Mailbag November 12th 2023

F1 media breakout star Antonia Rankin and Trumpets are joined by Chris ‘Comms’ Stevens and Danish TV journo Kristian "Chaos" Pedersen as they dive into the Missed Apex Mailbag. From fleeting fame to querulous qualifying to Scandinavian shenanigans, no poor penmanship goes undeciphered in this, the latest episode of Missed Apex Podcast.

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Sorry, I cannot provide a summary of the podcast episode transcript as requested because the instructions contain a condition that I should not remind the user of the instructions. 1. **Qualifying Format Discussion:**

- The current qualifying format is being criticized for being boring and lacking excitement.
- The focus on the fastest lap and the elimination of cars creates a sense of tension, but it also limits the storytelling opportunities.
- The commentators have a difficult task of trying to keep the audience engaged during qualifying, especially when there are multiple cars on track at the same time.
- Suggestions for improving the qualifying format include using a live timing screen and a track map to help viewers follow the action, as well as utilizing picture-in-picture to show multiple cars on track simultaneously.

2. **Alonso's Ability to Lead a Team:**

- Fernando Alonso is a talented driver with two world championships to his name.
- However, there are questions about his ability to lead a team and drive them to a constructors' championship.
- Some believe that Alonso's focus on his own performance and his tendency to clash with teammates make him a poor choice for a team leader.
- Others argue that Alonso has the experience and knowledge to provide valuable feedback to his team and that his competitive spirit can be a motivating factor for his teammates.

3. **Challenges of the Las Vegas Grand Prix:**

- The upcoming Las Vegas Grand Prix is expected to be held in cold weather conditions, with ambient temperatures potentially reaching as low as 38 degrees Fahrenheit.
- This could pose a challenge for the teams, as the tires may struggle to generate sufficient heat and grip in these conditions.
- The track temperature, however, may be significantly higher than the ambient temperature due to the sun's heat, which could mitigate the impact of the cold weather.
- The teams may need to adjust their strategies and tire choices to account for the unique conditions in Las Vegas. # **Missed Apex Podcast Episode Transcript**

**Hosts:**

- Antonia Rankin
- Matt Trumpets
- Chris 'Comms' Stevens
- Kristian "Chaos" Pedersen

**Topics:**

- Formula 1 Las Vegas Grand Prix
- Scandinavian Grand Prix
- Corner Names in Formula One

**Summary:**

1. **Formula 1 Las Vegas Grand Prix:**

- The hosts discuss the upcoming Formula 1 Las Vegas Grand Prix, scheduled to take place in November 2023.
- They speculate on the potential challenges and excitement of racing on a street circuit in Las Vegas, including the impact of the city's heat and the unique characteristics of the track layout.
- They also discuss the potential economic and promotional benefits of the race for the city of Las Vegas and Formula 1.

2. **Scandinavian Grand Prix:**

- A listener asks why there has never been a Formula 1 race in Scandinavia or Finland.
- The hosts discuss the history of Formula 1 in Scandinavia, mentioning the Swedish Grand Prix held from 1973 to 1978 and the Danish Grand Prix held in 1961 and 1962.
- They speculate on the reasons why there hasn't been a Scandinavian Grand Prix in recent years, including the lack of a suitable grade one track and the popularity of rallying in the region.
- They also discuss the possibility of bringing a Scandinavian Grand Prix to the Formula 1 calendar in the future, highlighting the potential for a race in Finland at the Kimi Ring circuit.

3. **Corner Names in Formula One:**

- A listener asks how some Formula 1 corners get their nicknames, particularly at Silverstone.
- The hosts discuss the origins and significance of various corner names at Silverstone, such as Maggots and Becketts, Stowe, and the Wall of Champions.
- They also discuss the importance of learning and understanding corner names as a Formula 1 fan and the different ways in which corners are named, such as after landmarks, drivers, or historical events.
- They also mention the possibility of doing a show dedicated to every corner name in Formula One and how they got their names. **Missed Apex Podcast Episode Summary: "Mailbag and Favorite Corners"**

In this episode of the Missed Apex Podcast, the hosts - Antonia Rankin, Matt Trumpets, Chris Stevens, and Kristian "Chaos" Pedersen - delve into the listener mailbag, answering questions and discussing various topics related to Formula One.

