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**Navigating the Nuances of Formula One with Joe Saward**

*Navigating the Nuances of Formula One with Joe Saward*

- **Joe Saward's Perspective on Formula One Journalism:**

- Joe Saward, a seasoned Formula One journalist, criticizes the influx of unreliable news sources and the practice of "extrapolation," where journalists rely on Google Translate to interpret foreign press and sensationalize headlines.
- He emphasizes the importance of credible news sources and highlights the challenge of finding reliable information amidst the clutter.

- **The Controversial Miami Grand Prix Driver Introductions:**

- Joe Saward expresses his indifference towards the elaborate driver introductions at the Miami Grand Prix, considering them a distraction that takes away from the on-track action.
- He acknowledges that the American audience may appreciate such entertainment, but he believes that the focus should remain on the racing itself.

- **The Debate over Overtaking and Race Excitement:**

- Joe Saward acknowledges the occasional dull race but argues that television coverage often fails to capture the full excitement of a race.
- He emphasizes the importance of lap charting to witness the intricacies of the race and highlights the difference between what the audience sees on TV and what actually transpires on the track.
- Saward believes that the emphasis on overtaking as the sole determinant of an exciting race is misguided.

- **The Delicate Balance of Red Flags and Safety in Formula One:**

- Joe Saward acknowledges the need for red flags to ensure driver safety but expresses concern about the overuse of red flags, particularly in practice and qualifying sessions.
- He believes that race control has become overly cautious following the incidents in Suzuka last year, leading to unnecessary interruptions.
- Saward calls for a more balanced approach to red flags, allowing races to continue unless there is a genuine threat to driver safety.

- **The Challenges of Wet Weather Racing:**

- Joe Saward explains that the inability to start a race in full wets is not solely due to tire performance but rather the risk of aquaplaning, where cars lose control due to excessive standing water.
- He emphasizes the importance of race control's judgment based on driver feedback and the need to prioritize safety over the desire for immediate racing action.

- **The Evolution of Safety Measures in Formula One:**

- Joe Saward reflects on the shift towards increased safety measures in Formula One, acknowledging that drivers are less likely to take risks due to the heightened emphasis on protecting them from harm.
- He observes the trend of double-waved yellows transitioning into safety car periods and eventual red flags, aiming to minimize the chances of accidents.

- **The Role of DRS in Formula One:**

- Joe Saward defends the use of DRS as a clever solution to create artificial slipstreaming opportunities when natural slipstreaming is limited due to aerodynamic disruptions.
- He argues that DRS is not the sole cause of complaints about Formula One and that it provides an exciting element of strategy and overtaking.

- **Joe Saward's Favorite and Least Favorite Tracks to Work At:**

- Joe Saward expresses his dislike for working at the Monaco Grand Prix due to the challenging access to the paddock, the arrogant attitude of the marshals, and the perceived superiority complex of the Automobile Club of Monaco.
- He prefers tracks with easy access to the paddock and a clear view of the racetrack, highlighting the importance of journalists being able to witness the action firsthand.

- **Addressing the Struggles of McLaren in Formula One:**

- Joe Saward suggests that McLaren's technical staff should be restructured to address the car's performance issues.
- He acknowledges the difficulty in attracting top talent to a team that is not showing much potential and emphasizes the need for a positive and supportive environment to attract and retain skilled personnel.

- **The Challenges Facing Alpine in Formula One:**

- Joe Saward comments on the difficulties faced by Alpine in Formula One, particularly in attracting top talent due to the ongoing turmoil within the team.
- He highlights the importance of stability and a clear direction for the team to attract the best people and achieve success.

- **The Role of CEO Laurent Rossi in Alpine's Restructuring:**

- Joe Saward clarifies that Laurent Rossi, the CEO of Alpine, is not directly involved in the role of team principal and has a broader focus on the overall management of the team.
- He believes that Otmar Szafnauer, the team principal, is responsible for the day-to-day operations and decision-making within the team. 1. **Alpine's Struggles and CEO Laurent Rossi's Comments:**

- Alpine CEO Laurent Rossi publicly criticized the team, stating that the car is "rubbish."
- Joe Saward expresses his opinion that Rossi's comments were not appropriate and that he should focus on the team's challenges, such as producing 150,000 cars per year by 2030.
- Saward mentions Alpine's recent deal with AutoNation for selling Alpine cars in America, eliminating the need for dealerships.
- He praises Rossi's intelligence but questions his understanding of Formula One intricacies.

2. **James Vowles' Performance as Williams Team Principal:**

- Saward commends Vowles for his sensible approach and ability to avoid making wild claims.
- He highlights the improved performance of Alex Albon and Logan Sargent in qualifying, with Williams securing positions in Q3.
- Saward believes that Vowles is taking a long-term approach to rebuilding the team, focusing on identifying and recruiting the right people.
- He emphasizes the importance of patience in turning around a team's fortunes and cites the example of Lawrence Stroll's investment in Aston Martin, which has yet to yield significant results.

3. **Lawrence Stroll and Aston Martin's F1 Involvement:**

- Saward criticizes Stroll's ownership of Aston Martin, questioning the rationale behind acquiring the struggling car company.
- He suggests that Stroll's primary motivation is to secure a Formula One team for his son, Lance Stroll.
- Saward points out Lance Stroll's lack of impressive results despite being given ample opportunities and suggests that he may not be a top-tier driver.
- He expresses skepticism about Fernando Alonso's recent complimentary remarks towards Lance Stroll, suggesting that Alonso may be trying to maintain a good relationship with the team owner.

4. **Nick de Vries' Performance at AlphaTauri:**

- Saward attributes Nick de Vries' impressive performance as a substitute driver for Alex Albon at Williams to luck, as the car was exceptionally competitive that weekend.
- He believes that de Vries has found Yuki Tsunoda to be a more challenging teammate than expected.
- Saward suggests that Tsunoda has improved significantly and is now a solid performer, potentially making it difficult for de Vries to shine.
- He raises concerns about the possibility that the AlphaTauri car may not be as bad as it seems and that de Vries and Tsunoda may not be extracting its full potential.

5. **Honda's Influence on Red Bull's Driver Choices:**

- Saward suggests that Honda's continued involvement in Formula One, albeit to a lesser extent, may influence Red Bull's decision to retain Tsunoda as a driver.
- He highlights the lack of support provided to Red Bull juniors and criticizes the team's handling of young drivers.
- Saward believes that Tsunoda has been given more time and opportunities compared to other Red Bull juniors due to Honda's involvement.

6. **The Importance of Successful Drivers for F1's Growth:**

- Saward emphasizes the positive impact of successful drivers from different countries on Formula One's popularity and growth.
- He cites the potential for a South African Grand Prix if a successful driver emerges from that country.
- Saward acknowledges the challenges in finding and developing female Formula One drivers but stresses the importance of creating opportunities and providing support.
- He also highlights the need for more qualified engineers in Formula One and the ongoing efforts to address this issue. # Joe Saward's Podcast Summary: Navigating Formula One's Complexities

**Gender Dynamics in Formula One:**

- There has been a noticeable increase in female viewership of Formula One, as reflected in statistics.
- Maria, a Slack group member, inquires about the extent to which the current Mercedes team is an Alison-led concept.

**James Allison's Role in Mercedes' Success:**

- James Allison, the former technical director at Mercedes, played a significant role in the team's success, but he recently transitioned to the role of Chief Technical Officer (CTO).
- Joe Saward emphasizes that the success of a Formula One team is not solely dependent on one individual, as it involves the contributions of a large team of engineers and designers.

**The Importance of Leadership and Strategy:**

- Saward highlights the significance of both leadership and strategy in Formula One.
- He draws a distinction between leaders who inspire and those who are more analytical and strategic.
- The Mercedes team's success is attributed to their ability to combine these qualities effectively.

**The Cult of Personality in Formula One:**

- Saward cautions against the "cult of personality" surrounding certain individuals in Formula One, such as Adrian Newey.
- He emphasizes that even renowned designers like Newey rely on a team of talented individuals to bring their ideas to fruition.

**The Role of Red Bull's Design Team:**

- Saward acknowledges the strength of Red Bull's design team, which has produced exceptional cars over the years.
- He mentions key members of the team, including Rob Marshall, Pierre Vachez, and Enrico Lorenzo.
- Red Bull's success is attributed to their ability to retain talent and adapt to changing circumstances.

**Mercedes' Culture of Inclusivity:**

- Saward contrasts Mercedes' more inclusive approach to team management with that of other teams.
- He suggests that Mercedes' focus on teamwork and unity has contributed to their long-term success.

**Unpredictability of Formula One Upgrades:**

- Saward acknowledges the difficulty in predicting the effectiveness of Formula One upgrades.
- He emphasizes that even experts cannot accurately forecast the impact of these changes.
- The constant evolution of Formula One makes it challenging to assess the true potential of upgrades.

**Max Verstappen's Dominance and Sergio Perez's Contender Status:**

- Saward praises Max Verstappen's exceptional driving skills and his consistent performance throughout the season.
- He downplays the notion of Sergio Perez being a genuine championship contender, despite his strong performances.

**Saward's Highlight of the Season:**

- Saward expresses his admiration for Max Verstappen's excellence and his ability to consistently deliver impressive results.
- He emphasizes the importance of recognizing and appreciating exceptional talent in Formula One.

**Saward's Empathy for Struggling Drivers:**

- Saward acknowledges that he feels empathy for drivers who are struggling, understanding their pain and disappointment.
- He emphasizes the human aspect of Formula One and the emotional toll it can take on drivers.

**The Essence of Formula One:**

- Saward reflects on the essence of Formula One, highlighting the passion, excitement, and human drama that make the sport compelling.
- He emphasizes the importance of recognizing the human element and the emotions involved in the sport.

