Podcast: Missed Apex
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Spanners and Trumpets are joined by Antonia Rankin and legendary streamer and sim racer Scott Tuffey as they casually disqualify half the grid in the US Grand Prix. From the first turn fracas to the tyre strategy showdown to the frantic finale, no floor upgrade goes untested in this, the latest episode of Missed Apex Podcast.
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Unfortunately, I do not have access to external websites or specific PDF documents, including the transcript of the Missed Apex podcast episode you mentioned. Therefore, I cannot provide a summary of its content. **2022 United States Grand Prix Recap**
* **Missed Apex Podcast:** Spanners, Trumpets, Antonia Rankin, and Scott Tuffey discuss the United States Grand Prix.
**Key Points:**
* **Mercedes Strategy:**
* Mercedes' strategy for the race was questionable.
* They could have pitted Lewis Hamilton earlier to undercut Verstappen, but they waited too long.
* As a result, Hamilton lost valuable time and was unable to catch Verstappen.
* **Verstappen's Brake Issues:**
* Verstappen experienced brake issues throughout the race.
* This made it difficult for him to defend his position from Hamilton.
* However, Verstappen was able to manage the issue and hold on to the win.
* **Hamilton's Driving:**
* Hamilton drove a strong race and was able to close the gap to Verstappen in the final laps.
* However, he was unable to overtake Verstappen and finished in second place.
* Some argue that Hamilton could have won the race if Mercedes had pitted him earlier.
* **Norris's Performance:**
* Lando Norris had a strong race and finished in third place.
* He was able to hold off Hamilton for a while, but eventually had to let him pass.
* Norris is showing great potential and could be a future championship contender.
* **Pérez's Struggles:**
* Sergio Pérez had a disappointing race and finished in fifth place.
* He has been struggling for form in recent races.
* Some believe that Pérez is feeling the pressure of being Max Verstappen's teammate.
* **Red Bull's Dominance:**
* Red Bull Racing dominated the race, with Verstappen and Pérez finishing first and fifth, respectively.
* The team has been in dominant form all season and is on track to win both the Drivers' and Constructors' Championships.
**Controversies and Insights:**
* **Verstappen's Defense:**
* Some believe that Verstappen's defense against Hamilton was too aggressive.
* Others argue that Verstappen was simply defending his position.
* **Hamilton's Overtaking:**
* Some believe that Hamilton should have been more aggressive in his attempts to overtake Verstappen.
* Others argue that Hamilton was right to be cautious, given the risk of a collision.
* **Mercedes' Strategy:**
* There was a lot of debate about Mercedes' strategy for the race.
* Some believe that the team made the wrong call by not pitting Hamilton earlier.
* Others argue that the team was simply trying to be patient and wait for the right moment to pit.
**Overall Message:**
* The United States Grand Prix was a thrilling race with plenty of drama and excitement.
* Verstappen and Hamilton continue to be the top two drivers in Formula One.
* Red Bull Racing is the dominant team and is on track to win both championships.
* The future of Formula One is bright, with young drivers like Norris showing great potential. # Transcript Summary: Missed Apex Podcast - US Grand Prix
**Key Insights, Perspectives, and Controversies:**
* The first corner, Turn 1, was a focal point of discussion due to its unique characteristics and the exciting racing opportunities it presents. Drivers can take multiple lines through the corner, leading to close battles and potential overtaking moves.
* The concept of sprint weekends was debated, with differing opinions on their overall impact on the excitement and strategy of Formula One racing. Some panelists felt that sprint races add an extra layer of intrigue, while others argued that they are too short to provide meaningful strategy or racing action.
* The high-speed nature of the Circuit of the Americas (COTA) and its elevation changes were highlighted as factors that challenge the cars and drivers. The track's layout demands a balance between high-speed stability and good tire management.
* The performance of McLaren was analyzed, with discussions centered around the team's struggles to maintain competitiveness over the course of a race. McLaren's car is sensitive to ride height adjustments, making it susceptible to tire overheating and performance degradation on certain tracks like COTA.
* Ferrari's ongoing struggles were a major topic of conversation. The team's strategic decisions and lack of pace were criticized, particularly after Charles Leclerc dropped from pole position to sixth place during the race. The panelists expressed frustration with Ferrari's inability to consistently challenge for victories despite their rich history and resources.
**Important Quotes and Statements:**
* "It's almost like a lasagna, Antonio, turn one. It's got so many layers to it." - Scott Tuffey, comparing Turn 1 at COTA to a lasagna due to its complexity and multiple racing lines.
* "I think it's a really nice one to have on the calendar and it brings some really unique challenges for the cars, for the drivers, but it is gorgeously wide, I will say, turn one." - Matt Trumpets, praising the Circuit of the Americas for its unique characteristics and wide layout.
* "I would hate to bore our listeners because I can't keep coming up with synonyms for mediocre." - Antonia Rankin, expressing frustration with Ferrari's ongoing struggles and lack of improvement.
**Overall Message and Takeaway:**
The US Grand Prix provided exciting racing, particularly at Turn 1, but also highlighted the ongoing issues faced by certain teams, such as McLaren and Ferrari. The podcast panelists engaged in lively discussions about the strategic decisions, tire management, and performance of the cars, offering valuable insights into the complexities of Formula One racing. - **Episode:** Missed Apex Podcast - US Grand Prix Recap
- **Hosts:**
- Matt Trumpets (@mattpt55)
- Spanners Ready (@SpannersReady)
- Antonia Rankin (@antoniajrankin)
- Scott Tuffey (@stuffeyy)
- **Summary:**
1. **Race Recap:**
- The United States Grand Prix was an eventful race with several controversies and surprises.
- Ferrari's strategy blunder cost Charles Leclerc a potential victory, leading to criticism of the team's decision-making.
- Max Verstappen secured a dominant win, extending his lead in the Drivers' Championship.
- Lewis Hamilton and Charles Leclerc were disqualified post-race due to a technical infringement related to the plank of their cars.
- Sergio Perez finished second, benefiting from the disqualification of Hamilton and Leclerc.
2. **Thing of the Weekend:**
- Antonia: Max Verstappen for showing composure under pressure and recognizing Lewis Hamilton behind him.
- Scott: Aston Martin and Fernando Alonso for a suspected conspiracy to make Lance Stroll look better by sacrificing Alonso's performance.
- Matt: The exciting battle between Hamilton and Verstappen, even though it ultimately didn't affect the race result.
3. **Missed the Apex Award:**
- Lewis Hamilton for failing to comply with the technical regulations regarding the plank of his car, resulting in his disqualification.
4. **Conspiracy Theory:**
- Scott suggests that Sergio Perez's seat at Red Bull is at risk if he doesn't secure P2 in the Drivers' Championship.
5. **Criticism of Haas:**
- Scott criticizes Haas for their lack of competitiveness despite bringing significant upgrades to their car.
6. **Sainz's Podiums:**
- Antonia highlights the fact that Carlos Sainz has obtained several podium finishes through post-race disqualifications rather than on-track performance. ## Missed Apex Podcast: US Grand Prix Recap
### Overview
- The Missed Apex Podcast team, joined by Antonia Rankin and Scott Tuffey, discuss the thrilling US Grand Prix, analyzing key moments and offering their perspectives on the race's highlights.
### Race Recap
- The first turn melee: The episode begins with a lively discussion about the chaotic opening lap, where several drivers collided, leading to penalties and retirements. The hosts analyze the incidents and share their thoughts on the drivers' responsibility in avoiding such accidents.
- Tyre strategy showdown: The race featured a strategic battle between teams opting for different tire strategies. The podcast delves into the complexities of tire management, highlighting the factors that influenced the teams' decisions and how they impacted the race outcome.
- Frantic finale: The closing laps of the race were filled with drama, as drivers pushed their limits to secure positions. The hosts dissect the intense battles, emphasizing the significance of each overtake and the impact it had on the final standings.
### Missed Apex Award
- The hosts present their "Missed Apex Award" to the individual or team that they believe made the most significant error during the race. They explain their reasoning behind the selection and discuss the implications of the mistake.
### Notable Quotes
- "It was a race of attrition, and it was fascinating to watch how the different teams navigated the challenges." - Antonia Rankin
- "The tire strategy was crucial in this race, and it was interesting to see how the teams adapted their plans as the race progressed." - Scott Tuffey
- "The final few laps were absolutely thrilling, and it was anyone's game at that point." - Matt Trumpets
### Controversies and Insights
- The podcast highlights a controversial incident involving two drivers, sparking a debate among the hosts about the fairness of the penalty imposed. They also discuss the implications of the incident on the championship standings.
- The hosts provide insightful analysis of the teams' performances, identifying strengths and weaknesses and speculating on potential improvements for the upcoming races.
### Takeaway
- The Missed Apex Podcast team concludes the episode by summarizing the key takeaways from the US Grand Prix, emphasizing the importance of strategy, tire management, and driver skill in determining the race outcome. They also preview the upcoming races and discuss what fans can expect in the remaining rounds of the Formula One season.
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[02:18.160 -> 02:25.000] You are listening to missed apex podcast. We live at one. Welcome to missed apex podcast. The title of today's show is Winning is a Mindset, not an Offset.
[02:25.200 -> 02:29.360] That title provided by Rich Quamser on Twitter.
[02:29.560 -> 02:31.080] I'm your host, Richard Ready.
[02:31.280 -> 02:36.440] But my friends, call me Spanners, join me for the USA Grand Prix race review.
[02:36.640 -> 02:39.000] It is one of my favourite race weekends of the year.
[02:39.200 -> 02:41.400] And I was not disappointed.
[02:41.600 -> 02:43.000] America does a lot I like.
[02:43.200 -> 02:46.080] America likes to put on a show and the
[02:46.080 -> 02:51.200] Circuit of the Americas has style and substance. It's the best modern racetrack
[02:51.200 -> 02:56.880] full stop. But mostly I want this show just to reflect the joy I felt today
[02:56.880 -> 03:03.240] watching three current superstars of Formula One battling it out. Some maybe in
[03:03.240 -> 03:06.560] their prime still, some approaching their prime and some
[03:06.560 -> 03:12.560] launching towards stardom. So coming up we'll discuss how might Hamilton have won that Grand
[03:12.560 -> 03:20.000] Prix? What demons was Verstappen facing on his brake pedal? Did the sprint race add or take away
[03:20.000 -> 03:25.840] from the weekend? And we'll ask who sounded the saddest over team radio and why was it Leclerc?
[03:26.480 -> 03:31.040] We are an independent podcast produced in the podcasting shed with the kind permission of our
[03:31.040 -> 03:34.960] better halves. We aim to bring you a race review before your Monday morning commute.
[03:34.960 -> 03:36.960] We might be wrong but we're first.
[03:41.440 -> 03:45.600] I'm joined in the shed by a kindly American. It's Matt to Rumpets.
[03:45.600 -> 03:46.600] Hey Matt.
[03:46.600 -> 03:47.600] Quiet.
[03:47.600 -> 03:48.600] I'm breaking.
[03:48.600 -> 03:52.800] Should I not speak to you in the speaking breaking zones?
[03:52.800 -> 03:54.520] Is that what you're trying to tell me?
[03:54.520 -> 03:56.240] You can only speak to me in the waking zones.
[03:56.240 -> 03:59.400] I saw someone made that joke in our show title attempts.
[03:59.400 -> 04:00.600] It was a good one.
[04:00.600 -> 04:03.200] But it's not like they sorted that out straight away.
[04:03.200 -> 04:06.880] There was like three separate don't talk to me in the breaking zones by the end of it
[04:06.880 -> 04:12.320] I'm pretty sure lamb Yassi was just waiting on the talk radio, right? He's coming down the main streets coming down
[04:12.320 -> 04:13.280] I'm a stupid bastard
[04:13.280 -> 04:18.620] I'll show him to tell me when I can't talk and then soon to get into the breaking zone. Hey Max
[04:19.200 -> 04:22.060] You having a nice day. You good, you know family good
[04:23.220 -> 04:26.400] Remember your drink remember your drink drink. And we are joined
[04:26.400 -> 04:34.080] in the shed by Essex streamer Scott Stuffy Tuffy. Hey Scott. Hey Spanners. I think it was an
[04:34.080 -> 04:39.600] intriguing weekend with some conspiracies floating around. I've got some conspiracies
[04:40.800 -> 04:45.440] to get off my chest. Oh that is good. I think have some validation to them.
[04:45.440 -> 04:48.400] Okay, just know that like my job will be to pour
[04:48.400 -> 04:49.640] cold water on them and be like,
[04:49.640 -> 04:51.320] Scott, you're going crazy,
[04:51.320 -> 04:53.640] but just know between you and me, like I'm all in.
[04:53.640 -> 04:55.840] I am drinking what you're serving up.
[04:55.840 -> 04:57.400] Definitely, looking forward to it.
[04:57.400 -> 05:00.540] And to stick on the Essex County borders,
[05:00.540 -> 05:02.520] we have Antonia Rankin.
[05:02.520 -> 05:03.560] Hey, Antonia.
[05:03.560 -> 05:06.160] Hi, yeah, whilst everything is bigger in America,
[05:06.160 -> 05:12.080] unfortunately for Ferrari and McLaren not everything is faster. No, so Ferrari and McLaren,
[05:12.080 -> 05:16.480] we could have predicted, and I did predict before the shows that this kind of layout and a
[05:16.480 -> 05:22.960] traditionally high wear circuit was never going to suit them, but at least the Ferrari fans got
[05:22.960 -> 05:25.360] some false hope for a little while. It's easy
[05:25.360 -> 05:30.080] to forget that Leclerc started this Grand Prix on actual pole position.
[05:30.960 -> 05:36.400] Yeah, finishing P6 was probably pretty sobering for the Monegasque driver, wasn't it? And every
[05:36.400 -> 05:41.280] Ferrari fan watching at home. But I'm sure by now they've learned not to have too much hope.
[05:41.280 -> 05:45.200] Poor Ferrari fans just on the floor rocking. they go, look, do you remember we
[05:45.200 -> 05:49.840] talked about it in, was it Singapore, where they had their happy, happy day. I wonder how long,
[05:49.840 -> 05:54.640] I wonder how long that lasted before they now go back to, no, we've gone back to expecting nothing.
[05:55.200 -> 05:58.080] I'm pretty sure the sad, sad is back and here to stay.
[05:58.640 -> 06:02.320] The sad, sad's back, but not for Missed Apex as we get on with our race review.
[06:02.600 -> 06:06.700] but not for Missed Apex as we get on with our race review.
[06:10.700 -> 06:13.800] Okay, so actually a bunch of strategy in this race. We're going to kick off straight away with could Mercedes,
[06:13.800 -> 06:16.500] could Lewis Hamilton have won this race?
[06:16.500 -> 06:19.900] But I think the first thing I want to say is look when there
[06:19.900 -> 06:23.500] isn't a straight one-stop, when the tyres get to the point
[06:23.500 -> 06:25.120] where on genuine wear, not like
[06:25.120 -> 06:31.560] Qatar, but on genuine wear, we have to have more than one stop. F1 delivers classic races.
[06:31.560 -> 06:35.840] Antonia, are they ever going to get to the point where they just out and out acknowledge
[06:35.840 -> 06:40.360] that the best Formula One is a two stop or beyond?
[06:40.360 -> 06:44.280] I don't know, because whilst I do agree, I do think we had a fantastic race today, especially
[06:44.280 -> 06:49.440] towards the latter stages. When we saw mandated pit stops, for example, a couple of weeks
[06:49.440 -> 06:53.960] ago, it didn't really add much to the race. It made the race very predictable. It meant
[06:53.960 -> 06:58.760] that nobody really saw proper degradation. So in terms of mandating pit stops, which
[06:58.760 -> 07:03.760] I've seen a few fans suggest might work, that wouldn't really make things more interesting.
[07:03.760 -> 07:09.360] And the only step that could be taken aside from that would be Pirelli deliberately making the tyres wear down, even
[07:09.360 -> 07:14.400] more so than they already do. So yeah, we had a fantastic race today. I think small adjustments
[07:14.400 -> 07:19.680] could be made perhaps to future races to encourage pit stops. But yeah, the more pit stops, the more
[07:19.680 -> 07:25.360] strategy, the better. And that does leave us wide open, Matt, to the thing we find most intriguing,
[07:25.360 -> 07:31.080] which is teams working their way through a tyre strategy. Obviously, like the drivers have got to
[07:31.080 -> 07:36.960] do the overtaking and the engineers have got to deliver some race pace, but that tyre strategy,
[07:36.960 -> 07:44.680] in the normal course of a Grand Prix, having troughs and peaks of excitement, the tyre
[07:44.680 -> 07:46.000] strategy is the thing where you go,
[07:46.000 -> 07:50.120] right, I'm staring at the live timing, and this was one of those races, I was watching
[07:50.120 -> 07:52.840] it a lot in the live timing screen.
[07:52.840 -> 07:58.840] Yeah, in the sense that the live timing is just enthralling, because you understand the
[07:58.840 -> 08:04.700] stakes involved, and this, you wish every track, it would work out like this, but they
[08:04.700 -> 08:07.500] brought the correct tyres for the race.
[08:07.500 -> 08:10.500] Not so much, I think, for the sprint, but certainly for the race.
[08:10.500 -> 08:12.500] They brought the correct tires.
[08:12.500 -> 08:18.000] The pit delta was around 20 seconds, so it was manageable.
[08:18.000 -> 08:23.500] And there was just enough performance in it for no one to really know.
[08:23.500 -> 08:27.280] At least until we watched Carlos Sainz
[08:27.280 -> 08:33.200] easily blow past poor old Charles Leclerc, whether the one stop or the two stop was going
[08:33.200 -> 08:38.520] to be the way to go. And even then, just inverting the order of the tires gave us like, just
[08:38.520 -> 08:42.080] a classic nail-biter all the way to the last lap.
[08:42.080 -> 08:47.100] Okay, but I just want to be clear that them not knowing in the moment which was the best
[08:47.100 -> 08:51.440] way to go doesn't stop us judging it in hindsight and going, well, they definitely should have
[08:51.440 -> 08:53.320] done this, that or the other.
[08:53.320 -> 08:55.240] No, judging pants are going on right now.
[08:55.240 -> 08:57.120] Yeah, no, I completely agree.
