Podcast: Missed Apex
Published Date:
Sun, 21 May 2023 21:49:01 GMT
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Spanners is joined by Alex “Jeansy Vangeen, Chris ‘Catman” Turner and Danish TV journo Kristian ‘Chaos’ Pedersen as they dive deep into another Missed Apex Mailbag. From driver discussions to audience attention spans, from Max the media star to whether Liberty needs a Lewis win, no boundary layer goes uncalculated in this, the latest episode of Missed Apex Podcast.
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**Missed Apex Podcast: Mailbag Special**
Join Spanners, Alex Vangeen, Catman Turner, and Kristian Pedersen as they delve into the latest batch of listener questions in this episode of the Missed Apex podcast.
**Hot Topics:**
* **Underrated and Overrated Drivers:**
* Christian Pedersen believes that there are no overrated drivers on the current grid, but he suggests Nick de Vries and Nyck de Vries as underrated drivers.
* Catman Turner nominates Kevin Magnussen as both underrated and overrated, citing his inconsistent performances.
* Alex Vangeen surprisingly picks Fernando Alonso as an overrated driver, arguing that Alonso's self-inflated image doesn't match his actual achievements.
* **Le Mans Lineup:**
* If they were team managers for Le Mans, the panelists would choose Fernando Alonso and Kevin Magnussen as drivers for their super lineup.
* Catman also mentions Jan Magnussen, Kevin's father, as a skilled GT racer.
* **Pierre Gasly:**
* Connor Chanley from the live chat suggests that Pierre Gasly is overrated, but acknowledges his cool and confident demeanor on track.
**Overall Message:**
The episode highlights the diverse opinions and perspectives of the panelists on various Formula One topics, providing an engaging and informative discussion for listeners.
**Additional Points:**
* The panelists discuss the Nurburgring 24 Hours race and share their thoughts on the unique challenges and excitement of multi-class racing.
* Spanners mentions the upcoming Missed Apex karting event on July 1st and the iRacing tournament starting on July 7th.
* Alex Vangeen expresses his frustration with having to tidy up his shed instead of watching the canceled Monaco Grand Prix.
I hope this revised summary is more to your liking. Please let me know if you have any other feedback or requests. 1. **Overrated and Underrated Drivers:**
- Alex Albon is considered overrated due to his performance at Red Bull and Williams, while Pierre Gasly is underrated for his consistency as a midfield driver.
- Christian Turner and Kristian Pedersen agree with the assessment of Albon being overrated, citing his struggles at Red Bull and lack of standout performances at Williams.
- Spanners Ready defends Gasly, highlighting his skill and potential, and argues that he is a better driver than Albon.
2. **The Imola 2005 Race:**
- The question is raised whether a race like Imola 2005, with its refueling and grooved tires, would be considered a great race in the current Formula One era.
- Catman Turner believes it would not be considered a great race, citing the lack of overtakes and the reliance on strategy.
- Spanners Ready argues that the race would still be exciting due to the skill of the drivers and the strategic battles, but agrees that the commentary and media portrayal would influence how it is perceived.
- Christian Turner highlights the masterful defensive driving of Fernando Alonso, emphasizing the importance of showcasing the drivers' skills in commentary.
3. **The Role of Commentary and Media:**
- The discussion shifts to the impact of commentary and media on the perception of races.
- Spanners Ready criticizes the tendency of commentators to apologize for boring races, arguing that they should focus on highlighting the positive aspects and explaining the complexities of the sport.
- Catman Turner agrees, emphasizing the need for commentators to educate viewers about the nuances of racing and the challenges faced by drivers.
4. **Fuel Stop Races and DRS:**
- The conversation moves to the impact of refueling and DRS on overtaking and race strategy.
- Spanners Ready argues that refueling races allowed for more strategic battles and unpredictable outcomes, while DRS has made overtaking too easy and reduced the need for skill and strategy.
- Catman Turner agrees, expressing his dislike for the current DRS system and advocating for a return to more challenging overtaking maneuvers.
5. **The Halo and Tire Facts:**
- The discussion briefly touches on the Halo device and its integration into Formula One.
- Spanners Ready and Catman Turner express their appreciation for the Halo's safety benefits, acknowledging that it has become an essential part of the sport.
- Christian Turner shares a humorous fact about the burning of tires after races, highlighting the creative recycling process involved. * **Podcast Episode Transcript:**
**Missed Apex Mailbag: Safety, Street Circuits, and Driver Equality**
**Hosts:**
* Spanners
* Alex Vangeen
* Chris “Catman” Turner
* Kristian “Chaos” Pedersen
**Key Points:**
* The hosts discuss the recent safety standards in Formula One and how they have made street tracks look more similar.
* They debate whether or not this is a good thing, with some arguing that it makes the races more exciting and others saying that it takes away from the uniqueness of each track.
* They also discuss the possibility of having random driver assignments for each race, which would level the playing field and make the competition more about the teams than the drivers.
* Finally, they talk about the importance of diversity in Formula One and what can be done to encourage more women and people of color to participate in the sport.
**Quotes:**
* “I think from a driver perspective, all you need is your markings and markings can be whatever it can be part of nature or a bit of the part of the concrete on track or part of the fence or whatever. You just need your marks to where you break and where you do kinds of stuff.” - Kristian Pedersen
* “I don't really want that. I want them to be able to technically try and take the fastest line, and I don't want one mistake to mean you're out.” - Catman
* “I mean, I know people don't like us talking about sim racing, but even at Imola this week in the Formula 3, and at Imola, all the walls are very, very close. You make one tiny mistake and you're buried in the wall.” - Alex Vangeen
* “I just think it tingles them so much, they don't care what it looks like.” - Alex Vangeen
**Summary:**
In this episode of the Missed Apex podcast, the hosts discuss the recent safety standards in Formula One and how they have made street tracks look more similar. They debate whether or not this is a good thing, with some arguing that it makes the races more exciting and others saying that it takes away from the uniqueness of each track. They also discuss the possibility of having random driver assignments for each race, which would level the playing field and make the competition more about the teams than the drivers. Finally, they talk about the importance of diversity in Formula One and what can be done to encourage more women and people of color to participate in the sport. **Section 1: Introduction**
* Spanners, Jeansy, Catman, and Kristian join for a Missed Apex Mailbag episode.
* They discuss various topics raised by listeners, including driver discussions, audience attention spans, and Liberty Media's involvement in Formula One.
**Section 2: Street Circuits and Their Impact on the Sport**
* The hosts debate the increasing number of street circuits on the Formula One calendar.
* They discuss the challenges and drawbacks of street circuits compared to traditional race tracks.
* Kristian emphasizes the safety concerns associated with street circuits, citing the dangerous crash involving Mick Schumacher in Saudi Arabia.
* Alex highlights the potential for street circuits to provide unique and exciting racing experiences.
* Christian argues that Liberty Media's focus on money and eyeballs has led to the proliferation of street circuits.
**Section 3: Liberty Media's Role in Formula One**
* The hosts discuss Liberty Media's ownership of Formula One and its impact on the sport.
* Spanners expresses concern that Liberty Media is prioritizing financial gain over the quality of racing.
* Christian defends Liberty Media, stating that they have made significant improvements to the overall Formula One experience.
* He emphasizes Liberty Media's efforts to attract new fans and increase the sport's global reach.
**Section 4: The Importance of Overtaking and Fan Engagement**
* The hosts discuss the importance of overtaking in Formula One and its impact on fan engagement.
* They acknowledge that Liberty Media has made efforts to increase overtaking opportunities, such as introducing sprint races.
* However, they also recognize that the current regulations have made it more difficult for cars to overtake each other.
* Spanners argues that Liberty Media has sacrificed the quality of racing in pursuit of excitement and drama.
**Section 5: The Future of Formula One**
* The hosts speculate on the future of Formula One and the challenges it faces.
* They discuss the increasing popularity of electric and hybrid vehicles and their potential impact on the sport.
* They also discuss the importance of sustainability and the need for Formula One to reduce its environmental footprint.
**Conclusion:**
* The hosts wrap up the podcast by emphasizing the importance of finding a balance between entertainment and sporting integrity in Formula One.
* They acknowledge that Liberty Media has made positive changes to the sport but also express concerns about the direction it is heading. - The Missed Apex podcast team, including Alex "Jeansy Vangeen," Chris "Catman" Turner, and Kristian "Chaos" Pedersen, delve into another episode of their podcast, discussing various topics related to Formula One racing.
- The discussion centers around a listener's question about the popularity of Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton, and whether Liberty Media, the owners of Formula One, would prefer a Lewis Hamilton win for business reasons.
- The hosts analyze the reasons behind Verstappen's rise in popularity, attributing it to a combination of his driving skills, the dominance of Red Bull Racing, and the effectiveness of his fan base in promoting him on social media.
- They also discuss the impact of social media on Formula One, noting that Verstappen's fans have been particularly vocal and effective in promoting him, while Lewis Hamilton's fans have been more intense and argumentative.
- The hosts debate whether Verstappen's lifestyle and lack of engagement with the media and fans outside of racing is detrimental to the sport, arguing that a champion should be more visible and accessible to promote Formula One.
- They acknowledge that Verstappen's popularity is overrated by the media and officials, and that Lewis Hamilton's global reach and engagement with fans are more valuable to the sport.
- The hosts also discuss the partisan nature of Formula One fandom, noting that it has evolved from a more inclusive and friendly atmosphere in the past to a more divided and contentious one today.
- They emphasize the importance of having a champion who is not only a great driver but also a good ambassador for the sport, someone who can represent Formula One positively and promote its growth.
- The episode concludes with a discussion of the upcoming Monaco Grand Prix and a preview of the midweek content and Patreon pod that listeners can look forward to.
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[02:16.740 -> 02:20.340] You are listening to Missed Apex Podcast.
[02:20.340 -> 02:33.880] We live F1
[02:42.020 -> 02:46.820] Welcome to miss apex podcast. I'm your host Richard ready. It's the race review of the oh, no, it's not but don't worry We've still got some interesting f1 topics to come because it is a mailbag show
[02:46.820 -> 02:50.060] So the topics have been decided by you lot out there
[02:50.080 -> 02:55.860] So if it's a rubbish show, it's all your fault, but I've scanned ahead and the questions are absolutely fantastic
[02:56.520 -> 03:02.960] So I think that this might actually be my favorite element of missed apex that we have a big enough community
[03:03.220 -> 03:08.680] Around this show now that when we ask for your input, we get it. So we've got some great questions today, and
[03:08.680 -> 03:14.120] I want to expand that into getting your voices on the podcast, having some live call-ins.
[03:14.120 -> 03:19.280] We did a bit of a test run, a beta run of that on our Patreon podcasts last year, and
[03:19.280 -> 03:23.480] in the second half of this season, we're going to have that. So get your call-in muscles
[03:23.480 -> 03:28.960] fired up if you want to come and spam us with questions on Myst Apex podcast. Also I have some
[03:28.960 -> 03:33.560] ambitious plans for things like live shows but we are being occupied at the
[03:33.560 -> 03:38.680] moment by our Myst Apex karting July 1st. I believe there are two places left that
[03:38.680 -> 03:42.400] is proving quite popular but there's still time to get into our iRacing
[03:42.400 -> 03:45.300] tournament as well that's starting on July 7th
[03:45.300 -> 03:49.240] So email me for both those things, spanners at mistapex.net
[03:49.240 -> 03:54.780] But we are an independent podcast produced in the podcasting shed with the kind permission of our better halves
[03:54.780 -> 03:59.680] We aim to bring you a race review before your Monday morning commute. We might be wrong, but we're first
[04:09.720 -> 04:12.760] A little change in the lineup this week. The only responsible grown-up on the Myst Apex panel I could find, it's Chris Catmanturna. Hi Chris.
[04:12.760 -> 04:17.960] Hey Spanners, I thought I'd be getting a break from F1 and motorsport this weekend, but then
[04:17.960 -> 04:22.480] there was the absolutely bonkers Nurburgring 24 hours race, and so there we went.
[04:22.480 -> 04:26.800] I did start and watch the beginning of that. And I have to admit there is something about
[04:26.800 -> 04:30.460] multi-class racing over a seven minute lap
[04:30.460 -> 04:34.080] that was amazing watching these, the big sports cars,
[04:34.080 -> 04:35.040] I don't know what they're called,
[04:35.040 -> 04:37.940] overtaking like a Dacia that's going half the pace.
[04:37.940 -> 04:39.840] It was fun and I really enjoyed it.
[04:39.840 -> 04:41.800] But after about an hour, I thought,
[04:41.800 -> 04:44.280] nah, I don't know if I can take another 23.
[04:44.280 -> 04:45.920] And I did, It's too long for
[04:45.920 -> 04:51.040] me, Catman, too long. Yeah, 24 hours is awesome, it's exactly the right length for motorsport,
[04:51.040 -> 04:56.960] but that little Dacia, bless it, it totaled itself after a while. But that looks like me
[04:56.960 -> 05:02.480] when I'm on iRacing against the crew, this is me driving pootling around. I wanted it to win. I
[05:02.480 -> 05:05.040] think it's worth watching a rerun of the Nürburgring
[05:05.040 -> 05:10.640] 24 hours just to see them all overtaking that car. But we have a couple of rogues with us as well.
[05:10.640 -> 05:15.280] It can't all be responsible grown-ups. We've got Alex, Gene Zivan. Gene, how's it going mate?
[05:15.280 -> 05:20.080] Evening spanners. Yeah, no, I'm grumpy today because I didn't get to watch Grand Prix and
[05:20.080 -> 05:25.200] because the Grand Prix wasn't on I had to go and tidy my shed and that was long and boring and
[05:25.200 -> 05:29.280] laborious and then when I pulled out all the stuff that needed to go to the dump I realized I've
[05:29.280 -> 05:32.960] changed my car and it's not as big as it used to be and I couldn't put any of it in the car.
[05:32.960 -> 05:38.240] Yeah. So I just have a big mound of rubbish now in my garden. As soon as the Grand Prix was
[05:38.240 -> 05:43.520] cancelled I went and told my wife and family and then I realized like instantly I'd made a mistake
[05:43.520 -> 05:45.140] because oh my goodness isn't it like a dad's time is like a I'd made a mistake because oh my goodness
[05:45.140 -> 05:49.240] isn't it like a dad's time is like a it's like a muddy puddle it as soon as it dries
[05:49.240 -> 05:51.600] up it just gets filled in with more stuff.
[05:51.600 -> 05:53.800] That sounds like a Peppa Pig reference.
[05:53.800 -> 05:58.980] Yeah I don't know I don't know I don't know I'm very tired like you I also have been dragged
[05:58.980 -> 05:59.980] into that stuff.
[05:59.980 -> 06:00.980] Tired and grumpy.
[06:00.980 -> 06:03.800] And the roguest of them all it's Christian Pedersen from Denmark.
[06:03.800 -> 06:04.800] Hey Christian.
[06:04.800 -> 06:07.120] Yeah don't look around I'm talking about about you, sir. Yes, you.
[06:07.120 -> 06:10.000] Oh, yeah, me. Good evening, sir.
[06:11.040 -> 06:15.360] I've prepared something in the absence of Matt.
[06:16.000 -> 06:20.560] So during the podcast, if you need a tie effect,
[06:20.560 -> 06:24.320] I have like one-liners, maybe a little bit more than one-liners.
[06:24.320 -> 06:29.000] One writer now? I mean, I could open up with like a basic tire effect.
[06:29.000 -> 06:36.000] Okay, so we could say, okay, in the live chat, you can randomly at some point after the 10 minute mark, type tires,
[06:36.000 -> 06:42.000] and we'll play a stinger and we'll go, right, I want to be quickly tired out by Christian Pedersen.
[06:42.000 -> 06:43.000] No, wait, that sounds inappropriate.
[06:43.000 -> 06:48.320] Do you trust our live chat to not just spam tires?
[06:48.320 -> 06:49.200] No, they're going to instantly do it.
[06:49.200 -> 06:51.360] Do you trust me with facts?
[06:52.320 -> 06:57.040] Yeah, by the way, when you mentioned the fact that me and Christian are rogues,
[06:58.160 -> 07:04.000] we were trying to be offended by that in the pre-chat and then exactly proved why that Chris
[07:04.000 -> 07:05.480] is the more responsible one
[07:05.480 -> 07:10.920] and we are the rogues allow me to play I'm not even offended catman I was about to say
[07:10.920 -> 07:16.560] your uh your little tire pun there didn't go unnoticed it was really slick oh dear we're
[07:16.560 -> 07:21.400] off to a tech honestly we're off to a terrible start we're just going in our 40 it's gonna
[07:21.400 -> 07:25.000] be a really good 40 all of. This show might hit an hour.
[07:25.000 -> 07:29.000] Quiet in the cheap seats. Camera, camera on me, camera one, thank you very much Uncle Steve.
[07:29.000 -> 07:38.000] Right, let's go to the listener questions. There's a fantastic one from Vace Van Bruggen about the 2005 Imola race replay,
[07:38.000 -> 07:42.000] which is a great question, we're gonna do that second though. Because anybody who doesn't like the first question,
[07:42.000 -> 07:47.580] we'll go, oh at least we can hang on for the second one. I think we'll like this from Jared. Simple.
[07:47.580 -> 07:52.000] Who is the most underrated driver on the grid and who is the most overrated? So I asked
[07:52.000 -> 07:56.720] my panel if they could pick one or the other to give us an example. Let's see, who should
[07:56.720 -> 08:01.600] we go with first? Christian, who's underrated or overrated on the F1 grid?
[08:01.600 -> 08:07.280] Actually I do not think anyone's underrated, Sorry, overrated right now. I don't think
[08:07.280 -> 08:14.040] we have, we don't have a Masipin or someone like that on the field right now.
[08:14.040 -> 08:16.120] He was never rated.
[08:16.120 -> 08:28.080] Exactly. You could say Stroll, but I think Stroll just has reality against him and he lives up to his job, you could say. So overrated? I
[08:28.080 -> 08:34.360] don't think so. Underrated? I would say maybe Sargent due to his start of the
[08:34.360 -> 08:39.960] season and definitely De Vries. I think De Vries is a much better driver than
[08:39.960 -> 08:44.680] we're seeing. Okay, so you're saying they're underrated but in the defense of
[08:44.680 -> 08:45.000] people who
[08:45.000 -> 08:49.360] are underrating them, the only time we've really heard a lot about them is when they've
[08:49.360 -> 08:55.720] been hitting a car or a barrier. Yeah, but in regards to Sargent, it's a little bit
[08:55.720 -> 09:01.200] difficult for me to judge him, but De Vries, he's got a lot of racing under his belt and
[09:01.200 -> 09:08.200] he's proven himself. So I think it's just about time for him. And in regards to Sargent, he's got a very strong teammate.
[09:08.200 -> 09:14.160] So maybe the one asking the question is meaning underrated in the fact that
[09:14.240 -> 09:19.200] they can do much more than they're doing right now, or I'm more or less
[09:19.200 -> 09:21.560] taking it from a PI angle, if you know what I mean.
[09:22.080 -> 09:24.840] I mean, De Vries is a Formula E champion.
[09:24.840 -> 09:26.920] So, you know, he's not to be sniffed at, and
[09:26.920 -> 09:27.920] he's a great driver.
[09:27.920 -> 09:32.280] He was shown last year at Monza on his debut, he was brilliant, but this year he's just
[09:32.280 -> 09:37.920] been absolutely lacklustre, and I hear there's reports of him already looking to be replaced
[09:37.920 -> 09:38.920] at Alfa Tauro.
[09:38.920 -> 09:42.720] I mean, that's pretty quick, even by Red Bull standards.
[09:42.720 -> 09:45.280] I mean, I agree with you on De Vries.
[09:45.280 -> 09:47.240] I do think De Vries is a really good driver.
[09:47.240 -> 09:49.560] I think he's just had the really harsh end
[09:49.560 -> 09:51.160] of the luck for this season.
[09:51.160 -> 09:54.440] It's probably the worst Alpha Tauri, Toro Rosso
[09:54.440 -> 09:56.440] we've had in a really, really long time.
[09:56.440 -> 09:57.800] He's up against a teammate, Yuki,
[09:57.800 -> 09:59.840] on his third season, I think.
[09:59.840 -> 10:02.560] So has finally got himself under the table.
