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Spanners and Trumpets are joined by  the voice of the London ePrix Chris Stevens and tech titan Matthew Somerfield, technical editor at Motorsport.Com for a special mailbag episode. From new team niceties to a rules rethinking, from F1 fenders to the tyranny of the top three, no CFD mesh goes uncalculated in this, the latest episode of Missed Apex Podcast.

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**Introduction**

* The podcast episode features Spanners, Trumpets, Chris Stevens, and Matthew Somerfield discussing various topics related to Formula One.

**Andretti Autosport's Potential Entry into Formula One**

* The hosts discuss the possibility of Andretti Autosport entering Formula One, noting the challenges and complexities involved. They mention the $200 million anti-dilution entry fee and the potential impact on the prize money distribution among the existing teams.

* Spanners highlights the Andretti family's credentials and experience in motorsports, but expresses concerns about the timing and potential pushback from the current teams.

* The hosts discuss the relationship between Formula One Management (FOM) and the FIA, noting the lack of alignment between the two entities. They also speculate about potential tensions between Toto Wolff and the FIA.

**Possible Rule Changes and Innovations**

* The hosts discuss potential rule changes and innovations that could improve Formula One racing.

* Chris Stevens suggests the introduction of pro-am lineups, where amateur racers could participate in stints during races.

* Summers proposes the return of a push-to-pass system similar to the old KERS, allowing drivers to deploy extra power strategically during wheel-to-wheel combat.

* The hosts discuss the pros and cons of eliminating DRS and implementing a push-to-pass system controlled by the drivers.

* Summers suggests implementing a rule from IndyCar, where drivers who cause others to lose a qualifying lap through their actions would have their best lap deleted.

**Spray Adjusters**

* The hosts discuss the proposed introduction of spray adjusters, also known as mud flaps, to reduce spray and improve visibility in wet conditions.

* Summers expresses skepticism about the effectiveness and practicality of spray adjusters, citing potential disadvantages and unintended consequences. He suggests that the spray issue may be rooted in the aerodynamic regulations and could be addressed through further study and modifications.

**Mid-Race Rain and Pit Stops**

* The hosts discuss the scenario of rain starting during a race and whether teams would need to pit to attach mud flaps. They mention that the proposed use of spray adjusters is intended for the start of the race rather than mid-race.

**Conclusion**

* The hosts wrap up the discussion, highlighting the importance of considering all aspects and potential consequences before implementing new rules or innovations in Formula One.

**Overall Message**

The overall message of the podcast episode is that Formula One is a complex sport with many stakeholders and factors to consider when making changes. The hosts emphasize the need for careful analysis, collaboration, and consideration of unintended consequences before implementing new rules or innovations. # Missed Apex Podcast Episode Transcript

**Hosts:** Spanners, Matt Trumpets, Chris Stevens, Matthew Somerfield

## Key Points

- The podcast begins with a discussion about the new team niceties and a rules rethinking in Formula One.
- The hosts then move on to talk about F1 fenders and the tyranny of the top three teams.
- They also discuss the possibility of a tire war in Formula One, and whether or not it would be a good thing for the sport.
- The hosts then answer a listener question about whether or not they think we will see a title fight that does not involve Max Verstappen, Lewis Hamilton, or Charles Leclerc.
- They also discuss the possibility of a mid-season break for Pirelli to bring in a new set of tires that works against what the teams have done in the start of the season.
- The hosts then answer a listener question about which of the top three drivers (Verstappen, Hamilton, Leclerc) would be most likely to play second fiddle if it came down to it.
- They also discuss the possibility of a historic track tire and a Tilka drone tire.
- The hosts then answer a listener question about when they think we will see a title fight that does not involve Verstappen, Hamilton, or Leclerc.
- They also discuss the possibility of Sergio Perez, Carlos Sainz, and George Russell being in contention for the championship this year.
- The hosts then answer a listener question about whether or not Lewis Hamilton would be willing to play a supporting role if it came down to it.
- They also discuss the possibility of Lando Norris being able to fight for a world championship in the future.
- The hosts then answer a listener question about whether or not they think we will see a title fight that does not involve Verstappen, Hamilton, or Leclerc.
- They also discuss the possibility of a second driver in a top three team winning a title.
- The hosts then answer a listener question about whether or not they think Max Verstappen would be willing to support Sergio Perez's title bid if it came down to it.
- They also discuss the possibility of a driver deliberately slowing down to help another driver win a race.
- The hosts then answer a listener question about whether or not they think we will see a title fight that does not involve Verstappen, Hamilton, or Leclerc.
- They also discuss the possibility of a driver deliberately slowing down to help another driver win a race.

## Overall Message

The overall message of the podcast is that the current state of Formula One is not sustainable, and that changes need to be made in order to make the sport more competitive and exciting. The hosts also discuss the possibility of a title fight that does not involve Max Verstappen, Lewis Hamilton, or Charles Leclerc, and they believe that it is possible, but unlikely. - The podcast hosts, Spanners, Matt Trumpets, Chris Stevens, and Matthew Somerfield, discuss various topics related to Formula One racing.


- They address listener questions and engage in lively conversations about the sport.


- Some of the topics discussed include:


- Team dynamics and the possibility of Sergio Perez supporting Max Verstappen in a title push.


- The influence of team management on driver performance and the perceived favoritism towards certain drivers.


- The potential impact of Daniel Ricciardo joining Red Bull as a reserve driver.


- The importance of listener and viewer interaction, and the plans for future podcast content, including race reviews, previews, and social media engagement.


- The hosts also promote their individual social media channels and upcoming events, including the Myst Apex iRacing F3 Cup and the British Rental Car Championship.


- The podcast ends with a lighthearted discussion about jazz music, with the hosts expressing their appreciation for the genre and sharing personal anecdotes.

