Partying with F1 Drivers & Selling them Insurance.. James Blair On Pitstop! 🇳🇿

Screaming Meals’ James Harvey Blair on Pitstop! How do you go from racing to become a Formula 1 Driver, to doing the insurance for the drivers themselves.. Today's episode is full of great insight from inside the sport. James shares his crash story from Karting, discusses his friendship with Marcus Armstrong and Clement Novalak and why they called their show Screaming Meals. All in today's episode of Pitstop Podcast! Subscribe for more guests & Thanks for joining us on this crazy journey! Shout out to Brentwood Karting for hosting the Pitstop Karting Lap!
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**Navigating the World of Formula One Racing: A Discussion with James Harvey Blair**

In this episode of the Pit Stop podcast, hosts Jake Boys and Fabio Bocca welcome a special guest, James Harvey Blair, for an in-depth conversation about his journey in Formula One racing and his transition to a career in insurance.

* **Early Racing Career:**
* James' racing career began at the age of 11, sparked by his father's visit to the Nürburgring.
* He faced initial challenges and setbacks, including being lapped in his first race.
* Despite the difficulties, James persevered, driven by a passion for racing.

* **Rivalry and Camaraderie with Marcus Armstrong:**
* James and Marcus Armstrong, a fellow New Zealand driver, had a complex relationship.
* Initially, James harbored resentment towards Marcus due to his dominance and perceived cheating accusations.
* Over time, they developed a friendship and mutual respect, eventually becoming co-hosts of a podcast together.

* **National Championship Victory:**
* In 2015, James achieved a significant milestone by winning the New Zealand national karting championship.
* He recalls a memorable race where he won by a margin of 22 seconds in the rain, showcasing his exceptional skill.

* **Transition to Insurance:**
* Despite his racing success, James made the difficult decision to transition to a career in insurance at the age of 16 or 17.
* He recognized the financial challenges and stress that pursuing a professional racing career would entail.
* James acknowledged that this decision was not driven by a lack of talent, but rather by practicality and the desire to secure a stable future.

* **Racing Accident and Recovery:**
* In November 2016, James experienced a severe crash during a karting race in Las Vegas.
* The accident resulted in multiple injuries, including a broken C4 vertebrae, dislocated shoulder, broken bones, and a third-degree burn.
* James underwent extensive surgeries and rehabilitation in the United States, facing significant medical bills due to the lack of insurance coverage for racing-related injuries.

* **Insurance Career and Litigation:**
* Following his recovery, James pursued a career in insurance, leveraging his knowledge of the industry to assist clients in understanding their policies.
* He encountered various challenges, including dealing with complex insurance policies and navigating the legal aspects of insurance claims.
* James emphasized the importance of clear communication and attention to detail when working with insurance policies.

* **Advice for Aspiring Racers:**
* James offered valuable advice to aspiring racing drivers, emphasizing the importance of perseverance, dedication, and a realistic assessment of one's potential.
* He stressed the need for financial planning and the exploration of alternative career paths, even for those with exceptional talent.

- He highlights the importance of insurance for drivers, especially those competing in foreign countries, due to the potential for high medical expenses in case of an accident.
- He emphasizes the significance of having adequate insurance coverage for drivers to protect themselves financially.

**The Importance of Motorsport Insurance:**

- The guest stresses the importance of motorsport insurance, drawing from his personal experience of being involved in a legal battle with a hospital over medical expenses incurred during a racing accident.
- He explains how his experience led him to pursue a career in motorsport insurance to help other drivers avoid similar situations.

**Challenges Faced by Motorsport Drivers:**

- They discusses the challenges faced by motorsport drivers, particularly those competing in the United States, where insurance is mandatory for racing.
- He highlights the financial burden that can arise if a driver is involved in an accident and requires medical attention in a foreign country.

**The Role of Insurance in Protecting Drivers:**

- He emphasizes the role of insurance in protecting drivers from unexpected medical expenses and ensuring that they can receive the necessary care in case of an accident.
- He explains how insurance companies, like the one he works for, provide coverage to drivers, ensuring that their expenses are taken care of.

**The Issue of Oversaturation of Talent in Motorsport:**

- They acknowledge that there are many talented drivers who deserve opportunities to compete at the highest level but face limited seats available.
- They express concern that this oversaturation may lead to deserving drivers being overlooked or unable to secure a seat in top-level racing.

**The Human Side of Motorsport:**

- They discuss the toll that racing can take on drivers' mental and physical well-being, especially when they witness accidents or experience personal injuries.
- They emphasize the importance of supporting drivers and providing them with the necessary resources to cope with the demands of the sport.

**The Mindset of a Racing Driver:**

- They discuss the importance of focusing on winning and not settling for anything less, as well as the mental resilience needed to overcome setbacks and challenges.
- They emphasize the unwavering commitment and dedication that racing drivers possess, which sets them apart from other athletes.

**The Possibility of a New Top-Level Single-Seater Racecar Series:**

- They speculate on the possibility of a new top-level single-seater racecar series emerging.
- They acknowledge the dominance of Formula One but suggest that there may be room for another series that caters to a different audience and offers a unique racing experience.
- They discuss the challenges and financial requirements involved in creating a new series but express optimism that it could become a reality with the right resources and support.

**James' Attempt at a Sim Lap:**

- James takes on the challenge of completing a sim lap on the F1 game, despite his lack of experience with the game.
- He acknowledges that he is not as fast as other drivers who regularly play the game, including his friend Gabriel Bortoletto.
- James humorously reacts to his performance, acknowledging his limitations and accepting that he is not as skilled as some of the other drivers.

In this podcast episode, hosts Jake Boys and Fabio Bocca engage in a lively conversation with James Harvey Blair, an insurance broker and founder of Screaming Meals, a catering company. The discussion revolves around James's experiences in the world of Formula One racing and his insights into the lifestyle and financial aspects of the sport.

**Key Takeaways:**

1. **Sim Racing vs. Real-Life Racing:**
- Sim racing, while enjoyable, does not hold the same level of respect in the real-life motor racing community.
- F1 drivers often have their own sim setups for training, but there is a perceived separation between sim racers and actual drivers.

2. **Nightlife and Expenses with F1 and F2 Drivers:**
- Nights out with F1 drivers can be extravagant, with bills reaching thousands of pounds.
- F1 drivers often cover the expenses, while F2 drivers may face hefty bills due to their limited financial resources.
- Etiquette dictates that F1 drivers should pay for meals when dining with F2 drivers, but this practice seems to have faded recently.

3. **Financial Considerations for Young Drivers:**
- Young drivers in F2 and F3 often struggle with financial constraints, leading to awkward situations when splitting large bills.
- Buying breakfast is a strategic move to save money, as it is typically the cheapest meal of the day with minimal alcohol consumption.

4. **James Harvey Blair's Future Plans:**
- James intends to continue expanding both his insurance business and Screaming Meals catering company.
- He emphasizes the importance of adaptability and staying ahead of trends in the ever-changing world of Formula One.

