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**Summary of the Missed Apex Podcast Episode: Hot and Tired in Qatar**

**Introduction:**

* The podcast begins with a discussion of the Lusail Circuit's new white lines, killer kerbs, and Max Verstappen's championship victory.
* The hosts introduce themselves and their roles in the podcast: Spanners Ready (host), Matt Trumpets (tire whisperer), Chris Stevens (GT Open commentator), and Kristian "Chaos" Pedersen (Danish TV journalist).

**Main Segments:**

**Whose Fault Is It?**

* The hosts analyze the controversial incidents in the race, including the collision between Lewis Hamilton and George Russell in Turn 1 and the crash involving Nico Hülkenberg, Esteban Ocon, and Sergio Perez.
* Spanners Ready and Matt Trumpets argue that Hamilton was at fault for the incident with Russell, while Chris Stevens and Kristian Pedersen believe it was a racing incident.
* The hosts also debate the blame for the Hülkenberg-Ocon-Perez crash, with Spanners Ready and Matt Trumpets placing more responsibility on Ocon, while Chris Stevens and Kristian Pedersen acknowledge mitigating circumstances.

**Hamilton and Russell:**

* The hosts discuss the ongoing tension between Mercedes teammates Lewis Hamilton and George Russell, highlighting several instances of on-track incidents and disagreements between the two drivers.
* They speculate on whether the gloves are finally off between Hamilton and Russell and whether team orders will be necessary to manage their rivalry.

**The Sprint Race:**

* The hosts praise the sprint race format for providing an exciting spectacle, with Max Verstappen and George Russell battling for the lead and several other drivers making impressive overtakes.
* They discuss the strategic implications of the sprint race, particularly the impact on tire wear and the mandatory three-stop strategy for the main race.

**Max Verstappen's Third World Title:**

* The hosts congratulate Max Verstappen on securing his third Formula One World Championship, acknowledging his dominance and consistency throughout the season.
* They discuss Verstappen's rise through the ranks, his early success in karting and junior formulas, and his eventual promotion to the Red Bull Formula One team.
* The hosts also highlight Verstappen's aggressive driving style and his ability to extract the maximum performance from his car.

**Oscar Piastri's Debut:**

* The hosts briefly mention Oscar Piastri's impressive debut performance for McLaren, where he finished ninth and scored two points.
* They discuss Piastri's potential as a future star in Formula One and his ability to adapt quickly to the demands of the sport.

**Conclusion:**

* The hosts wrap up the podcast by summarizing the key talking points and thanking their listeners for tuning in.
* They encourage listeners to support the podcast on Patreon or through their Tip Jar to help them grow and continue producing high-quality content. Sure, here is a summary of the podcast episode transcript:

**Introduction:**

* The hosts, Spanners, Matt Trumpets, Chris Stevens, and Kristian Pedersen, discuss the unusual track conditions and tire degradation issues at the Lusail Circuit.


**Main Discussion:**

* The shorter stints and high tire degradation led to a race where drivers had to push flat out for the entire Grand Prix, resulting in several retirements and drivers experiencing physical distress.


* This type of racing showcased the athleticism and endurance of the drivers, but also raised questions about whether it is sustainable or desirable for every race.


* The unique circumstances of the race also highlighted the importance of tire management and strategy, with some teams and drivers adapting better than others.


* Oscar Piastri's performance was a highlight, with the McLaren driver showing strong pace and racecraft, although he was ultimately held back by team orders.


* The race also saw several controversial incidents, including Fernando Alonso's off-track excursion and subsequent return to the track in front of Charles Leclerc.


* Aston Martin had a disappointing weekend, with Lance Stroll struggling for pace and Sebastian Vettel missing the race due to illness.


**Conclusion:**

* The hosts wrap up the discussion by emphasizing the importance of driver skill and adaptability in Formula One, as well as the need for a balance between strategy and flat-out racing.


**Additional Notes:**

* The hosts also discussed the impact of the shorter stints on the pit crews, who had to perform more pit stops than usual.


* They also mentioned the potential for rule changes in the future to address the issue of tire degradation and promote more sustainable racing.


* The hosts also joked about the possibility of a "bumper" segment in the podcast, where they would discuss controversial topics or incidents in Formula One.


* The episode ended with the hosts thanking their listeners and encouraging them to support the podcast through Patreon or other means. ## 2022 Qatar Grand Prix: Missed Apex Podcast

**Key Points:**

* Aston Martin's struggles continue with Stroll's poor performance and Alonso's brilliance highlighting the team's issues.

* Stroll's trainer comments suggest he may be losing motivation and could leave the team at the end of the season.

* Aston Martin may shift its focus to the World Endurance Championship (WEC) and Le Mans, where Stroll could compete.

* Sergio Perez's struggles continue, with another poor race in Qatar leading to calls for him to be replaced at Red Bull.

* Yuki Tsunoda and Liam Lawson are suggested as potential replacements for Perez at Red Bull.

* Red Bull should test different drivers in the remaining races to determine the best option for next season.

* The extreme heat and demanding conditions in Qatar contributed to several incidents and driver errors during the race.

* Oscar Piastri's impressive performances in Formula 2 continue, with a sprint race win and podium finishes highlighting his potential.

* Piastri's success adds pressure on Lando Norris, his teammate at McLaren, and strengthens his case for a promotion to Formula 1.

* Chris Stevens believes Piastri's sprint race win is a statement of intent and predicts he will become a future world champion.

**Notable Quotes:**

* "I think it was too. They need a better driver than Stroll to get that car to where it deserves to be." - Alistair McElroy on Aston Martin's need for a better driver.

* "I think the only thing that saved them was starting so high up, and just Alonso's sheer Alonzoness." - Matt "Trumpets" Rutherford on Alonso's performance in Qatar.

* "So what I admit, terrible day for him. Yeah, and I tweeted this, look, because when's he, the last time he got out of Q1? Isn't it something like five Q1 exits in a row?" - Matt Rutherford on Lance Stroll's qualifying struggles.

* "He knows. He's probably been given an ultimatum now." - Christian Pedersen on Lance Stroll's situation at Aston Martin.

* "I mean, first of all, it depends if Strauss is just gonna pull him out of the Formula One team or if he's gonna withdraw from the entire Aston Martin brand altogether." - Chris Stevens on the potential outcomes for Stroll and Aston Martin.

* "So rounding off on Aston Martin, they're going to have to keep Alonso happy. So they've obviously given him promises about next season." - Matt Rutherford on Aston Martin's need to keep Alonso happy.

* "I've got a feeling it's time." - Chris Stevens on the possibility of Stroll leaving Aston Martin.

* "I've been pretty honest about my disappointment at Sergio Perez and how my Sergio Perez fandom isn't going well and I've been upset with the way he's driven." - Matt Rutherford on his disappointment with Sergio Perez's performance.

* "There was actually a driver who got more violations, track limit violations, than Perez." - Chris Stevens on Gasly receiving more track limit penalties than Perez.

* "I like Sergio Perez. I think he's a really, really good racing driver. I think he's really good on tires. I think he's intelligent. He has some craft." - Chris Stevens on his positive opinion of Sergio Perez.

* "Sometimes you just get into a situation where you just can't get out of. And you've seen it before with Formula 1 teams, racing teams in general. Sometimes there's just something just doesn't work and you can't get it back on track." - Chris Stevens on the difficulties of turning around a struggling driver-team relationship.

* "I have a suggestion. If I was Red Bull, I mean, they can't win more this year. They've won it all. So they could just not show up if they won." - Chris Stevens on a potential strategy for Red Bull in the remaining races.

* "Okay, so Matt, I hear you. I hear you on this, right? Why change anything when they've got 1-2 in the championship and the constructors is sorted? But for me, they need to anticipate the fact that next year, Ferrari, Mercedes, McLaren could suddenly all be on the same footing as them. Doesn't matter how unlikely that may sound at the moment, they need to prepare for that possibility." - Chris Stevens on the need for Red Bull to make changes despite their current success.

* "I know the fact that they're all contracted to rebel anyway. So the fact that Ricardo has been announced to Alpha Tauri doesn't actually mean anything for now because he could still well end up in the Red Bull next year. Perez does have a contract for next year, but I really, really think they need to make a change there." - Chris Stevens on the complex driver contract situation at Red Bull.

* "What was going on? What juice had he been sipping?" - Chris Stevens on Pierre Gasly's aggressive driving in Qatar.

* "I've no idea, but he's shoving people off track, he's shoving himself off track to try and get moves done that he knows he's not going to be able to keep." - Chris Stevens on Gasly's driving style.

* "He was just being so wild out there and ended up losing out on points because he was another driver to accrue track limits penalties along with Albon as well." - Chris Stevens on Gasly's penalties.

* "It is amazing. It's like when you are, it's 3am, you're absolutely drunk off your mind, you see the taxi that's going to be able to take you home and he just wanders over to it like that, like a homing beacon, right?" - Matt Rutherford on Stroll's post-race behavior.

* "And the conditions so extreme." - Matt Rutherford on the challenging conditions in Qatar.

* "Luckily, next year's race is in December December should be significantly cooler then." - Chris Stevens on the expected cooler conditions for next year's Qatar Grand Prix.

* "So I think mentioning dispatches, I thought Synoda and Albon both like trading blows with each other, racing people really well, lots of action up and down the track." - Matt Rutherford on the exciting racing in Qatar.

* "A hot and sweaty evening in Qatar and a late night here in the UK. So I will get to the podium slightly quicker than usual." - Matt Rutherford on the time constraints of the podcast.

* "I think that's a really good showing." - Christian Pedersen on Oscar Piastri's performance in Formula 2.

* "He keeps habitually putting it, regardless of where Norris is, Piastri is on the podium a bunch. He's on the front row a couple of times. He's in that top five in qualifying. He is making it hard to ignore him." - Matt Rutherford on Piastri's consistent performances.

* "What he is doing at the moment is giving us a drumbeat of results." - Matt Rutherford on Piastri's impressive results.

* "Chris Stevens. Sorry if I can just add the clip with Piastri from, was it in Austria, where they flew?" - Matt Rutherford on a memorable moment involving Piastri.

* "So kind of similar to Christian, but specifically for me, Piastri's sprint win, I think it's a real statement of intent for Piastri, the fact that he's come in, he's won something before Norris, that is the biggest statement that has been made there and if there were any doubts about this kid being a future world champion then they are completely silenced now I think." - Chris Stevens on Piastri's potential as a future world champion. # Missed Apex Podcast Episode Summary: Qatar Grand Prix 2021

**Introduction**

* The podcast begins with the hosts discussing the unusual circumstances surrounding the Qatar Grand Prix, including the track preparation and the FIA's response to tire issues.

**Missed Apex Awards**

* Spanners: Praises the FIA for their quick and effective response to the tire issues, which prevented a potentially dangerous situation.
* Matt: Commends the FIA for their efficient handling of track limits violations, using technology to provide rapid and accurate assessments.
* Christian: Criticizes the FIA for not implementing a system to detect track limits violations in real-time, which would help to eliminate confusion and ensure consistency in penalties.

**Negative Aspects**

* Christian: Expresses his frustration with the excessive penalties issued for minor track limit infringements, arguing that the FIA needs to find a better way to manage this issue.

**Positive Aspects**

* Matt: Praises the exciting and unpredictable nature of the race, highlighting the strategic challenges faced by the teams and the thrilling battles on track.
* Spanners: Agrees with Matt, emphasizing the unique spectacle of the race and the opportunity it provided for drivers to push their cars to the limit.

**Controversies**

* The hosts discuss the controversy surrounding the track limits regulations, with Christian arguing that the FIA needs to implement a more effective system for enforcing them.

**Insights and Perspectives**

* The hosts provide insightful analysis of the race, discussing the strategies employed by the teams, the performance of individual drivers, and the implications of the results for the championship standings.

**Overall Message**

* The podcast concludes with the hosts emphasizing the importance of safety in Formula One and praising the FIA for their handling of the tire issues. They also highlight the unique and exciting nature of the Qatar Grand Prix, which provided a memorable spectacle for fans around the world.