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[02:44.280 -> 02:47.680] You are listening to Missed Apex Podcast.
[02:47.680 -> 02:51.480] We live F1.
[02:51.480 -> 03:04.360] Welcome to Missed Apex Podcast mailbag episode.
[03:04.360 -> 03:07.120] I'm your host Richard Ready, but my friends call me
[03:07.120 -> 03:16.960] Spanish, so let's be friends. It's 2023 now, so I am declaring that this is now the pre-season
[03:16.960 -> 03:26.600] instead of the off-season, at least in Mist Apex land. I believe I have that kind of authority and power, because last year really felt like
[03:26.600 -> 03:32.000] a long, long season. And I found myself at the end of the season being glad that the
[03:32.000 -> 03:37.060] race cars got parked for just a little while. It was that intense a season I was glad to
[03:37.060 -> 03:42.960] finally leave the shed and see my children's little faces for the first time since pre-season
[03:42.960 -> 03:45.760] testing. Because in the olden days, in the
[03:45.760 -> 03:51.400] before time, in the long, long ago that even Uncle Steve can remember, F1 seasons used
[03:51.400 -> 03:57.240] to just go by in a flash. They were gone and we would be begging for more. But nowadays
[03:57.240 -> 04:07.200] it's a tsunami of races in your face. Wave after wave of triple headers, double headers, extra sprint races all coming
[04:07.200 -> 04:13.440] at you and then finally the mercy of December comes around and you can wipe F1 off with the
[04:13.440 -> 04:19.280] warm sweet towel of the off-season. But that has passed now, that has gone. I've had my Christmas
[04:19.280 -> 04:28.440] dinner, I've popped my New Year's poppers, I even held out my bolsa for Aldeia de los Reyes Mogos.
[04:28.440 -> 04:35.160] I am cleansed, I am rested and now I want my F1 cars back so I am declaring it pre-season
[04:35.160 -> 04:36.160] here at Mist Apex.
[04:36.160 -> 04:40.320] So let's kick off by answering your mailbag questions after reminding you that we are
[04:40.320 -> 04:49.540] an independent podcast produced in the podcasting shed with the kind permission of our better halves. We aim to bring you a race review before your Monday morning commute.
[04:49.540 -> 04:56.340] We might be wrong, but we're first.
[04:56.340 -> 05:02.660] I'm joined from a wintry New York by Matt to Rumpets. How's it going, Matt?
[05:02.660 -> 05:06.000] I have a fascinating hour-20-minute-long
[05:06.000 -> 05:09.520] documentary on vehicle dynamics that I can recommend highly to you, Spence.
[05:09.520 -> 05:12.880] I don't want to watch that. Oh, come on!
[05:12.880 -> 05:16.960] No, I want something interesting with explosions and car chases.
[05:17.920 -> 05:20.960] Oh, okay. So kind of like Andretti in Formula One, then.
[05:20.960 -> 05:25.360] Yeah, I was going to say, we'll just watch the 2014 season back and just look out
[05:25.360 -> 05:30.960] for any Renault powered car that would be the one to do. We're also joined by PR guru Chris Stevens.
[05:30.960 -> 05:38.080] How's it going Chris? Hello Spanners and the new year our first live stream of 2023 as well it's
[05:38.080 -> 05:42.880] exciting times. Yeah are you looking forward to the new season Chris? Are you recovered enough?
[05:42.880 -> 05:46.000] I am sufficiently and as you know I very
[05:46.000 -> 05:52.160] much agree with you about how this has been a bit of a slog of an F1 season just because it's so
[05:52.160 -> 05:56.880] long and the fact that we had December off for the World Cup and lengthening that off-season a
[05:56.880 -> 06:01.040] little bit was actually quite nice. I feel refreshed. I didn't realize that. Was the F1
[06:01.040 -> 06:05.280] schedule done with the World Cup in mind? Yes, it certainly was.
[06:05.280 -> 06:07.280] Oh, okay. I learnt something.
[06:07.280 -> 06:11.040] Yeah, the last race of the season was the day the World Cup started.
[06:11.040 -> 06:14.560] Ah, right. And then if you look at the season before, it went quite deep into December.
[06:14.560 -> 06:15.280] So does that mean...
[06:15.280 -> 06:17.280] It was practically... it was Christmas by the time the season ended.
[06:17.280 -> 06:18.880] And it's going to be the same again this year.
[06:18.880 -> 06:22.720] Oh, okay, good. Well, okay, in that case, take a deep breath and maybe I'm okay that
[06:22.720 -> 06:25.680] there's a few more weeks of the pre-season to come.
[06:25.680 -> 06:32.000] And we're also joined by special guest, Matt Summerfield, Matthew Summerfield, SummersF1.
[06:32.000 -> 06:33.800] Don't panic, it's not a tech show.
[06:33.800 -> 06:38.440] Summers, I want to get some of your opinions on the rest of F1.
[06:38.440 -> 06:46.720] Everyone asks you about Aero, but no one ever asks you, do you like Carlos Sainz's hair? And why wouldn't anybody want to ask me
[06:46.720 -> 06:47.560] those kinds of questions?
[06:47.560 -> 06:48.380] Exactly.
[06:48.380 -> 06:50.460] So we're going to dig into our mailbag.
[06:50.460 -> 06:52.480] Some people have tried to sneak some tech in,
[06:52.480 -> 06:54.620] so whether or not they'll be successful later,
[06:54.620 -> 06:56.780] I can't guarantee, but I want to check.
[06:56.780 -> 06:57.620] I don't want to embarrass you.
[06:57.620 -> 07:00.780] You do know stuff like that's not involving tire squirt
[07:00.780 -> 07:02.860] and aero, don't you?
[07:02.860 -> 07:05.080] I kind of know a few things, yeah.
[07:05.080 -> 07:05.920] And you're a fan.
[07:05.920 -> 07:08.140] I peg you as a Williams guy.
[07:09.280 -> 07:10.800] Maybe back in the days,
[07:10.800 -> 07:13.680] but I don't really follow one particular team anymore.
[07:13.680 -> 07:15.840] It's a bit difficult to be a journalist
[07:15.840 -> 07:17.520] and have a team or a driver.
[07:17.520 -> 07:20.680] So you always have to sit on the fence, don't you?
[07:20.680 -> 07:21.720] This is it, guys.
[07:21.720 -> 07:22.560] This is what I forget,
[07:22.560 -> 07:26.880] that Summers is actually a proper journalist for motorsport.com and stuff
[07:26.880 -> 07:30.080] so you've got me so we can't I say what if anyone can get him to do like an
[07:30.080 -> 07:35.720] inflammatory opinion and you know start a flame war you get extra points how's
[07:35.720 -> 07:40.280] that? Challenge accepted. Not a pretend journo like like you Matt that you've
[07:40.280 -> 07:45.360] been to like how many how many accred race races have you been to? A couple? A couple.
[07:45.480 -> 07:45.980] Yeah.
[07:46.000 -> 07:46.880] Formula E though.
[07:47.040 -> 07:47.760] Formula 1.
[07:48.040 -> 07:48.540] Okay.
[07:48.960 -> 07:52.080] And Chris, you are no longer a journalist.
[07:52.160 -> 07:56.320] Now you're in the PR world, but you still, you know, tend to stay fairly neutral.
[07:57.080 -> 07:57.580] Yeah.
[07:57.600 -> 08:01.640] I think it's just kind of in my nature where I'm more a fan of the sport.
[08:01.720 -> 08:02.220] Yeah.
[08:02.240 -> 08:06.160] When I was younger, I definitely was a big McLaren fan because they
[08:06.160 -> 08:10.320] were a British team and at the time had two British drivers in the form of Lewis Hamilton and
[08:10.320 -> 08:14.880] Jenson Button and when I started watching they also just happened to be the two most recent
[08:14.880 -> 08:20.160] world champions as well. So, but yeah over time just more of a fan of the sport. Yeah so we're
[08:20.160 -> 08:25.920] lucky it's a really like neutral unbiased panel with me leading as the most neutral one
[08:25.920 -> 08:33.280] so let's dig into the mailbag. Stop sniggering in the back! I can hear you from here! I can hear you
[08:33.280 -> 08:39.520] typing a YouTube comment. Let's see first up is Fred Philberg with a question who says I'm a new
[08:39.520 -> 08:47.760] F1 fan from the US. Well welcome to F1 fandom Fred, who started watching Afterspar 2022.
[08:47.760 -> 08:51.920] I'm curious what the panel's thoughts are regarding Alpine's performance next year.
[08:51.920 -> 08:58.000] Will Gasly and Ocon succeed? Will the Alpine car not explode daily? Chris?
[08:58.960 -> 09:08.360] Firstly, can I just apologize for the end of the 2022 season, Fred? They are usually more different race winners across the season
[09:08.360 -> 09:12.080] than what you will have seen watching Formula One since Spa.
[09:12.080 -> 09:16.520] Fred, go back and watch the end of the 2013 season for something different.
[09:17.200 -> 09:19.480] Or watch the beginning of the 2013 season,
[09:19.480 -> 09:21.760] which was much more competitive than that.
[09:21.760 -> 09:24.760] But hang on, I have to say, I'm sorry, I have to say,
[09:24.960 -> 09:25.600] Lewis Hamilton
[09:25.600 -> 09:29.700] is very considerate. When he wins a world championship, he tends to then not win any
[09:29.700 -> 09:34.680] more races. So in a Lewis Hamilton championship season, at least you get more winners towards
[09:34.680 -> 09:42.040] the end. Sorry, Chris, carry on. Yes. So to the question, Alpine took a very direct route
[09:42.040 -> 09:45.780] in choosing performance over reliability in 2022.
[09:45.780 -> 09:49.500] And we saw the car was indeed very competitive.
[09:49.500 -> 09:52.900] And it just about worked out in their favor,
[09:52.900 -> 09:55.060] where they did manage to secure fourth
[09:55.060 -> 09:57.340] in the Constructors' Championship
[09:57.340 -> 09:59.700] after a season-long battle with McLaren.
[09:59.700 -> 10:02.320] I think it's safe to say that that battle was a lot closer
[10:02.320 -> 10:04.740] than it probably should have been, especially bearing
[10:04.740 -> 10:09.280] in mind that McLaren were fighting that fight with one hand tied behind their
[10:09.280 -> 10:14.840] back in the form of only having one competitive driver in that car.
[10:14.840 -> 10:21.960] But the Gasly-Ocon combination I think is a very interesting one, assuming that they
[10:21.960 -> 10:31.240] are able to act in a professional manner and set their previous differences aside, which I think is maybe more possible because their
[10:31.240 -> 10:37.840] differences came from both being young, up-and-coming superstars from France and usually competing
[10:37.840 -> 10:42.680] for the same sponsors and competing for the same places on the same grids. But now that
[10:42.680 -> 10:46.640] they're both in Formula One and both race winners, actually,
[10:46.640 -> 10:48.640] I think it might be easier for them to get along.
[10:48.640 -> 10:50.800] It's not gonna be, no, you're wrong.
[10:50.800 -> 10:52.480] And Matt, cause Matt, obviously,
[10:52.480 -> 10:55.720] like you're a big supporter of Esteban Ocon,
[10:55.720 -> 10:58.000] but Ocon has gotten under the skin
[10:58.000 -> 10:59.960] of just about every teammate.
[10:59.960 -> 11:01.040] Like you remember, obviously,
[11:01.040 -> 11:04.320] with me as a Perez fan watching them in the Pink Panthers,
[11:04.320 -> 11:07.200] and they just seem to be, you know, clashing constantly,
[11:07.200 -> 11:12.600] and Ocon, like, selfishly took up room near the barrier at Singapore
[11:12.600 -> 11:15.200] that Perez was clearly always destined to occupy.
[11:15.200 -> 11:19.400] And then, and it, and it, and with Alonso, Alonso is, oh, our friend, you know,
[11:19.400 -> 11:21.600] like, being sarcastic, they've obviously fallen out.
[11:21.600 -> 11:24.600] He's got this history with, with Gasly as well.
[11:24.600 -> 11:25.080] So, like, I think Ocon's. He's got this history with, with Gasly as well.
[11:25.080 -> 11:29.200] So I think Ockhan's a lot more fiery behind the scenes. And he even, it was Ockhan, wasn't
[11:29.200 -> 11:34.960] it, that Verstappen ended up shoving on the, the way bridge. I like, he, he has a habit
[11:34.960 -> 11:37.560] of, of getting under people's skin, Matt.
[11:37.560 -> 11:42.960] Yeah, but you know, I mean, you can't argue with the results. And I will point out that
[11:42.960 -> 11:45.440] he went two seasons with Alonzo
[11:45.440 -> 11:50.960] mm-hmm and we've not seen too many people able to do that without burning
[11:50.960 -> 11:55.080] the entire place down I mean yeah I think Alonzo had some issues with him
[11:55.080 -> 12:00.680] but I overall the relationship remain pretty professional what I want to talk
[12:00.680 -> 12:06.120] about hilariously is that the main problem that Alpine had wasn't
[12:06.120 -> 12:09.320] their internal combustion engine.
[12:09.320 -> 12:13.160] It was just the water pump was not up to snuff.
[12:13.160 -> 12:16.160] They got something about the design wrong, and they weren't able to fix it.
[12:16.160 -> 12:17.160] Oh, sneaking in tech.
[12:17.160 -> 12:18.160] Look at that.
[12:18.160 -> 12:19.160] Yeah.
[12:19.160 -> 12:23.580] As far as the blowing up engines, I'm hoping that we won't see quite as many of them as
[12:23.580 -> 12:24.580] we did last season.
[12:24.580 -> 12:26.340] So, Samuels, I'm not banning you
[12:26.340 -> 12:28.460] from talking about tech in any way.
[12:28.460 -> 12:30.180] And feel free to just come in any time.
[12:30.180 -> 12:32.340] I know normally when you do these tech shows,
[12:32.340 -> 12:35.260] Matt asks 14 questions and then waits patiently
[12:35.260 -> 12:37.960] for half an hour as you answer each one in turn.
[12:37.960 -> 12:41.820] But what's your take on Alpine as a team
[12:41.820 -> 12:44.260] with what you could argue is a superstar
[12:44.260 -> 12:45.360] driver lineup for next year?
[12:46.160 -> 12:50.560] Well, just going back to obviously the Gasly-Ocon sort of relationship, I think
[12:50.560 -> 12:57.280] when you look at the previous partnerships, i.e. Alonso and Perez, you could almost argue that
[12:58.080 -> 13:02.320] it's the teammates that have been rubbed up the wrong way and Ocon's kind of just got there in
[13:02.320 -> 13:05.200] the mix. However, I do think that there might
[13:05.200 -> 13:09.840] be a bit of a sniping behind the scenes between Gasly and Ocon, it's probably going to come
[13:09.840 -> 13:16.620] to blows at some point, especially if Alpine do have a decent car, which they do have the
[13:16.620 -> 13:22.080] potential to do so this year. I think they did an exceptional job last season in terms
[13:22.080 -> 13:28.240] of development on their car, they didn't have to shift development focus too drastically
[13:28.240 -> 13:31.360] from what they started from, and that obviously allowed them to build momentum.
[13:31.640 -> 13:35.480] They had updates all the way till almost the end of the season,
[13:35.960 -> 13:40.120] whereas other teams didn't have that kind of ability to do so.
[13:40.440 -> 13:43.600] So and as Matt already mentioned, that one of their biggest issues
[13:43.600 -> 13:45.240] with the power unit was the water pump.
[13:45.240 -> 13:48.920] Now, I wasn't going to bring that up because it was tech, but Matt's already given me the
[13:48.920 -> 13:49.920] shoe in.
[13:49.920 -> 13:56.720] So, I do think that from a success point of view, Alpine, Gasly and Ocon could be a really
[13:56.720 -> 14:02.240] threatening combination, but I don't think that Alpine have still got the ability to
[14:02.240 -> 14:04.000] take it to the top three.
[14:04.000 -> 14:09.160] And I think this is the biggest problem that Formula One has over the course of the next few years, is closing that gap
[14:09.160 -> 14:12.640] between the top three and those that are in down below them.
[14:12.640 -> 14:16.560] Are we still calling them Renault? Are we still calling them Alpine? We're not going
[14:16.560 -> 14:21.040] to go with, I can't believe it's not Renault. Because part of the reason I think they went
[14:21.040 -> 14:29.960] to that rebrand was, I don't know, out of guess, pressure from the board. We are the mighty Renault. We're previous world champions. We've won
[14:29.960 -> 14:35.720] titles with Red Bull as an engine manufacturer. This is clearly not going well. Abitable gets
[14:35.720 -> 14:41.080] sent on his way after not delivering on the five-year plan or whatever it was, and then
[14:41.080 -> 14:46.160] suddenly they get rebranded as Alpine, which felt like a face-saving exercise.
[14:46.160 -> 14:52.400] I'm not sat on the board of Renault, but it does feel like that, doesn't it, Chris?
[14:52.400 -> 14:58.520] It felt like the whole Alpine thing was just to avert the PR quote-unquote disaster of
[14:58.520 -> 15:00.080] the underwhelming Renault era.
[15:00.080 -> 15:04.080] Yeah, the five-year plan that turned into a six-year plan and then a seven-year plan
[15:04.080 -> 15:06.880] and then an eight-year plan that turned into a six-year plan, and then a seven-year plan, and then an eight-year plan, and so on and so forth.
