Missed Apex Listener Forum Episode 1

Missed Apex has gathered a panel of listeners representing 7 different fan bases to discuss their passion for their team

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**Podcast Episode Summary: Listener Forum on Formula One Fandom**

**Host:** Richard Ready (Spanners)

**Guests:**

* Tero (Finland) - Ferrari fan
* Julie (UK) - McLaren fan
* Mike (UK) - Alfa Romeo fan
* Rolando (USA) - Haas fan
* Scott (Canada) - Aston Martin fan
* Pete (USA) - Red Bull fan

**Segment 1: Team Defenses and Attacks**

* **Tero (Ferrari):** Defends Ferrari's legacy and underdog status, despite their immense resources and success.
* **Spanners:** Attacks Ferrari for being the most overrated team in Formula One, with the least to show for their funding and resources.
* **Julie (McLaren):** Defends McLaren's potential for a resurgence, citing Oscar Piastri as a promising talent.
* **Spanners:** Attacks McLaren for their recent struggles and overreliance on past successes.
* **Mike (Alfa Romeo):** Defends Alfa Romeo's rich history and Fangio's greatness, arguing that modern drivers could succeed in older cars.
* **Spanners:** Attacks Alfa Romeo for being a paper-thin sponsorship of Sauber and questions their long-term viability.
* **Rolando (Haas):** Defends Haas for providing unpredictable and exciting races, with the potential for occasional success.
* **Spanners:** Attacks Haas for their lack of progress and failure to join the midfield, despite significant resources.
* **Scott (Aston Martin):** Defends Aston Martin for attracting drivers he likes, such as Lance Stroll, Sergio Perez, and Fernando Alonso.
* **Spanners:** Attacks Aston Martin for being a skeleton team primarily benefiting the owner's son, Lance Stroll.
* **Pete (Red Bull):** Defends Red Bull for their innovative strategies, such as Sergio Perez's penalty service, and denies accusations of cheating.
* **Spanners:** Attacks Red Bull for their perceived ruthlessness, favoritism from the stewards, and excessive spending.

**Segment 2: Interactive Discussion and Debate**

* **Spanners:** Opens up the floor for the listeners to engage in a debate on various Formula One topics.
* **Listeners:** Engage in lively discussions, sharing their perspectives and opinions on drivers, teams, and controversies.
* **Spanners:** Facilitates the debate, ensuring a balanced and respectful exchange of ideas.

**Segment 3: Elimination Round Quiz**

* **Spanners:** Conducts a quiz to test the listeners' knowledge of Formula One history and trivia.
* **Listeners:** Compete against each other, answering questions and earning points.
* **Spanners:** Eliminates listeners one by one until a winner emerges.

**Segment 4: Closest to the Pin Game**

* **Spanners:** Introduces a game where listeners guess the closest time to a randomly selected Formula One lap record.
* **Listeners:** Submit their guesses, and the one closest to the actual lap record wins.
* **Spanners:** Declares the winner and wraps up the game.

**Overall Message:**

The podcast episode serves as a platform for Formula One fans to engage in discussions, debates, and quizzes, celebrating their passion for the sport and sharing their unique perspectives. # Formula One Podcast Transcript Summary

## Introduction

- The podcast features a panel of Formula One fans representing different teams.
- The host, Spanners, engages in lively discussions with the panelists about their passion for their respective teams.

## Team-Specific Discussions

**Williams:**

- Stuart, a Williams fan, emphasizes the team's rich history and legacy, including iconic drivers like Keke Rosberg and Damon Hill.
- He acknowledges the team's current struggles but remains hopeful for a resurgence.
- Stuart highlights the team's British heritage and its importance in Formula One.

**Haas:**

- Rolando, a Haas fan, sets realistic expectations for the team's success in the upcoming season.
- He believes that finishing in the points consistently, even if it's just one or two points, would be a significant achievement.
- The panelists discuss the challenges Haas faces in improving its performance and moving up the grid.

**Alfa Romeo:**

- Mike, an Alfa Romeo fan, expresses unwavering optimism about the team's potential.
- He cites the team's recent performance improvement as evidence of their upward trajectory.
- Other panelists challenge Mike's overly optimistic view, pointing out the team's limitations and the intense competition in Formula One.

**Ferrari:**

- Tero, a Ferrari fan, believes that the team is capable of challenging for the World Championship in the upcoming season.
- He emphasizes the team's strong engineering capabilities and its rich history of success.
- The panelists debate Ferrari's recent strategic blunders and question whether the team has addressed its organizational issues.

## Success Criteria

- The panelists discuss what constitutes success for their respective teams in the upcoming season.
- For some teams, like McLaren, success is measured by podium finishes and challenging for the championship.
- For others, like Haas, success is defined by incremental improvements and consistently scoring points.

## Elimination Quiz

- The host conducts an elimination quiz where each panelist is asked a question related to their team's history.
- Correct answers allow the panelist to advance to the next round, while incorrect answers result in elimination.
- The quiz covers various aspects of team history, including race wins, team principals, and driver lineups.

## Conclusion

- The podcast concludes with the host summarizing the key points and highlighting the passion and enthusiasm of the panelists.
- The panelists express their appreciation for the opportunity to share their perspectives and engage in lively discussions about Formula One. Sure, here is a summary of the podcast episode transcript:

**Introduction**

* The podcast episode features a panel of Formula One fans representing different teams.
* The host, Matt, engages the panelists in a trivia game to test their knowledge about their respective teams.

**Trivia Game**

* The panelists are asked questions related to their teams' history, drivers, and achievements.
* Some of the questions include:
* Who was the last driver to win a race for Williams before Maldonado's victory in 2012?
* How many World Constructors' Championships has Red Bull won?
* What is Alfa Romeo's highest championship position since rejoining F1?
* The panelists provide their answers, and the host reveals the correct answers.
* Some panelists are eliminated from the game due to incorrect answers.

**Final Round**

* The remaining panelists participate in a final round, where they have to guess the number of laps Max Verstappen led in the 2021 season.
* The closest guess wins the game.
* Tero, the Ferrari fan, wins the game by correctly guessing 547 laps.

**Conclusion**

* The host congratulates Tero for winning the game and thanks all the panelists for participating.
* The episode ends with a discussion about the upcoming news show that Matt will be hosting on Sunday.

**Overall Message**

The overall message of the podcast episode is that Formula One is a sport that generates passionate fandom and that fans are knowledgeable about their teams' history and achievements. The episode also highlights the excitement and camaraderie among fans of different teams.

