Monaco Preview and F1 Academy

Spanners and Trumpets are joined by Mike Caulfield to discuss what strategy to look out for in Monaco and Antonia Rankin to talk about the new FIA series, F1 Academy

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## **Missed Apex Podcast: Strategy, Monaco, and the F1 Academy**

**Summary:**

* **Strategy at Monaco:**
* Monaco is a one-stop race due to the difficulty of overtaking.
* The main strategic considerations are pit stop timing and safety car decisions.
* Red flags can also play a significant role in the outcome of the race.

* **Challenges for strategists at Monaco:**
* The lack of overtaking opportunities makes it difficult to make up lost positions.
* The tight confines of the pit lane make pit stops more challenging.
* The lack of track time during practice sessions limits opportunities for pit stop practice.

* **Virtual safety car:**
* The virtual safety car is the most challenging situation for strategists to deal with.
* It is difficult to calculate where a driver under the virtual safety car will be relative to a driver making a pit stop.
* This is especially true at Monaco, where GPS is poor and positions are not always accurate.

* **Qualifying at Monaco:**
* Qualifying is particularly important at Monaco due to the difficulty of overtaking.
* Teams try to send their cars out as early as possible to get a good outlap and avoid traffic.
* There is also a risk of yellow flags or car parts on track during qualifying.

**Additional Insights:**

* **Car size and speed:**
* Reducing the size and weight of Formula 1 cars could make them slower and more competitive.
* This would also make it easier to race on classic tracks and reintroduce groove tires.
* However, there are technical and safety challenges to overcome.

* **Active aero:**
* Active aero is being considered as a way to improve the performance of Formula 1 cars.
* However, it is a complex and expensive technology that could make racing less competitive.

* **F1 Academy:**
* The F1 Academy is a new all-female racing series that aims to develop female drivers for Formula 1.
* The series will feature five teams and 15 drivers competing in identical cars.
* The goal is to provide a clear pathway for female drivers to reach Formula 1.

**Overall Message:**

Formula 1 is a complex and challenging sport that requires a combination of skill, strategy, and technology. The Monaco Grand Prix is a particularly challenging race for strategists due to the limited overtaking opportunities and the importance of safety car decisions. The F1 Academy is a positive step towards increasing diversity and inclusion in Formula 1. # **Missed Apex Podcast: Monaco Predictions and F1 Academy Discussion**

## **Monaco Strategy Insights:**
- Monaco is a challenging circuit for strategy due to its narrow, winding layout and lack of overtaking opportunities.
- Qualifying is crucial, as track position is vital for race success.
- Teams often aim for two runs in Q1 to secure a bank and then focus on getting a fast lap in at the end of the session.
- Race engineers, strategists, and chief race engineers collaborate to determine the best strategy for the race.

## **Intriguing Strategy Options:**
- Parking the car in inconvenient locations, such as Turn 1 or Turn 5, can create yellow flags and disrupt the race.
- Late safety car periods can lead to unexpected strategy calls, as teams may need to adjust their pit stop plans.

## **Mercedes Update at Monaco:**
- Mercedes' planned update for the Monaco Grand Prix has been delayed due to production issues.
- The update is expected to be a significant change, potentially involving a major chassis alteration.
- The team is limited to two new chassis for the weekend, and they cannot revert to the old package.
- The update is seen as a risk, as it may not perform well on the unique Monaco circuit.

## **Upsides of the Update at Monaco:**
- The update may offer advantages in terms of downforce and suspension performance.
- It can provide insights into the overall performance of the new package relative to Red Bull.
- The update serves as a shakedown to check for any potential issues.

## **F1 Academy Discussion:**
- F1 Academy is a new initiative aimed at promoting women in motorsport and providing a pathway to Formula One.
- The series features modified Formula 4 cars with adjustable suspension, making it a learning platform for drivers.
- The age limit for F1 Academy is 16 to 25, and it is seen as a feeder series to Formula 3 and Formula 2.
- The series aims to provide women with the opportunity to showcase their abilities, gain experience, and make connections within the Formula One paddock.
- The visibility of F1 Academy has been limited so far, with races being commentated and filmed but not broadcast widely.
- The series is expected to join the Formula One calendar next season, providing greater exposure and opportunities for the drivers. ## Podcast Transcript Summary

### F1 Academy and Its Significance

- F1 Academy is a new initiative by Formula One that aims to promote and support women in motorsport.
- The series features 15 female drivers competing in identical cars, providing them with an opportunity to showcase their skills and progress through the ranks of Formula racing.
- The initiative is fully integrated with the larger Formula One entity, ensuring a higher level of support and stability compared to previous women-only series like W Series.
- The lack of live broadcasting for F1 Academy has drawn mixed reactions. Some view it as a protective measure to shield the drivers from excessive scrutiny and pressure, while others see it as a missed opportunity for exposure and fan engagement.

### Challenges and Barriers for Women in Motorsport

- Women face numerous challenges and barriers in motorsport, including societal stigmas, lack of acceptance, and physical limitations due to car designs tailored towards men.
- The inherent strength requirements for operating Formula cars can be particularly daunting for younger women who may not have had the same opportunities for physical development as their male counterparts.
- There is a need for motorsport to consider design changes that make cars more accessible to women, such as adjustable steering wheels and seats that accommodate a wider range of body types.
- The lack of female role models in Formula One and other high-profile racing series can also discourage young girls from pursuing careers in motorsport.

### The Future of Women in Formula One

- The long-term goal of F1 Academy is to see women competing in Formula One.
- There is a recognition that this will take time and effort, as the current pool of women interested in motorsport is relatively small.
- F1 Academy provides a platform for these drivers to gain experience and develop their skills, with the hope that they can eventually progress to higher levels of competition.
- The success of F1 Academy and the integration of women into Formula One will depend on a collective effort to address societal biases, promote inclusivity, and make the sport more accessible to women.

### Addressing Misogyny in Motorsport

- The podcast discusses the prevalence of misogyny in motorsport, particularly in online comments and discussions.
- Antonia Rankin, a female motorsport content creator, shares some of the offensive and derogatory comments she has received on social media.
- The hosts acknowledge the harmful effects of misogyny on women's participation and enjoyment of motorsport.
- They emphasize the need for education, awareness, and a collective effort to challenge and eradicate misogyny from the sport. # Missed Apex Podcast Episode Summary:

## Main Points:
- The podcast discusses the importance of increasing female participation in motorsports, particularly in Formula One.
- The hosts highlight the need to address the underlying societal issues that contribute to gender inequality in the sport.
- They emphasize the significance of supporting initiatives like F1 Academy and W Series, which aim to create opportunities for women in racing.
- The podcast also touches on the upcoming Monaco Grand Prix and the strategies teams might employ on the challenging street circuit.

## Detailed Summary:

### Addressing Gender Inequality in Motorsports:
- The hosts discuss the challenges faced by women in motorsports, including societal biases, lack of opportunities, and online harassment.
- They emphasize the need for a cultural shift to eliminate these barriers and promote inclusivity in the sport.
- Antonia Rankin, a TikTok creator and advocate for women in motorsports, shares her experiences with online abuse and the importance of challenging misogyny.

### F1 Academy and W Series:
- The podcast highlights the significance of initiatives like F1 Academy and W Series in providing a platform for women racers to showcase their talent.
- The hosts discuss the potential of these series to inspire young girls and break down stereotypes surrounding female participation in motorsports.
- They emphasize the need for continued support and investment in these initiatives to ensure their long-term success.

### Monaco Grand Prix Strategy:
- The hosts preview the upcoming Monaco Grand Prix and discuss the unique challenges of the street circuit.
- They analyze the strengths and weaknesses of different teams and drivers on the tight and twisty layout.
- Mike Caulfield, a Formula One journalist, provides insights into the strategies teams might employ to maximize their performance in Monaco.

### Conclusion:
- The podcast reinforces the importance of addressing gender inequality in motorsports and supporting initiatives that promote inclusivity.
- The hosts emphasize the need for a collective effort to create a more welcoming and diverse environment for women in the sport.
- They also express excitement for the Monaco Grand Prix and anticipate a thrilling race on the iconic street circuit.