[15:06.880 -> 15:12.280] And we have to remember that all through this, Matt, you have been the most optimistic Renault
[15:12.280 -> 15:13.280] person.
[15:13.280 -> 15:15.540] They were just going to turn it around any minute.
[15:15.540 -> 15:19.680] And you still have that faith, even since they've been downgraded to Alpine.
[15:19.680 -> 15:23.360] Well, I don't see Alpine as a downgrade.
[15:23.360 -> 15:24.760] I think I would agree with you.
[15:24.760 -> 15:29.440] I think it's a moving of the goalpost by the Renault Corporation.
[15:29.440 -> 15:40.800] As far as the power unit goes, I think they have every right to claim that they are there or thereabouts with Honda and Mercedes in terms of performance.
[15:40.800 -> 15:46.600] In terms of reliability, obviously not yet. But I think the issue for all of
[15:46.600 -> 15:51.080] the midfield teams, and we'll probably talk more about this later, is that I'm looking
[15:51.080 -> 15:58.640] at 5 to 10 years of the cost cap we currently have before the advantage that big teams have
[15:58.640 -> 16:05.960] built up over the previous decade plus they've been in the sport is actually whittled away. They have in
[16:05.960 -> 16:11.760] their, you know, at their command an arsenal of tools the midfield teams
[16:11.760 -> 16:17.600] cannot afford and it's going to take a long time before those tools degrade to
[16:17.600 -> 16:24.000] the point that we have real parity, the kind that the FIA and FOM want.
[16:24.000 -> 16:28.000] I think Alpine this season as well is really going to miss Alonso.
[16:28.000 -> 16:32.000] Now Matt can sit here and he's going to sit here and say
[16:32.000 -> 16:35.000] Ocon beat him in the standings, blah blah blah blah blah, okay?
[16:35.000 -> 16:38.000] But we all know that when those cars were working,
[16:38.000 -> 16:43.000] Alonso was the one up front and scoring the big, big points.
[16:43.000 -> 16:46.140] And those big explosive performances where he
[16:46.140 -> 16:51.280] would suddenly bag a top five or a top six or some really, really amazing Sunday afternoon
[16:51.280 -> 16:57.340] drive from Alonso. I don't think they're going to get that same thing from Pierre Gasly.
[16:57.340 -> 17:02.380] I do expect Gasly to get the better of our con because I just rate gas a little bit higher,
[17:02.380 -> 17:05.760] I think, and he has a bit more potential.
[17:05.760 -> 17:09.440] But yeah, I don't think we're going to see those big explosive performances from them
[17:09.440 -> 17:10.440] anymore.
[17:10.440 -> 17:13.840] Yeah, I don't want to fall out with Matt over it, but I'm also expecting Gazley to come
[17:13.840 -> 17:16.520] in and become the de facto number one driver.
[17:16.520 -> 17:21.120] But I think Matt will get, obviously you'll get your, I told you so moment when, if that
[17:21.120 -> 17:25.920] doesn't transpire, or they put Alonzo's water pump in Gasly's car.
[17:25.920 -> 17:29.640] Just like Alonzo came in and thrashed Ocon.
[17:29.640 -> 17:31.780] Honestly, though, I'm sure Gasly
[17:31.780 -> 17:34.840] and a brand new team will do better.
[17:34.840 -> 17:36.920] We always, Matt, when people move teams
[17:36.920 -> 17:38.320] and we have these kind of arguments
[17:38.320 -> 17:39.440] over the last eight years,
[17:39.440 -> 17:41.880] we always give a few months grace, don't we,
[17:41.880 -> 17:44.680] to let things balance out when a new driver goes.
[17:45.360 -> 17:49.520] I'm not really worried about it. Actually, it's a funny thing Chris mentions the statistics,
[17:50.160 -> 17:54.080] because we had someone ask about teammate battles. I went and collected them all.
[17:54.080 -> 18:00.240] Ocon's highest finish was fourth this season. Alonso's was fifth. So, I mean,
[18:00.240 -> 18:05.480] he's equally capable of finishing at the top end of the field. We saw the battle with Hamilton at
[18:05.480 -> 18:10.440] Suzuka, we saw the battle with Vettel. I think it's going to be an interesting pairing with Gasly.
[18:10.440 -> 18:18.240] And I really don't know which of them is the better driver, but because Okan's been at the
[18:18.240 -> 18:23.480] team already for two years, I suspect this season should be a lock for him.
[18:23.480 -> 18:45.280] And you guys have tripped over another listener question that we've got from Tom, who, and I love this has been discussed a lot, but regardless of
[18:45.280 -> 18:50.240] the new regulations, I feel that although the racing is technically closer, can we realistically
[18:50.240 -> 18:57.000] see a team outside of the big three have any form of a chance to push for a title race
[18:57.000 -> 19:01.160] any time soon? From the outside view, it feels like the big three have far and away the facilities
[19:01.160 -> 19:06.680] and personnel to do it. Of course, Matt touched upon this and I'd like to get Summer's view on this first
[19:06.680 -> 19:11.040] because there was recently someone from Audi
[19:11.040 -> 19:14.720] and I believe it was Dieter Rencken
[19:14.720 -> 19:17.040] wrote an article recently saying
[19:17.040 -> 19:20.240] that Audi are really struggling to hire personnel
[19:20.240 -> 19:22.520] and I don't know where Audi are gonna be based.
[19:22.520 -> 19:24.160] Are they gonna be based in Switzerland,
[19:24.160 -> 19:26.640] Summer, do you know? I would imagine so.
[19:26.640 -> 19:26.960] Yeah.
[19:26.960 -> 19:32.800] As you mentioned, the biggest problem that somebody like Audi have got is being able
[19:32.800 -> 19:38.720] to steal away personnel from other manufacturers that aren't locked into big contracts.
[19:38.720 -> 19:45.080] And some of the bigger teams, that's essentially what they've done is locked their personnel
[19:45.080 -> 19:50.120] into really significantly long contracts in order that they can't then just play musical
[19:50.120 -> 19:51.120] chairs.
[19:51.120 -> 19:52.760] We all know that that's how Formula One works.
[19:52.760 -> 19:56.640] Once you're in that environment, you've either got to be in and out very quickly, or you
[19:56.640 -> 20:09.680] kind of stay in Formula One as a lifer because of the way that the Formula One community doesn't really transfer into perhaps other aspects of, you know, working life that you
[20:09.680 -> 20:10.320] might expect.
[20:10.320 -> 20:14.160] Yeah, you've basically got F1 or then you go into missiles.
[20:14.520 -> 20:16.520] And that's really, that's your choices once you go down that
[20:16.520 -> 20:17.480] path sometimes, I think.
[20:18.160 -> 20:21.320] Yeah, so that's the difficulty I think that you've got is that
[20:21.560 -> 20:26.160] you're competing against already very established teams that
[20:26.160 -> 20:30.960] have projects in the run already, whereas you've got somebody like Audi coming in.
[20:30.960 -> 20:37.160] And remember, they're coming in as an engine manufacturer. They're not coming in as a constructor.
[20:37.160 -> 20:42.960] So they've got to steal personnel from the engine manufacturers. And we've already seen
[20:42.960 -> 20:45.760] that's happened between Mercedes and Red Bull.
[20:45.760 -> 20:50.880] So that's already shortened the amount of people that you can take from that particular pool.
[20:50.880 -> 20:54.320] And then you're on to stealing from the likes of Honda and Ferrari. And we all know
[20:54.320 -> 20:58.960] how Honda works in a very different way. So I think it's going to be really difficult for Audi,
[20:58.960 -> 21:04.640] at least in the early stages. But as we progress maybe two, maybe three years,
[21:06.440 -> 21:08.000] a bit further down the line, then we should be a bit better.
[21:08.000 -> 21:13.420] I need some reminding, Summers. Okay, so Audi are coming in for the team that is currently
[21:13.420 -> 21:20.440] Sauber, Alfa Romeo. Yeah, so Audi are going to be the engine manufacturer for, what will
[21:20.440 -> 21:21.440] that team be?
[21:21.440 -> 21:25.120] Well, I think it's going to be called Audi isn't it? Like it's going to be
[21:32.640 -> 21:38.160] effectively the Audi works team run by Sauber. So it's going to be Sauber badged as an Audi but with Audi as an engine supplier. In the same way that Sauber is badged as Alfa Romeo now. Right
[21:38.160 -> 21:42.240] okay. Correct. But then the fact that they're the engine supplier that should sort of it feels like
[21:42.240 -> 21:45.520] that's enough to call it Audi, I guess. I
[21:45.520 -> 21:51.920] don't know like how much of them is then spiritually still Sauber at all. Like Sauber has become kind
[21:51.920 -> 22:01.840] of almost like a Rivan drive for other companies. They're still making the car. For me, a works team
[22:01.840 -> 22:06.560] is an entity that creates both the chassis and the engine or
[22:06.560 -> 22:09.440] power unit, which is not what Audi is doing.
[22:09.440 -> 22:14.800] Okay. I suddenly feel like it was really insulting to call Sauber a drive and drive, but it does
[22:14.800 -> 22:19.920] feel like they've just become like a team for hire, almost like what you'd have, Matt,
[22:19.920 -> 22:26.520] as the customer team model that we always hoped for. You get your Saubers and a Dallara
[22:26.520 -> 22:31.600] to sit and make cars and make chassis, and then someone can come in and pick and choose.
[22:31.600 -> 22:35.680] But we had dreams of that kind of model maybe coming in when we were talking about this
[22:35.680 -> 22:43.400] nearly a decade ago. F1 has really gone the other way, and it really wants names and manufacturers
[22:43.400 -> 22:45.040] rather than that kind of,
[22:45.760 -> 22:51.040] you know, it doesn't want another Williams coming in, being able to pick a Dallara chassis or a
[22:51.040 -> 22:57.120] Sauber wheelbase and go racing. Oh no, it'd be fine, I think, with Williams if Williams had a
[22:57.120 -> 23:05.400] deal with a large manufacturer to make its own power unit, for example. And this is the interesting thing about the Audi hookup.
[23:05.400 -> 23:11.160] We've seen Sauber partner with BMW. Alfa Romeo is really more of just a
[23:11.160 -> 23:16.200] sponsorship, a brand thing. I know they say they bring some stuff, they share
[23:16.200 -> 23:21.800] some, but it's really pretty much Sauber is the operations side of thing. Audi is
[23:21.800 -> 23:30.640] going to be the power unit, but the interesting thing is they will have the advantage, Sauber will, of designing a chassis in cahoots with
[23:30.640 -> 23:36.240] their power unit manufacturer, and that's where we have seen the big teams, Red
[23:36.240 -> 23:41.640] Bull, Mercedes, and Ferrari, be able to gain a lot of advantage over their
[23:41.640 -> 23:47.520] customers. That is assuming that they do it properly and actually
[23:47.520 -> 23:54.880] communicate on those things because it would not be the first, you know, sort of manufacturer tie-in
[23:54.880 -> 24:01.120] that would not actually communicate between their engine and chassis departments.
[24:02.880 -> 24:26.160] Okay, this does inevitably and naturally lead us on to all the Andretti talk. So, grassy departments. about this as a news story. But there are some non-team questions coming up. I think
[24:26.160 -> 24:30.360] there's some fun ones about rules from another series from Kevin, which I'm going to go to
[24:30.360 -> 24:36.800] next. But we are naturally moving on to Andretti. So, CJ, among others, says, Hello, MissedApexCrew.
[24:36.800 -> 24:41.520] You continue to be the best and most informative podcast out there. And he didn't specify,
[24:41.520 -> 24:46.320] or they didn't specify F1, so it could be out of all the podcast topics
[24:46.320 -> 24:50.880] more informative than all the science ones. Thank you. What are your thoughts on the news
[24:50.880 -> 24:55.760] that Andretti and Cadillac are teaming together to try and get to the grid? Are you hopeful,
[24:55.760 -> 25:01.760] excited, heard this news before sort of thing? That kind of sums it up for me, that last sentence.
[25:01.760 -> 25:09.600] Are you hopeful, excited, have you heard this news before sort of thing? And lots of people asking similar questions. So we've got Rico
[25:10.240 -> 25:14.800] saying, you know, GM and Cadillac announced they are partnered with Andretti for the F1 bid.
[25:14.800 -> 25:19.840] They aren't going to make an engine though, so what are they going to do? And of course,
[25:19.840 -> 25:26.160] the FIA president, Mohammed bin Salaim, also kind of came out and almost publicly dressed
[25:26.160 -> 25:33.520] down in a very kind of subtweety manner, the team principals who have been opposed to another
[25:33.520 -> 25:38.280] team joining. And that is predominantly Toto Wolff, but these thoughts, I've also seen
[25:38.280 -> 25:46.000] them quotes from Christian Horner and from Gunter Steiner, also kind of objecting and protecting their own
[25:46.000 -> 25:51.000] interest in Formula One. So I think I'll start with you, Matt. Why on earth? And this is
[25:51.000 -> 25:55.760] because you're American, isn't it? Why should I be excited about this? He's right. He's
[25:55.760 -> 25:59.920] right. We have heard this kind of thing before. With this kind of thing, I'm like, tell me
[25:59.920 -> 26:12.680] when there's actually something happening. At the moment, I feel like there's some news that maybe a team with no actual F1, recent F1 pedigree and a manufacturer from
[26:12.680 -> 26:18.140] left field making their engines is going to make a bid to come into Formula One and do
[26:18.140 -> 26:23.720] very well to do anything else but be a backmarker team and it hasn't even happened yet. Why
[26:23.720 -> 26:25.880] should I be excited about this?
[26:25.880 -> 26:31.840] You should be excited about it because it's going to finally bring American eyeballs in
[26:31.840 -> 26:38.280] the numbers that Formula One has been looking for for the past decade, if not more.
[26:38.280 -> 26:44.040] So let's start with that, but we can also be specific and talk about Andretti in Formula
[26:44.040 -> 26:46.560] One. Of course, Mario Andretti,
[26:46.560 -> 26:48.560] still driving race cars.
[26:48.560 -> 26:51.040] Yes. Yeah. 18?
[26:51.040 -> 26:52.040] Probably.
[26:52.040 -> 26:55.120] 18 and change, yeah.
[26:55.120 -> 26:58.120] Is a former Formula One world champion.
[26:58.120 -> 26:59.120] Sure.
[26:59.120 -> 27:10.120] His son, who runs the team, raced in Formula One, they have been successful in IndyCar, and they
[27:10.120 -> 27:18.320] are now partnering with GM, GM who makes Corvette, the Ferrari killer of mid-engine sports cars.
[27:18.320 -> 27:26.800] Cadillac, the brand, has been immensely successful in IMSA sports cars running prototypes in combination with Wayne Taylor
[27:26.800 -> 27:33.840] Racing, I do believe. And so you've got this long history of involvement of top-level racing
[27:34.560 -> 27:41.840] and racing teams, and you have the one thing that Formula One said it really needed, which is,
[27:41.840 -> 27:45.260] if we are going to dilute the prize pool, you gotta bring
[27:45.260 -> 27:49.260] something that's going to grow it enough to make it worthwhile.
[27:49.260 -> 27:53.740] Well, I mean, I don't know, it seems like a lot of marketing in America is going to
[27:53.740 -> 27:56.740] come along with GM and Cadillac and Andretti.
[27:56.740 -> 28:01.340] ALICE So I think it was an impressive serve, the
[28:01.340 -> 28:06.680] sort of halfway through last year, when Andretti said they were launching a Formula One bid.
[28:06.680 -> 28:10.040] But that serve got returned when Formula One said,
[28:10.040 -> 28:13.600] oh, you have to bring something of some sort of value,
[28:13.600 -> 28:16.740] as if bringing the most famous name
[28:16.740 -> 28:20.060] in American motorsport wasn't enough.
[28:20.060 -> 28:24.360] So they say, okay, how about this for a return serve?
[28:24.360 -> 28:32.800] We'll bring you the most profitable car manufacturer of 2022 that is American.
[28:32.920 -> 28:37.540] And we will bring this all American team with at least one American
[28:37.540 -> 28:41.080] driver to the Formula One grid.
[28:41.440 -> 28:48.160] And not only make the field more interesting, because when you get more cars, you get more
[28:48.160 -> 28:52.480] storage, you get more carbon, you get everything. It's just better when there is more. They
[28:52.480 -> 28:56.640] will bring something of value. And to the point where they say they're not bringing
[28:56.640 -> 29:02.280] an engine, they're not bringing an engine straight away, because there's every chance
[29:02.280 -> 29:05.960] that the Andretti name will be on the grid before 2026.