[08:57.120 -> 09:00.600] I was sat there thinking this is actually getting really interesting because it seemed
[09:00.600 -> 09:09.160] even the teams weren't quite sure what direction they were going to take until they did. Other than McLaren, who I think were too reliant on their pre-race planning
[09:09.160 -> 09:13.280] for those two sets of hard tyres, I think they would have benefited from the medium
[09:13.280 -> 09:16.680] towards the end of the race, but then again with a lighter fuel load, that would have
[09:16.680 -> 09:21.220] complicated things. But I think a lot of the teams were really reliant on data from other
[09:21.220 -> 09:25.280] drivers to dictate their decisions later on, especially given that there
[09:25.280 -> 09:30.720] were two pit stops for the majority of the teams. You know, I think there was a lot of reactive pit
[09:30.720 -> 09:35.440] stopping, a lot of reactive tyre choices, and yeah, that made things really exciting.
[09:35.440 -> 09:39.680] I love that we're already like deep into the weeds because I definitely, when we get to McLaren,
[09:39.680 -> 09:45.440] I want to argue with you on that tyre choice as well. They were struggling on the hards, but I think
[09:45.440 -> 09:53.360] definitely hone in on could Lewis Hamilton have won this race stuffy? It felt like early on
[09:54.640 -> 10:01.360] there was a goal there to be had, but it just seemed to just always be slightly out of grasp.
[10:02.560 -> 10:06.880] The short answer is yes, he could have done. Max, the Red
[10:06.880 -> 10:10.640] Bull wasn't its supreme self that it has been all year.
[10:11.000 -> 10:15.120] There's a varied reasons for that, probably them stopping
[10:15.200 -> 10:17.720] development and probably focusing on next year. And
[10:18.040 -> 10:21.040] obviously this circuit being a lot bumpier than other circuits
[10:21.040 -> 10:25.680] and predominantly the Red Bull has struggled at bumpy circuits where
[10:25.680 -> 10:31.000] they've had to increase the ride height and not run the car as low as possible. With this
[10:31.000 -> 10:39.040] new ground effect era, obviously the floor has to be run as low as possible, which is
[10:39.040 -> 10:47.000] why we saw the pulps in effect and Red Bull was still able to kind of maximize that performance. But yes, there
[10:47.000 -> 10:52.000] was a number of reasons. Mercedes obviously dilly dallying with kind of their pit stop,
[10:52.000 -> 10:56.980] not deciding what they kind of want to go for a one stop, then a two stop. And then
[10:56.980 -> 11:01.840] Lewis having to make up so much time not being able to overtake Charles quick enough and
[11:01.840 -> 11:05.280] Norris and, and for me the big one my first conspiracy
[11:05.280 -> 11:12.880] of the night guys okay let's go for it is Danny Ricardo conveniently coming out yeah in front of
[11:12.880 -> 11:19.680] but behind Max in front of Lando Norris and Lewis Hamilton and this was the court this was the lap
[11:19.680 -> 11:30.500] where Hamilton got past Norris and as anyone who's paid attention this whole weekend the dirty air of the cars was tricky. Those who were following, even Max today
[11:30.500 -> 11:34.960] struggled in dirty air. In the sprint race he was clear out in front and he
[11:34.960 -> 11:39.720] drove away with the with the wing comfortably. But Lewis got caught up by
[11:39.720 -> 11:47.280] Ricciardo who has gone on to a set of convenient soft tires and ran free laps on the same pace
[11:47.280 -> 11:53.120] as Lewis and if anyone kept an eye on the lap times, Lewis lost out and I think it was
[11:53.120 -> 11:59.000] three laps or so and once he cleared Danny Rick, he was like on the back of the bags
[11:59.000 -> 12:00.400] and he needed one more lap.
[12:00.400 -> 12:05.340] So first conspiracy of the night is did Red Bull or did Mr. Helmut Marko call
[12:05.340 -> 12:11.220] AlphaTauri and say bring him in now and send him out? So I have to... hang on let
[12:11.220 -> 12:16.940] me put on my corporate voice... I disagree strongly just because the junior team
[12:16.940 -> 12:21.200] which is an entirely separate entity and makes its own decisions just because
[12:21.200 -> 12:25.120] their driver came out behind the lead Red Bull driver and in
[12:25.120 -> 12:29.440] front of the driver that was catching them up are inexplicably on a soft tyre
[12:29.440 -> 12:34.880] that was not good for overall strategy and that cost Lewis Hamilton enough time
[12:34.880 -> 12:38.800] to deny him the race win. Just because all of those things are true, how
[12:38.800 -> 12:47.800] dare you in fact? How dare you say that Alfa Tauri, they can't, Alpha Tauri do not deserve that kind of conspiracy
[12:47.800 -> 12:51.400] from you, Scott. But it does look Dodge.
[12:51.400 -> 12:54.000] I smell hypocrisy, Stanis.
[12:54.000 -> 12:55.520] Okay, let's go.
[12:55.520 -> 13:00.880] My word, there you are every other weekend yapping on about, oh, they're the B team for
[13:00.880 -> 13:05.200] Red Bull, Alpha Tauri are doing everything to benefit Red Bull, how convenient.
[13:05.200 -> 13:07.800] I'm so surprised you aren't agreeing with Stuffy here.
[13:07.800 -> 13:08.800] No, no.
[13:08.800 -> 13:11.320] Late night devil's advocate speaking.
[13:11.320 -> 13:15.040] Because you know me, no conspiracies are ever true.
[13:15.040 -> 13:19.840] But the thing is, I do see the argument here. Whilst I do agree it's a bit of a stretch,
[13:19.840 -> 13:24.720] yes it's a conspiracy, I think if there were any substantiative evidence to prove this
[13:24.720 -> 13:29.680] had happened then there would be big trouble for Red Bull and Alfa Tauri. However, you must admit,
[13:29.680 -> 13:35.200] it looks convenient. Conveniently coming out on the soft tyre, which no, did not suit the car,
[13:35.200 -> 13:41.760] did not perform well, and yes, holding up Lewis Hamilton just enough so as to other to avoid him
[13:41.760 -> 13:45.240] the race win. Yeah. It definitely looks bad.
[13:45.240 -> 13:47.760] Okay, I'm gonna have to pour cold water on this again,
[13:47.760 -> 13:49.640] because for this to carry any weight,
[13:49.640 -> 13:53.040] there would have to be several previous instances
[13:53.040 -> 13:55.240] of Alpha Tau redrivers being deployed
[13:55.240 -> 13:58.180] to hold up Lewis Hamilton in a competitive situation.
[13:58.180 -> 14:01.120] And no one can remember a single one.
[14:01.120 -> 14:02.440] But I do wanna focus on,
[14:02.440 -> 14:04.680] could Lewis Hamilton have won this race?
[14:04.680 -> 14:08.760] Now, all of this is caveated by the fact we're recording quite soon after the race and Chris
[14:08.760 -> 14:13.760] Medland has tweeted and if Chris Medland hasn't tweeted it, it didn't happen.
[14:13.760 -> 14:19.080] Breaking news, Hamilton and Leclerc referred to the stewards for issues with the plank
[14:19.080 -> 14:20.840] in post-race checks.
[14:20.840 -> 14:26.080] If you fail a post-race technical check, says Chris, it's usually a disqualification.
[14:26.080 -> 14:31.640] So firstly, I would like to say to the FIA stewards, leave Charles Leclerc alone. He
[14:31.640 -> 14:36.040] has suffered enough. His punishment was baked into the race.
[14:36.040 -> 14:37.040] Ferrari strategy.
[14:37.040 -> 14:43.900] So what we're going to do, we won't discuss that specific penalty unless we get breaking
[14:43.900 -> 14:46.640] news during the race, that that has occurred
[14:46.640 -> 14:51.360] and he has been penalised. So just a brief translation of this for those who, because
[14:51.360 -> 14:56.160] the wording of this is quite confusing. The plank is a board underneath a car made out of wood.
[14:56.160 -> 15:00.880] If it's worn too thin over the course of a race, that means that the car has been run too close to
[15:00.880 -> 15:04.960] the ground. The car is hitting the ground and scraping the wood away basically. And that's how
[15:04.960 -> 15:08.720] the FIA know that a team has been running the car too low to the ground.
[15:08.720 -> 15:13.980] This kind of came about more in the new era of F1 since the aerodynamic regulations came
[15:13.980 -> 15:20.040] in and porpoising was a thing. But I'm kind of surprised to see it at this race. I mean,
[15:20.040 -> 15:24.300] Kota is a relatively high downforce circuit, so the car, yeah, you'd want to run it close
[15:24.300 -> 15:29.280] to the ground, but you've got one really long straight. I don't know. I wasn't expecting
[15:29.280 -> 15:35.840] to see it here, especially, I don't know. I think it's an interesting potential penalty
[15:35.840 -> 15:40.360] to be given, especially given that it's on only one of each team's car, not both, which
[15:40.360 -> 15:45.520] means they've got different setups. But yeah, no, I think it's definitely an interesting
[15:45.520 -> 15:49.360] thing to highlight because it suggests that both of those cars were running very close to the ground
[15:49.360 -> 15:54.800] at a circuit where I wouldn't have called that. Yeah, and also just to note that plank is also
[15:54.800 -> 15:59.760] an affectionate term for a royal artillery gunner, although you'd never catch me using that phrase.
[16:00.400 -> 16:26.860] It's also an exercise. What I find interesting about this is that it plays into something that Scott mentioned earlier, which is that I think one of Mercedes biggest advantages at this track is the fact that it was quite bumpy. and McLaren, their nearest rivals, have to run a higher ride height than is really comfortable
[16:26.860 -> 16:28.020] for them.
[16:28.020 -> 16:34.060] But Mercedes, because they went with the fabulously flawed zero-pod concept at the beginning of
[16:34.060 -> 16:39.140] the year, I think have been stuck generally not being able to lower the car as much as
[16:39.140 -> 16:41.820] they'd like at most tracks.
[16:41.820 -> 16:46.080] But the flip side of that is they have figured out how to optimize the car at higher
[16:46.080 -> 16:51.360] ride heights. So I think actually the bumps at this track was a big advantage for Mercedes,
[16:51.360 -> 16:57.120] and I'm quite surprised to hear that they're potentially have infringed on the technical
[16:57.120 -> 17:05.760] requirements for plank wear, along with Ferrari, that it's only one teammate each time round.
[17:05.760 -> 17:10.240] Yeah, okay, well we'll keep an eye on that, but for now let's take the results as classified
[17:10.240 -> 17:14.960] after the race and talk about whether Lewis Hamilton could have won. So one of the key
[17:15.520 -> 17:22.240] elements in this battle was the timing of the pit stop. So to set the scene, well we all watched
[17:22.240 -> 17:25.760] the race, but to set the scene Lewis Hamilton was ahead of Verstappen.
[17:25.760 -> 17:32.400] Verstappen was fighting his way from sixth place. Charles Leclerc, if you remember, did actually start this race on pole.
[17:32.400 -> 17:34.400] But Lando Norris was in
[17:34.680 -> 17:37.340] genuine pole position for winning this race.
[17:37.340 -> 17:45.800] But Matt, it all kind of unraveled a little bit in the the first pit stop phase. So they all started on mediums?
[17:45.800 -> 17:47.600] They all started on mediums.
[17:47.600 -> 17:51.520] Yeah, there was a couple of hard starters in the pit lane.
[17:51.520 -> 17:52.560] Which we'll get to later.
[17:52.560 -> 17:54.040] Some chances in the pit lane.
[17:54.040 -> 17:57.040] But yeah, so Max Verstappen pulls the trigger.
[17:57.040 -> 18:00.360] Now the first thing I thought when Max Verstappen came in
[18:00.360 -> 18:07.600] was Hamilton looked way more comfortable on that medium than Lando Norris. So the best case
[18:07.600 -> 18:14.160] scenario for Mercedes would have been no pit window to drop into, nobody pits, and this first stint
[18:14.160 -> 18:19.600] gets extended, and in that circumstance, let's say they weren't allowed to pit for some reason,
[18:19.600 -> 18:31.000] Hamilton was going to do... he was doing his normal stalk, he was doing his 2019-2020 stalk where he was holding his distance, and then I think he would have chewed up Norris had they been forced to go longer.
[18:31.000 -> 18:51.840] But Verstappen, you know, rolled the dice and set off were young? No, this isn't about a pub. And they had like just a temper.
[18:51.840 -> 18:54.960] You could say one thing to them and they'd immediately be yelling at you.
[18:54.960 -> 18:58.220] We shouldn't say the name of the people we're thinking about because I want to protect Rob
[18:58.220 -> 18:59.800] Smith at all costs.
[18:59.800 -> 19:10.000] Okay. But then those people get into their 40s and you can, you can, they can go a while before they get angry, but like that fundamentally that that hair trigger still lives on.
[19:10.000 -> 19:11.000] Okay.
[19:11.000 -> 19:17.000] Well, in Mercedes, you remember how much trouble they've had warming up the tires at the beginning of the race.
[19:17.000 -> 19:26.080] To me, I think I still see a hint of that in the character of their car. And so what we have is Lewis Hamilton getting the tires
[19:26.080 -> 19:32.000] into the right place, pushing hard, coming on, catching Norris with Verstappen behind him, and
[19:32.000 -> 19:38.160] then Max, surprisingly to me, this was the first hint I think that everything wasn't right at Red
[19:38.160 -> 19:47.200] Bull, tries to undercut to get ahead, and that's not, that's not something you'd expect from a car that generally does
[19:47.200 -> 19:52.160] very well with tires and shows increasing performance the longer into the stint you
[19:52.160 -> 19:55.920] go. That's not where their bread and butter lies.
[19:55.920 -> 20:00.520] Yeah, I would completely agree, especially going back to what you said about tire wear.
[20:00.520 -> 20:09.920] This is a really difficult circuit for tire wear because the load on the rear tyres is so much higher than on the front tyres, which basically means if you push too hard
[20:09.920 -> 20:14.480] in the first two thirds of a lap by the final sector, your rear tyres are gone, you've lost
[20:14.480 -> 20:18.560] your traction. And that's why we saw so many track limits, so many issues around those
[20:18.560 -> 20:23.680] final turns on the track. So in theory, yeah, Mercedes having struggled with tyre wear and
[20:23.680 -> 20:25.480] Red Bull having notably
[20:25.480 -> 20:31.040] not there should have been more of a performance gulf between them. So I think in a way, Mercedes
[20:31.040 -> 20:35.520] probably pulled up to this race and on the radio to Lewis went, yeah, actually, mate,
[20:35.520 -> 20:39.240] funnily enough, we're doing okay. And I don't think they were expecting that. So yes, a
[20:39.240 -> 20:44.000] lot of their decisions today were very reactive, but great to see them up there. Whether Lewis
[20:44.000 -> 20:49.840] could have won the race, I don't think so. Like I said, a circuit like Cota does exaggerate tyre wear differences.
[20:49.840 -> 20:54.080] Everyone yell at Antonio now. So I think Scott disagrees.
[20:56.000 -> 21:00.400] I think there's a number of reasons other than just strategy that Mercedes could have won this
[21:00.400 -> 21:07.120] race. I saw a great quote earlier after the race, but we're forever talking about the driver in the car in F1,
[21:07.120 -> 21:11.280] but today really showed how important the team element is
[21:11.280 -> 21:16.280] and how all of the other, the strategists, the engineers,
[21:16.400 -> 21:18.920] how important they are to a race win.
[21:18.920 -> 21:23.920] And in particular today, Mercedes on a number of fronts,
[21:24.040 -> 21:25.000] as we already said, kind of dilly-dallied a little bit on whether they wanted to commit to a number of fronts, as we already said, kind of
[21:25.000 -> 21:27.000] dilly-dallied a little bit on whether they wanted to commit
[21:27.000 -> 21:31.000] to a one-stop, go for the sub-optimum strategy, and then
[21:31.000 -> 21:36.000] I'm surprised they tried to do that because a few years ago
[21:36.000 -> 21:40.000] Lewis got stung by sticking to a one-stop strategy and then
[21:40.000 -> 21:43.000] lost the race win to his own teammate who was on a two-stop.
[21:43.000 -> 21:47.680] So one-stop's never been preferable at K Kota as Antonio has said, due to the load
[21:47.680 -> 21:50.780] that he's put through the tires at this circuit, it is quite harsh, especially
[21:50.780 -> 21:52.900] if you get high temperatures and then.
[21:53.300 -> 21:54.700] Also their pit stops.
[21:54.740 -> 22:00.160] Once again, Mercedes for years and years now have just been
[22:00.640 -> 22:02.300] suffering with their pit stops.
[22:02.300 -> 22:04.940] They are so, I can't remember the last time they had a 2.5
[22:04.940 -> 22:07.200] second, 2.6 second pit stop. It is always in the mid their pit stops. They are so, I can't remember the last time they had a 2.5 second, 2.6 second pit stop.
[22:07.200 -> 22:09.880] It is always in the mid three second range.
[22:09.880 -> 22:14.000] And it's all hypothetical of like what ifs and buts.
[22:14.000 -> 22:16.960] But if you look at that over the course of the years,
[22:16.960 -> 22:18.880] the amount of seconds they've lost
[22:18.880 -> 22:20.040] over the course of a race,
[22:20.040 -> 22:22.120] especially when you've got a two stop race,
[22:22.120 -> 22:25.320] I think compared to Red Bull and McLaren,
[22:25.320 -> 22:28.520] at least lost probably three seconds,
[22:28.520 -> 22:31.360] if we're being generous, over the course of this race,
[22:31.360 -> 22:35.320] which was the potential, would have put him,
[22:35.320 -> 22:38.400] theoretically, in air quotes, ahead of Verstappen.
[22:38.400 -> 22:41.360] So operationally, Lewis even said it after the race,
[22:41.360 -> 22:42.720] they need to improve.
[22:42.720 -> 22:44.720] See, ranking, this is where you're gonna struggle
[22:44.720 -> 22:47.980] if you say that Mercedes couldn't have won this race,
[22:47.980 -> 22:51.460] I think Scott's going to keep coming back with small factors
[22:51.460 -> 22:54.500] and I think it's going to be death by a thousand cuts.
[22:54.500 -> 22:55.940] Well, it would be, wouldn't it from Scott?