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[01:35.520 -> 01:53.220] you are listening to missed apex podcast we live at one F1.
[01:53.220 -> 01:55.100] Welcome to Missed Apex Podcast.
[01:55.100 -> 01:59.540] The title of today's show is Hot and Tired in Qatar.
[01:59.540 -> 02:02.140] That pun supplied by Richard Groves on Twitter.
[02:02.140 -> 02:05.560] Hi, I'm your host Richard Ready, but my friends call me Spanners
[02:05.560 -> 02:09.400] So let's be friends. Welcome to the Qatar race review
[02:09.400 -> 02:14.720] All segments today are restricted to 18 minutes and the conditions are expected to be
[02:15.840 -> 02:23.160] Extreme so coming up we will get fairly quickly into all the blaming and the whose fault is is itness?
[02:23.160 -> 02:25.400] I'm gonna pull it off like a plaster and
[02:25.400 -> 02:30.320] talk about Hamilton and Russell. Is this the time that the gloves are off finally between
[02:30.320 -> 02:35.800] the Mercedes teammates? Of course, the sprint race was probably the feature of the weekend
[02:35.800 -> 02:42.040] for once. Max Verstappen wraps up a third world title and Piastri stamps his mark on
[02:42.040 -> 02:48.160] the Formula One grid. But I need to tell you that we are an independent podcast produced in the podcasting shed.
[02:48.160 -> 02:52.240] With the kind permission of our better halves, we aim to bring you a race review before your
[02:52.240 -> 02:53.760] Monday morning commute.
[02:53.760 -> 02:56.240] We might be wrong, but we're first.
[02:56.240 -> 02:56.800] Usually.
[02:56.800 -> 02:57.600] Sometimes.
[02:57.600 -> 02:58.160] Not anymore.
[02:58.800 -> 02:59.520] Ah, it doesn't matter.
[03:01.840 -> 03:06.640] Returning to the shed is our tyre whisperer Matt 2...
[03:06.640 -> 03:07.640] Rumpet.
[03:07.640 -> 03:08.640] Say Matt.
[03:08.640 -> 03:12.360] 2.275 percent.
[03:12.360 -> 03:14.720] Please don't just yell numbers at me.
[03:14.720 -> 03:16.040] We've talked about this.
[03:16.040 -> 03:18.080] Okay, I will explain.
[03:18.080 -> 03:23.160] That is the margin between Verstappen's fastest lap and his pole position.
[03:23.160 -> 03:26.640] And for all the people out there in the world who have been saying
[03:26.640 -> 03:31.600] all I want is a Formula One race with tires where they can just push push push push push to the end,
[03:31.600 -> 03:36.800] well congratulations, today you got your wish and it was pretty spectacular, I have to admit.
[03:36.800 -> 03:40.800] I think we make that topic too, because what you're talking about is fundamental
[03:41.360 -> 03:46.720] to the core of of the sport and with Pirelli's contract, Lenk in doubt as well,
[03:46.720 -> 03:52.320] and Bridgestone coming in who are unlikely to want to make a high wearing tyre, you know,
[03:52.320 -> 04:00.000] people need to be careful what they wish for. Yeah. And we're also joined by GT Open commentator
[04:00.000 -> 04:06.560] Chris Stevens. How's it going, Chris? Hey, Spanners. Look, today was proof. Mandating
[04:06.560 -> 04:12.240] extra stops does not equal mega race. I'm so glad because as soon as they said,
[04:12.240 -> 04:16.960] oh, it's going to be three compulsory stops, I went, if this race is a banger, then we are stuck.
[04:16.960 -> 04:23.360] We are stuck with multi-stop, forced multi-stop races. I mean, it's one thing when it's natural
[04:23.360 -> 04:29.120] and you need to because of the tyres, but when they just say, well, you just have to, then that takes the tire
[04:29.120 -> 04:30.680] stuff out of the way completely.
[04:30.680 -> 04:31.680] Yeah, exactly.
[04:31.680 -> 04:37.240] And we're joined by Agent of Chaos from Denmark, Christian Pedersen. Hey, Christian.
[04:37.240 -> 04:43.960] Good evening. I'm still, I'm actually amazed of the method acting behind the Red Bull experience
[04:43.960 -> 04:46.160] when Max wins. Everyone's like, yeah,
[04:47.600 -> 04:53.440] and as soon as he turns around, they can't possibly be that excited every time they cross
[04:53.440 -> 04:59.680] the line. Like, Max, you did it against all the odds. You've got a completely expected victory
[04:59.680 -> 05:05.440] that we all had already. We've already notched up, you on the on the bedpost we've already scratched in
[05:05.440 -> 05:09.920] another line but you're right they do have to go through and I'm glad they do because it would be
[05:09.920 -> 05:14.560] horrible if they went yeah if they just went heads off still all right max bring it in uh half the
[05:14.560 -> 05:20.560] crew's already packed up let's go they can't do that okay I think guys well in the tradition of
[05:20.560 -> 05:25.600] just honing down on the thing everyone is talking about. Before we get into
[05:25.600 -> 05:29.400] the meat of the race and all that strategy and all those tyres, I think we're going to
[05:29.400 -> 05:31.720] play a game of Whose Fault Is It?
[05:31.720 -> 05:32.720] Whose fault is it?
[05:32.720 -> 05:36.680] I mean, we have to, don't we, Chris?
[05:36.680 -> 05:39.480] It's mandatory. I mean, like three pit stops.
[05:39.480 -> 05:43.840] Yeah, so three pit stops, mandatory to everyone. Well, in fact, no, they didn't mandate the
[05:43.840 -> 05:50.400] amount of pit stops. They mandated a maximum stint length, which just happened, which had us all scrambling around
[05:50.400 -> 05:56.000] doing our maths at the beginning of the day. So we're like, okay 18, so that's 18 times 3.
[05:56.000 -> 06:00.000] Okay, so that means where's my calculator? Type into the calculator that's three laps left over.
[06:00.000 -> 06:05.440] Will the softs last three laps? And that seems to be the calculation that Mercedes went for
[06:05.440 -> 06:10.560] with Lewis Hamilton, where they said, okay, let's go for softs at the beginning. Let's
[06:10.560 -> 06:14.480] just get those three or four laps out of the way, because Lewis Hamilton has said that that was the
[06:14.480 -> 06:21.760] plan. And then do our three hard tire stints. And I think, Matt, that is what led to, should we say,
[06:21.760 -> 06:31.160] the problems at turn one. Well, yeah, absolutely. And this was kind of genius for Mercedes, because recall that
[06:31.160 -> 06:37.720] Perez was actually starting from the pit lane. So they had very much a two-on-one. They had
[06:37.720 -> 06:43.520] a pencer strategically on Red Bull here. They started Russell on fairly new tires. They
[06:43.520 -> 06:45.920] started Lewis on absolutely new tires.
[06:45.920 -> 06:54.560] And the plan was going to be, I think, very much to push Max early and make him decide, like,
[06:54.560 -> 06:58.960] is he going to chase Lewis or is he going to block Russell? And if he doesn't chase Lewis,
[06:58.960 -> 07:06.640] Lewis puts in four fast laps, pits into clean air on good tires, and he's got an offset strategy for the rest
[07:06.640 -> 07:07.640] of the race.
[07:07.640 -> 07:14.160] Russell, meanwhile, can just kick back, relax, make sure no McLarens get round him, and keep
[07:14.160 -> 07:17.600] himself within distance, because he had a lot of pace today.
[07:17.600 -> 07:22.560] Keep himself in distance of Verstappen, and sooner or later, when those pincers closed
[07:22.560 -> 07:29.520] at the end of the race, Max and Red Bull were going to have to make some uncomfortable and difficult choices about who they were actually
[07:29.520 -> 07:30.520] racing.
[07:30.520 -> 07:33.720] Unfortunately, it didn't quite work out like that.
[07:33.720 -> 07:37.480] So what you're saying is it's impossible to assign blame, and this should just go down
[07:37.480 -> 07:39.440] as the first ever racing incident.
[07:39.440 -> 07:40.440] Exactly.
[07:40.440 -> 07:45.840] I mean, sometimes, as we discover in life, there are things that happen and it turns
[07:45.840 -> 07:49.760] out they're just no one's fault. Right. Well, moving on then, Chris.
[07:49.760 -> 07:56.160] No, go on, Chris. No, the thing is, I mean, we were robbed of the one strategic variable amongst
[07:56.160 -> 08:05.000] the front runners because, unfortunately, Lewis did not leave sufficient room at turn one
[08:05.120 -> 08:08.520] for George Russell and Max Verstappen.
[08:08.520 -> 08:10.600] And I've seen quite a few takes on this,
[08:10.600 -> 08:12.480] people trying to blame Russell,
[08:12.480 -> 08:15.540] which I cannot agree with in any way, shape or form.
[08:15.540 -> 08:18.920] It's Lewis's responsibility as the car on the outside
[08:18.920 -> 08:22.320] to leave enough space, regardless of how many cars
[08:22.320 -> 08:24.960] he's trying to pass in one fell swoop,
[08:24.960 -> 08:25.120] and he failed to do so. enough space, regardless of how many cars he's trying to pass in one false swoop, and
[08:25.120 -> 08:27.400] he failed to do so.
[08:27.400 -> 08:34.160] I'd argue that, I totally agree, it's Hamilton's fault, as it was Max's fault in Silverstone,
[08:34.160 -> 08:36.360] the same scenario more or less.
[08:36.360 -> 08:37.360] It's similar.
[08:37.360 -> 08:43.200] Let's just say it's Hamilton's fault, but I would say if you are a team like Mercedes
[08:43.200 -> 08:45.640] and you know the drivers talk to each other
[08:45.640 -> 08:51.840] and you know one guy is starting on a softer tire, he's going faster, you know the T1
[08:51.840 -> 08:58.800] outside is probably where most of the overtakes on this track is done, I would still expect
[08:58.800 -> 09:01.220] Russell not to push that hard to Hamilton.
[09:01.220 -> 09:02.600] They almost touch wheels.
[09:02.600 -> 09:09.880] He should have known he'd be there. But I still agree it's Hamilton's fault, but I would say it's also a little too hard
[09:09.880 -> 09:12.600] raced for George Russell.
[09:12.600 -> 09:18.080] I would argue that the outside line is not favorable at Turn 1 because we've seen that
[09:18.080 -> 09:23.440] the rubbered-in line is closer to the apex, the inside line, and the difference between
[09:23.440 -> 09:25.880] the racing line and off the racing line at this track,
[09:25.880 -> 09:28.920] because it was a brand spanking new surface,
[09:28.920 -> 09:29.760] the delta was there.
[09:29.760 -> 09:31.480] Still is there, most of the overtakes was done,
[09:31.480 -> 09:32.320] wouldn't you agree?
[09:32.320 -> 09:33.800] Ah, it is a struggle.
[09:33.800 -> 09:35.760] I mean, I think most of the time, if it was done,
[09:35.760 -> 09:38.320] it was a soft tire versus a medium tire,
[09:38.320 -> 09:40.480] or a medium tire versus a hard tire.
[09:40.480 -> 09:42.440] Like in this case, Chris, it was a soft tire.
[09:42.440 -> 09:44.840] Yes, like in this case, but it's still not.
[09:44.840 -> 09:47.000] Was he really gonna nail both drivers around that time? Yeah, no, Chris, it was a soft car. Yes, like in this case, but it's still not... Was he really going to nail both drivers rather than that?
[09:47.000 -> 09:50.000] Yeah, no, no, hang on. That's a good point.
[09:50.000 -> 09:53.000] Matt, I actually don't think it was that ambitious.
[09:53.000 -> 09:56.000] I think that move was on, he just messed it up.
[09:56.000 -> 09:58.000] I would agree with you.
[09:58.000 -> 10:06.400] And in fact, I'm surprised, because we are kind of known as being a bit Mercedes biased, a bit Hamilton biased.
[10:06.400 -> 10:07.040] Just a fan.
[10:07.040 -> 10:13.280] And no one yet has taken the opportunity to point out that Max had a very B-flat,
[10:13.280 -> 10:18.800] a very average start here. And this played a part in the chaos, because Russell,
[10:19.520 -> 10:26.400] swinging up behind him, actually had more pace and went outside and hit his rear wheel actually touched
[10:26.400 -> 10:30.520] it, looked like, or almost touched Lewis's front wheel as Lewis was coming around the
[10:30.520 -> 10:32.000] pair of them.
[10:32.000 -> 10:36.400] Now if we didn't have the contact with Russell, let's say he gets a terrible start and he's
[10:36.400 -> 10:42.560] not there, I think it's very conceivable that around the outside of turn one, Lewis hangs
[10:42.560 -> 10:46.520] on and around the inside of turn two, he is gone.
[10:46.520 -> 10:49.720] Because we saw how bad the medium tires are
[10:49.720 -> 10:51.480] in the first lap from the start.
[10:51.480 -> 10:54.840] They don't warm up, there's lots of understeer.
[10:54.840 -> 10:57.560] And yeah, I agree with you, Spanners.
[10:57.560 -> 10:59.200] If that contact hadn't happened,
[10:59.200 -> 11:00.720] I think it was very believable
[11:00.720 -> 11:03.200] you'd see Lewis Hamilton leading the race.
[11:03.200 -> 11:05.800] However, it very much did.
[11:05.800 -> 11:11.940] And they have come to blows a few times so far this season. Not necessarily always in
[11:11.940 -> 11:14.960] wheel-to-wheel combat, of course there was the tripping over each other at Spa, there
[11:14.960 -> 11:16.400] have been a few other incidents.
[11:16.400 -> 11:17.400] Suzuka, Singapore.
[11:17.400 -> 11:24.440] Yeah, yeah, at Suzuka most recently as well. And, you know, Lewis completely held his hands
[11:24.440 -> 11:25.920] up. I know on the radio he said,
[11:25.920 -> 11:29.640] taken out by my teammate, but once he watched the replays, he accepted responsibility. They
[11:29.640 -> 11:35.960] had a nice little moment as well that Mercedes posted afterwards where, you know, Lewis said,
[11:35.960 -> 11:41.080] it wasn't your fault. They had a little bro hug as well, which is good because that tension
[11:41.080 -> 11:48.480] seems to have been escalating over the last few races, especially while Toto Wolff has been absent from races for the last few
[11:48.480 -> 11:51.480] few races. He's having surgery.
[11:51.480 -> 11:52.480] Knee reball isn't he?
[11:52.480 -> 11:52.980] Yeah.
[11:52.980 -> 11:56.720] Oh yeah he's of that age you know like we've been talking a lot about a hips
[11:56.720 -> 11:58.480] Matt and how long we've got left with our hips.
[11:58.480 -> 12:05.920] Exactly and what I wonder is because basically Jerome D'Ambrosio seems to be the
[12:06.560 -> 12:10.880] de facto second in charge now, and I know he does have team principal
[12:11.440 -> 12:14.480] experience from when he was in Formula E with Venturi,
[12:14.960 -> 12:17.920] but he has kind of been thrown in at the deep end with
[12:18.480 -> 12:25.040] two world-class drivers seemingly going at each other's throats a little bit more than normal in these last few races.
[12:25.040 -> 12:33.040] Wasn't it Toto on the call from the Monaco apartment with the knee up just over the Ambrosio?
[12:33.040 -> 12:33.480] Yeah.
[12:33.480 -> 12:39.520] All I'm saying is at the office back at Mercedes after the race, I would say if I was Wolf,
[12:39.520 -> 12:41.440] that was avoidable guys.
[12:41.440 -> 12:42.000] Yes.
[12:42.000 -> 12:43.040] That is all I'm saying.
[12:43.040 -> 12:45.600] Yeah, yeah. So it was so predictable that Hamilton
[12:45.600 -> 12:50.720] was going to get the better jump because he had the clean side of the track, he had a tyre offset
[12:50.720 -> 12:56.400] which we saw in the sprint race how good that tyre offset was. So it was predictable that they were
[12:56.400 -> 13:01.040] going to be alongside each other but they need some team orders now because even leading down
[13:01.040 -> 13:05.800] to turn one they were racing each other so hard. Hamilton moved over to the right
[13:05.800 -> 13:07.960] in quite an aggressive line.
[13:07.960 -> 13:11.000] The line Hamilton took only had one aim
[13:11.000 -> 13:14.040] and that was to box Russell in behind Verstappen
[13:14.040 -> 13:15.360] so that it would just be him and Verstappen
[13:15.360 -> 13:16.200] going into turn one.
[13:16.200 -> 13:19.000] But Hamilton did that and did that to his teammate.
[13:19.000 -> 13:19.840] Russell then-
[13:19.840 -> 13:20.840] Which is how he drove as well.
[13:20.840 -> 13:24.160] Yeah, well then Russell moved left anyway
[13:24.160 -> 13:25.520] and Hamilton had to jump out of
[13:25.520 -> 13:31.120] the way and, you know, Russell was kind of really only still in it because he had the
[13:31.120 -> 13:35.320] slipstream from Verstappen. I don't think Verstappen had a particularly bad start, but
[13:35.320 -> 13:42.040] once they got down into Turn 1, I honestly think had Russell had more time and had Hamilton
[13:42.040 -> 13:45.440] been alongside earlier, because at the point of contact Hamilton
[13:45.440 -> 13:49.960] was really far ahead. So Hamilton was even ahead of Verstappen just. So it was rear wheel
[13:49.960 -> 13:56.820] to front wheel but the pace and tyre difference that allowed him to get there was so quick.
[13:56.820 -> 14:01.520] I think if it was less quick Russell would have chosen to get out of that. And in fact
[14:01.520 -> 14:09.800] if you look at his on board you can see him soaring at the wheel a little bit as he suddenly realizes Hamilton's there. And I think he tries to put a bit more brake
[14:09.800 -> 14:14.200] pressure in, which is what sees him soaring out the way. And his radio messages early
[14:14.200 -> 14:19.600] on, I think he thought it was his fault. So I think he thought, oh no, I should have backed
[14:19.600 -> 14:23.680] out and let him go. And I've tagged him from the rear. And so often when it's from the