[29:05.960 -> 29:09.160] There is no point in Cadillac making an engine pre-2026.
[29:09.160 -> 29:13.440] Wait, wait, wait, wait. Is this team, this bid, is for what year?
[29:13.440 -> 29:18.480] Well, we don't know yet. They said in their release it will enter as soon as is practical.
[29:18.480 -> 29:21.480] Oh, it's going to be 2025.
[29:21.480 -> 29:28.020] So it could be 24, it could be 25, But until then, they will need to run a customer engine, which
[29:28.020 -> 29:29.620] is likely to be a Renault.
[29:29.620 -> 29:32.060] And then in 2026, who knows what is possible?
[29:32.060 -> 29:34.340] Because there's every opportunity that Cadillac,
[29:34.340 -> 29:38.060] which as Matt mentioned, is a historic name
[29:38.060 -> 29:40.660] in American sports car racing.
[29:40.660 -> 29:43.420] IMSA is like the equivalent in America of the World Endurance
[29:43.420 -> 29:43.940] Championship.
[29:43.940 -> 29:48.000] And they are taking on Le Mans this year as well, the 24 hours.
[29:48.000 -> 29:50.760] There's every chance they'll come in as a manufacturer as well.
[29:50.760 -> 29:55.160] I don't see why this isn't a big thing.
[29:55.160 -> 29:56.160] Okay.
[29:56.160 -> 30:01.040] It obviously, when they arrive, it will be a big and interesting thing, but an unnamed
[30:01.040 -> 30:10.560] date in the future, I think it's taking up a lot of column inches, but obviously it's the off-season. But we do hear this kind of thing all the time, and these things fall
[30:10.560 -> 30:14.160] through. How many news stories did we have? Porsche this, Porsche that, Porsche this and
[30:14.160 -> 30:17.400] the other, and now we never think about it again.
[30:17.400 -> 30:22.080] But that deal got to like 99.9% of the way done.
[30:22.080 -> 30:23.080] That's what I'm telling you.
[30:23.080 -> 30:30.480] That's what good journalism is. What did American Pie, did it teach you nothing? You don't score until you score. My goodness.
[30:30.480 -> 30:35.640] Summers, I'm coming in with my theoretical new engine manufacturer eventually and my
[30:35.640 -> 30:40.000] new American team based a million miles away, but given the problems we've talked about
[30:40.000 -> 30:47.680] Audi having with an extant team, what chance has an outlying American manufacturer with
[30:47.680 -> 30:54.120] no recent F1 engineering and competition experience actually got of making a fist of it? And I'm
[30:54.120 -> 30:59.080] imagining if they don't immediately make an impact, they're going to come under huge pressure.
[30:59.080 -> 31:00.480] Project has, I cite.
[31:00.480 -> 31:05.560] Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong, I firmly believe that Andretti are the team that have
[31:05.560 -> 31:11.200] the best credentials to come in and basically deal with the problem that is entering Formula
[31:11.200 -> 31:17.040] One, because it has been and always will be very, very difficult to go from the ground
[31:17.040 -> 31:22.260] up in Formula One. And I do believe that they sit in a region that allows them to do so
[31:22.260 -> 31:25.880] because of their experience. It's just a whole
[31:25.880 -> 31:29.440] timing issue that I see the problem with. And I think that one of the biggest reasons
[31:29.440 -> 31:35.200] that we're seeing pushback from the other teams is the commercial deals and what was
[31:35.200 -> 31:41.080] once called the Concord Agreement has been signed until technically 2026. All the funding
[31:41.080 -> 31:47.720] that has revolved around that is already set in place. And we've got Andretti wanting to come in and fill a space on the grid
[31:47.840 -> 31:51.440] prior to that agreement fulfilling its destiny.
[31:51.720 -> 31:55.720] And I think that's probably where the rest of the teams
[31:55.720 -> 31:57.760] have really got a bit of an issue with it.
[31:57.760 -> 32:01.920] Not realistically Andretti themselves, just what has been agreed
[32:01.920 -> 32:05.000] between the FOM, FIA and the teams themselves.
[32:05.000 -> 32:09.080] Okay, let's see how much interest and knowledge you have in this then, Samwise. The relationship
[32:09.080 -> 32:15.760] between FOM, which is Liberty Media, the commercial rights holder, that used to be CVC, what Bernie
[32:15.760 -> 32:21.280] Ecclestone owned, and the relationship between that and the current FIA president, who by
[32:21.280 -> 32:29.720] the way, we've never heard so much from an FIA president, he's just he's just active on social media, he's doing rowdy speeches on stage, they
[32:29.720 -> 32:33.200] don't seem to be linking up. I'm not sure how aligned their interests are and
[32:33.200 -> 32:37.680] here's a sneaky one. I've got a feeling that there is beef between the FIA and
[32:37.680 -> 32:42.280] Toto Wolf and based on nothing at all I think Toto Wolf has kept his powder dry
[32:42.280 -> 32:49.160] for the last few years when he could have been much more Christian Hornery because he's eventually going to end up running F1 Bernie
[32:49.160 -> 32:50.160] style.
[32:50.160 -> 32:55.240] I think that might be slightly a stretch, but yeah, I agree that one of the big issues
[32:55.240 -> 33:00.760] that you have is that people perhaps don't understand how the mechanism of the FIA and
[33:00.760 -> 33:01.760] FOM work.
[33:01.760 -> 33:09.240] You know, Formula One management is technically the commercial arm of the business. They lease
[33:09.240 -> 33:12.640] that business from the FIA. The FIA are the governing body.
[33:12.640 -> 33:13.640] So confusing.
[33:13.640 -> 33:18.560] And so obviously, you have this situation where if the two rub up against one another,
[33:18.560 -> 33:27.840] then you've got a bit of a problem there. And at the end of the day, there's only so much pie to feed off of. I think that's
[33:27.840 -> 33:32.360] primarily where the big issues are lying, is from a financial aspect. Teams are getting
[33:32.360 -> 33:36.560] rubbed up the wrong way because they feel that some of their pie might be eaten away
[33:36.560 -> 33:42.320] at by a new entry. But we've had this situation in the past. You look back at 2010 and the
[33:42.320 -> 33:46.640] entry of those extra teams, and that caused a massive amount
[33:46.640 -> 33:52.640] of controversy in those respects and I think it's a dangerous region for Formula One to get back into,
[33:53.440 -> 33:57.360] especially with a team like you say that has to start from scratch.
[33:57.360 -> 33:59.680] Mason If the pie disappears,
[33:59.680 -> 34:02.960] we'll just tell mother that we ate it all. Chris?
[34:02.960 -> 34:07.880] Chris So those three teams that came in in 2010,
[34:07.880 -> 34:11.360] they were all promised a cost cap that never came.
[34:11.360 -> 34:12.560] We have a cost cap now.
[34:12.560 -> 34:13.560] RILEY Yeah, we do.
[34:13.560 -> 34:14.560] So bring back Katerim!
[34:14.560 -> 34:18.600] ALICE No, no, no, no, no, I think that might be a
[34:18.600 -> 34:19.600] stretch.
[34:19.600 -> 34:20.600] RILEY Marushia, then!
[34:20.600 -> 34:21.600] In you come, Marushia!
[34:21.600 -> 34:22.600] Come on!
[34:22.600 -> 34:23.600] Who's the other one?
[34:23.600 -> 34:24.600] Who was the other one, Chris?
[34:24.600 -> 34:25.280] ALICE Well, Lotus, that turned into Katerim, and HRT. RILEY Oh, yeah, HRT. Sorry, HRT. In you come, Marussia! Come on! Who's the other one? Who was the other one, Chris?
[34:28.400 -> 34:29.120] Well, Lotus, that turned into KTM, and HRT.
[34:31.840 -> 34:37.040] Yeah, HRT. So let's bring those four back. Three. Yeah, three. But to Summer's point about the sort of dilution of the prize part,
[34:37.040 -> 34:45.800] obviously there was this 200 million anti-dilution entry fee, which would have worked out at 20 million per team, which they're
[34:45.800 -> 34:51.320] now saying is not enough to compensate for the extra team.
[34:51.320 -> 34:54.200] And all the teams saying this, that, and the other, I don't think the team should be having
[34:54.200 -> 34:55.700] a say in this whatsoever.
[34:55.700 -> 35:00.720] It should be a Formula One and FIA decision, and has nothing to do with the existing teams.
[35:00.720 -> 35:07.520] But to your point, Spanners, where you're saying that these teams have no relevant recent
[35:07.520 -> 35:13.840] Formula One experience. Yes. Who does apart from the existing teams on the grid who in your list
[35:13.840 -> 35:22.800] is worthy of an F1? I just said Caterham, Virgin, Mauritius, Lotus, HRT, like come on. No but I would
[35:22.800 -> 35:25.360] count like that as as recent, but you know, Matt has
[35:25.360 -> 35:30.640] done a good job I think of spelling out the pedigree in other motorsports. So if you, I guess
[35:30.640 -> 35:36.400] you know, to counteract myself Matt, I think would you have confidence that those skills and that
[35:36.400 -> 35:41.200] knowledge is transferable given the fact that really if you're going to succeed in F1 you're
[35:41.200 -> 35:46.900] going to have to go and steal a bunch of people from Ferrari, Red Bull, Mercedes.
[35:46.900 -> 35:50.200] Well, here's the thing.
[35:50.200 -> 35:52.460] For the power unit, yes.
[35:52.460 -> 35:59.060] But we know, we believe, and Summers will correct me when I am wrong, that they have
[35:59.060 -> 36:03.660] already a power unit supply in place.
[36:03.660 -> 36:08.600] Now if you pay your $200 million fee and you come in in 2024,
[36:08.600 -> 36:12.100] that's each team getting 10 million a year for two years.
[36:12.700 -> 36:17.000] So we're into the new regulations and they can argue about how much of the 50%
[36:17.000 -> 36:18.100] the teams currently get.
[36:18.600 -> 36:22.800] The team should get if there's an 11th team, they can negotiate that then.
[36:23.200 -> 36:27.200] But I was curious. So I did this thing where I divided
[36:27.200 -> 36:37.600] 50 for 50% by 10, and I got 5. And then I divided it by 11, and I got 4.54%. So on a per team basis,
[36:37.600 -> 36:49.720] you're talking about like 0.46% less. On the other hand, if they bring in 100 million new American viewers, well,
[36:49.720 -> 36:54.800] I'm pretty sure my marketing team's going to tell me that we're making more money with the extra
[36:54.800 -> 37:01.840] eyeballs than we're losing with that 0.46% that we've now handed over to Andretti, which has
[37:01.840 -> 37:07.320] already offset it with like 10 million a year anyway, if they happen to come in before 26.
[37:07.320 -> 37:08.640] My favorite part of that
[37:08.640 -> 37:11.560] was when you slowly read maths out loud.
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[38:02.600 -> 38:23.160] So shop Friday, November 24th and save big! Doors open at 5AM, so get there early! Sam, you'd be a good aerodynamicist. You do quite a lot of hand-drawn tech drawings.
[38:23.160 -> 38:27.000] And you're a really good artist, but how much of that
[38:27.000 -> 38:31.720] is artistic license and how much of it is based on aerodynamic knowledge?
[38:31.720 -> 38:37.560] Well, it's mostly artistic license, isn't it? You know, I'm explaining how things operate
[38:37.560 -> 38:43.360] in a general sense, but if you're asking if I want to be an aerodynamicist for Andres,
[38:43.360 -> 38:46.000] what I'm asking, it's not happening, is it?
[38:46.000 -> 38:53.000] Actually, it was more of an excuse to point people at your work because I believe you are the best F1 tech communicator out there.
[38:53.000 -> 39:00.000] There's some strong competition, increasingly so. Are you annoyed at the amount of new good tech people that have come in?
[39:00.000 -> 39:05.040] Because it used to just be you and Scobbs. It did. Well, there was always a few others,
[39:05.040 -> 39:06.800] if you talk worldwide.
[39:06.800 -> 39:10.200] But yeah, me and Craig are pretty much
[39:10.200 -> 39:13.440] there or thereabouts in terms of the social medias,
[39:13.440 -> 39:15.040] let's put it that way, and the way
[39:15.040 -> 39:17.160] that we came through that sort of ranks.
[39:17.160 -> 39:20.480] But yeah, there's a lot of new people appearing.
[39:20.480 -> 39:21.960] But there's a lot of people appearing
[39:21.960 -> 39:28.000] on different sorts of tech, doing things like with simulation data, etc.
[39:28.000 -> 39:34.000] So I think there's a lot of room for what we do. It's a niche topic anyway, so you even like it or don't.
[39:34.000 -> 39:38.000] It's a rising tech tide which would raise all ships.
[39:38.000 -> 39:49.600] Any interesting Summers articles that we should point people to and put a link in the show notes of? Well, over the Christmas period, as is usual, I did my annual review of every single team
[39:49.600 -> 39:54.680] and obviously showed the development throughout the course of the season. So those articles
[39:54.680 -> 39:59.200] are out there. If you go to my Twitter, you can follow the thread. And I do have over
[39:59.200 -> 40:03.680] the course of the next few weeks, another set of sort of a mini series of articles coming
[40:03.680 -> 40:05.520] out, looking at all the tech from
[40:05.520 -> 40:11.920] last year and where that might have an impact on the development for 2023 as well. Excellent so Matt
[40:11.920 -> 40:16.160] why don't we get a link to that in the show notes and also we can get a link to the last
[40:16.160 -> 40:21.680] tech time as well and the last tech segments hosted of course by Matt to Rumpets.
[40:33.600 -> 40:38.040] to give this one some lip service. James from Canada says, would you rather have Carlos
[40:38.040 -> 40:43.280] Sainz's hair, Nigel Mansell's moustache, or David Coulthard's chin? There you go, Chris.
[40:43.280 -> 40:45.880] What would you rather have? And why is it Nigel Mansell's moustache or David Coulthard's chin? There you go, Chris. What would you rather have? And why is it Nigel Mansell's moustache?
[40:46.340 -> 40:49.200] No, it is definitely not Nigel Mansell's moustache.
[40:49.200 -> 40:53.640] I know they're sort of coming back, but I still feel like they have a certain
[40:53.720 -> 40:56.080] aesthetic that would not suit me.
[40:56.400 -> 41:00.360] Um, and I already have Carlos Sainz's hair, so it would be DC's chin because
[41:00.700 -> 41:03.180] anytime somebody wanted to punch me in the jaw, it just break their hand.
[41:03.200 -> 41:03.400] Yeah.
[41:03.400 -> 41:07.080] I'm, I'm torn because as a round facer,
[41:07.080 -> 41:09.400] as someone with an incredibly round face,
[41:09.400 -> 41:13.040] I do look at David Cawthart's chin with some envy.
[41:13.040 -> 41:15.380] But you know, the facial hair works really well
[41:15.380 -> 41:19.640] on a round face, as proved by the actor John Sim.
[41:19.640 -> 41:21.480] And also proven by the fact that
[41:21.480 -> 41:23.960] when I accidentally didn't put the guard on my razors
[41:23.960 -> 41:28.640] and then I ended up having to shave my whole face recently. My daughter nearly
[41:28.640 -> 41:33.720] cried and my wife treated it like we sat everyone down and she was like, right, it's going to
[41:33.720 -> 41:37.720] take a couple of weeks for daddy's facial hair to grow back. And it's just a difficult
[41:37.720 -> 41:41.960] time we're all going to have to go through. But Nigel Mansell's mustache is so iconic
[41:41.960 -> 41:47.080] that when I've seen him in recent interviews without it, like I'm, I'm physically upset that where is Nigel Mansell's moustache is so iconic that when I've seen him in recent interviews without it, I'm physically upset.
[41:47.080 -> 41:49.440] Where is Nigel Mansell's moustache?
[41:49.440 -> 41:50.440] He's unrecognisable.
[41:50.440 -> 41:51.440] Yeah.
[41:51.440 -> 41:57.200] And of course, Summers is competing for the prize of best hair with Carlos Sainz.
[41:57.200 -> 41:58.200] Obviously.
[41:58.200 -> 41:59.200] Yeah.
[41:59.200 -> 42:04.080] But I would go for Mansell's moustache as well, because clearly I need to hide some
[42:04.080 -> 42:05.560] of what's going on here.
[42:05.560 -> 42:08.200] And that would offer the best way of doing so.
[42:08.200 -> 42:12.680] There you go. There you go, James. Hope you're happy with yourself. There is a question here
[42:12.680 -> 42:17.960] from Kevin or Kozo. Hang on. Cool. Wow. We've gone all around the world, haven't we? So
[42:17.960 -> 42:23.960] we've had Canada, America, New Zealand. Let's assume that Kevin is from Madagascar. Kevin
[42:23.960 -> 42:25.200] from Madagascar says,
[42:25.200 -> 42:31.440] if F1 could adopt a rule from another series, which would you get? Well, what do you think,
[42:31.440 -> 42:34.720] Chris? Could F1 steal some rules from other series?
[42:34.720 -> 42:35.120] Chris Baber, F1 Commentator, Radiohead