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[01:25.260 -> 01:28.880] You are listening to Miss Myst Apex Podcast.
[01:28.880 -> 01:31.520] We live F1.
[01:31.520 -> 01:36.520] ♪♪♪
[01:42.520 -> 01:44.960] Welcome to Myst Apex Podcast.
[01:44.960 -> 01:48.480] It's the first listener forum. I'm your host Richard Ready,
[01:48.480 -> 01:54.400] but my friends call me Spanners. So let's be friends. Welcome to our first ever forum
[01:54.400 -> 01:59.960] of listeners from a range of fan bases. These seven brave listeners are each representing
[01:59.960 -> 02:06.240] a different fan base, and I am going to attack their team and put their fandom on trial and then I will
[02:06.240 -> 02:11.600] explore what makes each of them a fan of that team. Then I'm going to pit them against each other on a
[02:11.600 -> 02:17.200] range of topics and then finally I'm going to test their knowledge with a brutal elimination round
[02:17.200 -> 02:27.200] quiz and the survivors will then play a game of closest to. Now it's more than a call-in but it's less than making them all learn podcasting
[02:27.200 -> 02:33.840] so I have set some interaction interactive rules to minimize the chaos and to keep the flow going
[02:33.840 -> 02:40.160] and unlike the main show I will be doing a full edit to save them if required unlike the panel
[02:40.160 -> 02:48.000] who I don't edit no matter how bad their pub analogies are or how inappropriate and Danish they are.
[02:48.000 -> 02:56.000] So we have representatives from McLaren, Aston Martin, Haas, Ferrari, Williams, Red Bull and Sauber's fan bases.
[02:56.000 -> 03:01.000] I'm really sorry, I couldn't find a single Alpine fan.
[03:01.000 -> 03:05.920] The Mercedes fan that was meant to turn up crashed into himself and couldn't
[03:05.920 -> 03:11.800] make it, and I consider Alfa Tauri to be Red Bull B, more or less.
[03:11.800 -> 03:16.480] OK, so I will remind you we're an independent podcast produced in the podcasting shed with
[03:16.480 -> 03:20.400] the kind permission of our better halves. We aim to bring you a race review before your
[03:20.400 -> 03:24.440] Monday morning commute. We might be wrong, but we're first. But if we're wrong this
[03:24.440 -> 03:28.120] time, it's the listener's fault.
[03:28.120 -> 03:36.240] Yeah, remember they're also representing everybody listening. So I've been really excited about
[03:36.240 -> 03:40.560] doing this. I love having the patron call-ins when we do it, and we're definitely going
[03:40.560 -> 03:46.120] to expand that. But to be clear, if it's rubbish, it's not my fault.
[03:46.120 -> 03:51.280] When people forget to unmute, when they um and er everywhere, and when they say factually
[03:51.280 -> 03:56.520] incorrect things, that's their fault. I would never do that. I thoroughly research. I don't
[03:56.520 -> 04:02.280] just say whatever's on my mind and then wait for a kindly old American to correct me.
[04:02.280 -> 04:07.080] Alright, let's head straight into battle. We have with us,
[04:07.080 -> 04:13.680] joining us, let's see, who's our first victim? I mean, our first volunteer. Okay, we have in the
[04:13.680 -> 04:16.880] shed a Finn from Finland. We have Tero joining us. Hello, Tero.
[04:16.880 -> 04:26.800] Hello, hello. And joining you from Jyväskylä, Finland, you refused to try to pronounce the name of the location.
[04:26.800 -> 04:27.760] No, I didn't. I got it.
[04:27.760 -> 04:28.640] A little bit offended.
[04:29.280 -> 04:34.320] Actually, I got it exactly right. So it was Pseudovaskyla, Finland. We're fine.
[04:34.320 -> 04:48.720] Yes. Roughly around the edges, the home of the best ever ski jumper in the history of sports, go Google, and then also the home of the Finnish
[04:48.720 -> 04:55.440] Rally Championship, well, World Rally Championship, the Rally Finland.
[04:55.440 -> 05:00.420] Okay, so you like a bit of rally, you like cars skidding wildly out of control, so it's
[05:00.420 -> 05:11.680] fitting then that you are representing Ferrari? Yeah and that's to be blamed. I'm blaming Mika Salo for that. You have to always go for the
[05:11.680 -> 05:27.520] underdog. I have been rooting for Salo and that's then the 1999, that's when the Ferrari connection happened and I ended up with my like paper thin
[05:28.640 -> 05:34.800] fandom of Ferrari. If you're gonna support the underdog nothing screams underdog like
[05:34.800 -> 05:41.760] the most successful F1 team in history with unprecedented funding and prize money from the FIA.
[05:41.760 -> 05:47.840] I put it to you that Ferrari is the most overrated team in
[05:47.840 -> 05:53.960] Formula One, has done the least with the resources available to it and is leaning on the history
[05:53.960 -> 06:00.000] of titles back when they were racing around hay bales. What say you, Tero?
[06:00.000 -> 06:02.920] You wouldn't be completely wrong with those.
[06:02.920 -> 06:13.480] That's not a good defense. Then you're forgetting that if we would drop actually Ferrari from the early history of
[06:13.480 -> 06:20.240] the sports, would it be actually that we would have the sport as it is now?
[06:20.240 -> 06:21.240] Probably not.
[06:21.240 -> 06:30.640] So that's my take on this one. Okay. Okay. And okay. Thank you for bravely stepping forward and supporting Ferrari. We
[06:30.640 -> 06:34.840] appreciate that. I think we're going to come a bit closer to home now and we are joined
[06:34.840 -> 06:40.560] representing McLaren. We've got Julie joining us. Hello, Julie. Sorry to surprise you there.
[06:40.560 -> 06:41.560] Joining us from the UK.
[06:41.560 -> 06:45.000] Hey there. Yeah, yeah. I'm from Cheshire.
[06:45.000 -> 06:48.000] That's where I live at the moment, quite near Alton Park,
[06:48.000 -> 06:51.000] which is a racing circuit in the UK.
[06:51.000 -> 06:55.000] Originally from the back and beyond in West Cumbria,
[06:55.000 -> 06:58.000] quite near where the rally,
[06:58.000 -> 07:02.000] Malcolm Wilson rally cars are built and made and engineered.
[07:02.000 -> 07:09.440] So a bit of a motorsport heritage. So can I just translate that to anyone not listening? She is from the north,
[07:09.440 -> 07:14.720] she's from beyond the wall. And you are representing McLaren for us today.
[07:14.720 -> 07:18.400] Why are you attracted to the Papaya rocket ships?
[07:19.600 -> 07:23.680] Obviously it's the colour because I'm a girl, so we orientate everything around colours,
[07:23.680 -> 07:25.040] don't we? But no, not at
[07:25.040 -> 07:31.440] all. They've been going for a lot longer than I have and I'm so impressed that given they have
[07:31.440 -> 07:38.160] had a three, what, two podiums in the last 13 years or 12 years, something like that, they still have
[07:38.160 -> 07:45.040] won 20% of all the races that they've entered. They're a bit of a sleeping giant and I think they're about to reawaken.
[07:45.040 -> 07:51.480] I mean, they've had a really long slumber. That's a slumbering, probably under anaesthetic
[07:51.480 -> 07:57.740] giant. So once Lewis Hamilton stopped carrying the team and they started going backwards,
[07:57.740 -> 08:02.520] it was actually was around 2013, wasn't it, where they suddenly started stopping, getting
[08:02.520 -> 08:05.600] into Q3 and you suddenly go, is this a bit of a... this is a blip.
[08:05.600 -> 08:09.760] Yeah, of course it's a blip. It's a blip. And then they don't do well in the Mercedes
[08:09.760 -> 08:14.400] engineering, the hybrids, they get the Honda and it's a disaster. And even at the start of
[08:14.400 -> 08:20.160] this season, you think, oh my goodness, they've blown it again. Yep, absolutely. Although they've
[08:20.160 -> 08:25.200] made a phenomenal comeback so far this year. Okay now here's my attack. And I blame
[08:25.200 -> 08:35.520] Perez and Magnussen for the failures in the teens of this year. Oh no, okay, right, okay. Well that's
[08:35.520 -> 08:40.560] set us off on a very bad foot. I think Perez fans have suffered enough and I don't think we needed
[08:40.560 -> 08:50.320] that, that stray kicking. But as I'm doing with everybody, all right, I'm going to attack your team now. Okay, I'm going to attack your team. The McLaren fan base is all getting their hopes up
[08:50.320 -> 08:57.520] for 2024. You're all deluded. It's just because you brought your B-spec in and you're now basically
[08:57.520 -> 09:03.440] fighting bums because everybody else is concentrating on updates for next season and you're
[09:03.440 -> 09:05.720] celebrating thinking you're the second best car?
[09:05.720 -> 09:08.320] Oh, you might have a point there.
[09:08.320 -> 09:15.920] Oh no, guys, you've got to argue back. That's the game. What gives you most hope for 2024?
[09:15.920 -> 09:24.960] Oscar Piastri, to be fair. Bit of a phenomenon so far, last couple of races. I think that
[09:24.960 -> 09:26.640] he might be the ace up our sleeve.
[09:26.640 -> 09:33.600] Okay, and good. And let's hope that's definitely not a Rosberg, Hamilton-style disaster that's
[09:33.600 -> 09:38.080] cooking for you next season. Okay, thank you for coming in representing McLaren. Up next
[09:38.080 -> 09:43.520] we have Mike, who is a magician from Wokingham. Hello, Mike.
[09:43.520 -> 09:45.880] Hello, Spanners. Can you hear me? I can hear you
[09:45.880 -> 09:49.360] very well, you can even move your microphone away because you've got such a
[09:49.360 -> 09:54.440] strong voice. Powerful voice. Yeah, for talking to audiences. So you're a real magician,
[09:54.440 -> 09:58.560] you're a real-life magician. Yeah, but who cares about that, let's go on to Alfa Romeo.
[09:58.560 -> 10:03.400] No, I've got more. No, the rest of the questions will be magician based. So I'm
[10:03.400 -> 10:08.000] gonna ask you three things and you tell me whether they're real magic or just some sort of weird trick.
[10:08.000 -> 10:17.000] Okay. So, sawing a lady in half, real magic where you dismember a person and then put them back together or some kind of illusion?
[10:17.000 -> 10:18.000] Illusion.
[10:18.000 -> 10:25.520] That one's an illusion. Okay. Where you make a rabbit magically appear from a hat, is that real magic or was the rabbit there all along?
[10:26.640 -> 10:27.360] I can't say.
[10:27.360 -> 10:28.960] The magic circle would throw me out if I gave it away.
[10:28.960 -> 10:31.600] But it's some kind of trick, it's not like supernatural.
[10:32.160 -> 10:32.640] Okay.
[10:32.640 -> 10:32.960] No.
[10:32.960 -> 10:34.320] And last one, last one.
[10:34.320 -> 10:38.320] Team principals making out that pay drivers are genuinely there for skill
[10:38.320 -> 10:42.720] and it's just a coincidence that there's money. Is that real magic or an illusion?
[10:44.560 -> 10:46.320] That's just fact. It's just fact.
[10:46.320 -> 10:49.600] They can be no argument about it. You'll hate paid drivers.
[10:49.600 -> 10:54.240] They just happen to be rich. They just happen to be rich. Okay, so, Alfa Romeo,
[10:54.240 -> 10:59.040] and you are staunchly determined that you're not referring to Sauber.
[10:59.040 -> 11:03.840] Oh, I don't even know who Sauber are. No, Alfa Romeo, fantastic team, great history,
[11:03.840 -> 11:06.720] all the way back to 1950. I'm
[11:06.720 -> 11:12.880] sure you know as a Formula One expert that the very first official Formula One World Championship
[11:12.880 -> 11:19.600] race was held at Silverstone in 1950. It was won by Alfa Romeo. They also came second and third
[11:19.600 -> 11:23.920] and won the championship that year. They also won the championship in 1951.
[11:23.840 -> 11:24.400] the championship that year. Yeah, you don't have to tell me. He won the championship in 1951.
[11:31.280 -> 11:37.520] Yeah. And Fangio, Fangio was driving for them, the goat Fangio, he's driven for Alfa Romeo. I have this argument all the time, Mike. Do you really think Fangio was the goat? We plonk