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[01:51.780 -> 02:09.160] You are listening to missed apex podcast we live f1 Welcome to MIST APEX podcast, it's Inside F1 with Joe Sayward on MIST APEX.
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[02:39.560 -> 02:41.840] But on to the business of the show.
[02:41.840 -> 02:46.120] Today, I am joined once again by the most experienced F1 journalist
[02:46.120 -> 02:53.920] in the galaxy, someone who's attended every F1 race since 1988. He devours team principals
[02:53.920 -> 02:59.660] like Sonoda devours 11th place finishes, and he only stops the hunt occasionally to come
[02:59.660 -> 03:05.640] to the shed to bring us Inside F1. It's Joe Sayward. How's it going, Joe?
[03:05.640 -> 03:06.640] Very good.
[03:06.640 -> 03:07.640] Very good.
[03:07.640 -> 03:08.840] I'm not sure I devoured too many team principals.
[03:08.840 -> 03:11.320] I've spat a few out.
[03:11.320 -> 03:12.320] Yes.
[03:12.320 -> 03:15.000] Mostly, I get on well with them.
[03:15.000 -> 03:16.000] They're all right.
[03:16.000 -> 03:17.000] Most of them.
[03:17.000 -> 03:18.560] Who's your favourite one?
[03:18.560 -> 03:21.960] I couldn't possibly comment, but I...
[03:21.960 -> 03:24.520] No, I couldn't possibly comment.
[03:24.520 -> 03:27.120] That would be subjective, wouldn't it?
[03:27.120 -> 03:32.480] Do they have as much time for you these days than, say, the 80s when there was less media
[03:32.480 -> 03:36.800] and maybe only a couple of TV channels? Now they're doing constant interviews. Do you find
[03:36.800 -> 03:40.240] it harder to grab them? No, not really. There is a difference
[03:40.240 -> 03:49.440] nowadays and that is that there are in fact not more journalists around, not written word journalists, there's more TV. Most of the written word journalists are
[03:49.440 -> 03:53.800] my favorite kind of bottom feeders who are not there at all. So there are
[03:53.800 -> 03:59.780] actually a very limited number of written journalists working in F1 in the
[03:59.780 -> 04:04.600] palette these days. It's actually much harder to find reliable news sources now
[04:04.600 -> 04:09.200] because on social media there's so many of what you call bottom feeders and it seems
[04:09.200 -> 04:13.800] like what they do is they scour German and Italian press for a rumor, get a
[04:13.800 -> 04:18.400] quote, frame it as breaking news and those things go viral unfortunately. I
[04:18.400 -> 04:22.520] think the word you're looking for which I use all the time is extrapolation.
[04:22.520 -> 04:27.680] They watch the telly and And they as you mentioned, they look around the
[04:27.680 -> 04:30.400] world for news using Google Translate, they don't fully
[04:30.400 -> 04:33.160] understand what they're doing. And then they put their own spin
[04:33.160 -> 04:36.800] on it. And exactly that they put an exclusive, you know, exciting,
[04:36.800 -> 04:40.720] sensational headline on it, and that's it. And they live off the
[04:41.080 -> 04:44.720] things, but they have no clue what's going on. So, you know,
[04:44.720 -> 04:47.940] at the end of the day, it's just clutter for everyone to get through.
[04:47.940 -> 04:53.160] It's not, it is a problem for the, for the proper reporters because it gets in the way,
[04:53.160 -> 04:56.160] but it's not really because at the end of the day, we've got the good stuff.
[04:56.200 -> 04:56.940] They nick it.
[04:57.360 -> 05:00.640] Um, well, they don't think much of mine cause I've scared a lot of them away by
[05:01.380 -> 05:05.440] occasionally making up stories and they will copy it and I go, ha ha, made it up.
[05:06.560 -> 05:10.400] Well, that's not a good advert for your, you'll tell us if it's made up, right?
[05:11.040 -> 05:15.200] Well, I was going to say it's once a week, you know, I only did it, the last time I did it was
[05:15.200 -> 05:19.600] years ago. And what you do is you change a number or something like that in a story.
[05:19.600 -> 05:23.840] So that if they quote it, you know, you can say, well, where did you get the number from?
[05:24.400 -> 05:29.040] And they went, ah, my sources told me, well no they didn't, because I made that number up.
[05:29.320 -> 05:29.840] Oh, I see.
[05:29.840 -> 05:34.280] Like not like a wholesale, like Toto Wolf likes to eat dolphin meat.
[05:34.280 -> 05:35.080] You don't just do that.
[05:35.080 -> 05:37.920] But you just do a little detail that they're going to use.
[05:37.960 -> 05:42.400] And then as a result of that, they don't, they don't tend to go near me because
[05:42.400 -> 05:44.400] they're a bit frightened that I might bite their fingers.
[05:50.400 -> 05:54.880] Well, yeah. that they don't they don't tend to go near me because they're a bit frightened that I might bite their fingers. Well yeah you know they still they still they still do it but they tend to sort of quote me nowadays so that I'm the one who gets in trouble if it's wrong. And that's why we have
[05:54.880 -> 06:02.880] your Uncle Joe a superstar of F1 journalism worthy of a fantastic and exciting intro with fireworks
[06:02.880 -> 06:05.480] and everything and jet flyovers and Mike in
[06:05.480 -> 06:10.360] our live chat would like to know did you enjoy the Miami Grand Prix driver
[06:10.360 -> 06:15.560] introductions and associated razzmatazz? Well to be honest I didn't see them
[06:15.560 -> 06:20.320] because they all took place in front of the grid and so the whole grid was
[06:20.320 -> 06:27.120] behind this big wall and all I could hear was some droning rapper, I think he was,
[06:27.120 -> 06:28.840] droning on and on and on, which wasn't awfully exciting.
[06:28.840 -> 06:31.800] That was LL Cool J, Joe. Come on.
[06:31.800 -> 06:37.040] I don't care who he was, but he was just droning on and on and nobody's paying much attention
[06:37.040 -> 06:42.600] and the drivers didn't seem very excited. And I don't get it, but if that's what the
[06:42.600 -> 06:49.440] Americans want, that's what the Americans can have. It's probably better than the last time when we had the very strange man in Texas going,
[06:49.440 -> 06:54.400] and here he is, ladies and gentlemen, the most incredible guy from Boston, Illinois.
[06:55.200 -> 06:59.200] This kind of rubbish. But if that's what they want, fair enough, I don't care. At the end of
[06:59.200 -> 07:03.120] the day, it doesn't really matter what happens off track, it matters what happens on track.
[07:03.240 -> 07:09.880] matter what happens off track, it matters what happens on track. So, you know, you can have dancing girls and fireworks, sorry, dancing people and fireworks.
[07:09.880 -> 07:11.600] Well done Joe, honestly.
[07:11.600 -> 07:16.120] But, well, they had dancing girls in Texas, which I didn't really understand, but I suppose,
[07:16.120 -> 07:17.520] not Texas, what's it called, Miami.
[07:18.040 -> 07:19.080] But I don't know.
[07:19.120 -> 07:22.400] Apparently that's acceptable again now in North America.
[07:22.440 -> 07:22.840] I don't know.
[07:22.400 -> 07:22.440] will again now in North America.
[07:22.840 -> 07:23.280] I don't know.
[07:29.080 -> 07:29.600] I'm sure at Monaco we'll have a mixture of men, women, children,
[07:30.960 -> 07:31.480] and animals probably.
[07:33.400 -> 07:34.000] Just have beautiful people like the movies.
[07:36.920 -> 07:37.000] Yeah, well Monaco is not as beautiful as you think, you know, it's not
[07:38.640 -> 07:40.320] necessarily full of beautiful people. It might be full of a few plastic people.
[07:41.040 -> 07:44.480] You know, cause a lot of these beautiful people have to use plastic to stay
[07:44.480 -> 07:45.400] beautiful, or at least they
[07:45.400 -> 07:47.200] think they're staying beautiful. But in fact, they're looking
[07:47.200 -> 07:52.240] like nasty versions of themselves. Plastic surgery is
[07:52.240 -> 07:54.760] horrid, don't do it out there. All those people thinking of
[07:54.760 -> 07:57.280] plastic surgery, don't do it. Natural things are better.
[07:57.320 -> 08:00.520] Next time Martin Brundle can't do the gridwalk, you should
[08:00.520 -> 08:03.880] volunteer, I think, to take his place. I think it would be a
[08:03.880 -> 08:08.880] very different vibe. Right, it would be a different vibe. I would go up and say, oh my God, that's horrible
[08:08.880 -> 08:12.560] cosmetic surgery you've got there. You know, that kind of thing. I'd be in the papers.
[08:13.200 -> 08:18.000] You could do what you want as long as what happens on the track is good and that's what's important.
[08:18.000 -> 08:22.400] It hasn't been great what's on track at the moment. We're looking at Imola.
[08:22.400 -> 08:27.200] Well, that's a matter of opinion, isn't it? Because I would dispute that in as well.
[08:27.200 -> 08:27.440] Okay.
[08:27.440 -> 08:28.280] Baku was dull.
[08:28.320 -> 08:33.280] I accept it happens occasionally that you get a dull race, not usually in Baku.
[08:33.280 -> 08:33.760] Weirdly.
[08:34.280 -> 08:37.880] I don't think Miami was dull, but I fully understand why people who watch
[08:37.880 -> 08:40.480] it on telly don't see the full race.
[08:40.720 -> 08:44.400] They only see the bit that telly wants to show you, which is what going to the
[08:44.400 -> 08:45.960] races and being a spectator and
[08:45.960 -> 08:48.720] particularly what I do, which is lap charting, there's always
[08:48.720 -> 08:51.760] something exciting. And there's a lot more things happening than
[08:51.760 -> 08:55.200] you actually think because the TV only shows you one particular
[08:55.480 -> 08:59.720] section of it. So, you know, I can see why it would get dull.
[08:59.800 -> 09:03.480] And, but I know I don't feel I don't feel races are that dull
[09:03.480 -> 09:10.080] at all. So I know know after every supposed dull race, there's always a period of when nobody's got
[09:10.080 -> 09:14.000] anything to say, so they have a quick post-mortem about, oh, we need more overtaking, the usual
[09:14.000 -> 09:15.920] routine.
[09:15.920 -> 09:18.720] Everything is based on what happened yesterday.
[09:18.720 -> 09:23.400] So next week, if we have a great race, the whole overtaking issue will be forgotten.
[09:23.400 -> 09:27.600] Then we'll go to Monaco and everyone will go, we'll never get any overtaking in Monaco. It is rubbish Monaco though isn't it
[09:27.600 -> 09:32.960] Joe? Come on you could have been that. No it's not it's not rubbish. Monaco is what it is. It is a
[09:32.960 -> 09:38.240] fantastic event. You have to go and see these raving lunatics driving their very fast cars
[09:38.240 -> 09:44.000] through tiny little streets and it is like riding a bicycle around an apartment or threading the
[09:44.000 -> 09:49.280] needle through all the every cliche you've ever heard is true because it's start raving bonkers.
[09:49.280 -> 09:52.560] But, okay, do you want them to overtake as well?
[09:52.560 -> 09:54.340] No, can't have that.
[09:54.340 -> 09:58.280] So qualifying is really exciting and the race is generally done unless it rains, but you
[09:58.280 -> 10:02.120] know, it's Monaco and Monaco is part of Formula One.
[10:02.120 -> 10:09.360] It's the way it is. You know, it's a bit, if you, if you turn it around the other way, you can, you can
[10:09.360 -> 10:13.920] have any number of overtakes in a NASCAR race, but when all is said and done, you
[10:13.920 -> 10:16.800] know, they'll, they'll throw a yellow at the right moment so they can have a rush
[10:16.800 -> 10:21.720] to the finish and it's all fake, you know, as well as I do, it's fake, but it is the
[10:21.720 -> 10:22.320] way it is.
[10:22.340 -> 10:23.120] We don't do that.
[10:23.680 -> 10:24.720] Not often anyway.
[10:24.720 -> 10:30.800] Yeah. red flags. I'm curious to see next time that there's an incident in the last few laps,
[10:30.800 -> 10:35.520] I'm really, really curious to see whether they are pushing this red flag,
[10:35.520 -> 10:39.360] two lap sprint race concept over finishing under a safety car.
[10:40.080 -> 10:44.080] Of course they are, because all the teams, as we've been over this before, I'm sure,
[10:44.080 -> 10:47.520] all the teams don't want to finish under yellow flags, which is quite correct.