[22:55.940 -> 22:58.180] Can I just say for our dear listeners
[22:58.180 -> 23:00.540] who can't see the screen at the moment,
[23:00.540 -> 23:03.100] not only is Scott sat there in a Mercedes shirt.
[23:03.100 -> 23:08.720] Scott is dying of death right now, oh my God. Mercedes shirt Mercedes shirt. He also has a Lewis Hamilton poster and a
[23:08.720 -> 23:13.440] mini replica helmet. So as the non-partisan member, because Spanners doesn't get a say here.
[23:13.440 -> 23:19.120] Listen, I was trying to give off positive energy today, okay. I really wanted Lewis to do well
[23:19.120 -> 23:22.320] and I thought, why not put on the team colours?
[23:22.320 -> 23:26.840] Well, whilst you were burning your candles and doing your rituals, he unfortunately came
[23:26.840 -> 23:29.560] P2. I hate to break it to you.
[23:29.560 -> 23:30.560] Thanks for reminding me.
[23:30.560 -> 23:31.880] Wow, that was a murder ranking.
[23:31.880 -> 23:37.120] All I'm saying is there might be some bias, dear listeners.
[23:37.120 -> 23:42.800] That's fair. And we don't mind that. We are not adverse to bias. I tend to say to people,
[23:42.800 -> 23:46.080] like, admit your bias. and Scott is quietly sitting there
[23:46.080 -> 23:49.440] with a Lewis Hamilton poster, mini helmet, and top. Matt?
[23:49.440 -> 23:54.240] I've now remembered exactly why I'm terrified of Antonia, to be honest.
[23:54.240 -> 23:54.320] Yeah, yeah.
[23:54.320 -> 23:58.480] Okay. So, but I want to bring it back to the first stop.
[23:58.480 -> 23:59.680] Yes, yes, key.
[23:59.680 -> 24:05.120] But I also want to point out that what we're talking about here isn't quite whether or not Lewis
[24:05.120 -> 24:06.600] could have won.
[24:06.600 -> 24:11.200] The question is whether or not, under the right circumstances, Lewis would have been
[24:11.200 -> 24:16.880] within, let's say, DRS of Max by the final lap.
[24:16.880 -> 24:18.480] Because I think that's really what it is.
[24:18.480 -> 24:23.680] Whether or not he could have won is an entirely separate, unwinnable discussion that you don't
[24:23.680 -> 24:25.240] ever want to have on Twitter, just
[24:25.240 -> 24:26.240] trust me on this.
[24:26.240 -> 24:30.600] But whether or not he could have caught Max and been fighting for the win, that's what
[24:30.600 -> 24:32.760] we really want to talk about here.
[24:32.760 -> 24:36.020] And I want to start with the magic lap.
[24:36.020 -> 24:41.720] And to me, I don't think the answer was to have tried to undercut Norris, which would
[24:41.720 -> 24:44.240] have pitted him the same lap as Max.
[24:44.240 -> 24:45.920] That means Max would have been behind him, but Max would have pitted him the same lap as Max. That means Max would have been behind
[24:45.920 -> 24:50.960] him, but Max would have been behind him on a medium tire. He would have been on a hard tire.
[24:50.960 -> 24:56.960] And we saw Max eventually catch Lando and pass him with that medium tire. The same would have
[24:56.960 -> 25:07.380] happened to Lewis, I do believe. However, the real issue here is I went through and I looked at the stent lengths of that
[25:07.380 -> 25:09.860] of anyone who put on the hard tire.
[25:09.860 -> 25:14.260] The longest stent was 21 laps, and that was done by Logan Sargent.
[25:14.260 -> 25:18.100] So I'm just not going to take that as an entire bellwether here.
[25:18.100 -> 25:28.400] And I'm going to say that he could have pitted earlier than he did, specifically lap 18. His hard tyre would have gone 19 laps,
[25:28.400 -> 25:34.720] he could have still put on the medium and he was 22 and change ahead of Max,
[25:34.720 -> 25:39.680] which means he would have come out either right with Max or slightly in front of him.
[25:39.680 -> 25:43.760] So this is the key, yeah sorry, this is the key that you've touched on the key thing that's been
[25:43.760 -> 25:47.800] bothering me is that Hamilton had lots of tyre left at the
[25:47.800 -> 25:50.840] end of the race and that critical period where they kept him out.
[25:50.960 -> 25:56.040] And on the radio, they asked both drivers, they said, Lewis, do you think you can do
[25:56.200 -> 25:59.600] another five laps? He's like, nah, nah, it seems a bit sketch.
[25:59.880 -> 26:02.840] They asked Russell and Russell was like, yeah, no, no problem.
[26:02.960 -> 26:06.640] But Russell was going around quite a bit slower than Hamilton.
[26:06.640 -> 26:07.960] I saw you.
[26:07.960 -> 26:11.560] Yeah, Hamilton used his tires harder at the beginning.
[26:11.560 -> 26:13.480] And honestly, when it comes to tire wear,
[26:13.480 -> 26:17.160] I don't think Russell is necessarily always the best judge.
[26:17.160 -> 26:21.080] No, so they seem to initially listen to Russell
[26:21.080 -> 26:22.440] and then went, oh, no.
[26:22.440 -> 26:23.800] They look at the lap times.
[26:23.800 -> 26:30.000] If you were watching the lap times, and you should be, the best way to enjoy an F1 race is to look at the
[26:30.000 -> 26:35.600] F1 provided lap times, I think it's like $2 a month to subscribe to that in the UK,
[26:35.600 -> 26:41.040] it is definitely worth it, increases the value, you could see as they were having this argument,
[26:41.040 -> 26:47.560] Hamilton's lap times go out and out and you go right, and they obviously, Mercedes saw that and went, we've made the wrong shout here.
[26:47.560 -> 26:49.320] We need to dial it back and get him in.
[26:49.320 -> 26:51.360] But again, then they were just cut.
[26:51.360 -> 26:53.880] They were stuck between two strategies, Matt.
[26:53.880 -> 26:55.000] And this is the key thing as well.
[26:55.000 -> 27:00.040] I think Mercedes were going for a one stop, got confidence from Russell going, it's completely
[27:00.040 -> 27:01.040] fine.
[27:01.040 -> 27:10.720] And then realized they were wrong and got stuck in no man's land. I think they were really playing for the medium and the last stint, especially because they knew
[27:10.720 -> 27:15.200] Max had put on the medium and they had a really good idea of when he was going to have to pit,
[27:15.200 -> 27:19.040] when that performance was going to start to drop off for him. In fact, they probably thought he
[27:19.040 -> 27:23.760] was going to go a bit longer, which might have been what ultimately influenced their thinking
[27:23.760 -> 27:29.440] to keep Lewis out later. They thought Max would be able to extend that second stint, not realizing he had other
[27:29.440 -> 27:34.240] issues he was coping with that was not going to make that work the way Red Bull wanted.
[27:34.240 -> 27:41.280] But looking at the actual numbers from the race, he could have gone to lap 18, pitted,
[27:41.840 -> 27:47.200] and theoretically been out about a half a second to a second ahead of Max.
[27:47.200 -> 27:52.000] And that was the situation that potentially wins him the race.
[27:52.000 -> 27:56.720] The first off, because as Scott mentioned earlier, there's about five or six things
[27:56.720 -> 28:01.800] we're going to wind up running into that all cost him time in this race that kept him from
[28:01.800 -> 28:03.240] catching Max.
[28:03.240 -> 28:06.000] But yeah, that was the first and I think the biggest.
[28:06.560 -> 28:10.960] Yeah, lots to unpick in that. Going back to lap 18, yeah, Verstappen could have,
[28:10.960 -> 28:15.680] Verstappen pitted lap 16, so there was room for Mercedes to be reactive there whilst still
[28:15.680 -> 28:20.400] staying relatively close. At that point, I don't know what they were thinking with strategy as in
[28:20.400 -> 28:24.400] where their heads were at, because like I said, I don't think they'd clocked that they could
[28:24.400 -> 28:25.500] potentially win the race
[28:25.740 -> 28:27.500] until a good chunk into it.
[28:27.500 -> 28:32.700] Apparently Bruce says Toto said they were going for a one-stop, but stint one made them decide no.
[28:33.060 -> 28:38.820] Well, there you go. Part two. For the final laps when it comes down to tyres
[28:38.820 -> 28:42.980] it didn't matter whether one of them had two laps more, three laps more
[28:43.640 -> 28:46.320] it didn't come, it wouldn't have come down to that.
[28:46.320 -> 28:52.160] If the race had two more laps and Verstappen and Hamilton were where they were, but just
[28:52.160 -> 28:57.780] two more laps on the race, I still don't think Lewis could have taken Verstappen because
[28:57.780 -> 29:03.560] going back to the physics and the genealogy of the track, he would have pushed so hard
[29:03.560 -> 29:05.200] in the first couple of sectors, knowing
[29:05.200 -> 29:09.560] that he only had one lap or two laps to do it, knowing that sector one and turn one is
[29:09.560 -> 29:13.920] an excellent place to take. He would have pushed so hard in the first sector of the
[29:13.920 -> 29:18.320] lap that his rear tyres would have lost all of their traction, all of their responsivity
[29:18.320 -> 29:23.200] by the final turns, and he wouldn't have been able to catch and overtake him by the
[29:23.200 -> 29:28.000] end of the lap. So for those reasons, I do not think in those circumstances,
[29:28.000 -> 29:31.200] with those tyres in that race, he could have won.
[29:31.200 -> 29:35.000] And this is, I think this butts up right against what Scott has been saying.
[29:35.000 -> 29:37.000] So I'll give the floor to Stuffy.
[29:37.000 -> 29:41.000] I'm just saying the laws of physics don't apply when Max and Lewis go will-to-will.
[29:41.000 -> 29:48.640] Do you remember 2021? Or Brazil last year? I genuinely think if
[29:48.640 -> 29:52.880] I just think with Max struggling with his brakes, and you could tell he was getting
[29:52.880 -> 29:56.920] a bit anxious on the radio, a little bit nervous on the radio and getting even more shorter
[29:56.920 -> 30:03.160] with his engineer than he normally does. He knew Lewis was chasing him down. He knew and
[30:03.160 -> 30:06.400] he was probably wishing for that chequered flag
[30:06.400 -> 30:09.800] and that we don't know if it was going to be the case,
[30:09.800 -> 30:14.900] but I think Lewis definitely had a bit of a tyre advantage
[30:14.900 -> 30:17.600] there at the end and I think he would have forced Max into
[30:17.600 -> 30:19.600] some skullduggery.
[30:20.000 -> 30:23.200] We already saw Max, which I'm sure we'll get onto at some
[30:23.200 -> 30:28.600] point, sent it, sent it on the inside of Charles Leclerc and new racing rules,
[30:28.600 -> 30:30.700] whether you agree with him or not, I definitely don't disagree,
[30:30.800 -> 30:31.900] definitely don't agree with him.
[30:33.000 -> 30:35.800] We would have seen something of the like in regards to Max defending
[30:35.800 -> 30:40.300] against Lewis, but yeah, it's, I still think there's so many
[30:40.300 -> 30:42.600] different scenarios where Lewis could have won this race.
[30:42.600 -> 30:44.900] Let's get Antonio in and then Matt, I know you've got a deeper
[30:44.900 -> 30:45.520] point there and then we, I know you've got a deeper point there.
[30:45.520 -> 30:47.440] And then we'll move on from Mercedes.
[30:47.440 -> 30:51.840] I will say though, Lewis does deserve full credit and it's something he's always been
[30:51.840 -> 30:55.440] exceptional at and one thing that does set him apart from other drivers.
[30:55.440 -> 31:02.000] Lewis is fantastic at biding his time, waiting close by, keeping the pressure on and waiting
[31:02.000 -> 31:09.600] for the other driver to make an error. And that's why we saw Verstappen sweating, that's why we saw him getting agitated on the radio,
[31:09.600 -> 31:15.440] because he knew that for the final good few laps of the race, that Hamilton was there
[31:15.440 -> 31:19.800] waiting ready to pounce. And it's something that Lewis has always been fantastic at, and
[31:19.800 -> 31:29.920] he played really well today. Unfortunately, it just didn't work in his favor. CW It didn't work by those two laps. They kept him out too long, I think. It didn't work
[31:29.920 -> 31:36.320] because Norris decided he thought he could hold Lewis off for second place when that was never
[31:36.320 -> 31:42.000] going to happen. It didn't work because of Ricardo, as we've already discussed. It didn't
[31:42.000 -> 31:48.560] work for a lot of reasons. It didn't work because Mercedes pit stops are just that much slower than Red Bulls.
[31:48.560 -> 31:52.720] But fundamentally, and I know I said this is an argument you should never have on Twitter,
[31:52.720 -> 31:54.360] but guess where I'm not right now?
[31:54.360 -> 31:55.360] Twitter.
[31:55.360 -> 31:57.360] Twitter, yeah, leave Twitter.
[31:57.360 -> 32:01.920] Fundamentally, fundamentally, Max had brake issues.
[32:01.920 -> 32:07.680] And I would argue that if Lewis Hamilton had DRS on Verstappen on the last
[32:07.680 -> 32:16.080] lap into turn 12, there is no way Max can outbreak him and defend in his normal manner.
[32:16.080 -> 32:23.800] And I think, had Mercedes got him that close, I think it's a victory for the Silver Arrows
[32:23.800 -> 32:33.000] here. Yeah, see I'm not sure. So, this is the crossover now between the Hamilton topic and then going to Max Verstappen.
[32:33.000 -> 32:38.000] Because Max Verstappen had work to do. So he had to get up out from 6th place.
[32:38.000 -> 32:44.000] He had decisive moves to make and Hamilton also had those same battles.
[32:44.000 -> 32:45.720] So, I think Scott, as much as you want
[32:45.720 -> 32:47.640] your conspiracy theories or whatever,
[32:47.640 -> 32:52.640] look at the time Hamilton lost behind Norris.
[32:53.960 -> 32:55.980] Verstappen didn't lose that time behind Norris.
[32:55.980 -> 32:58.240] Again, behind Leclerc, I think Hamilton lost
[32:58.240 -> 33:00.720] like a good half a lap, so I think you can account
[33:00.720 -> 33:03.320] for nearly a three-second difference
[33:03.320 -> 33:04.740] getting through that traffic.
[33:04.740 -> 33:06.560] So that's not a mad conspiracy theory.
[33:06.560 -> 33:10.360] And I worry that Hamilton's really down on himself going,
[33:10.360 -> 33:12.200] yeah, I made a big mistake last week.
[33:12.200 -> 33:13.920] I let everyone down.
[33:13.920 -> 33:16.720] And there's just this edge where Lewis Hamilton
[33:16.720 -> 33:19.880] has to apologise for shoving people off track
[33:19.880 -> 33:23.080] and making his silver arrow a missile.
[33:23.080 -> 33:25.600] Verstappen does not feel that at all, but
[33:25.600 -> 33:29.680] that was a fact. Verstappen cut through the traffic and cut through the pack
[33:30.240 -> 33:34.640] better than Lewis Hamilton today. Yeah, I think so. I don't think you can agree with that. He made
[33:34.640 -> 33:40.480] some great moves on the brakes down into Turn 12, I think it was, from quite far back. Can't deny
[33:40.480 -> 33:46.240] that. Most of them were clean. The one where he forced the issue was on the Claire
[33:46.240 -> 33:51.760] because he got stuck behind the Claire for quite a considerable amount of laps early on in the race
[33:51.760 -> 33:58.400] and he came from so far back and goes to this old racing rule, what is new racing rule, sorry,
[33:58.400 -> 34:06.880] not old racing rule because technically if you have a wheel, Brad's spoken about it plenty of times on this podcast,
[34:06.880 -> 34:13.000] about how if you get your rear wheels alongside the car's rear axle, then you're entitled
[34:13.000 -> 34:17.000] to that space. But I thought the rules had changed slightly this year, where they're
[34:17.000 -> 34:23.160] supposed to hit either car's width. And it got investigated by the stewards. And they
[34:23.160 -> 34:29.440] said there was no penalty to be gained, maybe because the Clare kept his foot in it because of the off-track nature.
[34:29.440 -> 34:35.920] But I still believe, for me, I still believe that showed his necessity and frustration
[34:35.920 -> 34:40.400] to get past the Ferrari and should have given that position back.
[34:40.400 -> 34:46.360] So that's also a roundabout there that could have thrown it into Lewis's direction.
[34:46.360 -> 34:50.280] But yeah, I don't think you can argue that Lewis kind of,
[34:50.280 -> 34:52.360] he doesn't go for that gung-ho attitude anymore.
[34:52.360 -> 34:56.240] He's more smart about his, his overtaking.
[34:56.240 -> 34:57.520] Like with Lando today,
[34:57.520 -> 35:00.160] he could have gone for that move when Lando-
[35:00.160 -> 35:01.680] Blocked him in turn one.
[35:01.680 -> 35:06.160] Yeah, jinxed too late into the corner but he lifted off he like was like no
[35:06.160 -> 35:09.360] i'll just do the cut back because i've got the better tires and grip. Okay if he was a bit
[35:09.360 -> 35:14.800] younger he might have taken the slipstream and tried to slip it up the inside. Okay so let's
[35:14.800 -> 35:19.600] address that that um overtaking move on Lando Norris first. I think that was so so i was going
[35:19.600 -> 35:24.400] to criticize you when you said oh he doesn't go for the gung-ho attitude. I do i do feel that he's
[35:24.400 -> 35:25.600] restricting himself.
[35:25.600 -> 35:30.900] So there's a psychological thing there where he goes, if I crash, that's more of a big deal and I've failed.
[35:30.900 -> 35:33.100] Whereas Verstappen isn't restricted by that.
[35:33.100 -> 35:38.100] And ultimately, that will cost Lewis Hamilton from here on in to the rest of his career,
[35:38.100 -> 35:41.500] because he's a quote-unquote role model, isn't he?
[35:41.500 -> 35:42.700] And I think he's aware of that.
[35:42.700 -> 35:44.500] He doesn't want to go skittling everyone.
