
[20:50.640 -> 20:52.160] Well, I know the numbers.
[20:52.160 -> 20:55.360] Excuse me, Formula One has the most learned
[20:55.360 -> 20:58.840] intelligent fans who all know the numbers.
[20:58.840 -> 21:01.240] Would it not be better for the graphics
[21:01.240 -> 21:03.040] to at least say the driver's name?
[21:03.040 -> 21:06.800] You know, weak.. But can I say...
[21:06.800 -> 21:08.800] A few Aussie beers to the wind as well.
[21:08.800 -> 21:10.800] You might not know the names.
[21:10.800 -> 21:15.800] What a blinder Aston Martin have played in the last two races.
[21:15.800 -> 21:20.800] They've managed to get two sporting decisions go their way.
[21:20.800 -> 21:24.800] Yes, no, the jack didn't touch the rear crash structure.
[21:24.800 -> 21:25.120] Okay, it did. But if it did, then it wasn't working on the car. Went their way. Yes, no, the jack didn't touch the rear crash structure.
[21:25.120 -> 21:26.440] Okay, it did, but if it did,
[21:26.440 -> 21:29.020] then it wasn't working on the car, went their way.
[21:29.020 -> 21:31.160] And let's start from the grid,
[21:31.160 -> 21:32.840] just ignore the fact that our car spun
[21:32.840 -> 21:35.960] and even though they may have passed some kind of timing.
[21:35.960 -> 21:37.240] They're playing to blind, haven't they?
[21:37.240 -> 21:38.080] I mean, people call it luck.
[21:38.080 -> 21:40.200] There's no luck about it.
[21:40.200 -> 21:41.440] Fernando wasn't lucky.
[21:41.440 -> 21:43.600] Aston, absolutely playing a blinder on these,
[21:43.600 -> 21:45.440] getting these decisions.
[21:45.440 -> 21:47.640] And again, I think that just added to the confusion, right?
[21:47.640 -> 21:50.360] Where you've got the orders being taken back,
[21:50.360 -> 21:54.200] yet Carlos Sainz's incident is still being penalized.
[21:54.200 -> 21:56.400] And it's just one of them things where, you know,
[21:56.400 -> 21:57.600] saying it's right or wrong either way,
[21:57.600 -> 21:59.080] it's just the confusion, right?
[21:59.080 -> 22:01.280] Because you're counting something for nothing.
[22:01.280 -> 22:02.320] That's right, what you're saying,
[22:02.320 -> 22:07.400] maybe Sainz thought about this, is that never happened.
[22:07.400 -> 22:11.920] You're putting the Aston's back in, like what happened with science, never happened.
[22:11.920 -> 22:17.120] Yet you're penalizing science for the thing that happened, but didn't happen because the
[22:17.120 -> 22:19.760] Aston's are still there and there's no foul.
[22:19.760 -> 22:23.720] So if there's no harm, science is thinking, well there's no harm to a Fernando, then there's
[22:23.720 -> 22:25.520] no foul on me.
[22:25.520 -> 22:29.640] Which is understandable. Because all of Yuki's great work that he did moving through the
[22:29.640 -> 22:32.000] field, Nico up to P4, which could have been a podium.
[22:32.000 -> 22:33.240] Would have been, yeah, would have been a podium.
[22:33.240 -> 22:38.560] Which would have been his first. You know, all of that. And again, I'm not saying like,
[22:38.560 -> 22:43.280] because I think, I mean, in my opinion, that science penalty was fair. That's just, that's
[22:43.280 -> 22:48.080] my take on it. But as an incident in itself, however,
[22:48.080 -> 22:49.280] whether that should have, you know,
[22:49.280 -> 22:51.880] you step back some things, but then not that.
[22:51.880 -> 22:53.600] And I think there's understandably, again,
[22:53.600 -> 22:55.240] it just adds to this confusion.
[22:55.240 -> 22:58.480] And it's just a lack of clarity from fans.
[22:58.480 -> 22:59.320] And I get, look,
[22:59.320 -> 23:01.720] this is the most complicated sport arguably in the world.
[23:01.720 -> 23:05.620] I think to write down every potential eventuality in these
[23:05.620 -> 23:10.940] regulations is going to be incredibly difficult. And it's just taking these instances, this
[23:10.940 -> 23:14.560] was a chaotic race towards the end, it was a madness and it all came from Kevin Magnussen's
[23:14.560 -> 23:18.520] incident and it's like, what can we learn? How can we improve this going forward? How
[23:18.520 -> 23:22.000] can we just make it clearer to people watching? Because especially when you've got new fans
[23:22.000 -> 23:28.520] coming in, it's, you know, you get to an end of a race and we saw it with Fernando getting his podium taken away, but
[23:28.520 -> 23:32.240] then returned. And it's just like, we shouldn't have, I don't want this every race. Like no
[23:32.240 -> 23:33.240] one wants this.
[23:33.240 -> 23:34.240] It's two in two, isn't it?
[23:34.240 -> 23:36.960] It just makes the sport more intimidating, I think, to watch. It's like, well, what's
[23:36.960 -> 23:39.680] going on? If I don't understand, if I go to bed and then wake up and then my driver's
[23:39.680 -> 23:42.320] had it taken away, but then it's confusing.
[23:42.320 -> 23:44.360] Should I pick up on Tom?
[23:44.360 -> 23:47.040] Go on, I can see you were excited to pick up on this.
[23:47.040 -> 23:47.880] Can I be Carlos Sainz?
[23:47.880 -> 23:49.200] Can I just read you what he said?
[23:49.200 -> 23:50.040] Yeah, go on then.
[23:50.040 -> 23:50.860] After the race.
[23:50.860 -> 23:51.700] I didn't feel for him.
[23:51.700 -> 23:52.540] Was this the point-
[23:52.540 -> 23:53.360] He was so sad.
[23:53.360 -> 23:54.200] He was in tears.
[23:54.200 -> 23:55.040] He was in tears.
[23:55.040 -> 23:56.500] You listened to the-
[23:56.500 -> 23:57.340] He was distraught, man.
[23:57.340 -> 23:59.580] The team radio drivers at the end of the race.
[23:59.580 -> 24:00.420] Yeah.
[24:00.420 -> 24:01.260] From F1.
[24:01.260 -> 24:02.740] There's more of it.
[24:02.740 -> 24:03.560] He was in tears.
[24:03.560 -> 24:04.400] Oh, he was crying.
[24:04.400 -> 24:05.880] Really? On the radio after the race.
[24:05.880 -> 24:06.800] You can hear it.
[24:06.800 -> 24:07.640] Sorry, go on.
[24:07.640 -> 24:08.460] This is what I was going to say.
[24:08.460 -> 24:09.300] This is what he said after the race,
[24:09.300 -> 24:11.080] that it's the biggest disgrace I've seen in the sport
[24:11.080 -> 24:12.320] for many years.
[24:12.320 -> 24:15.800] It's the most unfair penalty I've ever seen in my life,
[24:15.800 -> 24:16.640] or his life.
[24:17.640 -> 24:18.800] Strong words from Carlos.
[24:18.800 -> 24:19.840] Strong words from Carlos.
[24:19.840 -> 24:22.360] In terms of what you think it wasn't a fair penalty.
[24:22.360 -> 24:24.040] And we should emphasize the reason why
[24:24.040 -> 24:26.000] it's potentially not a fair penalty
[24:26.000 -> 24:27.520] is because if you apply-
[24:27.520 -> 24:29.320] Fair is the wrong word, appropriate.
[24:29.320 -> 24:33.200] Yeah, why it's a stronger penalty
[24:33.200 -> 24:35.160] is because under a safety car,
[24:35.160 -> 24:36.920] obviously the five seconds that you get,
[24:36.920 -> 24:38.780] because you're all bunched up as cars,
[24:38.780 -> 24:41.200] it means that that five seconds actually equals like 10
[24:41.200 -> 24:44.340] or 12 places compared within a normal race
[24:44.340 -> 24:45.440] where you might have five seconds
[24:45.440 -> 24:47.240] might be only the difference between one or two spots.
[24:47.240 -> 24:48.400] Well, no, but they can't hang on,
[24:48.400 -> 24:52.320] but they can't take into account the conclude,
[24:52.320 -> 24:55.360] the effect of the penalty.
[24:55.360 -> 24:56.200] Of course they can't.
[24:56.200 -> 24:57.020] Of course they can't.
[24:57.020 -> 24:57.860] Otherwise that will confuse everything.
[24:57.860 -> 24:59.720] No, I think the science's point was,
[24:59.720 -> 25:01.860] it was lap one where there's always
[25:01.860 -> 25:05.000] a little bit more leniency.
[25:05.800 -> 25:07.280] And if you penalize me for that,
[25:07.280 -> 25:08.600] then you have to penalize Lance Stroll
[25:08.600 -> 25:10.200] for taking out my teammate,
[25:10.200 -> 25:11.980] even though it wasn't really Lance's fault,
[25:11.980 -> 25:14.040] but he's saying it wasn't really my fault.
[25:14.040 -> 25:16.280] And you have to penalize Pierre Gasly
[25:16.280 -> 25:18.160] for taking out Esteban Ocon,
[25:18.160 -> 25:20.480] which wasn't really either of their fault
[25:20.480 -> 25:21.620] because it was a racing incident,
[25:21.620 -> 25:24.540] because Gasly came on, didn't see Ocon, et cetera, et cetera.
[25:24.540 -> 25:25.080] That's Sainz's point, was that there is a fundamental inconsistencyasly came on didn't see Ocon, etc, etc.
[25:25.080 -> 25:28.560] That's Sainz's point, was that there is a fundamental inconsistency.
[25:28.560 -> 25:34.240] I think he's putting it quite strongly, but he was emotional, you can understand why.
[25:34.240 -> 25:37.880] And crucially, they didn't listen to what he had to say.
[25:37.880 -> 25:42.320] And he wanted them to go, to be able to go to the stewards, explain what was going on,
[25:42.320 -> 25:49.960] to hear from Fernando, and then know do that but but yeah it would have depended if science was still in it and
[25:49.960 -> 25:53.000] if it was a happy Fernando because it was happy Fernando Fernando was still
[25:53.000 -> 25:56.500] on the podium and Carlos had gone in before then I think Fernando said well
[25:56.500 -> 26:00.240] you know I see a point and maybe there's no mom there particularly if they had
[26:00.240 -> 26:07.200] decided to do the Hulkenberg favoring podium restarting order for Red Flag 3, still with us everybody,
[26:07.200 -> 26:09.280] then you would have still had the angry Fernando.
[26:09.280 -> 26:11.840] Who would have sunk sites and said,
[26:11.840 -> 26:15.040] absolutely he deserves a penalty, given the penalty.
[26:15.040 -> 26:16.800] So that was why he was so surprised.
[26:16.800 -> 26:18.080] We're forgetting the most egregious one,
[26:18.080 -> 26:19.920] which is when Sergeant took out the Vries.
[26:19.920 -> 26:22.560] Yeah, which kind of just went under the radar.