[10:02.560 -> 10:05.440] And bearing in mind, he got a lot of slack by the
[10:05.440 -> 10:10.480] team when he first joined they took him they moved him closer to the factory so they could
[10:10.480 -> 10:16.240] train with him more and coach him more you know they've literally thrown nick in and in a difficult
[10:16.240 -> 10:26.000] car and expecting him to swim and now almost threatening him with danielciardo. I do believe he's underrated and also the first
[10:26.000 -> 10:32.480] five races we've had um are at terrible circuits for new drivers as well. Tracks he's never been
[10:32.480 -> 10:38.000] to before. You didn't need to say new drivers by the way. The five tracks they're terrible tracks
[10:38.000 -> 10:41.280] uh but yeah you're right they've been the kind of street circuits where mistakes are going to be
[10:42.000 -> 10:45.120] amplified and so they're going to show through more.
[10:45.120 -> 10:51.180] It's unfortunate but F1 is a political game as much as a sporting game. So when this drum
[10:51.180 -> 10:56.500] beat of negativity starts to come in, it's kind of almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy
[10:56.500 -> 11:01.140] and then it becomes a mental game for Nick de Vries. Can he actually hold it together
[11:01.140 -> 11:03.960] underneath that pressure? Because there's got to be more pressure now because if you're
[11:03.960 -> 11:06.080] doing fine, you go into a race weekend,
[11:06.080 -> 11:07.580] and you accept there's a certain chance
[11:07.580 -> 11:09.820] that you might hit a wall or hit Norris,
[11:09.820 -> 11:13.020] and that happens, that's racing, it does happen.
[11:13.020 -> 11:15.180] But if it's happened like three or four sessions in a row,
[11:15.180 -> 11:16.400] three or four races in a row,
[11:16.400 -> 11:19.880] suddenly you go, I need to not make that headline,
[11:19.880 -> 11:22.920] then you're driving completely within yourself.
[11:22.920 -> 11:26.240] We've discussed this, and I think you mentioned it when you were on with Kyle the other day
[11:26.240 -> 11:30.880] or we met the other week when he just needs to not be heard from for a while and I just
[11:30.880 -> 11:32.820] hope he can hang on till Spain.
[11:32.820 -> 11:38.980] If he can, if he turns up at Spain and does a rubbish job at Spain then alarm bells can
[11:38.980 -> 11:43.980] start ringing but Spain will be a track that he knows, that he's raced at before in various
[11:43.980 -> 11:45.120] different formulas
[11:45.120 -> 11:50.480] and will show his quality. You know, people say, oh, he went to Monza and Monza's an easy circuit.
[11:50.480 -> 11:56.000] Monza is not an easy circuit. Monza is a fast circuit where you have to brake from incredibly
[11:56.000 -> 12:01.200] high speeds, get the car stopped and get it going again in cars that are clumsy around slow corners
[12:01.200 -> 12:07.320] and have got a hell of a lot of power. So Monza was a really good test of actually how good he was at a proper race circuit,
[12:07.320 -> 12:09.720] but we just need to hurry up and get to a proper race circuit.
[12:09.720 -> 12:12.360] And unfortunately we lost a proper race circuit this weekend.
[12:12.360 -> 12:14.520] Did you just say race at Spain?
[12:14.520 -> 12:15.520] I don't think that works.
[12:15.520 -> 12:19.920] I don't want to be picky, but I don't think you can like race at England.
[12:19.920 -> 12:20.920] You have to be picky.
[12:20.920 -> 12:21.920] I might have said at.
[12:21.920 -> 12:22.920] I think you're racing in Spain.
[12:22.920 -> 12:23.920] I'll tell you what we'll know.
[12:23.920 -> 12:30.800] We'll know when we get a text message tomorrow morning from brad who will go oh you said apt or rather than the
[12:30.800 -> 12:36.480] favorite rather than whom and the favorite part of my monday and we know exactly when brad's
[12:36.480 -> 12:40.240] listening to the show uh catman i'd take more umbrage in the fact that you said that they're
[12:40.240 -> 12:48.960] going to race in spain at the circuit because it never produces a race for me. It's always just a procession in Barcelona. Oh, no chicane. There's no chicane. There's no chicane,
[12:48.960 -> 12:52.480] which is a shame, which is a shame. And I think this will be... No, the chicane not being there
[12:52.480 -> 12:55.760] is not a shame. We know how much you love chicanes. A hairpin being gone is a shame.
[12:55.760 -> 13:01.040] What I mean is it's a shame that a track like that can't deliver a good race. So obviously,
[13:01.040 -> 13:09.200] there's going to be evolution in cars. Cars are going to change and you would kind of accept well Monaco, yeah that was always an outlier anyway, the cars have outgrown
[13:09.200 -> 13:14.720] Monaco, that's a given. Oh they've outgrown Hungaroring now, oh that's a shame because
[13:14.720 -> 13:18.960] Hungaroring's great and then when they start to really outgrow Barcelona as it has done in the
[13:18.960 -> 13:23.760] last 10 years really, then you go oh that is a real pity, now we've got to make a decision.
[13:23.760 -> 13:30.440] We either go all Tilc the drone or change the cars. Last year, Spain was a good race. 21 Spain
[13:30.440 -> 13:36.640] was a good track. I think this even even going back to when Max won his first race there.
[13:36.640 -> 13:40.760] That was a great race. You know, there's there's actually been some really good racing there
[13:40.760 -> 13:46.880] lately. And it's more the past that has shown it up as a bad race. And again,
[13:46.880 -> 13:53.920] Hungaroring is, this is the problem with the ever increasing size of the cars, is it makes all these
[13:53.920 -> 13:59.120] tracks that are classics difficult to race on. And you're right when it comes to the Tilco drones
[13:59.120 -> 14:03.520] are starting to come into their own now. I want to know the overrated and underrated drivers.
[14:03.520 -> 14:05.000] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, we will. Good. Well done, Christian. That's the producer and superstar I want to know the overrated and underrated drivers from Catman.
[14:05.000 -> 14:10.000] Oh yeah, good, well done Christian. That's the producer and superstar DJ in you.
[14:10.000 -> 14:14.000] That topic with the bigger cars does come on later in the mailbag, so don't you worry.
[14:14.000 -> 14:17.000] Catman, who's underrated or overrated?
[14:17.000 -> 14:24.000] I would say both underrated and overrated is Kevin Magnussen, and that's probably why Christian wanted to know my view.
[14:24.000 -> 14:26.400] I didn't know that.
[14:26.400 -> 14:34.000] I think it's probably just because on his day he's phenomenal and when he's not on his day he's absolutely nowhere.
[14:34.000 -> 14:45.760] I can't fathom the guy at all and to be honest he's being handed himself to himself by Nico Hulkenberg this year, to be honest with you.
[14:45.760 -> 14:49.640] And everybody's saying that Hülkenberg is incredibly overrated, so what does that make
[14:49.640 -> 14:50.640] Magnussen?
[14:50.640 -> 14:51.640] I don't know.
[14:51.640 -> 14:56.560] I think with that comment, that basically means Magnussen is overrated.
[14:56.560 -> 15:06.120] And I don't disagree, because when you have spikes of, let's say brilliance for lack of a better word but the majority of
[15:06.120 -> 15:13.200] your racing is just your existing then people only looking at the spikes that's
[15:13.200 -> 15:17.520] what makes you are we really doing this in front of a Dane Christian you're
[15:17.520 -> 15:21.520] gonna you're gonna take that or you're gonna sail slowly over here with some
[15:21.520 -> 15:28.800] time argue against it can you hear me from all the blah blah Spanish I have a lot of blah blah going on in my ears. I hear you, I'm
[15:28.800 -> 15:32.680] with you, Christian. Tell them why they're wrong. Well, I'm not sure I can tell them
[15:32.680 -> 15:37.840] why they're wrong because they are not wrong from a perspective of watching Formula One
[15:37.840 -> 15:46.600] Grand Prix and seeing the actual reality. But I think it has a lot to do with how the car performs from Haas.
[15:46.600 -> 15:49.720] It does not do well in racing distances.
[15:49.720 -> 15:55.680] It just falls off, and it falls off on lap four, five, stuff-ish.
[15:55.680 -> 16:04.320] But still, it's four to one in a teammate comparison.
[16:04.320 -> 16:08.060] I don't think Kevin Magnussen is a bad or overrated driver at
[16:08.060 -> 16:17.460] all. I think he's always performing at 100%. Whatever the car is ready to give, he will
[16:17.460 -> 16:18.460] deliver it.
[16:18.460 -> 16:22.140] So actually, I would argue that sometimes he dances on that line and goes a little bit
[16:22.140 -> 16:26.040] over. Look at the amount of times he's lost a front wing.
[16:26.040 -> 16:29.760] Like he doesn't mind sticking his nose in, does he?
[16:29.760 -> 16:32.000] So sometimes you think, there was good results
[16:32.000 -> 16:34.280] when he was up qualifying like sixth or seventh.
[16:34.280 -> 16:36.640] I'm thinking of a race at Montreal,
[16:36.640 -> 16:38.160] I think maybe last season,
[16:38.160 -> 16:40.760] and he just ends up in a few little collisions and knocks
[16:40.760 -> 16:42.760] that he doesn't need to be in.
[16:42.760 -> 16:45.560] And again, F1 is a political game.
[16:45.560 -> 16:50.640] You get those one or two podiums out of nowhere and suddenly you're Perez.
[16:50.640 -> 16:52.360] Suddenly you're, and that's what Perez did.
[16:52.360 -> 16:57.920] Perez was very kind of low risk, high reward, would bide his time, wait for that day.
[16:57.920 -> 17:01.800] And he had like nine podiums from the midfield and then suddenly gets a top drive and he's
[17:01.800 -> 17:04.560] definitely going to win the championship this year.
[17:04.560 -> 17:05.880] So is Magnussen just slightly
[17:05.880 -> 17:08.180] the wrong side of that, Christian?
[17:08.180 -> 17:09.480] I'm just gonna put it like this.
[17:09.480 -> 17:13.160] I would rather be Magnussen and putting my front wing
[17:13.160 -> 17:15.160] where maybe there isn't room
[17:15.160 -> 17:17.600] than never putting my front wing there.
[17:17.600 -> 17:18.440] And that's-
[17:18.440 -> 17:19.880] If you no longer go for a gap that exists,
[17:19.880 -> 17:21.320] you're no longer a racing driver.
[17:21.320 -> 17:23.160] Oh, quit that garbage quote.
[17:23.160 -> 17:25.360] That BS strapline that we always debunk.
[17:25.360 -> 17:29.440] I didn't use the quote. I made my own quote. That's what you mean though Christian. Christian
[17:29.440 -> 17:35.680] Peterson 2023. And I will say I agree because I think like we all want to be you know that that's
[17:35.680 -> 17:41.680] a much more sexy way to go driving and actually as a Perez fan one of my big criticisms of him
[17:41.680 -> 17:45.800] is that he's not aggressive enough on on lap one and he loses out like lap
[17:45.800 -> 17:51.240] one, lap two. I don't think it is just off the line. I think he makes decisions to survive
[17:51.240 -> 17:56.920] and I criticise that but it's got him to where he is. I don't know, Catman, the thing with
[17:56.920 -> 18:01.520] Magnussen, I don't know, this wasn't meant to be a whole Magnussen thing but I think
[18:01.520 -> 18:04.680] we can agree there it's an untapped potential.
[18:04.680 -> 18:05.000] Yeah, the problem is he's had his chances obviously. He was at McLaren, I know they but I think we can agree there, it's an untapped potential.
[18:05.280 -> 18:07.240] Yeah, the problem is he's had his chances,
[18:07.240 -> 18:08.760] obviously he was at McLaren,
[18:08.760 -> 18:10.440] I know they were on a downturn at the time
[18:10.440 -> 18:13.320] and he's alongside Jensen, but it's interesting,
[18:13.320 -> 18:16.360] Haas have got two drivers that are almost exactly the same,
[18:16.360 -> 18:18.840] they've both got a single pole position
[18:18.840 -> 18:20.880] at Interlagos in random conditions
[18:20.880 -> 18:22.560] and then they fell off from there.
[18:22.560 -> 18:24.040] Yeah, both Hulkenberg and Magnussen
[18:24.040 -> 18:24.880] did exactly the same thing.
[18:24.880 -> 18:28.960] Hulken his first season in the Williams. Force India.
[18:28.960 -> 18:32.880] No no that poll was the Force India in Telargos and didn't he wipe out
[18:32.880 -> 18:39.240] Hamilton was that 2012? Yes he did yeah. Yeah because. No no no Hulke got one in his
[18:39.240 -> 18:43.240] first season. Did he? So he's got two podiums. In the Williams. Quizmaster. His first season in the
[18:43.240 -> 18:45.500] Williams he got a poll at Brazil. 100%.
[18:45.500 -> 18:47.500] Oh wow. There you go.
[18:47.500 -> 18:53.000] I mean I've said this before and been proved wrong but I have this memory of a WEC qualifying
[18:53.000 -> 18:58.000] in whatever year he started in a Williams going on pole and everyone being flabbergasted by it.
[18:58.000 -> 19:00.000] He then got pole again in the Thorce India.
[19:00.000 -> 19:03.000] Very sorry. Wikipedia has come to my rescue.
[19:03.000 -> 19:05.120] Sailed in. He has only got the one
[19:05.120 -> 19:06.560] pole and that is at Interlagos.
[19:07.200 -> 19:09.120] Oh, what year? 2012.
[19:09.680 -> 19:09.920] Yeah.
[19:09.920 -> 19:14.080] Yeah, because that was like Hamilton was like his engine kept blowing up, he got fed up,
[19:14.080 -> 19:20.000] he'd walked out of the car like from Singapore straight into the Mercedes HR office to sign
[19:20.000 -> 19:25.120] the contract and then as a final like passing insult to show the season that could have been
[19:25.120 -> 19:29.920] he got taken out by Nico Hülkenberg in turn one in the middle of the race in a completely innocuous
[19:30.640 -> 19:35.920] overtaking attempt. Are you good with that? No I remember that but who got a pole in Williams
[19:35.920 -> 19:41.360] at Brazil then? Well that's gonna annoy me. Slack will save me. Before this turns into middle-aged
[19:41.360 -> 19:47.600] men googling things I want to go on to Alex. Catman, we can tell you're not looking at the camera. Stop Googling.
[19:47.600 -> 19:50.400] Yeah, even though he's on mute, you can hear the sound of him desperately typing.
[19:50.400 -> 19:53.200] So, Alex, who's overrated or underrated for you?
[19:53.200 -> 19:54.000] Max Verstappen, no.
[19:54.000 -> 19:54.500] No!
[19:56.800 -> 20:00.800] Could you imagine if I decided to go into a rant? Well, to be fair...
[20:00.800 -> 20:01.600] Oh, here we go.
[20:01.600 -> 20:07.560] I'm gonna go... I might burn the internet down with this one, but I do think Fernando Alonso
[20:07.560 -> 20:13.280] is massively overrated. How dare you? How dare you? No, later. So, listen. Yeah, we're
[20:13.280 -> 20:19.300] all off. This is the Van Geen podcast. So listen, I believe Fernando Alonso is a fantastic
[20:19.300 -> 20:28.480] racing driver. However, I don't believe that Fernando Alonso is as amazing as he thinks he is.
[20:28.480 -> 20:36.800] That's why I again believe that he is overrated because he has inflated himself above everybody
[20:36.800 -> 20:42.000] else what they genuinely believe of him and he's gaslit everybody into believing he is
[20:42.000 -> 20:43.160] this great.
[20:43.160 -> 20:45.000] But if he was this great,
[20:45.000 -> 20:47.400] he could have won more championships.
[20:47.400 -> 20:49.800] He could have put himself in better positions.
[20:49.800 -> 20:51.960] He could have done things more clever,
[20:51.960 -> 20:55.320] but he positions himself with teammates
[20:55.320 -> 20:57.360] that are nowhere near as good
[20:57.360 -> 20:59.800] and then praises them to high heaven.
[20:59.800 -> 21:03.840] And for me, that just means he completely over inflates
[21:03.840 -> 21:05.600] actually how good he is. This isn't me saying he isn't good, but he's over-inflates actually how good he is.
[21:05.600 -> 21:09.560] This isn't me saying he isn't good, but he's not quite as good as he says he is.
[21:09.560 -> 21:12.080] Catman, do you owe Banjean an apology?
[21:12.080 -> 21:13.080] Yes, I do.
[21:13.080 -> 21:14.080] Get in!
[21:14.080 -> 21:15.080] I got something right!
[21:15.080 -> 21:16.080] I'm sorry, Alex.
[21:16.080 -> 21:17.080] Yeah, you were right.
[21:17.080 -> 21:25.360] So it was in Williams, he was on poll, but both were correct in theory, except he didn't get the poll for force ending, the poll for Williams. You were right. So it was in Williams, he was on pole, but he both were correct in theory,
[21:25.360 -> 21:28.560] except he didn't get the pole for force India, the pole for Williams, you were correct.
[21:28.560 -> 21:30.480] Oh, was he not on pole with the force India?
[21:30.480 -> 21:30.720] No.
[21:30.720 -> 21:31.840] Was he from Roland?
[21:31.840 -> 21:34.880] Yeah, that he started sixth, but then made his way up to first.
[21:34.880 -> 21:35.920] Ah, okay.
[21:35.920 -> 21:36.000] Apologies.
[21:36.000 -> 21:41.120] He was mega in that race until the point he wiped out Lewis in his last blipping race from Aquarium.
[21:41.120 -> 21:48.560] Okay, can I just, okay, so the question here is, is Fernando Alonso overrated by people?
[21:48.560 -> 21:52.880] Like okay, so if I was to say he's one of the all-time greats of Formula One, I would
[21:52.880 -> 21:58.880] be absolutely correct, because he absolutely is one of the all-time greats of Formula One.
[21:58.880 -> 22:02.680] Now, people will look at the stats and say Schumacher, seven, right?
[22:02.680 -> 22:05.560] But five of them were lumped in one go. People
[22:05.560 -> 22:09.560] will say Lewis Hamilton 7. And I think Lewis Hamilton's brilliant, statistically the best
[22:09.560 -> 22:13.700] driver of all time, maybe the best driver of all time. But again, a lot of that lumped
[22:13.700 -> 22:19.100] into one dominant period where he had to sort of slightly batter off Bottas and feather
[22:19.100 -> 22:25.960] away a spinning Vettel. So like to me, it's meaningless this, oh it's seven, oh it's eight, as it
[22:25.960 -> 22:31.560] should have been. But Alonso took his chance for his championship and he's won it and he's
[22:31.560 -> 22:36.520] proved against teammates that he is, he's up, he's right up there with the very best
[22:36.520 -> 22:42.000] drivers. I don't see any sense in anything other than looking back, Catman, and going
[22:42.000 -> 22:49.800] Fernando Alonso is an all-time great in Formula One. He is one of the greatest Formula One drivers ever. So how can he possibly be overrated?
[22:49.800 -> 22:54.600] Like, what would you have to say? You would have to say that he was a god walking amongst
[22:54.600 -> 22:59.320] men and even then, I'm not sure that would be an exaggeration. Oh, here goes. Go on,
[22:59.320 -> 23:00.320] Alex, you can answer that.
[23:00.320 -> 23:05.680] My point is, my point, I'm not denying that Alonso is great and probably one of the
[23:05.680 -> 23:12.040] greats, but the height that people actually put him at, yeah, is higher than the level
[23:12.040 -> 23:20.360] than he is. I'm doing, you know, and, you know, he's had one decent teammate in his
[23:20.360 -> 23:26.080] own in his whole career. And that teammate was a rookie and beat him
[23:27.040 -> 23:31.120] name another decent teammate he's had. Button. Name another decent teammate he's had. Ocon.
[23:31.840 -> 23:37.440] Sorry sorry name a decent teammate he's had. Uh Nelson Piquet jr who was his teammate at Minardi.
[23:37.440 -> 23:41.920] I don't know I'm out of teammates. So that kind of says it all you know you want to talk about Ocon.
[23:41.920 -> 23:49.000] I think it was Baumgardner. Oh there you go. If you want to if You want to talk about Ocon? I think it was Baumgardner. Oh, there you go. If you want to talk about Ocon, if Matt was here, Ocon beat him.
[23:49.000 -> 23:51.000] You can point to all the circumstances you want.
[23:51.000 -> 23:56.000] Ocon still was never completely outclassed by Fernando Alonso.
[23:56.000 -> 23:59.000] So that's why I just think he is put higher.
[23:59.000 -> 24:05.920] I'm not, you know, listen, I will never not have an opportunity to crap on Fernando Alonso because
[24:05.920 -> 24:14.320] it's a pastime of mine. But he is not quite as high as he and some of his cult think he
[24:14.320 -> 24:15.320] is.
[24:15.320 -> 24:17.840] Wow. If Van Geendt's wrong about that, what else is he wrong about, Catman?
