Singapore GP 2023 F1 Race Review

Spanners and Trumpets are joined by  F1 media breakout star Antonia Rankin and special guest, Twitter’s favorite Red Bull Reject, Engine Mode 11 as they sample all the team’s ice baths when they aren’t looking. From Ferrari’s fabulous finale to Red Bull’s run for redemption, no monitor lizard goes untelevised in this, the latest episode of Missed Apex Podcast.

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**Summary of the Missed Apex Podcast Episode: Nobody Expects the Spanish National Anthem**

* **Introduction:**

* The episode begins with the hosts, Spanners, Matt, Antonia, and Dan, discussing the Singapore Grand Prix and how it was unexpectedly exciting.
* They mention that they set low expectations for the race, but it turned out to be one of the best races of the season.

* **Key Moments of the Race:**

* The hosts discuss the key moments of the race, including:
* The strategic battle between Ferrari teammates Carlos Sainz and Charles Leclerc.
* The safety car period that bunched up the field and led to an exciting finish.
* The battle for the lead between Sainz, George Russell, and Lewis Hamilton.

* **Ferrari's Dominance:**

* The hosts praise Ferrari's performance in the race, particularly Sainz's controlled drive to victory.
* They also discuss the improved strategy and communication within the Ferrari team.

* **Team Play and Driver Sacrifices:**

* The hosts discuss the importance of team play and driver sacrifices in Formula 1.
* They highlight the example of Leclerc sacrificing his position to help Sainz maintain the lead.

* **Liam Lawson's Performance:**

* The hosts praise Liam Lawson's performance as a reserve driver for Red Bull Toro Rosso.
* They discuss his impressive qualifying and race results, and the possibility of him getting a full-time seat in Formula 1 next season.

* **Lance Stroll's Crash:**

* The hosts discuss Lance Stroll's qualifying crash and his subsequent withdrawal from the race.
* They criticize Stroll's driving and question his future in Formula 1.

* **Conclusion:**

* The hosts conclude the episode by summarizing the key takeaways from the Singapore Grand Prix.
* They emphasize the importance of team play, driver sacrifices, and strategic decision-making in Formula 1. 1. **Race Recap:**

- **Mercedes Strategy**: Mercedes' decision to pit under the virtual safety car while Leclerc stayed out was a gamble that ultimately paid off, with Hamilton finishing P2 and Russell P3. The strategy was risky, as it meant giving up track position, but it worked out in Mercedes' favor.
- **George Russell's Performance**: Russell had a strong weekend, qualifying P2 and leading the race for a significant portion. However, he made a mistake on the final lap, allowing Hamilton to pass him for P2. This has led to discussions about Russell's consistency and his ability to handle the pressure of a race win.
- **Red Bull's Struggles**: Red Bull had a difficult weekend in Singapore, with Verstappen finishing P7 and Perez P8. This was attributed to the team's setup issues and the track's characteristics, which did not suit the Red Bull car.
- **Logan Sargent's Crash**: Williams driver Logan Sargent caused a safety car by crashing his car. This was an unfortunate incident, as Sargent is currently seeking a contract for next season.
- **Technical Directive Impact**: The technical directive aimed at addressing Red Bull's alleged cheating was enforced for the first time in Singapore. However, Red Bull's struggles were attributed to setup issues rather than the technical directive.

2. **Key Insights and Perspectives:**

- **Mercedes' Aggressive Strategy**: Mercedes' decision to pit under the virtual safety car demonstrated their willingness to take risks and challenge Ferrari's strategy. This aggressive approach paid off, highlighting the team's strategic capabilities.
- **George Russell's Consistency**: Russell's mistake on the final lap has raised questions about his consistency and ability to handle the pressure of a race win. This has led to comparisons between Russell and Leclerc, both of whom are young drivers with high expectations.
- **Red Bull's Setup Issues**: Red Bull's struggles in Singapore were attributed to setup issues rather than the technical directive. This suggests that the team may need to reevaluate their approach to car setup and find a solution that works better for the remaining races of the season.
- **Logan Sargent's Crash**: Sargent's crash was an unfortunate incident that highlighted the challenges of driving a Williams car. The team has struggled for pace and reliability throughout the season, making it difficult for their drivers to compete for points.
- **Technical Directive Impact**: The impact of the technical directive on Red Bull's performance remains unclear. The team's struggles in Singapore were primarily due to setup issues, so it is difficult to determine the extent to which the directive affected their performance.

3. **Overall Message:**

The Singapore Grand Prix provided several talking points, including Mercedes' aggressive strategy, George Russell's consistency, Red Bull's setup issues, Logan Sargent's crash, and the impact of the technical directive. These topics have generated discussions among fans and experts, highlighting the dynamic and unpredictable nature of Formula One racing. # Missed Apex Singapore GP Review

## Introduction

- Spanners, Antonia, Matt, and Dan discuss their thoughts on the Singapore Grand Prix.
- They talk about the track conditions and how they affected the race, as well as the new technical directive that was in place.

## Race Recap

- Red Bull had a difficult weekend in Singapore, with both Verstappen and Perez struggling with car setup and reliability issues.
- This allowed Ferrari to take a 1-2 finish, with Leclerc winning the race and Sainz finishing in second place.
- Sergio Perez finished in fourth, behind Lando Norris of McLaren.

## Technical Directive

- The new technical directive was aimed at preventing teams from using flexible floors to gain an aerodynamic advantage.
- Red Bull was thought to be one of the teams that would be most affected by the directive, and their struggles in Singapore seemed to confirm this.
- However, Matt Trumpets believes that the directive may not have had as much of an impact as some people thought.

## Other Notable Moments

- Lewis Hamilton was penalized for a pit lane infringement, which dropped him down the order.
- Esteban Ocon had a strong race for Alpine, finishing in sixth place before his gearbox failed.
- Carlos Sainz was praised for his mature and intelligent drive, which helped him to secure the victory.

## Podium

- Antonia gives the Driver of the Day award to Carlos Sainz.
- Matt gives the Team of the Day award to Ferrari.
- Dan gives the Moment of the Day award to Esteban Ocon's overtake on Fernando Alonso.

## Conclusion

- The Singapore Grand Prix was a dramatic and unpredictable race, with several twists and turns.
- Ferrari took a dominant 1-2 finish, while Red Bull struggled with car setup and reliability issues.
- The new technical directive may have had an impact on Red Bull's performance, but it is difficult to say for sure.
- There were several other notable moments in the race, including Hamilton's penalty, Ocon's strong drive, and Sainz's mature and intelligent victory. ## Summary of Missed Apex Podcast Episode:
### Introduction:
- The podcast begins with the hosts, Spanners Ready, Matt Trumpets, Antonia Rankin, and special guest Dan Drury, discussing their experiences with the podcast and thanking their patrons for their support.

### Thing of the Weekend:
- Each host and guest shares their "thing of the weekend," which is a highlight or memorable moment from the recent Formula One race.
- Matt Trumpets: Kevin Magnussen's strong qualifying performance and points finish for Haas.
- Dan Drury: McLaren's decision to circle the entire car in their upgrade documents, showing transparency about their updates.
- Antonia Rankin: Max Verstappen's impressive drive despite not being at the front of the grid.

### Missed Apex Awards:
- The hosts and guest award their "Missed Apex Awards" to individuals or moments that they believe underperformed or made mistakes during the race.
- Spanners Ready: Martin Brundle's awkward grid walk interview with Oscar Piastri, where he interrupted Piastri to wish Esteban Ocon a happy birthday.
- Matt Trumpets: George Russell's attempt to imitate a scene from Independence Day by crashing into Lando Norris, costing him a better result.
- Dan Drury: Aston Martin's public relations campaign, led by Mike Krack, which he believes is exaggerated and misleading.
- Antonia Rankin: Yuki Tsunoda's retirement from the race due to a puncture, which she felt was unnecessary and could have been avoided.

### Other Topics Discussed:
- The hosts briefly discuss Fernando Alonso's struggles during the race, including a missed pit lane and a crash into the barrier.
- They also mention Yuki Tsunoda's retirement from the race due to a puncture, which they find surprising given that Lewis Hamilton continued racing on three tires in Silverstone 2021.

### Conclusion:
- The hosts wrap up the podcast by thanking their listeners and encouraging them to follow them on social media. They also express their excitement for the upcoming Japanese Grand Prix and speculate on whether Red Bull's recent struggles will continue.