[42:35.120 -> 42:43.280] Pro-Am lineups. As in, we get amateur racers to come and swap in and do a stint. Just a bunch of
[42:43.840 -> 42:45.040] middle-aged businessmen,
[42:45.040 -> 42:47.180] they do 30 minutes each race.
[42:48.100 -> 42:49.520] It got to a point though,
[42:49.520 -> 42:52.800] in one a few seasons back where, you know,
[42:52.800 -> 42:57.080] especially like with Mazepin, Stroll, Latifi,
[42:57.080 -> 42:59.440] it was starting to look a little bit like that.
[42:59.440 -> 43:03.000] And thankfully Guan Yu Zhou has looked reasonable.
[43:03.000 -> 43:06.400] Otherwise that could easily look like a pro-AM
[43:06.400 -> 43:07.400] business arrangement.
[43:07.400 -> 43:13.700] I'm talking about proper AMs, like the ones you get at Le Mans and the Spa 24 hours that
[43:13.700 -> 43:20.260] get in the way of all the pros. No, for real, it would be the return of some form of push
[43:20.260 -> 43:29.360] to pass system like the old KERS, and I know they're upping the battery power for 2026. I would
[43:29.360 -> 43:35.920] love that to go back into manual control and allow the drivers to deploy it strategically in
[43:35.920 -> 43:40.960] wheel-to-wheel combat. Okay, so before the hybrid era, and I'm sure Somers is going to correct me
[43:40.960 -> 43:45.540] on the date, it was before 2014, wasn't it like 2011 we had KERS?
[43:45.540 -> 43:53.680] So technically, if you want to be really coy about it, as I'm sure Summers would say, technically
[43:53.680 -> 43:59.000] KERS when it was introduced in 2009 was also a hybrid era because it was technically a
[43:59.000 -> 44:10.160] hybrid engine. But in terms of the proper hybrid era, as we know it started in 2014. No, no, but what I'm saying is before the turbo hybrid era, if you like, 42014, there
[44:10.160 -> 44:15.280] was some reclamation of kinetic energy which got stored and they could press a button and
[44:15.280 -> 44:17.080] couldn't they get like 10 seconds, summers?
[44:17.080 -> 44:19.340] 10 seconds of boost?
[44:19.340 -> 44:22.320] It was 6.66 if memory serves.
[44:22.320 -> 44:24.840] It was 80 horsepower.
[44:24.840 -> 44:27.360] And I can't remember the kilowatts of power
[44:27.360 -> 44:28.960] that they had off the top of my head.
[44:28.960 -> 44:29.960] 2011? 2011?
[44:29.960 -> 44:38.120] It was first actually introduced in 2009. But Braun and Red Bull didn't run it. Only
[44:38.120 -> 44:43.480] the likes of McLaren did. And the system was really heavy. And so it was basically abandoned
[44:43.480 -> 44:49.880] for a year in 2010. came back in 2011 until 2013. Excellent, but okay so from a tactical
[44:49.880 -> 44:55.320] point of view though it did afford something genuinely interesting and when
[44:55.320 -> 44:59.240] you played your vidya game that was quite a cool thing to have, oh when should I
[44:59.240 -> 45:04.400] deploy my extra power? And I don't I don't think that would be too gimmicky
[45:04.400 -> 45:05.680] to bring back something like
[45:05.680 -> 45:12.280] that when half the car is now battery. Surely now more than ever you've got a chance to
[45:12.280 -> 45:16.980] do it. And I guess they do do it to some extent, but it's all done with modes and from the
[45:16.980 -> 45:20.480] engineer's point of view and it's kind of all preset. Are you going to be regenerating
[45:20.480 -> 45:25.120] mode? Are you going to be attacking mode? Are you going to be using up your power?
[45:25.120 -> 45:27.800] Or are you going to be somewhere in between?
[45:27.800 -> 45:31.240] I think the biggest thing about KERS was that it was something that people could actually
[45:31.240 -> 45:34.600] see. You know, it was a visual thing that they could see on the broadcast. And so it
[45:34.600 -> 45:39.820] made it obvious to you that it was from a strategic point of view, the driver was in
[45:39.820 -> 45:45.320] control of it. But obviously behind the scenes with the turbo hybrid era, those things
[45:45.320 -> 45:49.280] are all happening, we just don't know they're happening unless suddenly you
[45:49.280 -> 45:53.220] know they lose 160 horsepower down the straight because they've suddenly got no
[45:53.220 -> 45:59.120] power for the MG UK to push along. In a very similar scenario, I've talked about
[45:59.120 -> 46:04.800] this on on other occasions, but my way of improving the series would be to do with
[46:04.800 -> 46:07.200] DRS in a very similar way
[46:07.200 -> 46:11.360] in that I don't believe the way that DRS operates at the moment is probably the most
[46:11.360 -> 46:16.640] efficient way of using it. We should basically use it as a push to pass system and you should
[46:16.640 -> 46:21.760] have so many pushes per race and then that way it becomes a strategic aspect. You can use it for
[46:21.760 -> 46:25.480] attack and defense and you and the drivers are in control
[46:25.480 -> 46:31.280] of when they're using DRS, rather than having a pass that is arbitrary going to happen.
[46:31.280 -> 46:33.880] That's why I think people have a big problem with DRS right now.
[46:33.880 -> 46:41.180] Well, let's say if we dispensed with DRS, and by DRS I mean the mechanism by which,
[46:41.180 -> 46:44.680] when you are a second behind the car in front, at a certain activation point, you're allowed
[46:44.680 -> 46:49.140] to open the rear flap and give yourself less drag for the whole of that straight
[46:49.140 -> 46:53.660] until you hit the brakes again. So let's say they got rid of that, you've still got the
[46:53.660 -> 46:57.940] technology, you've still got all the buttons, I don't think it would be technically difficult
[46:57.940 -> 47:04.620] to as you say go right okay well you're allowed 10 minutes of DRS in the whole race, go for
[47:04.620 -> 47:06.240] it, or you know probably less. Chris.
[47:06.240 -> 47:12.960] Yeah, so DTM ran DRS where it was a certain number of seconds. I think it was something
[47:12.960 -> 47:19.360] like 200 seconds or, you know, it's 200 seconds of like push to pass in an IndyCar, for example.
[47:19.360 -> 47:24.960] But yeah, the big difference for me between the pre-turbo hybrid KERS and what we have
[47:24.960 -> 47:26.920] now is that it
[47:26.920 -> 47:28.120] was in the driver's control.
[47:28.120 -> 47:30.600] They would push that button and they would deploy it themselves.
[47:30.600 -> 47:35.480] Whereas now it's just all done by some automated system.
[47:35.480 -> 47:40.660] And the only real difference is when you tell them, oh, you can use the overtake button.
[47:40.660 -> 47:45.280] And even then all they're doing is getting more power of what they're already getting if
[47:45.280 -> 47:50.880] that makes sense. And it's, and they only, you know, for reliability reasons, are only allowed
[47:50.880 -> 47:55.920] to use it like once a weekend. Okay, question here, what problem are we solving? I don't know
[47:55.920 -> 48:00.720] if that's, Matt, what? Purity of racing. Purity of racing, but okay. But not, okay, not purity of
[48:00.720 -> 48:07.520] racing. I think getting rid of super easy DRS passes and giving an extra strategic tool
[48:07.520 -> 48:13.760] in wheel-to-wheel combat. Purity of racing. I just want to say, like, 2000s kids, say what? Because
[48:13.760 -> 48:19.040] if you were F1 in the 90s, you can take your purity of racing and you can stick it up your
[48:19.040 -> 48:25.000] blown diffuser. That was dull. There were some dull races in the 90s. Matt.
[48:25.000 -> 48:29.880] I think what we're solving is the quality overtakes problem.
[48:29.880 -> 48:34.840] If you are going to allow both drivers to deploy DRS for a fixed time limit across a
[48:34.840 -> 48:41.840] Grand Prix, well now I can employ it defensively or offensively, and I've increased the amount
[48:41.840 -> 48:45.120] of driver skill required and strategic thinking on the part of driver skill required and
[48:45.120 -> 48:47.680] strategic thinking on the part of the team and how I
[48:47.840 -> 48:52.940] Deploy that in order to get to the end of the Grand Prix as quickly as possible
[48:52.940 -> 48:57.700] but for me as much as I love summers and his wild idea of
[48:58.280 -> 49:00.600] driver controlled DRS push to pass
[49:01.240 -> 49:03.240] The rule I would change
[49:07.360 -> 49:10.800] push to pass. The rule I would change? Easy. I would take the red flag rule from Indy and I would use it in Formula One from tomorrow to the end of time.
[49:10.800 -> 49:14.720] No. Well, okay, first of all, set out what is the red flag rule and I'll tell you why
[49:14.720 -> 49:15.720] you're wrong.
[49:15.720 -> 49:23.820] It's very simple. If you, through your own actions, cause another driver to not be able
[49:23.820 -> 49:28.440] to complete a lap in qualifying, your best lap gets deleted.
[49:28.440 -> 49:29.280] I love that.
[49:29.280 -> 49:30.680] That's a simplification of,
[49:30.680 -> 49:33.040] for all intents and purposes, that's how it would work.
[49:33.040 -> 49:36.160] I thought at first you were referring to red flags,
[49:36.160 -> 49:38.400] you know, towards if there's a late safety car
[49:38.400 -> 49:40.880] and then do what they did in Baku in 21
[49:40.880 -> 49:42.920] and have a two lap shootout.
[49:42.920 -> 49:47.680] And, you know, my concern there was if that became the norm, race directors
[49:47.680 -> 49:51.280] would... that would become like race director crack. You could be like, oh my god, I can make
[49:51.280 -> 49:54.400] it so exciting. And then you're going to have someone in their ear going, this is a really
[49:54.400 -> 50:07.280] boring race, but we could have a really exciting final. And you would have them every other race. But this one is not only is it a no-brainer, it should be like, of course,
[50:07.280 -> 50:16.960] if you foul in qualifying three and you disadvantage everyone else, that should be taken away. But how
[50:16.960 -> 50:23.680] often did we have that happen and we went, there I am at Monaco, oopsies, yes, sorry Max, Bottas has
[50:23.680 -> 50:27.200] done it, Rosberg's done it, Leclerc's done it. Schumacher's done it.
[50:27.200 -> 50:31.000] Most of them have done something like that in their racing careers.
[50:31.000 -> 50:36.200] But oh my goodness, was there clutching of pearls any time we suggested that it was a bit dodgy?
[50:36.200 -> 50:42.600] And oh, Perez, the Perez one, where there's now allegations that he admitted that he did that on purpose at Monaco.
[50:42.600 -> 50:46.000] I think they were all on purpose.
[50:46.000 -> 50:51.280] So I'm just gonna say, the Rosberg one, where he robbed Hamilton of getting it at Monaco,
[50:51.280 -> 50:55.680] probably on purpose. Perez allegedly said it was on purpose. Schumacher one, parking
[50:55.680 -> 51:01.680] at Rascasse, blatantly on purpose. The Leclerc one, maybe on purpose, but he went too far
[51:01.680 -> 51:09.520] and broke his gearbox. There was a Bottas one. I can't remember where it was, but it was, it was so blatant that he caused the
[51:09.520 -> 51:14.080] yellow flag at exactly the time that would stop Hamilton having an attempt in Q3.
[51:14.320 -> 51:19.080] So yeah, I'm going to say it, all those drivers cheated on purpose, Chris.
[51:19.440 -> 51:24.080] And the only one of those that you listed that got punished was Schumacher.
[51:24.160 -> 51:24.560] Yes.
[51:24.640 -> 51:30.960] Monaco. Well, that was also the most, that was also the most blatant one. You need to at least sacrifice your front wing. If
[51:30.960 -> 51:35.360] you're going to do that, you need to just go nose in at least, don't you? It's a good rule, Summers.
[51:36.960 -> 51:42.480] Am I being too... Do you want to defend the drivers? Go on, tell me. Tell me a driver would never.
[51:43.760 -> 51:49.360] I'm not going to defend anybody, to be perfectly honest, because as we've all just bore witness
[51:49.360 -> 51:55.720] to, I think we can suggest that all of those incidents were drivers pushing things over
[51:55.720 -> 51:57.800] the edge for their own advantage.
[51:57.800 -> 52:02.800] Yeah. We want to live in a moral world, don't we? We want to live in a world that our mothers
[52:02.800 -> 52:08.040] would be proud of. But it's not that, it motorsport where everyone will cheat. The question is Spanners
[52:08.040 -> 52:15.120] would you do it? Would you have done those things? So recently...
[52:15.120 -> 52:20.600] Okay look this is not motorsport but playing Catan with my wife, my 10 year
[52:20.600 -> 52:24.240] old and my 12 year old. You're meant to get rid of half your cards if they roll
[52:24.240 -> 52:26.720] a seven and bring out the robber.
[52:26.720 -> 52:32.280] When a 7 comes up and I'm sat there with a bunch of cards, I keep quiet and I don't say
[52:32.280 -> 52:35.240] a thing until my daughter starts counting everyone's cards.
[52:35.240 -> 52:42.680] So I would say I would probably seek any advantage that wasn't blatant cheating if I could get
[52:42.680 -> 52:43.680] – no, I would cheat.
[52:43.680 -> 52:46.080] Yeah, whatever, I would cheat yeah whatever I would cheat yeah you you helped
[52:46.080 -> 52:52.000] you helped a driver in the f3 cup that we run on iRacing to get pole position last season if I
[52:52.000 -> 52:58.480] remember no ever so correctly I did you can say it was a mistake all year one but there was a very
[52:58.480 -> 53:03.520] good slipstream that he conveniently got I did try and manipulate it so car power would win the
[53:03.520 -> 53:08.100] f3 cup and also I cheated in the indyCar practice that we had yesterday and I completely got away
[53:08.100 -> 53:12.520] with it and no one knew what... Do you know what? I fudged... I'm not gonna go into it,
[53:12.520 -> 53:16.760] it's boring, but I... Yes. I think to answer your question, Summers, I think most of us,
[53:16.760 -> 53:21.600] you get into that high pressure environment and there's an exploit that you know, because
[53:21.600 -> 53:25.680] the drivers, they know when they saw Rosberg's one and the timing of that,
[53:25.680 -> 53:28.640] and they saw Perez's one, they all would have known.
[53:28.640 -> 53:32.080] And they know, oh, that's a... if they'd not already thought of it, you go, yeah, that's
[53:32.080 -> 53:33.080] a great idea.
[53:33.080 -> 53:36.200] All right, Matt, let's move on.
[53:36.200 -> 53:40.440] Have you got any questions that have tickled your mailbag senses?
[53:40.440 -> 53:43.680] Yes, but they're not for me.
[53:43.680 -> 53:44.680] They're for Summers.
[53:44.680 -> 53:45.500] Oh, go on then, go for it.
[53:45.500 -> 53:46.500] Let's have a go on then.
[53:46.500 -> 53:48.420] Let's sneak in some tech.
[53:48.420 -> 53:50.340] And he knows, he knows where I'm going with this.
[53:50.340 -> 53:51.860] Yeah, as long as it's not anything.
[53:51.860 -> 53:53.580] Oh, you're going to talk about flaps, aren't you?
[53:53.580 -> 53:54.940] I knew you were going to make it.
[53:54.940 -> 53:58.460] Tell me I haven't lost my mind and thinking this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever
[53:58.460 -> 53:59.460] seen in my life.
[53:59.460 -> 54:04.740] Are we talking about the spray adjusters?
[54:04.740 -> 54:06.600] As I've decided to name them. Spray adjusters. Yes, that's what I'm talking about the spray adjusters. Oh, spray adjusters. As I've decided to name them.
[54:06.600 -> 54:07.880] Spray adjusters, yes.
[54:07.880 -> 54:09.480] That's what I'm talking about.
[54:09.480 -> 54:10.040] Yes.
[54:10.040 -> 54:12.600] I don't think you've lost your mind.
[54:12.600 -> 54:15.500] I think somebody's collectively lost their mind in terms
[54:15.500 -> 54:19.400] of thinking that this might be a solution that Formula One will
[54:19.400 -> 54:20.000] adopt.
[54:20.000 -> 54:20.720] Wait, wait.
[54:20.720 -> 54:21.360] Sorry, Summers.
[54:21.360 -> 54:22.760] Is there a question, though, Matt?
[54:22.760 -> 54:25.520] I don't want to do down the person who emailed us.
[54:29.760 -> 54:32.080] From T. Tylous, no less, wanting to know the probability of seeing tests. Maybe they'll put it on F2 cars first.
[54:32.080 -> 54:33.360] Will they solve the rain?
[54:33.360 -> 54:34.640] Will they be part of the assembly?
[54:34.640 -> 54:36.080] Will they come on and off of the wheels?
[54:36.080 -> 54:37.920] He had all of the great questions for you.
[54:38.960 -> 54:43.360] Yeah, I mean, I think that we perhaps might see some kind of beta test
[54:44.240 -> 54:45.360] throughout the course of the season, just as we did with the wing mirrors that we're going see some kind of beta test throughout the course of this season,