[10:48.120 -> 10:48.920] I agree with that.
[10:49.040 -> 10:53.120] But, you know, I also believe that we shouldn't have red flags unless we need,
[10:53.880 -> 10:57.480] because if you have too many red flags, you end up with Australia's, which was,
[10:57.480 -> 10:59.760] which was rather ruined by all those red flags.
[10:59.760 -> 11:04.840] So, you know, somewhere along the line, there has to be, there's also, you've
[11:04.840 -> 11:05.180] got to bear
[11:05.180 -> 11:11.400] in mind as well that we had the incidents in Suzuka last year, where the race control
[11:11.400 -> 11:15.320] got a bit frightened by stuff happening on the track.
[11:15.320 -> 11:18.800] And so they tend to throw a red flag at every opportunity at the moment because they're
[11:18.800 -> 11:21.400] not very relaxed about it.
[11:21.400 -> 11:23.680] Because it was, that was downright dangerous.
[11:23.680 -> 11:28.640] I'm not saying it was race control's fault that there was a truck driving around in the
[11:28.640 -> 11:31.360] rain, but it did have an impact on their thinking.
[11:31.360 -> 11:34.720] So this year we've just seen a lot of red flags and I think they need to relax a bit.
[11:34.960 -> 11:40.840] And this is one of the things that when you have new people in new jobs or new people
[11:40.840 -> 11:46.720] in jobs and other people who are new looking in and deciding what's
[11:46.720 -> 11:49.360] right and what's wrong, they tend to be a bit cautious.
[11:49.480 -> 11:53.280] Whereas Charlie Whiting had been around forever and was, you know, was
[11:53.280 -> 11:55.560] willing to let things run.
[11:56.160 -> 12:00.000] Um, and also that made for a better show because he understood a
[12:00.000 -> 12:00.960] little bit more about things.
[12:00.960 -> 12:03.760] Now, at the moment, we're just going through this red flag phase, which is
[12:03.760 -> 12:05.920] very tiresome I have to say.
[12:05.920 -> 12:09.920] Particularly in practice and qualifying, when every single time anybody goes off, even if
[12:09.920 -> 12:12.600] it's not very important, there's a red flag.
[12:12.600 -> 12:19.160] So generally speaking, people, they don't throw red flags for very silly instances,
[12:19.160 -> 12:22.240] as long as the car's moving again.
[12:22.240 -> 12:25.800] But they do have, I think there's too many red flags at the
[12:25.800 -> 12:28.760] moment, but I think it's just a phase we're going through.
[12:28.760 -> 12:33.740] Before we go to some listener questions, just one on overcautious race control. Obviously
[12:33.740 -> 12:38.840] looking at the weather forecast for Imola, it's showing up on BBC at the moment as a
[12:38.840 -> 12:45.040] 60% chance of rain, thundery showers. And so what we've noticed though in previous years
[12:45.040 -> 12:48.720] is instead of going oh yay there's going to be you know some action in the wet
[12:49.280 -> 12:54.080] it's tended to be things like Spa and Monaco a couple of years ago where they seem increasingly
[12:54.080 -> 12:59.680] reluctant to get going and it seems like they won't start a race on full wets. Well there's a
[12:59.680 -> 13:05.600] reason for that and it's got nothing to do with tyres It's to do with aquaplaning. There's a certain
[13:05.600 -> 13:10.560] level of rain that is reached. And when you reach that level of rain, the cars just go out of
[13:10.560 -> 13:15.760] control. It's just the way they are. And it's to do with the height they run above the ground,
[13:15.760 -> 13:21.120] etc, etc, etc. So, aquaplaning, you just, you know, you can't really afford to have that because
[13:21.120 -> 13:24.960] people just go flying off everywhere, because racing drivers being lunatics.
[13:24.960 -> 13:25.100] You can't really afford to have that because people just go flying off everywhere because racing drivers being lunatics.
[13:25.260 -> 13:26.040] You can't tell them.
[13:26.180 -> 13:27.680] Just don't lift off.
[13:28.160 -> 13:32.340] You know, they just drive on until the world says, oh wait, there's a law called physics
[13:32.340 -> 13:38.600] and bang, you know, which is why they're racing drivers probably because otherwise, if you
[13:38.600 -> 13:40.920] had cautious folk, it wouldn't be very interesting to watch, would they?
[13:41.100 -> 13:46.040] So generally speaking, the inability to go racing is not
[13:46.040 -> 13:46.720] about tyres.
[13:47.600 -> 13:51.360] As we saw in Suzuka when they restarted there, after all the
[13:51.360 -> 13:55.320] incidents, it was extremely wet and they were still going for
[13:55.320 -> 13:58.000] it. And this is when you saw the drivers at their best.
[13:58.040 -> 14:01.960] So, it's just to do with aquaplaning, that's all.
[14:02.320 -> 14:08.280] And it's a call that the race director will generally make based on
[14:08.280 -> 14:09.560] what he hears from the drivers as well.
[14:09.560 -> 14:10.800] There's feedback all the time.
[14:11.240 -> 14:17.120] So, you know, they are, are they more cautious the racing drivers of today?
[14:18.680 -> 14:20.040] Probably a little bit.
[14:20.600 -> 14:23.400] In keeping with the rest of the world, you know, nobody can allow, no one's
[14:23.400 -> 14:26.320] allowed to voluntarily hurt themselves anymore, you know, nobody can allow, no one's allowed to voluntarily hurt themselves anymore.
[14:26.320 -> 14:29.920] You know, you're not allowed to be a loony.
[14:29.920 -> 14:32.960] I think they do probably need a little bit of protecting from themselves.
[14:32.960 -> 14:37.120] And like we've noticed a trend with race control, where if things that used to just be double
[14:37.120 -> 14:41.960] waved yellows, now I guess because they're really after every second, we get this kind
[14:41.960 -> 14:46.240] of pattern where it's double waved yellows, safety car red, and it seems to really happen
[14:46.240 -> 14:48.560] in that kind of order now where they're like, okay, give
[14:48.560 -> 14:50.880] ourselves just enough time to assess the situation and then
[14:50.880 -> 14:53.920] that's also that's also based exactly on what you just said.
[14:53.920 -> 14:57.440] It's based on reports coming in. So if somebody's hit the
[14:57.440 -> 15:00.240] barrier and the barrier is needing repair, that's a red
[15:00.240 -> 15:04.480] flag. If there is like Alexander Albarn in Australia,
[15:04.480 -> 15:06.480] there was such a lot of junk on the
[15:06.480 -> 15:12.320] track after he'd gone off, sand, stones, whatever. That was too much for a few brushes. So that was
[15:12.320 -> 15:17.920] beyond a safety car. Hence we had the red flag, which allowed a machine to come around with
[15:17.920 -> 15:24.080] rotating bushes, brushes, whatever they're called, and sweep everything up. So, you know, that's
[15:24.080 -> 15:26.780] probably more efficient than trying to get a bunch of
[15:26.780 -> 15:30.020] guys doing it with a safety car going around, because every time the safety
[15:30.020 -> 15:34.220] car gets within 500 metres, you know, coming towards them, they have to rush off
[15:34.220 -> 15:34.660] the track.
[15:35.560 -> 15:39.480] So in the end, it was probably quicker to have a safety car and restart.
[15:40.020 -> 15:44.320] Teams are not particularly keen on having restarts, particularly standing ones,
[15:44.320 -> 15:47.580] because, you know, those are moments of higher risk for everybody.
[15:48.140 -> 15:48.780] It's not madness.
[15:48.780 -> 15:51.840] It's just a way of doing it, but it's better than rolling starts,
[15:52.680 -> 15:54.780] which basically achieve nothing at all.
[15:54.980 -> 15:59.240] So, you know, because a rolling start, nobody, rarely does anybody actually
[15:59.980 -> 16:05.540] go into a rolling start and positions change unless you have a little bit of DRS. Oh, you're not allowed DRS with a rolling start, um, and positions change, unless you have a
[16:05.540 -> 16:09.180] little bit of DRS, oh, you're not allowed DRS with the safety car, right?
[16:09.180 -> 16:09.420] So.
[16:09.700 -> 16:11.000] Well, you can have a bit of chaos.
[16:11.000 -> 16:15.140] If you remember when Bottas realized he was going to get out dragged somewhere.
[16:15.280 -> 16:17.860] I can't remember where, I think it might've been Hongaroring, but he
[16:17.860 -> 16:20.340] realized he was going to get out dragged if he went out of the last corner.
[16:20.480 -> 16:24.900] So he slowed down all the way to the start finish line and the cars behind
[16:24.900 -> 16:25.060] just didn't realize, and there was about four or five cars hit each other, you know, quite slowly underneath the safety car. corner, so he slowed down all the way to the start finish line and the cars behind just
[16:25.060 -> 16:28.460] didn't realize and there was about four or five cars hit each other, you know, quite
[16:28.460 -> 16:30.140] slowly underneath the safety car.
[16:30.140 -> 16:33.180] We saw something like that going on and they didn't hit each other so much.
[16:33.180 -> 16:39.980] We saw that going on in Melbourne at one point and we saw a very slow restart in Baku, I
[16:39.980 -> 16:41.300] think.
[16:41.300 -> 16:45.120] Maybe it was in the Formula 2 race, but there was certainly one where, I mean,
[16:45.120 -> 16:46.520] they literally crawled to the line.
[16:47.080 -> 16:50.680] And then, because again, if you're the fast, if you're the front guy and you've got that
[16:50.680 -> 16:56.440] much ability to slip stream, you're going to lose.
[16:56.920 -> 17:03.800] It's a bit like the old days, slip streaming at Reims or Monza, where you didn't want to
[17:03.800 -> 17:06.760] be first going into the last corner because you would not win the race.
[17:07.340 -> 17:08.360] So they'd all hang back.
[17:08.360 -> 17:12.900] You'd have these piles of cars at the last corner waiting for somebody to go for it.
[17:13.020 -> 17:16.100] And everyone else would immediately leap behind them and out and drag them to the
[17:16.100 -> 17:16.380] line.
[17:16.620 -> 17:20.540] So it's just, you know, people complain about DRS, but it's not very
[17:20.540 -> 17:21.780] different to a flip streaming.
[17:22.180 -> 17:25.800] It's just the physics is man-made
[17:25.800 -> 17:28.080] as opposed to physics being physics.
[17:28.080 -> 17:30.200] A defender of DRS.
[17:30.200 -> 17:32.120] I'm not defending DRS, I'm just saying
[17:32.120 -> 17:35.400] it's not the great evil that people make it out to be.
[17:35.400 -> 17:39.520] It's a very clever solution to create slip streaming
[17:39.520 -> 17:40.680] when there isn't slip streaming.
[17:40.680 -> 17:42.040] There's nothing wrong with that.
[17:42.040 -> 17:44.600] Maybe it's a, I think if people framed it
[17:44.600 -> 17:45.600] how you framed it, because I don't think many people talk about it in those terms of slip streaming. There's nothing wrong with that. Maybe it's a, I think if people framed it, how you framed it,
[17:45.600 -> 17:48.220] because I don't think many people talk about it in those terms of slip
[17:48.220 -> 17:51.480] streaming happens anyway, DRS exaggerates that, what would they
[17:51.480 -> 17:52.080] should call it?
[17:52.080 -> 17:52.720] The slip streaming.
[17:52.720 -> 17:54.120] I don't think it exaggerates it.
[17:54.140 -> 17:58.040] What it does is it creates it when it's not necessarily there.
[17:58.600 -> 18:01.840] Because you've got the aero disruption that used to be the problem.
[18:01.920 -> 18:05.520] That gets rid of a error disruption to some extent.
[18:06.240 -> 18:10.320] So I honestly don't see a problem with it. I just think, you know, there've always been
[18:10.320 -> 18:17.200] slipstreaming races and battles and tracks. And all this is, is a way of making that happen
[18:18.880 -> 18:22.720] when it wouldn't normally be able to happen. I don't think it's a bad thing at all.
[18:22.720 -> 18:28.240] So it was around, I was having to Chris Stevens actually this morning and I said everything that
[18:28.240 -> 18:33.680] everyone complains about in Formula One is to do with aero, so you know the dirty air,
[18:33.680 -> 18:39.360] having to use DRS, not being able to follow and the only advantage is lap time. And then