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[01:00.000 -> 01:04.440] I obviously knocked myself out, chipped a couple of teeth, I broke my C4 vertebrae,
[01:04.440 -> 01:10.160] I dislocated my shoulder, I broke my left foot, and then I got this third degree burn
[01:10.160 -> 01:11.160] on my leg here.
[01:11.160 -> 01:14.720] That was actually quite good, and I take that corner, and I just isolate that, put it all
[01:14.720 -> 01:15.720] together.
[01:15.720 -> 01:17.280] Like a sort of Beatles best of, you know?
[01:17.280 -> 01:20.640] Just after Silverstone, we were at an after party and there was an F1 driver in the corner,
[01:20.640 -> 01:21.640] he just paid for his own table.
[01:21.640 -> 01:23.520] It was just like, great, yeah, sweet.
[01:23.520 -> 01:27.080] These guys in waistcoats usually come out with a card machine and basically just start prodding
[01:27.080 -> 01:30.400] you with it and you're just like, oh, fuck. Bear in mind, like, the total bill for the
[01:30.400 -> 01:33.640] table, what is it, like, one and a half, two thousand? No, like, three and a half thousand.
[01:33.640 -> 01:55.560] You're just like, hey, where's Novalex? Ladies and gents, welcome back to Pit Stop.
[01:55.560 -> 01:57.560] That's good, that was nice.
[01:57.560 -> 01:58.560] Thank you so much.
[01:58.560 -> 01:59.560] We've got another guest today guys.
[01:59.560 -> 02:03.360] It's been a minute, but we've got a guest, a dear friend of ours who I think it's been
[02:03.360 -> 02:10.240] a long time coming for him to come on the pod. I'm excited about this episode. We spoke about it for a while. We've spoke about how we would love to do this episode
[02:10.240 -> 02:13.080] So ladies and gentlemen, James Harvey Blair, let's go
[02:15.860 -> 02:21.140] Thanks for having me on, appreciate it. Thank you for joining us. Yeah. Yeah joining in your lovely abode. That's
[02:22.240 -> 02:28.000] Well, it's been the same of all of them, right? Yeah. Yeah yeah this has always been the podcast set up it hasn't changed too much has it just
[02:28.000 -> 02:30.880] the background no we got a few things in the background had a little reshuffle
[02:30.880 -> 02:34.080] you got a brand new sign that you've just put in a brand new Ford service
[02:34.080 -> 02:36.800] sign you probably don't hear this a lot but it's much bigger than it looks like
[02:36.800 -> 02:40.880] on the internet really yeah really yeah no it's definitely it's a pretty serious
[02:40.880 -> 02:45.560] setup you got going over here lovely clean kitchen it's nice Just a kitchen there, lovely clean kitchen. It's nice.
[02:45.560 -> 02:46.560] How are you mate?
[02:46.560 -> 02:47.560] How are things?
[02:47.560 -> 02:48.560] Good, good.
[02:48.560 -> 02:51.920] I'm just coming down from the adrenaline rush that I've obviously just had at the kart circuit
[02:51.920 -> 02:54.840] where we filmed that lap.
[02:54.840 -> 02:57.040] Real moment of honour in my career.
[02:57.040 -> 02:59.160] We shall reveal that at some point in the pod.
[02:59.160 -> 03:00.520] We won't give it away just yet.
[03:00.520 -> 03:01.520] Oh brilliant.
[03:01.520 -> 03:02.720] Okay, well glad I've not ruined that one.
[03:02.720 -> 03:03.880] It was a pretty nifty lap.
[03:03.880 -> 03:05.520] Yeah, we can talk about it now if you want.
[03:05.520 -> 03:12.160] Yeah he brings his own helmet. Yeah. And he's pretty nifty in a car. Yeah I don't like to run the hairnet
[03:12.160 -> 03:20.000] operation. It's a bit, it's a bit low rent even for me. I must say I'm a total, um, total pons when it
[03:20.000 -> 03:24.800] comes to running my own helmet. I'll run the suits, anything else, even the garden gloves that were
[03:24.800 -> 03:25.720] given to me as well,
[03:25.720 -> 03:26.800] those are a bit peculiar.
[03:26.800 -> 03:29.080] They actually almost like lube up the steering wheel.
[03:29.080 -> 03:31.120] Like, they make the grip so much worse.
[03:31.120 -> 03:33.280] You could hold it a lot tighter.
[03:33.280 -> 03:35.240] Are you going on the Jesus juice again?
[03:36.240 -> 03:37.080] Huh?
[03:37.080 -> 03:37.920] We saw what happened last time.
[03:37.920 -> 03:38.760] That's not a good idea.
[03:38.760 -> 03:39.760] I'm not doing wine.
[03:39.760 -> 03:40.580] Oh.
[03:40.580 -> 03:42.840] Roll the lap, roll the lap.
[03:42.840 -> 03:45.520] You're barred from drinking on podcasts now I heard.
[03:45.520 -> 03:46.520] Here we go!
[03:53.600 -> 03:54.400] James, I'll be Blair.
[03:54.400 -> 03:57.800] You've just done your lap on the Pitstop Kain fastest lap.
[03:57.800 -> 04:00.600] Here at Brentwood Karting, how do you think you've done?
[04:00.600 -> 04:01.400] Pretty well.
[04:01.400 -> 04:04.280] I mean, it's not the most intimidating looking leaderboard
[04:04.280 -> 04:10.580] I've ever seen in my life, to be perfectly in my life. I'd be pretty flat out disappointed if I wasn't on for a podium at least.
[04:10.580 -> 04:16.620] I will say your first few laps were in the 36's. Yeah well that's a positive start.
[04:16.620 -> 04:26.720] So looking at the benchmark. I think it's quite a high benchmark really., well, let's see. James Harvey Blair, you did the pit stop
[04:26.720 -> 04:31.720] karting fastest lap in a 30.5.
[04:32.640 -> 04:33.480] Good.
[04:33.480 -> 04:34.300] 0.998 mate.
[04:34.300 -> 04:37.680] 35.998, top of the leaderboard.
[04:37.680 -> 04:38.520] What a surprise.
[04:38.520 -> 04:39.560] I hate to do this.
[04:39.560 -> 04:40.640] Congrats.
[04:40.640 -> 04:42.840] Snuck my way into the 35s there.
[04:42.840 -> 04:46.000] But yeah, there's definitely some meat on the bone.
[04:46.000 -> 04:46.500] Yeah?
[04:46.500 -> 04:47.000] Future guests.
[04:47.000 -> 04:48.000] You don't seem that excited.
[04:48.000 -> 04:49.000] I am excited.
[04:49.000 -> 04:50.000] I'm internalizing it.
[04:50.000 -> 04:54.000] It's often when drivers win championships and you sort of just go into themselves and
[04:54.000 -> 04:55.500] a load of emotion comes out.
[04:55.500 -> 04:57.000] So we've got that to look forward to.
[04:58.000 -> 04:59.000] Well there you go guys.
[04:59.000 -> 05:00.000] James top of the leaderboard.
[05:00.000 -> 05:00.500] Alright.
[05:00.500 -> 05:01.500] Surprise, surprise.
[05:03.000 -> 05:06.000] It was fun while it lasted, being at the top.
[05:06.000 -> 05:08.000] And, uh, back to the flat.
[05:08.000 -> 05:12.000] Well ladies and gents, hope you enjoyed the stupendous lap that James put in.
[05:12.000 -> 05:14.000] Obviously smoked both of us.
[05:14.000 -> 05:20.000] If you get a legit active racing driver on, I'd be pretty surprised if they couldn't beat me by,
[05:20.000 -> 05:24.000] I'd say to the tune of like 4 to 6 tenths. I'd expect to be that far off.
[05:24.000 -> 05:28.960] Well, I ain't gonna have one of these but James there you go. Thank you. Yeah, that's what I
[05:28.960 -> 05:31.240] Read for you. You know what happens last time. So yeah
[05:32.280 -> 05:36.320] You guys have proven that you can't handle it. Whereas I myself managed to
[05:37.160 -> 05:39.760] Through that relatively on you just an honourable man James
[05:47.600 -> 05:51.360] of us. What are you thinking? You think this looks cheap? Because it is. At least it's a cab sav. I like a cab sav. What you strike me as a cab sav kind of bloke, that's why
[05:51.360 -> 05:55.200] I bought it. Yeah, the thumb prints on the edge of the glass will make for a little bit
[05:55.200 -> 06:02.160] of extra texture. You're welcome. Quite good actually. Not bad on the nose. Do you want
[06:02.160 -> 06:06.480] me to leave the cap off and let it breathe? I think it needs a lot more than that.
[06:06.480 -> 06:09.840] You just hugged the bottle, there you go.
[06:09.840 -> 06:10.840] Yeah, thanks mate.
[06:10.840 -> 06:12.840] I look very French now I feel.
[06:12.840 -> 06:17.520] But yeah, no, the lap went well.
[06:17.520 -> 06:22.080] Like I said to you in the car, I had a bit of an Indy 500 setup operating on it, because
[06:22.080 -> 06:26.600] when I let go of the steering wheel down the straight, it veered to the right which usually means there's some kind of
[06:26.600 -> 06:30.360] bend in it or whatever but it was meant for the first two corners because the
[06:30.360 -> 06:33.840] two right-handers so you essentially just move the wheel about that much and
[06:33.840 -> 06:38.440] it just flies around them beautiful. I went on your Instagram went all the way
[06:38.440 -> 06:43.760] to the bottom and there's like loads of pictures of you carved. Heavens yeah I was real into myself.
[06:43.760 -> 06:45.200] And obviously this is what we spoke about every time we've seen you and loads of pictures of you carving. Heavens, yeah. I was real into myself.
[06:45.200 -> 06:46.560] And obviously this is what we spoke about
[06:46.560 -> 06:47.480] every time we've seen you,
[06:47.480 -> 06:49.680] and we've always said we want the full story on the pod.
[06:49.680 -> 06:52.640] Like I want, you know, how you got from New Zealand
[06:52.640 -> 06:54.040] to here, the whole career.
[06:54.040 -> 06:55.080] Yeah, I want the career.
[06:55.080 -> 06:55.900] Yeah.
[06:55.900 -> 06:56.740] I want to go back to the beginning.
[06:56.740 -> 06:58.720] How do you start out life wanting to be a Formula One driver
[06:58.720 -> 07:00.200] and ending up as an insurance broker?
[07:00.200 -> 07:02.200] You know, that's an interesting story.
[07:02.200 -> 07:03.480] The cradle to grave on that one.
[07:03.480 -> 07:04.960] Well, here we go.
[07:04.960 -> 07:06.000] A little sample, this is gonna be great.
[07:06.000 -> 07:08.000] Sit back, story time's coming.
[07:08.000 -> 07:16.000] My racing career, my own racing career, for those of you who aren't aware that I actually had one, fair enough if you weren't aware.
[07:16.000 -> 07:23.000] All started on a rainy November's morning in Auckland.
[07:23.000 -> 07:25.760] Dad had just got back from a business trip
[07:26.360 -> 07:28.080] Where they went to the Nürburgring
[07:28.080 -> 07:32.740] So while he was in the Nürburgring he was having a bit of a go around the circuit like you can do when you visit
[07:32.740 -> 07:33.880] there
[07:33.880 -> 07:36.480] And thought I'll get James into carting like that'd be fun
[07:37.000 -> 07:41.320] And so he comes back from Germany gives me a Nürburgring hat
[07:41.320 -> 07:44.800] He goes I've put you in a go-kart for you know later on this morning essentially
[07:44.800 -> 07:47.740] I was just like oh, I was about 11 years old at the time 2009
[07:48.840 -> 07:51.820] So we got to cut track gave it a go passing down with rain
[07:52.740 -> 07:55.700] Absolutely chucking it jumped in my mates cart who?
[07:56.560 -> 07:59.880] Was a stranger to me at the time. He was third in the country so I had a number three on it
[07:59.880 -> 08:04.740] So I was just a cool place to start jumped in it was absolutely useless, but loved it
[08:04.780 -> 08:05.160] There's probably a similar story to what you guys have heard from professional racing drivers a lot So I was just like, oh, okay, cool place to start, jumped in. It was absolutely useless, but loved it.
[08:05.160 -> 08:07.020] There's probably some of the story
[08:07.020 -> 08:07.940] to what you guys have heard
[08:07.940 -> 08:09.560] from professional racing drivers a lot.
[08:09.560 -> 08:11.040] You know, they're terrible at karting,
[08:11.040 -> 08:12.200] but they, you know, keep chipping away.
[08:12.200 -> 08:14.880] But there would be a lot of them a lot younger than 11.
[08:14.880 -> 08:15.720] Yes, quite.
[08:15.720 -> 08:18.760] I'll use that as my first excuse as to why I didn't make it.
[08:18.760 -> 08:20.720] So yeah, no, I had to go, I mean, like everyone else,
[08:20.720 -> 08:22.320] you know, same sob stories everybody else.
[08:22.320 -> 08:23.720] I was lapped in my first race,
[08:23.720 -> 08:25.300] and then now I'm a professional racer. Well, I didn't, I'm not a professional racing driver, else. I was left in my first race and then I'm now I'm a professional racer
[08:25.300 -> 08:29.680] Well, I didn't I'm not a professional racing driver, but I was left in my first race. So we've got that in common