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[00:55.760 -> 01:08.520] fantasy sports made easy. You are listening to missed apex podcast we live f1
[01:19.920 -> 01:24.400] Welcome to missed apex podcast. I'm your host Richard ready this week
[01:24.400 -> 01:25.520] We've got a midweek
[01:25.520 -> 01:31.280] buffet of topics for you. We'll be catching up with ex-Haas and Mercedes strategist Mike Caulfield
[01:31.280 -> 01:37.760] to chat strategy and F1 news and to look forward to Monaco. We'll also discover with Antonio Rankin
[01:37.760 -> 01:47.040] what's happening with the latest F1 series, the F1 Academy. Also Matt will be here, he's back which means it's back to being grown up.
[01:47.600 -> 01:53.120] Sunday's show was very silly indeed. But the the show before that with Kyle got some really good
[01:53.120 -> 01:59.040] feedback. Juan Portela says, really enjoyed the reaction chat show with only one guest. Nice
[01:59.040 -> 02:10.240] variety from the usual format, great one-on-one energy with the back and forth. Don't be afraid to sprinkle these in. We won't be. It is one of our aims for this season. There's a busy WhatsApp
[02:10.240 -> 02:15.360] chat that we have. If someone comes into that with a specific topic or a point, I'm going to try and
[02:15.360 -> 02:20.240] grab them, be a bit more versatile, and try and bring you interesting and sometimes a little bit
[02:20.240 -> 02:25.600] more time-relevant content. But we're still an independent podcast produced in the podcasting
[02:25.600 -> 02:29.440] shed with the kind permission of our better halves we aim to bring you a race review before
[02:29.440 -> 02:33.200] your monday morning commute we might be wrong but we're first
[02:38.560 -> 02:47.040] so as promised we are joined by someone who has been at the helm on the pit wall in the war room of Haas
[02:47.040 -> 02:54.160] and Mercedes. We've got Mike Caulfield joining us. Hey Mike. Hi, good to be back. And as I also said,
[02:54.160 -> 02:57.760] Matt Trumpets is here because we couldn't be trusted without adult supervision.
[02:58.640 -> 03:04.000] That's not my fault, but I'm just going to say the word pontoons and we'll go from there. Well,
[03:04.000 -> 03:05.000] it's definitely not your fault.
[03:05.000 -> 03:08.100] It was specifically Alex and Christian's fault, but never mind.
[03:08.100 -> 03:12.900] We are going to look at the specific challenges around the Monaco Grand Prix.
[03:12.900 -> 03:16.700] But Mike, because we always go to you specifically for strategy stuff,
[03:16.700 -> 03:22.600] I want to sort of dive in and get your opinions on some more general Formula 1 stuff as well, if that's okay.
[03:22.600 -> 03:24.400] Yeah, not a problem.
[03:24.400 -> 03:26.640] Yeah. general Formula One stuff as well, if that's okay? Yeah, not a problem, yeah. No, I hope I can
[03:27.280 -> 03:31.760] offer a good insight on other things apart from strategy. The problem is, with experts,
[03:31.760 -> 03:37.520] I'll ask you something random, like engines, which I'm going to later, and your reaction will be,
[03:37.520 -> 03:42.720] well, I'm not specifically an expert at that, therefore I don't want to dive into it, but don't
[03:42.720 -> 03:45.360] be afraid. It's not Sky, we can just
[03:45.360 -> 03:50.000] wildly speculate. And if we get emails that point out that you're wrong, we just quietly
[03:50.000 -> 03:55.520] shuffle them to the trash pile. That sounds good to me. I mean, I'm wrong
[03:55.520 -> 03:59.840] about most things anyway, so that's fine. Okay, well I'm correct about this. I tweeted
[03:59.840 -> 04:06.960] this earlier. I said, F1 cars, F1, the organisation, makes the F1 cars slower. Engineers make the
[04:06.960 -> 04:12.060] car faster and that's the game, that's always been the game, but that seems to have been
[04:12.060 -> 04:17.360] abandoned in the last few regulation sets. So what I'm hoping is that the 2026 regulations
[04:17.360 -> 04:23.760] are just a huge nerf, that they tear big chunks of the wing away, they spec huge chunks of
[04:23.760 -> 04:25.240] the aero in the car, they really
[04:25.240 -> 04:31.040] slow them down, slim them down, get the classic tracks working again, and of course reintroduce
[04:31.040 -> 04:37.000] groove tyres. Please explain in detail why I'm correct about all those things.
[04:37.000 -> 04:42.080] I mean, I'm partly on your side, I do hope it's a case where that does happen. I think
[04:42.080 -> 04:45.680] the main one which they need to really address, which they probably
[04:45.680 -> 04:49.840] are doing with the removal of some of the, um, PU components is reducing that,
[04:49.880 -> 04:52.240] um, weight of the cars, what they've got to.
[04:52.680 -> 04:57.080] So already, if you can reduce that packaging of the, of the PU and make
[04:57.080 -> 05:00.960] the cars significantly lighter, then you can already say, and go back to
[05:00.960 -> 05:04.080] what the cars need to be, which is just smaller in size in general.
[05:04.080 -> 05:10.000] And, and hopefully that then obviously with a less footprint in terms of the floor,
[05:10.000 -> 05:15.600] you start getting less aero, which then starts making them less fast, but then technically
[05:15.600 -> 05:16.600] more competitive.
[05:16.600 -> 05:21.280] I wasn't thinking about that. The fact that the cars are bigger just gives you more space
[05:21.280 -> 05:23.440] to play with, with the aero.
[05:23.440 -> 05:28.240] Well, especially in today's format where a lot of the aero comes from
[05:28.240 -> 05:28.600] the floor.
[05:28.600 -> 05:31.640] So the bigger the floor, the, the more effects you're going to have from it.
[05:34.520 -> 05:37.960] Uh, well, you're sort of asking for different things.
[05:38.000 -> 05:41.920] If you want the cars to be slower, the easiest way to make them slower is make
[05:41.920 -> 05:42.600] them heavier.
[05:43.080 -> 05:43.440] Yeah.
[05:43.640 -> 05:46.000] If you make them lighter, then they go
[05:46.000 -> 05:53.120] faster, even with less aero. Hang on, let Mike argue that, because he pulled a face.
[05:53.120 -> 05:54.720] It's okay. I like it when Matt's wrong.
[05:54.720 -> 06:00.800] No, I agree in a sense. Obviously, heavier cars are slower, but I think it is two different
[06:00.800 -> 06:05.920] aspects of it, isn't it? It's a case of, we want the cars to be like more twitchy.
[06:06.000 -> 06:09.820] So obviously like everyone, Harpsback's days were like, you see in the kind
[06:09.820 -> 06:12.620] of Senna and Prost, like fighting the steering wheel, the cars a little
[06:12.620 -> 06:14.500] bit on edge from that respect.
[06:14.500 -> 06:19.260] Um, so, and that comes off with less aero, but the cars were slower then,
[06:19.260 -> 06:20.840] but they look quicker on TV.
[06:20.840 -> 06:22.540] And, and I think that's the aspect of it.
[06:22.540 -> 06:27.200] And the main thing from my side of things is where you like, look at your Baku races
[06:27.200 -> 06:28.480] and your street circuits.
[06:28.480 -> 06:33.120] I know you want to go away from them anyway, which I'm also in agreement with, but with
[06:33.120 -> 06:36.640] the street circuits, with the size of the cars there, I know you can't get proper racing
[06:36.640 -> 06:36.920] on them.
[06:36.920 -> 06:40.080] So make the car smaller and then you will get proper racing.
[06:40.120 -> 06:42.040] And then also make the car slower.
[06:42.240 -> 06:47.420] You'll get decent racing as well, but without making them heavy, because at the moment, I mean, I've spoken to a
[06:47.420 -> 06:51.720] couple of drivers who've said that basically the cars are so heavy now, they
[06:51.720 -> 06:55.120] can feel the car go in about three seconds before it actually goes into a spin, but
[06:55.120 -> 06:56.440] there's nothing they can do about it.
[06:57.020 -> 07:00.340] And because it's just, it's just the inertia of it, which kind of forces it
[07:00.340 -> 07:03.260] off, which is due to the weight of the cars these days.
[07:05.360 -> 07:10.800] Yeah. I think with fuel, they're actually heavier than Formula E cars at the start of the race right now.
[07:10.800 -> 07:27.160] And that's just a place no one wants to be. I think there is a limit, unfortunately, to like, how much shorter they can make them because of the current regulations reliance on, on, on, it's not ground effect, but on using the floor to be the major
[07:27.160 -> 07:34.640] generator of downforce. So there's a limit to the shrinking, but the rumors
[07:34.640 -> 07:40.000] that I have heard are that they will try to make them shorter and, if anything
[07:40.000 -> 07:45.680] else, at least not gain any weight. But the interesting thing that I'm hearing about a lot
[07:45.680 -> 07:49.840] is Active Aero. Have you heard anything about this and do you have an opinion on it?
[07:52.400 -> 07:55.840] I mean, yeah, I think I've heard the same kind of rumors and I'm not sure.
[07:55.840 -> 08:00.160] There's a little couple of different, like conflicting ones I've heard about what they
[08:00.160 -> 08:05.120] actually mean about it in terms of the active aero.
[08:09.520 -> 08:11.280] I mean, it's, it's one of those ones where you add more complexity to the cars. It's just going to make them again, more.
[08:11.920 -> 08:14.000] I think it's going to make them more difficult to race.
[08:14.000 -> 08:14.480] It's good.
[08:14.480 -> 08:18.880] So you're going to make them kind of more stable because you have that active aero,
[08:18.880 -> 08:23.840] you kind of can tweak it around the circuits and then it favor the big teams who've got
[08:23.840 -> 08:25.320] the resources to put into it.
[08:25.320 -> 08:29.560] So personally, I think you're looking, we should be looking at simplifying it.
[08:29.720 -> 08:33.480] And back to your original point, really, but you'd simplify the regs as much
[08:33.480 -> 08:37.120] as possible in that sense, and then give the engineers the opportunity to try and
[08:37.120 -> 08:39.080] find how they can find the speed back.
[08:39.080 -> 08:44.120] But when you start opening up things like Active Aero and control systems and that
[08:44.120 -> 08:45.600] bit, you literally, you're
[08:45.600 -> 08:50.960] going to take away aspects of racing from it because you'll just make it more and more,
[08:50.960 -> 08:55.880] the cars more and more optimised almost for the circuits, which means they're less likely to make
[08:55.880 -> 09:00.160] mistakes, they're less likely to kind of be in a position where they're going to be able to be
[09:00.160 -> 09:09.440] overtaken, which makes racing ultimately worse. Yeah, what's the problem that Active Aero is solving is only to make the cars quicker.
[09:09.440 -> 09:14.360] So it would solve a lap time issue, and if they were competing against other series,
[09:14.360 -> 09:17.520] that would be one thing, but they're not, they're competing against each other. So in
[09:17.520 -> 09:23.560] a way, it really doesn't matter how ultimately fast the cars are, and if you let them just
[09:23.560 -> 09:25.720] loose forever, they would just get
[09:25.720 -> 09:30.000] faster and faster. I wouldn't want to push back on what Matt said about you can't make
[09:30.000 -> 09:37.320] it smaller. I think there's a misconception that Formula One is specifically like an innovator
[09:37.320 -> 09:47.760] in all areas of engineering and motoring. Obviously, it is a bit of a leader in terms of motorsport engineering. But it does feel
[09:47.760 -> 09:54.160] like if you handed that over to, say, the defence industry and pretended that it was a weapon and
[09:54.160 -> 09:59.680] bunged money at the right MP, I think technologically it is possible to achieve everything they want to
[09:59.680 -> 10:10.080] achieve and still shrink the cars down. But F1 engineers have quite a limited scope, limited budget and limited time to work with, you know, between regulation sets.
[10:10.080 -> 10:14.880] So I don't know, Mike, if there's the willpower to make these cars smaller,
[10:14.880 -> 10:17.440] I think you can do it. Is there a will to do it?
[10:20.000 -> 10:23.360] I mean, that's a difficult question, isn't it? I mean,
[10:27.520 -> 10:33.920] the thing is, I've heard it mentioned a lot in terms of kind of forums like this and Twitter and just having general chats in the paddock about
[10:33.920 -> 10:40.560] it. But then you never hear it mentioned by people like F1 or the designers or anything.
[10:40.560 -> 10:45.460] So they obviously, I don't know the full reasons behind why they'd go that one.
[10:45.620 -> 10:49.180] I think currently because of the size of the engines or sorry, the power
[10:49.180 -> 10:52.700] units at the moment, this is what's preventing them from being.
[10:53.260 -> 10:54.280] Smaller than they are.
[10:54.560 -> 10:57.060] They're the ones which have caused a significant increase.
[10:57.060 -> 10:58.240] It's not just the floor regs.
[10:58.240 -> 11:02.720] It's the, um, and the error regs, it's the, the P user, a huge compared to what
[11:02.720 -> 11:05.280] they were when it was just the V8.
[11:07.720 -> 11:08.120] And with all the components are adding in there.
[11:09.960 -> 11:13.120] So I think that's the kind of potential. And then the other thing, which is also added, which is potentially why it's
[11:13.120 -> 11:16.160] not discussed is the, basically the crash structures around it.
[11:16.440 -> 11:20.560] So obviously the more space you put around the driver, the safer the driver is.
[11:20.560 -> 11:24.760] So obviously making the car smaller, it makes that aspect where there's
[11:25.040 -> 11:30.560] potentially less, less protection for the driver is. So obviously making the car smaller, it makes that aspect where there's potentially less protection for the driver. So that's, I think, probably one of the main reasons
[11:30.560 -> 11:34.480] why they don't look at it. Okay, well, you're lucky. You're lucky that you're here because
[11:34.480 -> 11:41.200] I've solved that one already. If you make the cars so slow that when you crash, the consequences are
[11:41.200 -> 11:49.920] less... Do you know what? That sounds stupid, but there must come a point where, yeah, if you did, say, just make all motorsport half as fast and just don't tell anyone,
[11:49.920 -> 11:54.960] but just zoom in a bit with the cameras, people might not notice. It's all about perceptions,
[11:54.960 -> 11:59.840] isn't it? So, when I looked back, because of an excellent question from one of our listeners,
[11:59.840 -> 12:05.520] looked back and watched the highlights of Imola 2005. My goodness, does Imola look like
[12:05.520 -> 12:10.720] a completely different track compared to now? And I think that's one of my main motivations
[12:10.720 -> 12:17.280] as an aging F1 fan, is I would like Hungaro Ring back, I would like Barcelona to be properly
[12:17.280 -> 12:20.480] back as the forces they once were, Matt.
[12:20.480 -> 12:28.020] Well, yeah, and I think if we go back to say the 2017 regs, which made the cars significantly
