JAKE HUGHES is driving for the PITSTOP F4 Team!

Welcome back to the PITSTOP PODCAST! We've finally reached Episode 50! what a Milestone.. and what better way to celebrate than having another epic guest with us today. As you may have already guessed by now, we're joined by Formula 2 driver and Formula E reserve driver JAKE HUGHES! It was so cool to sit down with Jake and talk about his career, he brushed up our knowledge about Formula E, and we also talk in-depth about the huge crash he had at Monaco this year! Thanks to Jake for being our second guest of the Formula 1 Summer Break, it was great. Many more to come! Join us every Monday & Thursday for Q&As, guests, race predictions, and a whole load of laughter. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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**Introduction of the Guest: Jake Hughes**

* Jake Hughes, a Formula 2 (F2) driver and reserve driver for Mercedes in Formula E, joins the podcast as a special guest.
* Hughes shares his excitement about being on the podcast and acknowledges the growing popularity of the show.

**Formula E: An Overview**

* Hughes explains the unique format of Formula E races, which feature two groups of 11 drivers competing in qualifying rounds.
* The top four drivers from each group advance to the quarterfinals, followed by semifinals and a final race to determine the winner.
* Unlike traditional race tracks, Formula E circuits are often set up in city centers, making overtaking more challenging due to limited straightaways.
* Hughes emphasizes the importance of energy management and the use of a regen paddle to recover energy during braking in Formula E.

**Challenges and Opportunities in Formula E**

* Hughes discusses the difficulties of overtaking in Formula E due to the shorter straightaways and the emphasis on energy conservation.
* He highlights the unpredictability and excitement of Formula E races, particularly the recent race in London, which featured several incidents and crashes.
* Hughes expresses his optimism about the future of Formula E and believes that the sport has the potential to attract a wider audience.

**Balancing F2 and Formula E Commitments**

* Hughes explains that he is able to balance his F2 and Formula E commitments due to the flexible schedule and the support of the Mercedes team.
* He acknowledges the financial challenges of being a driver in junior formulas and emphasizes the importance of securing sponsorship and funding.
* Hughes reveals that he is open to exploring opportunities in other racing series, such as GT racing, in the future.

**The Importance of Financial Support in Junior Formulas**

* Hughes sheds light on the financial realities of junior formulas, where drivers often have to bring their own funding to secure a seat.
* He explains that the investment in junior formulas is typically made with the goal of eventually reaching Formula 1.
* Hughes acknowledges that not all drivers have equal financial capabilities and that some may struggle to raise the necessary funds.

**The Role of References and Driving Styles in Racing**

* Hughes discusses the significance of references, such as braking boards and landmarks, in helping drivers navigate the track.
* He emphasizes the importance of adapting to changing conditions and grip levels, which can affect the effectiveness of certain driving styles.
* Hughes believes that driving styles have become more similar in recent years due to the limitations of the Pirelli tires.

**Differences Between Formula 2 and Formula E Cars**

* Hughes highlights the weight difference between Formula 2 and Formula E cars, with Formula E cars being heavier due to the battery.
* He anticipates that the next generation of Formula E cars, known as Gen 3, will be lighter and more efficient.
* Hughes also notes the differences in power delivery between the two types of cars, with Formula E cars having instant torque due to their electric motors.

**Conclusion**

* The podcast concludes with Hughes expressing his enthusiasm for the upcoming Formula E race in London and his hopes for a successful season.
* He encourages listeners to attend the race and experience the unique atmosphere of Formula E. **Race Strategy and Tire Management in Formula 2 and Formula E**

* **Race Strategies:**
* **Plan A:** Pit early on lap 7 on the prime (harder) tire for a longer stint.
* **Plan B:** Extend the stint on the soft tire if it's performing well, potentially pitting around lap 12.
* Teams communicate these plans to drivers via radio, adjusting based on tire performance and race conditions.

* **Tire Management:**
* Tire life and degradation play a crucial role in race strategy.
* Soft tires offer more grip but degrade quickly, requiring careful management to avoid losing performance.
* Overcuts and undercuts are strategies used to gain an advantage by pitting at different times compared to competitors.
* In Formula 2, the lack of tire warmers makes tire management even more critical, as drivers must warm up the tires carefully to avoid losing grip.

**Formula E Specifics:**

* **Pit Stops:** Pit stops are not allowed during Formula E races. If a driver enters the pit lane, their race is automatically finished.
* **Race Format:** Formula E races are timed events rather than lap races. The number of laps completed depends on the pace of the race and the remaining battery life of the cars.

**Additional Insights:**

* Formula E cars use 18-inch tires, while Formula 2 cars have been using them since 2020.
* The 18-inch tires provide strong longitudinal grip for braking and acceleration but are weaker in combined braking and turning scenarios, leading to potential lockups and rear instability.
* The lack of tire blankets in Formula 1 from next year will significantly impact race strategies and tire management, as drivers will need to be cautious during the outlap to avoid overheating the tires. # Formula E: A Thriving Electric Racing Series

## Navigating the Complexities of Energy Management

- Formula E races present a unique challenge for drivers due to the limited energy available in the batteries.
- Drivers must carefully manage their energy usage throughout the race to avoid running out of power.
- This involves planning the use of attack mode, a feature that provides a temporary power boost, and strategically adjusting the car's energy management settings.
- Effective energy management is crucial for success in Formula E, requiring drivers to strike a balance between speed and conservation.

## Attack Mode: A Game-Changing Strategy

- Attack mode is a unique feature in Formula E that allows drivers to gain a temporary power boost.
- To activate attack mode, drivers must drive through a designated area on the track, triggering a boost that lasts for a few minutes.
- The strategic use of attack mode can be pivotal in overtaking opponents and gaining an advantage in the race.
- Drivers must carefully consider when and where to activate attack mode, as it can affect their overall energy management strategy.

## The Importance of Team Collaboration

- Formula E teams play a vital role in supporting drivers and ensuring their success.
- Engineers monitor the car's energy usage and provide real-time guidance to drivers on how to manage their power.
- The team also makes strategic decisions, such as when to activate attack mode, based on race data and telemetry.
- Effective communication and collaboration between drivers and their teams are essential for achieving optimal performance.

## The Growing Popularity of Formula E

- Formula E has experienced significant growth in recent years, attracting a global audience and gaining recognition as a legitimate motorsport.
- The series has expanded to include new cities and countries, showcasing the sport's versatility and appeal to diverse fan bases.
- The unique format, innovative technology, and focus on sustainability have contributed to Formula E's growing popularity.

## Jake Hughes' Journey to Formula E

- Jake Hughes, a promising young driver, shares his experiences and aspirations in the world of Formula E.
- Despite the challenges he faces as a rookie, Hughes remains determined to prove his worth and secure a spot in the championship.
- He highlights the importance of hard work, dedication, and the support of his team in achieving his goals.
- Hughes expresses his excitement about the future of Formula E and the opportunities it presents for drivers like him.

## The Future of Formula E: Electrifying Possibilities

- The podcast concludes with a discussion about the future of Formula E and its potential for further growth and innovation.
- The hosts speculate on the possibility of Formula E becoming a fully electric series, mirroring the global trend towards sustainable energy.
- They also touch upon the potential for Formula E to rival Formula One in terms of popularity and prestige.
- The overall message is one of optimism and anticipation for the continued evolution and success of Formula E. **Episode Overview: Discussing the Potential of TikTok for Content Creators**

In this episode of the podcast, hosts Jake Boys and Fabio Bocca engage in a captivating conversation centered around the potential of TikTok as a platform for content creators. They delve into various aspects of TikTok, exploring its unique features, growth strategies, and the impact it can have on aspiring content creators.

**Key Points:**

* **TikTok's Algorithm and Growth Opportunities:**
* TikTok's algorithm is designed to push content to a wider audience, making it an ideal platform for content creators to grow their following.
* Consistency in content creation is crucial for growth on TikTok, as the algorithm favors creators who regularly post engaging content.

* **Niche Content and Behind-the-Scenes Videos:**
* Creating niche content that caters to a specific audience can be a successful strategy on TikTok, as it allows creators to connect with a targeted and engaged community.
* Behind-the-scenes videos offer a unique opportunity for creators to share exclusive content with their audience, fostering a sense of connection and authenticity.

* **Authenticity and Engagement:**
* Authenticity is highly valued on TikTok, and creators who are genuine and relatable tend to resonate with audiences more effectively.
* Engaging with viewers through comments, replies, and live streams helps creators build a strong community and foster loyalty among their followers.

* **Collaboration and Cross-Promotion:**
* Collaborating with other creators can help expand reach and introduce content to new audiences.
* Cross-promoting content across different social media platforms can further amplify reach and engagement.

* **Monetization and Brand Partnerships:**
* TikTok offers various monetization options for creators, including brand partnerships, sponsored content, and the TikTok Creator Fund.
* Building a strong and engaged following can open doors to lucrative brand partnerships and sponsorship opportunities.

**Overall Message:**

TikTok presents a significant opportunity for content creators to grow their audience, connect with their viewers, and potentially monetize their content. By embracing the platform's unique features, creating engaging and authentic content, and utilizing effective growth strategies, creators can leverage TikTok to achieve success and build a thriving online community.