[24:17.840 -> 24:23.880] Yeah, he is wrong about that. Because you just look at the championships that he nearly
[24:23.880 -> 24:25.520] won in cars that were nowhere
[24:25.520 -> 24:30.640] near as good as say Vettel's Red Bull, for example. Then obviously you're going to say
[24:30.640 -> 24:36.320] when he goes to the other series and jumps in other cars and wins, whatever he turns his hand
[24:36.320 -> 24:40.880] to, he's always at the top of the class. I do think he's a driving genius.
[24:42.000 -> 24:48.000] I can't remember if we're going to take the question about the Le Mans, but if we're not
[24:48.000 -> 24:52.840] taking the question about the Le Mans, I would just add that my question to two drivers to
[24:52.840 -> 24:56.400] a Le Mans team would be Alonso and Magnussen.
[24:56.400 -> 24:57.400] So there goes...
[24:57.400 -> 24:58.400] So it was...
[24:58.400 -> 24:59.400] I just ruined it.
[24:59.400 -> 25:00.400] Let's go to that.
[25:00.400 -> 25:04.040] Stuart Neil had asked, if you were a team manager for a Le Mans and create a team from
[25:04.040 -> 25:07.960] F1 drivers that you would pick to create a super lineup, who would it be?
[25:07.960 -> 25:08.960] And I think that's fair.
[25:08.960 -> 25:12.360] So Alonso, is Hulkenberg in with the shout?
[25:12.360 -> 25:14.360] No, let me just...
[25:14.360 -> 25:17.360] Can I just explain Alonso?
[25:17.360 -> 25:19.560] Because I totally get what everyone is saying.
[25:19.560 -> 25:24.520] And I have been like one of the biggest haters on Alonso on this podcast, because I don't
[25:24.520 -> 25:26.460] like the way he go about it.
[25:26.460 -> 25:30.800] But imagine a team where you have two drivers who have to work together to bring a car home
[25:30.800 -> 25:34.440] or three drivers, whatever, to bring a car home after 24 hours.
[25:34.440 -> 25:40.400] I could not think of anyone I would rather have out there than someone like Alonso or
[25:40.400 -> 25:43.360] someone like Magnussen.
[25:43.360 -> 25:48.000] They would become one with the car and they would deliver it back in position one.
[25:48.000 -> 25:51.520] K-Mag would become one with other cars in a 24-hour race.
[25:51.520 -> 25:59.320] I can't think of anything else other than a menace on a 24-hour race in a faster car.
[25:59.320 -> 26:06.300] I think you should just watch Kevin's dad and go watch some of his GT racing career because he probably
[26:06.300 -> 26:10.260] is like the prime, he's like the Alonso of the GT world, I think.
[26:10.260 -> 26:12.460] Yeah, Daddy Magnussen was amazing.
[26:12.460 -> 26:17.700] But this just reminds me of when the Mansells went racing at Le Mans, where Nigel took his
[26:17.700 -> 26:22.500] two boys racing in one car and I think he binned it on lap two and then that was it.
[26:22.500 -> 26:23.500] They were out.
[26:23.500 -> 26:26.040] That was done.
[26:31.000 -> 26:32.200] Can I mention someone from the chat who's actually made a really good note for someone who's overrated?
[26:33.560 -> 26:33.920] Who was it?
[26:33.920 -> 26:34.840] Connor Chanley.
[26:35.960 -> 26:36.920] Pierre Gasly.
[26:37.360 -> 26:39.520] Oh, so who made that comment?
[26:40.520 -> 26:42.120] Connor Chanley.
[26:42.120 -> 26:45.360] He says, before I say that, before i say that i think gasly is overrated
[26:45.360 -> 26:51.200] how big a fan of him is everyone here quite i'm not that big a fan of him so i'm quite happy to
[26:51.200 -> 26:57.840] agree with that i am i i think he's like he's like one of the just one of the coolest f1 drivers
[26:57.840 -> 27:04.000] and like just from a like um almost from like a netflix perspective you know not pure racing i
[27:04.000 -> 27:07.800] just think like he embodies this kind of olden days image
[27:07.800 -> 27:09.760] of what an F1 driver should be.
[27:09.760 -> 27:11.960] He's got the swagger, he's got confidence,
[27:11.960 -> 27:15.460] he's got aggression, and when he's on track,
[27:15.460 -> 27:18.060] you can feel his presence in the car
[27:18.060 -> 27:19.480] when you're watching him on track.
[27:19.480 -> 27:22.480] He's one of those drivers, and I don't know
[27:22.480 -> 27:24.120] whether I could actually technically do this,
[27:24.120 -> 27:28.200] I'm not gonna argue in a ditch ditch if you painted all the cars white and had a white
[27:28.200 -> 27:33.440] helmet and and suit I think I could pick out Pierre Gasly. That's just because you fancy him
[27:33.440 -> 27:37.960] because he's pretty. You don't know that for sure stop leaking our whatsapps but
[27:37.960 -> 27:42.560] yes he's also very pretty very charismatic and I honestly yeah I think
[27:42.560 -> 27:47.440] there's not a lot to not like about him. He's polite and I would imagine rarely late.
[27:48.080 -> 27:50.720] You could pick him out because he'd be the one who'd be buried in a wall.
[27:54.400 -> 27:58.720] I think a driver like Pierre Gasly is the perfect example of why it's so difficult
[27:59.440 -> 28:06.300] judging the drivers in the midfield because each track has a different characteristic for the tires.
[28:06.300 -> 28:07.820] Did someone say tires?
[28:07.820 -> 28:13.660] A single set of Formula 1 tires cost around $2,700.
[28:13.660 -> 28:15.660] I will go on.
[28:15.660 -> 28:19.700] I think it's very difficult to, I'm sorry, Spanners, I'm just taking all the show.
[28:19.700 -> 28:26.340] I think it's very difficult to judge the mid drivers because at each track, the track is sort of driving
[28:26.340 -> 28:31.320] them, the tires are sort of driving them. So sometimes one year, Pierre Gasly can shine
[28:31.320 -> 28:35.800] in his team and the next year he has to learn some tires and you sort of like don't watch
[28:35.800 -> 28:40.920] him. The same for Kevin Magnussen and Hulkenberg. It makes it so difficult for us from the outside
[28:40.920 -> 28:46.320] to really judge how talented they are. But as we talked about overrated,
[28:46.320 -> 28:53.040] underrated, there's no one in the current Formula One field that is not supposed to be there.
[28:53.040 -> 28:58.080] Okay. So the most, I think, no, not this is an exaggeration, but the most surprising amount
[28:58.080 -> 29:03.200] of hate mail I've ever had on this show was for Catman. I couldn't believe it. Catman.
[29:03.200 -> 29:05.600] What did he do? What he said the Williams was the best looking car?
[29:05.600 -> 29:12.400] No, he said Gasly was overrated and he didn't get the hype and Ellen yelled at him for about
[29:12.400 -> 29:17.440] ten minutes and then the internet joined in. So you agree, Catman, don't you, that he's
[29:17.440 -> 29:18.440] overrated?
[29:18.440 -> 29:25.520] Yeah, absolutely. I don't get the Gasly hype at all. He's been crashy's been crashy. He's inconsistent. Yeah. He's had some
[29:25.520 -> 29:29.600] sparks of brilliance, like at Monza, for example. I wasn't a spark of brilliance. I was a spark of
[29:29.600 -> 29:36.400] luck. Let the gentleman talk, Alex. My goodness. No, absolutely. This is it. The thing is it,
[29:36.400 -> 29:40.000] these high points, like we were talking about with Hulkenberg to Magnussen,
[29:40.560 -> 29:47.040] is don't make a driver. He's a very high class midfield driver. And that is the comment
[29:47.040 -> 29:49.840] that got me broken last time.
[29:49.840 -> 29:55.040] Okay. But there's a lot of drivers that fall into that category. And I don't think it's
[29:55.040 -> 29:59.600] shameful where you become the kind of driver. Yeah, you don't get that drive for a top team,
[29:59.600 -> 30:03.920] but midfield teams keep trusting you to go and do a job for them. And I don't think there's
[30:03.920 -> 30:10.400] any disgrace in that. Like there's six or seven teams that would die to have Hulkenberg, Kevin Magnussen, Romain
[30:10.400 -> 30:16.440] Grosjean for all his faults, and then Sergio Perez kind of fell into that. If you can be
[30:16.440 -> 30:21.960] one of those utility drivers where you know a team can trust you and pay you several million
[30:21.960 -> 30:25.120] a year, that is an achievement within Formula One itself. I don't
[30:25.120 -> 30:30.560] think there's any disgrace in that. And Gasly's probably at the top end of that. So of those
[30:30.560 -> 30:35.840] drivers we've just mentioned, if Gasly gets a chance at Ferrari or Mercedes, I would expect
[30:35.840 -> 30:40.960] them to take it and do well. Yeah, we're talking fractions of a percentage here, you know, we're
[30:40.960 -> 30:46.000] treating like they're heroes and zeros, but they are all absolutely amazing drivers.
[30:46.000 -> 30:48.700] It's just there's some that are slightly more amazing
[30:48.700 -> 30:49.600] than others.
[30:49.600 -> 30:52.920] If you're talking about drivers outside the top three teams,
[30:52.920 -> 30:57.940] I'd rather have Norris, I'd rather have Ocon,
[30:57.940 -> 31:02.080] I'd rather have Alonso, I'd rather have, um,
[31:02.080 -> 31:09.200] I put, I actually put put i said three teams and i include and i i say top three teams as
[31:09.200 -> 31:17.600] mercedes red bull and ferrari um i mean i don't know who would have to be already taken for me to
[31:17.600 -> 31:28.360] take gasly because he just seems to cause a bit of carnage wherever he goes. He seems like a lovely guy, I really like him as a personality in the paddock,
[31:28.360 -> 31:29.840] and he is a fast driver.
[31:29.840 -> 31:32.000] Just say he's pretty, come on, admit it, you think so too.
[31:32.000 -> 31:33.120] He is pretty!
[31:33.120 -> 31:36.200] Him and Leclerc are two of the most beautiful men on the planet!
[31:36.200 -> 31:38.760] Leclerc's, you know that opening theme intro thing,
[31:38.760 -> 31:41.640] where Leclerc's looking to the side and then he looks up at the camera?
[31:41.640 -> 31:43.640] That should be illegal. That was...
[31:43.640 -> 31:44.640] Ha ha ha!
[31:44.640 -> 31:47.000] What, unlike George's one?
[31:47.000 -> 31:49.000] That was somehow less glamorous.
[31:49.000 -> 31:51.000] OK, I've got an overrated driver,
[31:51.000 -> 31:53.000] and I don't think this is going to be very popular.
[31:53.000 -> 31:55.000] My overrated driver is Alex Albon.
[31:55.000 -> 31:59.000] So I think people think a lot more of Alex Albon
[31:59.000 -> 32:01.000] than has been demonstrated to be true,
[32:01.000 -> 32:04.000] and I think there's some circumstances around that.
[32:04.000 -> 32:09.720] So just as he was getting going, he gets the chance to go up against Max Verstappen. It doesn't go
[32:09.720 -> 32:14.280] well. So in his defense, that's Max Verstappen, and also Gasly didn't do well, and then also
[32:14.280 -> 32:17.880] Perez looked bad for a couple of seasons as well. So there's that, then he had a year
[32:17.880 -> 32:23.260] out, then he comes to Williams, and he's up against, you know, rookies and people who
[32:23.260 -> 32:26.760] he should definitely be beating in that kind of range.
[32:26.760 -> 32:30.960] And that probably won't change at Williams because it is probably going to be a buy-in
[32:30.960 -> 32:37.520] seat, that second seat. So I think Albon is being flattered at the moment and I just don't
[32:37.520 -> 32:41.560] think we have the evidence to back up the assumption that a lot of people have that
[32:41.560 -> 32:44.000] he's a top, top driver. Christopher Capmantana.
[32:44.000 -> 32:49.760] I totally agree. His stint at Red Bull didn't do him any favours at all. He showed he wasn't
[32:49.760 -> 32:54.400] aggressive enough. And then when he was fighting against Lewis, he was constantly clattering into
[32:54.400 -> 32:58.960] him as well. I don't think it was very good. Although I don't know if I'm one to judge,
[32:58.960 -> 33:02.800] because I just tried to emulate George's pose and I've just given myself a massive cramp.
[33:04.480 -> 33:08.320] Hey, as always, I always say, look, we're in a shed here where we're always going to
[33:08.320 -> 33:13.920] pass judgment on objectively better human beings than we are.
[33:13.920 -> 33:17.320] But also during that phase at Red Bull, it wasn't just the out and out aggression or
[33:17.320 -> 33:18.800] race craft that was letting him down.
[33:18.800 -> 33:21.080] Yes, he kept having those clashes with Hamilton.
[33:21.080 -> 33:25.360] And as much as everyone blamed Hamilton for that Interlagos cutback, that was
[33:25.360 -> 33:29.360] that was crazy! He went all the way around the outside, invited Hamilton to come up the inside
[33:29.360 -> 33:33.680] and then drove to the apex as if he wasn't there. I'm not having... I'm not getting gas lit again,
[33:33.680 -> 33:39.120] that was Albon's fault all day long. But also like he would complain that the Toro Rosso,
[33:39.120 -> 33:45.680] the AlphaTauri now drivers, they fight me so hard. Yeah there are other cars on the racetrack and I just
[33:45.680 -> 33:52.880] feel like he maybe hyped himself up too much by the time he got to Red Bull. Sorry, Christian
[33:52.880 -> 33:53.880] and then Alex.
[33:53.880 -> 33:56.480] Albon is one of my favorite drivers.
[33:56.480 -> 33:57.480] Oh no, I didn't know that.
[33:57.480 -> 34:01.280] So I'm going to begin this trade of words coming your way.
[34:01.280 -> 34:02.280] Vamos.
[34:02.280 -> 34:08.200] No, I'm just going to make it short. I totally agree with the Brazil incident with Hamilton, but it was a shame because that
[34:08.200 -> 34:11.840] was his only podium that could have changed everything actually.
[34:11.840 -> 34:14.720] But what I'm going to make is this point.
[34:14.720 -> 34:19.520] The one beating the Russells, the Verstappen, the Leclerc and all of them in the carding
[34:19.520 -> 34:22.680] days was the Alex Albon.
[34:22.680 -> 34:26.720] And you don't do that if you don't have it, if you know what I mean.
[34:26.720 -> 34:32.080] And I can see it in him sometimes just I mean, such an is a lot quicker than people think.
[34:32.080 -> 34:39.440] And Albon is way ahead. So I'm betting my money on Alex and you can say what you want. And I'm
[34:39.440 -> 34:41.360] turning off my I'm taking off my phone.
[34:43.760 -> 34:46.000] To be fair, I give Albon a little bit of defence.
[34:46.000 -> 34:52.000] I think it was really, really harsh to judge him on his Red Bull appearance
[34:52.000 -> 34:59.000] because it was his first season in the sport, he'd done half a year in the Toro Rosso at the time,
[34:59.000 -> 35:01.000] I can't remember when they changed the name over,
[35:01.000 -> 35:12.240] and then got thrown in to the seat against one of the best talents the sport's ever seen and lo and behold he failed um and then was booted down the card then had a year out and has now come
[35:12.240 -> 35:19.440] back and he's been good since he came back um i think he is is is exactly rated as people think
[35:19.440 -> 35:26.000] he is i think he is a i think he is a good midfield driver. I'd probably have him over Gasly.
[35:26.000 -> 35:28.000] Oh no way! Oh my goodness!
[35:28.000 -> 35:30.000] Right, you're starting an F1 team.
[35:30.000 -> 35:31.000] Me too.
[35:31.000 -> 35:32.000] Oh my god!
[35:32.000 -> 35:36.000] You've got your pick of all these midfield drivers that we've been talking about
[35:36.000 -> 35:39.000] and you are going to pick Alex Albon over Pierre Gasly.
[35:39.000 -> 35:40.000] You are all smoking crack.
[35:40.000 -> 35:42.000] Is that all three of you?
[35:42.000 -> 35:47.280] Tell me anything decent that Gasly's done this season. He crashed
[35:47.280 -> 35:51.280] into his teammate. Oh, hang on, that's not good. He kept on crashing. Oh, hang on, that's not good
[35:51.280 -> 35:56.480] either. That was good because it made Trumpet sad. And I was laughing when that happened. And
[35:56.480 -> 36:00.800] once I knew they were okay, I was laughing, just thinking about how Matt was going to feel about
[36:00.800 -> 36:05.280] that. So that is a positive for me. Hey, we've spent 35 minutes on one question.
[36:05.280 -> 36:08.600] So that is an absolutely fantastic job there
[36:08.600 -> 36:10.120] by who asked that question.
[36:10.120 -> 36:11.760] I don't want to misrepresent it.
[36:11.760 -> 36:12.520] Jared, thanks.
[36:12.520 -> 36:14.440] You basically just wrote that show for me.
[36:21.000 -> 36:23.920] Christian, random tire facts, go.
[36:23.920 -> 36:26.480] Oh, I have some scrolling in my...
[36:26.480 -> 36:31.120] Okay, some spell tyre with an I, others spell it with a Y.
[36:31.120 -> 36:33.760] None of them are true because they're spelled with a T.
[36:33.760 -> 36:35.120] I made that one up myself.
[36:35.120 -> 36:36.960] Okay, that segment is a waste of time.
[36:36.960 -> 36:38.960] Right, no one else write tyre in the chat.
[36:38.960 -> 36:39.960] Yeah, that's it.
[36:39.960 -> 36:42.960] I have more, I have three more.
[36:42.960 -> 36:46.280] Yep, and that is, that's something that I've got to deal with.
[36:46.280 -> 36:48.480] That's a problem, that's a me problem at this point.
[36:48.480 -> 36:49.840] He's getting in the groove now.
[36:49.840 -> 36:53.640] Honestly, just look, I love my panel, I love having a rotating panel.
[36:53.640 -> 36:54.640] The groove?
[36:54.640 -> 36:55.680] No one got the groove but me, Catman.
[36:55.680 -> 37:00.960] I love having a rotating panel, but when I see Vanjie and Christian on the same team sheet,
[37:00.960 -> 37:03.240] I think, oh, shall I just, shall I change that?
[37:03.240 -> 37:04.920] No, I'm going to trust them.
[37:04.920 -> 37:09.800] What a fool. Who are you going to have, me and Christian or me and Brad what a fool I am I don't depends
[37:09.800 -> 37:12.920] whether I want lots of emails or not doesn't it that one that particular one
[37:12.920 -> 37:18.540] love Brad love you Brad Weitzer van Broeken says I watched the 2005 Imola
[37:18.540 -> 37:23.320] race replay and I thought it was an interesting race back in the day so when
[37:23.320 -> 37:29.120] he was watching it back in there he thought it was an interesting race back in the day. So when he was watching it back in day, he thought it was an interesting race and still great to watch now. Would an audience that started
[37:29.120 -> 37:35.760] watching F1 like that in the past five years consider Imola 2005 to be a great race? Would
[37:35.760 -> 37:41.920] it even be considered a great race if a race would pan out similarly like Imola 2005 would in the
[37:41.920 -> 37:46.160] current season? Now that is a fascinating question because yeah at the time
[37:46.880 -> 37:52.160] I think as Formula One fans and we were all watching at that time here on the panel, I think
[37:52.160 -> 37:58.240] we all felt at the time that that was a great era of Formula One. I was a little bit upset about
[37:59.120 -> 38:04.480] Schumacher just like ruining Formula One and winning too much but apart because we were having
[38:04.480 -> 38:09.920] to suffer Germany beating us at football quite regularly as well at the time. So yeah that was all a bit
[38:09.920 -> 38:15.760] upsetting. This was the season though that Fernando Alonso was really sort of coming to the forefront
[38:16.320 -> 38:21.440] with Renault and they were really bringing it and this was an era of refueling, this was an era of
[38:21.440 -> 38:26.480] grooved tyres. But I watched the replay, or the highlights,
[38:26.480 -> 38:30.680] like the 15 minute highlights of it. It would have been interesting if I'd had time in response
[38:30.680 -> 38:36.880] to this question to sit and watch a full live replay of it, but there was a lot of problems
[38:36.880 -> 38:42.000] that we complain about now, yet it was considered a great race. So the first thing that I noticed
[38:42.000 -> 38:53.040] straight away was the cars looked absolutely minuscule compared to today. So Imola looked like quite a wide racetrack, yet still it was very
[38:53.040 -> 38:58.640] difficult to overtake. Still there was field spread, the field spread looked, you know,
[38:58.640 -> 39:04.000] there wasn't one team and one car off 30 seconds ahead, but they were spaced out and the track
[39:04.000 -> 39:05.040] spaced those cars out,
[39:05.040 -> 39:09.840] so it wasn't like those cars had this magic ability to be, you know, 20 of them all in a big
[39:09.840 -> 39:16.480] pack. Plus we had refueling, so a lot of the passes that were there were just due to one team being on
[39:16.480 -> 39:21.360] a different fuel strategy, and so you did see some passes early on, but when you got to the end and
[39:21.360 -> 39:28.920] the strategies converged, yeah, one car was able to hold off another. So Schumacher was able to just hold off Fernando.
