Monaco GP 2023 F1 race review

Jonathan ‘Jonno’ Simon and Trumpets are joined by Kyle ‘Edgy’ Power and Dutch journalist Jules Seegers as they look at all the angles from the helicopter shots. From driver discussions to audience attention spans, from Max the media star to whether Liberty needs a Lewis win, no boundary layer goes uncalculated in this, the latest episode of Missed Apex Podcast. 

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Here's a detailed summary of the Missed Apex podcast episode: "Slippery When Wet":

**Introduction:**

* The podcast begins with a discussion about the Monaco Grand Prix, which took place on the same day as the Indy 500 and the Missed Apex 24-hour Enduro.
* The hosts, Jonathan Simon, Matt Trumpets, Kyle Power, and Jules Seegers, express their excitement for the race, despite its reputation for being uneventful.

**Race Review:**

* The hosts analyze the various factors that contributed to the thrilling Monaco Grand Prix, including strategy, rain, and driver mistakes.
* They discuss the strategic decisions made by the teams, particularly Aston Martin's controversial pit stop strategy for Fernando Alonso.
* The hosts also highlight the impressive qualifying lap by Max Verstappen, which they believe was one of the best they've ever seen.

**Tire Strategy:**

* The hosts delve into the complex tire strategy employed by the teams during the race, with a focus on the different tire compounds and their impact on performance.
* They discuss the challenges faced by drivers on the medium tires, which were more susceptible to graining and wear.
* The hosts also analyze the decision by some teams to start on the soft tires in anticipation of rain, which ultimately proved to be a successful strategy.

**Fernando Alonso's Potential Victory:**

* The hosts debate whether Fernando Alonso could have won the race if Aston Martin had made different strategic decisions.
* They discuss Alonso's strong performance in qualifying and his ability to maintain a competitive pace on the hard tires.
* The hosts conclude that Aston Martin missed an opportunity to secure a victory for Alonso, who hasn't won a race in Formula One since 2013.

**Mercedes' Upgrades:**

* The hosts briefly discuss Mercedes' heavily anticipated upgrades, which were introduced at the Monaco Grand Prix.
* They express cautious optimism about the potential impact of the upgrades on Mercedes' performance, but acknowledge that it's too early to make any definitive judgments.

**Overall Thoughts:**

* The hosts conclude the podcast by praising the Monaco Grand Prix for delivering an exciting and unpredictable race, despite its reputation for being boring.
* They emphasize the importance of strategy, luck, and driver skill in Formula One, and express their anticipation for the upcoming races.

**Key Points:**

* The Monaco Grand Prix was a thrilling race with a variety of strategic decisions, rain, and driver mistakes.
* Aston Martin's pit stop strategy for Fernando Alonso was controversial, and many believe it cost him the race.
* Max Verstappen's qualifying lap was one of the best ever seen, showcasing his incredible skill and the Red Bull team's dominance.
* The tire strategy played a crucial role in the race, with teams having to carefully manage their tires to avoid graining and wear.
* Fernando Alonso could have potentially won the race if Aston Martin had made different strategic decisions, but the team missed an opportunity to secure a victory for him.
* Mercedes' heavily anticipated upgrades were introduced at the Monaco Grand Prix, but it's too early to determine their impact on the team's performance. ## Missed Apex Podcast Episode Transcription
**Summary**

The Missed Apex podcast crew discusses the 2023 Monaco Grand Prix, focusing on key moments, driver performances, and strategic decisions.

**Key Moments and Controversies**

* **Alonso vs. Verstappen Pit Stop:** The pivotal moment of the race was the pit stop decision for Fernando Alonso and Max Verstappen. Alonso pitted for the intermediate tires one lap before Verstappen, and many believe that had Alonso stayed out on the track for one more lap, he would have gained a significant advantage and potentially won the race.

* **Russell's Mistake:** George Russell made a costly error when he locked up his brakes while exiting the pits on intermediate tires, dropping him down the order and costing him a podium finish.

* **Sainz's Frustration:** Carlos Sainz was visibly frustrated with Ferrari's strategic decisions during the race. He felt that the team should have kept him out on track longer on the hard tires, rather than pitting him for the medium tires.

* **Gasly's Performance:** Pierre Gasly had a solid race, finishing in the points, but was overshadowed by his teammate Esteban Ocon's podium finish.

**Key Insights and Perspectives**

* **The Importance of Patience at Monaco:** The Monaco Grand Prix is known for its tight and narrow circuit, which makes it difficult to overtake. As a result, patience is key, and drivers often need to wait for the right moment to make a move.

* **The Role of Strategy:** Strategy plays a crucial role in the Monaco Grand Prix, as teams need to make the right decisions regarding tire choice and pit stops. The ability to adapt to changing conditions and make quick decisions can be the difference between success and failure.

* **The Mental Challenge of Monaco:** The Monaco Grand Prix is a mentally challenging race for drivers, as they need to maintain focus and composure in the face of intense pressure and unpredictable conditions.

**Overall Message**

The 2023 Monaco Grand Prix was a thrilling and unpredictable race that showcased the importance of patience, strategy, and mental toughness in Formula One racing. **Summary: Missed Apex Podcast Episode on Monaco Grand Prix**

In this episode of the Missed Apex Podcast, hosts Jonathan ‘Jonno’ Simon, Trumpets, Kyle ‘Edgy’ Power, and Dutch journalist Jules Seegers discuss the Monaco Grand Prix and other Formula One-related topics.

**Key Insights, Perspectives, and Controversies:**

* Mercedes brought upgrades to the Monaco Grand Prix, but it is difficult to tell their effectiveness due to the unique characteristics of the track. The team hopes to see a clearer picture of the upgrades' impact at the Spanish Grand Prix.

* The drivers struggled with setup issues in Monaco, particularly Lewis Hamilton, who admitted to making the wrong setup choices. This highlights the challenge of finding the right setup with limited testing and simulation tools.

* Logan Sargent, the Williams rookie, faced a difficult race in Monaco, being involved in several on-track scraps and struggling with tire management. The hosts discuss the challenges faced by rookie drivers in Formula One, including limited testing opportunities and intense pressure.

* The race in Monaco was notable for the absence of a safety car, despite the challenging conditions and incidents on track. The hosts praise Formula One and the race direction for allowing the race to continue without unnecessary interruptions.

**Important Quotes and Statements:**

* "It's almost impossible to tell [how effective the Mercedes upgrades were]. The only way you can tell is how happy did the drivers seem in some of the interviews afterwards." - Matt Trumpets

* "And I think Hamilton after the race said that he found the car to be pretty stiff, but he sounded very upbeat about exploring the development of this car." - Jules Seegers

* "I'm actually looking at this not as an upgrade, as a reset. They are essentially resetting the direction they're going in." - Kyle Power

* "Logan Sargent managed to get it to the chequered flag. Yeah, yeah. I must say I had a bit of an eye out for him to see. I always like to see what rookies do on a track like this, because it's so demanding." - Jules Seegers

* "I just thought it was crazy. But guaranteed, I'm lucky I didn't look at my betting app too much before this because there's usually a bet, will there be a safety car, yes or no? And it's like free money, just free, just to put money on that and really, really happy I didn't go down that route." - Kyle Power

**Overall Message and Takeaway:**

The Monaco Grand Prix was a challenging race that tested the skills and resilience of the drivers. The absence of a safety car was a positive development, allowing the race to run without unnecessary interruptions. The hosts also highlight the challenges faced by rookie drivers in Formula One and the importance of providing them with more testing opportunities. Sure, here is a detailed summary of the podcast episode:

**Introduction**

* The hosts, Jonathan 'Jonno' Simon, Trumpets, Kyle 'Edgy' Power, and Dutch journalist Jules Seegers, discuss the helicopter shots at Monaco, which they believe were used for the first time during FOM's coverage of the race.
* They also discuss the lack of safety cars at the Monaco Grand Prix, with the last one occurring in 2021 and the one before that in 2009, both of which were held in dry conditions.

**Things of the Weekend**

* Nick De Vries' performance is praised, with the hosts noting his solid weekend and ability to keep the car out of trouble, despite driving for the worst Alfa Tauri/Toro Rosso in recent history.
* Esteban Ocon's third-place finish is also highlighted, with credit given to the team for delivering on their promise to fight for third fastest team.
* The crane footage of the cars' floors is mentioned as a positive, as it provides technical insights that are not normally available.

**Bad Things of the Weekend**

* Ferrari's continued strategic errors are criticized, with the hosts noting that the team has become a soft target for criticism in this area.
* Sergio Perez's aggressive driving is also criticized, with the hosts suggesting that he should be more mindful of the fact that he is racing on a street circuit.
* Aston Martin's struggles are discussed, with the hosts expressing concern that the team's best days may be behind them, despite their early-season advantage over Mercedes.

**Conclusion**

* The hosts wrap up the podcast by discussing the upcoming Spanish Grand Prix and their plans for midweek shows.

**Additional Notes**

* Timestamps for each section of the podcast are included in the transcript.
* The hosts' social media handles are:
* Matt Trumpets: @mattpt55 on Twitter and Mastodon
* Jonathan Simon: @jonnyess8 on Twitter and Instagram
* Kyle Power: @KylePowerF1 on Twitter
* Jules Seegers: @JulesSeegers on Twitter

**Overall Message**

The overall message of the podcast is that the Monaco Grand Prix was an exciting race with some positive and negative aspects. The hosts provide their insights and opinions on the key moments of the race, while also discussing some of the broader issues facing Formula One.