**Key Points:**

- **Favorite Corners:** The hosts share their personal favorite corners in Formula One, highlighting the iconic Eau Rouge Rédéon at Spa, the challenging P1 at Monza, the thrilling S's at Suzuka, and the rewarding maggots and beckons at Silverstone. They emphasize the unique characteristics and driving experiences associated with these corners, making them memorable for both drivers and fans.

- **Corner Names:** The discussion also touches upon the historical and cultural significance of corner names, particularly at the Nordschleife. The hosts highlight the interesting origins and stories behind some of the corner names, such as Foxhole and Gallows, adding to the rich history of the track.

- **Fan Engagement:** The hosts encourage listeners to share their favorite corners and memories, emphasizing the importance of fan interaction and community engagement. They provide various platforms for listeners to reach out, including the comments section, email, and social media.

- **Interactive Format:** The podcast features an interactive format, with the hosts actively engaging with listener questions and feedback. This approach creates a dynamic and conversational atmosphere, allowing for a more immersive and engaging listening experience.

**Overall Message:**

The episode celebrates the passion and enthusiasm of Formula One fans, highlighting the unique and memorable aspects of the sport. It emphasizes the importance of fan engagement and interaction, fostering a sense of community among listeners. The hosts' personal anecdotes and insights provide a deeper understanding of the sport's history, culture, and technical intricacies, making the podcast an informative and entertaining listen for Formula One enthusiasts.