[26:22.560 -> 26:25.520] That was like, I'm sorry, if you're gonna penalize Carlos.
[26:25.520 -> 26:27.520] It was late, the stewards, you know,
[26:27.520 -> 26:28.640] they wanted to go home.
[26:28.640 -> 26:29.480] They had a flight.
[26:29.480 -> 26:30.320] They had a flight.
[26:30.320 -> 26:31.160] Well, they didn't, but.
[26:31.160 -> 26:33.440] No, it has seemed to be gone completely.
[26:33.440 -> 26:34.760] And again, I understand that,
[26:34.760 -> 26:38.080] like if Carlos is, you know, I get it,
[26:38.080 -> 26:39.720] because yeah, why isn't that being punished?
[26:39.720 -> 26:43.080] Like for sure, that one, the Gasly-Ockham one,
[26:43.080 -> 26:44.760] you know, Gasly's gone off track,
[26:44.760 -> 26:47.440] and I still think he's responsible,
[26:47.440 -> 26:50.700] but I think there's more nuance to that one.
[26:50.700 -> 26:52.700] Logan's, you know, breaks later.
[26:52.700 -> 26:53.740] He's not got the break performance
[26:53.740 -> 26:54.720] that he thought he would.
[26:54.720 -> 26:58.660] And he's quite significantly hit De Vries up the backside
[26:58.660 -> 26:59.760] and he's not got a penalty for it.
[26:59.760 -> 27:03.440] So yeah, again, consistency is so often,
[27:03.440 -> 27:07.100] consistency, we want consistency in this sport.
[27:07.100 -> 27:10.400] And it's like, I get it, it's a difficult sport to manage.
[27:10.400 -> 27:11.280] Of course it is.
[27:11.280 -> 27:13.280] It's the most complicated sport in the world, again.
[27:13.280 -> 27:15.060] But consistency.
[27:16.400 -> 27:19.160] I think that's all we as fans and the drivers
[27:19.160 -> 27:36.040] and everyone watching is asking for. Ted, just try and take us through the process that happens here in terms of we've got a
[27:36.040 -> 27:43.000] race director, Nils Vittich, by himself this year, not joined by anyone else.
[27:43.000 -> 27:44.440] How does this happen?
[27:44.440 -> 27:46.280] How are these decisions made?
[27:46.280 -> 27:50.720] So sometimes, let's say there is a,
[27:50.720 -> 27:53.120] the Verstappen-Hamilton, you know,
[27:53.120 -> 27:54.960] something on track where nobody goes off,
[27:54.960 -> 27:56.480] but there is a call in there.
[27:56.480 -> 27:58.320] And Verstappen went onto the radio and said,
[27:58.320 -> 27:59.880] did you see Lewis push me off?
[27:59.880 -> 28:02.800] I was ahead of the, and they say, we're on it.
[28:02.800 -> 28:04.200] So what they do, they'll get on the radio
[28:04.200 -> 28:06.880] and they'll say to the race director, what did you think?
[28:06.880 -> 28:08.920] And the race director will offer an opinion.
[28:08.920 -> 28:10.880] He'll say, well, I think that was fine.
[28:10.880 -> 28:14.160] Or he'll say, I'm going to put it to the stewards.
[28:14.160 -> 28:18.980] And then he will say that there's a driver leaves track
[28:18.980 -> 28:21.480] to gain position and gains position.
[28:21.480 -> 28:22.620] The race director, if that happens,
[28:22.620 -> 28:25.080] will then go back to the other team and say,
[28:25.080 -> 28:27.000] I'm going to put this to the stewards
[28:27.000 -> 28:31.240] unless you choose to reverse the positions
[28:31.240 -> 28:33.720] and give the guy behind the place back.
[28:33.720 -> 28:35.860] Now that was the great, do you remember the offer?
[28:35.860 -> 28:37.760] That's fine, that's always been done.
[28:37.760 -> 28:40.400] And the race director can offer to a team and can say,
[28:40.400 -> 28:44.080] look, if you want to reverse the thing of your own accord,
[28:44.080 -> 28:45.680] then please do that.
[28:45.680 -> 28:47.000] Then it won't go to the stewards.
[28:47.000 -> 28:49.280] It'll be resolved and we can carry on.
[28:49.280 -> 28:50.200] The team then will think,
[28:50.200 -> 28:52.460] okay, we're probably going to lose less if we do that
[28:52.460 -> 28:54.040] than if we wait for the stewards decision
[28:54.040 -> 28:55.800] who's going to give us a five second penalty in Drought Mall.
[28:55.800 -> 28:56.640] I remember that.
[28:56.640 -> 28:57.920] It's like a episode of Deal or No Deal.
[28:57.920 -> 28:59.440] Yeah, but that's always happened.
[28:59.440 -> 29:00.400] It's just that we heard more of it.
[29:00.400 -> 29:01.760] And it's resolved there and then.
[29:01.760 -> 29:03.120] There and then, quite clean.
[29:03.120 -> 29:03.960] Going forward.
[29:03.960 -> 29:04.800] It doesn't have to go to the stewards.
[29:04.800 -> 29:05.520] It's the fair result.
[29:05.520 -> 29:06.120] It's what it is.
[29:06.120 -> 29:06.960] And so other things.
[29:06.960 -> 29:09.160] So with these incidents that we're talking about,
[29:09.160 -> 29:11.360] the race director get prompted by a team,
[29:11.360 -> 29:13.400] or the team asks questions, which is all they're allowed
[29:13.400 -> 29:14.160] to do with the race director.
[29:14.160 -> 29:15.920] Now, Nils Rittich will say, yes, I
[29:15.920 -> 29:17.880] think that's worth the stewards looking at it.
[29:17.880 -> 29:20.680] We'll go to the stewards and say, OK,
[29:20.680 -> 29:21.880] I'd like you to look at this.
[29:21.880 -> 29:23.480] And then they'll do it.
[29:23.480 -> 29:27.420] So it's quite a quick decision for Carlos science for them to do
[29:28.280 -> 29:31.880] Although no, they had the I guess they had the red flag stoppage didn't they they have that to do it?
[29:31.980 -> 29:36.080] because the stewards need to be able to look at all kind of the angles every angle and
[29:36.480 -> 29:41.600] Review telemetry and GPS traces and they want to so that's the process they go to and you can't sir
[29:41.600 -> 29:44.000] I was gonna say you can't pause f1 unless there's a red flag
[29:44.120 -> 29:46.360] It's not like you can just hit the pause button,
[29:46.360 -> 29:48.280] make a decision, say unlike football,
[29:48.280 -> 29:50.480] where you just pause the game, go, right,
[29:50.480 -> 29:51.480] let's have a look at it all,
[29:51.480 -> 29:53.120] make a decision, go on from there.
[29:53.120 -> 29:55.680] In F1, it is, you know, it's moving.
[29:55.680 -> 29:56.920] It's not like a drop ball situation.
[29:56.920 -> 29:58.360] No, it's not.
[29:58.360 -> 30:00.520] Because I just wonder that, you know,
[30:00.520 -> 30:03.840] you've got all these different angles of looking at it.
[30:03.840 -> 30:07.720] And I don't know, it felt to me like,
[30:07.720 -> 30:11.160] like what's the difference when we say lap one,
[30:11.160 -> 30:13.120] drivers are given a bit more leniency,
[30:13.120 -> 30:15.280] yet you can still get a penalty.
[30:15.280 -> 30:18.560] So what is the understanding of that?
[30:18.560 -> 30:20.680] Like when they say leniency,
[30:20.680 -> 30:22.760] is that still just up to human interpretation?
[30:22.760 -> 30:25.280] Because what made them make that call on Carlos? It was a lap one incident. yw hynny'n dal i ddiffyg ymdrechol? Oherwydd beth wnaeth y cwbl hwnnw
[30:25.280 -> 30:26.440] gwneud y cwrdd ar Carlos?
[30:26.440 -> 30:28.840] Roedd hwnnw'n brosiect o'r llwybr.
[30:28.840 -> 30:33.840] Rwy'n credu, yn unol i Lance a Charles,
[30:33.840 -> 30:36.040] roedd dim ond y ddau cario yno,
[30:36.040 -> 30:37.640] ac un oedd yn mynd i mewn, un oedd yn mynd allan.
[30:37.640 -> 30:39.840] Ac roeddent yn ymdrech, os oeddwn yn cofio'r sgrin,
[30:39.840 -> 30:42.240] y rheolwr yn gyngor,
[30:42.240 -> 30:44.560] yw bod Carlos ddim yn gwneud
[30:44.560 -> 30:47.040] digon o gynnig i ddod o'r cysylltiad. Ac roedd ganddo rhan ar ei ffyrdd that the stewards did incorrectly was that Charles, there was that Carlos did not make enough of a attempt to avoid the collision.
[30:47.040 -> 30:50.220] And he had space on his inside that he could have gone into,
[30:50.220 -> 30:52.280] but kind of didn't, was already going through the corner.
[30:52.280 -> 30:53.100] Fernando went off there,
[30:53.100 -> 30:55.840] whereas Lance was in the middle,
[30:55.840 -> 30:57.880] Charles was coming in from the side,
[30:57.880 -> 30:59.440] and then Lance didn't really have anywhere to go
[30:59.440 -> 31:01.120] because Fernando was there as well.
[31:01.120 -> 31:03.240] So I think that that's where the leniency comes in,
[31:03.240 -> 31:04.760] is that they understand there are gonna be more track,
[31:04.760 -> 31:07.920] more cars on track together on the first lap
[31:07.920 -> 31:09.600] than in something like that.
[31:09.600 -> 31:10.440] But you know what I like?
[31:10.440 -> 31:14.800] I think Lance missed a trick here on the final,
[31:14.800 -> 31:18.160] let's see how many people we can get to benefit
[31:18.160 -> 31:22.360] from Carlos Sainz's red penalty.
[31:22.360 -> 31:24.600] Wouldn't it have been really sneaky
[31:24.600 -> 31:25.280] if Lance had dropped back to 4.8 seconds Red penalty wouldn't it have been really sneaky if
[31:29.920 -> 31:30.880] Lance had dropped back to four point eight seconds
[31:32.720 -> 31:38.280] behind Carlos Mmm to have made sure that I was the only one yeah that would have benefited from this five seconds
[31:38.280 -> 31:45.440] But if Lance was feeling particularly naughty he could have which he isn't he could have dropped back to 4.9 can you
[31:45.440 -> 31:50.040] imagine and then all those people behind him would have said Lance we didn't get
[31:50.040 -> 31:58.000] any points, what are you playing at? Go right behind him so we can get some points. He was like well it's my prerogative, I can do that.
[31:58.000 -> 32:02.640] That restart at the end and I know you mentioned it earlier it was strange to
[32:02.640 -> 32:07.160] have this formality of them going out behind the safety car for no...
[32:08.240 -> 32:10.960] Well, you say that, Hulkenberg had issues.
[32:10.960 -> 32:12.520] He almost didn't make it.