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[01:33.160 -> 01:36.120] You are listening to missed a patch podcast.
[01:36.760 -> 01:53.320] We live at one. Welcome to Missed Apex Podcast.
[01:53.320 -> 01:57.580] The title of today's show is Slippery When Wet.
[01:57.580 -> 01:59.920] That was sent in by John Rolfs on Twitter.
[01:59.920 -> 02:05.200] I'm your host Jonathan Simon, stepping in for Spanners today and being the Monaco Grand
[02:05.200 -> 02:10.600] Prix it's only fitting you join the crown jewel of F1 podcasts.
[02:10.600 -> 02:17.560] Normally Monaco is associated with that typical progressive race, safety cars, a lack of overtaking,
[02:17.560 -> 02:23.360] one of the longest races of the year but this year the jewel just seemed to shine bright.
[02:23.360 -> 02:25.760] Despite it falling on the same day as the Indy 500,
[02:25.760 -> 02:28.160] which it always does, usually in history,
[02:28.160 -> 02:31.100] and the same weekend as the missed Apex 24-hour Enduro,
[02:31.100 -> 02:32.520] we all know you were tuning into that
[02:32.520 -> 02:33.840] over the weekend too,
[02:33.840 -> 02:37.160] Monaco's 2023 edition was a race to remember.
[02:37.160 -> 02:39.240] And I think it had a little bit of everything,
[02:39.240 -> 02:41.140] well, except ironically, no safety car.
[02:41.140 -> 02:44.240] But apart from that, it literally had everything
[02:44.240 -> 02:46.160] about what Grand Prix racing
[02:46.160 -> 02:52.080] is all about. So let's dive in and unravel this ball of string but first I'll remind you,
[02:52.080 -> 02:57.760] you are, we are an independent podcast produced in the podcasting shed with the kind permission
[02:57.760 -> 03:02.720] of our better halves. We aim to bring you a race review before your Monday morning commutes.
[03:02.720 -> 03:05.040] We might be wrong but we're first.
[03:10.400 -> 03:16.400] Of course, as always, we're joined by a panel of experts, the superstars of Mist Apex. The
[03:16.400 -> 03:21.440] number one driver, first up, the man most likely satisfied after the race weekend,
[03:21.440 -> 03:25.600] probably due to the fact that almost every tyre compound received
[03:25.600 -> 03:26.800] a little bit of love.
[03:26.800 -> 03:27.800] It's Matt Trumpets.
[03:27.800 -> 03:28.800] Boring.
[03:28.800 -> 03:30.560] Top three finished where they started.
[03:30.560 -> 03:32.760] Why should I watch?
[03:32.760 -> 03:37.440] And fresh off no sleep after racing in Miss Tapex's 24-hour enduro, much like the rest
[03:37.440 -> 03:42.880] of our crew, very, very tired, say hello to Kyle Power.
[03:42.880 -> 03:46.720] That was a Monaco Grand Prix that I thoroughly enjoyed for a change.
[03:46.720 -> 03:50.480] I enjoyed it too and former F1 reporter I think enjoyed it too.
[03:50.480 -> 03:53.760] His name is Jules Seegers from the beautiful party country of the Netherlands.
[03:53.760 -> 03:55.560] How's it going over there Jules?
[03:55.560 -> 03:58.400] Yes, yes, beautiful party country.
[03:58.400 -> 04:04.520] Going great and keeping half an eye on the Indy 500 where I just saw a car going upside
[04:04.520 -> 04:06.720] down so yeah, up for it.
[04:08.080 -> 04:12.880] Well, the race review coming up for this Monaco race review for the Missed Apex podcast.
[04:12.880 -> 04:18.000] We'll discuss a few things. What might have been, could Fernando Alonso won this race?
[04:18.000 -> 04:22.640] Had Aston Martin made the right decision in their pit stops? We'll unravel what went on
[04:22.640 -> 04:25.360] when the heavens opened. There was lots of chaos. I don't
[04:25.360 -> 04:32.080] know if you saw the track got very very wet and our panel give their early review on Mercedes heavily
[04:32.080 -> 04:33.840] anticipated upgrade.
[04:41.040 -> 04:48.500] So of course let's kick it off with probably the biggest ticket item is the perfect cocktail that Monaco was.
[04:48.500 -> 04:53.340] I think, Matt, for this race, you take Monaco in general and you always think,
[04:53.340 -> 04:55.620] okay, so what did we need for a good Monaco race?
[04:55.620 -> 04:58.340] We had great strategy, rain to mix things up.
[04:58.620 -> 05:04.060] We had a chaos sort of driver in terms of Lance Stroll giving us some entertainment here and there.
[05:04.180 -> 05:08.160] But not to mention an awesome qualifying session that went nip and
[05:08.160 -> 05:13.560] tuck right down to the final moments. Well yeah and this is this is the thing
[05:13.560 -> 05:18.480] I want everyone to go back onto the internet in the Wayback Machine and look
[05:18.480 -> 05:23.400] at everything they've written about how boring Formula One was in the last races
[05:23.400 -> 05:26.960] watch this race and realize that there's always an
[05:26.960 -> 05:33.840] element of luck. And if Monaco isn't, is rarely the greatest race, if it suffers from having,
[05:33.840 -> 05:39.040] or gains from having the lowest bar of expectations we could possibly manage,
[05:39.040 -> 05:46.560] it does remind us that gambling, strategy, and luck, things that are beyond even the most well-resourced Formula
[05:46.560 -> 05:52.000] One team, are always going to be the things that make racing worth watching. It's fun to pick apart
[05:52.000 -> 05:58.880] a chess match, but for sheer chaos, it's also highly entertaining. Well, you say the word gambling,
[05:58.880 -> 06:03.200] and if you're going to talk about that, Monaco is probably the perfect place for it, Kyle. You talk
[06:03.200 -> 06:05.040] about a racetrack that is
[06:11.280 -> 06:16.320] around with barriers right up close to the tarmac, any mistake could end your race. And despite the fact that mistakes can end your race, when the race was dry, almost nobody made a mistake the
[06:16.320 -> 06:21.280] entire way until the rain came in. Yeah, that was crazy. So you say gambling, and gambling,
[06:21.840 -> 06:28.680] it's just not for the teams on the strategy. The drivers are gambling every breaking zone, every exit, how close they dare get to the wall.
[06:28.920 -> 06:34.040] It's a bit of a gamble as we saw, which we'll probably get onto later in the end of Verstappen's
[06:34.320 -> 06:37.320] quali-dap, he fully gambled on everything.
[06:37.320 -> 06:38.000] So it's crazy.
[06:38.000 -> 06:41.920] And we have this, and this is why Monaco's, they, they're never usually like the most
[06:41.920 -> 06:45.300] exciting races, but up until, especially up until the pit stops,
[06:45.300 -> 06:47.140] there's always this underlying tension
[06:47.140 -> 06:49.460] of there could be a crash, there could be a safety car,
[06:49.460 -> 06:51.660] is somebody gonna get stitched up on the strategy?
[06:51.660 -> 06:53.620] And this is what Monaco Grand Prix always brings
[06:53.620 -> 06:55.040] is this constant tension.
[06:55.040 -> 06:57.180] So I was watching the first half of the race,
[06:57.180 -> 06:59.340] the dry bit at least, absolutely enthralled.
[06:59.340 -> 07:00.180] I was like, right,
[07:00.180 -> 07:01.900] someone's gonna trigger the undercut,
[07:01.900 -> 07:03.040] the undercut, someone's gonna trigger this,
[07:03.040 -> 07:06.000] someone's gonna do this, and someone's gonna do this, and we're waiting, and then they're
[07:06.000 -> 07:10.320] all hanging out and waiting for the rain. So actually, even though we actually did have some
[07:10.320 -> 07:14.080] action, but even if there's not any action, I still thought that was thoroughly entertaining
[07:14.080 -> 07:18.400] as like a true Formula One fan, I was on the edge of my seat waiting for it all to kick off as it
[07:18.400 -> 07:22.400] can do at any moment at Monaco. Well, Jules, is this because maybe
[07:22.400 -> 07:25.200] Monaco, our expectations are lower than we're preparing
[07:25.200 -> 07:30.000] ourselves for such a, you know, the B word, the boring word is a bit of a strong word
[07:30.000 -> 07:34.000] to say this, but you know, for us, we're not expecting much.
[07:34.000 -> 07:38.640] This Monaco race, if this was at any other racetrack, would you still have enjoyed it?
[07:38.640 -> 07:41.160] Good question.
[07:41.160 -> 07:46.960] Probably I think a lot of Formula 1 fans tend to enjoy races that have rain in them
[07:46.960 -> 07:55.400] and that have unexpected rain or difficult to estimate when the rain actually arrives.
[07:55.400 -> 08:01.120] So I think, yeah, any track would have been enjoyable. But I think the reason, as you
[08:01.120 -> 08:08.560] say, it works really well for Monaco is because until then, the
[08:08.560 -> 08:15.320] thing you're waiting for is for a driver to make a mistake, because apart from that, there's
[08:15.320 -> 08:18.280] no real chances of actual fighting.
[08:18.280 -> 08:20.000] Would everyone have enjoyed it?
[08:20.000 -> 08:21.000] No.
[08:21.000 -> 08:22.000] Would I have enjoyed it?
[08:22.000 -> 08:23.000] Yes.
[08:23.000 -> 08:26.000] We had an amazing mix of tire strategy at the start
[08:26.000 -> 08:31.360] of the race that we knew was going to play out differently. We had cars out of position
[08:31.360 -> 08:35.700] with faster cars behind that were being defended against. So even the slightest mistake could
[08:35.700 -> 08:40.980] cause a position change. And yeah, it does sort of go back to the refueling era where
[08:40.980 -> 08:45.800] all the action is entirely in the pits. But despite that, there were
[08:45.800 -> 08:51.880] strategic probabilities in play that had to be decided on and had real-world
[08:51.880 -> 08:57.840] consequences even before the rain showed up. And I will say, yeah, it is a low bar
[08:57.840 -> 09:02.960] for Monaco, but my money was on if it didn't rain, Stroll was eventually going
[09:02.960 -> 09:05.440] to put someone into a wall based on the way he was
[09:05.440 -> 09:10.640] driving today. I don't know why, I'm not saying he's a bad driver, period, but he seemed to be a
[09:10.640 -> 09:16.480] real chaos agent today. That's a really good point about the strategy variation at the start.
[09:16.480 -> 09:21.440] And I can't remember the last time it was so rare, and I don't think maybe some of the newcomers to
[09:21.440 -> 09:29.840] Formula One probably not realized how rare it is to get the top 10 on such a different variation of tyres. There's a mix of hards, mix of mediums and this is really
[09:29.840 -> 09:33.600] strange. It just goes to show what a unique event Monaco is because they're all gambling. Some are
[09:33.600 -> 09:38.080] playing the long game, some are playing the short game, they're all kind of playing safety car roulette
[09:38.080 -> 09:43.440] really and we even had some soft tyres at the back of the grid I believe. So it is such a strange mix
[09:43.440 -> 09:45.460] to see those strategy variations,
[09:45.460 -> 09:46.300] which is really good.
[09:46.300 -> 09:48.740] So I was excited before the race had even started.
[09:48.740 -> 09:50.740] And I think one thing you're all forgetting quickly
[09:50.740 -> 09:53.220] is the fact that there was a mixture of teams too.
[09:53.220 -> 09:54.140] I mean, look at, you know,
[09:54.140 -> 09:56.260] the top three was three completely different teams.
[09:56.260 -> 09:58.740] Kyle, probably in great representation of the Jordan
[09:58.740 -> 10:00.820] that's sitting behind you, which probably,
[10:00.820 -> 10:02.500] I'm assuming cost you millions of dollars
[10:02.500 -> 10:03.780] to get there as a wallpaper.
[10:03.780 -> 10:08.860] But Matt, to me, you had an Alpine, you had, now who else was on the
[10:08.860 -> 10:12.780] podium, you had a Red Bull, you had an Aston Martin, you had two Mercedes following with
[10:12.780 -> 10:14.720] upgrades. Formula One's competitive.
[10:14.720 -> 10:19.480] And if we can get close racing like this at Monaco every year, this track has got to stay for
[10:19.480 -> 10:22.120] the long term. Yeah, I think so.
[10:22.120 -> 10:24.080] I think it's worth it.
[10:24.080 -> 10:26.480] Well, first of all, let's face it, Formula One is a
[10:26.480 -> 10:32.720] marketing business. Monaco is not going anywhere because all the VIPs like to go to Monaco.
[10:32.720 -> 10:38.000] But having said that, there is a certain value in it. It tests the drivers in a very specific way
[10:38.000 -> 10:44.960] that they're not really tested at any other track. So I think it has value there. And last,
[10:47.680 -> 10:54.240] at any other track. So I think it has value there. And last, and apparently now with this new, with the Pirelli tires we have, and with the compounds they're bringing, we're seeing strategic
[10:54.240 -> 11:00.080] variation where we've not seen it before. And the thing about Monaco 2 to understand from a
[11:00.080 -> 11:08.820] technical point of view is it's the least power sensitive track on the whole calendar meaning that if my power unit isn't as good it doesn't matter as much
[11:08.820 -> 11:12.600] if my aerodynamics are not super efficient it doesn't matter as much
[11:12.600 -> 11:18.880] there's a lot more of the driver involved and granted in the art of
[11:18.880 -> 11:22.540] boring tire management there's a lot more of the driver involved than at a
[11:22.540 -> 11:27.120] lot of other tracks. Yeah and along with that Jules is the Red Bull at this track.
[11:27.120 -> 11:31.400] You know, everybody says, oh look, the Honda Power Units, why they're the quickest car
[11:31.400 -> 11:32.400] on the grid.
[11:32.400 -> 11:37.040] It's all about the car and you know, Max Verstappen's only winning championships because of the
[11:37.040 -> 11:38.040] car.
[11:38.040 -> 11:41.200] But look, I mean, the dude put in one of the best qualifying laps we've ever seen.
[11:41.200 -> 11:43.880] Yes, they were the quickest car in sector three for most of the weekend.
[11:43.880 -> 11:48.400] And we'll get to that a little later on. But this track isn't really known for its straight line speed,
[11:48.400 -> 11:53.200] yet the Red Bull was still quick. Yeah, I just saw in the live chat,
[11:53.200 -> 12:01.600] I think Maria mentioned that for Stoppen he used the walls to bounce back from during that quali
[12:01.600 -> 12:11.280] lap, which it kind of looked that way, but with Monaco being so unforgiving, I'm sure it didn't really, really happen like that. But, yeah, I mean,
[12:12.160 -> 12:19.280] the thing is, as the cars evened out more due to the rain, you could see Verstappen, he was
[12:20.400 -> 12:26.360] in a league of his own. On the dry, Alonso kept him honest for quite a while,
[12:26.680 -> 12:28.200] but he's, I don't know.
[12:28.200 -> 12:31.480] I mean, at the beginning of the season, I thought like, well,
[12:31.480 -> 12:33.920] we've seen the best of Verstappen, you know,
[12:34.240 -> 12:36.960] how much better can he get?
[12:36.960 -> 12:39.680] But I was really impressed to press this weekend.
[12:40.120 -> 12:42.520] Well, Max Verstappen was very, very impressive.
[12:42.520 -> 12:47.040] So now it's time to find out how he won the race and where the race was won and lost.
[12:54.560 -> 13:02.800] Well, obviously you got to say qualifying. That was a sector three that was just stunning to
[13:02.800 -> 13:07.280] watch. In fact, all of the last qualifying session was stunning to watch.
[13:07.280 -> 13:12.080] First, we had the lap from Alkan where Alpine put him out and he had a clear track and he set a
[13:12.080 -> 13:19.000] great time in a car that weirdly has turned out to be the third fastest of a Red Bull and an Aston,
[13:19.000 -> 13:31.760] at least as far as the race results are concerned, at a weekend where they really needed it. Secondly, and this is what matters most as far as the wind goes, we had this strategy battle
[13:32.560 -> 13:39.440] at the start of the race with Alonso on the hard tire, risking giving up a place to Ocron behind
[13:39.440 -> 13:47.740] on the medium tire, and we had Max doing the thing that Pirelli suggested like ticking your boxes here we are in
[13:47.740 -> 13:52.760] charge of this race we're gonna start on the standard tire we're gonna follow the standard
[13:52.760 -> 13:58.680] strategy and we're gonna make you do something different to beat me and even without the rain
[13:58.680 -> 14:04.600] that already set up a fascinating narrative that needs unpicking. And that's one thing Kyle that a
[14:04.600 -> 14:06.400] lot of teams do at this track is they set up the
[14:06.400 -> 14:09.160] cars for quality, because Saturday's where it counts.
[14:09.160 -> 14:10.680] You know, grid position is everything.
[14:10.680 -> 14:15.200] I look at the Alpines and I go, well, the race pace wasn't that good today.
[14:15.200 -> 14:17.720] They were sort of holding up the Mercs and the Ferraris.
[14:17.720 -> 14:20.760] It can be argued in a sense, and that's the way I felt it was.
[14:20.760 -> 14:25.240] But those cars were dialed in for Saturday and that's where the race is usually