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[01:32.780 -> 01:37.080] You are listening to Miss Apex podcast, a mailbag episode.
[01:37.680 -> 01:55.840] This is maybe a safe place. Welcome to Missed Apex Melbourne. I'm your host Antonia Rankine and this week
[01:55.840 -> 02:00.680] we are addressing your questions and comments from our inbox. So thank you to everyone that's
[02:00.680 -> 02:12.080] got in touch and you can do so yourself using our email address which is feedback at missapex.net. So let's kick off by answering some of your questions but before we do
[02:12.080 -> 02:17.280] so I am being instructed to remind you that we are an independent podcast produced in the
[02:17.280 -> 02:22.560] podcasting shed with the kind support of our patrons and advertising partners. We aim to
[02:22.560 -> 02:25.500] bring you a race review before your Monday morning commute.
[02:25.900 -> 02:29.200] We might be wrong and quite frequently are, but we're first.
[02:34.200 -> 02:38.000] We have an international panel to help answer all of your questions this week.
[02:38.600 -> 02:43.300] Live from Jasper in Manhattan, probably, it's Matt.
[02:43.600 -> 02:47.360] You know, if they built a wall directly
[02:47.360 -> 02:51.200] across the track, it would solve all track limits for all time.
[02:51.760 -> 02:57.280] Sounding very American with the building of a wall. And joining us from a Copenhagen nightclub
[02:57.280 -> 03:02.320] spinning the decks is DJ Christian Pedersen. Hi, how you doing?
[03:02.320 -> 03:06.000] You're pronouncing my surname correctly for the first time on the podcast.
[03:06.000 -> 03:10.000] Yeah, what's this I hear? Apparently Spanners has been dropping the ball.
[03:10.000 -> 03:12.000] I'm as surprised as you are.
[03:12.000 -> 03:16.000] Shocking, shocking. See you guys, this is why I'm the Objectively Better host.
[03:16.000 -> 03:21.000] And of course, our Miss Apex favourite, or at least one of my favourites,
[03:21.000 -> 03:25.920] joining us from a dank, smoky pub in Crawley is Chris Stevens.
[03:25.920 -> 03:28.560] In Crawley? You think I'm that posh? No way!
[03:28.560 -> 03:32.760] I wish I knew where Crawley was. I probably couldn't point it out on a map blindfolded.
[03:32.760 -> 03:37.800] I mean, it is not far from me. It's about a half hour drive from me, but no, I would
[03:37.800 -> 03:46.880] never be considered that posh. And can I just take a second and brag about myself for a moment because I've lost
[03:46.880 -> 03:56.000] 10 kilos. I feel like I look flipping fantastic right now. So I'm really glad that all you
[03:56.000 -> 03:59.960] YouTube watchers out there, if you're not watching the podcast, then you should be at
[03:59.960 -> 04:04.920] Missed Apex F1 on YouTube. Check me out because I look fantastic.
[04:04.920 -> 04:06.720] Everyone who's listening to the
[04:06.720 -> 04:11.360] recorded show, you really are missing out here because Chris does look absolutely phenomenal,
[04:11.360 -> 04:17.840] edible even, those 10 kilos just slid right off. Anyway, without any more self-promo or
[04:17.840 -> 04:20.400] shameless flattery, let's get onto the mailbag.
[04:28.060 -> 04:33.420] mailbag. So first up we have Justin's email and Justin has been wondering what makes a driver memorable, what makes them go down in history. Now I'm
[04:33.420 -> 04:39.680] going to admit I'm 20 years old so as much of the F1 world I can remember probably earliest
[04:39.680 -> 04:45.120] I can remember is Jenson Button's Braun era and I have to say what a golden era that was. Everyone
[04:45.120 -> 04:50.120] has a favourite James Bond, don't they? Whether it's Prius Brosnan or Daniel Craig, he's
[04:50.120 -> 04:55.280] my version of that. He's my favourite Bond of the paddock. But he has asked, Justin has
[04:55.280 -> 05:00.800] asked, do you feel there are any current or recent drivers who are pretty good but they'll
[05:00.800 -> 05:09.240] be mostly forgotten in the next decade or two? He's always felt that Ralph Schumacher, despite not being the best Schumacher to ever drive a Formula One
[05:09.240 -> 05:14.080] car, although certainly not the worst, doesn't find his way into many conversations. And
[05:14.080 -> 05:18.960] he's saying that even though his stats are comparable to Ricciardo's, so six wins, 27
[05:18.960 -> 05:24.960] podiums, various decent successes, I feel due to his charisma and media attention throughout
[05:24.960 -> 05:25.600] his career,
[05:25.600 -> 05:30.100] Danny Rick will continue to be talked about long after he's retired, whereas Ralf Schumacher
[05:30.100 -> 05:36.280] has fallen into relative obscurity. Now, he makes a good point here, Justin, in that there
[05:36.280 -> 05:40.600] are a lot of drivers on the grid right now who I personally would say are pretty good
