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Welcome back to the Pitstop Podcast! This week we DIVE into depths of Formula 1 History and unveil the secrets about the past of Renault, Felipe Massa, Fernando Alonso, Nelson Piquet Jr and Lewis Hamilton, and also discuss the social profiles of Checo and Verstappen, and Checo's future in F1! Also jake went to see Elton John last night. Cheers
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**Episode Overview: Crashgate and Yuki Tsunoda**

* The podcast opens with a discussion about the hosts' technical difficulties and their microphone techniques. They also mention their upcoming live show at P1, where they hope to see their friends Matt and Tommy perform.


* The main topic of the episode is the recent revelation that Bernie Ecclestone admitted that Formula One knew about Renault's crash scandal in 2008, which involved Nelson Piquet Jr. crashing his car to benefit his teammate, Fernando Alonso. This incident potentially cost Felipe Massa the championship that year.


* The hosts discuss the implications of this revelation and speculate on whether Massa could take legal action against Renault. They also discuss the broader issue of cheating in sports and whether it is ever justified.


* The hosts then shift gears and talk about Yuki Tsunoda, a Japanese Formula One driver who has been struggling with consistency and making mistakes. They discuss his potential and whether he can improve his performance in the upcoming season.


* The episode ends with the hosts discussing Sergio Perez's future at Red Bull Racing. They speculate that Perez may be replaced by another driver at the end of the 2023 season. # **Pit Stop Podcast Episode Summary: Analyzing the Role of Social Media and Sponsorship in Formula One**

## **Introduction:**

- The podcast hosts, Jake Boys and Fabio Bocca, delve into the topic of Sergio Perez's potential departure from Red Bull Racing in 2025.
- They discuss the factors influencing this decision, including Perez's performance, Yuki Tsunoda's potential promotion, and the commercial impact of social media.

## **Perez's Performance and Contract:**

- Perez has been a consistent driver for Red Bull, securing podium finishes but lacking the consistent race-winning pace of his teammate, Max Verstappen.
- His contract expires in 2024, and there are speculations about whether he will be retained beyond that.

## **Yuki Tsunoda's Potential Promotion:**

- Franz Tost, the AlphaTauri team boss, has suggested that Yuki Tsunoda could be ready for a Red Bull seat in 2025.
- Tsunoda has shown promise but has also struggled in the less competitive AlphaTauri car.

## **Commercial Impact of Social Media:**

- A recent study revealed that Perez generated $33 million in value from social media alone in 2022, surpassing his teammate Verstappen.
- The hosts emphasize the increasing importance of social media engagement and commercial impact in determining a driver's value to a team.

## **Money as a Key Factor in Driver Selection:**

- The hosts highlight the significant role of money and sponsorship in driver selection.
- They speculate that drivers who can attract lucrative sponsorships may have an advantage in securing a seat, regardless of their on-track performance.

## **The Digital Switch and the Importance of Online Presence:**

- Drivers are increasingly embracing social media and digital platforms to connect with fans and build their brands.
- This digital presence can significantly impact a driver's commercial value and longevity in the sport.

## **Max Verstappen's Approach to Social Media:**

- Verstappen maintains a more focused social media presence, primarily sharing racing-related content.
- The hosts commend this approach, emphasizing Verstappen's dedication to his craft and his avoidance of potential controversies.

## **The Hosts' Personal Opinions:**

- The hosts express their belief that Alex Albon would be a quicker driver than Perez if given the opportunity in a Red Bull car.
- They acknowledge that such statements are speculative and that driver salaries and wages are confidential.

## **Travis Fimmel's Earnings as an Actor:**

- The hosts digress to discuss Travis Fimmel's earnings for his role in the TV show "Vikings."
- They express admiration for Fimmel's portrayal of a Viking and jokingly contemplate appearing as extras in Lewis Hamilton's upcoming movie.

## **Conclusion:**

- The hosts wrap up the podcast by thanking their listeners and reminding them of upcoming episodes, including a review of Matt and Tommy's live show.
- They also mention a planned vlog about their visit to a wildlife sanctuary, showcasing baby crocodiles and other animals.