[08:30.760 -> 08:32.760] So I was just casting
[08:33.120 -> 08:38.460] From when I was 11 all the way through there was a couple of moments in my sort of mid-teens where I kind of really thought
[08:38.460 -> 08:41.600] Like, you know, I think I can go out and be a racing driver
[08:41.920 -> 08:45.640] But by the time I was 16 17 that realization had sailed
[08:46.560 -> 08:48.120] And just turned out, you know
[08:48.120 -> 08:52.680] I'm not this isn't gonna be a career for me and even if I could try and make it a career which I
[08:53.080 -> 08:55.080] Could have tried
[08:56.080 -> 09:00.800] It wouldn't have been a very profitable one it would have put my parents under ridiculous financial stress
[09:00.800 -> 09:05.760] It would have put myself under that, you know, knock-on effect of that stress as well. It wasn't gonna be for me
[09:06.680 -> 09:14.200] So I'd been pivoted into doing something completely different that wasn't car racing and just sort of re-figure out what I want to do with my life
[09:14.880 -> 09:18.660] So that was good, but now I got it. I got a couple of good carding results. I won a national title in
[09:19.440 -> 09:22.600] 2015 in New Zealand, so but I had the
[09:24.360 -> 09:31.400] At the fortune and misfortune of being teammates with Marcus Armstrong when I would have been
[09:32.440 -> 09:37.880] 16 15 16. So is that when you met Marcus for the first time? Yeah, I think so. So he would have been about
[09:38.480 -> 09:43.520] 12 probably the first time I met him. I was like 15. Oh wow, and he was just at the car track and
[09:44.720 -> 09:47.760] No one really liked Marcus and so we can get into that later
[09:48.840 -> 09:51.800] But basically the reason why people didn't like him was because he won so much
[09:51.800 -> 09:56.000] Yeah, by so much the people were throwing all sorts of cheating accusations at him and like they
[09:56.640 -> 09:58.640] They were just not true
[09:58.720 -> 10:01.400] That good, but a quick cards because I cook it in what we just did today
[10:02.080 -> 10:07.800] Significantly. Yeah. Yeah, so these were Rotax carts, which a lot of the guys you've got on your board there
[10:07.800 -> 10:11.320] Well, they'll be familiar with Rotax engines. It was it's an Austrian company
[10:11.840 -> 10:16.040] Could be RP produced these carting engines that were you know, we usually raced in New Zealand
[10:16.720 -> 10:18.200] There's other
[10:18.200 -> 10:20.560] Categories and all that kind of stuff, but this is what was popular for us
[10:21.200 -> 10:24.360] And so I first hand got to watch a young Marcus Armstrong
[10:24.800 -> 10:25.020] Just play with his food. Basically when he was racing locally in New Zealand. I saw him popular for us. And so I firsthand got to watch a young Marcus Armstrong
[10:25.020 -> 10:27.640] just play with his food basically
[10:27.640 -> 10:29.100] when he was racing locally in New Zealand.
[10:29.100 -> 10:31.740] I saw him, he won the national race
[10:31.740 -> 10:36.440] by a margin of 22 seconds in a 28 lap race in the rain.
[10:36.440 -> 10:38.800] And the guy who finished second was no slouch,
[10:38.800 -> 10:40.400] like no slouch.
[10:40.400 -> 10:41.240] And so-
[10:41.240 -> 10:42.060] Do you know who he was, the guy in second?
[10:42.060 -> 10:43.140] Yeah, I'm not gonna name and shame,
[10:43.140 -> 10:44.880] because that is a bit, that's a bit rough,
[10:44.880 -> 10:46.680] but he's still driving professionally. Yeah, I'm not gonna name and shame because that is a bit that's a bit rough But he's still driving
[10:47.880 -> 10:50.540] The guy who now I'll tell you I'll tell you after but
[10:51.040 -> 10:57.160] So yes being next to that in a team environment kind of you can go. Yeah. Yeah, he's gonna make it. Mm-hmm
[10:58.160 -> 11:01.720] Especially when you're that bit older as well. You can see it. You can see it straight exactly
[11:01.720 -> 11:07.640] Did you fucking hate him first as well? Did you get along with him? I have I hated him. I loved him. I was on the bandwagon. I was like, yeah
[11:08.720 -> 11:15.220] From Christ Church is definitely cheating. There's no way anyone can be that much better than I am. It's not possible and then
[11:15.820 -> 11:19.520] The meaner and meaner it got I mean to the point where he'd have like casting dads
[11:19.520 -> 11:24.440] Look the size of most rugby league players like threatening to beat him up at the weekends. I was like, why is it?
[11:24.480 -> 11:27.280] He's not that he's alright. He's actually an alright kid
[11:27.280 -> 11:29.200] And so and then we got to know each other a little bit
[11:29.200 -> 11:34.480] I just sort of you know slap on the shoulder me up. Everyone's a dick to you for no reason mate. You're you're a good peddler
[11:34.480 -> 11:36.480] All right. Yeah, keep going
[11:36.920 -> 11:42.240] And then we sort of we hung on to that friendship which turned into you know, our own podcast now
[11:42.240 -> 11:44.240] But anyway going back to my own racing
[11:46.560 -> 11:48.200] Yeah, I mean I did a couple of bits and pieces
[11:48.200 -> 11:49.520] in Formula Ford and things like that,
[11:49.520 -> 11:52.280] but I was pretty realistic from when I was 16.
[11:52.280 -> 11:53.760] It's quite funny, because when we first met you
[11:53.760 -> 11:56.460] at the Quadrant video with Lando and everyone else,
[11:56.460 -> 11:58.200] we thought you were a racing driver.
[11:58.200 -> 11:59.020] Yeah.
[11:59.020 -> 11:59.860] Like we just assumed,
[11:59.860 -> 12:00.680] because you were better than everyone else.
[12:00.680 -> 12:02.040] I was like, fuck, I know this guy's quick.
[12:02.040 -> 12:02.880] Yeah.
[12:02.880 -> 12:03.700] This guy's the shit.
[12:03.700 -> 12:05.600] It actually happens a lot even on weekends
[12:07.280 -> 12:12.320] Where there's a race going on and I'm not even holding helmets or anything or around any other drivers
[12:12.320 -> 12:15.120] I'll check into the W a driver. You look like one. Yeah
[12:15.720 -> 12:19.340] No, but let me tell you about my national championship in 2015
[12:20.360 -> 12:22.360] And I'll proceed to pull them to tears
[12:22.440 -> 12:27.580] Is you were saying in the car earlier that people think that you're like the lads manager or something or that they tell you?
[12:27.580 -> 12:29.580] That's no. Yeah, so I
[12:30.240 -> 12:34.180] Mean technically I half managed some of them sometimes
[12:35.240 -> 12:39.500] Emotion. Yeah, emotionally sexually physically. Yeah important stuff. Yeah
[12:40.200 -> 12:45.060] But no that they used to if we were out in the bars and stuff like that, especially
[12:46.080 -> 12:50.440] when I was in a relationship some of the other boys had always like to wind me up and they go and tell girls and
[12:50.960 -> 12:53.700] Carry on that guy's like all of our manager
[12:53.700 -> 12:55.520] He's like richer than all of us put together
[12:55.520 -> 12:56.400] They you know
[12:56.400 -> 12:58.920] You want to get on that train and so like next thing, you know
[12:58.920 -> 13:01.080] I'd have some girl come up to be like do you want to buy me a drink?
[13:05.040 -> 13:05.880] And then I just see them giggling in the corner Be like, do you want to buy me a drink? And I'd be like, no. Why would I want to buy you a drink? I haven't met you before.
[13:05.880 -> 13:08.960] And then I just see them giggling in the corner.
[13:08.960 -> 13:10.200] I'd be like, you fucking.
[13:10.200 -> 13:11.560] That's jokes.
[13:11.560 -> 13:13.760] Yeah, so they love to try and stitch you up like that.
[13:13.760 -> 13:15.360] How young did you meet Clem?
[13:16.440 -> 13:19.400] I met Clem sort of through social media
[13:19.400 -> 13:22.480] when Clem and Marcus were teammates,
[13:22.480 -> 13:24.280] karting in Europe.
[13:24.280 -> 13:29.440] So we've sort of both played that role of Marcus's team at in casting claims just a bit quicker than I am
[13:31.040 -> 13:34.960] But you wrote you raced against him as well, no never raced against Clem
[13:35.440 -> 13:38.760] We've done we did the same event once in Vegas, but that was it
[13:39.640 -> 13:41.040] so
[13:41.040 -> 13:44.940] No, I met Clem through the podcast. He was our first guest on our podcast
[13:45.420 -> 13:46.840] and So no, I met Clem through the podcast. He was our first guest on our podcast.
[13:49.360 -> 13:52.640] And then it was just so good that we kind of kept him around, you know, just if anything, just to boost morale.
[13:52.640 -> 13:53.480] And-
[13:53.480 -> 13:54.300] Did he worm his way in?
[13:54.300 -> 13:55.140] He wasn't actually part of the pod at first.
[13:55.140 -> 13:56.720] 100% 100% wormed his way in.
[13:56.720 -> 13:57.840] When we set up the company,
[13:57.840 -> 14:01.180] Marcus and I were 50, 50 shareholders.
[14:01.180 -> 14:04.160] Clem has now acquired, he's got 30% of the shares.
[14:04.160 -> 14:05.480] I don't know how
[14:12.240 -> 14:12.420] So it's broken up. He's a great guy to have around. Yeah, it's now broken up 30% between the three of us and Rory has 10
[14:13.640 -> 14:18.440] so That works well, and I didn't we can use the extra hands. We can use the extra chat. It's it's good now
[14:18.440 -> 14:19.720] You live with him
[14:19.720 -> 14:21.720] Yeah, I do
[14:21.840 -> 14:25.640] I don't know if I can say I live with him
[14:25.640 -> 14:29.860] more that he pays for the place that I live in
[14:29.860 -> 14:31.480] and he is sometimes there.
[14:31.480 -> 14:32.320] And you live there.
[14:32.320 -> 14:33.920] Yeah, because he's always traveling.
[14:33.920 -> 14:36.040] So he basically got this new flat in London
[14:36.040 -> 14:38.200] and I was kind of between places.
[14:38.200 -> 14:41.800] And he said, oh, mate, why don't you just move in with me?
[14:41.800 -> 14:44.840] I was like, I can't swing your kind of rent, mate.
[14:44.840 -> 14:46.440] I cannot afford to pay 50% of that. Thanks for the offer though. And he said, no, no, no, move in with me. I was like, I can't swing your kind of rent, but I cannot afford to pay 50% of that
[14:46.440 -> 14:51.220] Thanks for the offer though. And he said I just just take a room. I don't care. I I just want the company
[14:51.220 -> 14:55.040] So I was like, all right grass. I'll jump and I'll jump in the spare room there
[14:55.040 -> 15:01.340] And so that's where I've been for the past eight months and I genuinely think claim has probably spent less than ten nights there
[15:02.000 -> 15:05.280] 10 nights there
[15:11.160 -> 15:11.280] Always travel he's always got something to do is either DJing or is racing or he's you know playing tennis with his mom
[15:14.720 -> 15:15.200] He's a very strange man and very difficult man to pin down
[15:18.360 -> 15:21.720] But he's great fun. Like you say, it's good to have around. How'd you pay him back? You cook for him give him a back massage or anything. I'm like, I'm open to anything
[15:21.720 -> 15:25.380] I've made all sorts of elaborate offers, but he won't he won't accept a penny or a favor
[15:25.380 -> 15:26.580] so
[15:26.580 -> 15:30.600] That will just keep running from the tech. I gave him 30% of a company if that
[15:32.760 -> 15:37.960] It's not insignificant, well, didn't you have a pretty bad crash? Yeah, when did that happen?
[15:39.720 -> 15:41.720] That was 20
[15:42.560 -> 15:44.620] 16 that was November 2016
[15:45.000 -> 15:46.080] That was 2016, that was November 2016.
[15:48.080 -> 15:48.920] So I was, I think I was 19 or 20 at the time, maybe just turned 20.
[15:48.920 -> 15:49.740] That's young.
[15:49.740 -> 15:50.580] Yeah.
[15:50.580 -> 15:51.480] But this is at the point where you're already
[15:51.480 -> 15:53.480] kind of accepting that you aren't gonna be a racer.
[15:53.480 -> 15:54.920] Well and truly, well and truly.
[15:54.920 -> 15:58.600] So they do this event every year in Las Vegas
[15:58.600 -> 15:59.960] called the Super Nationals.
[15:59.960 -> 16:04.200] So it's the sort of, it's the American Super Bowl
[16:04.200 -> 16:06.560] of karting, which sounds like a really fast stretch, but all the sort of, it's the American Superbowl of karting, which sounds like a really fast stretch,