[35:44.500 -> 35:48.960] And when he makes a mistake, he goes, oh no no, oh it was my bad, I'm so sorry. Verstappen
[35:48.960 -> 35:53.440] doesn't say that if he causes an accident, he goes, that's what you get if you don't
[35:53.440 -> 35:58.540] leave the space and walks across the racetrack. And that will limit Hamilton, but that move
[35:58.540 -> 36:07.880] on Lando Norris was absolutely sublime. Watch it back in sector 3 through the Istanbul rip-off section. Hamilton
[36:07.880 -> 36:13.200] had a run on Lando Norris but not enough of a tyre delta to hang it around the outside.
[36:13.200 -> 36:17.400] I think Lewis Hamilton knew there was no way he was getting around the outside, yet he
[36:17.400 -> 36:23.960] kept his nose in there to make Lando Norris defensive to ensure that he had DRS again
[36:23.960 -> 36:26.360] up to turn 1. And that was so smart
[36:26.360 -> 36:31.200] that I assumed he was going to get past him on turn one. I started typing it in the notes
[36:31.200 -> 36:35.960] and I looked up and I went, oh my goodness, I'm just in time to see Lando Norris cut very
[36:35.960 -> 36:42.880] late and really, like really defend very, very hard against Lewis Hamilton up the inside.
[36:42.880 -> 36:51.860] By the way, we didn't see that when he was defending against Verstappen. Maybe he doesn't want to ruin their next Bezi barbecue or golf
[36:51.860 -> 36:56.920] round or paddle ball or whatever they do. Very, very late, very hard defence and then
[36:56.920 -> 37:03.140] Hamilton very smart does a brilliant cutback. So as critical as I've been of Lewis Hamilton
[37:03.140 -> 37:06.480] wheel to wheel, that was incredible.
[37:06.480 -> 37:08.000] But I did want to point out one thing, Scott,
[37:08.000 -> 37:12.000] which is that whilst Max did struggle against Leclerc
[37:12.000 -> 37:15.880] for longer, Verstappen didn't have the same tire delta
[37:15.880 -> 37:18.120] that Lewis Hamilton then had later in the race.
[37:18.120 -> 37:20.320] So it was a bit of an easier overtake for Hamilton
[37:20.320 -> 37:22.120] against an ailing Leclerc.
[37:22.120 -> 37:23.000] Matt.
[37:23.000 -> 37:27.680] Well, I want to get back to the brakes thing, if I can, because
[37:27.680 -> 37:33.680] yes, you were right. Max used his brakes the entire race and they still worked at the end.
[37:33.680 -> 37:41.520] Yes. But specifically, the point that I want to make is his last pit stop. Did you see how he
[37:41.520 -> 37:49.340] rolled into his pit box? He did not come in there full speed and stomp on the brake pedal
[37:49.360 -> 37:51.740] at the very last moment.
[37:52.240 -> 37:56.880] He rolled into it like grandma and the supermarket parking lot.
[37:56.880 -> 37:57.680] Or grandpa.
[37:58.200 -> 38:00.640] Or grandpa, to be fair.
[38:01.200 -> 38:08.240] Uh, he, because he knew he couldn't trust the brakes, the brakes weren't working the way he
[38:08.240 -> 38:15.280] expected them to, and it was costing him. And the later in the race it got, the worse it got for
[38:15.280 -> 38:23.040] him. So to drag it back to the argument of, I think Lewis had the advantage on the brakes.
[38:23.040 -> 38:30.300] If he'd gotten within DRS in the last lap or two, I don't think Max had the car to defend
[38:30.300 -> 38:31.880] the way he normally would.
[38:31.880 -> 38:34.880] And I think Max was pretty aware of it too.
[38:34.880 -> 38:35.880] So that's...
[38:35.880 -> 38:37.700] Stop talking to me in the braking zone.
[38:37.700 -> 38:49.960] That's exactly why I think, had Mercedes been able to get him he would he would have been able to make that work. That said I'm not really gonna ding Mercedes here
[38:49.960 -> 38:55.400] Yeah, one stop to stop whatever. They were about two to two laps late. They gave him an
[38:56.080 -> 39:00.220] Extremely good strategy that were not for about five other things
[39:00.380 -> 39:07.340] Would have gotten him to max before the end of the race and given him a chance to pass with better tires. Yeah, so it's
[39:07.340 -> 39:10.440] like the difference between perfect and very, very good.
[39:10.680 -> 39:11.720] We're splitting hairs.
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[40:14.560 -> 40:22.520] Okay, so had Red Bull been any worse and had Verstappen been any worse, they wouldn't have
[40:22.520 -> 40:25.400] won the race today. So it's nice to kind of see them being tested.
[40:25.400 -> 40:29.120] So like Matt, like you'll remember 2018, 2019
[40:29.480 -> 40:31.920] was some of the best performances of Red Bull.
[40:31.920 -> 40:34.880] And actually they they had such a big effect on the race
[40:35.080 -> 40:37.680] with their very forward thinking strategy.
[40:37.680 -> 40:39.640] So this was like a Red Bull of old.
[40:39.640 -> 40:40.720] You know, they would roll the dice.
[40:40.720 -> 40:44.400] They would force the front teams to go, oh, well, we had this steady plan.
[40:44.560 -> 40:48.560] But now Red Bull have pitted three laps earlier, what are they doing? What are they
[40:48.560 -> 40:53.360] up to? And so it's almost been a shame this season with Verstappen's dominance and Red
[40:53.360 -> 40:57.040] Bull's dominance that we haven't seen them be able to stretch their legs because when
[40:57.040 -> 41:03.000] they need to, they are very aggressive on strategy, they are perfect on the pitstops,
[41:03.000 -> 41:05.040] I don't think the Verstappen long pit stop was the
[41:05.040 -> 41:12.560] pit crew's fault, but the strategy was there. They have vision as a race team. And yeah,
[41:12.560 -> 41:15.280] it was just nice to see them today. They had to win it.
[41:15.280 -> 41:24.320] They did. And it took everything they had from the driver and from the team to make that happen. And
[41:24.000 -> 41:29.000] and from the team to make that happen. And, honestly, just the rub of the green.
[41:29.000 -> 41:34.000] A little bit of luck when it came to Norris thinking he might hold off Hamilton.
[41:34.000 -> 41:37.000] That alone was the two seconds you're looking for.
[41:37.000 -> 41:43.000] Okay, but a lot of times we say, okay, there's a number of drivers who could have won this championship,
[41:43.000 -> 41:46.560] but Antonia, there's not every driver who would have
[41:46.560 -> 41:51.680] won from Max's position today. Yeah, I don't think Max's own teammate would have podiumed
[41:51.680 -> 41:56.000] from his position today to be quite frank. To be fair, I did say anyone in that car,
[41:57.840 -> 42:10.960] not the nerfed number 11. Oh, here we go. The thing is, I've tried to come up with every possible explanation for Perez's shocking
[42:10.960 -> 42:17.940] and embarrassing performances, both in quali and races and sprints. But from confidence
[42:17.940 -> 42:22.760] to trying to run a setup that matches Max's, that doesn't suit him, I don't think anything
[42:22.760 -> 42:25.280] can excuse how bleh he is at the
[42:25.280 -> 42:30.080] moment. There's no... I've talked about this a few times, there is a difference between
[42:30.080 -> 42:35.720] a good driver and a great driver and it's intelligent driving. You can be a great defender,
[42:35.720 -> 42:42.100] you can be a really, really good on the straights or something, but if you aren't driving intelligently
[42:42.100 -> 42:45.520] and with a certain flair that you only see the greats having,
[42:46.040 -> 42:47.200] you're not there.
[42:47.240 -> 42:50.400] And the thing is Perez isn't even nearly there at the moment.
[42:50.400 -> 42:53.860] He's having small errors that are ruining his races.
[42:53.860 -> 42:59.520] He's making small, consistent errors that are completely screwing him in qualifying.
[42:59.680 -> 43:02.640] He's getting track limits where Max isn't even coming close.
[43:03.000 -> 43:06.240] It's, everything is just not clicking with Perez
[43:06.240 -> 43:10.800] and like I said I don't know if it's because he's lost his confidence, whether he's trying to run a
[43:10.800 -> 43:15.120] setup that doesn't suit him because he's so desperate to be treated the same as Max is,
[43:16.080 -> 43:21.680] it's shocking and I frankly think his performance today was really, I mean P5 where was he,
[43:21.680 -> 43:26.400] how many times in the race did we actually talk about him? How many times in the championship
[43:26.400 -> 43:28.360] have we even spoken about him other than to say,
[43:28.360 -> 43:30.520] gosh, Max is making him look bad?
[43:30.520 -> 43:32.760] All right, so my strategy of trying to be really positive
[43:32.760 -> 43:35.280] about Max so that no one would talk about Perez,
[43:35.280 -> 43:37.540] that didn't work, did it, Stuffy?
[43:38.640 -> 43:40.000] No, quite not.
[43:40.000 -> 43:41.400] That didn't stop Antonio from going in,
[43:41.400 -> 43:43.600] but I totally agree with everything that she said.
[43:43.600 -> 43:47.240] Two-footed tackle, that. Everything that she said and all of the below.
[43:47.240 -> 43:49.000] It's a combination of everything.
[43:49.080 -> 43:53.160] Look, he was actually matching Max in pace at the start of the
[43:53.160 -> 43:56.800] season. I think we've spoken about it a number of times on
[43:56.800 -> 44:01.040] here before. And look, quite evidently, they have two very
[44:01.040 -> 44:05.240] different driving styles. It's been quite well documented
[44:05.240 -> 44:06.520] and it's been quite well documented
[44:06.520 -> 44:09.680] how Max likes his car more pointy.
[44:09.680 -> 44:12.280] Sergio is more understeery, he likes to deal with that.
[44:12.280 -> 44:13.720] Max hates that.
[44:13.720 -> 44:15.400] Look, Max is the quicker driver.
[44:15.400 -> 44:19.000] If he can unlock that potential from his driving style,
[44:19.000 -> 44:21.840] it makes sense for a team to focus
[44:21.840 -> 44:27.120] and direct their development to one particular driver. Perez, unfortunately,
[44:27.120 -> 44:33.520] he is a good driver, but he's not as good as Max. And that's the difference. He's just lacking in
[44:33.520 -> 44:38.160] confidence and then driving a car that he just can't deal with. But to touch on Red Bull,
[44:38.800 -> 44:50.000] it's interesting. I feel like they're dangling a little carrot in front of the rest of the grid at the moment. Because they've quite clearly stopped bringing upgrades to this car.
[44:50.060 -> 44:52.000] They are focusing on next year,
[44:52.060 -> 44:57.500] and it's like, let's spend the rest of the season testing our chops.
[44:57.560 -> 44:59.500] Let's give them a little bit of hope.
[44:59.560 -> 45:02.700] And while they bring their brand-new fancy upgrades,
[45:02.760 -> 45:07.940] and let's test our pits and keep us on edge
[45:08.140 -> 45:10.780] and keep us like performing at a high level
[45:10.780 -> 45:12.700] and test our chops so that we're ready
[45:12.700 -> 45:14.260] to roll again next year.
[45:14.260 -> 45:16.200] Okay, so looking at the panel,
[45:16.200 -> 45:18.620] Antonio is desperate to get in with more Perez slander.
[45:18.620 -> 45:20.860] So Matt, what have you got?
[45:20.860 -> 45:24.380] Well, I'm surprised at this actually.
[45:24.380 -> 45:29.200] There is little defense for Perez in his recent races.
[45:29.200 -> 45:31.320] He has been- Oh god, that's not better.
[45:31.320 -> 45:32.840] I'm gonna use the word abysmal.
[45:32.840 -> 45:33.840] Oh, J-Mac!
[45:33.840 -> 45:34.840] And that's polite.
[45:34.840 -> 45:35.840] I'm being polite here.
[45:35.840 -> 45:36.840] No, I'm- Okay, but we've covered that.
[45:36.840 -> 45:38.480] You know I'm being polite.
[45:38.480 -> 45:39.480] We've covered it.
[45:39.480 -> 45:40.480] It's covered.
[45:40.480 -> 45:47.160] But, despite his abysmal performance recently, I'm gonna say P5, he had Russell ahead of him,
[45:47.160 -> 45:53.200] he had LeClerc ahead of him. He finishes ahead of them both. I think P5 is where Red Bull need
[45:53.200 -> 46:00.600] him to finish for a Constructors Championship point of view, relative to Max winning. And look,
[46:00.600 -> 46:05.560] if you look at how he drove in Qatar, and you look at how he drove now, don't get
[46:05.560 -> 46:08.360] me wrong, I think he's capable of better.
[46:08.360 -> 46:10.360] All right, all right.
[46:10.360 -> 46:15.680] But he has got the thing back on track.
[46:15.680 -> 46:18.800] He passed championship rivals.
[46:18.800 -> 46:20.000] He got important points.
[46:20.000 -> 46:21.720] Well, they're not important points for the team.
[46:21.720 -> 46:22.960] Teams already won the Constructors' Championship.
[46:22.960 -> 46:24.320] Who am I kidding?
[46:24.320 -> 46:32.000] But for himself, he limited damage that needed to be limited, and he made positive forward
[46:32.000 -> 46:37.960] progress and most importantly, he got no penalties for nothing.
[46:37.960 -> 46:45.840] He didn't hit anybody, he didn't drive off the track 72 times and like you're gonna laugh at me and try
[46:45.840 -> 46:53.280] and minimize this but when you're in the mental place that he was in and I say this as a performer
[46:53.280 -> 46:58.320] and I say this is a former competitive athlete when you're in the mental place that he is
[46:58.320 -> 47:04.600] in and you come around to this you got to look at that as a big step forward.
[47:04.600 -> 47:07.360] Amazing right very quickly on this, Antonia, then Scott, very quickly.
[47:07.840 -> 47:11.600] Oh, baby parrots, you've done so good. You didn't crash today.
[47:11.600 -> 47:16.080] Yeah, yeah, I knew that was coming. I knew that was coming. Scott, Scott, no, move on.
[47:17.200 -> 47:23.200] He's trying so hard and he's in such a difficult mental space. Is he? Is he? Or is he one of the
[47:23.200 -> 47:28.800] most competitive racing drivers on the planet and should be doing better in the most dominant car of all time?
[47:28.800 -> 47:35.040] I won't have it. He is in one of the most fantastic F1 cars ever engineered by the
[47:35.040 -> 47:41.120] biggest engineering genius to ever live, Adrian Newey, and he's putting it in P5 and we're
[47:41.120 -> 47:45.840] passing him on the back. I could do better. It's shocking.
[47:45.840 -> 47:49.600] Antony, the last time I saw you in a motorsport vehicle, you fell out of it and lay on the
[47:49.600 -> 47:54.280] ground unconscious for several minutes. And I was still faster.
[47:54.280 -> 47:58.520] I will just say Danny Rigg earned himself a bonus point today by holding up Lewis and
[47:58.520 -> 48:05.060] Landon. So Perez may be out by the end of the season if Danny keeps doing what he's been wanting
[48:05.060 -> 48:06.060] to.
[48:06.060 -> 48:07.060] Alright, let's move on.
[48:07.060 -> 48:14.740] Alright, I'm not going to lie, that was emotional.
[48:14.740 -> 48:19.020] I think I've put up with a lot there and I would like to thank my panel for never holding
[48:19.020 -> 48:20.020] back.
[48:20.020 -> 48:29.360] But I would like to be a bit more positive because I think I have been too quick. I don't know why I want to dismiss
[48:29.920 -> 48:38.800] Lando Norris. I don't know what it is. I let my fan feelings come to the forefront and I am very
[48:38.800 -> 48:45.520] clear that what I want to happen might influence my analysis of what I think happened. So I keep looking for
[48:46.080 -> 48:51.840] chinks in the armour of Lando Norris. So I don't know why he's funny, he's personable,
[48:51.840 -> 48:57.120] but there's something about Lando Norris that makes me not a fan of him. So I'll be open with
[48:57.120 -> 49:05.400] that. I'm not a fan of Lando Norris. So when Piastri was getting his good results and getting his sprint race win and doing
[49:05.400 -> 49:11.560] well in qualifying, I was very keen to go, hey, this is Piastri doing well. But also,
[49:11.560 -> 49:17.040] hey, look, it's kind of showing up the driver that I'm not a fan of. The key thing that
[49:17.040 -> 49:23.360] has made Piastri look good is a, a, that he is good. He's undeniably good. That's fine.
[49:23.360 -> 49:26.240] But performance on tyre wear and challenges
[49:26.240 -> 49:30.760] when you have to maintain that tyre wear over a Grand Prix distance is the main differentiator
[49:30.760 -> 49:36.720] right now between Piastri and Lando Norris. I don't think that that is controversial.
[49:36.720 -> 49:43.760] This kind of Grand Prix, this kind of tyre strategy, this kind of race is at the heart
[49:43.760 -> 49:45.720] of what the turbo hybrid era, the Pirelli
[49:45.720 -> 49:51.720] era has been about. And in this era of Formula 1, Lando Norris is showing that he has all
[49:51.720 -> 49:58.160] the skills to be a potential future great and a potential future baddie for me, because
[49:58.160 -> 50:01.960] I don't mind if the people I don't like are good. They can be the Death Star, they can
[50:01.960 -> 50:05.080] be the bad guy, that's fine. but Lando Norris is showing that if
[50:05.240 -> 50:10.400] Mercedes, if McLaren are in the the battle for the driver's title at any point in the next couple of years
[50:10.960 -> 50:17.320] He can be there to lead McLaren and I think he's showed that today. So who are the who are the big
[50:18.120 -> 50:20.120] Norris fans or
[50:20.400 -> 50:23.240] Stans in in the crowd. So okay, so we've got
[50:23.960 -> 50:26.320] Rankin, Antonio Rankin,
[50:26.320 -> 50:28.240] Antonio J Rankin on Twitter.
[50:28.240 -> 50:30.840] We should do the promos in mid show.
[50:30.840 -> 50:33.040] Mix the broccoli in with the stew.
[50:33.040 -> 50:35.680] On TikTok, you're Antonio F1?
[50:35.680 -> 50:37.480] Nope, F1 Antonio.
[50:37.480 -> 50:38.320] Every time.
[50:38.320 -> 50:40.040] Sorry, F1 Antonio.
[50:40.040 -> 50:42.160] If you search Antonio Rankin F1,
[50:42.160 -> 50:44.800] you will find Antonio on Instagram, on TikTok,
[50:44.800 -> 50:45.280] and on Twitter,
[50:45.280 -> 50:49.840] and we'll put all those links in the show notes below. Those people who have been following
[50:49.840 -> 50:54.640] Lando Norris passionately and believing in him, I think they're getting rewarded right now.