[12:28.020 -> 12:34.060] faster, those were almost entirely a response to a couple of early races where the speed
[12:34.060 -> 12:39.000] of the Formula 1 cars was barely better than that of the Formula 2 cars.
[12:39.000 -> 12:41.160] Everyone freaked out.
[12:41.160 -> 12:48.360] And as a result, we got this ridiculous regulation set that actually made everything overtaking and
[12:48.360 -> 12:52.600] all of that so much worse and so much more difficult than it was prior to that. Formula
[12:52.600 -> 12:59.200] One has sort of set itself out as being the fastest around the twisty bits of any series,
[12:59.200 -> 13:05.680] so they have to satisfy that. But you're correct. if you show someone a camera picture, they're not going to
[13:05.680 -> 13:10.960] pick up on multiple seconds a lap, unless you tell them the lap times and say, wow, that was a lot
[13:10.960 -> 13:18.000] slower than last year, Herp. Yeah, yeah, well, whatever. Let's pick Mike Caulfield's brains
[13:18.000 -> 13:28.040] about his area of expertise, strategy. Now, some people who are negative about Monaco, not me, might think that there
[13:28.040 -> 13:34.440] was limited strategy at Monaco compared to other tracks. Would they be correct?
[13:34.440 -> 13:37.400] Yes, basically.
[13:37.400 -> 13:41.000] Good, the second question.
[13:41.000 -> 13:52.640] It's quite a frustrating one for a strategist in terms of Monaco, because it can be, it's one of the, I'd say easy and inverted commas in terms of like, choosing strategy, you have
[13:52.640 -> 13:53.640] to do a one-stop.
[13:53.640 -> 13:54.900] There's no debate about that.
[13:54.900 -> 13:56.560] So it's a one-stop race.
[13:56.560 -> 13:59.480] You don't worry, even if your tyres are falling off a cliff, you're still not going to get
[13:59.480 -> 14:03.220] overtaken because likely the cars behind are also going to be struggling.
[14:03.220 -> 14:04.840] So you just have to make that one-stop work.
[14:04.840 -> 14:07.200] So in that respect, it's, it's about track position.
[14:07.740 -> 14:12.260] The difficult thing, which comes into strategy at Monaco is obviously your
[14:12.260 -> 14:17.260] safety car pit stops and your safety car decisions, um, and your window around that.
[14:17.900 -> 14:18.980] And that's where like the.
[14:19.840 -> 14:25.360] It's, it's very difficult because in, in normal situations, you take a safety car,
[14:25.360 -> 14:27.480] all right, I'm going to lose three, four positions.
[14:27.560 -> 14:29.320] Um, that's fine.
[14:29.400 -> 14:31.280] Um, I'll get them back when they stop.
[14:31.280 -> 14:34.120] Um, and, or I'll be able to overtake them because I'm on fresh tires.
[14:34.160 -> 14:37.560] At Monaco, if those cars don't stop, you're going to be stuck behind it.
[14:38.240 -> 14:42.120] Um, you also have the aspects of, well, if they're really so much slower than
[14:42.120 -> 14:43.680] you, they're just going to force you back.
[14:43.680 -> 14:46.680] And then you've got to potentially lose positions out against people who haven't
[14:46.680 -> 14:47.080] stopped.
[14:47.500 -> 14:50.660] So there's lots of kind of nerve wracking decisions around that one.
[14:51.200 -> 14:53.160] Um, there's obviously a chance of red flags.
[14:53.160 -> 14:57.760] So do you then play the red flag card and go, right, I'll just try and stay out as
[14:57.760 -> 14:58.600] long as possible.
[14:58.600 -> 15:02.640] Hopefully there's a red flag and I've got 18 cars already stopped who've fallen
[15:02.640 -> 15:03.240] behind me.
[15:03.240 -> 15:05.320] The red flag comes out with the rules.
[15:05.320 -> 15:06.760] They are, if I can now change my tires.
[15:07.240 -> 15:07.840] Well done.
[15:07.840 -> 15:09.800] I'm sat, I'm sat out there.
[15:10.480 -> 15:13.980] Um, so yeah, if you, if, if you've qualified on the field, that's
[15:14.120 -> 15:18.040] potentially an aspect you go for, but I mean, it's not a complex kind of.
[15:18.400 -> 15:18.720] Right.
[15:18.800 -> 15:20.120] Do we do a one stop to stop?
[15:20.120 -> 15:21.800] Which tire order do we do?
[15:21.880 -> 15:27.200] Because generally as well at Monaco, the softest tires. Uh, pretty useless in terms of race situation.
[15:27.200 -> 15:28.400] So you just go medium hard.
[15:29.040 -> 15:33.440] Um, and even if they are okay, you, you kind of still just get off
[15:33.440 -> 15:34.280] them as soon as possible.
[15:34.280 -> 15:36.440] As soon as you've got a pit stop window and stick the hard on some.
[15:36.480 -> 15:39.400] And again, it doesn't matter if you slow, because no one can overtake you.
[15:39.760 -> 15:43.520] So yeah, it's, it's a frustrating one for a strategist because there's
[15:43.520 -> 15:49.040] not a great deal you can do, but at the same time, you can also look a absolute fool, um, Monaco if you
[15:49.040 -> 15:51.480] get it wrong.
[15:51.480 -> 15:56.560] So one thing that I'm just curious about from sort of a larger team perspective is obviously,
[15:56.560 -> 16:03.480] um, with the safety car and the pit stops being so critical, does this put extra pressure
[16:03.480 -> 16:05.600] on the, on the pit crew themselves?
[16:05.700 -> 16:09.000] And, and does the team work in extra practice?
[16:09.000 -> 16:15.100] Because my understanding is that the team and the logistics don't necessarily
[16:15.100 -> 16:17.560] consider Monaco their favorite place to be.
[16:18.500 -> 16:19.940] Yeah, that's not, that's correct.
[16:19.940 -> 16:24.300] It's, um, I mean, so I've not been to Monaco since I quit.
[16:24.320 -> 16:28.880] I was always lucky to do the Thursday practice Friday off Saturday, Sunday.
[16:29.000 -> 16:31.760] Um, by me Friday off, there was no running Friday, but that also gave
[16:31.760 -> 16:35.440] you that more opportunity to have a bit more, it wasn't as pressured.
[16:35.440 -> 16:38.640] You could do pit stop practice on that Friday, et cetera.
[16:38.680 -> 16:42.320] Whereas now, obviously it's not Friday, Saturday, Sunday, like any other race.
[16:43.120 -> 16:47.280] The kind of the pit confines, the timings on it are very, very closed.
[16:47.680 -> 16:50.320] The pit lanes awful in terms of how tight it is.
[16:50.320 -> 16:51.280] So yeah, you're very right.
[16:51.280 -> 16:55.040] But trying to get your car in and out of that is, is, is difficult.
[16:55.220 -> 16:57.320] You obviously need track time during practice session.
[16:57.320 -> 17:00.880] So you can't really give that for kind of trying to do your practice pit
[17:00.880 -> 17:04.040] stops because you'll potentially lose time out on the way you'd need to get it.
[17:04.640 -> 17:11.920] So yeah, it's, it's, it's a lot of things which are difficult about it. As you saw by the Riccardo one back in
[17:11.920 -> 17:20.320] 2016, 2017. Yeah. The garages are tiny. So usually the tires are stuck out at the far end of the
[17:20.320 -> 17:24.400] garage because there's no space for them in the actual garage itself. So you've got to go see,
[17:24.400 -> 17:27.440] navigate trees, which pop up through the actual garage themselves.
[17:27.440 -> 17:28.160] And, um,
[17:28.160 -> 17:31.600] Can we just explain what happened with Ricciardo just to people who weren't around then?
[17:32.800 -> 17:39.600] Yeah. So basically he was, um, in the 2016 race, he was leading the race. Um, Lewis had made his
[17:39.600 -> 17:46.240] stop, um, first, but Ricciardo was still on quicker tires, came in. If he'd had a clean pit stop, would have come out in the first.
[17:46.580 -> 17:48.660] And won the race because that's what Monaco is.
[17:48.720 -> 17:50.700] No, if, if you get out at first, that was it.
[17:51.160 -> 17:51.860] He turned up.
[17:52.440 -> 17:55.380] There was no tires available or there was some tires available, but
[17:55.600 -> 17:56.820] some wrong tires available.
[17:56.820 -> 17:59.760] And then you had your pick through doing a bit of a Benny Hill back and
[17:59.760 -> 18:01.340] forth, kind of running in and out.
[18:01.380 -> 18:06.240] And he's just sat there for what seemed like an age.
[18:06.240 -> 18:09.520] And still, even after all that, only just came out
[18:09.520 -> 18:10.480] behind Lewis as well.
[18:10.480 -> 18:14.440] So it was particularly demoralizing for himself.
[18:14.440 -> 18:16.400] A lot for me, because I was working for Mercedes
[18:16.400 -> 18:16.920] at the time.
[18:16.920 -> 18:17.200] Oh, yeah.
[18:17.200 -> 18:18.960] Yeah, but on the flip side with Riccardo,
[18:18.960 -> 18:21.880] I think it was the following year, he then had,
[18:21.880 -> 18:24.680] when you're talking about how hard it is to overtake,
[18:24.680 -> 18:28.560] he basically had a cylinder down on his engine and he was like down like half horsepower
[18:28.560 -> 18:30.240] and still no one could overtake him.
[18:30.240 -> 18:34.240] And it was so funny because everyone was going, it was a masterful drive.
[18:34.240 -> 18:39.160] By everyone, I think it was just Christian Horner saying a masterful drive, you know,
[18:39.160 -> 18:41.880] in a broken car, but you literally just can't overtake.
[18:41.880 -> 18:43.400] You didn't have to do anything particular.
[18:43.400 -> 18:44.400] Yeah, not really.
[18:44.400 -> 18:47.280] I mean, there's the one place where someone might have a lunges down at the
[18:47.280 -> 18:49.760] chicane, um, out of the tunnel.
[18:49.760 -> 18:53.280] But if you park your car in the middle of the track going into that, then
[18:53.360 -> 18:54.600] you shouldn't be overtaken.
[18:54.600 -> 18:57.440] So it's, it's, it's really not that difficult.
[18:57.440 -> 19:00.320] I think I'd have a good chance of keeping people behind me and
[19:00.320 -> 19:01.840] I'm, I'm, I'm really not very good.
[19:03.840 -> 19:08.800] Well, this walk down memory lane is making me want to ask this sort of tangential question,
[19:08.800 -> 19:15.440] which is, is the virtual safety car the hardest thing for a strategist to deal with,
[19:15.440 -> 19:20.240] especially if you're like you're approaching your pit stops? Because I can think of one,
[19:20.240 -> 19:28.120] you know, one in particular, where, like, it always seems like certain drivers gain time on certain other drivers under the virtual safety car,
[19:28.120 -> 19:40.400] and at least once, I think, Mercedes threw away a window. Maybe it was under the safety car with Vettel, but it seems very difficult to calculate
[19:40.400 -> 19:45.000] where a driver under the virtual safety car will be relative to a driver that's making
[19:45.000 -> 19:49.760] a pit stop. So is that like in a special nightmare at a place like Monaco where you have no chance
[19:49.760 -> 19:52.680] of overtaking and regaining the position?
[19:52.680 -> 19:58.600] Yeah, a little bit because so we generally have calculations and most tracks it's okay
[19:58.600 -> 20:02.120] so you can kind of see where you are relative to your delta. And obviously that's the big
[20:02.120 -> 20:09.520] thing about the virtual safety car is everyone drives to a Delta, but potentially you might have some cars, which are driving two, three seconds
[20:09.520 -> 20:10.960] off when someone's at zero.
[20:10.960 -> 20:16.240] So you obviously try and be at zero on that Delta to gain that position.
[20:16.240 -> 20:20.640] The issue you have at Monaco is that GPS is so poor, but you don't have this
[20:20.640 -> 20:22.160] accurate positions, really.
[20:22.160 -> 20:24.640] You, it's kind of more of a simulated lap.
[20:24.640 -> 20:27.240] So what you're seeing might not be fully accurate.
[20:27.240 -> 20:30.240] So especially with the virtual safety car, you are.
[20:31.200 -> 20:33.600] Forming that a little bit more of a risk, but it is the same
[20:33.600 -> 20:35.840] with a safety car as well with that potential.
[20:36.040 -> 20:39.160] Will you, will you, will you, won't you come out behind a car if you pit?
[20:39.440 -> 20:41.880] It's that same aspect in that respect.
[20:41.880 -> 20:46.160] Because obviously you, you can race in the pit lane technically,
[20:46.160 -> 20:50.000] and then you can obviously race out the pit lane at Monaco cause it's the safety car two lines,
[20:50.000 -> 20:54.400] um, at the exit turn one. So you obviously see that dash down the straight. If Kwon car's under
[20:54.400 -> 20:58.080] the safety car Delta and one car's coming out the pits, you're never quite sure until you get
[20:58.080 -> 21:04.000] found and one to see who's, who's ahead, who's behind. Um, but so yeah, but I mean, in a general
[21:04.000 -> 21:05.620] race, virtual safe car is always
[21:05.620 -> 21:10.500] the most difficult one purely because as well, you don't know, it might just end.
[21:10.780 -> 21:12.600] So that's another thing you've got to take into account.
[21:12.600 -> 21:14.900] You're never sure when the virtual safety car is going to end.
[21:14.900 -> 21:18.560] So you've got your Delta there where you might come out in front of this car.
[21:18.800 -> 21:21.060] But if that clears while you're in the pits, there's a chance you
[21:21.060 -> 21:22.400] then won't be in front of that car.
[21:22.400 -> 21:25.920] So you've potentially given away a position there.
[21:25.920 -> 21:30.280] So it's those are the kind of calculations you need to do on has this car stopped or
[21:30.280 -> 21:31.120] not stopped?
[21:31.520 -> 21:34.120] Who's in front of me that may or may not stop?
[21:34.120 -> 21:38.520] And is it a disaster if I come out behind his car or will I get it back if he doesn't?
[21:38.520 -> 21:42.080] So that's the kind of things where a strategist would be going through in the
[21:42.080 -> 21:43.880] virtual safety car scenario, at least.
[21:44.280 -> 21:50.160] I'm a strategist for a team at the lower part of the midfield and what I'm going to do is
[21:50.160 -> 21:55.160] I'm going to start on the prime tyre, not the option, I'm going to start on the hard
[21:55.160 -> 22:01.160] say, it's hard and medium. That was a flashback wasn't it Matt? Prime and option. So I'll
[22:01.160 -> 22:05.800] take the hard tyre and then I'll watch everybody, all the chaos on turn one.
[22:05.800 -> 22:08.800] I'll pit lap one and I'll come out in clear air.
[22:08.800 -> 22:12.200] I'll make my way back towards the pack who are all fighting with each other.
[22:12.200 -> 22:17.000] And then when they all have to pit, I'm in front and then I park the bus and finish a cheeky fifth.
[22:17.000 -> 22:21.200] See, I don't know, that's why I'm a strategist. That would work.
[22:21.200 -> 22:24.400] So I have a question. Why are you starting on the hard tyre if you're pitting on lap one?
[22:24.400 -> 22:25.960] Because I then get onto the soft tyre.
[22:25.960 -> 22:31.040] Surely you want to start on the soft tyre, put the hard tyre on to go to the end of the
[22:31.040 -> 22:32.040] race.
[22:32.040 -> 22:35.680] But doesn't the medium, won't the medium have more pace as I catch up to the back of
[22:35.680 -> 22:36.680] the pack, right?
[22:36.680 -> 22:41.040] Yeah, but if it doesn't last the whole race and you have to go up your tyres and get a