[16:06.560 -> 16:09.400] but all the sort of best drivers in the world
[16:09.400 -> 16:10.240] will typically go there,
[16:10.240 -> 16:12.800] or a few good handful of them, big teams.
[16:13.800 -> 16:14.640] That's when they invited you down?
[16:14.640 -> 16:15.480] Yeah, absolutely.
[16:15.480 -> 16:17.760] I, much like a Formula Two seed,
[16:17.760 -> 16:19.120] I actually paid my way in there.
[16:19.120 -> 16:23.200] But, so I showed up, I wanted to give it a crack,
[16:23.200 -> 16:25.400] and they set up this essentially street race
[16:25.400 -> 16:30.160] So it's like a Monaco in a big big car park just off the Vegas Strip
[16:30.860 -> 16:34.620] So you're still pulling sixth gear and you're probably heading around about I don't know maybe
[16:35.060 -> 16:39.800] 90 odd miles an hour what on those circuits so those are what they call a stock Honda
[16:40.460 -> 16:45.280] Which I think is a one to five engine, I could be totally wrong on that
[16:45.280 -> 16:49.120] And it's got six gears to it and you don't
[16:49.620 -> 16:52.560] The way they work you don't even lift off the throttle when you change gear
[16:52.560 -> 16:56.760] You do a flat shift so you keep your foot pinned and you just pull the thing. You're very familiar with that
[16:56.760 -> 16:59.440] Yeah, yeah, yeah pulling. Not so much these days. Yeah
[17:00.820 -> 17:03.080] But yes, I know the proper
[17:03.800 -> 17:09.200] Sticky tires front wheel brakes six gears. Yeah, probably heading around about somewhere in the region 90 miles an hour
[17:09.720 -> 17:13.600] On this street track. And so they set up the circuit by having these
[17:14.240 -> 17:17.600] Literally like traffic barriers. So when you go down the motorway and you know, they've got those sort of
[17:18.440 -> 17:23.760] Orange white orange white orange white thing plastic things bunch of those set up a racetrack with a few curbs involved
[17:22.960 -> 17:24.260] plastic things, those, set up a racetrack with a few curbs involved.
[17:25.500 -> 17:28.200] So I'd done it once before, I did it in 2015
[17:28.200 -> 17:31.860] and went horrendous, and then 2016 was like my sort of
[17:31.860 -> 17:33.300] second but last crack at it.
[17:33.300 -> 17:35.880] So I'd actually decided before I went to this race
[17:35.880 -> 17:37.000] that that was gonna be my last one.
[17:37.000 -> 17:39.700] I was done, I was moving into my career in insurance,
[17:39.700 -> 17:42.160] I'd had my job offered to make my start there.
[17:43.940 -> 17:47.060] And I was gonna finish that race and then come
[17:47.060 -> 17:51.500] in and say to my family and sort of closer team around me like that was it
[17:51.500 -> 17:56.860] I'm done a lot like in the way you know that scene in the Wolf of Wall Street
[17:56.860 -> 18:01.100] where Margot Robbie's having sex with Leonardo DiCaprio and then after which
[18:01.100 -> 18:06.900] goes that was the last time yeah I wanted that kind of vibe with my parents and
[18:08.040 -> 18:10.700] So unfortunately fate intervened and
[18:13.080 -> 18:15.840] In one of the heat races, I think was the third heat race
[18:18.120 -> 18:20.120] Was the third heat race I went out and
[18:20.520 -> 18:27.080] Got involved in this crash down the straight. I'll show you video. You have a video of it? Yeah it's on YouTube
[18:27.080 -> 18:30.440] No, play it now.
[18:30.440 -> 18:33.680] Fucking adverts. Oh ads, are you not running YouTube premium?
[18:33.680 -> 18:37.480] We have YouTube premium. We're a pair to rent.
[18:37.480 -> 18:40.480] This is on board me
[18:40.480 -> 18:45.100] and so I went under those barriers, so this is a slow-motion replay. So you came out of the car?
[18:45.100 -> 18:47.400] Oh, so I got basically
[18:49.280 -> 18:54.800] Behind me boom goes the dinosaur you can this is this is on board my team that behind me fucking barged you man. Yeah
[18:55.320 -> 18:57.320] barged you
[18:58.640 -> 19:00.160] Sorry, there's
[19:00.160 -> 19:05.900] When you said like 90 miles an hour, I just assumed it was a car not Carter. No, no, no cuts
[19:05.900 -> 19:11.420] Yeah, they get up there. That's arguably more dangerous than having a piece of metal around you, right? You could say that. Yeah
[19:12.020 -> 19:14.060] and so that I mean
[19:15.100 -> 19:17.800] From head to toe. I mean the injuries I had from that one
[19:18.820 -> 19:20.820] I obviously knocked myself out
[19:21.220 -> 19:23.880] Chipped a couple of teeth in the back there. I broke my
[19:24.660 -> 19:30.880] C5 No C4 vertebrae, which is right up here in my neck.
[19:30.880 -> 19:32.680] I dislocated my shoulder.
[19:32.680 -> 19:35.200] I broke a couple of bones in my left hand.
[19:35.200 -> 19:37.600] I had burns on my neck.
[19:37.600 -> 19:42.360] I think I broke my right leg here in about three places all around the knee.
[19:42.360 -> 19:47.500] I broke my left foot, which was a real bastard having a broken right leg and a broken left foot I mean they don't even
[19:47.500 -> 19:53.300] let me oh my god and then I had I got this third degree burn on my leg here
[19:53.300 -> 19:58.940] because when I woke up from you know the aftermath of the crash my leg was just
[19:58.940 -> 20:10.320] sat on the exhaust pipe which runs hot is it still can you still see it now? Oh, yeah I know you guys love another yeah, we have a scar. Can we see it now sick puppies?
[20:12.120 -> 20:15.580] Can we film a clip yeah, yeah, let me milk it
[20:16.860 -> 20:22.200] That's that's it. It's actually in a real fortunate place cuz like inside the bottom of my right leg, so it's
[20:23.800 -> 20:28.600] Yeah, it's pretty not it was a lot uglier so that's like a skin graft yeah
[20:28.880 -> 20:33.480] Yeah from underneath my so you were knocked out and obviously you've woke up and your legs just sat on the exhaust
[20:33.480 -> 20:35.480] And then the scary the worst thing was right
[20:35.480 -> 20:41.460] so I mean I've noticed that and I happen to know that exhausts run pretty hot and so
[20:41.760 -> 20:44.520] My instant reaction is get get your legs off
[20:46.300 -> 20:55.020] Because I'd broken my C4 vertebrae, my nervous system was all kind of shot. And so after I sort of went
[20:55.020 -> 21:01.620] and sort of made that brain signal myself, get up, nothing worked. And I was like, oh,
[21:01.620 -> 21:05.820] fuck. Well, your legs aren't moving. Yeah, nothing, couldn't move.
[21:07.320 -> 21:09.280] Luckily, I remember one of the first things
[21:09.280 -> 21:10.680] I ever saw about crashing a race car,
[21:10.680 -> 21:11.520] I think it was something like,
[21:11.520 -> 21:13.720] I think it might've been Hamilton.
[21:13.720 -> 21:16.160] And every time, or somebody told me this,
[21:16.160 -> 21:17.880] when you crash, you move your toes
[21:17.880 -> 21:20.640] to check you can still do everything.
[21:20.640 -> 21:23.040] And so I was, I'll move, see if I can move my toes.
[21:23.040 -> 21:24.040] And this is probably all happening
[21:24.040 -> 21:25.420] within the space of about a second and a half
[21:25.940 -> 21:30.520] It felt like days. I'm gonna say no one had come over to yet. You're still on your own
[21:30.520 -> 21:32.740] I know it's still just like looking at the sky
[21:34.020 -> 21:36.240] And so I'm it was soon as I felt my toes move. I was like
[21:36.840 -> 21:41.100] All right, it's not that bad. It's bad, but it's not that bad
[21:42.440 -> 21:44.440] They cleared me from the track really quickly
[21:45.760 -> 21:47.520] The medical team came over they did what they had to do.
[21:47.520 -> 21:48.960] They shouldn't have taken my helmet off,
[21:48.960 -> 21:50.400] but I was screaming at them to take it off
[21:50.400 -> 21:51.360] because I was in all sorts of pain.
[21:51.360 -> 21:54.280] But they shouldn't have taken my helmet off.
[21:54.280 -> 21:57.120] And they sat me upright and they did
[21:57.120 -> 21:59.680] the classic concussion test of how many fingers
[21:59.680 -> 22:01.200] am I holding up?
[22:01.200 -> 22:02.960] And I was like, two.
[22:02.960 -> 22:06.600] And then, because it was in the States, So who's the president and bear in mind?
[22:06.600 -> 22:08.600] This is November 2016
[22:08.700 -> 22:12.740] We just had the election. I just went not Hillary and they're like, he's fine
[22:16.080 -> 22:21.220] He's not concussed but you know, it turns out I'd broke my leg, you know had the burn that was really bad
[22:21.220 -> 22:22.640] You know bad concussion
[22:22.640 -> 22:25.240] So and luckily one of the other drivers in my team His girlfriend was there and she was a nurse so she could take another look at the burn that was really bad, you know bad concussion So and luckily one of the other drivers in my team
[22:25.560 -> 22:30.060] His girlfriend was there and she was a nurse so she could take another look at the burn and just go. Oh my god
[22:30.060 -> 22:32.060] I've done pigs breakfast of us
[22:32.760 -> 22:39.880] Redress that so smells like bacon. It looks it really did it was it smelt like cooks flesh. So that was rough
[22:40.760 -> 22:42.640] and then
[22:42.640 -> 22:48.220] Yeah, so after that, I mean I had three months recovering various different surgeries in the States
[22:48.220 -> 22:49.240] You start the States the whole time
[22:49.240 -> 22:55.060] No, so actually that's where a lot of my what I do now becomes a bit relevant to that day where so I got
[22:55.440 -> 22:57.440] sent home I spent the night in my
[22:57.680 -> 23:00.500] hotel room my parents were checking on me every
[23:00.960 -> 23:07.920] Hour and a half hour or so because I was concussed that you need to make sure that you can't really let someone sleep with a bad concussion
[23:07.920 -> 23:15.920] thanks mate for the mid fucking podcast and an audio take and so you can't be
[23:15.920 -> 23:20.640] you know that woke me up and whatever so I I wanted to race the next day so I
[23:20.640 -> 23:28.600] wanted to even with them injuries yeah because I'd done a horrendous job of the same event 12 months prior and I was doing really well
[23:28.600 -> 23:32.480] I was running up in my class I think I was I qualified like 14th or something
[23:32.480 -> 23:36.680] out of 46 I was running up so near the top 10 so I was like well I at least
[23:36.680 -> 23:42.120] want to make the start and then just come straight in so I could say at least
[23:42.120 -> 23:46.960] I started what I set out to try and find, sat myself up right in hospital,
[23:46.960 -> 23:49.640] not in hospital, in my hotel the next morning.
[23:49.640 -> 23:51.640] And I couldn't even sit up right without being sick
[23:51.640 -> 23:53.120] because my concussion was bad.
[23:53.120 -> 23:54.040] So they're like, all right,
[23:54.040 -> 23:55.240] you're not going anywhere near a race track.
[23:55.240 -> 23:57.080] So they were taking you to the hospital.
[23:57.080 -> 23:59.920] So they managed to get me in a cab,
[23:59.920 -> 24:02.000] somewhat leaning back and whatever else.
[24:02.000 -> 24:04.720] And then I did probably the finest example of timing
[24:04.720 -> 24:06.280] that's ever happened in my life where
[24:06.460 -> 24:12.020] We get to the hotel lobby and they say we need to see someone and they go. All right, how urgent is it?
[24:12.020 -> 24:14.020] And then I passed out
[24:15.060 -> 24:17.060] I've got a bit pretty quick
[24:17.980 -> 24:23.900] But that day in hospital, they ran all the scans that I spent eight or nine hours in hospital and
[24:24.560 -> 24:25.860] The bill came to
[24:25.860 -> 24:33.020] 72,000 US dollars. Oh my god yeah that's fucked. Because in America it's
[24:33.020 -> 24:36.820] different with that stuff right you have to pay obviously we have NHS we're
[24:36.820 -> 24:40.900] really lucky with that. Yeah but even if you're visiting here like most
[24:40.900 -> 24:45.260] nationals will get taken care of by the NHS, but there's still an element of you know
[24:45.260 -> 24:49.980] You you'd have to pay for something if you weren't paying tax in this country, then you probably couldn't have you know