[14:25.240 -> 14:26.760] won and lost at Monaco.
[14:26.760 -> 14:29.080] Yeah, and it's quite odd.
[14:29.080 -> 14:34.120] So Ocon seemed to think he had a very strong race pace before the race, but what's really
[14:34.120 -> 14:39.640] interesting here, so on their starting tyres, so as I said, Verstappen has gone on the fastest
[14:39.640 -> 14:44.040] tyre to start on the mediums, as did Hamilton and Lewis, which I think may have been more
[14:44.040 -> 14:45.160] of a case of a confidence thing. He was still trying to build in the car, put him on the softer tyres, as did sort of Hamilton and Lewis, which I think may have been more of a case of a confidence
[14:45.160 -> 14:45.400] thing.
[14:45.400 -> 14:46.480] He was still trying to build in the car,
[14:46.480 -> 14:48.120] put him on the softer tires.
[14:48.120 -> 14:50.920] But I'm not sure that anybody or Red Bull
[14:50.920 -> 14:53.240] were predicting that the rain was going to come
[14:53.240 -> 14:54.280] at the start of the race.
[14:54.280 -> 14:55.000] I think they were right.
[14:55.000 -> 14:56.200] They're going to stick him on the medium tires.
[14:56.200 -> 14:56.920] They're going to get him out.
[14:56.920 -> 14:58.700] They're going to look for the first window
[14:58.700 -> 15:01.720] to try to drop him into and get his stop out of the way,
[15:01.720 -> 15:03.600] and then try and drop him into and get him on his hard tires
[15:03.600 -> 15:04.300] to go to the end.
[15:04.300 -> 15:06.980] But I think probably about a third of the race in, the chance of
[15:06.980 -> 15:10.460] the rain started to become very, very real. And then I'm like, right, we need to maybe
[15:10.460 -> 15:14.880] change our tactic here and push you really deep onto softs. Because if you had the prior
[15:14.880 -> 15:21.180] knowledge that the rain was going to come at the end, at the end of the race, then you
[15:21.180 -> 15:24.220] wouldn't start them on the medium tires. You'd go on the hards, you'd want to go as long
[15:24.220 -> 15:27.540] as possible. But the fact that they managed to make those medium tires
[15:27.540 -> 15:29.100] that were graining up,
[15:29.100 -> 15:30.820] went through the graining phase, come back,
[15:30.820 -> 15:35.580] it was a bit remiss of Hamilton in, I think it was 2019,
[15:35.580 -> 15:37.420] hanging onto the mediums right at the end.
[15:37.420 -> 15:39.640] So I don't think that was an intentional strategy
[15:39.640 -> 15:40.640] for Red Bull at the start.
[15:40.640 -> 15:42.540] I think they were very much thinking on their feet
[15:42.540 -> 15:44.660] and they had the driver that could deliver it.
[15:44.660 -> 15:48.000] Well, I want to talk about this a little bit because we did see the graining happen
[15:48.000 -> 15:55.600] much earlier on the medium tire and I had some words, nice words, with Mike Caulfield about that
[15:55.600 -> 16:01.200] during the race and he pointed out that the mediums were much more susceptible to the graining, that
[16:01.200 -> 16:05.160] you would get that on the hards that but just due to the basic nature of the compound,
[16:05.160 -> 16:07.780] it would be shallower and would go away quicker.
[16:07.800 -> 16:15.440] The hard was clearly the better tire to be on at the start for this race. The fact that we saw some
[16:15.960 -> 16:23.280] teams on the medium is interesting because it suggests they didn't either have faith in their driver to deliver a start,
[16:23.520 -> 16:31.760] or they didn't have faith in their driver to deliver a start or they didn't have faith in their concept to be able to run the hard tire at the beginning and that
[16:31.760 -> 16:37.160] would include both Okon. Max, like I said, that's the standard strategy so I think
[16:37.160 -> 16:44.000] he's covering off any possibility of an Alonzo burglary. Kyle? Yeah and with the
[16:44.000 -> 16:48.480] starting strategy it's really strange so if you kind of look at it in sort of layout, you've got the mediums
[16:48.480 -> 16:52.720] that should be a bit quicker, but you have to stop earlier and then go on to the hards.
[16:52.720 -> 16:56.320] Like regardless in Monaco, whatever happens, you know, barring weather, it's going to be
[16:56.320 -> 17:00.760] a one stop. You will never see a two or three stop Monaco race unless it's extremely bizarre
[17:00.760 -> 17:27.080] circumstances because track position is key. So, so you've got the medium. So if you start on the mediums, I'd argue that that was probably the better strategy because it gives you more window for the hards. The hards can go longer. So if you have to maybe pit earlier, if there's an opportune safety car on say lap 20, you could bolt the hards on and go to the end. Now if you start on the hards, you kind of back yourself into a corner a little bit because if there's a safety car on lap 20, can maybe try pitting and putting the mediums on but you're really going to be struggling
[17:27.080 -> 17:30.600] towards the end of the race so it is a bit of a risk starting on the hards because you
[17:30.600 -> 17:35.060] can leave yourself open to having not many strategy options if there's an early race
[17:35.060 -> 17:36.780] race safety car.
[17:36.780 -> 17:41.120] Or you could do what Joe did which was start on the softs get all the grip in and try and
[17:41.120 -> 17:44.320] make up some positions which didn't work out too well for him because he ended up pitting
[17:44.320 -> 17:48.160] at the end of lap one too but at Jules, there were a few drivers who started on
[17:48.160 -> 17:52.720] the hards and decided to go long. For some reason, Max Verstappen and the Red Bull said,
[17:52.720 -> 17:57.920] look, we've got the medium, let's make this last 50 laps, which I was very surprised of.
[17:57.920 -> 18:02.960] I thought, look, why didn't the likes of Ocon or Hamilton or a couple of the other drivers who
[18:02.960 -> 18:08.880] started on the mediums try not to extend that stint. Was that the most impressive part of Verstappen's race for you?
[18:08.880 -> 18:20.400] I think it caught them by surprise a bit too. By lap 40 or 42, I believe, it seemed like
[18:20.400 -> 18:25.640] those mediums on Verstappen's car had come to a second life or something like that.
[18:25.640 -> 18:29.480] He really started getting them going again.
[18:29.480 -> 18:35.920] And I don't think for other teams that might have been an option as it was for Red Bull
[18:35.920 -> 18:42.240] because of how their car and how Verstappen can manage those tires.
[18:42.240 -> 18:45.280] What's really interesting about it, if you think about the psychology of it,
[18:45.840 -> 18:53.200] Red Bull, their number one priority had to be, I'm in front. If I'm in front, I can dictate this
[18:53.200 -> 18:59.280] race. So putting Max on the medium tire, which is the only tire you would stick on to stay in front,
[18:59.280 -> 19:07.360] makes perfect sense. Alonzo, Aston, they just, they seed that field. They're like, we're going to do the opposite.
[19:07.920 -> 19:13.200] Yeah, we're rolling the dice a little bit, but Alonso is a genius. So if he gets a jump, we're
[19:13.200 -> 19:18.080] in, we're in seventh heaven here. There's no getting around him on the hard tire and we can
[19:18.080 -> 19:25.680] go until we feel like we want new tires. And then you have Ocon behind on the medium tire. Again, I think this is
[19:25.680 -> 19:33.040] Alpine under severe pressure from their upper corporate management saying if we
[19:33.040 -> 19:37.720] put him on the hard tire and he loses a place that's going to look bad for us. If
[19:37.720 -> 19:41.240] we put him on the medium tire and he loses a place that's going to look bad
[19:41.240 -> 19:50.080] for our driver and it's a lot easier to blame things on drivers than it is to take the responsibility yourself. And then at the
[19:50.080 -> 19:55.720] back you have Perez who drives exactly one lap on the medium, comes in, puts on
[19:55.720 -> 20:01.520] the hard, and for all the world him and Joe and I believe was at Hulkenberg all
[20:01.520 -> 20:07.520] put on the hard tire after one lap of running to basically do a zero stop
[20:08.160 -> 20:15.680] and hope that a safety car or weather rescued their race. And this is the kind of thinking
[20:15.680 -> 20:20.080] that's going on here. But the battle at the front between Alonso and Verstappen, it was all about
[20:20.080 -> 20:28.160] this tire choice. And it was Max and Red Bull on that medium tire, absolutely ruining
[20:28.160 -> 20:34.540] Aston's strategy by running it, I think 40 laps was Pirelli's maximum suggestion for
[20:34.540 -> 20:35.720] running the medium tire.
[20:35.720 -> 20:52.080] They ran it 55 laps and Al Alonso kind of had Red Bull
[20:52.720 -> 20:59.520] where he wanted them. He could wait. He could wait for possible rain because he was on the hearts,
[20:59.520 -> 21:09.800] and he was just there, you know, kind of putting Max into a corner, just waiting for his mediums
[21:09.800 -> 21:16.680] to drop off, he would have to go in and Alonso would still be able to keep going and wait
[21:16.680 -> 21:18.840] for the rain even longer.
[21:18.840 -> 21:23.520] But I felt it wasn't like a tactical genius thing for Red Bull.
[21:23.520 -> 21:25.280] I think they just really, really
[21:26.080 -> 21:29.920] kind of locked in with how the mediums turned out on Max's car.
[21:30.640 -> 21:38.080] Okay, so I'm going to have to agree with you slightly there, annoyingly. It was a good look
[21:38.080 -> 21:43.520] for Aston to wait for the weather on the hards once they knew the weather was coming. But if
[21:43.520 -> 21:50.000] that's the case, are we going to have to talk about why they didn't then put on tires that were appropriate for the weather?
[21:50.640 -> 21:56.960] And as far as Max goes, I will absolutely disagree with you. I don't think I can, I can think of
[21:56.960 -> 22:02.640] maybe one or two other drivers that might have been able to get the mediums that far.
[22:03.200 -> 22:05.400] I think what helped guys as well was the fact
[22:05.400 -> 22:08.200] that the track temperature lowered by almost 10 degrees
[22:08.200 -> 22:09.380] at one point during the race.
[22:09.380 -> 22:11.400] And that probably helped tire dig a little bit
[22:11.400 -> 22:13.840] to help the mediums go a long distance.
[22:13.840 -> 22:16.340] What I found really fascinating Kyle,
[22:16.340 -> 22:19.660] and like I mentioned earlier is why all the drivers
[22:19.660 -> 22:21.700] who knew that there was going to be rain,
[22:21.700 -> 22:24.340] and I'm talking the likes of Ocon and the Alpine,
[22:24.340 -> 22:28.920] and yes, he scored a podium, so it worked out. I'm talking the likes of Hamilton and a couple others
[22:28.920 -> 22:33.120] why they didn't just try and extend the tyre and just try and go long all the way because
[22:33.120 -> 22:37.720] at Monaco like we said track positions everything so if you're in front with a bad tyre it's
[22:37.720 -> 22:42.720] probably going to work out more often than not. Yeah I actually think that this is quite
[22:42.720 -> 22:50.240] odd talking about Hamilton in this way I actually think with the new upgrades with Mercedes and particularly with the Alpine as well,
[22:50.240 -> 22:53.920] I think they were starting to hit big problems with their mediums. They were
[22:53.920 -> 22:56.880] graining them and then wearing them and you mentioned the temperature dropping. Now this
[22:56.880 -> 23:00.800] is quite crucial for graining because graining is not really that hot temperature related. It's
[23:00.800 -> 23:04.480] mainly when the temperature is too cool you get something called cold graining. The tyre will
[23:04.480 -> 23:07.680] start to slide more across the surface which balls the rubber up and causes
[23:07.680 -> 23:12.000] this graining and it will clean up after a while but i think hamilton and ocon both got themselves
[23:12.000 -> 23:16.160] into a bit of a hole with their graining and i think their hands were pretty much forced they
[23:16.160 -> 23:21.120] were starting to lose a lot of pace and they kind of rolled not rolled the dice they're not right
[23:21.120 -> 23:25.600] the rain may come it may not come if we we wait for it, we might lose 20,
[23:25.600 -> 23:29.840] 30 seconds and drop completely off and be in a complete mess. So let's just stick to our guns
[23:29.840 -> 23:33.440] now and react when it happens. And in the end, that proved to be the right choice.
[23:34.000 -> 23:38.640] Yeah, I just want to get in that one of the also one of the problems you have with the medium tires,
[23:38.640 -> 23:43.280] you have a thinner tread to begin with. And as that tread wears away, it gets harder and harder
[23:43.280 -> 23:45.920] to maintain heat in the bulk of the tire.
[23:45.920 -> 23:51.320] The tire gets cold, and then you get, again, that cold greening that Kyle was talking about.
[23:51.320 -> 23:57.840] It was Hamilton that triggered the… he essentially attempted an undercut on Ocon.
[23:57.840 -> 24:07.200] But what we saw with Ocon's pace was he took immediately… he was a second lap faster. So I think for sure it was part strategy
[24:07.200 -> 24:12.240] and part also like we are coming to the end of this tire and we are going to start losing out
[24:12.240 -> 24:16.960] seriously if we don't get off it. Well, part of the biggest, to me, the biggest storyline was
[24:16.960 -> 24:22.400] whether or not Fernando Alonso could have won this race. It's been 10 years, can you believe Jules,
[24:22.400 -> 24:25.000] 10 years since Fernando Alonso last won a race.
[24:25.000 -> 24:28.400] I remember the race vividly, 2013 Spain in a Ferrari.
[24:28.400 -> 24:32.520] And I thought, oh, he might win a championship with Ferrari the next year or the year after.
[24:32.520 -> 24:34.520] And since then, he's yet to win a race.
[24:34.640 -> 24:38.880] It would have been quite fitting if Aston Martin were able to nail the strategy.
[24:38.880 -> 24:40.560] And some people argue they could have.
[24:40.800 -> 24:47.080] The team has outright said after the race and we couldn't do anything. There was nothing we could do to win this race.
[24:47.120 -> 24:51.160] There was no chance. But that would have been awesome to see Alonso, a 10-year
[24:51.160 -> 24:55.560] anniversary. It would have been an F1 record for longest gap between victories,
[24:55.560 -> 24:57.440] too. It would have been a marvellous story.
[24:57.920 -> 25:03.440] Yeah, and I think if it was going to happen, it had to be this weekend because,
[25:03.440 -> 25:07.800] you know, especially after his qualifying performances,
[25:07.800 -> 25:15.760] he almost had Paul and I felt like if he's putting that car on Paul, no way.
[25:15.760 -> 25:21.920] He'd rather drive into the swimming pool there than let Max Verstappen pass.
[25:21.920 -> 25:26.680] Didn't happen, but I'm afraid, let's say this,
[25:27.440 -> 25:32.360] I'm curious to see if Aston Martin can maintain this form
[25:32.360 -> 25:37.360] and maintain this development as opposed to maybe Mercedes,
[25:39.640 -> 25:40.520] maybe Ferrari.
[25:40.520 -> 25:47.560] So for Alonso, I'm afraid they might drop off a bit in the course of the season.
[25:47.560 -> 25:54.000] I'm not a big Alonso fan, to be honest, but I would have been happy to see him take it
[25:54.000 -> 25:55.000] this weekend.
[25:55.000 -> 26:01.480] I'm not part of the Alonso fan club, that disappoints me. I'm part of the media Alonso
[26:01.480 -> 26:05.080] fan club because it's enjoyable to hear him talk. I think he's a fascinating driver.
[26:05.080 -> 26:08.120] Do you think, Matt, though, if this is prime Alonso
[26:08.120 -> 26:11.600] and he's 27, 28, he somehow sticks his car on pole,
[26:11.600 -> 26:14.080] and you know how as you age, you lose tense,
[26:14.080 -> 26:15.760] just reaction time and all this kind of stuff?
[26:15.760 -> 26:18.040] I don't know what you're talking about.
[26:18.040 -> 26:19.480] You don't know age. Never happens.
[26:19.480 -> 26:21.800] Never happens? Okay, well, there you go.
[26:21.800 -> 26:23.440] You were quick to jump in there, Matt,
[26:23.440 -> 26:25.280] so you might still be able to have it when you're older.
[26:26.080 -> 26:33.320] Indeed, indeed. Now, I don't think Alonzo had the car quite to be on pole.
[26:33.600 -> 26:38.320] We saw, again, in qualifying we saw fast and surprising laps,
[26:38.600 -> 26:42.160] but I think he absolutely had the car and
[26:42.760 -> 26:46.800] he had, given the environmental circumstance of the rain,
[26:46.800 -> 26:54.640] he had the car and the strategy to win today. I think 100% Aston didn't employ the correct strategy
[26:55.200 -> 27:00.640] and I think the data is out there publicly and I really want to talk about it because they went on