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[01:00.680 -> 01:04.320] When you watch it back, you see me, I've destroyed the car at this point. I've had
[01:04.320 -> 01:05.240] the big crash in the wall
[01:05.240 -> 01:06.800] and the car had like side onto the camera
[01:06.800 -> 01:09.680] coming into the second part of the swimming pool
[01:09.680 -> 01:11.600] and I'm trying to correct it.
[01:11.600 -> 01:13.640] So you sort of see like, I'm still in the mindset.
[01:13.640 -> 01:14.480] Yeah, yeah.
[01:14.480 -> 01:16.880] Like I can save it, but it's just like,
[01:16.880 -> 01:18.640] I've like destroyed the car.
[01:18.640 -> 01:20.280] Car's turned to dust and you're like.
[01:20.280 -> 01:22.240] Like a couple of hundred grand's worth of damage
[01:22.240 -> 01:32.080] and there's me thinking I could still save it. ♪♪♪
[01:32.080 -> 01:35.480] Welcome back to the Pit Stop podcast.
[01:35.480 -> 01:38.080] Ladies and gentlemen, we have another special guest today.
[01:38.080 -> 01:39.680] We do indeed.
[01:39.680 -> 01:41.480] He has come over the road.
[01:41.480 -> 01:42.680] He's been at Formula E.
[01:42.680 -> 01:44.280] Yeah, that was a long journey.
[01:44.280 -> 01:46.360] That was the longest journey ever.
[01:46.360 -> 01:47.680] It's Mr. Jake Hughes.
[01:47.680 -> 01:49.200] Pleasure to be here.
[01:49.200 -> 01:50.880] Thank you very much for joining us, man.
[01:50.880 -> 01:52.200] I feel like I've made it.
[01:52.200 -> 01:53.200] I feel like I've made it.
[01:53.200 -> 01:54.680] I'm finally on the Pit Stop podcast.
[01:54.680 -> 01:55.520] It's so funny, man.
[01:55.520 -> 01:57.200] That feels like we've made it to hear someone say that.
[01:57.200 -> 01:59.240] Yeah, that feels like we've made it.
[01:59.240 -> 02:00.360] But you're growing quickly, you know?
[02:00.360 -> 02:02.120] Like, a lot of people know about you.
[02:02.120 -> 02:03.120] Who knows about us?
[02:03.120 -> 02:04.640] Well, various racing drivers I've spoke to.
[02:04.640 -> 02:06.520] Like, I've just spoke to some of the engineers,
[02:06.520 -> 02:07.560] not engineers, but some of the people
[02:07.560 -> 02:09.440] that work in the media side of Mercedes.
[02:09.440 -> 02:11.360] And like, have you ever heard of the Pit Stop podcast?
[02:11.360 -> 02:12.440] Oh yeah, I know that one, yeah.
[02:12.440 -> 02:13.280] Yes.
[02:13.280 -> 02:14.120] Oh, yes.
[02:14.120 -> 02:14.940] This is what we need to hear.
[02:14.940 -> 02:16.720] This is what we want to ask Will as well,
[02:16.720 -> 02:18.880] because we were in the paddock at Silverstone
[02:18.880 -> 02:20.040] and we were walking past Will
[02:20.040 -> 02:21.520] and obviously Will's coming on the podcast.
[02:21.520 -> 02:22.880] We're happy to see him.
[02:22.880 -> 02:25.360] And I want to ask Will who talks about us as well.
[02:25.360 -> 02:27.720] We're just curious to know who's heard it.
[02:27.720 -> 02:29.520] I think you're growing faster than you realize.
[02:29.520 -> 02:30.360] Wow.
[02:30.360 -> 02:31.180] This is good.
[02:31.180 -> 02:32.020] This is all good news.
[02:32.020 -> 02:32.860] I'm just growing your ego now.
[02:32.860 -> 02:34.840] Just coming on mate.
[02:34.840 -> 02:35.840] I'll go now.
[02:35.840 -> 02:36.680] I'll go now.
[02:36.680 -> 02:37.500] Yeah.
[02:37.500 -> 02:40.600] Just need the confidence boost.
[02:40.600 -> 02:42.240] You've come from literally over the road.
[02:42.240 -> 02:43.400] You've been at the Formula E.
[02:43.400 -> 02:44.240] Yeah, yeah.
[02:44.240 -> 02:46.080] I mean, that's why I dress the elephant in the room.
[02:46.080 -> 02:48.320] I'm dressed like a full kit Billy.
[02:48.320 -> 02:49.160] That's usually us.
[02:49.160 -> 02:50.200] Yeah.
[02:50.200 -> 02:52.320] So that's why I'm in this kit of Formula E this weekend
[02:52.320 -> 02:55.280] at the XL, which is literally around the corner, obviously.
[02:55.280 -> 02:57.000] So yeah, we just had first race today.
[02:57.000 -> 02:57.960] It's a Saturday.
[02:57.960 -> 02:59.140] I don't know if I can say when we're filming,
[02:59.140 -> 03:01.040] but yeah, it's after the first race on Saturday,
[03:01.040 -> 03:03.620] which thankfully we had a good result and got second.
[03:03.620 -> 03:07.520] And well, we were second and third on the road but then got a penalty with Nick
[03:07.520 -> 03:10.800] three so we're second and sixth now but it's still a good result. We can clear up
[03:10.800 -> 03:14.520] to make it easier for everyone so you are an F2 driver as well? Yeah. Well that's
[03:14.520 -> 03:17.800] how we know you we've watched you on TV we're gonna ask you many questions about
[03:17.800 -> 03:22.520] that but this weekend you're not there. Yeah. But you're here with us which is
[03:22.520 -> 03:26.280] lovely. Yeah it was so mean, anyone that already knows
[03:26.280 -> 03:28.320] who I am, probably not that many, but to be honest,
[03:28.320 -> 03:29.160] but if they do.
[03:29.160 -> 03:29.980] We know who you are.
[03:29.980 -> 03:32.600] Yeah, exactly, that's all I needed to know.
[03:32.600 -> 03:35.560] But yeah, so I tested positive about two and a half weeks
[03:35.560 -> 03:38.200] ago, so I was supposed to, they had a race two weeks ago
[03:38.200 -> 03:39.720] in New York, Formula E, I was supposed to be there,
[03:39.720 -> 03:42.440] couldn't go to that, and then it was clear
[03:42.440 -> 03:44.200] that I wasn't going to be able to race in Paul Ricard
[03:44.200 -> 03:46.520] because of the positive case.
[03:46.520 -> 03:49.840] Tested negative probably about 10 days ago now,
[03:49.840 -> 03:51.560] or weeks, 10 days ago.
[03:51.560 -> 03:52.880] But to be honest, I haven't felt right
[03:52.880 -> 03:54.360] until about two or three days ago.
[03:54.360 -> 03:55.200] Yeah, fair.
[03:55.200 -> 03:56.960] So definitely wasn't going to be good enough.
[03:56.960 -> 03:58.600] I didn't feel like at the time I would be good enough
[03:58.600 -> 03:59.920] to race in Budapest.
[03:59.920 -> 04:02.240] That being said, I've sort of cleared up quite well
[04:02.240 -> 04:03.080] in the last few days.
[04:03.080 -> 04:05.560] So we made the late decision to be on hand
[04:05.560 -> 04:07.180] as my normal role as a reserve driver here.
[04:07.180 -> 04:09.980] So up until about Wednesday night, Thursday morning,
[04:09.980 -> 04:12.040] I wasn't actually going to be here.
[04:12.040 -> 04:13.340] So yeah, there was a late call to be here,
[04:13.340 -> 04:15.720] but now I'm here, I'm able to be here.
[04:15.720 -> 04:16.560] Yeah.
[04:16.560 -> 04:17.640] And you're on a pissed off podcast.
[04:17.640 -> 04:20.040] It works out pretty much in your favor, I'd say.
[04:20.040 -> 04:21.800] Yeah, I did it on purpose.
[04:21.800 -> 04:25.280] I'm just going to say straight off the bat,
[04:25.280 -> 04:28.200] like you got, you're the one who's been talking to Jake.
[04:28.200 -> 04:30.340] So I'm gonna just play the idiot here
[04:30.340 -> 04:32.040] and I'm gonna say I know nothing.
[04:32.040 -> 04:33.760] So I'm gonna just ask all the questions
[04:33.760 -> 04:35.880] for like anyone in the audience who may not know.
[04:35.880 -> 04:36.920] That's what we do on Pissed Off Podcast,
[04:36.920 -> 04:37.760] we gotta ask the idiotic questions.
[04:37.760 -> 04:39.840] Of course, of course, but I might just be like,
[04:39.840 -> 04:41.080] what do you drive?
[04:41.080 -> 04:42.280] Is it a motorbike or a car?
[04:42.280 -> 04:43.120] No, it's a car, mate.
[04:43.120 -> 04:43.960] Okay, this is good.
[04:43.960 -> 04:44.960] Are you new to it all then?
[04:44.960 -> 04:45.000] Yeah, well, we're both new, but I don't know, I just feel like sometimes I might just ask questions What do you drive? Is it a motorbike or a car? It's a car, mate. Okay. Are you new to it all then?
[04:45.000 -> 04:47.500] Yeah, well, we're both new, but I don't know.
[04:47.500 -> 04:50.500] I just feel like sometimes I might just ask questions which are like really obvious.
[04:50.500 -> 04:54.000] We know about F1, we know about F2, we know nothing about Formula E.
[04:54.000 -> 04:54.500] Zero.
[04:54.500 -> 04:58.500] And considering we're going tomorrow, this is perfect to have you on,
[04:58.500 -> 05:05.840] because my first question is, I saw on the TV earlier a qualifying grid that looked like a World Cup knockout football competition.
[05:05.840 -> 05:07.120] It does look like that though, doesn't it?
[05:07.120 -> 05:08.240] What happens?
[05:08.240 -> 05:12.480] So basically you have like two groups, so I think there's 22 drivers, two groups of 11,
[05:12.480 -> 05:16.480] top four of each group go through to the quarterfinals and then it's like, like you say,
[05:16.480 -> 05:21.840] it's like a World Cup scenario then. So I think the first place in group A will face fourth place
[05:21.840 -> 05:26.360] in group B, second and third, vice versa the other way around. And then the winner of the quarters
[05:26.360 -> 05:27.800] go to the semis and vice versa.
[05:27.800 -> 05:29.800] Is that just like one person on track then?
[05:29.800 -> 05:32.820] Yeah, well, so when you get through to what we call
[05:32.820 -> 05:34.500] the duels after the group stages,
[05:35.640 -> 05:37.680] there's two cars on track sort of racing against each other
[05:37.680 -> 05:39.240] at the same time and they're competing against each other.
[05:39.240 -> 05:40.700] Whilst they're finishing their lap,
[05:40.700 -> 05:43.200] the next duel is kind of exiting the pit lane.
[05:43.200 -> 05:45.520] So it kind of like rolls on quite quickly,
[05:45.520 -> 05:48.400] but it's normally supposed to be just the two cars
[05:48.400 -> 05:49.600] fighting against each other.
[05:49.600 -> 05:50.440] That's completely different format.
[05:50.440 -> 05:51.560] That's very different.
[05:51.560 -> 05:52.640] Yeah, completely different format.
[05:52.640 -> 05:53.460] Quite like it though.
[05:53.460 -> 05:54.800] I like how they haven't just copied format,
[05:54.800 -> 05:57.800] like not copy, but I like how it's not the same throughout.
[05:57.800 -> 06:00.560] Yeah, well, they had a sort of this system in the,
[06:00.560 -> 06:03.200] well, since it started really where there used to be 24 cars
[06:03.200 -> 06:06.320] on the grid and they would have two, four groups of six. And basically the track would always get quicker yn y grwpau, y grwp A, y top 6 yn y Llyfrgell, byddai'r gondiwyr y gynlluniau gwaanol yn y grwpau.
[06:06.320 -> 06:09.840] Yn y grwp 4, byddai'r gondiwyr y gynlluniau gwaanol yn y grwpau'n well.
[06:09.840 -> 06:12.000] Felly byddai'r grwpau'n bob mor cyflym ar y front,
[06:12.000 -> 06:25.840] ac yna'r gondiwyr y gynlluniau gwaanol, fel y cael eu cyflwyno'n fwy cyflym, yn y gynlluniau gwaanol. Yn y grwpau'n well, byddai'r gondiwyr y gynlluniau gwaanol yn y grwpau'n well. Yn y grwpau'n well, byddai'r gondiwyr y gynlluniau gwaanol yn y grwpau'n well. Yn y grwpau'n well, byddai'r gondiwyr y gynlluniau gwaanol yn y grwpau'n well. Yn y grwpau'n well, byddai'r gondiwyr y gynlluniau gwaanol yn y grwpau'n well. Yn y grwpau'n well, byddai'r gondiwyr y gynlluniau gwaanol yn y grwpau'n well. Yn y grwpau'n well, byddai'r gondiwyr y gynlluniau gwaanol yn y grwpau'n well. Yn y grwpau'n well and then the championship contenders, so to speak, with the fastest cards would qualify at the back. So when you say best track conditions there,
[06:25.840 -> 06:28.440] how can it change so quick?
[06:28.440 -> 06:29.280] Oh, massively.
[06:29.280 -> 06:30.480] I mean, especially these tracks,
[06:30.480 -> 06:32.300] they're so temporary, Formula E tracks.
[06:32.300 -> 06:34.520] I mean, obviously the XL is not used for this.
[06:34.520 -> 06:36.520] Oh, what, because they're like built, I get what you mean.
[06:36.520 -> 06:37.840] They haven't like re-tarmacked it,
[06:37.840 -> 06:38.680] like how they would like.
[06:38.680 -> 06:40.280] Yeah, but it's not even just about the XL,
[06:40.280 -> 06:42.320] like they will go on Rome in the city centre,
[06:42.320 -> 06:48.280] even Monaco, which is more sort of permanent or as permanent as we get in Formula E. Oh wait so it's Formula E
[06:48.280 -> 06:52.400] tracks mainly like set up? Yeah. So they like build the whole track? Yeah it's all like
[06:52.400 -> 06:56.440] city centers and things like that. I still thought it was like a race track. They're really temporary.
[06:56.440 -> 07:02.440] I didn't realise that. I was going to say it's at the Excel outside the house I've never seen a race track.
[07:02.440 -> 07:04.440] You parked your car there for about a year. I literally did.
[07:04.440 -> 07:05.660] You were here for the dog show a few weeks ago.
[07:05.660 -> 07:06.720] There was no Formula E car.
[07:06.720 -> 07:10.200] Oh man, I can't wait to go with you tomorrow.
[07:10.200 -> 07:11.440] It must be a sick track.
[07:11.440 -> 07:14.100] Cause we've driven around it, like part of it.
[07:14.100 -> 07:16.680] And I've tried to figure out where the track actually went.
[07:16.680 -> 07:17.520] Yeah.
[07:17.520 -> 07:19.360] But it goes up into the car park and it goes round
[07:19.360 -> 07:20.200] and everything else.
[07:20.200 -> 07:21.040] Yeah, to be honest,
[07:21.040 -> 07:23.480] there's not like a super amount of space available,
[07:23.480 -> 07:24.320] is there?
[07:24.320 -> 07:26.280] No, not really. Especially to make a racetrack. Because of that, there's not like a super amount of space available, is there? Especially to make a racetrack.
[07:26.280 -> 07:28.880] Because of that, there's not a lot of long straights.
[07:28.880 -> 07:32.160] So the races, overtaking here is like probably
[07:32.160 -> 07:33.320] the most difficult of the year.
[07:33.320 -> 07:35.020] So it's really a qualifying track.
[07:36.080 -> 07:39.220] And when you talk about energy, like race driving,
[07:39.220 -> 07:41.040] let's say this, what Formula E is,
[07:41.040 -> 07:42.760] which is saving energy in coasting periods.
[07:42.760 -> 07:44.520] And then we go on to something called a regen paddle
[07:44.520 -> 07:45.960] on the back of the steering wheel
[07:45.960 -> 07:47.740] to put energy back into the battery.
[07:47.740 -> 07:49.620] Normally that's the sort of phase of a corner,
[07:49.620 -> 07:51.660] because we don't go normally full throttle
[07:51.660 -> 07:53.360] down the whole straight in the race.
[07:53.360 -> 07:56.040] So you sort of go, let's say, to two thirds the way lift
[07:56.040 -> 07:58.180] for a coast for a period, then pull a regen paddle
[07:58.180 -> 07:59.160] into the corner.
[07:59.160 -> 08:01.900] In that coasting phase is normally where
[08:01.900 -> 08:04.840] the overtaking happens, because people can just choose
[08:04.840 -> 08:10.960] to lift later effectively. So it means that racing is always pretty good. Here, we
[08:10.960 -> 08:15.240] expected it to be, and a bit like last year, quite difficult because the straights are
[08:15.240 -> 08:18.960] smaller so we're going full throttle nearly for the whole straight. So it becomes more
[08:18.960 -> 08:23.400] like a normal, you know, almost like for F1, it's like you have to just be quicker to make
[08:23.400 -> 08:25.920] the overtake. But we thought it'd be difficult,
[08:25.920 -> 08:27.440] but then I don't know if you watched the race today
[08:27.440 -> 08:30.080] or if anyone watching this watched it, it was carnage.
[08:30.080 -> 08:32.080] I'll be honest, I haven't seen it.
[08:32.080 -> 08:33.680] I was, we were setting up this
[08:33.680 -> 08:36.080] and then we were watching qualifying
[08:36.080 -> 08:37.360] and then we were filming loads of stuff.
[08:37.360 -> 08:38.560] Yeah, it's been a mad busy day,
[08:38.560 -> 08:40.600] but the bit I did catch was the end of the qualifying
[08:40.600 -> 08:42.680] when it was like the grid, like I said.
[08:42.680 -> 08:44.840] But we're going tomorrow and that's,
[08:44.840 -> 08:47.120] so when we go at Sunday and then that's another race.
[08:47.120 -> 08:47.960] Is that, yeah.
[08:47.960 -> 08:49.560] So there was a race today and there's one tomorrow as well.
[08:49.560 -> 08:51.240] It's a completely different round.
[08:51.240 -> 08:53.440] So it's like, it's not like being at different tracks,
[08:53.440 -> 08:54.840] clearly we're not, but it's, it is,
[08:54.840 -> 08:56.480] it's worth the same amount of points.
[08:56.480 -> 08:57.320] So yeah.
[08:57.320 -> 08:59.040] So we, some of the races like Monaco
[08:59.040 -> 09:01.120] is clearly just a single header when we go to Monaco.
[09:01.120 -> 09:01.960] Yeah.
[09:01.960 -> 09:04.800] But we have like races in Jakarta and Indonesia
[09:04.800 -> 09:05.560] here in London,
[09:05.560 -> 09:07.960] I think Seoul in two weeks does a double header.
[09:07.960 -> 09:11.240] So that's just like to make the championship a bit bigger.
[09:11.240 -> 09:12.520] So we have something like 12 events,
[09:12.520 -> 09:15.000] but I want to say 16 races.
[09:15.000 -> 09:17.520] Is someone that has drove a Formula 2 car,
[09:17.520 -> 09:19.520] Formula 3 car and Formula 4 car?
[09:19.520 -> 09:20.360] Yeah.
[09:20.360 -> 09:21.320] I won Formula 4, mate.
[09:21.320 -> 09:22.160] Yeah, I know.
[09:22.160 -> 09:22.980] In your first ever year.
[09:22.980 -> 09:23.820] Come on, mate, come on.
[09:23.820 -> 09:24.960] In your first ever year, man.
[09:24.960 -> 09:27.920] Yeah, seven years ago, eight years ago.
[09:27.920 -> 09:28.760] Do you know why I didn't say it?
[09:28.760 -> 09:30.840] Because when I read it, it's got the word on it
[09:30.840 -> 09:31.800] that I can't pronounce.
[09:31.800 -> 09:32.880] inaugural, is that right?
[09:32.880 -> 09:33.720] Yeah.
[09:33.720 -> 09:34.560] Inaugural.
[09:34.560 -> 09:35.380] That was pretty close.
[09:35.380 -> 09:36.220] I didn't want to say something and get it wrong.
[09:36.220 -> 09:37.060] Don't ask a Brummie to say it.
[09:37.060 -> 09:37.880] What does that mean?
[09:37.880 -> 09:38.720] Does that mean the first win?
[09:38.720 -> 09:41.800] Yeah, so I'm a bit different to sort of like,
[09:41.800 -> 09:43.920] well, you know, we talk about people like Max
[09:43.920 -> 09:46.640] who started when he was four in karting
[09:46.640 -> 09:47.800] or something like that and was in F1
[09:47.800 -> 09:48.640] by the time he was 17.
[09:48.640 -> 09:49.640] You didn't start till you were 16.
[09:49.640 -> 09:50.480] 16, yeah.
[09:51.560 -> 09:52.400] Okay, he has been.
[09:52.400 -> 09:53.240] He's done his research.
[09:53.240 -> 09:54.800] I must be the Wikipedia.
[09:54.800 -> 09:56.160] He's done his research, yeah.
[09:56.160 -> 09:58.000] Someone changed my Wikipedia a few years ago.
[09:58.000 -> 09:59.240] It's a good job we weren't doing this then.
[09:59.240 -> 10:00.080] Oh, no.
[10:00.080 -> 10:01.280] We would have got all sorts of weird rubbish
[10:01.280 -> 10:02.320] going on there.
[10:02.320 -> 10:03.720] So, no, I started when I was 16,
[10:03.720 -> 10:05.120] which is obviously quite late.
[10:05.120 -> 10:06.440] And by the time I was in Formula 4,
[10:06.440 -> 10:07.760] I was either 19 or 20.
[10:07.760 -> 10:08.600] Yeah.
[10:08.600 -> 10:09.440] Won that in my first year,
[10:09.440 -> 10:12.800] and then effectively ran out of money a few years later,
[10:12.800 -> 10:14.960] and then just been taking whatever drive
[10:14.960 -> 10:17.480] I can get since then, kind of, is the short story.
[10:17.480 -> 10:18.520] So let me get this straight.