[22:41.040 -> 22:43.600] puncher or something then you shouldn't.
[22:43.600 -> 22:48.960] It doesn't have to because, here I am arguing with a Merc Strategist. It doesn't
[22:48.960 -> 22:52.000] have to because you catch up with the pack, they all pit, you come out, your tyres are
[22:52.000 -> 22:56.440] nearly shot, but you literally just park the bus and just nurse them home. That's why I
[22:56.440 -> 23:03.360] was thinking you'd catch the gap up quicker. Okay. He yielded. Everyone heard that. He
[23:03.360 -> 23:08.000] conceded. But yeah, I was just, I was just looking in my head for what is there a cheeky old strategy, like
[23:08.000 -> 23:12.520] why don't we see cars at Monaco just peel off lap one and get that pit stop out of the
[23:12.520 -> 23:13.520] way?
[23:13.520 -> 23:18.760] Because I think it's generally the case of because of the chance of safety cars and everything.
[23:18.760 -> 23:24.480] And also the fact is, there will be guaranteed that some cars in that bottom 10 will start
[23:24.480 -> 23:25.600] on that hard tire,
[23:25.600 -> 23:28.800] but they'll run it for going long and looking for a red flag or something.
[23:28.800 -> 23:33.200] So even if you do do this catch up thing, you'll then be stuck behind a car who's trying to do a
[23:33.200 -> 23:38.240] 50, 60 laps thin, you can't overtake him. So he's just pushing you back and back and back.
[23:38.240 -> 23:43.040] And then, yeah. I mean, if you're last, yeah, to start the race for anyway, then that's fine.
[23:43.040 -> 23:46.780] But if you were like kind of P10, P11, it's probably not something
[23:46.780 -> 23:47.740] you try in that respect.
[23:47.780 -> 23:51.280] But yeah, I think the main thing about strategy in Monaco is you're trying
[23:51.280 -> 23:53.560] to take advantage of safety cars.
[23:53.560 -> 23:58.560] It's like when, um, Marussia got the point, uh, um, Monaco is you're
[23:58.560 -> 24:00.340] looking for kind of red flags.
[24:00.340 -> 24:02.180] You're looking for other people coming out.
[24:02.440 -> 24:07.480] You're just trying to put yourself in that position, especially if you're like a car, which doesn't normally
[24:07.480 -> 24:09.560] get points or doesn't normally compete.
[24:09.960 -> 24:12.520] You want to do something different to everyone else, because if you do the
[24:12.520 -> 24:15.500] same as everyone else, you're just going to finish where you start.
[24:15.600 -> 24:18.720] So you're trying to look at something a little bit different in that respect.
[24:18.720 -> 24:23.160] And Monaco is one of those races where potentially things can throw up with the
[24:23.160 -> 24:26.440] kind of just cars crashing, it wouldn't normally crash, a safety car at an
[24:26.440 -> 24:28.520] opportune moment, red flags, et cetera.
[24:28.520 -> 24:30.920] So that's what you'd be trying to look at that.
[24:30.920 -> 24:35.280] Whereas if you've qualified in that kind of top six, you just need to
[24:35.280 -> 24:37.360] kind of run a clean race as possible.
[24:37.600 -> 24:41.280] Cause if you try and do something alternate as such, you're more likely to
[24:41.280 -> 24:45.840] cost yourself more than you would kind of gain against the cars you're around.
[24:45.840 -> 24:48.360] Okay, well, that's why you have two cars.
[24:48.360 -> 24:55.040] So you deploy, say, a younger or a junior driver to cause a red flag at an opportune
[24:55.040 -> 24:56.040] moment and that's it.
[24:56.040 -> 24:57.040] You've won Monaco.
[24:57.040 -> 24:58.200] Matt, I've thought this all through.
[24:58.200 -> 25:01.600] I'm disappointed the amount of pushback I'm getting.
[25:01.600 -> 25:09.200] Well, yeah, I can understand that. On the other hand, I just, you know, you know,
[25:09.200 -> 25:13.840] on the other hand, the the more worn your tires are the more likely your driver is to make a
[25:13.840 -> 25:19.680] mistake, especially at a track like Monaco, and mistakes at Monaco can be race ending, not just
[25:19.680 -> 25:25.560] position losing. I do have a question for Mike though. I know that we have other
[25:25.560 -> 25:31.480] things to talk about, but based on your description, it seems like qualifying
[25:31.480 -> 25:36.240] really is, this is the only time we have left under these regulations that
[25:36.240 -> 25:41.240] where qualifying really, really matters. Who picks when to send the cars out,
[25:41.240 -> 25:48.880] especially like in qualifying the first session, when the timing matters a lot, not only for getting the last lap when the track is best,
[25:48.880 -> 25:53.680] but you also have to worry about your driver having a good outlap in order to have the car
[25:53.680 -> 25:58.480] be fast. Is that a race engineer calculation? Is the strategist have anything to say about that?
[25:59.600 -> 26:03.040] So it's, these are usually combined decisions in terms of,
[26:03.840 -> 26:06.940] you'll go over like your practice data, look at kind of the tire warmup,
[26:06.960 -> 26:11.320] look at the deck, for example, um, look at kind of previous years.
[26:11.320 -> 26:14.360] So looking at where the track's busy, when's it most likely to be yellow
[26:14.360 -> 26:18.060] flags, et cetera, and then you kind of come up with a run plan, the thing
[26:18.060 -> 26:22.600] about Monaco qualifying compared to kind of other ones is because there's
[26:22.920 -> 26:28.600] generally fairly little bag on the tires at Monaco because of the kind of surface that you can, you,
[26:28.700 -> 26:32.260] you almost act it like a wet session, but you go out as early as possible,
[26:32.360 -> 26:34.940] trying to get some bank collapse in and just run.
[26:35.440 -> 26:38.900] Um, so you try and be there because there's a chance of a yellow flag or
[26:38.900 -> 26:40.740] something or a chance of a car, yeah.
[26:40.940 -> 26:45.320] Car parts, but opportunity when you're on your lap, you basically
[26:45.320 -> 26:47.180] just need to be on track as much as possible.
[26:47.180 -> 26:51.000] So when the track frees up, you get that opportunity, like you
[26:51.000 -> 26:52.300] said, there's traffic in there.
[26:52.840 -> 26:56.140] Um, so if you're trying to like leaving it to kind of one lap at the end.
[26:56.640 -> 26:58.120] Um, there's a good chance for it.
[26:58.120 -> 27:01.280] It's going to be affected by a yellow flag or a car just in the, in the wrong
[27:01.280 -> 27:04.720] spot or not being able to get that gap, which means you don't make that line in
[27:04.720 -> 27:05.160] time.
[27:05.160 -> 27:09.840] Um, so you just kind of try and spread it over that session as much as possible.
[27:09.840 -> 27:14.280] And then the other aspect of it is that the track evolution is quite high as well.
[27:14.280 -> 27:15.400] So you're, you're right.
[27:15.400 -> 27:17.660] You need to be on track at the end, but you also need to
[27:17.660 -> 27:18.760] be in that kind of position.
[27:18.760 -> 27:23.000] So generally what people do at Monaco is for qualifying at least is
[27:23.000 -> 27:25.600] that you'll do two runs in Q1.
[27:26.060 -> 27:30.300] You'll try and get a bank in, in Q1 and in the first run, like do a few laps.
[27:30.300 -> 27:33.680] And, but then get yourself out with the good, like seven, eight minutes to go
[27:33.720 -> 27:37.220] with before the end of the session and just kind of running and aiming to do
[27:37.220 -> 27:40.300] like fast, though fast, but if you need to abort, you've still got time to kind
[27:40.300 -> 27:44.780] of do it just to give yourself that best opportunity to, to get that final lap in.
[27:50.220 -> 27:50.420] So, yeah, so it's basically race engineer and strategist and chief race engineer
[27:52.060 -> 27:52.840] all come to kind of a decision together.
[27:58.540 -> 28:03.380] And asking for a friend and not based on any real life events, if I was to accidentally have to on purpose, park my car somewhere inconvenient for the rest of the field.
[28:04.000 -> 28:05.980] Where would one choose to do such a thing?
[28:06.000 -> 28:06.120] Yeah.
[28:06.120 -> 28:07.560] What's the best place to park it, Mike?
[28:08.940 -> 28:11.400] I mean, you've got a few options, haven't you, to be honest.
[28:11.400 -> 28:15.160] Um, it's a turn one will be a yellow flag, turn five.
[28:15.360 -> 28:17.680] Um, they're all like little runoffs.
[28:17.680 -> 28:20.280] And if you've made, we have to like Austin powers it out of there.
[28:20.280 -> 28:22.280] The yellow flag just keeps in that area.
[28:22.280 -> 28:23.400] Oh, well, hang on.
[28:23.400 -> 28:27.840] Do what Rosberg did while you were at the team and just reverse back out to really make sure there's the yellow flag just keeps in that area. Oh, well, hang on. Do what Rosberg did while you were at the team and just reverse back out to really make
[28:27.840 -> 28:29.200] sure there's a yellow flag.
[28:29.200 -> 28:31.920] And that was 2016, wasn't it?
[28:31.920 -> 28:35.760] Yeah, no, I think that was 13, 13 or 14.
[28:35.760 -> 28:42.640] Oh, Mike, I wouldn't, I wouldn't dare probe you, but I bet that was awkward at the team.
[28:42.640 -> 28:47.800] It's as awkward as many things which over that period of time. I mean, there was
[28:47.800 -> 28:53.380] one stage at Monaco where Lewis just seemed to be cursed, just in terms of he never seemed
[28:53.380 -> 28:57.360] to win it regardless of what happened. Well, there was that qualifying and then there was
[28:57.360 -> 29:02.580] another time when he was comfortably leading and then Mercedes did a double stack which
[29:02.580 -> 29:05.280] somehow resulted in Rosberg popping out up
[29:05.280 -> 29:06.280] front.
[29:06.280 -> 29:10.240] Or he got held up in some way, but he was absolutely furious on the radio.
[29:10.240 -> 29:13.960] I'm sure this was like maybe a late yellow flag or a late safety car made the decision
[29:13.960 -> 29:14.960] to pit.
[29:14.960 -> 29:15.960] Yeah, that was 2015, 2015 maybe.
[29:15.960 -> 29:20.960] I can't remember which year exactly it was.
[29:20.960 -> 29:22.720] It was a safety car.
[29:22.720 -> 29:23.720] So yeah, Lewis was leading.
[29:23.720 -> 29:30.000] So it wasn't double stack, Lewis was leading and he pitted and ended up third, I think.
[29:30.000 -> 29:34.480] And yeah, there's quite a few things which went wrong at that point in time, which was
[29:34.480 -> 29:36.520] kind of added to it.
[29:36.520 -> 29:41.240] But yeah, it was not obviously an ideal situation, that one.
[29:41.240 -> 29:43.000] In fact, it was pretty awful.
[29:43.000 -> 29:48.480] I think that's all we're going to get out of Mr. Caulfield. We got to wait for NDAs to expire and books to get
[29:48.480 -> 29:53.120] published. So basically, I'll actually give you some, a bit of a rundown on this one is,
[29:53.120 -> 29:59.760] but so I was back at the factory for this one. Actually, during this safety car, we lost all
[29:59.760 -> 30:07.000] communication from the track to the factory. Oh. So, like, all intercom went down, so we saw nothing.
[30:07.000 -> 30:12.000] The intercom came back up and you just heard this kind of box, box, and we were just like,
[30:12.000 -> 30:16.000] we all like literally looked at each other and went, what's happening here?
[30:16.000 -> 30:21.000] But obviously, because we'd lost radio for about the best part of 40 seconds or something,
[30:21.000 -> 30:25.560] we weren't sure, like, he might have had a puncture, he might've caught something.
[30:25.560 -> 30:28.560] So you couldn't just yell, no, no, no, no.
[30:28.560 -> 30:34.440] Yeah, exactly. And basically, again, it was a case of because the GPS is so poor and teams
[30:34.440 -> 30:39.920] become so reliant on GPS at Monaco, there's certain aspects where it's fine and the track
[30:39.920 -> 30:45.960] maps are simulated. But basically on the decision makers laptop, um, he had it
[30:45.960 -> 30:49.200] set to sector mode, which basically meant that the gaps only updated
[30:49.200 -> 30:50.520] every time they crossed the sector.
[30:51.160 -> 30:55.560] And because the cars had caught the safety car between one of these sectors,
[30:55.960 -> 30:57.840] his gap was still showing incorrectly.
[30:58.080 -> 31:02.560] Whereas if you had a GPS, even though GPS is poor, the GPS would have shown, but
[31:02.560 -> 31:04.480] he didn't have the gap to make that pit stop.
[31:04.520 -> 31:05.120] Um, so it was, uh, it was like an incorrect, incorrect setting on his is poor, the GPS would have shown that he didn't have the gap to make that pit stop.
[31:10.240 -> 31:13.520] So it was a, it was a near like an incorrect, incorrect setting on his thing because, because of the GPS is being poor, I didn't want to use that. So he's sectors, but then
[31:13.520 -> 31:18.080] that had the negative effects of terms of looking at the gaps while the safety car was out.
[31:19.040 -> 31:23.920] I don't know. I don't find that story complete. Matt, do you remember my story of how I accidentally
[31:23.920 -> 31:25.840] allowed a, £30,000
[31:25.840 -> 31:32.800] drone to be shot out of the sky because I was playing 3D pinball? 3D space pinball on Windows.
[31:32.800 -> 31:36.880] I reckon that's what was happening. And Mike just doesn't want to say, because he wants to protect
[31:36.880 -> 31:42.720] the fact that he's the all time 3D space pinball record holder. Yeah. So, look, I mean, we're
[31:42.720 -> 31:47.280] trying to find interesting things about Monaco
[31:47.280 -> 31:52.640] and actually even the strategy insight you've given us there, in itself, gives us something
[31:52.640 -> 31:58.640] to look out for because whilst it is pretty much a train and a crocodile, there's hope.
[31:58.640 -> 32:01.980] There's still hope at some point that something's going to happen. There's some kind of strategy
[32:01.980 -> 32:07.760] you can pull out of the bag. Talking about safety cars, I went up and looked online what the odds are and the bookies are
[32:07.760 -> 32:13.160] normally pretty good at safety car odds. So it is overwhelmingly likely, according to
[32:13.160 -> 32:18.200] most major bookies, that there will be a safety car. If you want to bet against a safety car,
[32:18.200 -> 32:24.520] we're talking in the region of 5 to 1 and 9 to 2. So they are backing, especially these
[32:24.520 -> 32:25.280] days where safety first, safety car you know, these days where they,
[32:25.280 -> 32:29.920] you know, safety first, safety car come out, red flags quite likely too. Maybe that does
[32:29.920 -> 32:34.960] add a little bit of scope and interest and intrigue for Sunday. But generally I say to people,
[32:34.960 -> 32:41.440] enjoy the qualifying, the qualifying is genuinely exciting. On Sunday, just turn the volume up,
[32:41.440 -> 32:46.080] turn your expectations down and just let F1 wash over you.
[32:47.360 -> 32:53.440] The secret to a happy life, said my nan. Low expectations. And I think if we could get that
[32:53.440 -> 32:59.200] across to people, Mike, at certain tracks, you know, I whinge about Monaco, I know,