[27:00.640 -> 27:05.040] the charm offensive with the television commentary and everyone's like,
[27:05.040 -> 27:10.480] oh, well, it was never going to happen anyway. No, if they'd done the thing, they would have won.
[27:10.480 -> 27:16.480] And that's it. Yeah, I am. I was watching some of the comments afterwards and basically just
[27:16.480 -> 27:19.440] the press team just take it. They were, oh, it wouldn't have made any difference. And as soon
[27:19.440 -> 27:28.080] as they come out and said that I, there was a, there was a bit of a stench of some bovine, bovine dropping,
[27:28.080 -> 27:33.760] shall we say, we can call it going around. I did not, yeah, yeah, I didn't believe it because
[27:33.760 -> 27:37.520] when I was, when they were coming into the pits, again, I've said this before in a podcast, like,
[27:37.520 -> 27:41.680] I'm me as a bloke on my sofa, I was like, surely they're going to drop on, they're going to bolt
[27:41.680 -> 27:44.880] on the intermediates and Alonso's going to win. That's what I was saying to myself, well, he's
[27:44.880 -> 27:47.120] going to win because it all looked like others were already
[27:47.120 -> 27:50.720] on the intermediates. The rain looked like it was getting heavier. To be fair, they did say that as
[27:50.720 -> 27:54.720] soon as he got to the end of the pit lane, they realized they'd made a mistake. But I think they
[27:54.720 -> 27:59.840] took a crazy gamble there. And I genuinely think that they potentially threw away the win right
[27:59.840 -> 28:10.160] there. They did a Ferrari in my opinion. How many pit stops was it Jules? It was Alonso came in twice on 54, 55, Verstappen had one pit stop.
[28:10.160 -> 28:14.640] Now what we're trying to argue here is the gap between Verstappen and Alonso.
[28:14.640 -> 28:19.080] If Fernando had gotten onto the intermediates, would he have made up the time difference
[28:19.080 -> 28:20.920] in that one lap to overtake Max?
[28:20.920 -> 28:22.160] That's what we're trying to find out.
[28:22.160 -> 28:28.120] Do you think he would have done it without the two pit stops? It's a tough question.
[28:28.120 -> 28:37.760] You sure know how to ask the questions, Jono, but it's okay. I don't think so. I think the
[28:37.760 -> 28:45.000] conditions would have been too tricky and especially going down Monaco in a wet, semi-wet condition.
[28:48.920 -> 28:52.000] I think you're so cautious with your breaking zones
[28:52.000 -> 28:56.400] and I don't see it would have worked that way.
[28:56.400 -> 29:01.400] If only, if only someone were literally obsessive enough
[29:03.000 -> 29:11.500] to go and look at actual lap times and actual gaps where there's actual data that exist and discover whether or not that gap could have been closed.
[29:11.500 -> 29:16.800] If only someone had done that, someone like, oh, I don't know, maybe a member of the panel.
[29:16.800 -> 29:22.000] Well, tell us the lap times, Matt, because this is something we spoke about. We need to know the lap times.
[29:22.000 -> 29:30.000] Who was on the intermediates at the same time? I think it was Stroll. Stroll was the test dummy. This was Alonso's teammate. Or had he crashed out at this point?
[29:30.000 -> 29:35.040] No, no, he was still in and he'd been on the enters, but his times were deceptive. And I'll
[29:35.040 -> 29:43.040] get to that in a minute. But what we need to know is Alcon's times. Alcon went on to the intermediate
[29:43.040 -> 29:45.000] tires the lap before,
[29:45.520 -> 29:46.920] and he and Hamilton did,
[29:46.920 -> 29:48.840] and Russell, who was ahead of him at the time,
[29:48.840 -> 29:51.240] but then just stupidly drove it off the course.
[29:52.680 -> 29:54.880] They all went on to the enters on lap 54.
[29:54.880 -> 29:58.360] So we can use them as a good comparison
[29:58.360 -> 30:01.760] of how much the gap would have closed down.
[30:01.760 -> 30:06.640] And basically what I found when I did this math, and I will go through the math,
[30:06.640 -> 30:11.520] but usually I learn not to do that because people's eyes cross and they can't keep track of
[30:11.520 -> 30:17.440] the numbers when I'm just talking. But when I did the math, basically I took the gap before Alonzo
[30:17.440 -> 30:22.800] and Verstappen pitted, and after they came out of the pit, exit to Ocon, who was already on the
[30:22.800 -> 30:26.240] intermediate tires. And what I discovered was
[30:26.240 -> 30:32.640] that had Alonso got onto the enters the same lap that he went on to the mediums for the single lap
[30:32.640 -> 30:39.920] which is lap 54, he would have been between two and a half gap to Alonso and Ocon or four seconds
[30:40.880 -> 30:48.360] gap from Ocon to Verstappen up the road ahead of Max and that's based on Alcon's times and
[30:48.360 -> 30:51.960] both Alonso and Verstappen were driving quicker cars.
[30:51.960 -> 30:58.240] So there's also a slight other aspect to this, there's a very objective aspect of the lap times
[30:58.240 -> 31:02.800] and the data saying but there's also the slightly more subjective sort of aspect to think of and
[31:02.800 -> 31:05.600] that's that's Alonso would have had one lap
[31:05.600 -> 31:11.040] extra knowledge on a, on a foreign now race surface, which you don't know on tyres, it would
[31:11.040 -> 31:14.880] have been a little bit more up to temperature than Max as well. So even if he would have come out
[31:14.880 -> 31:19.360] behind Max and Max was coming out of the pit lane, Max got to try to get up to speed and feel his
[31:19.360 -> 31:23.760] way around on new tyres. Alonso would have already been up to speed. So we could have seen a move.
[31:23.760 -> 31:25.000] Yeah, Alonso would have been much more thin speed. So he could have seen a move. Yeah, Alonso would have been much more
[31:25.000 -> 31:28.520] thing but much more, you know, aggressive against him because
[31:28.520 -> 31:30.320] he would have been more confident. But Max trying to
[31:30.320 -> 31:32.600] crawl back to the pits and see him, he was playing ricochet off
[31:32.600 -> 31:35.000] the walls on the way back to the pits. He was hemorrhaging time.
[31:35.160 -> 31:37.960] So I can't see how Alonso would have come out behind him anyway,
[31:37.960 -> 31:39.440] he surely would have been clearly in front.
[31:39.920 -> 31:43.560] Yeah, well, so since you asked for the numbers clearly, the gap
[31:43.560 -> 31:47.640] from Ocon to Verstappen was 55.5 seconds.
[31:47.640 -> 31:53.540] And after Verstappen pitted, it was 31.4 seconds.
[31:53.540 -> 31:57.560] The gap from Alcón to Alonso was 33.9 seconds.
[31:57.560 -> 32:06.760] After Alonso pitted the second time for his intermediate tires, that gap was 9.45 seconds and both of those are bigger
[32:06.760 -> 32:12.960] than the 20 seconds that that Alonso actually had as a gap to Verstappen
[32:12.960 -> 32:19.360] the first time he pitted. There's no doubt about it in my mind. If they put
[32:19.360 -> 32:24.680] Enders on Alonso, Alonso wins this race. God Matt, numbers, numbers really kill me.
[32:24.680 -> 32:29.440] You know at this stage, this early in the morning, after a 24-hour event and everything,
[32:29.440 -> 32:30.920] oh, I'm absolutely dying.
[32:30.920 -> 32:31.920] I'm sorry.
[32:31.920 -> 32:32.920] I did my best.
[32:32.920 -> 32:33.920] I tried to resist.
[32:33.920 -> 32:37.680] I'll tell you what, one battle on the racetrack, and that was the battle for the podium, wasn't
[32:37.680 -> 32:38.680] decided on numbers.
[32:38.680 -> 32:42.280] And it was decided by an error from a very good young prodigy.
[32:42.280 -> 32:45.320] We'll delve into all of that next and the midfield chaos.
[32:45.320 -> 32:53.120] Oh, Kyle, Kyle, where do we start?
[32:53.120 -> 32:55.420] Lance Stroll, did he kick off the,
[32:55.420 -> 32:57.900] all the chaos down there in the midfield?
[32:57.900 -> 32:59.220] I think somebody said that,
[32:59.220 -> 33:00.660] and there was a lot of people on Twitter saying,
[33:00.660 -> 33:04.180] look, I think he was driving like it was the F1 game
[33:04.180 -> 33:05.300] with no damage on
[33:05.300 -> 33:06.300] or something.
[33:06.300 -> 33:12.460] Yeah, yeah, that's well, one is quite harsh. I actually don't think it was Stroll that
[33:12.460 -> 33:19.260] started the mayhem. I believe that was Hulkenberg. It wasn't even a move he did on Sargent, it
[33:19.260 -> 33:23.900] was an assault on Sargent into Mirabeau. He sort of went on in the first lap and then
[33:23.900 -> 33:28.720] caused a huge sort of tailback at the concertina. And as we saw going into the, is it the Grand Hotel, the Lowe's
[33:28.720 -> 33:33.200] hairpin? I can't remember what they call it now, but I'm just going to call it Lowe's. So going to
[33:33.200 -> 33:36.320] the Lowe's hairpin, everyone knows that there's like a backup sort of place there. They're pretty
[33:36.320 -> 33:40.560] much having to dip the clutches in because they're stalling and they're stationary. Lance tries to
[33:41.120 -> 33:45.920] go for an outside move up against the wall, but the way the walls are, he was going into
[33:45.920 -> 33:52.240] well, the disappearing wedge of doom where his space was always going to run out. But, you know,
[33:52.240 -> 33:56.640] he's trying to make moves happen. He knows he's in a fast car, his teammates in second place,
[33:56.640 -> 34:01.520] he's out of position from a bit of bad luck in qualifying from damaging his floor.
[34:01.520 -> 34:05.760] So he's desperate to make up moves in the first lap of the race with all this huge concertina
[34:05.760 -> 34:06.760] effect.
[34:06.760 -> 34:07.760] I know what he was thinking.
[34:07.760 -> 34:10.000] He's thinking, they're all going to be parked on the apex on the inside and I'm going to
[34:10.000 -> 34:11.600] cruise all the way around the outside.
[34:11.600 -> 34:13.440] But it didn't really happen.
[34:13.440 -> 34:21.600] And his high IQ idea ended in broken carbon fibre and being squeezed up against the wall.
[34:21.600 -> 34:24.320] But I can get his thinking.
[34:24.320 -> 34:29.280] Well, Jules Carl brings up a great point there, which is, yes, the rain caused a lot of chaos,
[34:29.280 -> 34:33.320] but the early laps were as chaotic as the next when the heavens opened.
[34:33.320 -> 34:35.120] You look at Sergio Perez as well.
[34:35.600 -> 34:38.600] He knew his teammate was in best position to win this race.
[34:38.600 -> 34:43.840] He's marked up his sort of position to score points and win the race through qualifying.
[34:44.120 -> 34:48.000] And now he's tried to make up positions and he had his own collisions early on himself as well.
[34:48.000 -> 34:51.520] And I think somebody like him, he's walked away with zero points.
[34:52.080 -> 34:54.320] This couldn't have been any worse for Sergio Perez,
[34:54.320 -> 34:58.960] who's trying to make a championship assault on his two-time world champion teammate.
[34:58.960 -> 35:07.000] Yeah, I think today was the official end to Sergio Perez's world championship ambitions.
[35:07.000 -> 35:28.080] I mean, if you start on the back, at the back, and things. At a certain point, it was just like he
[35:28.080 -> 35:36.640] lost his mind for one or two laps, sending him almost into straw, hitting Magnussen, losing his
[35:36.640 -> 35:47.120] front wing. And I think a couple of laps before that, he already hit the barriers, I think a couple of laps before that he already hit the barriers, I think with stroll as well.
[35:47.840 -> 35:56.000] So it's, I don't know, he was supposed to be or he was sort of made up to be in the previous races
[35:56.000 -> 36:06.880] like some kind of street circuit magician, you know, and especially after last year at Perez at Monaco. But it was so weird to see.
[36:06.880 -> 36:12.320] It was just like bad decision after bad decision.
[36:12.320 -> 36:19.360] And maybe what happened at the Red Bull pit wall got to his head and he lost it.
[36:19.920 -> 36:23.840] You do realize, Jules, we have a small contingent of Sergio Perez fans
[36:23.840 -> 36:25.660] and Mexican F1 supporters
[36:25.660 -> 36:28.500] who do not wanna hear the truth from you right now,
[36:28.500 -> 36:30.840] which Matt, if you think about it too,
[36:30.840 -> 36:33.080] all of Sergio Perez's Red Bull victories,
[36:33.080 -> 36:35.400] if I'm not mistaken, have come at street circuits.
[36:35.400 -> 36:38.120] So for him to stuff his weekend up at Monaco
[36:38.120 -> 36:39.560] is pretty surprising.
[36:39.560 -> 36:42.280] Well, yeah, if he's a street circuit specialist,
[36:42.280 -> 36:44.120] then you'd think that would be it,
[36:44.120 -> 36:48.480] but he seemed to be having a rough weekend.
[36:48.480 -> 36:55.160] And the only good news for Sergio Perez is he was by far not the only driver to absolutely
[36:55.160 -> 36:58.320] lose it on the track today.
[36:58.320 -> 37:02.080] Signs, completely red mist.
[37:02.080 -> 37:06.400] Stroll, as we've mentioned, completely red mist. And I don't know, Kyle,
[37:06.400 -> 37:07.400] have I missed any?
[37:07.400 -> 37:11.320] Kyle Lierman No, well, we had Russell not quite red misting,
[37:11.320 -> 37:16.600] but yeah, making mistakes. Loads of people were making mistakes and getting frustrated.
[37:16.600 -> 37:21.760] My thing with Perez was, my big thing was, it was kind of like an attitude thing going
[37:21.760 -> 37:25.420] in. It's like he's in the Red Bull and he's got this entitlement just to dive bomb
[37:25.420 -> 37:26.960] or people need to get out of the way.
[37:26.960 -> 37:28.720] We've seen this quite a lot with Perez.
[37:28.720 -> 37:31.520] It's been in red ball, doing some of these crazy,
[37:31.520 -> 37:32.340] crazy moves.
[37:32.340 -> 37:34.480] But the one that really got my goat was when,
[37:34.480 -> 37:37.200] I think it was Stroll trying to let his teammate pass
[37:37.200 -> 37:39.480] to lap him, Perez tried to follow him through
[37:39.480 -> 37:42.000] into the chicane, whacked into his car,
[37:42.000 -> 37:43.940] jumped the chicane, just overtook him.
[37:43.940 -> 37:49.200] And then when Stroll was rightfully trying to get back past, Perez pretty much just slammed the door, squeezed him into the wall.
[37:49.200 -> 37:54.000] Stroll had to back out and then Perez is complaining that he pushed me wide and I shouldn't have to give the place back.
[37:54.000 -> 37:57.500] But I think it was obvious to everyone he was going to have to give the place back.
[37:57.500 -> 38:09.160] But the very next lap, he then drove into the back of K-Mag's car and then blamed him for brake checking him. So he ended up naturally giving the place back anyway, but he went on a couple of laps of, I think, sort
[38:09.160 -> 38:13.440] of a racing driver bad attitude entitlement sort of thing of going there. And like, it
[38:13.440 -> 38:18.280] was no one else's fault. You know, it was everyone else's fault, not his fault. But
[38:18.280 -> 38:21.280] yeah, I didn't like that move of jumping someone into chicane and then squeezing them into
[38:21.280 -> 38:29.760] the wall afterwards. That was, I actually wrote filth down in my notes as he sort of did that. I was, oh that's dirty, that's really really dirty. But no,
[38:29.760 -> 38:34.480] he had a bit of a mayor blessing and yeah, he just, he stacked it all onto himself because of
[38:35.360 -> 38:40.800] qualifying and I think he's trying to live up to this hype of he is the street circuit king. So,
[38:40.800 -> 38:45.920] he is under a load more pressure. So, he was just absolutely cautioned to the wind and just screwed it up.
[38:45.920 -> 38:47.160] I mean, people can make mistakes,
[38:47.160 -> 38:48.400] it happens all the time.
[38:48.400 -> 38:50.440] Well, somebody who should have been really good at Monaco
[38:50.440 -> 38:52.480] was George Russell, Mr. Saturday.
[38:52.480 -> 38:55.960] So you'd think he'd qualify a newly designed,
[38:55.960 -> 38:58.760] not newly designed, actually a newly upgraded Mercedes
[38:58.760 -> 39:01.200] and they're trying to dial in all these upgrades
[39:01.200 -> 39:02.040] to get the car quicker.
[39:02.040 -> 39:07.080] But for me, it was Matt, was it when George Russell, he had that free pit stop
[39:07.160 -> 39:08.320] when the rain came in.
[39:08.520 -> 39:11.920] And so he sort of lucked out when the rain came in, made the mistake down.
[39:11.920 -> 39:14.200] It was that Mirabeau, he made that mistake, Matt, I think.
[39:14.200 -> 39:15.520] And he's gone a little bit deep.
[39:15.720 -> 39:19.400] What we missed, though, when they cut through the replays, I think was the fact that we
[39:19.400 -> 39:21.760] didn't see Ocon and Hamilton go through.
[39:21.800 -> 39:28.160] Obviously, it was mentioned a little later on, but that was Russell's chance to get on the podium here at Monaco, despite the fact he struggled most of the weekend.