[10:18.520 -> 10:19.760] So you're an F2 driver,
[10:19.760 -> 10:22.840] and you're a reserve driver for Formula E Mercedes.
[10:22.840 -> 10:23.680] Exactly, yeah.
[10:23.680 -> 10:25.000] So I do, I mean, how many races we've got this year in F2?n ffyrdd drifo ar gyfer Formula E Mercedes. – Yn unig, ie. Felly, dwi'n…
[10:25.000 -> 10:26.000] Dwi'n gobeithio, dwi'n gwybod,
[10:26.000 -> 10:27.000] mae hwn yn ystod y rhesau rydyn ni'n cael ym mis hwn,
[10:27.000 -> 10:28.000] a'n ffordd i mi ddweud,
[10:28.000 -> 10:29.000] byddwn i'n ddweud,
[10:29.000 -> 10:30.000] byddwn i'n gweithio'n unig ar gyfer 14 cyfres,
[10:30.000 -> 10:31.000] ond nawr, dwi'n gweithio'n unig ar gyfer 12.
[10:31.000 -> 10:32.000] Ac yna,
[10:32.000 -> 10:33.000] ychydig neu nifer o gyfresau gyda Formula E,
[10:33.000 -> 10:34.000] dwy o'u rhesau yn cysylltu.
[10:34.000 -> 10:35.000] Un o'u rhesau,
[10:35.000 -> 10:36.000] yn amlwg,
[10:36.000 -> 10:37.000] yw hwn,
[10:37.000 -> 10:38.000] yw'r rhesau rhwng Budapest a Llonddyn.
[10:38.000 -> 10:39.000] Yn unig,
[10:39.000 -> 10:40.000] byddaf ddim yn ymwneud â hwn.
[10:40.000 -> 10:41.000] – Ie,
[10:41.000 -> 10:42.000] yw'r ffordd,
[10:42.000 -> 10:43.000] yw'r ffordd,
[10:43.000 -> 10:44.000] yw'r ffordd,
[10:44.000 -> 10:46.600] yw'r ffordd, yw'r ffordd, yw'r ffordd, yw'r ffordd, yw'r ffordd, So the F2 obviously take priority in that situation. Exactly. So, well, so I signed to be reserve driver again
[10:46.600 -> 10:47.440] for the second year in a row
[10:47.440 -> 10:48.920] because I was reserve driver last year
[10:48.920 -> 10:50.400] before I'd signed to F2.
[10:50.400 -> 10:52.840] So F2 came up afterwards
[10:52.840 -> 10:55.160] and Mercedes were just good about it basically.
[10:55.160 -> 10:57.080] And they said, look, if there's a couple of clashes
[10:57.080 -> 10:59.960] which there were later on when the calendars were released
[10:59.960 -> 11:01.760] we'll allow you to miss them.
[11:01.760 -> 11:02.840] That's really good.
[11:02.840 -> 11:04.560] So who do you drive for in F2?
[11:04.560 -> 11:05.480] Van Amersfoort. So2? Van Amersfoort.
[11:05.480 -> 11:07.200] So it's Van Amersfoort, we're a new team
[11:07.200 -> 11:09.800] and yeah, we're struggling basically.
[11:09.800 -> 11:12.000] So we're trying to get on top of it at the moment
[11:12.000 -> 11:15.040] and hopefully we'll get there soon.
[11:15.040 -> 11:16.920] There's, I don't know, I mean, I know in F2
[11:16.920 -> 11:18.800] there's a car which looks like a Red Bull
[11:18.800 -> 11:19.640] and that's all I know apart-
[11:19.640 -> 11:21.120] That's half the grid, mate.
[11:21.120 -> 11:21.960] Really?
[11:21.960 -> 11:23.000] Yeah, there's so many Red Bull cars.
[11:23.000 -> 11:25.720] Yeah, there's like six or seven juniors.
[11:25.720 -> 11:28.480] What are the biggest sponsors and brands in F2?
[11:28.480 -> 11:29.320] Because I just said Red Bull,
[11:29.320 -> 11:31.000] do they have their own team in F2?
[11:31.000 -> 11:33.200] No, no, all these drivers, I think there's-
[11:33.200 -> 11:34.680] Are they just sponsored by Red Bull?
[11:34.680 -> 11:36.640] Yeah, or just juniors, or some of them,
[11:36.640 -> 11:38.520] I think might even fund the seat themselves,
[11:38.520 -> 11:39.440] but just have the affiliation.
[11:39.440 -> 11:41.680] This is something I have no idea about.
[11:41.680 -> 11:44.960] So, where does the money come from for an F2 team?
[11:44.960 -> 11:46.960] Is it just someone rich will make a team?
[11:46.960 -> 11:47.800] Drivers.
[11:47.800 -> 11:49.240] Yeah, it's like, isn't it self-funded or something?
[11:49.240 -> 11:52.200] Yeah, so I mean, some teams these days can allow
[11:52.200 -> 11:54.560] to bring extra sponsors on board or whatever,
[11:54.560 -> 11:56.600] but generally it's the drivers that bring the money.
[11:56.600 -> 11:58.000] Mate, it must cost so much money.
[11:58.000 -> 11:58.920] Two million.
[11:58.920 -> 11:59.960] What, a year, a season?
[11:59.960 -> 12:00.800] F2, yeah.
[12:00.800 -> 12:03.000] So genuinely, this is a serious question.
[12:03.000 -> 12:04.200] If we do a GoFundMe,
[12:04.200 -> 12:05.480] I managed to raise two million pounds. You could race. Oh, you need a license. I think you need a, this is a serious question. If we do a GoFundMe, I managed to raise 2 million pounds.
[12:05.480 -> 12:06.320] You could race.
[12:06.320 -> 12:07.400] Oh, you need a license.
[12:07.400 -> 12:09.640] I think you need a, at least an international business.
[12:09.640 -> 12:11.280] Not for us, you could race for Pistol.
[12:11.280 -> 12:13.200] Oh yeah, actually yeah, I didn't think about that.
[12:13.200 -> 12:15.040] We're allowed to race.
[12:15.040 -> 12:18.360] Yeah, if you made a good, I'd put Pistol up on the car.
[12:18.360 -> 12:19.200] Absolutely.
[12:19.200 -> 12:20.240] I'm no joke.
[12:20.240 -> 12:21.520] We've said about this as a joke.
[12:21.520 -> 12:23.160] We could actually, we could start like,
[12:23.160 -> 12:25.400] lower down, get someone worse than you, you know,
[12:25.400 -> 12:26.960] get it going, make a bit of money,
[12:26.960 -> 12:28.440] and then we'll go to F2, get you,
[12:28.440 -> 12:29.560] cause you're too good to go there.
[12:29.560 -> 12:31.320] Well, I'd do it for the socials, to be honest.
[12:31.320 -> 12:32.160] Oh, okay.
[12:32.160 -> 12:33.960] The car will be matte black
[12:33.960 -> 12:35.280] with a Pitstop logo on the side.
[12:35.280 -> 12:36.120] Oh my God.
[12:36.120 -> 12:36.940] It'll be sick.
[12:36.940 -> 12:37.780] The thing we have spoken about, actually.
[12:37.780 -> 12:40.040] It's do it for GT or something like that.
[12:40.040 -> 12:42.200] There's like a smaller 24 hour series championship.
[12:42.200 -> 12:43.040] We should do that.
[12:43.040 -> 12:44.400] Yeah, true, we probably have to choose.
[12:44.400 -> 12:45.000] Oh, that's what Jack, is it Jack Aitken? Yeah, I'm good friends with Jack. Doesn You should do that. Yeah, true. We probably have to choose one.
[12:45.000 -> 12:46.480] Oh, that's what Jack, is he Jack Aitken?
[12:46.480 -> 12:47.400] Yeah, I'm good friends with Jack.
[12:47.400 -> 12:48.220] Doesn't he do that?
[12:48.220 -> 12:49.060] The GT 24 hours?
[12:49.060 -> 12:50.000] He's at spa this weekend.
[12:50.000 -> 12:51.560] Yeah, spa 24 this weekend.
[12:51.560 -> 12:52.800] I think he qualified fourth actually.
[12:52.800 -> 12:53.640] Cause he was on the podcast.
[12:53.640 -> 12:54.480] Yeah, he sat right here.
[12:54.480 -> 12:55.480] Yeah, he came on a while back.
[12:55.480 -> 12:56.520] Yeah, he was a nice guy.
[12:56.520 -> 12:57.360] I like him.
[12:57.360 -> 12:58.840] Yeah, Jack's a top bloke, yeah.
[12:58.840 -> 12:59.800] I'm going to let you down now.
[12:59.800 -> 13:00.960] We did give him a Pitstop hoodie.
[13:00.960 -> 13:02.200] We haven't actually got one for you.
[13:02.200 -> 13:03.160] Oh, I'm sorry.
[13:03.160 -> 13:04.000] I'm really sorry.
[13:04.000 -> 13:05.960] We owe like four guests Pitstop hoodies. Yeah, we do. We're getting them all made and they haven't come yet. We haven't actually got one for you. I'm really sorry. We owe like four guests Pitstop hoodies.
[13:05.960 -> 13:06.800] Yeah, we do.
[13:06.800 -> 13:08.560] We're getting them all made and they haven't come yet.
[13:08.560 -> 13:09.640] We're going to send it to you.
[13:09.640 -> 13:11.520] Yeah, I could have done with one to hide this t-shirt
[13:11.520 -> 13:12.760] really, couldn't I?
[13:12.760 -> 13:15.480] Make it look like I wasn't actually at a Formula E event.
[13:15.480 -> 13:16.320] Hey, that's so sick though,
[13:16.320 -> 13:18.160] because you can wear a top with a Mercedes logo on it
[13:18.160 -> 13:19.000] and you're actually part of the Mercedes team.
[13:19.000 -> 13:21.400] Yeah, and it's actually worth you wearing it.
[13:21.400 -> 13:22.600] We just buy them from the store.
[13:22.600 -> 13:23.800] And even the ones we've got around.
[13:23.800 -> 13:24.880] Do you think I could sell it?
[13:24.880 -> 13:25.840] Yeah, probably. I'm not allowed. I guarantee you that I'm not allowed, but I reckon I can make some good money outing it. We just buy them from the store. And even the ones we've got around. Do you think I could sell it? Yeah, probably.
[13:25.840 -> 13:26.680] I'm not allowed.
[13:26.680 -> 13:27.920] I guarantee you that I'm not allowed.
[13:27.920 -> 13:29.760] I reckon I can make some good money out of it.
[13:29.760 -> 13:30.600] Should be saying that.
[13:30.600 -> 13:31.440] I should not be saying that.
[13:31.440 -> 13:33.320] I'll give you a turn for it.
[13:33.320 -> 13:35.240] Yeah, no, we won't do that.
[13:35.240 -> 13:36.920] Anyone from Mercedes watching,
[13:36.920 -> 13:37.760] I'm definitely not doing that.
[13:37.760 -> 13:39.840] We spoke to Mercedes the other day actually, didn't we?
[13:39.840 -> 13:41.760] Cause they like one of our videos.
[13:41.760 -> 13:42.800] They didn't tell you did they?
[13:42.800 -> 13:43.640] What?
[13:43.640 -> 13:47.520] No, don't worry about it. No, we did a video about George Russell with the things.
[13:47.760 -> 13:49.240] What was the trend?
[13:49.560 -> 13:51.280] It was like George Russell's type of guy.
[13:51.280 -> 13:53.240] Yeah, and we did it and they liked it.
[13:53.240 -> 13:54.920] And the next day, Mercedes put one up.
[13:54.920 -> 13:56.000] So in our next pub, we were...
[13:56.000 -> 13:57.320] Do you see the tweet after quali?
[13:57.320 -> 13:57.640] No.
[13:57.640 -> 14:00.640] It said George Russell's the type of guy to qualify on pole in Budapest.
[14:00.640 -> 14:01.280] Love it.
[14:01.280 -> 14:02.400] Yeah, he smashed it.
[14:02.400 -> 14:02.960] He smashed it today.
[14:02.960 -> 14:03.600] He absolutely smashed it.
[14:03.600 -> 14:04.720] Did you watch it where you were?
[14:04.720 -> 14:05.000] Well, I think our race was on at the same time, I think. Yeah, yeah. Which. He smashed it today. He absolutely smashed it. Did you watch it where you were?
[14:05.000 -> 14:05.840] Well, I think, was it,
[14:05.840 -> 14:07.180] our race was on at the same time, I think.
[14:07.180 -> 14:08.020] Yeah, yeah.
[14:08.020 -> 14:08.860] Which is probably in hindsight,
[14:08.860 -> 14:09.700] not the best thing to do.
[14:09.700 -> 14:10.540] No.
[14:10.540 -> 14:11.360] Because people are gonna,
[14:11.360 -> 14:12.200] Formula One is bigger.
[14:12.200 -> 14:14.400] So, not as many people are gonna watch, but.
[14:14.400 -> 14:16.280] So, like tomorrow, there's like an hour's gap.
[14:16.280 -> 14:17.120] Is there?
[14:17.120 -> 14:17.940] I think so, yeah.
[14:17.940 -> 14:19.040] I think they just kind of clash a little bit at the end,
[14:19.040 -> 14:19.880] but.
[14:19.880 -> 14:20.720] That's a good, to be honest,
[14:20.720 -> 14:22.000] I mean, Formula One is Formula One, isn't it?
[14:22.000 -> 14:24.880] So, it's not any bad on Formula E to say that
[14:24.880 -> 14:26.600] people would watch Formula One over Formula E.
[14:26.600 -> 14:28.920] It's a growing sport, but I think they should try
[14:28.920 -> 14:30.000] to make it on different times.
[14:30.000 -> 14:30.840] Yeah, definitely.
[14:30.840 -> 14:32.760] We're mad curious about all the different motorsports,
[14:32.760 -> 14:35.320] Formula E, W Series, F2, F3, F4.
[14:35.320 -> 14:37.160] That's why we need people like you on to tell us,
[14:37.160 -> 14:39.200] because it's just so much easier to learn.
[14:39.200 -> 14:41.480] And also we've got new fans listening to this
[14:41.480 -> 14:43.000] who are in the same boat as us.
[14:43.000 -> 14:44.760] So they probably want to know about Formula E as well.
[14:44.760 -> 14:47.280] I think, well, speaking of the junior Formula in general,
[14:47.280 -> 14:49.080] I think not a lot of people realise
[14:49.080 -> 14:51.120] that the driver brings the money, basically.
[14:51.120 -> 14:51.960] I had no idea.
[14:51.960 -> 14:54.560] I thought like a team or a sponsor would have the money
[14:54.560 -> 14:56.680] and be like, oh, now we need to bring in the best driver
[14:56.680 -> 14:57.520] so we can win.
[14:57.520 -> 14:58.600] I knew there wasn't a sponsor,
[14:58.600 -> 15:01.640] but I remember Ollie saying that it's like very self-funded
[15:01.640 -> 15:03.200] in that kind of, that way.
[15:03.200 -> 15:06.800] Okay, well then that leads me to a question of if you're an amazing driver and you go
[15:06.800 -> 15:10.920] and put two million pounds in and you compete that year, how do you make any money back?
[15:10.920 -> 15:11.920] Do you have to win?
[15:11.920 -> 15:12.920] No, you don't.
[15:12.920 -> 15:13.920] You don't?
[15:13.920 -> 15:20.760] You basically, I mean, let's say you basically try to invest the money to get you to Formula
[15:20.760 -> 15:22.080] One or to get a professional career.
[15:22.080 -> 15:25.680] So that's the sole reason for like F4, F3, F2
[15:25.680 -> 15:27.480] is purely just to get into F1.
[15:27.480 -> 15:30.160] Well, I mean, yeah, in general,
[15:30.160 -> 15:32.160] they call it the road to F1.
[15:32.160 -> 15:33.400] So that's generally the idea,
[15:33.400 -> 15:36.800] but obviously some drivers have more financial capabilities
[15:36.800 -> 15:37.640] than others.
[15:37.640 -> 15:40.200] So they, it's not that they don't care
[15:40.200 -> 15:41.680] that they won't see that money back,
[15:41.680 -> 15:44.640] but they can afford to invest it,
[15:44.640 -> 15:46.160] knowing that if it doesn't work, they're gonna be all right. But if it does work, they're gonna get that money back, but they can afford to invest it, knowing that if it doesn't work,
[15:46.160 -> 15:47.400] they're going to be all right.
[15:47.400 -> 15:48.520] But if it does work,
[15:48.520 -> 15:49.920] they're going to get all it back and more
[15:49.920 -> 15:52.160] by being Formula One driver or professional driver.
[15:52.160 -> 15:54.880] So that's the sort of card you're sort of playing sometimes.
[15:54.880 -> 15:56.400] So much money, man.
[15:56.400 -> 15:57.240] Yeah.
[15:57.240 -> 15:58.080] Blimey.
[15:59.520 -> 16:01.160] Formula Three is like 1 million.
[16:01.160 -> 16:02.040] Okay, we'll start there.
[16:02.040 -> 16:02.880] Yeah, it's getting better.
[16:02.880 -> 16:04.720] What about at four?
[16:04.720 -> 16:05.760] About four or 500. Even now that could be- See, we can start there. Yeah, it's getting better. What about 4? About 4-500?
[16:06.640 -> 16:12.400] No, that could be doable. We can actually do that. I can't remember how the license system
[16:12.400 -> 16:16.720] works now, what you need to race in Formula 4, but you could probably do it. Naomi told us,
[16:16.720 -> 16:19.920] didn't she? Yeah, she did. She did. She says if you go abroad and go to somewhere like,
[16:19.920 -> 16:26.160] I don't know where she said, but you can probably get it easier. Yeah. Well, we've got two sims coming
[16:26.160 -> 16:27.540] and they're properly set up
[16:27.540 -> 16:29.280] so we can proper practice to race.
[16:29.280 -> 16:30.520] So where are we at best?
[16:30.520 -> 16:31.920] Best bit of practice.
[16:31.920 -> 16:32.760] You think we're gonna be driving the car?
[16:32.760 -> 16:35.720] Are you gonna do iRacing or the F1 game?
[16:35.720 -> 16:37.160] What's the difference?
[16:37.160 -> 16:38.000] I think iRacing's more sort of like-
[16:38.000 -> 16:39.880] Is that the one that's really realistic?
[16:39.880 -> 16:41.960] Yeah, that's the one for Stappen and Norris race,
[16:41.960 -> 16:44.880] like 24 hours of Le Mans and stuff like that, virtually.
[16:44.880 -> 16:46.200] We're gonna be on the F1 game with traction control on. Yeah, that's the one like for stopping a Norris race, like 24 hours of Le Mans and stuff like that, virtually. We're going to be on the F1 camp
[16:46.200 -> 16:47.400] with traction control on.
[16:47.400 -> 16:48.240] Yeah, ABS on.
[16:48.240 -> 16:49.080] Oh, and ABS.
[16:49.080 -> 16:50.200] So, the braking line's on.
[16:50.200 -> 16:51.520] We do, we do.
[16:51.520 -> 16:52.360] Obviously.
[16:52.360 -> 16:54.440] You can't drive the bloody thing otherwise.
[16:54.440 -> 16:57.400] It's so funny, we had this conversation.
[16:57.400 -> 16:59.320] I remember asking someone specifically,
[16:59.320 -> 17:00.680] like, how do you know when to brake
[17:00.680 -> 17:01.800] if you haven't got that green line
[17:01.800 -> 17:02.720] when it goes red on the floor?
[17:02.720 -> 17:04.720] And it was Ollie again, and he was like,
[17:04.720 -> 17:06.080] well, it's the braking boards on the side
[17:06.080 -> 17:09.000] and I was like oh is that the things that we always like drive through when
[17:09.000 -> 17:11.680] we go off the track? Yeah exactly the white ones yeah. I didn't even know they were
[17:11.680 -> 17:14.640] braking boards. Yeah well to be honest you don't even always use braking you do
[17:14.640 -> 17:18.720] generally on F1 weekends they've got them all laid out perfectly so they're
[17:18.720 -> 17:21.680] all there but like if you go on a normal test day they might not be there so you
[17:21.680 -> 17:27.640] end up using like a tree or like a random like change in advertising on the side of the track.
[17:27.640 -> 17:28.640] I guess everyone will be different.
[17:28.640 -> 17:30.920] Every driver will probably have different things
[17:30.920 -> 17:31.760] that they know.
[17:31.760 -> 17:33.080] I mean, some drivers, I mean,
[17:33.080 -> 17:35.560] I'm pretty sure all drivers use references,
[17:35.560 -> 17:38.840] but some drivers use it like a bit less
[17:38.840 -> 17:39.680] or a bit more than others.
[17:39.680 -> 17:41.920] Like some drivers use turning references, for example,
[17:41.920 -> 17:43.360] which I definitely don't do that.
[17:43.360 -> 17:46.480] Cause I just can't, it becomes too analog
[17:46.480 -> 17:47.840] or too digital at that point.
[17:47.840 -> 17:49.280] So it's got to be a bit more, in my mind,
[17:49.280 -> 17:53.160] it's got a bit more sort of like reactive
[17:53.160 -> 17:54.300] rather than just sort of,
[17:54.300 -> 17:55.760] because what happens if the grip changes
[17:55.760 -> 17:57.760] or what happens if you go out of the session
[17:57.760 -> 18:00.100] and you've got soft tire versus hard tire
[18:00.100 -> 18:02.800] and you need to adapt your driving, so.
[18:03.680 -> 18:07.840] So is there different styles of driving, like set styles?
[18:07.840 -> 18:09.400] Do you feel like you have your own style
[18:09.400 -> 18:11.800] compared to like someone else that you race with?
[18:13.240 -> 18:14.920] I mean, there's always the talk about
[18:14.920 -> 18:16.920] like being a smooth driving style, isn't there?
[18:16.920 -> 18:18.000] Like I think you had Jenson on
[18:18.000 -> 18:20.560] and he's probably the most famous for that.
[18:20.560 -> 18:22.160] I mean, me, I don't really feel like I-
[18:22.160 -> 18:23.280] Shit, we didn't know that.
[18:23.280 -> 18:24.840] We shouldn't have said that like that about him.
[18:24.840 -> 18:26.000] No, he's like famous for it.
[18:26.000 -> 18:28.400] We were talking to him about his watch and all this shit.
[18:28.400 -> 18:30.560] Oh, that's more fun, yeah.
[18:30.560 -> 18:31.400] What, so you think he's like,
[18:31.400 -> 18:33.560] oh, because if you were to ask me,
[18:33.560 -> 18:36.840] I would say like Sergio Perez is quite a smooth driver.
[18:36.840 -> 18:38.880] Is that correct in saying that?
[18:38.880 -> 18:39.920] I feel like these days,