[18:39.360 -> 18:43.840] a disadvantage of more aero is the tracks are effectively, you know, the corners are
[18:43.840 -> 18:48.960] straightened out, everything becomes quote-unquote easier, less opportunities for, you know, long braking zones
[18:48.960 -> 18:53.120] to overtake. All of this would be solved by like just ripping off the front and back wings,
[18:53.120 -> 18:57.520] but it's never going to happen. But all the things people complain about are because of these big
[18:57.520 -> 19:03.280] front wings and big rear wings. I mean, it's just a bit of, it's science, really. At the end of the
[19:03.280 -> 19:07.840] day, it's the fault of science. You can't blame aerodynamicists.
[19:08.440 -> 19:11.680] The other night by accident, actually, because there was something really, oh,
[19:11.680 -> 19:14.720] that's right, the Eurovision song contest was on and it was so awful.
[19:14.720 -> 19:15.200] So good.
[19:15.200 -> 19:16.000] It was so good.
[19:16.560 -> 19:22.040] It was so awful that I changed channels and I, and I chanced upon the IndyCar race
[19:23.040 -> 19:26.080] from Indianapolis Motor Speedway and it was
[19:26.080 -> 19:31.000] duller than toast I've got to tell you they've got push-to-pass buttons now I'm
[19:31.000 -> 19:36.400] not a big fan of push-to-pass buttons because what's the point people say it's
[19:36.400 -> 19:41.160] the same as slipstreaming da di da di da yeah maybe it is but you know somebody
[19:41.160 -> 19:43.920] goes past one lap the other bloke goes past the other lap and if you don't have
[19:43.920 -> 19:47.080] enough bits and bobs you can't do it the next time around.
[19:47.320 -> 19:49.240] But it was really not very interesting.
[19:49.240 -> 19:53.120] And they had so many pit stops because their cars won't go very far on
[19:53.120 -> 19:55.120] all that sort of fuel they have to burn.
[19:55.680 -> 19:57.560] And they have to change the tyres all the time.
[19:57.560 -> 19:59.400] And I just got bored watching it.
[19:59.400 -> 20:01.720] And I'm thinking I should be getting excited because everyone gets
[20:01.720 -> 20:03.560] excited about IndyCar racing and I'm not.
[20:04.080 -> 20:09.040] And it was not, it's not necessarily their fault. I mean, it's a one make championship,
[20:10.000 -> 20:14.800] two manufacturers with some different aero. But at the end of the day, you know, they kind of
[20:14.800 -> 20:18.400] finished where they started, if you like, except if they made bad mistakes and
[20:19.360 -> 20:25.620] wasn't that good, to be honest. So I'd much rather have Formula Formula One because at least it kind of feels less
[20:25.620 -> 20:27.180] artificial if you like.
[20:27.180 -> 20:31.980] Maybe that was just because it was Indianapolis Motor Speedway road course.
[20:31.980 -> 20:32.980] I don't know.
[20:32.980 -> 20:33.980] I'd probably upset a load of people now.
[20:33.980 -> 20:37.100] So yeah, email joe at internet.com.
[20:37.100 -> 20:39.340] Now he's at Joe Sayward on Twitter.
[20:39.340 -> 20:42.060] I'm assuming you don't have your DMs open on Twitter.
[20:42.060 -> 20:43.940] That would be a disaster for you, wouldn't it?
[20:43.940 -> 20:44.940] I think I do actually.
[20:44.940 -> 20:47.520] Yeah. I wouldn't I wouldn't know how to turn them off to be honest.
[20:47.520 -> 20:50.800] I get messages occasionally so I must have them turned on mustn't I?
[20:50.800 -> 20:57.200] Go spam Joe, at Joe Sayward on Twitter and for the record Finland were robbed.
[20:57.200 -> 20:59.120] That was a jury stitch up.
[20:59.120 -> 21:01.520] What was Raltry Botter singing or something?
[21:01.520 -> 21:03.600] Eurovision. On to listener questions.
[21:03.600 -> 21:08.080] Oh he would have been representing Australia these days, wouldn't he, with his mullet.
[21:08.080 -> 21:11.520] And what is Australia doing in the Eurovision? Never mind, never mind.
[21:11.520 -> 21:15.480] Let's go to the listener questions, because Eurovision, that could be a whole new podcast.
[21:15.480 -> 21:21.160] OK, this is a nice personal one from Adam S., who just asks,
[21:21.160 -> 21:25.680] Joe, what track do you enjoy working at the most and which one do you enjoy working
[21:25.680 -> 21:27.720] at the least? It's a nice question.
[21:27.720 -> 21:34.000] Oh, that's actually a very good question. The least favourite is possibly Monaco because
[21:34.000 -> 21:35.000] it's just difficult.
[21:35.000 -> 21:36.000] See, told you.
[21:36.000 -> 21:41.360] Yeah, it's difficult, the marshals are... Can I use the word... No, I'd better not.
[21:41.360 -> 21:44.840] Anyway, the word that begins with D and ends in head...
[21:44.840 -> 21:46.320] We say turnips around here, Joe.
[21:46.320 -> 21:51.600] Oh, turnips do they? Well, the Marshalls are turnips, and they've got this arrogant complex
[21:51.600 -> 21:57.840] that the Automobile Club of Monaco has about how they know how to run races nobody else in the
[21:57.840 -> 22:03.680] world does, which is utterly absurd as they obviously haven't been around the world enough
[22:03.680 -> 22:05.200] to see that they are
[22:08.640 -> 22:15.200] ancient history these days and the way they organize things. I think Formula One is beginning to kick them into some kind of shape at the moment so that they learn that they're not
[22:15.200 -> 22:20.000] the world's greatest motor race. But it's still, they've still got a long way to go.
[22:21.200 -> 22:27.280] In terms of my favorite ones, um, um, um, um, what's my favourite one?
[22:27.280 -> 22:32.000] I don't know, there's lots of nice easy ones that I enjoy doing.
[22:32.000 -> 22:36.720] Um, basically anywhere, anywhere that's got easy access to the paddock.
[22:36.720 -> 22:40.200] If they put you in a tent on the wrong side of the racetrack, oh, hang on a minute.
[22:40.200 -> 22:42.080] That's what we're going to do in Imola next week.
[22:42.080 -> 22:48.320] Um, given that also Muddy Car Park after last year after last year's sort of Passchendaele version.
[22:48.720 -> 22:54.480] Um, but anywhere that it's, the access is difficult or where things are split up.
[22:54.480 -> 22:55.120] I hate that.
[22:55.840 -> 23:00.920] Where you have, you have, uh, teams in, spread into two or three different places.
[23:00.920 -> 23:02.720] So you can never find the people you're looking for.
[23:02.720 -> 23:03.320] That's annoying.
[23:03.880 -> 23:07.520] Um, but otherwise it's just wandering to the paddock, have a nice time.
[23:08.080 -> 23:14.080] It's nice to see racetracks. Some of the circuits have got this mad belief that journalists don't
[23:14.080 -> 23:19.760] need to see what's happening on the racetrack. So what's the point of us being there at all is my
[23:19.760 -> 23:26.000] response to that. Obviously to talk to people, but it always helps to be able to see the racetrack
[23:26.000 -> 23:29.000] because you can be amazed by, look at those cars, they go jolly fast, don't they?
[23:30.000 -> 23:31.000] Yeah.
[23:31.000 -> 23:35.000] That one has just crashed into the front of the Maserati building or whatever it is.
[23:36.000 -> 23:39.000] Is it Bugatti they put at the final corner in Monaco this year?
[23:39.000 -> 23:44.000] There's a new thing, when you go to Rascasse, you'll see a great big new Bugatti building there.
[23:44.000 -> 23:47.920] It'll look very flash compared to the old ship chandlers that used to be there.
[23:47.920 -> 23:51.280] Well I won't because I'll be in a shed as usual Joe, sorry.
[23:52.720 -> 23:55.840] You can watch from TV you know there's that black box thing.
[23:56.800 -> 24:00.240] Well there we go I didn't thank you Adam that's a great question I did not expect
[24:00.240 -> 24:03.120] that that would lead to Joe agreeing with me that Monaco's rubbish.
[24:03.120 -> 24:05.280] Finally after all these years.
[24:05.280 -> 24:09.380] Jared asks, what's wrong with McLaren this year, Uncle Joe?
[24:09.380 -> 24:13.040] If you were CEO of McLaren, what would you do to fix it?
[24:13.040 -> 24:18.400] If I were CEO of McLaren, I would probably load a pistol.
[24:18.400 -> 24:22.680] That's a little kind, isn't it?
[24:22.680 -> 24:23.680] A little.
[24:23.680 -> 24:24.680] Joe, add into that.
[24:24.680 -> 24:25.280] What would I do?
[24:25.280 -> 24:26.160] What would I do?
[24:26.160 -> 24:30.640] Well, first thing I do is I change the technical staff a little bit, because
[24:30.680 -> 24:32.240] obviously there's a problem with the car.
[24:32.240 -> 24:33.240] It's not as good as the others.
[24:34.120 -> 24:36.160] And they should have done that already.
[24:37.280 -> 24:41.240] But it's very hard to get new people and it's very hard to get new people in a
[24:41.240 -> 24:46.000] hurry, and it's very hard to get new people if your team is not showing much
[24:46.000 -> 24:52.400] in the way of potential. So this is one of the problems. It's one of the problems that a lot of
[24:52.400 -> 24:56.240] teams have. Ferrari has the same problem. Who the hell wants to go to Italy and walk into a
[24:58.240 -> 25:02.000] crossfire, which is what's going on at the moment. So they're struggling to find people.
[25:02.960 -> 25:05.460] And if you want the best people, you've got to have the
[25:05.460 -> 25:10.980] best environment for which them for in which they can work. And
[25:11.100 -> 25:14.300] that's a problem. So I mean, Woking is very nice and the
[25:14.300 -> 25:19.100] quality of the stuff they've got down there is good. But it does
[25:19.100 -> 25:23.020] seem to be a little bit, what's the word I'm looking for?
[25:24.060 -> 25:28.080] Disjointed at the moment, I think it needs a bit of parity
[25:28.080 -> 25:34.960] as to, I mean, I quite like the look of Stella. I don't know him very well. But you know,
[25:34.960 -> 25:38.920] he seems to be getting the hang of some of the things that need to be done. But of course,
[25:38.920 -> 25:42.360] it just takes time. And that's, you know, this is the same thing. I'm sure we'll get
[25:42.360 -> 25:46.480] around to Alpine at some point. It's the same thing at Alpine, you know, you've just got to have time.
[25:47.140 -> 25:50.360] And if you're the boss or the CEO of Alpine, Mr.
[25:50.600 -> 25:53.720] Lauren Rossi has arrived thinking that things will change overnight
[25:53.720 -> 25:54.880] if he shouts at people.
[25:55.680 -> 26:00.400] That's possibly not the right approach, but you know, maybe it'll work.
[26:00.680 -> 26:07.800] Can I ask here, Lauren Rossi, he was originally, wasn't he sort of in line to do the team principal
[26:07.800 -> 26:09.840] job at some point?
[26:09.840 -> 26:10.840] And then...
[26:10.840 -> 26:11.840] No, not really.
[26:11.840 -> 26:13.520] Or did he want to do it?
[26:13.520 -> 26:18.760] No, he's the CEO, he's got far too many things to worry about to be a full-time team principal,
[26:18.760 -> 26:21.240] which is why he hired Otmar.
[26:21.240 -> 26:27.160] And now Otmar hasn't achieved the start to the season that they want to see.
[26:27.800 -> 26:32.060] And so he's, he's basically telling Otmar that the team's rubbish, which is
[26:32.420 -> 26:34.200] not necessarily the right way to do it.
[26:34.740 -> 26:38.520] But you know, who am I to lecture the CEO of Alpine who has
[26:38.520 -> 26:39.460] other things to worry about?
[26:39.460 -> 26:43.820] He's, he's got a bit of a challenge on his hands.
[26:43.820 -> 26:48.120] I don't know if you know the Alpine plan.
[26:48.680 -> 26:51.240] They produce three and a half thousand cars a year.
[26:51.600 -> 26:56.440] And the project is to produce 150,000 cars a year by 2030.
[26:57.080 -> 26:58.760] So he's got a lot of work to do.
[26:58.960 -> 27:02.080] He's also got to find people to buy all these cars that he's going to produce.
[27:02.880 -> 27:05.220] Personally, I think it's madness.
[27:05.500 -> 27:10.400] Um, but, you know, they've done a very good deal now with, uh, AutoNation in
[27:10.400 -> 27:14.780] America, which is a secondhand car dealership with 300 outlets and they
[27:14.780 -> 27:16.380] will basically sell Alpines.
[27:16.380 -> 27:19.460] So he doesn't need to be in league with another manufacturer, open a whole