[54:45.360 -> 54:50.640] just as we did with the wing mirrors that we're going to get for 2023. We've got huge wing mirrors
[54:50.640 -> 54:56.960] coming in compared to what we've had in the past. But this is a bit of a different problem to solve
[54:56.960 -> 55:03.200] and also it doesn't really solve many problems. In fact, it might exacerbate some of them
[55:03.200 -> 55:05.920] and certainly it might disadvantage some teams more of them. And certainly, it might disadvantage
[55:05.920 -> 55:10.360] some teams more than others. And I think that's perhaps where the teams will have a really
[55:10.360 -> 55:14.700] big pushback against something like this. And the other thing that I don't think anybody's
[55:14.700 -> 55:19.420] really maybe thought about in this scenario is the impact that it might have on the tires
[55:19.420 -> 55:26.080] themselves in terms of temperatures and all of that sort of thing. So there's a whole, whole story of things
[55:26.080 -> 55:30.260] that I think potentially might derail this scenario.
[55:31.580 -> 55:34.360] I don't really think it's ever going to happen,
[55:34.360 -> 55:37.600] but at least I suppose to put it out there.
[55:37.600 -> 55:40.120] Matt, would you sponsor a mud guard, a mud flap?
[55:40.120 -> 55:42.440] We could get the M on a mud flap.
[55:42.440 -> 55:44.160] I absolutely would.
[55:44.160 -> 55:46.080] And I guess if I'm the marketing department,
[55:46.080 -> 55:49.920] maybe I'm excited about this because now I've got more room on my car to sell. But
[55:51.040 -> 55:56.880] the thing that struck me when I looked at it is that they are trying to solve the problem of spray
[55:57.920 -> 56:06.080] and visibility when it's full wet condition because of the change in the aerodynamic regulations.
[56:06.080 -> 56:12.120] Now the spray is thrown directly back at the drivers so they can see absolutely
[56:12.120 -> 56:15.800] nothing in conditions where when there was more of I think I guess you would
[56:15.800 -> 56:21.000] call it an outwash kind of aerodynamic regulation set they had a little better
[56:21.000 -> 56:26.960] visibility but the tires aren't in line with where the drivers sit,
[56:27.760 -> 56:32.960] number one. And number two, just if you look at a picture of where the spray is coming from,
[56:32.960 -> 56:37.760] to me it looks like it's the diffuser that's throwing all that water up and back at the
[56:37.760 -> 56:43.280] driver behind. And I'm just curious if you've heard anyone talking about it or had any thoughts
[56:44.240 -> 56:45.440] along those lines yourself.
[56:45.440 -> 56:51.040] Yeah, I mean, again, it's an aerodynamic issue, isn't it? And I think that's perhaps where a
[56:51.040 -> 56:59.200] study needs to be delved into by FOM in advance of that, which I believe that they're undertaking
[56:59.200 -> 57:06.460] at the moment. And then that will obviously breed into something being done from a physical sense as well in
[57:06.460 -> 57:10.060] order to see what happens in real world conditions.
[57:10.060 -> 57:16.280] Because as we've learned this year, or should I say last year now, what the teams expected
[57:16.280 -> 57:21.300] in reality didn't actually pan out in many ways because what we had was porpoising, which
[57:21.300 -> 57:23.180] a lot of the teams didn't expect.
[57:23.180 -> 57:27.460] So there are some things that in doing testing
[57:27.460 -> 57:29.040] from a simulation point of view,
[57:29.040 -> 57:31.620] don't bear out in real life.
[57:31.620 -> 57:34.300] And so I think for us to be able to go down
[57:34.300 -> 57:36.880] this particular route might not just be something
[57:36.880 -> 57:38.140] that can be just turned on.
[57:38.140 -> 57:40.920] It might take a long time to put into place
[57:40.920 -> 57:43.960] and have Formula One and Formula One teams
[57:43.960 -> 57:46.080] got the patience to let that happen.
[57:46.080 -> 57:47.080] Chris?
[57:47.080 -> 57:51.760] There's a really good question from Mike Stoner about what happens if it starts raining mid-race,
[57:51.760 -> 57:56.040] do they have to pit to attach the mudflaps? I think they already addressed this where
[57:56.040 -> 58:04.320] they said this is more of a situation where at the start of the race they'll put it on
[58:04.320 -> 58:06.680] as in before the lights go out,
[58:06.680 -> 58:08.960] whereas it's not something they intend to do mid-race.
[58:08.960 -> 58:11.720] JOEY No, I'm seeing it more like an awning, where
[58:11.720 -> 58:14.880] you have someone come out with one of those little twizzly sticks, and you just go to
[58:14.880 -> 58:18.600] each corner, winding it down, like in a restaurant at the end of the day, Matt.
[58:18.600 -> 58:20.840] ALICE It's like a James Bond thing, you push the
[58:20.840 -> 58:24.800] button, and the thing comes out, and the thing comes back, and then you're good to go.
[58:24.800 -> 58:25.240] JOEY Yeah, go-go gadget flaps. ALICE Exactly. thing you push the button and the thing comes out and the thing comes back and then you're good to go.
[58:25.240 -> 58:26.800] Go go gadget flaps.
[58:26.800 -> 58:27.800] Exactly.
[58:27.800 -> 58:30.680] Okay, that'll kill with that one.
[58:30.680 -> 58:35.280] EJ suggested that maybe, in our live chat by the way, EJ suggested that maybe we just
[58:35.280 -> 58:39.120] don't go to rainy places at rainy times of the year.
[58:39.120 -> 58:42.440] And I can't remember if I said it on this show or somewhere else, but I'm sure there
[58:42.440 -> 58:49.680] was a few years in Formula 1 where we just didn't have any wet races and it was just scheduled that we just seemed
[58:49.680 -> 58:52.200] to match all the seasons to dry periods.
[58:52.200 -> 58:53.760] And there was complaints about that.
[58:53.760 -> 58:55.960] People were complaining there was no wet races.
[58:55.960 -> 59:02.920] In fairness, it absolutely hammered it down in Monaco last year in the middle of May and
[59:02.920 -> 59:05.680] that's, you know, supposed to be sort of early summer,
[59:05.680 -> 59:07.480] so not really a lot you can do there.
[59:07.480 -> 59:11.160] And then Singapore, it has...
[59:11.160 -> 59:15.120] Racing in Singapore and avoiding the wet season is quite difficult because that's, you know,
[59:15.120 -> 59:16.120] 364, 365 days.
[59:16.120 -> 59:17.120] Oh, okay.
[59:17.120 -> 59:18.120] I didn't know that.
[59:18.120 -> 59:19.120] Well, close enough.
[59:19.120 -> 59:20.720] And then I can't remember where else it rained.
[59:20.720 -> 59:21.720] Oh, Japan.
[59:21.720 -> 59:22.720] That was it.
[59:22.720 -> 59:30.320] And I think they did actually move that race forward a little bit, especially after the events of 2014, which was in the middle of typhoon season.
[59:30.320 -> 59:35.840] I love the fact that there is, there's probably a lot of non-British F1 fans that think that
[59:35.840 -> 59:39.600] Northampton and Silverstone is like this sunny paradise.
[59:39.600 -> 59:39.920] Yeah.
[59:39.920 -> 59:44.080] Because they always do the Grand Prix when it's absolutely sweltering. And any time I've
[59:44.080 -> 59:51.920] been to Silverstone for F11 it has been like fully roasting. You didn't obviously go to into the race in 2008
[59:51.920 -> 59:56.000] then did you Spanners? I didn't go to the race. Oh the bog! Was that the famous bog where people
[59:56.000 -> 01:00:01.600] were stuck and people couldn't get out? Oh 2012 as well when pretty much any time there's been
[01:00:01.600 -> 01:00:09.000] a light sprinkling in Northampton that pretty much happens. And then you will need better tires so we're gonna do
[01:00:09.000 -> 01:00:13.280] a tire question Matt. There you go little treat for you probably to end the show
[01:00:13.280 -> 01:00:17.880] with a little tire question for you lot but I'm gonna cruelly put it to Chris
[01:00:17.880 -> 01:00:26.960] first. This is from Anthony Fitzpatrick who says, do you think F1 should go back to 2010 in having two tyre
[01:00:26.960 -> 01:00:33.920] suppliers instead of solely relying on Pirelli? Yeah, so I think they mean 2006 because that was
[01:00:33.920 -> 01:00:40.800] the last time we had two tyre suppliers at the same time. In 2010 we had Bridgestone tyres in
[01:00:40.800 -> 01:00:46.400] 2010 as a sole supplier. Oh, okay, hang on, hang on. We need to do some history of F1 tires here then.
[01:00:46.400 -> 01:00:51.920] So, okay, so there was a tire war for, oh god, what was it, about 20 years?
[01:00:51.920 -> 01:00:55.600] Right, and that was where you had like the Ferraris and a couple of other teams on
[01:00:55.600 -> 01:00:58.640] Bridgestones and everybody else on Michelins.
[01:00:58.640 -> 01:01:00.240] Because they were better, yeah.
[01:01:00.240 -> 01:01:04.720] Well, yeah, but didn't Bridgestone, was Ferrari, wasn't it? So they liked to work solely with
[01:01:04.720 -> 01:01:05.400] Schumacher. And I think to work solely with Schumacher.
[01:01:05.400 -> 01:01:08.800] And I think the consensus is that Schumacher did have this huge
[01:01:08.800 -> 01:01:11.600] tyre advantage because they were really directing everything
[01:01:11.600 -> 01:01:12.100] at his car.
[01:01:12.100 -> 01:01:13.700] Yeah, pretty much.
[01:01:13.700 -> 01:01:14.200] Okay.
[01:01:14.200 -> 01:01:20.000] But I think there is a general across-the-board understanding
[01:01:20.000 -> 01:01:28.600] that the best motorsport tyre supplier is Michelin, because if what you need is a high
[01:01:28.600 -> 01:01:35.880] grip, low wear tyre, then it is the best thing. It's why they're used everywhere in endurance
[01:01:35.880 -> 01:01:36.880] racing.
[01:01:36.880 -> 01:01:42.720] So it's easy for F1 fans to forget that Pirelli, those tyres don't wear out because that's
[01:01:42.720 -> 01:01:45.040] as durable as they can make them. Exactly.
[01:01:45.040 -> 01:01:50.000] Pirelli could easily make a race tire that lasted a thousand laps. They could make go-kart tires
[01:01:50.000 -> 01:01:52.640] that you never change if they were asked to.
[01:01:53.200 -> 01:01:57.600] Exactly. And they do have an endurance racing pedigree, particularly in GTs as well. That's
[01:01:57.600 -> 01:02:08.760] just proof that they can do it. The problem with the tire war is that it is unsustainable in terms of the funding.
[01:02:08.760 -> 01:02:10.420] It created problems.
[01:02:10.420 -> 01:02:16.760] We all remember the events of Indianapolis 2005, which all happened because one tyre
[01:02:16.760 -> 01:02:23.280] manufacturer could not safely complete the race, and the other one said, tough.
[01:02:23.280 -> 01:02:28.800] And going back to your point about the high deg tires, we would have to lose that.
[01:02:28.800 -> 01:02:35.440] Because you would never, ever, ever get two tire manufacturers to achieve the same level
[01:02:35.440 -> 01:02:37.160] of deg and be honest about it.
[01:02:37.160 -> 01:02:40.520] Because one of them will always sneakily make it last a little bit longer, and then the
[01:02:40.520 -> 01:02:44.520] other one will get a little bit longer, and we just end up back where we were in the Bridgestone
[01:02:44.520 -> 01:02:45.680] days where there's no strategy.
[01:02:45.680 -> 01:02:47.920] Matt, do you have any opinions on tires?
[01:02:48.720 -> 01:02:51.200] Oh, you know, not really. They're just round things that go on.
[01:02:51.200 -> 01:02:53.040] Okay, then. Summers? No, go on then, Matt.
[01:02:53.840 -> 01:03:00.080] No, I find myself annoyingly having to agree with Chris. I don't think we are in a regulatory
[01:03:00.080 -> 01:03:05.160] environment where competitive tire manufacturing is going to be helpful to
[01:03:05.160 -> 01:03:10.600] the overall ideal of controlling costs in Formula One. Because after all if I'm
[01:03:10.600 -> 01:03:16.960] Pirelli and let's say Hankook comes in, well now I'm gonna have to spend a lot
[01:03:16.960 -> 01:03:22.080] of money making tires, a lot more developing tires than I would have, and
[01:03:22.080 -> 01:03:29.120] it's also going to be complicated because, like, depending upon which teams buy my tires, now I test for those teams but not with the
[01:03:29.120 -> 01:03:34.520] other teams, and vice versa. So you're going to see, because we all know that tires are
[01:03:34.520 -> 01:03:40.680] the biggest single advantage in terms of getting them to work right, that you can have, you're
[01:03:40.680 -> 01:03:46.320] going to see if someone gets that kind of advantage, they'll be uncatchable throughout the whole course of the season.
[01:03:47.040 -> 01:03:53.760] And right now we have a reasonable degree of parity as far as the tyres go on the cars.
[01:03:53.760 -> 01:03:54.640] Tyre war, Summers?
[01:03:55.520 -> 01:04:06.280] No, thank you. It just wouldn't work. As the aforementioned has proved. The biggest issue is that Pirelli, I think,
[01:04:06.280 -> 01:04:07.880] take a huge amount of flack
[01:04:07.880 -> 01:04:10.680] for what product they provide to Formula One.
[01:04:10.680 -> 01:04:13.420] And yes, we've seen them have issues in the past.
[01:04:13.420 -> 01:04:15.300] However, you also have to remember
[01:04:15.300 -> 01:04:18.120] that a lot of the issues that have been caused in the past
[01:04:18.120 -> 01:04:21.560] have been caused by the teams and they've got away with it.
[01:04:21.560 -> 01:04:26.600] I'm thinking of the Silverstone incident back in 2013 when all the teams were
[01:04:26.600 -> 01:04:32.800] tyre swapping and obviously they shouldn't have been doing that. So no, it's the simple
[01:04:32.800 -> 01:04:38.200] answer. No to a tyre war for me. I think it would be a bad idea for Formula One right
[01:04:38.200 -> 01:04:39.200] now.
[01:04:39.200 -> 01:04:47.200] And it's worth remembering, just reiterating that point, it is their brief to make a tyre that does not
[01:04:47.200 -> 01:04:54.240] last a long time. We want to see two, maybe even three stop races in a Grand Prix. It's
[01:04:54.240 -> 01:04:57.400] what's been asked of them by Formula One.
[01:04:57.400 -> 01:05:02.600] And I think that that gives F1 a level of control over the entertainment. So we do need
[01:05:02.600 -> 01:05:06.880] to say, right, okay, if we had no tyre wear at all,
[01:05:06.880 -> 01:05:11.120] and those tyres could just last forever, which Pirelli could easily do, that would take away
[01:05:11.120 -> 01:05:16.240] a huge element of strategy. So as much as actually some people in our Patreon live chat were saying,
[01:05:16.800 -> 01:05:22.400] when we were talking about push to pass and the DRS solution, you know, where you could choose
[01:05:22.400 -> 01:05:28.040] how much DRS to use, you know, someone came in and said, well, why not have Mario Kart green and red shells as
[01:05:28.040 -> 01:05:31.560] well? So it's seen as a bit of a Mickey Mouse thing, but we're already so used to
[01:05:31.560 -> 01:05:39.160] the tires being able to dictate and add a strategy element. So you can almost go
[01:05:39.160 -> 01:05:41.840] with all that other stuff. If you're going to have this strategy element of
[01:05:41.840 -> 01:05:45.360] tires and deliberately wearing, really, you know,
[01:05:45.360 -> 01:05:52.000] having Joe collapse and shortcuts and DRS whenever you want to open it and push to pass,
[01:05:52.000 -> 01:05:58.080] I think that is all on the table. All those things are a legitimate part of motorsport,
[01:05:58.080 -> 01:06:02.320] but the gut reaction to any of these ideas to increase the entertainment or add strategy
[01:06:02.320 -> 01:06:06.680] elements always gets greeted with, well'll just add Mario Kart shells.
[01:06:06.680 -> 01:06:10.120] When really, motorsport is a sandbox
[01:06:10.120 -> 01:06:11.240] and we can do what we want.
[01:06:11.240 -> 01:06:13.160] And with the Pirelli tyres, Matt,
[01:06:13.160 -> 01:06:15.480] they are able to like,
[01:06:15.480 -> 01:06:17.780] the thing that they probably just need to refine
[01:06:17.780 -> 01:06:20.120] is looking at particular tracks and going, right,
[01:06:20.120 -> 01:06:22.640] if it's Monaco, let's just find a way,
[01:06:22.640 -> 01:06:24.200] let's have a specialist Monaco tyre
[01:06:24.200 -> 01:06:25.280] where they have to make at least three stops at Monaco. let's just find a way, let's have a specialist Monaco tyre where they have to make
[01:06:25.280 -> 01:06:28.720] at least three stops at Monaco. Same with Singapore.
[01:06:29.440 -> 01:06:34.320] Yeah, and these are the kinds of things where if you only have a single manufacturer,
[01:06:35.200 -> 01:06:43.280] can be negotiated with the FIA as you go forward. But the real issue is just
[01:06:44.080 -> 01:06:46.520] getting Pirelli the information they need