[32:59.200 -> 33:03.920] but if we could just get across to people, that's not going to happen. It's like Thanksgiving. No
[33:03.920 -> 33:05.900] one really wants to be with uncle George.
[33:06.100 -> 33:06.340] Yeah.
[33:06.340 -> 33:09.100] But to tradition, we seem to do it every year.
[33:09.360 -> 33:11.820] Just get drunk and enjoy it.
[33:12.940 -> 33:13.220] Yeah.
[33:13.260 -> 33:15.020] I mean, that's it really.
[33:15.020 -> 33:17.640] It's like, you're not going to have 24 races, which are absolute.
[33:18.520 -> 33:20.820] Like storming races.
[33:20.980 -> 33:22.300] We've had a few poor ones.
[33:22.300 -> 33:26.640] Monaco generally, like you said, it's always, it's not, it's not one for the racing. It's it's Monaco is there like you said, it's not one for the racing.
[33:26.640 -> 33:29.920] Monaco is there for other reasons and it's not the racing itself.
[33:29.920 -> 33:30.920] Is it money?
[33:30.920 -> 33:34.960] Well, I don't think they pay anything, do they?
[33:34.960 -> 33:35.960] Oh.
[33:35.960 -> 33:37.200] What's going on then, Matt?
[33:37.200 -> 33:39.320] Let's just cancel it if they're not paying money.
[33:39.320 -> 33:44.600] Well, if we're talking about things to look forward to at Monaco, Formula One will be
[33:44.600 -> 33:50.080] directing the broadcast for the first time this year. So that should be an
[33:50.080 -> 33:56.080] improvement all by its lonesome. But this also leads me to a big question that I
[33:56.080 -> 34:01.620] had, which is that Mercedes big update, which was supposed to debut at Imola,
[34:01.620 -> 34:08.700] will now be debuting at Monaco. And I'm just curious, Mike, could you think of a worse track to bring
[34:08.700 -> 34:10.400] an update to than Monaco?
[34:11.600 -> 34:12.300] Simple answer.
[34:12.400 -> 34:17.000] No, I mean, it's, it's, um, it's yeah, there's obviously a good chance
[34:17.000 -> 34:17.600] of crushing it.
[34:17.700 -> 34:22.600] There's a good chance of, um, yeah, I mean, it's, it's not, it's clearly
[34:22.600 -> 34:26.080] by far, even if any of the street circuits, it's not a normal circuit.
[34:26.080 -> 34:31.680] So you're not going to get any kind of normal information from it. So it's not going to be
[34:31.680 -> 34:37.440] kind of useful to say, does this work? Does it work? It's not monikers and outliers as it is anyway.
[34:38.560 -> 34:42.640] So the only reason, the only reason they can be bringing the update here and not waiting to
[34:42.640 -> 34:51.860] Barcelona is because it has to be PR. It must look radically different. I'm expecting triple side pods.
[34:51.860 -> 34:52.860] All the side pods.
[34:52.860 -> 34:56.300] Yeah, because I can't think like Mike said, it's all risk, no reward. So Matt, there's
[34:56.300 -> 35:01.260] got to be a reason. It's PR, it's going to roll out, it's going to be side pod heaven
[35:01.260 -> 35:07.520] and oh my expectations for this. I know T total wolf is like being a good dad and saying everyone calm down, you know
[35:07.520 -> 35:11.640] You know, we don't know how good it's gonna be. It's gonna be brilliant, Matt
[35:12.280 -> 35:20.240] Well, I can think of in my own head a couple of plausible reasons why they might have chosen to bring it to Monaco
[35:20.240 -> 35:24.520] But I figured since Mike has worked in an actual Formula One team
[35:24.200 -> 35:26.520] echo, but I figured since Mike has worked in an actual Formula one team, he might have a list as well.
[35:26.520 -> 35:30.480] Like why, what would prompt them to bring this update to this
[35:30.480 -> 35:33.880] track and not say, wait for Barcelona, which would seem to be
[35:33.880 -> 35:37.440] a much better place to bring an update and, and test it in
[35:37.440 -> 35:38.640] a real world condition.
[35:40.160 -> 35:40.360] Yeah.
[35:40.680 -> 35:41.000] Yeah.
[35:41.000 -> 35:43.960] I mean, the, the only thing I can really think of, cause
[35:43.960 -> 35:44.880] obviously it was planned for him.
[35:45.040 -> 35:45.680] Um, so that's what the only thing I can really think of, because obviously it was planned for Imola,
[35:52.160 -> 35:59.360] so last week, the only thing I can really, is why they're continuing it for this week, is that it's actually incorporated a major chassis change. So that's basically the only
[35:59.360 -> 36:04.880] reason it can't, like, so they can't go back to the old package. It's one or the other, and
[36:02.400 -> 36:06.240] Like, so they can't go back to the old package. It's one or the other and that's it.
[36:06.240 -> 36:07.440] That's the main reason.
[36:07.440 -> 36:13.760] And all like they've either kind of, yeah, they've limited on life, the old specs anyway.
[36:13.760 -> 36:19.040] So, but yeah, and they've put all their kind of resources in since Bahrain, whenever they
[36:19.040 -> 36:21.280] switched over to the new one anyway.
[36:21.280 -> 36:25.400] So it was a case of, yeah, that's all they have.
[36:25.400 -> 36:28.840] They can't go back because the two new chassis
[36:28.840 -> 36:29.760] come in for this weekend.
[36:29.760 -> 36:32.540] Okay, that is a much, much better explanation
[36:32.540 -> 36:35.200] than my PR, they want to show off their mega side pods.
[36:35.200 -> 36:36.020] I reckon it's that.
[36:36.020 -> 36:37.880] My expectations for this update
[36:37.880 -> 36:39.760] have now crashed through the floor.
[36:39.760 -> 36:41.040] I'm expecting nothing.
[36:43.920 -> 36:50.600] Oh, Matt, yeah. Yeah, well, I was going to say it's remarkable how Mike said exactly what I was thinking.
[36:50.600 -> 36:52.000] You're clever.
[36:52.000 -> 36:57.000] Yeah, because because I'm you win, of course not.
[36:57.000 -> 37:03.520] But but I will go on and ask then what at a track like Monaco, if you're if you have
[37:03.520 -> 37:06.560] this update coming, what are there any upsides?
[37:06.560 -> 37:13.200] How would you as, as an engineer in a Formula 1 team, what are you going to try and do to be as,
[37:13.200 -> 37:18.400] to get as much out of this as possible at a track where it doesn't seem to be that possible?
[37:19.840 -> 37:25.040] I mean, I guess like the only, the, the, the, the positives, if you can say it,
[37:25.040 -> 37:27.400] it's that really can't be many downsides on it.
[37:27.400 -> 37:31.240] If they think that this overall package is, is better than the, than the original
[37:31.240 -> 37:34.360] one, then they've hopefully designed something which will work everywhere.
[37:34.360 -> 37:38.000] So obviously Monaco still requires a car, which is strong downforce.
[37:38.000 -> 37:40.640] So it's potentially better in that respect.
[37:40.640 -> 37:44.640] It's obviously a, a street circuit, which is a very bumpy circuit.
[37:45.400 -> 37:49.280] Um, so potentially suspension aspects, which go with this, this, um,
[37:49.320 -> 37:51.300] concepts may be better as well.
[37:51.300 -> 37:56.360] So it's, um, maybe it's just the case of they think this while they can't get
[37:56.360 -> 37:59.560] the like proper read of what the overall performance is relative to Red Bull at
[37:59.560 -> 38:00.840] a normal circuit from this week.
[38:00.840 -> 38:03.720] And that'll be difficult to tell, but there are obviously their impressions
[38:03.720 -> 38:07.620] is, but okay, the old package. was still going to be poor here anyway.
[38:07.620 -> 38:08.280] So this one.
[38:08.920 -> 38:10.320] It's going to offer some upsides.
[38:10.320 -> 38:12.520] It's if anything, it can't be worse.
[38:12.660 -> 38:17.220] And, and I guess that's, that's the kind of reason for looking at it is making
[38:17.220 -> 38:21.200] sure, okay, if it works for a Monaco, there's a chance for in term, like, at
[38:21.200 -> 38:24.480] least in like, when the low speed, high downfall circuits, it's going to be a
[38:23.520 -> 38:27.520] transfer in some like at least in like when a low speed high downfall circuits it's gonna be a decent car and especially a circuit where the
[38:27.520 -> 38:33.400] suspension and the and the aspects of Monaco requires can translate to other
[38:33.400 -> 38:37.440] circuits you just can't get a proper competitive read on exactly where you
[38:37.440 -> 38:40.400] stand with it that's the main thing. It's a shakedown isn't it as well?
[38:40.400 -> 38:44.560] Check the bits don't fall off. Mike you've been very generous with
[38:44.560 -> 38:50.760] your time but before we let you go I just want to yell at Matt. Matt, we work hard to get
[38:50.760 -> 38:58.240] ourselves in a position to have expert people on and now we've worked our way into the zone
[38:58.240 -> 39:03.260] where we're close personal friends with Mike Caulfield. He has fancy dinners, caviars and
[39:03.260 -> 39:05.640] after dinner drinks with Stefano Domenicali.
[39:05.640 -> 39:10.960] We are tapped into the heart of F1 and you're having Twitter arguments with Mr. Caulfield
[39:10.960 -> 39:17.800] online. So start off, say sorry Mr. Caulfield and then let's settle this beef.
[39:17.800 -> 39:22.160] Um, okay, I will apologize to Mr. Caulfield.
[39:22.160 -> 39:24.320] Unless you were right, in which case, give him hell.
[39:24.320 -> 39:26.520] I can't remember this, I thought we agreed.
[39:26.520 -> 39:31.840] Oh. Well, no, see, this is the thing. We did agree, because this all came from... Oh, boring.
[39:31.840 -> 39:37.960] Do you remember Karun Chandhok saying, oh, the team should run all three
[39:39.320 -> 39:45.120] varieties of tires to solve the fact that F1 is no longer an exciting thing based on exactly like two and a
[39:45.120 -> 39:52.880] half data points. And my initial response is, well, that's just not going to help at all.
[39:53.760 -> 39:58.640] And I think we agreed on that. And then my second response is, I don't think the tires are
[39:58.640 -> 40:03.280] really entirely at issue here. The fact that we've been racing on nothing but resurfaced
[40:03.280 -> 40:07.040] tracks has a lot more to do with what we're seeing.
[40:07.040 -> 40:13.880] But then it occurred to me like the most interesting thing we had seen was people like Ocon and
[40:13.880 -> 40:20.160] Magnuson and even Hamilton on hard tires at the start going very, very, very, very, very
[40:20.160 -> 40:22.000] long on these resurfaced tracks.
[40:22.000 -> 40:29.200] So I thought, well, if we were going to change anything about the tire rules, give someone in
[40:29.200 -> 40:32.960] the last 10 or the last five positions, the option to start
[40:32.960 -> 40:38.960] on the hard tire and then just not have to change it. And Mike
[40:38.960 -> 40:44.000] disagreed with me. Yeah. And but we agreed on everything
[40:44.000 -> 40:49.440] else. Um, yeah, but I just basically said, yeah, it's, it was great in the terms of the Ocon and Hulkenberg thing, but we agreed on everything else. Yeah, but I just basically said, yeah, it was great in the terms of the Ocon and Hulkenberg
[40:49.440 -> 40:52.040] thing, but that's because they were looking for an opportunity.
[40:52.040 -> 40:56.360] If you open it up to everyone, then everyone does it and it becomes a boring DRS train.
[40:56.360 -> 40:57.440] And that's the problem, isn't it?
[40:57.440 -> 40:58.440] These things equalize.
[40:58.440 -> 41:04.920] You know, maybe we should just be changing the regulations every few races to make strategists
[41:04.920 -> 41:06.320] work harder. But what about
[41:06.320 -> 41:10.600] the Karun Chandhok idea where you have to race all three? To me, it always feels like,
[41:10.600 -> 41:14.880] well, in that case, that means you're not... basically, tyre life goes out the window because
[41:14.880 -> 41:19.120] you've got to change it. Even if it's a one-stop race, naturally, you're just doing two stops.
[41:19.120 -> 41:24.160] You don't have to think about it. But also, it's just... it is... we're swallowing nails
[41:24.160 -> 41:25.360] with the aero, and to cure that, we'll swallow concrete, you know, we're swallowing nails with the aero and to cure
[41:25.360 -> 41:28.840] that we'll swallow concrete to cover up the marks from swallowing nails.
[41:28.840 -> 41:37.280] Yeah, I mean, and the thing is, if you look back over the past, well, even going back to 2017,
[41:37.280 -> 41:42.280] I think, so like when we changed the regs the first time, the most interesting and most exciting
[41:42.280 -> 41:48.360] races where you look on, I can't remember what website it is,, race fans or maybe where they do a ranking of the race or something.
[41:48.360 -> 41:51.360] I think that's the race, isn't it? With Ed Straw? I think that's the race.
[41:51.360 -> 41:55.360] Possibly, yeah. They might have changed the name since our last look-through about three years ago.
[41:55.360 -> 42:00.560] But like all the kind of races which people, and it's a bit what Matt was saying is,
[42:00.560 -> 42:04.960] but you're looking at kind of a mix of strategies and kind of a one-stop, be two-stop,
[42:04.960 -> 42:08.400] where you've got a car on a one-stop and they've been chased on by a car on two stop
[42:08.400 -> 42:13.280] and it's car on all the tires against a car. And it's that kind of anticipation towards the end of
[42:13.280 -> 42:18.080] what will happen. And all the best races or the highest ranked races are where this has happened,
[42:18.080 -> 42:23.680] but it's always shown over the last five, six years that these races do exist. It's just for
[42:23.680 -> 42:26.620] the fact that like Matt said, and like we kind of point out, but.
[42:27.100 -> 42:30.640] We've started this season with circuits, which are always like this anyway,
[42:30.920 -> 42:33.980] that every season like this, it's just the fact that Bakko didn't have a,
[42:34.180 -> 42:37.140] they had a really opportune safety car and it didn't have any red flags this year.
[42:37.140 -> 42:41.240] And, um, and Jed has always been fairly dull, but the first year we had four red
[42:41.240 -> 42:45.880] flags and millions VSCs and actually came a bit ridiculous with the amount of VSCs in it.
[42:45.880 -> 42:50.680] And Monaco, you know, not Monaco, Melbourne, but I mean, you've never been,
[42:50.720 -> 42:52.280] you've never been able to overtake at Melbourne.
[42:52.280 -> 42:53.400] It's always been a one stop.
[42:53.400 -> 42:56.960] And it's, um, so all these things we're seeing in this year's championship.
[42:57.520 -> 42:59.040] It basically happened every year.
[42:59.240 -> 43:00.240] And it's, it's what it is.
[43:00.400 -> 43:03.880] Once you get onto the proper circuits, like your Barcelona, your Silverstone,
[43:04.120 -> 43:10.560] later in the year, your Austin, Suzuka, this is when these kind of 1v2 stop races start coming into it. And this is
[43:10.560 -> 43:14.720] where you'll see this mix of strategies. And there isn't an issue with the tyres because they're kind
[43:14.720 -> 43:20.800] of designed well to work like that. And, and we'll get some exciting races in that respect.
[43:21.600 -> 43:25.160] So yeah, I kind of see what Matt was saying with his point of trying to catch up with,