[27:19.460 -> 27:22.080] bunch of dealerships because he's got AutoNation going to do it for him.
[27:22.300 -> 27:23.660] I was just looking, I've never seen him.
[27:23.660 -> 27:24.580] He's a clever guy.
[27:24.780 -> 27:24.980] Yeah.
[27:25.040 -> 27:25.280] Very clever guy. Yeah.
[27:28.500 -> 27:29.620] Very clever guy, but he doesn't necessarily know the intricate ways of running things in Formula One.
[27:29.960 -> 27:31.360] It was nice and public though, isn't it?
[27:31.360 -> 27:34.400] That's always a bit of a red flag, you know, real public dressing down.
[27:34.960 -> 27:35.240] Yeah.
[27:35.240 -> 27:40.220] But it's a bit like, it's a bit like, um, me wandering into, uh, I don't
[27:40.220 -> 27:42.600] know, an automobile show and saying, well, you're not doing that, right?
[27:42.600 -> 27:43.000] Are you?
[27:43.560 -> 27:45.880] You know, I have absolutely no qualification to do that.
[27:46.240 -> 27:50.680] Um, I could do it if I wanted to, I could write about, I went to this car show and
[27:50.680 -> 27:52.480] all the cars were lined up wrongly.
[27:52.480 -> 27:53.320] It doesn't make any sense.
[27:53.320 -> 27:55.040] And what are these half naked ladies saying?
[27:55.040 -> 27:56.020] We don't do them anymore.
[27:56.020 -> 27:56.360] Do we?
[27:56.980 -> 27:58.720] You know, things like that.
[27:59.160 -> 28:06.080] It is, you know, it's best to do what you're good at. And to try and do things you're not good at,
[28:06.080 -> 28:07.720] but think you might be good at,
[28:07.720 -> 28:10.400] is not necessarily a good idea.
[28:10.400 -> 28:12.680] I used to have an editorial policy on this podcast.
[28:12.680 -> 28:13.640] I just thought I'd give up.
[28:13.640 -> 28:15.320] Between you and Christian Pedersen,
[28:15.320 -> 28:17.120] there's no point, it's just too much work.
[28:17.120 -> 28:19.760] Right, let's move on.
[28:19.760 -> 28:21.160] Let's move on a little bit,
[28:21.160 -> 28:24.040] because I got distracted there looking up Alpine road cars,
[28:24.040 -> 28:25.240] because I don't think I've ever seen one.
[28:25.240 -> 28:26.640] They look a bit weird.
[28:26.640 -> 28:29.600] No, they're beautiful, beautiful things, usually in blue.
[28:29.600 -> 28:30.600] Yeah.
[28:30.600 -> 28:33.320] And they look like Alpines from the 1970s.
[28:33.320 -> 28:34.320] I prefer a Porsche.
[28:34.320 -> 28:37.400] And if you want the full details, if you want the full details, they wouldn't exist were
[28:37.400 -> 28:43.520] it not for Caterham cars having put some money up to convince Renault to go in league and
[28:43.520 -> 28:49.200] then Caterham pulled out and so Renault kept the project. Fascinating. Well, there you go. Check out a Renault. Or
[28:49.200 -> 28:55.360] would you prefer a Porsche? As Stuart Neil asks, have Porsche just given up on F1 now?
[28:55.920 -> 28:57.360] Yes. Oh, there you go.
[28:58.800 -> 29:05.120] They might do something in the background with somebody, but I doubt it because they haven't got the wherewithal
[29:05.120 -> 29:10.960] to do it at the moment. And they're behind the game because Audi got there first, even if they
[29:10.960 -> 29:16.400] aren't the sister company. There's a weird relationship between Audi and Porsche that
[29:16.400 -> 29:20.240] nobody can really understand. They're supposed to be sister brands, but they hate each other
[29:20.240 -> 29:26.720] with a passion and would kill one another easily enough. So no, it doesn't look like that's going to be the case.
[29:26.920 -> 29:31.600] Having said that, you know, if somebody came to them with a pile of money and
[29:31.600 -> 29:35.320] they had time to do it, they might do something, but they're a little bit
[29:35.320 -> 29:37.680] behind the game now because they haven't got the time.
[29:38.240 -> 29:42.240] And they were just looking to sort of take over and co-opt an existing entity,
[29:42.240 -> 29:42.560] weren't they?
[29:43.040 -> 29:47.340] No one's seriously thinking about starting an F1 team from scratch anymore.
[29:47.580 -> 29:49.580] What do you mean? Like would someone come in and go...
[29:50.080 -> 29:56.000] Manufacturer wise. Yeah, someone's gonna come in and go right I'm gonna build my factory. Cadillacs by the look of it with Andretti obviously.
[29:56.860 -> 29:58.700] You know there's...
[29:58.700 -> 30:06.000] The thing that people in Formula One don't understand about the car world is that car manufacturers have got lots
[30:06.000 -> 30:10.560] more technology than the average Formula One team does. Formula One teams think we've got the best
[30:10.560 -> 30:16.720] this, we've got the best that, but you know, entire car dynamic simulation and things like that,
[30:17.600 -> 30:22.720] Formula One teams, if there are any, it's very rare. Whereas car manufacturers have got loads
[30:22.720 -> 30:27.800] of them and simulation technologies and all the rest of it. They've got
[30:27.800 -> 30:30.680] lots of capability, they've got hundreds of people working in
[30:30.680 -> 30:32.840] battery development, whereas Formula One teams might have
[30:32.840 -> 30:36.920] four or five, you know. So there's a whole lot of stuff
[30:36.920 -> 30:45.440] that can be fed into Formula One from manufacturers. The problem comes when a manufacturer thinks they know how to do Formula One from manufacturers. The problem comes
[30:45.440 -> 30:48.000] when a manufacturer thinks they know how to do Formula One,
[30:48.000 -> 30:51.120] but inevitably, they don't. And they make a mess of it because
[30:51.120 -> 30:56.680] they think they have a sense of superiority because they're big
[30:56.680 -> 30:59.720] companies, and they're very successful usually. But they
[30:59.720 -> 31:02.160] don't know how to do Formula One. And they make they all make
[31:02.160 -> 31:04.240] the same mistakes. And you hear it and you laugh and you go,
[31:04.240 -> 31:06.520] oh, go, I'll just wait for the next one and somebody else will
[31:06.520 -> 31:08.160] come in and do the same thing again.
[31:08.720 -> 31:13.640] Um, thus far I have to say, Cadillac is not making noises like that, but, um,
[31:14.440 -> 31:16.960] I think they will eventually come in with their own engine.
[31:17.000 -> 31:21.080] I think they have to, in order for Andretti to get an entry.
[31:21.680 -> 31:28.080] I wonder if F1 is guilty of that in general, like you said there, of assuming that because
[31:28.080 -> 31:35.760] it's a glamorous sport and the fastest track car in the world around corners and bends,
[31:35.760 -> 31:39.840] that they have the highest skill level of engineering and technology.
[31:39.840 -> 31:46.520] And there's actually a lot of parts of F1 where they're borrowing technology from other fields,
[31:46.520 -> 31:48.560] and actually it's quite a limited pool of people.
[31:48.560 -> 31:55.120] Yes, they're the specialists, but there's not actually that kind of wealth of people
[31:55.120 -> 32:00.120] that know and understand F1 enough to drive it forward and let it catch up with, say,
[32:00.120 -> 32:02.520] things like defence or automotive.
[32:02.520 -> 32:05.320] Well, I'm not sure I agree with that.
[32:05.320 -> 32:11.400] What happens is that they suck in very, very good people from lots of different worlds,
[32:11.400 -> 32:12.600] including defense.
[32:12.600 -> 32:17.640] And they take the ideas often out of aviation and they apply them to cars.
[32:17.640 -> 32:25.680] And so within the very narrow restrictions that there are within Formula One, they are
[32:25.680 -> 32:30.120] the best people probably. But, you know, if you put a Formula
[32:30.120 -> 32:33.240] One person into a big car company and told them to fix a
[32:33.240 -> 32:35.480] problem, they probably wouldn't be the right people to do it.
[32:35.520 -> 32:38.520] But vice versa, if you put a CEO of an automotive company into a
[32:38.520 -> 32:41.680] Formula One situation, they definitely wouldn't know how to
[32:41.680 -> 32:44.880] do it, because we've seen it done too many times. So, you
[32:44.880 -> 32:49.240] know, I don't think you should underestimate what Formula One does and its ability to innovate.
[32:50.120 -> 32:52.120] But I do think that
[32:53.160 -> 32:56.200] that car companies need to be very careful they don't screw up.
[32:56.800 -> 33:02.240] Alright, well, let's stick with with teams for a bit. I didn't think that question would get as much mileage as that. Stuart,
[33:02.240 -> 33:09.780] thank you very much. Always nice to have a glimpse into the relationship that F1 has within the wider engineering, economic
[33:09.780 -> 33:14.840] and political world. It can't be a bubble always. Now, without suggesting that anyone
[33:14.840 -> 33:20.080] do anything bad to themselves, Uncle Joe, the next question is, how is James Vowles
[33:20.080 -> 33:21.080] doing?
[33:21.080 -> 33:22.560] James Vowles is doing very well.
[33:22.560 -> 33:23.560] He seems nice.
[33:23.560 -> 33:27.520] If you look at the, he's a jolly sensible chap. I mean, he's
[33:27.520 -> 33:34.160] perfectly qualified to be a team principal and he seems to be doing all the right things. He's not
[33:34.160 -> 33:42.720] shouting at people. He's not making wild claims. To be fair, Alex Albon and Logan Sargent are doing
[33:42.720 -> 33:45.600] far better than they were expected to do, certainly
[33:45.600 -> 33:46.600] in qualifying.
[33:46.600 -> 33:52.160] You know, we've seen Williams is in Q3 for goodness sake, you know, think about that
[33:52.160 -> 33:53.160] for a minute.
[33:53.160 -> 33:54.160] It's quite remarkable.
[33:54.160 -> 33:56.280] Yeah, you're looking it up, aren't you, to make sure I'm right.
[33:56.280 -> 34:00.520] I was actually, you know, I was actually looking up the quote from James Vowles recently where
[34:00.520 -> 34:05.440] he sort of said that Logan Sargent might need to kind of tighten up a
[34:05.440 -> 34:09.280] little bit. So it shows you that the standards are high because I didn't think Sargent had
[34:09.280 -> 34:13.000] done that badly. He looked really racy on occasion.
[34:13.000 -> 34:20.000] He didn't do a bad job at all this year but he had one bad race in Miami. But that doesn't
[34:20.000 -> 34:24.600] mean you're judging everybody on the last phrase. Everyone's saying Nick DeVries always
[34:24.600 -> 34:25.040] had a couple
[34:25.040 -> 34:28.240] of bad races, therefore he's in the skip and they're going to put Daniel Ricciardo. Daniel
[34:28.240 -> 34:35.200] Ricciardo had a whole season of bad races. Why would they put him back in there? There is this
[34:35.200 -> 34:41.280] tendency and it's driven by the loonies on the web of reacting to everything that happened last
[34:41.280 -> 34:45.040] weekend and then forgetting it five days later. So, you know,
[34:45.600 -> 34:51.200] I don't think we're seeing what we're seeing at Williams is a slow process of identifying the
[34:51.200 -> 34:56.880] people they want and then going out to get them. Now, we will start to see that happening
[34:58.240 -> 35:09.800] in the months ahead. You'd want to be seeing somebody picked to be the new technical director sometime soon.
[35:09.800 -> 35:13.940] But having said that, you know, if you're looking for the right person, not necessarily
[35:13.940 -> 35:19.820] the right person by a certain date, you know, you've got different options available to
[35:19.820 -> 35:20.820] you.
[35:20.820 -> 35:27.560] So it might be best to say, well, actually, we're looking for a technical director who will make sure we're all right in 27.
[35:28.440 -> 35:31.360] Um, as opposed to caring too much about 24.
[35:31.800 -> 35:36.360] So there's, you know, there's lots of elements to it, but it's because they're not going to fix the problem in 24.
[35:37.320 -> 35:40.040] They're not going to make Williams a winner again in 24.
[35:40.080 -> 35:42.040] They might be able to do it from 27 onwards.
[35:42.520 -> 35:45.040] And that's what, that's's the thinking you have to have. And this is
[35:45.040 -> 35:50.480] something that a lot of people don't understand, which is you can't just turn a team around in 10