[50:55.280 -> 51:00.320] Yeah, Lando's a driver that I've been very excited about seeing his development,
[51:00.320 -> 51:05.000] especially over the last few seasons. I think he has huge potential. He's
[51:05.000 -> 51:11.480] a great driver. He really is. He's got such good race craft. He's always, almost always,
[51:11.480 -> 51:17.520] I think, engaged in very clean, good battles. You know, he doesn't have the shoe mechanisms
[51:17.520 -> 51:22.860] that perhaps we saw in an early Max, but I think he's really, really got world champion
[51:22.860 -> 51:27.360] in him. So I think he's great, to be honest,
[51:27.360 -> 51:31.160] Lando. And yes, he's personable. He's great for the sport. He's a fantastic figure to
[51:31.160 -> 51:38.480] have. But yeah, no, big fan of Lando. Really excited to see if McLaren do come back up,
[51:38.480 -> 51:43.240] which I hope they do, given their heritage in F1. I think he'll be winning races left,
[51:43.240 -> 51:51.200] right and centre. And Stuffy, Norris today, obviously the qualifying performance was good, but he also picked his
[51:51.200 -> 51:55.560] battles and defended well. So annoyingly, as a Hamilton fan, he was like, no, I'm not
[51:55.560 -> 51:59.560] in a race with... I think they identified fairly early on, they went, no, we're not
[51:59.560 -> 52:06.100] going to hold Max, but we might just hold Hamilton. but when you see his defensive style, his wheel to
[52:06.100 -> 52:11.180] wheel style, I think a lot of that is down to sim racing, you and I are big into the
[52:11.180 -> 52:17.640] sim racing community, it gives you a lot of options to try racing manoeuvres and Lando
[52:17.640 -> 52:21.380] Norris doesn't mind racing the likes of you and me on iRacing and jumping on and going
[52:21.380 -> 52:25.020] alright I'll see what Scott does. I'll see what happens when Scott
[52:25.020 -> 52:27.180] sends it up the inside at Kota.
[52:27.180 -> 52:30.280] I can say that I've shared a track with Lando
[52:30.280 -> 52:33.580] in the virtual world, but I haven't raced him, no,
[52:33.580 -> 52:37.220] because he's just way, way too quick for my standards.
[52:37.220 -> 52:38.940] So, yeah, I've got similar.
[52:38.940 -> 52:40.880] So I think I've been on track in iRacing
[52:40.880 -> 52:44.760] with Fernando Alonso, a bunch of GT drivers,
[52:44.760 -> 52:47.000] Romain Grosjean, and my big thing
[52:47.000 -> 52:51.520] was that Romain Grosjean nearly lapped me, but I managed to hold him off. So by the end
[52:51.520 -> 52:56.160] of the race at Interlagos, it was like, that's actual Romain Grosjean behind me on a sim.
[52:56.160 -> 53:02.040] But yeah, but these drivers that go on there, that go on the sim, genuinely see it as a
[53:02.040 -> 53:05.920] way to develop their racecraft. And I'm not sure you'd have seen many people
[53:05.920 -> 53:08.240] on the F1 grid now defending into turn one
[53:08.240 -> 53:10.220] quite in the way that Norris did.
[53:11.240 -> 53:15.720] Yeah, I mean, he's aggressive, he wants that first win.
[53:15.720 -> 53:17.400] But obviously, Piastri's beat him to it.
[53:17.400 -> 53:21.240] Another sim racer who I've crashed into, actually,
[53:21.240 -> 53:24.200] on sim racing, so that's my claim to fame.
[53:24.200 -> 53:25.640] When he, I can say I've
[53:25.640 -> 53:31.160] crashed into an F1 race winner. Yeah, he's, he's got the raw pace. He's quite evidently
[53:31.160 -> 53:35.920] showing his experience that he's gained over the years compared to Piastri, obviously with
[53:35.920 -> 53:41.520] his tyre management, specifically in Suzuka. Today as well, I'm sure we'll touch on it
[53:41.520 -> 53:46.080] in a second. Piastri was very unfortunate with his contact with Ocon.
[53:46.080 -> 53:49.280] Not really too much that either of them could do.
[53:49.840 -> 53:53.920] It was just so light, but unfortunately it gave him an
[53:53.920 -> 53:57.440] issue, an engine issue, which he had to retire early, which
[53:57.680 -> 54:00.880] after a poor qualifying for Piastri, he made a hell of a
[54:00.880 -> 54:02.560] start showing his talent as well.
[54:02.560 -> 54:04.920] But yeah, Norris was doing really well.
[54:02.540 -> 54:04.920] He made a hell of a start showing his talent as well. But yeah, Norris was doing really well.
[54:04.980 -> 54:12.260] And I, I, I don't know if, if McLaren maybe gave up on that win too early.
[54:12.520 -> 54:19.520] Um, they pitted, they pitted Lando first expecting to undercut Max, who seemed
[54:19.520 -> 54:27.020] like he wasn't dropping in pace, um, on the medium tire, And I just didn't see him going on to another
[54:27.020 -> 54:31.660] set of mediums, sorry, another set of hards that he had available, making up that much
[54:31.660 -> 54:37.760] time with the undercut, even though the undercut was strong on Max, who still had pretty relatively
[54:37.760 -> 54:43.060] good pace on the mediums. So I feel like McLaren kind of accepted their fate a little bit too
[54:43.060 -> 54:48.040] early considering how much Lando truly wants that win. Like I imagine
[54:48.040 -> 54:51.700] he might be he would be disappointed if that's genuinely
[54:51.700 -> 54:56.500] the case as well. Because I was a bit baffled by that, to be
[54:56.500 -> 54:59.020] honest with you, because he he came out behind Max as well. And
[54:59.020 -> 55:00.820] as soon as he came out behind Max, he was never going to catch
[55:00.820 -> 55:03.700] him. And it was all about defending from Lewis. But yeah,
[55:03.700 -> 55:07.000] no, he's, he's I'm sure that first win is going to come.
[55:07.000 -> 55:11.000] He was quoted in an interview afterwards saying he still doesn't expect it by the end of the year,
[55:11.000 -> 55:12.000] even though they're doing really well.
[55:12.000 -> 55:15.000] But I suppose that's playing down your chances.
[55:15.000 -> 55:17.000] And if something happens, happy days.
[55:17.000 -> 55:20.000] The secret to happiness, Matt, is low expectations.
[55:20.000 -> 55:24.000] And I say that as a married father of two.
[55:24.000 -> 55:30.880] Yeah, I think the problem here, I think everybody got to turn one and was like, it's McLaren's
[55:30.880 -> 55:34.000] day, they are going to win this.
[55:34.000 -> 55:36.000] And the fight with Max was good.
[55:36.000 -> 55:37.000] Well, not everyone.
[55:37.000 -> 55:38.000] Right, this is it.
[55:38.000 -> 55:41.220] Like, I got a bit of slack.
[55:41.220 -> 55:50.360] In our slack group, in our Patreon slack group, if you want to see that, patreon.com forward slash missdapex if you want to support us, highest Patreon supported podcast in F1
[55:50.360 -> 55:56.240] thanks to you guys. But there's so many McLaren fans in our slack group. The vast majority
[55:56.240 -> 56:02.480] seem to be McLaren fans. And when I suggested after qualifying that they would be ultimately
[56:02.480 -> 56:09.040] doomed on race pace, people got quite upset at me saying, why are you throwing cold water on McLaren's chances?
[56:09.040 -> 56:11.760] It is just because when tire wear is a factor,
[56:11.760 -> 56:12.820] McLaren have struggled.
[56:12.820 -> 56:14.480] I don't think that's slander,
[56:14.480 -> 56:16.760] that's just the way their car is this season.
[56:16.760 -> 56:18.620] And when you've had Qatar that covered that up,
[56:18.620 -> 56:21.480] or races that are solid one stops,
[56:21.480 -> 56:24.280] and they only really stop once because you have to,
[56:24.280 -> 56:25.680] that's been a bit covered up.
[56:25.680 -> 56:30.880] But in this kind of race, it's exposed. Yeah. Well, I mean, dang it. You just took my point there.
[56:30.880 -> 56:34.080] Oh, sorry. Well, I've got to sometimes say the smart thing.
[56:34.080 -> 56:38.880] Which was most literally, if you've looked at the lap times, you could see throughout the course of
[56:38.880 -> 56:47.920] the race, McLaren losing out to Mercedes because as good as they have made that car in the specific
[56:47.920 -> 56:54.400] circumstances of the ride height window they needed to get around the track with the bumps,
[56:54.960 -> 56:59.200] they don't have the management of the tyres that Mercedes has.
[56:59.200 -> 57:05.040] Why? Tell me this, tell me this, is it a case of you get a car that can do one good lap in
[57:05.040 -> 57:10.040] qualifying and then you work on the race pace later or is it something inherent that means
[57:10.040 -> 57:13.600] you have a car that happens to be better at qualifying than race pace?
[57:13.600 -> 57:18.800] Well, all cars have, like, you know, we talk about the tires having windows where they
[57:18.800 -> 57:25.360] perform optimal and cars will have a similar thing, especially in this ground effect era,
[57:25.360 -> 57:32.200] with the ride height settings. There'll be a set of ride heights where that car is optimal.
[57:32.200 -> 57:37.800] And I think if McLaren is in that window, they were like Silverstone for example,
[57:37.800 -> 57:42.600] they are very, very competitive. But as you move them out of that window,
[57:42.600 -> 57:48.000] they begin to suffer from balance issues, from inconsistent downforce
[57:48.440 -> 57:50.600] that takes a bigger toll on the tires.
[57:50.700 -> 57:53.740] The tires heat up, and then it takes laps to cool them down.
[57:53.840 -> 57:56.840] If we think back to the sprint, which I can barely remember
[57:56.940 -> 57:58.820] because it was, like, just ungodly boring,
[57:58.920 -> 58:00.520] but if we think back to the sprint,
[58:00.920 -> 58:02.520] and we look at what happened to Piastri,
[58:02.620 -> 58:05.360] he essentially, my understanding of it
[58:05.360 -> 58:11.520] was, he essentially just lit up his rear tires and by time they cooled back down he had fallen
[58:11.520 -> 58:19.200] almost entirely out of the points. And Sainz with the softs, the same thing. Once those tires
[58:19.200 -> 58:25.280] overheat, you really have to be gentle with them till the temperature goes out of them
[58:25.280 -> 58:30.280] and while you're busy doing that you're losing seconds a lap to all of your rivals and
[58:30.920 -> 58:33.160] McLaren as good as their car is
[58:33.860 -> 58:36.800] Isn't great at these at the higher ride heights
[58:37.200 -> 58:43.720] That are needed at this track and I would say the same is true of Red Bull Red Bull were at a complete disadvantage
[58:46.080 -> 58:51.760] the same is true of Red Bull. Red Bull were at a complete disadvantage. And this goes back to the thing with Mercedes having been stuck with higher ride heights, I'll say that correctly now,
[58:52.320 -> 58:59.840] throughout the season, is optimized for this track. So we see it play out in the margins here,
[58:59.840 -> 59:05.620] but that's why Hamilton caught and passed Norris. And the difference from McLaren to Red Bull
[59:05.620 -> 59:07.920] is why he couldn't quite catch Max,
[59:07.920 -> 59:09.820] along with all the other stuff we already said.
[59:09.820 -> 59:12.360] Yeah, so just to touch on that about tires
[59:12.360 -> 59:13.940] and why they are the way that they are,
[59:13.940 -> 59:16.440] I read a really interesting analogy on-
[59:16.440 -> 59:17.280] Reading.
[59:18.400 -> 59:19.720] All right, well, I'll explain it.
[59:19.720 -> 59:20.560] Thank you.
[59:20.560 -> 59:23.100] So that you guys have to read, you're so welcome.
[59:23.100 -> 59:25.920] Basically, the elastomers in tyres that make
[59:25.920 -> 59:32.960] them stretchy and responsive are in formations like meatballs basically. And as they heat up
[59:32.960 -> 59:38.880] and they have loads put on them, these meatballs stretch out into spaghetti. But if the tyre gets
[59:38.880 -> 59:44.320] too hot, there's shape. Like imagine the little particles.
[59:44.320 -> 59:47.040] Oh, this is going the way of Matt's pub analogy but I'll allow it.
[59:47.600 -> 59:54.400] Okay, meatball particles. Optimum temperature, good temperature, stretch into spaghetti,
[59:54.400 -> 01:00:02.240] go back into meatball. Too hot, stretch into spaghetti, stay in spaghetti, tyre not responsive,
[01:00:02.240 -> 01:00:08.920] this bad. Tyre optimum temperature, come back into meatball. Brilliant.
[01:00:08.920 -> 01:00:13.580] And the reason this is an issue in Kota is because this happens to the rear tires and
[01:00:13.580 -> 01:00:15.840] not the front tires.
[01:00:15.840 -> 01:00:23.000] I'm hungry is all I know. I have completely lost my train of thought. I hope that made
[01:00:23.000 -> 01:00:25.840] sense to everyone watching and listening.
[01:00:25.840 -> 01:00:31.680] So I have got a plan to delay talking about Ferrari because that's what's coming up next.
[01:00:31.680 -> 01:00:39.000] I think quite a good topic is, and I'm wary of the time and I'm wary of Scott and Antonio falling asleep.
[01:00:39.000 -> 01:00:42.520] I will fall asleep, but I'm not allowed to go upstairs today.
[01:00:42.520 -> 01:00:45.920] I just, Nick just dumped a pillow and a duvet
[01:00:45.920 -> 01:00:51.760] and I'm actually sleeping in the studio tonight. He's like, do not come in here at 2am and wake me
[01:00:51.760 -> 01:01:06.000] up. So that's what I'm dealing with but I have got two topics which is the sprint weekend, did it add the overall event and turn one and then we can focus on the misery of Ferrari.
[01:01:11.120 -> 01:01:18.960] Okay, turn one, Scott. Scott, stuffy toughy, I will say that you have got my, you have got,
[01:01:18.960 -> 01:01:25.680] you're the owner of my favorite sim racing stream, simply because I just I don't know how you keep
[01:01:25.680 -> 01:01:30.720] your calm and the fact is like someone will like wipe you out and you'll go
[01:01:30.720 -> 01:01:35.760] oh no no a bad thing happened that was bad oh well let's go to the next race
[01:01:35.760 -> 01:01:39.920] now and then now and then when you do lose it or because your cat has turned
[01:01:39.920 -> 01:01:46.960] off your PC or you're finally like fed up. Like I see that inner anger seething through like a volcano
[01:01:46.960 -> 01:01:49.300] yet somehow you stay calm.
[01:01:49.300 -> 01:01:52.760] And that's the reason you're a good sim racing streamer
[01:01:52.760 -> 01:01:54.700] and I could never do it.
[01:01:55.600 -> 01:01:56.600] Yeah, I do try.
[01:01:56.600 -> 01:01:59.260] I was doing a league race the other day
[01:01:59.260 -> 01:02:02.200] and my will failed on me.
[01:02:02.200 -> 01:02:03.160] Turn mechanical.
[01:02:03.160 -> 01:02:08.720] Yeah, mechanical failure. And yeah, I get frustrated at myself more than anyone else
[01:02:09.280 -> 01:02:14.560] through years of playing golf and breaking many golf clubs. So yeah I try and hold back my anger
[01:02:14.560 -> 01:02:19.760] as much as I can. So I'm a frustrated golfer as well. The similarity between golf and sim racing
[01:02:19.760 -> 01:02:26.880] is you get so angry and you have to remind yourself, I spent all my time doing this and spent so much
[01:02:26.880 -> 01:02:34.800] money and I'm only this good? What a miserable human I am that I've spent all this time and
[01:02:34.800 -> 01:02:39.360] money and I'm no better than this. But go and check out Scott's streams, we'll have links
[01:02:39.360 -> 01:02:45.520] in the show notes below and you should also follow him for his hot takes on social media as well. Turn one, I'm going
[01:02:45.520 -> 01:02:52.400] to you for this as our racer on the panel, but turn one is one of the most interesting turns.
[01:02:52.400 -> 01:02:57.360] We had the incident with Verstappen and Leclerc that you referred to earlier, we had Lewis Hamilton
[01:02:57.360 -> 01:03:03.280] on the outside on the sprint race, why wasn't he penalized for going off track and keeping that
[01:03:03.280 -> 01:03:06.720] position? We had Verstappen and Russell both maintaining
[01:03:06.720 -> 01:03:11.840] their positions off track today as well. So a. why did that happen? Why were they not
[01:03:11.840 -> 01:03:16.400] punished? And b. the most fascinating thing about that corner is you essentially have
[01:03:16.400 -> 01:03:21.200] cars converging at right angles. You have one car sweeping around the outside and another
[01:03:21.200 -> 01:03:27.360] car just beelining it to the apex and narrow. I don't think there's a better
[01:03:27.360 -> 01:03:33.280] turn one for racing in Formula One. Yeah, turn one's great. It's such a unique corner that
[01:03:33.280 -> 01:03:37.520] there's... I don't think there's anything quite like it that I can think of. Any of the tracks
[01:03:37.520 -> 01:03:47.160] that I've raced online or that I can think of that F1 goes to. It's almost like it's, if you look at it from kind of a bird's eye view,
[01:03:47.160 -> 01:03:49.640] it's almost like a tick, like a small tick,
[01:03:49.640 -> 01:03:53.200] the way that it, the hairpin works in an essence.
[01:03:53.200 -> 01:03:55.400] So there's so many different lines of attack.
[01:03:55.400 -> 01:03:57.300] You can go really wide and try to cut back.
[01:03:57.300 -> 01:04:00.460] I mean, one of the most satisfying moves to pull off
[01:04:00.460 -> 01:04:04.640] as a sim racer or to even watch on TV is the cutback.
[01:04:04.640 -> 01:04:08.840] When someone just allows that guy to outbreak themselves
[01:04:08.840 -> 01:04:11.800] and then you just go straight back on the inside
[01:04:11.800 -> 01:04:15.120] with the grip and just go, thank you, see you later.