[32:12.520 -> 32:14.560] He really actually came really close to not make it,
[32:14.560 -> 32:15.400] which would have been a hue,
[32:15.400 -> 32:16.600] because what, six points on the board for that?
[32:16.600 -> 32:18.240] So I guess, yeah, that does kind of prove the point.
[32:18.240 -> 32:22.480] I guess it's like, you've got to get your car around
[32:22.480 -> 32:25.400] under its own, which obviously why the Alpines couldn't,
[32:25.400 -> 32:26.760] because they were destroyed.
[32:26.760 -> 32:28.820] To go back to your point as well about sporting integrity,
[32:28.820 -> 32:30.520] you've got to have a car that can finish
[32:30.520 -> 32:31.640] the 58 laps of the race.
[32:31.640 -> 32:33.480] Well, look, and again, this is another thing
[32:33.480 -> 32:34.960] that we know this was talked about,
[32:34.960 -> 32:38.340] I think it was last season or maybe 21,
[32:38.340 -> 32:39.960] that there's this kind of unwritten rule
[32:39.960 -> 32:41.640] that there's always going to be this attempt
[32:41.640 -> 32:44.640] to try and finish the race in green flag conditions,
[32:44.640 -> 32:47.640] which on the face of it, no one wants to see,
[32:47.640 -> 32:48.560] maybe Lawrence Stroll,
[32:48.560 -> 32:50.520] because he has to mount a safety car,
[32:50.520 -> 32:51.560] great exposure for that,
[32:51.560 -> 32:55.360] but no one wants to see a race finish under safety car.
[32:55.360 -> 32:57.360] Monza, I was going to say Monza last year,
[32:57.360 -> 32:59.600] was so disappointing behind the safety car.
[32:59.600 -> 33:02.040] It almost felt like we were robbed of a race,
[33:02.040 -> 33:03.040] really, at the end.
[33:03.040 -> 33:05.000] And again, I think the argument was like,
[33:05.000 -> 33:07.760] you had the cherry picker on the track for Daniel's car.
[33:07.760 -> 33:10.440] And look, I just think it's one of them things that,
[33:10.440 -> 33:12.480] I think more from what I've seen anyway,
[33:12.480 -> 33:16.060] I think more old school motorsport fans are more open
[33:16.060 -> 33:18.520] to seeing a race finish under a safety car.
[33:18.520 -> 33:20.080] However, even, you know,
[33:20.080 -> 33:21.380] I've been watching this sport my entire life.
[33:21.380 -> 33:26.000] Like when there was this prospect of this two lap sprint and maybe another
[33:26.000 -> 33:27.640] lap right at the end, just on its own.
[33:28.000 -> 33:31.320] Well, of course I'd want to see that from an entertainment point of view more,
[33:31.680 -> 33:36.600] but at the, at the expense of sport and integrity, that's where this
[33:36.600 -> 33:39.240] conversation is, that's where there's this balance.
[33:39.280 -> 33:39.800] I think it is.
[33:39.840 -> 33:42.840] I mean, they, they, they stuck to the rules and that's what happens.
[33:42.840 -> 33:46.520] They, it would have been stranger to argue
[33:46.520 -> 33:49.360] just to say the race will not resume,
[33:49.360 -> 33:51.600] which is one of the options that I think I said on air
[33:51.600 -> 33:52.720] that they could do.
[33:52.720 -> 33:53.960] They could say, but that's it.
[33:53.960 -> 33:56.240] And it was over 75% at this point.
[33:56.240 -> 33:57.080] So it would have been full points.
[33:57.080 -> 33:58.720] They could do that.
[33:58.720 -> 33:59.640] It would have been a bit odd.
[33:59.640 -> 34:01.440] And you would have had then the stewards
[34:01.440 -> 34:03.760] and the race director would have been open to teams saying,
[34:03.760 -> 34:05.880] well, hang on, why did you say this?
[34:05.880 -> 34:07.720] To which the answer the race director was being,
[34:07.720 -> 34:10.400] well, you know, you lads can't really, you know,
[34:10.400 -> 34:12.400] keep it together and not cannon into each other.
[34:12.400 -> 34:13.680] So I thought you've had your lot.
[34:13.680 -> 34:14.800] It's time to call it a day.
[34:14.800 -> 34:16.120] Esteban said this after, he was like,
[34:16.120 -> 34:18.200] the drivers have to take responsibility.
[34:18.200 -> 34:20.240] I think for a lot of the shunts that happened,
[34:20.240 -> 34:22.240] but also like, I know in NASCAR, they had laps.
[34:22.240 -> 34:23.880] Now, obviously we have limited fuel.
[34:23.880 -> 34:26.440] You can't refuel during a race, but I don't know.
[34:26.440 -> 34:27.600] Is that a solution?
[34:27.600 -> 34:29.800] If you've got a red flag within, I don't know,
[34:29.800 -> 34:32.280] so far, like towards the end of the race,
[34:32.280 -> 34:34.480] can you top everyone up with a bit of fuel?
[34:34.480 -> 34:36.480] And add a couple of laps?
[34:36.480 -> 34:37.320] I don't know.
[34:37.320 -> 34:39.600] There's no perfect scenario.
[34:39.600 -> 34:41.620] There's no perfect way of doing it.
[34:41.620 -> 34:42.960] But again, I think it's just,
[34:42.960 -> 34:44.080] it's important to talk about this
[34:44.080 -> 34:44.920] and have these conversations.
[34:44.920 -> 34:45.580] And I understand from a driver's point of view, a team it's just, it's important to talk about this and have these conversations and understand
[34:45.580 -> 34:46.880] from a driver's point of view,
[34:46.880 -> 34:47.800] a team point of view,
[34:47.800 -> 34:49.040] they've got their own vested interest,
[34:49.040 -> 34:51.160] but also the product has to work for us
[34:51.160 -> 34:52.540] because if the fans aren't there,
[34:52.540 -> 34:54.200] then the sport doesn't exist.
[34:54.200 -> 34:55.040] I don't mind it.
[34:55.040 -> 34:58.100] I mean, I'm a bit of an older,
[34:58.100 -> 35:00.040] I'm older than you, Whipple.
[35:00.040 -> 35:02.840] If one or two, one race a year finishes under safety car,
[35:02.840 -> 35:03.680] I haven't got a problem with it.
[35:03.680 -> 35:04.720] I mean, it's not,
[35:04.720 -> 35:07.520] do people need to have that photograph of the guy
[35:07.520 -> 35:08.680] crossing the line?
[35:08.680 -> 35:10.480] And is that an important thing?
[35:10.480 -> 35:11.800] Or, you know, in the season?
[35:11.800 -> 35:12.960] You mean for sponsors or for now?
[35:12.960 -> 35:14.480] Or just for Formula One?
[35:14.480 -> 35:16.880] Do you need to have, does it get in the way
[35:16.880 -> 35:18.520] if the safety car's kind of there,
[35:18.520 -> 35:19.640] but then the safety car goes off
[35:19.640 -> 35:20.840] and the guy just goes slowly?
[35:20.840 -> 35:24.240] You need to have a person waving the chequered flag
[35:24.240 -> 35:30.800] rather than just... Is it any different to someone winning by 20 seconds? Like, is the excitement any different?
[35:30.800 -> 35:34.640] Because, you know, when someone dominates wins a race by 20 seconds and then there's a 10 second
[35:34.640 -> 35:39.200] gap between second and third, for example, like, is that any more or less exciting than finish
[35:39.200 -> 35:44.640] under a safety car? It's probably about equal, right? I think it's the, the, when you drop,
[35:44.640 -> 35:46.720] when there's an instance towards the end,
[35:46.720 -> 35:49.240] there is this kind of, oh, what's going to happen now?
[35:49.240 -> 35:50.440] Like, you're going to bunch the field up,
[35:50.440 -> 35:51.920] you're going to potentially get some overtakes.
[35:51.920 -> 35:53.960] And it's that potential excitement, I think,
[35:53.960 -> 35:57.040] that then as fans, we get carried away with.
[35:57.040 -> 35:59.600] You can't deny the standing starts are exciting.
[35:59.600 -> 36:00.440] Of course.
[36:00.440 -> 36:03.160] Yes, because we didn't know
[36:03.160 -> 36:06.400] whether Red Bull had some sort of issue.
[36:06.400 -> 36:08.400] They'd lost out on the first start.
[36:08.400 -> 36:09.400] Yes, of course.
[36:09.400 -> 36:10.400] Quite considerably to George Russell.
[36:10.400 -> 36:11.400] Russell had a fantastic start.
[36:11.400 -> 36:12.400] Great start.
[36:12.400 -> 36:13.400] And the Stappans do that.
[36:13.400 -> 36:14.400] Oh, well, no, no, no.
[36:14.400 -> 36:15.400] That was quite interesting for me.
[36:15.400 -> 36:17.900] Is this a weakness of this all-conquering Red Bull?
[36:17.900 -> 36:21.900] That actually, on this day in history, are they not getting great starts?
[36:21.900 -> 36:27.040] And if there's another one, and another one,, is that gonna be the bear trap that I spoke about
[36:27.040 -> 36:31.960] at the beginning where Max Verstappen doesn't come through
[36:31.960 -> 36:34.740] and exorcise the demons of Melbourne?
[36:34.740 -> 36:38.120] And that's why actually I felt it was such a crucial win
[36:38.120 -> 36:39.240] for Verstappen.
[36:39.240 -> 36:40.760] Maybe I should ask him a question
[36:40.760 -> 36:42.080] that you're about to ask later.
[36:42.080 -> 36:44.600] That he avoided all of these things.
[36:44.600 -> 36:47.880] He avoided all the restarts. Maybe Red Bull doesn't have a great car off the line
[36:47.980 -> 36:53.540] He avoided all the red flags. He avoided all of that and actually that was as much of an achievement
[36:53.540 -> 36:58.200] Yeah as his wins by 30 seconds. Yeah is is that there were lots of things out there
[36:59.040 -> 37:01.740] to trip him up and to make the
[37:04.020 -> 37:07.120] Tantalizing Melbourne win that's been denied him for so long
[37:07.760 -> 37:14.660] Actually achievable and there was relief you could sense from Red Bull after but they've done it that they came there
[37:14.700 -> 37:17.340] They came to Melbourne to win that race
[37:17.340 -> 37:22.500] Do you remember I spoke to Max on Thursday and he said and I said if I was to offer you second now
[37:22.520 -> 37:25.560] Would you take it? He was like no no way no way
[37:25.560 -> 37:31.480] I'm here. I've had terrible luck here. I've had DNF. So the best of my finish has been third. I
[37:32.160 -> 37:35.920] Want that win and there were and he was for all right between laps
[37:36.440 -> 37:41.040] 9 and 50 whatever it was 50. He was gonna get that win. No problem
[37:41.160 -> 37:47.000] But then at the end there were the little gremlins coming out to steal the win away from him.
[37:47.000 -> 37:48.760] But, you know, all credit to Max
[37:48.760 -> 37:51.240] because he managed to avoid all of them to win.