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[01:13.200 -> 01:14.400] What is this website?
[01:22.800 -> 01:29.560] Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back once again to the Pit Stop Podcast.
[01:29.560 -> 01:32.720] Do you know what mate, I've been thinking, yeah?
[01:32.720 -> 01:35.000] I really want to switch up the intro a little bit.
[01:35.000 -> 01:36.000] Okay.
[01:36.000 -> 01:38.880] But what else do I say other than ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Pit Stop Podcast.
[01:38.880 -> 01:41.480] We have done a lot of episodes now.
[01:41.480 -> 01:47.200] This is number 20 of season two. so we've done way over a hundred this
[01:47.200 -> 01:50.660] probably like a hundred and seven fifteen maybe do you reckon anyone is
[01:50.660 -> 01:54.640] still listening who listen from the beginning because I would be bored of
[01:54.640 -> 01:58.560] myself by now if there is someone who has listened from like the very first
[01:58.560 -> 02:04.320] episode that isn't my mom or my dad I'd love to know I wonder what our current
[02:04.320 -> 02:05.760] viewership is I wonder like whether
[02:05.760 -> 02:11.800] the people listening are new or like coming back every week. I wonder how you guys listen.
[02:11.800 -> 02:14.880] If you could let us know, send us a message on Instagram, I'm at Pitstop. Yeah, do let
[02:14.880 -> 02:18.680] us know. Yeah, that'd be great. Been having a few technical issues recently, guys. I've
[02:18.680 -> 02:23.300] been made aware that sometimes my mic's been crackling. Ever since we've done the Ferrari
[02:23.300 -> 02:26.980] pod with Carlos and Charles not intentionally
[02:26.980 -> 02:30.640] But I've just been holding the mic like this now because Carlos held it like that
[02:30.640 -> 02:33.580] We always held it like this before but it was always really uncomfortable now
[02:33.580 -> 02:36.980] I've got this big chunky the girthy thing to hold it grab my hands, right?
[02:36.980 -> 02:39.320] Yeah, that's why your thing makes a noise because you keep bending the wire
[02:39.320 -> 02:45.680] I know where it's how I'm holding it the wires can strip straight down and that's potentially the reason why the cable went a bit tits up for
[02:45.680 -> 02:47.400] The last couple apps, but we got a new cable guys
[02:47.400 -> 02:52.220] I would also like to say we set that trend by the way holding mics for podcasts
[02:52.220 -> 02:54.320] We actually set that trend on tick-tock
[02:54.920 -> 03:00.880] Every other sports podcast or any other podcast where they now hold a mic Peter Crouch copied us
[03:01.640 -> 03:05.760] A few other big podcasts have copied us they now hold the mic
[03:05.760 -> 03:10.920] bloody bastards yeah where's the credit right we'll have it out with them if we
[03:10.920 -> 03:13.680] ever see him in person because it's quite a weird thing to do
[03:13.680 -> 03:17.800] Tom Crouch you getting it? holding these mics is actually a weird thing to do like really
[03:17.800 -> 03:22.480] they're built to go on a stand yeah but I do know what is so much more like you
[03:22.480 -> 03:25.000] can move around these mics can build the tension.
[03:25.000 -> 03:26.000] These mics are really special.
[03:26.000 -> 03:31.080] If we have any audio files that listen to this pod, we use SM7Bs and these are so good
[03:31.080 -> 03:32.080] because...
[03:32.080 -> 03:34.000] Can you stop moving around because that's going to make a noise.
[03:34.000 -> 03:35.660] Yeah, I'm so sorry.
[03:35.660 -> 03:41.040] You can use these in the studio and they sound amazing and you can hold them and record vocals
[03:41.040 -> 03:44.040] through them and you don't have to, I mean they only cost what, £300 something?
[03:44.040 -> 03:48.240] That's a lot of money? There's cheaper ones. There is but if you're in a recording
[03:48.240 -> 03:52.200] studio you can spend two grand three grand four grand on a mic to sing in and
[03:52.200 -> 03:55.240] these are good enough. Yeah we can still sing into these can't we?
[03:55.240 -> 03:59.920] Rockin' man! We were just singing. You were singing last night!
[03:59.920 -> 04:05.600] Because I wanna see Elvin John! You wanna go see Elton John with your mumsy?
[04:05.600 -> 04:07.920] Yeah, I wanna see Elton John with my mum, that was an experience.
[04:07.920 -> 04:10.480] Um, my mum driving out of the O2 was...
[04:11.440 -> 04:14.960] I hope she doesn't listen to this, but probably the worst experience of my life.
[04:14.960 -> 04:15.200] Why?
[04:15.200 -> 04:17.520] She just does not pull out in front of cars.
[04:17.520 -> 04:18.320] Oh, really?
[04:18.320 -> 04:20.880] We were just sat there and we had to indicate right and I'm thinking,
[04:20.880 -> 04:23.680] just please put your indicator on and start pulling out, just please.
[04:23.680 -> 04:27.100] She just sits there, no one's letting her go people are beeping
[04:27.660 -> 04:33.820] She will not cut in I'm like just put your fucking indicator on and someone might actually know we want to go over there
[04:33.820 -> 04:37.780] Michelle is not gonna be a Formula One driver anytime soon. Michelle is not gonna be a Formula One driver
[04:37.780 -> 04:42.940] Maybe a safety car driver. I don't know look she doesn't like driving. She does drive safely
[04:42.940 -> 04:46.080] She does drive very safe so she could be a safely car driver.
[04:46.080 -> 04:47.840] What car is she driving?
[04:47.840 -> 04:50.200] She drives a Beetle still, a little blue Beetle.
[04:50.200 -> 04:51.040] She used to drop me.
[04:51.040 -> 04:52.440] She used to, you know what?
[04:52.440 -> 04:53.360] She loves it, right?
[04:53.360 -> 04:55.600] But I used to be so embarrassed in that bloody car.
[04:55.600 -> 04:58.080] I used to get her to drop me further up the road.
[04:58.080 -> 05:00.520] So when I got out of school at that crossroads,
[05:00.520 -> 05:02.120] when she dropped me, no one would see me.
[05:02.120 -> 05:02.960] Really?
[05:02.960 -> 05:04.400] And I'd always like get,
[05:04.400 -> 05:05.000] my car would always pull up.
[05:05.000 -> 05:05.840] Why didn't you walk mate?
[05:05.840 -> 05:07.720] You only live with a five minute walk to school.
[05:07.720 -> 05:10.140] My mum would always be driving to work at the same time,
[05:10.140 -> 05:10.980] which was ideal.
[05:10.980 -> 05:11.800] Do you know what?
[05:11.800 -> 05:14.660] I used to walk to school and I cycled to school for a bit.
[05:15.700 -> 05:17.100] Mate, your getting to school journey
[05:17.100 -> 05:19.220] was absolutely disgusting.
[05:19.220 -> 05:22.540] You had to travel to Malmo to get to school.
[05:22.540 -> 05:24.420] Fucking hell, that was crazy.
[05:24.420 -> 05:27.360] I was actually traveling not far at all, really,
[05:27.360 -> 05:30.080] like a minute in a car, and you were traveling,
[05:30.080 -> 05:31.480] you were getting up like two and a half,
[05:31.480 -> 05:32.960] three hours before school.
[05:32.960 -> 05:33.800] Yeah.
[05:33.800 -> 05:34.640] That's crazy.
[05:34.640 -> 05:36.540] But I was talking about when I was at London Road,
[05:36.540 -> 05:38.280] because that was pretty much where you lived, pretty much.
[05:38.280 -> 05:39.480] Yeah, both in Housham.
[05:39.480 -> 05:40.320] Giving away our locations once again.
[05:40.320 -> 05:42.000] That's right, we don't live there anymore though, do we?
[05:42.000 -> 05:43.000] No, we don't, we actually don't.
[05:43.000 -> 05:45.320] Some of our friends still live there. Mmm.
[05:45.320 -> 05:50.800] Speaking of friends, you have a big date coming up. Yes, I do, tomorrow. A big, big date.
[05:50.800 -> 05:55.520] Oh, that's not what I was thinking of, but yeah, we do have a big date tomorrow. Well, fuck you then, what are you about to say?
[05:55.520 -> 05:57.520] What do I have coming up?
[05:57.520 -> 06:00.720] At the end of the month. What? A big, big date.
[06:01.240 -> 06:02.280] What?
[06:02.280 -> 06:06.560] It's football at Wembley, the Europa UEFA Waiver Cup. Yes I'm going to watch
[06:06.560 -> 06:12.080] Brighton Man United semi-final at Wembley. Why are you clapping that? You don't even like football.
[06:12.080 -> 06:16.160] Because I don't, yeah you did offer maybe potentially for me to have a ticket. Mate I have a spare ticket.
[06:16.160 -> 06:20.720] But I declined, I declined. But you can come though. I don't want to go bro. Really? I just,
[06:20.720 -> 06:27.160] I'm not to be disrespectful and I appreciate the offer But there's someone else in this world, but the more deserving that you could take