[24:50.740 -> 24:56.140] Yeah, I don't know, but there's a line gets drawn somewhere, but in the States. It's it's just open season
[24:56.140 -> 25:00.500] They absolutely hammer you with the medical bills so it's seventy two thousand dollars
[25:01.260 -> 25:05.120] US so I've had a hundred K in New Zealand money
[25:06.120 -> 25:07.720] and
[25:07.720 -> 25:12.640] Sure enough standard travel insurance policy wording which I now am somewhat familiar with
[25:13.480 -> 25:15.480] Doesn't cover racing of any kind
[25:15.600 -> 25:20.840] So we didn't have insurance for this medical bill so through various litigation and denounce
[25:20.840 -> 25:23.800] It's a long paper trail that I won't get totally into we managed to recover it
[25:24.000 -> 25:25.100] Certain amount of money from the organization's or whatever, but it was a real paper trail that I won't get totally into. We managed to recover a certain amount of money
[25:25.100 -> 25:26.920] from the organizations or whatever,
[25:26.920 -> 25:28.760] but it was a real legal arm wrestle.
[25:29.720 -> 25:31.960] And so we sent, we gave the hospital
[25:31.960 -> 25:33.820] a certain amount of money and they fucked off.
[25:33.820 -> 25:37.680] But that's now what I do, part of what I do for a living.
[25:37.680 -> 25:39.720] I was gonna say, is that why you got into what you do now?
[25:39.720 -> 25:43.000] Yeah, and it's why, so what I do now,
[25:43.000 -> 25:46.720] for those at home who aren't in the motorsport insurance purchasing market,
[25:47.620 -> 25:50.460] is I sell motorsport insurance to drivers,
[25:50.460 -> 25:51.940] a lot of them being karting drivers
[25:51.940 -> 25:54.100] all the way up to Formula One, essentially.
[25:55.300 -> 25:57.140] If they do get hurt somewhere in a foreign country,
[25:57.140 -> 25:58.740] then the expenses are taken care of.
[25:58.740 -> 25:59.580] Like, you can get-
[25:59.580 -> 26:00.580] Who's some of your biggest clients, can you say?
[26:00.580 -> 26:03.140] No, I can't, but I mean, I can say who I've quoted,
[26:03.140 -> 26:06.740] I guess, a couple of times, but that's kind of by the by but if you
[26:07.360 -> 26:13.000] So kind of mine had a crash at the nerve aggregates there and a professional race there and had to get a heli
[26:13.000 -> 26:15.000] He's fine had to get a helicopter
[26:16.560 -> 26:21.640] Evacuation from the nerve egg ring to the hospital because obviously wherever you crash on the nerve egg ring you got to get to them
[26:21.640 -> 26:25.840] Yeah, it was like nine miles long. I think exactly. So that's about five and a half thousand euros
[26:26.300 -> 26:29.800] Just that the helicopter ride to the hospital and someone's gonna pay for that
[26:30.600 -> 26:34.240] And a lot of the time now fortunately, it's my insurers
[26:34.920 -> 26:36.080] so
[26:36.080 -> 26:39.320] Going back to the calling point if we now have you know
[26:39.320 -> 26:43.680] Kiwi carters whoever from whatever country you're from if you're going to the United States to race you need insurance
[26:43.680 -> 26:44.680] Whoever from whatever country from if you're going to the United States to race you need insurance
[26:48.240 -> 26:50.720] So if this happens to you and your mind was only nine hours So if you ended up in some kind of medically induced coma
[26:50.720 -> 26:51.520] Oh good, you know
[26:51.520 -> 26:57.300] God knows what happens and you need to be there for you'd be racking up probably the better part of a hundred grand a day
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[28:26.440 -> 28:30.280] Wow. Yeah, so it's relatively important to have the insurance.
[28:30.280 -> 28:34.680] And I'm a walking billboard for the product I have.
[28:34.680 -> 28:36.800] Yeah, sure, yeah, yeah.
[28:36.800 -> 28:39.080] So yeah, it is super important.
[28:39.080 -> 28:40.160] And it's close to my heart, obviously,
[28:40.160 -> 28:42.520] because it's an issue that's affected me and my family.
[28:42.520 -> 28:44.560] And now I can sell something
[28:44.560 -> 28:48.120] in the financial services sector and actually so I'm making a positive difference
[28:48.120 -> 28:52.200] Which yeah, people might be able to do does it still affect you now like any of the injuries that you feel anything?
[28:52.200 -> 28:55.320] Do you have any like, you know stuff you can't I can't really run
[28:55.920 -> 29:00.280] Because so this leg that was broken here. You can still fucking dance. I saw you
[29:00.800 -> 29:02.800] Oh, yeah
[29:05.160 -> 29:07.820] But I can't run it's a real blessing in disguise actually
[29:08.820 -> 29:13.560] Because they had to address the burn on this leg. They couldn't put a cast on my leg
[29:13.860 -> 29:18.080] So they just while I wasn't really doing anything. I was pretty immobile three months
[29:18.080 -> 29:20.080] They said we're just gonna have to let it sit there
[29:20.580 -> 29:21.720] well
[29:21.720 -> 29:25.840] And he'll so I've been and that's I would need to break it all over again if we were to fix it up and I was
[29:25.840 -> 29:31.240] Like, you know, I'll just I'll take the chair. I'm yeah, yeah, so there's that and then
[29:31.840 -> 29:33.840] Girlfriend always last me whenever it gets cold
[29:34.000 -> 29:39.740] It kind of plays off again. So the cold weather hurts my knee at age 25 and 26 now, but yeah
[29:40.520 -> 29:43.400] It was a tough one. How many people know that have you ever spoken about that much?
[29:43.400 -> 29:44.600] It was a tough one. How many people know that have you ever spoken about that much?
[29:50.480 -> 29:51.000] Yeah, people who know me know it. Yeah, but yeah people probably on you follow my social media probably aren't too aware
[29:53.000 -> 29:59.880] Speaking of following me we're chatting about this earlier You have like an army like I feel like the screaming mills fans are they're like so loyal if it was an army
[29:59.880 -> 30:03.640] It would be probably the New Zealand army now because it's small
[30:04.640 -> 30:11.360] Committed passionate and we're very very good, but very small your gauge is like insane. Yeah, it's a weird one the new
[30:12.520 -> 30:14.880] podcasting gig because I've sort of
[30:15.840 -> 30:21.120] Yeah, you write it off like when you just go into a normal career. I knew you know I
[30:21.640 -> 30:25.840] Had fancy mates from the day. I started my first day an insurance job
[30:25.840 -> 30:29.860] But that was kind of like oh your mates in Formula 3. That's cool. All right. Here's the work
[30:29.860 -> 30:31.860] You need to get it on today, and it's all that kind of stuff
[30:32.240 -> 30:38.280] Which is fine. I would totally accept to that and then when Marcus asked me to be on his podcast. I was kind of like
[30:38.280 -> 30:39.160] Oh
[30:39.160 -> 30:42.640] My life's probably about to be a little bit different to what I'm used to
[30:43.560 -> 30:48.960] And that's the fortunate position. I'm glad that this has all come about in a point in my life where I
[30:50.080 -> 30:52.080] really die, I don't need the
[30:52.440 -> 30:55.360] accreditation of a certain amount of followers or what-have-you is just
[30:56.080 -> 30:59.720] it's kind of it's fun and it's nice that a lot of people like what I'm doing, but
[31:00.520 -> 31:06.040] Ultimate that doesn't push my buttons, you know, I think people love the commentary. Yeah, the commentary
[31:07.600 -> 31:10.880] Is a lot of fun, yeah, I think I slagged you off in the last one I did
[31:16.560 -> 31:20.400] But now it's good fun like because it all stems from a
[31:21.520 -> 31:25.400] Group of a lot of the stuff that we do at screaming meals, which is our channel
[31:26.240 -> 31:28.080] is
[31:28.080 -> 31:31.280] Derived from a radio station in New Zealand called radio hierarchy
[31:31.400 -> 31:31.900] Yeah
[31:31.900 -> 31:36.200] You've shown me the videos when I've been at yours like or the YouTube's if that come from the fish and show
[31:36.200 -> 31:38.680] Yeah, there was the cooking show that you were like you like that
[31:38.680 -> 31:43.760] Yeah, interesting to see the behind the scenes of why you guys like to do. I don't know why is it called screaming meals?
[31:43.780 -> 31:44.400] The behind the scenes of why you guys like to do I don't know why is it called screaming meals?
[31:49.440 -> 31:52.520] Yes, and my involvement in the conception of screaming meals is kind of twofold in that
[31:56.760 -> 31:58.180] So I think I went around to mark's this place and we were gonna go out for dinner later that evening and
[32:02.120 -> 32:03.280] while I was around his place I showed him screaming reels, which is a
[32:08.400 -> 32:10.620] Fishing show. It's a comedy fishing show from New Zealand in the early 2000s
[32:15.560 -> 32:16.380] From a couple guys called Jason Hoyt and Lee Hart and I showed him this and he thought was actually hilarious
[32:20.700 -> 32:25.160] And then you know some time passes and we got we got for dinner and marks is going through his phone he's taking photos of what his meal turns out to be, you know, he's of that generation and
[32:27.120 -> 32:30.400] Because I've got all these photos of food on my phone, I've got nowhere to post them
[32:31.160 -> 32:37.160] Why you know, I might start a food blog or something just for me to talk some shit. And yeah
[32:37.160 -> 32:40.880] I'll post some photos of my food. I don't know and so he's like, okay, girl
[32:40.880 -> 32:43.920] What should we call it? And I said, why don't we call it screaming meals?
[32:43.920 -> 32:44.640] So it's okay. Go watch we call it and I said, why don't we call it screaming meals?
[32:50.520 -> 32:50.920] Instead of screaming reels and he was like that's funny and that's as much thought went into the screaming meals name
[32:52.080 -> 32:56.880] full stop so then he did this food blog on Instagram for a while and then by the time that we just he said to me he
[32:56.880 -> 32:58.880] Wanted to do a podcast just a podcast
[33:00.080 -> 33:02.240] And then I said, okay, right
[33:02.240 -> 33:05.760] So what you want to make sure you doing is you want to make sure you own all the content you don't want to work
[33:05.760 -> 33:10.640] For somebody else and they own it and you get bossed around you want to make sure you're out right you can do what you
[33:10.640 -> 33:12.640] Want what any goes? Okay? Yeah
[33:12.640 -> 33:17.080] Do you want to come to the meeting that I've got set up with Rory as it turned out because basically I was worried that Rory
[33:17.080 -> 33:21.400] Was just gonna take and for the people at home who don't know Rory is for our listeners
[33:21.400 -> 33:26.200] He's a guy who films chasing the dream theft. Ooh. Yeah, so he produces great guys company and him
[33:26.200 -> 33:28.200] That's all him himself at the moment
[33:28.960 -> 33:34.960] Produces f2 chasing the dreams. That's all sent really just one guy chucks that out in a week. He's amazing
[33:35.520 -> 33:39.760] He's really really talented. He's his talents so wasted on us like it's
[33:41.680 -> 33:43.680] It's quite sad
[33:45.040 -> 33:48.080] He see he he was there we met with Rory and he said, you know
[33:48.080 -> 33:49.760] He told me I want you to be a part of the podcast
[33:49.760 -> 33:53.040] I saw screaming meals as your food blog already kind of has its own
[33:53.120 -> 33:56.760] It's already somewhat of a brand when you just use that and so we landed on it
[33:57.240 -> 34:00.840] And so then the rest is history that's available on YouTube
[34:02.280 -> 34:04.280] As you guys probably yeah, yeah
[34:07.400 -> 34:12.560] available on YouTube as you guys probably know all too much about. Do you want to talk about F1? Yeah let's talk about a bit of F1. Who's the best driver on the grid? Max for me.
[34:12.560 -> 34:17.640] Yeah? Yeah. Understandable. Yeah would you what would you would you like to hear any
[34:17.640 -> 34:25.800] justification as to why? I don't really need it but yeah go ahead sure. He's the fastest Yeah, it was very well buxom of me actually
[34:27.240 -> 34:28.440] But
[34:28.440 -> 34:33.680] No, I think there's there's a theory that's popular amongst the the drivers especially instead of f2