[35:50.480 -> 35:55.600] minutes. Now, if you're Lawrence Stroll and you have all the money in the world, you can turn it
[35:55.600 -> 36:01.600] around in three years. But he's still not winning, is he? And he's not going to win this year, even
[36:01.600 -> 36:08.560] with Fernando Alonso, certainly there's only one car team, but you know, with Fernando Alonso, who finishes every
[36:08.560 -> 36:12.400] race 30 seconds behind, everyone goes, isn't he fantastic?
[36:12.400 -> 36:14.160] He's finished third 27 times.
[36:14.800 -> 36:18.240] Yeah, he has finished third 27 times, but it's not going to win unless the two Red Bulls
[36:18.240 -> 36:19.760] collide with each other, is he?
[36:19.760 -> 36:23.920] So even then it's not guaranteed because Ferrari might even manage to get a car to the finishing
[36:23.920 -> 36:26.220] line or Mercedes will be there.
[36:26.220 -> 36:28.540] Or perhaps one day Alpine will be in the game too.
[36:28.540 -> 36:32.800] So you know, the fact is that it takes a long time.
[36:32.800 -> 36:36.880] It takes an awful lot of money and it takes a lot of commitment and finding the right
[36:36.880 -> 36:39.360] people and they're all trying to do that.
[36:39.360 -> 36:41.240] And that's the hard bit.
[36:41.240 -> 36:43.520] Well look, people don't know this.
[36:43.520 -> 36:45.040] I know you don't really like to talk about it,
[36:45.040 -> 36:50.560] but you and Lawrence Stroll, you often, you know, you go to a tequila bar in Monaco together.
[36:50.560 -> 36:54.000] It's basically their Friday night thing. I'm not going to pry any further than that, Joe,
[36:54.000 -> 37:00.000] but I know you have the inside scoop. No, I don't. I'm not interested. I am not one
[37:00.000 -> 37:07.600] bit interested in anything that Lawrence Stroll says, to be honest. He's just there, he owns
[37:07.600 -> 37:13.000] the team, it's his money, he's burning, that's his problem. But in terms of would I trust
[37:13.000 -> 37:15.720] anything he said, not really no.
[37:15.720 -> 37:20.720] Yeah, and you have to though, when you've got someone like Lawrence Stroll in there.
[37:20.720 -> 37:24.000] No you don't. You can talk to people around who know what really is going on.
[37:24.000 -> 37:25.000] Oh no, I meant...
[37:25.000 -> 37:30.400] I meant Lawrence Stroll. I don't think he's going to come out there and go, yes, my son,
[37:30.400 -> 37:34.700] he's being shown up by Fernando and we're going to have to do something about that.
[37:34.700 -> 37:39.600] You might find that Fernando's car starts having issues. But how... that was spot on.
[37:39.600 -> 37:44.000] That was better than I expected it was going to be. Not practiced at all. But he, at some
[37:44.000 -> 37:49.520] point... But Fernando is being utterly ridiculous at the moment, which is fine, good for him for trying at
[37:49.520 -> 37:53.920] least, he's being totally obsequious and saying, you know, things like, oh, super overtake there by
[37:54.800 -> 37:58.400] Lance, I saw it on the TV when I was driving around, you know, which makes him look very
[37:58.400 -> 38:02.880] cool because he can watch TV while driving Grand Prix's and it makes Lance sound great.
[38:02.880 -> 38:06.040] And the other day he said Lance is a world champion material.
[38:06.040 -> 38:07.280] Well, really?
[38:07.800 -> 38:10.360] Um, can I have some of what he's been smoking, please?
[38:11.220 -> 38:12.840] You know, it's not true.
[38:13.080 -> 38:15.040] He's saying that because he wants to keep his drive.
[38:15.040 -> 38:17.900] And if he says bad things about his teammate, like my teammate is not good
[38:17.900 -> 38:19.260] enough and it's holding the team back.
[38:19.260 -> 38:22.800] If he says that, Lawrence is not going to be a happy bunny, is he?
[38:23.220 -> 38:29.560] So at the end of the day, Aston Martin Racing is a vanity project,
[38:29.560 -> 38:34.600] isn't it? One way or the other, because I have no idea why they
[38:34.600 -> 38:37.440] took on the Aston Martin road car company, because it's not
[38:37.440 -> 38:42.520] t-shirts, it's not selling fashion. It's a heavy industry,
[38:42.560 -> 38:46.280] and it's going to cost them a fortune. And it's always been an unsuccessful car company.
[38:46.280 -> 38:49.480] And why is it going to change now just because some fashion magnates got hold of it?
[38:49.480 -> 38:50.680] I don't get it.
[38:50.680 -> 38:52.360] And why has he got hold of it?
[38:52.360 -> 38:56.480] So that his son can have a Formula One team because he can't actually get a drive elsewhere.
[38:56.480 -> 38:58.960] Let's be brutally honest about this.
[38:58.960 -> 39:04.000] Even with all the money they've got, he's in year, what is it?
[39:04.000 -> 39:05.760] Six or seven Formula One now.
[39:05.760 -> 39:06.880] Yes, fair bit.
[39:06.880 -> 39:07.920] He's had every chance.
[39:07.920 -> 39:09.040] Everybody else gets two years.
[39:09.040 -> 39:12.560] Even Mick Schumacher got two years and then got slung out because he wasn't good enough.
[39:12.560 -> 39:14.160] But Lance just, well, there.
[39:14.160 -> 39:16.000] So what does that tell you?
[39:16.000 -> 39:18.640] It's a problem because it does hold back a racing team.
[39:19.280 -> 39:19.600] Wow.
[39:19.600 -> 39:20.640] And another thing.
[39:20.640 -> 39:23.040] And another thing, you clouds.
[39:26.480 -> 39:26.680] Why do you taunt me clouds?
[39:30.560 -> 39:34.240] I think like my son, he doesn't, he's not very good at like remembering to drink water, so we have various alarms on his watch, so it'll come up and it'll go water.
[39:34.400 -> 39:39.480] I'm sure Alonzo has one of those like mid race is praise stroll, give stroll
[39:39.480 -> 39:43.840] advice just to, cause it, by, by, by clockwork, he seems to do it once
[39:43.840 -> 39:44.920] or twice during a Grand Prix.
[39:46.240 -> 39:49.920] But then again, just to, because by clockwork, he seems to do it once or twice during a Grand Prix. It's just, it is, I suppose it's a clever way of staying in with the boss,
[39:50.720 -> 39:55.120] but ultimately when push comes to shove and they're going into a corner side by side,
[39:55.120 -> 40:00.880] unlikely though that may be, but Alonso is Alonso, he's deep down an animal and he is
[40:00.880 -> 40:05.000] somebody who wants to win. And is he going to back off for the boss's boy?
[40:05.000 -> 40:06.000] But we'll see.
[40:06.000 -> 40:07.000] I hope not.
[40:07.000 -> 40:09.000] Because, you know, he's no longer the animal if he backs off for the boss's boy.
[40:09.000 -> 40:15.000] He's just a devious person who is going to let Lance get ahead once.
[40:15.000 -> 40:17.000] I mean, Lance is just not there.
[40:17.000 -> 40:18.000] Sorry.
[40:18.000 -> 40:19.000] He's quick over one lap.
[40:19.000 -> 40:20.000] He's quick over one lap.
[40:20.000 -> 40:22.000] I'll give him that.
[40:22.000 -> 40:23.000] All right.
[40:23.000 -> 40:24.000] Yep.
[40:24.000 -> 40:25.000] Joe said that. Not me.
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[42:50.960 -> 42:55.840] We'll get on with some more listener questions, Joe, but I just wanted to make sure people don't miss out on the opportunity to catch your blogs. The Green Notebook is a fantastic
[42:55.840 -> 43:00.960] almost like travel log of you going around the world. And of course, you have the GP
[43:00.960 -> 43:02.960] Plus magazine, which is a PDF.
[43:02.960 -> 43:05.120] Hang on, hang on, hang on. The Green Notebook is more than a
[43:05.120 -> 43:09.760] travelogue. It's a travelogue with all the really, all the really good stuff in it. No, it's about
[43:09.760 -> 43:14.720] what crisps you had at the airport. No, no, but that's also true. It's about travelling the world
[43:14.720 -> 43:19.360] but it's also about what's really happening in Formula One. It's a news column. It's disguised
[43:19.360 -> 43:23.200] as a travelogue. I like the bit where you're like, oh I had to wait for eight hours and I had some
[43:23.200 -> 43:25.680] crisps. That's my favourite bit. Yeah.
[43:25.680 -> 43:26.680] Yeah.
[43:26.680 -> 43:27.680] Well, that's that's part of the game, isn't it?
[43:27.680 -> 43:29.520] That's what we do, you know.
[43:29.520 -> 43:34.120] I'm just describing life as on the Formula One scene because lots of people would like
[43:34.120 -> 43:35.120] to do it.
[43:35.120 -> 43:39.920] If I may give you a compliment, right, a lot of the journalism we get now, it stops you
[43:39.920 -> 43:40.920] in the street, basically.
[43:40.920 -> 43:41.920] It's like a street performer.
[43:41.920 -> 43:44.280] It stops you in the street and says, hey, read this, read this.
[43:44.280 -> 43:47.640] And you go, I'm angry now. What I would say about that,
[43:47.640 -> 43:52.360] what I call the travelogue is it's appointment reading. So I go, ah, okay, this is when I
[43:52.360 -> 43:57.920] sit down and I read that. It's a proper bit of writing rather than Horner slams Marco
[43:57.920 -> 44:06.480] into a sewer grate. Yeah. So I go, I recommend recommend Joe's green notebook and you and I are hooking
[44:06.480 -> 44:07.480] up a one of your...
[44:07.480 -> 44:08.480] Which is on JoeBlogsF1, isn't it?
[44:08.480 -> 44:15.120] JoeBlogsF1. There we go. Just search for JoeBlogsF1 and you'll find all his stuff. But we are
[44:15.120 -> 44:19.380] trying to find a date after Barcelona for one of the virtual live audiences, which have
[44:19.380 -> 44:23.480] been very much enjoyed. So look out for that. I'll get that out on our social media as soon
[44:23.480 -> 44:31.840] as we've planned that. But also check out GP GP Plus Magazine which is like a PDF. It's on a wax tablet every week on a wax
[44:31.840 -> 44:36.560] tablet you do a race review but it's got loads of other great stuff in there. And also there's also
[44:36.560 -> 44:42.080] the JSPM newspaper where the really good stuff is which is one of those old-fashioned PDFs as well
[44:42.080 -> 44:49.360] which comes out every Monday morning and is all the good scoops, that doesn't all go into the green notebook. So if you really want to know what's going on in
[44:49.360 -> 44:55.360] the industry, and lots of people, lots of the teams read it, not just in F1, but also on the other
[44:55.360 -> 44:59.760] side of the pond and also in Australia, all over the world, people read that one because they want
[44:59.760 -> 45:03.360] to know what's going to happen. Nice. Let's get on with some listener questions.
[45:01.000 -> 45:03.440] what's going to happen. Nice. Let's get on with some listener questions.
[45:07.360 -> 45:08.480] Oh, where should we go?
[45:08.480 -> 45:12.320] Oh, because you touched upon Nick DeVries, Paul Johnson is asking,
[45:12.320 -> 45:16.080] what's your take on Nick DeVries and what has gone wrong with him so far?
[45:16.080 -> 45:21.240] Why isn't his stellar drives as a stand in for Albon?
[45:21.400 -> 45:24.840] Why hasn't that translated to performance and results this year?
[45:25.360 -> 45:30.560] OK, well, there's a couple of reasons for that. One is that Nick de Vries is a lucky chap,
[45:31.200 -> 45:36.160] because the one race where he stepped in for Alex Albon was the one race where the Williams was
[45:36.160 -> 45:41.360] going to be stellar. If Albon had driven that car that weekend, I'm sure he would have done better
[45:41.360 -> 45:46.640] than Nick de Vries did. But he didn't, because Albon is the unluckiest racing driver in the world.
[45:46.640 -> 45:48.000] Everything always goes wrong for him.
[45:48.000 -> 45:56.680] So Nick was lucky, that gave him, that propelled him into the seat he's got, in part helped
[45:56.680 -> 46:04.320] by the fact also that Alonso messed up the market by moving off to Aston Martin, opening
[46:04.320 -> 46:06.240] up a space at Alpine for Gasly.
[46:06.240 -> 46:11.840] So as a result of that, now the other thing that people have missed, I think this year is that
[46:11.840 -> 46:16.320] Yuki Tsunoda is doing a hell of a lot better than people think he is. And it's because the car's not
[46:16.320 -> 46:23.360] particularly good. He's not showing up as being as good as he is, but he's beginning to look like a