[18:39.920 -> 18:42.480] it's harder and harder to see the differences.
[18:42.480 -> 18:43.440] I don't know why that is.
[18:43.440 -> 18:44.320] I don't know whether it's just because
[18:44.320 -> 18:47.360] the cockpits are more enclosed now and the cars are so good
[18:47.360 -> 18:49.840] that all the tire is so limiting that you can't,
[18:49.840 -> 18:51.520] let's say being more aggressive driver,
[18:51.520 -> 18:53.520] like maybe used to be able to be 20 years ago.
[18:53.520 -> 18:55.280] Like have you ever seen Alonzo's on board
[18:55.280 -> 18:57.960] from like 2005 time in the Renault?
[18:57.960 -> 18:59.000] You probably haven't.
[18:59.000 -> 18:59.840] You should have a look at it.
[18:59.840 -> 19:00.680] You should have a look at it.
[19:00.680 -> 19:02.560] So he was in the Renault when he won the world championship
[19:02.560 -> 19:05.440] and he was completely over-slipping the fronts. Like it's a completely different driving style to look at.. So he was in the Renault when he won the world championship and he was completely over slipping the front. Like it's a
[19:05.440 -> 19:08.760] completely different driving style to look at. You can't do that now because
[19:08.760 -> 19:12.000] the Pirelli tire doesn't allow it. So it feels like everyone's had to migrate
[19:12.000 -> 19:16.960] more towards a sort of, yeah, within the goalpost of that tire. But I mean me
[19:16.960 -> 19:20.120] personally, I don't even know whether I'd call myself smooth but I would say I'm
[19:20.120 -> 19:26.160] more on that side definitely. What about switching between like, what are the main differences, like,
[19:26.160 -> 19:29.040] for us to understand of you,
[19:29.040 -> 19:31.120] like, that you would say between driving the F2 car
[19:31.120 -> 19:31.960] and driving Formula E,
[19:31.960 -> 19:34.880] like, what are the main standouts straight away?
[19:34.880 -> 19:37.240] Well, the FE car is actually heavier than the F2 car,
[19:37.240 -> 19:38.080] which you probably don't think about.
[19:38.080 -> 19:39.640] Wow, I didn't expect that.
[19:39.640 -> 19:40.760] Yeah, it's 900 kilos,
[19:40.760 -> 19:42.520] it's a hundred kilo heavier than an F1 car.
[19:42.520 -> 19:44.680] Wow, heavier than an F1 car?
[19:44.680 -> 19:49.020] Yeah, the battery, what we call the res, it's so heavy.
[19:49.020 -> 19:50.920] Next year, actually, the Gen 3 car,
[19:50.920 -> 19:53.440] when it comes out next year, will be 100 kilos lighter.
[19:53.440 -> 19:54.520] So that's already a big difference.
[19:54.520 -> 19:55.800] But they're not taking off.
[19:55.800 -> 19:59.160] Yeah, they're going like, I think the estimation
[19:59.160 -> 20:01.540] is like four, five, four, between four and six seconds
[20:01.540 -> 20:02.840] a lot faster. Wow.
[20:02.840 -> 20:04.660] And they're still gonna be racing on these kind of tracks.
[20:04.660 -> 20:05.480] So, you know.
[20:05.480 -> 20:06.800] Do you think Formula E is just going to get quicker
[20:06.800 -> 20:09.040] and quicker every year as it gets developed?
[20:10.720 -> 20:13.800] I mean, maybe, but I think its niche
[20:13.800 -> 20:15.920] is that it races in city centers.
[20:15.920 -> 20:17.880] Yeah, the fact you said that there's a race in New York.
[20:17.880 -> 20:18.700] That's lit.
[20:18.700 -> 20:19.540] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[20:19.540 -> 20:20.380] That was just on, right?
[20:20.380 -> 20:21.200] There was a huge crash in New York.
[20:21.200 -> 20:22.040] Two weeks ago, yeah.
[20:22.040 -> 20:22.880] Did you see it?
[20:22.880 -> 20:23.700] I saw the crash, yeah.
[20:23.700 -> 20:25.640] Stoffel and Atti in Van Dorn, he was involved in it. He was the third car to go in. I don't know if you actually saw it. Yeah, did you see it? I saw the crash. Stoffel and our team, Van Dorn, he was involved in it.
[20:25.640 -> 20:26.760] He was the third car to go in.
[20:26.760 -> 20:28.320] I don't know if you actually saw it.
[20:28.320 -> 20:29.560] Yeah, because there wasn't a lot of water
[20:29.560 -> 20:30.720] that came out on the track all of a sudden.
[20:30.720 -> 20:33.040] So yeah, I mean, I was watching on TV like you,
[20:33.040 -> 20:34.720] so TV doesn't come across,
[20:34.720 -> 20:38.520] but it looked like a completely massive localized shower.
[20:38.520 -> 20:40.720] And they got, because it was so bad,
[20:40.720 -> 20:42.640] the race director called FCY,
[20:42.640 -> 20:45.440] so like VSC, that you have in F1.
[20:45.440 -> 20:46.520] Yeah.
[20:46.520 -> 20:48.960] And it wasn't quick enough that the tire,
[20:48.960 -> 20:51.080] basically the tires are treaded.
[20:51.080 -> 20:52.360] By the end of the race, they become a slick
[20:52.360 -> 20:53.640] because they've been used so much.
[20:53.640 -> 20:56.480] So when it rains, they had no grip.
[20:56.480 -> 20:58.360] So they just went straight on.
[20:58.360 -> 21:01.120] I know they were the first sort of three, four, five cars
[21:01.120 -> 21:03.600] that sort of were in the shower as the FCY was called.
[21:03.600 -> 21:05.400] Everyone behind, it was so localized
[21:05.400 -> 21:08.080] that they actually hadn't hit the wall of water yet.
[21:08.080 -> 21:10.560] Sounds weird, but it was that extreme.
[21:10.560 -> 21:11.760] Was it a big part of that?
[21:11.760 -> 21:12.600] Oh, have you not seen it?
[21:12.600 -> 21:13.440] No.
[21:13.440 -> 21:14.260] It's like four or five cars, wasn't it?
[21:14.260 -> 21:15.440] I'll watch that after this.
[21:15.440 -> 21:17.060] I thought someone was gonna be seriously injured
[21:17.060 -> 21:17.900] when I first saw it.
[21:17.900 -> 21:18.880] I was watching it live.
[21:18.880 -> 21:19.720] Wow.
[21:19.720 -> 21:22.840] And there's me thinking Stoffel, like Mercedes driver,
[21:22.840 -> 21:24.840] involved, I'm thinking, hang on.
[21:24.840 -> 21:26.400] Yeah. I'm normally the reserve driver.
[21:26.400 -> 21:28.160] Like I should have been there this weekend.
[21:28.160 -> 21:30.440] And I'm thinking like, if he's injured now,
[21:30.440 -> 21:33.000] like that leaves the team a bit, a bit short.
[21:33.000 -> 21:34.280] And there's me watching it at home.
[21:34.280 -> 21:35.600] Just because I tested positive.
[21:35.600 -> 21:36.440] Yeah.
[21:37.520 -> 21:40.080] Mate, we find it so scary on TV, watching these crashes.
[21:40.080 -> 21:40.920] Cause like we're new to it.
[21:40.920 -> 21:42.160] And we're aware of how quick they're going.
[21:42.160 -> 21:44.600] And the safety changes that they've added halos and that,
[21:44.600 -> 21:46.240] like obviously it makes it safer.
[21:46.240 -> 21:48.440] But I am going to ask you about Monaco.
[21:48.440 -> 21:49.280] Because we were watching it.
[21:49.280 -> 21:50.920] I was just going to say, if you see mine in Monaco.
[21:50.920 -> 21:53.620] Bro, we were watching it and we were like, oh my God.
[21:53.620 -> 21:54.460] I was so worried.
[21:54.460 -> 21:55.600] You actually did take off then.
[21:55.600 -> 21:56.440] Yeah, I did.
[21:56.440 -> 21:57.560] It was very impressive.
[21:58.840 -> 22:00.800] Well, I wasn't not impressive.
[22:00.800 -> 22:03.080] It got some views on YouTube, definitely.
[22:03.080 -> 22:05.680] It's got a few mil on YouTube, I couldn't believe it.
[22:05.680 -> 22:07.360] Didn't get any followers from it.
[22:07.360 -> 22:08.960] Didn't get any followers from it.
[22:08.960 -> 22:09.800] But it's like.
[22:09.800 -> 22:12.000] Can you walk us through it?
[22:12.000 -> 22:14.120] Because I want to know also like your mindset at the time
[22:14.120 -> 22:16.520] and like just what you're thinking.
[22:16.520 -> 22:19.680] So it was, I was going to be close
[22:19.680 -> 22:21.760] whether that was going to be my last lap or not of quali.
[22:21.760 -> 22:24.520] We had a quick car and I basically just decided
[22:24.520 -> 22:26.240] on what I thought might be my last lap,
[22:26.240 -> 22:28.840] that I'm going for it, I don't care if I crash.
[22:28.840 -> 22:32.120] I mean, in the end, I did care that I crashed.
[22:32.120 -> 22:34.640] But it was sort of, the lap was going well,
[22:34.640 -> 22:38.160] I made a small mistake at exit the tunnel in the chicane
[22:38.160 -> 22:40.260] and lost like attempt there and I knew it at the time.
[22:40.260 -> 22:42.680] So I went through to back and nailed it.
[22:42.680 -> 22:44.880] So I thought, right, I'm taking swimming pool flat.
[22:44.880 -> 22:46.880] And I don't think anyone on the grid
[22:46.880 -> 22:48.580] probably attempted it flat that day.
[22:48.580 -> 22:49.960] I spoke to Marcus Armstrong afterwards,
[22:49.960 -> 22:51.960] if you know, you probably know him.
[22:51.960 -> 22:53.560] And he'd seen the crash and he said,
[22:53.560 -> 22:55.440] let me guess, you tried it flat.
[22:55.440 -> 22:58.000] And I went, yeah, it didn't work.
[22:58.000 -> 23:00.400] But I basically just expected,
[23:00.400 -> 23:01.760] bearing in mind that was the first time of the week
[23:01.760 -> 23:03.840] and I'd ever tried it flat.
[23:03.840 -> 23:06.600] And I sort of expected a certain level of push from the car
[23:06.600 -> 23:09.200] because I hadn't made the car pitch with a lift.
[23:09.200 -> 23:10.760] So normally when you sort of lift,
[23:10.760 -> 23:12.000] the weight transfer goes to the front
[23:12.000 -> 23:13.100] and you pick up a bit of front grip
[23:13.100 -> 23:15.740] or a bit of aero balance and the car turns in a bit more.
[23:15.740 -> 23:16.600] So me going flat,
[23:16.600 -> 23:20.560] I didn't expect to have that load transfer as much.
[23:20.560 -> 23:22.200] So I sort of turned in a bit,
[23:22.200 -> 23:23.360] just a little bit earlier
[23:23.360 -> 23:25.540] expecting to get a bit more understeer
[23:25.540 -> 23:27.420] and the car just turned in.
[23:27.420 -> 23:29.940] And I was too tight to the inside wall then.
[23:29.940 -> 23:31.120] And I was like, well,
[23:31.120 -> 23:33.100] this is all like obviously in a split second,
[23:33.100 -> 23:35.580] I have a lift and lose the lap
[23:35.580 -> 23:37.220] and maybe finish, you know,
[23:37.220 -> 23:39.320] God knows where because everyone's improving
[23:39.320 -> 23:42.120] or just hope I skim that wall and get away a bit.
[23:42.120 -> 23:43.160] And it broke the end plate,
[23:43.160 -> 23:45.200] which got stuck underneath the car and
[23:49.840 -> 23:50.920] Rest is history. Was it I thought it was like a sausage curb or something that you hit and it is that was the second part so it
[23:50.920 -> 23:54.000] So when you watch the video, it's easy to sort of look at it and go
[23:54.000 -> 23:56.880] Well, I just like hit the curb and took off the camera angle changes
[23:56.880 -> 23:58.960] It was the left part that was the issue
[23:58.960 -> 24:01.560] So I basically turned in clip the arm co on the inside
[24:01.760 -> 24:05.440] But the there's like this curb that's sort of adjacent to it.
[24:05.440 -> 24:07.240] And it's very small, but it's like enough
[24:07.240 -> 24:09.120] that the front wing just got wedged
[24:09.120 -> 24:12.000] between the arm coat and the curb and it ripped it off.
[24:12.000 -> 24:14.800] And the front wing just got stuck underneath the car then.
[24:14.800 -> 24:16.160] So I just was like skateboard.
[24:16.160 -> 24:17.300] So I just lost all my steering.
[24:17.300 -> 24:19.440] So then went straight into the second part of the curb
[24:19.440 -> 24:20.600] and into the wall.
[24:20.600 -> 24:22.520] I've had a car crash when I was a kid,
[24:22.520 -> 24:23.880] but I didn't see it coming.
[24:23.880 -> 24:24.700] It was behind us.
[24:24.700 -> 24:25.960] I don't know if you've had a car crash. I've been in one when I was younger, it coming. It was behind us. I don't know if you've had a car crash.
[24:25.960 -> 24:27.360] I've been in one when I was younger, yeah.
[24:27.360 -> 24:28.480] It came straight in front of us.
[24:28.480 -> 24:29.480] I mean, everything's so quick,
[24:29.480 -> 24:30.840] but do you have like a second
[24:30.840 -> 24:31.960] to even think about what's going on?
[24:31.960 -> 24:33.680] No, that's the thing, that's what I was gonna say.
[24:33.680 -> 24:35.040] Like, I was in the wall
[24:35.040 -> 24:37.040] before I'd even realized what had happened.
[24:37.040 -> 24:38.120] Like, bearing in mind,
[24:38.120 -> 24:39.440] I don't know how fast we're going now.
[24:39.440 -> 24:41.920] I wanna say like about 120, 130 miles an hour.
[24:41.920 -> 24:42.740] That's enough.
[24:42.740 -> 24:44.720] Yeah, and it's hit the wall, on the curb,
[24:44.720 -> 24:45.560] in the wall, on the exit, like a skittle before you even's enough. Yeah, and it's hit the wall on the curb, in the wall on the exit,
[24:45.560 -> 24:47.440] like a skittle before you even know it.
[24:47.440 -> 24:48.520] And it's funny,
[24:48.520 -> 24:49.720] cause it's not funny now actually,
[24:49.720 -> 24:51.680] but when you watch it back,
[24:51.680 -> 24:53.640] you see me, I've destroyed the car at this point.
[24:53.640 -> 24:55.040] I've had the big crash in the wall
[24:55.040 -> 24:56.600] and the car had like side onto the camera
[24:56.600 -> 24:59.440] coming into the second part of the swimming pool
[24:59.440 -> 25:01.400] and I'm trying to correct it.
[25:01.400 -> 25:03.480] So you sort of see like, I'm still in the mindset.
[25:03.480 -> 25:04.320] Yeah, yeah.
[25:04.320 -> 25:06.680] Like I can save it, but it's just like, I'm still in the mindset. I'm like, I can save it, but it's just like,
[25:06.680 -> 25:08.520] I've like destroyed the car.
[25:08.520 -> 25:12.080] Like a couple of hundred grand's worth of damage.
[25:12.080 -> 25:14.320] And there's me thinking I can still save it.
[25:14.320 -> 25:15.520] So it's weird.
[25:15.520 -> 25:17.240] Like you just, your instincts take over
[25:17.240 -> 25:18.360] as a racing driver sometimes.
[25:18.360 -> 25:19.520] And it all happens so quick.
[25:19.520 -> 25:20.880] I didn't even take my hands off the wheel,
[25:20.880 -> 25:23.920] which when I think back to it now, it was probably.
[25:23.920 -> 25:25.320] Cause of no power steering, right?
[25:25.320 -> 25:26.520] Yeah, that could have.
[25:26.520 -> 25:29.000] Yeah, it could have snapped your wrist.
[25:29.000 -> 25:30.960] Yeah, but I don't know, to be honest,
[25:30.960 -> 25:31.800] I don't know how it didn't,
[25:31.800 -> 25:33.240] I don't know whether it flicked it back so hard
[25:33.240 -> 25:35.160] that it just ripped my hand off that I didn't even...
[25:35.160 -> 25:36.600] Yeah, it just happened in a moment,
[25:36.600 -> 25:37.840] you didn't really have a chance to think.
[25:37.840 -> 25:39.520] Because I grip the steering wheel quite light in general,
[25:39.520 -> 25:42.040] to be honest, so maybe that helped me, I don't know.
[25:42.040 -> 25:43.440] So were you injured?
[25:43.440 -> 25:46.440] Nothing, I literally, well, I had like this pressure bruise
[25:46.440 -> 25:47.560] almost like on the top of my knee,
[25:47.560 -> 25:49.860] I think where it smacked the inside of the steering column,
[25:49.860 -> 25:51.000] but nothing.
[25:51.000 -> 25:52.120] Man, that's lucky.
[25:52.120 -> 25:52.960] 30G.
[25:52.960 -> 25:54.360] 30G?
[25:54.360 -> 25:55.820] What happened straight after that?
[25:55.820 -> 25:58.880] So you've crashed, red flag, you get out of the car,
[25:58.880 -> 26:01.560] they carry the car back, you go back into the garage.
[26:01.560 -> 26:02.400] Yeah.
[26:02.400 -> 26:03.220] And then what?
[26:03.220 -> 26:04.840] Do you sit with your team and talk about what you?
[26:04.840 -> 26:05.960] Well, the first thing that happened was, I was still on the garage and then what? Do you sit with your team and talk about what you're doing? Well, the first thing that happened was
[26:05.960 -> 26:07.520] I was still on the radio and I asked,
[26:07.520 -> 26:10.760] did I finish, did I finish, where did I finish?
[26:10.760 -> 26:12.120] Was my first question,
[26:12.120 -> 26:14.440] because I was sure that it wasn't going to be restarted.
[26:14.440 -> 26:16.200] And I think at the time before I started the lap,
[26:16.200 -> 26:18.920] I'd seen on the TV that I was like fourth in group
[26:18.920 -> 26:20.000] or something like that.
[26:20.000 -> 26:24.160] So bearing in mind, we have reverse grid for top 10.
[26:24.160 -> 26:25.720] So there's me thinking, right,
[26:25.720 -> 26:28.280] please say I'm at least fourth or worst case fifth in group
[26:28.280 -> 26:30.520] because it's not gonna restart
[26:30.520 -> 26:31.880] and I'll be on pole the next day.
[26:31.880 -> 26:33.400] So that was the only thing I was worried about.
[26:33.400 -> 26:36.120] I was literally 20 seconds into the barrier
[26:36.120 -> 26:38.920] and I was on the radio saying, where did we finish?
[26:40.120 -> 26:42.600] And my engineer says, oh yeah, you finished fifth.
[26:42.600 -> 26:44.360] And it's weird, cause it's like,
[26:44.360 -> 26:46.680] you instantly think then, oh yeah, but the car's destroyed.
[26:46.680 -> 26:48.760] So maybe we're not going to make it tomorrow.
[26:48.760 -> 26:49.980] There was a small part of me that thought,
[26:49.980 -> 26:51.720] hang on, that's pole tomorrow.
[26:51.720 -> 26:54.580] In the sprint race, which it was.
[26:54.580 -> 26:56.600] But unfortunately, well,
[26:56.600 -> 26:58.320] I had to go to the medical center first.
[26:58.320 -> 27:00.480] And then the guys had an all-nighter, basically.
[27:00.480 -> 27:04.200] We got it ready about 40 minutes before
[27:04.200 -> 27:05.480] we were due to go onto the dummy grid.
[27:05.480 -> 27:10.080] And bearing in mind that was like midday on Friday and the race was like,
[27:10.080 -> 27:12.640] I want to say like 5pm, something like that, the next day.
[27:12.640 -> 27:15.440] So they had like 24, even 28, 29 hours.
[27:15.440 -> 27:16.960] Did the team hate you?
[27:16.960 -> 27:19.240] Well it got worse, didn't it?
[27:19.240 -> 27:24.920] Because the car was a complete brand new car, like it destroyed everything.
[27:24.920 -> 27:26.040] Was it all gone? Did you need like literally a whole new car? All of brand new car, like it destroyed everything. Was it all gone?
[27:26.040 -> 27:27.760] Did you leave literally a whole new car?
[27:27.760 -> 27:29.280] All of it, gone, finished.
[27:30.680 -> 27:32.560] So it literally built a whole new car from scratch.
[27:32.560 -> 27:33.400] I shouldn't laugh, should I?
[27:33.400 -> 27:34.560] This is quite serious stuff.
[27:34.560 -> 27:37.320] No, but it's, yeah, you shouldn't laugh,
[27:37.320 -> 27:38.160] but I know what you mean.
[27:38.160 -> 27:39.000] I know what you mean, yeah.
[27:39.000 -> 27:39.960] Got two mil views.
[27:39.960 -> 27:40.800] Two mil?
[27:40.800 -> 27:41.640] Yeah, two mil views, mate.
[27:41.640 -> 27:42.480] Oh, it's worth it.
[27:42.480 -> 27:45.840] Yeah, wish our game more followers, to be honest. But Oh, it's worth it. Yeah. Wish our game will follow us, to be honest.
[27:45.840 -> 27:48.920] But no, it's because it was a whole new car,
[27:48.920 -> 27:51.800] we, or at least how we do it in our team,
[27:51.800 -> 27:56.160] is our start procedure is the clutch map is set for me,
[27:56.160 -> 27:57.560] effectively, so we didn't have a chance,
[27:57.560 -> 27:58.680] Phil, the engineers didn't have a chance
[27:58.680 -> 28:00.200] to set the clutch up.
[28:00.200 -> 28:01.040] What do you mean by that?