[06:27.720 -> 06:29.720] Okay, you're gonna end up there
[06:31.320 -> 06:36.640] Going and we could see who's going everyone. All right, maybe I'll think about Sam Smith's going
[06:36.640 -> 06:38.720] I think about mate not the singer
[06:40.560 -> 06:45.760] Me going to a football match is like nailing my nuts to a table really. It's not that
[06:46.840 -> 06:52.200] It's just not not the greatest. I don't know. It's not really me. Okay. Well, yeah
[06:52.200 -> 06:55.540] I went and saw out John last night my mom. That was fun. What have you been writing down?
[07:00.840 -> 07:01.680] We're going for 10 minutes? No, no.
[07:01.680 -> 07:03.240] We're meant to have 10 minutes of waffle
[07:03.240 -> 07:05.160] before we get to see Matt and Tommy.
[07:05.160 -> 07:06.000] Yes.
[07:06.000 -> 07:07.760] Matt and Tommy live show, P1.
[07:07.760 -> 07:09.560] Matt and Tommy live in person.
[07:09.560 -> 07:11.440] We have a group chat with those lads
[07:11.440 -> 07:13.720] and I think Tommy's a little bit nervous.
[07:13.720 -> 07:15.320] Which so he fucking should be,
[07:15.320 -> 07:16.280] because I would be too.
[07:16.280 -> 07:17.160] Yeah, I know.
[07:17.160 -> 07:18.000] Take it to the podcast.
[07:18.000 -> 07:20.480] But he might listen to this before he goes on stage
[07:20.480 -> 07:21.580] because he does listen to the pod.
[07:21.580 -> 07:23.080] So Tommy, if you are listening to this,
[07:23.080 -> 07:25.200] I promise you now, the second you sit down
[07:25.200 -> 07:27.200] break a leg!
[07:27.200 -> 07:31.200] the second you sit down I realise everyone in that room is there for you
[07:31.200 -> 07:32.200] you'll be absolutely fine
[07:32.200 -> 07:34.200] Tommy you'll be absolutely fine
[07:34.200 -> 07:35.200] and if you need any help
[07:35.200 -> 07:38.200] I don't know why you would take my advice as I've never done it but you'll be absolutely fine
[07:38.200 -> 07:41.200] if you need any help or anyone on stage for anything just give us a shout
[07:41.200 -> 07:42.200] yeah we'll be moral support
[07:42.200 -> 07:43.200] me and Fab will be there
[07:43.200 -> 07:45.240] it'll be interesting to watch them boys live
[07:45.240 -> 07:49.480] I can't imagine what a live show is gonna be like I haven't got a clue the only people that I know who do a
[07:49.480 -> 07:53.600] Live show is the red flags guys. I do know that Matt has put us on the guest list though
[07:54.000 -> 07:56.800] So what does that mean? I asked if we get any free snacks
[07:58.160 -> 08:01.760] Free snacks. Yeah, I said I wanted popcorn. He said you can go fucking
[08:02.000 -> 08:06.800] I said I wanted popcorn. He said you can go fucking fire
[08:14.320 -> 08:20.520] It starts at 9 o'clock yeah, we have to pace ourself because we can't go and get absolutely spangled a man
[08:27.660 -> 08:32.540] They've already given us a warning they've already said behave. Oh Yeah, I know, I can see what's going on in your head, you sit on this sofa and you get mad excited, thinking that out of nowhere, because Jake and Fab are there, Matt and Tommy
[08:32.540 -> 08:34.060] are going to usher us onto the stage.
[08:34.060 -> 08:35.060] That's not what I want!
[08:35.060 -> 08:37.500] Ladies and gentlemen, the Pits Stop boys are in the house!
[08:37.500 -> 08:38.500] Jake and Fab!
[08:38.500 -> 08:40.740] And then there's an hour long segment with you and me.
[08:40.740 -> 08:41.740] That's not going to happen!
[08:41.740 -> 08:42.740] Why not?
[08:42.740 -> 08:43.740] Why are we going?
[08:43.740 -> 08:44.740] Because this is P1!
[08:44.740 -> 08:48.600] This isn't the P1 of Pizza Dump Show. No I know but they must
[08:48.600 -> 08:53.280] want us there for a week. Well maybe they've got something planned but I
[08:53.280 -> 08:58.320] highly doubt it. I'm joking I'm just going to see them. They're just inviting their
[08:58.320 -> 09:01.640] friends down. I do think it's amazing though like it is pretty cool I could
[09:01.640 -> 09:06.800] never do it so let's just see how it goes fair play to them Do you know what we always say we couldn't do it but
[09:07.360 -> 09:10.400] I guess this is live how long we'll be going for we haven't said anything career-ending yet
[09:10.400 -> 09:12.240] We don't really cut our pods that much
[09:12.240 -> 09:16.160] I was thinking that we say we wouldn't go live but realistically when you look at the pods
[09:16.160 -> 09:20.080] the only cuts we make are because we're being told to make the cut by the approval
[09:20.080 -> 09:21.680] we never when we do the pod we don't
[09:21.680 -> 09:23.520] When we've got a guest on yeah 100%
[09:23.520 -> 09:26.800] We don't stop do we we just through, so that could be live.
[09:27.400 -> 09:27.900] Yes.
[09:28.300 -> 09:32.600] But then we would just say the odd thing that would probably call that a lawsuit.
[09:32.600 -> 09:37.000] It's always funny though, when we do a pod where we haven't done one with a guest in a while.
[09:37.300 -> 09:39.600] It's been like over Christmas, you come back and you do one.
[09:39.600 -> 09:41.800] It's almost like, oh fuck, it's like first day back at school.
[09:41.800 -> 09:42.300] Yeah.
[09:42.300 -> 09:43.400] A little bit nervous, a little bit.
[09:43.400 -> 09:46.760] I felt like that a bit for Oli, because he was the first bat for a while.
[09:46.760 -> 09:49.120] I was alright with Oli, I don't know why.
[09:49.120 -> 09:50.640] Maybe because we knew him a bit more.
[09:50.640 -> 09:51.640] Probably yeah.
[09:51.640 -> 09:54.160] But then Mikey just flowed from the second he got here.
[09:54.160 -> 09:56.000] The second he saw the sim wasn't it?
[09:56.000 -> 09:58.120] The second he saw the sim he was like that's it.
[09:58.120 -> 10:02.760] Yeah, for me as soon as he tried to fix the sim and he got down on his hands and knees
[10:02.760 -> 10:04.760] straight away I thought this guy is the shit.
[10:04.760 -> 10:06.080] He's such a lurch.
[10:06.080 -> 10:07.360] What you wrote down?
[10:07.360 -> 10:08.480] Jake.
[10:08.480 -> 10:10.680] You said earlier, Fab said to me,
[10:10.680 -> 10:13.720] I was playing Valheim on the Xbox.
[10:13.720 -> 10:17.520] I spawned a dragon and it blew everything up.
[10:17.520 -> 10:18.360] All right.
[10:18.360 -> 10:19.600] If that means anything to anyone.
[10:19.600 -> 10:21.200] Why don't you go into detail a bit more about that?
[10:21.200 -> 10:22.040] No.
[10:22.040 -> 10:23.080] It blew up Fab's face.
[10:23.080 -> 10:25.440] That I spent hours crafting
[10:25.440 -> 10:26.340] from stone.
[10:26.340 -> 10:27.660] You're the one that's been,
[10:27.660 -> 10:29.660] yep, you didn't spend hours crafting it, did you?
[10:29.660 -> 10:31.820] All you're doing is cheating and spoiling everything.
[10:31.820 -> 10:32.660] You're a liar.
[10:32.660 -> 10:33.500] You're not even playing the game.
[10:33.500 -> 10:34.660] You are a liar.
[10:34.660 -> 10:37.340] You can't use every cheating and say you play the game
[10:37.340 -> 10:38.180] properly.
[10:38.180 -> 10:40.260] I spent hours, all right, at night as well,
[10:40.260 -> 10:41.180] because we worked during the day
[10:41.180 -> 10:42.740] and we played games in the evening.
[10:42.740 -> 10:45.400] I spent from midnight till 5 a.m.
[10:47.180 -> 10:50.160] Building that place. Yeah, and you sport a fucking dragon
[10:51.440 -> 10:55.460] Destroyed my base and a death screen. Don't forget the death squeals. That's great as a mad
[10:55.460 -> 10:57.180] Do you know what else is mad gone?
[10:57.180 -> 11:01.720] Felipe Massa by the sounds of you said about this whilst I was playing what has happened with Felipe Massa, right?
[11:01.720 -> 11:06.160] I I've just found out about this. This is quite exciting, right?
[11:06.160 -> 11:07.720] I like talking about this kind of stuff
[11:07.720 -> 11:11.080] because it's a reminder to our listeners
[11:11.080 -> 11:12.880] of how fresh we are.
[11:12.880 -> 11:16.280] This dives into a little bit of F1 history a little bit.
[11:16.280 -> 11:18.440] Not too long ago, 15 years ago.
[11:19.680 -> 11:22.280] I've been watching for a year, so I've already expected.
[11:22.280 -> 11:23.100] Fairly long time.
[11:23.100 -> 11:24.240] I couldn't even tell you one team
[11:24.240 -> 11:26.480] Felipe Massa drove for. Well well you might have already heard something
[11:26.480 -> 11:31.280] about this I believe actually I think I believe for Ferrari I believe what he