[14:23.680 -> 14:25.320] rear, it's your fault.
[14:25.320 -> 14:27.160] So I think he thought it was his fault,
[14:27.160 -> 14:30.000] saw the replay then and no, he had nowhere to go
[14:30.000 -> 14:32.160] and he didn't have enough time to back out.
[14:32.160 -> 14:34.720] But I think the old school races
[14:34.720 -> 14:36.340] are used to a form of racing, Matt,
[14:36.340 -> 14:40.120] where when you get significantly past,
[14:40.120 -> 14:42.720] say that was on an apex and Verstappen wasn't there,
[14:42.720 -> 14:49.120] you know, he's nearly all the way past Russell, I think he's like, well, the move's done, back out. But Russell just didn't have the time
[14:49.120 -> 14:52.960] and he didn't have the space to do it. Yeah, I mean, I think if I could just rephrase it a
[14:52.960 -> 14:59.600] little bit, I think if Russell had... I think it was possible for Russell to have avoided it if
[14:59.600 -> 15:08.160] he'd started earlier backing out. I'm surprised, slightly, that Mercedes just pretty much didn't
[15:08.160 -> 15:12.760] tell him not to fight Lewis on the soft tires because he's going to be hit after four or
[15:12.760 -> 15:18.480] five laps. Your only job really is to be the car behind Verstappen at this point.
[15:18.480 -> 15:19.480] But I also...
[15:19.480 -> 15:22.840] They should have ignored Lewis, act like he's not there, but they were very clearly racing
[15:22.840 -> 15:23.840] each other.
[15:23.840 -> 15:29.040] Yeah, yeah. So, so, like, I don't know what was said before the race. Clearly from a racing
[15:29.040 -> 15:33.360] point of view, there's no way to go but say, well, yeah, it's, it's definitely Lewis's fault.
[15:33.360 -> 15:38.880] But I don't think Lewis, again, I'm not convinced Lewis was racing George at that point. I think he
[15:38.880 -> 15:47.140] was racing Max. And I think that's why, that's why he came in at that angle, which from his onboard, it's not like
[15:47.140 -> 15:51.780] he turns the wheel 90 degrees and really chops the apex.
[15:51.780 -> 15:56.500] It wasn't a really super deep turn that he made, but it was just enough.
[15:56.500 -> 15:57.500] Yeah.
[15:57.500 -> 16:02.800] And the stewards have said that they're not going to put a penalty for it, largely because
[16:02.800 -> 16:07.040] it was the first corner of a race, incident where they tend to give a bit of a
[16:07.120 -> 16:09.120] You know a white flag to those
[16:09.520 -> 16:14.120] Incidents, but they also said that no one was at fault for the big sprinting incident
[16:14.120 -> 16:16.120] Right and that's the next one
[16:16.120 -> 16:18.120] No, oh here we go. That's the one that me
[16:19.080 -> 16:24.440] I was arguing in the whatsapp chat in our group chat and I was arguing with Matt for about an hour and then I just
[16:24.440 -> 16:25.520] fell asleep and then I woke up at four in the morning like squinty group chat, and I was arguing with Matt for about an hour, and then I just fell asleep,
[16:25.520 -> 16:28.240] and then I woke up at four in the morning,
[16:28.240 -> 16:29.720] like squinty-eyed, look at my phone,
[16:29.720 -> 16:32.640] and him and Brad had carried on for like another hour.
[16:32.640 -> 16:34.800] So I'm gonna say this to everyone listening
[16:34.800 -> 16:36.280] who's not on the WhatsApp group.
[16:36.280 -> 16:37.100] Of course.
[16:37.100 -> 16:40.360] If the race would have been like normal race time,
[16:40.360 -> 16:42.920] I couldn't have read all the WhatsApp messages.
[16:42.920 -> 16:43.760] There wouldn't have been time.
[16:43.760 -> 16:45.500] Rob has been mad about this incident.
[16:45.500 -> 16:46.500] Okay, so let's see.
[16:46.500 -> 16:48.000] I luckily had four or five hours more to go.
[16:48.000 -> 16:51.000] Okay, so look, so we won't spend too long on this, but basically,
[16:51.000 -> 16:53.000] Hülkenberg and Ocon are fighting.
[16:53.000 -> 16:56.500] Ocon goes up the inside of a right-hander, overshoots a little bit.
[16:56.500 -> 17:02.500] Hülkenberg gets a great cutback, but all that leaves room and time for Perez to move around the outside
[17:02.500 -> 17:06.460] and be on the outside and on the racing line to the next left-hander.
[17:06.460 -> 17:12.860] Ocon moves over to the right, there's contact with the front of Hülkenberg, spins out, spears Perez off
[17:12.860 -> 17:17.780] and that is the end of those two drivers' races. Now Chris, you said clearly Ocon's fault.
[17:18.060 -> 17:22.060] Yeah, because he failed to leave room for the two cars alongside him on the way into the corner.
[17:22.060 -> 17:27.280] He just drifts across the nose of the two cars alongside him on the way into the corner. He just drifts across the nose of the two cars alongside him, basically.
[17:27.280 -> 17:33.200] Okay, so Matt, it seems fairly clear to me that Ocon just moved into a space where there
[17:33.200 -> 17:38.560] was two drivers. And I know that you're an Ocon fan, so I don't mind you defending your
[17:38.560 -> 17:43.500] guy, but how could you possibly defend what is very clearly Ocon just driving across the
[17:43.500 -> 17:49.200] track and clattering into a bunch of cars? Oh, I'm so tempted. So I'm going to briefly say, because I have,
[17:49.200 -> 17:53.840] I've worked up an analogy for this that I think will make sense to everyone. But before I do that,
[17:53.840 -> 18:00.000] I'm just going to say that Hulkenberg himself said the following words, I want to blame Ocon,
[18:00.000 -> 18:05.040] but I can't. And I'm just going to say, if a Formula One driver, not a steward now,
[18:05.040 -> 18:08.160] not the stewards who also didn't blame Ocon for this, but that's another story.
[18:08.160 -> 18:12.640] Hang on. So can I just point out that this is, Matt, this is an argument from authority.
[18:12.640 -> 18:14.560] We don't do that here. We don't.
[18:14.560 -> 18:15.120] Oh, sure you do.
[18:15.120 -> 18:15.680] No, we don't.
[18:15.680 -> 18:16.880] You quote Brad all the time.
[18:16.880 -> 18:21.920] Oh, that's one of us arguing, but we don't go, well, the driver in the cockpit said this,
[18:21.920 -> 18:26.800] therefore it's that. Like we've seen Hamilton cop for things that aren't his fault before.
[18:26.800 -> 18:28.400] We've seen the stewards get wrong decisions.
[18:28.400 -> 18:32.600] We argued about that because you're talking Albin in Brazil, and I still think that was his fault.
[18:32.600 -> 18:34.400] Okay, but we're not going back to that one.
[18:34.400 -> 18:39.800] But okay, so argument from authority aside, defend Ocon, because look, here's how I see it.
[18:39.800 -> 18:42.600] Is, yeah, even with Hulkenberg trying to get out of the way,
[18:42.600 -> 18:46.840] he doesn't have to move all the way to the right, and he can't anyway because Perez is there.
[18:46.840 -> 18:54.020] And I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding that the car on the inside, on entry, is allowed
[18:54.020 -> 18:57.920] to kind of go all the way to the right until there's a car there.
[18:57.920 -> 19:01.400] But if a car chooses a line that's in the center of the track, they can just stay there
[19:01.400 -> 19:02.400] all day.
[19:02.400 -> 19:10.800] Like the Rosberg, Austria... Yeah, and I would not argue with you about that rule. But what I will say is that I don't think
[19:10.800 -> 19:15.920] that's what was going on here, because I think the pair of them consented to move out to open
[19:15.920 -> 19:21.360] up the next turn. Perez limited Hulkenberg's movement. But please can I use my clever...
[19:21.360 -> 19:24.080] Ah, so they're both wrong. Hang on, hang on. I just want to say that you're explaining that
[19:24.080 -> 19:27.160] both Ocon and Hulkenberg are wrong then.
[19:27.160 -> 19:29.880] Rather than defending Ocon, you're just adding another culprit.
[19:29.880 -> 19:31.600] But what's your analogy, Matt?
[19:31.600 -> 19:37.840] Okay, so let's say you and I live in the same town and we decide we're going to go to the
[19:37.840 -> 19:38.840] pub.
[19:38.840 -> 19:41.080] The Cods will up and turn up a pub together.
[19:41.080 -> 19:42.080] This sounds like a long analogy.
[19:42.080 -> 19:44.160] And we agree to meet at five o'clock.
[19:44.160 -> 19:49.760] And let's say I get to the pub and you're not there, so I call you on my phone.
[19:49.760 -> 19:55.640] And it turns out you have met Kyle, who will always go to a pub whenever he meets anyone,
[19:55.640 -> 20:01.760] and you've gone to the Dung Heap and the Three-Legged Badger, and when I call you, I find this out.
[20:01.760 -> 20:07.120] Now, it's not my fault, necessarily, that you ran into somebody else
[20:07.760 -> 20:13.360] and went to a different pub. In fact, I didn't know that until I reached out and made contact
[20:13.360 -> 20:18.160] with you that there was a third person involved. And this is exactly what I'm saying happened with
[20:18.160 -> 20:25.960] Ocon. He and Hulkenberg agreed to where they were going to go to. Perez shows up late, and the only way Ocon knows Perez is there is when he makes contact with Hulkenberg agreed to where they were going to go to, Perez shows up late, and the only
[20:25.960 -> 20:30.480] way Ocon knows Perez is there is when he makes contact with Hulkenberg, and so therefore
[20:30.480 -> 20:31.480] it's not his fault.
[20:31.480 -> 20:36.160] Okay, a nurse will come to help you in a moment, Christian.
[20:36.160 -> 20:38.000] I mean, come on, that's pretty good.
[20:38.000 -> 20:39.000] Nope.
[20:39.000 -> 20:42.120] Why are you in a pub with Kyle Spence?
[20:42.120 -> 20:50.360] That's my first one. The second one is, as you Matt, I enjoy Ocon as a racing driver because he's like that
[20:50.360 -> 20:53.520] spoiled kid who thinks a bit like a Max Verstappen actually.
[20:53.520 -> 20:57.640] They think they own the track and that is what makes them really, really fast because
[20:57.640 -> 20:59.880] they just conquer it.
[20:59.880 -> 21:09.920] That is what is a racing driver basically, But what he does in his racing is he steps over a line where this is my track, not yours.
[21:09.920 -> 21:11.600] And you can't do that as a racing driver.
[21:11.600 -> 21:13.240] And I think he did that in that corner.
[21:13.240 -> 21:15.760] When that is said and done, it's also a racing incident.
[21:15.960 -> 21:20.680] I think there are mitigating circumstances, but if you had to apply blame, it's simply
[21:20.680 -> 21:24.560] down to Ocon moving across the track into a space where a car already existed.
[21:24.840 -> 21:29.600] Matt, I'll come back with a final point. Please don't be like really long or do an analogy,
[21:29.600 -> 21:32.320] analogy, or mention pubs or anything like that.
[21:32.320 -> 21:37.520] Oh, come on. That was so, so clever. Reach out, contact. Yeah, okay. All right. So I just want
[21:37.520 -> 21:47.660] to make a very simple point about this. We're going to a great deal of effort to solve essentially a contact that was a cut rear tire on a front
[21:47.660 -> 21:49.560] wing end plate.
[21:49.560 -> 21:54.920] Most of the damage that happened was because of the tire getting cut, not because Ocon
[21:54.920 -> 22:00.280] was Botas-like, trying to bull the both of them out of their way.
[22:00.280 -> 22:04.120] And I think that anyone watching that back would accept that he had gone about as far
[22:04.120 -> 22:06.800] as he had planned to before coming back to the next corner.
[22:06.800 -> 22:08.560] Paul Matthew 14 Cool. And so, oh, I get the final word.
[22:09.120 -> 22:14.960] Anything other than blaming Ocon for engaging his Perez-seeking radar is...
[22:14.960 -> 22:18.160] David Hexen He just, he heard Perez over his shoulder
[22:18.160 -> 22:30.000] and went, it's 2018 or whenever it was they were in the force Indias and just and just went for it.
[22:36.560 -> 22:42.400] Max Verstappen won his third title and so obviously congratulations to Max Verstappen and Red Bull but there's no way they listen to Missed Apex Podcast so instead may I extend a
[22:42.400 -> 22:46.520] warm congratulations to any Max Verstappen fans tuning into Missed
[22:46.520 -> 22:47.520] Apex podcast.
[22:47.520 -> 22:54.920] It really is like a wonderful thing when you've invested emotionally in a driver or a team
[22:54.920 -> 23:00.540] and you've watched that journey, that rise up, because he genuinely had bottleneck points
[23:00.540 -> 23:04.860] in his career where he could have lost out badly to Carlos Sainz.
[23:04.860 -> 23:05.920] He could have failed
[23:05.920 -> 23:11.040] to get through the Toro Rosso to the Red Bull Junior program, he could have tripped up over
[23:11.040 -> 23:18.320] any number of really talented drivers that he went up against. Gasly, Albarn, and I think a real kind
[23:18.320 -> 23:26.000] of defining battle early on in his career against Ricardo, where he just stamped his authority on that team.
[23:26.000 -> 23:32.240] And you know, and you can't, you can't deny that he changed the way Formula One drivers
[23:32.240 -> 23:37.640] go racing. And you can debate about whether you like that or not, but he has been a phenomenon
[23:37.640 -> 23:42.720] in Formula One. So congratulations to Max Verstappen fans that have seen that journey
[23:42.720 -> 23:45.040] through those difficult Red Bull years,
[23:45.040 -> 23:52.960] coming back, fighting against and toppling the giant of Mercedes. And whilst this season he
[23:52.960 -> 23:59.280] hasn't really had to pull it all out of the drawer, there's very few people that would end up
[23:59.280 -> 24:04.720] in the position to take this comfortable car advantage, yes, but this comfortable world
[24:04.720 -> 24:05.680] championship, there's
[24:05.680 -> 24:10.880] not many other drivers who would have risen to the top and found themselves in this position.
[24:12.240 -> 24:20.560] Imagine if his old man had gone for the Mercedes junior route and he'd done a year in Formula 2
[24:21.120 -> 24:26.840] and then maybe would have got a seat in a Mercedes customer team, he'd probably only just be ending up
[24:26.840 -> 24:29.760] in a top tier seat right now.
[24:29.760 -> 24:33.080] And it's true what you say about him rising
[24:33.080 -> 24:35.440] to the car he's been given,
[24:35.440 -> 24:37.540] because look at Sergio Perez today.
[24:37.540 -> 24:40.660] I've never seen somebody have to fight so hard
[24:40.660 -> 24:45.520] to score a single point in what is the fastest car.
[24:45.520 -> 24:49.640] I know he came from pit lane, but he took on three track
[24:49.640 -> 24:54.220] limits penalties and just spent way too long battling with cars
[24:54.220 -> 24:55.960] that he shouldn't have been anywhere near.
[24:55.960 -> 24:58.640] Listen, I'm trying to be magnanimous about Verstappen,
[24:58.640 -> 25:00.960] who's the rival of my favorite driver,
[25:00.960 -> 25:02.400] and you have to bring it to Perez,
[25:02.400 -> 25:03.760] my second favorite driver.
[25:03.760 -> 25:10.000] I've suffered enough with that. I will suffer in a Perez segment later, I swear. But Christian, focusing
[25:10.000 -> 25:14.280] on, you know, Verstappen, it's been hard to pick out any standout drives, obviously, because
[25:14.280 -> 25:21.240] you know, they've got a Schumacher Ferrari grip, a Hamilton Mercedes grip on F1 right
[25:21.240 -> 25:27.440] now. That's the achievement, isn't it? I don't think you need to rave over, say, today, that you did anything spectacular today.
[25:28.720 -> 25:34.480] For instance, when we see the greats, there's some clips with Schumacher, there's some clips
[25:34.480 -> 25:40.080] with Hamilton from their youth. I used to watch Max Verstappen do the karting.
[25:42.320 -> 25:48.080] Every time it said Max in the standing somewhere, I just watch the races because
[25:48.080 -> 25:54.040] you just knew you would see something awesome, just as you did with Hamilton in GP2 and stuff
[25:54.040 -> 25:59.620] like that. So, I mean, it's always been there and basically just been in the waiting, but what they
[25:59.620 -> 26:08.560] are doing right now with the Red Bull team is just amazing. And I think it's actually, it's funny that we don't start the entire podcast with just
[26:08.560 -> 26:10.360] congratulating Max Verstappen.
[26:10.360 -> 26:12.240] I'm just gonna...
[26:12.240 -> 26:14.200] You've just given them YouTube comments to put on.
[26:14.200 -> 26:15.200] I'm not gonna...
[26:15.200 -> 26:16.200] I'll just delete them.
[26:16.200 -> 26:20.000] But you know, but also we've known this for like, what, four months now?
[26:20.000 -> 26:23.920] So that's why it's not a surprise.
[26:23.920 -> 26:26.640] He is the real deal and he's gonna win much more. And it's not a surprise, basically. He is the real deal, and he's going to win much more.
[26:26.640 -> 26:28.800] And it's very, very, very impressive.
[26:28.800 -> 26:30.800] Now on to Paris.
[26:30.800 -> 26:31.880] No, Chris.
[26:31.880 -> 26:33.000] Yes.
[26:33.000 -> 26:33.560] Chris.
[26:33.560 -> 26:35.000] You had a point there.
[26:35.000 -> 26:37.800] Yeah, I mean, in the context of this race
[26:37.800 -> 26:43.000] and the 18 lap maximum stint, and Verstappen
[26:43.000 -> 26:44.640] was put in a very good position there,