[28:01.040 -> 28:02.040] Sorry, can you explain that?
[28:02.040 -> 28:04.440] So, basically, we have two clutch pedals
[28:04.440 -> 28:06.080] on the back of the steering wheel.
[28:06.080 -> 28:08.440] So we, at least now, I don't know if other teams
[28:08.440 -> 28:10.840] are different, but we don't hold the car
[28:10.840 -> 28:12.480] on the bike point at the start.
[28:12.480 -> 28:14.480] So the clutch paddle point is,
[28:14.480 -> 28:17.380] one of the clutch paddles is set to the bike point.
[28:17.380 -> 28:19.760] So you just press it and it's at the bike point already?
[28:19.760 -> 28:20.720] Yeah, effectively.
[28:20.720 -> 28:23.800] So I release a paddle and then it goes to the second paddle,
[28:23.800 -> 28:25.480] which is the bike point. But because the clutch was new, we didn't have a paddle and then it goes to the second paddle, which is the bite point.
[28:25.480 -> 28:27.760] But because the clutch was new,
[28:27.760 -> 28:30.600] we didn't have a chance to set it up in the right place.
[28:30.600 -> 28:33.400] So the first time we had a chance to see where it was,
[28:33.400 -> 28:36.400] was the race start on pole with Monaco and it stalled.
[28:38.000 -> 28:39.760] So yeah, that's what I said.
[28:44.760 -> 28:45.000] So they worked all night? I stalled on the grid. So whilst they work and what,
[28:45.000 -> 28:45.840] you just go back to hotel, chill out.
[28:45.840 -> 28:46.680] Yeah. I mean, I stayed for a bit.
[28:46.680 -> 28:47.500] I bought loads of ice creams and I've paid for the pizza,
[28:47.500 -> 28:48.340] obviously and stuff like that.
[28:48.340 -> 28:49.180] But it's, what can you say?
[28:49.180 -> 28:50.000] Like they're so flat out,
[28:50.000 -> 28:50.840] they don't even have a chance to take it in.
[28:50.840 -> 28:51.680] And then you get on pole and you're thinking, right,
[28:51.680 -> 28:52.500] we actually do have a quick car this weekend.
[28:52.500 -> 28:53.340] If we just get off the line in Monaco for a time,
[28:53.340 -> 28:54.180] one, we'll actually have a chance of winning, you know,
[28:54.180 -> 28:55.000] for a new team, for a new team in a year.
[28:55.000 -> 28:55.840] And then you get on the grid and you're like,
[28:55.840 -> 28:56.680] we're going to have a quick car this weekend.
[28:56.680 -> 28:57.500] And then you get on the grid and you're like,
[28:57.500 -> 28:58.340] we're going to have a quick car this weekend.
[28:58.340 -> 28:59.180] And then you get on the grid and you're like,
[28:59.180 -> 29:00.000] we're going to have a quick car this weekend.
[29:00.000 -> 29:00.840] And then you get on the grid and you're like,
[29:00.840 -> 29:01.680] we're going to have a quick car this weekend.
[29:01.680 -> 29:02.500] And then you get on the grid and you're like,
[29:02.500 -> 29:03.340] we're going to have a quick car this weekend.
[29:03.340 -> 29:04.180] And then you get on the grid and you're like,
[29:04.180 -> 29:05.880] we're going to have a quick car this weekend. And then you get on the grid and you're like, we're going to have a quick car this weekend. And then you get on the grid and you're like, we're going to have a quick car this weekend. If we just get off the line in Monaco for a term one,
[29:05.880 -> 29:08.840] we'll actually have a chance of winning, you know,
[29:08.840 -> 29:11.600] for a new team in its first year to get a win in Monaco
[29:11.600 -> 29:13.600] would be like unbelievable.
[29:13.600 -> 29:16.600] And for me in the car, it's like, I didn't really,
[29:16.600 -> 29:18.240] I don't want to say I didn't do anything wrong,
[29:18.240 -> 29:21.960] but it's like, it's not, how do I say?
[29:21.960 -> 29:23.920] It's not like I'm holding the car on the bike point.
[29:23.920 -> 29:28.640] It's like, I only realized it's wrong once it's wrong.
[29:28.640 -> 29:29.480] If that makes sense?
[29:29.480 -> 29:32.660] Once the clutch pedal's gone and the engine's dead.
[29:32.660 -> 29:34.400] At that point, it's like, well, yeah,
[29:34.400 -> 29:35.240] it's in the wrong place,
[29:35.240 -> 29:37.040] but we don't know that until we try it.
[29:37.040 -> 29:39.320] So that's, I don't know how other teams do it,
[29:39.320 -> 29:41.000] but that's the way we do it.
[29:41.000 -> 29:42.400] And it costs us that day.
[29:42.400 -> 29:43.520] Should we give a disclaimer?
[29:43.520 -> 29:46.080] If any other teams try and copy that we'll sue them?
[29:46.080 -> 29:51.120] I think most teams have a similar procedure to be honest.
[29:51.120 -> 29:55.120] We always wonder what we can ask drivers and people in case they give away information that's secret.
[29:55.120 -> 29:59.680] No I mean I wouldn't say that that's not even secret, we do have a different sort of in detail
[29:59.680 -> 30:07.000] different way to do it as well, it's much more detailed than that but that's the sort of quick way to do it as well. It's much more detailed than that, but that's the quick way to explain.
[30:07.000 -> 30:19.560] I've got an amazing question. Go on. Amazing question. Go on. When they're on TV and in
[30:19.560 -> 30:24.040] the radio or whatever they're like, we're doing plan A or plan B or plan C, what on
[30:24.040 -> 30:25.580] earth do these plans mean? For F1 you mean? Well for anything, will that be when they're like, we're doing plan A or plan B or plan C, what on earth do these plans mean?
[30:25.580 -> 30:26.420] What, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what,
[30:26.420 -> 30:27.240] what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what,
[30:27.240 -> 30:28.080] what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what,
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[30:38.080 -> 30:38.920] what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what,
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[30:39.740 -> 30:40.580] what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what,
[30:40.580 -> 30:49.800] what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, set for us really and we're kind of only really playing with a bit of tyre life but also sort of overcuts versus undercuts. So let's say plan A could be that you pit on lap seven
[30:49.800 -> 30:55.100] when the pit window opens in F2 speak and that you go on a longer stint on the prime
[30:55.100 -> 31:00.920] tyre, the harder tyre. Plan B could be that the soft is working quite well, better than
[31:00.920 -> 31:05.180] we expected in the first six laps. Normally we were planning to pit plan A lap seven,
[31:05.180 -> 31:07.600] but now we're going to extend like to lap 12 or whatever,
[31:07.600 -> 31:09.400] whatever, however long the soft tires last.
[31:09.400 -> 31:11.060] So they might say to the driver, right,
[31:11.060 -> 31:13.400] plan B extending four or five laps.
[31:13.400 -> 31:15.400] And they, at that point, we're just on the radio,
[31:15.400 -> 31:17.560] almost every lap saying how the tires, the tire,
[31:17.560 -> 31:20.640] because if it drops off at that point,
[31:20.640 -> 31:22.520] you can't afford it really drops off.
[31:22.520 -> 31:27.400] Like, especially the soft tire in F2 or the softer tire, whatever weekend is in F2,
[31:27.400 -> 31:29.280] it's like seconds a lap.
[31:29.280 -> 31:31.680] So you can't afford to get that one lap late.
[31:31.680 -> 31:34.360] So you're literally, if you're extending that stint
[31:34.360 -> 31:36.960] because you want to overcut the guys who have pitted early,
[31:36.960 -> 31:38.360] because it's different to F1 as well
[31:38.360 -> 31:41.440] in the sense that we don't have tire warmers.
[31:41.440 -> 31:42.800] So in F1, they come out of the pits
[31:42.800 -> 31:44.560] and they're on warm tires.
[31:44.560 -> 31:46.120] We come out of the pits and we're on cold tires.
[31:46.120 -> 31:47.800] Next year, they don't though, do they?
[31:47.800 -> 31:49.480] I don't know if it's next year or if it's,
[31:49.480 -> 31:50.320] yeah, it might be right.
[31:50.320 -> 31:51.160] I know that they're removing.
[31:51.160 -> 31:52.160] Yeah, they're getting rid of them, aren't they?
[31:52.160 -> 31:53.000] Which is gonna be really weird.
[31:53.000 -> 31:54.280] Is that gonna make a massive difference?
[31:54.280 -> 31:55.120] Massive.
[31:55.120 -> 31:56.960] Really, what's that gonna do?
[31:56.960 -> 32:00.520] So imagine now, like the outlap of a guy in F1
[32:00.520 -> 32:02.600] that's just pitted is now on new tires.
[32:02.600 -> 32:05.280] So he's going, in theory, quicker.
[32:05.280 -> 32:07.640] The guy that he's racing is now on his in-lap
[32:07.640 -> 32:11.080] on older tires, so his out-lap should be quicker
[32:11.080 -> 32:13.600] than his in-lap, so he makes up a bit of time there,
[32:13.600 -> 32:15.800] and that's why they call it the undercut.
[32:15.800 -> 32:18.920] And the overcut is the opposite, you go longer,
[32:18.920 -> 32:21.480] and when you hope that, let's say you were behind a car
[32:21.480 -> 32:24.440] and you were getting dirty air, he pits, you go longer,
[32:24.440 -> 32:25.120] use the overcut, because you've got inherent pace in the car, use were getting dirty air, he pits, you go longer, use the overcut
[32:25.120 -> 32:26.760] because you've got inherent pace in the car,
[32:26.760 -> 32:30.000] use the lap times to overcut him, pit later.
[32:30.000 -> 32:33.960] But in F2, which then will be the case in F1,
[32:33.960 -> 32:35.600] it's not that the overcut works
[32:35.600 -> 32:36.680] more than the undercut sometimes,
[32:36.680 -> 32:38.360] but you imagine it's the opposite now.
[32:38.360 -> 32:40.360] So the outlap of the guys that are pitted
[32:40.360 -> 32:41.880] are on stone cold tires,
[32:41.880 -> 32:44.760] whereas the guy that is doing the overcut
[32:44.760 -> 32:46.520] is on an inl lap on hot tires.
[32:46.520 -> 32:48.920] So even though they're older, they're hotter.
[32:48.920 -> 32:50.280] And how long will it take them on them
[32:50.280 -> 32:51.360] when they come out on them tires,
[32:51.360 -> 32:52.520] you think to have it warm?
[32:52.520 -> 32:53.440] Two laps.
[32:53.440 -> 32:55.880] You need a good two and you can't go like full throttle
[32:55.880 -> 32:56.720] how you normally would.
[32:56.720 -> 32:58.840] No, no, you overslip it, you'll lock up,
[32:58.840 -> 32:59.920] you'll you lose traction.
[32:59.920 -> 33:02.120] Yeah, and then your stint is like
[33:02.120 -> 33:04.400] knocked on for like forever then.
[33:04.400 -> 33:07.080] I remember one of the first teams I joined with in GP3
[33:07.080 -> 33:09.520] said that a Pirelli tire has like history
[33:09.520 -> 33:12.640] from its moment it sets out of the pit lane.
[33:12.640 -> 33:16.720] So if you, yeah, take the Mick with it
[33:16.720 -> 33:19.040] in its first lap or first two laps,
[33:19.040 -> 33:21.920] it will be that way for its life almost.
[33:21.920 -> 33:24.460] So it's quite hard to recover it effectively,
[33:24.460 -> 33:25.480] especially if you're not stopping,
[33:25.480 -> 33:27.560] which in a race you can't really afford to do.
[33:27.560 -> 33:29.640] Like you can't just drive out the pits,
[33:29.640 -> 33:31.920] realize you've overdone it two or three laps
[33:31.920 -> 33:33.440] into the thin right, let's pop box now
[33:33.440 -> 33:35.120] because that ruins your race obviously.
[33:35.120 -> 33:36.840] So you will have to be careful with it.
[33:36.840 -> 33:37.680] And you sort of see,
[33:37.680 -> 33:39.280] because I think the tire blankets have been brought down
[33:39.280 -> 33:41.920] in temperature this year for F1.
[33:41.920 -> 33:42.760] Oh, maybe you're right.
[33:42.760 -> 33:44.720] Maybe next year bringing the temperature down a bit more
[33:44.720 -> 33:45.560] in the year after. I don't know, I actually think you might be right. Or they maybe you're right. Maybe next year bringing the temperature down a bit more in the year after.
[33:45.560 -> 33:46.800] I don't know, I actually think you might be right.
[33:46.800 -> 33:48.280] Or they're going next year.
[33:48.280 -> 33:49.120] Something like that.
[33:49.120 -> 33:49.960] Yeah, it's something like that.
[33:49.960 -> 33:51.680] Something next year or the year after, I think.
[33:51.680 -> 33:53.400] But I think they brought the blankets down
[33:53.400 -> 33:54.600] in temperature a little bit this year.
[33:54.600 -> 33:56.560] So you even hear them a little bit this year
[33:56.560 -> 33:59.760] talking about like, treat them carefully on the out lap.
[33:59.760 -> 34:01.360] But they can't afford to go slowly.
[34:01.360 -> 34:03.800] How about, will that be the same from,
[34:03.800 -> 34:04.620] you know when they are on the grid
[34:04.620 -> 34:05.760] and they do formation lap? Yeah. Will they have no tyre warmers there? So when they go off for to go slowly. How about, will that be the same from, you know when they are on the grid and they do formation lap?
[34:05.760 -> 34:06.600] Yeah.
[34:06.600 -> 34:07.660] Will they have no tyre warmers there?
[34:07.660 -> 34:09.460] So when they go off for the formation lap.
[34:09.460 -> 34:10.300] Didn't think about that, but yeah.
[34:10.300 -> 34:11.620] Yeah, I was just thinking that.
[34:11.620 -> 34:12.820] Yeah, I didn't think about that, but no.
[34:12.820 -> 34:13.820] That's going to change everything
[34:13.820 -> 34:15.820] because people are going to make way more mistakes, surely.
[34:15.820 -> 34:17.220] I don't see, this is going to come back to bite me now,
[34:17.220 -> 34:18.060] isn't it?
[34:18.060 -> 34:18.880] Cause I'm going to say, I'm going to say no.
[34:18.880 -> 34:20.580] And I'm going to first race of the year in Bahrain
[34:20.580 -> 34:21.420] or wherever it is,
[34:21.420 -> 34:23.460] I'm going to see tyre blankets on the car.
[34:23.460 -> 34:25.100] People are going to clip this up and send it to me.
[34:25.100 -> 34:25.940] At least it won't be our fault.
[34:25.940 -> 34:26.780] No, it is interesting.
[34:26.780 -> 34:27.980] It's definitely interesting.
[34:27.980 -> 34:30.020] I wonder if it will affect the start of the race or not.
[34:30.020 -> 34:32.020] I mean, they get the formation lap to warm them up, right?
[34:32.020 -> 34:33.380] Yeah, and you get the installation.
[34:33.380 -> 34:35.100] So at the moment, they have, I don't know how,
[34:35.100 -> 34:36.300] they have like a certain amount of time,
[34:36.300 -> 34:38.860] the pit lanes open to do what we call installation laps.
[34:38.860 -> 34:40.780] So they go out and check the car or whatever,
[34:40.780 -> 34:42.980] but us in F2, we only have two laps.
[34:42.980 -> 34:45.560] So we only get one for feature race
[34:45.560 -> 34:46.760] when we want to use both compounds.
[34:46.760 -> 34:49.300] We tend to do one installation up on one compound
[34:49.300 -> 34:50.860] and one installation up on the other.
[34:50.860 -> 34:53.060] So we only get one lap of warmup effectively
[34:53.060 -> 34:54.520] on each compound.
[34:54.520 -> 34:57.160] F1, I mean, I don't know how they're going to do that
[34:57.160 -> 34:58.760] because they could have two pit stops,
[34:58.760 -> 35:00.320] even three pit stops in a race.
[35:00.320 -> 35:03.360] So they might have tires that they've done
[35:03.360 -> 35:07.680] two free installation apps on to start the race and the rest of them never driven in their race, so they might have tires that they've done two free installation laps on to start the race and the rest are never driven
[35:07.680 -> 35:10.960] in their life, never, it's brand new.
[35:10.960 -> 35:14.200] And go out the pits and they're not working, basically.
[35:14.200 -> 35:16.120] Blimey, that's gonna change the dynamic of everything.
[35:16.120 -> 35:16.960] It's gonna be so different.
[35:16.960 -> 35:19.120] And that's what it's been like in F2 forever,
[35:19.120 -> 35:19.960] there's never been.
[35:19.960 -> 35:21.240] Yeah, we've never had tire blankets, yeah.
[35:21.240 -> 35:22.080] Wow.
[35:22.080 -> 35:23.760] F3 either, you don't, I think the only place
[35:23.760 -> 35:25.980] you really get tire blankets is in F1 these days.
[35:25.980 -> 35:26.820] Yeah.
[35:26.820 -> 35:27.660] I think every-
[35:27.660 -> 35:30.360] Would you say like F2, F3 is more like driving in like a,
[35:30.360 -> 35:32.300] I feel like you'd be more in tune with the car
[35:32.300 -> 35:33.620] cause you haven't got power steering.
[35:33.620 -> 35:34.460] Yeah.
[35:34.460 -> 35:35.280] You haven't got tire blankets.
[35:35.280 -> 35:37.660] Like, do you feel more connected to the car?
[35:37.660 -> 35:38.980] Have you driven a Formula One car by the way?
[35:38.980 -> 35:39.820] No, I haven't actually.
[35:39.820 -> 35:40.660] No.
[35:40.660 -> 35:42.940] I drive the Sim for Mercedes, just a plug, but-
[35:42.940 -> 35:43.780] You're bad.
[35:43.780 -> 35:44.600] Yeah.
[35:44.600 -> 35:48.680] But no, that's the closest I've come to it.
[35:49.520 -> 35:51.120] On the sim it feels mega though.
[35:51.120 -> 35:53.240] Like, I can't imagine how it feels in reality,
[35:53.240 -> 35:54.080] to be honest.
[35:54.080 -> 35:54.900] Does the sim move?
[35:54.900 -> 35:56.120] I've seen those like hydraulic sims.
[35:56.120 -> 35:57.520] Yeah, like it does really.
[35:57.520 -> 35:59.560] Again, I can't really say too much.
[35:59.560 -> 36:01.160] I can't really say anything actually
[36:01.160 -> 36:02.600] about the Mercedes sim, but it's-
[36:02.600 -> 36:04.040] Don't worry, just gas in.
[36:04.040 -> 36:04.880] Yeah, exactly.
[36:04.880 -> 36:05.040] Just gas in for a day. I but it's um... Don't worry, just get us in. Yeah, exactly.
[36:05.040 -> 36:06.000] Just get us in for a day.
[36:06.000 -> 36:07.760] I think it's like, not...
[36:08.400 -> 36:10.880] So say there's 1500 people work for Mercedes in the company,
[36:10.880 -> 36:12.880] there's probably only like 50 people have seen the sim
[36:12.880 -> 36:14.080] or 100 people that have seen the sim.
[36:14.080 -> 36:15.120] Is that secret?
[36:15.120 -> 36:15.920] It's all secret, isn't it?
[36:15.920 -> 36:18.160] Yeah, I mean, that might be rubbish but I'm pretty sure it's...
[36:18.160 -> 36:18.960] You're one of them.
[36:18.960 -> 36:20.320] Yeah, I'm lucky mate.
[36:20.320 -> 36:21.760] Is that it when it's in the massive room
[36:21.760 -> 36:23.360] and the whole wall is like the screen?
[36:24.160 -> 36:25.960] Because I've seen I've seen Lewis
[36:26.800 -> 36:28.800] Sounded like you've been there now
[36:35.200 -> 36:39.480] Lewis they're not gonna sack Lewis so but see you can do a once but I have to be careful
[36:43.080 -> 36:47.000] It's impressive it's tens of millions, you know how much that how much it costs so that. It's impressive. It's tens of millions, how much it costs.
[36:47.000 -> 36:49.000] It's impressive, basically.
[36:49.000 -> 36:53.000] I mean, obviously I haven't driven the real car, so I can't say it feels realistic
[36:53.000 -> 36:55.000] because I haven't got the real car to compare to,
[36:55.000 -> 36:58.000] but I feel like it is quite realistic.
[36:58.000 -> 37:04.000] Has Formula 2 cars developed much into this year from last year?
[37:04.000 -> 37:06.160] Do they change year on year quite a lot?
[37:06.160 -> 37:06.980] No, not really.
[37:06.980 -> 37:10.820] So I think this car, generation of car since 2018.
[37:10.820 -> 37:13.320] So I think that was the George Russell won F2.
[37:13.320 -> 37:15.060] Lando and Alex Albon and these guys,
[37:15.060 -> 37:16.600] they were in F2 that year.