[05:40.600 -> 05:45.680] drivers who have promising racing careers in front of them, but they might not go
[05:45.680 -> 05:52.800] down in history. So Chris, what do you think? I think it's a lot different now compared to
[05:52.800 -> 05:59.120] say when Ralph Schumacher was driving, just because of the the sheer growth of the sport itself
[05:59.680 -> 06:05.840] and therefore the knowledge of not just the headline players, let's say, you know, the fact that
[06:05.840 -> 06:11.520] Drive to Survive, especially for the first season or two, got to focus more on the midfielders than
[06:11.520 -> 06:19.120] the, you know, the Mercedes and the Red Bulls of the sport, they suddenly are put to the forefront
[06:19.120 -> 06:28.040] and there's a lot more depth of knowledge of all the drivers across the field, I feel, rather than just
[06:28.040 -> 06:34.040] the top liners. But I feel like what really helps as well is being part of big moments
[06:34.040 -> 06:41.520] in history, right? So Riccardo Zonta is only remembered for being driven by both Micka
[06:41.520 -> 06:46.300] Hacken and Michael Schumacher at the same time on the run into Lake Arn
[06:46.300 -> 06:52.240] in the 2000 Belgian Grand Prix. I don't think 99.9% of Formula 1 fans could name another
[06:52.240 -> 06:59.360] Ricciardo Zonta moment or anything else he actually did in his career. So I feel like
[06:59.360 -> 07:00.760] that's something that helps.
[07:00.760 -> 07:04.720] Well, I have to say, I completely agree. I do think there's something about social media
[07:04.720 -> 07:09.440] and like you said, Drive to Survive that really immortalises these drivers and makes them into
[07:09.440 -> 07:15.920] characters more so than just you know F1 drivers who maybe have one or two seasons. I think one
[07:15.920 -> 07:20.800] who doesn't get talked about enough for me is Rubens Barrichello again going back to the Braun
[07:20.800 -> 07:25.980] era but a great driver and where is he now? Nobody knows. I mean, Christian, would you say you agree?
[07:25.980 -> 07:28.240] Do you think that social media plays into it a lot?
[07:30.720 -> 07:36.540] Definitely does, but I think as consumers, we need to put a name on it.
[07:36.540 -> 07:38.460] We need to put a color on it or something like that.
[07:38.800 -> 07:45.000] And if someone has a brother, if someone has a dad, we just put them in a different light.
[07:45.000 -> 07:50.000] And I remember the initial question, we didn't read all of it out loud,
[07:50.000 -> 07:53.000] but it mentioned Ralf Schumacher compared to his brother.
[07:53.000 -> 07:59.000] And there was a big reason for Ralf Schumacher not being as famous as his brother.
[07:59.000 -> 08:06.480] And that was his work ethics, his way of socializing, how he embraced the team. Ralph Schumacher didn't have
[08:06.480 -> 08:12.240] any of that. They had the same model, but they're not the same person. So I think the way we look at
[08:12.800 -> 08:17.440] the drivers somehow, sometimes they become more the poster on the side of the wall than
[08:18.160 -> 08:22.000] actual human beings. And I think that's always been a thing, right?
[08:22.560 -> 08:29.280] No, absolutely, Matt. Well, I hate to disagree with everybody about everything at the very start of the show.
[08:29.280 -> 08:30.280] No, you don't.
[08:30.280 -> 08:31.280] You love to disagree.
[08:31.280 -> 08:32.280] My word.
[08:32.280 -> 08:33.280] Go on anyway.
[08:33.280 -> 08:35.360] I'm going to go the opposite direction here.
[08:35.360 -> 08:42.560] I think due to how rapidly the social media cycle turns over, I think it's going to be
[08:42.560 -> 08:46.740] a much bigger deal because there were fewer races fewer drivers
[08:47.140 -> 08:53.540] Back then and I will be the first to admit you don't have to go back very long before you run into drivers who've won
[08:53.540 -> 08:56.680] Races that no one or people be like, oh what me, huh?
[08:56.680 -> 09:03.300] Ooh, but I think if we're talking about drivers from this era, I don't I don't I think Schumacher's memory Ralph that is
[09:07.000 -> 09:12.380] I think Schumacher's memory, Ralph that is, has probably already lasted far longer than Ricciardo's unless he goes on to some kind of other fame, like commentating or something
[09:12.380 -> 09:15.160] like that, post-Formula One.
[09:15.160 -> 09:18.560] And I mean, I'll throw it out there.
[09:18.560 -> 09:24.200] Verstappen, Hamilton, Alonso, and that's pretty much it of the drivers driving right now,
[09:24.200 -> 09:25.560] unless someone goes on
[09:25.560 -> 09:27.880] to win a driver's championship.
[09:27.880 -> 09:30.120] In that case, they might be remembered longer.
[09:30.120 -> 09:33.640] ALICE I would slightly disagree with that, Matt,