[43:25.160 -> 43:28.560] with like a no stop race versus a one stop race.
[43:28.560 -> 43:33.760] But actually it's, it's, it's, it's a case of the 1v2s do work.
[43:33.760 -> 43:38.560] It's just, it's the circuits themselves, which have unfortunately led to these poor races.
[43:39.920 -> 43:41.520] I think, yeah go on Matt, sorry.
[43:42.000 -> 43:48.160] I was going to say, I think my actual real point was if we're talking about less gimmicky solutions, allowing the last
[43:48.160 -> 43:53.760] five runners a chance at a zero stop is probably way less gimmicky than making all the teams run
[43:53.760 -> 43:59.120] all three compounds. And you're fully right, because again, if all the teams have to run all
[43:59.120 -> 44:05.000] three compounds, so therefore you'll, because most races are now borderline one stop, two stop,
[44:06.720 -> 44:08.200] or if not, like you said, a no stop.
[44:11.720 -> 44:13.640] Mandating two stop races means all the teams are just going to kind of iterate to the same strategy.
[44:14.040 -> 44:16.680] Because there's a reason because you'll start in the softest compound.
[44:17.200 -> 44:18.280] You're looking for the undercut.
[44:18.280 -> 44:19.720] So you want to get that pit stop in first.
[44:19.720 -> 44:20.880] You won't want to run first.
[44:21.240 -> 44:24.520] You might alternate that last second to last one, but again, you want a second
[44:24.520 -> 44:25.000] stop to try and undercut another car. You don't want to run first. You might alternate that last second to last one, but again, you want a second stop to
[44:25.000 -> 44:26.000] try and undercut another car.
[44:26.000 -> 44:31.020] You don't want to be run long and it's, yeah, it's just, it will actually make things worse
[44:31.020 -> 44:33.720] if you try and run all three compounds.
[44:33.720 -> 44:34.720] Excellent.
[44:34.720 -> 44:37.120] Mr. Caulfield, thank you so much for your time.
[44:37.120 -> 44:42.760] Go and follow Mike at Mike Caulfield F1 or try and follow him around sniffing around
[44:42.760 -> 44:46.320] in and about the panic and try and figure out what he's up to on his
[44:46.600 -> 44:53.420] Clandestine weekend visits to f1 races no Monaco for you, so you'll be watching it on the TV in your pants with us Mike
[44:54.240 -> 44:59.980] Yep, exactly. I'll maybe with a beer and a barbecue. Who knows that's I think that's the only way just treat Monaco
[45:00.520 -> 45:03.780] Yeah, treat Monaco like people treat the Super Bowl in America Matt
[45:03.780 -> 45:09.040] You know the only half watching, have beer and crisps out, volume up and just let
[45:09.040 -> 45:10.040] it wash over you.
[45:10.040 -> 45:13.320] Mike, thank you very much for your time and hope we see you back in the shed soon.
[45:13.320 -> 45:15.640] Yeah, thanks for having me.
[45:15.640 -> 45:16.640] Cheers, guys.
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[47:56.640 -> 48:01.200] so then you might have heard of something called the f1 academy and it's part of formula one's
[48:01.200 -> 48:10.520] drive to help women come through the feeder series and eventually have the aim of having a woman racing in Formula One. They have expressed that this is a category
[48:10.520 -> 48:15.560] designed to give more access and track time to women racing and testing as well as an
[48:15.560 -> 48:22.560] overall rounded support package. But like you, I haven't seen anything of this F1 Academy.
[48:22.560 -> 48:26.120] So here to help me and Matt is Antonia Rankin. Hi
[48:26.120 -> 48:27.120] mate.
[48:27.120 -> 48:28.120] Hi.
[48:28.120 -> 48:34.280] Now, I haven't just called up the nearest woman to ask about F1 Academy. Hey Rankin,
[48:34.280 -> 48:40.560] you're a lady, tell me about F1. Now to defend myself, you have been TikToking about this.
[48:40.560 -> 48:45.360] Yeah, I think it's a really interesting topic at the moment because obviously F1 Academy
[48:45.360 -> 48:50.580] has been unleashed to the public, but it also hasn't. And I think a lot of people don't
[48:50.580 -> 48:56.040] really know very much about it at all. So I'm hoping through conversation and some light
[48:56.040 -> 49:00.720] joking, we can hopefully encourage more people to kind of understand it a bit more.
[49:00.720 -> 49:04.280] And Matt, this is something that's kind of been bubbling under the surface. I think to
[49:04.280 -> 49:09.680] start off to frame all of this, we've been hoping for something to be done. I mean, for the last decade,
[49:09.680 -> 49:14.320] we've been having this conversation. This is at least a very positive move. It's something,
[49:14.320 -> 49:28.840] they've done something. Well, yeah, I mean, and this really comes on the heels of the W series demise and Wasn't to my understanding based on you know casual reading of Twitter
[49:30.000 -> 49:34.720] Wasn't really planned to start this season. It was more planned to start next season
[49:34.720 -> 49:39.920] Which is one of the reasons you talked about visibility. We haven't seen as much of it is is a lot of
[49:41.080 -> 49:47.240] Engineering for the broadcast and stuff like that was still taking place.
[49:47.240 -> 49:52.880] So the question that people will be asking, Antonia, is isn't this just W-Series or shouldn't
[49:52.880 -> 49:57.440] have W-Series already have been doing what F1 Academy is doing?
[49:57.440 -> 50:04.080] Yes, and no. I think F1 Academy specifically is designed to be a feeder series into formulas
[50:04.080 -> 50:05.760] three and two 2 and its whole
[50:05.760 -> 50:10.560] idea is that it's giving women the opportunity to showcase their abilities, to gain experience
[50:10.560 -> 50:15.800] in a competitive car where they can really show off what they can do, challenge for race
[50:15.800 -> 50:20.920] wins and also make connections with existing teams in Formula 2 and Formula 3 that they
[50:20.920 -> 50:28.480] can then exploit to further their careers in the future. Um, obviously W Series was an early step in that direction.
[50:28.760 -> 50:32.060] Um, but in my opinion, F1 Academy appears to just be a kind of
[50:32.060 -> 50:34.160] more streamlined version of that.
[50:34.460 -> 50:39.660] But I mean, going back to what Matt said, I will say it feels at the
[50:39.660 -> 50:43.140] moment, like a half step has been made and I obviously don't
[50:43.140 -> 50:44.580] know what's coming up next year.
[50:44.820 -> 50:46.100] Hopefully there'll be some broadcasting
[50:46.200 -> 50:48.500] where we can all actually watch these races.
[50:48.600 -> 50:51.940] But these races are commentated, they are filmed,
[50:52.040 -> 50:53.280] there are highlight shows,
[50:53.380 -> 50:55.740] and yet we're still not seeing it on our TV screens,
[50:55.840 -> 50:57.580] which I think is a really, really great shame,
[50:57.680 -> 50:58.820] because it would have been really nice
[50:58.920 -> 51:00.820] to see the series hit the ground running.
[51:02.780 -> 51:06.400] Well, I think I have some good news for you there because I
[51:06.400 -> 51:10.200] believe if I've understood the video I watched properly that
[51:10.200 -> 51:13.300] they will they will be joining in earnest the Formula One
[51:13.300 -> 51:18.200] calendar next season, but you mentioned W Series and this
[51:18.200 -> 51:21.100] series. It does feel like a half-step because I think it was
[51:21.100 -> 51:27.920] originally intended for a slightly different audience of drivers than W Series.
[51:27.920 -> 51:30.720] W Series used, if I'm remembering correctly,
[51:30.720 -> 51:33.080] a modified F3 car.
[51:33.080 -> 51:35.960] This is a modified F4 car from Tatus
[51:35.960 -> 51:40.760] with an inline four-cylinder turbocharged engine,
[51:40.760 -> 51:43.400] makes around 170 horsepower.
[51:43.400 -> 51:46.320] But what's different about it to the standard F4
[51:47.280 -> 51:52.880] is that it features fully adjustable front and rear suspension. So it's more of a learning
[51:52.880 -> 52:00.560] series and the age limit is 16 to 25. So this is a learning series for drivers to learn how
[52:00.560 -> 52:08.060] to set up cars at different tracks and to prepare them to race faster, more powerful cars.
[52:08.060 -> 52:10.680] Yeah, on the topic of the cars,
[52:10.680 -> 52:15.600] so they're racing in a Tata's Formula 4 T421 chassis,
[52:15.600 -> 52:19.800] which is the same chassis that was used in W Series.
[52:19.800 -> 52:23.400] However, this time they've got a different engine.
[52:23.400 -> 52:26.720] So, you know, Pirelli tyres, Tata chassis,
[52:26.720 -> 52:36.000] but the engine is Auto-Technica. It's an inline four turbocharged 1.4 litre. I think 0-100 is 3.6
[52:36.000 -> 52:44.160] seconds, 100 kilometres an hour. And horsepower difference to W Series is about 100 horsepower
[52:44.160 -> 52:46.320] difference. It's 100 less. So it is
[52:46.320 -> 52:51.520] slightly less powerful. So yeah, that goes back to the idea of it being a learning series. And I
[52:51.520 -> 52:57.200] guess the main difference that we can identify between W Series and F1 Academy is this is very
[52:57.200 -> 53:02.000] much a development academy. I mean, you know, it's in the name, it's for drivers to develop
[53:02.000 -> 53:11.440] their talents, to develop their abilities. Whereas W Series was almost an entity in its own right and it was almost like a a dead end. Well,
[53:11.440 -> 53:17.440] it proved to be a dead end in the end because if Jamie Chadwick can just keep winning it without
[53:17.440 -> 53:24.080] really getting an opportunity to progress, then it has it kind of strayed into that area, Matt,
[53:24.080 -> 53:25.480] where we were saying okay is
[53:25.480 -> 53:29.880] this about encouraging women in motorsport or is this about segregating
[53:29.880 -> 53:33.840] women off into their own championship and I think we hoped that it wouldn't be
[53:33.840 -> 53:40.080] the segregation route for women's motorsport. Whereas this is
[53:40.080 -> 53:45.000] much more embedded into the feeder stream of F1.
[53:45.000 -> 53:50.400] But I just kind of want to pay tribute to W Series for taking a step forward and doing it at least,
[53:50.400 -> 53:53.400] because they showed, look, they put, what, 20 women on the grid.
[53:53.400 -> 53:55.800] Oh, can you believe it? It wasn't a disaster.
[53:55.800 -> 53:59.000] There was actual racing and there was good racing, there was enjoyable racing.
[54:00.400 -> 54:03.800] Well, yeah, and I would even take minor exception.
[54:03.800 -> 54:11.600] I mean, yes, Chadwick didn't progress into F3 or F2, but she is now racing in Indy Lights,
[54:11.600 -> 54:19.120] so it's not like she came away with no opportunity relative to her domination of that championship.
[54:19.120 -> 54:28.400] But the good news, and I think you make this point very well, is that this series, F1 Academy, is integrated and is
[54:28.400 -> 54:35.600] fully a functional part of the larger Formula One entity, which means it will be enjoying a
[54:35.600 -> 54:41.040] different and better level of support, whereas the W Series, even though it was integrated with
[54:41.040 -> 54:45.220] the calendar, was from a separate sort of production company and
[54:45.220 -> 54:51.040] basis so I think the sponsorship guarantees will be better with this than
[54:51.040 -> 54:56.040] they were with W Series and we won't see it go away unless there is some other
[54:56.040 -> 55:01.660] better reason for it to. I'm actually pleased it's not being broadcast live
[55:01.660 -> 55:11.680] and I know there's a lot of disappointment people want to see it, but there's a lot of attention and excitement about it that is a little beyond the level of
[55:11.680 -> 55:17.120] driving that it's actually aimed at. And that is no offence to F1 Academy or the people featured
[55:17.120 -> 55:28.080] in it, but I don't remember a clamour for people demanding to see normal F4. So I do kind of, I wonder if we've, by not being able to
[55:28.080 -> 55:34.160] get the broadcast up and running, there's kind of like, they've spared it being a circus and people
[55:34.160 -> 55:38.960] kind of gathering around maybe for the wrong reasons whilst it gets settled. So I'm not
[55:38.960 -> 55:45.500] completely unhappy about them having a little bit of time to get bedded in, get completely comfortable with the series,
[55:45.500 -> 55:47.000] and then hit us in the face
[55:47.000 -> 55:51.320] with some live, polished production and formats next season.
[55:52.800 -> 55:55.980] I simultaneously agree and disagree.
[55:55.980 -> 55:57.560] Again, it's a half-step.
[55:57.560 -> 56:00.280] You know, these women are being told,
[56:00.280 -> 56:01.640] we're putting you in this series
[56:01.640 -> 56:04.240] to elevate your opportunity for sponsorships.
[56:04.240 -> 56:06.640] And yet it's not particularly appealing to a sponsor
[56:06.640 -> 56:13.340] If you're not getting any broadcast time, obviously delivery of these cars if it's plus your logos plastered all over a car
[56:13.960 -> 56:18.440] That's fair enough. But if nobody's seeing that logo on the car, you know, it's not particularly appealing
[56:18.760 -> 56:26.320] But also it feels a little bit insulting to say that these these drivers need some extra polishing time as in
[56:26.960 -> 56:31.520] they've had polishing time throughout their whole development and I know it wasn't meant in that
[56:31.520 -> 56:36.640] manner. I just quickly defend that I would be saying the same about you know men in F4 if they
[56:36.640 -> 56:41.040] were suddenly going to say right we're going to have live access to F4 and we're going to really
[56:41.040 -> 56:46.240] push it I would also be a bit concerned because I I don't know if you've ever sat and watched support series.
[56:46.240 -> 56:49.200] These are kids. These are 16-year-olds in these cars.
[56:49.200 -> 56:55.280] And it's scary. I was sat at Luffield for a six-hour WEC race,
[56:55.280 -> 56:56.720] six hours of Silverstone.
[56:56.720 -> 56:59.760] This single-seater comes flying into Luffield, into the barrier,
[56:59.760 -> 57:01.600] and goes, phew, that's a big hit.
[57:01.600 -> 57:04.000] And then when he steps out of the car and takes his helmet off,
[57:04.000 -> 57:09.320] it's a little kid. And it's literally a little kid and it's quite jarring to watch. So I
[57:09.320 -> 57:14.800] didn't, I meant to equalize what my experience and my expectations of other series didn't
[57:14.800 -> 57:16.880] mean it as an insult. Matt.
[57:16.880 -> 57:23.960] Well, but this series is very clearly aimed at drivers who are still learning their craft.
[57:23.960 -> 57:27.440] And in the sense that them not being sponsored on a
[57:27.440 -> 57:33.840] weekend broadcast and commented on like they are F1, I think that's a good thing for the
[57:35.760 -> 57:41.680] mental aspect of the drivers, because they can make mistakes. I mean, let's look at Ghazalie
[57:41.680 -> 57:48.080] and Red Bull, for example. He made some mistakes, the commentators seized on it, and in half a season, he was chucked
[57:48.080 -> 57:49.920] out of a team.