[37:16.600 -> 37:19.200] And they had the, then it was the 13 inch tire.
[37:20.240 -> 37:23.280] So F2 went to the big tire now, the 18 inch tire,
[37:23.280 -> 37:25.380] I think 2020.
[37:26.280 -> 37:28.200] So we were the first one to use it effectively,
[37:28.200 -> 37:29.320] or I was in F3 at the time,
[37:29.320 -> 37:32.080] but F2 were the first championship in the world
[37:32.080 -> 37:33.220] to use the eight, well, not the world,
[37:33.220 -> 37:36.420] but in F2, F1 to use it.
[37:36.420 -> 37:38.040] Yeah.
[37:38.040 -> 37:40.520] And I think, don't quote me on this,
[37:40.520 -> 37:42.880] but I think the reason for that was to sort of see
[37:42.880 -> 37:44.960] the trends of the tire for F1 a year later,
[37:44.960 -> 37:47.520] because F1 was supposed to go onto it in 2021.
[37:47.520 -> 37:48.640] Obviously COVID delayed it,
[37:48.640 -> 37:51.200] so now it's the first year this year on the tyre.
[37:52.200 -> 37:54.800] So that was the only real change, as far as my knowledge,
[37:54.800 -> 37:57.480] since 2018 that the F2 cars been through.
[37:57.480 -> 37:59.880] I didn't know the F2 cars were using the 18-inch tyres.
[37:59.880 -> 38:02.000] Yeah, it's so different to drive.
[38:02.000 -> 38:03.920] Like, I never drove it with the 13-inch,
[38:03.920 -> 38:06.760] but coming from F3 with the 13-inch to F2 with the 18-inch, I mean, obviously there's so different to drive. Like I never drove it with the 13 inch, but coming from F3 with the 13 inch
[38:06.760 -> 38:08.200] to F2 with the 18 inch,
[38:08.200 -> 38:09.680] I mean, obviously there's so much difference anyway.
[38:09.680 -> 38:10.520] It's a lot heavier.
[38:10.520 -> 38:12.920] It's got more than 200 horsepower more.
[38:12.920 -> 38:14.400] It's a turbo and these kinds of things,
[38:14.400 -> 38:15.800] carbon brakes as well.
[38:15.800 -> 38:17.120] But the tire is the biggest thing.
[38:17.120 -> 38:19.860] It feels so strange when you first jump into it.
[38:19.860 -> 38:23.360] It's like, we always talk in Pirelli world
[38:23.360 -> 38:26.520] about combined, like combined braking, combined traction,
[38:26.520 -> 38:28.220] that the tire doesn't like to do it.
[38:28.220 -> 38:30.080] Basically, that's the difficult part of it.
[38:30.080 -> 38:31.640] It doesn't like to do braking and turning
[38:31.640 -> 38:33.280] or turning and throttle together.
[38:33.280 -> 38:35.320] And you're always trying to play with that margin
[38:35.320 -> 38:36.340] as much as possible.
[38:36.340 -> 38:38.400] The 18 inch tire, when you go to that one,
[38:38.400 -> 38:39.640] is even more that way.
[38:39.640 -> 38:41.640] So it's very strong longitudinally,
[38:41.640 -> 38:43.160] like what we would call longitudinally,
[38:43.160 -> 38:45.060] so braking and straight line traction. But as soon as you sort of ask a bit, and what we would call longitudinally, so braking and straight line traction.
[38:45.060 -> 38:46.940] But as soon as you sort of ask a bit,
[38:46.940 -> 38:49.800] and what we call combined entry, so turn and braking,
[38:49.800 -> 38:51.700] it's so much weaker.
[38:51.700 -> 38:53.460] So you see a lockup.
[38:53.460 -> 38:55.420] Or you even lose the, in F2 you tend to lose,
[38:55.420 -> 38:57.280] yeah, you can, yeah, exactly, you can lock up the front,
[38:57.280 -> 38:59.660] but in F2, we tend to lose the rear quite often as well.
[38:59.660 -> 39:00.500] Yeah.
[39:00.500 -> 39:02.140] So it just can't, it just can't,
[39:02.140 -> 39:03.780] it doesn't have the support, basically.
[39:03.780 -> 39:05.720] Maybe it's through the difference in sidewall
[39:05.720 -> 39:07.520] or just the different profile of the course.
[39:07.520 -> 39:09.680] What size are the wheels in Formula E?
[39:09.680 -> 39:11.800] Well, that's a good question actually, I should know that.
[39:11.800 -> 39:12.640] They're quite big.
[39:12.640 -> 39:14.600] Yeah, they're not 13, they're definitely not 13 inch,
[39:14.600 -> 39:16.280] they're bigger, they're sort of around 18,
[39:16.280 -> 39:17.120] let's go with that.
[39:17.120 -> 39:17.960] Do you have pit stops in Formula E?
[39:17.960 -> 39:20.200] I was gonna say the same thing, what's a pit stop like?
[39:20.200 -> 39:23.560] But, well, you can, but your race is finished if you do.
[39:23.560 -> 39:24.960] Oh, so you don't want to pit?
[39:24.960 -> 39:26.280] No, you do not want to pit. If you're in the pit lane, your race is finished if you do. So no, you do not want to pit.
[39:26.280 -> 39:28.720] If you're in the pit lane, your race is finished.
[39:28.720 -> 39:29.560] It's literally finished.
[39:29.560 -> 39:30.380] How many laps?
[39:30.380 -> 39:31.220] How many laps do you have?
[39:31.220 -> 39:33.520] It's not a lap race, it's a time race.
[39:33.520 -> 39:34.360] Oh.
[39:34.360 -> 39:37.040] So that's, I mean, you might even see it sometimes tomorrow,
[39:37.040 -> 39:40.400] but it's always, so I'm listening on the radio
[39:40.400 -> 39:41.920] in the back of the garage, what's happening.
[39:41.920 -> 39:43.960] The teams are always talking about
[39:43.960 -> 39:46.960] how the pace of the race is, because if you're going,
[39:46.960 -> 39:49.200] if the pace of the race is like one second faster
[39:49.200 -> 39:52.000] over 30 odd laps, there's a chance that that means
[39:52.000 -> 39:54.160] you're going to do an extra lap because you're effective,
[39:54.160 -> 39:56.940] because it comes down from 45 minutes plus one lap.
[39:56.940 -> 40:00.280] So if you get to that 45 minutes a bit quicker,
[40:00.280 -> 40:02.200] you've added a lap effectively,
[40:02.200 -> 40:04.720] but you've got the same amount of energy from start.
[40:04.720 -> 40:05.700] So that means all of us,
[40:05.700 -> 40:09.760] you have to know what the pace of the race is doing
[40:09.760 -> 40:11.520] for how many laps you're going to get.
[40:11.520 -> 40:13.360] Because if you get it wrong,
[40:13.360 -> 40:15.400] you're going to think the race has ended there
[40:15.400 -> 40:16.520] and actually it hasn't.
[40:16.520 -> 40:18.040] It's one lap more.
[40:18.040 -> 40:21.360] And you see some guys just concave basically in the last lap
[40:21.360 -> 40:22.720] because they thought it was a 39 lap race,
[40:22.720 -> 40:23.920] but actually it was a 40 lap race.
[40:23.920 -> 40:26.240] I swear I've seen a clip in Formula E.
[40:26.240 -> 40:27.320] Might have been recent.
[40:27.320 -> 40:28.760] You probably saw it in Valencia last year.
[40:28.760 -> 40:30.200] Where they kept going, all their batteries died.
[40:30.200 -> 40:31.040] They all died.
[40:31.040 -> 40:32.600] Yeah, I've seen that, all the cars around.
[40:32.600 -> 40:34.400] It was only us actually, Mercedes, that got it right.
[40:34.400 -> 40:36.720] So we were like, I can't remember where we were,
[40:36.720 -> 40:40.120] in like, let's say, arguably sixth, seventh, eighth area.
[40:40.120 -> 40:41.440] And I think we finished first, second,
[40:41.440 -> 40:42.280] or at least first.
[40:42.280 -> 40:44.400] Yeah, I remember it, just all the cars at the front
[40:44.400 -> 40:45.800] just died like one after the other or something. Yeah, I think there was first, second, or at least first. Yeah, I remember it. Just all the cars at the front just died, like one after the other or something.
[40:45.800 -> 40:48.480] Yeah, I think there was a late safety car or something,
[40:48.480 -> 40:50.240] which added a lap.
[40:50.240 -> 40:51.080] Yeah.
[40:51.080 -> 40:52.480] Because the, no, hang on, it wouldn't be,
[40:52.480 -> 40:55.160] anyway, it's something to do with safety car screwed it.
[40:55.160 -> 40:57.080] And then we were, yeah,
[40:57.080 -> 40:59.240] we were the only ones that traced it, right?
[40:59.240 -> 41:01.400] So, or predicted it early enough that we change,
[41:01.400 -> 41:02.880] cause you can change what we have to do.
[41:02.880 -> 41:05.660] We have to change the laps in the car on the steering wheel.
[41:05.660 -> 41:09.840] So the team will say, oh, we think it's a 40 lap race now.
[41:09.840 -> 41:11.780] Currently in the car, it's a 39 lap race,
[41:11.780 -> 41:15.600] which is stretching out the 52 kilowatts of energy
[41:15.600 -> 41:17.260] equally over 39 laps.
[41:17.260 -> 41:19.480] But now it's got to be stretched over 40 laps.
[41:19.480 -> 41:22.420] So that means you've actually got less energy per lap to use.
[41:22.420 -> 41:25.580] So the earlier you make that change,
[41:25.580 -> 41:28.880] you get more energy for those laps, if that makes sense,
[41:28.880 -> 41:30.120] than after you make the change.
[41:30.120 -> 41:32.080] If you make it on the last lap,
[41:32.080 -> 41:33.920] if you change that, if you realize with like,
[41:33.920 -> 41:36.000] on the one lap to go or two laps to go,
[41:36.000 -> 41:38.120] that it's actually plus one lap,
[41:38.120 -> 41:39.860] you're almost too late at that point
[41:39.860 -> 41:42.460] because your amount of energy left is so little
[41:42.460 -> 41:45.520] that you'll lose 10 seconds a lap, basically.
[41:45.520 -> 41:48.960] So you have to drive bearing that in mind, or do you?
[41:48.960 -> 41:49.800] Yes and no.
[41:49.800 -> 41:51.080] Like there's some things we have to bear in mind,
[41:51.080 -> 41:53.680] but the drivers tend, about laps, things like that,
[41:53.680 -> 41:55.160] the drivers get told when to change it.
[41:55.160 -> 41:57.920] Because we also don't know, like,
[41:57.920 -> 42:00.180] we can't see the lap, the time accounting down
[42:00.180 -> 42:01.020] for the race timer.
[42:01.020 -> 42:03.280] So yeah, the team has to make that decision.
[42:03.280 -> 42:08.160] It sounds very technical, Formula E. It's honestly, I mean, I've sat in debriefs of formula one
[42:08.160 -> 42:11.360] because of doing race support for Mercedes.
[42:11.360 -> 42:14.640] I love it, it's so sick of you to say that by the way.
[42:14.640 -> 42:15.560] It's so leg.
[42:15.560 -> 42:18.560] No, but seriously, I've sat in debriefs
[42:18.560 -> 42:21.280] and heard like Lewis, I've got name dropping.
[42:21.280 -> 42:22.480] No, do it, do it, do it.
[42:22.480 -> 42:23.680] Honestly, this is good.
[42:23.680 -> 42:25.840] So I've heard them debrief before and stuff like that.
[42:25.840 -> 42:27.280] And you know, there's a certain level of detail
[42:27.280 -> 42:29.320] to it clearly, but honestly,
[42:29.320 -> 42:31.480] it's nothing on Formula E debriefs.
[42:31.480 -> 42:32.640] The amount you have to talk about,
[42:32.640 -> 42:33.880] because in Formula One,
[42:33.880 -> 42:36.000] and especially if I talk about my championship
[42:36.000 -> 42:38.400] in Formula Two, you tend to talk about it like balance,
[42:38.400 -> 42:41.240] like tyre warmup or like understeer versus oversteer.
[42:41.240 -> 42:43.880] You have that here, like balance and tyre warmup
[42:43.880 -> 42:48.560] and things like that and brake warmup. But then you have the energy management side added on, which is like 80%
[42:48.560 -> 42:54.320] of the workload. So by the time you've even talked about your balance for the setup balance,
[42:54.320 -> 42:58.960] like understeer versus oversteer, these kind of things, that is like not minor, but it's
[42:58.960 -> 43:04.040] the amount of work that has to go on to set up the car for it's what we call EMS and engine
[43:04.040 -> 43:07.640] management system is like days, weeks even.
[43:07.640 -> 43:08.680] Wow. That's insane.
[43:08.680 -> 43:10.920] And you have to go through that after a race.
[43:10.920 -> 43:12.360] Yeah, I mean, well, that's what I was just doing now
[43:12.360 -> 43:13.180] before I headed over here.
[43:13.180 -> 43:15.520] We did a debrief of the race
[43:15.520 -> 43:17.320] and we'd look through the way the race planned out
[43:17.320 -> 43:18.960] on the race trace and sort of see
[43:18.960 -> 43:20.320] where everyone used the tack mode
[43:20.320 -> 43:21.400] because that's the other thing.
[43:21.400 -> 43:22.240] Then you've got a tack mode,
[43:22.240 -> 43:24.360] which is like obviously a bit Mario Kart-ish.
[43:24.360 -> 43:25.800] Is that like DRS sort of?
[43:25.800 -> 43:28.000] No, you don't see Mario Kart either.
[43:28.000 -> 43:28.840] Mario Kart.
[43:28.840 -> 43:29.680] Attack mode.
[43:29.680 -> 43:31.520] I thought you were saying Mario Kart.
[43:31.520 -> 43:32.680] Yeah, I was saying Mario Kart.
[43:32.680 -> 43:33.680] Not seeing attack mode?
[43:33.680 -> 43:34.520] No, no.
[43:34.520 -> 43:35.360] Explain.
[43:35.360 -> 43:36.800] You're gonna be in for a treat when you go tomorrow.
[43:36.800 -> 43:37.920] Mate, we're buzzing.
[43:37.920 -> 43:41.760] This is like the best VIP experience before going to it.
[43:41.760 -> 43:43.480] I personally think you'll love Formula E.
[43:43.480 -> 43:46.080] To be honest, if I was watching as a fan,
[43:46.080 -> 43:47.560] I would really like to watch it
[43:47.560 -> 43:49.380] because it's carnage, basically.
[43:49.380 -> 43:51.680] But they have this area of the track
[43:51.680 -> 43:55.480] and it's basically it's like an outside normally
[43:55.480 -> 43:57.760] of a corner where you have like these two painted lines
[43:57.760 -> 44:00.680] and three loops, like timing loops almost,
[44:00.680 -> 44:02.000] laid into the track.
[44:02.000 -> 44:05.120] And basically you have to use attack mode twice or even sometimes once, but the FIA will basically, you have to use attack mode twice,
[44:05.120 -> 44:06.960] or even sometimes once,
[44:06.960 -> 44:09.280] but the FIA will decide how many times to use it
[44:09.280 -> 44:10.120] before the race starts.
[44:10.120 -> 44:11.640] The FIA do formally as well?
[44:11.640 -> 44:12.760] Yeah, yeah.
[44:12.760 -> 44:14.960] So typically what happens, let's say,
[44:14.960 -> 44:17.040] the FIA about an hour before the race will say,
[44:17.040 -> 44:19.080] oh, two times attack mode activations in the race,
[44:19.080 -> 44:20.200] four minutes long.
[44:20.200 -> 44:23.440] So that means each driver's got to use attack mode twice
[44:23.440 -> 44:25.240] for four minutes. So what happens is, the engineer will tell the to use attack mode twice for four minutes.
[44:25.240 -> 44:28.240] So what happens is the engineer will tell the driver,
[44:28.240 -> 44:32.040] attack mode this lap, and say it's into a hairpin.
[44:32.040 -> 44:33.920] So you'll take the normal apex,
[44:33.920 -> 44:35.180] it's deep into the corner,
[44:35.180 -> 44:37.060] these lines on the outside of the corner.
[44:37.060 -> 44:40.720] So you have to go far onto the outside line, basically,
[44:40.720 -> 44:41.760] run over the loops,
[44:41.760 -> 44:43.180] press a button before you get to the loops
[44:43.180 -> 44:44.160] on the steering wheel.
[44:44.160 -> 44:46.520] The car drives over each three loops
[44:46.520 -> 44:48.840] and it triggers attack mode, which is more power,
[44:48.840 -> 44:50.400] which is literally like Mario Kart.
[44:50.400 -> 44:51.240] You'd be good with that
[44:51.240 -> 44:52.060] with all the oversteer that you get.
[44:52.060 -> 44:52.900] Yeah.
[44:52.900 -> 44:55.040] All the time I spend on the track, yeah.
[44:55.040 -> 44:55.880] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[44:55.880 -> 44:57.520] But it's, I guess like,
[44:57.520 -> 44:58.560] I never stopped to think about it,
[44:58.560 -> 45:00.160] but like, I suppose Formula E is still,
[45:00.160 -> 45:01.400] is definitely still growing.
[45:01.400 -> 45:04.240] So like guys like you don't know what attack mode is.
[45:04.240 -> 45:05.280] I'm so used to it now.
[45:05.280 -> 45:08.800] Like, I suppose it is such an eye opener.
[45:08.800 -> 45:09.640] Like when you-
[45:09.640 -> 45:11.680] You probably never heard anything like it actually
[45:11.680 -> 45:12.520] in race times.
[45:12.520 -> 45:13.340] Pretty cool word, isn't it?
[45:13.340 -> 45:14.180] Attack mode.
[45:14.180 -> 45:15.020] Yeah.
[45:15.020 -> 45:16.580] So it's literally more power.
[45:16.580 -> 45:19.580] So you press a button before you get there,
[45:19.580 -> 45:20.440] drive over the loops
[45:20.440 -> 45:23.020] and the car has more power for four minutes.
[45:23.020 -> 45:25.680] So, and you have to use that strategically because like,
[45:25.680 -> 45:27.400] again, like it's a bit like a pit stop in some ways.
[45:27.400 -> 45:29.180] It's like undercut versus overcut.
[45:29.180 -> 45:31.480] Do you, do you let the car in front, take it,
[45:31.480 -> 45:32.720] then see if you can make a gap?
[45:32.720 -> 45:35.600] Obviously it's a bit harder to do that when the car behind
[45:35.600 -> 45:39.560] is effectively done as a pit stop, has now got more power.
[45:39.560 -> 45:42.280] So it's, there's so much, there's so much strategy to it.
[45:42.280 -> 45:46.800] But you can typically spend more energy in attack mode.
[45:46.800 -> 45:49.440] So, like, how do you do that?
[45:49.440 -> 45:51.200] Because you can choose to not spend more energy
[45:51.200 -> 45:53.920] in attack mode, but having more power
[45:53.920 -> 45:55.160] is the best way to make an overtake.
[45:55.160 -> 45:58.320] It's interesting talking about energy and all that stuff,
[45:58.320 -> 45:59.200] because I have a question,
[45:59.200 -> 46:01.800] which I want to be clear out from the F1 game.
[46:01.800 -> 46:05.100] It sounds so obvious, probably. But the first one is obviously the battery. Yeah. It sounds so obvious probably.
[46:05.100 -> 46:08.240] But the first one is obviously the battery.
[46:08.240 -> 46:09.080] Yeah.
[46:09.080 -> 46:09.900] How does all this stuff work?
[46:09.900 -> 46:10.740] In F1?
[46:10.740 -> 46:11.580] ER, that's ERS.
[46:11.580 -> 46:12.720] Is that when you brake?
[46:12.720 -> 46:13.560] In F1?
[46:13.560 -> 46:14.380] Yeah, that charges when you brake.
[46:14.380 -> 46:15.380] So it's just how you use the battery.
[46:15.380 -> 46:16.220] How you use this.
[46:16.220 -> 46:18.040] The battery, to be honest, I don't know as much
[46:18.040 -> 46:20.440] as like obviously the drivers themselves,
[46:20.440 -> 46:22.760] but you have a certain amount of battery
[46:22.760 -> 46:23.920] that they can use,
[46:23.920 -> 46:26.320] but they won't stretch over the lap,
[46:26.320 -> 46:28.720] let's say, so the best way to describe it is,
[46:28.720 -> 46:31.200] you can't be on it all the time, you can't have that boost
[46:31.200 -> 46:32.860] all the time, because it won't last the lap,
[46:32.860 -> 46:35.780] so they'll plan it or lay it out over the race,
[46:35.780 -> 46:38.300] so that effectively, it's most effective for lap time,
[46:38.300 -> 46:40.220] so typically what they'll do is they'll have the boost
[46:40.220 -> 46:42.720] on the exit of corners, this extra, yeah,
[46:42.720 -> 46:44.440] the extra hybrid power effectively,
[46:44.440 -> 46:47.440] and then you ever heard them say like D rates or clips
[46:47.440 -> 46:48.280] and things like that?
[46:48.280 -> 46:49.100] Like-
[46:49.100 -> 46:49.940] Yeah, I've never heard them say that.
[46:49.940 -> 46:50.780] Like you'll hear it now, I've mentioned it,
[46:50.780 -> 46:53.240] like Max and Lewis are quite often complaining about it.
[46:53.240 -> 46:55.200] Like I think in Mercedes it's D rates
[46:55.200 -> 46:57.560] and in Red Bull they call it clips.
[46:57.560 -> 47:00.440] But it just means that the battery's D rating.
[47:00.440 -> 47:02.880] So it's like, it's used its power for that straight