[39:28.920 -> 39:33.360] Sorry, Fernando Alonso was able to hold off Schumacher, not by doing any crazy defending,
[39:33.360 -> 39:37.440] but just by kind of going about his business, taking the correct,
[39:38.120 -> 39:44.080] the correct lines and just making sure to place the car. I don't think he even had to make a defensive move.
[39:44.480 -> 39:49.760] Yet they were calling it on the commentary. Oh, what a great defensive drive from Fernando Alonso.
[39:49.760 -> 39:54.880] So I honestly think, Catman, in response to Weitz's question there, is that I don't think
[39:54.880 -> 40:00.160] that would cut it anymore. That classic Grand Prix wouldn't cut it in 2023.
[40:00.160 -> 40:06.500] Oh, I totally disagree. I think one thing was Fernando was subtly defending.
[40:06.500 -> 40:09.500] It wasn't, you know, just nailing it to the inside and slowing
[40:09.500 -> 40:10.300] yourself right up.
[40:10.300 -> 40:14.500] It was just marginal changes to his lines that made it such
[40:14.500 -> 40:15.500] a masterful drive.
[40:15.500 -> 40:18.700] And actually, when I was watching it all over and I got that
[40:18.700 -> 40:22.400] smile back on my face, because if there was DRS, Schumacher
[40:22.400 -> 40:24.300] would have been straight past and that would have been the
[40:24.300 -> 40:30.080] end of that. Whereas we got to watch a good few laps of one of the absolute masters in the sport.
[40:30.080 -> 40:35.200] You could just watch him dancing his car and those cars danced because they were light and they
[40:35.200 -> 40:40.720] clattered those curves and you could just see him just playing with the slide. It was a beautiful
[40:40.720 -> 40:50.320] thing to see. And why did they slide, Catman? Why did they slide? Because of the groove tyres. Because of the groove tyres! I love them, I love them, bring them back. Yeah, but it was
[40:50.320 -> 40:55.440] beautiful and there was good defending, there was good attacking, but this is the thing that you
[40:55.440 -> 41:02.160] don't need overtakes for it to be exciting. This is what I think sometimes Liberty and the current
[41:02.160 -> 41:09.200] Formula One management, not necessarily the new fans, because I think that given a race like that, the fans would look at.
[41:09.200 -> 41:15.800] But I think it all comes down to how well the commentary team and the media around that
[41:15.800 -> 41:17.920] sort of race are portraying it.
[41:17.920 -> 41:20.280] If they're saying it's boring, it's boring.
[41:20.280 -> 41:31.360] If they're saying it's exciting and they're describing with the sort of passion that hopefully I can show it, demonstrating here that, you know, they can, they've got this so beautiful.
[41:31.360 -> 41:35.520] Well, I know, Cameron, you're absolutely right, because I don't want to, I never want to call
[41:35.520 -> 41:40.800] out like professional broadcasters, particularly ones that I think do a brilliant job. So like
[41:40.800 -> 41:45.000] with Love, like I really, I actually really like the Sky broadcast team, right?
[41:45.000 -> 41:49.800] So this is, David Croft is, I think, hands down one of the greatest commentators ever
[41:49.800 -> 41:50.800] in motorsport.
[41:50.800 -> 41:53.200] He is technically so, so good.
[41:53.200 -> 41:54.660] Recreate what he does.
[41:54.660 -> 41:57.360] You will trip and fall trying to do what he does.
[41:57.360 -> 41:58.360] Ably helped.
[41:58.360 -> 41:59.960] He gets far too much hate.
[41:59.960 -> 42:01.960] Far too much, far too much.
[42:01.960 -> 42:02.960] Unnecessary hate.
[42:02.960 -> 42:03.960] I think Croft is amazing.
[42:03.960 -> 42:05.560] I know, but I'm about to, like, hate on it, on something that they did. So, but no, I think Crofty's amazing. I know, but I'm about to like hate on it,
[42:05.560 -> 42:07.240] on something that they did.
[42:07.240 -> 42:08.840] So, but no, I want to prefix with that,
[42:08.840 -> 42:11.560] with I genuinely love him, I think he's absolutely brilliant.
[42:11.560 -> 42:15.040] My wife had a haircut once with his partner,
[42:15.040 -> 42:17.600] and I found out that we lived in the same town,
[42:17.600 -> 42:18.440] and I spent loads of time going,
[42:18.440 -> 42:20.600] oh, what if I had something prepared
[42:20.600 -> 42:23.960] if I ever bumped into Crofty at the co-op or the pub?
[42:23.960 -> 42:30.240] It never happened, never happened. What did you prepare? Oh, I was, you know, just like, oh, I was
[42:30.240 -> 42:33.260] gonna play it cool, like pretend I didn't know what he was, but then
[42:33.260 -> 42:36.280] recognize him halfway through the conversation, maybe after I'd already
[42:36.280 -> 42:41.160] mentioned my Formula One podcast. And Crofty's coming down aisle three and he's
[42:41.160 -> 42:47.600] picked up the peas and here he comes! If I'd seen him him in the supermarket I would have taken my racing lines in my trolley
[42:47.600 -> 42:51.360] better than I normally do. We all do that right? We all do do that.
[42:51.360 -> 42:51.760] Okay.
[42:51.760 -> 42:52.800] Who wouldn't? Why wouldn't you?
[42:52.800 -> 42:59.200] And obviously on the Sky Team he's normally fronted, sorry accompanied by Martin Brundle
[42:59.200 -> 43:05.160] who is an absolute legend who saved Formula One for me when Murray Walker was starting to do my
[43:05.160 -> 43:09.720] head in a little bit by just getting actual facts wrong. The excitement was always there,
[43:09.720 -> 43:13.880] but the facts not so much. Martin Brundle, like for me, I was like, oh, thank goodness
[43:13.880 -> 43:18.200] I can have the excitement and now I actually know what's going on as well. On this particular
[43:18.200 -> 43:24.280] occasion, I think it was the Baku Grand Prix. It was Karun Chandhok, also fantastic, alongside
[43:24.280 -> 43:25.000] David Croft.
[43:25.000 -> 43:29.000] But they felt like they had to apologise for how bad the race was.
[43:29.000 -> 43:32.000] Instead of just highlighting the bits that were good and bigging it up,
[43:32.000 -> 43:36.000] they were kind of like, oh no, I can feel, and this is a social media thing,
[43:36.000 -> 43:39.000] they could feel the emails coming through their souls
[43:39.000 -> 43:41.000] about boring race, boring race, boring race.
[43:41.000 -> 43:44.000] And they had to sit and apologise for it being a boring race.
[43:44.000 -> 43:54.480] And to me, don't do that that's not alex how much of that though is due to the incredibly poor um tv
[43:54.480 -> 43:59.440] direction yeah possibly the world that the world feed gives the world feed shows the first two laps
[43:59.440 -> 44:06.880] of the race and then no matter what is going on goes to five laps worth of replays when there's stuff going on
[44:06.880 -> 44:12.480] when DRS is about to be opened they go to replays. That's a deliberate, that's a fully deliberate
[44:12.480 -> 44:16.960] thing. Who was Massa's race engineer? I don't understand why. Rob Smedley, I interviewed Rob
[44:16.960 -> 44:21.280] Smedley here on Missed Apex podcast last season. So what was the reason why they do it? And this
[44:21.280 -> 44:30.560] was just a thing they just they really it from a, definitely came from a place of caring, and it was a real drive to show people what the drivers were up to
[44:30.560 -> 44:31.560] from all angles.
[44:31.560 -> 44:35.480] It was all like, they went through a phase of trying like, showing reaction times at
[44:35.480 -> 44:37.560] the starts, and they really wanted to show-
[44:37.560 -> 44:38.560] I like that.
[44:38.560 -> 44:41.280] Yeah, they wanted to show the skill of the start, and this is one of the things that
[44:41.280 -> 44:49.300] came out from it, is wait for the action to to die down at the front and then show replays but us old sweats we're sitting
[44:49.300 -> 44:52.460] there going well no we want to we want to see who's pushing who's not pushing
[44:52.460 -> 44:55.780] who's tyre saving we want to see those battles up front but also it's that case
[44:55.780 -> 45:01.460] of but they don't wait until it's settled down they wait until exactly DRS
[45:01.460 -> 45:05.000] opens which is when yeah it doesn't settle down because when
[45:05.000 -> 45:09.240] everyone is at their closest they are at the time or three until they call a competition
[45:09.240 -> 45:14.200] caution for a mouse being on the circuit and they pull a safety car out for it.
[45:14.200 -> 45:17.200] So I'm not saying it's magnificent all I'm saying is I believe that that is coming
[45:17.200 -> 45:21.600] from a good place for the viewer. But yes so I agree with you on the case of
[45:21.600 -> 45:26.000] it's terrible that the commentators are having to apologize,
[45:26.000 -> 45:30.480] but I think they're having to apologize because what they are being shown isn't actually
[45:30.480 -> 45:37.360] representative of what is going on. It actually shows how good they are to talk their way through
[45:37.360 -> 45:39.920] it and still make it interesting. I don't think that's the whole story,
[45:39.920 -> 45:46.960] but I accept your point. Christian? Let me just quickly recap the Imola 2005 race for people who's listening to this,
[45:46.960 -> 45:51.720] who didn't watch it. It's basically, they don't change tires in the pit.
[45:52.200 -> 45:57.080] They only do refueling and they can adjust like the front wing and maybe adjust a
[45:57.080 -> 46:01.440] little bit of tire pressure, which in the six, seven seconds, the stationary is
[46:01.440 -> 46:11.920] quite difficult. Anyway, same tires all the way through. Schumacher made an error in qualifying, was fully packed with fuel for the race,
[46:11.920 -> 46:18.640] but did a mistake. So he started 13th. The entire race was between Schumacher and Alonso. Alonso
[46:18.640 -> 46:26.240] away with Raikkonen, Raikkonen car breaks down. The McLaren, Andrea Newey, McLaren still I think, or was it maybe,
[46:26.240 -> 46:32.640] doesn't matter. Anyway, it broke down, so probably Andrea Newey. Anyway, Schumacher collects Alonso
[46:32.640 -> 46:38.880] during the race, drives a masterful race. This is where you see, this is not a Gasly or Kevin
[46:38.880 -> 46:45.400] Magnussen or anything. This is a Schumacher in Im, just driving the butt out of that Ferrari.
[46:45.400 -> 46:46.800] He picks up on Alonso.
[46:46.800 -> 46:51.000] I think there's around 15 laps left and he just can't get through.
[46:51.000 -> 46:53.000] Alonso doesn't even drive very well.
[46:53.000 -> 46:57.600] Of course, he drives a little bit defensive, but it's just, as Spanner said,
[46:57.600 -> 47:01.000] he just places his car in the line and he can't do anything.
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[47:51.640 -> 48:02.480] So, the question asker, right, Van Bruggen, who asked the question is in our Patreon live
[48:02.480 -> 48:06.360] chat. You can be too by going to patreon.com forward slash
[48:06.360 -> 48:07.200] missed apex.
[48:07.200 -> 48:08.440] Why do I say that every show?
[48:08.440 -> 48:11.640] Because that is the only reason that we are here.
[48:11.640 -> 48:13.880] There would be a lot of other pressures for me and Matt
[48:13.880 -> 48:15.940] if we weren't Patreon supported.
[48:15.940 -> 48:17.720] So you'll get an ad free feed.
[48:17.720 -> 48:19.640] So you get a special link from Patreon
[48:19.640 -> 48:21.440] that you put in your podcast player.
[48:21.440 -> 48:24.400] And I try to make sure that the ads are good.
[48:24.400 -> 48:25.840] And sometimes I hope that they're
[48:25.840 -> 48:31.600] entertaining as well when I do them. But if you don't want them you can go to patreon.com forward
[48:31.600 -> 48:37.120] slash missed apex for an ad free feed. There's extra bonus content on a Friday before a race
[48:37.120 -> 48:41.280] where we waffle a little bit, get to know me and Matt a little better and we are always in our
[48:41.280 -> 48:45.900] patron slack group as well and so you can get all of that on the $5 tier.
[48:45.900 -> 48:48.400] Patreon.com forward slash missed apex.
[48:48.400 -> 48:50.700] Vyatsa says in our patron slack group,
[48:50.700 -> 48:53.500] the 2005 cars had to deal with a lot of wake
[48:53.500 -> 48:55.560] coming from the car that they were chasing.
[48:55.560 -> 48:57.800] Overtaking through pit stops was, you know,
[48:57.800 -> 48:58.640] one of the only options,
[48:58.640 -> 49:00.480] but it was great in terms of race craft,
[49:00.480 -> 49:03.100] making a strategy work, great defensing driving.
[49:03.100 -> 49:08.960] If you don't highlight that and explain why that's great race craft then you can't blame a broad audience for not
[49:08.960 -> 49:12.200] understanding why that is great. And Catman, I think the original question, the
[49:12.200 -> 49:17.600] original point is, I think you put that race in the modern F1 sphere and I still
[49:17.600 -> 49:20.800] think that people will complain it's boring and I still think the broadcast
[49:20.800 -> 49:29.120] teams will feel a pressure to apologize for it. And that's the problem. I think they need to not feel that pressure and make a concerted effort,
[49:29.120 -> 49:35.840] as Vector was saying, to explain how masterful these drivers are in actually
[49:36.800 -> 49:41.040] following and trying to overtake, even when they can't, showing the different lines they're taking
[49:41.040 -> 49:46.200] and all the different strategies they're doing. Explain that to people, and that's what they've come for. They've come for the
[49:46.200 -> 49:52.400] love of the sport. I think the reason a lot of those fuel stop races were class
[49:52.400 -> 49:58.360] as boring was Schumacher who started in 13th on a heavy car, cruised around, all
[49:58.360 -> 50:02.200] of a sudden everyone pits in front of him. He then goes and blitzes the track
[50:02.200 -> 50:04.600] which you don't really see because you're seeing everybody's pit stops
[50:04.600 -> 50:05.500] everything else going on.
[50:05.500 -> 50:08.500] And then all of a sudden he pits and he pops up in third place.
[50:08.500 -> 50:12.500] And everyone's just like, what? How did that happen?
[50:12.500 -> 50:13.500] I hated that.
[50:13.500 -> 50:22.500] And it just gave you no element of what actually had happened, despite the fact that it would have been a fantastic drive from Shumi to pull that out.
[50:22.500 -> 50:25.040] I mean, there was, I think you said during that thing that he was like two seconds a lap quicker than Jenson Button and Alon to pull that out. I mean there was I think he said during that thing that he
[50:25.040 -> 50:30.960] was like two seconds a lap quicker than Jenson Button and Alonso at that point which again tells
[50:30.960 -> 50:35.920] me a difference in the cards because you just won't get that these days but it might have been
[50:35.920 -> 50:42.160] fuel and all this kind of stuff. So that was the reason the refueling stages never worked. I think
[50:42.160 -> 50:46.720] the thing that would have saved this race in the modern time is we had
[50:46.720 -> 50:52.440] a fight for the lead on the final lap and I think that would have saved it because I don't know how
[50:52.440 -> 50:57.200] many laps they were Schumacher was chasing him for but he went through button and then he caught up
[50:57.200 -> 51:02.000] to the back of Alonso so I think that would have saved it in the modern era and would have kept it
[51:02.000 -> 51:05.360] as a good race. Absolutely you know people want that fight for the lead.
[51:05.360 -> 51:09.380] They don't want a fight for 13th place, but if you contrast it to Miami, for
[51:09.380 -> 51:14.340] instance, where Max started in a similar place, um, and he just breezed past
[51:14.340 -> 51:18.220] everybody with DRS and they came up to his teammate and breezed past him as well.
[51:18.620 -> 51:21.320] Um, you know, it's, it's just not comparable.
[51:21.360 -> 51:26.040] They need to actually have some form of competition there.
[51:26.040 -> 51:28.600] And that's what we had in those days.
[51:28.600 -> 51:31.480] Let me just add a short, frightening aspect
[51:31.480 -> 51:32.920] of the Imola broadcast.
[51:32.920 -> 51:36.080] Watching the cast without the halo was so...
[51:36.080 -> 51:36.920] Yes.
[51:36.920 -> 51:40.440] Almost like running into a wall, like, what is going on?
[51:40.440 -> 51:42.120] I mean, aren't they afraid?
[51:42.120 -> 51:43.640] Yeah.
[51:43.640 -> 51:49.240] It says a lot about how quickly the Halo has integrated into just being part of Formula
[51:49.240 -> 51:50.920] One, basically, racing.
[51:50.920 -> 51:51.920] Tyres!
[51:51.920 -> 51:52.920] My God!
[51:52.920 -> 51:55.920] He's got a clipboard!
[51:55.920 -> 51:57.680] Yeah, yeah.
[51:57.680 -> 52:06.920] Well, did you know that after every race, tyres are burned at 1400 degrees centigrade. The ash can then be recycled to make asphalt,
[52:06.920 -> 52:11.320] or with a microscope, be reassembled as a tire.
[52:11.320 -> 52:12.960] I did know that!
[52:12.960 -> 52:14.480] No, no, that's not true.
[52:14.480 -> 52:15.520] No, no, no, no, no.
[52:15.520 -> 52:17.240] Imagine if it was ashes.
[52:17.240 -> 52:19.520] You had like a trillion bits of ashes.
[52:19.520 -> 52:21.480] The bit I did know is that, like,
[52:21.480 -> 52:24.960] so my dad used to work for a company
[52:24.960 -> 52:26.520] that would take old tyres, break
[52:26.520 -> 52:30.420] them down and make them into new tyres. So I don't know if it's technically the way
[52:30.420 -> 52:37.660] that you did that, but I had one brief opportunity where we might have been able to do a karting
[52:37.660 -> 52:47.000] league and it was only if my dad's company called VacuLug could persuade this karting series that they
[52:47.000 -> 52:50.440] should have all their tires made out of recycled tires. But it turned out that
[52:50.440 -> 52:54.760] the tires were garbage and that's not particularly a great idea is my
[52:54.760 -> 52:59.800] understanding of that. Bonus bonus addition the tires are burnt in England
[52:59.800 -> 53:08.880] that's a blister. That's not gonna be great for our environment environment if the Simpsons has taught me anything it's that tires burn forever
[53:08.880 -> 53:13.160] Wes mentions in the chat about the timings often not shown in the old races
[53:13.160 -> 53:17.360] which is true but actually what jarred me more was the way they used to count
[53:17.360 -> 53:25.400] the laps down exactly I used to, I looked at it and I was like oh I'm watching this replay of the thing.
[53:25.400 -> 53:29.080] I'm a couple of minutes in and it's saying there's 13 laps left.
[53:29.080 -> 53:30.080] I'm like, what?
[53:30.080 -> 53:31.080] They're already on 13?
[53:31.080 -> 53:32.080] Oh, hang on.
[53:32.080 -> 53:33.080] No, it's the other way around.
[53:33.080 -> 53:35.200] It used to always drive me nuts.
[53:35.200 -> 53:38.600] If you count down, you need the number to be the last number.
[53:38.600 -> 53:41.040] The first number can never be the countdown.
[53:41.040 -> 53:44.640] Anyway, graphical thinking, but it was so wrong.
[53:44.640 -> 53:46.800] Everything that went on timing wise it was
[53:46.800 -> 53:59.200] a terrible design idea it was for any mailbag show so uh we've got a couple of quicker quicker fire
[53:59.200 -> 54:06.880] ones here brad schooling says hi richard what did I do wrong? Nice to catch up with you at Lakeside
[54:06.880 -> 54:12.000] Karting on Friday. Yes, I did. I went on a sneaky karting session to my nearest kart track,
[54:12.000 -> 54:18.000] which was still like an hour and a half away. He's got a question here. What if all the drivers
[54:18.560 -> 54:26.320] got two races per team set at random tracks with a draw ceremony at the start of the season. Would this allow
[54:26.320 -> 54:30.520] people to see who is the best, most adaptable team? Would the show who is the best, most
[54:30.520 -> 54:35.980] adaptable driver discuss the politics and tactics this would create? And I think this
[54:35.980 -> 54:40.640] does come down to the core of what people want and what we're looking at within the
[54:40.640 -> 54:45.720] competition of Formula One. So great question, Brad, and it was lovely racing with you
[54:45.720 -> 54:46.560] at Lakeside Karting.