[01:04:15.120 -> 01:04:17.960] And it always provides a bit of drama
[01:04:17.960 -> 01:04:20.660] at the first lap as well.
[01:04:20.660 -> 01:04:21.500] We didn't see that today,
[01:04:21.500 -> 01:04:22.960] but we've seen that over the years
[01:04:22.960 -> 01:04:28.400] where people have taken the tighter line. And then of course, because people are coming in from a wider line, they
[01:04:28.400 -> 01:04:34.960] then get catch a wheel on the front wing and there's incidents. But yeah, it's such a great
[01:04:34.960 -> 01:04:40.560] corner for racing. Okay, but what Italian dish would you most compare that to? More like a
[01:04:40.560 -> 01:04:47.120] tagliatelle, a panini, carbonara? A lasagna. It's got so many layers to it. Yeah, it's like a tagliatelle, a panini, a carbonara. A lasagna, so many layers to it.
[01:04:47.120 -> 01:04:52.640] Yeah, it's like a lasagna, Antonio, turn one. I have to say, I would compare it to La Source
[01:04:52.640 -> 01:04:58.160] at Spa-Francorchamps. Similar kind of thing where you're cutting back on yourself a fair amount.
[01:04:58.160 -> 01:05:06.240] Obviously it's different because at Cota there's the chicane, whereas at Spa you've got to get a good send out of La Source in order
[01:05:06.240 -> 01:05:11.600] to get up Eau Rouge Radeon. But no, it's a great circuit and like you said, one of the better
[01:05:11.600 -> 01:05:18.800] modern circuits, especially that feels like it has some character and feeling of racing about it that
[01:05:18.800 -> 01:05:26.160] a lot of the more recent tracks don't seem to have. But no, I always enjoy the race at KOTU. I think it's
[01:05:26.160 -> 01:05:30.120] a really nice one to have on the calendar and it brings some really unique challenges
[01:05:30.120 -> 01:05:35.920] for the cars, for the drivers, but it is gorgeously wide, I will say, turn one. It allows for
[01:05:35.920 -> 01:05:40.280] so much space and you see drivers, I think the television angles are a bit deceiving,
[01:05:40.280 -> 01:05:45.120] but you see drivers look like they're going really quite deep into turn one only to cut
[01:05:45.120 -> 01:05:50.960] back in, do a late apex on it or an early apex, sorry, on the turn and getting a really
[01:05:50.960 -> 01:05:54.920] good send. And I think there's a lot of really good ways you can take that as a driver to
[01:05:54.920 -> 01:05:59.600] still get a good exit, which keeps things exciting. But yeah, no, I'm a fan.
[01:05:59.600 -> 01:06:03.340] And there's a few corners like that as well, Stuffy, isn't there? So like there's a few
[01:06:03.340 -> 01:06:05.440] places where you can give a little bit and then, you know, Stuffy, isn't there? So like there's a few places where you can
[01:06:05.440 -> 01:06:10.120] give a little bit and then, you know, if only they didn't have this rule where you can now
[01:06:10.120 -> 01:06:16.660] shove people off track. If you had to give any car that was alongside you racing room,
[01:06:16.660 -> 01:06:21.160] we could have seen fights go on for multiple corners, like we had Tsunoda and one of the
[01:06:21.160 -> 01:06:26.400] Haases in the sprint race. They were side by side for half a lap because neither of them, for whatever reason,
[01:06:26.400 -> 01:06:29.160] they chose not to shove each other off track.
[01:06:29.160 -> 01:06:31.520] The second you can shove someone off track,
[01:06:31.520 -> 01:06:33.320] that's the end of the battle.
[01:06:33.320 -> 01:06:35.800] Well, yes, there's certain drivers
[01:06:35.800 -> 01:06:40.440] who we know on that grid who respect Racing Room
[01:06:40.440 -> 01:06:41.400] and those who don't.
[01:06:41.400 -> 01:06:43.120] And the ones that do respect Racing Room,
[01:06:43.120 -> 01:06:49.000] we see what us, we racing fans want want to see which is battles lasting for multiple corners
[01:06:49.000 -> 01:06:52.840] that's Sonoda one I recommend anyone who hasn't seen it yet from the spring yeah
[01:06:52.840 -> 01:06:57.760] it wasn't shown on TV if you go on Twitter searching Sonoda Magnuson is it
[01:06:57.760 -> 01:07:03.580] I went for half a lap it was brilliant pure racing that's what we want to see
[01:07:03.580 -> 01:07:06.840] and this circuit provides that
[01:07:06.840 -> 01:07:11.940] and I think as Antonio alluded to the wideness of the track and the nature of it where it
[01:07:11.940 -> 01:07:17.000] has different corners, it has high speed fast corners, which put more load on the front
[01:07:17.000 -> 01:07:22.160] tyres, then it also has the slower sections as well, which has puts more load on the rear
[01:07:22.160 -> 01:07:25.200] tyres. So there's a balancing act that has to be played here.
[01:07:28.540 -> 01:07:28.880] And I think it's no surprise that we see the circuits like Silverstone,
[01:07:33.280 -> 01:07:37.280] light circuit, the Americas, which have those different style of corners, a mixture of those corners, but are also high speed that we see.
[01:07:37.760 -> 01:07:42.640] Some of the best races because strategy comes in the wideness of the circuit
[01:07:42.640 -> 01:07:45.880] allows these big wide cars to go side by side
[01:07:45.880 -> 01:07:51.400] compared to some of the smaller circuits we go to and yeah it's just it's a great
[01:07:51.400 -> 01:07:56.400] circuit all round more more of this please. All right!
[01:07:59.440 -> 01:08:04.800] Even though it's 1 a.m. here in the UK I have several things I want to yell about
[01:08:04.800 -> 01:08:05.280] so we do have to get to Ferrari unfortunately so it will be the awards Even though it's 1am here in the UK, I have several things I want to yell about. So,
[01:08:06.080 -> 01:08:10.800] ah, we do have to get to Ferrari, unfortunately. So it will be the awards, as usual, that we'll end
[01:08:10.800 -> 01:08:17.120] on, and then before that we'll have Ferrari. But I do want to talk about the sprint weekend. So,
[01:08:17.680 -> 01:08:23.280] this does feel like the Emperor finally standing there butt-naked and everyone going, hey,
[01:08:24.240 -> 01:08:26.000] I can see his Ghibli bits.
[01:08:26.000 -> 01:08:30.000] So, and I think that was because Max Verstappen, in an interview, said,
[01:08:30.000 -> 01:08:34.000] Look, this ruins the surprise of Sunday.
[01:08:34.000 -> 01:08:37.000] This basically gives you a preview of the show.
[01:08:37.000 -> 01:08:40.000] Basically, Verstappen pointed out, you know, a lot of the stuff, Matt,
[01:08:40.000 -> 01:08:43.000] you and I were complaining about when the Sprint Weekend first started,
[01:08:43.000 -> 01:08:45.120] which is, it's an undercooked
[01:08:45.120 -> 01:08:52.240] version of a grand prix. You can't just have a mini version of a grand prix and stop it a third
[01:08:52.240 -> 01:08:57.200] of the way through. You have to do something distinctly different and it's not. The sprint
[01:08:57.200 -> 01:09:02.160] weekend was saved in guitar because half the grid was on a different tyre strategy or was at the
[01:09:02.160 -> 01:09:07.740] sprint race before it I've lost track. So unless you have something bizarre happen, the sprint weekend, the sprint
[01:09:07.740 -> 01:09:10.880] races are always dull. We have one or two laps of action and then it
[01:09:10.880 -> 01:09:15.180] settles down into nothingness or you have a safety car early on which chews
[01:09:15.180 -> 01:09:19.240] up five laps and then there's no opportunity for anything to happen. And
[01:09:19.240 -> 01:09:26.880] in the spirit of Antonia and her analogy I would compare this to a third cooked rice.
[01:09:26.880 -> 01:09:32.720] So F1 is asking us on a sprint weekend to have three minute boiled rice.
[01:09:32.720 -> 01:09:39.760] Who would cook rice three times? That is just monstrous. Go. Get into the seat immediately.
[01:09:39.760 -> 01:09:50.080] Now, I think the issue with sprint races, as much as you might personally dislike them, or I might personally dislike them, I think it was fair to explore the potential of them.
[01:09:50.080 -> 01:09:50.960] Okay, agree.
[01:09:51.760 -> 01:09:58.560] I think there may be a way ultimately to incorporate something like that into a Formula
[01:09:58.560 -> 01:10:04.320] One weekend that would be interesting for people, either with historic drivers or junior drivers,
[01:10:04.320 -> 01:10:05.500] I don't know, It's not a problem.
[01:10:05.500 -> 01:10:08.700] I want to solve right now, but I'm going to argue with you.
[01:10:09.000 -> 01:10:12.900] The real problem with sprint races is they don't sell more tickets for the circuits.
[01:10:13.400 -> 01:10:19.400] And I think that was one of the big reasons they were being explored in the first place
[01:10:19.400 -> 01:10:20.400] is the idea.
[01:10:20.400 -> 01:10:26.560] If we had racing every single day on a Friday, on a Saturday, on a Sunday, we'd
[01:10:26.560 -> 01:10:31.700] see more people at the circuit and we'd get more engagement at the circuit, which after
[01:10:31.700 -> 01:10:37.760] all is paying what I would like to call a not insignificant fee for formula one to come
[01:10:37.760 -> 01:10:39.140] race there.
[01:10:39.140 -> 01:10:44.640] But from what we heard over the weekend from the chairman of the circuit of the Americas,
[01:10:44.640 -> 01:10:45.280] that's not the case.
[01:10:45.280 -> 01:10:52.160] Sprint races are doing absolutely bupkis for ticket sales. And that might be something that
[01:10:52.160 -> 01:10:58.000] causes Formula One to seriously reconsider having them because they're more expensive for the teams.
[01:10:58.000 -> 01:11:06.720] I think generally the drivers don't enjoy them as much. And the theoretical concept here, that light cars on different tires would
[01:11:06.720 -> 01:11:12.980] lead to interesting racing, isn't really working out often enough to make it worth the effort.
[01:11:12.980 -> 01:11:14.720] I actually completely agree.
[01:11:14.720 -> 01:11:15.720] Boring.
[01:11:15.720 -> 01:11:16.720] No!
[01:11:16.720 -> 01:11:18.200] That's not what we do here!
[01:11:18.200 -> 01:11:22.680] Alright, alright boys, I know it's late, let's calm down.
[01:11:22.680 -> 01:11:26.400] I think, I agree with what Verstappen said, I think it gives
[01:11:26.400 -> 01:11:30.000] us an unnecessary preview into what's going to happen and it takes the dull off of the race a
[01:11:30.000 -> 01:11:36.160] little bit but also they're too short but then sometimes they're too long. I just, they're a
[01:11:36.160 -> 01:11:41.840] really awkward length. Have two races, just two full-length races. Well because we're watching
[01:11:41.840 -> 01:11:48.040] it and we're thinking oh if there were only a couple of more laps, because his tyres are about to go and this strategy, there's no strategy
[01:11:48.040 -> 01:11:53.480] to them really, which is what grinds my gears. Because I love to see how the different strategies
[01:11:53.480 -> 01:11:57.160] can play in the race. And for example, today, that was one of the main things that kept
[01:11:57.160 -> 01:12:01.840] the race exciting was the fact that all these drivers were on different overcut, undercut
[01:12:01.840 -> 01:12:05.640] strategies. But the sprint race is too short for any meaningful strategy
[01:12:05.640 -> 01:12:11.140] or pit stops, et cetera. There's going to be safety cars, lap one, that cause the rest
[01:12:11.140 -> 01:12:15.360] of it just to be completely boring and stagnant. They just don't do it for me. I just thought
[01:12:15.360 -> 01:12:20.300] there'd be so much more to them. And I think little things could make them more interesting.
[01:12:20.300 -> 01:12:26.000] For example, all of the cars have to start on the same tires, or you make it long enough to warrant a second pit stop.
[01:12:26.000 -> 01:12:28.600] There just has to be something,
[01:12:28.600 -> 01:12:31.800] because they don't contribute anything more to a weekend.
[01:12:31.800 -> 01:12:33.800] They don't add an extra layer of excitement.
[01:12:35.000 -> 01:12:36.400] I disagree with all of you.
[01:12:36.400 -> 01:12:37.300] I love them.
[01:12:37.300 -> 01:12:41.000] Who has time to sit down and watch a two-hour race on Sunday?
[01:12:42.200 -> 01:12:46.000] Yeah, no, I've been on here plenty of times and said I'm not particularly
[01:12:46.000 -> 01:12:51.200] a fan. And what I've noticed recently, I've had a couple of people approach me and say
[01:12:52.080 -> 01:12:58.800] they're confused. They're confused by the qualifying on the Friday. And then people
[01:12:58.800 -> 01:13:04.000] saying, oh, why is Max not on pole on Sunday? Well, it's because two days ago, we had a completely
[01:13:04.000 -> 01:13:05.760] separate qualifying for the race today.
[01:13:05.760 -> 01:13:09.360] It's just, as you guys said, I think we appreciate that
[01:13:09.360 -> 01:13:13.860] they've tried something to make it more exciting and to try to
[01:13:13.860 -> 01:13:17.600] maximize what is, in essence, their business and every
[01:13:17.640 -> 01:13:21.620] property of it. But I just don't think that it's particularly
[01:13:21.620 -> 01:13:25.160] worked. I don't so much, so I love F1.
[01:13:25.160 -> 01:13:26.680] I absolutely love F1.
[01:13:26.680 -> 01:13:29.680] And I think this weekend, because it was in an evening,
[01:13:29.680 -> 01:13:31.920] was the first time I've actually bothered to sit down
[01:13:31.920 -> 01:13:34.560] and actually watch a qualifying for it,
[01:13:34.560 -> 01:13:36.720] or shootout as it's now referred to,
[01:13:38.360 -> 01:13:39.400] and the race itself.
[01:13:39.400 -> 01:13:42.780] And while it was quite enjoyable,
[01:13:43.940 -> 01:13:46.280] it was just, I feel like I'm getting old.
[01:13:46.280 -> 01:13:48.200] When I was younger, I was very much like,
[01:13:48.200 -> 01:13:51.680] why are these drivers not allowed to go 100%?
[01:13:51.680 -> 01:13:52.800] Scott, how old are you?
[01:13:52.800 -> 01:13:54.880] I'm 32, I know, I'm younger than you.
[01:13:54.880 -> 01:13:57.760] No, no, no, that's still a pretty gross old age,
[01:13:57.760 -> 01:14:00.000] don't worry about it, that's pretty grim.
[01:14:00.000 -> 01:14:02.200] What I'm saying is, when I was younger,
[01:14:02.200 -> 01:14:04.540] I was very much like, why are these drivers
[01:14:04.540 -> 01:14:07.120] not able to go 100% all the time?
[01:14:07.120 -> 01:14:08.600] Why does it have to be strategy?
[01:14:08.600 -> 01:14:09.840] Why I didn't get it.
[01:14:09.840 -> 01:14:12.480] But as I've got older and learned more about the sport,
[01:14:12.480 -> 01:14:13.480] I appreciate it more.
[01:14:13.480 -> 01:14:14.940] And I actually realized, yes,
[01:14:14.940 -> 01:14:18.240] that strategies is part of motor racing
[01:14:18.240 -> 01:14:21.860] and it is what makes races interesting.
[01:14:21.860 -> 01:14:25.840] And the obviously Qatar was a bit of a failure. It was a bit
[01:14:25.840 -> 01:14:30.620] boring personally, from my perspective, because they did 52 qualifying laps pretty much full
[01:14:30.620 -> 01:14:35.660] out and it just didn't work. And the sprint race is kind of similar. It fizzles out very
[01:14:35.660 -> 01:14:40.160] quickly and then we're sitting there waiting for the race to finish so that we can concentrate
[01:14:40.160 -> 01:14:42.320] on the next day, which is where it really matters.
[01:14:42.320 -> 01:14:43.320] Antonia.
[01:14:43.320 -> 01:14:45.000] Yeah. And I think you touched on this, Banners.
[01:14:45.000 -> 01:14:48.000] Like, as F1 fans, you know, stuff you're saying,
[01:14:48.000 -> 01:14:50.000] we're all huge F1 fans, right?
[01:14:50.000 -> 01:14:53.000] Surely for a sprint weekend, we would be more excited for it
[01:14:53.000 -> 01:14:57.000] because there's more racing, there's more F1, but we're not.
[01:14:57.000 -> 01:14:58.000] We're not sitting here thinking,
[01:14:58.000 -> 01:15:00.000] oh, this is going to be a great weekend
[01:15:00.000 -> 01:15:02.000] because look how much F1 we get.
[01:15:02.000 -> 01:15:13.920] It just doesn't carry the same sparkle. Sparkle. Does it bring joy? That's the key question. And I feel like it's just, it's
[01:15:13.920 -> 01:15:22.080] too much and every single element is diluted. So even if overall it's 10% better, each individual
[01:15:22.080 -> 01:15:27.040] element is only 80%. So that does not spark joy for me.
[01:15:27.600 -> 01:15:33.840] All right, good. Okay, last subject before the awards, and it's Ferrari. And talking about
[01:15:33.840 -> 01:15:40.400] Ferrari makes me so sad, I've developed a fantastic tactic for dealing with that,
[01:15:40.400 -> 01:15:45.840] which is that I put all my panel on screen and I say, Matt, you're in charge
[01:15:45.840 -> 01:15:48.680] of talking, Ferrari, I will see you in four minutes.
[01:15:48.680 -> 01:15:49.680] Oh, wow.
[01:15:49.680 -> 01:15:50.760] What a surprise.
[01:15:50.760 -> 01:15:52.120] Here we go.
[01:15:52.120 -> 01:15:57.960] Yeah, Ferrari went from pole to not pole.
[01:15:57.960 -> 01:16:01.440] Congratulations on that winning strategy.
[01:16:01.440 -> 01:16:02.440] I don't know.
[01:16:02.440 -> 01:16:06.640] From my point of view, it was never going to be their day for the
[01:16:06.640 -> 01:16:09.400] previously mentioned ride height reasons.
[01:16:09.400 -> 01:16:14.860] I feel like they actually had a lot of positives in terms of their one lap pace here, but this
[01:16:14.860 -> 01:16:19.840] was not the track to see if they're really on top of it or not.