[26:44.640 -> 26:45.520] because he had lots of lovely
[26:45.520 -> 26:51.960] fresh tyres to use and Matt correct me if I'm wrong, but he had the youngest tyres of
[26:51.960 -> 26:56.320] the sort of the front runners at the very least, which meant that he could run all the
[26:56.320 -> 27:02.740] way up to lap 17 before he had to make his first of the mandatory stops and that kind
[27:02.740 -> 27:06.160] of set him up very nicely because it meant he could just
[27:06.160 -> 27:11.600] cruise to the next pit stop and what we ended up seeing was because nobody could run the
[27:11.600 -> 27:17.080] tires long enough to enter a management phase or get the tires to the point where they were
[27:17.080 -> 27:23.520] going to start wearing, the overcut was king in this race and I think what played into
[27:23.520 -> 27:25.600] that as well was because the surface is very new,
[27:25.600 -> 27:27.520] it's still very smooth and fresh.
[27:27.880 -> 27:32.600] It probably isn't as easy to fire up the tyre very quickly.
[27:32.600 -> 27:35.840] So you come out of the pits on a new tyre
[27:35.840 -> 27:38.920] and you end up losing time to the cars that have stayed out.
[27:38.920 -> 27:43.680] So because he was then able to extend that first into the maximum possible length,
[27:43.680 -> 27:46.340] that's just set him up for the entire Grand Prix now.
[27:46.340 -> 27:52.700] So once that first stop was done, because Piastri had to stop way before the Staffordshire
[27:52.700 -> 27:53.700] and-
[27:53.700 -> 27:56.120] They chose to stop him earlier than he needed to.
[27:56.120 -> 27:58.840] And this is an interesting strategy point you bring up, Chris.
[27:58.840 -> 28:08.240] And I'm glad, because this is where I wanted to go to next, which is, I think the next two big stories, you know, in my mind are the obviously the effect
[28:08.240 -> 28:10.160] of the shorter stints.
[28:10.160 -> 28:12.640] And I wanted to talk about Piastri's performance.
[28:12.640 -> 28:14.560] So I think, you know, we can talk a little bit
[28:14.560 -> 28:16.680] about how we got to this position,
[28:16.680 -> 28:19.840] but I think everyone's kind of tired of that story.
[28:19.840 -> 28:21.360] I didn't do that on purpose right now,
[28:21.360 -> 28:22.960] but yeah, basically there was, you know,
[28:22.960 -> 28:25.200] some curbs that were causing problems.
[28:25.200 -> 28:30.320] We think it's because the frequency of the sound of the tyres going over that kind of
[28:30.320 -> 28:35.360] matched the resonant harmonic frequency of the material and started to make the tyres
[28:35.360 -> 28:38.800] degrade with kind of a latent failure and there was a risk of them exploding.
[28:38.800 -> 28:42.640] They didn't get a proper chance to test it on the sprint race because there were so many
[28:42.640 -> 28:46.160] safety cars. But the more important thing
[28:46.160 -> 28:51.280] is that we ended up in this situation where they couldn't run any single tyre, any new tyre, for
[28:51.280 -> 28:58.640] more than 18 laps. And just to add a small bit of context to that before we get into the race proper,
[28:58.640 -> 29:05.880] is that because this circuit has undergone so many masses of renovations. It is a completely different circuit
[29:05.880 -> 29:08.440] to what they raced in 2021.
[29:08.440 -> 29:10.840] They were treating it like it was a brand new Grand Prix
[29:10.840 -> 29:13.320] and not relying on pretty much any of the data
[29:13.320 -> 29:16.440] they had from the last time that they ran here,
[29:16.440 -> 29:19.920] not least because the cars are entirely different regulations
[29:19.920 -> 29:20.560] as well.
[29:20.560 -> 29:27.560] But the fact that this curb has been allowed to be used, and it was only
[29:27.560 -> 29:31.720] all just finished a couple of weeks ago, right, so it's not like they've had much
[29:31.720 -> 29:34.680] time to really go in and check the effect of what it's gonna have when the
[29:34.680 -> 29:38.800] carts go running. So the severity of these curbs, the fact that it's such a
[29:38.800 -> 29:47.720] fast circuit as well, and the length of these curbs as well, they're really going to spend a lot
[29:47.720 -> 29:49.600] of time on them as well.
[29:49.600 -> 29:57.280] For me, this is more of a circuit and approving the circuit issue than an issue with Pirelli.
[29:57.280 -> 30:00.280] I know everyone's very quick to jump on the horse with Pirelli.
[30:00.280 -> 30:03.080] I know everybody wants to jump on Pirelli.
[30:03.080 -> 30:08.480] Just going to add that the curb that you're pointing out is actually FIA approved.
[30:08.480 -> 30:13.120] And Damasus says we've tested it, we've never seen this before, but I just want to point
[30:13.120 -> 30:16.040] out that none of this really is on the circuit.
[30:16.040 -> 30:20.200] And now that I've done that, I want to spend about 45 minutes explaining resonance, natural
[30:20.200 -> 30:23.800] resonance, harmonic resonance, and exactly what happened.
[30:23.800 -> 30:26.720] You ruined your chance at a long story with the pub.
[30:27.440 -> 30:30.160] Yeah, I've muted him in case he comes up with a pub analogy again.
[30:31.440 -> 30:35.120] I think the point you made at the beginning of the show is the most interesting one, Matt, which is
[30:36.160 -> 30:40.640] this showed us, I know it seemed like there was a lot happening with pit stops, etc.
[30:40.640 -> 30:47.280] But if you could cut the pit stop out of existence, because there was no super bad
[30:47.280 -> 30:51.240] pitstops, there was no real drama around the pitstops. If you just cut that out and turn
[30:51.240 -> 30:56.960] that into one mega length, what you saw was the cars pushing throughout a whole stint.
[30:56.960 -> 31:01.120] This is the first time in a long time where we've seen a race with no tyre saving, because
[31:01.120 -> 31:08.400] it wasn't necessary, because there was enough life in that tyre that you pushed it to the 18 lap maximum and then came in and just got another compound.
[31:09.120 -> 31:14.320] Yeah, in fact, that's what P. Astry said after the race. He said that was like doing 57 quali
[31:14.320 -> 31:19.200] laps. And based on the number of drivers dragged off to the med center and people getting sick
[31:19.200 -> 31:32.880] and having to retire, I'd agree. It was quite the challenge, especially in this climate. But, I mean, it's Formula One, so shouldn't the drivers be maxed out on all 57 laps in every race?
[31:34.560 -> 31:41.280] I got so tired of that, I'm cruising. This is Formula One, everyone should be maxed out.
[31:41.280 -> 31:50.720] Everyone should be almost fainting when the race is finished. That is my opinion. I know the humidity and the Qatar temperatures and stuff like that was a bit too demanding and
[31:50.720 -> 31:56.560] everyone was surprised, but I mean, shouldn't it be like that? Well, I'm just now thinking that
[31:56.560 -> 32:02.400] like, okay, so what did we have? We had Stroll like limping, waddling off to the ambulance in
[32:02.400 -> 32:07.600] some distress after the race. So Logan Sargent quitting with 15 laps to go,
[32:07.600 -> 32:09.300] looking visibly distressed.
[32:09.300 -> 32:13.400] Esteban Ocon throwing up in his helmet in lap 15,
[32:13.400 -> 32:15.000] which must have been dead grim.
[32:15.000 -> 32:17.500] And I have to say, still had a great race after that.
[32:17.500 -> 32:20.300] You had Oscar Piastri just on the floor.
[32:20.300 -> 32:23.000] Yeah, Oscar Piastri just on the floor in the green room.
[32:23.000 -> 32:27.600] I don't think I've seen Verstappen flop down like that after a race before.
[32:27.600 -> 32:29.840] So it could just be Alonso as well.
[32:29.840 -> 32:31.660] Yeah, he was on the floor.
[32:31.660 -> 32:33.640] He got out of his car and just stretched.
[32:33.640 -> 32:34.800] He did like the old man.
[32:34.800 -> 32:35.800] I said, I'm done.
[32:35.800 -> 32:36.800] I'm laying down.
[32:36.800 -> 32:37.800] I'm not saying I want that.
[32:37.800 -> 32:40.080] You're watching TV on the couch and then you're like, that's it.
[32:40.080 -> 32:41.600] I'm going to stretch out on the couch.
[32:41.600 -> 32:42.600] That's literally what Alonso did.
[32:42.600 -> 32:45.360] So no, but my point is, Christian, I know you're not saying you want it,
[32:45.360 -> 32:48.360] but what we've seen here is we've not actually seen
[32:48.360 -> 32:52.720] drivers pushing flat out for 57 laps before.
[32:52.720 -> 32:54.080] And that's what that looks like,
[32:54.080 -> 32:55.920] and you saw, kind of, while you go,
[32:55.920 -> 32:57.760] okay, now these are top athletes
[32:57.760 -> 32:59.400] who are being pushed to extremes
[32:59.400 -> 33:01.360] that they're actually unused to.
[33:01.360 -> 33:03.960] So there's no chance for any of them to get bored,
[33:03.960 -> 33:05.520] and the first casualty on
[33:05.520 -> 33:10.240] that list was Logan Sargent. But if you run that another 20 laps, you might have lost another five
[33:10.240 -> 33:15.120] drivers. Yeah, it's entirely possible. And what I love about it, like this was also something that
[33:15.120 -> 33:22.400] Max said after the race, was that because the degradation wasn't there on the tires, Red Bull
[33:22.400 -> 33:26.840] actually lost one of its biggest advantages. So if you look
[33:26.840 -> 33:31.360] at the closing margins, they weren't that great, even though I think McLaren in the
[33:31.360 -> 33:37.400] first stint essentially decided they were racing for second and third and not first,
[33:37.400 -> 33:42.040] and that's why they brought Piastri in when they did. The fact of the matter is that you
[33:42.040 -> 33:46.480] take away one of Red Bull's biggest advantages by limiting the stents like that.
[33:46.480 -> 33:50.680] So, and there's a few teams that I would argue, like we said this before the start of the
[33:50.680 -> 33:56.440] race, okay, this is going to suit Piastri, who doesn't quite seem to have the same grip
[33:56.440 -> 34:00.960] as say Norris at managing tires over a Grand Prix length.
[34:00.960 -> 34:04.040] McLaren in general haven't been too kind on their tires.
[34:04.040 -> 34:06.080] Ferrari have not been kind on
[34:06.080 -> 34:12.400] their tyres either. And I expected Russell to do relatively better as well. And I think pretty much
[34:12.400 -> 34:17.280] all of those played out. We didn't get a chance to see Hamilton versus Russell on race pace,
[34:17.280 -> 34:22.240] but I'm guessing that this would have been one of the closer comparisons that we could have had
[34:22.240 -> 34:25.440] between the two of them. So what kind of racing do we want, Chris?
[34:25.440 -> 34:27.400] Is this the kind of racing we want?
[34:27.400 -> 34:32.400] Because we've become used to F1 being a chess match,
[34:32.600 -> 34:35.240] whereas this was much more of a two hour sprint
[34:35.240 -> 34:36.720] or an hour and a half sprint.
[34:36.720 -> 34:37.880] So I will just say,
[34:37.880 -> 34:41.680] Formula One has never been flat out racing, ever.
[34:41.680 -> 34:44.000] There has always been some sort of management.
[34:44.000 -> 34:48.800] When the turbo, the hybrid power units came in
[34:48.800 -> 34:52.520] and everyone was talking about 100 kilos of fuel and they were saying, oh, well, they're
[34:52.520 -> 34:56.680] going to have to be fuel saving like crazy. This is a whole new thing that no one's ever
[34:56.680 -> 35:01.240] had to do before. I was like, no, they've always been fuel saving. They've always been
[35:01.240 -> 35:05.760] doing some form of tire management or some form of car management.
[35:06.400 -> 35:12.400] For me, it's a totally normal part of any motor race, not just Formula 1. And I think when you
[35:12.400 -> 35:17.120] do start adding those kinds of things in there, you start to get more variables that actually
[35:17.120 -> 35:21.680] makes the racing better. And I think when you just let them go flat out for an hour and a half,
[35:22.240 -> 35:25.600] you don't end up with as good a race.
[35:29.360 -> 35:33.280] Well, I think a lot of this goes back to the, um, I know it was Ross Braun, it was Michael Schumacher, that race where he's like, okay, I'm going to need you to do
[35:34.160 -> 35:40.000] qualifying laps to the end in order to win it. And I think everyone just got the entirely wrong
[35:40.000 -> 35:47.760] idea about racing, because annoyingly, Chris is correct about this, management is always
[35:47.760 -> 35:57.020] an important skill in any race and tire management has become the preeminent skill of this racing
[35:57.020 -> 35:58.020] era.
[35:58.020 -> 36:08.960] I'm not saying I want races to be now pedal to the metal for 90 minutes, the end.
[36:08.960 -> 36:10.200] Because I love the strategy.
[36:10.200 -> 36:15.600] I love the games that are in Formula 1 and other series as well.
[36:15.600 -> 36:20.600] But as Spanner said, the chess part has simply become too big.
[36:20.600 -> 36:25.360] I know you can probably win a race faster by going a little low on fuel,
[36:25.360 -> 36:30.440] and theoretically you put things together and then you have a shorter time frame,
[36:30.440 -> 36:32.440] you finish the race distance.
[36:32.440 -> 36:35.320] I know those things exist, but we should have races like this,
[36:35.320 -> 36:40.560] especially on a track like Lucerne, which is probably the closest.
[36:40.560 -> 36:43.640] With Hungary, we come to a karting track.
[36:43.640 -> 36:46.000] It's full on, it's each corner, you
[36:46.000 -> 36:53.960] see Russell going down into the T4 or was it T6, doing a non-DRS overtaking karting
[36:53.960 -> 36:58.280] style. And this is what they are all brought up with when you put them in the kart, all
[36:58.280 -> 37:04.040] the Formula One drivers, everyone, this is the true essence of racing, yada, yada, yada.
[37:04.040 -> 37:07.000] We should have races like that, maybe four or five a year,
[37:07.040 -> 37:09.160] a season that is just full on.
[37:09.680 -> 37:15.840] I agree. I did really enjoy the variety of overtaking we did see.
[37:15.840 -> 37:21.400] The less non-DRS overtakes,
[37:22.080 -> 37:26.280] which was really great to see, and proper undercutting each other
[37:26.280 -> 37:31.040] and swapping and changing rather than just push a button and get free overtake.
[37:31.040 -> 37:35.920] Yeah, I think there is a happy medium there, but I do want to make the brief point that
[37:35.920 -> 37:40.960] we did see some divergent tire strategy, not just in terms of compound, but in terms of
[37:40.960 -> 37:45.160] how many laps left the tires had when they started the race and
[37:45.560 -> 37:51.220] That we were able to see that play out which was which is both entertaining and fun
[37:51.220 -> 37:55.920] I think the idea of requiring the drivers to be good at managing the tires. I like that
[37:55.920 -> 37:57.700] That's a really challenging skill
[37:57.700 -> 38:07.720] Not everyone can have it, but I think it is as Spanner says perhaps a bit too big a percentage at the moment.
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[39:38.720 -> 39:46.320] Okay so I've got two points here then is grip and discipline. Okay, so the first thing is, I mean, this track was
[39:46.320 -> 39:52.080] relatively low grip, especially on the sprint race, and that was pretty good, and we saw some
[39:52.080 -> 39:58.800] genuinely good racing here. I think because the track looks very bland, you can kind of go, well,
[39:58.800 -> 40:04.080] it doesn't look like there's much of an atmosphere there, like the crowd doesn't look very populated,
[40:04.080 -> 40:06.160] I don't believe the attendance figures,
[40:06.160 -> 40:10.960] and it's flat. And I think when a track is very flat like that, it can just make it look like,
[40:11.520 -> 40:17.040] you know, they've just constructed a bit of tarmac in the middle of a desert. But the track is good,
[40:17.040 -> 40:23.120] and the sand coming across on Friday and Saturday made things really interesting, which says to me,
[40:23.680 -> 40:26.200] let's have a formula with less grip.
[40:26.200 -> 40:28.080] There's too much grip.
[40:28.080 -> 40:30.040] You don't have to do my groove tires, Matt,
[40:30.040 -> 40:32.240] but you need to rip the wings off.
[40:32.240 -> 40:34.440] You need to narrow the tires.
[40:34.440 -> 40:38.160] Less grip always makes for better racing.
[40:38.160 -> 40:39.000] You know what?
[40:39.000 -> 40:41.200] Keep the power the same, make the cars shorter,
[40:41.200 -> 40:43.040] narrower, and lighter, and guess what?
[40:43.040 -> 40:45.680] You also lose downforce. Have I not been saying this for the last three years? Everyone has. No, narrower, and lighter, and guess what? You also lose. Downforce.
[40:45.680 -> 40:47.920] Have I not been saying this for the last three years?
[40:47.920 -> 40:48.920] Everyone has.
[40:48.920 -> 40:51.120] No, no, this is entirely me. You got it from me.
[40:51.120 -> 40:56.760] I'm the only one that's ever said it. No, but you are. Everyone says it. Everyone says
[40:56.760 -> 41:02.200] it. And I don't know why the power to downforce and grip ratio just keeps going up and up