[34:33.680 -> 34:38.680] And I think it's not too far off correct is that the generation of talent that we have coming through at the moment is
[34:39.280 -> 34:40.560] is
[34:40.560 -> 34:42.680] better set up to be as
[34:43.400 -> 34:50.580] Good as they are Keep up with me here because they've been professional athletes from day one like their first time in a go-kart
[34:50.580 -> 34:55.380] It was there was probably five people watching and there was data systems
[34:55.380 -> 35:01.340] There was timing they could have everything about what the engines doing and then they'd come in at like six to eight years or whatever
[35:01.340 -> 35:05.160] Yeah, and study data and look at where they can prove
[35:05.160 -> 35:09.080] so from the first time they ever stepped in a car they've had that information
[35:09.080 -> 35:14.160] available to them you can't say that for you know you can be Rykken ins your
[35:14.160 -> 35:20.200] Alonso's all those guys so they're obviously Hamilton arguably Rykken and
[35:20.200 -> 35:23.840] Alonso they'll clung in there they're probably an exception to the rule but I
[35:23.840 -> 35:27.240] think that's probably why you'll never see you know guys like Hulkenberg Magnussen
[35:27.360 -> 35:32.920] So anyone sort of over 30 is it that disadvantage from day one to Norris?
[35:32.920 -> 35:36.040] Yeah, Vestappen your piastri because they've just been
[35:36.560 -> 35:40.840] It's been more like work for them than it has been a hobby since day one
[35:41.800 -> 35:50.720] and that's why Lewis is so impressive is because he came up without that and he's adapted and so yeah I mean for me the the fastest driver is max
[35:50.720 -> 35:55.440] the best driver I think is a different discussion I think that Lewis is you
[35:55.440 -> 35:59.440] probably make the argument that he's more complete than max is just a man you
[35:59.440 -> 36:05.360] only get that through experience career yeah so you know maybe Pete Hamilton you
[36:05.360 -> 36:10.280] might argue will be better than peak just happen if he decides to hang up the
[36:10.280 -> 36:14.400] helmet before he's won as much yeah I mean this is where we get stuck because
[36:14.400 -> 36:18.440] we didn't watch Pete Cameron I've only seen highlights and we know he's got the
[36:18.440 -> 36:21.480] records but we weren't watching that's what well I mean there's no reason to
[36:21.480 -> 36:24.480] say that Pete Hamilton hasn't happened yet I mean he's probably pushing that
[36:24.480 -> 36:26.280] idea record well I mean everyone you's no reason to say that Pete Campbell's and hasn't happened yet. I mean, he's probably pushing that I could well, I mean
[36:26.920 -> 36:31.120] Everyone, you know you improve and you get better every every year that that's true
[36:31.120 -> 36:33.720] I mean look at Scott Dixon and everything he achieves in IndyCar
[36:33.720 -> 36:38.840] He's won the three of the last four races of IndyCar and the season where he hadn't won yet
[36:38.840 -> 36:45.840] Because and he's for I want to say he's 42 maybe even 43 now Scott Dixon. Yeah. Well same age as Alonzo. He's older than one
[36:45.840 -> 36:50.200] So I'm pretty sure he's older than Alonso and kicking ass of you know, 19
[36:50.840 -> 36:53.200] And upwards you're old. He's my team mate, right?
[36:54.400 -> 37:00.480] Yes, he is. You'll edit that but yes, he's Marcus. Yes. He's Marcus teammate. Yeah, so
[37:01.440 -> 37:03.880] Even Alonzo is not in his like it could be in his prime now
[37:03.880 -> 37:10.240] No, well exactly and like you look at the way that Alonso approaches the race. He might not always have the pace on Lance. That's
[37:11.000 -> 37:13.560] Most of the time yeah, he might do but even when he doesn't
[37:14.200 -> 37:15.800] He'll find a way to beat him in the race
[37:15.800 -> 37:21.420] And you know being the fastest race driver and being the fastest qualifying driver as we saw last year with the clerk taking I think
[37:21.420 -> 37:24.080] Most of the pole positions last year very very different beasts
[37:25.080 -> 37:28.480] So yeah, that's that's my attack. I think yeah, Max is the fastest
[37:28.600 -> 37:33.860] So looking at like the next couple years coming up from f3 f2, you know who who deserves that seat?
[37:33.920 -> 37:40.080] Obviously, we all you know, Olly Berman. Yeah, what do you mean by that seat? What Sergio's seat or any any see any available?
[37:40.080 -> 37:42.160] You know, you know the younger guys and yeah
[37:42.160 -> 37:45.240] You know a lot of the talents like who do you think will be an f1 driver in?
[37:45.240 -> 37:47.420] Yes to come well the different
[37:48.680 -> 37:52.120] Two very different questions in in recent so like the next couple years
[37:53.040 -> 37:57.560] 2425 26 so the two questions of who do you think deserves it and who do you think will be it?
[37:57.560 -> 37:59.880] They're two very different questions. We've all very different answers
[38:01.120 -> 38:02.880] There's a lot of guys that deserve it
[38:02.880 -> 38:06.200] I strongly believe there's an oversaturation of talent
[38:06.200 -> 38:08.540] at the moment in motorsport for the top level.
[38:08.540 -> 38:10.720] And that's even crept into IndyCar now as well.
[38:10.720 -> 38:14.000] It's pretty tough to get a seat in IndyCar now.
[38:14.000 -> 38:16.320] Like the silly season they've just gone through.
[38:16.320 -> 38:19.080] It doesn't get as much press as the F1 stuff,
[38:19.080 -> 38:20.960] but it goes off.
[38:20.960 -> 38:22.040] It's wild.
[38:22.040 -> 38:24.040] Like when I was there in Indianapolis,
[38:24.040 -> 38:27.220] between Nashville and Indianapolis road race
[38:27.880 -> 38:33.600] The drivers who I just hung out with playing golf like the amount of rumors and shit that I heard and just that week was
[38:33.760 -> 38:37.780] Insane like better than any f1 for the season if you were into that kind of stuff
[38:37.780 -> 38:42.120] I personally don't love the drama of it, especially when they're my mates involved, but
[38:42.920 -> 38:48.300] Yeah, that's that's a real eye-opener is the silly season and an IndyCar, but anyway no get me to your point. I mean
[38:49.560 -> 38:51.560] if you look at I mean
[38:51.680 -> 38:53.680] Porches
[38:54.080 -> 38:59.460] Done a lot to stick his hand up for that salvo seat that's just gone the way of Quan you just got in it
[38:59.840 -> 39:01.920] But I think when you look at Guan Yu shows
[39:02.760 -> 39:05.800] Record it's it's pretty hard to argue with why you would get rid of him
[39:05.800 -> 39:08.720] And he'd I know that he threw I don't know where it comes from
[39:08.720 -> 39:13.200] But he does produce a lot of money as well and come for the team, especially being the only Chinese driver
[39:13.200 -> 39:18.560] He's got a you know, that's a market of one point whatever it is billion people right now. Yeah who want an f1 driver?
[39:18.560 -> 39:20.560] Yeah, there's a real fun. Yeah
[39:20.560 -> 39:24.480] So I signed yet. No, he hasn't but they promised him a seat right for next year
[39:24.480 -> 39:28.340] Yeah, a lot of stuff gets promised in motorsport that doesn't necessarily always get delivered
[39:28.340 -> 39:33.700] But I'd like to see Logan get a second shot at it for sure. I think he's been on unfairly judged next to Albon
[39:33.700 -> 39:38.260] I think the press and a lot of the fans are just so flavor of the week on our bond one minute
[39:38.260 -> 39:42.800] He's amazing and then if he has one bad racing on well. He was shit compared to Max was to happen
[39:42.800 -> 39:50.160] You're okay. Do we like this this guy do we not like this? All right, make you Alex is really good and he has I don't know how many years I haven't counted
[39:50.480 -> 39:55.320] Experience on Logan this year Logan's pace has been there when it's needed to be he just needs to finish the job
[39:55.320 -> 40:01.160] But yeah for me, I'd like to see him get another shot because I don't really know else pretty putting that Williams. Mm-hmm
[40:01.680 -> 40:04.440] DeVries maybe but I go bitch. Yeah, I mean
[40:05.160 -> 40:07.880] Felipe's done an interesting thing by going completely
[40:09.920 -> 40:12.720] Uncommitted pretty much throughout his whole single-seater career
[40:12.720 -> 40:16.900] And then at the end of it because when you win f2 or f3 you cannot compete in that championship again
[40:16.900 -> 40:20.460] Yeah, you can't come back then at the end of it decided which one he wanted to
[40:21.280 -> 40:23.280] Tight you know hitches wagon to
[40:23.320 -> 40:25.680] Which I think is actually a really smart idea.
[40:25.680 -> 40:28.520] Cause you end up giving a lot of free labor
[40:28.520 -> 40:30.000] to these F1 teams that sign you.
[40:30.000 -> 40:31.400] And sure, like your first set of overalls,
[40:31.400 -> 40:32.820] you're gonna sleep in them.
[40:32.820 -> 40:36.100] But after three, four weeks, three, four months,
[40:36.100 -> 40:39.760] three, four years, it's pretty tiring, the same routine.
[40:39.760 -> 40:41.600] And you're just living on their simulator for them,
[40:41.600 -> 40:42.440] doing all their development.
[40:42.440 -> 40:43.440] He's gotta be at every race, right?
[40:43.440 -> 40:47.580] He's gotta be fit enough to hop in that car if he needs to be. So that Ferrari last year that was
[40:47.740 -> 40:54.140] Relatively handy. Marcus basically developed that car in the Ferrari sim for them. Really? But gets none of the thanks, doesn't get to drive it
[40:55.320 -> 40:59.540] So Robert and Marcus, to Robert's credit as well, would have put that thing together
[40:59.540 -> 41:04.700] They would have, you know, given a lot of the feedback. There will have been a lot from Charles and Carlos as well
[41:04.700 -> 41:06.080] I have for sure. So same with Mick at Mercedes at the feedback. There will have been a lot from Charles and Carlos as well, for sure.
[41:06.080 -> 41:07.880] So same with Mick at Mercedes at the minute.
[41:07.880 -> 41:09.360] Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[41:09.360 -> 41:13.240] And even Anthony Davidson gets nowhere near as much credit
[41:13.240 -> 41:15.160] as he deserves for developing
[41:15.160 -> 41:17.600] the Mercedes dominance period.
[41:17.600 -> 41:19.320] He was on the sim probably every week,
[41:19.320 -> 41:20.160] every couple of weeks.
[41:20.160 -> 41:21.000] Really?
[41:21.000 -> 41:22.600] And no one really talks about it.
[41:22.600 -> 41:24.400] It's a bit odd, I think.
[41:24.400 -> 41:26.940] How have you found it as a mate with like Clem,
[41:26.940 -> 41:29.040] Marcus racing and all your other friends
[41:29.040 -> 41:29.940] that you know are racers,
[41:29.940 -> 41:31.700] like not only traveling around the world with them
[41:31.700 -> 41:32.700] and going to watch them race,
[41:32.700 -> 41:34.820] but like, I don't know, how'd you find that?
[41:34.820 -> 41:36.860] Cause you go to all of them or at least a lot of them.
[41:36.860 -> 41:38.420] A lot of them, definitely not all of them.
[41:38.420 -> 41:41.940] I don't have that kind of energy, but it's a weird one.
[41:41.940 -> 41:44.620] It's a lot more, it's a lot more fun.
[41:44.620 -> 41:48.540] It's a lot more, and it's a lot less fun at the same time because it's great to be invested
[41:48.540 -> 41:49.760] in it and
[41:49.760 -> 41:54.360] You know, you want your mates to do well, you're watching them. You're watching the moves. They make you sort of critiquing them
[41:54.880 -> 41:56.880] I've got absolutely no right to do so
[41:57.400 -> 42:00.520] Same shit. Everyone does at home, but it just means that little bit more to you
[42:00.520 -> 42:03.680] I think I know from watching other races where I don't have mates
[42:04.880 -> 42:05.480] but bit more to you, I think, well, I know from watching other races where I don't have mates.
[42:05.480 -> 42:10.160] But on the other hand, the sort of the human side of it is a little bit challenging at
[42:10.160 -> 42:11.160] times.
[42:11.160 -> 42:16.080] I'm not super stoked about the idea of Marcus racing on ovals next year, because that is