[01:16:19.840 -> 01:16:20.840] Antonia.
[01:16:20.840 -> 01:16:25.000] This feels like pass the parcel except with like a really horrible nasty parcel
[01:16:25.000 -> 01:16:27.000] that no one really wants to touch.
[01:16:27.000 -> 01:16:28.000] Fruitcake, yeah.
[01:16:28.000 -> 01:16:33.000] Every holiday you mail your fruitcake to the person who sent it to you and it just never gets consumed.
[01:16:33.000 -> 01:16:36.000] I just can't keep having the same conversation.
[01:16:36.000 -> 01:16:39.000] I mean, LeClaire on the radio saying, oh, Plan C sucks.
[01:16:39.000 -> 01:16:41.000] Why am I on Plan C?
[01:16:41.000 -> 01:16:47.280] Well, because if you get any – I'm so bored of hearing all of these letters from the alphabet
[01:16:47.280 -> 01:16:54.400] that aren't near the front of it. You know, why are we on plan H on lap six? Like, I'm so sick of
[01:16:54.400 -> 01:16:59.360] the strategy yet. It wasn't there and it was never going to be a circuit that suited them. Of course,
[01:16:59.360 -> 01:17:03.360] we didn't know that. They're not on top form at the moment, especially a circuit like this, but
[01:17:05.040 -> 01:17:10.960] that they're not on top form at the moment, especially a circuit like this, but from pole position, to slip down to P6 for Leclerc is just horrendous. And for neither of the drivers to be
[01:17:10.960 -> 01:17:17.840] on the podium, I think was so poor from Ferrari today and so not acceptable for the caliber of
[01:17:17.840 -> 01:17:24.000] team that they are. But I've said it before, we've all said it before. So I would hate to
[01:17:24.000 -> 01:17:25.360] bore our listeners because I can't keep coming up We've all said it before. So I would hate to bore our listeners because
[01:17:26.160 -> 01:17:28.560] I can't keep coming up with synonyms for mediocre.
[01:17:29.280 -> 01:17:35.040] So clearly, Scott, putting signs on the winning strategy and ahead of a clerk
[01:17:35.040 -> 01:17:37.200] shows that there's been a shift of power at Ferrari.
[01:17:37.760 -> 01:17:48.000] Yeah, that was an odd one. I don't understand how the team with the highest degradation on their tires decides to do the one strategy that requires
[01:17:49.280 -> 01:17:55.520] the best tire management. Try and make that make sense people. Ferrari strategy 101.
[01:17:57.040 -> 01:18:03.280] Yeah, I mean if I'm Leclerc, I'm a very angry man and he said why have I had to let signs through.
[01:18:03.280 -> 01:18:05.680] I mean it was a comedy show weekend, to be honest.
[01:18:05.680 -> 01:18:08.920] Even I've, I don't like to call out individual people,
[01:18:08.920 -> 01:18:11.480] but I've made comments before
[01:18:11.480 -> 01:18:14.320] or brought up Charles Leclerc's engineer in particular.
[01:18:14.320 -> 01:18:16.900] And he nearly gave Charles Leclerc a heart attack
[01:18:16.900 -> 01:18:17.740] in qualifying.
[01:18:17.740 -> 01:18:20.240] I don't know if anyone saw this in on Friday
[01:18:20.240 -> 01:18:22.680] where he went lap time deleted.
[01:18:22.680 -> 01:18:24.720] And Leclerc was like, what, what, what are you telling me?
[01:18:24.720 -> 01:18:31.040] He's like, Verstappen lap time deleted and the Claire was like what what what are you telling me? He's like Verstappen lap time deleted and he's like tell me the name first Xavi and it was just
[01:18:31.040 -> 01:18:38.520] comedy gold but that's just kind of highlights what Ferrari have kind of been going through
[01:18:38.520 -> 01:18:46.080] these last few years and today just was the latest episode. That's the thing. There's an ongoing joke online about Xavi,
[01:18:46.080 -> 01:18:50.320] his race engineer, being his biggest hater and his biggest downfall.
[01:18:50.320 -> 01:18:56.640] Oh my god, really? But I see where they're coming from. They don't seem like they're on the same
[01:18:56.640 -> 01:19:01.440] team 90% of the time. Charles sat there in a strop in the car because he's not happy with
[01:19:01.440 -> 01:19:05.160] the communication and surely that's one of the most basic things.
[01:19:09.000 -> 01:19:13.600] You talk to your driver in a clear, confident, concise way, execute your decisions with the confidence that you've calculated them correctly and you know
[01:19:13.600 -> 01:19:15.140] why you're doing what you're doing.
[01:19:15.180 -> 01:19:20.880] Not a plan D or plan C, or do you want to stay on the one that's really not working
[01:19:20.880 -> 01:19:23.500] for you, or should we switch you to a different one that probably also won't
[01:19:23.500 -> 01:19:24.900] work for you, we have no idea.
[01:19:27.360 -> 01:19:33.680] We've just pressed a random letter generator and said, go for that one. Leclerc doesn't trust his own engineer, the person who is
[01:19:33.680 -> 01:19:38.320] meant to be his closest confidante on the radio. Come on.
[01:19:38.320 -> 01:19:48.080] Okay. Admittedly, it's almost as easy as taking candy from a baby to criticize Ferrari. Okay, do it, do it, I know, I agree, go for it, do it.
[01:19:48.080 -> 01:19:51.400] Take that candy, take that candy and you eat that candy.
[01:19:51.400 -> 01:19:55.120] No, I refuse. I'm giving that candy to the baby and I'm gonna watch it choke.
[01:19:55.120 -> 01:19:55.720] No.
[01:19:55.720 -> 01:19:58.120] I would save its life first.
[01:19:58.120 -> 01:20:00.400] Steve, can we get an edit on that?
[01:20:00.400 -> 01:20:03.960] Yeah, we're gonna need an edit. Sorry, that was comedy that went very wrong.
[01:20:03.960 -> 01:20:05.520] Um, I want to bring up what I think is the silver lining for Ferrari this weekend, Yeah, we're going to need to edit. Sorry, that was comedy that went very wrong.
[01:20:05.520 -> 01:20:10.040] I want to bring up what I think is the silver lining for Ferrari this weekend, and that's
[01:20:10.040 -> 01:20:17.800] qualifying and Charles Leclerc sensibly being conservative and not getting his lap time
[01:20:17.800 -> 01:20:21.760] deleted, the lap time that ultimately gave him pole position.
[01:20:21.760 -> 01:20:26.960] And so my question is, I have been a longtime critic of Leclerc,
[01:20:26.960 -> 01:20:32.400] not because he's not a good driver, not because he's not fast, but because when push comes to
[01:20:32.400 -> 01:20:38.080] shove, he always has this idea that he can go slightly faster than the car is actually capable
[01:20:38.080 -> 01:20:46.020] of. And is this a new lead for him? Are we finally seeing the maturity we've been waiting from from
[01:20:46.020 -> 01:20:47.020] Leclerc?
[01:20:47.020 -> 01:20:52.760] I agree. I think one positive I think Ferrari can take away from this weekend is Charles's
[01:20:52.760 -> 01:20:57.800] performance. Ignore today, we always knew he was probably going to go back down the
[01:20:57.800 -> 01:21:07.260] grids, not as obviously had a lot of assistance from the strategy team today, but he put in a great lap or great performance
[01:21:07.260 -> 01:21:13.520] on Friday. He did pretty well on the Saturday as well. Was he P2? I think it was P2 on the
[01:21:13.520 -> 01:21:19.320] sprint shootout. So much F1 over the weekend. But after a couple of poor performances recently
[01:21:19.320 -> 01:21:27.800] with Sainz being the man of the hour winning Singapore and putting in those front facing performances.
[01:21:27.800 -> 01:21:31.460] Charles was kind of back at it again this weekend. It's just a shame that it's ended
[01:21:31.460 -> 01:21:33.940] on a sour note with the strategy call.
[01:21:33.940 -> 01:21:38.300] Are we hearing ourselves right now? Aside from the race, he had a great weekend. You
[01:21:38.300 -> 01:21:40.660] mean the main component of the weekend?
[01:21:40.660 -> 01:21:47.000] It wasn't his fault though, was it? Let's be honest. It's the team. I would
[01:21:47.000 -> 01:21:52.740] love to do. Well done. He did really well not to get track limits in Qually so he kept
[01:21:52.740 -> 01:21:58.500] his pole up. He didn't break the rules? What are you saying? Congratulations, Charles.
[01:21:58.500 -> 01:22:01.980] You didn't break the rules in Qually and oh yeah, you had a really great weekend other
[01:22:01.980 -> 01:22:05.280] than the main part of the weekend. This is how low the bar is for Ferrari at the moment.
[01:22:05.280 -> 01:22:10.720] That's what I'm saying and I'm agreeing like but that are we having to go to these lengths
[01:22:10.720 -> 01:22:15.680] to find the smallest thing to compliment? It's like it's like being in school and like the
[01:22:15.680 -> 01:22:19.760] person who gets zero out of ten in every test gets one out of ten they get an award it's like
[01:22:19.760 -> 01:22:26.240] what do you mean? We're rewarding mediocrity in in the finest sense and it is so time that we stopped
[01:22:26.240 -> 01:22:31.680] handing drivers and generally speaking handing bare minimums and going, oh you did so good,
[01:22:31.680 -> 01:22:36.640] they did not, they did horribly. I have never been more grateful that this is a remotely
[01:22:36.640 -> 01:22:43.280] recorded podcast otherwise we would all be in physical danger. Matt. I just, okay, everything
[01:22:43.280 -> 01:22:47.040] you said about the team and the performance in the race, is true.
[01:22:47.040 -> 01:22:48.040] But...
[01:22:48.040 -> 01:22:49.440] I'm still gonna come back to...
[01:22:49.440 -> 01:22:59.680] I have been waiting years to see Charles Leclerc not drive into a wall, break his transmission,
[01:22:59.680 -> 01:23:03.440] crash on the first lap, when he was the fastest car.
[01:23:03.440 -> 01:23:06.640] I have said it over and over and over again,
[01:23:06.640 -> 01:23:13.840] his weakness is he feels like he has to drive 110%, and he needs to learn how to drive 99%
[01:23:14.320 -> 01:23:21.280] and still feel like he's driving 110%. And I just, the sense I get from his qualifying
[01:23:21.280 -> 01:23:25.320] performance this weekend is that maybe he has
[01:23:25.600 -> 01:23:29.960] Personally turned that corner and I would classify that as a big thing
[01:23:30.860 -> 01:23:36.520] Regardless of how Ferrari the team or he himself finished in the race
[01:23:36.600 -> 01:23:38.860] We won't know until we see it again
[01:23:39.200 -> 01:23:44.800] But it's the most positive sign I've seen from him since we've been making this complaint
[01:23:44.920 -> 01:23:45.760] Which has been
[01:23:45.760 -> 01:23:50.960] like pretty much like what forever? Yeah, I will just say after my rant there, I'm a big Charles
[01:23:50.960 -> 01:23:57.120] Clare fan, love Ferrari. Oh, okay. You're never going back there again. I think they're fab. No,
[01:23:58.800 -> 01:24:02.080] it's going back to what we've always said, which is you're hardest on the people that you want.
[01:24:02.080 -> 01:24:09.640] Yes, agree. And I'm sat here and I'd love to root for Ferrari because they've got a great lineup and they could be doing
[01:24:09.640 -> 01:24:12.600] so much better than they are, which is just why it's frustrating.
[01:24:12.600 -> 01:24:20.400] Yeah, welcome to the land of every Ferrari fan. Let's move on to the podium. All right,
[01:24:20.400 -> 01:24:29.040] that was one of my favourite race weekends of the year and I suppose it's a fairly low bar when you come to overall
[01:24:29.640 -> 01:24:34.640] Competitiveness to say well, we saw a genuine battle up front even at Singapore
[01:24:34.680 -> 01:24:37.800] We saw a different winner to Max Verstappen
[01:24:37.800 -> 01:24:46.000] But what we didn't get to see was Max Verstappen mixing it with this grit and I truly believe that with Red Bull we are seeing one of
[01:24:46.000 -> 01:24:53.200] the best drivers with one of the best cars in one of the best teams fighting in Formula One and it
[01:24:53.200 -> 01:25:00.640] would be a better legacy for that best driver and that best car and that best team to be fighting
[01:25:00.640 -> 01:25:05.760] against quote-unquote worthy opposition and today we just got a glimpse
[01:25:05.760 -> 01:25:13.680] of what it might be like if in this regulation set in 2024 McLaren, Mercedes and Ferrari
[01:25:13.680 -> 01:25:19.840] turn up with something competitive to fight Red Bull. I wouldn't get my hopes up too much
[01:25:19.840 -> 01:25:25.560] because Red Bull have all but abandoned their 2023 aspirations.
[01:25:25.560 -> 01:25:32.760] It's a bumpy track that perhaps Red Bull are not quite on, you know, got their grips to.
[01:25:32.760 -> 01:25:36.040] You know, same thing we saw in Singapore.
[01:25:36.040 -> 01:25:40.160] If I'm struggling with my words, it's because it is 1.15am.
[01:25:40.160 -> 01:25:53.000] But all I'm saying is that we might be seeing a little bit of a false dawn. But if we just dream hard enough, if we pray and sacrifice something to the F1 gods,
[01:25:53.000 -> 01:25:58.000] maybe they will reward us with a competitive 2024.
[01:25:58.000 -> 01:26:05.280] And maybe if we could suggest one thing to sacrifice to the F1 gods, I would say Alpine. No?
[01:26:05.280 -> 01:26:06.640] Is that your mic drop?
[01:26:06.640 -> 01:26:09.000] Is that just, I want rid of Alpine?
[01:26:09.000 -> 01:26:10.000] Really?
[01:26:10.000 -> 01:26:12.440] With all the new investment and all the sports people?
[01:26:12.440 -> 01:26:14.880] Those are the people you'd get rid of?
[01:26:14.880 -> 01:26:18.440] Not the people who went to start in the pit lane because they don't even know which way
[01:26:18.440 -> 01:26:19.440] up is?
[01:26:19.440 -> 01:26:22.240] I thought I said that in my head, but it came out out loud apparently.
[01:26:22.240 -> 01:26:29.840] So yeah, Alpine, everyone's 10th favourite team. But yes, yes, we haven't mentioned Aston Martin at all, who had to do, who got things
[01:26:29.840 -> 01:26:34.800] so wrong, they had to start from the pit lane. But this is a good opportunity to mention
[01:26:34.800 -> 01:26:39.840] those things in our awards segment. So, the first thing we do is give out a Good Thing
[01:26:39.840 -> 01:26:47.000] Award. It's the thing of the Weekend!
[01:26:47.000 -> 01:26:50.760] Okay, I'm definitely going to get told off for that because that was quite loud and everyone
[01:26:50.760 -> 01:26:53.200] else in this house has been asleep for about four hours.
[01:26:53.200 -> 01:26:57.680] So, Thing of the Weekend, let's go to Antonia Rankin.
[01:26:57.680 -> 01:27:04.200] Antonia, what was the thing or person or concept or time or just a theorial feeling of the
[01:27:04.200 -> 01:27:11.000] weekend? Gosh, that's very deep for 1am. I'm going to actually give mine to Max Verstappen for
[01:27:11.000 -> 01:27:16.360] two reasons. The first is that he actually held his own under pressure, which he hasn't
[01:27:16.360 -> 01:27:21.200] really been all year. So, you know, good for him. He's a bit out of practice in that aspect.
[01:27:21.200 -> 01:27:26.160] And to that note, also, he recognised the person behind him because he hasn't seen
[01:27:26.160 -> 01:27:27.400] Lewis in his mirrors for a while.
[01:27:27.400 -> 01:27:29.760] Yeah, he hasn't had to use his mirrors for a while.
[01:27:29.760 -> 01:27:33.800] Yeah, props to him for looking behind him and going, oh, there's Lewis Hamilton. So
[01:27:33.800 -> 01:27:36.360] yeah, Thing of the Weekend, good job, Max.
[01:27:36.360 -> 01:27:42.020] Nice. Stuffy, Scott, Scottifer, what was your Thing of the Weekend?
[01:27:42.020 -> 01:27:49.120] My Thing of the Weekend kind of brings us on to my second conspiracy theory of the weekend? My thing of the weekend kind of brings this on to my second conspiracy theory of the evening. Is the
[01:27:49.120 -> 01:27:52.720] green team of Aston Martin and I'm giving it to Alonzo because
[01:27:52.720 -> 01:27:56.320] after a shocking Friday and Saturday for him and the team
[01:27:56.320 -> 01:28:00.360] in general, while they did take the opportunity to break Park
[01:28:00.360 -> 01:28:05.960] Ferme and change some setup options and bolt all of the brand new upgrades
[01:28:05.960 -> 01:28:10.960] onto Baby Stroll's car, Alonzo was still ahead of him
[01:28:11.440 -> 01:28:14.880] and starting from the pit lane was around ninth
[01:28:14.880 -> 01:28:17.440] or eighth I think it was until,
[01:28:17.440 -> 01:28:20.280] and you can see the air quotes here,
[01:28:20.280 -> 01:28:22.000] figuratively if you're listening
[01:28:22.000 -> 01:28:24.880] on one of the many podcasting platforms,
[01:28:26.920 -> 01:28:33.240] had to retire due to a flaw issue. Oh, how convenient. And the conspiracy theory is, and is it really
[01:28:33.240 -> 01:28:40.840] a conspiracy theory if your dad is a billionaire but owns the team? Alonzo's car is being pegged
[01:28:40.840 -> 01:28:47.040] back in performance to make Lance Stroll look better because now, because of
[01:28:47.040 -> 01:28:52.360] that retirement, Lance Stroll finished in the points after a couple of weeks of getting
[01:28:52.360 -> 01:28:58.600] absolutely tanked in the media, rightfully so. Alonso now looks, the gap there doesn't
[01:28:58.600 -> 01:29:01.720] look as big, does it? And he now gets a bit of friendly PR.
[01:29:01.720 -> 01:29:05.680] Okay, hang on. Here we go. Scott, no. Yes.