[41:02.200 -> 41:09.520] and up. I don't think it's safety. I think it's ego. I think they have to swing their biggest lap times around the rest of the Grand Prix
[41:09.520 -> 41:14.720] world. But if you want better racing, you've got to get rid of some of the levels of grip
[41:14.720 -> 41:18.760] and you can just have cushions around the side of the track, can't you?
[41:18.760 -> 41:21.080] Are we going to talk about Paris now?
[41:21.080 -> 41:23.160] No, I've got one more thing to talk about.
[41:23.160 -> 41:25.520] You almost pulled that off, Spanner. It's very good.
[41:25.520 -> 41:27.600] I've got one more thing here with this.
[41:27.600 -> 41:31.960] So if you had this kind of format where the tire wear
[41:31.960 -> 41:33.320] is much less of an issue.
[41:33.320 -> 41:35.240] And I think in reality, it's somewhere
[41:35.240 -> 41:38.880] between what we had today, where it's flat out all the time,
[41:38.880 -> 41:42.520] and say the extreme tire management that you get
[41:42.520 -> 41:45.360] at a Singapore Grand Prix one-stop where it's,
[41:45.360 -> 41:50.480] you know, it's literally to your detriment if you don't slow four, five, six, seven seconds
[41:50.480 -> 41:54.640] a lap down and save your tyres to make sure you hit the one-stop and then no one can overtake
[41:54.640 -> 41:59.600] you because there's wads of downforce and aero wash and you're on a stupid street track.
[41:59.600 -> 42:07.960] So the truth is probably somewhere in between. But what's interesting is, if you had this kind of formula for the last 10 years, the
[42:07.960 -> 42:13.320] race we've had today, and the skills you need, Lewis Hamilton probably doesn't thump Bottas
[42:13.320 -> 42:14.320] like he thumped Bottas.
[42:14.320 -> 42:15.320] Do you know what I mean?
[42:15.320 -> 42:18.160] There's a fundamental change in discipline.
[42:18.160 -> 42:20.840] Mark Webber probably does a hell of a lot better.
[42:20.840 -> 42:25.760] Kimi Raikkonen extends his career. Chris, whenever, when they made the compounds
[42:25.760 -> 42:32.040] super hard in 2013, before they changed it after Tiregate at Silverstone, Webber was
[42:32.040 -> 42:35.160] looking pretty strong. Am I imagining? I'm not imagining that.
[42:35.160 -> 42:39.440] No, you're not imagining at all. When they, when they destroyed the Red Bull diffuser
[42:39.440 -> 42:46.160] with Tyre Squirt, it was Webber's game until they swapped back because of the debacle at Silverstone, which
[42:46.160 -> 42:47.720] was not Pirelli's fault.
[42:47.720 -> 42:50.480] Teams were running the tires wrong sides, wrong directions.
[42:50.480 -> 42:51.480] Yeah.
[42:51.480 -> 42:54.480] I think there is a happy medium here, Spanners.
[42:54.480 -> 42:59.880] And this is what we used to have when races used to be either like a one stop versus a
[42:59.880 -> 43:03.080] two stop or a two stop versus a three stop.
[43:03.080 -> 43:06.560] Not mandated, just that this is actually the fastest way to run
[43:06.560 -> 43:12.720] quote unquote yeah yeah do we do we think a two stop is going to be better than a three stop and
[43:13.440 -> 43:18.160] those were the kind of races i i really enjoyed for me that no no the best race in the early area
[43:18.160 -> 43:21.840] of the pirelli days the best races we've had over the last two or three years have always been
[43:21.840 -> 43:27.800] that border one two or border two three yeah but you can't mandate it because today has proved it.
[43:27.800 -> 43:32.380] Once you mandate that you have to stop this many times what you end up is
[43:32.380 -> 43:35.600] with these these little pit windows where everybody does their stops and you
[43:35.600 -> 43:41.540] decrease variety. All I gotta say is I can fix your problem and the problem is
[43:41.540 -> 43:46.560] how long the pit stops take. Make the pit delta 15 to 18 seconds.
[43:46.560 -> 43:50.200] How though? And suddenly, suddenly you have the kind of
[43:50.200 -> 43:54.160] racing we're talking about where people who take it all out of the tire can go against
[43:54.160 -> 43:57.960] people who can make it last forever and you get to the end of the race and you're not
[43:57.960 -> 44:02.120] sure who's going to win. It's easy. Get rid of pit lane speed limits.
[44:02.120 -> 44:11.680] Pit lane speed limits are woke. But the is this has all been an issue since the cameraman got struck in Nürburgring 2013
[44:11.680 -> 44:17.680] when Weber's tyre fell off and it bounced down the pit lane and hit a cameraman and so they
[44:17.680 -> 44:23.200] reduced the pit lane speed limit from I think 100kms to 80kms or something. That of course meant
[44:23.200 -> 44:25.840] it took longer to do a pit stop.
[44:25.840 -> 44:30.480] You'd lose more time, and suddenly it wasn't worth doing pit stops anymore. Ever since then,
[44:30.480 -> 44:34.480] it has always been a push to do fewer stops. I'm assuming you guys can't hear the bumpers
[44:34.480 -> 44:38.240] at the moment, because that... I was trying to move on! We can't hear them at all.
[44:38.240 -> 44:39.360] Right, I'm gonna do it again. Chris!
[44:39.360 -> 44:42.720] Nope! Right, I'll give up.
[44:42.720 -> 44:46.200] No, I... sorry, I didn't realise you were playing the bumper right that second.
[44:46.200 -> 44:47.200] I literally didn't hear it.
[44:47.200 -> 44:51.240] All I was going to say is, Chris, we could just make the pit exit in a different place
[44:51.240 -> 44:59.400] and cut off more of the lap and we could solve the problem that way.
[44:59.400 -> 45:02.200] I did such a zinger segue into that bumper and everything.
[45:02.200 -> 45:04.320] Right, don't even fix it in post, Steve.
[45:04.320 -> 45:09.840] Show, show them, show what they did. Right, no. So, Piastri deserves some real props here. I got
[45:09.840 -> 45:16.000] overexcited at the last race with his qualifying performance and yeah, kind of showing up a little
[45:16.000 -> 45:22.960] bit in the race. But here, Christian, I think, you know, over the course of a weekend, yeah,
[45:22.960 -> 45:25.040] slightly different circumstances. I think it's hard to deny that course of a weekend, yeah, slightly different circumstances.
[45:25.040 -> 45:28.480] I think it's hard to deny that he's here, he's arrived.
[45:28.960 -> 45:34.000] He, I'm not sure if anyone have kids of you guys.
[45:34.000 -> 45:36.240] If you have a 14-year-old boy, for instance,
[45:36.240 -> 45:39.200] and he brings home the most shy kid from his class,
[45:39.200 -> 45:42.800] that is Piastri, that guy who's in the background.
[45:42.800 -> 45:46.300] I just, I find him so, I like him so much.
[45:46.300 -> 45:49.200] I don't know how to express it in another way.
[45:49.200 -> 45:54.600] It's not sexual, Spanish, and it's not like a physical attraction.
[45:54.600 -> 45:59.700] I don't think that needed clarifying, nor would that necessarily be bad.
[45:59.700 -> 46:01.300] It's 2023.
[46:01.300 -> 46:03.200] We need to clarify things.
[46:03.200 -> 46:10.000] His mom is on a high roll with her tweets and the way he's just performing,
[46:10.000 -> 46:12.800] you can see it in Lando's face.
[46:12.800 -> 46:14.800] It's under his skin.
[46:14.800 -> 46:21.300] This will be the second driver who is his teammate who will most likely win a race before him.
[46:21.300 -> 46:24.000] This is not good news for Lando.
[46:24.000 -> 46:25.440] Even though I think he does it really well in that situation, This is not good news for Lando. Even though I think he does it
[46:25.440 -> 46:28.840] really well in that situation, it's not good news.
[46:28.840 -> 46:33.680] Chris, your opinion on Piastri and could we keep it to, I mean, the driving for now? Just
[46:33.680 -> 46:36.880] for now. We can move on later, we'll decide.
[46:36.880 -> 46:42.000] I'll stick to the driving. So first of all, I feel so vindicated because at the start
[46:42.000 -> 46:45.160] of the season I'm like, oh, why is everyone so excited about Piastri?
[46:45.160 -> 46:46.480] He's nothing special.
[46:46.480 -> 46:49.440] He is incredibly special, and he is proving that
[46:49.440 -> 46:52.560] now that he's been given the tools to do so.
[46:52.560 -> 46:54.680] And, you know, we've been talking about Lewis and George
[46:54.680 -> 46:56.280] starting to get at each other's throats.
[46:56.280 -> 46:58.320] The next one that's going to happen is,
[46:58.320 -> 47:00.640] and it's kind of already brewing a little bit,
[47:00.640 -> 47:02.400] is going to be Lando and Oscar.
[47:02.400 -> 47:03.920] Yeah, but hang on, just to...
[47:03.920 -> 47:06.800] I wish for that too. I like the Astrid,
[47:06.800 -> 47:08.200] but look at even today,
[47:08.200 -> 47:11.200] when the thing where he's been lacking to Norris
[47:11.200 -> 47:13.600] has been managing the tyres over a Grand Prix distance.
[47:13.600 -> 47:17.400] Even today, when that was also not a requirement,
[47:17.400 -> 47:21.800] it's hard to argue that Norris wasn't the faster race day driver.
[47:21.800 -> 47:24.000] But Lando is the one with the experience.
[47:24.000 -> 47:24.600] Yeah.
[47:24.600 -> 47:28.920] It's like when Lewis was paired with Fernando McLaren.
[47:28.920 -> 47:31.560] And oftentimes, you'd see Fernando come out
[47:31.560 -> 47:35.400] on top in a race, but not because he was necessarily
[47:35.400 -> 47:36.320] faster than Lewis.
[47:36.320 -> 47:37.800] It's because he was more experienced,
[47:37.800 -> 47:41.280] and he was able to deploy that knowledge,
[47:41.280 -> 47:43.320] much in the same way that Lewis now deploys
[47:43.320 -> 47:46.080] that knowledge over George.
[47:46.080 -> 47:50.080] And we're seeing that now with Lando and Oscar as well.
[47:50.080 -> 47:55.400] And the fact that Oscar has now come in and, you know, Christian, you were saying that
[47:55.400 -> 47:57.000] he's going to win a race before Lando.
[47:57.000 -> 47:58.860] Technically, he has won.
[47:58.860 -> 48:01.400] He won the sprint at the weekend.
[48:01.400 -> 48:05.520] And so he is a race winner before Lando Norris. That is going to absolutely
[48:05.520 -> 48:13.320] grate him because he knows he lost a front row start for the Grand Prix because he kept
[48:13.320 -> 48:18.960] breaching track limits and he knows that he was like a tenth of a second away from the
[48:18.960 -> 48:23.000] sprint pole as well and that race would have played out incredibly differently. He would
[48:23.000 -> 48:27.100] have started on the cleaner side of the grid. He'd have been the one leading into the first corner
[48:27.100 -> 48:31.680] and Oscar would have been the one dropping back into the pack. And we see again, the
[48:31.680 -> 48:35.620] difference that was made in the Grand Prix was the fact that Lando had to start further
[48:35.620 -> 48:40.000] back and he had more ground to make up over Oscar, even if they both had the clean line
[48:40.000 -> 48:48.400] through turn one, avoiding most of the chaos.ndo finished behind Piastri in both the sprint and the Grand Prix today because of
[48:48.400 -> 48:50.680] his qualifying performances.
[48:50.680 -> 48:55.640] And he has held up his hand to those mistakes and he needs to eliminate them because Oscar
[48:55.640 -> 48:58.640] will give him no margin for error now.
[48:58.640 -> 49:03.220] And Matt will now lead us into the segment where we subjectively analyse the McLaren
[49:03.220 -> 49:05.440] drivers based on their attractiveness.
[49:05.440 -> 49:10.880] Okay, on with you, Matt. Go. And by the way, Christian, no one in the live chat is buying
[49:10.880 -> 49:15.520] your protestations at all. Hey, Chris just said Alonso is on top,
[49:15.520 -> 49:17.520] so I'm not the only one. Right.
[49:19.520 -> 49:26.000] Yeah, okay. So to point us back at something that resembles racing.
[49:31.760 -> 49:40.080] Yeah, the Norris thing I want to get to in a second, but in terms of the race, let's not forget McLaren did pit Piastri early and into traffic and by my very rough calculations, that cost him
[49:40.080 -> 49:46.480] easily eight seconds. He was only two seconds behind Max when they pitted him, two, two and a
[49:46.480 -> 49:52.160] half seconds behind Max. So right off the bat, we're looking at a different race. If they went
[49:52.160 -> 49:58.800] full, we're going after Red Bull strategy versus let's protect second place. And the other thing I
[49:58.800 -> 50:03.360] want to say is that Norris, yeah, was clearly faster. I think it was faster in the sprint,
[50:03.360 -> 50:05.360] and he was faster in the race.
[50:05.360 -> 50:11.480] In qualifying, it's starting to become a little thing that P. Astry is quicker than him.
[50:11.480 -> 50:12.480] It isn't surprising.
[50:12.480 -> 50:13.980] P. Astry is younger.
[50:13.980 -> 50:17.240] Younger people have better reflexes, they tend to be quicker at stuff like this.
[50:17.240 -> 50:19.400] And P. Astry absolutely isn't as fast.
[50:19.400 -> 50:24.440] But I will throw one final barb at McLaren, although I understand why they did it, is
[50:24.440 -> 50:25.360] that most
[50:25.360 -> 50:31.480] of the fun in this race was going to be watching Norris try to pass Piastri, and instead the
[50:31.480 -> 50:35.800] only entertainment we got was the in-and-out laps for their last pit stop, in which Norris
[50:35.800 -> 50:41.560] almost but not quite caught him. And then McLaren was like, well, sorry, the fun's over,
[50:41.560 -> 50:45.360] kids. Bring it home in one piece. Which, to be fair, they probably saw the start
[50:45.360 -> 50:49.440] of the race, so I can't blame them for saying that. I just want to make a little point about
[50:49.440 -> 50:56.640] McLaren in general, because for the past few years, there's been like this, that Zach Brown
[50:56.640 -> 51:09.880] is just an American who knows how to sell sponsorship, but he doesn't know how to run a team. If you look at McLaren, they are 11 points behind, what is it?
[51:09.880 -> 51:10.880] What is it?
[51:10.880 -> 51:11.880] What is it?
[51:11.880 -> 51:12.880] What is it?
[51:12.880 -> 51:13.880] Chris?
[51:13.880 -> 51:14.880] Chris?
[51:14.880 -> 51:15.880] Chris?
[51:15.880 -> 51:16.880] Chris?
[51:16.880 -> 51:17.880] Chris?
[51:17.880 -> 51:18.880] Yes.
[51:18.880 -> 51:19.880] They were 104 behind four races ago.
[51:19.880 -> 51:23.960] I mean, McLaren is doing pretty good, and that is not just because of the drivers.
[51:23.960 -> 51:25.360] That is the management. That is who is designing pretty good and that is not just because of the drivers, that is the management,
[51:25.360 -> 51:27.560] that is who is designing the car and all.
[51:27.560 -> 51:32.720] I just think it's a really, really big head off for the entire McLaren team.
[51:32.720 -> 51:36.720] I think it's safe to say they've got the second fastest car at the moment.
[51:36.720 -> 51:41.560] Two double podium finishes in the Grand Prix back to back now as well.
[51:41.560 -> 51:43.020] It's looking very good for them.
[51:43.020 -> 51:48.560] What was interesting to me was when they started imposing the team order, saying, Lando,
[51:48.560 -> 51:56.520] do not attack Oscar, Lando came in with this really jovial tone on the radio, like, why
[51:56.520 -> 51:57.520] would you want to do that?
[51:57.520 -> 52:01.600] I'm clearly faster than him!
[52:01.600 -> 52:06.560] Just interesting to me, the way he has that relationship with his engineer or seemingly with the team
[52:06.560 -> 52:12.000] because normally when this happens it's a very steadfast, but I'm faster than him you should let me through.
[52:12.000 -> 52:16.480] It was Sir Eston Martin I meant, not Ferrari, my mistake, sorry.
[52:16.480 -> 52:20.000] I mean Ferrari couldn't even start two whole cars so why are we talking about that?
[52:20.000 -> 52:24.400] Yeah but that gets half the heartbreak out of the way early, I think that was a mercy to the Tifosi.
[52:24.400 -> 52:30.640] Yeah if I'm science I'm looking at the drivers afterwards and thinking well, okay could have been worse races to miss. Um
[52:31.400 -> 52:33.400] Well now and now I've distracted myself
[52:33.600 -> 52:38.400] Thank you very much because I did have a good and clever point to make there, but I say, okay
[52:38.400 -> 52:42.720] Well, I can I can I can rescue you, but I've also I've also lost my point
[52:42.720 -> 52:47.120] So I think and I'll just warn everyone I'm about to play a bumper I think it's time to move on.
[52:53.600 -> 52:59.200] So there was some interesting antics I've just got in my notes the Alonzo incident just because
[52:59.200 -> 53:10.160] I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like it we see a puff of smoke and you go well he's off track and then the camera focuses back on him again and suddenly he's on track. But you know over
[53:10.160 -> 53:14.480] the course of a weekend you get used to the camera angles and I was like what what race
[53:14.480 -> 53:18.240] is this? What what part of the track is he on? And he's on just a completely different
[53:18.240 -> 53:26.120] road and just for all his experience in Grand Prix racing, it's like a merging slip road on a motorway
[53:26.120 -> 53:30.960] and he just absolutely slings it on track in front of Leclerc. Do we know if he got