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[01:27.800 -> 01:36.560] You are listening to Missed Apex Podcast.
[01:36.560 -> 01:56.040] We live F1. Welcome to Missed Apex podcast. The title of today's show is Nobody Expects the Spanish
[01:56.040 -> 02:01.960] National Anthem. That provided by Brad D in our Patreon Slack group. I'm your host, Richard
[02:01.960 -> 02:05.200] Ready, but my friends call me Spanners. So let's be friends.
[02:05.200 -> 02:11.840] Welcome to the Singapore Race Review, which was unexpectedly quite good. And as a parent,
[02:11.840 -> 02:18.560] one of my key tactics on any adventure is to set low expectations. That's the key to a happy life.
[02:18.560 -> 02:24.000] That's what my Lola Esther taught me. Low expectations lead to happy days. Yes, kids,
[02:24.640 -> 02:26.200] we are going to the park, but it might
[02:26.200 -> 02:31.360] be shut, it might rain, the ice cream van might not be there. Yes, kids, we're going
[02:31.360 -> 02:36.240] to go and watch the Singapore Grand Prix, but no one will attempt a ballsy Hollywood
[02:36.240 -> 02:42.160] two-stop double stack. That never happens here. No one will overtake. The Aero Wash
[02:42.160 -> 02:47.280] is too washy. And no one can beat Max Verstappen, he's won 10
[02:47.280 -> 02:54.840] in a row. But today, we went to the park, we had ice cream and it was not Red Bull flavoured.
[02:54.840 -> 02:59.960] So today joining me on the show, that is an independent podcast produced in the podcasting
[02:59.960 -> 03:04.560] shed with the kind permission of our better halves. We might be wrong, but we're first.
[03:04.560 -> 03:07.160] We'll give you a race review on your Monday morning commute.
[03:07.240 -> 03:08.040] How does that sound?
[03:08.160 -> 03:09.120] And it's me and it's Matt.
[03:09.120 -> 03:10.360] Two rumpets.
[03:10.360 -> 03:10.800] How's it going, Matt?
[03:11.240 -> 03:16.040] You know, if you squint really hard and kind of look out at a corner of your eye,
[03:16.520 -> 03:18.240] a reprimand looks like a penalty.
[03:19.760 -> 03:21.720] Yeah, but what if you do it three times?
[03:22.120 -> 03:23.000] Still a reprimand.
[03:24.160 -> 03:26.240] We're joined by international TikTok
[03:26.240 -> 03:32.400] sensation Antonia Rankine. Hello mate. Hi, yeah, Sebastian Vettel once said everybody is a Ferrari
[03:32.400 -> 03:37.040] fan and I don't think that has ever been more true than today. I'm really upset how much I
[03:37.040 -> 03:42.160] wanted Carlos Sainz to win today and I'm also very upset how happy I was that he did win and I had
[03:42.160 -> 03:45.760] to take a good long look in the mirror and understand how
[03:45.760 -> 03:52.720] after 30 odd years I got to that point. Yeah no honestly I was sat there and my little Ferrari
[03:52.720 -> 03:57.520] heart was pitter-pattering and I didn't want to get my hope up because I thought give it 20 laps
[03:57.520 -> 04:02.880] Max will be there and then you know what he never was and I thought I love this sport I love F1 so
[04:02.880 -> 04:09.120] much this is the best sport in the world. So think of the Ferrari fans there as Carlos Sainz was leading and all of them,
[04:09.120 -> 04:13.200] like they're being nudged by their friends, go on, be happy, Carlos Sainz is in the lead.
[04:13.200 -> 04:17.200] And they're all going, no, because any minute now the sad, sad will come. And they're like,
[04:17.200 -> 04:22.080] no, the sad, sad might not come. And it's been, it's been many, many moons since the sad, sad
[04:22.080 -> 04:25.520] didn't come. And, and, but it didn't. They had their happy, happy
[04:25.520 -> 04:26.520] day.
[04:26.520 -> 04:30.400] It was the best day ever. Honestly, I love today so much. I vote we make this like a
[04:30.400 -> 04:32.200] national holiday. I'm so happy.
[04:32.200 -> 04:36.260] We can't because we are joined by someone who used to work for Red Bull and now runs
[04:36.260 -> 04:42.840] the most Red Bull Fossey podcast in history. It is Dan Drury, aka Engine Mode 11 from the
[04:42.840 -> 04:48.640] Engine Breaking Podcast. Dan, I'm so sorry to bring you on on this the day the Red Bull
[04:49.300 -> 04:51.300] stopped winning forever
[04:51.520 -> 04:56.820] Yeah, I know so there was it the first non Red Bull win since Brazil last year
[04:56.820 -> 05:02.400] Yeah, and it's you know the show you have me on so thank you for the invite, and I'm never coming back on again
[05:02.480 -> 05:09.760] Yeah, because you could be the curse so what I would like to ask is could you come back for Japan to make sure that Red Bull are definitely
[05:09.760 -> 05:16.080] nerfed? No, no I'm busy, I'm busy then, sorry. Well looks like, looks like the groundhog has
[05:16.080 -> 05:20.080] poked his head out and there's going to be 10 more races of Red Bull Winter.
[05:29.440 -> 05:36.360] Okay, firstly, as I said in the intro, we normally expect the Singapore Grand Prix to be rubbish. Antonia, why was the Singapore Grand Prix good? I'm alarmed by why I enjoyed
[05:36.360 -> 05:37.360] it so much.
[05:37.360 -> 05:41.820] Honestly, I was quite alarmed too, but I have to say it's like someone had sprinkled a little
[05:41.820 -> 05:45.600] bit of Christmas magic fairy dust. It was wonderful,
[05:45.600 -> 05:49.920] I think the changes they've made to the track, I'm a really big fan, it's still quite a long lap
[05:49.920 -> 05:54.800] time and you kind of wonder how it was even longer but no, I really enjoyed the changes that were
[05:54.800 -> 06:00.640] made. I think the general dynamic of the teams in the paddock this year with this track was just
[06:00.640 -> 06:05.720] really great and obviously having the grid mixed up a little bit, compiled
[06:05.720 -> 06:12.180] with the fact that overtaking wasn't the easiest, clearly, was great. It was just a really good
[06:12.180 -> 06:15.560] recipe for a really good race. I very much enjoyed.
[06:15.560 -> 06:19.120] Me too. And it wasn't the easiest, Dan, but normally this has been a place like, oh, if
[06:19.120 -> 06:33.000] you're within eight seconds, you can't make progress. Why was this suddenly raceable? Well, you know, I think the conspiracy theorists would like to say the technical directive may
[06:33.000 -> 06:38.960] have shaken things up a bit. I don't buy that, personally. I think, you know, Red Bull have had
[06:38.960 -> 06:43.800] a stinker. And if you take Red Bull out of the equation of all the other races, the racing behind
[06:43.800 -> 06:49.900] them has actually been quite good. And now they're not running away with it, which you know, I'm sure we'll talk about.
[06:49.900 -> 06:54.600] But I think it just highlighted that actually a lot of teams are more closer than we think.
[06:54.600 -> 06:56.400] We're just so used to Max winning everything.
[06:56.400 -> 06:59.700] That's it, Matt. There was pretty much all throughout the race,
[06:59.700 -> 07:03.000] he had five drivers within three or four seconds.
[07:03.000 -> 07:06.000] And then of course that that dramatic ending with
[07:06.000 -> 07:10.320] people so close it's just that's not what we've been used to for Singapore Grand Prix.
[07:11.360 -> 07:18.240] No, I mean obviously the new regulations helped some, the track change definitely helped because
[07:18.240 -> 07:26.480] people could push the tires a little bit more but mostly what you had was Red Bull not in a position to rapidly get in front of the race.
[07:27.040 -> 07:33.600] You had an immaculately timed safety car. In fact, if I was Red Bull, I would see who was
[07:33.600 -> 07:38.960] in charge of making sacrifices to the racing gods because I don't believe more could have
[07:38.960 -> 07:45.960] gone wrong for them unless somehow Max tripped coming into the paddock and broke his arm or something like that.
[07:45.960 -> 07:50.120] It's remarkable they did as well as they did at the circuit.
[07:50.120 -> 07:52.040] But that's a story with lots of details.
[07:52.040 -> 07:53.040] I'm sure we'll get to later.
[07:53.040 -> 07:54.040] Yeah.
[07:54.040 -> 07:55.720] Well, they used Yuki up early in the race.
[07:55.720 -> 07:59.480] Perez used their Yuki, so there's no way they could deploy a Yuki-based safety.
[07:59.480 -> 08:02.400] There was no stroll to crash a second time.
[08:02.400 -> 08:03.640] Just it all went wrong.
[08:03.640 -> 08:10.800] There we go. So actually, why don't we start with, I think, the key battle, Matt, which was
[08:11.520 -> 08:16.320] basically, we'll cover the rest of the race and a bit from qualifying, but the key moment of that
[08:16.320 -> 08:25.480] race was, what? I just saw you going for a moment moment too. What Ferrari strategy team versus each other?
[08:25.760 -> 08:26.240] Sorry.
[08:31.720 -> 08:38.120] But I thought the key moment of like that set the race alight was when Esteban Ocon sacrificed his race to go home early on his birthday so that the teams could have a
[08:38.120 -> 08:39.080] tactical choice.
[08:39.080 -> 08:41.520] So with what did we have?
[08:41.520 -> 08:48.760] We had Sainz in the lead, then we had George Russell and then we had what Norris, Leclerc, Hamilton. I think that was something like the order. So
[08:48.760 -> 08:50.600] George Russell was second, but basically-
[08:50.600 -> 08:53.760] Other way around. Hamilton was ahead of Leclerc.
[08:53.760 -> 08:58.240] There we go. So they all had that kind of choice after they went around the first time
[08:58.240 -> 09:03.560] to go, right, do we come in and get a half cheap pit stop and go on to mediums? Leclerc
[09:03.560 -> 09:06.160] decided not to, the Mercedes decided
[09:06.160 -> 09:11.800] to go for it, and that is what brought to life one of the best finishes. In fact, that
[09:11.800 -> 09:15.600] is the best final third of a Singapore Grand Prix ever.
[09:15.600 -> 09:20.400] Yeah, it is. It's interesting, because if you go back and look at the radio calls, Mercedes
[09:20.400 -> 09:25.600] call clearly to George was, do the opposite of Ferrari.
[09:25.600 -> 09:33.120] So Mercedes was in the mindset of we're going to go the other way and try and win the race.
[09:33.120 -> 09:38.520] Now with hindsight, I don't know, he might have had a better chance if he'd stayed out
[09:38.520 -> 09:42.080] on the hard tires and tried to chase Carlos down.
[09:42.080 -> 09:50.640] But we won't know the answer to that because of course that's not what happened. But it's an interesting change for Mercedes because normally they tend to be
[09:50.640 -> 09:56.800] quite conservative, especially at a track where position matters ever so much. And I don't know
[09:56.800 -> 10:03.360] if it's because they saw Ocon doing the overtakes on Alonso and Perez before, you know, before
[10:03.360 -> 10:06.160] Alpine. And let's just say this is why people live in
[10:06.160 -> 10:10.320] France because the quality of life is good. Before Alpine ended his day early and sent him home so
[10:10.320 -> 10:16.160] that he could enjoy his birthday. I don't know if they just saw the overtakes and thought with the
[10:16.160 -> 10:22.000] tire delta, with the tire offset it was possible, but they rolled the dice. Hamilton was a little
[10:22.000 -> 10:27.760] bit less of a risk. He was losing out a single position to Leclerc, and everyone knows that Ferraris are trash
[10:27.760 -> 10:29.920] and dirty air anyway on their tires.
[10:29.920 -> 10:33.520] So that was a certain overtake that was going to happen.
[10:33.520 -> 10:38.720] But it was thrilling at the end, and it let us see...
[10:38.720 -> 10:42.160] I'm going to talk up Carlos Sainz a little bit, because I've sort of long been a fan
[10:42.160 -> 10:44.600] of his, much to everyone's annoyance.
[10:44.600 -> 10:47.440] Although you're practically an honorary Spaniard, you lived there for a bit.
[10:48.400 -> 10:57.520] And we saw a side, we got to see some of the qualities that normally I think are kind of hidden
[10:57.520 -> 11:04.000] in terms of his ability as a driver at the end of the race. And it was just amazing to watch.
[11:04.160 -> 11:05.200] driver at the end of the race and it was just amazing to watch.
[11:09.800 -> 11:13.960] Yeah, I've sung Carlos's praises for a while now and I'm really, really glad that we're seeing him in a car where he can showcase his ability because I do
[11:13.960 -> 11:18.380] think he really is a fantastic driver and he's a reliable one when he's got
[11:18.640 -> 11:20.720] the car and the strategy behind him.
[11:20.720 -> 11:24.080] And today is a really great example of that leading from start to
[11:24.080 -> 11:30.000] finish in a controlled way. He didn't push the car too hard. He didn't take unnecessary risks. He
[11:30.000 -> 11:35.760] controlled the race when necessary, backing up the field in order to maintain his tires,
[11:35.760 -> 11:40.720] his brakes, et cetera. And then when it came to it, pushed. And I think it was a really
[11:40.720 -> 11:46.880] excellent example of a mature, controlled drive. I think he did fantastically. But going
[11:46.880 -> 11:51.600] back to what you said Matt about the Ferraris being bad in dirty air, I thought it was so
[11:51.600 -> 11:58.560] interesting how quickly, especially with um with Charles after there was the incident in the pits,
[11:58.560 -> 12:04.560] how quickly he started to slip back and kind of lost his head being screwed on a little bit. I
[12:04.560 -> 12:06.080] mean we all know Charles as being a little bit. I mean, we all know
[12:06.080 -> 12:10.400] Charles as being a little bit of a hothead, he is very reactive and does sometimes crack
[12:10.400 -> 12:15.040] under pressure. However, I thought it was really interesting as soon as he started to
[12:15.040 -> 12:20.240] get swallowed up by those Mercedes, he disappeared, which I thought towards the end of the race,
[12:20.240 -> 12:30.240] I felt a little bit robbed of a good battle going on there. But in the final stages, it was so fantastic to see four cars absolutely going at it with
[12:30.240 -> 12:31.240] each other.
[12:31.240 -> 12:32.960] We haven't seen that in so long.
[12:32.960 -> 12:37.480] And not a battle in the midfield, not a battle for a podium place, a battle for P1, where
[12:37.480 -> 12:42.760] genuinely at any point they were saying constantly, oh, you know, Sainz could not have this, he
[12:42.760 -> 12:49.400] could lose the tires if he makes a single mistake, if he's got no grip around the front, he could have conceded that win
[12:49.400 -> 12:54.680] very easily. And just as a fan, the reason I enjoyed the race so much is because we were
[12:54.680 -> 13:00.140] given such good racing today. And the fact that George made a mistake is a testament
[13:00.140 -> 13:01.760] to that because they were all on the line.
[13:01.760 -> 13:09.120] They were pushing. Are you sort of gently outing yourself as a Ferrari fan? Because I'm not sure that, I'm not sure you've been clear about that
[13:09.120 -> 13:13.600] in the past and I'm a little, you know, I just want to, I just want to take a proper measure
[13:13.600 -> 13:18.160] of you. That's all. That's, that's, that's all I want. Is this, is this so you can judge me fairly?
[13:18.160 -> 13:24.160] No, I genuinely, I really do in my heart of hearts mean this. I don't mind who wins as long as we get
[13:24.160 -> 13:25.400] a good race.
[13:25.400 -> 13:27.120] And I love rooting for the underdog.
[13:27.120 -> 13:28.880] And today, I guess that was, you know,
[13:28.880 -> 13:31.000] Ferrari, even though they'd had a good quality.
[13:31.000 -> 13:33.640] I just thought it was really great to see
[13:33.640 -> 13:36.240] some new people having a shot, you know?
[13:36.240 -> 13:37.840] And I love watching it.
[13:37.840 -> 13:39.160] I really, really do.
[13:39.160 -> 13:41.960] I am genuinely there for the wheel to wheel.
[13:41.960 -> 13:42.800] It's great.
[13:42.800 -> 13:44.680] So it looks like my panel is directing me
[13:44.680 -> 13:50.160] towards talking about Ferrari instead of that pivotal moment around the safety car. That's fine,
[13:50.160 -> 13:55.600] Matt. We won't talk about Ocon if that's what you want. No more Ocon chat for the rest of the show.
[13:55.600 -> 14:01.440] He did really well, by the way, before he broke his car. But yeah, let's talk about how Ferrari
[14:01.440 -> 14:07.600] sort of dominated and just controlled a race where I assumed that the
[14:07.600 -> 14:12.120] tyre management would get to them. Yes, they might have been a little bit fortunate that
[14:12.120 -> 14:17.680] it was generally a low wearing track. We've taken four of the slowest corners and the
[14:17.680 -> 14:22.520] mechanical grip corners as well out of the track as well. So that will have suited Ferrari.
[14:22.520 -> 14:30.880] But what really surprised me, Dan, was that the strategy department just seems to have arrived this weekend like where where was that strategy department
[14:31.520 -> 14:36.640] in 2022 at the beginning of the year because that they were managing their drivers they were taking
[14:36.640 -> 14:44.720] command they were issuing instructions and and oh my god can you believe it it worked yeah it's a
[14:44.720 -> 14:46.440] long long flight to Singapore.
[14:46.440 -> 14:49.800] So they also had time to listen to their audio book, how to run a race.
[14:51.240 -> 14:51.520] Yeah.
[14:51.640 -> 14:52.920] By J R R Hartley.
[14:53.040 -> 14:53.320] Yeah.
[14:53.760 -> 14:54.120] Yeah.
[14:54.160 -> 14:58.480] And, uh, it obviously worked, you know, and they were, they were, I thought about
[14:58.480 -> 15:04.080] this live during the race when they started Charles on the softs and he was