[42:16.080 -> 42:18.560] the most dangerous thing you can do on four wheels.
[42:18.560 -> 42:21.040] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[42:21.040 -> 42:22.240] Within reason.
[42:22.240 -> 42:28.040] But yeah, and so you want to see your mates do well, but at the same time when you know, you they don't turn from 70 kilometers
[42:28.040 -> 42:29.000] an hour
[42:29.000 -> 42:35.080] That's still it's a very strange concept to go to a racetrack and watch the speed they do and actually
[42:35.560 -> 42:38.480] Almost take the car out of it and think of like they were just levitating
[42:38.480 -> 42:43.320] That's my mates human body that speed which is ridiculous
[42:43.320 -> 42:44.240] Do you think about it?
[42:44.240 -> 42:47.680] Because when I I mean obviously we're not as close of like Clem and Marcus as you obviously
[42:47.680 -> 42:49.740] But I mean we still consider them like a friend of ours, you know
[42:49.740 -> 42:54.820] And you know, I don't think about the fact that they you know, they could have about until it happened
[42:54.820 -> 42:57.280] I don't think about anything necessarily happening to them
[42:57.280 -> 43:02.800] But I've you know through even just what I've been through my own crashes and stuff like that. That's I
[43:03.520 -> 43:06.820] Always hate it when they don't play the replay on TV straight away
[43:06.820 -> 43:08.820] I remember it so
[43:11.940 -> 43:18.180] And that's and that genuinely isn't it's not me just being neutral but that's for anyone I hate to see any
[43:18.780 -> 43:21.620] Crash because I what if I'm insuring somebody who's doing it
[43:22.500 -> 43:27.360] But you really it's just awful. Well when it's when it goes really bad like Grosjean's shunt was
[43:28.720 -> 43:32.700] Still blows my mind. There's a lot of stuff that blows my mind, you know in 2003 when
[43:33.600 -> 43:36.520] Actually Scott Dixon won his first IndyCar championship in Texas
[43:36.520 -> 43:41.440] There was a shunt there that ended that race and it was the highest g-force ever recorded on a human body that was survived
[43:41.720 -> 43:45.680] It was it was the gnarliest crash you can ever set your eyes on and so
[43:46.200 -> 43:48.760] yeah, there's that and you know it exists and
[43:49.760 -> 43:50.920] but
[43:50.920 -> 43:53.180] These guys are more than happy to die in the car
[43:53.600 -> 43:59.600] Really, you know like I've spoken, you know to Marcus about it a little bit and he goes yeah
[43:59.600 -> 44:01.600] Have to die in the car. They don't even really think about it
[44:01.600 -> 44:02.720] They love kind of like the race
[44:02.720 -> 44:03.360] Yeah
[44:03.360 -> 44:05.520] If you're thinking about it, then you're not going anywhere.
[44:05.520 -> 44:07.560] And actually, the mindset of a racing driver
[44:07.560 -> 44:11.080] is actually quite interesting, or any top level performing
[44:11.080 -> 44:11.640] athlete, right?
[44:11.640 -> 44:13.600] So what they want is to win.
[44:13.600 -> 44:16.560] And that's just the only thing on their mind.
[44:16.560 -> 44:18.860] So when I was racing, in hindsight,
[44:18.860 -> 44:21.440] where I probably went wrong with my approach,
[44:21.440 -> 44:23.880] I'd be sitting on the grid or going into a weekend
[44:23.880 -> 44:25.600] and thinking, oh, top 10 would be great. If I can be in the top 10, I'd be really happy with that. going into a weekend and thinking on top ten to be great
[44:29.560 -> 44:30.280] If I can be in the top ten, I'd be really happy with that and there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, but
[44:33.560 -> 44:37.600] You know Marcus was going and being like I'm winning this weekend And he probably wouldn't have even given thought to what if I don't win this weekend?
[44:37.600 -> 44:42.520] It's just well, I'm going to win and when you don't win annoyed if you second devastated
[44:42.520 -> 44:45.000] Yeah, well, you know I was I was lucky enough to be there in
[44:45.480 -> 44:51.320] Hungary last year Marcus qualified second in the group. I've never seen anyone more pissed off in my life. Did Marcus win f2
[44:51.760 -> 44:55.920] No, no, he didn't very much. Not he finished 13th three years in a row
[44:56.840 -> 45:01.320] Brought oh yeah, but he's won in f2 so my he's won races and I remember
[45:02.080 -> 45:06.000] F2 because that's what I first messaged him. That's right, I remember and he messaged me.
[45:06.000 -> 45:08.000] Did I? You know, this weirdo messaged me.
[45:08.000 -> 45:12.000] This weird guy messaged me asking, because the show hadn't even launched really.
[45:12.000 -> 45:16.000] Yeah, yeah. I messaged him like right at the beginning.
[45:16.000 -> 45:18.000] And to be fair to him, he got back to me.
[45:18.000 -> 45:20.000] Yeah. And he said he was up for it and then
[45:20.000 -> 45:22.000] all that time later we finally got it down.
[45:22.000 -> 45:24.000] I thought Marcus Armstrong was an astronaut.
[45:24.000 -> 45:25.400] That's how much I knew back in the day.
[45:25.400 -> 45:26.240] Yeah.
[45:26.240 -> 45:28.280] But he's the third most famous Armstrong to ever live.
[45:28.280 -> 45:29.100] Wow.
[45:29.100 -> 45:29.940] Yeah.
[45:29.940 -> 45:30.780] Do you think there was a part of him that,
[45:30.780 -> 45:32.000] and again, I should be asking him this.
[45:32.000 -> 45:33.320] So maybe when he comes on, he can answer it.
[45:33.320 -> 45:35.520] But do you think there was a part of him that
[45:36.520 -> 45:38.600] was bummed that he wasn't going to F1
[45:38.600 -> 45:40.880] and he was going to IndyCar or not?
[45:40.880 -> 45:43.320] How would an F2 driver see that, do you think?
[45:43.320 -> 45:46.000] Yeah, I'd say in most instances, yes.
[45:46.000 -> 45:50.240] There's an element of a tail between your legs,
[45:50.240 -> 45:52.480] but getting into Formula 1,
[45:52.480 -> 45:54.640] no one's really blaming people for not cracking F1 anymore
[45:54.640 -> 45:56.200] because it is that tight.
[45:56.200 -> 45:59.640] But for Marcus's specific situation,
[46:00.920 -> 46:04.200] going from Formula 2 to Chip Ganassi
[46:04.200 -> 46:05.680] to be
[46:11.760 -> 46:12.400] Racing alongside Scott Dixon for us is like as Kiwis who love motorsport. I
[46:15.200 -> 46:15.800] Mean that's like getting the call-up to be
[46:21.260 -> 46:25.480] You know the second striker next to Harry Kane or whatever if you're a massive football fan Or you know you're gonna be one of Brady's receivers in your first year playing in the NFL
[46:25.480 -> 46:27.480] That's what it's like for us. So I
[46:28.280 -> 46:32.120] Mean it's yeah, so that's the coolest way that you can and then he goes
[46:34.120 -> 46:36.120] Without doing the ovals
[46:36.440 -> 46:42.400] Yeah, I mean he's done a really good job this year, and I'm super proud of him, but
[46:43.040 -> 46:48.420] Yeah, I mean there's certain people who doubted him going into the year, but I've with marks has a good car. He's
[46:50.080 -> 46:52.000] Way up there. I
[46:52.000 -> 46:54.240] Personally think he probably struggles a little bit in a mediocre
[46:54.720 -> 47:00.760] Car like this drivers like Yuri Vips is probably one of them Christian long guards another who are really good at
[47:01.400 -> 47:03.860] Extracting that result from a pretty mid car
[47:04.560 -> 47:06.060] But if they were both in
[47:06.060 -> 47:09.360] a quick car I'd probably put Marcus right there with them if not quicker
[47:09.360 -> 47:15.200] what is Yuri doing at the minute? so he raced the last two rounds of the IndyCar
[47:15.200 -> 47:18.200] Championship at Portland and Laguna Seca so he is right I didn't know that he was
[47:18.200 -> 47:21.680] in IndyCar at the moment. yeah so he's been sniffing around the Ray Hall team pretty much all
[47:21.680 -> 47:29.760] season and finally got a shot for the last couple of races of the year. I did a really good job and then yeah
[47:29.760 -> 47:33.840] IndyCar silly season we'll take care of the rest and see what he does next year
[47:33.840 -> 47:38.600] same as a lot of other guys but there's a few guys on longer deals now in IndyCar
[47:38.600 -> 47:42.480] so that's also going to become a difficult Avenue to crack so I think and
[47:42.480 -> 47:46.920] we actually talked to James Hinchcliffe about this a little bit and maybe there's something happening, but
[47:47.760 -> 47:52.860] There's an appetite out there for another top-level single-seater racecar series
[47:52.860 -> 47:55.660] I think and it's it's not formally
[47:55.660 -> 48:00.180] I think formula is a beast of its own and it's great and the race craft is awesome
[48:00.180 -> 48:04.880] And I will always watch two or three races a year, but you know it is that still
[48:05.600 -> 48:10.360] It's not gonna push the buttons of all the fans so I think there's this room for
[48:10.360 -> 48:15.040] another series it's just gonna take about a hundred million euros and a lot
[48:15.040 -> 48:20.480] of work so yeah see how we go well you come top on the car in leaderboard and
[48:20.480 -> 48:28.600] we have this leaderboard right here you have been on the sim before when you've come round. Oh why did you say that?
[48:28.600 -> 48:30.600] That was really rude under the bus wasn't it?
[48:30.600 -> 48:35.600] It was a drunken night so you can't count that. People know that we're friends now as well. I was hoping to get away with that.
[48:35.600 -> 48:39.600] How dare you be friends with the Pitstop boys, weird guys.
[48:39.600 -> 48:43.880] Let's get you on there let's get a time you can have a couple of practice laps and then we'll get
[48:43.880 -> 48:47.920] three laps around Austria we're still on the old game, we haven't upgraded to the
[48:47.920 -> 48:51.400] new F1 game. Good, no no, it's fine. It has to be fair and the same for everyone. I must
[48:51.400 -> 48:56.200] say the laps you were putting in before, on that night, they weren't the best. No. You
[48:56.200 -> 49:00.280] kind of created your own line around a lot of the corners, I must say. It was kind of
[49:00.280 -> 49:05.360] like F1 and rally mixed together. Improvise, adapt, overcome. But it was good, it was nice.
[49:05.360 -> 49:06.960] So, let's see what we can do.
[49:06.960 -> 49:11.040] James Harvey Blair on his practice laps on the F1 game.
[49:11.040 -> 49:12.040] That was actually quite good.
[49:12.040 -> 49:13.040] Can I take that corner?
[49:13.040 -> 49:14.040] Can I just isolate that?
[49:14.040 -> 49:15.040] We just go where you want to do separate bits.
[49:15.040 -> 49:16.040] Yeah, do like a theory lap or something.
[49:16.040 -> 49:17.040] Put it all together.
[49:17.040 -> 49:22.160] Like a sort of Beatles best of, you know.
[49:22.160 -> 49:25.920] And here is James Harvey Blair around the final turn at
[49:25.920 -> 49:31.560] Austria. Over the track limits. Let's see what he's done guys. James. Yes. You've just
[49:31.560 -> 49:35.380] done your sim lap all right you were quick in the car. Yeah. Do you think you're
[49:35.380 -> 49:38.360] as quick in the sim as you were in the car? Absolutely not. Realistically where
[49:38.360 -> 49:41.840] roughly do you think you may have come? Bottom. 100% it's about there's no way I
[49:41.840 -> 49:47.440] cracked a 109. Really? You think you're back in fucking New Zealand Yeah, that may as well be that close to upside down
[49:50.840 -> 49:52.840] Actually, you should that'd be quite funny well
[49:53.640 -> 49:54.960] You're not
[49:54.960 -> 50:00.680] You know, you're not faster than Gabby bought a letter which is fair enough. That's for you to be honest
[50:00.680 -> 50:02.680] I could have told you that when I arrived
[50:03.440 -> 50:08.840] I could have gone out on a bit of a whim and said I don't think I'm as fast as Gabriel
[50:08.840 -> 50:09.840] Bortoletto.
[50:09.840 -> 50:16.880] Well I can say mate that you have beaten Jake Boys which is nice.
[50:16.880 -> 50:18.560] Genuinely wasn't expecting that.
[50:18.560 -> 50:19.560] Genuinely wasn't expecting that.
[50:19.560 -> 50:20.560] I'm not happy about that.
[50:20.560 -> 50:26.240] I mean, you know, look, I don't play much PlayStation. I don't get to drive much.