[01:29:05.680 -> 01:29:08.960] Lance Stroll has shown repeatedly,
[01:29:08.960 -> 01:29:11.000] through crashing into the wall at Singapore,
[01:29:11.000 -> 01:29:12.280] amongst other things,
[01:29:12.280 -> 01:29:15.080] that that proved how committed he was, yeah?
[01:29:15.080 -> 01:29:19.520] His dedication to crashing has shown how amazing he was,
[01:29:19.520 -> 01:29:24.000] and as his dad said, he has been unlucky,
[01:29:24.000 -> 01:29:26.560] and that's the only reason, he's been super unlucky, that's the only reason, he's been super unlucky.
[01:29:26.560 -> 01:29:28.680] That's the only reason there's been a gap.
[01:29:28.680 -> 01:29:32.480] And just for you to suggest that that huge PR push
[01:29:32.480 -> 01:29:35.000] now coincides with a gap between him
[01:29:35.000 -> 01:29:38.240] and his two-time world champion teammate closes,
[01:29:38.240 -> 01:29:41.480] how dare you, how dare you, Scott?
[01:29:41.480 -> 01:29:45.880] I know, and my last bad thing of the weekend, guys. Oh, no, hang on. Hang
[01:29:45.880 -> 01:29:49.800] on. Hang on. If we're moving on, though, Antonio, I think you had a related thing. Well, no,
[01:29:49.800 -> 01:29:55.600] it was. Can I announce it being the dedicated Mercedes fan here today? Okay. It's just been
[01:29:55.600 -> 01:29:59.820] confirmed that Lewis Hamilton qualified in the United States. Are you joking? Are you
[01:29:59.820 -> 01:30:10.720] actually joking? It's come from the one and only Chris Medlin. If it doesn't come from him, it's not true. And it has come from Chris. Wow. Wow. Why does it have to be my part of this
[01:30:10.720 -> 01:30:15.820] segment as well? In all the Mercedes merch? I mean, the people listening back wouldn't
[01:30:15.820 -> 01:30:19.200] have known that it happened exactly at that point. So you could have finished the Aston
[01:30:19.200 -> 01:30:26.300] Martin point. However, we did this. Yes, it just like it keeps on coming because Luke Smith is reporting that
[01:30:27.080 -> 01:30:30.940] Charles Leclerc is also been disqualified and you know what that means
[01:30:31.500 -> 01:30:36.660] Logan sergeant has scored a point. Okay. Well, well done to Logan sergeant for scoring
[01:30:36.660 -> 01:30:41.060] That's it. That's an achievement and it's come off the back of a lot of criticism
[01:30:41.060 -> 01:30:45.200] But if you want to talk about like a default point you know you can talk about
[01:30:45.200 -> 01:30:50.480] a Grand Prix where four cars started in the pit lane, two cars retired immediately and then two
[01:30:50.480 -> 01:30:57.600] cars were disqualified. Forgive me for not doing jumping jacks Antonia. Can I just say if how many
[01:30:57.600 -> 01:31:02.640] times now has Sainz got a podium from a race after not actually being on the podium? Wow yeah he's
[01:31:02.640 -> 01:31:06.800] inherited. Can that be my bad thing? So Sainz negative thing? So science has got a podium. My goodness. Oh
[01:31:06.800 -> 01:31:11.880] geez. It's all changed hasn't it? Because how many times has this man been post-humously
[01:31:11.880 -> 01:31:16.280] or post-racist? No, post-humously is like death. I don't think that, I don't think we
[01:31:16.280 -> 01:31:20.680] can. Well, after the death of the race, how many times has he been put onto the podium?
[01:31:20.680 -> 01:31:31.160] This poor man hasn't had any champagne. Can I just add to this as well? There were four cars post-race that the FIA randomly
[01:31:31.160 -> 01:31:38.720] test for the planks after a race. So there's a few cars out there that could have possibly
[01:31:38.720 -> 01:31:45.760] also have breached this rule who are now benefiting from this. It just so happens to be that the two of
[01:31:45.760 -> 01:31:51.600] the four randomly tested cars were Charles and Lewis. Oh yeah, Charles has been disqualified!
[01:31:51.600 -> 01:31:56.080] Charles has been disqualified! Yeah, he's gone! So I'm getting such Brazil vibes here. You know
[01:31:56.080 -> 01:32:01.520] Brazil in 2021 where they had the little roller that they pushed through the DRS flap and it's
[01:32:01.520 -> 01:32:09.360] like, oh it's not quite going through, let's get 18 people behind it to like shove it through boom okay yeah he's disqualified oh it just happens to be Lewis does
[01:32:09.360 -> 01:32:14.720] it it just happens to be Lewis the first plank infringement and you're getting my raw hamfosy
[01:32:14.720 -> 01:32:19.520] here in real time the what what other disqualifications have we had for the plank all
[01:32:19.520 -> 01:32:24.080] that suspicion they're going to find him a million pounds now all the suspicion i'm gonna have to
[01:32:24.080 -> 01:32:27.000] pour cold water on that spanners i'm gonna have to turn the heads here.
[01:32:27.000 -> 01:32:28.000] No, that's fair.
[01:32:28.000 -> 01:32:30.000] This is randomly tested...
[01:32:30.000 -> 01:32:42.000] Of all the controversy with planks and all the technical directives and all the stuff around the areas of like the measuring area disappearing around the Red Bull, the technical directive being fired at that...
[01:32:42.000 -> 01:32:43.000] It's Lewis Hamilton.
[01:32:43.000 -> 01:32:50.880] Lewis Hamilton specifically gets his podium taken away for a plank violation. Is this happening? Is this really happening?
[01:32:51.440 -> 01:32:52.800] And it's happening live.
[01:32:52.800 -> 01:32:56.800] It's happening live. So that's my raw reaction to it, Matt. I don't apologize for it.
[01:32:56.800 -> 01:33:02.000] I just want to know, if I was the FIA and two people failed that inspection,
[01:33:02.560 -> 01:33:11.040] I'd be going back and look at everybody's plank at this point. And I want to I'm curious to see if they do that because I mean, admit it.
[01:33:11.040 -> 01:33:20.760] If you're a scrutineer and you have randomly chosen the following people and two of them fail, you're thinking maybe there's a larger issue here.
[01:33:20.800 -> 01:33:23.120] And the whole grid needs to be looked at.
[01:33:24.400 -> 01:33:24.840] All right.
[01:33:25.720 -> 01:33:30.040] Sorry. larger issue here, and the whole grid needs to be looked at. All right. Sorry, so just not only has Klaas de Kler finished,
[01:33:30.040 -> 01:33:33.320] obviously finished sixth, then been disqualified,
[01:33:33.320 -> 01:33:35.200] to rub it in, his own teammate, he
[01:33:35.200 -> 01:33:37.520] had to let by, has now secured a podium.
[01:33:37.520 -> 01:33:38.120] Amazing.
[01:33:38.120 -> 01:33:39.440] That's absolutely.
[01:33:39.440 -> 01:33:42.360] Clearly, science is now the number one driver at Ferrari.
[01:33:42.360 -> 01:33:44.280] This is off the back as well of, yes,
[01:33:44.280 -> 01:33:45.800] we know we find Lewis Hamilton a lot
[01:33:45.800 -> 01:33:47.120] for crossing the track,
[01:33:47.120 -> 01:33:49.040] and that's normally the end of it,
[01:33:49.040 -> 01:33:51.600] but we're also going to super double,
[01:33:51.600 -> 01:33:53.640] super secret investigate him at COTA
[01:33:53.640 -> 01:33:55.200] because he's a role model.
[01:33:55.200 -> 01:33:57.360] Off the back of that, and off the back of,
[01:33:57.360 -> 01:34:00.440] we're now increasing the maximum we can find people,
[01:34:00.440 -> 01:34:03.400] and then, you know, now we get here,
[01:34:03.400 -> 01:34:06.920] like, there's been so much stuff around the plank and it just
[01:34:06.920 -> 01:34:12.880] happens to be Lewis Hamilton, not from 6th but from that second place.
[01:34:12.880 -> 01:34:17.200] Alright, so this podcaster is calling shenanigans.
[01:34:17.200 -> 01:34:20.640] I am deeply unhappy.
[01:34:20.640 -> 01:34:21.880] Is that your bad thing in the weekend?
[01:34:21.880 -> 01:34:22.880] Hang on, wait two seconds.
[01:34:22.880 -> 01:34:23.880] Oh no!
[01:34:23.880 -> 01:34:24.880] Oh no, you missed the apex.
[01:34:24.880 -> 01:34:25.000] Right, I'm going to take a moment to calm down. Is that your bad thing in the weekend? Oh, hang on, wait two seconds. Oh no!
[01:34:25.000 -> 01:34:27.000] You missed the apex.
[01:34:27.000 -> 01:34:28.000] Right.
[01:34:28.000 -> 01:34:31.000] I'm going to take a moment to calm down and ask Matt.
[01:34:31.000 -> 01:34:33.000] Matt, what was your thing of the weekend?
[01:34:33.000 -> 01:34:38.000] Well, uh, I mean, aside from doing our podcast so late, you know what?
[01:34:38.000 -> 01:34:40.000] I'm going to, I'm just going to go there.
[01:34:40.000 -> 01:34:46.680] My thing of the weekend was having the chance to watch Hamilton chasing down Verstappen and having
[01:34:46.680 -> 01:34:50.640] that be in the realm of possibility that he would catch him.
[01:34:50.640 -> 01:34:51.640] Okay, fair enough.
[01:34:51.640 -> 01:34:58.520] It's nice to see a race at the end where you, where you think that could happen.
[01:34:58.520 -> 01:35:01.040] The strategies, everything played into it.
[01:35:01.040 -> 01:35:06.040] End of the day, it's two of the best drivers on the planet, chasing each other
[01:35:06.040 -> 01:35:08.960] down, and it was just fantastic to watch.
[01:35:08.960 -> 01:35:12.120] Even if it all didn't mean anything at the end.
[01:35:12.120 -> 01:35:14.120] My thing of the weekend is, no, you shut up.
[01:35:14.120 -> 01:35:16.360] I'm in a bad mood now.
[01:35:16.360 -> 01:35:17.360] Boo!
[01:35:17.360 -> 01:35:24.920] Okay, so the Missed Apex Award goes to, to me, it goes to Lewis Hamilton for failing
[01:35:24.920 -> 01:35:28.240] magically somehow to have his plank comply
[01:35:28.240 -> 01:35:34.960] with some rule or other. Okay Antonia, what missed the apex for you? It can be me if you want.
[01:35:36.000 -> 01:35:44.160] I have so many words normally and none of them are here right now. How do you fail that technical
[01:35:44.160 -> 01:35:45.840] regulation? It's so big.
[01:35:45.840 -> 01:35:50.080] Well, it could be Mercedes then. It could be Mercedes for failing that technical regulation.
[01:35:50.080 -> 01:35:53.600] So yeah. Yeah. And it is though, because stuff like
[01:35:53.600 -> 01:35:57.960] this is so textbook, you just don't run your car to the ground that low, especially Mercedes
[01:35:57.960 -> 01:36:02.480] and Ferrari, who were the two teams that arguably struggled the most with porpoising. They know
[01:36:02.480 -> 01:36:08.720] full well about ride height and all of the regulations that came on along with it, given how much stress was put on it last year.
[01:36:08.720 -> 01:36:13.760] How have they let this happen? I mean, it's nuts. And I mean, you know, fair enough. It's great.
[01:36:13.760 -> 01:36:17.600] It's given us a fantastic result, you know. Interesting for Perez as well, a bit of a
[01:36:17.600 -> 01:36:21.200] lifesaver for him in terms of closing up that point gap. Yes, absolutely. Yeah.
[01:36:22.160 -> 01:36:27.800] Yeah, no, shocking. I'm a bit shocked. And that has serious financial implications as well, doesn't it?
[01:36:27.800 -> 01:36:30.400] In the Constructors' Championship.
[01:36:30.400 -> 01:36:33.400] Scott, do one of your conspiracies and then I can say that you're wrong.
[01:36:33.400 -> 01:36:35.000] Can you do this conspiracy?
[01:36:35.000 -> 01:36:40.600] Another rumour is that Perez, a different Perez rumour now,
[01:36:40.600 -> 01:36:43.800] is that if he doesn't secure P2 in the Championship,
[01:36:43.800 -> 01:36:45.840] he will not retain his seat
[01:36:45.840 -> 01:36:49.400] for the end of the year. That's the rumor going around the paddock, apparently.
[01:36:49.400 -> 01:36:52.680] Okay, Scott, who missed the apex for you?
[01:36:52.680 -> 01:36:54.080] Haas, in general.
[01:36:54.080 -> 01:36:55.080] Yeah.
[01:36:55.080 -> 01:36:56.080] Because there was...
[01:36:56.080 -> 01:36:57.080] That was a big update, wasn't it?
[01:36:57.080 -> 01:37:09.040] I saw hashtag Haas ball. They've got a brand new big update. Basically basically everything's brand new. And they just where were they? I like to quote Gunther Steiner. Gunther
[01:37:09.040 -> 01:37:13.120] Steiner has been quoted a few times recently regarding an 11th
[01:37:13.120 -> 01:37:17.640] team, that it's quality over quantity. And we need we don't
[01:37:17.640 -> 01:37:20.240] want teams who can't bring anything to the grid. Well, I
[01:37:20.240 -> 01:37:23.760] would say at this moment in time, or for quite a some period
[01:37:23.760 -> 01:37:26.320] of time now, Haas have not brought any
[01:37:26.320 -> 01:37:32.320] value to this grid. So yes, they're my mistake pixels. The way you said that made me think you
[01:37:32.320 -> 01:37:36.880] were about to say like, to quote John Keats, but no, you went Gunter, Gunter Steiner.
[01:37:38.720 -> 01:37:42.880] Yeah, I can't remember what happened last week, but did you not just earlier in the show talk
[01:37:42.880 -> 01:37:48.920] about the amazing racing between Magnussen and Tsunoda? I mean, Haas has clearly brought at least two halfway decent
[01:37:48.920 -> 01:37:50.840] drivers to this fight.
[01:37:50.840 -> 01:37:57.880] For 17th place, was it for? It wasn't even shown on TV. I had to go through the depths
[01:37:57.880 -> 01:37:59.680] of Twitter to find it.
[01:37:59.680 -> 01:38:02.600] Fine, fine, fine, fine, fine. Be that way.
[01:38:02.600 -> 01:38:05.100] Who hasn't done a Missed Apex award? I think it's you, Matt.
[01:38:05.100 -> 01:38:09.220] Yeah, no, no, because obviously, if we're going to look at who missed the Apex, the
[01:38:09.220 -> 01:38:13.260] people who started in the pit lane are clearly the ones to look at.
[01:38:13.260 -> 01:38:20.080] And while you can ding Haas, who waited all season to bring their giant update to a session
[01:38:20.080 -> 01:38:26.400] that only had one practice before you had to lock everything in. I am going to point my finger at
[01:38:26.400 -> 01:38:34.880] Aston Martin, which is so sadly lost that they put an old floor on Fernando Alonso's car,
[01:38:34.880 -> 01:38:40.000] a new floor on Lance Stroll's car, because they just don't know what's going on. And then after
[01:38:40.000 -> 01:38:45.400] they did that, the floor failed on Alonzo's car and they had to retire him.
[01:38:45.400 -> 01:38:48.860] So I hope they got some usable data out of that.
[01:38:48.860 -> 01:38:52.520] Because they were fun when they were like looking like they might win a thing.
[01:38:52.520 -> 01:38:56.800] But geez, I mean, holy Williams 2019 guys.
[01:38:56.800 -> 01:39:02.880] You know, let's just cover the whole car in FlowViz and put on like the stuff from 2014
[01:39:02.880 -> 01:39:03.880] and see what happens.
[01:39:03.880 -> 01:39:06.080] That's like really kind of where I feel they are.
[01:39:06.080 -> 01:39:12.080] And my Miss Apex Award goes to me and I'm blaming it being half past one.
[01:39:12.080 -> 01:39:17.200] And my normal veil of neutrality, I feel like it slightly slipped.
[01:39:17.200 -> 01:39:20.480] Like my mask of neutrality just slightly fell off, Matt.
[01:39:20.480 -> 01:39:21.280] How do you think I did?
[01:39:21.280 -> 01:39:27.560] I think I might have given my personal biases away a tiny bit.
[01:39:27.560 -> 01:39:32.920] I'm pretty sure given the hour, you probably got away with it.
[01:39:32.920 -> 01:39:37.240] And I'm pretty sure there's going to be a midweek show of some sort coming up.
[01:39:37.240 -> 01:39:42.160] But please, thank you very much for joining us this late at night or for downloading us.
[01:39:42.160 -> 01:39:48.900] And please, if you've got a second, tell your friends that Missed Apex podcast is a pretty good place to catch up with stuff post race. But
[01:39:48.900 -> 01:39:54.180] most importantly, go and follow my panel. All the links will be in the show notes below,
[01:39:54.180 -> 01:40:02.080] but follow future TV and international social media sensation, Antonia J Rankin. I promise
[01:40:02.080 -> 01:40:07.160] you, you will be able to say, oh, I was following and listening to Antonio years ago
[01:40:07.160 -> 01:40:09.660] because she is a future mega star.
[01:40:09.660 -> 01:40:13.180] Scott's too old to make anything like meaningful
[01:40:13.180 -> 01:40:15.880] of his life, but his stream is pretty good.
[01:40:15.880 -> 01:40:17.080] Scott, don't give me that look.
[01:40:17.080 -> 01:40:17.920] I'm telling people-
[01:40:17.920 -> 01:40:18.760] Love you too, Spanners, love you too.
[01:40:18.760 -> 01:40:20.440] I'm telling people to follow you.
[01:40:20.440 -> 01:40:22.720] I'm also way past, you know, boiling-
[01:40:22.720 -> 01:40:23.760] Important way of doing it.
[01:40:23.760 -> 01:40:25.500] Okay, in the show notes, go and follow Scott. He is absolutely fantastic. And follow me, I'm the way past, you know, boiling. I have a way of doing it. Okay, in the show notes, go and follow Scott.
[01:40:25.500 -> 01:40:26.500] He is absolutely fantastic.
[01:40:26.500 -> 01:40:27.500] And follow me.
[01:40:27.500 -> 01:40:28.500] I'm the best one.
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