[47:02.880 -> 47:05.200] and it's automatically lost the battery,
[47:05.200 -> 47:07.360] the battery element of the hybrid system.
[47:07.360 -> 47:09.980] So now it's just on the engine for like a hundred meters
[47:09.980 -> 47:11.240] before the corner or something like that.
[47:11.240 -> 47:13.140] So you quite often, if you see the speed trace,
[47:13.140 -> 47:15.640] you know when they show up all the graphics in F1?
[47:15.640 -> 47:18.680] You'll see them build speed quite quickly.
[47:18.680 -> 47:19.600] And then towards the end of the straight,
[47:19.600 -> 47:22.120] sometimes you'll see them lose speed just before the corner
[47:22.120 -> 47:23.720] because that's the place on the lap
[47:23.720 -> 47:26.360] where you lose the least lap time. Is that, if that makes sense? So you'll win them lose speed just before the corner because that's the place on the lap where you lose the least lap time.
[47:26.360 -> 47:27.200] Is that, if that makes sense?
[47:27.200 -> 47:28.120] That makes sense, yeah.
[47:28.120 -> 47:29.640] You'll win the most lap time by having the power
[47:29.640 -> 47:31.640] on the exit of the corner, then at the end of the straight.
[47:31.640 -> 47:32.480] Right.
[47:32.480 -> 47:34.820] Is the battery just going to be bigger then when they,
[47:34.820 -> 47:36.760] and is it 2026, a new regulation,
[47:36.760 -> 47:38.120] they're changing to like lower energy or something?
[47:38.120 -> 47:39.880] I don't actually know too much about it, to be honest.
[47:39.880 -> 47:41.360] Because we have no idea what's happening.
[47:41.360 -> 47:44.080] I just know that they're changing to like lower energy.
[47:44.080 -> 47:45.240] It's got to be something similar though,
[47:45.240 -> 47:46.880] because I mean like,
[47:46.880 -> 47:48.920] I think the Porsche thing's about to be announced,
[47:48.920 -> 47:50.040] isn't it, with Red Bull?
[47:50.040 -> 47:52.360] And I think the reason why they're going with Red Bull
[47:52.360 -> 47:55.360] is because I don't think the engine rules
[47:55.360 -> 47:56.760] are changing like drastically,
[47:56.760 -> 47:59.040] at least for the internal combustion side of it.
[47:59.040 -> 48:01.160] So again, I could be talking rubbish.
[48:01.160 -> 48:02.520] I wasn't sure whether like Formula E
[48:02.520 -> 48:04.800] was gonna become like very electric as well.
[48:04.800 -> 48:06.120] Like Formula E. Formula E's only electric. Yeah, yeah. Formula E was going to become very electric as well. Formula E is only electric.
[48:06.120 -> 48:07.240] Oh, you mean Formula 1, sorry.
[48:07.240 -> 48:08.800] Yeah, sorry, Formula E is fully electric,
[48:08.800 -> 48:11.240] but I wasn't sure whether Formula 1 was going to go up.
[48:11.240 -> 48:12.440] I mean, I would never say never,
[48:12.440 -> 48:14.680] I'm not in these Concorde meetings, whatever they're called,
[48:14.680 -> 48:15.400] I'm not even going to...
[48:15.400 -> 48:16.320] That's the rubbish word, isn't it?
[48:16.320 -> 48:17.400] But yeah, it's-
[48:17.400 -> 48:18.200] Illuminati.
[48:18.200 -> 48:19.400] Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[48:19.400 -> 48:20.960] I'm not in the meetings,
[48:20.960 -> 48:25.960] but I don't feel like F1's on the radar to be fully electric anytime soon.
[48:25.960 -> 48:26.800] I was going to say, yeah.
[48:26.800 -> 48:27.640] Renewable energy is-
[48:27.640 -> 48:28.880] Like how does that even work?
[48:28.880 -> 48:31.440] I mean, the world is only going one way, fully electric.
[48:31.440 -> 48:33.280] Do you think Formula E will ever rise up
[48:33.280 -> 48:35.600] and be a bigger sport in a couple of years?
[48:35.600 -> 48:36.440] Than F1?
[48:36.440 -> 48:37.800] Maybe not bigger than F1.
[48:37.800 -> 48:38.640] Did you ever think it would be-
[48:38.640 -> 48:41.460] It should, hopefully it should keep growing.
[48:41.460 -> 48:43.200] I mean, I don't see why it shouldn't.
[48:43.200 -> 48:44.320] It's its own niche, really.
[48:44.320 -> 48:45.520] It definitely already has grown.
[48:45.520 -> 48:47.840] I didn't even know Formula E existed last year.
[48:47.840 -> 48:51.360] I seriously think COVID hurt it massively, Formula E,
[48:51.360 -> 48:54.160] because imagine it was in season six,
[48:54.160 -> 48:55.200] I think when COVID happened.
[48:55.200 -> 48:56.720] So it's only in its sixth season.
[48:56.720 -> 48:57.680] Oh, wow.
[48:57.680 -> 48:59.360] At that point, you've only had Mercedes in it
[48:59.360 -> 49:01.440] for one season, Porsche in it for one season,
[49:01.440 -> 49:03.640] I think Audi were in it for season three,
[49:03.640 -> 49:04.600] and these guys.
[49:04.600 -> 49:08.160] COVID hit, everyone is panicking, you know,
[49:08.160 -> 49:11.480] and some teams leave and fans aren't allowed at the tracks.
[49:11.480 -> 49:13.360] And it's just, it's all a bit messy.
[49:13.360 -> 49:15.200] You can't exactly go and race in city centers
[49:15.200 -> 49:17.040] when COVID was an issue,
[49:17.040 -> 49:18.680] because you can't have people roaming the streets
[49:18.680 -> 49:19.720] and stuff like that.
[49:19.720 -> 49:23.560] So it's niche, it's always been racing in like cool areas,
[49:23.560 -> 49:25.720] like New York and even Paris city center
[49:25.720 -> 49:28.400] and obviously here at the XL and these kinds of places.
[49:28.400 -> 49:30.440] So when COVID hit, they couldn't exactly go
[49:30.440 -> 49:32.820] and race in those places all the time.
[49:32.820 -> 49:35.500] So it lost its niche a little bit.
[49:35.500 -> 49:38.000] And now it's like, you know, you know, Formula One
[49:38.000 -> 49:39.840] on TV and you've been to Formula One events
[49:39.840 -> 49:40.720] and stuff like that.
[49:40.720 -> 49:42.700] When you come to a Formula E event, it's different.
[49:42.700 -> 49:45.020] It's like, you know, it is in the city. Everyone's buzzing around it. There's E event, it's different. It's like, you know, it is in the city,
[49:45.020 -> 49:46.200] everyone's buzzing around it.
[49:46.200 -> 49:48.120] There's just walls, it's temporary.
[49:48.120 -> 49:50.160] You know, there's quirks going on like attack mode
[49:50.160 -> 49:51.000] and stuff like that.
[49:51.000 -> 49:53.660] And the cars have crashing all the time
[49:53.660 -> 49:56.120] because there's no dirty air basically.
[49:56.120 -> 49:57.480] So, you know, like in Formula One,
[49:57.480 -> 49:59.080] the cars can't follow that well.
[49:59.080 -> 50:00.800] None of that here.
[50:00.800 -> 50:02.800] So the cars are literally nose to tail
[50:02.800 -> 50:03.640] for the whole race.
[50:03.640 -> 50:04.460] So different.
[50:04.460 -> 50:08.880] Yeah. So it's like, I really feel like hopefully now COVID's, you know,
[50:08.920 -> 50:12.520] finished so to speak that it can keep growing. Cause it was on a,
[50:12.520 -> 50:14.960] it was on a big trajectory before that. And I think,
[50:14.960 -> 50:18.600] I think those year and a half or one and a half seasons of COVID really affected
[50:18.600 -> 50:18.840] it.
[50:18.840 -> 50:22.480] Yeah. Was COVID really hard for you in that two year period or whatever,
[50:22.480 -> 50:24.040] like, cause you could not get to do anything.
[50:24.160 -> 50:25.940] It was, do you know, it's weird.
[50:25.940 -> 50:27.780] Cause I don't want to like,
[50:27.780 -> 50:29.500] people had it much worse than me, I'm sure.
[50:29.500 -> 50:31.740] So many people on planet earth had it much worse than me,
[50:31.740 -> 50:35.140] but it's weird being my position in junior formula,
[50:35.140 -> 50:36.940] trying to make a career for yourself,
[50:36.940 -> 50:39.100] because if it stopped,
[50:39.100 -> 50:41.100] if it all stopped for two or three years,
[50:41.100 -> 50:43.100] I'm screwed effectively,
[50:43.100 -> 50:44.420] because I can't just,
[50:44.420 -> 50:46.440] I don't have the money to just restart again.
[50:46.440 -> 50:47.280] Do you know what I mean?
[50:47.280 -> 50:49.260] I'm kind of having to prove myself as we go along.
[50:49.260 -> 50:51.760] So in 2020, when it stopped and then it,
[50:51.760 -> 50:55.340] and then thankfully restarted around sort of July time,
[50:55.340 -> 50:57.960] it was a bit stressful from March to July,
[50:57.960 -> 51:00.100] because if that season didn't start,
[51:00.100 -> 51:02.120] there's no guarantee that then I could have got the results
[51:02.120 -> 51:06.800] I then ended up getting to then keep getting people offering me drives.
[51:06.800 -> 51:07.280] Yeah, yeah.
[51:07.280 -> 51:07.840] Does that make sense?
[51:07.840 -> 51:08.240] Yeah, yeah.
[51:08.240 -> 51:14.160] So I needed that really. So it was stressful from that sense, but you know, to be honest,
[51:14.160 -> 51:16.000] apart from that, I quite enjoyed being at home for a little bit.
[51:16.000 -> 51:18.320] Yeah, do you get any new hobbies?
[51:18.320 -> 51:21.120] I tried learning German, mate, and it was impossible.
[51:21.120 -> 51:22.560] No way, I'd love to learn.
[51:22.560 -> 51:23.600] You should have learned the guitar.
[51:23.600 -> 51:25.080] I try, yeah.
[51:25.080 -> 51:26.040] Play Wonderwall.
[51:26.040 -> 51:29.720] No, but I tried learning German on Rosetta Stone.
[51:29.720 -> 51:31.040] Don't recommend it.
[51:31.040 -> 51:31.880] What's Rosetta Stone?
[51:31.880 -> 51:32.720] You never heard of Rosetta Stone?
[51:32.720 -> 51:35.860] Oh no, we tried, I tried Italian on Duolingo.
[51:35.860 -> 51:36.700] Oh, what?
[51:36.700 -> 51:37.520] No, I've not heard of that.
[51:37.520 -> 51:38.360] Nah, it must be something similar.
[51:38.360 -> 51:39.200] Oh, are these like apps?
[51:39.200 -> 51:40.320] Ridiculous, I was like, no.
[51:40.320 -> 51:42.160] I tried doing it for about a month
[51:42.160 -> 51:43.880] and it was just like, I'm not getting anywhere with it.
[51:43.880 -> 51:44.720] Really?
[51:44.720 -> 51:46.000] So yeah, because at that point I was like
[51:46.000 -> 51:47.400] racing for a German team.
[51:47.400 -> 51:48.960] Oh, okay. That makes sense then.
[51:48.960 -> 51:49.880] Yeah. And I was,
[51:49.880 -> 51:51.920] there was hints that I might start to be able to simulate
[51:51.920 -> 51:53.680] a work for the FE team and the F1 team.
[51:53.680 -> 51:55.880] Oh, sorry. I'd already started the F1 simulator work,
[51:55.880 -> 51:57.440] but that's a British team.
[51:57.440 -> 51:58.280] Yeah.
[51:58.280 -> 51:59.640] Like, you know, it's at Brackley.
[51:59.640 -> 52:02.640] So racing for a German team before, you know,
[52:02.640 -> 52:03.760] maybe if I learned German,
[52:03.760 -> 52:05.640] cause it was HWA, the team I raced for,
[52:05.640 -> 52:07.040] big company, it's like,
[52:07.040 -> 52:09.600] the guy that created it, created AMG.
[52:09.600 -> 52:11.600] So it's like, they go hand in hand together.
[52:11.600 -> 52:14.200] So if I'd done well, could know German,
[52:14.200 -> 52:15.640] maybe I could have done something with AMG.
[52:15.640 -> 52:16.920] That was the idea in my head anyway.
[52:16.920 -> 52:17.920] Yeah, that's cool.
[52:17.920 -> 52:20.600] So yeah, but it only lasted a month.
[52:20.600 -> 52:22.520] I think we spent the whole time playing Xbox.
[52:22.520 -> 52:23.640] I think probably, yeah.
[52:23.640 -> 52:25.620] Oh no, I wasn't even living with you, was I?
[52:25.620 -> 52:26.780] I was at home.
[52:26.780 -> 52:27.780] We didn't even see each other.
[52:27.780 -> 52:29.220] You went out on cycle rides every day.
[52:29.220 -> 52:30.600] Yeah, we cycled a lot.
[52:30.600 -> 52:31.580] Did you cycle a lot?
[52:31.580 -> 52:32.420] Yeah.
[52:32.420 -> 52:33.260] Because I cycled, it's great, wasn't it?
[52:33.260 -> 52:34.860] I actually, I wasn't supposed to,
[52:34.860 -> 52:36.140] but I met with a few friends
[52:36.140 -> 52:36.980] and we just went cycling together.
[52:36.980 -> 52:37.820] Fam!
[52:37.820 -> 52:39.740] Two meters apart, obviously.
[52:39.740 -> 52:41.620] Only when you were allowed.
[52:41.620 -> 52:43.700] I saw this hilarious TikTok the other day.
[52:43.700 -> 52:45.360] It was some lads in, I don't know where they were,
[52:45.360 -> 52:48.100] but it was from COVID times.
[52:48.100 -> 52:50.600] Policeman turns up and they're all like in this,
[52:50.600 -> 52:52.520] like 20 of them.
[52:52.520 -> 52:53.360] Policeman turns up,
[52:53.360 -> 52:54.880] they instantly started doing jumping jacks
[52:54.880 -> 52:56.560] and the high knees and stuff like that.
[52:56.560 -> 52:58.280] They were like pretending to do
[52:58.280 -> 53:00.640] an outside fitness session, yeah.
[53:00.640 -> 53:02.120] No, you've always been into bike
[53:02.120 -> 53:03.440] and we're going to get some mountain bikes, aren't we?
[53:03.440 -> 53:05.280] We're going to go take on the jumps. Whenever you want, mate. I'm up for it. Well, yeah, we're always been into biking. We're going to get some mountain bikes, aren't we? We're going to go take on the jumps.
[53:05.280 -> 53:06.400] Whenever you want, mate.
[53:06.400 -> 53:07.280] I'm up for it.
[53:07.280 -> 53:08.760] Well, yeah, we're going to do challenges.
[53:08.760 -> 53:10.760] I would say I'd love to do mountain biking.
[53:10.760 -> 53:12.320] I would, but I just can't.
[53:12.320 -> 53:13.160] Have you ever done it?
[53:13.160 -> 53:14.360] Yeah, I've done bits and pieces,
[53:14.360 -> 53:16.320] but there's certain things I'm not allowed to do
[53:16.320 -> 53:18.200] in my contract, believe it or not.
[53:18.200 -> 53:19.040] What, in case you get hurt?
[53:19.040 -> 53:20.320] If there's a certain sport that you can do
[53:20.320 -> 53:22.200] where you're going to hurt yourself, it's mountain biking.
[53:22.200 -> 53:23.040] That's the thing.
[53:23.040 -> 53:24.720] So that's actually not in my contract specifically.
[53:24.720 -> 53:25.560] Brilliant, we'll do it.
[53:25.560 -> 53:28.080] For a video, as soon as we launch this as a proper show.
[53:28.080 -> 53:30.760] I just know I'm gonna go head over the handlebar.
[53:30.760 -> 53:32.040] You can't have that responsibility.
[53:32.040 -> 53:32.880] But that's what.
[53:32.880 -> 53:35.960] Jake Hughes has fucking killed himself
[53:35.960 -> 53:38.480] because the guys from Pit Stop took him mountain biking.
[53:38.480 -> 53:40.680] The guys on Pit Stop told me to do it, yeah.
[53:42.600 -> 53:44.200] What does your career look like
[53:44.200 -> 53:45.000] for the sort of next five, yeah, five years, would you say? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
[53:45.000 -> 53:45.840] I don't know.
[53:45.840 -> 53:46.680] I don't know.
[53:46.680 -> 53:47.500] I don't know.
[53:47.500 -> 53:48.340] I don't know.
[53:48.340 -> 53:49.180] I don't know.
[53:49.180 -> 53:50.000] I don't know.
[53:50.000 -> 53:50.840] I don't know.
[53:50.840 -> 53:51.680] I don't know.
[53:51.680 -> 53:52.500] I don't know.
[53:52.500 -> 53:53.340] I don't know.
[53:53.340 -> 53:54.180] I don't know.
[53:54.180 -> 53:55.000] I don't know.
[53:55.000 -> 53:55.840] I don't know.
[53:55.840 -> 53:56.680] I don't know.
[53:56.680 -> 53:57.500] I don't know.
[53:57.500 -> 53:58.340] I don't know.
[53:58.340 -> 53:59.180] I don't know.
[53:59.180 -> 54:00.000] I don't know.
[54:00.000 -> 54:00.840] I don't know.
[54:00.840 -> 54:01.680] I don't know.
[54:01.680 -> 54:02.500] I don't know.
[54:02.500 -> 54:03.340] I don't know.
[54:03.340 -> 54:04.180] I don't know.
[54:04.180 -> 54:06.000] I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Ie, i fod yn dyrrwyr cerdd, yn effeithiol. Ond, i fod Fe'n mor anodd, o ran bod e'n mor wahanol,
[54:06.000 -> 54:08.000] mae'r tîm yn golygu y prif ddyniad.
[54:08.000 -> 54:10.000] Felly mae'n anodd iawn i unrhyw rhyfwyr fel mi
[54:10.000 -> 54:12.000] i ddod ymlaen, unwaith nad ydych chi'n
[54:12.000 -> 54:14.000] yn dod ymlaen fel champion F2, neu pethau fel hynny.
[54:14.000 -> 54:16.000] Ond i mi, oedd gen i ddyniad newydd yn F2,
[54:16.000 -> 54:18.000] mae'n anodd iawn i mi fod yn gallu gwynni'r cymhwyster.
[54:18.000 -> 54:20.000] Dyma mi, yn siarad,
[54:20.000 -> 54:22.000] os oeddwn i wedi cysylltu â chi yn ystod y seison,
[54:22.000 -> 54:24.000] byddwn i wedi dweud ei fod yn anodd iawn
[54:24.000 -> 54:25.720] i mi fod yn gallu gwynni'r cymhwyster. Mae'n anodd iawn. if I'd had this conversation with you before the season, I would have said it was very unlikely I'd be able to win the championship.
[54:25.720 -> 54:27.240] Just, it's inevitable.
[54:27.240 -> 54:29.760] So I typically won't be able to do it
[54:29.760 -> 54:30.760] from that point of view.
[54:30.760 -> 54:32.300] So I have to go not through the back door,
[54:32.300 -> 54:34.440] but be reserve driver, do the simulator work,
[54:34.440 -> 54:36.040] do all the hard miles, so to speak,
[54:36.040 -> 54:37.840] impress a load of people,
[54:37.840 -> 54:39.400] be in the paddock as much as possible
[54:39.400 -> 54:41.320] and try and get someone to give me that chance.
[54:41.320 -> 54:42.840] Once someone does give me that chance,
[54:42.840 -> 54:44.840] I know I'll be like snowball away.
[54:44.840 -> 54:46.480] They say that your first professional contract
[54:46.480 -> 54:47.640] is the hardest one.
[54:47.640 -> 54:50.000] And then once you get that, people trust you.
[54:50.000 -> 54:52.200] So it's like, probably in all walks of life, to be honest.
[54:52.200 -> 54:54.080] It's like, my girlfriend's a teacher
[54:54.080 -> 54:55.840] and she couldn't get a contract for ages
[54:55.840 -> 54:57.440] because she didn't have experience.
[54:57.440 -> 54:58.280] So-
[54:58.280 -> 54:59.680] Even exactly the same as like us having,
[54:59.680 -> 55:02.440] like from our end, like F1 and all this stuff,
[55:02.440 -> 55:06.800] so like corporate, no one's really ever done kind of like what we've done.
[55:06.800 -> 55:08.560] Like we've hit it from, we've jumped
[55:08.560 -> 55:11.000] into this very corporate branded sponsored space
[55:11.000 -> 55:13.080] and no one really trusts us on what we're gonna do.
[55:13.080 -> 55:15.840] So we feel like this year is like a warmup
[55:15.840 -> 55:17.960] and then hopefully next year we can like
[55:17.960 -> 55:19.200] just do cool things, but it's led you,
[55:19.200 -> 55:20.520] we can get people like you on.
[55:20.520 -> 55:24.080] Yeah, but that's, I'm almost putting a negative on it
[55:24.080 -> 55:26.780] but that's just life. That is just life.
[55:26.780 -> 55:29.680] Like, you know, the boss will tend not to look
[55:29.680 -> 55:32.040] at the young kid very often as the one
[55:32.040 -> 55:33.520] that they should put in the important position
[55:33.520 -> 55:34.920] because if it goes wrong,
[55:34.920 -> 55:37.320] they, it comes back to bite them, so to speak.
[55:37.320 -> 55:39.760] So I wouldn't say it's exactly like that in motorsport,
[55:39.760 -> 55:41.480] but there's a hint of it in terms of,
[55:41.480 -> 55:43.280] especially in FE terms, like,
[55:43.280 -> 55:44.240] I don't have experience yet.
[55:44.240 -> 55:45.240] I don't have race mileage. I have loads of experience in the simulator. I must be the most prepared rookie there's a hint of it in terms of, especially in FE terms, like I don't have experience yet. I don't have race mileage.
[55:45.240 -> 55:46.720] I have loads of experience in the simulator.
[55:46.720 -> 55:48.800] I must be the most prepared rookie.
[55:48.800 -> 55:50.400] You're raring to go, eh?
[55:50.400 -> 55:52.760] To be honest, I've said this to various team bosses