[11:37.520 -> 11:44.240] Fangio, if we could get him into a modern Alfa Romeo, would he be up there? Yes. I don't agree.
[11:42.040 -> 11:42.560] for Romeo, would he be up there?
[11:42.840 -> 11:43.800] Yes.
[11:44.400 -> 11:45.200] I don't agree.
[11:49.720 -> 11:51.920] Well, if you put one of the modern drivers in Fangio's car, they'd all go, Oh, there's no halo, I might get hurt.
[11:51.920 -> 11:54.800] You know, they wouldn't dare drive it, but he got in one of theirs.
[11:54.800 -> 11:56.640] He would just, he'd be brilliant.
[11:56.720 -> 11:57.880] Anyway, it's not all about Fangio.
[11:57.920 -> 12:03.680] He's just, don't forget Luigi Fagioli, another very famous.
[12:03.680 -> 12:04.800] I was talking about him today.
[12:04.800 -> 12:05.200] Yeah. Luigi Fagioli, another very famous Alfa Romeo driver.
[12:05.200 -> 12:06.800] I was talking about him today.
[12:06.800 -> 12:17.480] He drove for Alfa Romeo in 1951 and he is the oldest Formula 1 driver of all time.
[12:17.480 -> 12:21.280] He won a Grand Prix at the age of 53.
[12:21.280 -> 12:24.840] Which I think completely backs up your point that the drivers from that era could just
[12:24.840 -> 12:27.000] waltz in and win in the modern f1
[12:27.000 -> 12:32.900] Yeah, you're right. Yeah, it's 53 year olds queuing up to enter Formula One, but it's not all the 1950s
[12:32.900 -> 12:34.960] I mean look at the Qatar Grand Prix a few days ago
[12:36.040 -> 12:41.920] Only three teams managed to get two drives in the points and that was Red Bull who obviously cheated. Yeah, and
[12:42.520 -> 12:44.040] McLaren and
[12:44.040 -> 12:46.560] You know, you know what McLaren's like. I mean,
[12:46.560 -> 12:49.640] Julie just slagged them off basically and said she doesn't really like them anymore.
[12:49.640 -> 12:53.000] It was a weak defense. She was just like, yeah, you're right. Nothing.
[12:53.000 -> 12:59.720] Yeah. But Alfa Romeo, they were eighth and ninth, double point scoring. I mean, everyone
[12:59.720 -> 13:05.680] goes about how great Liam Lawson is, but bloody hell, I hell I mean Alpha Romeo are thrashing. All right all right
[13:05.680 -> 13:10.800] all right here we go then here we go here's my here's my attack here's my attack okay they are
[13:10.800 -> 13:20.640] they are not even a real team it's a paper thin sponsorship of the Salber outfit and they're doomed
[13:20.640 -> 13:26.080] Mike they're gone they're no longer 4F1. They're out the door. You are defending a
[13:26.080 -> 13:27.080] shadow.
[13:27.080 -> 13:31.120] Well, you could say that, but you've missed one very important point.
[13:31.120 -> 13:32.560] Oh yeah, what's that?
[13:32.560 -> 13:34.560] Do you remember Silverstone last year?
[13:34.560 -> 13:35.560] Of course.
[13:35.560 -> 13:41.920] Joe Guanyu, at the start, amazing crash, upside down across the gravel, car flew in the air,
[13:41.920 -> 13:46.400] came down between the tyre barrier and the catch fencing.
[13:46.400 -> 13:50.240] And I know we don't like to talk about it, but everyone loves a crash, don't they? A
[13:50.240 -> 13:54.640] crash where the driver's not hurt, but it's spectacular. And there have been very few
[13:54.640 -> 13:59.680] good crashes recently. Alfa Romeo provided the one good crash we've had in the last two
[13:59.680 -> 14:04.400] or three years. And I think they should be rewarded for that. I think that was fantastic.
[14:04.400 -> 14:05.600] No one's condoning that.
[14:05.600 -> 14:06.600] But it is true.
[14:06.600 -> 14:08.160] Anybody remember that fireball anymore?
[14:08.160 -> 14:09.240] Yeah, well look, this is it.
[14:09.240 -> 14:13.120] I mean, as much as I, yeah, Tero, what were you saying there?
[14:13.120 -> 14:16.360] Yeah, anybody remember that fireball anymore?
[14:16.360 -> 14:17.360] The Grosjean?
[14:17.360 -> 14:19.840] That wasn't provided by Alfa Romeo, so.
[14:19.840 -> 14:21.360] Oh yeah, that's a good point.
[14:21.360 -> 14:23.120] Yeah, that was a much better crash.
[14:23.120 -> 14:28.640] And as much as I try to explain the safety side and, you know, all this kind of stuff to my boy, whenever there's a crash,
[14:28.640 -> 14:33.600] he does kind of perk his attention up. And even my wife runs in to watch a crash. So there are
[14:33.600 -> 14:37.920] people out there who want to watch a crash. But thankfully, the crashes are much safer now.
[14:37.920 -> 14:44.720] But did you know that Alfa Romeo made the most successful Formula One car of all time?
[14:44.720 -> 14:46.880] That's not true. It is true.
[14:46.880 -> 14:54.720] And the Brabham, I wrote it down somewhere, Brabham B46B, the fan car. Yeah, it only did one Grand
[14:54.720 -> 14:59.920] Prix and it won that Grand Prix. And it never raced again because it won so easily and it was
[14:59.920 -> 15:05.520] banned and removed from racing. And that car, the engine in it was an Alfa Romeo. It had a 100%
[15:06.240 -> 15:12.640] success record. It did one Grand Prix, it won that Grand Prix. No other car ever made before or after
[15:12.640 -> 15:18.720] will ever beat that record. So Alfa Romeo helped make the most successful Formula 1 car of all time.
[15:19.680 -> 15:27.200] I think Mike has done research on his team and that is not in the spirit of this listener forum. So
[15:27.200 -> 15:31.520] minus two points. I don't know what the point system is yet, but we'll get there. We'll get
[15:31.520 -> 15:41.600] there. Okay, let's go across to America land. We have got Rolando who is shilling four ha's for us
[15:41.600 -> 15:47.280] today. Be honest, is it just because you're in America and you feel like I'd best
[15:47.280 -> 15:48.280] defend the Americans?
[15:48.280 -> 15:53.880] I mean, yeah, America number one. I mean, I got the listeners can't hear it, but I got
[15:53.880 -> 15:57.200] my Air Force One hat for this event.
[15:57.200 -> 15:58.200] Right.
[15:58.200 -> 16:03.040] Once I get to Haas. And I mean, how could you not root for Haas? You just never know
[16:03.040 -> 16:06.640] if they're going to finish a race. That's the fun of rooting for Haas.
[16:06.640 -> 16:07.840] You know?
[16:07.840 -> 16:08.760] Yeah.
[16:08.760 -> 16:09.560] Yeah.
[16:09.560 -> 16:11.360] So it's like just a real low standard.
[16:11.360 -> 16:15.400] And if you get anything, it's massively rewarding.
[16:15.400 -> 16:16.160] Yeah, exactly.
[16:16.160 -> 16:18.720] I think you guys talked about it in one of the last two pods,
[16:18.720 -> 16:19.220] right?
[16:19.220 -> 16:22.600] If you're mid and you do well, you're a hero.
[16:22.600 -> 16:24.160] If you don't, then nobody listens.
[16:24.160 -> 16:25.200] But if you're back of
[16:25.200 -> 16:30.880] the grid, nobody cares. So if you do something great, then you're the next champion, right?
[16:30.880 -> 16:33.760] If you crash, then you go, oh yeah, I got my winnings.
[16:33.760 -> 16:38.880] Yeah, and that's why I'm glad that my children aren't particularly talented or intelligent
[16:38.880 -> 16:43.720] because like they get a B and it's woohoo, we are going for cake. We're going for cake
[16:43.720 -> 16:46.080] and tacos. The kid's got a B.
[16:46.080 -> 16:51.440] Hasn't happened for a while though, I'll be honest. Haas though, come on, what is it that,
[16:51.440 -> 16:57.280] can you really get excited on an F1 weekend and go, man, I hope that Haas deliver this week?
[16:58.720 -> 17:03.280] Yes and no, right. So you get the little odd ones where like we had the sprint race where
[17:04.000 -> 17:05.160] Luck worked out
[17:05.160 -> 17:09.040] for Mag and he won that pole I think and he started from pole.
[17:09.040 -> 17:11.120] I don't remember where he finished but it wasn't too bad.
[17:11.120 -> 17:14.200] It wasn't pole, Rolando, it wasn't.
[17:14.200 -> 17:15.200] It wasn't?
[17:15.200 -> 17:17.680] He didn't finish in pole position.
[17:17.680 -> 17:19.280] He started but he didn't like...
[17:19.280 -> 17:20.280] Started, yeah, sorry.
[17:20.280 -> 17:21.280] Yeah.
[17:21.280 -> 17:22.280] Started in pole.
[17:22.280 -> 17:29.740] I was disappointed actually because Magnussen said, I'm gonna kick my elbows out I'm gonna put spikes on my wheels and I'm gonna hit people with a baseball bat
[17:29.740 -> 17:34.220] But in the end he was quite sensible when he decided not to lose as little time as possible
[17:35.320 -> 17:37.320] That's fair. Yeah, I was disappointed
[17:37.680 -> 17:41.700] Yeah, well, I forgot the original question as far as
[17:42.220 -> 17:45.920] Am I defending? No, no. So now I'm gonna attack, I'm gonna attack you.
[17:45.920 -> 17:46.840] Okay, here we go, here we go.
[17:46.840 -> 17:49.480] And please, like, don't go, no, it's a good point,
[17:49.480 -> 17:51.880] they suck, because that's not how this works.
[17:51.880 -> 17:55.620] Okay, here we go, Haas had help from Ferrari.
[17:55.620 -> 17:57.840] They had pretty much Ferrari people go in there,
[17:57.840 -> 18:00.400] rip the Ferrari badge off, put the Haas badge on,
[18:00.400 -> 18:01.680] and then go away again.
[18:01.680 -> 18:04.320] They had resources, they came in with a fanfare,
[18:04.320 -> 18:05.160] they're representing
[18:05.160 -> 18:10.760] the American fan base. It's hard to say that anything since, what, 2016? It's hard to say
[18:10.760 -> 18:17.680] it has been anything other than a disappointment. They have completely failed to join the midfield.
[18:17.680 -> 18:26.360] I would argue that that's just a keen American economics. Right. Why develop, you know, something that's already been made?
[18:26.360 -> 18:30.200] You could just hire out the talent that exists in Europe.
[18:30.200 -> 18:33.360] And you know, you got for, I think they design out of
[18:33.360 -> 18:35.240] some group out of Italy, right?
[18:35.240 -> 18:37.680] Not just Ferrari for the engine, but for the chassis.
[18:37.680 -> 18:39.000] So you can-
[18:39.000 -> 18:39.840] Oh, sorry, sorry.
[18:39.840 -> 18:40.680] What did you say?
[18:40.680 -> 18:41.500] The what?
[18:41.500 -> 18:42.340] The chassis?
[18:42.340 -> 18:43.180] Yeah.
[18:43.180 -> 18:44.920] Okay. Is that how Americans say it?
[18:45.000 -> 18:48.000] Yeah. Chassis, chassis in Yeah. Okay, is that how Americans say it? Yeah, chassis, chassis in Spanish.
[18:48.000 -> 18:49.000] Okay.
[18:49.000 -> 18:50.000] I don't know how you guys say it.
[18:50.000 -> 18:51.000] Chassis.
[18:51.000 -> 18:52.000] Chassis, okay, yeah.
[18:52.000 -> 18:53.000] Oh, that's fine.
[18:53.000 -> 18:54.000] Fair enough.
[18:54.000 -> 18:55.000] That's how we say it in Oklahoma.
[18:55.000 -> 19:01.000] Has came in with what I've always wanted in F1 teams really, is start with a customer team.
[19:01.000 -> 19:05.560] So I'd love teams to be able to come in and buy nearly a complete
[19:05.560 -> 19:09.760] car from two years ago, go racing, get used to the paddock and then develop.
[19:09.760 -> 19:16.080] Right, right. Well, I don't know exactly what the background for or the desire to start
[19:16.080 -> 19:21.000] this team for Gunther was, but if you have nothing to start with and all you have is
[19:21.000 -> 19:26.760] the skeleton that you want at an auction for the previous team. I mean, what better way to start?
[19:26.760 -> 19:30.560] You want to bring in some ideally new talent, which we saw what, two years
[19:30.560 -> 19:36.240] ago, which didn't quite work out, but I don't know if it's a good thing, but
[19:36.240 -> 19:40.420] it's a good place for some of the more favorite drivers that have nowhere else
[19:40.420 -> 19:41.400] to go to go.
[19:42.320 -> 19:43.740] So yeah, career graveyard.
[19:43.760 -> 19:44.040] Okay.
[19:44.040 -> 19:45.600] That's not a good defense either.
[19:45.600 -> 19:46.880] Okay, this is great fun.
[19:46.880 -> 19:52.000] I get to be all mean and I can pretend that I'm just doing it for the show.