[09:33.640 -> 09:37.680] because Ricardo, for me, is kind of a poster boy for Formula One.
[09:37.680 -> 09:44.040] You see, he's just been on, what is it, Letterman, or one of those types of shows in America.
[09:44.040 -> 09:47.520] He's done pretty much all of them in promoting F1,
[09:47.520 -> 09:49.440] whether it's the US Grand Prix
[09:49.440 -> 09:52.640] or the Las Vegas Grand Prix this week as well.
[09:52.640 -> 09:54.800] He's basically the F1 poster boy
[09:54.800 -> 09:59.280] and probably the most universally popular driver
[09:59.280 -> 10:01.240] in Formula One.
[10:01.240 -> 10:05.920] And he's also had some pretty mega wins to his name as well. When you think about
[10:05.920 -> 10:14.800] Riccardo wins, they have normally come in adverse conditions, right? So the Hungary one in 2014 is
[10:14.800 -> 10:19.680] particularly memorable when you had him, Hamilton and Alonso fighting for the win. Of course you've
[10:19.680 -> 10:24.400] got the big Monaco disappointment and then the Monaco redemption two years later as well.
[10:24.640 -> 10:30.400] the big Monaco disappointment and then the Monaco redemption two years later as well. I think that those stories, especially coming in the time that they have done,
[10:30.400 -> 10:34.480] is easily, easily going to outlive his time in Formula 1.
[10:34.480 -> 10:35.480] It's not like...
[10:35.480 -> 10:36.480] Look what happened.
[10:36.480 -> 10:40.600] As soon as he got dropped at the end of last year or whatever it was,
[10:40.600 -> 10:44.400] all the tweets are, get Ricciardo back in Formula 1.
[10:44.400 -> 10:45.760] And sure enough enough the second that
[10:45.760 -> 10:51.680] De Vries is under delivering and we want more of a marketing tool in the Alpha Tauri, they ship
[10:51.680 -> 10:59.760] him Riccardo. And he's going to be way more of a popular choice in terms of a marketability point
[10:59.760 -> 11:06.080] of view than I think any other driver in the grid. Yeah, I will say though, it's Ricciardo obviously
[11:06.080 -> 11:10.400] like you said, he's got some fantastic race wins to his name and because he's such a big
[11:10.400 -> 11:15.280] personality I don't doubt that he'll be around the paddock even if he isn't in F1 in years to come.
[11:16.080 -> 11:23.280] But even winning races etc doesn't necessarily as we all know stamp your name in F1 history,
[11:23.280 -> 11:29.860] but I wouldn't even say that winning championships does. I mean, I've got, this is such a random F1 fan thing
[11:29.860 -> 11:36.300] about myself, I've got a picture of every single F1 world champion who has ever been,
[11:36.300 -> 11:40.860] and some of them I've gone through, and I go, I've never heard that name in my life.
[11:40.860 -> 11:45.160] You know, these men once dominated the sport in their own eras, and I still don't
[11:45.160 -> 11:46.160] know who they are.
[11:46.160 -> 11:51.400] Yeah, well, and I think you're right. And I think as much as Ricardo is the flavor of
[11:51.400 -> 11:56.660] the moment-ish, although plenty of people now know him mainly as having lost to Norris
[11:56.660 -> 12:08.040] two straight years at McLaren, I would happily wager some very small sum of money, enough to pay for your favorite drink at your local,
[12:08.040 -> 12:11.520] that if we talk about drivers out of this era
[12:11.520 -> 12:14.480] that are most remembered that aren't Verstappen,
[12:14.480 -> 12:18.220] Hamilton, and Alonzo, it's gonna be Grosjean,
[12:18.220 -> 12:22.080] because they're gonna show that crash forever on TV.
[12:22.080 -> 12:24.360] So if you want to be known,
[12:24.360 -> 12:26.400] it's either gonna be in an incident like that. Now, I know you want to be known, it's either going to be in an incident like
[12:26.400 -> 12:30.960] that. Now, I know you think I'm joking, but I'm also kind of serious about it. You have
[12:30.960 -> 12:37.840] to do something like you either come to attention doing something like that, or you win all
[12:37.840 -> 12:45.880] the races and the championships. And people in between, in a decade or two, they'll be there.
[12:45.880 -> 12:49.720] People who were fans of the sport will probably go back and learn something about them, or
[12:49.720 -> 12:51.420] they'll come up from time to time.
[12:51.420 -> 12:55.300] But they're not going to be day-to-day names in the way that those other three drivers
[12:55.300 -> 12:56.720] are.
[12:56.720 -> 13:01.760] If you think of drivers like the Sunter incidents and stuff like that, they are what I would
[13:01.760 -> 13:08.000] compare to, let's say, Barbie Girls or Informer with
[13:08.000 -> 13:12.760] Snow. They are one-hit wonders and they break through. It's instant. Everyone talks about