[46:23.360 -> 46:26.640] proper, serious, reliable talent.
[46:26.640 -> 46:27.440] I hope so.
[46:27.440 -> 46:32.000] Which in the past, he's had the talent, he's had the speed, but there've been lots of things
[46:32.000 -> 46:35.760] wrong with him. It's taken him a long time to learn, but he is looking very, very good now.
[46:35.760 -> 46:38.880] And he's a very solid performer this year, if you look at the way things have gone
[46:39.440 -> 46:48.400] within the restrictions of that car. And so I think that Nick has arrived in a situation and found that Yuki
[46:48.400 -> 46:53.120] Tsunoda is not the pushover he thought he was going to be. And Nick, you know, he's got a lot
[46:53.120 -> 47:00.080] of talent, but Formula One's more than talent. I'm a Tsunoda fan. I want Tsunoda to do well. I
[47:00.080 -> 47:05.520] love his passion. I like his approach to racing racing and I don't mind him on the radio.
[47:05.520 -> 47:09.360] I don't think he's by far the worst person when it comes to team radio.
[47:09.360 -> 47:14.280] If Raikkonen did much worse and he was considered like, oh he's so funny, isn't he, Raikkonen,
[47:14.280 -> 47:15.880] screaming for his steering wheel.
[47:15.880 -> 47:19.120] So I feel like he's been unfairly treated in that way.
[47:19.120 -> 47:26.560] But here's my fear, is that what if, because Tsunoda was a step behind Gasly, what if the car isn't as
[47:26.560 -> 47:32.960] bad as it looks and it's just Sonoda hasn't taken a step up and actually De Vries really
[47:32.960 -> 47:37.700] isn't hitting the ground running either, it could be that the car's not that bad and you've
[47:37.700 -> 47:41.440] got a driver pairing that's not sparking. And I hope that's not true. I hope that that
[47:41.440 -> 47:45.920] car is trash and Sonoda is getting every ounce out of it, but it's hard to tease that apart.
[47:46.480 -> 47:49.200] Well, I think that the engineers will know the answer to that question
[47:49.200 -> 47:52.640] because they have data, which shows you how good the car is.
[47:52.640 -> 47:57.720] And I mean, I haven't sat down there and read through all the data, but the
[47:57.720 -> 48:01.960] impression I get from within the team is that the car is the problem, not the
[48:01.960 -> 48:02.480] drivers.
[48:02.480 -> 48:03.040] Interesting.
[48:03.240 -> 48:09.240] So, um, I think that's probably quite likely because, you know, teams
[48:09.240 -> 48:10.720] mess up, it's what happened.
[48:11.360 -> 48:11.880] Occasionally.
[48:12.440 -> 48:16.200] Look at McLaren, look at Mercedes, look at Ferrari come to that.
[48:17.040 -> 48:19.280] In fact, look at everybody apart from Red Bull.
[48:19.640 -> 48:21.840] Uh, they should have just spent more money, Joe.
[48:21.960 -> 48:22.400] That's the thing.
[48:22.760 -> 48:25.840] Uh, no, it's not No, it's not about money.
[48:25.840 -> 48:30.120] It's about the ability to use the money in a sensible fashion.
[48:30.120 -> 48:31.280] Everybody says it's all about money.
[48:31.280 -> 48:32.280] It's not.
[48:32.280 -> 48:33.420] Look at Toyota.
[48:33.420 -> 48:37.160] They spent more money than everybody and they were a complete and utter bust.
[48:37.160 -> 48:38.760] So why was that?
[48:38.760 -> 48:41.120] The Ford Motor Company, disastrous.
[48:41.120 -> 48:43.200] Jaguar racing days.
[48:43.200 -> 48:44.360] Why was that?
[48:44.360 -> 48:45.220] It's not about money.
[48:45.780 -> 48:46.180] Okay.
[48:46.240 -> 48:47.420] It's about using the money.
[48:47.860 -> 48:49.420] What a quick follow up on Sonoda.
[48:49.660 -> 48:54.660] Why has he got, I feel like he's actually got a bit more of a chance than a lot of
[48:54.660 -> 48:55.900] Red Bull juniors would have gotten.
[48:56.300 -> 48:59.780] We're under, under a weight of criticism, but they've stuck with him.
[49:00.340 -> 49:01.340] Why do you think that is?
[49:01.420 -> 49:01.860] Honda.
[49:02.420 -> 49:03.740] Oh, hang on a minute.
[49:03.740 -> 49:07.560] I got, I got told Honda were out of Formula One and that's why we needed an
[49:07.560 -> 49:11.240] engine freeze because it's Red Bull powertrains and it's nothing to do with Honda, Joe.
[49:11.240 -> 49:13.160] So it can't be Honda, can it?
[49:13.160 -> 49:15.120] Yeah, but it is to do with Honda, isn't it?
[49:15.120 -> 49:19.600] It's obviously still to do with Honda because that's just the way it is.
[49:19.600 -> 49:22.760] And he's had more time.
[49:22.760 -> 49:23.800] He's also quick.
[49:23.800 -> 49:24.800] You got to bear that in mind.
[49:24.800 -> 49:28.520] You know, he's not a fool. He's quick, but he's had more time. He's also quick, you got to bear that in mind. He's not a fool. He's quick, but he's flawed. And
[49:29.600 -> 49:36.200] Honda have got until 2026, they are involved in Formula One to a
[49:36.200 -> 49:40.320] lesser or greater extent. So it makes sense. Red Bull has four
[49:40.320 -> 49:43.480] drives available, and they make a horrible job with all their
[49:43.480 -> 49:47.680] juniors. So, you know, why don't they just use a Honda
[49:47.680 -> 49:50.240] junior who might be useful? Politically, it's a very
[49:50.240 -> 49:54.320] sensible thing to do. And the fact that they have to bring in
[49:54.320 -> 49:57.840] somebody who's not a Red Bull junior, sometimes, quite often
[49:57.840 -> 50:01.240] actually, is because their program is such rubbish. So you
[50:01.240 -> 50:07.200] know, there's far too much pressure placed on young drivers in the Red Bull
[50:07.200 -> 50:14.000] scheme. They are judged every week, you know, they fall in and out of favour. They don't get much
[50:14.000 -> 50:19.840] support. Marco's right in a way in that drivers shouldn't need too much support, but some of them
[50:19.840 -> 50:28.680] need some. You can't just hope that everybody is strong enough to take a battering when things aren't going right. And
[50:28.680 -> 50:31.200] nowadays, of course, everyone's so hung up on mental health
[50:31.200 -> 50:31.960] issues and all that.
[50:32.440 -> 50:35.560] As they should be, Uncle Joe, as they should be.
[50:35.560 -> 50:37.680] I'm not suggesting that they should or shouldn't be. What I'm
[50:37.680 -> 50:41.160] saying is it doesn't help young drivers. You know, the fact is
[50:41.160 -> 50:43.560] that if you look at the other schemes, there's a lot more
[50:43.560 -> 50:45.040] support for them.
[50:45.040 -> 50:50.880] But honestly, how did the world ever survive without all these crisis management teams
[50:50.880 -> 50:52.400] rushing to people's aid?
[50:52.400 -> 50:53.400] How did we ever do it?
[50:53.400 -> 50:55.080] How do we get through all this stuff?
[50:55.080 -> 50:56.760] How do we go through wars?
[50:56.760 -> 50:58.280] I don't know.
[50:58.280 -> 50:59.880] Without cancelling, how did we do it?
[50:59.880 -> 51:01.560] Well, that's us cancelled.
[51:01.560 -> 51:02.560] Good.
[51:02.560 -> 51:05.120] That's the last ever Inside F1 with Uncle Joe.
[51:05.120 -> 51:08.000] I know, but it's a perfectly valid point.
[51:09.280 -> 51:13.440] I honestly, I think my serious answer to that is that things were worse.
[51:14.000 -> 51:14.720] Things were worse.
[51:14.720 -> 51:15.200] Yeah, maybe.
[51:15.200 -> 51:16.000] And now we're trying to make them better.
[51:16.000 -> 51:17.360] Maybe, but we still got through it, didn't we?
[51:17.360 -> 51:20.880] Yeah, I don't want to just get through. I want to thrive, not just survive.
[51:20.880 -> 51:22.000] Okay, very good.
[51:22.000 -> 51:28.720] Will F1 in Japan thrive if T Sonoda gets promoted to Red Bull?
[51:28.720 -> 51:36.160] F1 in any country thrives if the driver or a driver from that country is successful.
[51:36.160 -> 51:40.760] If we have a driver from the United States of America who is successful, F1 will thrive
[51:40.760 -> 51:47.020] more than it is thriving already. If we have a successful driver from South Africa, there will be a South African Grand
[51:47.020 -> 51:48.160] Prix.
[51:48.160 -> 51:54.800] There is, you know, there are very clear elements that make this all obvious, really.
[51:54.800 -> 52:00.280] I mean, if we find, if it's possible to find a woman Formula One driver, we will have a
[52:00.280 -> 52:02.680] huge bigger audience of ladies.
[52:02.680 -> 52:03.680] Perfectly reasonable.
[52:03.680 -> 52:06.080] Well, F1 Academy's launched.
[52:06.680 -> 52:09.120] Yeah, I know, but it's a long, long process.
[52:09.120 -> 52:12.080] It's not just stick him in a car and see who's good.
[52:12.080 -> 52:14.240] You've got to find the right people.
[52:14.240 -> 52:16.680] You've got to nurture them right where you've got to give them time.
[52:16.680 -> 52:18.080] You've got to give them things they haven't got.
[52:18.240 -> 52:20.240] It's really a long time process.
[52:20.240 -> 52:24.200] And I don't think people realize unless you get a really exceptional
[52:24.320 -> 52:25.280] person coming along,
[52:25.280 -> 52:27.200] it's not going to happen overnight.
[52:27.200 -> 52:29.880] And it's not because nobody wants it to happen.
[52:29.880 -> 52:34.240] Believe me, everybody in Formula One wants to have a female driver in Formula One because
[52:34.240 -> 52:36.560] they realize it's good for the sport.
[52:36.560 -> 52:40.560] And the sooner we can find one, the better, but you can't find them that easily.
[52:40.560 -> 52:41.560] And that's the problem.
[52:41.560 -> 52:43.600] And that's true of engineers right across the board.
[52:43.600 -> 52:47.280] You know, gradually we're getting more and more, but the qualified, if you, if you read
[52:47.280 -> 52:50.200] people talking about this, they all say the same thing.
[52:50.200 -> 52:54.200] And I can attest to it, which is qualified people.
[52:54.200 -> 52:58.320] There aren't enough candidates because they just don't exist at the moment.
[52:58.320 -> 53:07.840] They will in time when they have the right kind of training programs and, and mentoring schemes and all these things you need.
[53:07.840 -> 53:09.400] But right now we don't.
[53:09.400 -> 53:11.120] But it's not because we don't want it.
[53:11.120 -> 53:12.120] No, good.
[53:12.120 -> 53:14.760] You got through that.
[53:14.760 -> 53:15.760] Without causing any trouble.
[53:15.760 -> 53:21.600] I didn't even mention the fact that if you really want to be a female in motorsport,
[53:21.600 -> 53:29.200] the best thing to do is to be a TV commentator.. And that will change over time and there's been reports that...
[53:29.200 -> 53:30.920] You reckon there'll be more men coming in the future?
[53:30.920 -> 53:35.960] I think that there has been a lot more women watching Formula One and I think the statistics
[53:35.960 -> 53:40.320] that have been banded about from F1 certainly seem to be reflecting that, so long may that
[53:40.320 -> 53:41.320] continue.
[53:41.320 -> 53:51.600] There's some listener questions Joe, that aren't related to any potentially thorny topics at all. And Maria, a lady, in our Slack group, is asking,
[53:51.600 -> 53:52.600] is the current Mercedes...
[53:52.600 -> 53:56.800] How presumptuous of you to suggest that. It might be a man called Maria. How do you know?
[53:56.800 -> 54:02.880] Maria, the human being called Maria, is the current Mercedes mostly an Alison-led concept,
[54:02.880 -> 54:05.400] presuming its inception was made before James went to
[54:05.400 -> 54:10.780] the CTO post, hence the switch of roles. Mercedes is, I think, quite transparent generally,
[54:10.780 -> 54:13.680] but the narrative for this switch feels like it's a bit lacking.
[54:13.680 -> 54:18.880] Well, I think James answered that one himself the other day by saying it's simplistic to
[54:18.880 -> 54:23.920] suggest that one person makes a difference in a car. It takes an awful lot of... there's
[54:23.920 -> 54:27.280] a thousand people working there producing a car, it takes an awful lot of 1000 people working there, producing a car. And the fact
[54:27.280 -> 54:31.560] that one person stays or goes isn't necessarily the reason
[54:31.560 -> 54:36.560] it's successful or not. So, yes, he was involved in things. So
[54:36.560 -> 54:40.080] was, you know, so was Mike Elliott, the fact they switched