[37:51.240 -> 37:53.560] That's why I think it was such a crucial win for him.
[37:53.560 -> 37:55.640] And not even for Max, like Red Bull hadn't won this.
[37:55.640 -> 37:57.440] Red Bull hadn't won this, yeah, 2011, yeah.
[37:57.440 -> 37:58.720] So, 12 years.
[37:58.720 -> 38:01.360] As Christian Horner said on the radio afterwards,
[38:01.360 -> 38:04.760] do you think he has the stat man's list of statistics?
[38:04.760 -> 38:05.200] Do you think he gets the email?'s list of statistics? Do you think he
[38:05.200 -> 38:12.440] gets the email? To let people in on a production thing. We have a stat man who sends an email just
[38:12.440 -> 38:17.520] before, what, five laps before the end of the race? Yeah. Nice. Saying this will be, sorry to give away
[38:17.520 -> 38:23.760] Crofty's, I'm sure he has it all in his head, this will be their first Red Bulls first win since 2011
[38:23.760 -> 38:27.380] you know this this order is the most champions we've had in a in a top three or
[38:27.380 -> 38:30.800] whatever but then Christian's always ready with a little stat isn't he on the
[38:30.800 -> 38:34.580] radio afterwards maybe he's giving him a line to say in the interviews afterwards
[38:34.580 -> 38:39.600] yeah I'm very happy that's a Red Bull's first win since 2011. Since we're on Red Bull let's
[38:39.600 -> 38:43.880] let's just just talk about their their weekend and their pace because obviously
[38:43.880 -> 38:46.240] Perez had let's call it a shocker,
[38:46.240 -> 38:49.800] on Saturday, it was not a good day for him.
[38:49.800 -> 38:53.240] However, I do wonder, with all the madness and the chaos
[38:53.240 -> 38:55.360] that we've just gone through with the red flags,
[38:55.360 -> 38:57.240] did that hide the fact that Verstappen
[38:57.240 -> 38:59.160] was actually still super fast?
[38:59.160 -> 39:01.360] And, you know, I mean, there was a point
[39:01.360 -> 39:04.480] where he was two second, after he overtook Hamilton,
[39:04.480 -> 39:05.120] by the end of the lap,
[39:05.120 -> 39:06.560] he was two seconds in front of him.
[39:06.560 -> 39:07.400] Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it?
[39:07.400 -> 39:10.040] It's, you know, Max didn't have to take big risks
[39:10.040 -> 39:14.080] at the start, you know, I think depending on the context
[39:14.080 -> 39:19.080] of the season, you know, Max didn't fight Lewis taking,
[39:19.200 -> 39:22.520] making that move up the inside as hard as probably
[39:22.520 -> 39:24.720] he would have in the past because he knew he had the car
[39:24.720 -> 39:25.160] underneath him
[39:25.160 -> 39:26.920] to make the way and you don't need to take those risks.
[39:26.920 -> 39:29.520] Like it would be, it'd be silly to made that pass.
[39:29.520 -> 39:32.400] And yeah, obviously opening up two seconds in a sector
[39:32.400 -> 39:33.240] on the face of it.
[39:33.240 -> 39:36.520] Now, again, I'm not sure how quick Lewis was
[39:36.520 -> 39:38.040] in that second sector as well.
[39:38.040 -> 39:40.040] I think maybe, I think Lewis went a bit slower
[39:40.040 -> 39:43.800] in that sector so that maybe amplified how big that,
[39:43.800 -> 39:45.600] but that's still a huge, I mean the way
[39:45.600 -> 39:52.320] that Red Bull shifts with the RS Open is unreal. It looks like a Formula 2 car, it's crazy.
[39:52.320 -> 39:58.160] And again, like credit to, you've got to say credit to Red Bull for developing such a package
[39:58.160 -> 40:01.040] because you look through the rest of the field, everyone's scored a point now as well in the
[40:01.040 -> 40:06.280] constructors with three races in, you know, in terms of the rest of the field,
[40:06.280 -> 40:08.680] I think there is a degree of kind of parity there
[40:08.680 -> 40:11.480] when you look at the gap between, you know, P2 and P10.
[40:12.440 -> 40:15.080] But Red Bull just done an absolute worldie at the minute.
[40:15.080 -> 40:18.000] What's fascinating for me is that we now have
[40:18.000 -> 40:20.960] with Max Verstappen with a championship to think about
[40:20.960 -> 40:23.600] a complete flip of the seasons,
[40:23.600 -> 40:28.600] the Mercedes Lewis Hamilton seasons from 2014 to 2021,
[40:28.820 -> 40:30.280] when Hamilton's been going for the championship,
[40:30.280 -> 40:31.800] he knows he's got the fastest car,
[40:31.800 -> 40:34.500] he needs to play it safe.
[40:34.500 -> 40:36.440] And you've got the upstart Max Verstappen
[40:36.440 -> 40:38.060] challenging him and wanting to get in there.
[40:38.060 -> 40:40.600] And you know, it's completely flipped, isn't it?
[40:40.600 -> 40:43.180] So now you've got the upstart Lewis Hamilton
[40:43.180 -> 40:44.480] challenging Max Verstappen saying,
[40:44.480 -> 40:46.240] I'm not going to take take you know, no cares given
[40:46.240 -> 40:49.280] I'm not I'm not gonna I'm not I'm out there to take all the risks
[40:49.280 -> 40:54.520] Yeah, as Hamilton says yeah, and putting it on, you know, the championship defender Max was tapping
[40:54.520 -> 40:59.240] So I've got to think about my championship here, you know, and you've got Lewis Hamilton. It's so weird
[40:59.240 -> 41:02.720] Yeah, honey, isn't it? We've got that Hamilton. No, he's not gonna win the championship this year
[41:02.720 -> 41:04.680] Not unless something really weird happens
[41:04.680 -> 41:05.000] So he can go in there be aggressive with the Staphan and know that the Staphan is probably gonna have to give way which is Ond Hamilton yw'n gwybod nad ydw i'n gyflawni'r Campio'r flwyddyn, nid ymhlith beth sy'n digwydd yn ddifrifol.
[41:05.000 -> 41:08.000] Gallwch chi fynd yno, gael eich cymryd agresif gyda Verstappen
[41:08.000 -> 41:10.000] ac gwybod bod Verstappen yn rhaid iddo ddod o'i gyd,
[41:10.000 -> 41:13.000] sy'n unig beth sydd wedi digwydd 21-20.
[41:15.000 -> 41:17.000] Yn ogystal â'r pwynt o Perez,
[41:17.000 -> 41:19.000] a ydyn ni'n edrych yn ôl ar y diwethaf?
[41:19.000 -> 41:22.000] Mae'n 15 pwynt ar gyfer Perez yn y Campio'r Flwyddyn.
[41:22.000 -> 41:24.000] Rwy'n gwybod, rydyn ni'n trwy-drechau i lawr,
[41:24.000 -> 41:28.580] dros ddwy-drech o seswn. Ond dyma oedd y diwethaf 15 points ahead of Perez in the championship. I know, look, we're three races down of a 23 race season, but this was the weekend
[41:28.580 -> 41:32.520] where Perez, after Saudi, looks like, you know,
[41:32.520 -> 41:35.120] I mean, if he's here to stay
[41:35.120 -> 41:36.880] and he keeps putting in those performances.
[41:36.880 -> 41:38.040] Are you about to say this is the weekend
[41:38.040 -> 41:38.880] where the wheels came off
[41:38.880 -> 41:39.720] Checo Perez's championship challenge?
[41:39.720 -> 41:41.920] Not quite, I don't want to say it like that.
[41:41.920 -> 41:44.720] I just wonder if this was one of those
[41:44.720 -> 41:47.000] that we'll look back on in say three or four races time,
[41:47.000 -> 41:47.840] maybe for leaders race.
[41:47.840 -> 41:49.200] No, it was never clarified.
[41:49.200 -> 41:51.800] The team couldn't find anything wrong with the car.
[41:51.800 -> 41:54.880] Because I know Caruna had a theory, didn't they?
[41:54.880 -> 41:56.480] Because we've seen that in the past where, you know,
[41:56.480 -> 41:59.040] you turn in and there's still a degree of throttle on it.
[41:59.040 -> 42:00.400] So it kind of pushes the car out.
[42:00.400 -> 42:03.000] They changed the brakes in Park Ferme.
[42:03.000 -> 42:06.600] If anything else, just to rule that out.
[42:06.600 -> 42:09.440] So the brake material, calipers,
[42:09.440 -> 42:10.680] and I don't think they changed the calipers,
[42:10.680 -> 42:12.240] but the pads and the discs,
[42:12.240 -> 42:13.280] because we get a list of everything
[42:13.280 -> 42:14.160] that's changed in Park Ferme.
[42:14.160 -> 42:15.840] So they did change Sheko's brakes
[42:15.840 -> 42:17.680] and some other little things.
[42:17.680 -> 42:18.520] But Sheko said straight away,
[42:18.520 -> 42:20.160] it was like, it's the same issue.
[42:20.160 -> 42:21.000] It's not fixed.
[42:21.000 -> 42:21.840] You've not fixed it.
[42:21.840 -> 42:23.320] But they couldn't find,
[42:23.320 -> 42:24.160] they certainly didn't,
[42:24.160 -> 42:26.040] which is why they didn't say publicly,
[42:26.040 -> 42:28.240] yes, this is what we found after qualifying for Trekker.
[42:28.240 -> 42:30.400] Which if they haven't found it, that's pretty concerning.
[42:30.400 -> 42:31.240] Yeah.
[42:31.240 -> 42:32.080] I mean, like,
[42:32.080 -> 42:32.900] It could just be one of those.
[42:32.900 -> 42:34.880] Well, that's the, I think each race so far,
[42:34.880 -> 42:36.560] at least one of the drivers has complained
[42:36.560 -> 42:39.480] of some sort of issue, like either during,
[42:39.480 -> 42:41.440] well, particularly during the race in Saudi,
[42:41.440 -> 42:43.080] I know Max was talking about the gear shifts and that.
[42:43.080 -> 42:49.400] So again, that's the one kind of, if you're looking for a multi-team
[42:49.400 -> 42:53.600] championship fight, I think, you know, Red Bull's car and performance is so clear
[42:53.600 -> 42:56.000] at the minute, but will the reliability bite them?
[42:56.000 -> 42:57.100] Again, you can say that about any team.
[42:57.100 -> 43:02.100] We had Lance, Mercedes-powered car, Konkat in Saudi, we had Russell,
[43:02.100 -> 43:05.200] another Mercedes-powered, which Mercedes, that was their thing last year.
[43:05.200 -> 43:07.080] You know, it wasn't about ultimate performance.
[43:07.080 -> 43:09.280] It was about consistently being up there,
[43:09.280 -> 43:11.880] consistently finishing, consistently getting good points.
[43:11.880 -> 43:14.520] And yeah, I think with Checo, you know,
[43:14.520 -> 43:18.000] he's blinding start to the season, of course.