[19:52.000 -> 19:54.800] So in that case, let's go to Aston Martin next.
[19:54.800 -> 20:00.400] So defending Aston Martin from Canada, we've got Scott joining us.
[20:00.400 -> 20:01.400] Hello, Scott.
[20:01.400 -> 20:02.400] Whereabouts in Canada?
[20:02.400 -> 20:03.400] Hi, Spanners.
[20:03.400 -> 20:05.040] I'm in Southern Ontario, where
[20:05.040 -> 20:14.240] about a third of all Canadians live. Right. And about a 500 kilometer length, probably
[20:14.240 -> 20:17.920] smaller than Great Britain and about all third Canadians live there, even though Canada is
[20:17.920 -> 20:21.700] the size of the second biggest country in the world. You will huddle for warmth in one
[20:21.700 -> 20:25.520] little corner. So Scott, you in our Patreon forum,
[20:25.520 -> 20:31.280] you're the Lance Stroll fan, as well as being an Aston Martin fan. And in, you know,
[20:31.280 -> 20:35.200] probably hundreds of interactions, because we have loads of interactions in our Patreon forum,
[20:35.200 -> 20:40.000] you've agreed with me one time, and I think it might have been about what day it was. But apart
[20:40.000 -> 20:48.680] from that, I like arguing with you because I find myself on the opposite side of every view you have, especially Lance Stroll.
[20:48.680 -> 20:53.020] So what I'll say is that in the patron forum, when I speak up, it's usually because I disagree
[20:53.020 -> 20:54.020] with things.
[20:54.020 -> 20:55.640] So I just imply it when I agree with everything.
[20:55.640 -> 20:59.160] If you agree, you don't need to say anything.
[20:59.160 -> 21:01.200] If you agree, you don't need to pipe up with, I agree.
[21:01.200 -> 21:02.200] I'm like that as well.
[21:02.200 -> 21:08.580] I just wait till I'm outraged and then I start tweeting. Okay, why do you like Aston Martin?
[21:08.580 -> 21:12.720] I've always liked their driver Spanners and this is even before Landstroll. It's that
[21:12.720 -> 21:20.320] I got a big Sergio Perez guy I was for a while. I have a big fan now. Sebastian Vettel, big
[21:20.320 -> 21:24.540] Sebastian Vettel guy. I like Fernando maybe he's not as much as other people.
[21:24.540 -> 21:29.600] I like Fernando and I dislike him. So I'm definitely an Alonso fan, but like if something
[21:29.600 -> 21:35.360] goes wrong for him I find myself going, ah, I don't know why. I like him and I understand that
[21:35.360 -> 21:41.760] liking him is wrong. Yes, that's sort of the same boat. But basically Aston Martin for me has just
[21:41.760 -> 21:47.380] been on a remarkable string of picking up drivers that I like, so I'm going to continue to support them until they stop doing that.
[21:47.380 -> 21:48.380] Okay, okay.
[21:48.380 -> 21:53.740] So of course, the charge is that Aston Martin are there as a skeleton, a sham of a team,
[21:53.740 -> 21:57.520] they're purely for the benefit of the owner's son.
[21:57.520 -> 22:02.700] And I would guess and people would argue that if Lance Stroll walks away, Lawrence Stroll
[22:02.700 -> 22:05.000] will pay lip service to it, but also
[22:05.000 -> 22:06.000] walk away.
[22:06.000 -> 22:09.440] And that's no real way for a F1 team to go about their business.
[22:09.440 -> 22:13.840] So that would be an understandable opinion maybe when Lance Stroll bought the team back
[22:13.840 -> 22:15.640] in 2018.
[22:15.640 -> 22:20.000] But what's happened since then is F1 has started really making money and the teams have started
[22:20.000 -> 22:21.440] really making money.
[22:21.440 -> 22:25.120] So even if Lance Stroll walks away from this, it's still a very good
[22:25.120 -> 22:30.480] business venture for Lawrence Stroll. And he's not going to walk away. He's still upgrading
[22:30.480 -> 22:33.880] the facilities. I think he's with the team for good now until it becomes a bad business
[22:33.880 -> 22:35.920] venture because he's still a businessman at heart.
[22:35.920 -> 22:40.320] What if it's like, oh, it's making money now we can we can ditch Lance. But he did say
[22:40.320 -> 22:44.360] he does they do seem to be setting him targets and he seems to be not hitting them. And that
[22:44.360 -> 22:47.000] might be the cause of genuine frustration now.
[22:47.000 -> 22:53.000] He's been really bad the second half of this year. Even as a Lance Strolls fan, I can't defend how bad he's been the second half of this year.
[22:53.000 -> 22:54.000] It's been quite bad.
[22:54.000 -> 23:00.000] Scott, we're talking to a Paris fan as well. So, we're the same. We're the same brother. We feel it. We feel it.
[23:00.000 -> 23:06.000] That's actually a decent defense of Aston Martin. Not bad at all, Scott. Who have we got left introduced?
[23:06.000 -> 23:10.000] Okay, so two more gladiators, and then as we move into the next phase,
[23:10.000 -> 23:15.000] it will be much more getting everybody to yell at each other and have an argument.
[23:15.000 -> 23:18.000] Okay, we have to go to Pete now, because Pete is holding a cat,
[23:18.000 -> 23:22.000] and a cat on my stream, in the shed, is always welcome.
[23:22.000 -> 23:27.760] Pete, you are joining us from America? Yes, America land, North Carolina.
[23:27.760 -> 23:32.560] North Carolina. And now you have to tell us all about the cat. In fact, the rest of the
[23:32.560 -> 23:34.320] segment is cat related.
[23:35.200 -> 23:48.640] Yeah, so we have a farm and we found, so I had my tractor on the back of my truck so you know like a 30 foot long situation
[23:48.640 -> 23:56.160] and we I saw this tiny little black thing in the middle of the road and uh to rescue was the cat
[23:56.800 -> 24:04.480] and um it was a day old still had the umbilical cord on we bottle fed her and uh it was uh it was
[24:04.480 -> 24:05.000] quite an experience I've bottle fed cows before it was quite an experience.
[24:05.600 -> 24:08.620] I've bottle fed cows before, but never a cat.
[24:08.620 -> 24:10.900] Wait a minute, right, I'm not falling for this, right?
[24:10.900 -> 24:14.300] Because Scott is here to defend the new Death Star,
[24:14.300 -> 24:17.900] which is Red Bull, and as we know,
[24:17.900 -> 24:21.340] everything Red Bull does is awful and they cheat
[24:21.340 -> 24:24.780] and they spend too much money, and who do they send?
[24:24.780 -> 24:27.400] Who do they send as their agent of doom?
[24:27.400 -> 24:32.400] They send Pete with his cat that he rescued from the ground.
[24:32.840 -> 24:33.800] I'm not buying it.
[24:33.800 -> 24:35.040] I'm not buying it for a second, Pete,
[24:35.040 -> 24:37.240] but tell me, why are you a Red Bull fan?
[24:37.240 -> 24:38.840] So a couple of reasons.
[24:38.840 -> 24:41.360] I would say the reason that I became a Red Bull fan,
[24:41.360 -> 24:46.840] the reason I got into Formula One was a friend of mine,
[24:46.840 -> 24:53.680] he's involved with some of Red Bull's other adventure sport type things. And he started
[24:53.680 -> 24:58.040] inviting me to like Red Bull kind of big functions and whatnot. We had some of them come to some
[24:58.040 -> 25:05.520] of our fundraisers. They were all like a blast to hang out with and I started watching Formula One around Seb
[25:06.160 -> 25:12.080] and Seb is just the greatest driver, the second greatest driver after Schumacher.
[25:12.080 -> 25:15.120] Oh this is going downhill fast.
[25:15.120 -> 25:19.360] And so, so you know, I just fell in love with Red Bull.
[25:19.360 -> 25:23.760] Oh my goodness, so I invite you on and we're talking about cats and I'm liking your cat
[25:23.760 -> 25:25.040] and then the next thing you say is
[25:25.120 -> 25:27.640] Vettel's the greatest of all time behind Michael Schumacher
[25:27.800 -> 25:33.400] Does it ever drive you mad how quickly the night can change my goodness my goodness
[25:33.400 -> 25:36.720] All right, so I will put this to you then Pete. They are
[25:37.320 -> 25:40.080] Ruthless, which is actually something I really admire about them
[25:40.080 -> 25:45.440] I see them as I see them definitely see them as the death star now and the current
[25:45.440 -> 25:47.920] death star and as sporting rivals.
[25:47.920 -> 25:54.200] But I think it's fair to say they do come across very, very savage against their opponents,
[25:54.200 -> 25:58.020] sometimes to the point where you go, oh, that's making everything seem a bit mean.
[25:58.020 -> 26:00.840] They definitely cheat out loud.
[26:00.840 -> 26:02.560] They, ooh, they love a good cheat.
[26:02.560 -> 26:03.640] They're going for the cheat.
[26:03.640 -> 26:05.120] They're like Italian forwards
[26:05.120 -> 26:11.520] looking to get fouled in the box. And they have benefited from spending too much money on cake.
[26:11.520 -> 26:15.920] Okay, three things. One, maybe three. I said three because that's what you should always do.
[26:17.200 -> 26:24.000] One, they don't cheat. And I think that the perfect example of this is two races ago where
[26:26.800 -> 26:35.560] that the perfect example of this is two races ago where they, uh, with that Sergio Perez charade, the greatest move. I love that move. How ridiculous that was and how brilliant
[26:35.560 -> 26:40.160] that was, right? They find these little details and then they exploit the detail.
[26:40.160 -> 26:51.440] Explain the incident for us quickly. I'm sorry? Explain quickly what happened. Oh, they, um, so Sergio gained a penalty and was retiring the car.
[26:51.440 -> 26:58.000] And so instead of take the penalty on the grid in the next race, they fixed the car
[26:58.000 -> 27:04.720] and sent him out five laps behind and served the penalty then.
[27:04.720 -> 27:07.360] And that sort of innovative nonsense.
[27:07.360 -> 27:13.000] Innovative. I love. Sorry, I was confused because when you said, oh, the thing that they did that
[27:13.000 -> 27:17.640] was, you know, pushing the boundaries of cheating, I didn't know whether you meant that, the blocking
[27:17.640 -> 27:24.280] three people during qualifying, the rebuilding of a chassis at the last Grand Prix that you're not
[27:24.280 -> 27:25.880] allowed to do, the constant Verstappen maneuvers. You cannot deny there is a chassis at the last Grand Prix that you're not allowed to do, the constant
[27:25.880 -> 27:30.520] Verstappen maneuvers. You cannot deny there is a perception from the outside that they
[27:30.520 -> 27:33.480] kind of have the stewards room in their pocket.
[27:33.480 -> 27:38.480] I mean, I don't think I'm sure that there is that perception. And I think that all of
[27:38.480 -> 27:46.000] those people are very wrong. They're entitled to be wrong, you know, but they are wrong.
[27:46.000 -> 27:50.200] And it's the same thing when Mercedes was dominant.
[27:50.200 -> 27:57.320] You know, Mercedes got so many favorable things that go for them and you notice them because
[27:57.320 -> 27:58.520] they're dominant, right?
[27:58.520 -> 28:02.040] So you don't care if a favorable call is made to Haas.
[28:02.040 -> 28:07.440] I'm sorry, Haas fan. But you don't care about that
[28:07.440 -> 28:09.360] because they're sort of irrelevant.
[28:09.360 -> 28:12.920] But when it's the dominant, when it's the juggernaut,
[28:12.920 -> 28:15.000] then everybody gets really mad about it,
[28:15.000 -> 28:16.040] everybody's paying attention to it.
[28:16.040 -> 28:19.300] So I don't think that they're getting more favorable calls,
[28:19.300 -> 28:21.360] I just think that people are paying attention.
[28:21.360 -> 28:23.120] Rolando, if you wanna yell at him for that,
[28:23.120 -> 28:26.700] that's fine, we're getting more interactive here as we get into the show.
[28:26.700 -> 28:28.740] No one cares if Haas cheat.
[28:28.740 -> 28:31.780] So why don't they cheat more?
[28:31.780 -> 28:33.700] Well, it's because, like I said, like you said,
[28:33.700 -> 28:35.180] they pay attention to Red Bull.
[28:35.180 -> 28:36.100] Maybe they do cheat.