[54:46.560 -> 54:48.200] I wish I'd seen more of you,
[54:48.200 -> 54:51.000] but go-karts don't have wing mirrors.
[54:51.000 -> 54:51.840] Catman.
[54:51.840 -> 54:55.600] Oh, hey, that was a good shout out for Lakeside Karting.
[54:55.600 -> 54:56.440] No, no, no, no.
[54:56.440 -> 54:57.260] It's good.
[54:57.260 -> 54:58.100] Do you know what?
[54:58.100 -> 54:58.940] Have you been there?
[54:58.940 -> 54:59.760] Yeah, absolutely.
[54:59.760 -> 55:02.960] They were lovely and they were so accommodating
[55:02.960 -> 55:04.640] and they did, they like, we got out of the karts
[55:04.640 -> 55:05.000] and they said, well
[55:05.000 -> 55:10.240] if you want to go again, you can go again at half price. And all of us went, well we're
[55:10.240 -> 55:14.560] kind of old, thank you for the offer, but it's kind of her.
[55:14.560 -> 55:18.200] Do you know how you know if you're going fast enough at Lakeside?
[55:18.200 -> 55:19.200] Tell me.
[55:19.200 -> 55:21.760] You get air going down the hill.
[55:21.760 -> 55:28.720] Oh right, yeah. So at the end of the straight there's a big drop and you must keep your steering wheel very very straight during this time.
[55:28.720 -> 55:32.720] Now you've got to be pointing outwards to get a better line for the corner. I did not do that
[55:32.720 -> 55:37.280] and I ended up in the wall backwards at whatever their top speed is. It was pretty painful.
[55:38.080 -> 55:43.440] On behalf of the listeners, we're just, hey we are here, what are you guys talking about? Okay
[55:44.640 -> 55:45.700] glory days. Just talking about outdoor kart, okay, okay. Glory days.
[55:45.700 -> 55:50.200] Just talking about outdoor karting in general, like I always say to everyone.
[55:50.200 -> 55:51.200] Outdoor, what is outdoor?
[55:51.200 -> 55:52.200] What is this outdoor thing?
[55:52.200 -> 55:56.140] Okay, so there's two types of karting in general, isn't there, when you just want to tip up
[55:56.140 -> 55:57.140] and go karting.
[55:57.140 -> 56:02.220] Indoor karting, where you're on rubber with no grip, and look, those guys do a fine job,
[56:02.220 -> 56:05.440] but it's not what I want because you're sliding around a lot,
[56:05.440 -> 56:11.280] it's very hard to overtake. But if you just have like a Friday afternoon, free, your work finished
[56:11.280 -> 56:17.520] early, you can spend your $30 worse than just going along to an indoor kart track and just get
[56:17.520 -> 56:22.480] in there, get in the race suit, get the helmet on, pull the visor down and just set lap times.
[56:22.480 -> 56:25.040] That's great. Catman. That's a thing you could do. That's
[56:25.040 -> 56:29.200] not a waste of an afternoon and it's relatively cheap. Go and find an indoor circuit. Just
[56:29.200 -> 56:34.640] go do laps. If you've never done it before, do not be scared. The motorsport is dangerous,
[56:34.640 -> 56:39.760] but that is the least dangerous form of motorsport I can think about. Be sensible. Don't go flying
[56:39.760 -> 56:42.960] into other cars, but you do get a racing experience out of it.
[56:42.960 -> 56:45.040] Oh, absolutely. It's how we all started out
[56:45.040 -> 56:49.360] almost to a tee I would reckon, you know when you're young just grab a kart and go, it's
[56:49.360 -> 56:54.160] absolutely awesome. Although I must say you know Christian, you were saying about indoors versus
[56:54.160 -> 56:58.240] outdoors, I mean look at his screen, no wonder he likes indoors, it's very very dark. It's very dark,
[56:58.240 -> 57:03.840] it's gloomy. Christian likes dungeon karting but when you go on onto an outdoor track it's a
[57:03.840 -> 57:09.560] completely different experience, unfortunately it does tend to be about double the price, but that's when
[57:09.560 -> 57:15.000] you really feel like a race driver. And most of those outdoor tracks, they have the red
[57:15.000 -> 57:21.040] and white curbs, and you have to decide how much of the curb you're willing to risk taking.
[57:21.040 -> 57:26.720] And so Red Lodge in Cambridgeshire, for example, they have a really thick kerb and I
[57:26.720 -> 57:31.920] was just abusing it because I just, I found a weight where my outside tyre was okay and I could
[57:31.920 -> 57:38.320] hit the kerb really hard. About 10 laps in, I broke the front right tyre off and it went flying across
[57:38.320 -> 57:41.760] the circuit, all the way across the other side of the circuit and like other cars were having to
[57:41.760 -> 57:49.440] avoid it. And it's because I'd been abusing the kerbs for about you know 20 minutes and they apologized to me and i was like it's okay
[57:49.440 -> 57:56.320] i don't mind obviously it's not ideal 100% my fault i i got sad about karting today because i
[57:56.320 -> 58:02.080] was clearing out my shed and i found two boxes full of trophies i found my old nassau panels
[58:02.080 -> 58:05.360] which is the big panel that goes on the front of the karts from my 24-hour races and i found my old Nassau panels, which is the big panel that goes on the front of the cart for my 24 hour races.
[58:05.360 -> 58:10.800] And I found my old pit board and I got very, very sad because I used to be quite good,
[58:10.800 -> 58:17.840] but unfortunately my, um, my body shape has changed in the last five, six years and I
[58:17.840 -> 58:20.880] can't really do it anymore.
[58:20.880 -> 58:22.960] You can race in the B finals with me.
[58:22.960 -> 58:23.960] It's fine.
[58:23.960 -> 58:24.960] Come and join me.
[58:24.960 -> 58:26.880] I won that thanks to you.
[58:26.880 -> 58:28.440] You defended me brilliantly.
[58:28.440 -> 58:31.000] Anyway, go go-karting.
[58:31.000 -> 58:32.440] You won't regret it.
[58:32.440 -> 58:35.520] Everyone steps out of a go-kart and they're buzzing.
[58:35.520 -> 58:40.360] It's so, so rare that you see anyone sad after go-karting.
[58:40.360 -> 58:46.140] They say money can't buy you happiness, but that is that's not right because you can pay yeah
[58:46.140 -> 58:52.720] You can pay to go go-karting so money can absolutely buy you happiness also like you know beer
[58:53.140 -> 58:57.540] But the question is a good one because it comes down to the core of what is Formula One
[58:58.060 -> 59:03.600] IndyCar at the moment is having a little bit of a is having a bit of a moment Christian because people are talking about well
[59:03.600 -> 59:09.120] All the cars are more even it's more competition. And if you want that, that's great. But Brad's
[59:09.120 -> 59:14.940] question is, why can't we just like, he's almost saying, forget about driver contracts
[59:14.940 -> 59:20.160] and just assign random drives. And then it does truly, really become a team competition,
[59:20.160 -> 59:21.160] I think.
[59:21.160 -> 59:29.180] I have thought about this actually quite a few times, because how can you spice it up?
[59:29.180 -> 59:31.180] Can you do anything to spice it up?
[59:31.180 -> 59:37.500] But you have to imagine Mbappé playing for every team in the French League, two games
[59:37.500 -> 59:38.500] each.
[59:38.500 -> 59:41.460] It will never work because where does she live?
[59:41.460 -> 59:43.240] Who is she playing for?
[59:43.240 -> 59:45.000] Who is she playing with? Who is he playing with?
[59:45.000 -> 59:47.300] And it's the same for racing drivers.
[59:47.300 -> 59:54.700] It would be fun, but it would only be fun if the reality is the drivers are themselves and the teams are themselves.
[59:54.700 -> 59:58.400] Formula One is very much an entire team with the driver in the team.
[59:58.400 -> 01:00:02.700] So also contract-wise, it's simply not doable.
[01:00:02.700 -> 01:00:06.800] It's almost like asking who's the best football manager and basing that on league position.
[01:00:06.800 -> 01:00:11.400] No, it's not, because you can be a brilliant manager, saving a team from relegation, and
[01:00:11.400 -> 01:00:15.080] do better than the team that just sneaked into the UEFA Cup.
[01:00:15.080 -> 01:00:16.080] Catman.
[01:00:16.080 -> 01:00:17.080] Sorry, Christian.
[01:00:17.080 -> 01:00:20.720] If I can just add one thing, you would also have to have...
[01:00:20.720 -> 01:00:26.120] My conclusion was, if you need to do this, you need to have the same cars everywhere.
[01:00:26.120 -> 01:00:30.480] So each team has to have a car that is driving with the same specs, whatever.
[01:00:30.480 -> 01:00:32.700] And then you would just have like a different scenario.
[01:00:32.700 -> 01:00:35.080] So it wouldn't be Formula One if you had to do it anyways.
[01:00:35.080 -> 01:00:38.560] Well, they did exactly this in W Series, didn't they?
[01:00:38.560 -> 01:00:41.680] So they had exactly the same cars and they changed around the teams.
[01:00:41.680 -> 01:00:45.920] And Jamie Chadwick won, I think it was over 50% of all the races
[01:00:45.920 -> 01:00:50.560] in all three series. So the cream would still come to the top and I don't think it made that
[01:00:50.560 -> 01:00:55.600] much of a difference. As you said, if it was someone driving a Minardi, then it would make
[01:00:55.600 -> 01:01:01.920] a big difference. And to be fair, you probably wouldn't get people out of positions. So I don't
[01:01:01.920 -> 01:01:07.440] think it would work in F1. Okay. So just while we're quickly touching on women's racing,
[01:01:07.440 -> 01:01:10.720] Philip Allen did jump in with a question saying,
[01:01:10.720 -> 01:01:15.120] what else should the FIA do to improve diversity of drivers?
[01:01:15.120 -> 01:01:20.480] Should the FIA insist F3 teams only have one driver of each sex and in its teams?
[01:01:20.480 -> 01:01:29.240] How can the new Academy Series be better promoted other than the obvious showing of races, which they're not doing at the moment? So I'm going to kind of pause
[01:01:29.240 -> 01:01:34.520] on that because Antonia Rankin has been doing quite a bit of research into F1 Academy and
[01:01:34.520 -> 01:01:38.240] been following it. She's going to join us on Tuesday. We're going to do a whole segment
[01:01:38.240 -> 01:01:43.920] on that. All I would say is I wouldn't want to compare this to W Series at the moment
[01:01:43.920 -> 01:01:45.720] because women racing in motorsport,
[01:01:45.720 -> 01:01:50.200] obviously there's an effort to increase the pool of talent.
[01:01:50.200 -> 01:01:54.000] So at the moment, you put W Series together
[01:01:54.000 -> 01:01:56.320] by looking for all the women that are currently in series
[01:01:56.320 -> 01:01:58.840] doing quite well, or who are coming through,
[01:01:59.920 -> 01:02:02.640] in that way, it was an immature series.
[01:02:02.640 -> 01:02:05.720] So you are going to get a spread of talent.
[01:02:05.720 -> 01:02:08.840] That's inevitable until you get to a mature talent pool.
[01:02:08.840 -> 01:02:09.840] Absolutely.
[01:02:09.840 -> 01:02:12.840] And that's what these trailblazing people and series are for.
[01:02:12.840 -> 01:02:17.560] They're to inspire almost the next generation, if you will, of...
[01:02:17.560 -> 01:02:19.200] It's not just for women.
[01:02:19.200 -> 01:02:26.160] It's what the wonderful Racing Pride organization are doing as well, that I know Chris from our podcast has been
[01:02:26.160 -> 01:02:32.640] involved with this week. So you know it's fantastic to see different representation and hopefully
[01:02:32.640 -> 01:02:35.920] down the line it will allow more people to become involved in motorsport.
[01:02:35.920 -> 01:02:42.640] More on that on Tuesday but back to Brad's question. So you know I think a lot of people
[01:02:42.640 -> 01:02:46.640] are desperate to to see the drivers kind of fight it out on
[01:02:46.640 -> 01:02:49.720] equal terms, but that's never what F1 has been.
[01:02:49.720 -> 01:02:50.720] Alex van Geen.
[01:02:50.720 -> 01:02:57.040] Yeah, it's, I mean, there was an interview the other day with Esteban Ocon, and I agree
[01:02:57.040 -> 01:03:02.560] with him, where he says, I think if all the drivers were put in the same machinery, there
[01:03:02.560 -> 01:03:05.440] would be two tents between the entire field and I
[01:03:05.440 -> 01:03:10.400] don't disagree with him because that is the level of drivers we are talking about you know you don't
[01:03:10.400 -> 01:03:15.840] get to 20 drivers in a series like Formula One without finding the cream of the crop even with
[01:03:15.840 -> 01:03:22.400] your Lance Strolls who's had his time to get good now. Wait, wait, wait, hang on that's the perfect example.
[01:03:22.400 -> 01:03:28.800] What is the genuine race pace or flat-out lap time difference between Fernando Alonso and Lance Stroll?
[01:03:28.800 -> 01:03:34.000] Because that could well be the answer to what is the difference between the front and the back of the grid.
[01:03:34.000 -> 01:03:39.000] I think there's a lot going on there with the Fernando Alonso thing.
[01:03:39.000 -> 01:03:43.000] I think Fernando Alonso has hit the ground running and all of a sudden got this big wind under him.
[01:03:43.000 -> 01:03:45.120] We also don't know how much Lance
[01:03:45.120 -> 01:03:55.520] is still struggling with his injury. It was a big big injury and he's notably been knackered
[01:03:55.520 -> 01:04:01.440] after races and been drugged up on painkillers to just make sure that he can make it through the
[01:04:01.440 -> 01:04:09.560] races. So and obviously all these first few races have been street tracks and things like that, which is more difficult, it will be more interesting
[01:04:09.560 -> 01:04:13.360] to see when he gets closer. But I do think the grid is close. I think there'll be a couple
[01:04:13.360 -> 01:04:18.600] of outliers, like Lance, who might be a little bit further away. But I don't think there's
[01:04:18.600 -> 01:04:23.400] much in it between most of them. Well, my caveat to that would be that out and out lap
[01:04:23.400 -> 01:04:25.160] time isn't the be allall and end-all, and
[01:04:25.160 -> 01:04:30.560] in fact race pace is probably more important. But yeah, I think, look, my answer to you,
[01:04:30.560 -> 01:04:35.040] Brad, would be that I've always seen Formula One as a career game. So the drivers are coming
[01:04:35.040 -> 01:04:40.640] in and their aim is to, and this could be influenced by 90s computer games that I played.
[01:04:40.640 -> 01:04:48.960] I think it was Nigel Mansell's game on the SNES, where you had to kind make your way through the ranks and if you won you would get an offer from another team and you
[01:04:48.960 -> 01:04:53.040] had to choose whether to accept it or not based on the previous team's results. And that's the
[01:04:53.040 -> 01:04:58.560] game. I think that's the game in a lot of sports. So you're not going to pick up titles at Southampton
[01:04:58.560 -> 01:05:04.800] and Matt Leticier had a choice in the 90s about whether to pursue his England career by taking
[01:05:04.800 -> 01:05:06.200] the offers from the big teams
[01:05:06.200 -> 01:05:11.440] or whether to be loyal to Southampton and enjoy his stalwart status there. Leticia,
[01:05:11.440 -> 01:05:15.720] one of the greatest midfielders in the 90s. Maybe Chris Waddle? No, Leticia, it's got
[01:05:15.720 -> 01:05:16.720] to be Leticia.
[01:05:16.720 -> 01:05:23.200] Even as not a foot, even as not as big a football fan, I know how great Matt Leticia was.
[01:05:23.200 -> 01:05:24.200] Exactly.
[01:05:24.200 -> 01:05:30.600] So you go, if you want to go and lose a couple of hours, just go on YouTube, Matt Letizia goals,
[01:05:30.600 -> 01:05:33.600] and you'll have a whale of a time watching some of the most incredible goals you've ever
[01:05:33.600 -> 01:05:34.600] seen in your life.
[01:05:34.600 -> 01:05:37.800] Also, I'm going to, after that, then go and follow a Twitter account.
[01:05:37.800 -> 01:05:40.080] I think it's called rubbish 90s football.
[01:05:40.080 -> 01:05:43.080] And that's also entertaining.
[01:05:43.080 -> 01:05:46.560] But what I'm trying to say is that Formula One is a career game, so
[01:05:46.560 -> 01:05:51.360] getting to F1 is one thing, and then you have to prove your worth. Primarily, you beat your
[01:05:51.360 -> 01:05:56.640] teammate, then you climb the ranks, then you, all through that, you're trying to build associations
[01:05:56.640 -> 01:06:03.280] with a top team. So, you know, like drivers like, you know, like even Ericsson, you know,
[01:06:03.280 -> 01:06:05.000] had affiliation with Ferrari.
[01:06:05.000 -> 01:06:10.320] So if he'd ever been good and beaten anyone, then he would have eventually, that's his path to Ferrari.
[01:06:10.320 -> 01:06:17.320] Obviously, the Red Bull juniors like Sunoda right now, his aim was to prove himself against Gasly,
[01:06:17.320 -> 01:06:21.000] prove himself now against De Vries, and then he can go to Red Bull.
[01:06:21.000 -> 01:06:29.680] And that's part of the game. Then you get yourself in that position and then you fight for your shot. You haven't just been gifted that top seat in that top
[01:06:29.680 -> 01:06:34.320] team. And there's only a handful of drivers where you can say they kind of cheated, and
[01:06:34.320 -> 01:06:39.840] I don't really mean cheated, that system where they suddenly found themselves in a top team
[01:06:39.840 -> 01:06:45.960] and had a title shot. So Jenson Button had worked his way into top teams.
[01:06:45.960 -> 01:06:50.120] However, the Braun situation was something of a fluke.
[01:06:50.120 -> 01:06:53.440] It was good luck on his part, not on the team's part.
[01:06:53.440 -> 01:06:54.520] They worked very hard,
[01:06:54.520 -> 01:06:57.600] but he suddenly found himself in a car with an innovation
[01:06:57.600 -> 01:07:00.240] in a team that people weren't fancying to be at the top.
[01:07:00.240 -> 01:07:02.480] But generally, it's a career game.
[01:07:02.480 -> 01:07:04.600] You get yourself into one of the top teams
[01:07:04.600 -> 01:07:05.280] and then you go forward.
[01:07:05.280 -> 01:07:10.000] And to be honest, I've always enjoyed that because I've watched Formula One over decades.
[01:07:10.000 -> 01:07:16.240] And so if I may bang this drum one more time, Formula One is not a sport that can be enjoyed
[01:07:16.800 -> 01:07:26.640] over two hours or even over a year. Formula One is a sport of eras and you have to watch and enjoy those eras from start to finish.
[01:07:26.640 -> 01:07:33.200] So if you're a new fan, strap in and I'll tell you what, I'll do you a deal. Dedicate the next 40 or
[01:07:33.200 -> 01:07:39.040] 50 years to watching Formula One and then after that, if you don't like it, go watch IndyCar.
[01:07:39.040 -> 01:07:46.240] Absolutely. Motorsport just sucks you in, no matter which channel, which sport you're watching.
[01:07:46.240 -> 01:07:47.240] You just got to get involved.
[01:07:47.240 -> 01:07:49.800] And as you say, get to know all the drivers and the teams.
[01:07:49.800 -> 01:07:54.880] And like Alonso didn't, for example, you know, he took about the career game where he decided
[01:07:54.880 -> 01:07:57.560] to jump ship towards sinking ships.
[01:07:57.560 -> 01:08:00.880] So it's part of the soap opera and we love it.
[01:08:00.880 -> 01:08:01.880] Sorry, sorry.
[01:08:01.880 -> 01:08:03.760] We are getting yelled at for talking football.
[01:08:03.760 -> 01:08:10.240] Mike Stoner says, football, go back to tyres, please. Christian, tyres. This would never have happened if Matt was
[01:08:10.240 -> 01:08:15.040] here. No, I promise you. I don't know what to say besides that. Tyre fact. Tyre fact. Yeah,
[01:08:15.040 -> 01:08:18.960] actually we said tyres. You need to say it. No, you just said Christian. You need to say tyre
[01:08:18.960 -> 01:08:24.800] fact. I literally, I yelled tyres. What more do you want? It's the thing you told us to do. Come
[01:08:24.800 -> 01:08:25.300] on, Christian. Do your own feature. Here we go. Here we The thing you told us to do. Come on, Christian.