[11:31.280 -> 11:34.840] did I believe my Priestly mops mentioned something about this sounds about right
[11:34.840 -> 11:39.000] he's probably in the book right and we had him on potentially all right how
[11:39.000 -> 11:41.840] much you gonna build this up for just yeah well I'm trying to eat out a
[11:41.840 -> 11:47.520] fucking pod just basically there's been a can of worms that have-
[11:47.520 -> 11:48.360] A can of worms?
[11:48.360 -> 11:50.200] What does a can of worms look like?
[11:50.200 -> 11:53.240] Back in 2008 it probably weighs the same as a box of books.
[11:53.240 -> 11:55.560] Well how much does a box of books weigh?
[11:55.560 -> 11:56.400] About a can of worms.
[11:56.400 -> 11:57.240] Oh.
[11:57.240 -> 11:59.720] And in 2008 something crazy happened
[11:59.720 -> 12:02.080] and it's basically been reopened.
[12:02.080 -> 12:04.120] Okay the can of worms, the monkeys got out
[12:04.120 -> 12:05.600] of the bag once again.
[12:05.600 -> 12:07.160] Oh, Fab, Fab.
[12:07.160 -> 12:08.000] Yeah.
[12:08.000 -> 12:09.840] You're about to talk about Crashgate.
[12:11.000 -> 12:12.200] I am indeed.
[12:12.200 -> 12:13.280] Oh no.
[12:13.280 -> 12:14.100] Why?
[12:14.100 -> 12:16.960] I feel like that's like talking about the matrix.
[12:16.960 -> 12:18.720] I feel like if we talk about that kind of stuff,
[12:18.720 -> 12:19.800] we might get arrested.
[12:19.800 -> 12:21.120] Yeah, but Jake, this is Pit Stop.
[12:21.120 -> 12:22.480] We have the power.
[12:22.480 -> 12:24.040] I don't know if we should do it.
[12:24.040 -> 12:25.920] If anyone's gonna come up against us,
[12:25.920 -> 12:27.080] we'll fucking crash.
[12:27.080 -> 12:28.200] We'll clap down, we'll fucking destroy them, okay?
[12:28.200 -> 12:30.280] I don't actually know much about this crash skating,
[12:30.280 -> 12:31.640] but I saw it trending on Twitter
[12:31.640 -> 12:33.680] and hasn't someone like admitted to it or something?
[12:33.680 -> 12:36.680] Okay, well listen, that someone is Bernie Eccleston.
[12:36.680 -> 12:37.680] Just to let you know.
[12:39.600 -> 12:42.160] Back in 2008, Felipe Massa lost out
[12:42.160 -> 12:43.960] on winning his first and only championship
[12:43.960 -> 12:47.360] to Lewis Hamilton by a single championship point.
[12:47.360 -> 12:48.980] Okay, that's pretty intense already.
[12:48.980 -> 12:51.360] One point, but there was a big controversy around it.
[12:51.360 -> 12:52.200] Hang on a minute.
[12:52.200 -> 12:53.860] And wasn't this the race in Brazil?
[12:54.800 -> 12:55.640] No.
[12:55.640 -> 12:57.560] That wasn't in the race in Brazil where Massa lost out
[12:57.560 -> 12:59.400] because they all let Hamilton pass.
[12:59.400 -> 13:02.780] So that would have been the last race of the season.
[13:02.780 -> 13:07.640] Because that was weird as well. That's also strange.
[13:07.640 -> 13:10.320] Poor Felipe Massa's had it up to here.
[13:10.320 -> 13:12.480] With all this shit, never won a championship.
[13:12.480 -> 13:14.280] He probably should have and he had it robbed off him.
[13:14.280 -> 13:16.640] Anyway, sorry to butt in, take me back to the story.
[13:16.640 -> 13:19.480] Nelson Piquet Jr. was driving for Renault at the time.
[13:19.480 -> 13:22.720] And at the Singapore Grand Prix in 2008,
[13:22.720 -> 13:26.160] Nelson Piquet was ordered by his team at Renault to crash
[13:26.160 -> 13:30.760] so that the safety car would come out and it would benefit his teammate in the
[13:30.760 -> 13:37.400] championship battle. Now that teammate was Fernando Alonso. Okay. So yes, correct
[13:37.400 -> 13:42.560] crash gate. Now because of this crash yeah there was a massive safety there
[13:42.560 -> 13:46.460] was a safety car obviously everyone as we know we know, we know this, people go in the pits
[13:46.460 -> 13:47.680] to get a cheap pit.
[13:47.680 -> 13:51.160] So Felipe Massa's gone in for his pit under this safety car.
[13:51.160 -> 13:54.300] And back in 2008, they still used to refuel the cars.
[13:54.300 -> 13:55.840] So they've refueled his car,
[13:55.840 -> 13:57.140] they've done an unsafe release,
[13:57.140 -> 13:59.160] and he's driven off with the fucking fuel pump
[13:59.160 -> 14:00.160] still attached to the car.
[14:00.160 -> 14:01.320] That was that race?
[14:01.320 -> 14:02.140] Yeah.
[14:02.140 -> 14:03.940] When the fuel pump went through the thing
[14:03.940 -> 14:10.240] and set fire to everything? No, that wasn't, no, That's happened a couple of times, but that wasn't that time. That was, that was quite a long time ago.
[14:10.560 -> 14:14.960] Um, and also they, they brought him out like in front of a car because they were trying to beat Lewis Hamilton to
[14:15.120 -> 14:20.320] bring him out before Lewis. So there was a load of shit that happened. Basically, he got a penalty for that.
[14:20.320 -> 14:25.880] He got a drive-through penalty and he ended up coming 13th for that race. Lewis Hamilton ended up coming third.
[14:25.880 -> 14:30.500] And so, you know, Massa didn't score any points that race.
[14:30.500 -> 14:31.420] Lewis did.
[14:31.420 -> 14:34.080] Massa was ahead of him for that whole race, right?
[14:34.080 -> 14:35.840] And then because of the crash,
[14:35.840 -> 14:37.040] which then caused him to pit
[14:37.040 -> 14:39.200] and then the thing went wrong with the pit.
[14:39.200 -> 14:41.240] And did this benefit Hamilton?
[14:41.240 -> 14:42.480] Well, it meant that, yeah,
[14:42.480 -> 14:44.520] because Felipe Massa got the penalty,
[14:44.520 -> 14:45.360] the drive-through penalty for an unsafe release.
[14:45.360 -> 14:48.120] So who made the decision to crash?
[14:49.240 -> 14:50.440] The team, Renault.
[14:50.440 -> 14:53.120] So who was the team boss there then?
[14:53.120 -> 14:53.960] I don't know.
[14:53.960 -> 14:54.780] Because we need to,
[14:54.780 -> 14:56.680] I feel like we need to get the bloody chalkboard out.
[14:56.680 -> 14:57.520] We need to get him on the pod.
[14:57.520 -> 15:00.000] Stick some pictures up and start investigating.
[15:00.000 -> 15:02.960] We need to get that guy on the pod, whoever it is.
[15:02.960 -> 15:05.400] But it was, so, but this is the thing, right?
[15:05.400 -> 15:07.160] So you've got Massa at Ferrari,
[15:07.160 -> 15:08.800] you've got Lewis at Mercedes,
[15:08.800 -> 15:10.880] and you've got Nelson Piquet Jr.
[15:10.880 -> 15:12.520] and Fernando Alonso at Renault.
[15:12.520 -> 15:14.560] Now Renault are the bad guys here, yeah?
[15:14.560 -> 15:16.840] Because they've set up this crash
[15:16.840 -> 15:19.880] to help Fernando Alonso win the championship.
[15:19.880 -> 15:21.280] He didn't, anyway.
[15:21.280 -> 15:23.480] But because of that, it's then affected,
[15:23.480 -> 15:27.280] Ferrari have brought Massa in to do the pit they fucked it up he
[15:27.280 -> 15:28.920] got a penalty he didn't score any points
[15:28.920 -> 15:30.560] that race Lewis did and then obviously
[15:30.560 -> 15:32.160] he missed out on the championship. So was Massa
[15:32.160 -> 15:33.720] actually involved or had Massa just got
[15:33.720 -> 15:35.120] unlucky because it looks like it's only
[15:35.120 -> 15:36.840] the Renault's. So Massa's done nothing
[15:36.840 -> 15:39.400] wrong. Massa's essentially his
[15:39.400 -> 15:41.920] championship has been fucked because of
[15:41.920 -> 15:44.080] Renault doing that. So Renault deliberately
[15:44.080 -> 15:45.320] crashed one of their drivers
[15:45.320 -> 15:47.280] to get Fernando Alonso to win.
[15:47.280 -> 15:49.360] Yeah, but it was nothing to do with Felipe.
[15:49.360 -> 15:50.560] No, yeah.
[15:50.560 -> 15:52.120] But then at the same time,
[15:52.120 -> 15:53.280] I mean, what are your thoughts on that?
[15:53.280 -> 15:54.120] Because you know, he-
[15:54.120 -> 15:56.200] Well that's just it, I thought it was deeper than that.
[15:56.200 -> 15:57.320] When I was reading it at first,
[15:57.320 -> 15:58.920] I thought it was like deeper than that.
[15:58.920 -> 16:01.280] Like orders coming from like another team.
[16:01.280 -> 16:02.800] But if you're telling me like,
[16:02.800 -> 16:04.320] back in the day, 15 years ago,
[16:04.320 -> 16:08.260] if you had two drivers out there and one of the drivers wasn't gonna win and one of your
[16:08.260 -> 16:10.980] drivers was battling for the championship that's probably happened loads of times
[16:10.980 -> 16:14.740] where the team have gone you just crash because that will help us here you just