[28:36.100 -> 28:39.260] We don't know, because the BBC won't give us the airtime.
[28:39.260 -> 28:40.420] That's the problem.
[28:40.420 -> 28:41.700] They're suppressing you.
[28:41.700 -> 28:42.860] The man is suppressing you.
[28:42.860 -> 28:48.000] And maybe, or they try their best to cheat, but they're just not as good at it as Red Bull.
[28:48.000 -> 28:56.000] They don't have the extra income to have people sit there and read through every single line of the rules
[28:56.000 -> 28:58.000] so that they can cheat later in the season.
[28:58.000 -> 29:02.000] I have to say though, Gene was pretty good at cheating.
[29:02.000 -> 29:08.000] Oh, okay, no, no, no. It's allegedly there's going to be a lot of beeps.
[29:08.000 -> 29:10.000] There's going to be a lot of beeps. Okay.
[29:10.000 -> 29:15.000] Okay. And the last gladiator we have here is actually for one of my favorite teams.
[29:15.000 -> 29:21.000] And it is Stuart joining us from a cruise liner in parts unknown.
[29:21.000 -> 29:25.680] Oh, no. In the middle of lovely Tunbridge Wells where Jota, the
[29:25.680 -> 29:30.560] endurance team, is based near Brands Hatch which is another location of a
[29:30.560 -> 29:36.120] wonderful victory for Williams. The days of Red 5. Okay, so you're
[29:36.120 -> 29:39.640] representing Williams, probably my favorite team of all time as well.
[29:39.640 -> 29:43.560] Maybe the best for last, right? Okay, so Stuart, I've met you several times now because you've
[29:43.560 -> 29:48.840] come to a lot of our karting events and you're a little bit like our medical car because
[29:48.840 -> 29:54.080] you just follow us around from the back and just make sure everyone's okay. I'm thoughtful
[29:54.080 -> 30:07.280] like that, right? It's the strongest position, just keeping everyone up. I love it, I love it. I love it. And is it true that you control all shipping in the world?
[30:07.280 -> 30:10.800] No. I control everything in the world.
[30:10.800 -> 30:15.440] I was going to say, that's what someone who controlled all F1 shipping would say.
[30:15.440 -> 30:19.040] They would, sorry, all shipping, they would deny it. All the evil ones do.
[30:19.040 -> 30:25.000] So Williams, as if I need you to explain, why do you love the best team that's ever been in F1?
[30:25.000 -> 30:33.000] Well, it's a bit like supporting England or the England football team or just being patriotic.
[30:33.000 -> 30:41.120] It's 30 years apart because it's been a while, but they represent the fundamental values
[30:41.120 -> 30:43.080] of Formula 1.
[30:43.080 -> 30:45.820] They are the garage Easter's, they are the ones that have
[30:45.820 -> 30:52.260] lasted out against that big bad Death Star of Ferrari. They have the history,
[30:52.260 -> 30:58.600] the wins, you know, they had Red 5. They had... The real Red 5! The real Red 5!
[30:58.600 -> 31:07.240] Not Vettel! These people saying Vettel is the best, but no, the real Red 5, go on, sorry.
[31:07.240 -> 31:10.600] They had Hill, you know, beating Schumacher.
[31:10.600 -> 31:11.600] Twice.
[31:11.600 -> 31:19.480] And, and, and lest we forget, 2012 Spanish Grand Prix, Naldonado on the top step.
[31:19.480 -> 31:20.480] How did that feel?
[31:20.480 -> 31:25.000] Any team that can do that, that's to me brilliant. So as a Williams fan.
[31:25.000 -> 31:32.000] Also as a Finn, can't avoid mentioning that they had Keke Rosberg.
[31:32.000 -> 31:33.000] Yes they did.
[31:33.000 -> 31:52.960] Yes, and the magnificent pole lap in Silverstone quali back in the day when they went for the championship. But they had Rosberg who then begot his son, and even though he was given the opportunity
[31:52.960 -> 32:00.240] in Williams to get into Formula One, that's nothing like your father helping you out.
[32:00.240 -> 32:03.480] And yeah, Alan Jones, let's get the whole world in there.
[32:03.480 -> 32:05.920] But they're just, because they're... Look, we have the goat, Lat Jones, let's get the whole world in there. But they're just because they're
[32:05.920 -> 32:08.120] not we have the goat, the teeth, right?
[32:08.520 -> 32:11.200] Oh, it's it's it's Britain.
[32:11.240 -> 32:16.040] It's Formula One being charitable to the rest of the world and still winning.
[32:16.680 -> 32:21.440] So I get so many messages where they go, Oh, Brit, Brit bias, Brit.
[32:21.760 -> 32:26.720] We get so much like crap just for being like in Britain. And then here's you going, I support Williams because they're British. Brit, Brit bias, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit,
[32:26.720 -> 32:30.680] Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit,
[32:30.680 -> 32:33.640] Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit,
[32:33.640 -> 32:36.680] Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit,
[32:36.680 -> 32:39.680] Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit,
[32:39.680 -> 32:42.680] Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit,
[32:42.680 -> 32:50.240] Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, Brit, It's a good sporting default and Williams has certainly given us a lot to be proud of. But deep breath, and this is hurting me as much as it's hurting you.
[32:50.240 -> 32:54.760] Williams are from a different era of Formula One.
[32:54.760 -> 33:01.200] They never adapted their Garagista model and sorted the finances in order to keep up with
[33:01.200 -> 33:05.600] the juggernauts works teams in modern Formula One. James Vowles has gone in there
[33:05.600 -> 33:14.560] and said everything is like it was 20 years ago. It's a massive shame what has happened to Williams.
[33:14.560 -> 33:23.280] The legacy has been allowed to dribble and bleed away on the altar of ultimately surviving
[33:28.720 -> 33:35.280] altar of ultimately surviving and getting money in. Can I remind you that Sir Rocking and Stroll was their driver line-up at one point? And I say, oh God, please know that
[33:35.280 -> 33:40.560] I don't mean this, they lack the resources or mentality to ever return to the top.
[33:40.560 -> 33:49.500] Well, you're wrong, basically. They have principles. they didn't sell out to the Bahraini pension fund or Royal
[33:49.500 -> 33:56.460] Family or whatever. McLaren did. They remained true to themselves, even though part of it's
[33:56.460 -> 34:07.680] American money under Donaldson. They had to take money from other drivers just because we're charitable.
[34:07.680 -> 34:10.160] It's our care in the community operation.
[34:10.160 -> 34:11.340] It's soft power.
[34:11.340 -> 34:13.880] It's what Britain does best, right?
[34:13.880 -> 34:15.520] Used to do.
[34:15.520 -> 34:19.040] And they represent what is best in Formula One.
[34:19.040 -> 34:20.040] Oh dear.
[34:20.040 -> 34:22.960] Emails to Stuart at ships.com.
[34:22.960 -> 34:26.200] Okay, guys, that is that was actually a lot of fun talking to you guys. But what we're going to do now is I'm going to set at ships.com. Okay guys, that was actually a lot of fun
[34:26.200 -> 34:28.440] talking to you guys, but what we're gonna do now is
[34:28.440 -> 34:30.440] I'm gonna set some questions, I'll put them to
[34:30.440 -> 34:34.120] one of our listener expert fans here.
[34:34.120 -> 34:35.880] Look, I called you experts.
[34:35.880 -> 34:36.840] Don't worry, I'm not either.
[34:36.840 -> 34:39.560] So I'll put something to one of you,
[34:39.560 -> 34:42.200] but if anybody has something to come in at,
[34:42.200 -> 34:44.840] to argue with them, to tell them why they're wrong,
[34:44.840 -> 34:45.040] go, yeah, armchair experts. has something to come in at, to argue with them, to tell them why they're wrong, go...
[34:45.040 -> 34:50.680] yeah, armchair experts. Chuck it into the chat here in our video call and
[34:50.680 -> 34:56.280] I'll bring you in to then yell at each other. Okay, let's go!
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[36:57.000 -> 37:01.000] All right, I'm going to ask our team, our fans here,
[37:01.000 -> 37:09.120] what constitutes success in general and for 2024? Like Rolando said,
[37:09.120 -> 37:14.640] like I think you, I think you said it best actually to be fair Rolando, our Haas person,
[37:14.640 -> 37:21.120] you basically said the bar is so low for Haas that anything good happening at all is enough
[37:21.120 -> 37:25.360] to get an endorphin hit. But let's be truly honest here,
[37:25.360 -> 37:26.720] for next season,
[37:26.720 -> 37:30.120] what truly constitutes success for Haas?
[37:31.040 -> 37:32.600] I think if we could finish,
[37:32.600 -> 37:35.400] if Haas could finish in the points every race,
[37:35.400 -> 37:38.040] whether it's one point or realistically,
[37:38.040 -> 37:40.600] let's say, five points.
[37:40.600 -> 37:41.440] Can you get five points?
[37:41.440 -> 37:43.000] I can't remember the points.
[37:43.000 -> 37:49.040] Anywhere between one and 10 really is good, I feel like that'd be a realistic success
[37:49.040 -> 37:55.380] I think they finished eighth in 2022. I think they're gonna finish maybe ninth this season
[37:56.320 -> 38:01.520] So if they if they could get up, let's say improve on that. Let's get up to six place
[38:01.520 -> 38:05.120] I think that would be true success. But will we get there? I don't know.
[38:05.120 -> 38:13.200] That's me dreaming, hoping. Okay, panel. Is he damning Haas with faint praise? Would
[38:13.200 -> 38:19.040] sixth represent success? Who can I hear in the background? That's not a true fan.
[38:20.560 -> 38:29.040] Let me do university challenge style. Mike, defending Alfa Romeo. Yeah, I mean, if you're going to support a team, you've got to support them. I mean,
[38:29.040 -> 38:35.120] I truly believe Alfa Romeo will win the championship next year. I mean, all the evidence is there.
[38:35.760 -> 38:41.280] And, you know, Rolando's a great guy, but saying, you know, has might get sixth or something. That's
[38:41.280 -> 38:45.040] a bit feeble. Alfa Romeo, they're going to win. I mean, there is facts
[38:45.760 -> 38:52.320] to prove this. Japanese Grand Prix, they scored zero points, Alfa Romeo. Qatar Grand Prix, they
[38:52.320 -> 38:59.440] scored six points. That is an infinity percent increase. And if that trend continues, then by
[38:59.440 -> 39:11.040] the end of 2024, they will have scored at least infinity points. See, actually, that will in the end count towards Audi's toll of points in the long run.
[39:11.040 -> 39:13.360] So yeah, Mike, yeah, you're on your own.
[39:13.360 -> 39:14.960] I don't accept Audi.
[39:14.960 -> 39:16.800] No, I thought Audi had given up.
[39:16.800 -> 39:18.000] Oh, they might have done.
[39:18.000 -> 39:19.600] No, it's not going to happen.
[39:19.600 -> 39:25.200] OK, Julie, you think that that Rolando is in a happy dream?
[39:25.200 -> 39:30.160] Yeah, I don't really want to wake him from that. It sounds like blissful. It's like one of those
[39:30.160 -> 39:35.040] things that will never ever happen, like you winning millions of pounds or finding a rainbow
[39:35.040 -> 39:41.040] and a pot of gold. He's very much kind of representing that. He'll still be quite quiet.
[39:41.040 -> 39:46.000] Think of the teams that they'll have to build. So sixth, you've got to beat three teams.
[39:46.200 -> 39:50.800] So you can beat Williams, you can beat Sauber, which it will be next season.
[39:51.000 -> 39:55.800] And what's the other team that you're going to beat then to get up there to sixth place?
[39:55.800 -> 39:56.400] Alpha Tauri.
[39:56.400 -> 39:57.400] Alpha Tauri.
[39:57.800 -> 40:01.700] But Alpha Tauri are going to be ripping off Red Bull's parts next season as well.
[40:01.700 -> 40:04.800] So actually, I think sixth is, yeah, it's ambitious.
[40:04.800 -> 40:10.920] parts next season as well. So actually I think sixth is, yeah, it's ambitious. Hey, I mean, I know that it's a common thing to make fun of us Americans, but we have the