[39:28.160 -> 39:32.720] Yeah, I know a lot of what we love to talk about is the woulda, coulda, shouldas. I mean,
[39:32.720 -> 39:38.440] and we're not done yet. We have Ferrari to get to with signs, another driver who lost his mind and
[39:38.440 -> 39:52.360] had a point when he was arguing with his team. But for Russell, there's no woulda coulda shoulda. Russell was the only hard tire runner still out on the track when he pitted lap 54 ahead of Ocon
[39:52.360 -> 39:58.720] and everybody else. He put on the correct tire, which is the enters, and I do want to
[39:58.720 -> 40:04.220] have a rant about why he knew that and asked and didn't at some point if there's time.
[40:04.220 -> 40:10.240] And he drove out of the pits ahead of Ocon, also on the enters, drove up the hill, drove
[40:10.240 -> 40:12.680] to the turn, and locked up his brakes.
[40:12.680 -> 40:16.160] He said there was a yellow flag, he stepped on the brakes, they locked, he went straight,
[40:16.160 -> 40:21.760] Ocon went by, Hamilton went by, and then he, I believe, backed out directly into the path
[40:21.760 -> 40:26.000] of Perez, who just absolutely clouded him and did not make his
[40:26.000 -> 40:31.120] day any better. Yeah, and that's really tricky. I mean, you can't blame him too much for snatching
[40:31.120 -> 40:37.040] a break and going up the escape road at Mirabeau. But it was under yellow flags. Now in karting
[40:37.040 -> 40:41.040] championships I've raced in, they usually penalize if you spin or go off under yellow flags, like
[40:41.040 -> 40:44.480] you're actually penalized because you're supposed to be backing right off. But I think you know,
[40:44.480 -> 40:45.720] it's Monaco, it's slippery first lap out of pits, and he was probably reacting to the yellow flags, like you're actually penalized because you're supposed to be backing right off. But I think, you know, it's Monaco, it's slippery,
[40:45.720 -> 40:46.640] first lap out of pits,
[40:46.640 -> 40:49.000] and he was probably reacting to the yellow flags.
[40:49.000 -> 40:50.560] But yeah, he backed out there.
[40:50.560 -> 40:52.920] Annoyingly, the director, who was great, I thought,
[40:52.920 -> 40:55.100] for most part of the race, missed it.
[40:55.100 -> 40:58.120] But he got his penalty for being whacked by Perez.
[40:58.120 -> 41:00.520] But yeah, some interesting radio messages from George as
[41:00.520 -> 41:03.440] well, whoever the politician in the cockpit.
[41:03.440 -> 41:05.700] I think what they might need is to give him a fax machine
[41:05.700 -> 41:08.660] so he can fax off some proposals to his team
[41:08.660 -> 41:10.840] during the race would be quite nice.
[41:10.840 -> 41:12.680] He can fax some PowerPoints to them.
[41:12.680 -> 41:14.000] Yes.
[41:14.000 -> 41:15.320] He's very calm, isn't he?
[41:15.320 -> 41:16.400] I actually love it.
[41:16.400 -> 41:18.640] You know, one engineer that actually frustrated me
[41:18.640 -> 41:21.980] at one stage was, so Lando Norris' engineer,
[41:21.980 -> 41:24.000] I feel like he fits too much detail
[41:24.000 -> 41:25.580] into such a crammed radio
[41:25.580 -> 41:26.580] message.
[41:26.580 -> 41:29.360] He's like, oh, the rain is coming on lap 35.
[41:29.360 -> 41:33.800] It's going to be class one of this Grand Prix in Monaco 2023.
[41:33.800 -> 41:38.960] Jules, could you drive with that much information being stuffed into your brain as a Grand Prix
[41:38.960 -> 41:39.960] driver?
[41:39.960 -> 41:47.080] I would freak out if I had all this information while trying to drive a Formula 1 car.
[41:47.080 -> 41:56.600] I think Norris already in one of the earlier races snapped at his engineer to not feed
[41:56.600 -> 41:58.080] him that much info.
[41:58.080 -> 42:06.600] But despite this, I think Norris was one of the drivers of the day actually, because especially in dry conditions,
[42:06.600 -> 42:10.560] the McLarens were outside of the points.
[42:10.560 -> 42:15.720] In the end, you got into the points.
[42:15.720 -> 42:23.000] What was good about it was that I think when everybody went in for inters, they called
[42:23.000 -> 42:28.320] in Norris and they sent him out on hard tires, like nothing was
[42:28.320 -> 42:29.320] happening.
[42:29.320 -> 42:31.400] It was lap 52, I think.
[42:31.400 -> 42:40.000] Yeah, yeah, there was extra stop for him as well and then to get into the points and actually
[42:40.000 -> 42:47.880] when the track was drying in the last, I think, 10 laps, nobody was lapping faster than Norris except for Stoppen.
[42:47.880 -> 42:49.040] So, good job.
[42:49.520 -> 42:53.800] We must mention, Kyle, is I think Norris and Alonso were the two to almost do
[42:53.800 -> 42:56.920] back-to-back pit stops. I have to check the exact lap Norris came in.
[42:57.200 -> 43:02.080] And despite that fact, McLaren had a double points finish in a car that
[43:02.080 -> 43:04.600] they've struggled with for most of the start of this year.
[43:04.800 -> 43:07.280] Norris came in ninth, Piastri scored the final point.
[43:07.280 -> 43:11.200] That's remarkable for McLaren to clean up and grab the last few points at Monaco.
[43:11.200 -> 43:12.200] Absolutely.
[43:12.200 -> 43:16.280] Considering as well, I don't think their car was working in the drive particularly well.
[43:16.280 -> 43:18.320] Norris said in his after race interview, he said,
[43:18.320 -> 43:19.920] a car wasn't really working.
[43:19.920 -> 43:21.600] They were struggling on the tyres.
[43:21.600 -> 43:23.200] They're a bit lost at the moment.
[43:23.200 -> 43:25.120] So yeah, he pitted on lap 50
[43:25.120 -> 43:28.480] and then did four laps on the hards and then it started raining. So they were a little bit
[43:28.480 -> 43:34.640] premature with their pitting, but he was on the mediums as well, Norris. So he did actually a
[43:34.640 -> 43:38.880] really good job to get the mediums that far as well. He's like five laps short of Max, but whilst
[43:38.880 -> 43:46.480] we're on McLaren, also big shout out to Piastri, first Monaco Grand Prix with a difficult McLaren car.
[43:46.480 -> 43:48.440] And, you know, let's face it,
[43:48.440 -> 43:50.040] he wasn't that far off Lando Norris.
[43:50.040 -> 43:52.840] And as we know, Lando Norris is brilliant in the wet
[43:52.840 -> 43:54.680] and was the fastest man on track.
[43:54.680 -> 43:56.560] And they actually inverted the positions in the end
[43:56.560 -> 43:57.680] because he lost out a bit,
[43:57.680 -> 44:00.960] a la George Russell, Lewis Hamilton type,
[44:00.960 -> 44:01.920] you know, in the pit stops.
[44:01.920 -> 44:04.240] But yeah, big up for Piastri.
[44:04.240 -> 44:08.800] Wait a sec, did you say Norris brilliant in the wet? And I go back to Russia 2021,
[44:08.800 -> 44:11.040] and I think, did he make the right decision in that race?
[44:11.600 -> 44:18.720] Well, that was another decision where McLaren were like, phase, it's intensity 1.735 rain for the
[44:18.720 -> 44:25.800] next two laps, and then 2.734 square root back to 10 for the next two laps, you know, giving us a driver.
[44:25.800 -> 44:29.440] So again, it was very, very typical McLaren information giving.
[44:29.440 -> 44:33.200] So, so yeah, I don't really blame Russia on Norris too much,
[44:33.200 -> 44:34.480] but he's proven once you get,
[44:34.520 -> 44:36.680] once he got on the intermediate tyres and his car started working,
[44:36.680 -> 44:40.680] he was at one point like three seconds faster than most other people on track.
[44:40.680 -> 44:42.080] So that's, that's quite impressive.
[44:42.600 -> 44:43.840] Yeah. Followed by a panic.
[44:43.840 -> 44:45.080] I remember Philando Norris,
[44:45.080 -> 44:48.800] and then the race was lost and unfortunately he's never won a race in F1.
[44:48.800 -> 44:51.920] And hopefully he does win a race soon. We're all Lando Norris fans,
[44:51.940 -> 44:55.800] but Matt to Esteban Ocon, he scored his third career podium.
[44:55.820 -> 44:58.400] He's been first, second and third. I think,
[44:58.520 -> 45:01.040] I don't know if anybody's done that in F1 history. Got to check that.
[45:01.120 -> 45:03.960] Not that it's probably a useless stat, but we'll get to that.
[45:05.000 -> 45:10.000] Not for them, of course. But hey, how about that? A podium for Alpine at this stage of the season.
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[46:15.920 -> 46:20.520] I did make a bit of a joke earlier about it just finished the way it started so
[46:20.520 -> 46:30.140] why should I pay attention but were it not for Russell locking those brakes that that third place was utterly lost and this leads us down a
[46:30.140 -> 46:33.800] path that I do want to get to at some point because I know we have infinite
[46:33.800 -> 46:38.340] amounts of time here on this show which is that Russell was the last of the
[46:38.340 -> 46:42.860] hard tire runners but the second last of the hard tire runners was Norris who we
[46:42.860 -> 46:50.540] are talking about but Russell but Leclerc and Gasly also of the hard tire runners was Norris, who we are talking about. But Russell, but LeClerc and Gasly also on the hard tire both gave it up their pursuit
[46:50.540 -> 46:54.720] of the rain a bit earlier and maybe a bit too soon.
[46:54.720 -> 46:56.840] And that would have entirely changed the complexion.
[46:56.840 -> 47:01.560] But the one person who gave it up way too early was Carlos Sainz.
[47:01.560 -> 47:03.600] Was he right to be frustrated there?
[47:03.600 -> 47:05.760] Do you think Jules, Carlos Sainz, of course,
[47:05.760 -> 47:07.240] very frustrated at Ferrari.
[47:07.240 -> 47:09.520] Lap 33, they came in on the hards.
[47:09.520 -> 47:10.620] He wasn't on the mediums.
[47:10.620 -> 47:12.360] That was the fascinating part.
[47:12.360 -> 47:16.880] Yeah, I think Carlos felt that this was the weekend
[47:16.880 -> 47:19.620] to make a point.
[47:22.080 -> 47:28.320] There's this talk of Ferrari going for Hamilton, the Ferrari boss already,
[47:28.320 -> 47:35.920] you know, openly in front of the media admitted that if, you know, that they wanted to offer
[47:35.920 -> 47:42.080] Hamilton a contract. So, you know, everything points towards his seat being very insecure.
[47:42.080 -> 47:47.360] So he qualifies in front of Leclerc and this was his moment,
[47:47.360 -> 47:54.000] this was his chance. And then being stuck behind Ocon because, I think, fair play, usually
[47:54.720 -> 48:00.320] the Ferrari and Sainz should be faster than Ocon in the Alpine, but didn't happen. And I think he
[48:00.320 -> 48:07.040] got really frustrated and then it was kind of ironic when the radio message was broadcasted,
[48:07.040 -> 48:13.440] like, yeah, let's push him to use up his tires. And then right after that, you saw him crashing
[48:13.440 -> 48:19.520] into the back of him. And what we shouldn't forget, I think, is, because we were talking
[48:19.520 -> 48:29.520] about Ocon, Ocon was a very, very, very lucky, a very lucky boy not to get a puncture there because Sainz's
[48:29.520 -> 48:36.240] front wing really clipped his right rear wheel and his race or at least his chances on the
[48:36.240 -> 48:40.960] podium could have easily vaporated at that point.
[48:40.960 -> 48:47.040] So yeah, really good drive and especially also Ocon in the wet with Hamilton
[48:47.040 -> 48:54.880] pushing for his position being within the second for a couple of laps. Hats off to how he managed
[48:55.600 -> 49:02.880] it. Yeah, well, I just want to go back to think about this. I mean, Ocon pitted on what lap 35
[49:02.880 -> 49:05.440] in response to the Hamilton undercut.
[49:09.800 -> 49:10.120] Now, Ferrari, we are going to accuse them of making a strategic error here.
[49:11.240 -> 49:11.720] I don't think they did.
[49:16.920 -> 49:16.960] I think Ferrari made the decision they made because they didn't want
[49:18.680 -> 49:19.200] Lewis Hamilton in front of them.
[49:21.080 -> 49:21.640] They weren't thinking about winning a race.
[49:24.320 -> 49:32.480] They weren't thinking about taking the place away from Alcon. They simply took it as a fact that it's Monaco, Monaco is a procession, and what we have to
[49:32.480 -> 49:37.760] do above all else is protect whatever track position we have right now.
[49:37.760 -> 49:41.760] Carlos Sainz did not agree with that.
[49:41.760 -> 49:47.560] We heard it on the radio, and if we look at the subsequent events of the race, well,
[49:48.080 -> 49:50.600] he would have been absolutely right, wouldn't he have been?
[49:51.040 -> 49:54.600] And it would have been 20 laps later, Kyle, I think, if they just waited 20 laps,
[49:54.600 -> 49:57.720] track positions, everything at Monaco and they would have had the position.
[49:57.880 -> 50:02.320] Even I was baffled when the Ferraris came in and I thought, look, patience is virtue
[50:02.320 -> 50:03.520] at Monaco. Yeah.
[50:03.560 -> 50:06.200] Well, how terribly dim of them. But no, in reality.
[50:07.080 -> 50:07.580] Yeah.
[50:07.600 -> 50:08.100] Yeah.
[50:08.120 -> 50:09.040] Hindsight's a brilliant thing.
[50:09.040 -> 50:11.040] But yeah, in reality, I kind of agree with Matt.
[50:11.040 -> 50:14.280] I think they had to cover Hamilton off.
[50:14.280 -> 50:16.800] And yes, Sainz said, I don't care about Hamilton.
[50:16.800 -> 50:17.300] I'm quick.
[50:17.560 -> 50:20.200] It's like, yeah, it doesn't matter about your personal feelings or how
[50:20.200 -> 50:21.360] you feel. And he was frustrated.
[50:21.360 -> 50:21.860] He's quick.
[50:21.880 -> 50:23.160] He's thinking, I'm ahead of my teammate.
[50:23.600 -> 50:24.720] I can go and do this thing.
[50:24.720 -> 50:25.000] But he'd already damaged his front wing. for how he felt and he was frustrated. He's quick, he's thinking, I'm ahead of my teammate, I can go and do this thing.
[50:25.000 -> 50:26.640] But he'd already damaged his front wing.
[50:26.640 -> 50:29.000] He's probably arguably losing a little bit
[50:29.000 -> 50:30.840] of performance now.
[50:30.840 -> 50:33.240] And we've seen this many times before
[50:33.240 -> 50:37.600] when drivers in the car don't have a bigger picture
[50:37.600 -> 50:40.240] and Ferrari could probably see that he was more at risk
[50:40.240 -> 50:43.360] from Hamilton behind than he had,
[50:43.360 -> 50:44.760] there was more risk from losing a position
[50:44.760 -> 50:47.400] from Hamilton behind than the chance he There was more risk from losing a position with Hamilton behind than more than the chance he had
[50:47.400 -> 50:49.160] of gaining a position in front,
[50:49.160 -> 50:50.640] particularly with his front wing damage.
[50:50.640 -> 50:52.400] So we've seen this before from drivers.
[50:52.400 -> 50:54.680] Remember one that sticks out was Rubens Barrichello
[50:54.680 -> 50:57.220] at the European Grand Prix in 2009,
[50:57.220 -> 50:58.880] when he was freaking out at Braun
[50:58.880 -> 51:00.440] and he just didn't realize the strategy
[51:00.440 -> 51:03.140] and he shot his mouth off in the press afterwards
[51:03.140 -> 51:09.080] without actually having seen the bigger picture. So yeah, again, from like a driving point of view, I completely understand
[51:09.080 -> 51:15.000] why science would be angry and, you know, anyone would question it in there. But was
[51:15.000 -> 51:19.080] the decision correct? I agree with Matt. I think the decision to pit in there was probably
[51:19.080 -> 51:20.080] correct.
[51:20.080 -> 51:28.520] Jens Nielsen Like Kyle and Matt, I really say that Sainz and Ferrari weren't on the same page today
[51:28.520 -> 51:31.120] as to what the objectives were.
[51:31.120 -> 51:37.840] And referring to what Kyle said earlier in the show about this feeling of graining because
[51:37.840 -> 51:46.280] tyres losing temp, I think Ferrari might have been caught there,
[51:46.280 -> 51:54.280] mistaking that for actually graining tires and losing performance
[51:54.280 -> 51:56.480] and having to switch to a different tire.
[51:56.480 -> 52:01.520] Because I think Sainz called in at lap 35 or something,
[52:01.520 -> 52:05.360] pretty early for it, no, I think maybe even earlier in the 20s.
[52:05.360 -> 52:12.160] And he said like, oh, the hard tire is graining more than we expected. And I think maybe they
[52:12.160 -> 52:17.760] fell for whatever we want to call it, this trap, and they switched him to the medium tires. And
[52:17.760 -> 52:32.200] then after that, he went nuts on the radio, like saying, I told you this is what we talked about. And it was funny, but painful for, you know, as this relationship seems to break down right
[52:32.200 -> 52:33.200] in front of us.
[52:33.200 -> 52:34.200] Yeah.
[52:34.200 -> 52:37.480] And it's just, it's a difference in goals.
[52:37.480 -> 52:45.680] Carlos is perfectly fine finishing 10th, if it means he has a chance to win. Ferrari, in the shape they are currently