[15:04.080 -> 15:06.200] behind Carlos, like within the first
[15:06.200 -> 15:10.040] corner and I thought would you not just let Charles go here because he's clearly
[15:10.040 -> 15:14.160] on the better tyre but they were like no no we know what we're doing we're gonna
[15:14.160 -> 15:17.680] leave him behind and sort of use him as a buffer between sides and I thought
[15:17.680 -> 15:23.800] savage but tactical I like it. Leclerc looked very disappointed in the post race
[15:23.800 -> 15:30.360] interviews where he was said you know yeah I'm happy for the team, the whole team is happy, brackets except
[15:30.360 -> 15:31.360] me.
[15:31.360 -> 15:34.920] But he just said, you know, it's my fault I didn't put in a good enough qualifying on
[15:34.920 -> 15:35.920] the Saturday.
[15:35.920 -> 15:40.380] And he sort of, it was nice, he seemed to just accept that he goes, well, that was my
[15:40.380 -> 15:43.400] role because I didn't do well enough on the Saturday.
[15:43.400 -> 15:46.320] So when they gave him instructions, Antonia,
[15:46.320 -> 15:49.200] he was resisting a little bit,
[15:49.200 -> 15:50.040] but at the end of the day,
[15:50.040 -> 15:53.480] they followed all the instructions for the Deltas.
[15:53.480 -> 15:55.520] Yeah, and I've been saying for so long,
[15:55.520 -> 15:56.720] that is what it comes down to,
[15:56.720 -> 16:00.220] the clear communication and chain of command within Ferrari,
[16:00.220 -> 16:02.280] with the strategists on the pit wall,
[16:02.280 -> 16:05.760] communicating effectively and confidently to drivers and the
[16:05.760 -> 16:09.840] drivers actually having faith that what they're being told is the right thing because obviously
[16:10.480 -> 16:15.840] they themselves have experienced it going wrong so many times. I'm sure it's very easy for them
[16:15.840 -> 16:21.120] to lose faith and think no I know better because 99% of the time in the past they probably did
[16:21.680 -> 16:25.040] but I think it was really interesting with Charles Tidale. At first,
[16:25.040 -> 16:28.560] he was a bit hesitant to drop back from signs. Obviously, they were trying to make that delta
[16:28.560 -> 16:33.520] as wide as possible, just in the interest of backing up the pack a little bit and defending
[16:33.520 -> 16:41.760] him. But being the sacrificial lamb for Charles Tidale benefited signs. And I think, yeah,
[16:41.760 -> 16:45.600] he got landed with the less favorable strategy, but that's how it is.
[16:45.600 -> 16:49.280] If you've got two drivers at the front, you're always going to have them on slightly different
[16:49.280 -> 16:53.760] strategies because of course, if one goes wrong, the other needs to be able to take the fall a
[16:53.760 -> 16:58.560] little bit. And I'm sure he was a bit bitter because of course he would have wanted to be
[16:58.560 -> 17:05.140] up there today, but it was as a whole team, such a seamless performance from them and one that we've been
[17:05.140 -> 17:07.820] waiting for for so long.
[17:07.820 -> 17:08.820] Not all of us, Antonia.
[17:08.820 -> 17:11.640] I think what I'm sensing is you.
[17:11.640 -> 17:12.640] You've been waiting for this.
[17:12.640 -> 17:14.520] I want the back from everyone.
[17:14.520 -> 17:21.160] It's so difficult because when you see teams not maximizing their potential, it's so frustrating.
[17:21.160 -> 17:26.160] And that's why a team like Red Bull is so effective because from point to point to point they nail
[17:26.540 -> 17:31.940] Everything and Ferrari have had so many chances to be up there because they've got all of the components
[17:31.940 -> 17:34.900] They've got all of the ingredients for a really nice soup
[17:34.900 -> 17:41.180] But instead of putting it in the blender like you're meant to they've been splashing it on the wall. Yeah, like an angry
[17:41.820 -> 17:49.800] Inconsistent toddler, but see Dan we don't just slag off Red Bull all the time and sometimes I get other people in that might compliment them.
[17:49.800 -> 17:55.360] But at the beginning of the... I mean, look, let's not beat around the bush, right? I hate
[17:55.360 -> 18:00.320] every team, I hate every driver, you know? I'm very equal in what I hate and that's
[18:00.320 -> 18:07.920] everything. But as a sports fan, I think it's healthy to have a certain amount of hate for the other teams that you don't support. You know,
[18:07.920 -> 18:13.200] like I have an irrational hatred of Ipswich Town Football Club and I just,
[18:13.200 -> 18:17.240] like, if I could wish any football club to go into administration it would be
[18:17.240 -> 18:21.280] Ipswich Town. But I feel that's valid from a sporting sense. I'm sure
[18:21.280 -> 18:25.840] they're all very lovely people. But like today, when it looked like
[18:25.840 -> 18:29.440] no, they're not lovely people, that's a lie. But when it looked like Red Bull weren't going to win
[18:29.440 -> 18:35.200] today, I was like, I just want someone else to win. No, not Ferrari. So there was that.
[18:36.000 -> 18:42.240] But it was fun to watch that play out. They played well, but what I wish I would see more, Matt, is
[18:42.880 -> 18:45.160] this kind of team play. So what Ferrari
[18:45.160 -> 18:50.960] did today, we don't see very often. Why don't we at Monaco see, if a car is 1-2, we don't
[18:50.960 -> 18:55.680] ever just see one driver just park the bus and let someone go and get a 10-second lead.
[18:55.680 -> 19:00.760] We didn't get that today, but we effectively got Leclerc going, right, I'm going to be
[19:00.760 -> 19:08.080] rear gunner and I'm going to let you disappear. And I'm not sure Leclerc would have been able to hold off Russell before the virtual safety car,
[19:08.080 -> 19:12.880] hold off Norris at the end of the race and ultimately hold off the Mercedes,
[19:12.880 -> 19:16.560] had Leclerc not done that rear gunner role.
[19:16.560 -> 19:21.200] Well, yeah. I mean, I think it just speaks to how close the cars are,
[19:21.200 -> 19:27.200] that you need a dedicated team effort to keep especially I think I think
[19:27.200 -> 19:34.400] Ferrari seemed seemed at this track to be a little you know I'm not sure we ever saw
[19:34.400 -> 19:41.160] their true true true pace but I would argue that if you put Lewis out there for a 62 lap
[19:41.160 -> 19:45.760] run and a Ferrari out there for a 62 lap run. I think Lewis would have been faster for
[19:45.760 -> 19:49.440] sure. I think Russell would have been faster for sure if he managed to miss all the walls.
[19:50.800 -> 19:55.040] And so- He missed most of the walls, Matt. Let's be clear.
[19:55.040 -> 19:58.240] He only hit one of them. He missed nearly every wall.
[19:58.240 -> 20:15.000] So yeah, yeah, true. But you don't get this often because the fundamental problem or attraction of Formula 1 is your only real gauge of how you're doing is your teammate.
[20:15.000 -> 20:25.600] So drivers are very sensitive to being put into secondary roles. And now some drivers will be like, yes, I would rather drive a car I can win
[20:25.600 -> 20:32.800] with on occasion and know that it's my main job to sweep up behind the lead driver. But a lot of
[20:32.800 -> 20:40.400] drivers mentally don't want to accept that that's their place. And as a result, the teams oftentimes
[20:40.400 -> 20:44.560] have a hard time getting a really coherent strategy because they're too busy trying to be
[20:44.560 -> 20:45.760] fair to both drivers.
[20:45.760 -> 20:49.640] I completely agree because that is so important and historically has been a
[20:49.640 -> 20:52.160] really decisive factor at Ferrari.
[20:52.160 -> 20:56.120] And I'm so glad that you've mentioned about the comparison factor because that
[20:56.120 -> 20:57.480] is so huge.
[20:57.480 -> 21:00.400] I mean, it's a huge discussion at the moment between the staff and
[21:00.400 -> 21:04.160] the parents, of course, but I'd love to use this opportunity to talk about Liam
[21:04.160 -> 21:05.640] Lawson. Go.
[21:05.640 -> 21:07.600] Because I am so impressed.
[21:07.600 -> 21:10.160] I have to say anyone, anyone,
[21:10.160 -> 21:13.600] any reserve driver can come and sit in a car in testing,
[21:13.600 -> 21:16.040] give it a good go, put in some decent times,
[21:16.040 -> 21:20.720] but I think Lawson has been so adaptable, dependable,
[21:20.720 -> 21:24.820] and actually has really shown Yuki up a couple of times.
[21:24.820 -> 21:26.920] And this weekend was no different.
[21:26.920 -> 21:29.400] He put in such a great performance
[21:29.400 -> 21:30.740] and got points for the team.
[21:30.740 -> 21:34.400] He got great quality result and maximized it in the race.
[21:34.400 -> 21:36.920] And it's really difficult as a rookie
[21:36.920 -> 21:41.400] to be fast in one lap and then consistent in the race.
[21:41.400 -> 21:43.440] So I think hugely impressive.
[21:43.440 -> 21:49.600] I need to defend Yuki just a little bit because it was quite, it was funny to be fair in Q2.
[21:49.600 -> 21:53.960] So I don't know, Dan can give us an insight into what was going on with the four team
[21:53.960 -> 22:03.480] car that is Red Bull Tauri. But basically Verstappen nerfed Sunoda's first run in Q2
[22:03.480 -> 22:08.200] and then he said, well, he didn't have a feeler he'd lost his bank out pushed you hard so he didn't get it and then Lawson knocks
[22:08.200 -> 22:11.600] out Verstappen in Q2 how would that have gone down?
[22:11.600 -> 22:18.920] I love it to be honest I thought it was I love that sort of word I can't say on
[22:18.920 -> 22:28.160] here it's a family show but yeah I love that sort of turnip housing let's call it. Right now I
[22:28.160 -> 22:34.360] know what you were gonna say. But who would have thought that the team
[22:34.360 -> 22:38.320] that's placed 10th in the Constructors Championship would be having a driver
[22:38.320 -> 22:46.360] selection sort of crisis. Well what's the crisis Dan? So this is it, they keep saying like I've heard or
[22:46.360 -> 22:53.560] they was it well your your your Emperor Palpatine did say I think it's likely
[22:53.560 -> 22:58.440] Lawson will get a contract for next season instead of who? Exactly you know
[22:58.440 -> 23:10.960] but I here we go hot take, I know you love this sort of thing. I have said for the last couple of weeks now that I reckon Yuki might end up at Aston Martin
[23:10.960 -> 23:16.520] because he is still a Honda backed driver and Aston Martin are receiving some Honda
[23:16.520 -> 23:17.520] PU soon.
[23:17.520 -> 23:23.720] Wow, there you go, so there we go, so that leaves the coast clear for Lawson and Ricciardo
[23:23.720 -> 23:27.640] and to be fair, I'm hard pushed to think of a driver
[23:27.640 -> 23:29.400] who has come in mid-season
[23:29.400 -> 23:32.920] and been as competent as Liam Lawson.
[23:32.920 -> 23:33.760] Yeah.
[23:33.760 -> 23:34.920] Yeah, well, you would think
[23:34.920 -> 23:37.320] that that would be Nick DeVries, wouldn't you?
[23:37.320 -> 23:40.400] Oh, that was a one-off, total one-off.
[23:40.400 -> 23:42.920] Well, the thing is, that was, at the time,
[23:42.920 -> 23:44.960] we all thought, wow!
[23:44.960 -> 23:49.340] And obviously Red Bull also did because they've whacked them in one of their,
[23:49.800 -> 23:52.860] kind of not there, but also definitely their car.
[23:53.580 -> 23:58.500] So I, I find it very difficult with Red Bull because I have an immense amount of
[23:58.500 -> 24:00.100] respect for their cutthroat culture.
[24:00.100 -> 24:04.120] To be honest, I think in the pinnacle of motorsports saying you're not good
[24:04.120 -> 24:09.040] enough out you get is incredibly reasonable and it's an effective way of managing a team, to be honest, I think in the pinnacle of motorsports, saying you're not good enough, out you get is incredibly reasonable and it's an effective way of managing a team to be honest.
[24:09.600 -> 24:16.880] But they were way too hasty putting DeVries in that seat. My word. And he, yeah, he had
[24:16.880 -> 24:23.200] a fantastic performance and he did a really great job one time and they thought that was worthy of
[24:23.200 -> 24:27.000] an F1 contract having, I found that really difficult.
[24:27.000 -> 24:30.760] He hadn't been in the F1 development kind of tunnel. He'd obviously done all of the
[24:30.760 -> 24:36.520] Formula E stuff, but that is very different. And that's why I think everyone is a little
[24:36.520 -> 24:40.720] bit hesitant to be super excited about Lawson, because we don't want to repeat, especially
[24:40.720 -> 24:41.720] given that it's been in the same...
[24:41.720 -> 24:45.560] No, I think it's more substantial than the De Vries situation. So
[24:45.560 -> 24:50.720] before we get too far away into kind of silly season speculation, Paddy in our live Patreon
[24:50.720 -> 24:56.960] chat has said, so Alonso out, Yuki in. I promise I'm going to circle back around to this exciting
[24:56.960 -> 25:02.380] battle we had in Singapore, but Lance Stroll in any other situation has done himself no
[25:02.380 -> 25:05.600] favours. If he wasn't the team owner's son,
[25:05.600 -> 25:07.580] there would be a lot of speculation.
[25:08.440 -> 25:12.260] Dan, there's two things that annoy me, Dan.
[25:12.260 -> 25:15.500] A, he was nowhere for the first part of that lap
[25:15.500 -> 25:17.540] and then just decided by his own admission
[25:17.540 -> 25:19.240] to go for a miracle.
[25:19.240 -> 25:21.840] And then he just kind of noped out of Sunday
[25:21.840 -> 25:25.920] with what doesn't seem like much of a good note from his parents.
[25:25.920 -> 25:27.720] Oh, we're talking about Stroll?
[25:27.720 -> 25:32.400] Stroll, yeah, we zigzagged. Yeah, it's a fast moving show. This isn't engine braking where
[25:32.400 -> 25:35.400] we just, you know, endlessly...
[25:35.400 -> 25:39.840] I'm permanently half asleep, mate. No, I just had my WhatsApp message from Mike Crack and
[25:39.840 -> 25:45.360] I've got to say, it says here Lance his last roll was incredibly committed as we can see by
[25:45.360 -> 25:47.600] the speed he took on his qualifying lap.
[25:47.600 -> 25:48.600] That's not even a joke.
[25:48.600 -> 25:49.600] That's not even a joke.
[25:49.600 -> 25:53.560] Mike Krach has used that crash to show that he's incredibly committed.
[25:53.560 -> 25:57.320] So Mike Krach, I don't like being too negative.
[25:57.320 -> 25:58.320] Very NASCAR.
[25:58.320 -> 26:00.960] The harder you crash, the better you are.
[26:00.960 -> 26:05.040] As I said on the last show, we can't now take what Mike Crack says seriously because
[26:05.040 -> 26:11.120] he is very much doing the Otmar Schaffnauer thing where if you want to keep your job,
[26:11.120 -> 26:18.040] you have to big up Lance Stroll. Antonia? Yeah, I have a lot of respect for Stroll as
[26:18.040 -> 26:27.680] a person. Nice guy. Not the speediest driver, unfortunately. I think he's hit a very crossroad point, if I'm honest, in his racing career,
[26:27.680 -> 26:30.040] his career has become a bit stagnant.
[26:30.360 -> 26:33.800] He's not making much progression within Aston Martin.
[26:33.800 -> 26:37.160] He's not putting in particularly impressive performances.
[26:37.360 -> 26:38.840] He's gone through a few different teammates.
[26:38.840 -> 26:42.060] So we can say that's, that's a pretty fair thing to say compared
[26:42.060 -> 26:44.740] to his various teammates, you know?
[26:44.840 -> 26:45.200] Yeah. Putting him up against Fernando Alonso, there's going to be a little bit of a that's a pretty fair thing to say compared to his various teammates, you know, yeah,
[26:45.200 -> 26:48.960] putting him up against Fernando Alonso, there's going to be a little bit of a gulf there,
[26:48.960 -> 26:54.560] but he's still been in F1 long enough where we can expect him to be doing a few more things than he is.
[26:55.200 -> 27:02.640] And I do struggle with why he is still in the team in the seat, because if I were him and I were his
[27:02.640 -> 27:05.040] manager, I would say, right, we will find
[27:05.040 -> 27:09.440] a seat in another team because something is clearly not working. If you have the potential
[27:09.440 -> 27:14.120] and the talent that your father is saying you do, and I'm sure you do because you can
[27:14.120 -> 27:16.760] drive the car and you'll not last every single race.
[27:16.760 -> 27:18.480] Not every race.
[27:18.480 -> 27:23.120] Nearly every race. But you know what I mean? He's not, he's there and he's not shocking.
[27:23.120 -> 27:26.700] He's, but he's just there. And I think something's got to give with Stroll
[27:26.700 -> 27:28.440] because the quali lap, like you said,
[27:28.440 -> 27:30.400] he wasn't putting in amazing sectors.
[27:30.400 -> 27:33.280] He wasn't on the absolute limit of performance.
[27:33.280 -> 27:36.280] And then at the final corner, he's had this huge shunt
[27:36.280 -> 27:38.920] and obviously, thank goodness he was okay after it
[27:38.920 -> 27:40.720] because it was a really nasty one.
[27:40.720 -> 27:42.360] It was a big one, that was.
[27:42.360 -> 27:46.000] I do think it was a good call to have today off, to be honest.
[27:46.000 -> 27:52.000] So, Antonia, you've grown up in an era where people mostly survive those crashes.
[27:52.000 -> 27:56.000] But Dan, we see a crash like that and we go, oh, that guy's probably dead.
[27:56.000 -> 28:00.000] And every single time a driver walks away from a crash like that, you go,
[28:00.000 -> 28:02.000] poor, a blimey, how?
[28:02.000 -> 28:05.640] Yeah. Did you see the photos on Twitter of how far back he