[55:52.760 -> 55:53.600] every time I see them,
[55:53.600 -> 55:56.440] but I must be the most prepared rookie there's ever been.
[55:56.440 -> 55:57.640] I've been three years in the simulator
[55:57.640 -> 56:00.200] and I had two years as a reserve driver for the top team.
[56:00.200 -> 56:02.680] So all I'm missing is race mileage,
[56:02.680 -> 56:03.920] but it's like chicken and egg.
[56:03.920 -> 56:04.760] How do you get race mileage?
[56:04.760 -> 56:05.960] Yeah, how do you get the race mileage
[56:05.960 -> 56:06.800] if they don't let you in?
[56:06.800 -> 56:07.620] Yeah, exactly.
[56:07.620 -> 56:08.460] So-
[56:08.460 -> 56:09.800] That must be so annoying.
[56:09.800 -> 56:10.640] It is.
[56:10.640 -> 56:12.040] I find that really annoying.
[56:12.040 -> 56:15.000] It is because it's a difficult sport in that sense
[56:15.000 -> 56:16.460] because, very difficult,
[56:16.460 -> 56:18.500] because if you've got the money or the millions
[56:18.500 -> 56:21.580] or even just hundreds of thousands sometimes
[56:21.580 -> 56:24.560] to go and be with the best team going through,
[56:24.560 -> 56:26.320] you'll keep that conveyor belt rolling
[56:26.320 -> 56:28.280] and that hype train starts to roll, so to speak.
[56:28.280 -> 56:30.940] So I won Formula Four, let's say, which I did.
[56:31.840 -> 56:32.680] I smashed it.
[56:32.680 -> 56:33.500] Yeah, smashed it.
[56:33.500 -> 56:34.340] And-
[56:34.340 -> 56:36.720] I love the way every time you plug yourself,
[56:36.720 -> 56:38.280] it's a little smile.
[56:38.280 -> 56:40.400] I've got a game for knocking out.
[56:40.400 -> 56:41.800] You're after, yeah, get out.
[56:41.800 -> 56:42.640] Salesman.
[56:44.080 -> 56:47.000] But I won that and then ran out of money, basically.
[56:47.000 -> 56:50.160] So then I couldn't then go and be with the best team
[56:50.160 -> 56:52.040] each year and win Formula Renault
[56:52.040 -> 56:54.320] and then Formula 3 and then Formula 2.
[56:54.320 -> 56:56.220] Whereas, I don't want to put people in it,
[56:56.220 -> 56:58.180] but like someone like Lando, let's say.
[56:58.180 -> 57:02.160] Lando, really good, obviously, really good.
[57:02.160 -> 57:03.600] But he had the finances.
[57:03.600 -> 57:05.480] So he was with a good team every year.
[57:05.480 -> 57:08.000] He didn't win F2 when George won it,
[57:08.000 -> 57:10.040] but he was with the top team every year.
[57:10.040 -> 57:12.920] So the hype train, so to speak, keeps rolling.
[57:12.920 -> 57:15.360] He keeps getting results in the top three in every year.
[57:15.360 -> 57:18.760] So then you have, then if he didn't go to F1,
[57:18.760 -> 57:21.000] he would walk into this paddock at that point
[57:21.000 -> 57:22.600] because he's Formula Three champion,
[57:22.600 -> 57:24.440] he's finished third in F2.
[57:24.440 -> 57:26.200] As a rookie then it's like much easier,
[57:26.200 -> 57:28.720] but for someone like me, finishing seventh in F3
[57:28.720 -> 57:31.120] a few years and now with a new team in F2
[57:31.120 -> 57:33.360] and struggling a little bit,
[57:33.360 -> 57:35.880] it's difficult for me to sell myself to an FE team
[57:35.880 -> 57:37.320] and say, I'm worth it.
[57:37.320 -> 57:38.160] Basically.
[57:38.160 -> 57:39.880] So, but when, like I said,
[57:39.880 -> 57:41.440] when someone does give me that chance,
[57:41.440 -> 57:42.640] they won't regret it kind of thing.
[57:42.640 -> 57:45.640] So is FE like, you think that's what you'd want to pursue
[57:45.640 -> 57:46.680] your time with?
[57:46.680 -> 57:49.640] Yeah, I mean, everyone says F1 and I'm no different.
[57:49.640 -> 57:52.880] Like I personally think I'm more than good enough for F1,
[57:52.880 -> 57:53.960] if given the chance,
[57:53.960 -> 57:55.920] but it's very unlikely that's going to happen.
[57:55.920 -> 57:57.240] And I've known that for years to be honest,
[57:57.240 -> 57:58.680] not just like in this year,
[57:58.680 -> 58:01.440] even in 2017 I did, or end of 2016,
[58:01.440 -> 58:03.840] I did GP3 my first year.
[58:03.840 -> 58:06.320] And then I got an offer to do what was
[58:06.320 -> 58:08.080] the Euro Series Formula 3 at that time,
[58:08.080 -> 58:09.960] which supported a championship called DTM.
[58:09.960 -> 58:12.040] And DTM was like, if you couldn't go to F1 at the time,
[58:12.040 -> 58:13.280] you went to DTM.
[58:13.280 -> 58:16.240] So I went and did that championship because it was,
[58:16.240 -> 58:18.200] I was with a team that could have got me into DTM,
[58:18.200 -> 58:19.760] with Mercedes and DTM.
[58:19.760 -> 58:22.620] So that was what, five, six years ago.
[58:22.620 -> 58:23.880] And already then I was thinking,
[58:23.880 -> 58:25.880] probably F1's not going to happen for me.
[58:25.880 -> 58:29.400] So I've been thinking about the sort of next,
[58:29.400 -> 58:31.000] not next best thing, but like, you know,
[58:31.000 -> 58:33.800] what to do if F1 doesn't happen for a number of years now.
[58:33.800 -> 58:35.280] But FE is probably,
[58:35.280 -> 58:36.880] and is the thing I would love to do the most,
[58:36.880 -> 58:38.360] definitely, away from F1.
[58:38.360 -> 58:40.080] I would say it's probably the most exciting thing
[58:40.080 -> 58:41.180] to get into.
[58:41.180 -> 58:43.760] Yeah, well, yeah, it's definitely growing.
[58:43.760 -> 58:45.280] Like, look, we've just alluded to a little
[58:45.280 -> 58:49.480] bit it's growing now a lot more since COVID but I don't want to say like the sky's the
[58:49.480 -> 58:51.920] limit for it but it is so different.
[58:51.920 -> 58:55.800] Oh mate, the fact they can go into like city centres now, there's so much they can do with
[58:55.800 -> 58:56.800] it.
[58:56.800 -> 59:00.480] And I really feel like once more eyes get on it, you know, like even you boys, like
[59:00.480 -> 59:02.160] you'll go there tomorrow, I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
[59:02.160 -> 59:05.400] Oh man, it's so sick that a lot of our audience won't know anything about it.
[59:05.400 -> 59:07.200] So the fact that you've come on and we've spoke about
[59:07.200 -> 59:08.040] we're gonna go tomorrow,
[59:08.040 -> 59:09.400] it's an amazing time to do an episode.
[59:09.400 -> 59:10.880] If you have a good time tomorrow,
[59:10.880 -> 59:12.480] you'll be on the episodes ever talking about it
[59:12.480 -> 59:14.040] and you might say FE was great.
[59:14.040 -> 59:15.240] Like in order some more people know,
[59:15.240 -> 59:16.360] oh, what's Formula E?
[59:16.360 -> 59:17.960] You know, like, oh sure, maybe you go and watch,
[59:17.960 -> 59:18.800] oh, it's in London this week,
[59:18.800 -> 59:21.440] or it's in Berlin, like it's in Paris
[59:21.440 -> 59:23.320] and these kinds of places, let's go and have a look.
[59:23.320 -> 59:25.240] And it just, it will, you know,
[59:25.240 -> 59:26.680] it's not a linear curve at that point.
[59:26.680 -> 59:29.120] It just, it just hopefully snowballs
[59:29.120 -> 59:31.160] to the point where it becomes massive.
[59:31.160 -> 59:32.320] That's the idea anyway.
[59:32.320 -> 59:34.200] If we can be a part of that growth,
[59:34.200 -> 59:35.040] then that's happy days.
[59:35.040 -> 59:36.480] It should get on the car,
[59:36.480 -> 59:38.160] it should get on one of the cars, mate.
[59:38.160 -> 59:39.000] Get in it.
[59:39.000 -> 59:40.200] No, like sponsor it.
[59:40.200 -> 59:41.040] Oh, I thought you said get in it,
[59:41.040 -> 59:41.880] then I was thinking about the Ariel Brave.
[59:41.880 -> 59:44.720] No, the GoFundMe page you were on about earlier.
[59:44.720 -> 59:47.000] Mate, I'll only sponsor one Formula E driver and it's you.
[59:47.000 -> 59:48.000] Exactly.
[59:48.000 -> 59:49.000] We need you to the top of Formula E.
[59:49.000 -> 59:52.000] So when you go there tomorrow, are you going in the paddock at all?
[59:52.000 -> 59:54.000] Yeah, we're going in the pits.
[59:54.000 -> 59:57.000] Tell every team boss how good of a guest that was.
[59:57.000 -> 59:59.000] I will. Amazing.
[59:59.000 -> 01:00:02.000] We'll get really drunk and we'll be like, you need to hire this guy!
[01:00:02.000 -> 01:00:04.000] We do end up drunk at most events.
[01:00:04.000 -> 01:00:05.440] That's actually worked out quite well for us, hasn't it? It seems need to hire this guy. We do end up drunk at most events. Yeah, exactly.
[01:00:05.440 -> 01:00:07.160] It's actually worked out quite well for us, hasn't it?
[01:00:07.160 -> 01:00:08.680] It seems to work out every time.
[01:00:08.680 -> 01:00:09.520] We have a few drinks.
[01:00:09.520 -> 01:00:11.400] Then we have the balls to go and ask people stuff
[01:00:11.400 -> 01:00:12.240] and talk to people.
[01:00:12.240 -> 01:00:14.000] Yeah, but people, but even like,
[01:00:14.000 -> 01:00:15.720] so I was doing it today, networking a little bit,
[01:00:15.720 -> 01:00:17.600] like the people you think you're,
[01:00:17.600 -> 01:00:21.440] or might be like a bit hard to approach, they like it.
[01:00:21.440 -> 01:00:22.280] Yeah.
[01:00:22.280 -> 01:00:24.120] If you just go up to them and just, just-
[01:00:24.120 -> 01:00:25.080] Fab's amazing at it. Yeah. He will, we were walking through the paddock, you know, like like it. If you just go up to them and just, just stop. Fabs amazing at it.
[01:00:25.080 -> 01:00:25.920] Yeah.
[01:00:25.920 -> 01:00:27.920] He will, we walk it through the paddock,
[01:00:27.920 -> 01:00:29.880] you know, like Damon Hill.
[01:00:29.880 -> 01:00:31.040] Yeah, we're walking through the paddock
[01:00:31.040 -> 01:00:32.600] and we've already told the audience,
[01:00:32.600 -> 01:00:34.480] but this story today, Damon's walking there
[01:00:34.480 -> 01:00:35.560] and I'm like, he's fabs like,
[01:00:35.560 -> 01:00:36.720] let's go say hello to Damon.
[01:00:36.720 -> 01:00:37.680] Cause we met him before.
[01:00:37.680 -> 01:00:39.840] I'm like, nah, leave him alone, leave him alone, he's busy.
[01:00:39.840 -> 01:00:42.080] Fabs just like walking past and then Damon sees Fab.
[01:00:42.080 -> 01:00:42.920] Damon!
[01:00:42.920 -> 01:00:45.000] Yeah, but then Damon turns back around and he's like,
[01:00:45.000 -> 01:00:48.000] oh, I listened to your podcast when I walk my dogs.
[01:00:48.000 -> 01:00:49.320] And we're like, oh my word.
[01:00:49.320 -> 01:00:50.160] Really?
[01:00:50.160 -> 01:00:51.000] See that's what I mean, mate.
[01:00:51.000 -> 01:00:51.820] That's what I mean, boys.
[01:00:51.820 -> 01:00:52.920] Like you're growing.
[01:00:52.920 -> 01:00:54.760] I don't know when you realize it.
[01:00:54.760 -> 01:00:56.880] Nah, it's just because we live together in a flat, right?
[01:00:56.880 -> 01:00:57.720] I think a lot of people-
[01:00:57.720 -> 01:00:58.540] Yeah, I suppose, yeah.
[01:00:58.540 -> 01:00:59.380] I feel like a lot of people-
[01:00:59.380 -> 01:01:00.640] It's because TikTok's pushed us everywhere
[01:01:00.640 -> 01:01:01.480] with the algorithm.
[01:01:01.480 -> 01:01:02.880] TikTok just put we're everywhere.
[01:01:02.880 -> 01:01:05.480] So, is TikTok worth it?
[01:01:05.480 -> 01:01:07.440] Like, is it, is it do the,
[01:01:07.440 -> 01:01:09.600] cause from the outside I'm starting to think it does.
[01:01:09.600 -> 01:01:11.680] As a someone to make content.
[01:01:11.680 -> 01:01:14.200] Like, yeah, so say me, like is it worth it?
[01:01:14.200 -> 01:01:15.920] 100%, yeah, if you want to make videos.
[01:01:15.920 -> 01:01:17.480] Cause I don't, it's not from a,
[01:01:17.480 -> 01:01:19.120] not from a financial point of view,
[01:01:19.120 -> 01:01:20.920] but it looks like it's good for like,
[01:01:20.920 -> 01:01:21.760] yeah, growing your brand.
[01:01:21.760 -> 01:01:23.720] Yeah, I know you get pushed to,
[01:01:23.720 -> 01:01:25.600] the good thing about TikTok is anyone can upload on it.
[01:01:25.600 -> 01:01:27.040] And obviously you get pushed to the audience
[01:01:27.040 -> 01:01:29.800] that want to watch that type of content.
[01:01:29.800 -> 01:01:31.840] Obviously we push it very hard.
[01:01:31.840 -> 01:01:34.200] We end up doing like sometimes four or five videos a day,
[01:01:34.200 -> 01:01:35.920] which is probably why we've seen such.
[01:01:35.920 -> 01:01:37.400] Do you think that's where your growth is?
[01:01:37.400 -> 01:01:38.960] I think our growth is in the fact,
[01:01:38.960 -> 01:01:40.840] a lot, I reckon people look at,
[01:01:40.840 -> 01:01:42.280] I reckon some people have eyes on Pitstop
[01:01:42.280 -> 01:01:43.600] and think that we're just the hosts.
[01:01:43.600 -> 01:01:45.760] I reckon some people think this is like a business
[01:01:45.760 -> 01:01:47.000] or something and we host the show.
[01:01:47.000 -> 01:01:49.640] But this is just two mates living together.
[01:01:49.640 -> 01:01:51.000] We're best mates from school.
[01:01:51.000 -> 01:01:52.360] We do all of this at home.
[01:01:52.360 -> 01:01:54.360] And I think the reason the growth behind it
[01:01:54.360 -> 01:01:56.280] is because we can do this whenever we want.
[01:01:56.280 -> 01:01:57.120] We literally can just-
[01:01:57.120 -> 01:01:59.020] Consistency is key for the growth.
[01:01:59.020 -> 01:02:01.120] But I think where your niche would be,
[01:02:01.120 -> 01:02:04.660] the fact that there's barely anyone in your position.
[01:02:04.660 -> 01:02:07.520] So if you were to make videos like behind the scenes,
[01:02:07.520 -> 01:02:09.080] like nobody sees that shit.
[01:02:09.080 -> 01:02:10.880] Yeah, that's, I've started to think,
[01:02:10.880 -> 01:02:15.880] I have uploaded one TikTok and it was so bad.
[01:02:16.880 -> 01:02:17.720] Everyone got to find it.
[01:02:17.720 -> 01:02:18.880] Do you want me to explain it?
[01:02:18.880 -> 01:02:19.720] Yeah.
[01:02:19.720 -> 01:02:22.680] So I was in, this is gonna sound bad,
[01:02:22.680 -> 01:02:25.160] lying in bed with my girlfriend and-
[01:02:25.160 -> 01:02:26.440] You sure this was TikTok?
[01:02:26.440 -> 01:02:27.280] Yeah.
[01:02:27.280 -> 01:02:28.600] She's like, yeah, yeah.
[01:02:28.600 -> 01:02:31.720] Exactly, it's gonna sound bad.
[01:02:31.720 -> 01:02:34.000] But did you ever hear the trend that was going around
[01:02:34.000 -> 01:02:35.920] about can play some white noise?
[01:02:35.920 -> 01:02:36.840] Did you ever see that one?
[01:02:36.840 -> 01:02:39.360] I played some white noise, some terrible music would come out
[01:02:39.360 -> 01:02:40.720] or some like awful.
[01:02:40.720 -> 01:02:42.120] So I was in bed and I was like,
[01:02:42.120 -> 01:02:44.360] oh baby, can I play some white noise before I go to sleep?
[01:02:44.360 -> 01:02:45.960] And she's like, yeah, turned over
[01:02:45.960 -> 01:02:47.360] and the F1 theme tune started.
[01:02:47.360 -> 01:02:49.920] Terrible, absolutely shocking.
[01:02:49.920 -> 01:02:51.120] Got quite a few views though.
[01:02:51.120 -> 01:02:51.960] That's a legend, man.
[01:02:51.960 -> 01:02:54.840] Yeah, no, again, I think Oli does a few videos.
[01:02:54.840 -> 01:02:56.320] People like seeing that.
[01:02:56.320 -> 01:02:57.600] Yeah, we spoke to him, didn't we?
[01:02:57.600 -> 01:02:59.080] And then we said, you need to start making more.
[01:02:59.080 -> 01:03:00.080] And now he's been putting more.
[01:03:00.080 -> 01:03:02.280] He explains how the wheel works in F2.
[01:03:02.280 -> 01:03:03.120] And put it on TikTok.
[01:03:03.120 -> 01:03:04.680] The actual steering wheel.
[01:03:04.680 -> 01:03:05.480] Yeah, he's done some good stuff. He's done it for me now though. You could do it with a Formula E wheel. Do it again, honestly. I wouldn't be works in F2. The actual steering wheel. Yeah, he's done some stuff.
[01:03:05.480 -> 01:03:06.360] He's done it for me now though.
[01:03:06.360 -> 01:03:07.200] You could do it with a Formula E wheel.
[01:03:07.200 -> 01:03:08.040] Do it again, honestly.
[01:03:08.040 -> 01:03:09.520] I wouldn't be allowed in Formula E.
[01:03:09.520 -> 01:03:10.360] Really?
[01:03:10.360 -> 01:03:11.200] Would not be allowed to show the Mercedes wheel.
[01:03:11.200 -> 01:03:12.020] Really?
[01:03:12.020 -> 01:03:12.860] Yeah, no chance.
[01:03:12.860 -> 01:03:13.700] Is it all a lot stricter like that then?
[01:03:13.700 -> 01:03:15.440] Yeah, like on the grid,
[01:03:15.440 -> 01:03:17.760] the digital page is closed effectively.
[01:03:17.760 -> 01:03:19.000] So they have the Mercedes star
[01:03:19.000 -> 01:03:20.360] and so you can't see all the information
[01:03:20.360 -> 01:03:21.880] because the team's will learn something from it.
[01:03:21.880 -> 01:03:22.760] Mad.
[01:03:22.760 -> 01:03:24.160] Yeah, but it's weird though
[01:03:24.160 -> 01:03:27.920] because it's the same wheel as I have in F2.
[01:03:27.920 -> 01:03:30.640] It's exactly the same hardware, let's say,
[01:03:30.640 -> 01:03:33.000] but all the buttons mean something different
[01:03:33.000 -> 01:03:36.360] and there's so much more software related on the dash page.
[01:03:36.360 -> 01:03:37.200] So.
[01:03:37.200 -> 01:03:38.600] Attack mode, sleep mode.
[01:03:38.600 -> 01:03:39.440] Yeah, yeah.
[01:03:39.440 -> 01:03:40.400] Attack mode, sleep mode.
[01:03:40.400 -> 01:03:41.240] Refresh mode.
[01:03:41.240 -> 01:03:42.080] You wouldn't believe like.
[01:03:42.080 -> 01:03:42.920] Throw banana.
[01:03:42.920 -> 01:03:44.400] When you're in the paddocks mode,
[01:03:44.400 -> 01:03:46.340] I mean, you can come down to Mercedes if you're about.
[01:03:46.340 -> 01:03:47.760] Yeah, you're there tomorrow?
[01:03:47.760 -> 01:03:48.600] Yeah, I'll be there tomorrow.
[01:03:48.600 -> 01:03:49.420] Oh, mate, let's.
[01:03:49.420 -> 01:03:50.260] We'll see you tomorrow.
[01:03:50.260 -> 01:03:51.100] I don't know if I'm allowed,
[01:03:51.100 -> 01:03:52.560] I don't know if they ever,
[01:03:52.560 -> 01:03:53.680] yeah, they do, actually, yeah, they do.
[01:03:53.680 -> 01:03:55.480] They have shown guests the steering wheel before.
[01:03:55.480 -> 01:03:57.100] Ah, you've just got to tell them it's the Pit Stop, boys.
[01:03:57.100 -> 01:03:57.940] They'll be all over.
[01:03:57.940 -> 01:03:58.760] Yeah, exactly, yeah.
[01:03:58.760 -> 01:03:59.960] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:03:59.960 -> 01:04:01.320] Five passes, come on, come in.
[01:04:01.320 -> 01:04:02.160] Yeah.
[01:04:02.160 -> 01:04:03.540] Do you boys want to race this weekend?
[01:04:03.540 -> 01:04:04.620] Yeah, come on, Harry.
[01:04:04.620 -> 01:04:06.320] Yeah. Yeah. Jake, mate, it's been a pleasure. Lo you boys want to race this weekend? Yeah, come on then! Yeah!
[01:04:06.320 -> 01:04:07.880] Jake, mate, it's been a pleasure.
[01:04:07.880 -> 01:04:08.720] Loved it.
[01:04:08.720 -> 01:04:09.540] We've learned so much from you,
[01:04:09.540 -> 01:04:10.440] and we'll see you tomorrow at the race.
[01:04:10.440 -> 01:04:11.560] Yeah, likewise.
[01:04:11.560 -> 01:04:12.400] Loved it.
[01:04:12.400 -> 01:04:13.220] This has been leg, thank you so much for coming on.
[01:04:13.220 -> 01:04:14.640] Cheers, boys, and good luck with it all.
[01:04:14.640 -> 01:04:15.480] Thanks, man.
[01:04:15.480 -> 01:04:16.360] Quality.
[01:04:16.360 -> 01:04:18.120] Good luck with the rest of your year.
[01:04:18.120 -> 01:04:18.960] Yeah, man.
[01:04:18.960 -> 01:04:20.360] Yeah, yeah, will do.
[01:04:20.360 -> 01:04:22.280] We will have many more guests on the way.
[01:04:22.280 -> 01:04:23.560] Thank you very much for listening.
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