[01:08:25.300 -> 01:08:26.500] You've got to do your own feature.
[01:08:26.500 -> 01:08:27.900] Here we go. Here we go.
[01:08:27.900 -> 01:08:29.800] This is a good one. A philosophical one.
[01:08:30.300 -> 01:08:34.500] F1 rain tires evacuate an average of 60 litres,
[01:08:34.500 -> 01:08:37.900] which is 16 gallons approximately of water per second.
[01:08:37.900 -> 01:08:41.100] Enough to fill a bathtub in four seconds,
[01:08:41.400 -> 01:08:44.300] but never enough to fill the space of Matt.
[01:08:44.700 -> 01:08:47.720] Oh, look at that. You made it so sweet in the end.
[01:08:47.720 -> 01:08:48.720] The big feels!
[01:08:48.720 -> 01:08:53.520] I was going to say, never enough to make up for the amount a toddler splashes out of your
[01:08:53.520 -> 01:08:57.480] bathtub as you're just, you're trying to bathe them, you're doing them a favor.
[01:08:57.480 -> 01:09:01.320] You're thinking of babies, I'm thinking of mad. Two different kind of...
[01:09:01.320 -> 01:09:03.360] I did know that fact.
[01:09:03.360 -> 01:09:04.360] None of my...
[01:09:04.360 -> 01:09:05.280] Tread lightly with my feelings, please.
[01:09:06.480 -> 01:09:10.720] Tread lightly for you tread on my feelings. So I just want to point out that none of my bumpers
[01:09:10.720 -> 01:09:15.040] have worked today and all of them have had Christian talking over them, but that's fine.
[01:09:15.040 -> 01:09:20.480] That is a feature of Christian Pedersen being on this show and I've given up on editing. I'm not
[01:09:20.480 -> 01:09:29.720] editing Christian Pedersen, I'm not editing Joe Sayward, I'm not doing any more edits on this show. We have done the last edit. I didn't get mentioned in that.
[01:09:29.720 -> 01:09:33.520] You've been very good. I want to apologize because it's because every time I start talking
[01:09:33.520 -> 01:09:41.520] my screen freezes and I can't hear you guys. So I'm sorry. He's done it again. No, I did
[01:09:41.520 -> 01:09:47.520] it. I did it that time. Let's move on to another question. This one's from Oliver
[01:09:47.520 -> 01:09:48.520] Flink.
[01:09:48.520 -> 01:09:50.800] Simon and Spencer.
[01:09:50.800 -> 01:09:55.480] One thing I haven't seen discussed anywhere is the fact that recent safety standards have
[01:09:55.480 -> 01:10:01.520] rendered all street tracks pretty much identical. I'm sure Monaco is glamorous and all that,
[01:10:01.520 -> 01:10:05.760] but from the driver's point of view, it's hard to see a difference to Sochi or Melbourne.
[01:10:05.760 -> 01:10:10.700] All the drivers ever see is grey safety fence, the racers are driving in a tube-shaped cage.
[01:10:10.700 -> 01:10:15.040] I don't think we should compromise with safety, but surely there must be something we can do.
[01:10:15.040 -> 01:10:21.480] Portier, Monaco, Monaco? Portier? Nowadays looks like a right turn in an industrial area of Birmingham.
[01:10:21.480 -> 01:10:29.040] Oh, he's from Birmingham. Okay. Is there any solution to this or is it all that we can just do something and we have to just accept it anyway? Great
[01:10:29.040 -> 01:10:34.200] show, keep on rocking, says Oliver Flink. It's a good question. Christian, all street
[01:10:34.200 -> 01:10:37.760] tracks look the same and are dull and don't provide racing.
[01:10:37.760 -> 01:10:41.800] But I don't know, is this question from the driver's perspective? I don't understand.
[01:10:41.800 -> 01:10:51.040] Well, I mean, if you look on an onboard, which arguably is one of the best ways to watch Formula One, then yeah, a lot of them do look the same. I think from a
[01:10:51.040 -> 01:10:56.480] driver's perspective, all you need is your markings and markings can be whatever it can be part of
[01:10:56.480 -> 01:11:00.800] nature or a bit of the part of the concrete on track or part of the fence or whatever.
[01:11:00.800 -> 01:11:05.640] You just need your marks to where you break and where you do kinds of stuff.
[01:11:05.640 -> 01:11:07.920] They don't have to, they can't change.
[01:11:07.920 -> 01:11:09.120] That is all you need basically.
[01:11:09.120 -> 01:11:14.840] So from a driver perspective, I think it makes it look faster going through rails, but you
[01:11:14.840 -> 01:11:15.840] don't really care.
[01:11:15.840 -> 01:11:16.840] I don't think.
[01:11:16.840 -> 01:11:22.560] I'll be Brad's advocate here and say, just watching the onboards from the Nürburgring
[01:11:22.560 -> 01:11:26.880] 24 hours were absolutely terrifying, driving past
[01:11:26.880 -> 01:11:31.600] all the walls and all of the safety vehicles that were just plodding around on the circuit while
[01:11:31.600 -> 01:11:39.120] they're going around at full speed. For me, that's a step closer to rallying, which is just an
[01:11:39.120 -> 01:11:46.800] absolute disaster. I don't agree that you need the railings nearby to make it exciting.
[01:11:46.800 -> 01:11:49.680] It's terrifying, but it doesn't make the racing exciting.
[01:11:49.680 -> 01:11:54.960] Can we be respectful to rally driving, which is one of the most incredible skills I've ever seen.
[01:11:54.960 -> 01:11:57.680] Those guys and girls are absolutely bulletproof.
[01:11:57.680 -> 01:12:02.000] I've seen videos of guys falling off cliffs, tumbling down and hitting a tree,
[01:12:02.000 -> 01:12:03.600] and then one turns to the other and says,
[01:12:03.600 -> 01:12:04.960] Sven, are you okay?
[01:12:04.960 -> 01:12:07.600] Yeah, I'm okay. I've hurt my elbow a tiny bit, but I'm okay.
[01:12:07.600 -> 01:12:09.400] And then you just go, that was South African, sorry.
[01:12:09.400 -> 01:12:11.600] But they're amazing.
[01:12:11.600 -> 01:12:13.400] But that does not do it for me.
[01:12:13.400 -> 01:12:19.200] Because I don't watch a series to see, can you avoid death?
[01:12:19.200 -> 01:12:21.600] That's not what I'm watching a sport for.
[01:12:21.600 -> 01:12:25.200] So in Formula One, Christian still losing over the accent.
[01:12:25.200 -> 01:12:29.520] Sorry, should I try again with it? No, I've got to say that was very, I love when you do accents.
[01:12:29.520 -> 01:12:32.880] And then afterwards, you find out it was a different accent. That is just the best.
[01:12:32.880 -> 01:12:37.760] I should have just seen the movie Chappy Spanners. No, yeah, or just do it. Yeah,
[01:12:37.760 -> 01:12:42.320] or District 9, District 9 as well. That's great. That's why it stuck in my head. Often. Yeah,
[01:12:42.320 -> 01:12:46.880] I should have not nominated a name until I'd realized which accent came out
[01:12:46.880 -> 01:12:49.160] and then I could have gone, are you okay, Jonas?
[01:12:49.160 -> 01:12:51.040] Yeah, I'm all right, yeah, I'm doing okay.
[01:12:51.040 -> 01:12:51.880] My elbow's hurt a bit,
[01:12:51.880 -> 01:12:53.480] but I think we're going to get through it.
[01:12:53.480 -> 01:12:56.760] So I don't watch the sports.
[01:12:56.760 -> 01:13:00.100] I'm not one of these gladiatorial kind of fans who's,
[01:13:00.100 -> 01:13:02.760] and in rally, all I'm doing is holding my breath,
[01:13:02.760 -> 01:13:04.820] Catman, and it's an amazing skill,
[01:13:04.820 -> 01:13:09.760] but in F1, I don't really want that. I want them to be able to technically try and take
[01:13:09.760 -> 01:13:16.480] the fastest line, and I don't want one mistake to mean you're out. And looking at the Nürburgring 24,
[01:13:16.480 -> 01:13:19.760] I think the first crash was a Porsche, and if you look at the mistake he made,
[01:13:20.320 -> 01:13:26.320] he just was trying to overtake a slower car and just put a rear on the edge, and that was him.
[01:13:26.320 -> 01:13:27.520] And that was him out of the race.
[01:13:27.520 -> 01:13:29.800] And that's not what I want to watch
[01:13:29.800 -> 01:13:31.920] when I'm looking at a sport of racing.
[01:13:31.920 -> 01:13:33.880] Sorry, Alex, go on, I know you're a fan.
[01:13:33.880 -> 01:13:36.320] So taking this quick question
[01:13:36.320 -> 01:13:38.960] from the perspective of the driver,
[01:13:38.960 -> 01:13:41.960] which is actually I think where it's kind of based at,
[01:13:41.960 -> 01:13:46.120] they love it because it's exciting
[01:13:46.120 -> 01:13:48.680] and it means they can't make a mistake.
[01:13:48.680 -> 01:13:50.360] It means they have to be perfect.
[01:13:50.360 -> 01:13:53.080] It also means they can push the driver ahead
[01:13:53.080 -> 01:13:54.960] to make a mistake.
[01:13:54.960 -> 01:13:56.840] I mean, I know people don't like us talking
[01:13:56.840 -> 01:13:58.280] about sim racing, but-
[01:13:58.280 -> 01:13:59.120] Do it, I don't care.
[01:13:59.120 -> 01:14:02.760] Even at Imola this week in the Formula 3,
[01:14:02.760 -> 01:14:05.740] and at Imola, all the walls are very, very close.
[01:14:05.740 -> 01:14:08.280] You make one tiny mistake and you're buried in the wall.
[01:14:08.280 -> 01:14:10.400] I've done three or four races around this track
[01:14:10.400 -> 01:14:14.520] and I have driven every single lap terrified of crashing.
[01:14:14.520 -> 01:14:15.760] And that's the whole thing,
[01:14:15.760 -> 01:14:18.400] you're on that jangly end of your nerves,
[01:14:18.400 -> 01:14:20.520] the bit that they really like that makes them exciting.
[01:14:20.520 -> 01:14:22.460] And if you talk to any of the drivers,
[01:14:22.460 -> 01:14:24.520] the tracks they love the most
[01:14:24.520 -> 01:14:29.480] outside Suzuka, Spa and Silverstone are the street circuits because that's what
[01:14:29.480 -> 01:14:33.040] gives them the biggest tingle so they don't care if it all looks the same
[01:14:33.040 -> 01:14:39.080] because I bet it doesn't having driven them on the F1 games they definitely
[01:14:39.080 -> 01:14:45.000] don't look the same okay some of the night Saudi races in the Middle East,
[01:14:45.600 -> 01:14:47.080] they all look a bit the same,
[01:14:47.080 -> 01:14:49.860] but I just think it tingles them so much,
[01:14:49.860 -> 01:14:51.640] they don't care what it looks like.
[01:14:51.640 -> 01:14:54.400] All right, but it's a good question to be honest.
[01:14:54.400 -> 01:14:55.440] If you look at Formula E,
[01:14:55.440 -> 01:14:57.040] I definitely get that feeling
[01:14:57.040 -> 01:14:58.480] that all the tracks look the same
[01:14:58.480 -> 01:14:59.840] because basically they have the same,
[01:14:59.840 -> 01:15:02.960] they get in there and they set up the same kind of barriers.
[01:15:02.960 -> 01:15:05.520] And so it can end up looking you know a little bit
[01:15:05.520 -> 01:15:09.760] kind of similar and if you want to talk about character on a track the whole point of going to
[01:15:09.760 -> 01:15:15.200] a street track is that. But to be honest street tracks do have their own characteristics so if
[01:15:15.200 -> 01:15:22.320] you kind of go well Singapore it definitely has a distinct Singapore look and Singapore shows that
[01:15:22.320 -> 01:15:29.860] you can have a couple of sections that look quite Grand Prix-y as well. So I sympathise with what you're saying, and I have a feeling that
[01:15:29.860 -> 01:15:34.220] it's only going to get worse, because if F1 are really determined to bring things into
[01:15:34.220 -> 01:15:41.500] the cities, then they basically have... the cities aren't all determined to do a Formula
[01:15:41.500 -> 01:15:49.520] One race. They look at the deal, they look at the numbers and go, yes, this would be profitable. F1, please come in and do a Formula One race. So they're going to come in with their
[01:15:49.520 -> 01:15:55.040] expertise. And there is a risk that Vegas is going to look a lot like Miami, is going to look a lot
[01:15:55.040 -> 01:16:00.560] like Qatar, is going to look a lot like Saudi Arabia. Christian? I think we will in the future
[01:16:00.560 -> 01:16:12.040] see, and I think already in Las Vegas will probably be, I don't have any insight, this is just me thinking forward, but I think we will see LED lights, drone lights, stuff
[01:16:12.040 -> 01:16:18.620] like that implemented in city events like Formula 1 where you could basically say, if
[01:16:18.620 -> 01:16:24.440] you took a picture of Singapore from the air and just put an LED line on each side of the
[01:16:24.440 -> 01:16:25.520] track, that would look
[01:16:25.520 -> 01:16:29.960] beautiful or it could follow the drive or something like that. I think we will
[01:16:29.960 -> 01:16:32.600] see stuff like that maybe on the wheels as well in the future.
[01:16:32.600 -> 01:16:38.840] On the Vegas thing, I just I cannot get behind Vegas. I think if you think Miami
[01:16:38.840 -> 01:16:44.000] didn't feel like it had much of a vibe going on about this year, there is no one
[01:16:44.000 -> 01:16:45.160] who's going to be... I can no one who's going to be,
[01:16:46.360 -> 01:16:49.960] I can't believe there's going to be any vibe
[01:16:49.960 -> 01:16:51.400] around that Vegas track this year.
[01:16:51.400 -> 01:16:53.460] It's going to be just full of billionaires
[01:16:53.460 -> 01:16:56.640] who have rinsed out a lot of stuff, probably for corporate,
[01:16:56.640 -> 01:16:58.980] and they're all gonna be drinking and talking business
[01:16:58.980 -> 01:17:02.020] and gambling, rather than actually watching the race.
[01:17:02.020 -> 01:17:04.920] Don't forget Liberty just opened their main office
[01:17:04.920 -> 01:17:06.060] in Las Vegas.
[01:17:06.060 -> 01:17:09.400] And this is part of the Liberty office.
[01:17:09.400 -> 01:17:11.480] This is gonna be like the main office
[01:17:11.480 -> 01:17:13.700] for Formula One in the world.
[01:17:13.700 -> 01:17:16.000] So yes, it's gonna be a lot of all the things
[01:17:16.000 -> 01:17:17.680] Alex don't want,
[01:17:17.680 -> 01:17:21.560] but it could be a one of a kind unique thing.
[01:17:22.480 -> 01:17:24.160] I have open eyes.
[01:17:24.160 -> 01:17:27.880] I hope it's not one of those things. And the thing is, it's going to be late enough in the season and away from
[01:17:27.880 -> 01:17:32.480] the other street tracks that it might not be so jarring. And I've banged this drum far
[01:17:32.480 -> 01:17:37.200] too much. But yes, if you put Miami and Baku and Monaco all within four races, and now
[01:17:37.200 -> 01:17:47.840] it's worked out within three races. And I think with the China cancellation, that means that five out of the first six Grand Prix are going
[01:17:47.840 -> 01:17:51.820] to be street tracks. That's not good. That's not good for the brand. By the time we get
[01:17:51.820 -> 01:17:58.460] to Las Vegas, we will already have had a, you know, the European leg and Montreal. So
[01:17:58.460 -> 01:18:02.300] we'll get to Las Vegas and it will feel maybe like a novelty. And that's maybe what it should
[01:18:02.300 -> 01:18:06.840] be. So space them out and I'll have less of a problem, Christian.
[01:18:06.840 -> 01:18:11.360] The reason why they're going to do that is because then they can travel to a region,
[01:18:11.360 -> 01:18:17.340] free races, new region, free races in the future. That is the perspective of the schedule
[01:18:17.340 -> 01:18:23.560] for the future. And I think that's going to do some street track noise for you.
[01:18:23.560 -> 01:18:26.080] You've got your finger on the pulse of F1 as a
[01:18:26.080 -> 01:18:32.160] business. Stefano Dominicali, who is the head of the voice of Liberty Media
[01:18:32.160 -> 01:18:37.360] right now, he is absolutely adamant. He's saying F1 are going nowhere, we're not
[01:18:37.360 -> 01:18:41.880] selling to our Saudi Arabian friends, we are here for the long term. Obviously you
[01:18:41.880 -> 01:18:49.760] can't help but think, oh that's just corporate speak. You'd never go, to be honest lads, we're phoning it in until we get a bid that we can accept.
[01:18:49.760 -> 01:18:54.160] But Liberty to me, I do feel like they've got a commitment to Formula 1. I feel like they've
[01:18:54.160 -> 01:19:00.400] got a plan, but I do feel like that plan is money-centric and it's not always what's going
[01:19:00.400 -> 01:19:05.480] to be the best Grand Prix week to week. Is anything not money?
[01:19:05.480 -> 01:19:06.640] No, I know.
[01:19:06.640 -> 01:19:07.640] I'm naive.
[01:19:07.640 -> 01:19:08.640] I'm an idealist.
[01:19:08.640 -> 01:19:09.640] Is it when you're...
[01:19:09.640 -> 01:19:10.720] Go on.
[01:19:10.720 -> 01:19:15.640] If everything was just money spanners, I'm pretty sure we would see negotiations with
[01:19:15.640 -> 01:19:19.080] the Saudis about the 20 billion thing.
[01:19:19.080 -> 01:19:21.480] But I think Liberty is...
[01:19:21.480 -> 01:19:22.920] They know what they're doing.
[01:19:22.920 -> 01:19:27.440] Just look at what they're doing. Just look at what they're doing. Just since last year, they went off 6%.
[01:19:27.440 -> 01:19:32.320] I mean, 6% in this business world in one year is a lot.
[01:19:32.320 -> 01:19:35.120] So Liberty knows what they're doing.
[01:19:35.120 -> 01:19:38.840] But if it wasn't money, there'd be no sprint races.
[01:19:38.840 -> 01:19:42.320] The sprint races are completely driven by eyeballs equals money.
[01:19:42.320 -> 01:19:43.520] Eyeballs equals money.
[01:19:43.520 -> 01:19:44.520] That's why they're doing that.
[01:19:44.520 -> 01:19:49.560] Go on, go. Defend sprint races. I can't believe you've come to this. Go on then.
[01:19:49.560 -> 01:19:55.600] I will do it shortly in three sentences. I'm active Friday, I'm active Saturday, I'm active
[01:19:55.600 -> 01:19:56.600] Sunday.
[01:19:56.600 -> 01:19:57.600] I'm at work Friday.
[01:19:57.600 -> 01:19:58.600] Yeah, school.
[01:19:58.600 -> 01:20:02.480] I want to watch qualifying on the Friday. I want to watch my qualifying when I'm free
[01:20:02.480 -> 01:20:03.480] and I'm not at work.
[01:20:03.480 -> 01:20:10.120] Yeah, then you can take it as. on the Friday I want to watch my qualifying when I'm free and I'm not at work. The majority of the working world works on Fridays and it causes a mess for the Grand
[01:20:10.120 -> 01:20:15.160] Prix and I think the thing that pees me off is people say oh you know if you have less
[01:20:15.160 -> 01:20:21.400] practice it jumbles up the order. No, if it's less practice the better teams move further
[01:20:21.400 -> 01:20:23.960] ahead and the worst teams move further behind.
[01:20:23.960 -> 01:20:25.600] If it wasn't about money,
[01:20:25.600 -> 01:20:28.060] if it was about providing great racing,
[01:20:28.060 -> 01:20:30.220] we'd be in Malaysia racing,
[01:20:30.220 -> 01:20:33.120] we'd be in Istanbul racing,
[01:20:33.120 -> 01:20:36.340] there we'd be at the Indian Grand Prix track,
[01:20:36.340 -> 01:20:37.180] we'd be there.
[01:20:37.180 -> 01:20:39.420] The Indian Grand Prix track was a good track,
[01:20:39.420 -> 01:20:40.740] no one went, it was a good track.