[53:30.960 -> 53:36.180] a penalty for that? I think a reprimand. Oh right, okay. That seems to be the kind of
[53:36.180 -> 53:40.060] bailout thing at the moment. There's a lot of reprimands going around. Yeah, like the
[53:40.060 -> 53:45.260] five second penalty. For me, the bigger loser there was the fact that we were watching
[53:45.260 -> 53:49.440] whoever was in front of him rather than Alonso passing Leclerc, which I don't think we ever
[53:49.440 -> 53:53.440] got a replay of for what seemed like a mega move.
[53:53.440 -> 53:58.960] But Aston Martin, on the whole, you would say this has to go down as a weekend to forget?
[53:58.960 -> 53:59.960] Because Alonso was...
[53:59.960 -> 54:00.960] No!
[54:00.960 -> 54:02.960] Oh, okay, hang on. Whoa. Whoa! Okay.
[54:02.960 -> 54:05.880] Whoa! Someone gets triggered.
[54:05.880 -> 54:10.000] In the Grand Prix, it looked like at one point,
[54:10.000 -> 54:11.920] Alonso was gonna be fighting for third,
[54:11.920 -> 54:14.520] and he ends up quite the way down.
[54:14.520 -> 54:16.560] Well, at one point, he was ahead of Russell,
[54:16.560 -> 54:18.760] he was behind only one McLaren.
[54:18.760 -> 54:21.240] He wound up sixth, Alonso did.
[54:21.240 -> 54:22.720] So if that was the beginning of the season,
[54:22.720 -> 54:24.400] they'd be wanting to push forward past Piastri,
[54:24.400 -> 54:29.440] not be clinging on as they go fall back down the grid. And on pace, you go, okay, well,
[54:29.440 -> 54:36.400] that was the fourth or fifth fastest car. So that and the fact that they were so short on one side
[54:36.400 -> 54:41.760] of the garage. So that's why I would say overall, that is a weekend to forget, Chris. Okay, so I'm
[54:41.760 -> 54:50.900] just ignoring Stroll at this point, effectively. But what I should say is, maybe more was on the table because Alonso did scuff a couple
[54:50.900 -> 54:54.200] of places there with that off.
[54:54.200 -> 54:55.640] But maybe would have lost them.
[54:55.640 -> 55:03.240] Anyway, I'd say this is a better performance from, in terms of the pace from Alonso's side
[55:03.240 -> 55:09.300] of the garage than we've seen in recent races. So for me, I would say that's quite good. But I think what this weekend
[55:09.300 -> 55:17.820] has demonstrably proved is that Stroll is costing them a higher position in the Constructors'
[55:17.820 -> 55:26.040] World Championship, at least two places. And it has never been more evident than this weekend when Stroll first of all
[55:26.040 -> 55:34.560] qualified 1.1 seconds behind Alonso in Friday qualifying, then shoved his instructor, gave
[55:34.560 -> 55:36.360] one of the best interviews I've ever seen.
[55:36.360 -> 55:37.360] A trainer, not instructor.
[55:37.360 -> 55:38.360] Qualifying.
[55:38.360 -> 55:41.280] Yeah, sorry, yeah. Instructor, coach, trainer, whatever.
[55:41.280 -> 55:44.560] That makes him sound like he's, you know, he's on a, you know, an experience, corporate
[55:44.560 -> 55:45.560] experience day.
[55:45.560 -> 55:51.360] Yeah, like he's hired Brad to have him an instructor. But to me, that is all the hallmarks
[55:51.360 -> 55:57.320] of a broken driver who doesn't want to be there anymore. I've got a really strong feeling
[55:57.320 -> 56:04.640] that Papa Stroll is going to cut his losses and pull both himself and Lance out of the
[56:04.640 -> 56:05.600] team at the end of this year.
[56:05.600 -> 56:06.800] Sodiq Ganiyu At the end of this year?
[56:06.800 -> 56:09.920] Alistair McElroy Yeah, I think so. Because they know,
[56:09.920 -> 56:18.800] they know! They need a better driver than Stroll to get that car to where it deserves to be. Alonso
[56:18.800 -> 56:24.000] is proving what that car is capable of. And there is just too much evidence now that Stroll is
[56:24.000 -> 56:25.040] holding that team back
[56:25.040 -> 56:27.120] in the Constructors' Championship.
[56:27.120 -> 56:29.040] The reason I say at the end of this year as well
[56:29.040 -> 56:31.280] is because we had a rather timely announcement
[56:31.280 -> 56:33.600] from Aston Martin about their return to Le Mans.
[56:33.600 -> 56:35.480] Speaking of reprimands, Christian, a quick one there,
[56:35.480 -> 56:39.220] but you are on a two-podcast reprimands now.
[56:39.220 -> 56:41.120] I was just gonna second what Chris just said.
[56:41.120 -> 56:46.400] The VEC or LMP program Aston Martin is talking about, that is just,
[56:46.400 -> 56:48.720] that is where he's going to go. And that's going to be a good story.
[56:49.360 -> 56:50.160] Matt.
[56:50.160 -> 56:54.560] All right. So boy, do I have a few things to say. Like, I'm amazed, you know, like I listen to
[56:54.560 -> 56:59.040] Chris and I think, oh, here's insightful analysis. He knows so much. And then he goes and says stuff
[56:59.040 -> 57:05.480] like that. I'm like, did he even watch the same race that I saw with my very own peepers here?
[57:05.480 -> 57:12.200] First of all, when have you ever seen Alonso have not one, but two massive offs in a single
[57:12.200 -> 57:15.920] race and you're going to sit there and tell me that they had a good weekend?
[57:15.920 -> 57:18.600] That car is very clearly barely drivable.
[57:18.600 -> 57:20.600] I didn't call it a good weekend.
[57:20.600 -> 57:22.320] Spanner said it was one to forget.
[57:22.320 -> 57:23.400] I think it was too.
[57:23.400 -> 57:29.040] I think the only thing that saved them was starting so high up, and just Alonso's sheer
[57:29.040 -> 57:30.040] Alonzoness.
[57:30.040 -> 57:33.920] Secondly, you were right to go on a stroll.
[57:33.920 -> 57:37.840] He had a terrible Friday, he had a terrible Saturday.
[57:37.840 -> 57:43.000] But, today, he was well, he was actually in for points today.
[57:43.000 -> 57:44.000] Ohhhh.
[57:44.000 -> 57:49.440] Except for the off tracks, and the only, and let's face it, he had some great battles.
[57:49.440 -> 57:51.360] He had some great battles with Gasly.
[57:51.360 -> 57:56.520] In fact, Gasly had to drive farther off track than I saw Alonso go in order to get round
[57:56.520 -> 57:57.520] Stroll.
[57:57.520 -> 57:59.880] It wasn't a bad day today for Stroll.
[57:59.880 -> 58:06.800] And to me, this is interesting because he has been terrible. I would agree with you. He's been absolute
[58:07.320 -> 58:14.300] Terrible, but today's race. I saw some things. I saw him coming back to where I expected him to be
[58:14.300 -> 58:20.520] Okay, how about that? Not that he was good, but where I expect him to be relative to Alonzo so on on
[58:21.040 -> 58:25.200] On when it whenever it was he kicked off at the the trainer, what day was that? Was that Friday?
[58:25.200 -> 58:26.200] Friday.
[58:26.200 -> 58:28.440] So what I admit, terrible day for him.
[58:28.440 -> 58:33.520] Yeah, and I tweeted this, look, because when's he, the last time he got out of Q1? Isn't
[58:33.520 -> 58:35.640] it something like five Q1 exits in a row?
[58:35.640 -> 58:36.640] Five races ago.
[58:36.640 -> 58:44.000] Yeah, okay. So I tweeted because I knew this was going to happen. He has bad session, bad
[58:44.000 -> 58:45.600] race, crashes, bad session, can't
[58:45.600 -> 58:50.840] get out of Q1, looks awful in front of, you know, behind Alonso, looks completely lost
[58:50.840 -> 58:55.080] and nowhere, and it happens session after session after session. And then he has one
[58:55.080 -> 59:06.960] race that's fine, and people turn around and go, see, what say you now? He's broadly fine recently, very recently. But look, the overall picture
[59:07.520 -> 59:13.360] is horrifying and you know, Project Stroll is done because they tried to manage his career,
[59:13.360 -> 59:19.520] they did quite well against Vettel, they've hugely underestimated Alonso or overestimated
[59:19.520 -> 59:25.200] how well he would do and it's done. They can't put him in the car up against Alonso next season
[59:25.200 -> 59:29.600] because that would be bad for his mental health. He's clearly losing it. It is not fair on
[59:29.600 -> 59:35.460] Lance Stroll. They can't do that. They could try and disrupt Alonso to quickly get him
[59:35.460 -> 59:41.600] to fall out with his team, which has happened one or ten times before, so that's a viable
[59:41.600 -> 59:45.680] option. But then if you get someone's stroll level in so he doesn't look bad
[59:45.680 -> 59:51.520] you have turned what is a q3 car into a q1 car and and i hope you're right chris i hope you're
[59:51.520 -> 59:59.280] right that they're bailing because this is horrible for everyone it's done yeah i do wonder so well
[59:59.280 -> 01:00:03.680] first of all even when he crashes it's only because he's so committed to the corner oh yeah
[01:00:03.680 -> 01:00:07.360] of course that was singapore wasn't it it? That shows how good he is.
[01:00:07.360 -> 01:00:13.920] And look, you get a professional like Mike Crack, who's well respected, and he has to wheel out
[01:00:13.920 -> 01:00:19.600] and say, oh, that crash shows how committed he is. That's not fair on anyone, Christian.
[01:00:19.600 -> 01:00:22.240] And this is, I think when you look around, it's not fair on him. It's not fair on the
[01:00:22.240 -> 01:00:26.000] people around him, the people representing him, all the people watching him.
[01:00:26.880 -> 01:00:34.480] But wouldn't you guys say that the Friday stroll was someone who was under pressure,
[01:00:35.040 -> 01:00:40.800] not just from not being fast in the car? You wouldn't act like that just not being
[01:00:40.800 -> 01:00:43.840] happy about how you drove that one day? There's more to this, I think.
[01:00:44.560 -> 01:00:45.600] Yeah, he knows. He's probably been this, I think. Yeah, he knows.
[01:00:45.600 -> 01:00:47.960] He's probably been given an ultimatum now.
[01:00:47.960 -> 01:00:49.720] I mean, and the fact that Mike Craigsthatt
[01:00:49.720 -> 01:00:52.840] has to defend him like that is the reason why Otmar left
[01:00:52.840 -> 01:00:53.920] as well.
[01:00:53.920 -> 01:00:57.360] The reason that I think they'll end up going to WEC as well.
[01:00:57.360 -> 01:00:58.920] I mean, first of all, it depends if Strauss
[01:00:58.920 -> 01:01:01.200] is just gonna pull him out of the Formula One team
[01:01:01.200 -> 01:01:02.960] or if he's gonna withdraw from the entire
[01:01:02.960 -> 01:01:04.920] Aston Martin brand altogether.
[01:01:04.920 -> 01:01:05.000] But the thing is, what they can do is they can still Formula One team or if he's going to withdraw from the entire Aston Martin brand altogether.
[01:01:05.000 -> 01:01:10.160] But the thing is, what they can do is they can still keep Lance in a top tier motorsport,
[01:01:10.160 -> 01:01:16.560] go for the world's biggest and most coveted motor race, which he can win.
[01:01:16.560 -> 01:01:17.560] Yeah, he can win.
[01:01:17.560 -> 01:01:18.560] He can win that.
[01:01:18.560 -> 01:01:22.980] With two other really good drivers alongside him and they save a bit of face.
[01:01:22.980 -> 01:01:24.760] So Pete Shilcock's trying to wind me up in the live chat.
[01:01:24.760 -> 01:01:29.440] I think you're being a bit cruel. Give the lad time. He's had a lot of time, he's had a lot
[01:01:29.440 -> 01:01:35.520] of time. He's still a rookie Spanners, you need to give him time. But how much time have Pérez had?
[01:01:36.720 -> 01:01:41.520] Oh thank you, thank you Keeper. You're not going to let him get away with that.
[01:01:41.520 -> 01:01:46.360] We're out of time and I actually, this has been one of the... I'm looking forward to
[01:01:46.360 -> 01:01:51.080] speaking about Perez because he's had one of his best races for a while. The bar is
[01:01:51.080 -> 01:01:53.760] low, but that's the facts.
[01:01:53.760 -> 01:01:55.000] He scored a point.
[01:01:55.000 -> 01:02:02.780] Yeah, so rounding off on Aston Martin, they're going to have to keep Alonso happy. So they've
[01:02:02.780 -> 01:02:08.720] obviously given him promises about next season. Aston Martin isn't going to fold overnight, whatever Lawrence Stroll does.
[01:02:08.720 -> 01:02:17.280] There'll still be an entity called Aston Martin in 2024. But people argued to the death that it was
[01:02:19.040 -> 01:02:25.920] a coincidence that Lance Stroll and Lawrence Stroll were involved in F1 together and that Lawrence
[01:02:25.920 -> 01:02:30.920] Stroll is so committed to F1 and it barely matters that his son was the one that he was
[01:02:30.920 -> 01:02:35.320] going to give a race seat to. People really, really argued when we said, no, he was only
[01:02:35.320 -> 01:02:40.200] involved in Aston Martin to give his son a race seat. People really argued against that.
[01:02:40.200 -> 01:02:45.200] So if Lance Stroll leaves and Lawrence Stroll isn't in F1 in two years time as well,
[01:02:45.760 -> 01:02:50.160] we can at least, you know, we can round off that five-year-old argument that wound me up.
[01:02:50.160 -> 01:02:55.680] And rumor has it that Aston Martin is for sale to someone from Saudi Arabia, right?
[01:02:55.680 -> 01:02:58.080] And if they take over the team, I mean...
[01:02:58.960 -> 01:03:04.640] Oh, that's the business business, not the Formula One team.
[01:03:04.640 -> 01:03:08.160] No, but you know, if Stroll sells the business business,
[01:03:08.160 -> 01:03:10.120] there will be boards and stuff like that.
[01:03:10.120 -> 01:03:12.160] I mean, it can go on.
[01:03:12.160 -> 01:03:13.680] What Chris said, I second that.
[01:03:13.680 -> 01:03:15.520] You really don't want to get into the business of DLs.
[01:03:15.520 -> 01:03:17.540] I've got a feeling it's time.
[01:03:17.540 -> 01:03:22.400] All right.
[01:03:22.400 -> 01:03:24.740] So I've been pretty honest about my disappointment
[01:03:24.740 -> 01:03:25.840] at Sergio Perez and how
[01:03:25.840 -> 01:03:33.400] my Sergio Perez fandom isn't going well and I've been upset with the way he's driven.
[01:03:33.400 -> 01:03:39.480] I haven't liked the fact that he's hit like six or seven people in the last two races.
[01:03:39.480 -> 01:03:45.820] And to be honest, as I said on another outlet, I said the thing I wanted for him in Qatar was for
[01:03:45.820 -> 01:03:50.140] something to happen where he couldn't drive because it was just becoming so woeful and
[01:03:50.140 -> 01:03:51.140] painful to watch.
[01:03:51.140 -> 01:03:52.580] And it came true!
[01:03:52.580 -> 01:03:53.580] He couldn't drive.
[01:03:53.580 -> 01:03:54.580] He couldn't drive.
[01:03:54.580 -> 01:03:56.420] Well, he was barely on the track, was he?
[01:03:56.420 -> 01:03:59.040] So he couldn't hit anyone because he was barely on the track.
[01:03:59.040 -> 01:04:01.260] He got three violations for pit lane warnings.
[01:04:01.260 -> 01:04:06.640] So he got three separate penalties for violating track limits, which does not suggest
[01:04:06.640 -> 01:04:08.480] someone who's comfortable driving around that track.
[01:04:08.480 -> 01:04:12.640] He finishes P10, and a fairly lucky P10.
[01:04:12.640 -> 01:04:14.680] I want to make you feel better.
[01:04:14.680 -> 01:04:18.000] There was actually a driver who got more violations,
[01:04:18.000 -> 01:04:19.800] track limit violations, than Perez.
[01:04:19.800 -> 01:04:20.800] All right.
[01:04:20.800 -> 01:04:21.720] That would be Gasly.
[01:04:21.720 -> 01:04:22.920] He got seven.
[01:04:22.920 -> 01:04:24.240] Perez only got six.
[01:04:24.240 -> 01:04:26.400] Gasly was a maniac. So at least that's something. Yeah, Gasly, he got 7, Chris only got 6, so at least that's something.
[01:04:26.400 -> 01:04:31.120] Yeah, Gasly was a maniac today, so what you're saying is he got slightly less track violations
[01:04:31.120 -> 01:04:34.000] than the maniac of the race this time.
[01:04:34.000 -> 01:04:36.320] But, he didn't hit anyone.
[01:04:36.320 -> 01:04:42.400] So that does represent his best drive for several races.
[01:04:42.400 -> 01:04:47.520] There's no redemption now, Christian, It's over. It's yet another thing
[01:04:47.520 -> 01:04:51.120] where I just, I really wish Red Bull would have just pulled the plug three or four races
[01:04:51.120 -> 01:04:54.320] ago and just said, look, you know, we're putting Ricciardo in, hand aside.
[01:04:55.280 -> 01:05:01.200] I'm like you Spanners, actually. I like Sergio Perez. I think he's a really, really good racing
[01:05:01.200 -> 01:05:06.080] driver. I think he's really good on tires. I think he's intelligent.
[01:05:06.080 -> 01:05:08.000] He has some craft.
[01:05:08.000 -> 01:05:12.600] But sometimes you just get into a situation where you just can't get out of.
[01:05:12.600 -> 01:05:16.560] And you've seen it before with Formula 1 teams, racing teams in general.
[01:05:16.560 -> 01:05:21.120] Sometimes there's just something just doesn't work and you can't get it back on track.
[01:05:21.120 -> 01:05:24.120] I'm fairly sure that's what we're seeing right now.
[01:05:24.120 -> 01:05:25.880] So I have a suggestion.
[01:05:25.880 -> 01:05:29.080] If I was Red Bull, I mean, they can't win more this year.
[01:05:29.080 -> 01:05:30.080] They've won it all.
[01:05:30.080 -> 01:05:32.920] So they could just not show up if they won.
[01:05:32.920 -> 01:05:38.800] How about putting Yuki in his car for one race, then the next race Ricciardo, and then