[28:05.640 -> 28:10.700] moved yeah he like shifted it a full back half a meter back yeah it was a
[28:10.700 -> 28:14.760] proper shunt and like you say the fact he got out under his own steam and that
[28:14.760 -> 28:18.760] you know what 10 years ago I think we wouldn't even have seen that 10 years
[28:18.760 -> 28:24.760] ago but I was just gonna circle back to the comment about Lance Stroll's manager
[28:24.760 -> 28:26.440] is it surely his dad's his manager Surely he's Dadsy's manager?
[28:26.440 -> 28:28.000] Has he been her manager?
[28:28.000 -> 28:29.000] Who knows?
[28:29.000 -> 28:30.000] Who knows?
[28:30.000 -> 28:34.080] But anyway, I would just say, just because I know I want to get back to the racy thing.
[28:34.080 -> 28:36.080] I've been trying to get back to the racy thing.
[28:36.080 -> 28:40.960] But I would say to everyone out there who does sport at any level, maybe the Aston Martin
[28:40.960 -> 28:44.320] PR team has done him a bit dirty by going, well, he's sore.
[28:44.320 -> 28:49.560] He's still sore from yesterday. It's the big game. It's the Sunday game. It's the match you've
[28:49.560 -> 28:55.680] been looking forward to all day, all week. You get up in the morning and even though
[28:55.680 -> 28:59.720] the match isn't until 3pm, you've got your football socks and chin pads on at 11. You
[28:59.720 -> 29:03.480] have your lunch and your kit because you're so excited to get out there. You don't go,
[29:03.480 -> 29:10.240] I'm a bit sore, I won't play. That didn't land well with me, but maybe the Aston Martin PR just didn't quite
[29:10.800 -> 29:17.520] get the point across quickly enough. Well enough, quickly enough. Stupid. I want to get back to the
[29:17.520 -> 29:22.720] action, Matt. Here's what I want the panel to tell me. When Mercedes pitted under the virtual
[29:22.720 -> 29:27.320] safety car and Leclerc didn't, who here thought
[29:27.320 -> 29:32.720] that would work? Because they were obviously going for the win. I instantly went, oh no,
[29:32.720 -> 29:37.400] oh they're Mercedesing it. They've thrown away a podium. Who thought that that would
[29:37.400 -> 29:41.520] work? Antonia, what was your feeling when you saw the double stack?
[29:41.520 -> 29:48.120] I've learned to be hesitant. I've been conditioned to not have optimism,
[29:48.120 -> 29:49.920] but no, I can't lie.
[29:49.920 -> 29:51.720] I was very surprised that it actually worked out
[29:51.720 -> 29:54.000] and it worked out by the skin of their teeth,
[29:54.000 -> 29:56.640] the skin of their teeth.
[29:56.640 -> 29:57.480] So you know what?
[29:57.480 -> 29:59.440] Like I can't shun it today,
[29:59.440 -> 30:01.360] but I will say you're on thin ice.
[30:01.360 -> 30:02.960] It was. I was holding my breath.
[30:02.960 -> 30:04.320] It was nice though, Dan,
[30:04.320 -> 30:05.440] to see Mercedes being
[30:05.440 -> 30:10.360] proactive because I think that's something that they've been lacking probably all throughout
[30:10.360 -> 30:16.600] their return to F1. Yeah, yeah and again you know I get some Mercedes slander in there
[30:16.600 -> 30:20.440] on this podcast. Go for it mate. Why not? I think they relied too much on their dominance
[30:20.440 -> 30:27.320] to have to worry about being proactive. They were just like, ah, we can be reactive, it's fine, we got such an incredible straight line speed, who cares
[30:27.320 -> 30:33.960] sort of thing. Fast car merchants, isn't it? Fast car merchants, that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[30:33.960 -> 30:37.960] And when they had to be proactive, sometimes it's gone spectacularly wrong.
[30:37.960 -> 30:43.160] But, I don't know, you know, I think today was one of those decisions where if it works, they look like
[30:43.160 -> 30:46.000] heroes. If it doesn't, they look like idiots. It was one of those decisions where if it works, they look like heroes. If it doesn't, they look like idiots.
[30:46.000 -> 30:48.600] It was one of those sort of coin flippy sort of situations.
[30:48.600 -> 30:53.700] Well, I think given the fact that they're not going to win either championship this
[30:53.700 -> 31:01.060] year, it was, it wasn't that much of a bet to chase the win versus throwing away a guaranteed
[31:01.060 -> 31:08.080] second place, which is pretty much what they threw away. It's nice to see them being
[31:08.080 -> 31:16.160] aggressive with a strategy, because it makes for more interesting racing. And it's, it's, I don't
[31:16.160 -> 31:22.400] know, I don't know if I would have done that if you if I'd been in charge at that point. To me,
[31:22.400 -> 31:25.760] the sensible thing was to split the strategy.
[31:25.760 -> 31:30.880] Lewis was only going to lose a single position, effectively, because there was a big gap from
[31:30.880 -> 31:38.080] Leclerc to Alonzo, and Alonzo wound up pitting out of that anyway. So I think if Mercedes wanted to
[31:38.080 -> 31:43.520] optimize their points, the strategy that was correct was to leave Russell out, because he was
[31:43.520 -> 31:49.140] closing the gap to Sainz. He was pushing was pushing signs on the hard tire and instead signs basically
[31:49.140 -> 31:53.140] got to circle around it any speed he wanted to till he was ready to go fast
[31:53.140 -> 31:58.460] and and then that would have made Hamilton's life a lot simpler.
[31:58.460 -> 32:03.300] O'Clerk would have been done, Norris possibly would have been done and you'd
[32:03.300 -> 32:07.800] have had two Mercedes on the podiums and maybe
[32:07.800 -> 32:11.000] even a win for Russell if he'd found a way around signs.
[32:11.000 -> 32:12.000] Yeah.
[32:12.000 -> 32:13.000] Well, this is it.
[32:13.000 -> 32:17.880] You're being challenged, Antonio, by Mia in our live patron chat, patreon.com forward
[32:17.880 -> 32:20.360] slash MissDapex saying, skin of their teeth.
[32:20.360 -> 32:23.960] And I think the point is they gave up P2.
[32:23.960 -> 32:26.000] They were already in P2.
[32:26.000 -> 32:28.560] So how can we say it worked?
[32:28.560 -> 32:31.240] They threw away a Russell podium.
[32:31.240 -> 32:35.520] Yeah, but didn't George kind of throw that away on lap 62?
[32:35.520 -> 32:36.520] Yeah.
[32:36.520 -> 32:43.280] I mean, it is a tricky one because in my opinion, it worked out in that they were both chasing,
[32:43.280 -> 32:50.440] you know, the top positions by the end of the race in a very actually close battle where I say by the skin of their teeth, because
[32:50.440 -> 32:56.160] if signs is tires had got just a smidge less in them, it would have worked out for them.
[32:56.160 -> 33:02.080] And George wouldn't have had to be right on the line in the final lap. But it's, I have
[33:02.080 -> 33:06.880] to say the whole weekend, it really did look, and I really empathize with George here,
[33:06.880 -> 33:09.640] it did look like George could have taken that win.
[33:09.640 -> 33:14.640] And I did really feel for him that he wasn't on that podium
[33:14.640 -> 33:17.780] because they had right pace, they really did.
[33:17.780 -> 33:20.640] And they did have the car there,
[33:20.640 -> 33:22.720] they had the drivers that it was just,
[33:22.720 -> 33:24.480] it just didn't quite click.
[33:24.480 -> 33:25.520] You know, Ferrari,
[33:25.520 -> 33:31.040] Ferrari actually for once didn't mess up horribly. And unfortunately for Mercedes,
[33:31.040 -> 33:36.240] that meant they couldn't win the race. I can already feel Van Geen's response. I can, to my
[33:36.240 -> 33:41.200] next thing that I'm going to say, because I can feel the voice note going by. I can hear his car
[33:41.200 -> 33:45.920] going off in the background going, uh, Spanners! Because he's a big George
[33:45.920 -> 33:55.840] Russell fan. And I think today has to go down as a fail for George Russell. And like you're right,
[33:55.840 -> 34:01.760] in that all weekend he looked hot. He was my tip for the win, because I thought the Ferrari tyres
[34:01.760 -> 34:06.000] maybe might, you know, give away a little bit more than they turned out
[34:06.000 -> 34:12.080] to do. It was a very low degradation race. But George Russell was the favourite, and he was
[34:12.080 -> 34:16.160] looking good all through the practice sessions, and he looked obviously better than Lewis Hamilton
[34:16.720 -> 34:30.800] in qualifying. Here's my concern, Matt. George Russell turns up on a Saturday with a lower downforce setup. He is able to then push really hard, not have to worry about tyre deg on a Saturday.
[34:30.800 -> 34:34.600] And maybe this is how he's got the reputation as Mr. Saturday.
[34:34.600 -> 34:39.600] Pulls a fantastic qualifying out of his race costume.
[34:39.600 -> 34:45.920] And then when it comes to the race, today, you could argue, and I will, that given his
[34:45.920 -> 34:51.360] set up choice, he was basically in Lewis Hamilton's way the whole Sunday.
[34:52.160 -> 34:56.960] Oh, I mean, you know, if we want to just simply drive Gene Z mad, I could say,
[34:56.960 -> 35:00.960] let's go back to Williams. You remember when he was in points and Emile
[35:00.960 -> 35:03.040] and crashed his car for no particular reason?
[35:03.040 -> 35:03.920] Under the safety car.
[35:03.920 -> 35:05.240] Smashed the bowtast.
[35:05.240 -> 35:06.240] Oh, that one, yeah.
[35:06.240 -> 35:12.900] I mean, we could, Russell honestly has a bit of a history of doing things like this when
[35:12.900 -> 35:16.200] he's in a position to do well for himself.
[35:16.200 -> 35:19.080] In American sports, Matt, what would you call that?
[35:19.080 -> 35:22.360] We say they choked.
[35:22.360 -> 35:24.360] And this doesn't mean he's a bad driver.
[35:24.360 -> 35:27.000] This doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be at Mercedes,
[35:27.000 -> 35:32.000] because I can imagine what's headed my direction now from all the Mercedes fans that follow us.
[35:32.000 -> 35:34.000] But it is a reality.
[35:34.000 -> 35:39.000] We have seen him a couple of times when it was all on the line, make these kinds of mistakes.
[35:39.000 -> 35:43.000] Now, for me, I'd much rather call this like a sophomore slump.
[35:43.000 -> 35:46.200] He's at the team. He thinks he's got it all wired
[35:46.200 -> 35:52.760] but he's not quite there and so he's making these little mistakes from time to time that take him
[35:52.760 -> 35:59.400] out. But the reality is, yeah, Hamilton was faster. He did a better job bringing the medium tire in
[35:59.400 -> 36:08.720] and he had significant pace advantage at the end of the race. And which goes back to why if you kept Russell on the hard tyre,
[36:09.160 -> 36:12.680] you wouldn't have had this issue of Hamilton getting on the radio and saying,
[36:12.840 -> 36:16.360] yeah, you know, my teammate up ahead of me on the same tyre, same lap.
[36:16.960 -> 36:19.760] So, yeah, he needs to speed up a little bit.
[36:20.080 -> 36:22.240] So actually, we didn't even really consider that.
[36:22.240 -> 36:30.400] Is that what about leaving Russell out on the hard tyre in his P2 and then having Hamilton chase that down? But Mercedes just don't like doing it.
[36:30.400 -> 36:34.880] They don't like now possibly favouring one driver over another.
[36:35.680 -> 36:40.560] Well, no, I think the Mercedes strategy was to win the race with Russell.
[36:40.560 -> 36:40.880] Yes.
[36:40.880 -> 36:47.280] And to that end, they chose to do the opposite of Ferrari in the VSC. And obviously,
[36:47.280 -> 36:53.120] Ferrari made the choice to stay out on the hard tire because it is a significant pit delta, which,
[36:53.120 -> 36:59.280] oh, hey, I have a whole thesis about pit deltas. But let's point out that there was no pit stops
[36:59.280 -> 37:05.920] except for Red Bull that wasn't a safety car or virtual safety car, which is one of the reasons we saw this
[37:05.920 -> 37:11.440] race bang so much where normally Singapore is dull as dishwater is because we had a reasonable
[37:11.440 -> 37:14.880] pit delta and I wish they would do something about it. Okay, thesis over.
[37:16.880 -> 37:19.600] Gosh, you know what, I love when Matt has his rants.
[37:19.600 -> 37:23.920] It goes off on one. It gives me a chance to go to the bathroom. I didn't hear any of that. I just
[37:24.480 -> 37:25.520] took my break there. Yeah, no, just going back to what you're to the bathroom. I didn't hear any of that. I just took my break there.
[37:25.520 -> 37:29.440] Yeah, no, just going back to what you're saying about George, I have a huge amount of respect
[37:29.440 -> 37:33.360] for George. I think where he goes wrong, it's really similar to Leclerc. I think him and
[37:33.360 -> 37:39.120] Leclerc are one and the same. They're just so hungry for these race wins to prove themselves,
[37:39.120 -> 37:43.060] to get results. And unfortunately, that does mean they make some errors that other drivers
[37:43.060 -> 37:47.040] in the same positions don't make. We see it we see it with a little compare all the time,
[37:47.040 -> 37:50.260] but we've seen it with George now that he's in the Mercedes
[37:50.260 -> 37:52.520] and actually possibly getting the results.
[37:52.520 -> 37:55.280] But the reason he choked, as you would say Matt,
[37:55.280 -> 37:57.800] in the final lap was he got this tunnel vision.
[37:57.800 -> 37:59.600] He could see the end in sight,
[37:59.600 -> 38:02.440] he could see the result he wanted right in front of him.
[38:02.440 -> 38:09.560] And he quite literally was so busy looking at the car in front of him that he forgot to look at the wall next to him. And it was
[38:09.560 -> 38:17.600] literally just a case of he was clearly so in that race. He was so completely tunneled,
[38:17.600 -> 38:21.320] focused in and he just completely lost his peripherals because he got final lapitis.
[38:21.320 -> 38:25.200] You know how on Friday you kind of stopped paying attention. That was his
[38:25.200 -> 38:29.760] Friday. What did we say when George Russell, he had that, was it at Monza where he had that,
[38:30.560 -> 38:35.520] you know, he had that bad, you know, the decision whether to be on inters or, or, or dries. And he
[38:35.520 -> 38:40.560] said, Oh, where, where was my, where was my podium? I was predicted a podium. And he was at Monza.
[38:41.360 -> 38:45.960] Not Monza. The one before. Yeah. And And we said you don't score until you score.
[38:45.960 -> 38:47.560] And that he's done it again.
[38:47.560 -> 38:52.040] He's almost like, you know, he's he's got this vision of where he thinks he's going
[38:52.040 -> 38:55.080] to end up and that kind of, you know, maybe blinds him to it.
[38:55.080 -> 39:00.960] But I will say in that situation, I don't think Lewis Hamilton is a saint in this situation
[39:00.960 -> 39:03.080] because he knew he was faster.
[39:03.080 -> 39:05.680] He was telling the team we need to hurry up and
[39:05.680 -> 39:12.320] he was definitely showing his nose. Dan Lewis Hamilton, he's not an unexperienced campaigner,
[39:12.320 -> 39:17.360] he was putting the middle of his front wing in George Russell's mirror.
[39:17.360 -> 39:18.960] Good. Good.
[39:18.960 -> 39:25.360] I'm all for it. I'm bored. Listen, I don't care what team it is, right? This isn't just a Mercedes thing
[39:25.360 -> 39:31.480] or anything. Let teammates fight. Let them be spicy. I don't want nicey-nicey teammates.
[39:31.480 -> 39:35.760] I want prime Hamilton-Rosberg. I want that in my life.
[39:35.760 -> 39:40.600] No, God, no one wants that. No one who's ever supported Mercedes wants that. Antonia, do
[39:40.600 -> 39:49.520] you want that? I have to say, I really kind of do. It's really, when I was privileged enough to be at Monza
[39:50.360 -> 39:52.840] and seeing the Ferraris battle it out,
[39:52.840 -> 39:54.760] I was like, oh, brilliant.
[39:54.760 -> 39:57.040] And the McLarens, and the McLarens as well, yeah.
[39:57.040 -> 39:59.280] Well, that's the thing, I was screaming at them,
[39:59.280 -> 40:00.720] literally screaming at them, going,
[40:00.720 -> 40:04.440] you idiot, you're gonna take each other out.
[40:04.440 -> 40:08.880] Because at one point they pretty much were, but it adds so much excitement.
[40:08.880 -> 40:13.200] And that's, that's why, like, it's just the wheel to wheel racing that in every
[40:13.200 -> 40:16.800] aspect recently, we've been denied of it, obviously because of the single team
[40:16.800 -> 40:21.320] dominance, but also because you don't get the within team rivalries, the drivers
[40:21.320 -> 40:25.600] are so altruistic about the greater good for their team and it's like
[40:25.600 -> 40:29.200] no, do you want to win or not? Take him out! Brilliant!
[40:29.200 -> 40:34.760] But Hamilton's too, I think, too long in the tooth, to be honest. He's a bit too much of
[40:34.760 -> 40:38.600] a grown-up to have just stuck his nose up the inside of his teammate when they're still
[40:38.600 -> 40:43.080] pretending, given that they're not fighting for a drivers' championship this season, he's
[40:43.080 -> 40:45.520] still pretending to kind of be all nicey-nicey.
[40:45.700 -> 40:50.400] So he never like shoved the nose in, but he was driving in an intimidating manner.
[40:50.400 -> 40:55.920] He was making sure that the team knew and the world knew that he was faster.
[40:55.920 -> 41:02.740] He was faster as well, and when they arrived at that battle, he had tires and George Russell didn't really.
[41:02.860 -> 41:07.360] So in a lot of ways from a Mercedes point of view,
[41:07.360 -> 41:13.320] the wrong car arrived at that battle first for whatever reason. But I'm just saying,
[41:13.320 -> 41:18.400] Matt. I'm just saying Lewis Hamilton wasn't innocent. He wasn't being all teamy teamy.