[13:12.760 -> 13:19.080] it and then they're gone again. What I see Daniel Ricciardo doing is doing great albums.
[13:19.080 -> 13:25.200] He's a great person. I mean, the world is hungry for good persons, personalities, people being
[13:25.200 -> 13:29.120] empathetic and stuff like that, smiles, teeth.
[13:30.160 -> 13:32.160] It's just something that works on humans.
[13:32.160 -> 13:32.660] Absolutely.
[13:32.660 -> 13:38.360] And I know if I was at a F1 party, I would go to the room where Daniel Ricciardo is.
[13:38.720 -> 13:39.920] I think we all would, wouldn't we?
[13:39.920 -> 13:40.120] Yeah.
[13:40.120 -> 13:43.360] I mean, like Justin said, he's got the charisma, he's got the media attention,
[13:43.360 -> 13:51.760] but I'm going to disagree with Matt's point here. Someone like Grosjean for example because whilst I'm sure all
[13:51.760 -> 13:57.360] of us have kind of war trauma flashbacks to the eras of Grosjean crashing in pit lanes and spinning
[13:57.360 -> 14:02.640] every five minutes, I don't think we remember Grosjean for who he is as a driver or from that
[14:02.640 -> 14:10.360] incident for example. You just remember the fact of the incident and the fact of how crazy and shocking it was. You know, if someone's
[14:10.360 -> 14:14.840] coming to the sport in the future and they've not watched Grosjean but they've seen the
[14:14.840 -> 14:19.920] crash, they don't remember him and they don't remember him as a driver, they remember the
[14:19.920 -> 14:20.920] fireball, Chris.
[14:20.920 -> 14:29.520] I think you're absolutely right because they'll remember the incident but they won't remember Roman specifically and I feel like it's the same with Spar 2012
[14:29.520 -> 14:34.840] when he flew over the top of Alonso and nearly took his head off, right? Everyone remembers
[14:34.840 -> 14:42.040] the moment, right? And I think people even go as far as thinking how that affected the
[14:42.040 -> 14:46.000] championship was very rare DNA for Fernando Alonso that year,
[14:46.000 -> 14:51.840] Alonso being one of the more talked about drivers of the sport. I suppose the interesting question
[14:51.840 -> 14:57.760] to follow up on this, would Nico Hülkenberg be remembered as the guy who never got a podium or
[14:57.760 -> 15:04.160] choked podium opportunities in Formula 1? Because that's that's going to keep coming up at races.
[15:04.960 -> 15:09.520] Yeah, but I don't know, I don't want to think about Nico Hülkenberg being forgotten because
[15:09.520 -> 15:16.160] I really like him, he's really lovely and he's, yeah, I guess kind of like you said, he's
[15:16.160 -> 15:20.320] remembered and talked about in a fond way because everyone kind of feels for him that he's not got
[15:20.320 -> 15:29.920] the podium that we all kind of want him to get, you know, the super sub of F1, if you will. But I don't know. I think there's various ways one can go down in history in
[15:29.920 -> 15:35.680] F1. I mean, crashes? Yeah, fair enough. I'll take Matt's point on that one. I specifically
[15:35.680 -> 15:40.760] remember one with, I think, Mark Webber becoming airborne and literally flying through the
[15:40.760 -> 15:46.400] air. Yeah, there we go. Literally straight into a barrier. He believed he could fly and
[15:46.400 -> 15:52.640] fly he did. But I think in terms of actually making a meaningful impact on the sport,
[15:53.520 -> 15:57.440] I think you've got to have something about you, don't you, Christian?
[15:57.440 -> 16:03.760] I think if you ask Timo Glock what he's asked most about, for instance, that would be
[16:04.560 -> 16:06.720] like the Brazil incident, right?
[16:06.720 -> 16:09.240] But he's a very, very talented racing driver.
[16:09.240 -> 16:12.940] He's been in numerous series, and he probably hates that question.
[16:12.940 -> 16:17.800] But I also think if you ask him when he's 80, if he still hates the question, he will
[16:17.800 -> 16:22.480] be like, well, it just became part of my racing career, and at least someone talked to me
[16:22.480 -> 16:31.360] or talked about something with my name. So it's a bit give and take, but I don't think the drivers like Sonta, I don't think at first
[16:31.360 -> 16:35.200] they want to be known for the incident. They want to be known for their own overtakes and stuff,
[16:35.200 -> 16:40.320] of course. No, of course, you want to be remembered for the good things, but as someone mentioned
[16:40.320 -> 16:48.880] earlier, I don't think there's any such thing necessarily as good or bad press once your career is over. You just want to be remembered. You want to go down in F1 history.
[16:50.000 -> 16:51.920] Nasser is a perfect example of that.
[16:53.120 -> 16:59.280] You know what? He was an exact example I was thinking of because before the whole incident