[16:14.740 -> 16:17.700] quickly crash there because that'll help him get a pin you crash there that would
[16:17.700 -> 16:21.580] have happened absolutely loads times it's probably still happening now about
[16:21.580 -> 16:27.340] us realizing when Pete I it probably is not necessarily crashes But well so anything the thing is the worst part
[16:27.340 -> 16:32.640] So this obviously when this happened in 2008 at the end of the season it all kicked off like in 2009
[16:33.080 -> 16:37.040] Massa was saying shit Lewis was like going out in the press and saying stuff however
[16:37.680 -> 16:39.360] And I've got here. I've written this down
[16:39.360 -> 16:49.880] I have reason to believe it's come back to light in recent weeks because Bernie Ecclestone basically came out and said that at the time f1 knew that Renault had cheated so f1
[16:49.880 -> 16:55.120] knew it was going on and they kept it hush-hush swept it under the carpet just
[16:55.120 -> 16:59.920] to stop like this massive scandal coming out in f1 but like he's admitted now
[16:59.920 -> 17:06.080] that him and Max Mosley who again... Mr. Mosley! Did you never watch Sweet Life of Zach and Cody?
[17:06.080 -> 17:07.360] It wasn't our PE teacher!
[17:07.360 -> 17:09.760] Mr Mosley was in Sweet Life of Zach and Cody!
[17:09.760 -> 17:11.480] I swear we had a PE teacher called Mr Mosley
[17:11.480 -> 17:12.480] Ummm...
[17:12.480 -> 17:14.200] Short one, black hair, short and fat
[17:14.200 -> 17:17.600] I don't know how he was a PE teacher
[17:17.600 -> 17:18.600] Mr Mollison
[17:18.600 -> 17:19.600] That was it, Mollison!
[17:19.600 -> 17:21.920] And he wasn't fat, he was just a bit chubby
[17:21.920 -> 17:22.920] Wonder if he listens
[17:22.920 -> 17:24.840] I wonder if Marsden listens to this pod
[17:24.840 -> 17:26.800] I like Marsden, I hope Marsden does.
[17:26.800 -> 17:28.000] Yeah, Marsden was good.
[17:28.000 -> 17:32.300] If anyone wants to know briefly, Marsden was a PE teacher that ended up becoming head of house in sixth form.
[17:32.300 -> 17:34.800] And how funny that both our stories are exactly the same.
[17:34.800 -> 17:35.300] Yeah.
[17:35.300 -> 17:37.500] Like, considering we didn't even speak at the time.
[17:37.500 -> 17:40.500] Yeah, both of me and Jake were meant to be going to like different colleges,
[17:40.500 -> 17:42.800] and then for some reason, whatever happened, like,
[17:42.800 -> 17:45.800] something fucking crazy happened with Jake, something crazy happened to me.
[17:45.800 -> 17:47.000] And then right at the last minute,
[17:47.000 -> 17:48.080] like a week before term,
[17:48.080 -> 17:51.280] we both came back to sixth form and begged Mr. Marsden,
[17:51.280 -> 17:52.640] Marsden, please can we come back?
[17:52.640 -> 17:53.660] We've got nowhere else to go.
[17:53.660 -> 17:54.500] And he was like, I don't know,
[17:54.500 -> 17:56.240] I don't know what he said to you, but to me,
[17:56.240 -> 17:57.680] he was like, right, you could do music
[17:57.680 -> 17:59.760] and you could do business and you got to do something else.
[17:59.760 -> 18:01.240] I was like, I can't do nothing else.
[18:01.240 -> 18:03.480] He was like, you could do business and you could do IT.
[18:03.480 -> 18:04.320] You got to do something else.
[18:04.320 -> 18:06.200] And then I ended up in fucking art. Me and art, I literally had do nothing else. He was like, you can do business and you can do IT. You got to do something else. So then I ended up in fucking art.
[18:06.200 -> 18:09.000] Me and art, I literally had to sit up.
[18:09.000 -> 18:11.080] I wish I had taken that with you.
[18:11.080 -> 18:12.160] It would have been so funny.
[18:12.160 -> 18:13.560] I did like two lessons.
[18:13.560 -> 18:15.640] And then the first project was us figuring ourselves
[18:15.640 -> 18:17.800] and I realized straight away I'm in the wrong place.
[18:17.800 -> 18:19.080] Then I got to drop it.
[18:19.080 -> 18:20.840] And then the sixth one was just amazing for a bit.
[18:20.840 -> 18:22.640] Mate, that would have been so funny.
[18:22.640 -> 18:24.640] I think he honestly offered me art
[18:24.640 -> 18:26.120] and I was just like, nah, I just don't want to do it.
[18:26.120 -> 18:27.600] Oh, I wish you'd done it.
[18:27.600 -> 18:29.000] So it'd be great.
[18:29.000 -> 18:30.320] Anyway, back on track.
[18:31.240 -> 18:33.560] I like it, if you'll pardon the pun.
[18:33.560 -> 18:35.040] Exactly, yeah.
[18:35.040 -> 18:37.120] Didn't want to piss off for too long.
[18:37.120 -> 18:37.960] Oh!
[18:37.960 -> 18:39.980] So yeah, Bernie Eggleston's come out recently
[18:39.980 -> 18:41.560] and said that they made a mistake
[18:41.560 -> 18:42.440] and that they knew at the time.
[18:42.440 -> 18:44.660] And obviously this has prompted Felipe
[18:44.660 -> 18:46.000] to start talking about it again.
[18:46.000 -> 18:47.840] So I don't know, is he going to press charges?
[18:47.840 -> 18:49.600] Is he going to take it to court or some shit?
[18:49.600 -> 18:52.360] But this many, well, that's what I'm saying.
[18:52.360 -> 18:55.400] This many years later, it would never ever work,
[18:55.400 -> 18:57.400] but maybe he's thinking about it.
[18:57.400 -> 19:00.680] The thing is, right, this stuff happens in every sport,
[19:00.680 -> 19:04.400] comes out all the time, like things of dodgy things.
[19:04.400 -> 19:06.660] And at the end of the day,
[19:06.660 -> 19:09.600] you never really know what's real, what's true.
[19:09.600 -> 19:11.440] You can't believe everything you read in the media,
[19:11.440 -> 19:13.200] even if he's apparently saying it.
[19:13.200 -> 19:16.060] Like, unless you've seen him face to face
[19:16.060 -> 19:18.220] and he said that to you, I wouldn't believe that.
[19:18.220 -> 19:20.660] You know, like it's tough, isn't it?
[19:20.660 -> 19:23.380] Don't get me wrong, dodgy shit is going on in every sport,
[19:23.380 -> 19:25.120] in every aspect of the world.
[19:25.120 -> 19:26.440] Do we even trust our own government?
[19:26.440 -> 19:27.280] Probably not.
[19:27.280 -> 19:29.120] If you never hear another podcast from us,
[19:29.120 -> 19:30.520] I've probably been shot.
[19:30.520 -> 19:32.120] But if Red Bull, for instance,
[19:32.120 -> 19:34.440] if Red Bull ever spent like last year,
[19:34.440 -> 19:36.660] I wonder if the F1 knew about that.
[19:38.360 -> 19:39.760] Well, they've been punished.
[19:40.840 -> 19:43.800] Have they been punished to the extent that is probably
[19:45.200 -> 19:46.800] maybe what they should have got?
[19:46.800 -> 19:48.240] I don't know because I mean,
[19:48.240 -> 19:50.920] quite clearly it hasn't really affected them, has it?
[19:50.920 -> 19:52.520] But yeah, it might.
[19:52.520 -> 19:54.600] Think about this, right?
[19:54.600 -> 19:57.880] As far as I'm aware, Red Bull are really the only team
[19:57.880 -> 20:00.740] on the grid who aren't a car manufacturer.
[20:00.740 -> 20:02.140] Now correct me if I'm wrong.
[20:03.160 -> 20:05.160] But they have an engine from a car manufacturer.
[20:05.160 -> 20:10.500] But just sit with that for a second, right?
[20:10.500 -> 20:14.200] Every other team on the grid, apart from Williams don't make cars, but they've always been an
[20:14.200 -> 20:18.160] F1 as a motorsport car manufacturer.
[20:18.160 -> 20:21.920] Every other team makes cars apart from Red Bull.
[20:21.920 -> 20:26.980] Like Red Bull's audience as a whole is so much bigger
[20:26.980 -> 20:30.460] than lights McLaren because you have to be a car head if you really follow
[20:30.460 -> 20:34.020] McLaren you like McLaren you got to be a car head but you haven't got to be a car
[20:34.020 -> 20:37.820] head to want to be into Red Bull like you could be into your mountain bikes or
[20:37.820 -> 20:41.460] you're surfing or anything like that or even just fucking having an energy drink
[20:41.460 -> 20:48.200] and you might follow f1 because of Red Bull. So it wouldn't, it would make sense to me
[20:48.200 -> 20:50.400] if like Red Bull and F1 had a really tight relationship
[20:50.400 -> 20:51.720] because F1 probably want Red Bull
[20:51.720 -> 20:53.560] as much as Red Bull want them.
[20:53.560 -> 20:55.440] No, you're spot on.
[20:55.440 -> 20:57.060] But Red Bull have done it right for a long time.
[20:57.060 -> 20:59.440] They've been massive in so many sports.
[20:59.440 -> 21:01.240] And I think that just shows on and off the track.
[21:01.240 -> 21:03.280] But George Russell has said something interesting