[41:18.400 -> 41:23.880] You could argue that he put his younger teammate under enough pressure to force an error. So
[41:23.880 -> 41:25.760] I think that was Russell
[41:25.760 -> 41:32.000] and Hamilton racing each other all race long. Heat kitchen is what I would say to that particular
[41:32.000 -> 41:34.960] situation. If you can't stand the heat, get out the kitchen.
[41:34.960 -> 41:36.560] Yeah, but this is the thing.
[41:36.560 -> 41:38.080] That must be a very American saying.
[41:38.080 -> 41:42.640] But the thing is, it's a passive aggressive kitchen because on the surface of it,
[41:42.640 -> 41:48.680] they're teammates and it's all very nicey-nicey, but I think George Russell is doing everything he can to make sure he's
[41:48.680 -> 41:52.160] ahead of Lewis Hamilton. And I think that's why he runs his qualifying setups, to give
[41:52.160 -> 41:57.560] himself a leg up. But I think Lewis Hamilton on a very quiet level is doing the same to
[41:57.560 -> 42:02.480] George Russell. That rivalry is bubbling up, Rankin. It's bubbling up.
[42:02.480 -> 42:07.320] We have been robbed as an international F1 fan base.
[42:07.360 -> 42:08.960] We've been robbed, right,
[42:08.960 -> 42:11.280] of having Mercedes at the front of the grid.
[42:11.280 -> 42:15.040] Because I was saying before George moved to Mercedes,
[42:15.040 -> 42:16.320] once it was announced, I went,
[42:16.320 -> 42:18.120] if this Mercedes is dominant,
[42:18.120 -> 42:20.000] we've got two British drivers
[42:20.000 -> 42:21.920] who are both incredibly motivated.
[42:21.920 -> 42:24.600] You've got George who, to this day, this remains true,
[42:24.600 -> 42:26.100] who is incredibly hungry,
[42:26.100 -> 42:28.300] who really wants to prove himself.
[42:28.300 -> 42:29.800] And there is Lewis,
[42:29.800 -> 42:31.920] who doesn't want to do what he did to Alonzo,
[42:31.920 -> 42:33.400] which has come in really, really good
[42:33.400 -> 42:36.980] and show up the seasoned professional.
[42:36.980 -> 42:39.880] And I just think if they were both in a position
[42:39.880 -> 42:41.860] where they're both pushing for a race win
[42:41.860 -> 42:44.720] at the same time, it would be carnage.
[42:44.720 -> 42:46.320] I don't think that Lewis would
[42:46.320 -> 42:52.160] have any qualms at all about getting his elbows out against George and defending himself easily.
[42:52.160 -> 42:56.640] And I think it would be phenomenal. I think it would be such a great battle, you know,
[42:56.640 -> 43:01.600] two Brits completely just blitzing each other. It'd be fantastic. I'd love to see that.
[43:01.600 -> 43:07.520] 2024, if Mercedes are in contention, Dan, Mercedes, they need to do what Red Bull do.
[43:07.520 -> 43:09.280] They need to do what Red Bull do.
[43:09.280 -> 43:11.480] Pick a number one.
[43:11.480 -> 43:13.840] Get the number two out of the way when necessary.
[43:13.840 -> 43:18.520] Listen, don't talk to me about teammates and being nicey-nicey, because I've seen you at
[43:18.520 -> 43:20.160] the Myst Apex karting.
[43:20.160 -> 43:23.120] As soon as your visor goes down, you're trying to kill everyone else on that track.
[43:23.120 -> 43:24.600] Not kill, just like...
[43:24.600 -> 43:25.600] Not on purpose. Yeah, and then soon afterwards, you're trying to kill everyone else on that track. Not kill, just like... Not on purpose.
[43:25.600 -> 43:28.320] Yeah and then soon afterwards you're trying to buy us all beers.
[43:28.320 -> 43:32.000] Yeah I'm just facilitating their demise. You know, if they die they die.
[43:32.000 -> 43:34.240] But you know that's not the primary aim.
[43:34.800 -> 43:36.560] Don't, because I nearly did. I nearly did.
[43:36.560 -> 43:37.680] Oh true, yeah good point.
[43:38.240 -> 43:40.160] You nearly got your wish Spanners.
[43:40.160 -> 43:41.920] There's no friends on a racetrack mate.
[43:41.920 -> 43:46.080] Yes there is. Right, Dan Dury, right, I'm going to shame you right now because at a Missed
[43:46.080 -> 43:51.900] Apex karting event, young Antonio Rankin here was thrown from a kart after hitting someone
[43:51.900 -> 43:57.520] in a very high speed section. And this little hard man, Dan Dury here, who tries to be all
[43:57.520 -> 44:03.100] like, you know, I don't care about anyone, gave up his race to pull alongside the ragdoll
[44:03.100 -> 44:06.080] corpse looking entity that was Antonioia Rankine on the track.
[44:06.080 -> 44:11.360] You pulled your car alongside to make sure that no one else hit her and you sir are a legend for
[44:11.360 -> 44:16.720] doing that. Listen even when I'm on the track mate that dad light I'm all about. It kicks in
[44:16.720 -> 44:31.960] doesn't it? It absolutely does kick in. All right let's move on. Difficult weekend for Red Bull Racing. So we should have, you know, no problem in exploiting
[44:31.960 -> 44:38.980] and pulling some information by ex-Red Bull Racing employee Dan Dury. Dan, I'm so sorry
[44:38.980 -> 44:43.580] that the one weekend we get you on here for a race review is when, you know, they've had
[44:43.580 -> 44:49.560] the biggest struggles. But I'm sure you can find a way to fight through the tears by looking at, say, the
[44:49.560 -> 44:53.200] championship table, but a very difficult weekend for Red Bull.
[44:53.200 -> 44:58.200] Yeah, oh no, we only won the last 14 races in a row, woe is us.
[44:58.200 -> 44:59.200] Yeah, it's bad.
[44:59.200 -> 45:06.480] Oh dear, yeah, it was, it was a interesting weekend for the Red Bull. I think we alluded to it earlier.
[45:07.920 -> 45:11.920] I don't think it's got anything to do with the technical directive or anything like that. I think
[45:11.920 -> 45:16.960] it's just Singapore is a bit of a, you know, like a, what do they call it, like a boogie track or
[45:16.960 -> 45:22.560] whatever for the Red Bull. They never seem to have done well here, really. Oh, is that it?
[45:23.920 -> 45:25.240] And I thought you were going to come back it. No. And I thought you were
[45:25.240 -> 45:28.160] going to come back at me. Well, I thought you were going to be like, no, Red Bull were
[45:28.160 -> 45:32.400] brilliant, actually. Or we've been robbed by the FIA technical directive. Matt, this
[45:32.400 -> 45:36.320] is very disappointing. I'm trying to start a fight here. I was just thinking you were
[45:36.320 -> 45:40.560] going to go with it's the limitations of the Dutch mentality and the hot topics. What I
[45:40.560 -> 45:48.240] will say, Dan, is you're a Verstappen fan. You could get reprimanded for that.
[45:48.240 -> 45:50.200] You could get a really stern telling off there.
[45:50.200 -> 45:51.960] You could get a slap on the wrist.
[45:51.960 -> 45:52.960] You better check your emails.
[45:52.960 -> 45:55.400] Oh no, how many reprimands is that?
[45:55.400 -> 45:56.720] Dan, right, Dan.
[45:56.720 -> 45:57.720] Yes mate.
[45:57.720 -> 45:59.320] So, you're a Verstappen fan.
[45:59.320 -> 46:00.320] Oh shut up!
[46:00.320 -> 46:01.320] Yes you are.
[46:01.320 -> 46:07.000] For the sake of this podcast, I've listened to you lot for the last god knows how long, yes.
[46:07.000 -> 46:09.000] You're allowed to be a Verstappen fan.
[46:09.000 -> 46:11.000] With my Verstappen poster in the background?
[46:11.000 -> 46:13.000] Yes, I'm an absolute Verstappen fan.
[46:13.000 -> 46:22.000] And you temporarily converted my son into being a Verstappen fan by giving him the end of season memorabilia from Red Bull.
[46:22.000 -> 46:25.040] It did last for a whole season he was rooting for
[46:25.040 -> 46:29.040] Verstappen. I've got a whole shelf full of some other stuff as well so if you need to
[46:29.040 -> 46:33.840] top up... No, I've brainwashed him better now. I didn't brainwash him well enough the
[46:33.840 -> 46:39.080] first time and you got to him but this time I'm prepared. Fair enough. But most Verstappen
[46:39.080 -> 46:45.680] fans all season have spent time trying to protest how good he's been doing when, from my point of view,
[46:45.680 -> 46:49.200] you can't tell how well he's been doing because the car's been, you know, it's been a rocket
[46:49.200 -> 46:54.560] ship, it's been off in the distance. Today, when he hasn't had the car, this is probably his best
[46:54.560 -> 47:01.040] drive of the season. Yeah, you can get complacent when you take pole and you start P1 and you just
[47:01.040 -> 47:08.720] drive off into the distance for, what, 10 races in a row or whatever, you know, can sort of think, how good is this guy really? And it's not until you get him
[47:08.720 -> 47:11.960] back into the pack or whatever and he actually has to earn it, you think, oh, he's not too
[47:11.960 -> 47:14.760] bad actually. Yeah, no, he's all right. I forgot all about that, Max.
[47:14.760 -> 47:21.920] Yeah, he's all right. But you know, it's not all car, Antonio, not all.
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[48:24.640 -> 48:29.160] Yeah, no, I was literally saying this the last time I was on. I think a lot of the issue
[48:29.160 -> 48:32.600] when Max starts in the middle of the field is people just move out of his way because
[48:32.600 -> 48:34.880] they think, oh, my battle's not with Red Bull.
[48:34.880 -> 48:35.880] Good point.
[48:35.880 -> 48:41.080] And today, their battle was, and it was wonderful. It was so great. And obviously, again, like
[48:41.080 -> 48:46.300] we've been saying, it's not an ideal attack for over over tracking. Oh my goodness, I can't get my words out tonight.
[48:46.600 -> 48:51.600] But it was really nice actually to see people get their elbows out against Red Bull.
[48:51.600 -> 48:57.100] We had some really great battles and Perez was just knocking people left, right, center,
[48:57.100 -> 49:00.100] you know, he had elbows, knees and toes out.
[49:00.100 -> 49:01.100] It was fantastic.
[49:01.100 -> 49:10.760] But Antonio, on that, on that, have you, do you know how many people Perez took out because I genuinely lost count. He took out Sonoda
[49:10.760 -> 49:15.260] and then at least two other dive bombs. Yeah it was like bumper cars around him. I'm pretty
[49:15.260 -> 49:19.480] sure like by the end of the race everyone had established a one meter don't go there
[49:19.480 -> 49:27.900] radius just in case because I'm pretty sure with, like, it's like I was saying, they're probably not used to that much wheel to wheel action because if they
[49:27.900 -> 49:32.920] are on any other circuit, any car really might just go, Oh, let me just, I'll
[49:32.920 -> 49:34.880] take that, I don't want to waste tires on this guy.
[49:35.220 -> 49:39.080] And I, it was really nice today actually to have them have a bit of a battle.
[49:39.080 -> 49:41.920] And I was really impressed by the staffers performance today.
[49:41.920 -> 49:46.560] So even though it didn't end in a P1, it was still a great performance.
[49:46.560 -> 49:48.880] So, you know, all of the credit there.
[49:50.040 -> 49:54.900] Yeah, I just get curious because I feel like Red Bull put both of their
[49:54.900 -> 49:57.640] drivers on the opposite strategy.
[49:58.180 -> 50:00.940] And it's a low probability strategy.
[50:01.020 -> 50:07.160] I'm curious where they would have turned out if they'd just gone along with the leaders.
[50:07.160 -> 50:11.460] I wonder what Max would have done starting on the medium tire, being able to use the
[50:11.460 -> 50:13.240] safety car to his advantage.
[50:13.240 -> 50:18.080] But I think realistically, based on what the computer predicted for them, they wound up
[50:18.080 -> 50:21.720] slightly better off than they thought they were going to be.
[50:21.720 -> 50:25.160] So that's more of just a me question, I suppose.
[50:25.720 -> 50:26.840] It's all Yuki's fault.
[50:27.120 -> 50:31.760] He, uh, he, he retired too early before he could cause the lap 30 safety car,
[50:31.760 -> 50:34.080] which, you know, is agreed upon.
[50:34.080 -> 50:36.600] Well, we did have that maths going on during the race.
[50:36.600 -> 50:41.280] So that safety car that first came out could not have been worse for, for Red Bull
[50:41.280 -> 50:48.840] because everyone else was like, yeah, this is a, this is a great time to get off the hard tyre, to get off the medium tyre and go on to the hards yeah
[50:48.840 -> 50:51.960] whereas Red Bull were like this is far too early we're not going to finish the race
[50:51.960 -> 50:56.320] on the medium so if we pit now it's a two-stop. So in the situation they were
[50:56.320 -> 51:00.400] in you even went like if there's another safety car that's not going to help
[51:00.400 -> 51:04.440] because they're still gonna like drop down to like 12 yeah with new tyres but
[51:04.440 -> 51:08.880] it's no good so they need two safety Dan, so we were doing the maths and going well Yuki's already
[51:08.880 -> 51:15.360] out so they can use Lawson once and Perez once so that's two safety cars but after that they'd
[51:15.360 -> 51:21.760] have been out of options. Yeah but Lawson kicked Max out of uh out of was it Q3 so he's not he's
[51:21.760 -> 51:25.720] not towing the company line. Yeah exactly the company line. He's rebelling.
[51:25.720 -> 51:29.720] To be fair what they should do is when someone is out of the race for example like Stroll
[51:29.720 -> 51:35.260] they should have statistical analysis and whack someone in that has the same kind of
[51:35.260 -> 51:40.600] propensity for crashing. You know because if they'd put Latifi in that car I guarantee
[51:40.600 -> 51:42.680] Red Bull would have been sorted.
[51:42.680 -> 51:49.240] Yeah just well Matt this is where Logan Sargent comes in. So, what did we want? As
[51:49.240 -> 51:55.720] well wishes to the American fanbase who wanted a good American driver in F1, we want to not
[51:55.720 -> 52:02.380] hear from Logan Sargent for the next four races. Yet we keep hearing from him. He insists
[52:02.380 -> 52:10.000] upon being heard from. I don't know how you know when the fire truck is going by my window, but you nail it.
[52:10.000 -> 52:15.040] I like it. I like getting into the heart of Brooklyn. It makes us seem like a much more
[52:15.040 -> 52:21.440] international podcast because I'm sure we'll hear some sirens from Dan Drury being in Stevenage
[52:21.440 -> 52:28.640] as well. So don't worry about it. In fact, in Stevenage, every time there's a siren, they all stand up and salute to the Stevenage anthem.
[52:29.360 -> 52:31.920] Sorry, remind me of the question again. I was so distracted by the...
[52:31.920 -> 52:36.640] Logan Sargent. We should not be hearing from him as much as we have been.
[52:36.640 -> 52:41.760] In a normal race, that would have been Lance Stroll, but Aston didn't have the parts to rebuild
[52:41.760 -> 52:46.080] the car. So, so it was down to Sargent to cause some sort of a
[52:46.080 -> 52:51.120] safety car, because we all know you can't go to Singapore without having at least one safety car.
[52:51.120 -> 52:58.560] And it was just, well, you know what, I think it was inevitable. Williams is a tricky car to drive.
[52:58.560 -> 53:10.440] They're not great at managing the tires. This is a terrible circuit for them. And everybody was playing the game of who blinks first for pitting off of the medium
[53:10.440 -> 53:11.440] tire.
[53:11.440 -> 53:16.480] So what it really came down to was who just got their braking point slightly wrong and
[53:16.480 -> 53:18.400] bonked the wall a little bit.
[53:18.400 -> 53:30.520] And to his credit, he got the car into the pit lane and they sent him back on his way. So it wasn't the disaster that we've seen other drivers have in the past.
[53:30.520 -> 53:35.360] But yeah, no, it was an unfortunate way to bring attention to oneself when one is looking
[53:35.360 -> 53:37.040] for a contract for next season.
[53:37.040 -> 53:38.040] Ranko?
[53:38.040 -> 53:42.880] Well, other than the fact that that was probably almost definitely an accidental mistake, I
[53:42.880 -> 53:47.960] mean, we didn't see much from the Williams's for pretty much the rest of the race. I mean, Alex Alban had that incident
[53:47.960 -> 53:53.080] where he stopped on track and then carried on relatively near the end. Um, yeah, lap
[53:53.080 -> 54:01.840] 59. I think he got hit by Perez as well. He did. Funny that. But, but I mean, I mean,
[54:01.840 -> 54:05.520] they're running a very nice livery for the, for this race and a couple more in the future.
[54:05.520 -> 54:08.320] They were probably just thinking, you know what, we've got to give the sponsors something
[54:08.320 -> 54:10.480] and we haven't been on camera yet.
[54:10.480 -> 54:11.480] So.
[54:11.480 -> 54:17.040] Just, just to note, Albon was actually ahead of Lawson when Perez hit him.
[54:17.040 -> 54:24.120] So they were, they were on for those points until, until that disagreement happened.
[54:24.120 -> 54:35.080] Okay. So whilst we're still on Red Bull, we cannot ignore the elephant in the room, which is that Red Bull have been caught cheating for the whole season, Dan,
[54:35.080 -> 54:47.760] and the technical directive is finally laying some justice down. Are you expecting this to continue in Suzuka? No, I'm prepared for my 30 seconds ahead of everyone
[54:47.760 -> 54:54.000] else, Max Verstappen, victory. So no, right, so the technical directive was only started to be
[54:54.000 -> 55:00.160] enforced for this race. This would have been tested in a few races before, right? You don't
[55:00.160 -> 55:09.500] just turn up to one race when they start to enforce it and go okay now's the time we can actually start adhering to the rules. No, you test it