[50:26.240 -> 50:30.680] This is not a fucking game, right? This is a sim. This is a real-life thing.
[50:30.680 -> 50:31.920] Oh, sorry, is it Xbox?
[50:31.920 -> 50:40.840] This is actually what... James Harvey Blair, you did the pit stop fastest lap in a 1.07.
[50:40.840 -> 50:41.520] Okay.
[50:41.520 -> 50:42.920] Point...
[50:42.920 -> 50:44.400] 999?
[50:44.400 -> 50:48.640] 5.71. Fuck, I'm taking one fuck I'm so actually about me
[50:48.640 -> 50:55.560] you've been in fact then you just below you just like Mikey Brown from Master
[50:55.560 -> 50:59.240] Martin and he actually races cars okay well there you go so that's something
[50:59.240 -> 51:06.000] mate that's uh I like that I've been John well no I've beaten Johnny Herbert. A real F1 driver.
[51:06.000 -> 51:08.000] That's what everyone who beats Johnny Herbert says.
[51:08.000 -> 51:12.000] To be fair, did you just get him down here for that kind of geriatric abuse?
[51:12.000 -> 51:13.000] No.
[51:13.000 -> 51:15.000] So everyone can be like, alright.
[51:15.000 -> 51:18.000] Mate, that's decent. That's actually alright. It's realistically where you probably should have come.
[51:18.000 -> 51:22.000] Look at who you've got there, right. So you've got Benny V up top, shock of the world.
[51:22.000 -> 51:24.000] Can you fucking believe that, by the way?
[51:24.000 -> 51:25.520] No. You've got Benny V up top shock of the world. I can believe that by the way. No
[51:32.120 -> 51:32.840] PSG and then just like no surprises for that next for the next at a quadrant if you will and
[51:33.920 -> 51:35.920] then Gallagher cat amongst the pigeons
[51:36.440 -> 51:41.520] The head of border let on Freddy Hunt. What was he like? Yeah, I watched his episode with you guys really interesting
[51:41.800 -> 51:44.640] Sweetheart just loves a lot. Yeah, just massive
[51:43.500 -> 51:48.020] with you guys. He was really interesting. Sweetheart. Just loves the love. The loveliest guy. Just massive agriculture enthusiast. Really good guy. He actually went out and
[51:48.020 -> 51:52.300] raced a couple of weeks after we had him on. Unfortunately had a crash. Oh dear. Does he
[51:52.300 -> 51:55.500] need insurance? Do you know what? He actually might. Give him my card. He actually might.
[51:55.500 -> 51:58.660] I'll send you his number. Did it cut to him on the side of the track didn't it? Yeah he's
[51:58.660 -> 52:04.860] rolling a cigarette. Proper. Love that. Sponsors love it. But mate that's mega. That's a decent
[52:04.860 -> 52:07.460] lap. So you're not bottom. No to be honest
[52:07.460 -> 52:11.280] That is what I was afraid of. I was I was saying I can't top one sheet
[52:11.280 -> 52:16.360] So where are you? So one two, three, four, five six, seven eight nine ten. You didn't make the top ten mate. Yeah
[52:17.960 -> 52:21.200] Honest I think there's there's actually a badge of pride I can take with that because
[52:22.040 -> 52:26.320] The the in real life fellas are not big fans of the some guys I can take with that because the in real life fellas are not big fans
[52:26.320 -> 52:31.440] of the sim guys I can tell you that firsthand their reputation is is not
[52:31.440 -> 52:35.600] good really in the real life motor racing community. But Max quite likes it though
[52:35.600 -> 52:38.720] he's got his own sim. So they all do their own sim work and stuff but
[52:38.720 -> 52:43.960] it's like if they're at certain driver academies some of them have I think the
[52:43.960 -> 52:45.520] teams have sim teams now as well
[52:45.520 -> 52:49.000] And whenever they have to do training together all of the guys in the actual cars like off
[52:49.240 -> 52:53.280] Is that because all the same guys think they're just so much quicker and I'm better than you
[52:53.280 -> 52:57.600] But maybe they couldn't do it in a car. Yes, so you can fit in a fucking car mate little
[52:59.600 -> 53:03.680] Completely different as well like the people actually driving the car like risking their lives every time they go out
[53:03.680 -> 53:07.880] Yeah, well, that's the difference. I think that's why there's that margin of separation
[53:07.880 -> 53:09.880] between them, you're not fucking...
[53:09.880 -> 53:11.080] Yeah, that's jokes.
[53:11.080 -> 53:14.600] Well mate, thanks for coming down, I do have one last question for you, I've got two questions
[53:14.600 -> 53:15.600] for you.
[53:15.600 -> 53:16.880] Okay, three if you like.
[53:16.880 -> 53:21.040] What's a night out like, if you're your insurance broker, what's a night out like with...
[53:21.040 -> 53:22.840] If you're an insurance broker...
[53:22.840 -> 53:24.320] Well with these drivers.
[53:24.320 -> 53:26.600] Yeah, so the content a constant content of areas in America
[53:26.600 -> 53:30.600] It's a lot cheaper because usually you're in like one of the five estates
[53:30.600 -> 53:34.740] And we just go to a bar like Nashville was great because it was just a bar
[53:34.800 -> 53:40.880] Yeah, nice. We did have a small section right but it wasn't crazy. You had your own little set like cool enough
[53:40.880 -> 53:44.560] Yeah, cuz it's somebody else organized. I wasn't involved. I was just there having a good time
[53:43.800 -> 53:47.860] that called off? Yeah because somebody else organized it, I wasn't involved I was just there having a good time. But if you go out in Europe and more specifically
[53:47.860 -> 53:55.540] London with any of the sort of F1 to 3 guys, be prepared for a frightening, one
[53:55.540 -> 54:00.480] of two things, a frightening bill or it's completely free because somebody's so
[54:00.480 -> 54:04.040] rich that they've just paid for everything. And that's something that's
[54:04.040 -> 54:07.000] often forgotten about Formula 2 and even Formula 1 drivers.
[54:07.000 -> 54:10.000] I spoke about it a little bit the other day, but they're all rich kids.
[54:10.000 -> 54:15.000] There's some exceptions, but let's not forget they are exceptions.
[54:15.000 -> 54:19.000] Isn't there an etiquette though, if F2 go out with F1, that the F1 drivers have to pick the bill up?
[54:19.000 -> 54:27.280] Do you know what? There used to be, I feel, but in my own experience, which is very limited, I should keep that in mind.
[54:27.280 -> 54:28.120] Yeah, that's gone out the window recently.
[54:28.120 -> 54:30.160] I was gonna say, if you go out with an F1 driver,
[54:30.160 -> 54:31.000] they're paying for it.
[54:31.000 -> 54:31.840] If you go out with an F2 driver,
[54:31.840 -> 54:32.660] their mom and dad's paying for it.
[54:32.660 -> 54:35.560] Well, actually, yeah, so after Silverstone,
[54:35.560 -> 54:36.400] we were in an after party
[54:36.400 -> 54:39.080] and there was an F1 driver in the corner.
[54:39.080 -> 54:39.920] I know who it was.
[54:39.920 -> 54:40.740] And yeah.
[54:40.740 -> 54:41.580] I saw the video.
[54:41.580 -> 54:42.400] I saw the video.
[54:42.400 -> 54:43.240] We all know who it was.
[54:43.240 -> 54:45.200] And he just paid for his own table.
[54:45.200 -> 54:50.480] It was just like, yeah sweet. Card machine comes out on our table and I'm with Novolac, a couple of,
[54:50.480 -> 54:57.200] I'm with Frankie, Juan's photographer. Juan wasn't there, sorry, I probably shouldn't.
[54:57.760 -> 54:58.480] We can blame that.
[55:02.640 -> 55:09.360] And then anyway, these guys. I'll have another glass of wine. These guys in waistcoats usually come out with a card machine and they
[55:09.360 -> 55:13.640] actually just start prodding you with it and you're just like, Oh fuck.
[55:13.640 -> 55:14.640] Is it that time?
[55:14.640 -> 55:15.640] Yeah.
[55:15.640 -> 55:16.640] Yeah.
[55:16.640 -> 55:17.640] What is it?
[55:17.640 -> 55:18.640] Like, and then bear in mind, like the total bill for the table, what is it?
[55:18.640 -> 55:21.240] Like one and a half, 2000 and they'll be like three and a half thousand.
[55:21.240 -> 55:23.720] You're just like, Oh, kill me.
[55:23.720 -> 55:27.360] And then you turn around and you get all your mates have gone.
[55:27.360 -> 55:29.560] You're just like, oh, hey, where's Novalax?
[55:29.560 -> 55:34.560] And then I'll be like, oh, he paid and left.
[55:34.600 -> 55:36.200] And we're like, of course he did.
[55:38.040 -> 55:39.560] And so yeah, you're just left out to cut
[55:39.560 -> 55:41.960] this horrendous bill between you and your real mates
[55:41.960 -> 55:43.520] who have actually stuck around.
[55:44.360 -> 55:48.680] But so if you are with an F1 driver, it it's fantastic there'll be all sorts of shit going on
[55:48.680 -> 55:53.040] and they'll pay for it at the end if you are with the f2 or f3 drivers usually it's
[55:53.040 -> 55:58.760] like the saddest bunch of young adults just stood around trying to figure out how
[55:58.760 -> 56:01.960] they're gonna cut up this massive bill for a bottle of vodka that they quite
[56:01.960 -> 56:04.640] frankly could have bought down at Sainsbury's for about £45
[56:04.640 -> 56:06.880] But they wanted the sparkler for the extra 15 grand 100% so that's usually how they operate Bill for a bottle of vodka that they quite frankly could have bought down at Sainsbury's for a
[56:12.760 -> 56:15.160] 100% so that's usually how they operate. Have you cleared the bill at dinner when we went to dinner? I regret that
[56:21.340 -> 56:22.720] Yeah, I mean yeah sometimes to sort of keep up the appearance that I'm operating on their level
[56:30.600 -> 56:33.920] Cheap dinner going I'll go and pay the bill and be like, got it guys. Yeah, always buy breakfast as well. And that applies on tour anywhere. Like if you buy breakfast, that's going to be the cheapest meal of the
[56:33.920 -> 56:38.040] day. Likely no booze, uh, smallest amounts of food, cheapest food. And that gives you
[56:38.040 -> 56:41.760] an out for the rest of the day. Oh, well you got breakfast, so I'll get this or I'll get
[56:41.760 -> 56:44.680] in just right there. I'll get that three grand bottle of champagne. Don't worry about it.
[56:44.680 -> 56:47.760] Yeah. You, you've got to just nuzzle yourself in there so I got breakfast
[56:47.760 -> 56:53.160] yeah that's a good trick all right final question what does the future hold for
[56:53.160 -> 56:57.600] James Harvey Blair screaming meals you know insurance anything else anything
[56:57.600 -> 57:03.120] that you want to do well there's a lot of stuff I want to do both as far as
[57:03.120 -> 57:08.180] insurance and screaming meals what that actually looks like. We'll probably know a lot more about it over the next year
[57:10.000 -> 57:11.040] Big
[57:11.040 -> 57:15.880] It's time a transition sort of for you know a large number of us
[57:15.880 -> 57:20.600] You know Rory's looking to do some different stuff Marcus is obviously now set up in America
[57:20.920 -> 57:24.040] Clam looks like he's going to be stepping away from f2 and into something different
[57:24.680 -> 57:28.400] And so and I'm just trucking along steering the steering the
[57:28.400 -> 57:32.800] ship making sure that nobody's getting arrested or cancelled and you were very
[57:32.800 -> 57:38.080] good at that last night I felt and basically yeah no it's just more of the
[57:38.080 -> 57:43.700] same but more of the same if that makes sense that sound it was very um million
[57:43.700 -> 57:46.260] dollar listing of me that that little snippet clip that
[57:46.260 -> 57:48.260] I want to really close more of the same but more
[57:50.400 -> 57:55.320] Done we've been speaking about for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's been a pleasure gentlemen. Yeah
[57:55.320 -> 57:59.080] I hope you enjoyed the wine. It looks like you didn't it was fine as a sipper
[57:59.080 -> 58:03.360] But again, look it comes back to that fateful day and I believe it was March
[58:03.360 -> 58:07.840] You've just got a sort of quantity control, you you know you don't need to drink three bottles of
[58:07.840 -> 58:13.680] wine on a podcast yeah yeah or name the people that you don't need to do anything
[58:13.680 -> 58:19.120] that's true we're waffling now thank you so much for coming to the podcast
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