[40:10.920 -> 40:15.600] American dream and the American dream is to always stay hopeful, but realistic, right?
[40:15.600 -> 40:20.800] So it's easy for me to say, oh, we're going to go win number one, like Alfa Romeo, but
[40:20.800 -> 40:25.600] you know, unless Andretti comes in and gives him some money, which he might,
[40:25.600 -> 40:28.940] you never know, you know, maybe he'll lend us some drivers.
[40:28.940 -> 40:31.900] We are just pursuing that same sort of indie style.
[40:31.900 -> 40:34.140] You just never know what we're going to do, right?
[40:34.140 -> 40:36.360] We like to keep it in the show.
[40:36.360 -> 40:37.360] We might win, we might not.
[40:37.360 -> 40:39.360] I like that American attitude.
[40:39.360 -> 40:44.600] There's the whole, you know, there's a bit of a cliche, you know, if there's a road cleaner,
[40:44.600 -> 40:46.960] a street sweeper in America and they
[40:46.960 -> 40:51.120] see a guy pull up in a flashy Mercedes and he gets out and he's in a suit and he's got
[40:51.120 -> 40:56.320] gold and watches and he's got drip, I think the kids call it now, they go, right, in five
[40:56.320 -> 41:01.080] years' time that's going to be me. But in Britain, if there's that same guy and he sees
[41:01.080 -> 41:10.280] the guy pull out of the Mercedes, the Brit will look at him and go, turnip, idiot, hate him. But I love it. I do. I love the American dream. Although that
[41:10.280 -> 41:15.560] particular American dream is one that you probably won't realise. Stuart, you wanted
[41:15.560 -> 41:20.080] to come in and yell at Mike for his Alfa Romeo delusions.
[41:20.080 -> 41:28.000] Well, I think, yeah, Alfa Romeo can't even work out how to open the carton of the milk jug of the Rauschen brothers.
[41:28.000 -> 41:32.000] So how are they expected to win the World Championship?
[41:32.000 -> 41:35.000] They've been taken for, was it 5 million?
[41:35.000 -> 41:42.000] For just to stick their logo on someone else's car which is funded by a milk marketing man.
[41:42.000 -> 41:45.440] That's not really an expectation of winning a world
[41:45.440 -> 41:55.360] championship. So what you're now supporting Red Bull and Pete? Oh no!
[41:55.360 -> 42:01.160] You've broken, you've broken the illusion Mike. Shocking, absolutely shocking. Right
[42:01.160 -> 42:05.760] off you go. He can't even take his way out of the plastic bag so
[42:05.760 -> 42:12.480] let's um let's let's move on in this sham to right ferrari who have sorry taro ferrari
[42:12.480 -> 42:19.040] threatened us with a good time last season briefly before ferrari very very hard and they seem to
[42:19.040 -> 42:25.480] have completely given up on this season be realistic realistic. What constitutes success for Ferrari next season?
[42:25.480 -> 42:31.320] Exactly because they seem to have given up for this season, they're focusing on the next
[42:31.320 -> 42:32.320] one. So...
[42:32.320 -> 42:33.320] You believe this?
[42:33.320 -> 42:49.280] Nothing, nothing short of challenging for the, at least the, not the drivers, but the constructors championship, that nothing less than that
[42:49.280 -> 42:52.400] will count as success for Ferrari.
[42:52.400 -> 42:54.400] Sixth place maybe.
[42:54.400 -> 43:06.640] At this point, it's really like Ferrari, that's a team who really can play the jazz of F1.
[43:07.200 -> 43:12.720] So you have to know the rules inside out.
[43:13.280 -> 43:16.960] Just like a jazz musician, you have to know the rules inside out
[43:16.960 -> 43:24.400] so that you can suddenly break and bend the rules to make your performance the best.
[43:25.000 -> 43:25.200] That's what they are shown to be capable of. the rules to make your performance the best.
[43:29.000 -> 43:29.840] That's what they are shown to be capable of. Jazz, Jazz.
[43:29.840 -> 43:30.680] Allegedly.
[43:30.680 -> 43:32.120] Oh my God, Jazz, this is up there
[43:32.120 -> 43:35.720] with Matt's pub analogy from the race review.
[43:35.720 -> 43:36.800] I was hoping Matt would be around, but he's not.
[43:36.800 -> 43:39.440] No, you are, you guys are all collectively Matt.
[43:39.440 -> 43:41.360] I've replaced Matt with all of you guys.
[43:41.360 -> 43:42.600] Stuart, look at this.
[43:42.600 -> 43:44.440] You've got Tero here trying to say
[43:44.440 -> 43:45.200] that they will
[43:45.200 -> 43:52.000] actually challenge for a world championship. Whenever they get close, something fizzles out.
[43:52.000 -> 43:56.880] I think they've had a car to win more world championships than they have. Stuart?
[43:56.880 -> 44:03.600] So Taro, you're talking about Ferrari knowing all the rules and being so good at understanding the
[44:03.600 -> 44:09.160] game. How do you explain their strategy? If they know all the roles and they know how it works
[44:09.160 -> 44:13.760] there is no excuse for the recent strategy calls. They've got no hope.
[44:13.760 -> 44:20.760] Absolutely no hope. I'm talking about the game of engineering. No, it's a whole package.
[44:20.760 -> 44:26.040] It's a whole package. If they can't work out the simple bits about doing a race,
[44:26.040 -> 44:28.480] how can they work out the small widget bits?
[44:28.480 -> 44:29.480] Oh no.
[44:29.480 -> 44:37.440] Don't you remember what Enzo himself said? That the arrow is for the people who can't
[44:37.440 -> 44:38.440] build engines.
[44:38.440 -> 44:45.960] So, Tero, I agree with your analogy of Ferrari being like jazz because jazz is big on improvisation
[44:45.960 -> 44:48.600] and they do improvise their strategies on the fly.
[44:48.600 -> 44:49.600] They're inventing.
[44:49.600 -> 44:50.600] They're always inventing.
[44:50.600 -> 44:53.800] Unless there's some serious organizational changes made.
[44:53.800 -> 44:54.800] Supportive.
[44:54.800 -> 44:55.800] Yeah.
[44:55.800 -> 44:58.720] I'm not sure that was supportive.
[44:58.720 -> 44:59.720] Was that supportive?
[44:59.720 -> 45:01.600] Yes, I take it as a support.
[45:01.600 -> 45:03.640] No, no, he's definitely shaking his head.
[45:03.640 -> 45:06.000] No, no, it's better to have your strategies planned out ahead of time.
[45:06.000 -> 45:07.320] It's not a good thing to improvise.
[45:07.720 -> 45:08.440] And we've got Pete.
[45:09.240 -> 45:12.280] Here's some semi support for Ferrari because I like, I like Ferrari.
[45:12.280 -> 45:16.080] I was, I like Mick, uh, or his father, Michael.
[45:16.440 -> 45:24.760] And, uh, and you know, I, but I don't think that Ferrari is going to really
[45:24.760 -> 45:26.080] challenge until they get an
[45:26.080 -> 45:27.360] understanding of tires.
[45:27.600 -> 45:32.300] It just seems that they never understand what their tires are doing.
[45:32.840 -> 45:37.160] And, and, and I really hope that they figure it out because I would like to see
[45:37.600 -> 45:39.080] Ferrari fighting Red Bull again.
[45:39.080 -> 45:42.560] That was, that was the best part of, of last year.
[45:43.000 -> 45:46.400] And, um, and it's going to be really boring if, if Red Bull is, is doing another, another, a repeat of last year and it's gonna be really boring if Red Bull
[45:46.400 -> 45:52.720] is doing another repeat of this year. And also, Sainz is the most
[45:52.720 -> 45:56.160] handsome man on the grid.
[45:56.160 -> 46:01.040] Absolutely. And with a rallying heritage.
[46:01.040 -> 46:04.280] You know, when something like that comes up and my instant thing was like,
[46:04.280 -> 46:09.600] no, I've got a counter to that. No, Spanner. No don't don't come in with a counter. You can agree or disagree
[46:09.720 -> 46:16.600] But don't nominate someone else. That can be a whole that can be a whole different show. But as a Finn
[46:17.160 -> 46:22.120] You have to root for Ferrari to be up there at least by
[46:28.440 -> 46:34.760] up there at least by 2027-ish when when Ferrari Junior Tuukka Tapone is going to be challenging Leclerc and by that time science is all gonna be on another team
[46:34.760 -> 46:38.480] already so. Oh hang on a minute Rolando's coming in with the you are gonna
[46:38.480 -> 46:42.440] nominate the handsome driver or best-looking driver you're on mute though.
[46:42.440 -> 46:48.000] There we go, wouldn't go. Yeah of I mean, what's F1 without a little drama, right?
[46:48.000 -> 46:53.000] So F1 is basically a big soap opera, and when you turn on that channel, you see the most beautiful people
[46:53.000 -> 46:59.000] acting out your favorite dramas. And Ferrari, for me, of course, is what got me into the drama.
[46:59.000 -> 47:05.400] But I have to agree with my girlfriend, who loves K-Mag as the most handsome driver.
[47:05.400 -> 47:10.160] So I would say category blonde handsome men, it's between Hulk and K-Mag.
[47:10.160 -> 47:14.200] I'll nominate them for co-best looking drivers on the grid.
[47:14.200 -> 47:16.720] Hulkenberg is like a Disney prince.
[47:16.720 -> 47:17.720] He's annoying.
[47:17.720 -> 47:19.720] He could be, yeah.
[47:19.720 -> 47:22.320] But he's so nice.
[47:22.320 -> 47:28.640] You want to hate him, but you can't. And that will help win races whenever
[47:28.640 -> 47:30.640] looks count for your aerodynamics.
[47:30.640 -> 47:36.760] Julie reminding me there in the chat of, oh, why did K-Mag go off on Piastri? It's so clear
[47:36.760 -> 47:42.280] that everyone's got an opinion on who the best looking F1 driver is. I'm not sure when
[47:42.280 -> 47:46.800] that sneaked in to general F1 discussion. All right, okay then,
[47:46.800 -> 47:53.040] right, so we're talking about what constitutes success for your driver, for your team, and Mike
[47:53.040 -> 47:58.560] Tero is saying that a championship constitutes success, and in a way he is right that that is
[47:58.560 -> 48:08.160] the lowest, that's the lowest thing that would count as a good season. Well, that's true. I mean, Ferrari have probably got the fastest car in some ways,
[48:08.160 -> 48:15.360] but that just means that Leclerc gets to crash sooner. So I'm not sure that's such a great thing.
[48:15.360 -> 48:22.160] I mean, what we all know, look at the constructors, the championship standings at the moment. I mean,
[48:22.160 -> 48:25.280] some people would say Red Bull are at the top.
[48:32.160 -> 48:40.560] But if you sort it alphabetically, Alfa Romeo are at the top. And I think that shouldn't be discounted. In fact, there are so many teams at the moment that begin with A, Alpine, Aston Martin,
[48:40.560 -> 48:46.080] Albatauri. It's the toughest, yeah, alphabetically. Yeah, Audi and Andretti, they only want to come
[48:46.080 -> 48:49.760] in because they'll they begin with A as well, you know, that's why William's got no chance.
[48:50.960 -> 48:57.760] And I've, I heard actually that Mercedes are planning to rebrand as Aardvark F1 because that
[48:57.760 -> 49:04.160] 2A at the beginning will obviously put them right at the front. Although Haas obviously tried that
[49:04.160 -> 49:06.480] strategy with the double A, but they stupidly put it in the middle rather than at the front. Although Haas obviously tried that strategy with a double A, but they stupidly put
[49:06.480 -> 49:12.720] it in the middle rather than at the beginning. So Alfa Romeo, I mean, they're such a great team.
[49:12.720 -> 49:18.080] I mean, no one, the thing is, they're never shown on the TV coverage because they're sort of in the
[49:18.080 -> 49:22.960] middle or at the back. But that means that no one hates them. They're the least hated team.
[49:22.960 -> 49:30.720] I mean, everyone hates Red Bull, everyone hates Mercedes bull everyone hates mercedes oh red bull red bull getting on that red getting in that red bull but no one hates alfaro
[49:30.720 -> 49:35.840] no one hates them they're lovely you're almost onto something here and and i think that um i think
[49:35.840 -> 49:42.480] that grid order like starting order quali should be done by naming so it has to be a re- you have