[43:18.960 -> 43:22.640] I think that it's maintaining that, you know,
[43:22.640 -> 43:24.880] Valtteri's talked about this when he was alongside Lewis,
[43:24.880 -> 43:25.960] you know, winning in Australia, to have a strong he was alongside Lewis, you know, winning Australia,
[43:25.960 -> 43:27.300] they have a strong start to the season,
[43:27.300 -> 43:29.880] but having that ability to go toe to toe
[43:29.880 -> 43:31.880] with someone like Lewis Hamilton
[43:31.880 -> 43:34.720] and Checo's got the same challenge with Max now,
[43:34.720 -> 43:38.480] to do that week in, week out and maintain a title fight
[43:38.480 -> 43:40.760] is, it's a lot to ask.
[43:42.080 -> 43:43.440] And I hope Checo can do it
[43:43.440 -> 43:45.040] because there's nothing more I'd love to see
[43:45.040 -> 43:46.960] than a Checo championship fight.
[43:46.960 -> 43:48.440] That would be phenomenal.
[43:48.440 -> 43:50.320] He'll win another race or two, but.
[43:51.560 -> 43:54.320] But I mean, Max Verstappen is just on a level.
[43:54.320 -> 43:56.640] Saudi, forget about Saudi.
[43:56.640 -> 43:57.880] This is me.
[43:57.880 -> 44:02.380] Even with the koala, not a bear traps.
[44:02.380 -> 44:04.640] What I would also say is despite,
[44:04.640 -> 44:05.580] you know, and this is great
[44:05.580 -> 44:06.420] for the rest of the season,
[44:06.420 -> 44:08.240] despite having a race that Verstappen won,
[44:08.240 -> 44:09.920] and Verstappen won at a canter,
[44:09.920 -> 44:12.440] what an amazing weekend we had,
[44:12.440 -> 44:13.760] and what a competitive field we had,
[44:13.760 -> 44:15.360] and there was so much of interest
[44:15.360 -> 44:16.640] that happened across the race.
[44:16.640 -> 44:17.520] This is great.
[44:17.520 -> 44:19.800] Until Max stunked, what, 4 tenths in qualifying
[44:19.800 -> 44:23.400] and everyone else, the gaps in Q3,
[44:23.400 -> 44:25.000] from the top five were within
[44:25.000 -> 44:27.120] a tenth and a half, two tenths, whatever.
[44:27.120 -> 44:31.300] Like, again, there is, there's a lot to be,
[44:31.300 -> 44:35.000] as much as yes, Max Red Bull looks very ominous,
[44:35.000 -> 44:37.640] looks very like it's going to be a walkaway season.
[44:37.640 -> 44:40.160] Potentially, it depends on how much, you know,
[44:40.160 -> 44:42.280] Aston Martin, what's up until June 30th.
[44:42.280 -> 44:44.520] They've got all this ATR time,
[44:44.520 -> 44:48.160] this a hundred percent ATR Aston Martin have got relative to Red Bull.
[44:48.160 -> 44:49.680] That's going to come down after then.
[44:49.680 -> 44:50.640] Can they capitalize?
[44:50.640 -> 44:51.640] Can they make the most of it?
[44:51.640 -> 44:53.720] Because I know Red Bull have been quite vocal
[44:53.720 -> 44:55.920] in that they're quite worried
[44:55.920 -> 44:57.840] about how the other team's catching up.
[44:57.840 -> 45:00.720] So they want to strike while the iron's hot now.
[45:00.720 -> 45:01.560] And I guess it's in their,
[45:01.560 -> 45:02.640] like, of course they're going to do that.
[45:02.640 -> 45:04.400] You know, do we think everyone's going to catch up
[45:04.400 -> 45:06.120] by the end of the season?
[45:06.120 -> 45:09.840] Maybe, but I mean, they have to just,
[45:09.840 -> 45:11.240] Red Bull have to act like that, don't they?
[45:11.240 -> 45:13.040] They have to act like they're going to lose their advantage.
[45:13.040 -> 45:15.800] Yeah, but they had some nice upgrades this race.
[45:15.800 -> 45:17.640] They had a new front wing, new front wing end plates,
[45:17.640 -> 45:20.460] new rear brake ducts as well.
[45:20.460 -> 45:21.480] But no, you're right, Matthew,
[45:21.480 -> 45:27.160] because you know, it was good to see McLaren get points because you know, we were all very worried about them.
[45:27.160 -> 45:29.600] They were the team most under pressure going into Melbourne.
[45:29.600 -> 45:31.600] Sorry, are we going to do Melbourne?
[45:31.600 -> 45:32.600] No, no, please.
[45:32.600 -> 45:33.600] Yeah, yeah.
[45:33.600 -> 45:37.040] And you know, Zach Brown did this big interview with Rachel about what's going wrong.
[45:37.040 -> 45:38.960] And he made the good points.
[45:38.960 -> 45:44.560] Look, Saudi was compromised because of the front wing and front wing debris.
[45:44.560 -> 45:46.880] Bahrain was compromised because of Lando with the air
[45:46.880 -> 45:50.120] and Oscar with, he had an electronics problem, didn't he?
[45:50.120 -> 45:50.960] It was a DNF.
[45:50.960 -> 45:51.780] And the wheel kept-
[45:51.780 -> 45:54.920] Yeah, so, you know, it was, they just needed
[45:54.920 -> 45:56.480] a clean weekend and McLaren got points.
[45:56.480 -> 45:57.800] I thought that was critical for them.
[45:57.800 -> 45:58.960] I thought it was good to see Zhou Guangyu
[45:58.960 -> 46:01.400] get the first points for himself as well.
[46:01.400 -> 46:04.280] And, cause Valtteri already has points.
[46:04.280 -> 46:07.760] And to back up what you're saying Tomo all the teams have have points now
[46:08.160 -> 46:12.560] uh good points for Hulkenberg, even though Kevin Magnussen already scored points for Haas and
[46:13.440 -> 46:17.520] So happy as you say to see Yuki get points as well because you know, he's
[46:18.160 -> 46:21.680] Just needs he needed that I think could have been should have been more
[46:22.160 -> 46:27.720] Should have probably got a point before he got taken off one in Saudi by Kevin Magnussen.
[46:27.720 -> 46:29.360] So yeah, with Williams already having the points,
[46:29.360 -> 46:31.520] yeah, it's quite rare for all of the teams
[46:31.520 -> 46:34.360] to have scored points by only lap three.
[46:34.360 -> 46:35.520] Where's Statman when you need him?
[46:35.520 -> 46:37.200] Oh, well, where are my emails?
[46:37.200 -> 46:40.200] So every team apart from Alfa Romeo and Alfa Tauri
[46:40.200 -> 46:43.280] have gotten to Q3 in three races.
[46:43.280 -> 46:45.200] It's only those two teams who haven't had a presence
[46:45.200 -> 46:46.760] from at least one driver in Q3.
[46:46.760 -> 46:51.760] So yeah, again, that speaks to somewhat the,
[46:52.200 -> 46:54.200] and again, yes, Red Bull are clear,
[46:54.200 -> 46:56.400] but when you look at the rest of the field,
[46:56.400 -> 46:59.600] that I feel like there has been some degree of convergence.
[46:59.600 -> 47:02.960] And look, for me, if we're going to talk, you know,
[47:02.960 -> 47:09.000] regulations, it was always going to be a big ask for after one season for the whole field to converge. I mi, os byddem yn siarad am rheoliadau, roedd yn bwysig i'r holl ffyrdd i'r ffyrdd i'r llyfrgell.
[47:09.000 -> 47:12.000] Roedd yn bwysig i'r holl ffyrdd i'r ffyrdd i'r llyfrgell.
[47:12.000 -> 47:20.000] Mae'r personnel historig, talent, a'r penni sydd wedi'u cael gan Red Bull, Ferrari, Mercedes,
[47:20.000 -> 47:23.000] y gŵylau bwysig, yn ystod y gŵylau gwastraffol.
[47:23.000 -> 47:25.760] Bydd yn cymryd amser, nid yw'r cyllideb yn mynd i newid hynny'n ystod y gŵylau gwastraffol. Mae'n rhoi ystod o werth i'r gŵylau hwn. all the big teams had relative to the bottom teams. It's going to take time. The budget cap's not going to change that overnight.
[47:25.760 -> 47:28.800] It's still giving a degree of merit to these teams.
[47:29.800 -> 47:31.280] I think, you know, Haas, for example,
[47:31.280 -> 47:33.400] I think their pace is really good.
[47:33.400 -> 47:35.280] Look at Gasly's pace in the race.
[47:35.280 -> 47:37.200] He was right up there with, you know,
[47:37.200 -> 47:40.400] Carlos and Lance, and it wasn't a mile off at all.
[47:40.400 -> 47:42.320] Even Lando's pace was pretty good.
[47:42.320 -> 47:45.200] So I think your point on McLaren, Ted,
[47:45.200 -> 47:47.360] it's like that Baku upgrade.
[47:47.360 -> 47:52.360] ♪♪♪
[47:57.480 -> 47:59.400] Yeah, that's the next race, of course.
[47:59.400 -> 48:02.200] I'll tell you who will be happy about this weird
[48:02.200 -> 48:05.680] sort of early term, half term, four weeks.
[48:05.680 -> 48:06.680] Spring break.
[48:06.680 -> 48:07.680] Spring break.
[48:07.680 -> 48:08.680] Yeah.
[48:08.680 -> 48:09.680] Yeah.
[48:09.680 -> 48:10.680] Spring break.
[48:10.680 -> 48:11.680] Good.
[48:11.680 -> 48:12.680] Spring break.
[48:12.680 -> 48:13.680] And that's Alpine.
[48:13.680 -> 48:14.680] Because there was some thought that both those cars were write-offs.
[48:14.680 -> 48:15.680] I'm surprised.
[48:15.680 -> 48:18.680] That the significant damage to the chassis.
[48:18.680 -> 48:19.680] That is an expensive, expensive weekend, isn't it?
[48:19.680 -> 48:23.200] It was very expensive to have two cars.
[48:23.200 -> 48:25.720] And if we had a back-to-back race,
[48:25.720 -> 48:27.680] Alpine would have been really up against it.
[48:27.680 -> 48:30.560] Really, I mean, we never got close enough to have a look,
[48:30.560 -> 48:33.440] but it was remarked to me by a couple of other teams
[48:33.440 -> 48:35.760] that they think that might have been two Alpine write-offs.
[48:35.760 -> 48:40.040] And just explain how many spare parts and cars
[48:40.040 -> 48:41.200] these teams have.
[48:41.200 -> 48:42.600] Well, they would have,
[48:42.600 -> 48:43.740] for the first couple of races,
[48:43.740 -> 48:45.500] they would have chassis one and chassis two. They'd probably have chassis zero, which would have, so they'd have, for the first couple of races, they would have chassis one and chassis two.
[48:45.500 -> 48:46.880] They'd probably have chassis zero,
[48:46.880 -> 48:48.600] which would have been the crash test chassis,
[48:48.600 -> 48:50.120] or maybe they name it differently,
[48:50.120 -> 48:51.480] it's one, two, and three.