[01:20:40.740 -> 01:20:42.900] The guy who made that deal,
[01:20:42.900 -> 01:20:44.860] that did a lot of things he shouldn't have done
[01:20:44.860 -> 01:20:45.280] and he did it
[01:20:45.280 -> 01:20:46.560] with Bernier and stuff.
[01:20:46.560 -> 01:20:49.960] So basically it was never allowed to live.
[01:20:49.960 -> 01:20:53.720] Things like Malaysia is...
[01:20:53.720 -> 01:20:57.920] All I'm saying is the things we're talking about that has to work together are so big
[01:20:57.920 -> 01:21:04.080] so and the amount of money a city has to pay nowadays to host the race also doesn't really
[01:21:04.080 -> 01:21:05.100] pay well for a track
[01:21:05.100 -> 01:21:10.360] like Malaysia they don't have that kind of money. The failure for the Indian
[01:21:10.360 -> 01:21:15.760] Grand Prix was first of all it was built on a bog so most of it was sinking not
[01:21:15.760 -> 01:21:19.960] long after they built it but the plan was to build like a city around the
[01:21:19.960 -> 01:21:24.780] circuit and make it in a city circuit but because they built it it's like the
[01:21:24.780 -> 01:21:29.240] man who built his house on sand isn't it it just it just was never it was never
[01:21:29.240 -> 01:21:32.920] going to work but as a race circuit it was a good race circuit and there are I
[01:21:32.920 -> 01:21:37.280] mean I can't believe we don't go to Turkey if it was about racing if it was
[01:21:37.280 -> 01:21:42.440] about race if it was about racing Turkey is one of the best circuits that there
[01:21:42.440 -> 01:21:45.520] is and we should be there every single year.
[01:21:45.520 -> 01:21:49.280] It would not exist if it wasn't about money. That's the Bernie Trap.
[01:21:49.280 -> 01:21:50.720] Bernie owns it!
[01:21:50.720 -> 01:21:54.800] Yeah exactly, does Bernie own anything that doesn't involve making him richer?
[01:21:54.800 -> 01:21:57.040] That trap makes no money, that's why they don't go there.
[01:21:57.840 -> 01:22:04.400] Okay here's another one, if it was just about good racing or what was good for F1 and not just money,
[01:22:04.400 -> 01:22:05.280] someone tweeted this
[01:22:05.280 -> 01:22:12.020] and apologies because I can't remember the tag, but someone said, how come tracks struggle
[01:22:12.020 -> 01:22:19.040] to get upgraded to an A licence or whatever it is to be F1 graded, yet pretty much any
[01:22:19.040 -> 01:22:23.680] street track with closed in walls that is obviously inherently more dangerous can just
[01:22:23.680 -> 01:22:28.480] get thrown onto the calendar. So come on, how how come? How come? Money! Of course it's money! Catman, why can't
[01:22:28.480 -> 01:22:32.320] we have that South African Grand Prix that Lewis Hamilton wants? Why can't we have Watkins
[01:22:32.320 -> 01:22:38.480] Glenn make a comeback to Formula One? That's the juxtaposition. That is such a good question,
[01:22:38.480 -> 01:22:39.480] isn't it?
[01:22:39.480 -> 01:22:44.240] Yeah, absolutely. And there's no defending that they will pass a track like the Saudi
[01:22:44.240 -> 01:22:45.520] race, for example. The first
[01:22:45.520 -> 01:22:49.600] year we were worried that we would get blindsiding because they just couldn't see around the corners
[01:22:49.600 -> 01:22:56.160] if there was a crash. So yeah it's all about where can provide them the most eyeballs, the most money,
[01:22:56.160 -> 01:23:00.720] not even the most ticket sales. I don't think Liberty care about ticket sales, the promoters do,
[01:23:00.720 -> 01:23:05.440] but they're not going to necessarily make their decisions based on that
[01:23:05.440 -> 01:23:12.000] yeah it's like the crash that shumaka had in saudi last year was horrific awful awful crash the boy
[01:23:12.000 -> 01:23:18.560] was so so lucky to walk away from that without any any injuries you don't get that track you don't get
[01:23:18.560 -> 01:23:23.520] that crash at a proper track because you have the run-offs and you have all the different things and
[01:23:23.520 -> 01:23:25.200] you know i mean you
[01:23:25.200 -> 01:23:31.360] look at how safe things can and can't be look what happened to um joe at sylveston last year if that
[01:23:31.360 -> 01:23:37.680] had been a street circuit we're talking about car in the crowd with the you know a car in the crowd
[01:23:38.560 -> 01:23:47.280] that's just not acceptable and i just think so much of it is just that money making thing. And they
[01:23:47.280 -> 01:23:51.640] don't really care about the racing if they get people to the door.
[01:23:51.640 -> 01:23:52.640] Christian?
[01:23:52.640 -> 01:23:57.440] I think that is very harsh. I think Liberty cares a lot about the racing. I think if you
[01:23:57.440 -> 01:24:06.560] just look at how they upgraded the complete experience of Formula One, being that from your home, on your phone, on the
[01:24:06.560 -> 01:24:09.840] track, even aloud in the paddock club.
[01:24:09.840 -> 01:24:13.200] I mean, it's completely changed.
[01:24:13.200 -> 01:24:18.040] And that is, it's not drive to survive that changed Formula One, it's liberty that changed
[01:24:18.040 -> 01:24:19.040] Formula One.
[01:24:19.040 -> 01:24:24.720] By taking decisions that included Netflix and included a lot of things.
[01:24:24.720 -> 01:24:26.040] But if you remember Bernie,
[01:24:26.040 -> 01:24:29.200] the way you did business in the 90s and zeros was,
[01:24:29.200 -> 01:24:32.360] I have something of value, I'm gonna protect it
[01:24:32.360 -> 01:24:35.760] so no one can get it except from the one who pays me.
[01:24:35.760 -> 01:24:37.920] The way we do business nowadays,
[01:24:37.920 -> 01:24:41.280] I have something of value, I want everyone to have it.
[01:24:41.280 -> 01:24:42.440] And that is the difference.
[01:24:42.440 -> 01:24:44.160] Oh, sorry, Christian, I thought you'd stop there.
[01:24:44.160 -> 01:24:46.600] Just go ahead, Spence.
[01:24:46.600 -> 01:24:51.360] There is an argument I was trying to make that almost was against myself earlier, which
[01:24:51.360 -> 01:24:56.600] is, yeah, we all talk about, oh, well, Liberty are chasing an audience or whatever.
[01:24:56.600 -> 01:25:08.800] But we think that the overtakes shouldn't be the main thing that everyone worries about. Yet, Liberty Media have kind of, not ignored,
[01:25:08.800 -> 01:25:13.840] but they've gone, okay, I see what you're saying, old fans, but when we did it your
[01:25:13.840 -> 01:25:20.160] way, and there was no overtakes, and you got pleasure purely in the chase and the hunt,
[01:25:20.160 -> 01:25:25.440] and catching was one thing and overtaking was quite another, quote unquote, no one was
[01:25:25.440 -> 01:25:32.480] watching. I was just all you old fuddy duddies. And they have been vindicated by the by the
[01:25:32.480 -> 01:25:35.960] by the launch of popularity of Formula One because they said, well, actually, we are
[01:25:35.960 -> 01:25:39.080] going to make it about excitement. We are going to make it about drama. We are going
[01:25:39.080 -> 01:25:46.200] to try and manufacture overtakes. And that's when a huge audience uptake came in. And like you only have to look at,
[01:25:46.200 -> 01:25:53.520] obviously pay TV skews some of those viewing figures, but like you can see by the growth of
[01:25:53.520 -> 01:25:58.320] even an organisation like Missed Apex and the thousands of podcasts and YouTube channels that
[01:25:58.320 -> 01:26:06.300] have cropped around it, it has become a massive, massive ecosystem because they did that. So that kind of vindicates them a little
[01:26:06.300 -> 01:26:10.700] bit. Where they've gone wrong is then they've had these street circuits at the start of
[01:26:10.700 -> 01:26:15.320] each season for the last two years. And then the audience that they brought in with a kind
[01:26:15.320 -> 01:26:20.340] of social contract that, hey, come watch F1 because there's overtakes. Verstappen goes
[01:26:20.340 -> 01:26:25.720] wild, pushes Hamilton off for every turn at Imola, at Brazil, and it's just
[01:26:25.720 -> 01:26:30.800] let them race and wham bam, thank you ma'am. And then they're greeted with the start
[01:26:30.800 -> 01:26:36.560] of 2022 and 2023 and they go, hey, this is not what you sold us on. So in a way, I think
[01:26:36.560 -> 01:26:41.280] like we're all wrong. Liberty Media were correct in the way they went about it because
[01:26:41.280 -> 01:26:46.160] the numbers prove it. And also the fans complaining about things being boring
[01:26:46.160 -> 01:26:48.520] are also correct because they were sold
[01:26:48.520 -> 01:26:49.840] on something different.
[01:26:49.840 -> 01:26:51.560] And I'm arguing against myself
[01:26:51.560 -> 01:26:54.840] and every point I've made over the last three years.
[01:26:54.840 -> 01:26:57.160] No matter what you take and make,
[01:26:57.160 -> 01:27:00.120] it's such a success that Formula One has become.
[01:27:00.120 -> 01:27:02.000] You will always have a backlash.
[01:27:02.000 -> 01:27:06.480] It is, you can't have wet without dry. You can't have black without
[01:27:06.480 -> 01:27:12.480] white. If I have a lot of success, you will have a lot of expectations and that will eventually lead
[01:27:12.480 -> 01:27:19.760] to somewhat of a failure, at least from some perspective. We wanted overtakings. If you have
[01:27:19.760 -> 01:27:25.720] a race with not enough overtakings, everyone will go, why no overtakings? I will never watch Formula One again.
[01:27:25.720 -> 01:27:28.160] I've watched it since I was 12 with my dad.
[01:27:28.160 -> 01:27:30.200] This will be my last race.
[01:27:30.200 -> 01:27:33.120] Reply, Reddit, that kind of stuff.
[01:27:33.120 -> 01:27:38.160] And of course, Liberty's social media personnel reads through these and they don't go like,
[01:27:38.160 -> 01:27:40.280] okay, this guy won't, well, let's contact him.
[01:27:40.280 -> 01:27:44.400] They don't go like that, but they of course look at the trends.
[01:27:44.400 -> 01:27:50.040] And if everyone talks about overtaking, that will be something that will be on their radar,
[01:27:50.040 -> 01:27:53.880] but they will not go and take a race like Baku and say, let's change stuff.
[01:27:53.880 -> 01:27:55.080] That is completely off the radar.
[01:27:55.080 -> 01:27:58.920] They had done everything they can to make it more entertaining for us.
[01:27:58.920 -> 01:28:01.640] One thing they can't control is the tires.
[01:28:01.640 -> 01:28:05.760] That is still a thing that we can't, as a viewer, you can't see what is going on with
[01:28:05.760 -> 01:28:09.680] the tire. That is one thing they haven't communicated yet. I don't think they ever will.
[01:28:10.240 -> 01:28:14.480] And then there is the- Sorry, what did you say? Sorry. Problem with what?
[01:28:15.200 -> 01:28:21.840] A problem with communicating what status of the tire. Didn't you say tires? Go!
[01:28:22.640 -> 01:28:24.720] How is that clipboard not accessible?
[01:28:25.000 -> 01:28:27.000] Tires! Go! How is that clipboard not accessible?
[01:28:30.000 -> 01:28:32.000] I'm not used to doing live, you know. You're not used to doing live? You're a radio DJ!
[01:28:32.000 -> 01:28:35.000] You were a radio presenter for years!
[01:28:35.000 -> 01:28:39.000] Is this live? Why didn't anyone tell me?
[01:28:39.000 -> 01:28:42.000] I think actually maybe I used the last one.
[01:28:42.000 -> 01:28:45.120] Okay, make one up.
[01:28:45.120 -> 01:28:45.960] This is the,
[01:28:48.200 -> 01:28:50.560] Formula One tires are called black gold.
[01:28:50.560 -> 01:28:53.360] This is a very, very, I'm so sorry.
[01:28:53.360 -> 01:28:55.520] I'm gonna, okay, I'm just cutting off my mouth.
[01:28:55.520 -> 01:28:56.400] All right, I'll get one.
[01:28:56.400 -> 01:28:57.640] I'll get one.
[01:28:57.640 -> 01:28:59.840] The tires come out of the blank.
[01:28:59.840 -> 01:29:02.240] New tires are shiny because they are pressed
[01:29:02.240 -> 01:29:07.680] in a chrome mold, and that's why they come out shiny.
[01:29:07.680 -> 01:29:11.040] Oh there we go. Ah you got me Spanners.
[01:29:12.800 -> 01:29:15.920] Usually you never crumble under live conditions but you got me.
[01:29:15.920 -> 01:29:19.120] Wow I waited so long for you to stop talking before I
[01:29:19.120 -> 01:29:26.800] pressed that bumper and you still managed it. Okay, last question. This has been fun and or garbage, I can't tell.
[01:29:26.800 -> 01:29:31.000] You tell us by telling us at feedback at mistapex.net.
[01:29:31.000 -> 01:29:33.600] You can email me spanners at mistapex.net.
[01:29:33.600 -> 01:29:35.360] Go and follow my crew.
[01:29:35.360 -> 01:29:37.440] In fact, Christian has just gotten off Twitter.
[01:29:37.440 -> 01:29:38.680] So don't follow him.
[01:29:38.680 -> 01:29:40.520] I think you've just shut your Twitter account.
[01:29:40.520 -> 01:29:41.760] You've had enough.
[01:29:41.760 -> 01:29:44.280] Follow me on the street if you meet me, that's all.
[01:29:44.280 -> 01:29:48.320] Okay, I will put his home address in the show notes.
[01:29:48.320 -> 01:29:58.200] Alex Vanjean, that's G-no, J-J. G-double E-N. V-A-N-G-double E-N.
[01:29:58.200 -> 01:30:03.040] Okay. You can follow me on YouTube, on Facebook, not on Facebook, don't follow me on Facebook,
[01:30:03.040 -> 01:30:05.760] on Twitter or on TikTok.
[01:30:05.760 -> 01:30:08.440] My latest TikTok video is my nearly eight-year-old daughter
[01:30:08.440 -> 01:30:09.280] solving a Rubik's Cube.
[01:30:09.280 -> 01:30:10.400] Oh, yeah.
[01:30:10.400 -> 01:30:14.200] And I'm trying to do some more simulator content,
[01:30:14.200 -> 01:30:18.320] F1, not F1, iRacing content.
[01:30:18.320 -> 01:30:19.400] I filmed a video today,
[01:30:19.400 -> 01:30:21.000] but it was quite a boring second place,
[01:30:21.000 -> 01:30:24.480] but I was in constant peril, so maybe I'll put it up.
[01:30:24.480 -> 01:30:29.280] And then, obviously, very much looking forward to miss some missed apex simulator racing
[01:30:29.280 -> 01:30:32.600] excellent and that does mean of course that he does have a Facebook account he
[01:30:32.600 -> 01:30:38.240] just regrets telling you about it. Catman, you are at Catman F1 on Twitter so go
[01:30:38.240 -> 01:30:48.720] and follow him. Our last question is from Stuart Neil who who says, side pods, disgust. Okay, so the Mercedes update, as I discussed
[01:30:48.720 -> 01:30:54.880] with Kyle, I think people were sort of disappointed Mercedes fans not to see what they could come
[01:30:54.880 -> 01:31:00.480] armed with at the Imola Grand Prix. And then obviously we think that those upgrades, we're
[01:31:00.480 -> 01:31:05.560] not really going to see what they can do at Monaco, because Monaco is representative
[01:31:05.560 -> 01:31:11.420] of parking, if nothing else, especially during qualifying these days.
[01:31:11.420 -> 01:31:17.980] But one interesting point to note here is a new story that I saw on silverarrows.net,
[01:31:17.980 -> 01:31:29.200] and it was quoting an interview where it says Stefano Dominicali, sorry to keep you up Alex, the F1 CEO wants
[01:31:29.200 -> 01:31:38.280] Hamilton to stay and says Mercedes will improve very, very soon. Now, I'm not a psychology
[01:31:38.280 -> 01:31:46.560] person, I'm not a mind reader, but if I had an inside scoop, which I'm sure that Stefano Domenicali has,
[01:31:46.560 -> 01:31:50.240] and Mercedes were kind of saying, yeah, we think we're going to get something pretty good by the
[01:31:50.240 -> 01:31:55.920] end of the season, and in 2024, we're going to come out fighting, I would have said, soon. I
[01:31:55.920 -> 01:32:02.240] would have said Mercedes will improve soon. That's what I'd have said. If they were going to, if I'm
[01:32:02.240 -> 01:32:05.680] going to add a very, I would say maybe that means,
[01:32:05.680 -> 01:32:11.680] you know, in in the next six or seven races, a package and series of upgrades will bring
[01:32:11.680 -> 01:32:16.960] something to the fore. But he chose to say Mercedes will improve very, very soon. It's
[01:32:16.960 -> 01:32:22.120] interesting language, Alex. And I think that's to fit Stefano Dominicali dealing with the
[01:32:22.120 -> 01:32:27.840] media side of things. I think they will be desperate for someone
[01:32:27.840 -> 01:32:31.840] to come up and quote unquote, save them from Red Bull,
[01:32:31.840 -> 01:32:34.160] because at the moment they are facing a backlash
[01:32:34.160 -> 01:32:36.000] about Red Bull domination.
[01:32:36.000 -> 01:32:39.720] Well, he is in charge of the PR side of things.
[01:32:39.720 -> 01:32:43.520] So maybe it's just to make sure Mercedes fans
[01:32:43.520 -> 01:32:44.680] actually tune in.
[01:32:46.760 -> 01:32:51.040] Probably doesn't know anything about what's going on with that car maybe I am absolutely
[01:32:51.040 -> 01:32:59.080] flat-out refusing to build up any height to get my hopes up I am I want to be
[01:32:59.080 -> 01:33:04.920] pleasantly surprised I their biggest issue I think is properly drag as we've
[01:33:04.920 -> 01:33:06.960] seen a lot of these fast circuits with lots
[01:33:06.960 -> 01:33:13.120] of straight line stuff they've been rubbish Lewis Hamilton isn't happy with the car I think George
[01:33:13.120 -> 01:33:20.520] is just pleased not to be in a Williams which is why he's doing very well and I yeah I'm refusing
[01:33:20.520 -> 01:33:25.520] to believe they've got anything coming I think as Matt said in the show the other day,
[01:33:26.600 -> 01:33:28.480] I don't think side pods are going to come
[01:33:28.480 -> 01:33:31.160] because I don't think side pods are the issue.
[01:33:31.160 -> 01:33:36.160] It's a bit like when all the Red Bull mechanics
[01:33:38.080 -> 01:33:40.440] used to stand behind the Red Bull
[01:33:40.440 -> 01:33:42.680] when it had its double diffuser
[01:33:42.680 -> 01:33:46.400] and all its fancy blown diffuser stuff and it was actually
[01:33:46.400 -> 01:33:50.400] loads of other bits on the car at the front that no one was actually looking at so i don't believe
[01:33:50.400 -> 01:33:56.080] that's the issue um i just i hope it comes but i'm not getting my hopes up it's really interesting
[01:33:56.080 -> 01:34:01.520] from the article that you took that it was uh about the quality of the mercedes upgrade because i
[01:34:01.520 -> 01:34:06.640] i saw this as a please lew, we need you to stay because otherwise…
[01:34:06.640 -> 01:34:07.280] Ah, yes.
[01:34:07.280 -> 01:34:14.160] F1 is tanked, essentially. So, you know, I didn't actually even think about the aspect of whether
[01:34:14.160 -> 01:34:21.440] they believe, whether Domenico knows anything about Mercedes' upgrades, more about maybe how
[01:34:21.440 -> 01:34:26.080] he sees Lewis in the paddock, dejected, down, not wanting to do interviews,
[01:34:26.080 -> 01:34:29.040] this sort of thing, maybe is actually giving more
[01:34:29.040 -> 01:34:31.960] of a temperature gauge on his mindset
[01:34:31.960 -> 01:34:34.360] than anything else that's not necessarily coming out
[01:34:34.360 -> 01:34:35.200] from anywhere else.