[21:03.280 -> 21:04.320] about Red Bull.
[21:04.320 -> 21:05.120] He has? George Russell has said something interesting about Red Bull. He has.
[21:05.120 -> 21:08.680] George Russell has said that for sure they're holding back.
[21:08.680 -> 21:11.240] They're almost embarrassed to show their full potential
[21:11.240 -> 21:15.600] because the faster they seem globally,
[21:15.600 -> 21:17.440] the more the sport is going to try
[21:17.440 -> 21:19.240] and hold them back somehow.
[21:19.240 -> 21:21.680] That's what George Russell has said.
[21:21.680 -> 21:24.960] So he basically believes that they're quicker
[21:24.960 -> 21:25.280] than they're even
[21:25.280 -> 21:27.520] showing but he's basically saying like
[21:27.520 -> 21:29.840] F1 said like guys come on
[21:29.840 -> 21:34.400] how then? what ammunition? what
[21:34.400 -> 21:37.120] makes him think that? well have you seen
[21:37.120 -> 21:39.360] it? within like literally
[21:39.360 -> 21:40.880] half a lap he was two seconds clear of
[21:40.880 -> 21:43.240] Lewis Hammond. Mate look I fucking love
[21:43.240 -> 21:44.440] Red Bull and this is why this is such a
[21:44.440 -> 21:45.280] hard conversation to have. I completely agree is such a hard conversation to have.
[21:45.280 -> 21:46.240] I completely agree.
[21:46.240 -> 21:47.080] That's why it's shit.
[21:47.080 -> 21:47.920] Such a hard conversation to have
[21:47.920 -> 21:48.800] because we love him so much,
[21:48.800 -> 21:52.680] but there has to be some foul play.
[21:52.680 -> 21:53.520] If they can be that much quicker.
[21:53.520 -> 21:55.360] You know what, Cal's coming back.
[21:55.360 -> 21:56.840] We are getting, I'm calling it now.
[21:56.840 -> 21:58.060] We are going to get Cal back
[21:58.060 -> 21:59.120] and we are going to ask him
[21:59.120 -> 22:00.200] and I'm going to say to him,
[22:00.200 -> 22:04.040] Cal, you pulled away from Lewis Hamilton in two seconds.
[22:04.040 -> 22:08.880] How the fuck do you do that compared to every other car?
[22:08.880 -> 22:09.720] But does Cow know?
[22:09.720 -> 22:10.600] I need an answer.
[22:10.600 -> 22:11.440] But does Cow know?
[22:11.440 -> 22:12.840] He surely must know.
[22:12.840 -> 22:14.720] The people working on the car would know.
[22:14.720 -> 22:17.800] Yeah, but he's on the ground, he's on the track.
[22:17.800 -> 22:19.120] He's a traveling mechanic.
[22:19.120 -> 22:23.840] He gets given the parts and he builds the car.
[22:23.840 -> 22:25.620] I think if anyone's gonna know the secrets,
[22:25.620 -> 22:30.620] it's fucking Wilfred Helmslow.
[22:30.620 -> 22:31.520] What?
[22:31.520 -> 22:32.640] I can't remember his fucking name.
[22:32.640 -> 22:33.480] Wilfred Helmslow.
[22:33.480 -> 22:34.320] Adrian Newey.
[22:34.320 -> 22:35.800] Adrian Newey knows a lot.
[22:35.800 -> 22:38.720] Because he hand draws the cars.
[22:38.720 -> 22:39.560] I didn't know that.
[22:39.560 -> 22:40.380] Did you know that until?
[22:40.380 -> 22:41.220] No, that's incredible.
[22:41.220 -> 22:43.320] He hand draws the cars in the Red Bull factory,
[22:43.320 -> 22:44.720] yeah, which is absolutely insane.
[22:44.720 -> 22:49.600] Maybe that's the secret sauce, mate. Well Well I think they can control the car a lot more
[22:49.600 -> 22:55.600] than is made clear from the garage. I don't really know how or what they can see,
[22:56.560 -> 23:01.280] but they must have some form of control. Of course they do and this is why I make,
[23:01.280 -> 23:06.400] I mean obviously every time I come out with those stupid things like, oh they, they've tampered with Max's car so that Tcheko could win.
[23:06.400 -> 23:09.680] Obviously, I'm fucking joking, if anyone out there thought I'm being serious.
[23:09.680 -> 23:13.640] But at the same time, I'm highlighting the fact that, like, they probably could because
[23:13.640 -> 23:16.400] they have that much effect on the car.
[23:16.400 -> 23:22.760] I think Red Bull are open to scrutiny because they're doing so well in a time where they
[23:22.760 -> 23:26.240] quite clearly, the budget cap issue and stuff like that.
[23:26.240 -> 23:27.880] And to be fair, they've been really unlucky
[23:27.880 -> 23:32.660] because obviously Max and the Hamilton thing was one year.
[23:32.660 -> 23:35.240] The second year is Max wins everything,
[23:35.240 -> 23:36.220] Red Bull was so much better.
[23:36.220 -> 23:38.360] And everyone's like, oh, for God's sake, Red Bull again.
[23:38.360 -> 23:40.040] And then they get the budget cap.
[23:40.040 -> 23:41.120] For like two years in a row,
[23:41.120 -> 23:44.000] they've been quite easy targets for like every,
[23:44.000 -> 23:46.320] everyone else who doesn't support Red Bull,
[23:46.320 -> 23:49.280] probably doesn't like Red Bull because of that.
[23:50.140 -> 23:52.920] Well, maybe they need to make some internal changes, mate.
[23:52.920 -> 23:54.640] Well, no, Red Bull don't need to change anything.
[23:54.640 -> 23:56.200] Red Bull are absolutely fine.
[23:56.200 -> 23:57.360] Well, no, maybe they do.
[23:57.360 -> 23:59.440] They're the best team, they don't need to do anything.
[23:59.440 -> 24:03.280] Maybe they do in the terms of Sergio Perez.
[24:03.280 -> 24:05.360] We're not, I'm not even going on to Perez again.
[24:05.360 -> 24:06.440] No, no, no.
[24:06.440 -> 24:08.360] Every episode you're telling me Perez
[24:08.360 -> 24:09.200] is being replaced by someone.
[24:09.200 -> 24:11.800] Yeah, and now finally, my bullshit chat
[24:11.800 -> 24:13.480] has been backed up with facts, bro.
[24:13.480 -> 24:15.560] Right, where does his future lie?
[24:15.560 -> 24:17.480] Where does his future lie?
[24:17.480 -> 24:19.000] Bro, I always have credible sources.
[24:19.000 -> 24:19.840] Website name?
[24:19.840 -> 24:20.660] Listen.
[24:20.660 -> 24:21.500] Website name.
[24:21.500 -> 24:25.320] Right, listen, fact, his contract expires in 2024.
[24:25.320 -> 24:28.080] No, it expires at the end of this year.
[24:28.080 -> 24:30.200] So it actually expires in 2023.
[24:30.200 -> 24:32.760] So yeah, but he's so far 2024, he can't race.
[24:32.760 -> 24:35.480] So he's got a win this season, right?
[24:35.480 -> 24:37.320] And he gets consistent podiums, he does.
[24:37.320 -> 24:40.200] And he is like a fairly consistent driver,
[24:40.200 -> 24:43.360] but he's not winning like consistently.
[24:43.360 -> 24:44.880] I mean, there's clearly a difference in pace
[24:44.880 -> 24:46.240] between him and Max still. It's been three races this year and he's won winning consistently. I mean, there's clearly a difference in pace between him and Max still.
[24:46.240 -> 24:48.840] It's been three races this year and he's won one of them.
[24:48.840 -> 24:50.600] Yeah, but last year.
[24:50.600 -> 24:51.720] What did he win last year?
[24:51.720 -> 24:52.600] He only won Monaco, right?
[24:52.600 -> 24:53.440] He got two wins last year.
[24:53.440 -> 24:54.920] Two, Monaco and Miami?
[24:54.920 -> 24:56.360] I can't remember the other one.
[24:56.360 -> 24:58.080] No, I can't even remember.
[24:58.080 -> 24:58.920] I can't remember.
[24:58.920 -> 24:59.920] He got two wins last year.
[24:59.920 -> 25:00.760] Yeah.
[25:01.880 -> 25:04.640] And him and Max are allegedly in the same car.
[25:05.840 -> 25:08.080] So there's a talking point right there
[25:08.080 -> 25:10.120] about why he maybe he should not stay.
[25:10.120 -> 25:13.040] Al Fatahri boss, Franz Tost,
[25:13.040 -> 25:16.560] has suggested that Yuki, Yuki Sonoda.
[25:16.560 -> 25:19.400] Oh, you literally, come on, please.
[25:19.400 -> 25:21.680] Look, Yuki's a great guy, but read me the,
[25:21.680 -> 25:22.960] read me the website now.
[25:22.960 -> 25:24.760] What is this website?
[25:24.760 -> 25:27.320] It's probably like, fan F1 fandom.com.
[25:27.320 -> 25:31.000] Has suggested that Yuki could be ready for a Red Bull scene
[25:31.000 -> 25:31.840] 2025.
[25:31.840 -> 25:32.680] 2025.
[25:32.680 -> 25:33.520] This website.
[25:33.520 -> 25:34.360] And potentially take,
[25:34.360 -> 25:35.180] I've written it down on my notes.
[25:35.180 -> 25:36.020] It's on his note.
[25:36.020 -> 25:37.440] Must be you just wrote it yourself.
[25:37.440 -> 25:38.280] And potentially,
[25:38.280 -> 25:39.100] potentially go see.
[25:39.100 -> 25:41.520] Did you actually copy and paste that really, man?
[25:41.520 -> 25:44.080] I said, I put here, not sure about that.
[25:44.080 -> 25:47.360] Yuki, potentially, but I don't know about that.
[25:47.360 -> 25:48.200] However-