[48:51.480 -> 48:52.600] So they would have had three chassis,
[48:52.600 -> 48:54.260] because one, you have to do the crash test on,
[48:54.260 -> 48:55.220] two, you race.
[48:56.160 -> 48:58.500] And one of those would have been the test car as well.
[48:58.500 -> 49:00.080] And they would have been busy at this point,
[49:00.080 -> 49:01.680] building up chassis number four,
[49:01.680 -> 49:04.420] or three, depending on how you number them.
[49:04.420 -> 49:11.100] And then, so now, the Alpine will have to get that new chassis in definitely and then
[49:11.100 -> 49:15.840] probably repair hope that either Gasly's or Ocon's isn't damaged beyond a sort of
[49:15.840 -> 49:20.340] good chassis and how long how long does it take to build that to build a chassis
[49:20.340 -> 49:25.560] as it were about a month really Wow't it about half a million dollars?
[49:25.560 -> 49:26.920] I've seen that number chucked around.
[49:26.920 -> 49:30.000] Oh yeah, you've got to put everything together.
[49:30.000 -> 49:33.920] In amongst all of the tub, you've got to put all the metal bits for all the fixings and
[49:33.920 -> 49:34.920] everything like that.
[49:34.920 -> 49:38.360] I mean, it would have been in production because they'd know they would have needed another
[49:38.360 -> 49:40.480] tub, spare tub.
[49:40.480 -> 49:44.020] So they'll need the four weeks definitely.
[49:44.020 -> 49:47.640] One team that had a really good weekend was Mercedes.
[49:47.640 -> 49:52.400] And I think aside from the Russell fire that happened, he was running really, really well,
[49:52.400 -> 49:53.400] was going to have a good race.
[49:53.400 -> 49:55.720] Hamilton was also leading the Grand Prix.
[49:55.720 -> 49:59.000] And then the qualifying pace, P2 Russell, P3 Hamilton.
[49:59.000 -> 50:03.880] I've got a tweet here that says, do you think Mercedes' problems are a little overstated
[50:03.880 -> 50:05.160] or is their car really
[50:05.160 -> 50:09.120] that unpredictable? One week they want to bin the concept, the next week they say they
[50:09.120 -> 50:11.920] could have won the race. Could they have won the race?
[50:11.920 -> 50:14.760] Well, if Verstappen had dropped out, they could have won the race.
[50:14.760 -> 50:15.760] Yeah, true.
[50:15.760 -> 50:18.680] No, I mean, they're still six tenths behind Red Bull.
[50:18.680 -> 50:22.720] Yeah, that's what I mean. I think this is a product of Mercedes and Mercedes being this,
[50:22.720 -> 50:25.520] you know, eight Constructors' Championships on the track, you know, they're not interested Mae'r car yn gynhyrchol i'r Mercedes, ac mae'r Mercedes yn y trot.
[50:25.520 -> 50:28.960] Nid ydynt yn ddiddorol o fod yn cyrraedd,
[50:28.960 -> 50:32.400] ac yn y moment mae'n ymwneud â'r llaw,
[50:32.400 -> 50:36.160] o ran y lle roedden nhw'n edrych ar y dechrau o'r seswn.
[50:36.160 -> 50:38.640] Ond os nad ydyn nhw'n ymddangos â'r Red Bull,
[50:38.640 -> 50:40.800] nid ydyn nhw'n mynd i fod yn ddiddorol,
[50:40.800 -> 50:43.200] felly byddant yn ddigon ddiddorol gyda'r car.
[50:43.200 -> 50:46.800] Nid ydyn nhw'n edrych yn y llyfrau'r hanes, nid ydyn nhw'n edrych yn ôl ar ddod o'r cyfan a'r cyfan. they're gonna be unhappy with the car. And it doesn't, you know, no one reflects in the history books, no one looks back
[50:46.800 -> 50:48.360] who finished second and third.
[50:48.360 -> 50:49.880] It's not gonna make a massive difference
[50:49.880 -> 50:51.500] to a team like Mercedes.
[50:51.500 -> 50:53.520] They're conditioned to win.
[50:53.520 -> 50:54.400] And if they're not winning,
[50:54.400 -> 50:56.400] then they're not gonna be happy.
[50:56.400 -> 50:58.680] So I don't think it's them personally.
[50:58.680 -> 51:01.160] I don't think it's them blowing their problems
[51:01.160 -> 51:02.740] out of proportion, because they're still, you know,
[51:02.740 -> 51:03.580] over half a second behind Red Bull.
[51:03.580 -> 51:04.640] That is a problem.
[51:04.640 -> 51:07.360] And then I've just got my notes from qualifying
[51:07.360 -> 51:08.480] where George said on the radio,
[51:08.480 -> 51:11.440] hang on, I thought we were one second off the path.
[51:11.440 -> 51:13.400] And that was why I went to Toto.
[51:13.400 -> 51:16.900] And the first question with Toto was a rather cheeky,
[51:16.900 -> 51:18.960] well, she's not such a bad car, then is she?
[51:18.960 -> 51:22.320] Toto was like, I put myself in the,
[51:22.320 -> 51:25.120] I have this romantic image that somewhere in Mercedes,
[51:25.120 -> 51:27.640] there's the person who's in charge of W14,
[51:27.640 -> 51:30.200] original concept, who's basically been
[51:30.200 -> 51:31.960] whacked around the head with a wet fish
[51:31.960 -> 51:33.040] by everybody else saying,
[51:33.040 -> 51:34.680] I told you the concept was bad,
[51:34.680 -> 51:36.800] we're gonna go to a Red Bull RV19.
[51:36.800 -> 51:38.400] Why did you make us do this?
[51:38.400 -> 51:40.640] And that person in Australia was saying,
[51:40.640 -> 51:44.680] excuse me, I see, not bad, not such a bad car.
[51:44.680 -> 51:45.000] It's all relative, because they're still up in the top, you know, the bad, not such a bad car.
[51:45.000 -> 51:47.320] It's all relative, because they're still up in the top,
[51:47.320 -> 51:48.280] you know, top four.
[51:48.280 -> 51:48.880] It's relative.
[51:48.880 -> 51:50.680] McLaren would kill for that car right now.
[51:50.680 -> 51:51.560] That's what I mean.
[51:51.560 -> 51:53.120] It's relative to expectations.
[51:53.120 -> 51:55.880] So it's bad by their standards, but it's still not.
[51:55.880 -> 51:57.120] It's obviously not a bad car.
[51:57.120 -> 51:58.240] It's just, is it the right?
[51:58.240 -> 51:59.400] Has it got the ceiling?
[51:59.400 -> 52:00.480] Indeed.
[52:00.480 -> 52:03.080] And also, because they have this problem with the rear
[52:03.080 -> 52:06.600] of the car, with rear grip, and Hamilton says he's not happy with the rear of the car,
[52:06.600 -> 52:12.400] the characteristics of Melbourne penalise that much less than Bahrain or Saudi.
[52:12.400 -> 52:16.400] And did you see Corinne's piece at the Skypad where he did the thing about the seating position?
[52:16.400 -> 52:18.400] And where they are very good explains it.
[52:18.400 -> 52:20.800] You know, that's been something they need to fix.
[52:20.800 -> 52:22.800] And as soon as they can get the rear of the car sorted out,
[52:22.800 -> 52:31.440] I mean, when they go to Spain or where else you need a strong rear of the car, what's the next race in Baku-ish, then
[52:31.440 -> 52:32.760] it might be a bit further back.
[52:32.760 -> 52:35.240] Just explain what you mean by strong rear of the car.
[52:35.240 -> 52:39.920] So when you turn in, you're going to actually have some kind of load on the back and it's
[52:39.920 -> 52:41.000] not going to get away from you.
[52:41.000 -> 52:43.420] You'll constantly be having to catch it going in there.
[52:43.420 -> 52:47.320] So Lewis isn't like Max where he, similar,
[52:47.320 -> 52:50.160] but Max can turn in and then can judge it so perfectly
[52:50.160 -> 52:51.840] on the throttle and on the steering wheel
[52:51.840 -> 52:52.680] and everything else.
[52:52.680 -> 52:54.360] Even if the back does step out a little bit,
[52:54.360 -> 52:56.800] he can go off and power through and it's very quick.
[52:56.800 -> 52:58.180] Checo likes a bit more understeer maybe,
[52:58.180 -> 52:59.400] so the story goes.
[52:59.400 -> 53:01.560] Lewis is a bit more precise and George as well
[53:01.560 -> 53:02.480] with that car.
[53:02.480 -> 53:06.120] And that Mercedes has worse rear grip than the Red Bull.
[53:06.120 -> 53:07.120] So Red Bull's great.
[53:07.120 -> 53:09.840] And as long as, as well as the super duper DRS,
[53:09.840 -> 53:13.920] which gives Red Bull all of their pace at the moment,
[53:13.920 -> 53:15.200] Lewis looks at that and says,
[53:15.200 -> 53:17.400] that car has got so much downforce,
[53:17.400 -> 53:19.360] but we just don't, the Mercedes doesn't.
[53:19.360 -> 53:21.040] But it was penalized less at Melbourne
[53:21.040 -> 53:22.600] than it will be at some other race.
[53:22.600 -> 53:24.920] Do you think the seat in position thing is an example of,
[53:24.920 -> 53:26.200] you know, when Lewis has said, you know,
[53:26.200 -> 53:28.800] he didn't necessarily feel like the team listened
[53:28.800 -> 53:31.680] to as much of his input as he'd have liked
[53:31.680 -> 53:32.600] and something like it,
[53:32.600 -> 53:34.920] cause you know, a driver's not an aerodynamicist.
[53:34.920 -> 53:37.720] There's going to be limits to the input a driver
[53:37.720 -> 53:38.640] can meaningfully have,
[53:38.640 -> 53:40.240] but they are the one driving the car.
[53:40.240 -> 53:43.000] And it feels like the seat in position relative
[53:43.000 -> 53:45.460] to the front axle is something that, yeah,
[53:45.460 -> 53:46.920] like a driver's feel,
[53:46.920 -> 53:48.700] because Lewis has complained particularly about,
[53:48.700 -> 53:51.560] you know, he feels like he's too far forward.
[53:51.560 -> 53:53.200] Do you think that's one of those metrics
[53:53.200 -> 53:56.920] where a driver's input needs to be considered more?
[53:56.920 -> 53:57.760] Because then, you know,
[53:57.760 -> 53:59.800] if Lewis is talking about the underfloor,
[53:59.800 -> 54:02.160] I doubt his input is gonna, you know,
[54:02.160 -> 54:03.000] you know what I mean?
[54:03.000 -> 54:08.200] Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure because I did ask, do you remember we did development corner at the beginning
[54:08.200 -> 54:12.320] in testing and our special guest for that was Mike Elliot.