[01:06:46.520 -> 01:06:51.560] in terms of the amount of downforce the teams are going to bring in order to design a tire
[01:06:51.560 -> 01:06:56.400] that can run at race car pressures, which is still really a battle that's being fought
[01:06:56.400 -> 01:06:57.400] in a lot of ways.
[01:06:57.400 -> 01:07:02.920] No, I got it completely the wrong way around. Monaco tires should have no grip. Do like
[01:07:02.920 -> 01:07:05.000] a super hard, yeah, you don't ever have to change it,
[01:07:05.000 -> 01:07:07.000] but you cannot get that thing turned.
[01:07:07.000 -> 01:07:10.000] Turn Monaco into basically a boat race.
[01:07:10.000 -> 01:07:11.000] Yes.
[01:07:11.000 -> 01:07:14.000] Well, the problem that you mentioned there,
[01:07:14.000 -> 01:07:19.000] Svan, is normally when tyre manufacturers
[01:07:19.000 -> 01:07:21.000] are looking at outlier circuits,
[01:07:21.000 -> 01:07:24.000] it's usually because they have super high tyre wear
[01:07:24.000 -> 01:07:25.120] and they're
[01:07:25.120 -> 01:07:28.640] having to look at it from a safety point of view. And usually what they do is they just
[01:07:28.640 -> 01:07:33.520] remove the softer compounds from their selection for that particular weekend. It's very rare
[01:07:33.520 -> 01:07:39.000] to have a situation where you're saying there's not enough tire wear or they can control it
[01:07:39.000 -> 01:07:47.080] too well around Monaco and creating a super duper high deg tire specifically for Monaco is going to be
[01:07:47.080 -> 01:07:49.680] an expensive solution to them.
[01:07:49.680 -> 01:07:54.000] Groove tires, groove tires. They already just get the groove tires out of the museums from
[01:07:54.000 -> 01:07:59.480] 2007. No, stop putting your head in your hands, Matt. I think, look, let's look, the problem
[01:07:59.480 -> 01:08:11.440] that F1 faces, one of the biggest problems with all of these things, DRS and tyre wear, is you have the Tilka drones, which are, I'm going to say it, the best F1 tracks for modern F1
[01:08:11.440 -> 01:08:16.920] cars. Some of them are. They are. Bringback, I said it to Uncle Joe, so Bringback, India,
[01:08:16.920 -> 01:08:27.080] Malaysia, Shanghai, the Korean Grand Prix, all those tracks are great tracks, okay, and they suit modern F1 cars. But I don't want to not go to Barcelona,
[01:08:27.080 -> 01:08:30.080] Hongaro, Ring as well,
[01:08:30.080 -> 01:08:32.160] so let's just have, let's have a,
[01:08:33.400 -> 01:08:34.920] Summers, tell me this will work.
[01:08:34.920 -> 01:08:38.240] Let's have a historic track tire and a Tilka drum tire.
[01:08:38.240 -> 01:08:39.680] Get in, well done, Spanners.
[01:08:41.800 -> 01:08:51.400] Yeah, I mean, the problem is that there's so many variables. And obviously, when you come to the teams looking for performance,
[01:08:51.400 -> 01:08:56.240] at the start of the season, they're obviously going to have problems with the tyres and
[01:08:56.240 -> 01:09:01.400] you're going to get better as you go on through the rest of the season. So perhaps there needs
[01:09:01.400 -> 01:09:05.560] to be a mid-season break for Pirelli where they bring in a new set of tyres
[01:09:05.560 -> 01:09:12.400] that works against what the teams have done in the start of the season. They'll obviously argue
[01:09:12.400 -> 01:09:17.560] against that. So Pirelli can actively try and foil the way the teams have, say, got over the tyre wear?
[01:09:17.560 -> 01:09:23.240] Why not? Yeah, I like it. I like it Chris. They already make five different types of tyres,
[01:09:23.240 -> 01:09:30.040] surely this is enough? No, no, I think, look, you watch this space, I guarantee you this idea is going
[01:09:30.040 -> 01:09:32.080] to take off.
[01:09:32.080 -> 01:09:34.440] Tilka drone tire, historic tire.
[01:09:34.440 -> 01:09:38.560] If anyone from the FIA is listening, you better be taking notes.
[01:09:38.560 -> 01:09:40.720] You better take that seriously.
[01:09:40.720 -> 01:09:45.400] All right, I think we have time for one last question. Look, 2023, my
[01:09:45.400 -> 01:09:52.200] New Year's resolution was to stoically stick to our strict 60 minute, one hour time limit,
[01:09:52.200 -> 01:09:58.040] which is why I know, hold your booze, this will have to be the last question. All right,
[01:09:58.040 -> 01:10:08.160] let's go to someone for this last question here. First, when do you think we will see a title fight that does not involve Max, Lewis or Charles
[01:10:08.160 -> 01:10:13.520] Leclerc? Is there any chance of this year being between Sergio Perez, Carlos Sainz and George
[01:10:13.520 -> 01:10:17.920] Russell? And that is from Sarah. Well, I think the biggest problem that you've got with that,
[01:10:17.920 -> 01:10:26.720] Spanners, is the inter-team rivalries and the authority that certain drivers hold within those teams.
[01:10:26.720 -> 01:10:35.120] So I think if Mercedes got in a position where Hamilton and Russell were in a position that
[01:10:35.120 -> 01:10:39.640] Russell could win the championship and it meant that Hamilton had to play the team player,
[01:10:39.640 -> 01:10:41.240] I do think that might work.
[01:10:41.240 -> 01:10:47.120] However, I'm not so sure that you could get Leclerc to play that role for
[01:10:47.120 -> 01:10:53.040] Sainz or you could get Verstappen to play that role. That is interesting. That is interesting.
[01:10:53.040 -> 01:10:57.120] We're going to have to break down that specific point. Chris, we'll roll around to whatever you
[01:10:57.120 -> 01:11:02.720] were going to move that on to next. But which of those drivers that they mentioned first, Max,
[01:11:02.720 -> 01:11:10.000] Lewis, Charles, which one of those would play second fiddle if it came down to it? I do think Lewis Hamilton would play a
[01:11:10.000 -> 01:11:14.960] supporting role if it came down to it. I'm not really sure about that.
[01:11:14.960 -> 01:11:16.400] He has done before.
[01:11:16.400 -> 01:11:18.920] I'm not going to put my house on it, Chris. What do you mean he has done before?
[01:11:18.920 -> 01:11:26.520] No, do you remember in Hungary 2017 when Bottas was trying to have a go, I think it was Raikkonen, and then they
[01:11:26.520 -> 01:11:31.640] said let Lewis have a go and then he couldn't do it on the last lap he let Bottas back through
[01:11:31.640 -> 01:11:37.240] sacrificing points for his own championship fight against Sebastian Vettel. So he has
[01:11:37.240 -> 01:11:38.240] done it.
[01:11:38.240 -> 01:11:40.360] That wasn't for a title though, that was paying back.
[01:11:40.360 -> 01:11:41.360] It was!
[01:11:41.360 -> 01:11:42.360] That was paying back.
[01:11:42.360 -> 01:11:43.360] In 2017 it was.
[01:11:43.360 -> 01:11:50.640] No, no, hang on, no hang on. It wasn't supporting Valtteri Bottas' title push. That was returning a favour as
[01:11:50.640 -> 01:11:56.920] well because hadn't Bottas already given up a place for Hamilton that year? So it would
[01:11:56.920 -> 01:12:02.800] have looked very mean-spirited if he'd have then decided to go, actually, I need the point.
[01:12:02.800 -> 01:12:08.440] But then Lewis has never really lost a title to a teammate other than to Nico Rosberg in
[01:12:08.440 -> 01:12:12.800] 2016, and there was no other competition that year.
[01:12:12.800 -> 01:12:15.880] There were circumstances that year.
[01:12:15.880 -> 01:12:20.000] 2017 there was competition that year, my goodness, have you forgotten 2017?
[01:12:20.000 -> 01:12:21.000] Oh 2016.
[01:12:21.000 -> 01:12:22.680] 16 when Rosberg won it.
[01:12:22.680 -> 01:12:23.680] Oh right, yeah.
[01:12:23.680 -> 01:12:25.560] I don't know.
[01:12:25.560 -> 01:12:30.560] I honestly, I'm not going to bet my house or career or anything on Lewis Hamilton doing
[01:12:30.560 -> 01:12:36.000] that, but I do think that I would, it's more likely that he would, but I can't be sure,
[01:12:36.000 -> 01:12:37.000] Matt.
[01:12:37.000 -> 01:12:38.640] Well, here's what I would say.
[01:12:38.640 -> 01:12:47.400] I think if it is a close run thing, you would get none of those drivers to give up. But I think if for whatever
[01:12:47.400 -> 01:12:52.520] reason the first 10 races of the year Lewis Hamilton doesn't finish because his engine
[01:12:52.520 -> 01:12:57.920] blows up into a fireball, I don't think he'd have a problem supporting Russell. I think
[01:12:57.920 -> 01:13:06.960] similarly, I think you could at a certain points offset, you would get Leclerc to support Sainz.
[01:13:06.960 -> 01:13:08.520] I think he would.
[01:13:08.520 -> 01:13:09.520] I think he would.
[01:13:09.520 -> 01:13:15.680] I think he would be realistic about it, but again, at a certain point offset, you would.
[01:13:15.680 -> 01:13:22.800] I don't think you would ever get Max to support the other driver at Red Bull, even if there
[01:13:22.800 -> 01:13:25.960] was no way he could win, and if he supported him, it was 100% guaranteed the other driver at Red Bull, even if there was no way he could win, and if he supported
[01:13:25.960 -> 01:13:28.800] him, it was 100% guaranteed the other driver would win.
[01:13:28.800 -> 01:13:32.840] If I was Charles Leclerc and I had decided I didn't want to support Sainz's title
[01:13:32.840 -> 01:13:38.960] push and the team had told me to, I would be setting up sentries around my car at night
[01:13:38.960 -> 01:13:44.060] time before race time because there will be a cracked gearbox, there will be a spring
[01:13:44.060 -> 01:13:45.920] and a sprocket going astray.
[01:13:45.920 -> 01:13:50.880] Ferrari would find a way, and they've done it before Matt, they've done this before,
[01:13:50.880 -> 01:13:56.720] Ferrari will find a way to make one driver give them the advantage over the other one.
[01:13:57.600 -> 01:14:02.960] Yeah, I think the problem for the science scenario is that we have new management at Ferrari.
[01:14:02.960 -> 01:14:04.720] Oh yeah, he's Leclerc's Bessie.
[01:14:02.760 -> 01:14:05.000] is that we have new management at Ferrari. Oh yeah, he's Leclerc's bezi.
[01:14:05.000 -> 01:14:08.400] Last year, I could have seen it happening,
[01:14:08.400 -> 01:14:10.080] because I think Bonato would have,
[01:14:10.080 -> 01:14:11.240] if it had been obvious,
[01:14:11.240 -> 01:14:14.080] Sainz was the closest thing they had to a champion,
[01:14:14.080 -> 01:14:16.040] the team would have supported him.
[01:14:16.040 -> 01:14:19.880] I'm not so sure the team will let it get that close
[01:14:19.880 -> 01:14:21.440] this year, if you know what I mean.
[01:14:21.440 -> 01:14:22.680] Chris Stevens.
[01:14:22.680 -> 01:14:27.400] In terms of those three drivers being able to fight for a world championship, I would
[01:14:27.400 -> 01:14:30.840] say Perez, no, science unlikely.
[01:14:30.840 -> 01:14:32.680] Russell, maybe.
[01:14:32.680 -> 01:14:34.680] Jeez, this is savage.
[01:14:34.680 -> 01:14:38.680] It's been nice having you on the show, Chris.
[01:14:38.680 -> 01:14:46.000] But hear the end of my sentence, because I think that before any of those three drivers would fight
[01:14:46.000 -> 01:14:49.360] for a title, Lando Norris would fight for one first.
[01:14:49.360 -> 01:14:55.080] Lando Norris doesn't have... no, Summers, tell him why he's wrong.
[01:14:55.080 -> 01:14:57.960] The gap. Let's just talk about the gap between the top three.
[01:14:57.960 -> 01:15:00.080] But he wouldn't be at McLaren. This is...
[01:15:00.080 -> 01:15:01.080] Ha ha.
[01:15:01.080 -> 01:15:02.080] Ha ha.
[01:15:02.080 -> 01:15:03.240] He would be at Audi.
[01:15:03.240 -> 01:15:07.680] This is a massive caveat you've thrown into the works there, Chris.
[01:15:07.680 -> 01:15:11.280] Yeah, hang on, there's so much that's got to happen.
[01:15:11.280 -> 01:15:13.080] A, that's not happening this season.
[01:15:13.080 -> 01:15:15.400] B, he would have to move to Audi.
[01:15:15.400 -> 01:15:19.960] C, Audi would have to beat Mieksalba, a championship winning team.
[01:15:19.960 -> 01:15:29.680] Well, okay, hang on, I'm just answering the question in the, you know, the next title fight that isn't between those three drivers with Max and Charles and Lewis,
[01:15:29.680 -> 01:15:33.360] which let's be real, is going to be the short-term future of Formula 1.
[01:15:33.360 -> 01:15:34.000] I think so.
[01:15:34.000 -> 01:15:37.280] So the next best thing I think is going to be Landon Norris at Audi.
[01:15:37.280 -> 01:15:40.960] I've got some issues. George Russell, I don't think he's the finished article yet. I don't
[01:15:40.960 -> 01:15:48.240] think he's as fast as Lewis Hamilton on a Sunday. I think George Russell can win a world championship. He's going to bring home world championships that have been
[01:15:48.240 -> 01:15:54.320] won by other drivers in the past. You swap him in for Vettel in 2013 or 2011. I think George
[01:15:54.320 -> 01:15:58.880] Russell's winning the title, and I think Carlos Sainz could win a title as well. I think those
[01:15:58.880 -> 01:16:02.960] are egregious, Matt, and I think your face summed up my feelings.
[01:16:02.960 -> 01:16:08.000] Matthew Feeney Yeah, well, I mean, I think the problem you have there is, is probably about half-ish
[01:16:08.000 -> 01:16:12.680] the grid, that if you gave them that kind of a car advantage, yeah, they could bring
[01:16:12.680 -> 01:16:16.640] home a world championship. But that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking
[01:16:16.640 -> 01:16:22.960] about will we see the second drivers in the top three teams, any one of them actually
[01:16:22.960 -> 01:16:25.040] win a title. The last time we saw that was
[01:16:25.040 -> 01:16:31.520] Rosberg in 16. So, no, I don't think it's very likely, unfortunately, that we'll see
[01:16:31.520 -> 01:16:33.840] any of them seriously contending for it.
[01:16:33.840 -> 01:16:48.080] Okay, well here's, I can give you a recent example of, let's say the Red Bull side of this this debate 2008 featured the best Grand Prix car in history the
[01:16:48.080 -> 01:16:54.080] Ferrari 2008 best Grand Prix car that's ever been made really to get are being
[01:16:54.080 -> 01:16:59.080] made if you're listening to get Felipe Massa that close to being world champion
[01:16:59.080 -> 01:17:07.720] that was the best car that has been ever produced and for Lewis Hamilton to get just past him,
[01:17:07.720 -> 01:17:14.320] to pip him on the line when Timo Glock deliberately let him pass to steal Massa's World Championship.
[01:17:14.320 -> 01:17:18.960] But that was a situation I think that you could realistically see at Red Bull because
[01:17:18.960 -> 01:17:31.200] remember Raikkonen was the World Championship driver at that Ferrari team in 2008 and he supported and actively supported Felipe Massa. How many races do you think
[01:17:31.200 -> 01:17:36.200] Verstappen would have to retire from and have Perez win in a dominant Red Bull
[01:17:36.200 -> 01:17:40.360] car before Verstappen turned around and said I'm supporting Perez's World
[01:17:40.360 -> 01:17:45.500] Championship bid? More than Lewis retired from in 2016, that's for sure.
[01:17:45.500 -> 01:17:50.000] Can I also just reiterate for anyone, right,
[01:17:50.000 -> 01:17:52.500] that when Spanner says Glock deliberately slowed down,
[01:17:52.500 -> 01:17:57.500] because they posted that clip on the F1 Instagram, like, this week,
[01:17:57.500 -> 01:18:01.500] and their comments were filled with garbage like that!
[01:18:01.500 -> 01:18:03.000] He is joking.
[01:18:03.000 -> 01:18:09.280] No, no, I'm joking. No, no, no. To be clear, like, go andwatch that. And there's the onboards from, from Glock. And you can just see that the second they
[01:18:09.280 -> 01:18:15.200] made the decision not to pit and stay on dry tires, you could see how much both of those cars
[01:18:15.200 -> 01:18:19.840] in that team, which team was it? Toyota? It was Toyota. You can see how much both of them were
[01:18:19.840 -> 01:18:25.200] just struggling the whole lap. It would, um, that would have been 4D chess to work out and go,
[01:18:25.200 -> 01:18:26.480] all right, well, on the last lap,
[01:18:26.480 -> 01:18:28.400] Hamilton's gonna come through.
[01:18:28.400 -> 01:18:30.600] And actually, it's worth going back and watching that race
[01:18:30.600 -> 01:18:35.360] because all the commentary, I think, including Ferrari,
[01:18:35.360 -> 01:18:39.040] they were all watching Vettel in front of Hamilton.
[01:18:39.040 -> 01:18:41.760] And this is why Ferrari celebrated
[01:18:41.760 -> 01:18:43.480] at thinking Massa had won,
[01:18:43.480 -> 01:18:45.120] because Hamilton didn't overtake