[55:09.500 -> 55:15.220] beforehand when they knew earlier on in the season about it. So I think, excuse me,
[55:15.220 -> 55:20.300] let me get my Red Bull apologist hat on. There we go. And I think it's just a set
[55:20.300 -> 55:24.840] up issue basically. I think it's been documented out there that they had some
[55:24.840 -> 55:28.000] set up issues on the Friday and they were chasing it for the majority of the
[55:28.000 -> 55:32.520] Saturday. They're having issues with it bottoming out and all sorts and and they
[55:32.520 -> 55:37.000] just basically were a bit nowhere today really or this weekend.
[55:37.000 -> 55:43.120] Okay, Dan, I'll just linger on that because they were so nowhere. We've had so many
[55:43.120 -> 55:46.720] different types of track this season and Red Bull have
[55:46.720 -> 55:54.720] been dominant at everything. Street track, low drag, high drag, medium high speed corners,
[55:54.720 -> 56:00.260] street circuits. They were good on Rainbow Road, weren't they? They were good in Bowser's
[56:00.260 -> 56:07.000] Castle over the lava pit. Yet suddenly they looked like a midfield team in Singapore.
[56:07.000 -> 56:11.880] Hang on, let me just check my email that Marco sent me, what the company line is, I've got
[56:11.880 -> 56:14.520] to say. No two street tracks are the same.
[56:14.520 -> 56:19.720] Right, okay, is that the one? Okay, so Matt, you know, is Singapore so drastically different
[56:19.720 -> 56:23.600] that we can't really tell anything from this until we get to Suzuka?
[56:23.600 -> 56:25.280] No, we can tell plenty.
[56:25.280 -> 56:30.160] And in fact, I always feel like you ask these sorts of questions when you want to like run
[56:30.160 -> 56:35.360] away to the runaway and get yourself another drink or something like that, because these
[56:35.360 -> 56:37.360] are the weeds that I live for.
[56:37.360 -> 56:38.080] Go for it, man.
[56:38.720 -> 56:40.480] So Matt's in charge of it.
[56:40.480 -> 56:45.120] Here we go back into the problem that Red Bull had this weekend
[56:45.120 -> 56:51.200] was that they used an old version of Assetto Corsa in their simulation training for the drivers.
[56:51.840 -> 56:57.520] And in that, they hadn't accounted for the fact that a big chunk of the track had actually been
[56:57.520 -> 57:07.320] resurfaced and wasn't as bumpy as they were expecting. So they showed up with essentially the wrong suspension for the race,
[57:07.320 -> 57:14.600] for the racetrack that they found. And then that was compounded by the fact that they need to run,
[57:14.600 -> 57:19.360] for the parts of the track that were still bumpy, a higher ride height than they like to. They like,
[57:19.360 -> 57:23.760] they can run lower. And this is all out there. Journalists have written this up. This is not
[57:23.760 -> 57:27.760] my own personal research, but they can run lower than other teams that's
[57:27.760 -> 57:31.840] part of what gives them their advantage but they do have to run higher at the
[57:31.840 -> 57:35.420] street tracks which does take away the advantage in the combination of running
[57:35.420 -> 57:42.120] a too soft suspension with a higher ride height made made the car very peaky and
[57:42.120 -> 57:48.080] then you add to that the high evolution of the track and essentially they
[57:48.080 -> 57:54.400] got themselves into a position where they set up for a racetrack that didn't actually exist.
[57:54.400 -> 58:00.320] And as Dan said, they had massive problems with bottoming the car out, which was then taking away
[58:00.320 -> 58:05.520] from its drivability and robbing both Perez and Verstappen of the confidence they need to
[58:05.520 -> 58:10.320] actually achieve a lap time. Antonia, you look like you want to correct me.
[58:10.880 -> 58:16.640] No, not at all. I actually wanted to completely agree. A circuit like Singapore is very high
[58:16.640 -> 58:20.720] downforce and ideally that means you're going to be as low to the ground as possible. Obviously,
[58:20.720 -> 58:29.620] as we know in these ground effect cars, the flaw is huge with ensuring that these cars are responsive around these difficult corners. You don't want to
[58:29.620 -> 58:34.660] have a twitchy car at a circuit like this, as Perez seems to have learned with his twitching
[58:34.660 -> 58:40.700] towards people this race. But, you know, it does make a really big difference. So having
[58:40.700 -> 58:45.600] that this weekend is so far from ideal. and that's probably why we saw some real issues
[58:45.600 -> 58:50.000] with the performance and the speed generally speaking. Obviously they've brought I believe
[58:50.000 -> 58:55.360] a rear wing upgrade, a small tweak just for the purpose of this circuit for this weekend.
[58:56.160 -> 59:02.240] But yeah, that's why we saw such a big difference because aerodynamically these floors are so
[59:02.240 -> 59:05.960] important for just sucking the car to the ground and on a high downforce
[59:05.960 -> 59:10.940] circuit you want a responsive car that is stuck to the ground.
[59:10.940 -> 59:15.680] We don't know whether the technical directive has definitely affected them or not, but...
[59:15.680 -> 59:18.080] Yeah we do, it hasn't.
[59:18.080 -> 59:26.720] I was pre-Monza and me and Matt were talking to people, and we had conversations, Matt. We
[59:26.720 -> 59:32.720] were talking to people pre-Monza, and so we were expecting this effect where teams couldn't
[59:32.720 -> 59:41.120] use the flexible things that had been bypassing certain FIA tests. We were expecting in Monza
[59:41.120 -> 59:46.240] that that would have an effect. And we didn't really see a big one, but Red Bull didn't look
[59:46.240 -> 59:50.240] as comfortable in Monza compared to the rest. And we kind of put that down to track specific things.
[59:50.240 -> 59:55.440] Well, you know, Ferrari will look good there. Williams don't have any downforce,
[59:55.440 -> 01:00:00.000] they're slippery. So they can just, you know, it's a series of seven rocket launches per lap.
[01:00:01.040 -> 01:00:05.920] And then we come to Singapore and it kind of has affected them. So it's a little bit
[01:00:05.920 -> 01:00:11.640] understandable for the general public, Dan, surely you can understand how when these technical
[01:00:11.640 -> 01:00:18.600] directives come out, and it's predicted that it might affect certain teams, and when F1
[01:00:18.600 -> 01:00:25.920] as a whole has a history of targeting the favourite toys of teams that are running away, it does kind of sound like
[01:00:25.920 -> 01:00:33.120] 2 plus 2 equals technical directive nerfing Red Bull. I don't think it's the maddest
[01:00:33.120 -> 01:00:35.160] conspiracy theory out there, that's all.
[01:00:35.160 -> 01:00:43.360] Oh no, I'm all about the conspiracy theories, go for it. I live for it. But you know what
[01:00:43.360 -> 01:00:45.000] would make this a lot easier?
[01:00:45.000 -> 01:00:48.200] If we were actually allowed to view the technical directives, wouldn't that be great?
[01:00:48.200 -> 01:00:50.900] Oh, oh, preach, preach.
[01:00:50.900 -> 01:00:52.080] Speak my language here.
[01:00:52.080 -> 01:00:53.080] It's so frustrating.
[01:00:53.080 -> 01:00:57.280] I read this technical directive before Monza.
[01:00:57.280 -> 01:00:58.280] Did you?
[01:00:58.280 -> 01:01:03.360] Yes, and I can't say how, you know, because of people's jobs.
[01:01:03.360 -> 01:01:05.520] I worked in Red Bull, I'm sure people know this,
[01:01:05.520 -> 01:01:09.840] I worked for Red Bull for six years in a senior position. Do you know how many
[01:01:09.840 -> 01:01:13.360] technical directives I got sight of already? I'm gonna say zero then based on
[01:01:13.360 -> 01:01:18.520] correct. I never saw a single one. The first I knew about most technical
[01:01:18.520 -> 01:01:23.680] directives were when it was on Autosport. If you sign an ND I'll send you what I
[01:01:23.680 -> 01:01:26.440] got but I will lose friends if you share
[01:01:26.440 -> 01:01:32.960] with anyone it. So there you go, I can send you one. But that is why, and I'm no one,
[01:01:32.960 -> 01:01:37.440] I don't have any special insight, I'm looking at it and I can't understand most of it, but
[01:01:37.440 -> 01:01:42.720] it looked to me like we should be expecting a drop-off in Red Bull form, and we saw it.
[01:01:42.720 -> 01:01:50.000] So as far as I'm concerned, I was expecting a thing and it happened. So I'm very much looking forward to Suzuka to see what unfolds.
[01:01:53.760 -> 01:01:58.560] Oh, we like to play a game on Mr Apex podcast where we're kind of,
[01:01:58.560 -> 01:02:01.520] we're the referee and we like to assign blame.
[01:02:02.240 -> 01:02:03.440] Whose fault is it?
[01:02:03.520 -> 01:02:07.280] we like to assign blame. Whose fault is it?
[01:02:15.040 -> 01:02:20.160] So we could play whose fault is it with Perez when he hit Sonoda. It's Perez's fault. We could play whose fault it is when Perez hit Albon. It's Perez's fault. We could play whose fault is it
[01:02:20.160 -> 01:02:30.800] when Perez hit whoever else he hit this weekend. I'm a Perez fan but my goodness what a maniac and a menace Sergio Perez was on track. I think we have a couple of more interesting ones.
[01:02:30.800 -> 01:02:37.600] So let's talk about Lewis Hamilton at the beginning of the race. Antonio he overtook
[01:02:37.600 -> 01:02:43.760] Lando Norris, was challenging George Russell. There was not enough room for him on the outside.
[01:02:43.760 -> 01:02:45.600] He took the mandated run-off,
[01:02:45.600 -> 01:02:51.040] went outside the bollards, ended up ahead of Russell and then ended up giving, I have to say
[01:02:51.040 -> 01:02:56.400] not at the FIA's request but by the team's request, two places back. Was he at fault?
[01:02:56.960 -> 01:03:02.720] Yeah. Oh. Yeah, I mean, I'm so sorry. That's so uninteresting. I'll debate it a bit first and
[01:03:02.720 -> 01:03:05.360] then reach the same conclusion. Okay, go on.
[01:03:05.360 -> 01:03:07.600] I think it was really cut and dry with that one, to be honest.
[01:03:07.600 -> 01:03:07.920] I disagree.
[01:03:07.920 -> 01:03:09.200] I think he just overshot it.
[01:03:11.360 -> 01:03:16.160] If I'm completely honest, I do think giving two places back was definitely a bit overcautious,
[01:03:16.160 -> 01:03:19.360] but by the looks of it, you know, Lando did have a very good race,
[01:03:19.360 -> 01:03:23.920] so I think he would have ended up back in front anyway. Yeah, no, I think...
[01:03:27.400 -> 01:03:30.600] I can see why there's a little bit of debate in it, but as far as I'm concerned, it was a lap one incident.
[01:03:30.600 -> 01:03:35.680] He was a little bit overdramatic, veering off course. I don't think he was forced that
[01:03:35.680 -> 01:03:41.000] wide. I do think he could have just kind of gone, oh, that's a bit wide. I've been forced
[01:03:41.000 -> 01:03:50.400] off and then, you know, just quickly nipped back on rather, you know, he didn't have to go so deep that he then had to take the little escape road route to do so.
[01:03:50.400 -> 01:03:56.080] I think it's a bit more black and white than that. My only, my defense there would be once you decide
[01:03:56.080 -> 01:04:02.720] to leave the track on a turn one chicane, and most of the turn one chicanes like Sochi, Interlagos,
[01:04:02.720 -> 01:04:05.040] they all have a little kind of runoff kind of
[01:04:05.040 -> 01:04:08.820] bollard area, Matt, where they go, right, if something goes wrong and you have to
[01:04:08.820 -> 01:04:14.480] leave the track, you can, but you have to take this little squiggly route. Right.
[01:04:14.480 -> 01:04:20.360] You got to follow the rat maze. Yeah, no, he was fully ahead of Norris.
[01:04:20.360 -> 01:04:26.180] Giving the place back to Norris didn't make sense to me in the slightest. I'm not
[01:04:26.180 -> 01:04:34.820] sure it had a huge ultimate impact on the race because the safety car saw Leclerc losing
[01:04:34.820 -> 01:04:41.620] places anyway, but it potentially did. And more to the point, like if you're Mercedes,
[01:04:41.620 -> 01:04:46.420] why do you not want to adjudicate that? Why do you not want clarity there?
[01:04:46.420 -> 01:04:49.760] The worst thing that's going to happen is a five second penalty.
[01:04:49.760 -> 01:04:55.160] And as Perez showed us due to the five second penalty he got for banging Albin out of the
[01:04:55.160 -> 01:04:59.400] points, five second penalties are essentially meaningless.
[01:04:59.400 -> 01:05:02.480] If you're Ferrari or Mercedes or Red Bull, they just don't matter.
[01:05:02.480 -> 01:05:13.360] You can just hit people and get away with it. You can skip turns and just get away with it. And there's no catching up for the victimized driver.
[01:05:13.360 -> 01:05:18.720] Ranko, right. And when Alonso does it, he's done it twice. He did it in Tlalgo,
[01:05:18.720 -> 01:05:23.600] he did it at Sochi. People were saying he was a genius for finding a loophole.
[01:05:23.600 -> 01:05:26.840] Why is Hamilton then having to give two places back?
[01:05:27.280 -> 01:05:32.120] Yeah, like I said, it was definitely a definite overcautious step.
[01:05:32.120 -> 01:05:35.680] To be honest, I think obviously Lando was going to throw up a stink on the radio
[01:05:35.680 -> 01:05:37.960] because they see an inch, they take a mile.
[01:05:38.400 -> 01:05:40.040] But interesting what Matt was saying.
[01:05:40.040 -> 01:05:43.280] I think you can do quite a lot of things with especially with these five second
[01:05:43.280 -> 01:05:47.920] penalties that don't have a lot of punishment really involved and get away with them. But normally
[01:05:47.920 -> 01:05:52.400] speaking, you can, in these top teams, I've noticed the last couple of weekends, this weekend,
[01:05:52.400 -> 01:05:56.960] especially, you can get away with a lot of things and not get a penalty. You know, you can impede
[01:05:56.960 -> 01:06:02.400] someone in quali, you can stop at the end of the pit lane, no penalty. It really is insane what you
[01:06:02.400 -> 01:06:09.760] can get away with. I think it was no question that, yeah, he had an optimistic look around the outside of George
[01:06:09.760 -> 01:06:16.560] Russell. Russell closed the door and by the rules that have been laid out over the last season or so,
[01:06:16.560 -> 01:06:22.240] he wasn't alongside far enough to own any of that corner. So Russell can usher him off track,
[01:06:22.240 -> 01:06:26.000] and under the circumstances of lap one in a chicane,
[01:06:26.000 -> 01:06:28.080] then he had to go and do the runoff.
[01:06:28.080 -> 01:06:31.520] But the move was complete around the side of Lando Norris.
[01:06:31.520 -> 01:06:36.440] And I think to me, the key thing is he didn't get a penalty from the FIA.
[01:06:36.440 -> 01:06:44.720] Mercedes, I think, are just a little bit shackled and shell-shocked by past stewarding decisions
[01:06:44.720 -> 01:06:45.360] and just went,
[01:06:45.360 -> 01:06:47.880] do you know what, we'd best just give that place back,
[01:06:47.880 -> 01:06:51.000] otherwise we're going to end up with something.
[01:06:51.000 -> 01:06:53.680] But we can turn our attention to Dan for the next,
[01:06:53.680 -> 01:06:56.320] whose fault is it? Verstappen.
[01:06:56.320 -> 01:06:58.320] Max Verstappen. Saturday.
[01:06:58.320 -> 01:06:59.320] He's done nothing wrong.
[01:06:59.320 -> 01:07:02.840] Max Verstappen, on a Saturday morning,
[01:07:02.840 -> 01:07:07.080] it was a time of qualifying, and Max Verstappen went to Saturday morning. It was a time of qualifying and Max Verstappen went
[01:07:07.080 -> 01:07:15.200] to war with the pit lane, cut off Logan Sargent and also wiped out his own teammate Yuki Tsunoda.
[01:07:15.200 -> 01:07:22.580] Why didn't he get a penalty for that when everybody else on earth gets a grid drop for
[01:07:22.580 -> 01:07:28.080] impeding and qualifying? FIA bull? Am I right Dan?
[01:07:28.080 -> 01:07:33.320] Yeah I feel like on principle I have to stand up and say you know Max did
[01:07:33.320 -> 01:07:38.920] nothing wrong but the reality is... Go for it, do it, we won't mind. Max did
[01:07:38.920 -> 01:07:50.080] nothing wrong. I'm sick and tired of being invited onto this have foesie podcast. Co-LH am I right? Co-LH. Yeah, the steward in was all over the place this weekend.
[01:07:50.640 -> 01:07:58.320] You got Alpha Tauri not turning up to the hearing or whatever because they never got a formal
[01:07:58.320 -> 01:08:05.000] request. Aston Martin, their request came through WhatsApp. Is that right? Yeah, yeah. Is that why they didn't turn up?
[01:08:05.000 -> 01:08:06.000] Alpha Tauris did too.
[01:08:06.000 -> 01:08:12.000] So I wondered whether Aston Martin, Dan, were too busy kind of, you know, picking bits of
[01:08:12.000 -> 01:08:14.000] green out of the wall.
[01:08:14.000 -> 01:08:15.000] I think they were.
[01:08:15.000 -> 01:08:16.000] Yeah.
[01:08:16.000 -> 01:08:20.000] Because the representative arrived after the hearing or whatever, but they at least made
[01:08:20.000 -> 01:08:22.000] the attempt to turn up, right?
[01:08:22.000 -> 01:08:25.760] But yeah, like everything about the FIA was all over the
[01:08:25.760 -> 01:08:31.360] weekend all over the everywhere was it like me trying to talk right now it was a complete shambles
[01:08:32.000 -> 01:08:38.880] I don't know why Max got away with those I don't know if it's because the FIA saw through his
[01:08:38.880 -> 01:08:50.080] disguise of trying to do a last first challenge and they challenge. And they were like, no Max, we're not letting you do that. But yeah, it was everywhere this weekend. It's indefensible.