[49:42.480 -> 49:45.840] to name your team with a real name, but you're you
[49:45.840 -> 49:51.200] start the race alphabetically. That's why they can't be Salba. That's why they cannot be Salba.
[49:51.200 -> 49:56.160] They've got to be Alfa Romeo. Salba will be a disaster. Okay, so from my very low expectations
[49:56.160 -> 50:02.160] of how this would go, it is going fine apart from Mike, who I've spoken to many times. So
[50:02.160 -> 50:13.120] Mike is my fault because with the others I didn't know what to expect but I have no excuse for Mike. So I can only apologize and or take credit. I think we'll
[50:13.120 -> 50:19.600] do that. Okay the question is what constitutes success for your driver? Let's go to McLaren. So
[50:19.600 -> 50:26.240] Julie, what represents success? As a McLaren fan what what makes you go, okay, this was a great season?
[50:26.240 -> 50:34.520] So that would have to be coming second in the championship. Basically, trouncing Mercedes and
[50:34.520 -> 50:40.600] trouncing Ferrari. Trouncing, is it? Okay. Trouncing, definitely. Just by the consistency.
[50:40.600 -> 50:46.920] So constantly hitting the podium, ideally getting a win at some point would
[50:46.920 -> 50:47.920] be lovely.
[50:47.920 -> 50:49.800] They got a win at the weekend!
[50:49.800 -> 50:52.000] Actually kind of racking up those points by stealth.
[50:52.000 -> 50:54.200] Are you not counting Piastri's win?
[50:54.200 -> 50:59.160] It's a sprint. Are we counting sprint wins?
[50:59.160 -> 51:04.160] If it suits me, I would count the sprint. So because I like Piastri, I'm counting it.
[51:04.160 -> 51:05.200] I think Hadz, who don't I like? I like everyone. But okay, actually I like Piastri, I'm counting it. I think Hadz,
[51:05.200 -> 51:10.160] who don't I like? I like everyone. But okay, actually, if Norris had won, I'd have gone,
[51:10.160 -> 51:14.640] that's only a sprint. But it's Piastri, and the Australians have not had anything to
[51:14.640 -> 51:21.280] celebrate for a while as well. Okay, so you're saying second, who's gonna come in on that? Pete?
[51:22.000 -> 51:27.460] Yeah, I'm really looking forward to the the disaster the
[51:27.460 -> 51:33.940] PR disaster that's gonna happen when Lando goes to Red Bull and Piastri
[51:33.940 -> 51:39.200] wins a race before him and I think that Lando's head is gonna explode because I
[51:39.200 -> 51:42.900] don't think Lando can beat Max I just think Max is a better driver than a
[51:42.900 -> 51:45.000] better meat servo than than
[51:45.000 -> 51:50.640] Lando is. And but I think that Piastri is a I think Piastri is very, very good. And
[51:50.640 -> 51:59.160] I think that if McLaren he Piastri is a world championship caliber driver, whether or not
[51:59.160 -> 52:04.000] he will ever win a world championship, who knows? But he's I think he certainly could
[52:04.000 -> 52:05.440] if given the right car.
[52:05.440 -> 52:11.760] Okay, there's the elephant in the room, Julie, which is, is McLaren ultimately good enough to
[52:11.760 -> 52:17.600] hang on to a future superstar? You know, if that phenomenon comes in, the next Max,
[52:17.600 -> 52:23.440] the next Hamilton comes in, can McLaren actually hold on to someone of that level and give them
[52:23.440 -> 52:29.920] enough to stay? Absolutely, absolutely. If you think, if you judge from where they were at the beginning
[52:29.920 -> 52:34.640] of the season to where they are now in terms of developments in such a short space of time,
[52:34.640 -> 52:42.320] I think that they've got some really good kind of like forward projected kind of podiums amongst
[52:42.320 -> 52:46.360] them. And I certainly don't agree with the Red Bull move. I refuse
[52:46.360 -> 52:47.600] to believe it's going to be true.
[52:47.600 -> 52:49.320] I actually don't either.
[52:49.320 -> 52:54.560] I kind of had Norris lined up for Audi in 25.
[52:54.560 -> 52:59.040] Oh, so you think he's got to leave McLaren though? That's a step down, surely?
[52:59.040 -> 53:04.600] No, no, no. No, no. But if he was going to go anywhere, I would choose him to go to Andreas
[53:04.600 -> 53:06.560] Seidel and follow that route.
[53:06.560 -> 53:08.560] I see.
[53:08.560 -> 53:10.560] Not to go to the Death Star of Red Bull.
[53:10.860 -> 53:19.280] Okay, so let's put this to our Red Bull guy, because Pete, honestly, I would say no driver should go to Red Bull.
[53:19.280 -> 53:23.920] No, no driver should go to Red Bull. If you want to take on the Stappan somewhere else, fine,
[53:23.920 -> 53:30.960] but do not take that second Red Bull seat. So I do want to ask Julie one thing first. Julie,
[53:30.960 -> 53:36.480] do you think that like running glory laps in P1 is impressive? Because I think that's essentially
[53:36.480 -> 53:42.880] what McLaren is doing right now. Yes, they're out of sync. They are out of sync. I said that. Yeah.
[53:42.880 -> 53:51.020] Yeah. No, Spanners, you're right. Like almost, almost you're right like 98% of the time. It's just when you talk about Sebastian Vettel that you're wrong
[53:53.200 -> 53:59.680] But a normal person should be able to accept the 98% but I'm not having it I am insulted and and hurt
[54:01.480 -> 54:06.120] But um, no, I know they actually no should go to, to Red Bull while Max is there
[54:06.120 -> 54:07.880] because they will be the second driver.
[54:07.880 -> 54:15.440] But that doesn't mean that they won't because they have the best car and drivers are not
[54:15.440 -> 54:17.020] rational people.
[54:17.020 -> 54:23.120] They want the best machine and they, and, and they all, if you are in formula one, you
[54:23.120 -> 54:25.840] think that you're the greatest thing that's ever happened.
[54:25.840 -> 54:30.840] And so Lando is wrong about being able to beat Max, but he thinks that he could beat
[54:30.840 -> 54:33.480] Max and become the number one.
[54:33.480 -> 54:38.140] So whether he's right or not, he isn't.
[54:38.140 -> 54:44.080] But so yes, I think that if he got the opportunity to go to Red Bull, he would, because am I
[54:44.080 -> 54:45.360] saying that Max is the only one?
[54:45.360 -> 54:49.360] No, no. So, Rolando, you've got to say what you just typed in the chat.
[54:49.360 -> 54:57.320] Based on what Pete said is that Max is only champion because he has the best machine and
[54:57.320 -> 54:58.920] because of cheating.
[54:58.920 -> 55:05.040] I think that there would be probably, I don't know, I'd have to think about this but there would be a couple
[55:05.040 -> 55:08.680] of drivers who would who would be champions this year if they were in that
[55:08.680 -> 55:14.640] car. Max is a world-quality I don't think that's a crazy statement I think Max is a
[55:14.640 -> 55:23.720] world-class driver I think that he is going to go down with Hamilton and
[55:23.720 -> 55:25.000] Schumacher and Vettel.
[55:26.240 -> 55:27.080] And-
[55:27.080 -> 55:28.120] I was trying to fade you down
[55:28.120 -> 55:28.960] because I knew you were going to say Vettel
[55:28.960 -> 55:31.760] and I was trying to pull the fader down.
[55:31.760 -> 55:32.600] I couldn't do it.
[55:33.720 -> 55:36.640] But, so I think that, you know,
[55:36.640 -> 55:40.520] he's a great driver, but yes, I mean,
[55:40.520 -> 55:42.160] Formula One is about the team.
[55:42.160 -> 55:43.280] It's about the car.
[55:45.380 -> 55:47.120] If you want a driver's championship,
[55:47.120 -> 55:49.600] we should be watching IndyCar, you know?
[55:49.600 -> 55:52.840] But we want the car, we want the drama, you know?
[55:54.120 -> 55:55.880] Not to say that IndyCar drivers are better
[55:55.880 -> 55:57.600] than Formula One drivers, they're obviously not.
[55:57.600 -> 55:59.280] Formula One drivers are the best drivers,
[55:59.280 -> 56:04.080] but I don't know, I hope that makes sense.
[56:04.080 -> 56:09.760] No, I'm gonna say that that is a very, very good point and a good place for us to launch
[56:09.760 -> 56:14.320] off our elimination, our deadly elimination quiz.
[56:14.320 -> 56:17.440] I have to say guys, you've all been absolutely brilliant.
[56:17.440 -> 56:23.120] And one thing that I love to do with the panel is make them feel infinitely replaceable.
[56:23.120 -> 56:25.520] You know, I call them my light bulbs
[56:25.520 -> 56:26.840] because you can just, you know,
[56:26.840 -> 56:28.600] take one out and put another one in.
[56:28.600 -> 56:31.600] And it's just proved that basically anyone can do it.
[56:31.600 -> 56:33.320] None of you have hit your microphones.
[56:33.320 -> 56:35.960] None of you have made a weird pub analogy
[56:35.960 -> 56:39.320] and none of you have made inappropriate jokes
[56:39.320 -> 56:40.640] about Fernando Alonso.
[56:40.640 -> 56:43.280] So you're beating last week's panel already.
[56:43.280 -> 56:45.440] Let's move on to our elimination quiz.
[56:50.640 -> 56:56.800] Okay, I'm going to give each one of these heroes a question. If you get it right, you move on to
[56:56.800 -> 57:06.400] the final closest to round. If you get it wrong, you are out and you have poured shame on your entire fan base. Let's start
[57:06.400 -> 57:11.440] with... Okay, let's start with McLaren. So, Julie, this is for you. Are you ready? Are
[57:11.440 -> 57:12.440] you pumped?
[57:12.440 -> 57:13.440] Yep.
[57:13.440 -> 57:18.840] Okay, here we go. Here we go. Okay. So, who has won the most races for McLaren?
[57:18.840 -> 57:19.840] Hamilton.
[57:19.840 -> 57:27.480] Do you know what? That is an absolutely fair shout because Lewis Hamilton has had 21 victories, but the clear winner is
[57:28.480 -> 57:30.120] Edinson with
[57:30.120 -> 57:32.120] 35 so you are
[57:32.680 -> 57:39.060] Eliminated and McLaren are officially rubbish because of you you did this unlucky Julie
[57:39.280 -> 57:45.400] Okay, so we have got Pete. Oh, no, not Pete next, sorry Aston Martin. That is Scott. Hey Scott.
[57:45.400 -> 57:46.400] Hello.
[57:46.400 -> 57:47.400] Okay, here we go.
[57:47.400 -> 57:51.080] Aston Martin was Racing Point and before that it was Force India.
[57:51.080 -> 57:54.560] Name one of the other three names that team has raced under.
[57:54.560 -> 57:58.480] Jordan, Spiker, Midland, was that the other one?
[57:58.480 -> 58:01.800] I only wanted one but yeah, you absolutely nailed all three.
[58:01.800 -> 58:02.800] So you are, you're through.
[58:02.800 -> 58:08.360] And actually I just realized I need a bit of paper to mark down who made it Scott made it so Aston
[58:08.360 -> 58:15.720] Martin are still broadly fine because of you Scott okay Haas and in general
[58:15.720 -> 58:18.680] we've got you've made the case to be fair you made a good case Rolando here
[58:18.680 -> 58:24.480] we go Haas who drove for Haas in their first season in f1
[58:24.480 -> 58:27.600] Esteban Gutierrez for sure. I thought yes,
[58:27.600 -> 58:32.160] of course you're going to get that one. It was Grosjean the other driver? It was Romain Grosjean,
[58:32.160 -> 58:37.680] you are you're through, you're through to the next round. Okay Ferrari, here we go. This is actually
[58:37.680 -> 58:40.960] quite technically difficult to do by the way guys, there's so many buttons to press and I have to
[58:40.960 -> 58:46.320] write things. Ferrari, this is easy Tero. I think for you,
[58:46.320 -> 58:51.960] I think for a man of your calibre, name three Ferrari team principals.
[58:51.960 -> 59:00.200] Matti Abbinotto, Jean Toth, Fred Vasseur.
[59:00.200 -> 59:03.840] Fred Vasseur, come on, I should have said past one, shouldn't I, to make it a bit harder.
[59:03.840 -> 59:06.200] I'm surprised you didn't go for Franco Lini.
[59:06.200 -> 59:07.600] I'm building rules here.
[59:07.600 -> 59:10.600] Surprised you didn't go for Sandro Colombo.
[59:10.600 -> 59:12.600] I might have a list of F1 team principals.