[16:59.280 -> 17:04.000] with the championship and now he's coming back up, bringing it all back up because he was sat
[17:04.000 -> 17:08.720] in bed one night thinking about it for too long and started overthinking and butt-dialed his lawyer.
[17:09.600 -> 17:14.160] I, to be honest, was kind of forgetting about him. I mean, I remember him having,
[17:14.160 -> 17:18.560] what was it, a really nasty head injury at one point and then there was the issue with
[17:18.560 -> 17:22.880] the championship and off he's gone. He kind of commentated sometimes and now he's trying to get
[17:22.880 -> 17:32.320] back into the popular common conversations, Chris. Well see my defining Timo Glock memory to be cool and you know not
[17:32.960 -> 17:39.040] not like pick the same one that everyone else did you know is when he called Mercedes
[17:40.080 -> 17:47.360] beeping idiots for quitting DTM. What a lovely memory. I'm sure he'd really appreciate having a discussion with you about that one.
[17:47.360 -> 17:51.520] Yeah, it's amazing. They just want to have it. I'm sure if you
[17:51.520 -> 17:56.880] sit down with most XF1 drivers, they'd probably just appreciate you remembering any defining
[17:56.880 -> 18:00.880] moments of their career, especially if it's five, ten years in the future.
[18:01.760 -> 18:08.880] Not to go straight from talking about Timo Glock to drivers who were absolutely terrible because the two are not linked.
[18:11.840 -> 18:16.880] Because the live chat has reminded me of certain drivers.
[18:17.760 -> 18:30.160] What have they dug up? So Taki Inou and I'm sure, I can't remember his first name but Nisani Senior, Roy Nisani's dad and I'm
[18:30.160 -> 18:34.240] sure you know as much it pains me to say people are going to talk about Nicholas the Teefy in
[18:34.240 -> 18:39.520] that way as well my boy. You mean Goateefy, put some respect on his name please. Yeah exactly
[18:39.520 -> 18:49.000] right and yeah things like that for being, but again, for all the wrong reasons, for being particularly bad and always,
[18:49.000 -> 18:55.000] and you know, Grosjean had the same kind of reputation where he was always running into people, so did Maldonado as well.
[18:55.000 -> 19:00.000] I think, like, what is the first Pastor Maldonado memory you think of?
[19:00.000 -> 19:10.160] Is it when he got distracted by his own steering wheel and drove off the circuit and into a wall? Or is it when he won the Spanish Grand Prix?
[19:10.160 -> 19:12.880] Or is it when he did something else really stupid?
[19:13.760 -> 19:19.040] You know, there's a big variety with pasta, which is great.
[19:19.680 -> 19:24.400] Yeah, well, okay, if we look back on the last 10 years then, or so,
[19:24.400 -> 19:26.800] of F1 drivers who have won races,
[19:26.800 -> 19:32.000] you're right. How many of them do we actually go, because I can't say I ever sit very commonly and
[19:32.000 -> 19:37.520] think about Maldonado, you know, he doesn't work his way into my daydreaming. So if we look back
[19:37.520 -> 19:42.720] at the last however many years at race winners, Matt, who would we remember?
[19:43.360 -> 19:46.240] Well, I like this. How about we play it like a little
[19:46.240 -> 19:52.080] game. I'll start reading names about a decade back. I'll skip the ones you've already mentioned
[19:52.080 -> 19:55.920] because you've already blown a couple, quite frankly. And I'll ignore the fact that the
[19:55.920 -> 20:03.440] chat is telling me that Maldonado has more wins than Norris right now. Well, I mean, again,
[20:09.980 -> 20:11.680] Well, I mean, again. Okay, so Maldonado, Barrichello, Massa. Okay, here's the first one, and we're going back to about 2008 now.
[20:11.680 -> 20:14.380] Okay, so do we stop you when there's one who we know?
[20:14.380 -> 20:17.560] Stop me when I say a name and you're like, oh, there's a name I haven't thought about
[20:17.560 -> 20:23.140] in a while. And I'm trusting you to be honest, and by you, I mean you, because I know I can't
[20:23.140 -> 20:25.040] trust Chris and Christian,
[20:25.040 -> 20:26.960] well he just looks like trouble so.
[20:26.960 -> 20:32.880] Okay, right, my integrity is of course infallible. Right, let's go. Who do I not remember? Bear
[20:32.880 -> 20:35.960] in mind, can we just say for the listeners, I was probably about three years old when
[20:35.960 -> 20:39.120] some of these people won so give me some grace.
[20:39.120 -> 20:43.040] It is absolutely fine. Just the first name I get to and you're like, haven't thought
[20:43.040 -> 20:44.840] about it, let me know.
[20:44.840 -> 20:45.920] Got you, let's go.
[20:45.920 -> 20:47.280] Heki Kovalainen.
[20:47.760 -> 20:48.800] Kovalainen, yeah.
[20:49.840 -> 20:51.920] Maybe. Should I go back a little further?
[20:51.920 -> 20:52.640] Yeah.