[01:08:50.080 -> 01:08:54.040] I think it was. And Matt, this is what we talked about, isn't it? The Michael Jordan effect,
[01:08:54.040 -> 01:08:57.920] you know, this is why Man United, you know, it was hard to get penalties at Old Trafford. And
[01:08:57.920 -> 01:09:06.000] what don't don't don't adhere to don't assign to malice what can be assigned to...
[01:09:06.000 -> 01:09:07.280] It's been very incompetent.
[01:09:07.280 -> 01:09:10.240] It's not incompetence, but it's like the big player effect.
[01:09:10.880 -> 01:09:16.320] Giving Max Verstappen a penalty when he was already having a nightmare weekend
[01:09:16.320 -> 01:09:22.160] would have set a hornet's nest of Red Bull personnel into the stewards office.
[01:09:22.160 -> 01:09:24.720] And I just, I do wonder, Antonio, you know,
[01:09:24.720 -> 01:09:29.520] how immune is the stewards office to that kind of pressure? Because the two teams on the grid that
[01:09:29.520 -> 01:09:35.200] are good at this is Red Bull and Aston Martin. And they are the two teams that get away with the most.
[01:09:35.840 -> 01:09:39.120] Yeah, because I was gonna say, you know, it would be mean to kick them while they're down,
[01:09:39.120 -> 01:09:44.480] but equally, the stewards shouldn't care who's down. It sounds really weird. But if it doesn't
[01:09:44.480 -> 01:09:45.200] matter if a team's
[01:09:45.200 -> 01:09:51.640] having a bad weekend, an offence should be cut and dry. I was alluding to it earlier,
[01:09:51.640 -> 01:09:55.960] I was really surprised that there weren't a couple of penalties in there, to be honest,
[01:09:55.960 -> 01:10:01.400] for Max. I thought that that kind of thing can be very black and white, right or wrong,
[01:10:01.400 -> 01:10:07.600] especially with all of the footage we have nowadays of dash cams, I guess, if that's what, onboard cam.
[01:10:07.600 -> 01:10:09.960] Dash cams? Are you a Russian mobster?
[01:10:09.960 -> 01:10:10.800] You mean onboards?
[01:10:10.800 -> 01:10:12.120] Completely lost the word for that there,
[01:10:12.120 -> 01:10:14.120] but you know, we have every angle
[01:10:14.120 -> 01:10:16.920] and there was some very clear cutting up going on there
[01:10:16.920 -> 01:10:18.640] and I was surprised that that wasn't penalized,
[01:10:18.640 -> 01:10:21.320] to be honest, but, and yeah, we can look at it now
[01:10:21.320 -> 01:10:22.760] and say, well, it didn't make much of a difference
[01:10:22.760 -> 01:10:24.200] because Max didn't have a great weekend,
[01:10:24.200 -> 01:10:26.560] but I don't think it should come down to that. You know, I think we
[01:10:26.560 -> 01:10:30.720] should say if an offence is an offence, it would be like saying, you know, you know what, Williams,
[01:10:30.720 -> 01:10:34.720] do whatever you want, take out whoever you want, you're going to be back at the grid anyway.
[01:10:34.720 -> 01:10:38.800] Doesn't matter, do whatever you want, you know, it wouldn't make sense. So I think there should
[01:10:38.800 -> 01:10:42.400] have been a couple of penalties in there, but the decisions have been already made.
[01:10:42.600 -> 01:10:47.200] there, but the decisions have been already made.
[01:10:49.440 -> 01:10:55.720] It is time for any other business, Matt. And I know, I know you have a love for a certain driver and, and it's a driver that doesn't
[01:10:55.720 -> 01:10:56.960] always have a great weekend.
[01:10:56.960 -> 01:11:06.400] But despite the flames that went up in Esteban Ocon's car, that may or may not have been caused by him carrying around a
[01:11:06.400 -> 01:11:14.560] fully lit birthday cake with many, many candles. He actually had a great weekend. He had a great
[01:11:14.560 -> 01:11:24.240] race, wheel to wheel. He schooled Alonso and Perez on a weekend where Alpine actually turned up,
[01:11:26.960 -> 01:11:30.560] and Perez on a weekend where Alpine actually turned up, having been largely anonymous. So a good weekend for Esteban Ocon, despite the results.
[01:11:31.440 -> 01:11:37.200] Yeah, I mean, until his gearbox lunched itself, that was pretty good. I'm laughing because we
[01:11:37.200 -> 01:11:41.280] have Dan on the show, and I'm sure he knows a thing or two about Renault engines and flames.
[01:11:41.840 -> 01:11:42.400] Oh, please.
[01:11:43.200 -> 01:11:44.480] Oh, that was your ear, Roman.
[01:11:44.480 -> 01:11:49.400] PTSD is kicking in. But the thing that sticks
[01:11:49.400 -> 01:11:53.480] out to me, and this is funny, this is sort of a theme, because I'm going to go to Carlos Sainz,
[01:11:53.480 -> 01:11:57.800] because I've long been a proponent of Sainz, even when he was Max's teammate back in the
[01:11:57.800 -> 01:12:06.640] Alpha or the Tararaso days back then. I've always felt like he's sort of not been taken as seriously as maybe people
[01:12:06.640 -> 01:12:14.320] should have taken him. And you look at like the way he, on his own initiative, backed Lando up
[01:12:14.320 -> 01:12:20.400] into the DRS zone so that Lando could fight successfully with the Mercs to keep himself ahead.
[01:12:20.400 -> 01:12:26.560] And you're like, well, there's a driver who is in control of himself and of his car.
[01:12:26.560 -> 01:12:30.520] We saw it qualifying the way he slowed down in the middle sector to have the tires for
[01:12:30.520 -> 01:12:32.760] the last sector to take pole.
[01:12:32.760 -> 01:12:35.560] He didn't make a mistake, which Leclerc did.
[01:12:35.560 -> 01:12:40.560] And if I look at Ocon's driving today, and I look at his driving in Spa, where he also
[01:12:40.560 -> 01:12:48.080] had some really lovely overtakes, and you're like, these are drivers that have matured, they've taken,
[01:12:48.560 -> 01:12:52.200] they've taken a step. And it stands out when you look at
[01:12:52.200 -> 01:12:55.200] their teammates, when you look at LeClerc, LeClerc is still to
[01:12:55.200 -> 01:12:59.120] me a driver that has to overdrive the car to feel like
[01:12:59.120 -> 01:13:06.000] he's going fast. He's missing that final step to become a complete driver.
[01:13:06.000 -> 01:13:09.300] Science may not be as fast as LeCerc on raw pace,
[01:13:09.300 -> 01:13:13.200] but it kind of doesn't matter if you're going to make the mistakes
[01:13:13.200 -> 01:13:17.900] that take you out when it's all on the line.
[01:13:17.900 -> 01:13:21.800] Exactly. If you are not finishing the race, it doesn't matter how fast you were.
[01:13:21.800 -> 01:13:23.500] You could have been on the fastest lap,
[01:13:23.500 -> 01:13:27.780] and if you're crashing out halfway through it, it makes no difference. And this
[01:13:27.780 -> 01:13:32.400] is why I will completely maintain that Sainz and Leclerc are amongst the best driver lineup
[01:13:32.400 -> 01:13:37.960] on the grid, because you've got all of the crazy, you know, hot-headedness of Leclerc
[01:13:37.960 -> 01:13:46.800] with this real understated and underappreciated maturity and intelligence and consistency in Carlos's driving. If you look
[01:13:46.800 -> 01:13:52.960] historically, especially within his performances at Ferrari, a lot of Carlos's inconsistent results
[01:13:52.960 -> 01:13:58.960] have stemmed from strategic errors, problems with the car. He himself, and I think he's shown this
[01:13:58.960 -> 01:14:08.000] like you said Matt, throughout his career, he is an incredibly reliable driver and he will always maximize the car when given the opportunity.
[01:14:08.000 -> 01:14:15.000] And I've said this before, there is a big difference between a mature, intelligent driver and a good driver.
[01:14:15.000 -> 01:14:20.000] And signs in his behavior to date showed that driving intelligence, that real race craft,
[01:14:20.000 -> 01:14:25.520] backing up, deliberately backing up, because the team questioned it. They said, Lando is
[01:14:25.520 -> 01:14:32.880] at point eight, he is within DRS. And he went, I know that's on purpose. It was a real mature
[01:14:32.880 -> 01:14:36.800] drive. He knew exactly what he was doing at every single point of the race.
[01:14:36.800 -> 01:14:41.360] I'm sort of glad we've circled back to Carlos Sainz because like, this is such a good win.
[01:14:42.000 -> 01:14:48.560] It's such a good win. It's such a good win. He did like, he did like from Friday to Saturday,
[01:14:48.560 -> 01:14:56.720] so set up, preparation, qualifying, bossing the race, lights to flag, slightly cheesy and corny
[01:14:56.720 -> 01:15:02.000] celebration, harking back to a meme that he's created that his PR people have told him is good,
[01:15:02.000 -> 01:15:05.400] you know, doing his whole smooth operator thing. The only
[01:15:05.400 -> 01:15:12.800] slight thing I would question there, Antonio, is did he really deliberately back up so that
[01:15:12.800 -> 01:15:16.600] Lando Norris could have the DRS or is that all the pace he had and he was just clever
[01:15:16.600 -> 01:15:23.200] enough to kind of know that that would benefit him? Because he was pushing. He was pushing,
[01:15:23.200 -> 01:15:25.560] Antonio. I don't know how much more
[01:15:25.560 -> 01:15:30.960] he had left. If that race was another 10 laps, I don't think he had it.
[01:15:30.960 -> 01:15:33.600] I know what you're doing and I'm not going to rise to the bait.
[01:15:33.600 -> 01:15:37.080] Rise to it. That's the whole point of the show. Rise to the bait.
[01:15:37.080 -> 01:15:42.160] You're like my little brother, like prodding me until I bite back and I'm sat there like,
[01:15:42.160 -> 01:15:44.240] I'm not going to react to this.
[01:15:44.240 -> 01:15:47.000] But you are, so let's go.
[01:15:47.000 -> 01:15:49.000] You got the little bit right.
[01:15:49.000 -> 01:15:52.000] Aww don't size shame Dan, we can all do that.
[01:15:52.000 -> 01:15:54.000] We can all do that Dan.
[01:15:54.000 -> 01:15:57.000] If I jump on the spanners train, I'm gonna kick him down.
[01:15:57.000 -> 01:15:59.000] We can all talk about size Dan.
[01:15:59.000 -> 01:16:03.000] But no, I honestly think Signs came into this and he went,
[01:16:03.000 -> 01:16:08.000] you know what, if my team are with me today, I'm going to give them the absolute best version of me I possibly can.
[01:16:08.000 -> 01:16:14.880] He was fantastic. He really was. And it worked because as soon as Lando was within the DRS,
[01:16:14.880 -> 01:16:19.960] it was fantastic because it worked perfectly. Because not a few laps later, they were all
[01:16:19.960 -> 01:16:27.920] sparring on behind him as he zoomed off literally into the distance. It was such good race craft.
[01:16:27.920 -> 01:16:34.880] It was so good to see. It was a really, really excellent drive. Honestly, great to watch.
[01:16:34.880 -> 01:16:35.880] Really great to watch.
[01:16:35.880 -> 01:16:43.240] I honestly think that it was serendipitous, wasn't it? It was John Cusack on an ice rink
[01:16:43.240 -> 01:16:45.200] wondering if he'd made a mistake
[01:16:45.200 -> 01:16:51.080] and then Kate Beckinsale's glove just lands on the ice rink and then it was just, it was
[01:16:51.080 -> 01:16:52.080] just meant to be.
[01:16:52.080 -> 01:16:55.080] I can't believe you've seen that movie. How are you going to understand that reference?
[01:16:55.080 -> 01:16:56.640] I can't believe you've seen that movie.
[01:16:56.640 -> 01:16:59.780] I said what the movie is serendipitous. I've seen that film like 10 times. It's like my
[01:16:59.780 -> 01:17:00.780] favourite film.
[01:17:00.780 -> 01:17:04.240] Oh, I thought you just were using the word serendipitous. I thought that's a big word
[01:17:04.240 -> 01:17:05.280] for you.
[01:17:05.280 -> 01:17:06.280] No!
[01:17:06.280 -> 01:17:07.280] It's a film...
[01:17:07.280 -> 01:17:08.280] What?
[01:17:08.280 -> 01:17:09.280] That's so mean!
[01:17:09.280 -> 01:17:13.520] Antonia, I've just realised that film came out before you were born, so I'm going to
[01:17:13.520 -> 01:17:14.520] let you off.
[01:17:14.520 -> 01:17:15.520] Exactly!
[01:17:15.520 -> 01:17:20.600] That is a 2001 film, and I still think of that as a normal film. So, age shaming aside,
[01:17:20.600 -> 01:17:27.920] I think we move on to the podium. And this is the bit where we start giving out awards and it
[01:17:27.920 -> 01:17:33.520] gives us an opportunity to pick up some events from the race that we may or may not have missed.
[01:17:33.520 -> 01:17:38.720] But firstly I'd love to say thank you for listening to Mr Apex podcast and given that we've been
[01:17:38.720 -> 01:17:45.440] waffling for a good 90 minutes or so and you've put up with Antonia hitting her mic three or four times during this
[01:17:45.440 -> 01:17:51.520] podcast. If you've survived this long, you might want to consider supporting us on Patreon because
[01:17:51.520 -> 01:17:58.080] we are only here because of our patrons. We love our patrons. We have a patron forum. We do an ad
[01:17:58.080 -> 01:18:04.240] free feed for our patrons and also we do some extra content on most of the race weekends on a
[01:18:04.240 -> 01:18:05.200] Friday,
[01:18:05.200 -> 01:18:07.760] which is a bit more kind of personal and relaxed.
[01:18:07.760 -> 01:18:11.120] And this week, me and Matt were talking about rice.
[01:18:11.120 -> 01:18:12.920] I'm not really selling it.
[01:18:12.920 -> 01:18:15.280] So please support us with money
[01:18:15.280 -> 01:18:17.520] and you can listen to me and Matt talking about rice
[01:18:17.520 -> 01:18:19.640] amongst other things.
[01:18:19.640 -> 01:18:21.560] Yeah, I mean, we were mostly talking about
[01:18:21.560 -> 01:18:24.760] our perception of Friday and how we like to enjoy,
[01:18:24.760 -> 01:18:27.920] because you and me see Friday practice as kind of an event.
[01:18:27.920 -> 01:18:33.040] And whilst I wouldn't want to do a set Friday review, the patron only podcast kind of gives
[01:18:33.040 -> 01:18:38.800] us that platform to go, here's what I reckon, and here's how we'll be proved instantly wrong.
[01:18:38.800 -> 01:18:44.920] Yeah, it keeps us from looking really wrong in a hugely public forum and keeps it to a
[01:18:44.920 -> 01:18:47.520] smaller, smaller area.
[01:18:47.520 -> 01:18:51.920] Yeah, it's a safe place for us to be wrong. But actually this weekend we weren't wrong because
[01:18:51.920 -> 01:18:59.920] the Red Bull drop in form and struggles were mostly real. So I think we didn't invalidate
[01:18:59.920 -> 01:19:06.160] the podcast accuracy as quickly as we often do on the Patreon pod. But Matt can be followed
[01:19:06.160 -> 01:19:15.160] at MattPT55 and I'm a little upset with everyone listening here that I have 17.7 thousand Twitter
[01:19:15.160 -> 01:19:21.360] followers or ex-followers and Matt has a fraction of that. I know I'm the best one, but not
[01:19:21.360 -> 01:19:30.160] by that much. Follow Matt at MattPT55 on Twitter, you're actively upsetting me that you haven't followed him more.
[01:19:30.160 -> 01:19:33.480] And Matt, now that I've done that, can you stop being so weird on Twitter and just be
[01:19:33.480 -> 01:19:34.480] all normal?
[01:19:34.480 -> 01:19:37.000] Uh, well, for me that is normal.
[01:19:37.000 -> 01:19:40.160] So for people who have a different idea of what normal is.
[01:19:40.160 -> 01:19:45.520] So I will ask you to be the first person to tell me what was your
[01:19:47.160 -> 01:19:48.520] thing of the weekend.
[01:19:50.920 -> 01:19:51.280] All right, Matt, two rumpets.
[01:19:53.080 -> 01:19:53.880] What was your thing of the weekend?
[01:19:55.280 -> 01:19:58.160] I'm going to have to think about this. They were so I mean, the race itself was good.
[01:19:58.160 -> 01:19:59.400] The venue was fantastic.
[01:19:59.400 -> 01:20:01.200] Stalling, stalling for time.
[01:20:01.200 -> 01:20:02.680] He hasn't thought that you forgot. He forgot.
[01:20:02.680 -> 01:20:04.880] Oh, I told you the dramatic narrative.
[01:20:05.960 -> 01:20:06.960] But you know what?
[01:20:06.960 -> 01:20:13.080] At the end of the day, the thing for me that made it all happen was the radio call from
[01:20:13.080 -> 01:20:18.840] Carlos Sainz to his team saying, oh, that, that is on purpose.
[01:20:18.840 -> 01:20:19.840] Nice.
[01:20:19.840 -> 01:20:26.000] I'm waiting for Nour back into DRS to defend his lead in the final laps when his tires were
[01:20:26.000 -> 01:20:32.980] going and the Mercedes were charging. That to me, that, oh, how many races, how rare
[01:20:32.980 -> 01:20:37.000] is that kind of an event? It was just stellar.
[01:20:37.000 -> 01:20:43.400] It is a feature, not a bug, is what Carlos Sainz said. I half believe him. I half believe
[01:20:43.400 -> 01:20:46.000] him. This is the award where we are nice though,
[01:20:46.000 -> 01:20:52.800] so I will let that pass. My thing of the weekend award goes to Kevin Magnussen, who was able to get
[01:20:52.800 -> 01:20:58.240] a good qualifying result and a better qualifying result than Haas are generally capable of,
[01:20:58.240 -> 01:21:04.800] and he was able to beat Hulkenberg in qualifying, which has been rare this season as well.
[01:21:07.360 -> 01:21:08.000] Hulkenberg in qualifying, which has been rare this season as well. But I loved the fact that he,
[01:21:12.960 -> 01:21:18.640] in the press on Saturday, knowing that he was going to start in P6, he said, if anyone comes near me, I will nut them. I will headbutt them with my forehead and my
[01:21:18.640 -> 01:21:26.200] Viking horns will pierce their souls. And that was his attitude. And both Haases did put up a fight. They both
[01:21:26.200 -> 01:21:31.720] fought Max Verstappen, you know, coming through the points. And I think, I think Kevin Magnussen