[54:12.320 -> 54:16.360] And the piece didn't go quite as well as I'd hoped because I had all these ideas about
[54:16.360 -> 54:19.680] the Mercedes and then I put them to Mike and he said, no.
[54:19.680 -> 54:22.920] And one of them was, I said, I said, have you moved the cockpit forward?
[54:22.920 -> 54:26.440] Cause there was something online, I can't remember what it was. I said, have you moved the cockpit forward? Cause there was something online. I can't remember what it was. I said, the cockpits move forward.
[54:26.440 -> 54:27.600] I said, have you moved the cockpit forward?
[54:27.600 -> 54:28.720] He said, no.
[54:28.720 -> 54:30.760] So bang goes that theory then.
[54:30.760 -> 54:33.960] And so I'm all a bit confused.
[54:33.960 -> 54:35.200] Yeah, I think we need to, I don't know.
[54:35.200 -> 54:36.040] Questions to answer.
[54:36.040 -> 54:36.860] To answer your question.
[54:36.860 -> 54:37.700] I don't know.
[54:37.700 -> 54:39.880] I don't know whether that's something Lewis can go and say,
[54:39.880 -> 54:41.160] see, I told you we were too forward.
[54:41.160 -> 54:42.240] And they said, well, you're no more forward
[54:42.240 -> 54:44.160] than you were before.
[54:44.160 -> 54:47.360] So yeah, needs to be, that will come out
[54:47.360 -> 54:48.560] in the fullness of time, I'm sure.
[54:48.560 -> 54:53.560] Yeah, and just a word on George out-qualifying Lewis
[54:53.920 -> 54:56.160] in every race this season.
[54:56.160 -> 54:58.080] The gaps haven't been that big though.
[54:58.080 -> 55:00.120] I think you look at, you look three nil
[55:00.120 -> 55:02.960] and you think, oh wow, but I think it's the gap.
[55:02.960 -> 55:06.120] I mean, I know Hulkenberg's quite significantly
[55:06.120 -> 55:09.400] outqualified Magnussen in terms of the actual deltas.
[55:09.400 -> 55:11.960] So I don't think that, I mean, they are,
[55:11.960 -> 55:14.320] you look last season, there was nothing in it
[55:14.320 -> 55:15.680] between him and qualifying.
[55:17.520 -> 55:18.640] I don't read too much into that.
[55:18.640 -> 55:21.000] I don't think Lewis does either.
[55:21.000 -> 55:23.280] If the gap was significant, if it was, you know,
[55:23.280 -> 55:25.240] three, four, five cents,
[55:25.240 -> 55:26.580] okay, that's a different conversation.
[55:26.580 -> 55:28.680] But I think Mercedes have got two drivers
[55:28.680 -> 55:30.420] who are very similar level.
[55:30.420 -> 55:32.240] And because they're not fighting at the front
[55:32.240 -> 55:35.360] for a championship, I think all is well.
[55:35.360 -> 55:37.040] If they were fighting for a championship,
[55:37.040 -> 55:38.480] then that might be a bit different.
[55:38.480 -> 55:40.120] Yes, but Tomo, it's very reserved of you.
[55:40.120 -> 55:42.360] You're not biting on Matthew's question.
[55:42.360 -> 55:44.120] Matthew's question, he's basically asking you,
[55:44.120 -> 55:46.760] wanting you to say that George Russell is a quicker driver He's basically asking you wanting you to say that George Russell is a quicker driver
[55:47.600 -> 55:52.080] He wants you to say that you're not gonna say it. You're not gonna say that
[55:52.080 -> 55:56.640] I mean, that's what you're saying is George Russell a quicker driver than Lewis Hamilton in qualifying
[55:56.640 -> 55:58.560] Which is when you measure these things. Yeah and last year
[55:58.560 -> 56:04.380] I think we it was widely accepted that Lewis did a lot of the hard work on the car. There were lots of many reasons
[56:04.380 -> 56:06.320] Yeah, there were many reasons why Lewis couldn't
[56:06.320 -> 56:08.120] get the laps in that George could.
[56:08.120 -> 56:10.320] This year, is that still the case?
[56:10.320 -> 56:11.160] We don't know.
[56:11.160 -> 56:11.980] Maybe he is.
[56:11.980 -> 56:13.640] Maybe George Russell is a faster driver
[56:13.640 -> 56:14.640] than Lewis Hamilton and Matthew.
[56:14.640 -> 56:15.640] What do you think?
[56:16.560 -> 56:18.160] I think on the basis of this year
[56:18.160 -> 56:20.120] and the first three races,
[56:20.120 -> 56:24.120] it's inarguable that George is over one lap this year.
[56:24.120 -> 56:25.280] Was quicker in qualifying. But there are lots of reasons to explain that. When the dealt was that little, It's inarguable that George is over 100 this year.
[56:27.320 -> 56:28.320] But there are lots of reasons to explain that. When the dealt was that little,
[56:28.320 -> 56:32.480] I don't think that's meaningful enough to-
[56:32.480 -> 56:34.520] And George doesn't feel this handling imbalance
[56:34.520 -> 56:37.640] that Lewis does, or says that it doesn't affect him as much.
[56:37.640 -> 56:38.480] Yeah, because different drivers have different styles.
[56:38.480 -> 56:40.120] Yeah, he sounds a lot happier in the car, doesn't he?
[56:40.120 -> 56:41.800] Well, he is, demonstrably he is.
[56:41.800 -> 56:43.760] Yeah, because they're not going to have identical driving.
[56:43.760 -> 56:46.040] Every driver's got a slightly different approach.
[56:46.040 -> 56:47.120] Do you square off corners more?
[56:47.120 -> 56:50.040] Do you carry more speed for a U-smooth or whatever?
[56:50.040 -> 56:51.640] But the fact that they're so close,
[56:51.640 -> 56:54.640] I think that's the important thing.
[56:54.640 -> 56:55.480] They're so close.
[56:55.480 -> 56:57.400] And I think George has really stepped up into that team.
[56:57.400 -> 56:58.240] Which is why-
[56:58.240 -> 56:59.060] I think he's done a fantastic job.
[56:59.060 -> 57:01.400] Which is why we really, really want to see Mercedes
[57:01.400 -> 57:03.240] challenging for the championship with Red Bull.
[57:03.240 -> 57:09.120] Because then we can get into championship challenging George Russell against championship challenging Lewis
[57:09.120 -> 57:10.120] Hamilton.
[57:10.120 -> 57:14.920] And when they've actually got something to go for, because I don't know this for sure,
[57:14.920 -> 57:18.480] but I imagine if I was Lewis Hamilton and I wasn't in for the championship, I've won
[57:18.480 -> 57:21.480] so many, I'm like, well, I'm not going for the championship.
[57:21.480 -> 57:23.280] If George beats me, I don't really care.
[57:23.280 -> 57:26.200] And you could reflect on 2022 and say, George did beat him in the points. And he said, well, I wasn't for the championship. If George beats me, I don't really care. And you could reflect on 2022 and say,
[57:26.200 -> 57:28.000] George did beat him in the points.
[57:28.000 -> 57:29.160] And he said, well, I wasn't in the championship.
[57:29.160 -> 57:31.080] I don't care whether I'm third or fourth or fifth,
[57:31.080 -> 57:32.480] if I'm not number one.
[57:32.480 -> 57:33.620] That's what I want to see.
[57:33.620 -> 57:35.280] I want to see championship challenging
[57:35.280 -> 57:36.120] Lewis Hamilton against championship challenging-
[57:36.120 -> 57:38.040] To get the absolute best out of Lewis.
[57:38.040 -> 57:40.840] He has to be right at the very heart of the championship.
[57:40.840 -> 57:43.960] We've seen in the past that Lewis takes a step up
[57:43.960 -> 57:44.800] and he's challenging him.
[57:44.800 -> 57:45.920] I've got a question I'd like,
[57:45.920 -> 57:47.200] when you look at points,
[57:47.200 -> 57:48.920] you look at points differences between teammates
[57:48.920 -> 57:51.240] and they never tell the full story.
[57:51.240 -> 57:52.960] Like the context is so important.
[57:52.960 -> 57:54.200] And that's why it's, you know,
[57:54.200 -> 57:56.160] when you look at seasons past,
[57:56.160 -> 57:58.400] you then over time you forget,
[57:58.400 -> 58:01.800] oh, well this driver DNF'd or there was bad luck,
[58:01.800 -> 58:02.960] someone got taken out.
[58:02.960 -> 58:05.280] You know, within the paddock,
[58:05.280 -> 58:08.400] is there that same emphasis that I think
[58:08.400 -> 58:10.120] the broader fan base, because, you know,
[58:10.120 -> 58:13.200] as the broader fan base, we, you know, work in jobs,
[58:13.200 -> 58:15.080] you can't fully consume F1,
[58:15.080 -> 58:17.040] you're doing as much as you can.
[58:17.040 -> 58:20.400] But I feel like points can be often used to like,
[58:20.400 -> 58:22.080] as a baton to hit someone with,
[58:22.080 -> 58:24.320] or like Nico Hulkenberg never getting a podium.
[58:24.320 -> 58:26.280] That's often like, he's often hit with that.
[58:26.280 -> 58:27.120] And I think unfairly,
[58:27.120 -> 58:28.760] because when you look through the context
[58:28.760 -> 58:30.520] of when he got close,
[58:30.520 -> 58:32.760] yeah, some instances were his fault, some weren't.
[58:32.760 -> 58:35.680] Some were just factors completely outside of your control.
[58:35.680 -> 58:38.340] So it's when you're actually looking at driver performance,
[58:38.340 -> 58:39.680] points don't tell the full story.
[58:39.680 -> 58:41.380] And I feel like people in the paddock,
[58:41.380 -> 58:43.080] I would have thought understand that a bit more.
[58:43.080 -> 58:44.080] Yeah, yeah, they do.
[58:44.080 -> 58:51.400] And people tend to have better memories refreshed more often than from the drivers themselves
[58:51.400 -> 58:55.480] to say, Oh, I remember my DNF in Melbourne with the, when the engine went, you know,
[58:55.480 -> 58:57.240] and that's, that's leading the race.
[58:57.240 -> 58:58.240] That's lost George.
[58:58.240 -> 58:59.240] Yeah.
[58:59.240 -> 59:00.240] Okay.
[59:00.240 -> 59:04.640] You know, red flag went, went against him, but he was scored multiple points.
[59:04.640 -> 59:09.040] Lance is on level points with science, I think.
[59:09.040 -> 59:10.840] And Lance didn't score in Saudi.
[59:10.840 -> 59:14.560] And he was on for a possible P4 maybe there.
[59:14.560 -> 59:17.240] And again, all that, these will be forgotten.
[59:17.240 -> 59:19.200] These you see, you know, you go on Wikipedia
[59:19.200 -> 59:21.600] and you look at the results and you see like DNF,
[59:21.600 -> 59:22.960] but like, what's the context of that?
[59:22.960 -> 59:25.040] Was it there for, did they get taken out?
[59:25.040 -> 59:26.520] We forget that over time, so.