[25:48.200 -> 25:49.020] I think he's been struggling.
[25:49.020 -> 25:50.040] I think Yuki's been struggling.
[25:50.040 -> 25:50.880] Yeah, he has.
[25:50.880 -> 25:52.320] He honestly has, but hasn't been in the best car.
[25:52.320 -> 25:53.800] But then the Alfa Tauri has been struggling.
[25:53.800 -> 25:54.920] So yeah, it's tough.
[25:54.920 -> 25:56.240] However, here's an interesting fact.
[25:56.240 -> 25:57.920] Now this is copy and pasted from the internet
[25:57.920 -> 26:00.080] because I wanted it to, I wanted to have the quote here.
[26:00.080 -> 26:02.360] A recent study from Zoomth suggested
[26:02.360 -> 26:08.640] that Perez generated $33 million in value from social media alone in 2022.
[26:08.640 -> 26:10.640] More than teammate Verstappen.
[26:10.640 -> 26:16.080] While his social media interaction figures are only bettered by Charles Leclerc and Lewis Hamilton.
[26:16.080 -> 26:26.960] So, fuck me, Perez is up there, out of the whole grid, in terms of engagement from social media and earning money he's out of the
[26:26.960 -> 26:30.080] whole grid the only people that are doing better than him are Leclerc and Daniel
[26:30.080 -> 26:33.740] Ricardo well that's insane mate that's insane so this commercial impact could
[26:33.740 -> 26:40.840] have a major role in deciding whether or not Checo is retained in 2025. I just had to take that quiet moment.
[26:40.840 -> 26:46.000] Did anyone hear what I read at the beginning by the way? Did anyone hear us read it up? I hope it was good, we tried our best.
[26:46.000 -> 26:47.000] Hopefully it was good.
[26:47.000 -> 26:49.000] Is there a great comedy called Spectate?
[26:49.000 -> 26:53.000] I actually think if anyone could go to Red Bull it could be Albin.
[26:53.000 -> 26:54.000] I'd love to see Albin in a quick car.
[26:54.000 -> 26:56.000] You were pointing at me then, I thought you were going to say me.
[26:56.000 -> 26:58.000] No, I was pointing at you then.
[26:58.000 -> 26:59.000] No, you just said something that I wanted to say.
[26:59.000 -> 27:00.000] It was about Red Bull.
[27:00.000 -> 27:04.000] I think we just need to cut the bullshit on the pod for like just two minutes.
[27:04.000 -> 27:05.680] Mate, this is not bullshit.
[27:05.680 -> 27:08.400] No, because I need to say something valuable.
[27:08.400 -> 27:10.600] Well, I'm right in the middle of a topic about Perez here.
[27:10.600 -> 27:11.440] But this is about Perez.
[27:11.440 -> 27:12.480] Okay, go on then, go on then.
[27:12.480 -> 27:15.800] We've got to remember that the drivers for these teams
[27:15.800 -> 27:17.840] aren't actually a lot of the time bought
[27:17.840 -> 27:19.760] or bought in on performance.
[27:19.760 -> 27:21.480] Like it's all money, isn't it?
[27:21.480 -> 27:22.320] Now listen, okay.
[27:22.320 -> 27:24.920] Like it is, like it doesn't really matter.
[27:24.920 -> 27:26.120] Some of the best drivers in the world
[27:26.120 -> 27:26.960] are not even drivers because they can't afford it.
[27:26.960 -> 27:29.080] You've said enough of the jibber jabber.
[27:29.080 -> 27:31.080] Let's not start talking about that.
[27:31.080 -> 27:31.920] But it is.
[27:31.920 -> 27:32.760] All right.
[27:32.760 -> 27:33.680] Money talks.
[27:33.680 -> 27:34.880] Money talks.
[27:34.880 -> 27:37.000] Like whoever's going to bring in the best sponsor,
[27:37.000 -> 27:37.840] whoever's going to bring in that,
[27:37.840 -> 27:39.760] like have Ford said they're going to bring in a driver
[27:39.760 -> 27:41.160] when the Red Bull come?
[27:41.160 -> 27:42.880] Is that already arranged and we don't know?
[27:42.880 -> 27:44.200] Well, who knows mate?
[27:44.200 -> 27:49.600] Like money talks. We can speculate as much as we want as fans look at results and see them crash and say,
[27:49.600 -> 27:54.200] Well this is why I've been saying Logan Sargent of fucking Red Bull! Because of Ford!
[27:54.200 -> 27:56.600] This is why I was saying it three weeks ago!
[27:56.600 -> 28:01.600] Some people say that I'm a pioneer and I actually think I am because I have some brilliant ideas.
[28:01.600 -> 28:06.200] If Logan Sargent ever joined Red Bull I'd clap you. Thanks. No, I'd some brilliant ideas. If Mogan Sargent ever joined Red Bull, I'd clap you.
[28:06.200 -> 28:07.040] Thanks.
[28:07.040 -> 28:08.320] No, I'd shake your hand.
[28:08.320 -> 28:09.640] Thank you so much.
[28:09.640 -> 28:11.640] Right, back to Perez, okay?
[28:11.640 -> 28:13.320] I wanted your thoughts on this.
[28:13.320 -> 28:14.840] This is why I wanted to bring this up
[28:14.840 -> 28:16.040] because it's about social media
[28:16.040 -> 28:17.680] and you are the social media queen.
[28:17.680 -> 28:20.800] So, I mean, my thoughts before we dive into yours.
[28:20.800 -> 28:24.240] Verstappen, I mean, if you look at his Instagram,
[28:24.240 -> 28:26.080] he's not hot on the social medias. Let me get it up. Yeah, so like they post a lot, Verstappen, I mean, if you look at his Instagram, he's not hot on the social medias.
[28:26.080 -> 28:29.080] Like, yeah, so like they post a lot,
[28:29.080 -> 28:31.680] him or his team, whoever do it, they do post a lot,
[28:31.680 -> 28:33.920] but it's all racing pictures.
[28:33.920 -> 28:35.940] It's all like, which is fair enough
[28:35.940 -> 28:37.880] because he does racing at his career
[28:37.880 -> 28:40.560] and he's a world champion, but it's all racing related.
[28:40.560 -> 28:42.440] There's nothing personal really on there.
[28:42.440 -> 28:45.720] There's nothing sort of lifestyle or fashion related,
[28:45.720 -> 28:48.080] which I actually respect in a way,
[28:48.080 -> 28:50.900] because he's just a racing driver and that's what he does.
[28:50.900 -> 28:53.260] But you get people like Pierre Gasly and stuff
[28:53.260 -> 28:56.420] who they're posting more that lifestyle kind of thing.
[28:56.420 -> 28:58.020] That's going to get more views and more traction.
[28:58.020 -> 29:01.260] So I can see why Checo probably does generate more money
[29:01.260 -> 29:03.960] from social media than Verstappen.
[29:03.960 -> 29:07.000] Also, mate, you and me went to Mexico City.
[29:07.000 -> 29:08.480] We saw the billboards of Checo.
[29:08.480 -> 29:09.320] Yeah, yeah, everywhere.
[29:09.320 -> 29:10.320] I've got a couple of stats here.
[29:10.320 -> 29:13.240] 130 million people in Mexico,
[29:13.240 -> 29:15.520] 10 million in Mexico City alone.
[29:15.520 -> 29:19.600] There's 17 million people in the whole of the Netherlands.
[29:19.600 -> 29:21.120] Do the math.
[29:21.120 -> 29:24.760] Yeah, well, I can't even remember the numbers to do the math.
[29:24.760 -> 29:27.240] So why does Max Verstappen have more followers than Perez then?
[29:28.360 -> 29:33.680] Because he's more of a probably so the way I see it is Max is more of a world-renowned figure
[29:34.840 -> 29:36.840] So he'd have more people following him
[29:37.060 -> 29:42.320] Whereas Perez I feel like more of his following will be condensed down to a certain area
[29:42.840 -> 29:46.760] Being Mexico and we all we both know that Mexican fans
[29:46.760 -> 29:50.200] are always like diehard fans of anything that they get into.
[29:50.200 -> 29:52.040] They're like, they fucking swear by it.
[29:52.040 -> 29:52.860] It's like a religion.
[29:52.860 -> 29:54.920] He's got like a really strong audience.
[29:54.920 -> 29:57.840] Who engage with his content more.
[29:57.840 -> 29:58.680] For sure.
[29:58.680 -> 29:59.500] And probably buys merch more.
[29:59.500 -> 30:00.760] And it's interesting to bring up Ghazali
[30:00.760 -> 30:01.680] because you are right.
[30:01.680 -> 30:03.000] A lot of the drivers in the grid
[30:03.000 -> 30:04.520] don't just post driving photos.
[30:04.520 -> 30:08.160] They do do it very differently, but that's, they're smart.
[30:08.160 -> 30:11.160] Like they've seen the digital switch.
[30:11.160 -> 30:13.000] I think every driver will go down that route.
[30:13.000 -> 30:14.680] It might not necessarily be them running it.
[30:14.680 -> 30:16.680] It might just be a crew film on them behind the scenes
[30:16.680 -> 30:21.080] or taking photos, but with the digital switch to a brand,
[30:21.080 -> 30:22.880] and if you want to just stay in the sport longer,
[30:22.880 -> 30:26.920] you're going to have to be online. You're going gonna have to be doing interviews you're gonna have to be
[30:26.920 -> 30:30.720] that's just the way it's gone it isn't just driving anymore Max could be the