[01:18:45.120 -> 01:18:49.880] Vettel. He needed to overtake Vettel to finish 5th. And as they were crossing the line, Hamilton
[01:18:49.880 -> 01:18:56.080] was behind Vettel. Ferrari start celebrating going absolutely nuts, not realising that
[01:18:56.080 -> 01:19:01.120] they had both overtaken a Toyota, which could reasonably have been being lapped in that
[01:19:01.120 -> 01:19:04.120] era. You could reasonably have gone, oh, they just passed a lapped car.
[01:19:04.120 -> 01:19:09.440] What if he was so much slower that it did look like a lapped in that era. You could reasonably have gone, oh they just passed a lapped car. He was so much slower that it did look like a lapped car. You wouldn't have thought anything
[01:19:09.440 -> 01:19:13.600] of it. Sorry, yeah, I was joking. I forget that needs clarifying. I do beg your pardon.
[01:19:13.600 -> 01:19:18.320] But answer the question. Okay, there you go. Let's go to Samiz. What would it take for
[01:19:18.320 -> 01:19:23.760] Verstappen to support a Perez title push? I think you've already covered it really.
[01:19:23.760 -> 01:19:26.160] I'm glad I threw a load of E10 fuel on the
[01:19:26.160 -> 01:19:33.660] start of this conversation anyway. But yeah, I think it would really need Perez to have
[01:19:33.660 -> 01:19:39.200] performed beyond the limit we've seen from him before, and it would require Verstappen
[01:19:39.200 -> 01:19:49.800] to basically have had 10 failures. Oh, okay. But look at 2009, where you had Barrichello and Button. You could probably
[01:19:49.800 -> 01:19:54.800] argue Barrichello's towards the end of his career, Button probably overall on talent.
[01:19:54.800 -> 01:19:58.880] But that could have been a couple of engine failures from Button, and that could have
[01:19:58.880 -> 01:20:02.680] been Barrichello winning the first six races. So you can get a situation like that.
[01:20:02.680 -> 01:20:06.880] Yeah, it's more than possible. And but the momentum shift, I
[01:20:06.880 -> 01:20:10.320] think in the mid season from from the Verstappen camp might
[01:20:10.360 -> 01:20:14.000] overwhelm what has already happened in those, you know, the
[01:20:14.040 -> 01:20:17.440] early scenario of what you've just come up with. So I don't
[01:20:17.440 -> 01:20:20.920] think it would be so much set in stone until it was basically
[01:20:21.240 -> 01:20:25.200] irreversible. You know, you got to be at an irreversible point
[01:20:25.200 -> 01:20:26.860] in the championship.
[01:20:26.860 -> 01:20:29.540] Basically, if you're at the point where Perez retires
[01:20:29.540 -> 01:20:32.160] every race at the end of the season and still wins,
[01:20:32.160 -> 01:20:34.440] then I think Mack supports him.
[01:20:34.440 -> 01:20:37.440] I mean, it's so much harder to get into that situation now
[01:20:37.440 -> 01:20:39.760] because there are so many more races than there were
[01:20:39.760 -> 01:20:42.520] back then, and there is a much bigger difference
[01:20:42.520 -> 01:20:44.960] between the points between first and second now,
[01:20:44.960 -> 01:20:49.400] like back in that 09 era you, you were talking about Spanners, like a win was actually
[01:20:49.400 -> 01:20:53.560] worth very little. It was only two more points than second place was. And I think, you know,
[01:20:53.560 -> 01:21:00.320] for Perez, he would need to be on the same form he was in, in, in, in Saudi Arabia, um,
[01:21:00.320 -> 01:21:06.640] in 2022, where he was on pole position and was leading the early stages of the race,
[01:21:06.640 -> 01:21:11.040] got unlucky with the safety car timing, which is what cost him the race. Really,
[01:21:11.040 -> 01:21:16.480] you would need him to be in that form for the entire season, and I don't see that happening.
[01:21:16.480 -> 01:21:19.600] Chris I have a question, though. Do you think this
[01:21:19.600 -> 01:21:27.120] is a Perez-specific thing with Verstappen? Do you think if it was a different driver at Red Bull, like, I don't know, maybe some
[01:21:27.120 -> 01:21:32.480] Australian whose name I can't remember right now, do you think he might be more willing?
[01:21:32.480 -> 01:21:33.840] It seems personal, doesn't it?
[01:21:33.840 -> 01:21:37.880] It does seem like there's some beef between Verstappen and Perez.
[01:21:37.880 -> 01:21:43.200] And I think conspiracy theories, if you want, yeah, let's do it.
[01:21:43.200 -> 01:21:45.520] Perez started the season too well in
[01:21:45.520 -> 01:21:50.000] 2022, because he was looking really strong. He was looking quite strong in Barcelona,
[01:21:50.000 -> 01:21:55.360] could arguably have held off Verstappen, or at least attempted to, but he got ordered
[01:21:55.360 -> 01:22:02.960] to let it go by. He wins in Monaco with the help of that Q3 accidental spin, and was looking
[01:22:02.960 -> 01:22:07.600] genuinely on it, and then his form disappeared to such an extent
[01:22:08.240 -> 01:22:13.600] that you could mistake that for a Ferrari team dynamic.
[01:22:13.600 -> 01:22:19.360] So the car was more suited to him in the early stages of the season, undeniably.
[01:22:19.360 -> 01:22:20.880] That's not exciting.
[01:22:20.880 -> 01:22:25.520] The way the development went, it really went against Perez's driving because
[01:22:25.520 -> 01:22:32.640] I think what they were aiming for was allowing Max to do his thing. But that's back to Summer's
[01:22:32.640 -> 01:22:38.160] point where you're saying the management has a preference for one driver or another.
[01:22:38.160 -> 01:22:45.040] I don't think that Red Bull is team Verstappen. I think it's suiting them right now, but I think Verstappen can... Red Bull
[01:22:45.040 -> 01:22:51.440] can turn that tap on and off. They can elect another. They can have another champion the
[01:22:51.440 -> 01:22:56.640] same way that Ferrari just dumped Vettel, you know? Yeah, but I think we'll get an answer to
[01:22:56.640 -> 01:23:02.720] Matt's question when Red Bull inevitably pluck Daniel Ricciardo from the third driver role...
[01:23:02.720 -> 01:23:05.180] Don't do it, don't do that, Matt. ... and promote him to the race seat midway through the season.
[01:23:05.180 -> 01:23:06.180] Don't do it, don't do that, Matt.
[01:23:06.180 -> 01:23:07.180] Don't do this, don't.
[01:23:07.180 -> 01:23:08.180] No.
[01:23:08.180 -> 01:23:09.180] Okay, I can see it.
[01:23:09.180 -> 01:23:10.180] He doesn't like it.
[01:23:10.180 -> 01:23:11.180] I can see it.
[01:23:11.180 -> 01:23:12.180] I can see that happening.
[01:23:12.180 -> 01:23:13.180] Anyway, that was an absolutely great question.
[01:23:13.180 -> 01:23:15.120] Thank you for all your mailbag questions.
[01:23:15.120 -> 01:23:19.520] 2023, I want a lot more, um, listener and viewer interaction.
[01:23:19.520 -> 01:23:22.600] We're definitely going to push ahead with some of our call-in shows.
[01:23:22.600 -> 01:23:25.560] I think the mailbag shows have proven to be
[01:23:25.560 -> 01:23:30.480] a staple. You guys are absolutely fantastic with coming up with questions and topics,
[01:23:30.480 -> 01:23:35.680] take us in a direction we wouldn't normally have naturally considered or thought of. We
[01:23:35.680 -> 01:23:40.400] are looking, obviously, to do our normal race reviews and we are taking a serious look at
[01:23:40.400 -> 01:23:46.080] doing some short race previews as well. Please go and check us out on our TikTok channel,
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[01:23:47.800 -> 01:23:50.080] Chris, how do you go to a TikTok?
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[01:24:01.720 -> 01:24:03.120] oh God, what are they called?
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[01:24:04.120 -> 01:24:04.920] Magnifying glass.
[01:24:04.920 -> 01:24:05.200] Magnifying glass.
[01:24:05.200 -> 01:24:06.200] Magnifying glass, yeah.
[01:24:06.200 -> 01:24:09.160] Why is that the symbol for searching?
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[01:24:23.600 -> 01:24:29.440] Summers, you're probably the best one on this show. Normally I'm the best one, but you're like a proper journalist. You've
[01:24:29.440 -> 01:24:34.480] got prestige. You've got 40,000 followers on Twitter or something. How many have you got?
[01:24:34.480 -> 01:24:36.240] I don't know, something like 30,000.
[01:24:36.240 -> 01:24:38.880] Wow, that's so many. You're a massive deal.
[01:24:40.320 -> 01:24:41.040] I didn't buy any of them.
[01:24:41.040 -> 01:24:44.640] You didn't buy any of them. Hardly any. I've hardly bought any. Let's give you a few more.
[01:24:44.640 -> 01:24:45.800] It's at Summers few more. It's at summersf1.
[01:24:45.800 -> 01:24:46.800] It is.
[01:24:46.800 -> 01:24:47.800] On there, on Twitter.
[01:24:47.800 -> 01:24:50.600] And we will have some links to some articles.
[01:24:50.600 -> 01:24:52.800] And where do you post your golf content?
[01:24:52.800 -> 01:24:54.720] Oh, there's a YouTube channel.
[01:24:54.720 -> 01:24:57.200] You know, you can search for Summers Golf and you'll find that sort of thing.
[01:24:57.200 -> 01:24:58.400] Should we link to Summers Golf, Matt?
[01:24:58.400 -> 01:24:59.400] Should we do it?
[01:24:59.400 -> 01:25:00.400] Summers Golf?
[01:25:00.400 -> 01:25:05.000] Yes, we should, because you know, missed fairway podcast is just around the corner.
[01:25:09.560 -> 01:25:12.600] You can follow Matt Trumpets at MattPT55 and you can follow little Chris, little baby Chris at Chris on racing on Twitter.
[01:25:13.120 -> 01:25:17.780] And I would also like to say that this Saturday is the fourth round of the
[01:25:17.780 -> 01:25:22.040] Myst Apex iRacing F3 Cup, go and subscribe to the Myst Apex Motorsport
[01:25:22.160 -> 01:25:24.000] YouTube channel for that.
[01:25:24.280 -> 01:25:26.960] And I'm going to do Brad a favour here
[01:25:26.960 -> 01:25:31.040] and also say that the British Rental Car Championship is the following weekend,
[01:25:31.040 -> 01:25:36.400] which he is like the big boss of, and that's gonna be on their YouTube channel as well.
[01:25:36.400 -> 01:25:39.440] Okay, but Matt, don't link to that, just link to our Missed Apex.
[01:25:39.440 -> 01:25:43.440] Yes, honestly, go and subscribe to the YouTube Missed Apex Motorsport,
[01:25:43.440 -> 01:25:48.640] and you can see if I can put my money where my mouth is in every sim race.
[01:25:48.640 -> 01:25:51.920] And if Matt can, spoiler, neither of us can,
[01:25:51.920 -> 01:25:54.160] but there is a lot of the Missed Apex crew racing in that.
[01:25:54.160 -> 01:25:55.880] Great commentary from Chris and Uncle Steve
[01:25:55.880 -> 01:25:58.800] puts together a really entertaining broadcast.
[01:25:58.800 -> 01:26:03.800] And that'll be Saturday around 8 p.m. UK time.
[01:26:03.920 -> 01:26:07.840] And you can follow me as well on Twitter, I'm the second best one today
[01:26:07.840 -> 01:26:13.440] at SpannersReady on Twitter and SpannersF1 on TikTok and Instagram and all that kind of stuff.
[01:26:13.440 -> 01:26:18.800] We will see you, I believe, for another live stream next Sunday, but until then, work hard.
[01:26:18.800 -> 01:26:21.280] Oh, we've gone jazzy.
[01:26:21.280 -> 01:26:23.600] Made a mistake.
[01:26:23.600 -> 01:26:27.880] Well, this is the way it's going to go now. We're ending the show with jazz.
[01:26:28.500 -> 01:26:30.500] Is this you, Matt, playing?
[01:26:31.240 -> 01:26:34.440] I do not play guitar, but yes, this is the group that I played in.
[01:26:35.400 -> 01:26:38.280] Just let this roll out for a little while until we see you next.
[01:26:39.120 -> 01:26:40.640] Work hard,
[01:26:40.640 -> 01:26:46.960] be kind, and have fun with your valentine.
[01:26:46.960 -> 01:26:49.560] This was Missed Apex.
[01:26:49.560 -> 01:26:53.600] Have we got the copyright to this?
[01:26:53.600 -> 01:26:58.760] Well, I mean, I recorded it, so I'm not going to sue you for it.
[01:26:58.760 -> 01:27:00.440] Okay, but we might get sued.
[01:27:00.440 -> 01:27:03.800] Whether ASCAP or BMI come after you, that's a different story.
[01:27:03.800 -> 01:27:09.000] This really doesn't suit the graphics that are on the screen of a fast-paced motor car.
[01:27:11.000 -> 01:27:12.000] I guess we roll with it.
[01:27:14.000 -> 01:27:15.000] Just see how long people listen for.
[01:27:15.000 -> 01:27:17.000] This is a pretty groovy version, if I do say so myself.
[01:27:17.000 -> 01:27:22.000] It will be interesting to watch the podcast stats and see, I can see when people drop off.
[01:27:24.000 -> 01:27:26.000] It might even increase at this point.
[01:27:30.000 -> 01:27:32.000] I'm just into it now. Chris, you into it?
[01:27:32.000 -> 01:27:34.000] I love jazz music.
[01:27:34.000 -> 01:27:36.000] I really wanted to book a, um,
[01:27:36.000 -> 01:27:38.000] a place, like a jazz bar
[01:27:38.000 -> 01:27:40.000] for my birthday last year.
[01:27:40.000 -> 01:27:42.000] We can make that happen this year.
[01:27:42.000 -> 01:27:44.000] Well, I've had a lot of plans for my birthday, but it's
[01:27:44.000 -> 01:27:47.920] I'll be away my birthday weekend. I'll give you my birthday this year? Well I've had a lot of plans for my birthday but it's I'll be away my birthday weekend. I'll give you my birthday this year.
[01:27:47.920 -> 01:27:53.600] I'll be at an event that hopefully soon I'll be able to talk about.
[01:27:53.600 -> 01:27:59.640] But I'm a 42 year old man whose children never care about my birthday so you can
[01:27:59.640 -> 01:28:04.040] have mine if you want. Ah, that'd be nice. Summers, how old are you on your next
[01:28:04.040 -> 01:28:06.640] birthday? I will be the same age as you.
[01:28:06.640 -> 01:28:07.640] Are we the same age?
[01:28:07.640 -> 01:28:08.640] We are.
[01:28:08.640 -> 01:28:10.960] I look so much better than you do though.
[01:28:10.960 -> 01:28:16.040] I thought for a second you were gonna say the same age I was five years ago.
[01:28:16.040 -> 01:28:21.040] No, honestly, you look like- like- like death is approaching fast.
[01:28:21.040 -> 01:28:25.000] I look like a spring buck in my first throws of youth.
[01:28:25.000 -> 01:28:26.000] Are you really?
[01:28:26.000 -> 01:28:27.000] We're the same age.
[01:28:27.000 -> 01:28:28.000] You're 40.
[01:28:28.000 -> 01:28:29.000] You're going to be 43 next.
[01:28:29.000 -> 01:28:30.000] Okay.
[01:28:30.000 -> 01:28:31.000] Do you want that birthday or do you want to give that to Chris?
[01:28:31.000 -> 01:28:33.000] I can give mine to Chris as well.
[01:28:33.000 -> 01:28:34.000] Oh, yeah.
[01:28:34.000 -> 01:28:37.000] You've got three birthdays this year, Chris.
[01:28:37.000 -> 01:28:39.000] One of them can be at a jazz bar.
[01:28:41.000 -> 01:28:46.040] My birthday weekend is always the Indy 500 and the Monaco Grand Prix weekend.
[01:28:46.040 -> 01:28:47.920] There's no more F1 content coming by the way.
[01:28:47.920 -> 01:28:49.120] I just got into a thing.
[01:28:49.120 -> 01:28:50.440] I really need to end it.
[01:28:50.440 -> 01:28:52.680] There's no easy way to end it now we're in this.
[01:28:52.680 -> 01:28:53.680] Is this still the show?
[01:28:53.680 -> 01:28:54.680] This is still the show!
[01:28:54.680 -> 01:28:55.680] Oh god.
[01:28:55.680 -> 01:28:56.680] It's just a vibe now.
[01:28:56.680 -> 01:28:57.680] Yeah.
[01:28:57.680 -> 01:28:59.360] It's um, it's not a show anymore.
[01:28:59.360 -> 01:29:00.360] It's a place.
[01:29:00.360 -> 01:29:01.360] It's a feeling.
[01:29:01.360 -> 01:29:02.360] It's um.
[01:29:02.360 -> 01:29:06.000] Isn't it more of just like an idea? It's a concept, yeah. It's a feeling. Isn't it more of just like an idea?
[01:29:06.000 -> 01:29:07.000] It's a concept, yeah.
[01:29:07.000 -> 01:29:09.000] It's a concept!
[01:29:09.000 -> 01:29:11.000] Some of the live chat have turned it up.
[01:29:11.000 -> 01:29:13.000] They're saying this is the best content in years.
[01:29:13.000 -> 01:29:14.000] Not!
[01:29:14.000 -> 01:29:16.000] It's irrelevant.
[01:29:16.000 -> 01:29:19.000] This is the last silly thing we're going to do in 2023.
[01:29:19.000 -> 01:29:23.000] From here on in, Chris, all mega serious.
[01:29:23.000 -> 01:29:37.160] Tight. Compact. Built for social media. Algorithms. on
[01:29:37.160 -> 01:29:45.920] the road. I'm gonna have to play, there's no other way to get out of this except to play the proper funky music.
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[01:30:49.200 -> 01:30:50.780] do up till eight o'clock at night.
[01:30:50.880 -> 01:30:52.500] I'll never go to a doctor unless I'm
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[01:30:57.460 -> 01:30:58.720] Yeah, you kind of work dirty.
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