[59:26.520 -> 59:29.160] You mean you go on the skysports.com slash F1 website
[59:29.160 -> 59:31.920] and you see the, and you see the.
[59:31.920 -> 59:32.760] Yeah.
[59:32.760 -> 59:33.580] That's what I'm saying.
[59:33.580 -> 59:34.420] Yeah.
[59:34.420 -> 59:35.260] Yeah.
[59:35.260 -> 59:36.800] Um, very good.
[59:36.800 -> 59:38.520] Well, I think, I think that's about what we've got time for.
[59:38.520 -> 59:39.360] Good.
[59:39.360 -> 59:40.180] Yeah. It's a shame.
[59:40.180 -> 59:41.020] I think we've done everyone.
[59:41.020 -> 59:41.840] I think we've done everyone.
[59:41.840 -> 59:44.720] Did Red, did Red enjoy the, the podcast?
[59:44.720 -> 59:46.520] Did you enjoy the podcast there, mate?
[59:46.520 -> 59:47.360] How about you little?
[59:47.360 -> 59:49.000] I'm not gonna do it on straight away.
[59:49.000 -> 59:50.360] I've already done one today.
[59:50.360 -> 59:51.200] Okay.
[59:51.200 -> 59:52.020] Crikey.
[59:52.020 -> 59:53.040] I think Red.
[59:53.040 -> 59:55.800] That for me, Red and his little Joey is like-
[59:55.800 -> 59:56.640] Red Rue.
[59:56.640 -> 59:57.460] Yeah.
[59:57.460 -> 59:59.120] Is like, I don't know.
[59:59.120 -> 01:00:01.160] It's like Christian Horner and Max Verstappen in this batch.
[01:00:01.160 -> 01:00:04.680] He just made sure that nothing was going to detract them
[01:00:04.680 -> 01:00:08.500] from winning in Melbourne. It was a safe as houses, wasn't it?
[01:00:08.500 -> 01:00:11.420] Yes. No it wasn't. But they avoided all the traps.
[01:00:11.420 -> 01:00:16.700] Also I'm quite glad we've got through without talking about Alex's crash tip because Alex
[01:00:16.700 -> 01:00:18.980] is my favourite. Alex Albon's your favourite?
[01:00:18.980 -> 01:00:26.440] Yeah. Okay. I was so gutted. I know. I was so gutted. I was so gutted. Cause that's William's best qualifying performance
[01:00:26.440 -> 01:00:28.520] for many a year, P8.
[01:00:28.520 -> 01:00:32.520] And I think he went wide corner before, didn't he?
[01:00:32.520 -> 01:00:34.680] And they said he got a temperature spike.
[01:00:34.680 -> 01:00:35.960] That's the racing driver excuse.
[01:00:35.960 -> 01:00:37.680] I don't know if I'll buy that one or not.
[01:00:37.680 -> 01:00:38.500] I'm going to buy it.
[01:00:38.500 -> 01:00:39.720] I'm going to take it.
[01:00:39.720 -> 01:00:41.200] But yeah, all in all, I think though,
[01:00:41.200 -> 01:00:43.480] Williams, it's a good car.
[01:00:43.480 -> 01:00:46.680] It's nowhere near as off the pace
[01:00:46.680 -> 01:00:50.080] as it has been in recent years, so happy.
[01:00:50.080 -> 01:00:52.400] Before we go, plans for the spring break?
[01:00:52.400 -> 01:00:54.280] Well, you've got to do a podcast every Tuesday.
[01:00:54.280 -> 01:00:55.400] Every Tuesday, yes.
[01:00:55.400 -> 01:00:56.840] We've got some exciting guests though.
[01:00:56.840 -> 01:00:57.680] Have you?
[01:00:57.680 -> 01:00:58.500] Coming on, yeah.
[01:00:58.500 -> 01:00:59.800] I'm going to keep them under my hat,
[01:00:59.800 -> 01:01:01.120] or under Red's hat.
[01:01:01.120 -> 01:01:02.800] You don't want to tease the listeners?
[01:01:02.800 -> 01:01:03.920] Unconfirmed.
[01:01:03.920 -> 01:01:04.740] Okay, oh, unconfirmed.
[01:01:04.740 -> 01:01:06.160] Just at this stage. Exciting yet Unconfirmed. Okay, exciting yet
[01:01:06.160 -> 01:01:10.520] unconfirmed. But as soon as they're confirmed we'll let you know. Okay, I may or may not
[01:01:10.520 -> 01:01:15.240] have a shoot with George Russell that I'm very excited about. I'm not going to tell
[01:01:15.240 -> 01:01:19.120] you what that shoot is. This is great. This is incredibly crafted from all of us. I think
[01:01:19.120 -> 01:01:23.080] I have a shoot with George Russell in the break. Yeah, which I am beside myself with
[01:01:23.080 -> 01:01:25.300] excitement. I think I know what you're talking about. Okay.
[01:01:25.300 -> 01:01:30.200] Is this a good opportunity from like a broadcasting point of view to get shoots in for more evergreen content?
[01:01:30.200 -> 01:01:33.200] Because what we've got five races in six weeks.
[01:01:33.200 -> 01:01:33.700] Yeah.
[01:01:34.000 -> 01:01:37.200] Like you're not going to have any because it's just going to be race by race by race.
[01:01:37.200 -> 01:01:39.400] So this is the time to get the good stuff in.
[01:01:39.400 -> 01:01:39.800] Yeah.
[01:01:39.800 -> 01:01:40.100] Yeah.
[01:01:40.100 -> 01:01:44.500] So I'll tell you about it probably at Silverstone when I think the piece is going out.
[01:01:44.500 -> 01:01:45.820] So to answer your question Tomo, yes
[01:01:45.820 -> 01:01:47.820] Oh, we're giving him all the telly secrets
[01:01:49.340 -> 01:01:52.060] Cash him in. Yeah, cash him in lovely studio
[01:01:53.580 -> 01:01:57.360] Very good. Well, thank you very much. Thank you Ted. Thank you Tomo. Appreciate your time
[01:01:57.360 -> 01:02:01.820] Oh, actually, I was gonna say one thing if you are listening on Spotify or Apple
[01:02:01.820 -> 01:02:06.880] Please if you can leave us a review and there's been some very nice reviews, Ted, for your pod book.
[01:02:06.880 -> 01:02:08.400] Oh, right. Yes.
[01:02:08.400 -> 01:02:09.280] Yeah. Sweet.
[01:02:09.280 -> 01:02:10.240] The pod book.
[01:02:10.240 -> 01:02:11.200] Some very nice reviews.
[01:02:11.200 -> 01:02:16.560] Yes. That's not going to happen every Thursday, because I won't be able to tell you anything
[01:02:16.560 -> 01:02:17.200] that I've done.
[01:02:17.200 -> 01:02:18.080] When you're at a race.
[01:02:18.080 -> 01:02:24.960] No, when I'm at a race. Yeah, the idea behind that is, briefly, to essentially give you
[01:02:24.960 -> 01:02:26.000] some sound effects of local flora, fauna, and public transportation. That's the idea behind that is briefly to essentially give you some sound effects
[01:02:26.000 -> 01:02:28.800] of local flora, fauna and public transportation.
[01:02:28.800 -> 01:02:30.400] That's the idea behind it.
[01:02:30.400 -> 01:02:35.200] So in Bahrain, we had the hotel pool and the singer
[01:02:35.200 -> 01:02:40.600] doing some lovely cover versions of, I think it was Genesis songs.
[01:02:40.600 -> 01:02:44.400] And we had the trams in Melbourne
[01:02:44.400 -> 01:02:45.000] and the chaffinches
[01:02:45.440 -> 01:02:47.920] and the kookaburras in the trees.
[01:02:47.920 -> 01:02:50.560] And you have no idea how many times I had to try
[01:02:50.560 -> 01:02:53.020] and record that little Ted's pod book on the Thursday,
[01:02:53.020 -> 01:02:55.480] waiting for the perfect tram to trundle by
[01:02:55.480 -> 01:02:56.720] with a ding, ding, ding,
[01:02:56.720 -> 01:02:58.280] they've got this electronic bell,
[01:02:58.280 -> 01:03:00.000] which sounds like an old tram bell.
[01:03:00.000 -> 01:03:02.840] It's not an old tram, I think you passed the proper bell.
[01:03:02.840 -> 01:03:05.680] And I must've started that about 50 times,
[01:03:05.680 -> 01:03:07.680] waiting for the perfect, in the end.
[01:03:07.680 -> 01:03:09.880] Often in TV, we're trying to avoid the background noise.
[01:03:09.880 -> 01:03:10.720] I wanted the background noise.
[01:03:10.720 -> 01:03:11.560] You're very much wanting the background noise.
[01:03:11.560 -> 01:03:12.760] I wanted the background noise, yeah.
[01:03:12.760 -> 01:03:16.000] So that's every Thursday of a race weekend,
[01:03:16.000 -> 01:03:18.920] where we give you some of the little tidbits,
[01:03:18.920 -> 01:03:21.480] little golden nuggets from the paddock on a Thursday
[01:03:21.480 -> 01:03:23.240] and just set your weekend up ready.
[01:03:23.240 -> 01:03:27.480] Because something you realize when you're not at a race is that a Thursday and a Friday,
[01:03:27.480 -> 01:03:30.520] people are still, you know, still got jobs to do, still got work to go to.
[01:03:30.520 -> 01:03:31.520] Absolutely.
[01:03:31.520 -> 01:03:34.200] And for a lot of people, it begins on a Saturday with FP3.
[01:03:34.200 -> 01:03:37.600] But we've already had the Thursday press conferences and the driver interviews and anything else
[01:03:37.600 -> 01:03:38.920] that's around the place.
[01:03:38.920 -> 01:03:39.920] And then you have Friday.
[01:03:39.920 -> 01:03:42.160] So that's just to give a little taste on a Thursday and a Friday.
[01:03:42.160 -> 01:03:43.160] The pod book.
[01:03:43.160 -> 01:03:44.160] The pod book.
[01:03:44.160 -> 01:03:46.440] Very good. Well, we will be back next Tuesday.
[01:03:46.440 -> 01:03:48.240] We're going to try next Tuesday's episode,
[01:03:48.240 -> 01:03:49.800] look back on the first three races,
[01:03:49.800 -> 01:03:52.040] who's got the most work to do over the spring break.
[01:03:52.040 -> 01:03:53.840] So I hope you can join us then.
[01:03:53.840 -> 01:03:55.840] Bye from Red.
[01:03:55.840 -> 01:03:56.560] And Ted.
[01:03:56.560 -> 01:03:57.160] Ted.
[01:03:57.160 -> 01:03:57.680] And Tomo.
[01:03:57.680 -> 01:03:58.200] And Tomo.
[01:03:58.200 -> 01:03:59.280] Ah, ruined it, didn't we?
[01:03:59.280 -> 01:04:01.000] Ruined it.
[01:04:01.000 -> 01:04:02.880] Bye for now.
[01:04:01.310 -> 01:04:03.310] Bye for now.