[57:49.920 -> 57:54.320] Here they can make a mistake, deal with the team, but they don't have the extra pressure.
[57:54.320 -> 58:00.360] There's a disproportionate amount of attention relative to the level of the series, because
[58:00.360 -> 58:03.360] it is all women, and people do want to see this.
[58:03.360 -> 58:07.800] They want to see this work, but that's a huge amount of extra pressure on a driver
[58:07.800 -> 58:10.200] that's still literally trying to learn their craft.
[58:11.400 -> 58:14.600] Yeah, I don't know.
[58:14.600 -> 58:20.100] It feels it feels rude to almost kind of bubble wrap these women, you know,
[58:20.100 -> 58:22.400] if I think I want to protect them from being judged.
[58:22.400 -> 58:25.120] No, the nature of development series is
[58:25.120 -> 58:28.640] that you know even in Formula 3 and Formula 2 there are constant mistakes, in Formula 1 there
[58:28.640 -> 58:32.800] are constant mistakes. Racing is a learning curve, it's an extreme sport, you don't always get it
[58:32.800 -> 58:40.400] right. However, of course these girls being female, they are open to a new level of scrutiny
[58:40.400 -> 58:46.200] that perhaps their male counterparts aren't open to in Formula 4. So protecting
[58:46.200 -> 58:53.440] them per se from online backlash after a serious incident by, you know, from little boys going,
[58:53.440 -> 58:58.400] oh yeah, no skill issue. They just clearly can't drive, you know, they're proving us
[58:58.400 -> 58:59.400] right.
[58:59.400 -> 59:01.480] That's a really good men impression.
[59:01.480 -> 59:07.120] Thank you. Yes. But I understand it. But also the scope for making
[59:07.120 -> 59:14.640] mistakes is there for any driver in any series. And I really don't think we it's productive
[59:14.640 -> 59:19.360] to bubble wrap these women, you know, but by exposing them to the same level of scrutiny
[59:19.360 -> 59:24.160] that we expose their male counterparts to in other series. I think it's fair almost
[59:24.160 -> 59:26.120] because we're saying you're deserving of your platform,
[59:26.120 -> 59:28.720] you're deserving of us being critical of you
[59:28.720 -> 59:31.320] because it's not a criticism on your ability as a driver,
[59:31.320 -> 59:35.280] it's just a criticism of, you know, it's constructive.
[59:35.280 -> 59:39.080] And I think by blocking off all possible negativity,
[59:39.080 -> 59:43.480] that speaks for itself almost.
[59:43.480 -> 59:44.740] Matt?
[59:44.740 -> 59:50.960] Well, I think what I was trying to speak of, to clarify my point a little bit, is that
[59:50.960 -> 59:58.040] we are preventing, or we are simply not implementing yet, an extra media feedback loop into the
[59:58.040 -> 59:59.200] driver criticism.
[59:59.200 -> 01:00:07.440] Obviously, the team itself, and we'll subject them to the amount of criticism any driver in a series like
[01:00:07.440 -> 01:00:12.720] that would be expected to be able to deal with in terms of telemetry, in terms of mistakes,
[01:00:12.720 -> 01:00:18.320] and so on and so forth. But the difference would be, I can, for example, did you know,
[01:00:18.320 -> 01:00:22.800] and you probably do because like you pay attention to these things, that the first driver ever to be
[01:00:22.800 -> 01:00:26.680] kicked out of a series for violating penalty points was an F2.
[01:00:26.680 -> 01:00:28.480] Most people wouldn't have even known that.
[01:00:28.480 -> 01:00:32.960] That's because most people don't pay attention to F2 because it's just part of the background
[01:00:32.960 -> 01:00:35.480] noise of a Formula One weekend.
[01:00:35.480 -> 01:00:40.100] This being a new thing and being all women will get a lot more attention, more attention
[01:00:40.100 -> 01:00:42.600] than F2 would in many weekends.
[01:00:42.600 -> 01:00:45.840] So I think Spanner's was, with this soft rollout,
[01:00:46.720 -> 01:00:51.520] they're getting a chance to be accustomed to working within the team without this extra media
[01:00:51.520 -> 01:00:58.560] feedback loop affecting them as well. So we're really agreeing, because I'm terrified of it.
[01:00:58.560 -> 01:01:03.120] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm telling you, it's scary. But also, Matt, like, we're middle-aged
[01:01:03.120 -> 01:01:10.340] men. So we are probably already have been accidentally sexist and will continue to accidentally be sexist during the rest
[01:01:10.340 -> 01:01:16.040] of this segment. Happy to hear, happy to correct myself, happy to learn. But the whole point
[01:01:16.040 -> 01:01:22.400] of this, Antonio, is that eventually there is a desire within F1 to see women racing
[01:01:22.400 -> 01:01:26.000] in Formula One. So I would be interested to know,
[01:01:26.000 -> 01:01:28.520] how likely do you think that is
[01:01:28.520 -> 01:01:31.760] and what are the main barriers to stopping that happening?
[01:01:33.680 -> 01:01:36.720] Okay, to address your first point,
[01:01:36.720 -> 01:01:40.560] a lot of these teams in F1 Academy are Formula 2,
[01:01:40.560 -> 01:01:42.320] Formula 3 teams with series
[01:01:42.320 -> 01:01:44.680] that feed into Formula 1 eventually.
[01:01:44.680 -> 01:01:50.580] So a lot of the drivers are already signed in driver academies that will, yeah, that
[01:01:50.580 -> 01:01:54.660] will hopefully lead to them, you know, academies like Alpine, which will then
[01:01:54.660 -> 01:01:58.380] lead to them progressing through the Formula Series and yeah, maybe one day
[01:01:58.380 -> 01:02:02.740] Formula 1 and I think that that's something that is unique to F1 Academy
[01:02:02.740 -> 01:02:04.540] that maybe W Series didn't offer.
[01:02:04.600 -> 01:02:06.240] And I think that that's something that is unique to F1 Academy that maybe W Series didn't offer.
[01:02:10.160 -> 01:02:10.200] Now, in terms of the barriers, gosh, they are innumerous.
[01:02:14.640 -> 01:02:20.040] Not only are these women young and therefore inexperienced and therefore prone to making mistakes, as every young driver is, but of course, because they are women, there is a bit of
[01:02:20.040 -> 01:02:22.120] social stigma around what they're doing.
[01:02:22.560 -> 01:02:24.080] And there's a lack of acceptance.
[01:02:24.120 -> 01:02:29.480] And there's also physical barriers because formulas two and then three and then they've
[01:02:29.480 -> 01:02:33.160] all got different regulations that present different physical challenges because
[01:02:33.160 -> 01:02:36.040] inherently these cars are built towards men's physiques.
[01:02:36.480 -> 01:02:39.680] And that's not necessarily me saying we should make it easier.
[01:02:39.960 -> 01:02:41.480] And that would mean that women can then do it.
[01:02:41.520 -> 01:02:46.480] That's not me saying that at all because F1 is the pinnacle of motorsports and it should stay that way.
[01:02:46.480 -> 01:02:49.700] But there are some inherent ways in which the car is built
[01:02:49.700 -> 01:02:52.080] that make it physically inaccessible for these girls,
[01:02:52.080 -> 01:02:54.820] especially given that they're young in their development,
[01:02:54.820 -> 01:02:56.060] they're not going to be as strong
[01:02:56.060 -> 01:02:58.480] as a 25-year-old woman would be,
[01:02:59.700 -> 01:03:00.520] that are gonna prevent them
[01:03:00.520 -> 01:03:03.420] from being able to drive a Formula 1 car.
[01:03:03.420 -> 01:03:10.680] And so, yeah, you're right, because motorsport has kind of evolved in a male dominated environment,
[01:03:10.680 -> 01:03:15.360] it's not really that you have to be really strong to drive a car because a lot of top
[01:03:15.360 -> 01:03:20.640] sports cars do have power steering, karting is relatively accessible from a strength point
[01:03:20.640 -> 01:03:25.680] of view, but it's never had to be a consideration. Because it is mostly young men
[01:03:25.680 -> 01:03:32.960] in the prime thrust of their youth and strength, they have just been able to develop cars not
[01:03:32.960 -> 01:03:37.680] thinking about it at all. But it is a design choice. So in Formula One, you know, Fernando
[01:03:37.680 -> 01:03:44.960] Alonso was talking about picking the strength of his wheel around how much feedback he wanted.
[01:03:44.960 -> 01:03:45.980] So really, the steering
[01:03:45.980 -> 01:03:50.760] wheel isn't something that you've got to wrestle and murder with your big man hands. It's a
[01:03:50.760 -> 01:03:56.200] tool to transfer the mechanical grip feeling to give information to a driver through their
[01:03:56.200 -> 01:04:02.580] hands. So, I mean, motorsport could make a choice to make steering wheels accessible
[01:04:02.580 -> 01:04:08.160] to most humans rather than just men and a few women in that demographic?
[01:04:09.120 -> 01:04:14.720] Well no, exactly and inherently of course, biologically yes, women aren't as strong as men,
[01:04:14.720 -> 01:04:19.760] that's never going to be something that is debatable. However there are some aspects of a
[01:04:19.760 -> 01:04:31.920] Formula 1 car or a Formula 2 and 3 car, where the smallest of tweaks, which would not impact car performance, would just make the car drivable for women. So the smallest
[01:04:31.920 -> 01:04:36.020] thing, for example, in Formulas Two and Three, you don't get to adjust the steering wheel.
[01:04:36.020 -> 01:04:39.360] All of the steering wheels are the same. In Formula One, you can adjust it to your heart's
[01:04:39.360 -> 01:04:41.720] content. In Formulas Two and Three, they're the same.
[01:04:41.720 -> 01:04:43.200] What kind of adjustment?
[01:04:43.200 -> 01:04:49.360] Well, in terms of the actual shape of the wheel, for example, where in Formula two and three they're the same. What kind of adjustment? Well in terms of the actual shape of the wheel for example where in formula two and three they have quite thick wheels and
[01:04:49.360 -> 01:04:52.880] drivers like Jamie Chadwick have said you know in formula one it's fair enough that you can
[01:04:52.880 -> 01:04:57.040] customize it but you can't in the development series which means that a thicker wheel which
[01:04:57.040 -> 01:05:03.200] is harder for smaller hands to grip it's it's the smallest thing but if that could be tweaked
[01:05:03.200 -> 01:05:09.920] it doesn't impact car performance just makes things more accessible for women. That doesn't feel like a big leap at all,
[01:05:09.920 -> 01:05:15.280] whereas at the moment we've almost accidentally in a position where cars are just have, you know,
[01:05:15.280 -> 01:05:19.840] the cars are like the water that's fit into the puddle. So, you know, a male-dominated sport is
[01:05:19.840 -> 01:05:26.000] the hole and the sport has just filled, you know, that hole. So it would take a mental change. And
[01:05:26.000 -> 01:05:31.600] since F1 does seem willing to do it, because they haven't done F1 Academy just for the
[01:05:31.600 -> 01:05:37.640] hell of it, they've got a bit of time. So if you look at this crop of basically F4 level
[01:05:37.640 -> 01:05:43.040] drivers or below, because the current pool of women wanting to do motorsport is smaller,
[01:05:43.040 -> 01:05:49.200] I don't think that's controversial, so they will have had to stretch their net further to fill the F1 academy.
[01:05:49.760 -> 01:05:53.520] Please, oh if that's insulting, please, please, I think I'm speaking mathematics here.
[01:05:54.720 -> 01:06:00.160] They've got time before that produces talent going into F3, F2, do you think they will make
[01:06:00.160 -> 01:06:04.320] these moves? I know you've mentioned hip shape for seats for example.
[01:06:04.400 -> 01:06:05.680] make these moves? I know you've mentioned a hip shape for seats, for example.
[01:06:08.800 -> 01:06:11.640] Yeah, so again, seats can be customized to the driver. They are in almost every racing series.
[01:06:11.640 -> 01:06:13.720] You get your racing seat molded to your body.
[01:06:14.240 -> 01:06:20.120] Very basic. But the cockpit itself, the cockpit tub can be quite narrow, which makes it
[01:06:20.680 -> 01:06:27.280] not possible to sit in comfortably at all or effectively and in a drivable way to women
[01:06:27.280 -> 01:06:30.460] with wider hips. Again, this is something that drivers like Jamie Chadwick have picked
[01:06:30.460 -> 01:06:34.620] up on as barriers. So these aren't theoretical things that we're plucking out of thin air.
[01:06:34.620 -> 01:06:37.620] And again, smallest tweaks can have the biggest impact.
[01:06:37.620 -> 01:06:42.580] So I know we're going to talk about some of the absolutely horrid comments that you got
[01:06:42.580 -> 01:06:45.280] on your TikTok video, which frankly made, they were an
[01:06:45.280 -> 01:06:52.160] embarrassment to men in general. But when you say accessibility, they were trying to kind of
[01:06:52.160 -> 01:06:59.120] interpret that as if, as if almost as if we're doing women a favor by by dumbing down F1. At
[01:06:59.120 -> 01:07:04.800] its core, there's no reason for racing to be strength dominated or purely to be some kind,
[01:07:04.800 -> 01:07:06.120] it's not a workout,
[01:07:06.120 -> 01:07:07.520] it's not circuit training,
[01:07:07.520 -> 01:07:10.480] it's the skill of getting a machine around a corner
[01:07:10.480 -> 01:07:12.620] and you can make that machine be however you want.
[01:07:12.620 -> 01:07:15.120] But when you talk about accessibility,
[01:07:15.120 -> 01:07:20.120] it really is just considering a broader demographic of human.
[01:07:21.000 -> 01:07:22.800] And this is something that, by the way,
[01:07:22.800 -> 01:07:25.360] military does since we've had more women
[01:07:25.360 -> 01:07:30.760] in the military. Now, when things are being designed for weapons, instead of saying, okay,
[01:07:30.760 -> 01:07:35.880] a third percentile male to a 10th percentile male will be able to fit in this thing, they've
[01:07:35.880 -> 01:07:40.480] just expanded that to include women. And since it's been designed from the ground up, that
[01:07:40.480 -> 01:07:45.240] hasn't cost any more. It hasn't made more things explode. So it just has to start
[01:07:45.240 -> 01:07:51.040] in the design process. From a social point of view, I haven't ever been a little girl
[01:07:51.040 -> 01:07:59.960] growing up. But I do wonder if there's a core base of young women and girls who want to
[01:07:59.960 -> 01:08:05.480] get into motorsport. Even once we start seeing role models, is there an inherent limit? And
[01:08:05.480 -> 01:08:11.320] it's a big social question, but is there an inherent limit to the enthusiasm? Obviously,
[01:08:11.320 -> 01:08:14.640] I agree that everyone who wants to get into motorsport should have the opportunity to
[01:08:14.640 -> 01:08:19.600] do so. But I think, are you not fighting a bit of a losing battle just by the will of
[01:08:19.600 -> 01:08:21.160] what people will choose to do?
[01:08:21.160 -> 01:08:27.760] A little bit, yeah. I mean, obviously, stereotypes come from somewhere. 50% of girls are probably
[01:08:27.760 -> 01:08:33.040] going to look at cars and go, ew. But what's important is that we don't ignore the other