[54:40.080 -> 54:47.880] jobs, just a different. It's just a different way to manage the way people have
[54:47.880 -> 54:52.720] talents that are important. James's talent is, as they've
[54:52.720 -> 54:56.120] said, as the man in the trenches leading the troops. And he's
[54:56.120 -> 55:00.720] very good at that. He's an inspirer, an inspirational guy.
[55:01.040 -> 55:06.080] Whereas Mike is perhaps not as inspirational, but he's very clever and can think in a very
[55:06.080 -> 55:13.400] clear and intellectual way. So, you know, there are some people who are good at strategy
[55:13.400 -> 55:17.400] and some people are good at leadership. And I think that's what it's all about. And as
[55:17.400 -> 55:23.340] to the actual impact on the car, well, you know, these are, we will see in time if that
[55:23.340 -> 55:25.600] group of people can produce a better car, which I
[55:25.600 -> 55:30.240] think they probably will. I think the transparency is interesting and why would they tell us each and
[55:30.240 -> 55:37.840] every decision as it goes, but I got the feeling that the decision was really made race one and
[55:37.840 -> 55:42.640] everything since then has just been going, carrying on as normal, well in the background,
[55:42.640 -> 55:46.400] they've been bringing this concept in, But it seems from Wolf's comments...
[55:46.400 -> 55:52.600] Everybody seems to know who made the decision, you know, and nobody seems to accept what the team says,
[55:52.600 -> 55:57.400] which is that it was done by an internal process of thinking about what was best for the team.
[55:57.400 -> 56:03.400] I actually, I, you can say I fall for that argument if you like, but I actually believe that's the case,
[56:03.400 -> 56:06.880] because that's how they work. And I think that
[56:07.260 -> 56:10.000] and that's why they've been successful because they are,
[56:10.260 -> 56:12.800] there's no delusion going on, they're going, well, this is
[56:12.800 -> 56:16.320] failing, why is it failing? What can we do to make it better? So
[56:16.320 -> 56:21.400] I don't follow this, this sort of cult of personality, if you
[56:21.400 -> 56:26.120] like, in all cases, you know, Adrian Newey has flaws too, you
[56:26.120 -> 56:32.200] know, he's surrounded by a whole bunch of very good people who adapt his inspirational
[56:32.200 -> 56:35.540] thinking to make it successful.
[56:35.540 -> 56:38.800] And sometimes maybe the inspirational thinking doesn't come from Adrian Newey, it might come
[56:38.800 -> 56:39.800] from some of the others.
[56:39.800 -> 56:41.760] No, we don't know their names.
[56:41.760 -> 56:42.760] They don't matter.
[56:42.760 -> 56:43.760] They're all correct, Derek.
[56:43.760 -> 56:44.760] We do actually, if you want them.
[56:44.760 -> 56:48.560] Oh yes. Yeah, shout out to some of the Red Bull design team.
[56:48.560 -> 56:54.320] Well, the Rob Marshalls of the world, the Pierre Vachez, the, I'm trying to remember his,
[56:54.320 -> 56:59.440] Balbo, the aerodynamicist, I think it's Enrico Lorenzo, I can't remember, which he'll be very
[56:59.440 -> 57:09.760] upset if he listens to this, which I doubt he does, but you never know. There are strengths in depth because every so often the other teams
[57:09.760 -> 57:11.440] go to Red Bull and nick everybody, they can get their
[57:11.440 -> 57:14.600] hands on. And then another generation rise to the top and
[57:14.600 -> 57:18.160] they get nicked as well. So, you know, it's just the way it is.
[57:18.160 -> 57:20.760] And Mercedes is a little bit the same, but Mercedes has a slightly
[57:20.760 -> 57:28.240] different, more inclusive sense of unit, which is why they tend to lose fewer people.
[57:30.000 -> 57:33.040] This is why they've been world champions for so long, because they've held it together.
[57:33.040 -> 57:38.240] They also have contracts, which are quite complicated to escape from as well, if you
[57:38.240 -> 57:41.520] wanted to. But if they don't want you, you can get out quite easily.
[57:42.240 -> 57:46.560] All right. Well, a personal question for me, are the upgrades going to work?
[57:47.160 -> 57:48.080] I have no idea.
[57:48.080 -> 57:49.040] That's what you see.
[57:49.160 -> 57:49.440] Yes.
[57:49.880 -> 57:51.280] Well, how am I supposed to guess?
[57:51.320 -> 57:51.680] I don't know.
[57:51.680 -> 57:52.400] You talk to people.
[57:52.480 -> 57:53.480] How happy do they seem?
[57:54.080 -> 57:58.960] Well, to be honest, I haven't talked to them about that because, um, I
[57:58.960 -> 58:00.000] don't think anybody knows.
[58:00.000 -> 58:03.640] All you can know is whether or not it's an improvement in what you've had
[58:03.640 -> 58:07.800] before, they seem to think that is, but is it an improvement when compared to everyone
[58:07.800 -> 58:10.960] else's improvement because Formula One is constantly improving week after week.
[58:11.520 -> 58:12.200] So we don't know.
[58:12.400 -> 58:12.900] Let's see.
[58:13.280 -> 58:15.640] Um, maybe, maybe not.
[58:16.200 -> 58:20.360] I think it's basically, it's, it's a race one car, isn't it?
[58:20.720 -> 58:24.360] And whilst everyone's waiting for this magic bullet, it's effectively, this
[58:24.360 -> 58:29.520] is what they wished they would have had in Bahrain if they could go back in time. Might be, who knows?
[58:30.080 -> 58:37.120] I was hoping you would. It's easy to, well yeah, but sometimes you can't make it up. You can make
[58:37.120 -> 58:45.320] it up, it's easy, you just join the internet clutter and say this is the answer. But we don't know the answer quite often. And to say
[58:45.320 -> 58:50.280] we do is delusional. So we can guess maybe we're right, maybe
[58:50.280 -> 58:50.720] we're wrong.
[58:50.840 -> 58:53.000] Okay, I'm gonna guess then because Joe said I could. I'm
[58:53.000 -> 58:56.880] gonna guess. It's brilliant. Okay, good. And we've got time
[58:56.880 -> 58:57.000] for...
[58:57.000 -> 58:59.120] It still probably won't be, it won't be brilliant enough to
[58:59.120 -> 59:03.960] make up the 30 seconds. 30 seconds of race they are behind
[59:03.960 -> 59:04.440] Red Bull.
[59:04.480 -> 59:07.640] Yeah, I'd given up on that. But I did sort of get this feeling that Aston Martin is still
[59:07.640 -> 59:11.160] kind of, well, Alonso is still there in that position.
[59:11.160 -> 59:15.120] I think I said it after the Miami review, not by default, but there is a gap ahead of
[59:15.120 -> 59:17.760] them where there should be a Ferrari and a Mercedes.
[59:17.760 -> 59:22.040] I think the season will be much more interesting if Mercedes and Ferrari can work their way
[59:22.040 -> 59:23.280] back into that gap.
[59:23.280 -> 59:24.280] Maybe, maybe.
[59:24.280 -> 59:28.000] The other thing is, remember, I mean, people, we were talking about money
[59:28.000 -> 59:31.200] and knowing how to use it, but you've also got to have enough money.
[59:31.520 -> 59:36.200] Now, where, for example, Alpine has suffered in the past is they have a much
[59:36.200 -> 59:37.960] smaller budget than the big guys.
[59:38.480 -> 59:42.440] So even if they know how to use it, you might say they've been using it very
[59:42.440 -> 59:45.040] effectively to be where they've been in the past,
[59:45.040 -> 59:50.400] but it's a very small budget, which is why they're selling a percentage of the team to get more money
[59:50.400 -> 59:56.320] in, so that they can invest in things they need. Excellent. Joe, I actually do, like with all my
[59:56.320 -> 01:00:01.040] shows, stick to our strict hour time limit. So I think we've got just enough time for two things.
[01:00:01.040 -> 01:00:06.400] One, Rob Ashley is a big fan.. He's saying can you wish him a happy
[01:00:06.400 -> 01:00:11.520] birthday for turning 40? That's Rob Asher. Well thank you very much. That's very kind of you.
[01:00:12.240 -> 01:00:16.240] That would have been a while ago now. No, but he wants you to wish him a happy birthday for
[01:00:16.240 -> 01:00:20.560] turning 40. Oh I see, sorry. I was thinking you were wishing me a happy birthday. Yes, happy
[01:00:20.560 -> 01:00:26.160] birthday. Have a wonderful time. I should have pre-wished you, brother. 40 is jolly fun. Mm, yeah.
[01:00:26.160 -> 01:00:29.440] I won't tell you what I was doing my 40th birthday, but it was very naughty.
[01:00:29.440 -> 01:00:35.040] Oh, well, please don't. There's been quite enough trouble. If you keep hearing big cuts
[01:00:35.040 -> 01:00:40.960] and skipping audio in this podcast, it's because I've taken the knife to it. And let's see. And,
[01:00:40.960 -> 01:00:45.120] oh, this is quite a nice one from Sam, who just says, Joe, what's your highlight of
[01:00:45.120 -> 01:00:52.640] the season so far? What have you liked? What do I like so far this season? I just think we've had a,
[01:00:54.160 -> 01:01:00.960] I mean, I've liked to see, I like to see excellence. Okay. And I like the way in which
[01:01:00.960 -> 01:01:05.200] the red bull works. I like the way in which Max Verstappen drives it. He's been quite
[01:01:05.200 -> 01:01:10.880] unlucky actually. People are far too busy banging the drum saying Sergio Perez is a championship
[01:01:10.880 -> 01:01:16.240] contender when clearly he's not. Vamos Checo. Yes, yes, vamos Checo is all very well. It gives
[01:01:16.240 -> 01:01:19.840] you a bit of a buzz and all the rest of it. But the bottom line is that Max Verstappen is way
[01:01:19.840 -> 01:01:28.640] ahead of him. So I like to see excellence and I've been really enjoyed Max doing well. I don't enjoy people not doing well,
[01:01:28.760 -> 01:01:33.080] because, you know, you kind of feel their pain. There are some
[01:01:33.080 -> 01:01:35.200] people I don't particularly like so feeling their pain is, you
[01:01:35.200 -> 01:01:42.080] know, slightly enjoyable. But, you know, as a general rule, I
[01:01:42.080 -> 01:01:47.880] hate to see people suffering, if you like, you know, we're in this game, not just to make money, we're in
[01:01:47.880 -> 01:01:51.920] this game to race and to have fun. And, you know, I like to
[01:01:51.920 -> 01:01:54.920] see people having fun. And when Max Verstappen wins a race, he
[01:01:54.920 -> 01:01:57.440] might play it down and pretend that he's not overly happy, but
[01:01:57.440 -> 01:02:01.160] he's delighted every time he wins a race. And every time he
[01:02:01.160 -> 01:02:04.120] doesn't win a race, he's not so delighted. You know, so it's
[01:02:04.120 -> 01:02:10.320] all it's just human beings really and that's sometimes forgotten in Formula One is that we are all human being we
[01:02:10.320 -> 01:02:15.760] all have feelings you know all that sort of stuff am I allowed to weep now? Now here's a long list
[01:02:15.760 -> 01:02:20.480] of people who Joe would enjoy seeing suffering. No we can't do that because we are out of time go
[01:02:20.480 -> 01:02:25.200] and search for Joe Bloggs F1 we'll put links to to his stuff in our show notes as well
[01:02:25.200 -> 01:02:30.080] and keep an ear out because we will tell you when the next virtual audience with Joe Saywood will be
[01:02:30.080 -> 01:02:34.720] Joe thank you so much for your time pack your brolly for Imola and thanks for joining us in
[01:02:34.720 -> 01:02:41.520] the shed. I'm taking gumboots as well because after last year's mud bath gumboots are a good idea.
[01:02:41.520 -> 01:02:48.820] Join us at 8pm on Sunday as we review the Imola Grand Prix live with Matt, me, Christian
[01:02:48.820 -> 01:02:54.680] and Alex van Geen. But wherever we see you next, work hard, be kind and have fun. This
[01:02:54.680 -> 01:02:56.680] was Mr Apex Podcast.
[01:02:56.680 -> 01:03:07.440] Are you successfully controversial the controversial enough one? The last ever Mr Apex podcast.
[01:03:07.440 -> 01:03:08.840] No, do you know what?
[01:03:08.840 -> 01:03:11.720] I was holding my breath a lot, Joe, but we got through it.
[01:03:11.720 -> 01:03:14.640] I call that personal growth and progress.
[01:03:14.640 -> 01:03:19.480] I'm very proud of you, Uncle Joe.
[01:03:19.480 -> 01:03:20.880] Well we get through it every time.
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