[01:34:35.200 -> 01:34:38.560] So I, yeah, and look, as someone who gets accused
[01:34:38.560 -> 01:34:40.860] of, oh, you're Hanfose, you hate Verstappen,
[01:34:40.860 -> 01:34:46.980] this, what I'm about to say, isn't going to help that at all. But I think that
[01:34:46.980 -> 01:34:52.940] Lewis Hamilton is like massively popular. Like when you look at American fans and the
[01:34:52.940 -> 01:34:58.140] UK fans, which are two massive audiences, Lewis Hamilton is massively, massively popular.
[01:34:58.140 -> 01:35:03.600] And I think a Lewis Hamilton win would be, from a PR point of view, it would be a huge
[01:35:03.600 -> 01:35:05.720] shot in the arm for F1.
[01:35:05.720 -> 01:35:10.640] And I would be really, really surprised if they weren't actively hoping for that.
[01:35:10.640 -> 01:35:14.240] And that wouldn't be a good outcome for them.
[01:35:14.240 -> 01:35:19.840] And I think when you come to looking at Verstappen's rise in popularity,
[01:35:19.840 -> 01:35:29.200] I think that F1 and society at large might have overestimated Max Verstappen's broad popularity.
[01:35:29.200 -> 01:35:34.400] So obviously in the Netherlands he's going to be very, very popular. And there's obviously,
[01:35:34.400 -> 01:35:39.680] there was a huge anyone but Hamilton crowd, which I completely sympathize with,
[01:35:39.680 -> 01:35:44.880] because even as a Hamilton fan, it was starting to go, how long are they going to let this go
[01:35:44.880 -> 01:35:45.400] on for?
[01:35:45.400 -> 01:35:47.680] Because there's kind of been a big regulation change
[01:35:47.680 -> 01:35:50.040] that they dominated, a half regulation change
[01:35:50.040 -> 01:35:51.560] that didn't help.
[01:35:51.560 -> 01:35:54.840] And then they still look to be on top in 2021,
[01:35:54.840 -> 01:35:58.080] even when they specifically, controversial,
[01:35:58.080 -> 01:36:01.360] but definitely specifically changed the regulations
[01:36:01.360 -> 01:36:04.800] to go away from advantaging the low profile,
[01:36:04.800 -> 01:36:06.960] low rake, longer wheelbase car.
[01:36:06.960 -> 01:36:15.920] So there's definitely a case for fans who wanted a change to be Verstappen fans.
[01:36:15.920 -> 01:36:21.120] And those fans before them, a lot of them were Vettel fans, a lot of them were Rosberg fans,
[01:36:21.120 -> 01:36:29.040] because when a driver's dominating, it's perfectly natural for people to look for the new champion, you know, the new hope, if you like, that's going to come
[01:36:29.040 -> 01:36:34.880] through and change things up a little bit. But I think the media and Formula One was
[01:36:34.880 -> 01:36:42.800] also swayed by the Max Verstappen fan base being incredibly effective, mobilized and
[01:36:42.800 -> 01:36:48.480] vocal. And I mean this broadly as a compliment. You guys, you
[01:36:48.480 -> 01:36:54.880] Max Verstappen guys, you swarmed media. You made TV think that everyone was thinking about
[01:36:54.880 -> 01:37:01.200] Max Verstappen, that everyone wanted Max Verstappen to win. The second anyone criticized Max Verstappen,
[01:37:01.200 -> 01:37:09.600] they were swarmed upon. And I will be completely honest with you, there was a period, there was a time, I think in 2020, it might be 2021, I forget. There was
[01:37:09.600 -> 01:37:16.000] a time where I was made physically ill. I felt physical illness symptoms from the weight
[01:37:16.000 -> 01:37:21.240] of abuse from Max Verstappen fans. And I really did feel that pressure at one point. Like
[01:37:21.240 -> 01:37:25.760] I had a physical gut reaction and I didn't realise what it was and I was
[01:37:25.760 -> 01:37:29.600] wondering and then I linked the two and it was like, wow, I've been swarmed and bombarded
[01:37:29.600 -> 01:37:33.680] by Verstappen fans so much that it's had a physical effect on me.
[01:37:33.680 -> 01:37:38.160] And I heard people on TV, they would try to criticise Verstappen and they'd caveat it
[01:37:38.160 -> 01:37:41.320] and they'd go, no, no, no, we're not saying he's not a good driver, but he is crashing
[01:37:41.320 -> 01:37:42.320] into everyone.
[01:37:42.320 -> 01:37:46.520] And that was in like 2017, 2018. So Lewis
[01:37:46.520 -> 01:37:51.000] Hamilton fans are very intense as well. Like a Lewis Hamilton fans, they will not let go
[01:37:51.000 -> 01:37:55.000] of an argument and they will want to debate you and they will want the last word and they
[01:37:55.000 -> 01:38:00.880] will go on forever. But the Verstappen fans have been the best, quote, the best fan base,
[01:38:00.880 -> 01:38:05.600] Alex, in that they have just been very very effective and in that I
[01:38:05.600 -> 01:38:10.160] think Verstappen's reach and popularity has been overrated by the officials and
[01:38:10.160 -> 01:38:16.760] overrated by media. So very quickly on the ham foci and cult Verstappen
[01:38:16.760 -> 01:38:21.000] whatever they're called these days the Twitter arguments between the pair of
[01:38:21.000 -> 01:38:28.880] them is ridiculous childish of course misinformed and awful and misrepresents
[01:38:28.880 -> 01:38:36.280] the majority of the fans of both of those entities. And people will say the
[01:38:36.280 -> 01:38:40.680] Hamilton fans are worse, people will say the Verstappen fans are worse. I feel the
[01:38:40.680 -> 01:38:46.040] Hamilton fans feel worse at the moment because they have had to go and defend their man for the
[01:38:46.040 -> 01:38:53.200] last two years where the Max fans can just throw jibes in from the outside because Max has won
[01:38:53.200 -> 01:39:01.000] the last two seasons and Lewis has got a chance at the moment. So that's my take on that. I think
[01:39:01.000 -> 01:39:05.120] the problem with regards to F1 having Max the champion at the moment
[01:39:05.120 -> 01:39:08.320] is despite, listen again I'm not going to talk about how good he is on the track.
[01:39:08.320 -> 01:39:12.160] Oh no he's amazing, he's amazing. We know how amazing he is on the circuit, however I just
[01:39:12.160 -> 01:39:18.080] don't think he's much of a poster boy for the sport because he leaves the track, he goes home
[01:39:18.640 -> 01:39:28.480] with his girlfriend and his stepdaughter, warm glass of milk. And sits on his Sim. Now, for me, that sounds like my life, perfect life.
[01:39:28.480 -> 01:39:31.200] But I'm not an international sports star
[01:39:31.200 -> 01:39:36.000] who is the main man in the formula
[01:39:36.000 -> 01:39:39.880] who needs to be to present the sport.
[01:39:39.880 -> 01:39:42.200] And I don't think Max does a good job
[01:39:42.200 -> 01:39:46.080] at supporting the sport that is his platform, where Max does a good job at supporting the sport that is his platform,
[01:39:46.080 -> 01:39:51.280] where Lewis does a good job. Now, people might not care, or people who are big fans will say,
[01:39:51.280 -> 01:39:58.080] oh, I don't care about what they do off the sport. But the sport does care. It does matter to have a
[01:39:58.080 -> 01:40:05.680] good champion. And I think Bernie used to moan about Matt, um, Seb not being great as the
[01:40:05.680 -> 01:40:10.900] champion of the sport because he had zero presence when he wasn't at the racetrack.
[01:40:10.900 -> 01:40:13.320] And that's not good for the PR of the sport.
[01:40:13.320 -> 01:40:15.420] Lewis Hamilton, he's at the Met Gala.
[01:40:15.420 -> 01:40:16.300] He's at this event.
[01:40:16.300 -> 01:40:17.040] He's at that event.
[01:40:17.040 -> 01:40:20.360] He's doing all these different things that are things that he wants to do.
[01:40:20.420 -> 01:40:26.720] He's not doing it for Formula One, but because he is visible and he is in the world domain,
[01:40:27.280 -> 01:40:33.760] that promotes Formula One. And Max doesn't do that. Yeah, but look at where Vettel is now.
[01:40:33.760 -> 01:40:40.560] Everyone wants to be Vettel. He is doing the thing, you could say. I want to add that
[01:40:41.120 -> 01:40:46.160] Verstappen is doing exactly what he should do if you're 22 and you look
[01:40:46.160 -> 01:40:47.680] up to your Formula 1 champion.
[01:40:47.680 -> 01:40:53.280] He's sitting at home in his Sim setup or he's at the track doing laps around the entire
[01:40:53.280 -> 01:40:54.280] field.
[01:40:54.280 -> 01:40:58.200] He is, I'm not trying to debate if he's a good driver or anything.
[01:40:58.200 -> 01:41:02.800] I'm just saying, I don't think it's the right way to view it because Hamilton is in his
[01:41:02.800 -> 01:41:04.960] mid and 30s.
[01:41:04.960 -> 01:41:05.760] He's completely different
[01:41:05.760 -> 01:41:10.480] lifestyle. He thinks about life in a completely different manner, where for Stappen's life has
[01:41:10.480 -> 01:41:19.200] just begun basically. And he's actually being a dad for his girlfriend's kid. And he's also doing
[01:41:19.200 -> 01:41:25.320] sim and he's doing Formula One. The only things I think he's actually doing in life. So I would
[01:41:25.320 -> 01:41:28.840] argue that he's doing exactly what a world champion should do.
[01:41:28.840 -> 01:41:32.440] He's doing exactly what a world champion at his age should be doing, but he's not doing
[01:41:32.440 -> 01:41:36.200] what F1 as a sport would want him doing.
[01:41:36.200 -> 01:41:49.560] Very true, but he will eventually if he doesn't leave the sport before that. But I would say in regards to Hamilton's markability and formal liberties and the value of having
[01:41:49.560 -> 01:41:54.480] Hamilton around, I'm fairly sure also in regards to the things we talked about before with
[01:41:54.480 -> 01:41:59.120] Liberty Media looking at the so-me trends and stuff like that, I'm fairly sure the team
[01:41:59.120 -> 01:42:08.880] knows exactly how much a Lewis Hamilton eighth title is worth and how important that is to Formula 1.
[01:42:09.600 -> 01:42:15.280] Yeah, from a money point of view. So I hoped this wouldn't need clarifying, but just to be sure,
[01:42:15.280 -> 01:42:21.840] obviously I was talking at the extreme ends of both fan bases. There's a lot of perfectly neutral
[01:42:21.840 -> 01:42:26.880] Lewis Hamilton fans and a lot of very calm and knowledgeable and inactive
[01:42:27.600 -> 01:42:32.480] Verstappen fans as well. I was of course talking about the extremes. Do you want me to sit here and
[01:42:32.480 -> 01:42:38.080] spend five minutes caveating every point or can we have a shortcut where we grant each other some
[01:42:38.080 -> 01:42:45.400] common sense? Catman? Yeah, I was just going to say about the partisan nature of Formula One that it didn't always used to be thus.
[01:42:45.400 -> 01:42:52.840] So I went to Silverstone in 2010 and I sat in the arena grandstand with one of my friends,
[01:42:52.840 -> 01:42:58.000] we'll call him Derek for shortness, but he knows who he is.
[01:42:58.000 -> 01:43:01.480] And he was an avid Ferrari fan, kitted out in all the stuff.
[01:43:01.480 -> 01:43:06.000] I was kitted out in all the Lewis gear with a flag wrapped around me.
[01:43:06.520 -> 01:43:10.160] And we were jumping up and down and getting really excited together.
[01:43:10.160 -> 01:43:13.600] And someone turned around and said, how can you guys be friends?
[01:43:13.600 -> 01:43:15.040] You support opposite teams.
[01:43:15.040 -> 01:43:18.880] And I said, I was absolutely flabbergasted by that.
[01:43:18.880 -> 01:43:21.800] I couldn't work out what they meant.
[01:43:22.000 -> 01:43:27.520] And then it has evolved into that sort of partisan nature. It's sad in a way.
[01:43:28.400 -> 01:43:32.880] But very on point for sport. Another clarification possibly here, Maria says,
[01:43:32.880 -> 01:43:38.400] why does Max Verstappen need to be a Liberty poster boy? He doesn't. He absolutely doesn't.
[01:43:38.400 -> 01:43:42.880] I don't think me or Alex were making that point at all. His lifestyle is, actually,
[01:43:42.880 -> 01:43:45.840] seems fairly wholesome. It really does. I want that lifestyle.
[01:43:45.840 -> 01:43:49.200] Yeah, yeah, yeah. And go and go and watch him doing, you know, streaming with,
[01:43:49.200 -> 01:43:53.360] with Redline Racing. It's all, it's all very, very good. And go on, Alex.
[01:43:54.000 -> 01:43:59.840] To be fair, Max Verstappen, the, the sim racing streamer, I like that Max Verstappen.
[01:44:00.400 -> 01:44:03.440] It's unfortunately that Max Verstappen doesn't turn up at the Grand Prix.
[01:44:04.480 -> 01:44:08.680] So we weren't doing that. We are specifically in this case talking about the motivations
[01:44:08.680 -> 01:44:15.240] and what would be the motivation of Liberty of F1 and what they need. I genuinely do believe
[01:44:15.240 -> 01:44:19.680] that should Hamilton turn around and pick up a few wins from a business point of view,
[01:44:19.680 -> 01:44:31.960] I think that will benefit F1. And I think they would be mindful of that. I'm not saying they're going to throw well-timed red flags or sneak them in a brown paper envelope the DRS specs
[01:44:31.960 -> 01:44:37.920] of Red Bull. I'm just saying I reckon that's what they'll be hoping for. Christian?
[01:44:37.920 -> 01:44:43.280] I was streaming about tyres and just wondering what MED is doing in New York.
[01:44:43.280 -> 01:44:48.480] No more tyre facts. You haven't got any left and I think that nicely sums up the end of the show.
[01:44:48.480 -> 01:44:54.320] An hour and 45 minutes of news chat but I just, to be honest, I was enjoying hanging out with my friends
[01:44:54.320 -> 01:44:57.720] and I hope that you're enjoying listening to Missed Apex podcast.
[01:44:57.720 -> 01:45:02.680] All the links that we've talked about today will magically appear in the show notes below
[01:45:02.680 -> 01:45:08.960] and I think we're going to have some midweek content in the form of a magazine show for you during the week and then Jonno
[01:45:08.960 -> 01:45:13.000] is gonna come and sit in and take you through the delights of the Monaco
[01:45:13.000 -> 01:45:18.040] Grand Prix on Sunday. There will be a Patreon pod on Friday as well. So lots to
[01:45:18.040 -> 01:45:22.400] look forward to but wherever we see you next, work hard, be kind and have fun.
[01:45:22.400 -> 01:45:47.000] This was Missed Apex Podcast. Oh no.
[01:45:47.000 -> 01:46:02.600] Okay, so normally Matt sits and diligently looks for a comment of the week, but I haven't
[01:46:02.600 -> 01:46:04.760] done that or assigned anyone to do it.
[01:46:04.760 -> 01:46:07.440] So what I'm going to do, oh, Alex has got two.
[01:46:07.440 -> 01:46:08.280] I got two.
[01:46:08.280 -> 01:46:10.000] I was literally gonna just read out
[01:46:10.000 -> 01:46:12.640] the last comment that I read, which was,
[01:46:12.640 -> 01:46:14.560] it's Mark's, and Mark says,
[01:46:14.560 -> 01:46:17.000] and I know he's Northern, so I can do this.
[01:46:17.000 -> 01:46:18.960] It's a circular relationship.
[01:46:18.960 -> 01:46:20.840] Ideally, the sport makes you a star,
[01:46:20.840 -> 01:46:23.440] and then you carry that and grow the sport more
[01:46:23.440 -> 01:46:30.080] with your profile. It's true, but not funny. No No but... So I've got Mike Stoner who said Brad isn't on the
[01:46:30.080 -> 01:46:40.040] show because he's busy trying to shave 0.00000001 second off his time at Le Mans. Or Paddy who
[01:46:40.040 -> 01:46:45.800] said did Stroll's injury quantum leap and make him crap for the last years before?
[01:46:45.800 -> 01:46:47.000] So that's worth noting,
[01:46:47.000 -> 01:46:48.160] and I should have plugged this,
[01:46:48.160 -> 01:46:49.580] curses, but I will on Tuesday,
[01:46:49.580 -> 01:46:51.580] that a lot of the Mist Apex crew will be running
[01:46:51.580 -> 01:46:55.480] in a virtual 24-hour race on iRacing at Le Mans,
[01:46:55.480 -> 01:46:58.020] so check out Mist Apex Motorsports channel,
[01:46:58.020 -> 01:46:59.800] which also will be linked in the show notes below,
[01:46:59.800 -> 01:47:03.080] and you can join us for 24 hours of sim racing.
[01:47:03.080 -> 01:47:04.800] I have been practicing as much as I can,
[01:47:04.800 -> 01:47:05.120] and i am
[01:47:05.120 -> 01:47:10.520] pathetic i am gonna let down my team but uh what's the second comment you can't do it
[01:47:10.520 -> 01:47:16.520] you're on holiday holiday yeah no i i i have serious fomo but at least i'll be in lanzarote
[01:47:16.520 -> 01:47:22.520] having fomo so it's fine um no the second one was paddy's which was did strolls injury
[01:47:22.520 -> 01:47:25.840] quantum leap and make him crap for the years before too?
[01:47:27.120 -> 01:47:31.920] No, I'm not, you know what, I'm in charge, I'm overruling it, I'm giving it to Mark with,
[01:47:31.920 -> 01:47:37.520] it's a circular relationship, ideally the sport makes you a star, and then you, and then you,
[01:47:37.520 -> 01:47:41.760] let's slow it down, and then you carry that, listen it, listen up you, listen up our kid,
[01:47:42.480 -> 01:47:45.000] then you carry that and grow the sport more
[01:47:45.000 -> 01:47:46.640] with your profile.
[01:47:46.640 -> 01:47:48.960] And he, cause I'm mocking it,
[01:47:48.960 -> 01:47:50.600] wanna say that Mark is the curator
[01:47:50.600 -> 01:47:53.360] of the Laurel and Hardy Museum
[01:47:53.360 -> 01:47:55.080] in the Peak or Lake District.
[01:47:55.080 -> 01:47:56.480] I always get those two mixed up.
[01:47:56.480 -> 01:47:57.640] Laurel and Hardy Museum,
[01:47:57.640 -> 01:48:00.280] if you're going walking in the Peak or Lake District,
[01:48:00.280 -> 01:48:03.040] wherever that is, it's in the north.
[01:48:03.040 -> 01:48:04.560] So if you're gonna go to the north
[01:48:04.560 -> 01:48:07.600] and I see no reason why you should, go and check out that museum.
[01:48:07.600 -> 01:48:17.680] And that's how the show ends sometimes. To be honest, giving Matt a week off might have
[01:48:17.680 -> 01:48:22.120] been a mistake, because I was looking at the schedule ahead, and I just I said, Matt, we've
[01:48:22.120 -> 01:48:27.340] got and Catman had coincidentally said oh, I'm free now I would say is that is that a direct dig at me?
[01:48:29.200 -> 01:48:32.540] You were like to me the grown-up so yeah, I said to Matt I said
[01:48:32.540 -> 01:48:39.000] I think it's wise like looking at his schedule as well because he has got a job with the three-button pipe thing
[01:48:39.000 -> 01:48:43.380] And I said to him right take Sunday off so that you can take a you know a long blow
[01:48:43.600 -> 01:48:49.280] But really I think we've shown where he does an unwritten job which is that he can't
[01:48:49.280 -> 01:48:52.960] imagine if he was on this show like Christian would have fallen asleep in
[01:48:52.960 -> 01:48:55.600] between Matt's time monologues there wouldn't have been the clipboard
[01:48:55.600 -> 01:49:02.240] nonsense I think Matt would have saved that. So basically what you're saying is
[01:49:02.240 -> 01:49:11.560] the only thing Matt is good for is comment of the week? Oh, comment of the week and I think he distracts us. I think he makes us all feel like we're meant to be more serious.
[01:49:11.560 -> 01:49:13.760] That's what I think, Alfred. And he's not here.
[01:49:13.760 -> 01:49:20.760] To be fair, the chat has been very serious tonight. It hasn't been a jokey chat. They've been really getting into our questions, which is good, I guess.
[01:49:20.760 -> 01:49:26.000] That's good. We've had to bring some levity. If you expected me to be not sarcastic.
[01:49:26.000 -> 01:49:27.000] You call that levity?
[01:49:27.000 -> 01:49:28.000] That was chaos.
[01:49:28.000 -> 01:49:29.000] Pure chaos.
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