[52:45.680 -> 52:51.920] in, is desperate for the maximum amount of points that they have calculated they
[52:51.920 -> 52:58.400] can get at any given race. So yeah, was Carlos right? A hundred percent. If they'd
[52:58.400 -> 53:04.920] stayed out on the hard tire, think about it. Alcon pits lap 35. He has 20 laps on a
[53:04.920 -> 53:06.720] hard tire that's probably pretty fresh,
[53:06.720 -> 53:12.000] because they've been driving slow, because Alcon's been managing the medium tire to his car's
[53:12.000 -> 53:16.720] capability very well. As I mentioned, you know, he did knock a second off his lap time when they
[53:16.720 -> 53:23.920] told him to hurry up. But he's probably putting inroads into both Alonso and Verstappen. He's
[53:23.920 -> 53:28.260] taken time out of them because they're stuck in traffic that he's still
[53:28.260 -> 53:30.100] catching in clean air at that point.
[53:30.100 -> 53:34.020] Cause they're into lap traffic now, and he's got clean air to drive into.
[53:34.500 -> 53:35.700] So he catches up to them.
[53:35.700 -> 53:37.280] He takes some of that time out of them.
[53:37.700 -> 53:41.000] Alonso puts the wrong tire on, Max waits an extra lap.
[53:41.500 -> 53:43.660] Carlos comes in, puts the enters on.
[53:44.340 -> 53:45.780] Where is he now?
[53:45.780 -> 53:47.480] How close is he to Alonso?
[53:47.480 -> 53:52.000] How close is he to Max when they come out on their cold enters and he's got his all
[53:52.000 -> 53:55.520] the fully way up to operating temperature?
[53:55.520 -> 53:59.960] I'm just saying I can understand both sides of this argument.
[53:59.960 -> 54:04.840] Well, Ferrari also in there with sides, while we're on sort of Ferrari and strategy and
[54:04.840 -> 54:05.280] stuff like that,
[54:06.160 -> 54:09.440] you know, I think they, well, as I've said before, yeah, first balls to be dropped,
[54:09.440 -> 54:14.800] Ferrari will drop them probably. But when the rain did come with Ferrari, this is what baffled me,
[54:15.360 -> 54:20.400] they've got two cars, they could have split one, they could have put one onto another tire and
[54:20.400 -> 54:27.240] hedged their bets, but instead they chose to be wrong with both cars at the same time, which is incredibly Ferrari.
[54:28.040 -> 54:32.820] The pressures of Ferrari, I think I'll steer clear of the
[54:32.820 -> 54:36.180] criticism of them. I think it's easy. They're an easy target, I
[54:36.180 -> 54:39.200] think, these days, Ferrari, with their strategy and everything.
[54:39.600 -> 54:42.960] And one guy we haven't actually touched up on too much was Pierre
[54:42.960 -> 54:45.320] Gasly, who was in the second Alpine. Now, I want to know, now, who wants to go on this? Because I think Pierre guy we haven't actually touched up on too much was Pierre Gasly, who was in the second Alpine.
[54:45.320 -> 54:47.680] Now, I want to know, who wants to go on this?
[54:47.680 -> 54:51.480] Because I think Pierre Gasly had a decent race, scored great points,
[54:51.840 -> 54:55.560] but then what ruined it was his teammate Esteban Ocon scored a podium.
[54:55.720 -> 54:59.040] So what's our judgment on Pierre Gasly, Jules?
[54:59.040 -> 55:01.000] Do you think that or Kyle, do you want to go with this one?
[55:01.000 -> 55:03.440] Is that a good performance from Pierre Gasly?
[55:03.960 -> 55:09.920] I think it was a very good performance from Gasly because he has been completely overshadowed by
[55:09.920 -> 55:15.840] Ocon this year. And I thought that was quite a solid performance. The Alpine clearly had decent
[55:15.840 -> 55:21.840] pace, but again, he was outperformed again by his teammates. So yes, Gasly had a good result.
[55:21.840 -> 55:28.040] Would he be happy? No sirree, he's going to be a depressed boy again because he's been outscored by his teammates again.
[55:28.040 -> 55:31.280] And I'm so sorry, Matt, for taking some Ocon limelight away from you.
[55:31.280 -> 55:33.120] It's all good.
[55:33.120 -> 55:35.080] I'm happy to share the love.
[55:35.080 -> 55:38.520] Well, Matt, don't they have a very nice relationship?
[55:38.520 -> 55:40.440] Don't they have a great history, Gasly and Ocon?
[55:40.440 -> 55:42.440] Or am I getting it mistaken for somebody else?
[55:42.440 -> 55:45.400] They have such a tumultuous relationship and tumultuous
[55:45.400 -> 55:45.920] history.
[55:47.680 -> 55:52.120] It they have a long history with its ups and downs. Let's put it
[55:52.120 -> 55:54.600] that way. But you you ask, was it a good performance from
[55:54.600 -> 55:58.200] Gasly? Yeah, actually, it was a good performance from Gasly. Did
[55:58.200 -> 56:02.080] the team maybe miss a chance to keep him out longer on the hard
[56:02.080 -> 56:05.400] tire? Well, if you look at what Russell did, yes. But
[56:05.400 -> 56:10.640] then that begs the question, was he suffering enough with the hard tire at that point? He had
[56:10.640 -> 56:17.920] to come in. But what I will say is Gasly had a good performance, but Alkan and that Alpine had
[56:17.920 -> 56:26.180] a stunning performance. Not the first one he's had, Not entirely a surprise to people who've followed him from the days of Marussia and
[56:26.180 -> 56:32.520] seen him be good in Brazil in the wet, but he absolutely showed today that he's a class
[56:32.520 -> 56:33.460] driver, I think.
[56:34.140 -> 56:36.320] And back up to the Mercedes, actually.
[56:38.660 -> 56:42.520] To the Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton had a brilliant race, you could say.
[56:42.720 -> 56:47.320] Somebody who seemed to appear really well in the practice sessions until his
[56:47.320 -> 56:48.680] accident in practice three.
[56:49.040 -> 56:53.080] The car was wheeled up into a crane about 50 feet in the air,
[56:53.080 -> 56:57.200] I think as high as the new helicopters that Formula One had running because they
[56:57.200 -> 57:00.720] were broadcasting the race for the first time, apart from the local broadcasters.
[57:01.160 -> 57:07.840] And then all of a sudden in qualifying, you're like, well, where's Hamilton gone? Where's his performances? We're a bit confused here.
[57:08.040 -> 57:09.600] And somehow Kyle,
[57:09.840 -> 57:13.400] he puts it up onto a very respectful position on the grid,
[57:13.400 -> 57:16.440] starts in the top five and had a brilliant race.
[57:16.440 -> 57:20.560] And those Mercedes upgrades is what everybody was looking for.
[57:20.560 -> 57:21.720] Everybody was looking to see,
[57:21.720 -> 57:30.040] are these upgrades going to propel Mercedes into a winning position? Are we going to return to championship contenders like we were in 2021? How were
[57:30.040 -> 57:32.880] the upgrades? Did you think they were good?
[57:32.880 -> 57:37.080] It's almost impossible to tell. The only way you can tell is how happy did the drivers
[57:37.080 -> 57:42.080] seem in some of the interviews afterwards. Monaco is a completely unrepresentative track.
[57:42.080 -> 57:45.200] You know, this is like turning up to a cricket match with your new
[57:45.200 -> 57:49.760] baseball bat type thing. It's not really representative. They're not going to,
[57:52.320 -> 57:58.480] they're not going to know really until Barcelona. So, but Hamilton seemed a bit more happy with it
[57:58.480 -> 58:02.640] and he seemed like the car's still difficult, but a bit nicer. And he said there's elements where
[58:02.640 -> 58:09.760] he can feel it's better, but that, that spill that spill that that little dink into the wall in p3 will completely destroy your confidence going
[58:09.760 -> 58:14.960] into q1 and he's got to be on it. This tricky track, the track is evolving, the track evolution
[58:14.960 -> 58:19.520] was crazy and Hamilton went from struggling to get out of q1. I genuinely thought he was going
[58:19.520 -> 58:24.480] to be knocked out of q1 at one point and right at the death he managed he manages to get himself out
[58:24.480 -> 58:25.120] of it,
[58:25.120 -> 58:29.680] puts it sixth on the grid, he got promoted by Charles Leclerc getting a penalty, but um but
[58:29.680 -> 58:33.360] yeah and then gets P4 in a race so I think it's a very strong performance from Hamilton there and a
[58:33.360 -> 58:38.560] bit of a save. I think it's a positive direction with the upgrades because you just see both him
[58:38.560 -> 58:44.240] and George seemed a bit happier in the in the in the press conferences afterwards and again they
[58:44.240 -> 58:45.320] don't know where they are.
[58:45.320 -> 58:46.280] I mean, they didn't have a chance
[58:46.280 -> 58:47.200] to really, really test it.
[58:47.200 -> 58:48.160] Monaco is so different.
[58:48.160 -> 58:50.200] The ride heights are going to be so much higher as well
[58:50.200 -> 58:51.560] than they're running on a normal circuit
[58:51.560 -> 58:52.960] because it's so bumpy
[58:52.960 -> 58:54.680] and they've got curbs and drain covers to go over.
[58:54.680 -> 58:57.040] So I think Mercedes don't really know,
[58:57.040 -> 58:59.640] but I think they're quietly happy with it.
[58:59.640 -> 59:00.720] Looking from the outside,
[59:00.720 -> 59:04.440] it looks like a positive step, in my opinion, anyway.
[59:04.440 -> 59:05.000] Who knows? Well, anyway, who knows?
[59:05.440 -> 59:07.960] Well, Matt, these upgrades were supposed to come in last week at
[59:07.960 -> 59:10.760] Imola. So this wasn't the track that Mercedes were supposed to
[59:10.760 -> 59:11.960] test them for the first time.
[59:12.400 -> 59:16.600] Well, no, and even Imola would have been challenging because
[59:16.600 -> 59:20.680] they were employing a new qualifying format that
[59:20.680 -> 59:27.840] restricted the amount of tires you had to use, and would have complicated their data gathering somewhat.
[59:27.840 -> 59:31.200] But given that, I have to say that,
[59:31.200 -> 59:34.360] and no, it's not just because they glued googly eyes on them,
[59:34.360 -> 59:39.080] the car looked happier in this new configuration.
[59:39.080 -> 59:40.920] For all the people who were like,
[59:40.920 -> 59:43.880] see, I told you it was the side pods.
[59:43.880 -> 59:48.640] Well, yeah, the side pods are pretty interesting. I won't I won't disagree with that but where my
[59:48.640 -> 59:54.160] attention has really been drawn is the redone front suspension and I suspect
[59:54.160 -> 01:00:01.080] that had they the budget to homologate a new chassis we would see also a reworked
[01:00:01.080 -> 01:00:06.640] rear suspension as well in gear casing and that's probably what's on offer for
[01:00:06.640 -> 01:00:14.240] next season. But Kyle is right. It's Barcelona that will show us the real potential of this car
[01:00:14.240 -> 01:00:19.200] in this season. But the real potential of this car we won't know until next year.
[01:00:19.200 -> 01:00:25.200] And that's big Jules. I can't wait till next year. I want Mercedes to win now. That's what we all want,
[01:00:25.200 -> 01:00:30.800] a Mercedes win now. When's it going to happen? Nobody's sure that's going to happen. I think
[01:00:31.760 -> 01:00:38.880] if you'd want that, if you hope for that, you can retract some hope from last year when they were
[01:00:38.880 -> 01:00:46.880] way off and until the last few races, they looked like they were pretty much getting up to par with Red Bull.
[01:00:47.440 -> 01:00:52.400] I think they won't be disappointed with this weekend, finishing fourth and fifth
[01:00:53.200 -> 01:01:01.120] on a track like this, where you run your B-spec, so to say, for the first time. I think that's
[01:01:01.120 -> 01:01:05.960] more than they could have wished for, to be fair.
[01:01:05.960 -> 01:01:13.760] And I think Hamilton after the race said that he found the car to be pretty stiff, but he
[01:01:13.760 -> 01:01:21.560] sounded very upbeat about exploring the development of this car.
[01:01:21.560 -> 01:01:25.480] And I think overall, if you hear him this weekend, I think Russell
[01:01:25.480 -> 01:01:30.640] has been a bit more on the surface, but if you go from Hamilton's remarks during the
[01:01:30.640 -> 01:01:38.000] last couple of days, it sounds promising and it sounds like he feels a lot better at home
[01:01:38.000 -> 01:01:40.840] within this car.
[01:01:40.840 -> 01:01:47.600] I think we didn't hear him say one time this weekend that he didn't feel connected,
[01:01:47.600 -> 01:01:52.200] which was the remark of the first six races, I think, of this season.
[01:01:52.200 -> 01:01:55.720] So next up is Spain.
[01:01:55.720 -> 01:01:58.600] It would be a good track to test that, obviously.
[01:01:58.600 -> 01:02:07.200] And luckily for them, it's a regular weekend, no sprint races, no qualifying geeks and goofs and gimmicks.
[01:02:07.200 -> 01:02:14.880] So yeah, I'm hoping for whoever, but to make this season more interesting.
[01:02:14.880 -> 01:02:22.800] And, you know, it would come from Mercedes, if from any team.
[01:02:22.800 -> 01:02:24.640] And it's interesting with this upgrade package.
[01:02:24.640 -> 01:02:25.000] I mean, keep using the word upgrade. if from any team. Yeah. And it's interesting with this upgrade package.
[01:02:26.560 -> 01:02:26.580] I mean, keep using the word upgrade.
[01:02:29.480 -> 01:02:30.040] I'm actually looking at this not as an upgrade, as a reset.
[01:02:31.560 -> 01:02:33.840] It's not upgrade to make performance. They are essentially resetting the direction they're going in.
[01:02:33.840 -> 01:02:38.400] So they are essentially turning up with almost like a Bahrain spec car,
[01:02:38.440 -> 01:02:39.160] which the other ones did.
[01:02:39.160 -> 01:02:42.480] So they're now like sort of several races behind the development curve
[01:02:42.480 -> 01:02:44.000] though, but they needed this correction.
[01:02:44.000 -> 01:02:48.640] So it's essentially, it's a correction and a reset rather than an upgrade in my opinion.
[01:02:48.640 -> 01:02:53.280] But even if you do have a nice upgrade, you need to get the setup right. And of course,
[01:02:53.280 -> 01:02:57.440] you don't really know what the setup is going to be, what are the parameters the car are going to
[01:02:57.440 -> 01:03:01.440] work in. So you need your simulation tools, and you also need the very initial inputs from the
[01:03:01.440 -> 01:03:10.400] driver and the very limited practice running that they have now. Even if they get hour sessions, they can only run very limited laps in those sort of practice
[01:03:10.400 -> 01:03:13.520] sessions. And the driver then probably has to dictate, he wants the setup to go in the right
[01:03:13.520 -> 01:03:19.200] direction. So, you know, little birdie may tell us that I think Hamilton may have chosen and
[01:03:19.200 -> 01:03:23.600] demanded to go into the wrong setup direction, which is why they may be struggled a little bit.
[01:03:23.600 -> 01:03:27.080] And we heard that George was apparently struggling with setup over the weekend.
[01:03:27.400 -> 01:03:31.440] But yeah, so Hamilton himself said that they've gone the wrong direction in the
[01:03:31.440 -> 01:03:31.940] setup.
[01:03:32.160 -> 01:03:35.920] So, um, and again, they were essentially stabbing in the dark and they may have
[01:03:35.920 -> 01:03:36.400] got it wrong.
[01:03:36.400 -> 01:03:41.200] So to finish fourth and fifth with a dodgy setup on the car after a complete reset, I
[01:03:41.200 -> 01:03:45.360] think that's a quite a big success on the reset, not upgrades.
[01:03:46.080 -> 01:03:53.280] Yeah, exactly. I mean, even with this setup mistake, which Lewis owned up to,
[01:03:53.280 -> 01:03:59.760] I think if you look at that there are six races down on development, you know, they decided on
[01:03:59.760 -> 01:04:05.740] this going into this path during the Bahrain test, I think, as I said, you can't
[01:04:05.740 -> 01:04:10.400] complain finishing fourth and fifth and, you know, being where you are. They don't
[01:04:10.400 -> 01:04:15.240] seem to have lost any ground as opposed to the first five races with their A-spec.
[01:04:15.240 -> 01:04:19.420] Well, and I think the point that everybody is making is the correct one.
[01:04:19.420 -> 01:04:25.880] Let's face it, they couldn't show up with the old setup just for Monaco because they
[01:04:25.880 -> 01:04:30.640] had to change how they constructed the cars. Once they made this change it was
[01:04:30.640 -> 01:04:34.320] going to be what they had to bring. They were stuck with it. They were stuck with
[01:04:34.320 -> 01:04:39.320] a brand new setup that they'd only been able to test in simulations. They showed
[01:04:39.320 -> 01:04:50.980] up here, they didn't necessarily get it entirely right. And look where they finished. They have a much more benign platform to work with,
[01:04:50.980 -> 01:04:53.440] with a much bigger margin of error.