[59:12.600 -> 59:15.600] In the end, that was too easy and I've gauged that wrong.
[59:15.600 -> 59:19.200] But, Tero, you are through to closest two.
[59:19.200 -> 59:20.800] Thank you for an easy one.
[59:20.800 -> 59:22.800] Yeah, you got lucky in the draw there.
[59:22.800 -> 59:27.280] Okay, Stewart, Williams, Williams fan, Stewart. Yeah, you got lucky in the draw there. Okay, Stuart, Williams fan, Stuart.
[59:27.280 -> 59:33.680] Okay. Yep. As you mentioned earlier, Maldonado nicked a win in 2012. Who was the last driver
[59:33.680 -> 59:40.800] before that to win a race for Williams? Oh, gosh, that would probably be Villeneuve.
[59:42.080 -> 59:48.560] You are eliminated, King of Ships. It was Juan Pablo Montoya, 2004.
[59:48.560 -> 59:52.320] And the thing is, I can forgive you, because it wasn't a great season, but they sort of
[59:52.320 -> 59:55.760] nicked a win at the end.
[59:55.760 -> 59:56.760] Yeah.
[59:56.760 -> 01:00:04.000] That was when Brazil, in Talagos, was the final, correctly the final race of the season.
[01:00:04.000 -> 01:00:05.000] 5. One second.
[01:00:05.000 -> 01:00:06.000] And I missed that.
[01:00:06.000 -> 01:00:07.000] Okay.
[01:00:07.000 -> 01:00:08.000] Came close.
[01:00:08.000 -> 01:00:09.000] Yeah.
[01:00:09.000 -> 01:00:10.000] A couple of times.
[01:00:10.000 -> 01:00:13.200] Yeah, he did, yeah, because 2014, isn't it, they just had that rocket ship that was missed.
[01:00:13.200 -> 01:00:15.840] Yes, the rocket launch is around the track, yes.
[01:00:15.840 -> 01:00:16.840] Yeah, it was like 14 or 15.
[01:00:16.840 -> 01:00:19.040] They had a couple of faults on NASA too, in there somewhere.
[01:00:19.040 -> 01:00:22.680] Well, NASA was going to win in Montreal and crashed right in front of me.
[01:00:22.680 -> 01:00:23.680] It was so frustrating.
[01:00:23.680 -> 01:00:25.360] Of course, because you live on a ship, you can just go to any Grand Prix. to win in Montreal and crashed right in front of me. It was so frustrating.
[01:00:29.040 -> 01:00:32.320] Of course, because you live on a ship, you can just go to any Grand Prix. You just sail to wherever the next one is. And it's near a river.
[01:00:32.320 -> 01:00:35.840] All right. So I tried to give an easy one to Williams because I like Williams.
[01:00:37.120 -> 01:00:41.120] I failed miserably. Red Bull aren't going to get the same treatment, obviously. Okay.
[01:00:41.840 -> 01:00:45.520] The Red Bull logo is two Red Bulls
[01:00:45.560 -> 01:00:49.040] charging at each other. Which mythical creature is that
[01:00:49.040 -> 01:00:52.400] design inspired by? That's not the real question, though. That
[01:00:52.400 -> 01:00:57.720] would be a horrible question. It was a tie. Do you know if you
[01:00:57.720 -> 01:00:59.160] know it, you get through twice.
[01:00:59.480 -> 01:01:03.920] Oh my goodness. So okay, so it started off as a Thai syrup,
[01:01:04.000 -> 01:01:10.640] energy drink syrup for for Thai truck drivers, and I've had the original recipe and it is terrifying
[01:01:10.640 -> 01:01:15.040] I could feel my heart trying to claw its way out of my chest and
[01:01:17.520 -> 01:01:19.600] It's it is it's I think that it's
[01:01:20.440 -> 01:01:22.440] something in the in the in the
[01:01:23.400 -> 01:01:25.000] kind of Thai Buddhist pantheon,
[01:01:25.920 -> 01:01:28.480] but no more than that.
[01:01:28.480 -> 01:01:32.800] So actually it is the mythical creature, the Krathong,
[01:01:32.800 -> 01:01:35.240] which is believed to bring good fortune and protection.
[01:01:35.240 -> 01:01:37.560] But I was never, that was not gonna be the question,
[01:01:37.560 -> 01:01:38.400] of course.
[01:01:38.400 -> 01:01:39.840] Okay, so the real question is,
[01:01:39.840 -> 01:01:41.600] and I'm gonna see if I can trip you up.
[01:01:41.600 -> 01:01:45.040] How many World Constructors Championships have Red Bull won?
[01:01:53.520 -> 01:01:59.360] Ah, it's... is it... okay. Okay, are you counting the Abu Dhabi one? Sir, the question is, how many World Constructors Championships have Red Bull won?
[01:02:00.720 -> 01:02:03.440] Constructors would be six, drivers would be seven.
[01:02:03.440 -> 01:02:08.800] I wondered if I could catch you out by 2021, but you're safely through there.
[01:02:08.800 -> 01:02:11.200] So that is Pete through.
[01:02:11.200 -> 01:02:11.960] Okay.
[01:02:11.960 -> 01:02:17.880] Yes, of course, they won every Constructors Championship from 2020 to 2013 and 2022 and 2023.
[01:02:17.880 -> 01:02:20.720] Thought you might get thrown maybe by they didn't win it in 2021,
[01:02:20.720 -> 01:02:27.000] or the fact they've never had a one-two in the driver standings as well. Okay, so then
[01:02:27.000 -> 01:02:32.000] who have we got left here? Ah, Mike! Mike, are you ready?
[01:02:32.000 -> 01:02:33.000] I'm ready.
[01:02:33.000 -> 01:02:42.600] Okay, since rejoining F1, what is Alfa Romeo's highest championship position?
[01:02:42.600 -> 01:02:49.720] Fangio drove for Alfa Romeo since 6th, no 8th!
[01:02:49.720 -> 01:02:50.720] Which one is it?
[01:02:50.720 -> 01:02:52.120] You've just yelled two numbers at me.
[01:02:52.120 -> 01:02:53.120] Are you Googling?
[01:02:53.120 -> 01:02:56.120] I'm not Googling, my hands are here.
[01:02:56.120 -> 01:02:58.120] He's too old, he doesn't know how to Google.
[01:02:58.120 -> 01:03:00.720] Okay, I'll go in the middle, 7th.
[01:03:00.720 -> 01:03:08.480] Unlucky, it was 6th and it was last season as well. I assumed you'd know that it was
[01:03:08.480 -> 01:03:13.920] sixth in 2022 but I thought I'd catch you out by saying, by thinking like that, you
[01:03:13.920 -> 01:03:18.800] know, you could include previous incarnations but actually sixth is the highest they've
[01:03:18.800 -> 01:03:19.800] ever finished.
[01:03:19.800 -> 01:03:20.800] Oh.
[01:03:20.800 -> 01:03:21.800] Yeah, there you go.
[01:03:21.800 -> 01:03:22.800] So, I'm out.
[01:03:22.800 -> 01:03:25.100] So, you're out. So, in the next round, I've forgotten Rolando's question. Did you get it right? You did. Okay, so yeah, I'm out so you're out so in the next round
[01:03:25.100 -> 01:03:29.660] I've forgotten Rolando's question. Did you get it? Right? You did. Okay, so Rolando's in
[01:03:29.660 -> 01:03:33.740] So you are only going to have 10 seconds to answer this question
[01:03:33.740 -> 01:03:36.440] I want you to put it in the live chat and then we'll talk about
[01:03:36.960 -> 01:03:40.600] What you put in there does everybody understand the assignment everybody who's still in?
[01:03:40.940 -> 01:03:45.520] Nod at me that you understood the assignment. Okay, so you're going to type a number
[01:03:46.240 -> 01:03:53.120] into the chat and the closest to it is going to win. So you're not going to have enough time to
[01:03:53.120 -> 01:03:58.720] Google this, hopefully. Okay, so is it like the Chaser? I've never watched a full episode of the
[01:03:58.720 -> 01:04:14.000] Chaser, so I don't know. But Mike's been on the Chaser, so that was fun. So we all know that despite the controversy in Abu Dhabi 2021, Max Verstappen deserved to win the championship anyway, because he led the most laps.
[01:04:14.000 -> 01:04:26.000] How many laps did Max Verstappen lead in 2021? Go! I want it in the chat. I want your eyes on the screen. I'm going to be checking for any kind of googling sounds or tapping.
[01:04:26.000 -> 01:04:29.000] We've got some guesses coming in. I'm only going to give you five more seconds.
[01:04:29.000 -> 01:04:37.000] If you haven't put a guess in, in five more seconds, I think Mike might be a little bit out with 99,900,000.
[01:04:37.000 -> 01:04:48.880] That's too many. And that's your time. Gentlemen, the answer. Let's see what people said. Rolando said 45 laps were led by Max Verstappen.
[01:04:48.880 -> 01:04:53.440] That's only like two races worth. What are you doing?
[01:04:53.440 -> 01:04:56.480] That was a crazy guess.
[01:04:56.480 -> 01:05:00.680] Mike, you've put an answer in that is close to 10 billion.
[01:05:00.680 -> 01:05:04.400] So that's that isn't right. You didn't you didn't win on this occasion.
[01:05:04.400 -> 01:05:05.760] I'm sorry you're out
[01:05:05.760 -> 01:05:11.840] or whatever they say on the chaser so we're left with Tero for Ferrari Pete for Red Bull
[01:05:11.840 -> 01:05:17.280] oh man I hope Red Bull don't win and Scott for Aston Martin so Pete has gone in with
[01:05:17.840 -> 01:05:30.080] 1200 and one Scott has gone in with 1200 and Tero has gone in with 547. The correct answer is that Max Verstappen
[01:05:30.080 -> 01:05:38.320] deserved to win the 2021 World Championship anyway because he led 652 laps of the 2021
[01:05:38.320 -> 01:05:44.720] season, which makes Tero our grand champion for the first ever Listener Forum. Well done
[01:05:44.720 -> 01:05:46.080] Tero and we all applaud.
[01:05:46.080 -> 01:05:49.280] Thank you, thank you, thank you. Much appreciated.
[01:05:49.920 -> 01:05:55.520] You have won the only Ferrari victory of the season. Oh no, you had Singapore.
[01:05:56.080 -> 01:05:57.680] You had Singapore. Wasn't that fun?
[01:05:57.680 -> 01:05:58.880] You were forgetting.
[01:05:58.880 -> 01:05:59.380] Yeah.
[01:06:00.560 -> 01:06:02.320] I was inventing there for a second, wasn't I?
[01:06:03.120 -> 01:06:03.840] Sorry, who was that?
[01:06:05.280 -> 01:06:09.640] If Pete beat me by going 12.01, that'd be very Red Bull of him.
[01:06:09.640 -> 01:06:10.640] That's what I was hoping for.
[01:06:10.640 -> 01:06:11.640] I saw what he did.
[01:06:11.640 -> 01:06:14.240] You went 1200 and Pete went straight in with 1201.
[01:06:14.240 -> 01:06:17.040] And that's the first thing I thought, classic Red Bull.
[01:06:17.040 -> 01:06:21.760] So what I'm going to do though, Pete, is I understand that you found a little loophole
[01:06:21.760 -> 01:06:22.760] there.
[01:06:22.760 -> 01:06:27.680] But what I will say is that in future patron panels, listener panels, that will no longer be allowed or tolerated.
[01:06:27.680 -> 01:06:30.480] Red Bull.
[01:06:30.480 -> 01:06:36.880] That's also so Red Bull. You do something which immediately gets countered by a rule.
[01:06:36.880 -> 01:06:42.800] Okay. So that was definitely the joke I was making. So that's what I did there. It was
[01:06:42.800 -> 01:06:46.800] very clever. Thank you very much to Julie at McLaren,
[01:06:47.360 -> 01:06:53.440] our McLaren expert. Thank you very much to Pete, our Red Bull connoisseur, Stuart,
[01:06:53.440 -> 01:06:59.680] defending Williams. Rolando, trying his best to defend Haas. Scott, playing devil's advocate at
[01:06:59.680 -> 01:07:07.280] Aston Martin. Tero, our champion at Ferrari. And also, who did I miss out in all of that Mike Stoner
[01:07:07.280 -> 01:07:14.080] gainfully employed to defend Alfa Romeo that was actually pretty successful and I hope that you'll
[01:07:14.080 -> 01:07:19.120] give us some lovely feedback and we'll do that kind of thing again because it was fun who needs
[01:07:19.120 -> 01:07:26.640] Matt anyway no no Matt will be back on Sunday we're going to do a news show, but wherever we see you next, work hard, be kind and have fun.
[01:07:26.640 -> 01:07:57.080] This was MissedApex Podcast. Okay, what we're going to do now is we're going to get people to vote for who was the
[01:07:57.080 -> 01:07:59.200] best and worst on the panel.
[01:07:59.200 -> 01:08:00.200] No, we couldn't do that.
[01:08:00.200 -> 01:08:01.200] So say goodbye, everyone.
[01:08:01.200 -> 01:08:02.200] Say goodbye.
[01:08:02.200 -> 01:08:03.200] Goodbye.
[01:08:03.200 -> 01:08:04.200] Bye.
[01:08:04.200 -> 01:08:05.000] Bye. Bye. Bye bye. Bye bye.
[01:08:05.000 -> 01:08:06.000] Bye bye.
[01:08:06.000 -> 01:08:07.000] Bye bye.
[01:08:07.000 -> 01:08:08.000] Bye bye.
[01:08:08.000 -> 01:08:09.000] Bye bye.
[01:08:09.000 -> 01:08:10.000] Bye bye.
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