[01:05:38.800 -> 01:05:41.260] the next race, maybe Lawson.
[01:05:41.260 -> 01:05:45.360] Put Paris in the Alphatari, let him race there until the season is finished,
[01:05:45.360 -> 01:05:50.640] because he's not going to make them more points or anything. And they can test out their drivers,
[01:05:50.640 -> 01:05:55.680] they can see what's going on. Maybe he's back in the car next year, but that is what I would do.
[01:05:55.680 -> 01:06:01.200] No, help him with contract negotiations, because there's a Williams seat, isn't there? I think
[01:06:01.200 -> 01:06:10.240] that's the redemption tour now for Perez, is to go and get that Williams seat and just start again and show that go and beat Albon at Williams, bring some cash
[01:06:10.240 -> 01:06:15.260] with you. That's the thing now, don't go to Alpha Tauri, but yeah I think pull the plug
[01:06:15.260 -> 01:06:20.640] on the horror show that is, and this is with all the best will in the world, pull the plug
[01:06:20.640 -> 01:06:23.200] on this horror show, it's just awful.
[01:06:23.200 -> 01:06:25.680] It's not going to happen. Why?
[01:06:29.360 -> 01:06:29.600] Because Perez is still second in the Drivers' Championship. Chris?
[01:06:29.600 -> 01:06:35.520] Okay, okay. So Matt, I hear you. I hear you on this, right? Why change anything when they've
[01:06:35.520 -> 01:06:41.520] got 1-2 in the championship and the constructors is sorted? But for me, they need to anticipate
[01:06:41.520 -> 01:06:47.400] the fact that next year, Ferrari, Mercedes, McLaren could
[01:06:47.400 -> 01:06:52.240] suddenly all be on the same footing as them. Doesn't matter how unlikely that may sound
[01:06:52.240 -> 01:06:56.960] at the moment, they need to prepare for that possibility. And at the moment, Perez will
[01:06:56.960 -> 01:07:01.960] not get them the Constructors' Championship if those other three teams are suddenly on
[01:07:01.960 -> 01:07:11.600] the same footing as them. And that's why I am so goddamn mad that they put Ricciardo back in the Alpha Tauri, because
[01:07:11.600 -> 01:07:17.860] at the bare minimum, for me, it should be Ricciardo in the Red Bull, put Lawson in the
[01:07:17.860 -> 01:07:21.120] Alpha Tauri alongside Yuki for next year.
[01:07:21.120 -> 01:07:22.240] That's a solid combination.
[01:07:22.240 -> 01:07:27.880] I know the fact that they're all contracted to rebel anyway. So the fact that Ricardo has been announced to Alpha Tauri doesn't actually
[01:07:27.880 -> 01:07:33.360] mean anything for now because he could still well end up in the Red Bull next year. Perez
[01:07:33.360 -> 01:07:37.320] does have a contract for next year, but I really, really think they need to make a change
[01:07:37.320 -> 01:07:38.320] there.
[01:07:38.320 -> 01:07:44.160] Well, that's, that's no, that doesn't feel very positive. So sorry. It's not just, it's
[01:07:44.160 -> 01:07:46.480] just the fact. Sorry. you want to be more positive
[01:07:46.480 -> 01:07:50.960] about Stroll as well? I thought this was the make Spanners feel better about Perez segment.
[01:07:50.960 -> 01:07:56.120] No, all four drivers today did terribly and you should feel bad about that. And Colchis
[01:07:56.120 -> 01:08:02.800] United. Spanners, you were like 5-11. And two thirds. That's almost six. And Colchis
[01:08:02.800 -> 01:08:08.000] United lost 3-0 at home to Morecambe. So it's not been a good sporting weekend all around for me.
[01:08:08.000 -> 01:08:09.000] Yeah, but that's what happens.
[01:08:09.000 -> 01:08:12.000] That sport, you don't always get to have your favourite driver win.
[01:08:12.000 -> 01:08:14.000] A quick one on Gasly.
[01:08:14.000 -> 01:08:16.000] He was a bit of a menace on track, Chris.
[01:08:16.000 -> 01:08:19.000] What was going on? What juice had he been sipping?
[01:08:19.000 -> 01:08:22.000] I've no idea, but he's shoving people off track,
[01:08:22.000 -> 01:08:28.080] he's shoving himself off track to try and get moves done that he knows he's not going to be able to keep.
[01:08:28.080 -> 01:08:34.880] He was just being so wild out there and ended up losing out on points because he was another
[01:08:34.880 -> 01:08:40.040] driver to accrue track limits penalties along with Albon as well.
[01:08:40.040 -> 01:08:44.760] Funny how all the drivers who took track limits penalties ended up falling outside the points.
[01:08:44.760 -> 01:08:45.040] Yeah, oh, I've just seen, by the way, just on the Twitter feed, I was just distracted how all the drivers who took track when it's penalties ended up falling outside the points.
[01:08:48.320 -> 01:08:53.680] Yeah, oh I've just seen by the way, just on the Twitter feed, I've just distracted by seeing the on-board camera of Stroll getting out of his car. That's worth
[01:08:54.320 -> 01:08:59.120] showing because you know you can you can say wrongly but you can say a lot of the drivers
[01:08:59.120 -> 01:09:03.440] say in the green room they knew they were on camera you know Nigel Mansell getting out of
[01:09:03.440 -> 01:09:09.760] his Lotus was it and pushing it across the line and then dramatically falling on the floor. This feels like much more of
[01:09:09.760 -> 01:09:14.880] a candid shot where it was, you know, on the onboard, it wasn't on the broadcast, there was
[01:09:14.880 -> 01:09:19.440] no cameras pointed at him, and you can see him, he tries to get out of the car, realises he's in
[01:09:19.440 -> 01:09:25.200] trouble, rests fully on the front wheel, and then just like looks around, sees an ambulance ahead of him
[01:09:25.200 -> 01:09:30.800] and just like staggers, goes, oh ambulance, that's what I need, and just fully whacks into the ambulance
[01:09:30.800 -> 01:09:37.280] and starts sort of knocking on the door. So yeah, the conditions out there were absolutely brutal.
[01:09:37.280 -> 01:09:42.800] It is amazing. It's like when you are, it's 3am, you're absolutely drunk off your mind,
[01:09:42.800 -> 01:09:48.560] you see the taxi that's going to be able to take you home and he just wanders over to it like that,
[01:09:48.560 -> 01:09:50.800] like a homing beacon, right?
[01:09:50.800 -> 01:09:53.920] And the conditions so extreme.
[01:09:53.920 -> 01:09:58.160] And the fact that we were seeing the constant push laps,
[01:09:58.160 -> 01:10:01.040] you know, no management, that's why I think
[01:10:01.040 -> 01:10:04.560] that it was a contributing factor to it,
[01:10:04.560 -> 01:10:05.840] not just the conditions, not just the
[01:10:05.840 -> 01:10:11.600] heat, the fact that it is one of the fastest circuits out there, probably the most physically
[01:10:11.600 -> 01:10:18.800] demanding race they'll have done all season, even before this constant pushing 18 lap maximum
[01:10:18.800 -> 01:10:20.720] distinct length.
[01:10:20.720 -> 01:10:26.880] Luckily, next year's race is in December December should be significantly cooler then.
[01:10:26.880 -> 01:10:30.320] But yeah, drivers really were being pushed.
[01:10:30.320 -> 01:10:31.760] And there was, yeah, there was good racing.
[01:10:31.760 -> 01:10:36.860] So I think mentioning dispatches, I thought Synoda and Albon both like trading blows with
[01:10:36.860 -> 01:10:42.320] each other, racing people really well, lots of action up and down the track.
[01:10:42.320 -> 01:10:45.920] And I think like, yeah, if we could get somewhere in the middle of this,
[01:10:45.920 -> 01:10:51.520] somewhere between flat out making them all pass out and go to the ambulance, somewhere in between
[01:10:51.520 -> 01:10:57.160] that and having to drive eight seconds a lap slower to make sure you only do a one-stop,
[01:10:57.160 -> 01:11:02.640] that in the middle, magic lies. And there was something in it as well because Alfa Romeo
[01:11:02.640 -> 01:11:08.640] scored double points which is very uncharacteristic of them, but it's basically because they had all
[01:11:08.640 -> 01:11:10.960] the tyres in the world because they were out in Q1.
[01:11:11.600 -> 01:11:14.160] All right, let's move on to the podium.
[01:11:22.240 -> 01:11:29.320] A hot and sweaty evening in Qatar and a late night here in the UK. So I will get to the
[01:11:29.320 -> 01:11:35.600] podium slightly quicker than usual. I know because in previous shows, in recent shows,
[01:11:35.600 -> 01:11:40.240] we have pushed it very close to the one hour time limit that we set here on Missed Apex
[01:11:40.240 -> 01:11:51.440] Podcast. So today, let's make it nice and comfortable by going to our awards. So we do a good thing and bad thing award. We get to praise and we get to punish teams,
[01:11:51.440 -> 01:11:57.320] drivers, or entities from the comfort of our sheds and our sofas. So let's start with a
[01:11:57.320 -> 01:12:11.480] positive thing. Here's the thing of the weekend. Christian Pedersen, occasionally on social media but usually running away from it, preferring
[01:12:11.480 -> 01:12:16.840] instead the vagaries and blandness of real life. So we can't recommend that you follow
[01:12:16.840 -> 01:12:21.880] Christian anywhere on social media, but you can give us your award. So who gets your thing
[01:12:21.880 -> 01:12:29.040] of the weekend? It has to be Piastri. I think that's a really good showing.
[01:12:29.840 -> 01:12:30.560] Yeah, I think there's very...
[01:12:30.560 -> 01:12:38.320] I don't have any more to say about it because we already talked about him, but I just find him very interesting and with a very bright future.
[01:12:38.320 -> 01:12:43.520] You can make all the caveats you want about tyre wear and safety car luck or...
[01:12:46.680 -> 01:12:51.320] about tyre wear and safety car luck or yeah, the safety car might have helped him a little bit when it came to that sprint race victory. And obviously some of his competitors on the
[01:12:51.320 -> 01:12:56.360] alternate tyre strategy completely ruled themselves out. So Russell and the Ferrari said absolutely
[01:12:56.360 -> 01:13:01.040] no chance once those softs disintegrated. But what he is doing at the moment is giving
[01:13:01.040 -> 01:13:05.040] us a drumbeat of results. He keeps habitually
[01:13:05.040 -> 01:13:10.440] putting it, regardless of where Norris is, Piastri is on the podium a bunch. He's on
[01:13:10.440 -> 01:13:15.600] the front row a couple of times. He's in that top five in qualifying. He is making
[01:13:15.600 -> 01:13:20.760] it hard to ignore him. Chris Stevens. Sorry if I can just add the clip with
[01:13:20.760 -> 01:13:26.240] Piastri from, was it in Austria, where they flew?
[01:13:26.240 -> 01:13:30.640] There were some guys flying around the circuit on something that could hold them in the air.
[01:13:30.640 -> 01:13:34.480] And there's like a sequence of Piastri just sitting alone in the garage,
[01:13:34.480 -> 01:13:37.120] looking at the screen while one is just falling from the sky.
[01:13:37.680 -> 01:13:42.880] And the face expression on Piastri there, that is probably my favorite TV moment.
[01:13:42.880 -> 01:13:43.840] What was the expression?
[01:13:44.720 -> 01:13:47.600] It's so difficult to explain, you have to watch it.
[01:13:47.600 -> 01:13:49.120] So I will find the link.
[01:13:49.120 -> 01:13:49.920] I know the one you're talking about.
[01:13:49.920 -> 01:13:51.680] Perfect for an audio show.
[01:13:51.680 -> 01:13:52.180] Google it.
[01:13:53.200 -> 01:13:53.840] I will try.
[01:13:53.840 -> 01:13:54.720] I can try and do it.
[01:13:55.280 -> 01:13:56.480] You want me to try and do it?
[01:13:56.480 -> 01:13:56.800] No.
[01:13:56.800 -> 01:13:58.080] This is also good for podcast.
[01:13:58.080 -> 01:14:00.480] No, no, I'm telling the listeners to Google it.
[01:14:00.480 -> 01:14:03.520] I'm going to move on to Chris Stevens now.
[01:14:03.520 -> 01:14:04.240] Are you sure?
[01:14:04.240 -> 01:14:06.880] But Christian, thanks. You've been a delight.
[01:14:06.880 -> 01:14:08.160] No problem, Spanners.
[01:14:08.160 -> 01:14:13.920] You're the opposite, Chris Stevens. You are an attention acceptor, so we can go and follow
[01:14:13.920 -> 01:14:18.640] you at Chris on Racing, and we'll have all the links to your social media in the show notes
[01:14:18.640 -> 01:14:24.080] below. But for now, who do you think, or what do you think, or when do you think was your thing of
[01:14:24.080 -> 01:14:24.640] the weekend?
[01:14:24.720 -> 01:14:26.080] Who do you think, or what do you think, or when do you think was your thing of the weekend?
[01:14:33.280 -> 01:14:34.880] So, kind of similar to Christian, but specifically for me, Piastri's sprint win, I think it's a real
[01:14:40.960 -> 01:14:42.080] statement of intent for Piastri, the fact that he's come in, he's won something before Norris,
[01:14:46.000 -> 01:14:50.800] that is the biggest statement that has been made there and if there were any doubts about this kid being a future world champion then they are completely silenced now I think.
[01:14:50.800 -> 01:14:54.720] Oh I think that's, I think that's a bit previous Chris, I think you've got carried away.
[01:14:55.280 -> 01:14:57.120] No, I'm calling it now.
[01:14:57.120 -> 01:15:03.520] All right well there we go, all right Matt 2 Rumpets, you are on social media at MattPT55.
[01:15:03.520 -> 01:15:07.700] I'm angry at anyone listening to this who doesn't follow you on social media, at MattPT55. I'm angry at anyone listening to this who doesn't follow you on social media.
[01:15:07.700 -> 01:15:18.600] So I'm going to put the links in there, I'm going to make it super easy. On your device or YouTube, you just go to where the notes are, scroll right or left or whatever, and you just click on the social media platform you're on.
[01:15:18.600 -> 01:15:28.160] And you follow Matt now. I'm not messing around anymore. I appreciate that and certainly if you're interested in things like the resonance of tires and
[01:15:28.880 -> 01:15:33.400] Science and all that good stuff. You will probably find some nice things that I
[01:15:33.920 -> 01:15:37.960] Repost or retweet or whatever they call it these whatever the kids call it these days. I don't know
[01:15:37.960 -> 01:15:42.120] You know what the kids call things these days spanners. I have no idea. No, I'm what's a me me
[01:15:42.120 -> 01:15:46.720] No, don't I'm so lost the Kevin James meme came out and we had to get
[01:15:46.720 -> 01:15:51.760] Christina Lemace to explain it to us and then after explaining it to us and we finally got it,
[01:15:51.760 -> 01:15:56.400] she said, yeah, but it's a week old, don't use it. Can't keep up. All right, Matt, what's your
[01:15:56.400 -> 01:16:01.680] thing of the weekend? You know, this is really challenging. I mean, my thing of the weekend
[01:16:01.680 -> 01:16:10.080] should simply be, oh, Max won the driver's championship. That was boring. It was, it was weirdly not the event that I wanted it to be,
[01:16:10.080 -> 01:16:14.640] maybe because it was during the sprint race, which is a whole separate conversation. But
[01:16:14.640 -> 01:16:20.720] you know what my thing is, I'm going to go back to what I said today. The thing is seeing a race
[01:16:20.720 -> 01:16:26.080] like this, because I don't think we're ever going to see this again under these regulations
[01:16:26.080 -> 01:16:31.440] or under the next regulations. I think today was an amazing and a special and a one-off thing,
[01:16:32.080 -> 01:16:39.200] and everybody who got to view it should be thankful they got to see such a spectacle put on
[01:16:39.200 -> 01:16:47.520] for them. A driving spectacle. Yeah, yeah. And so in a way all the weirdnesses that led up to this weekend gave us this one
[01:16:47.520 -> 01:16:53.200] special moment to see, well what would happen if we gave F1 cars tyres and they could just drive as
[01:16:53.200 -> 01:16:54.800] fast as they wanted the whole race?
[01:16:54.800 -> 01:16:57.840] We got like, we got a what if. We got an actual like...
[01:16:57.840 -> 01:16:58.480] We really did.
[01:16:58.480 -> 01:17:03.440] This was an alternate universe, alternate F1 universe. That's what just happened.
[01:17:03.440 -> 01:17:03.840] Okay, cool.
[01:17:03.840 -> 01:17:05.960] It was like the wormhole. we just went right through it.
[01:17:05.960 -> 01:17:09.360] My turn, my turn, go and follow me at SpannersReady
[01:17:09.360 -> 01:17:11.360] and follow me on Instagram, I'm getting better
[01:17:11.360 -> 01:17:12.920] at posting things on there.
[01:17:12.920 -> 01:17:15.620] I had a photograph of me being interviewed at an event
[01:17:15.620 -> 01:17:18.600] and I was smiling and stuff and I thought it was quite,
[01:17:18.600 -> 01:17:19.900] it was quite a nice photo.
[01:17:19.900 -> 01:17:23.500] So if you'd like to see quite a nice photo of me,
[01:17:23.500 -> 01:17:25.720] then follow me on the Instagram, Spanners
[01:17:25.720 -> 01:17:30.800] Ready and on Twitter, that's where I do my main arguing, and on Facebook as well.
[01:17:30.800 -> 01:17:34.920] But I mainly use that for buying cabinets or second-hand game systems.
[01:17:34.920 -> 01:17:36.400] Oh, my thing of the weekend!
[01:17:36.400 -> 01:17:39.560] Yeah, we're all waiting on that.
[01:17:39.560 -> 01:17:43.640] I was just thinking that I need a new office cabinet, and that got me completely distracted