[01:04:53.440 -> 01:04:56.540] If I took anything away from this week's racing,
[01:04:56.540 -> 01:04:57.940] I take that away.
[01:04:57.940 -> 01:05:01.540] And that is hugely promising because they've been working with
[01:05:01.540 -> 01:05:05.600] a very complicated, fiddly, difficult to deal with setup,
[01:05:05.600 -> 01:05:07.980] and they've actually been able to do okay with it.
[01:05:07.980 -> 01:05:10.260] Give them something that's easy to deal with.
[01:05:10.260 -> 01:05:12.360] Imagine now with the knowledge they've gained
[01:05:12.360 -> 01:05:14.060] over the last season and a half,
[01:05:14.060 -> 01:05:16.540] they should really be able to wring the neck
[01:05:16.540 -> 01:05:19.780] of this thing out over the rest of the season.
[01:05:19.780 -> 01:05:23.500] Well, we like to assign blame on the Missed Apex podcast.
[01:05:23.500 -> 01:05:25.040] And so I think it's time for
[01:05:25.040 -> 01:05:27.440] everyone's favorite segment, Whose Fault is it?
[01:05:27.440 -> 01:05:31.360] Whose Fault is it?
[01:05:34.960 -> 01:05:42.280] Ah, Logan Sargent, the rookie of F1 and he's very good, he's got some potential
[01:05:42.280 -> 01:05:46.800] and his team were putting him out here today, Kyle, in terms of,
[01:05:46.800 -> 01:05:53.600] oh, okay, let's put him out on a new tyre and get some testing out of the way and let's try and lap cars quickly.
[01:05:53.600 -> 01:06:00.800] But he was also involved in some on-track scraps as well. The hairpin was a bit of chaos for Logan Sargent.
[01:06:00.800 -> 01:06:09.860] It was, and I actually don't think any of these are particularly his fault. I actually think he did a really, really good job of avoiding being planted into the barrier
[01:06:09.860 -> 01:06:10.860] several times.
[01:06:10.860 -> 01:06:14.620] Like I said, there was the, well, what can I even describe as the physical assault by
[01:06:14.620 -> 01:06:17.660] Hulkenberg on him into Mirabeau on lap one.
[01:06:17.660 -> 01:06:19.500] He saw it, opened the wheel, and got out.
[01:06:19.500 -> 01:06:21.300] And again, when he got dive bombed.
[01:06:21.300 -> 01:06:26.620] Now, there was two Williams trains setting up, one Albon and then one behind Sargent as well. And he
[01:06:26.620 -> 01:06:29.800] had a like a train of very frustrated cars behind him. And
[01:06:29.800 -> 01:06:33.720] KMAG basically pulled the pin on this and actually sent a huge
[01:06:33.720 -> 01:06:37.400] move on him again, I believe into Mirabeau. And that opened,
[01:06:37.680 -> 01:06:41.560] basically, that basically opened the doors for there is a very
[01:06:41.920 -> 01:06:45.080] explicit way I could, a word I could use to describe this,
[01:06:45.080 -> 01:06:45.920] and I'm not going to,
[01:06:45.920 -> 01:06:47.760] I'm going to say basically open the doors
[01:06:47.760 -> 01:06:51.360] to a group and collective mugging of Sargent.
[01:06:51.360 -> 01:06:54.800] And I felt quite, quite, quite sorry for him.
[01:06:54.800 -> 01:06:56.880] Cause once one dived, he's obviously a bit spooked,
[01:06:56.880 -> 01:06:58.680] he's offline, then the next one dive
[01:06:58.680 -> 01:07:00.760] and everyone just jumped in, they were like vultures.
[01:07:00.760 -> 01:07:04.000] And he got absolutely rinsed by just about everybody.
[01:07:04.000 -> 01:07:05.520] But credit where credit's due,
[01:07:05.520 -> 01:07:09.520] he didn't turn in on anyone, he didn't hardly get involved in the scratch, he managed to somehow
[01:07:09.520 -> 01:07:14.320] just about keep himself alive and out of trouble even though he was being dive bombed left, right
[01:07:14.320 -> 01:07:18.320] and centre. And it's horrible, I've been in sim races when this happens and your confidence gets
[01:07:18.320 -> 01:07:22.240] shot and you're getting dive bombed, but I thought he actually kept his head really well to be honest.
[01:07:22.960 -> 01:07:28.560] Which is impressive Jules for a Nept1 rookie who's under pressure in a car which just seemed to not
[01:07:28.560 -> 01:07:33.920] be there during the race. He's attacked by a hungry bunch of F1 drivers who have a lot to prove
[01:07:33.920 -> 01:07:36.560] and Logan Sargent managed to get it to the chequered flag.
[01:07:37.120 -> 01:07:48.040] Yeah, yeah. I must say I had a bit of an eye out for him to see. I always like to see what rookies do on a track like this,
[01:07:48.440 -> 01:07:50.040] because it's so demanding.
[01:07:50.040 -> 01:07:52.440] It lasts for such a long time.
[01:07:52.440 -> 01:07:55.200] You need to stay focused for the whole time.
[01:07:55.200 -> 01:07:56.640] And I thought he did really well.
[01:07:56.640 -> 01:07:58.680] I kind of felt for him.
[01:07:58.680 -> 01:08:00.200] When first, after the start,
[01:08:00.200 -> 01:08:04.720] he had cars going left and right on the side of him,
[01:08:07.720 -> 01:08:14.000] trying some dive bombs. And then after his tires dropped off, yeah, he was a sitting duck.
[01:08:14.000 -> 01:08:16.640] But I think he managed it really well.
[01:08:16.640 -> 01:08:22.360] And you know, you got to take your head off for what he for what he's shown today.
[01:08:22.360 -> 01:08:25.680] Well, one thing that I do want to bring up, we talked about this
[01:08:25.680 -> 01:08:32.000] being a real chance for a non-Red Bull car to win, specifically the Aston Martin Avalanzo,
[01:08:32.640 -> 01:08:38.880] and it was. Well, this is the exact opposite if you're driving a Williams, a car that is
[01:08:38.880 -> 01:08:47.040] optimized to go super fast on long straight stretches of track and just hang on by fingernails through the twisty
[01:08:47.040 -> 01:08:55.600] bits. This is the worst track for Williams I can imagine, but it also shows up where experience
[01:08:55.600 -> 01:09:01.520] really matters in Formula One, and that's... you're gonna be angry I'm gonna say the words
[01:09:01.520 -> 01:09:05.080] tire and management next to each other, but this is
[01:09:05.080 -> 01:09:12.280] where experience is really mattering a lot. And Sergeant is still learning his craft.
[01:09:12.280 -> 01:09:18.940] It's resurfaced. We had weather changes, but he was just getting killed, keeping his tires
[01:09:18.940 -> 01:09:46.880] alive. And that's something that he should be able to grow into with the support of his team and with the help of his teammate Alex Alban, who seems to be more on top of it, having. Basically, so this highlights a problem. So Williams, stuck Sergeant after all of his shenanigans
[01:09:46.880 -> 01:09:52.280] and getting mugged, basically put him on to the soft tires.
[01:09:52.280 -> 01:09:54.120] And they said, so they can give him a lesson
[01:09:54.120 -> 01:09:57.040] in how to manage, deal with the graining on the tires.
[01:09:57.040 -> 01:09:59.440] The engineers are talking him through what to do.
[01:09:59.440 -> 01:10:01.920] And this highlights a quite ridiculous thing
[01:10:01.920 -> 01:10:03.340] that keeps happening in Formula One at the moment
[01:10:03.340 -> 01:10:07.280] and really starts getting my back up. As in these rookie drivers come in,
[01:10:07.280 -> 01:10:10.620] Formula One, there's barely any testing, they get a lot of simulator, but there's
[01:10:10.620 -> 01:10:13.880] barely any testing in a real car, they barely have a chance to get on track,
[01:10:13.880 -> 01:10:16.760] they put under immediate pressure and then you have people at Helmut Marko
[01:10:16.760 -> 01:10:20.800] after one and a half races saying your career could be at risk here. So this is
[01:10:20.800 -> 01:10:24.960] like Williams are actually using the race to try to teach him because he's
[01:10:24.960 -> 01:10:29.200] had no time and these these new drivers coming in have got barely any time to learn and they're
[01:10:29.200 -> 01:10:32.640] instantly put under the spotlight and their seats are at risk after three, four races.
[01:10:32.640 -> 01:10:36.960] And I think this is a really, really negative thing for Formula One and you have to give
[01:10:36.960 -> 01:10:37.960] them a chance to bed in.
[01:10:37.960 -> 01:10:42.040] Now, if there was more testing during the winter, yes, that wouldn't be so much of an
[01:10:42.040 -> 01:10:45.860] excuse, but I think people forget that these guys essentially had one and a half
[01:10:45.860 -> 01:10:50.220] days in this car to learn. And that is it thrown straight into
[01:10:50.220 -> 01:10:53.260] the season. So actually, I think we should cut them a bit more
[01:10:53.260 -> 01:10:53.700] slack.
[01:10:54.180 -> 01:10:56.780] Well, this happened last year, Matt, where I was very critical
[01:10:56.780 -> 01:11:00.500] of Yuki Tsunoda and Pierre Gasly was, fair to say, wiping the
[01:11:00.500 -> 01:11:03.300] floor with him to begin the year. And now Yuki Tsunoda is
[01:11:03.300 -> 01:11:06.600] doing the same to Nick de Vries, who Kyle referenced there,
[01:11:06.600 -> 01:11:08.440] where Helmut Marko is putting him under pressure
[01:11:08.440 -> 01:11:09.280] a little bit.
[01:11:09.280 -> 01:11:11.080] And look, Logan Sargent's in the same position,
[01:11:11.080 -> 01:11:13.560] a driver who needs testing time in the car.
[01:11:13.560 -> 01:11:15.400] And when you're sitting in last place,
[01:11:15.400 -> 01:11:18.240] struggling for pace, it's the best time.
[01:11:18.240 -> 01:11:20.960] Wait, are we talking about how DeVries saved his career
[01:11:20.960 -> 01:11:22.800] by beating his teammate today?
[01:11:22.800 -> 01:11:25.120] He saved his career, now that's a hot one.
[01:11:25.120 -> 01:11:26.600] Now that's a hot one right there.
[01:11:26.600 -> 01:11:28.900] One race, one race makes a difference.
[01:11:28.900 -> 01:11:32.560] And what was it, for P12 I think at the end?
[01:11:32.560 -> 01:11:35.360] There was at least one car between him and Tsunoda.
[01:11:35.360 -> 01:11:39.200] Although to be fair, I think Tsunoda was having issues with his brakes.
[01:11:39.200 -> 01:11:40.200] He did have issues.
[01:11:40.200 -> 01:11:44.560] Probably with glazing, which is a complicated technical subject that I could easily spend
[01:11:44.560 -> 01:11:45.980] 15 or 20 minutes talking about
[01:11:45.980 -> 01:11:47.520] with Kyle, if you'd like.
[01:11:47.520 -> 01:11:48.880] Well, the only glazing I've heard of
[01:11:48.880 -> 01:11:50.600] is the ones you do on cakes and stuff.
[01:11:50.600 -> 01:11:52.760] Is this a different form of glazing?
[01:11:52.760 -> 01:11:54.720] Yeah, well, in essence, and Kyle,
[01:11:54.720 -> 01:11:56.600] if you'd rather explain this, please go ahead.
[01:11:56.600 -> 01:11:59.240] But in essence, it happens when,
[01:11:59.240 -> 01:12:01.260] because Formula 1 brakes need to be really hot
[01:12:01.260 -> 01:12:02.520] to work properly.
[01:12:02.520 -> 01:12:04.400] If you don't brake hard enough,
[01:12:04.400 -> 01:12:09.340] the brakes just simply don't work at all. But if you get them hot enough, and then you let them
[01:12:09.340 -> 01:12:13.500] cool down too much, you get sort of this coating on the brake disc.
[01:12:13.500 -> 01:12:17.440] Yeah, so it's sort of you get this thing almost called work hardening that you get,
[01:12:17.440 -> 01:12:21.760] and you kind of create this almost like this very hard layer, and you can't break through
[01:12:21.760 -> 01:12:29.360] it. Remember, one of the most poignant cases we had of this, I remember, was the 2008 qualifying session in Monza, the race that Vettel won,
[01:12:29.360 -> 01:12:32.880] and it was wet and Hamilton glazed his brakes, and he was in a bitter championship battle with
[01:12:32.880 -> 01:12:36.320] Massa at the time, and he just couldn't get through to qualifying because he managed to glaze his
[01:12:36.320 -> 01:12:41.920] brakes. And we're not confirmed that this is what happened to Tsunoda, but his team are actually on
[01:12:41.920 -> 01:12:48.220] onto him saying, you know, they can see many issues and they're actually giving in the hurry up and we don't it's not often you hear that saying, look,
[01:12:48.220 -> 01:12:50.700] you need to be faster, push, push through it.
[01:12:50.700 -> 01:12:53.580] And I love Yuki's clap back, like you're trying to crash me.
[01:12:53.580 -> 01:12:54.580] What's going on here?
[01:12:54.580 -> 01:12:58.340] So but if you've got no confidence on the brakes in Monaco, that is bad.
[01:12:58.340 -> 01:12:59.660] And he didn't want to put it in a wall.
[01:12:59.660 -> 01:13:02.940] So it may not have been glazing, it may have been some other issue.
[01:13:02.940 -> 01:13:05.600] It may have been, but you will admit,
[01:13:05.600 -> 01:13:11.920] just for the sake of the show, that we had perfect conditions for it because you had one tiny bit of
[01:13:11.920 -> 01:13:16.880] the track that was super slippery where you had to go slow, and then you had other bits of the
[01:13:16.880 -> 01:13:21.200] track that were almost dry where you were really getting the brakes hot, and then you had brakes
[01:13:21.200 -> 01:13:25.440] that were set up for dry conditions and a much hotter track.
[01:13:25.440 -> 01:13:34.440] Absolutely, and usually if they know it's a wet session, before they go out into the wet session, they'll put some tape over the brake ducts to try to keep the brake temperatures more in the window.
[01:13:34.440 -> 01:13:41.440] And of course, in the middle of a pit stop, which takes two point something seconds, you don't really have time to get the gaffer tape out.
[01:13:41.440 -> 01:13:45.480] And they're not allowed to make dynamic little shutters on them because that'd be a movable aerodynamic
[01:13:45.480 -> 01:13:49.480] device. So yeah, it probably was the perfect, perfect, we had all
[01:13:49.480 -> 01:13:52.560] the ingredients to make brake glaze soup. And he may have had
[01:13:52.560 -> 01:13:55.360] it, we may not, but we don't know. But I did feel for him
[01:13:55.360 -> 01:13:55.840] slightly.
[01:13:56.280 -> 01:13:59.920] Well, it seemed like everybody's brakes were glazing in the
[01:13:59.920 -> 01:14:04.160] opening laps anyway. So on the whose fault is it? I know Nico
[01:14:04.160 -> 01:14:08.340] Hülkenberg did receive the five second penalty with Sargent. So
[01:14:08.400 -> 01:14:12.280] can we all agree? Is anybody who thou shalt speak now unless
[01:14:12.280 -> 01:14:15.400] otherwise disagree with that penalty? I guess everybody sort
[01:14:15.400 -> 01:14:16.840] of says it was fair, Matt.
[01:14:17.280 -> 01:14:20.400] I fail to see the problem with using somebody else's brake to
[01:14:20.400 -> 01:14:21.280] stop your car.
[01:14:22.800 -> 01:14:25.800] Which is important to make it to the end of the race and
[01:14:25.800 -> 01:14:28.560] potentially make it onto the podium, which leads us to our
[01:14:28.560 -> 01:14:29.440] podium here.
[01:14:38.280 -> 01:14:41.200] So which one do we usually go with first? Is it the good
[01:14:41.200 -> 01:14:43.480] thing? Should we start with the good thing of the week and the
[01:14:43.480 -> 01:14:48.160] thing of the weekend? Who wants to go first on this one? Everybody's really protective I think
[01:14:48.160 -> 01:14:52.240] of their thing of the weekend. Kyle you've been seriously protective of yours this weekend.
[01:14:52.240 -> 01:14:56.160] Well yeah because I know and you've got to keep it a secret because one of the other pesky
[01:14:56.160 -> 01:15:00.320] panelists or hosts will snipe your thing of the weekend and leave you completely stumped and on
[01:15:00.320 -> 01:15:04.080] the spot and I usually completely forget about these awards and usually have to make something
[01:15:04.080 -> 01:15:08.960] up but I actually thought about this one during the race and after the race and that was
[01:15:08.960 -> 01:15:14.080] we had a Monaco Grand Prix with cars out of position with lots of broken carbon fiber,
[01:15:14.720 -> 01:15:19.920] changeable weather conditions, all the tire compounds used, slippery, track temperature
[01:15:19.920 -> 01:15:25.720] changing and it wasn't a safety car. There was not a safety car. And in the recent history
[01:15:25.720 -> 01:15:30.060] of Formula One with this, you know, in very recent history of them being so risk averse
[01:15:30.060 -> 01:15:34.640] that even if a martial part of them followed through they'd throw a safety car. There was
[01:15:34.640 -> 01:15:38.460] no safety car. I couldn't believe it. And that is my thing of the weekend. Nice one
[01:15:38.460 -> 01:15:41.920] Formula One. Well done all the drivers and well done race direction. I thought it was
[01:15:41.920 -> 01:15:50.080] spot on and that is such a rare, rare thing to happen. I just thought it was crazy. But guaranteed, I'm lucky I didn't look at
[01:15:50.080 -> 01:15:53.120] my betting app too much before this because there's usually a bet, will there be a safety