[01:21:31.720 -> 01:21:35.000] ended up with a point. Where did he finish, Matt?
[01:21:35.000 -> 01:21:37.560] He got a point at the end of the day.
[01:21:37.560 -> 01:21:43.360] Yeah, there we go. So Kevin Magnussen qualifying sixth and ending up with a point from a Haas
[01:21:43.360 -> 01:21:46.800] that always falls back down the grid. I think
[01:21:46.800 -> 01:21:55.240] that is well worthy of my thing of the weekend. Okay, let's go to Dan Drury. Dan, bonjour.
[01:21:55.240 -> 01:22:05.240] You make me, you make me, you make me feel things Dan. You make me feel things and I'm not in a... Rage?
[01:22:05.240 -> 01:22:11.600] Not rage, no. I'm saying more like how Shakira and Taylor Swift make me feel things. Your
[01:22:11.600 -> 01:22:17.640] words, your deeds, fill me with emotions. I follow your content. I follow your tweets.
[01:22:17.640 -> 01:22:22.280] I get tweet notifications from Engine Mode 11. I do.
[01:22:22.280 -> 01:22:23.280] Do you really? Wow.
[01:22:23.280 -> 01:22:24.280] I do, because...
[01:22:24.280 -> 01:22:25.400] I apologise in advance.
[01:22:25.400 -> 01:22:32.800] I remember you starting this journey on social media and content creation and thinking,
[01:22:32.800 -> 01:22:38.800] go on son, you do well. And then I also remember watching you overtaking me and feeling very jealous.
[01:22:38.800 -> 01:22:43.600] But if anyone is going to have social media and podcast success and content creation success,
[01:22:43.600 -> 01:22:45.240] it should be a nice
[01:22:45.240 -> 01:22:47.080] young gentleman like you, Dan.
[01:22:47.080 -> 01:22:51.000] Oh, you're so sweet. Your podcast's alright, I suppose.
[01:22:51.000 -> 01:22:55.360] You have a podcast, but it's worse because you're sort of all Red Bully. It's called...
[01:22:55.360 -> 01:22:58.480] No, yeah, I'd freely admit it's crap.
[01:22:58.480 -> 01:23:01.640] Engine Breaking, and you sometimes record Waste Reviews.
[01:23:01.640 -> 01:23:04.280] Yeah, well, we could be bothered.
[01:23:04.280 -> 01:23:05.340] Engine Breaking. Engine Breaking Pod, right be bothered. Engine breaking, engine breaking
[01:23:05.340 -> 01:23:14.880] pod right? Yeah. It is. I heard though. Is that Alpine fanfic, engine breaking? Yes.
[01:23:14.880 -> 01:23:21.240] We're harking back to the Renault days. You though have, you team up with a Verstappen's
[01:23:21.240 -> 01:23:27.120] ex, sorry, what is Blake's role? He was the performance engineer for Max Verstappen's ex, sorry, what is Blake's role? He was the performance engineer for Max
[01:23:27.120 -> 01:23:31.840] Verstappen. Yes, he was. So you two really have been in the heart of the Red Bull camp. But I do
[01:23:31.840 -> 01:23:39.040] hear that on your race review tomorrow, you've got a bit of a Colt LH Hamfosee incursion onto your
[01:23:39.040 -> 01:23:45.600] show. Yes, unfortunately, we really had to scrape the barrel as Blake is on holiday.
[01:23:45.600 -> 01:23:52.820] So I approached you with our first podcast host exchange program, so hence why I'm here
[01:23:52.820 -> 01:23:54.600] today and then you're going to join me tomorrow.
[01:23:54.600 -> 01:23:58.960] Oh Matt, your listeners are going to bloody hate me, but it will be fun.
[01:23:58.960 -> 01:24:00.560] So let's go for it.
[01:24:00.560 -> 01:24:03.840] Go and follow Dan, his links will be in the show notes below.
[01:24:03.840 -> 01:24:06.080] Follow at engine mode 11
[01:24:06.080 -> 01:24:13.680] on twitter go and check out engine breaking pod and listen in now as i ask dan what was your thing
[01:24:13.680 -> 01:24:19.520] of the weekend so my thing in the weekend i think technically didn't actually happen at the weekend
[01:24:19.520 -> 01:24:25.520] it happened on the thursday or the friday when uh all the upgrade documents came out for the
[01:24:25.520 -> 01:24:32.480] teams and McLaren just decided to circle the entire car. I really appreciated that
[01:24:32.480 -> 01:24:36.320] sort of Friday afternoon we just want to get home what parts have we upgraded. All
[01:24:36.320 -> 01:24:40.840] of it, I don't know, there you go, that'll do. I respected that. That's your thing of the
[01:24:40.840 -> 01:24:49.360] weekend. Alright, Antonia Rankin! Alright mate. All right, mate. Hey, you make me jealous as well, because you just end up going to
[01:24:50.160 -> 01:24:56.240] the McLaren Technology Centre. You end up going to launch events, and people in F1 have realised
[01:24:56.240 -> 01:25:01.360] that you're a very competent, charismatic person that can bring their event to life.
[01:25:01.360 -> 01:25:12.280] Whereas they think of me as someone who should remain in a dingy shed. For that, I loathe you, but you should follow at Antonio... no hang on, on TikTok,
[01:25:12.280 -> 01:25:16.400] what is it? Antonio ranking F1? No. At F1 Antonio on TikTok.
[01:25:16.400 -> 01:25:19.600] There you go, you got that. Is that the same on Twitter as well? No, Antonio
[01:25:19.600 -> 01:25:22.960] J ranking on Twitter. Yes, because I've made it easy by having
[01:25:22.960 -> 01:25:25.380] different tags on everything.
[01:25:25.380 -> 01:25:26.200] On everything.
[01:25:26.200 -> 01:25:27.860] That's the best way to get people to support you.
[01:25:27.860 -> 01:25:30.900] Just sprinkle some underscores in there next time as well.
[01:25:30.900 -> 01:25:33.460] And you're also very active on Instagram
[01:25:33.460 -> 01:25:34.300] and stuff like that.
[01:25:34.300 -> 01:25:35.220] So go and follow Antonia.
[01:25:35.220 -> 01:25:37.060] Her links will be in the show notes below.
[01:25:37.060 -> 01:25:42.060] Antonia, who or what or when is your thing of the weekend?
[01:25:42.540 -> 01:25:43.860] I've been struggling with this actually
[01:25:43.860 -> 01:25:45.360] because obviously Ferrari did
[01:25:45.360 -> 01:25:50.240] a really cool thing but there's I feel like there's so much more within the whole scope
[01:25:50.240 -> 01:25:56.720] of everything to be excited about and celebrate so I'm actually going to give it to Max Verstappen
[01:25:57.600 -> 01:26:03.680] because... It's a good weekend man! Despite not being at the front of the grid he still proved
[01:26:03.680 -> 01:26:06.360] himself to be a very, very good driver.
[01:26:06.360 -> 01:26:08.560] You know, not that we were saying he wouldn't be,
[01:26:08.560 -> 01:26:10.860] but he was caught really in the thick of it,
[01:26:10.860 -> 01:26:12.360] caught in the thick of it this weekend,
[01:26:12.360 -> 01:26:14.120] and he did a really good performance
[01:26:14.120 -> 01:26:17.080] that I don't think enough people are going to recognize
[01:26:17.080 -> 01:26:19.240] when you're just looking at the results at face value.
[01:26:19.240 -> 01:26:22.920] So I think he had a very good drive and kudos.
[01:26:22.920 -> 01:26:24.840] I've definitely been pushing that.
[01:26:24.840 -> 01:26:29.600] I think Verstappen had a really good weekend. I'd rather see Verstappen or rate, I would rather rate
[01:26:29.600 -> 01:26:36.480] Verstappen on a weekend like this than one where he disappears off into the distance. It can
[01:26:36.480 -> 01:26:42.160] sound a little bit patronising to the world champion where we go, you had a very good weekend
[01:26:42.160 -> 01:26:45.460] finishing fifth. Well done. You had a lot of challenges
[01:26:45.460 -> 01:26:51.160] but it all kind of worked out fine. So I think we've done our Good Thing Awards, which means
[01:26:51.160 -> 01:26:55.200] we get to be kind of negative now. We've earned it!
[01:26:55.200 -> 01:26:57.600] Oh no, you missed the A-plus.
[01:26:57.600 -> 01:27:04.020] Yeah, we've earned it. Now we can be armchair sofa fans and I am going to steal the first
[01:27:04.020 -> 01:27:06.720] one because I really, I don't want anyone
[01:27:06.720 -> 01:27:12.480] else to steal this. So if you're a fan of the grid walk with Martin Brundle, which I'm
[01:27:12.480 -> 01:27:20.240] not, I really like Martin Brundle. I am 43 years old and Martin Brundle saved me from
[01:27:20.240 -> 01:27:26.240] Murray Walker. He has always been the voice of reason in Formula One. The amount of times
[01:27:26.240 -> 01:27:31.120] he said, you know, Murray Walker, oh and there goes a Lacey. No, that's Gerhardt Berger. You
[01:27:31.120 -> 01:27:36.160] know, he was just, Martin Brundle can see a race, he can call a race, he knows what's going on. He
[01:27:36.160 -> 01:27:42.800] is F1 royalty. I bloody love Martin Brundle, but oh my God, I hate that gridwalk. And today,
[01:27:42.800 -> 01:27:45.640] he was interviewing Oscar Piastri,
[01:27:45.640 -> 01:27:48.200] he grabbed Oscar Piastri for an interview
[01:27:48.200 -> 01:27:50.320] and he asked Piastri a question.
[01:27:50.320 -> 01:27:52.680] And as Piastri was answering, he saw Esteban Ocon
[01:27:52.680 -> 01:27:57.680] and went, Esteban, Esteban, Steve, Steve, happy birthday.
[01:27:57.760 -> 01:27:59.040] Oh, I've missed it.
[01:27:59.040 -> 01:28:00.360] And then he went back to Piastri
[01:28:00.360 -> 01:28:03.080] who had obviously gone away after that.
[01:28:03.080 -> 01:28:05.780] And it is the worst thing I've ever seen on TV.
[01:28:05.880 -> 01:28:09.360] It should not have happened to Martin Brundle, and so my
[01:28:10.040 -> 01:28:16.180] Missed Apex Award goes to Piastri for not waiting there until Martin Brundle was bloody well finished with him.
[01:28:17.760 -> 01:28:22.660] It's bad, wasn't it? That was funny. Anyway, Matt, who missed the Apex for you?
[01:28:23.660 -> 01:28:31.000] Well, you're not going to be happy with me, but it's going to be George Russell for trying
[01:28:31.000 -> 01:28:36.680] to imitate that scene from Independence Day, where Will Smith crashes the alien ship into
[01:28:36.680 -> 01:28:38.000] the canyon.
[01:28:38.000 -> 01:28:43.040] Only in this case, it was Lando Norris crashing George Russell into that bit of wall that
[01:28:43.040 -> 01:28:47.360] sticks out one lap from the end.
[01:28:47.360 -> 01:28:52.900] And you know, and to his credit, George is the first person to stand up and apologize
[01:28:52.900 -> 01:28:56.860] to the team because he knew he was on for a better result.
[01:28:56.860 -> 01:29:03.540] But yeah, that's just that was of all the painful things I watched this weekend, including
[01:29:03.540 -> 01:29:05.520] Perez, I think that was the most
[01:29:05.520 -> 01:29:09.840] personally painful. So he gets the award. Of all the painful things I've watched,
[01:29:09.840 -> 01:29:12.720] Dan's background is the most painful of them all.
[01:29:13.280 -> 01:29:18.800] And a snap and celebrating a championship. And then you've got tin tops as well. They're not
[01:29:18.800 -> 01:29:23.120] even, they're not even real race cars. Right. So that one, sorry for the audio
[01:29:23.120 -> 01:29:25.760] listeners. So this poster here is a gift from
[01:29:26.720 -> 01:29:33.520] Honda in Japan for their first Honda powered victory in Austria and it's all in Japanese,
[01:29:33.520 -> 01:29:40.880] it's very cool. That is a Sebring poster from the Aston Martin. Aston Martin, yeah nice. CBR9 GT1
[01:29:40.880 -> 01:29:46.240] signed by all the drivers. Aston Martin poster again that was, not Aston Martin,
[01:29:46.240 -> 01:29:50.880] sorry, the Honda, another gift, the 70th anniversary. Wow he's really he's telling
[01:29:50.880 -> 01:29:55.920] us all of them okay cool okay yeah no listen you ask the question, you're gonna sit down and you're gonna enjoy it.
[01:29:55.920 -> 01:29:59.120] I was sort of gonna slag it off.
[01:29:59.120 -> 01:30:03.720] Is that a Golf livery? Should we be impressed because it's a
[01:30:03.720 -> 01:30:07.760] Golf livery and it's a thing from 50 years before I was born.
[01:30:07.760 -> 01:30:09.920] Oh give over, it's not that long ago.
[01:30:09.920 -> 01:30:17.360] It was, it's like, oh we've got a golf livery and you have to be excited about it even though it was in the 70s and literally no one's 50.
[01:30:17.360 -> 01:30:19.360] Oh give over you.
[01:30:19.360 -> 01:30:22.720] Most people aren't over 50 and don't care about the golf livery.
[01:30:22.720 -> 01:30:25.200] Do you want my Misty Apex award or not? No, now I want to argue about the golf livery. Do you want my Miss the Apex award or not?
[01:30:25.200 -> 01:30:28.200] No, now I want to argue about the Gulf livery.
[01:30:28.200 -> 01:30:30.200] Go on then, fine, go on.
[01:30:30.200 -> 01:30:31.200] Alright.
[01:30:31.200 -> 01:30:37.000] Miss the Apex this weekend is, funnily enough, talking about Aston Martin, it's the Mike
[01:30:37.000 -> 01:30:42.000] Crack charm offensive and the propaganda that we're being force-fed.
[01:30:42.000 -> 01:30:43.000] He's gone, isn't he?
[01:30:43.000 -> 01:30:44.000] He's gone.
[01:30:44.000 -> 01:30:48.360] Are you sure it isn't that stupid winglet on the crash structure that made Alonso's car fall off the jack?
[01:30:48.360 -> 01:30:53.940] Oh! Structural failures I can deal with. What I can't deal with is being force-fed
[01:30:53.940 -> 01:30:57.520] propaganda and it being so blatant. Yeah, the Alonso thing we need to circle back
[01:30:57.520 -> 01:31:04.360] to, but Dan, it is bad. Mike Quack has basically, he's lost all
[01:31:04.360 -> 01:31:06.720] credibility because we all know the things he's saying
[01:31:06.720 -> 01:31:11.120] about Lance Stroll aren't true. He is close to Fernando Alonso. We are letting him down.
[01:31:11.120 -> 01:31:14.980] It's our side of the garage letting him down. The fact he crashed proved he's wrong. It's
[01:31:14.980 -> 01:31:20.440] very similar to Ottmar Schaffnauer's, he is one of the most promising young talents in
[01:31:20.440 -> 01:31:26.600] Formula One. And as I said last week week being Aston Martin principal means that
[01:31:26.600 -> 01:31:32.800] part of your job is to go on TV and lie and he knows he's lying. What annoys me most
[01:31:32.800 -> 01:31:36.920] about this is Strauss is not a terrible driver he doesn't need... No you don't need to
[01:31:36.920 -> 01:31:43.680] exaggerate yeah yeah yeah. So yeah that's it and the second place is you
[01:31:43.680 -> 01:31:45.000] giving me grief.
[01:31:45.000 -> 01:31:48.000] Well, I want a second missed Apex award then before Antonio gets in.
[01:31:48.000 -> 01:31:49.000] Fernando Alonso.
[01:31:49.000 -> 01:31:53.000] Could Fernando Alonso have done much more wrong this weekend?
[01:31:53.000 -> 01:31:57.000] So, you know, obviously I don't know what was affecting the pace,
[01:31:57.000 -> 01:32:00.000] but he missed the pit lane and got a five second penalty
[01:32:00.000 -> 01:32:05.000] and then, you know, sergegented it into the barrier,
[01:32:05.000 -> 01:32:08.000] which is very uncharacteristic for Fernando Alonso.
[01:32:08.000 -> 01:32:12.000] Antonia Rankin, who missed the apex for you?
[01:32:12.000 -> 01:32:15.000] It's going to sound really silly, but I'm going to give it to you, Houston Oda,
[01:32:15.000 -> 01:32:21.000] for two reasons. First of all, for not waiting until at least a little bit into the race
[01:32:21.000 -> 01:32:27.480] to try and inspire a safety car, and the fact that he didn't even get one, so it wasn't even worth it in the end.
[01:32:27.480 -> 01:32:28.480] Yeah, wasted.
[01:32:28.480 -> 01:32:32.080] He just drove off and it was like, what do you mean you're out of the way? Give us something,
[01:32:32.080 -> 01:32:37.240] you know. But also for the fact it was for a puncture. What do you mean you're retiring
[01:32:37.240 -> 01:32:38.240] for a puncture?
[01:32:38.240 -> 01:32:39.240] Why can't you just, yeah, just keep going.
[01:32:39.240 -> 01:32:40.240] Come on now, come on.
[01:32:40.240 -> 01:32:46.000] Do that thing where the tyre flicks around and then wrecks most of your bodywork.
[01:32:46.000 -> 01:32:48.000] Tyre works in flames, you know?
[01:32:48.000 -> 01:32:54.000] What do you mean you have a puncture and you've pulled away nicely and it's not negatively impacted anyone?
[01:32:54.000 -> 01:32:56.000] Yuki, we were relying on you, bro.
[01:32:56.000 -> 01:33:01.000] Did Lewis Hamilton pull over in Silverstone 2021 when he had a puncture? No.
[01:33:01.000 -> 01:33:05.200] He won the race on three tyres. That's what you should have done, Sonoda.
[01:33:05.200 -> 01:33:08.480] That's what you should have done. Matt, did you do your Missed Apex award?
[01:33:08.480 -> 01:33:09.960] I did. Oh, okay.
[01:33:09.960 -> 01:33:13.200] It was Russell for hitting the ball. That's the one, yeah. It was ages ago, so
[01:33:13.200 -> 01:33:17.860] I've forgotten about that. That's fine. But I did bring up the Alonso winglet Aston
[01:33:17.860 -> 01:33:20.400] thing too, just to add some spice. So you get like an extra. That's what threw
[01:33:20.400 -> 01:33:29.020] me off. So you get an extra one, and you may get an extra show midweek, but if not, we will see you next Sunday. And we're all looking forward to the Japanese Grand
[01:33:29.020 -> 01:33:35.020] Prix to see if Red Bull really have been nerfed. Thank you very much to Matt Trumpets for being
[01:33:35.020 -> 01:33:41.160] an ever present beacon of light here on Mr Apex podcast and our special guests, Antonia
[01:33:41.160 -> 01:33:45.540] Rankin. Go and follow her on TikTok. it will be worth it. And Dan Drury,
[01:33:45.540 -> 01:33:50.780] one of the nicest people to unfortunately support Red Bull and Max Verstappen. But of
[01:33:50.780 -> 01:33:55.520] course, also follow me, my goodness, I'm the best one. All our links will be in the show
[01:33:55.520 -> 01:34:00.460] notes below and wherever we see you next, work hard, be kind and have fun. This was
[01:34:00.460 -> None] Missed Apex Podcast. you