[30:30.720 -> 30:33.260] best driver in the world but if he goes and does one thing wrong online his
[30:33.260 -> 30:36.280] career could be over he loses his seat at Red Bull no one ever it's very
[30:36.280 -> 30:40.480] different back in the day hush hush hush in a newspaper didn't come out no one
[30:40.480 -> 30:43.960] would ever know what happened exactly Max says one thing wrong he could be out
[30:43.960 -> 30:45.400] Red Bull tomorrow. Yeah, so
[30:45.920 -> 30:47.920] using social online is
[30:47.920 -> 30:48.960] You have to do it
[30:48.960 -> 30:53.480] But you have to be careful and I think Max keeps himself quite light out of the way if he just only post driving photos
[30:53.480 -> 30:55.480] I think it's quite clever. No, I like it. I
[30:56.560 -> 31:02.200] Think and honestly you can say the car's fucking quick and it is but it is why he's like pretty much the best driver on
[31:02.200 -> 31:06.280] The grid because he fucking knuckles down. He doesn't care.
[31:06.280 -> 31:08.680] As far as I can picture anyway,
[31:08.680 -> 31:11.240] he doesn't really seem to care about anything else
[31:11.240 -> 31:13.760] other than being a world champion, runs through his blood.
[31:13.760 -> 31:16.080] And that's why he wins.
[31:16.080 -> 31:18.880] But I do think Alex Allen would be quicker than Red Bull.
[31:18.880 -> 31:20.240] Yeah, same.
[31:20.240 -> 31:21.600] But that's a very loose term,
[31:21.600 -> 31:24.360] like them saying Checo earned more money
[31:24.360 -> 31:28.500] through social media last year than Max because you could just take one brand deal.
[31:28.500 -> 31:35.500] Well it doesn't matter anyway, Max would have made- we don't need to talk about the driver's wages, but Max clearly made a lot more money than Checo last year.
[31:35.500 -> 31:36.500] I suppose he probably did.
[31:36.500 -> 31:41.000] Like his driver's wages, he's on like 40 million a year Red Bull. That'll be more than Checo.
[31:41.000 -> 31:42.000] That's nuts.
[31:42.000 -> 31:44.000] And, yeah.
[31:44.000 -> 31:46.000] We've started watching Vikings.
[31:46.000 -> 31:47.680] Yeah, the show on Amazon.
[31:47.680 -> 31:51.280] Travis Finwall was rumoured to be earning 300,000 an episode.
[31:51.280 -> 31:52.440] Mmm, that's good.
[31:52.440 -> 31:53.760] He did four seasons.
[31:53.760 -> 31:55.480] Shit, I shouldn't have told you that.
[31:55.480 -> 31:56.000] Why?
[31:56.000 -> 31:57.200] For fuck's sake.
[31:57.200 -> 31:57.600] Why?
[31:57.600 -> 32:00.840] Because we're only on season two and there's nine seasons.
[32:00.840 -> 32:02.720] You've already told me there's nine seasons.
[32:02.720 -> 32:03.600] Yeah.
[32:03.600 -> 32:08.360] So why does it matter that you just told me you season two okay don't worry then I didn't clock
[32:08.360 -> 32:17.280] anything okay well don't clock what I said but we're watching it and it's
[32:17.280 -> 32:21.120] really exciting at the moment mmm and yeah he was getting paid 300k an
[32:21.120 -> 32:29.960] episode which is madness because I would take that fucking I would pay to be in that role hmm to be a Viking with blue eyes
[32:29.960 -> 32:35.400] bordering people with an axe and saving the world I want to be in Lewis Hamilton's
[32:35.400 -> 32:39.480] new movie he's doing a movie well this f1 movie they're working on oh with Brad
[32:39.480 -> 32:44.720] Pitt yeah I want to be in it me and you must be out of get approval to somehow
[32:44.720 -> 32:46.000] be like an extra.
[32:46.000 -> 32:48.000] Can't we just go to the extra website?
[32:48.000 -> 32:52.000] How pissed, yeah, if the movie was about F1 and about people in F1
[32:52.000 -> 32:56.000] and so there was like a small scene where like Pitstop like comes into F1
[32:56.000 -> 32:58.000] but they get two people to play us, mate.
[32:58.000 -> 33:00.000] Oh my god!
[33:00.000 -> 33:02.000] You would be so pumped!
[33:02.000 -> 33:04.000] And imagine if they picked like the two ugliest dudes as well.
[33:04.000 -> 33:07.000] They'd call them Pitstop as well and they just absolutely suck.
[33:07.000 -> 33:09.000] All the drivers hate them.
[33:09.000 -> 33:12.000] Yeah, all behind their back, they're like, those pissed off boys fucking suck.
[33:12.000 -> 33:14.000] Oh my god, they should do that.
[33:14.000 -> 33:16.000] They should actually do that now.
[33:16.000 -> 33:17.000] Free promo for me.
[33:17.000 -> 33:19.000] But yeah, guys, I guess that was a good effort.
[33:19.000 -> 33:21.000] You got any more to bring to the table today?
[33:21.000 -> 33:24.000] No, mate, and we've cracked over 30 minutes now, so we are safe.
[33:24.000 -> 33:28.900] Let's go. We're locked in. I know I like doing the pods midweek because it is just a
[33:28.900 -> 33:31.960] little catch up it does feel like we're just jumping on FaceTime. Well we
[33:31.960 -> 33:34.920] actually had a few bits to talk about today which is nice. And the next time we
[33:34.920 -> 33:37.800] update it will be after Matt and Tommy's live show so we'll give you a review out
[33:37.800 -> 33:42.500] of 10. We'll rate a few things like the food, how good the venue is, we'll rate
[33:42.500 -> 33:45.800] how good they are, how much we laughed.
[33:45.800 -> 33:46.640] Yeah.
[33:46.640 -> 33:47.840] We'll tell you everything.
[33:47.840 -> 33:49.480] Do you think we should heckle them?
[33:49.480 -> 33:51.040] No, we're not heckling, they've already said,
[33:51.040 -> 33:52.320] don't heckle, I don't want to heckle.
[33:52.320 -> 33:53.160] All right.
[33:53.160 -> 33:54.000] I'd feel awful.
[33:54.000 -> 33:54.920] That's boring.
[33:54.920 -> 33:56.120] Maybe a little bit.
[33:56.120 -> 33:56.960] Maybe a little bit.
[33:56.960 -> 33:58.440] Unless you're listening, Tommy, none.
[33:58.440 -> 33:59.280] No heckling.
[33:59.280 -> 34:00.600] No, we can't, because Matt's really helping us out
[34:00.600 -> 34:02.160] with the commentary on the drivers.
[34:02.160 -> 34:03.120] Yeah, Matt is really,
[34:03.120 -> 34:04.760] we actually need to film Australia.
[34:04.760 -> 34:07.040] Yeah, Australia's coming up, guys. We wanted to put it out before the commentary on the on the drive. Yeah Matt is really, we actually need to film Australia. Yeah Australia is coming up guys we wanted to
[34:07.040 -> 34:09.480] put it out before the race weekend and then we thought well we got a massive
[34:09.480 -> 34:14.840] gap now so we may as well save Australia and Baku for the time that we
[34:14.840 -> 34:18.920] have off to tie you guys over until another little race weekend. And then
[34:18.920 -> 34:21.840] once we get towards Miami time we're gonna start thinking about the content
[34:21.840 -> 34:28.960] that's gonna come out for that and all I'm I'm saying is a baby croc I'd have vlog footage baby croc baby croc snap snap snap it is now
[34:29.480 -> 34:33.880] Snapping turtles and Jacob fabric and eggs and yeah, you don't like snakes do I?
[34:34.080 -> 34:36.640] I'm gonna fucking come after you with a snake, okay?
[34:37.880 -> 34:43.360] We held one we went down to uh I don't know if I could call what I did held it
[34:43.360 -> 34:45.880] I put my hands out said drop it on my hands grab the photo
[34:45.880 -> 34:47.880] And it wasn't even a snake it was like a fucking slow worm
[34:47.880 -> 34:49.880] I paid for that brand to post some photos from there
[34:49.880 -> 34:51.880] And they were like can you hold the animal
[34:51.880 -> 34:53.880] And I was like fucking hell really do I have to hold that?
[34:53.880 -> 34:55.880] It was literally an earthworm
[34:55.880 -> 34:57.880] And you're like I don't like snakes
[34:57.880 -> 34:59.880] It was massive
[34:59.880 -> 35:01.880] It was a king cobra mate
[35:01.880 -> 35:03.880] It was a baby cobra
[35:03.880 -> 35:05.680] It was a viper It was a kissing cobra Yeah well I cobra. It was a baby cobra. It was a viper. If it had a bad day.
[35:05.680 -> 35:07.720] It was a kissing cobra.
[35:07.720 -> 35:09.040] Yeah, well I didn't want to give it a kiss.
[35:09.040 -> 35:10.640] I didn't want to give it a kiss.
[35:10.640 -> 35:12.000] Spelt with a kicking cuh.
[35:13.040 -> 35:13.880] Paddock.
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[35:16.280 -> 35:18.040] thank you for tuning into the Pit Stop Podcast.
[35:18.040 -> 35:19.480] Fab's doing the outro today.
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[36:21.280 -> 36:25.600] oh that was a fucking mess. Oh. Oh. Oh.
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