[01:08:33.040 -> 01:08:40.700] 50% who, like myself, would live and breathe off of engine fumes. You know, it's really
[01:08:40.700 -> 01:08:45.400] difficult because especially in younger girls where we see developmentally,
[01:08:45.400 -> 01:08:48.180] there are challenges compared to male counterparts,
[01:08:48.180 -> 01:08:51.380] physically for example, getting into formula racing.
[01:08:51.380 -> 01:08:52.840] As a younger woman,
[01:08:52.840 -> 01:08:55.320] you're obviously not going to be as strong as 16
[01:08:55.320 -> 01:08:57.780] as a boy is at 16,
[01:08:57.780 -> 01:08:59.440] which means that automatically
[01:08:59.440 -> 01:09:00.980] you're gonna be put off at the thought of it
[01:09:00.980 -> 01:09:02.840] because you think, well, there's just no point
[01:09:02.840 -> 01:09:11.600] in racing a car where I can't pull the strength of the G's but my best mate Brian can. I mean it is a big old ship to
[01:09:11.600 -> 01:09:18.880] turn around Antonia. Oh absolutely and I think F1 Academy and just having female role models is such
[01:09:18.880 -> 01:09:26.160] a fantastic place to start because if there are women out there doing it, that will of course inspire younger
[01:09:26.160 -> 01:09:32.140] girls to know that they can also do it. However, the issue is until there are enough women
[01:09:32.140 -> 01:09:37.880] doing it that prove wrong all of the people who say that women can't, there's not going
[01:09:37.880 -> 01:09:46.360] to be enough traction on something like this. If girls my age even, in know, if, if girls my age, even, you know, in their teenage years are
[01:09:46.360 -> 01:09:50.520] being told by their guy mates, the kind of things that I'm being told in my comments,
[01:09:50.520 -> 01:09:54.640] which is women can't drive, women aren't psychologically capable, women aren't strong
[01:09:54.640 -> 01:09:59.520] enough, or there's no curbs, you should be all right, you know, it's that that's not
[01:09:59.520 -> 01:10:07.040] going to do much. So, and I think until we have a fully integrated success rate of women racing cars and racing
[01:10:07.040 -> 01:10:12.960] cars well, I don't think there's a lot that can be done to tackle it, which is why F1
[01:10:12.960 -> 01:10:13.960] Academy is so great.
[01:10:13.960 -> 01:10:19.140] I suppose we should tackle the elephant in the room, which is just the core misogyny
[01:10:19.140 -> 01:10:22.920] that exists in society, which reared its head in your comments.
[01:10:22.920 -> 01:10:27.800] And by the way, I'm so sorry that you have to deal with like the weight of comments that
[01:10:27.800 -> 01:10:29.760] you had to deal with on that video.
[01:10:29.760 -> 01:10:35.480] The reason we don't have live YouTube chat is nearly entirely because of misogynistic
[01:10:35.480 -> 01:10:36.480] abuse.
[01:10:36.480 -> 01:10:40.160] Every time we have a woman on, it just makes our live chat a disgusting place to be.
[01:10:40.160 -> 01:10:43.440] So we just went, it's easy just to turn it off and have it in our patron group.
[01:10:43.440 -> 01:10:47.720] But with challenging misogyny in the spirit of that,
[01:10:47.720 -> 01:10:50.440] do you want to share some of those delightful comments?
[01:10:51.360 -> 01:10:54.920] I will start by saying, in this situation,
[01:10:54.920 -> 01:10:56.560] I as a girl cannot win.
[01:10:56.560 -> 01:10:59.200] No matter how I respond to these comments,
[01:10:59.200 -> 01:11:04.200] I'm either angry and moody or I'm being walked all over.
[01:11:04.220 -> 01:11:07.220] So I will say when responding to a lot of these comments,
[01:11:07.220 -> 01:11:09.520] I had to physically hold myself back
[01:11:09.520 -> 01:11:12.380] from absolutely violating these boys
[01:11:12.380 -> 01:11:14.820] and their mothers in the comment sections.
[01:11:14.820 -> 01:11:15.660] Oh boy.
[01:11:17.100 -> 01:11:20.420] Because of course that would be impulsive and hysterical
[01:11:20.420 -> 01:11:22.660] and goodness forbid, but no.
[01:11:22.660 -> 01:11:28.200] So of course there are the classic misogynistic comments, you know, oh my God, shut the F
[01:11:28.200 -> 01:11:29.200] up.
[01:11:29.200 -> 01:11:30.360] Women don't have the mindset to do it.
[01:11:30.360 -> 01:11:31.880] They're too fragile.
[01:11:31.880 -> 01:11:36.560] I'm looking forward to F1 cars with park sensors and illuminated makeup mirrors.
[01:11:36.560 -> 01:11:40.840] F1 is an elite motorsport, not a Disney movie.
[01:11:40.840 -> 01:11:48.360] And I think the idea that even the concept of a woman driving a car is likened to a fairy
[01:11:48.360 -> 01:11:51.520] tale. Oh my gosh, it just makes me feel unwell.
[01:11:51.520 -> 01:11:56.600] I would love to just take these comments, go to their family dinners and show these
[01:11:56.600 -> 01:12:02.360] comments to their mothers because they would fold. They would fold if that happened. Let's
[01:12:02.360 -> 01:12:06.080] be clear, these people are cowards. But the thing that worries
[01:12:06.080 -> 01:12:10.880] me Matt is that as soon as you do get a woman rising through the junior series ranks and
[01:12:10.880 -> 01:12:16.440] on the verge of Formula One, everything she does is going to get picked apart. If the
[01:12:16.440 -> 01:12:21.820] media decide, and the media I believe at the moment, especially in the UK, are broadly
[01:12:21.820 -> 01:12:26.720] run by a bunch of raging, greedy bigots. If they decide to get
[01:12:26.720 -> 01:12:31.440] their teeth... Oh, sorry, should I have not said that? Oh, no, the media's brilliant. No, they're
[01:12:31.440 -> 01:12:35.920] brilliant. They definitely haven't destroyed our country from the inside out with their bigoted
[01:12:35.920 -> 01:12:40.720] garbage. But if they get their claws into and decide they don't like, you know, a woman who's
[01:12:40.720 -> 01:12:49.120] coming through for any number of spurious reasons, you could really see them facing pressures that young male drivers just don't get.
[01:12:49.120 -> 01:12:52.120] Well, yeah, you can.
[01:12:52.120 -> 01:12:59.060] And but what I love most is there are, in almost every instance, real world counter
[01:12:59.060 -> 01:13:02.480] examples to every single one of these comments.
[01:13:02.480 -> 01:13:06.040] Now, you are slightly younger than me.
[01:13:06.040 -> 01:13:07.040] Lose.
[01:13:07.040 -> 01:13:08.040] Both of you.
[01:13:08.040 -> 01:13:09.040] On more, nearer, I'm telling you.
[01:13:09.040 -> 01:13:13.560] But I'm sure Spanish remembers, do you remember my standing of Simona De Silvestro?
[01:13:13.560 -> 01:13:16.400] Yeah, I do.
[01:13:16.400 -> 01:13:23.120] And she got a test with Sauber, was allegedly quick, but we never saw the numbers, but couldn't
[01:13:23.120 -> 01:13:29.000] pony up the sponsorship, wound up in IndyCarCar where she had a podium, by the way.
[01:13:29.000 -> 01:13:31.000] But do you know what her nickname was?
[01:13:31.000 -> 01:13:32.000] Gollum.
[01:13:32.000 -> 01:13:33.000] Well, she had two.
[01:13:33.000 -> 01:13:40.000] One of them was Iron Maiden because she had a crash, burned her hand, got back in the car, and finished in the top 10.
[01:13:40.000 -> 01:13:52.000] So, to me, like, what more could you ask? There's all the proof you should ever need that women are utterly capable in any circumstance of competing at that level,
[01:13:52.000 -> 01:13:55.000] regardless of whatever words other people want to say.
[01:13:55.000 -> 01:13:59.000] But it's a baked in societal problem. You're right about that.
[01:13:59.000 -> 01:14:02.000] And I suspect it always will be to a certain extent.
[01:14:02.000 -> 01:14:04.000] What was the other nickname?
[01:14:04.000 -> 01:14:07.200] Swiss Miss, because she is from Switzerland.
[01:14:07.200 -> 01:14:08.600] Well, at least it rhymes.
[01:14:10.200 -> 01:14:13.500] Oh, the creativity of bigots never fails to astound me.
[01:14:13.500 -> 01:14:18.700] No, there's a really fascinating and incredible woman called
[01:14:18.700 -> 01:14:20.900] Michelle Gatting and she's raced in WEC.
[01:14:20.900 -> 01:14:24.700] She's done all sorts with a team called Iron Maidens and it's
[01:14:24.700 -> 01:14:26.160] a women's team. She
[01:14:26.160 -> 01:14:34.640] actually explains within racing the level of kind of, it feels like egotism and just
[01:14:34.640 -> 01:14:40.560] not wanting to be beaten by a woman. So these issues aren't just society wide, but within
[01:14:40.560 -> 01:14:46.400] the sport as well. She explains situations where she'd be coming through the pack and people not
[01:14:46.400 -> 01:14:47.960] even racing in her series.
[01:14:47.960 -> 01:14:52.280] So, you know, letting her through would not disadvantage them in any way, would actually
[01:14:52.280 -> 01:14:58.080] start getting defensive to stop her from overtaking them just because they saw a pink car
[01:14:58.080 -> 01:15:01.640] approaching behind and then would let other people through again.
[01:15:01.680 -> 01:15:03.120] They weren't racing against each other.
[01:15:03.120 -> 01:15:04.840] They just didn't want to let a woman past.
[01:15:01.300 -> 01:15:03.200] let other people through. Again, they weren't racing against each other,
[01:15:03.200 -> 01:15:05.480] they just didn't want to let a woman pass.
[01:15:05.480 -> 01:15:08.660] And there is such, oh, it's so frustrating
[01:15:08.660 -> 01:15:10.460] because like I said, there is no correct way
[01:15:10.460 -> 01:15:12.340] for girls to respond to this,
[01:15:12.340 -> 01:15:15.900] because me, for example, with my audience,
[01:15:15.900 -> 01:15:19.220] it's 90% male, that's just the nature of motorsports
[01:15:19.220 -> 01:15:20.060] at the moment.
[01:15:20.060 -> 01:15:21.820] I've got such a great female following
[01:15:21.820 -> 01:15:24.060] who was so supportive and share the same sentiments
[01:15:24.060 -> 01:15:30.360] as myself, but it's majority male. And I know that if I don't want to lose about 25% of
[01:15:30.360 -> 01:15:36.000] those followers, I have to be very careful how I respond to things and comment on things
[01:15:36.000 -> 01:15:44.080] so that I don't get labelled as a crazy feminist and, you know, cast into the back room of
[01:15:44.080 -> 01:15:46.760] TikTok never to be seen or heard from again.
[01:15:46.760 -> 01:15:51.760] If I'm having a bad day on social media and people are being rude to me, you know, I do
[01:15:51.760 -> 01:15:55.960] often like flip them off and go, oh, bug off, you bunch of turnips. The response to you
[01:15:55.960 -> 01:15:59.560] doing that would be completely different. And that is, you know, part of this inherent
[01:15:59.560 -> 01:16:04.000] misogyny. I think we will just need to, you know, as a society, you're going to have to
[01:16:04.000 -> 01:16:09.480] fight the same fight that you're fighting on every topic out there at the moment when
[01:16:09.480 -> 01:16:13.080] it comes to what is what will basically be a culture war.
[01:16:13.080 -> 01:16:18.320] I completely agree. And I think the likelihood of seeing women competitively racing as equals
[01:16:18.320 -> 01:16:27.200] in F1 against men and not as tokens at the moment looks very low. And I think the way, the roots to challenging that
[01:16:27.200 -> 01:16:29.560] is making sure that in our younger generations
[01:16:29.560 -> 01:16:32.840] we're completely eliminating these barriers
[01:16:32.840 -> 01:16:33.960] that we've discussed today.
[01:16:33.960 -> 01:16:37.040] So, you know, obviously on my TikTok,
[01:16:37.040 -> 01:16:38.600] I would say TikTok's audience generally
[01:16:38.600 -> 01:16:39.680] is a very young audience.
[01:16:39.680 -> 01:16:42.020] You know, you're looking at teenagers, young adults,
[01:16:42.020 -> 01:16:44.840] there's the occasional, you know, your age,
[01:16:44.840 -> 01:16:45.080] which is of course still a young adult. looking at teenagers, young adults, there's the occasional, you know, your age, which
[01:16:45.080 -> 01:16:47.040] is of course still a young adult.
[01:16:47.040 -> 01:16:52.880] To be honest, that ship has sailed, Antonia, don't try and rescue that one.
[01:16:52.880 -> 01:16:56.960] But the comments that I was receiving on my video, the vile comments were still coming
[01:16:56.960 -> 01:17:07.600] from 12, 13 year old boys, you know, and until we actually have young people believing that, yeah, girls can race in F1, there is
[01:17:07.600 -> 01:17:15.080] actually no physical reason why they shouldn't be, and competitively doing so, I don't think
[01:17:15.080 -> 01:17:19.040] we're going to be able to make any change because it's very clear that the same attitudes
[01:17:19.040 -> 01:17:26.080] that we call archaic and we call dated are still being expressed by young people.
[01:17:26.080 -> 01:17:33.840] Well, young people of that age particularly love vile comments, I will just say. As someone
[01:17:33.840 -> 01:17:42.660] who has taught kids that age, it is just a true thing. But the focus right now is on
[01:17:42.660 -> 01:17:56.000] sort of a step or two or three ahead of where people start. I would love to see the money spent to, say, double the amount of female participation in carting at an early, early age.
[01:17:56.000 -> 01:18:07.680] I think if you double female participation, you greatly increase chances of seeing someone competitive. But I also pedantically want to mention that we're talking
[01:18:07.680 -> 01:18:13.840] about modern Formula One here. There has already been a woman and women in Formula One and in other
[01:18:13.840 -> 01:18:19.280] series, including IndyCar, Indy 500, having a particularly rich history of women competing
[01:18:19.280 -> 01:18:25.000] and being competitive. It's modern Formula One that we're having the issue with right now.
[01:18:25.000 -> 01:18:28.760] And I think while it's great to have these feeder series,
[01:18:28.760 -> 01:18:33.760] really, if we could put the attention on the very, very beginnings and encourage more
[01:18:33.760 -> 01:18:39.200] girls to participate at a very young age in karting, make that possible,
[01:18:39.200 -> 01:18:43.120] easy and cheap for them so that they have no excuse not to,
[01:18:43.120 -> 01:18:46.120] then you're going to see a real change.
[01:18:47.240 -> 01:18:48.080] I agree.
[01:18:48.080 -> 01:18:51.040] And bringing it back to F1 Academy, W Series,
[01:18:51.040 -> 01:18:52.880] these all women series that are designed
[01:18:52.880 -> 01:18:54.880] to give women a platform,
[01:18:54.880 -> 01:18:58.520] this is why that their success is so important
[01:18:58.520 -> 01:19:01.880] and why we need to be encouraging the broadcast,
[01:19:01.880 -> 01:19:03.960] encouraging people to watch it, to get involved.
[01:19:03.960 -> 01:19:10.960] That's why it's so great that F1 are pouring funding into initiatives like this, because that is how we're
[01:19:10.960 -> 01:19:20.400] going to see change. And that's all we've got time for this week. We'll see you for the Monaco
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