[01:17:43.640 -> 01:17:44.640] by that thought.
[01:17:44.640 -> 01:17:48.460] So, if anyone has an office cabinet to sell me, if you could let me know.
[01:17:48.460 -> 01:17:51.040] Not too high, but maybe two drawers.
[01:17:51.040 -> 01:17:55.080] Okay, so my thing of the weekend is going to be the FIA.
[01:17:55.080 -> 01:17:59.040] I don't praise the FIA very often, but there was a problem.
[01:17:59.040 -> 01:18:01.300] It could be a problem of their own doing, I'm not sure.
[01:18:01.300 -> 01:18:03.520] You could argue about the track prep.
[01:18:03.520 -> 01:18:05.840] Christian's giving me the evil eye,
[01:18:05.840 -> 01:18:10.880] but look, you can play the blame game, you can play whose fault is this, but there was a problem
[01:18:10.880 -> 01:18:15.200] and they had to come up with a solution, otherwise there was no race car race, and I wanted there to
[01:18:15.200 -> 01:18:19.520] be a race car race, and they came up with a solution, and they came up with it in plenty of
[01:18:19.520 -> 01:18:25.360] time, and they not only said, here's our solution, but here's our solution if the tyres last
[01:18:25.360 -> 01:18:28.840] in the sprint race, here's the solution if they don't last in the sprint race.
[01:18:28.840 -> 01:18:34.440] And then they were unable to make that assessment and then made a proper plan, did all the sheets,
[01:18:34.440 -> 01:18:37.320] let everyone know the tyre allocations.
[01:18:37.320 -> 01:18:43.840] The TV broadcast was on point saying, ah, okay, this driver must lap on lap 25, so you
[01:18:43.840 -> 01:18:45.000] could follow it.
[01:18:45.000 -> 01:18:48.500] Without all that information, today would have been random chaos, and it would have
[01:18:48.500 -> 01:18:52.320] been on par with rubbish refueling, where you never knew what was getting on.
[01:18:52.320 -> 01:18:55.320] So, FIA problem solving, my thing of the weekend.
[01:18:55.320 -> 01:19:01.140] Whoever came up with that solution should be on telly so we can all clap.
[01:19:01.140 -> 01:19:06.780] And can I just add, they also did a pretty good job getting us the track limits violations
[01:19:06.780 -> 01:19:11.660] very rapidly, so we weren't sitting around for 45 minutes wondering who actually finished
[01:19:11.660 -> 01:19:12.660] where in the race.
[01:19:12.660 -> 01:19:13.660] Oh my goodness.
[01:19:13.660 -> 01:19:15.260] Mike, use tech.
[01:19:15.260 -> 01:19:21.020] Use tech to detect where someone—you can already, to a high accuracy, detect when a
[01:19:21.020 -> 01:19:22.900] car crosses the start-finish line.
[01:19:22.900 -> 01:19:26.440] It's broadly the same as that. And it's not zero money,
[01:19:26.440 -> 01:19:28.000] but it's also not, you know,
[01:19:28.000 -> 01:19:31.280] it's not, it's not rockstar wages either to get that done.
[01:19:31.280 -> 01:19:32.860] You don't have to do it around the whole track,
[01:19:32.860 -> 01:19:34.620] just key problem areas.
[01:19:34.620 -> 01:19:37.160] And, and even if you didn't use that technology,
[01:19:37.160 -> 01:19:41.000] there's a thousand examples in this world, it's 2023.
[01:19:41.000 -> 01:19:44.880] There is a thousand examples of a system
[01:19:44.880 -> 01:19:47.220] that detects where one thing is relative to
[01:19:47.220 -> 01:19:52.920] another thing. Okay. You get a bunch of engineers in a room for a day, give them some cucumber
[01:19:52.920 -> 01:19:57.020] sandwiches and they'll spit out a solution. This isn't hard. The tracks limit stuff is
[01:19:57.020 -> 01:20:01.360] boring now. So just come up with something, Christian. Let's come up with something where
[01:20:01.360 -> 01:20:05.240] a little light goes off and says, beep, you did it bad.
[01:20:05.240 -> 01:20:08.600] But actually, it's my, we're going to get to the positive thing, right?
[01:20:08.600 -> 01:20:09.600] No, the negative.
[01:20:09.600 -> 01:20:10.600] Yeah, we can do that.
[01:20:10.600 -> 01:20:11.600] You want to do that now?
[01:20:11.600 -> 01:20:12.600] I'll do that now.
[01:20:12.600 -> 01:20:13.600] Yeah, yeah.
[01:20:13.600 -> 01:20:14.600] Let's do it now.
[01:20:14.600 -> 01:20:15.600] Here we go.
[01:20:15.600 -> 01:20:16.600] Okay.
[01:20:16.600 -> 01:20:17.600] Okay.
[01:20:17.600 -> 01:20:18.600] No, no, no.
[01:20:18.600 -> 01:20:19.600] There's a whole bumper.
[01:20:19.600 -> 01:20:20.600] Oh no, you missed the apex.
[01:20:20.600 -> 01:20:21.600] And an eight year old, my son does not sound like that anymore.
[01:20:21.600 -> 01:20:22.600] I was like, can you record-
[01:20:22.600 -> 01:20:23.600] Wait, that's your son?
[01:20:23.600 -> 01:20:24.600] Yeah, that's us.
[01:20:24.600 -> 01:20:25.040] I thought it was me that did it. No, no. I said, can you record a new, that's your son? Yeah, that's us. I said...
[01:20:25.040 -> 01:20:26.480] I thought it was me that did it.
[01:20:26.480 -> 01:20:29.520] No, no. I said, can you record a new one? He's like, no, I don't want to.
[01:20:29.520 -> 01:20:31.120] Don't want to do it. Because it would just now be...
[01:20:31.120 -> 01:20:31.840] Oh no.
[01:20:31.840 -> 01:20:32.880] Sitting in that voice.
[01:20:32.880 -> 01:20:35.680] No, because he'd get bored halfway through and go to his room.
[01:20:35.680 -> 01:20:38.240] Oh no, I'm going to my room, shut up.
[01:20:38.240 -> 01:20:39.680] All right. So it would be that.
[01:20:39.680 -> 01:20:42.560] Christian then, negative thing. What missed the apex for you?
[01:20:43.280 -> 01:20:49.680] Negative is such a bad word, but I don't like when you have a sport like Formula 1, which
[01:20:49.680 -> 01:20:53.840] is, it's solely based on having an audience.
[01:20:53.840 -> 01:20:59.200] So when you have a really, like, this is a major thing where every second car in every
[01:20:59.200 -> 01:21:09.440] second corner is given a penalty for something, you have to be able to demonstrate it. So we know which tracks more or less this will happen at.
[01:21:09.960 -> 01:21:15.400] You need to put like a camera in each section that is just pointed there.
[01:21:15.400 -> 01:21:17.000] It doesn't have to be a man camera.
[01:21:17.000 -> 01:21:20.680] It has to be GoPro-ish style that can document it.
[01:21:21.080 -> 01:21:25.240] Besides that, you have to put on the cars like a lamp or something that
[01:21:25.240 -> 01:21:29.560] is activated as soon as it happens. I know that is a bit more tricky, but still
[01:21:29.560 -> 01:21:36.840] like a circus or something. Fireworks. Oh no, Alonso is ringing. You just need, you
[01:21:36.840 -> 01:21:40.640] need to tell the story. You need to narrate the story. You need to be, let it
[01:21:40.640 -> 01:21:49.600] be part of your message basically. And I know they are working overdrive at the F1 TV camp
[01:21:49.600 -> 01:21:52.200] because there's a new thing every weekend.
[01:21:52.200 -> 01:21:54.500] But this is one thing that will return,
[01:21:54.500 -> 01:21:56.000] and it's part of the story,
[01:21:56.000 -> 01:21:57.700] so they need to do something about it, I think.
[01:21:57.700 -> 01:22:01.900] My Miss the Apex award then goes to the FIA
[01:22:01.900 -> 01:22:07.840] for imposing this limit in the first place. So, okay, I think
[01:22:07.840 -> 01:22:12.440] this is controversial because I do like safety. So I do like that they actually erred on the
[01:22:12.440 -> 01:22:17.560] side of safety because what you don't want is, yeah, tyres exploding routinely and it
[01:22:17.560 -> 01:22:23.600] could cause an accident. On the other hand, there is an obscene amount of runoff at the
[01:22:23.600 -> 01:22:26.720] Qatar Grand Prix racetrack. So if a tyre blows,
[01:22:26.720 -> 01:22:32.800] it's not going to flip the car. The chances are it's going to find some runoff. The vast
[01:22:32.800 -> 01:22:37.840] majority of that is that they would, the vast majority of cases would find a runoff.
[01:22:37.840 -> 01:22:44.160] But why is it that at Monaco, they say, well, here's the walls. If you hit that wall,
[01:22:46.800 -> 01:22:47.800] They say, well here's the walls, if you hit that wall, bad things will happen, try not to hit the wall.
[01:22:47.800 -> 01:22:53.360] But here with a curb, they couldn't just say, we found that that curb is causing damage
[01:22:53.360 -> 01:22:58.460] to the tyres, you now have that information, good luck.
[01:22:58.460 -> 01:23:00.460] Because they would have just kept going.
[01:23:00.460 -> 01:23:01.460] Driven on the curb.
[01:23:01.460 -> 01:23:04.460] They would have kept going, we would have had tyre blasts.
[01:23:04.460 -> 01:23:05.840] Till the tyres went boom. All over the place. It would have been going, we would have had tire blasts all over the
[01:23:05.840 -> 01:23:08.160] place. It would have been, yeah, Silverstone 2013.
[01:23:08.160 -> 01:23:10.800] Yeah. And everyone would go, oh, Pirelli.
[01:23:10.800 -> 01:23:11.600] Yeah, yes.
[01:23:11.600 -> 01:23:17.440] I think we've proved multiple times when it comes to these sorts of things, the teams
[01:23:17.440 -> 01:23:20.640] are like toddlers allowed to decide what they want for dinner.
[01:23:20.640 -> 01:23:28.400] We were literally talking about this with the whole safety thing, right? Like why you need a minimum weight or why you need safety regulations, because otherwise
[01:23:28.400 -> 01:23:34.000] Formula One designers would make unsafe cars because they don't want the compromises. And
[01:23:34.000 -> 01:23:38.880] they'll do the same with the tyres. I know, but it just, okay. So, okay, well, then that's
[01:23:38.880 -> 01:23:44.240] what we're doing. We're managing F1 teams as if they are just teenagers who will go
[01:23:44.240 -> 01:23:46.480] into the snack cupboard an unlimited
[01:23:46.480 -> 01:23:50.320] amount of times, despite that meaning that then ruins their dinner.
[01:23:50.320 -> 01:23:54.640] They're constantly sneaking into your whiskey cabinet, they know where you hid the key.
[01:23:54.640 -> 01:23:58.520] Yeah, that's not, we're not quite at that point yet, but the snack cupboard thing, that's
[01:23:58.520 -> 01:24:01.200] a real thing. I've drawn from my real life experience.
[01:24:01.200 -> 01:24:04.000] Give it a year, Svanes, give it a year.
[01:24:04.000 -> 01:24:05.880] Okay, Chris then, who missed
[01:24:05.880 -> 01:24:10.840] the apex for you? You're missing the apex if you're not following me on social media.
[01:24:10.840 -> 01:24:16.800] We did that one, we did that. Matt, your turn. My amazing commentary journey, but in terms
[01:24:16.800 -> 01:24:25.680] of this weekend, then I would say curbs in general. Just, well, we're on the same topic really, curbs in general.
[01:24:25.680 -> 01:24:32.800] So you're saying the Qatar racetrack for putting very sort of knife-shaped serrated curbs,
[01:24:33.520 -> 01:24:38.720] I mean, they looked very aggressive. So actually, we should say that people in our private chat
[01:24:38.720 -> 01:24:44.160] didn't believe the official story coming out of the FIA and think that they just made bad curbs,
[01:24:44.160 -> 01:24:50.840] and all of this was a face-saving exercise to hide the fact that their kerbs were just damaging the tyres.
[01:24:50.840 -> 01:24:53.100] They did look very aggressive, Chris, those kerbs.
[01:24:53.100 -> 01:24:57.760] They were incredibly aggressive. I don't know specifically which other circuits these kerbs
[01:24:57.760 -> 01:25:02.080] are used at, but obviously they are approved by the FIA because otherwise they wouldn't
[01:25:02.080 -> 01:25:06.960] be on a Grand Prix circuit. But there's just been a whole mess
[01:25:06.960 -> 01:25:13.600] there, the whole system that has led to this situation. Can I just say as well with track
[01:25:13.600 -> 01:25:19.280] limits here, our race controller Richard Moulden made a suggestion which I do not condone. I
[01:25:19.280 -> 01:25:27.040] actually want to condemn his suggestion of taping hamsters one car width away from the track edge.
[01:25:27.840 -> 01:25:28.960] That's a cool idea.
[01:25:28.960 -> 01:25:35.920] Look, you say that, right? So on the topic of kerbs, why are the kerbs wider than the cars?
[01:25:35.920 -> 01:25:36.480] Yeah.
[01:25:36.480 -> 01:25:42.160] Because if you make it narrower than the cars, it's a much easier visual reference for the
[01:25:42.160 -> 01:25:47.680] drivers to know when they're going outside the track limits, because I bet they're still saying, oh well I can't see where the track limits
[01:25:47.680 -> 01:25:53.760] are. Yeah and if you used hamsters obviously they're single use so logistically very very
[01:25:53.760 -> 01:25:56.960] difficult. How many times could you reuse the hamster? Oh no yeah single use it's like
[01:25:56.960 -> 01:26:08.280] plastic straws we've got to get rid of them. Matt who missed the apex for you. Well, you're going to laugh at this, but after seeing this today, and
[01:26:08.280 -> 01:26:14.920] after the continuing track limits drama, I'm going to say it's this entire regulation
[01:26:14.920 -> 01:26:22.940] set for foolishly adopting 18-inch wheels, when 15 or 16-inch would have done. Fundamentally,
[01:26:22.940 -> 01:26:26.240] that compromises what the driver is able to see
[01:26:26.240 -> 01:26:33.040] and their ability to know if they have indeed crossed the limits of the track. And if you
[01:26:33.040 -> 01:26:39.960] don't believe me, I will just point out, they made the grid spots wider because even magical
[01:26:39.960 -> 01:26:46.480] Alonzo couldn't know if he was just parked in between the lines or not at the start of
[01:26:46.480 -> 01:26:47.600] the race.
[01:26:47.600 -> 01:26:50.840] And I do believe they might be changing it for the next regulation set, but we're not
[01:26:50.840 -> 01:26:51.840] there yet.
[01:26:51.840 -> 01:26:52.840] Yes.
[01:26:52.840 -> 01:26:57.520] So they are going to reduce the wheel size supposedly for 2026 in a bid to save weight.
[01:26:57.520 -> 01:27:03.200] But actually, now that you've brought up the grid spot, and Spadaz, I hope this isn't what
[01:27:03.200 -> 01:27:05.600] you were about to say, but actually missing the apex,
[01:27:05.600 -> 01:27:11.440] Hulkenberg pulled into the wrong grid spot because Sainz was missing on the grid.
[01:27:12.800 -> 01:27:16.960] There's a big LED board with his name on it telling him where to park.
[01:27:16.960 -> 01:27:22.080] Yeah, that's a bit of a gaffe that one. But also like Sainz having that fuel line issue,
[01:27:22.080 -> 01:27:29.960] it's hard to believe that there's a fuel line issue that you then can't repair in time for the Grand Prix. And in fact, this is
[01:27:29.960 -> 01:27:33.840] where, like this was my old trade, was supportability engineering. You go, you
[01:27:33.840 -> 01:27:38.640] have to look around the system and go, well what faults could we get and is
[01:27:38.640 -> 01:27:42.480] everything repairable in a certain amount of time? So really everything on
[01:27:42.480 -> 01:27:46.100] that F1 car should be repairable within an hour,
[01:27:46.100 -> 01:27:47.200] or whatever it is.
[01:27:47.200 -> 01:27:48.620] So that's part of the design.
[01:27:48.620 -> 01:27:50.700] So if they fired it up and found a fuel leak
[01:27:50.700 -> 01:27:52.760] and they couldn't fix it and they suddenly go,
[01:27:52.760 -> 01:27:54.140] well, that's a five hour repair
[01:27:54.140 -> 01:27:55.580] so we've missed the Grand Prix,
[01:27:55.580 -> 01:27:59.220] your availability rating has gone from one to zero
[01:27:59.220 -> 01:28:02.420] all based on one failure point.
[01:28:02.420 -> 01:28:04.660] So that's a design problem.
[01:28:04.660 -> 01:28:06.160] I don't know anything about the fuel line
[01:28:06.160 -> 01:28:11.120] in F1 cars, but I would be fascinated to know why that wasn't repairable when they seem
[01:28:11.120 -> 01:28:15.400] to be talking about it like 90 minutes out from the grid. You would think everything
[01:28:15.400 -> 01:28:19.140] would be repairable quicker. I think we've all done our missed Apex awards. Please go
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[01:30:17.760 -> 01:30:20.360] Okay, so, right, let's dress this down.
[01:30:20.360 -> 01:30:22.200] What a, what a shambles.
[01:30:22.200 -> 01:30:23.440] Matt couldn't remember anything.
[01:30:23.440 -> 01:30:27.060] Oh, I don't know, I don't know what the next topic's gonna be.
[01:30:27.060 -> 01:30:30.320] Oh, it's a turnip pub. Everyone's in a turnip pub.
[01:30:30.320 -> 01:30:36.000] Oh, Chris Stevens wouldn't let me move on from any topic at all.
[01:30:36.000 -> 01:30:39.260] Wouldn't even let me finish the show with your...
[01:30:39.260 -> 01:30:42.560] What were you doing? Were you going for like a jazz, late night jazz vibe?
[01:30:42.560 -> 01:30:47.160] I've done it like every single time I've been on the show lately. I do that little hey
[01:30:47.160 -> 01:30:51.800] Is that your thing? Is that what you did? You see a tick tock? Is that what you're copying?
[01:30:51.800 -> 01:30:55.320] Have you not noted every single time I've been on the show for the last like six months?
[01:30:55.320 -> 01:30:59.360] I've done that and and all pales in comparison to
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