[01:15:53.120 -> 01:15:57.640] car, yes or no? And it's like free money, just free, just to put money on that and really,
[01:15:57.640 -> 01:16:00.000] really happy I didn't go down that route.
[01:16:00.000 -> 01:16:03.320] I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of the betting markets when no safety car
[01:16:03.320 -> 01:16:06.580] came out. I think the last one, Kyle, was 2021.
[01:16:06.600 -> 01:16:08.460] Monaco didn't have a safety car.
[01:16:08.620 -> 01:16:10.420] And before that was 2009.
[01:16:10.580 -> 01:16:11.820] So, you're talking over a decade.
[01:16:12.100 -> 01:16:17.760] And I believe both, neither of those races had rain as well, which just makes it even more
[01:16:18.100 -> 01:16:20.700] amazing. So, yeah, that's my thing of the weekend.
[01:16:20.700 -> 01:16:21.380] I think it's incredible.
[01:16:21.860 -> 01:16:26.080] Jules, did Kyle steal your thing of the weekend with the safety cars?
[01:16:26.080 -> 01:16:33.080] Luckily not, though I wish I had such an original one as this one because I hadn't thought of
[01:16:33.080 -> 01:16:41.840] it. But my thing of the weekend got a slight mention already, but it is Nick De Vries.
[01:16:41.840 -> 01:16:48.320] One of the media stories besides Hamilton and Ferrari was De Vries' position would be a threat.
[01:16:48.320 -> 01:16:52.000] And I think he did exactly what he needed to do.
[01:16:52.000 -> 01:17:03.360] Have a solid weekend, not trying to be a hero, keeping a car that is arguably the worst Alfa Tauri or Tauri Rosso from recent history.
[01:17:03.360 -> 01:17:08.040] Keeping it in these conditions conditions on track, no
[01:17:08.040 -> 01:17:09.040] damage.
[01:17:09.040 -> 01:17:13.560] I think he did a good job to cut himself some slack.
[01:17:13.560 -> 01:17:15.320] Matt, did you like that one?
[01:17:15.320 -> 01:17:17.400] Yeah, actually, I liked that one.
[01:17:17.400 -> 01:17:23.760] And of course, I wish we had another 90 minutes to discuss how there's sort of a media feedback
[01:17:23.760 -> 01:17:25.820] loop that seems to be influencing how
[01:17:25.820 -> 01:17:30.880] teams are having to deal with drivers that seems to be more and more powerful
[01:17:30.880 -> 01:17:35.500] these days than I remember it being in the past, although being old my memory is
[01:17:35.500 -> 01:17:40.260] sometimes somewhat suspect. So I would agree with Jules and think that that
[01:17:40.260 -> 01:17:46.640] could be a fruitful discussion for another day, Let's put it that way. And as far as my
[01:17:46.640 -> 01:17:52.880] thing of the week, you would probably say it has to be, you know, one of my favorite drivers,
[01:17:53.520 -> 01:17:59.920] a person for whom I root, Esteban Ocon, finishing third, giving props to the team,
[01:18:00.560 -> 01:18:09.960] and the team itself under immense pressure from its corporate management delivering. They said we promise we want to fight for a third fastest team and
[01:18:09.960 -> 01:18:15.280] say what you will about today. I think you could make a salient argument they
[01:18:15.280 -> 01:18:19.360] were not the third fastest team today but the driving and the nature of the
[01:18:19.360 -> 01:18:30.440] track let them stay there. But on Saturday, they were legitimately the third fastest car onto that track behind the Ferraris.
[01:18:30.440 -> 01:18:32.160] Well, fourth fastest, I suppose.
[01:18:32.160 -> 01:18:35.860] Technically, Leclerc was faster, had he not obstructed.
[01:18:35.860 -> 01:18:36.900] But they were the fourth.
[01:18:36.900 -> 01:18:38.060] But whatever, they were doing what
[01:18:38.060 -> 01:18:39.640] they said they were going to be doing.
[01:18:39.640 -> 01:18:41.000] And we're all happy about that.
[01:18:41.000 -> 01:18:43.360] But I have to give an honorable mention,
[01:18:43.360 -> 01:18:44.920] because we didn't bring it up.
[01:18:44.920 -> 01:18:45.120] People were like, why should I like Monaco? Here's my answer. about that but I have to give an honorable mention because we didn't bring it up people
[01:18:45.120 -> 01:18:53.880] like why should I like Monaco here's my answer crane Monaco will pick your car up and show it's
[01:18:53.880 -> 01:19:01.280] nether regions to the world unlike any other track and all of my technical f1 journalist
[01:19:01.280 -> 01:19:05.760] friends are so excited to have all of these pictures finally,
[01:19:05.760 -> 01:19:12.160] finally of the floors of the cars even though like you know they don't tell you
[01:19:12.160 -> 01:19:16.520] everything about the car but they've just been hiding them for no real
[01:19:16.520 -> 01:19:20.120] particular reason because it's not like anyone can copy anybody else's because
[01:19:20.120 -> 01:19:24.440] it depends on how the whole rest of the car is designed but it's nice to we got
[01:19:24.440 -> 01:19:30.480] everybody but I think Aston's that we care about. Well, that actually, I think it's the worst place to crash
[01:19:30.480 -> 01:19:35.360] would be Monaco for that reason, because everybody can steal your underfloor design, the design that
[01:19:35.360 -> 01:19:41.280] is responsible for 50% of the aerodynamics of the car. That's what they say. And yet it shows up,
[01:19:41.280 -> 01:19:45.240] Kyle, when you crash at Monaco, it is the most devastating thing.
[01:19:45.240 -> 01:19:47.000] I think there was a picture of Adrian Newey
[01:19:47.000 -> 01:19:49.280] who was devastated when Perez crashed in qualifying,
[01:19:49.280 -> 01:19:50.320] I think, or was it another crash?
[01:19:50.320 -> 01:19:51.280] I'm not sure.
[01:19:51.280 -> 01:19:52.800] Yeah, it's just, well, none of them like
[01:19:52.800 -> 01:19:56.440] their dirty underfloors being shown in public, do they?
[01:19:56.440 -> 01:19:57.260] No, they don't.
[01:19:57.260 -> 01:19:58.100] Well, you know what?
[01:19:58.100 -> 01:20:00.120] That leads into my thing of the weekend,
[01:20:00.120 -> 01:20:01.200] my thang of the weekend,
[01:20:01.200 -> 01:20:02.960] if you're gonna talk about underfloors,
[01:20:02.960 -> 01:20:09.520] but is the opposite is I'm not staring up, I'm staring right down. And it is the helicopter shots at Monaco,
[01:20:09.520 -> 01:20:16.640] which as far as I am aware, since FOM have taken over the coverage from the local broadcasters,
[01:20:16.640 -> 01:20:20.160] is the first time we've had a helicopter at Monaco. Now, it could be wrong, and please
[01:20:20.160 -> 01:20:25.080] excuse me if that is wrong, but I don't remember seeing shots that high up.
[01:20:27.080 -> 01:20:32.000] Yeah, from Monaco. So, that to me was thing of the weekend to get a chopper up there in the principality
[01:20:32.680 -> 01:20:34.040] with all the hills surrounding.
[01:20:35.000 -> 01:20:36.400] That was marvellous.
[01:20:36.400 -> 01:20:39.640] But now it's time to move on to find out what missed the apex.
[01:20:40.120 -> 01:20:43.040] Oh, no, you missed the apex.
[01:20:43.600 -> 01:20:45.240] Matt, there was a lot that happened.
[01:20:45.240 -> 01:20:48.000] A lot of people missed the apex, not literally.
[01:20:48.000 -> 01:20:50.600] I would say if you did miss the apex at Monika, you would crash.
[01:20:50.600 -> 01:20:53.000] What missed the apex for you, Matt?
[01:20:53.000 -> 01:21:01.080] Oh, well, this is a very challenging one because I want to be very arcane and say anyone who
[01:21:01.080 -> 01:21:06.360] wasn't paying attention to Valtteri Bottas sector two times right before everyone switched to enters.
[01:21:06.680 -> 01:21:09.800] But you know what really missed the apex for me?
[01:21:10.720 -> 01:21:16.860] And it's not because I dislike him as a driver as a person, but George Russell's radio messages
[01:21:17.500 -> 01:21:19.500] about swapping positions
[01:21:20.160 -> 01:21:23.720] You know, oh, well, you know, could you let me go ahead of Hamilton?
[01:21:23.720 -> 01:21:25.560] So I could attack Okon because it looks like I'm way
[01:21:25.560 -> 01:21:28.760] faster than him. And then three laps later, he's seven seconds
[01:21:28.760 -> 01:21:33.560] back because his car has been destroyed by Perez. Just, George,
[01:21:33.600 -> 01:21:37.880] I love you. But, but think before you press that send
[01:21:37.880 -> 01:21:39.920] button, my friend, just think a little bit.
[01:21:40.320 -> 01:21:43.600] So this is when George Russell had the five second penalty and
[01:21:43.600 -> 01:21:48.280] said, you know what, if I can get ahead of Lewis, I'll get 4.9 seconds.
[01:21:48.280 -> 01:21:52.080] Kyle, is that fair? 4.9 seconds and I'll let Lewis finish ahead of me.
[01:21:52.240 -> 01:21:55.440] I'll get the point one. It could be nip and tuck. We saw it go wrong.
[01:21:55.440 -> 01:21:59.400] Was it Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello back at Indianapolis
[01:21:59.400 -> 01:22:01.840] one year tried to make it a nip and tuck finish?
[01:22:01.840 -> 01:22:04.520] And yeah, and Barrichello accidentally won the race.
[01:22:05.080 -> 01:22:07.720] Yeah, I think Schumacher was trying to repay Austria
[01:22:07.720 -> 01:22:10.560] that year, but yeah, it's very, very hard to orchestrate.
[01:22:10.560 -> 01:22:13.000] I can kind of understand where George was coming from,
[01:22:13.000 -> 01:22:15.160] was trying to use it as, oh, I've got a penalty,
[01:22:15.160 -> 01:22:17.280] I'm being pushed behind.
[01:22:17.280 -> 01:22:19.040] But George does this in most of the races,
[01:22:19.040 -> 01:22:22.640] he's a wily fox on young shoulders.
[01:22:22.640 -> 01:22:24.840] He's got a wily fox's head on young shoulders.
[01:22:24.840 -> 01:22:28.720] So yeah, Lewis has got to watch his back there, because I think George is kind of sugar wrapped
[01:22:28.720 -> 01:22:34.680] these proposals and suggestions where he will be the main benefactor.
[01:22:35.480 -> 01:22:36.560] So you've got to be a bit careful there.
[01:22:37.280 -> 01:22:42.400] Well, before I forget, Matt, socials for us, Missed Apex, yourself.
[01:22:42.880 -> 01:22:44.280] I always forget your social handle.
[01:22:44.280 -> 01:22:47.660] I know I follow you and everything, but I always remember what your actual handle is.
[01:22:48.000 -> 01:22:52.680] It's at MattPT55 on pretty much any
[01:22:53.720 -> 01:22:55.960] social network you care to search for me on.
[01:22:56.480 -> 01:22:59.320] And you are teammates with KyleKPower55?
[01:23:00.280 -> 01:23:02.000] Kyle Power? Is that it?
[01:23:02.360 -> 01:23:06.000] I'm Kyle Power F1, I believe.
[01:23:06.000 -> 01:23:08.500] Have you lost the 55 or am I thinking of someone different?
[01:23:08.500 -> 01:23:09.500] No, that's Matt.
[01:23:09.500 -> 01:23:11.500] Oh, that's Matt. Oh, sorry. Yes, I'm getting...
[01:23:11.500 -> 01:23:12.500] That's Matt, keeping the 55.
[01:23:12.500 -> 01:23:18.000] Oh, there you go. There you go. I'm getting mixed up there. Well, Kyle, on to you. Bad thing for the weekend.
[01:23:18.000 -> 01:23:27.760] I'm a bit stumped on this one. I'm so... I'm going to take the easy cop out and that's Ferrari dropping the ball
[01:23:27.760 -> 01:23:33.360] again. That's my thing. I don't have any other thing I was thinking. There were several. I've
[01:23:33.360 -> 01:23:41.200] already criticized Perez for his general sort of dive-bombing terrorism that he was doing,
[01:23:42.080 -> 01:23:46.380] but he wasn't even doing that really. But yeah, I'm not gonna say anything bad more about Perez.
[01:23:46.380 -> 01:23:49.660] Yeah, I reckon it's Ferrari somehow managing
[01:23:49.660 -> 01:23:51.740] to screw up again.
[01:23:51.740 -> 01:23:53.000] Not much to say.
[01:23:53.000 -> 01:23:55.420] That must be the hundredth time they've won
[01:23:55.420 -> 01:23:57.500] the Missed Apex Award for screwing up.
[01:23:57.500 -> 01:23:58.340] It's just happened so many-
[01:23:58.340 -> 01:23:59.180] Probably.
[01:23:59.180 -> 01:24:01.300] Are we gonna reach a moment, Kyle,
[01:24:01.300 -> 01:24:02.820] where they actually do, like,
[01:24:02.820 -> 01:24:04.300] actually nail the strategy one day
[01:24:04.300 -> 01:24:06.400] and we're actually pleased? I can't remember the last time that happened.
[01:24:06.960 -> 01:24:12.080] I can't. I can't to be honest. I mean, there's been so much such a litany of areas over the last
[01:24:12.080 -> 01:24:15.680] few seasons. This is why it's a soft target and I probably should stop criticizing them over it
[01:24:15.680 -> 01:24:20.080] because it's a highly pressurized environment and we may, they may have nailed the strategy.
[01:24:20.080 -> 01:24:25.760] It just, we just probably went unnoticed and we're the typical pick up on the negative points but
[01:24:25.760 -> 01:24:31.920] it it is such a sort of a recurring theme now that it's it's it's yeah it's sort of commonplace
[01:24:31.920 -> 01:24:36.720] and you know the engineers on the radio saying we are checking and then not coming back to them
[01:24:36.720 -> 01:24:41.920] which is classic now it's kind of it's kind of becoming like a bit of a meme like a bit of a
[01:24:41.920 -> 01:24:48.640] almost like a comedy event of you know you, when you hear the Ferrari engineers saying, we are checking, it's kind of like, you know,
[01:24:48.640 -> 01:24:51.440] it's almost like a derogatory thing now. It's like, oh, right, they're going to screw it up
[01:24:51.440 -> 01:24:54.960] now and then, aren't they? They say they're going to check it, we know they're going to get it wrong.
[01:24:54.960 -> 01:24:58.880] And yeah, but their own drivers have been angry with them, scientists are angry with them.
[01:24:58.880 -> 01:25:04.000] Yeah, I just, I don't know, for their sake, I hope they have a puller blinder. I hope they,
[01:25:04.000 -> 01:25:07.680] they snaffle a win with a genius strategy decision at some point this year,
[01:25:07.680 -> 01:25:10.560] because I think the team really, really needs it on the strategy thing,
[01:25:10.560 -> 01:25:12.880] just to give them some confidence back in their decision making.
[01:25:13.440 -> 01:25:17.040] I think they're, what, four, five races behind in points now, Jules.
[01:25:17.040 -> 01:25:20.080] It's going to be a tough world for Ferrari for the rest of the year.
[01:25:20.080 -> 01:25:22.080] I think Mercedes is three races behind.
[01:25:22.080 -> 01:25:23.680] Alonso's two races behind.
[01:25:24.240 -> 01:25:26.480] Championship could almost be over and out.
[01:25:26.480 -> 01:25:28.320] Jules, your bad thing of the weekend?
[01:25:28.880 -> 01:25:32.240] Well, I think you should mention it, Jono.
[01:25:33.440 -> 01:25:37.760] My missed apex goes to the team of Aston Martin,
[01:25:38.880 -> 01:25:49.000] not because of the probable strategy mistake they made with Alonso, but because of the fact, I fear for them,
[01:25:49.000 -> 01:25:53.800] their best days of outpacing the Mercs on a Sunday
[01:25:53.800 -> 01:25:57.180] are behind them, and they are still only one point
[01:25:57.180 -> 01:26:00.340] in front of them in the constructor standings.
[01:26:00.340 -> 01:26:04.020] And I think if you have a car like they have,
[01:26:04.020 -> 01:26:07.120] and if you've had an advantage in these first
[01:26:07.120 -> 01:26:14.560] races of the season, you should have capitalized a lot more on that than they have.
[01:26:14.560 -> 01:26:18.440] And I'm not going to mention the driver who's mostly…
[01:26:18.440 -> 01:26:24.920] Wait, are you suggesting Aston are fighting with one driver tied behind their back?
[01:26:24.920 -> 01:26:28.780] I'm not saying that, but I'm not not saying that.
[01:26:28.780 -> 01:26:31.020] Jules, you're on socials as well?
[01:26:31.020 -> 01:26:33.160] Yeah, yeah.
[01:26:33.160 -> 01:26:34.160] Can't stay behind.
[01:26:34.160 -> 01:26:38.100] Yeah, my Twitter handle is, it's very easy.
[01:26:38.100 -> 01:26:41.720] No numbers, no 55s or 44s.
[01:26:41.720 -> 01:26:45.000] It's just Jules Saegers in one go. Links are in the show notes. Yes, they are. Exactly two Segers in one go.
[01:26:45.400 -> 01:26:47.180] Links are in the show notes.
[01:26:47.180 -> 01:26:48.280] Yes, they are, exactly.
[01:26:48.280 -> 01:26:49.300] Links are in the show notes.
[01:26:49.300 -> 01:26:50.940] You can check them out as well.
[01:26:50.940 -> 01:26:53.460] My bad thing of the weekend, it's gotta be Sergio Perez.
[01:26:53.460 -> 01:26:56.700] Sorry, I love you, Sergio, but this is a street circuit.
[01:26:56.700 -> 01:26:57.540] This is your thing.
[01:26:57.540 -> 01:26:59.720] This is what you should be mastering.
[01:26:59.720 -> 01:27:00.660] That's all from us.
[01:27:00.660 -> 01:27:03.220] I hope you enjoyed the Monaco Grand Prix race review.
[01:27:03.220 -> 01:27:07.320] We'll be back as always for Spain next weekend and for our midweek shows too.
[01:27:07.320 -> 01:27:30.000] But for now though, from myself, from the whole gang, take care, we'll see you later. ♪♪
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