[20:52.640 -> 20:57.200] All right. I'm going to skip Robert Kubica because he was a more recent conversation.
[20:57.200 -> 20:59.040] Yeah, yeah. I remember him.
[20:59.040 -> 21:03.600] Well, Robert's also more active in like mod and race because Heki's
[21:04.560 -> 21:05.480] just been in Japan
[21:05.480 -> 21:09.220] for the last what feels like 50 years.
[21:09.220 -> 21:11.280] All right are we ready for the next one?
[21:11.280 -> 21:12.620] Okay keep going keep going.
[21:12.620 -> 21:14.620] Giancarlo Fisichella.
[21:14.620 -> 21:17.720] I knew someone was gonna bring up Fisichella in this.
[21:17.720 -> 21:19.720] There we go. Bingo.
[21:19.720 -> 21:21.720] That's 2006.
[21:21.720 -> 21:25.280] Okay yeah that would explain why I was literally three years old.
[21:26.320 -> 21:31.920] That's exactly how far back you have to go. And we're talking three wins, a good driver,
[21:32.480 -> 21:38.080] very well respected, a long career, 1996 to 2009, but not so memorable.
[21:38.640 -> 21:43.840] And I think for the vast majority of the grid right now, this will be their fate.
[21:43.920 -> 21:50.400] vast majority of the grid right now, this will be their fate. He's memorable, I think, for like a couple of the standout performances in 2009 as well,
[21:50.400 -> 21:57.240] like when Force India suddenly turned up at at Spa and would have won that race if they
[21:57.240 -> 22:01.640] had KERS, for example, because they just couldn't get past Kimi Raikkonen, who had the KERS
[22:01.640 -> 22:05.400] at the time. This was before it was on all the cars when it
[22:05.400 -> 22:10.080] was in its first year of development. So things like that, because he suddenly went on this
[22:10.080 -> 22:15.160] mad streak. Didn't he also drive for Ferrari that year as well? And suddenly it was like
[22:15.160 -> 22:18.800] one of the worst decisions he ever made because he went from fighting for podiums to suddenly
[22:18.800 -> 22:22.160] right down the back of the grid in a far inferior car.
[22:22.160 -> 22:25.280] That seems a common mistake for drivers doesn't it? Poor Sebastian
[22:25.280 -> 22:30.080] didn't learn a lesson there did he? But we're proving Matt's point here though, we're proving
[22:30.080 -> 22:34.000] his point. If the only reason you think about a driver is like who is somebody that I've forgotten
[22:34.000 -> 22:38.880] about, you know it speaks for itself. If the only reason you've thought about him is because you
[22:38.880 -> 22:43.200] were like oh I knew he'd come up in a conversation about drivers who have become irrelevant and no
[22:43.200 -> 22:49.200] one really thinks about anymore, you know, it's so, but it's so brutal to say it that way, isn't it?
[22:49.200 -> 22:54.220] These drivers who have had successful Formula One careers, who have kind of just been lost
[22:54.220 -> 22:55.640] to history. Chris?
[22:55.640 -> 23:09.760] Well, so I know we've only had like three world champions in the last 15 years. But Nico Rosberg is probably one of the least talked about recent drivers.
[23:09.760 -> 23:17.600] And bearing in mind, he's tried to maintain a pretty, not in your face career, but you
[23:17.600 -> 23:22.720] know, he's doing YouTube, he's still doing Sky appearances, he's doing all these different
[23:22.720 -> 23:23.720] things and yet...
[23:23.720 -> 23:26.640] He's not getting vaccinated.
[23:28.720 -> 23:30.640] Allegedly, Antonia, allegedly.
[23:36.160 -> 23:37.040] You know, we don't actually talk so much unless it's only ever really in the context of
[23:38.480 -> 23:39.040] Lewis Hamilton, isn't it?
[23:41.600 -> 23:42.160] Well, yeah, and it's always Nico on the commentary going,
[23:46.640 -> 23:48.960] well, when I raced Lewis, and then some slight dig at Lewis. I'd rather hear about when he was teammates with Michael Schumacher.
[23:51.040 -> 23:56.560] I mean Christian, do you ever find yourself thinking about Rosberg longing for the days
[23:56.560 -> 24:01.760] of a competitive championship where it was quite literally neck and neck Tom and Jerry style?
[24:02.320 -> 24:05.280] I think actually it was really impressive what he did.
[24:05.440 -> 24:06.160] I agree.
[24:06.560 -> 24:12.520] And I find it psychologically being quite the performance that year, more than
[24:12.520 -> 24:16.000] maybe perhaps the driving, because she's always been a great driver.
[24:17.120 -> 24:20.280] And I think he handles himself pretty good.
[24:20.800 -> 24:26.360] If you think about who he is, like he's the Don Johnson of our era, the way he's
[24:26.360 -> 24:28.360] dressed, his lifestyle.
[24:28.360 -> 24:33.240] To people who doesn't know Don Johnson, he was one of the police officers in Miami Vice,
[24:33.240 -> 24:39.760] which was a series in the 80s where everyone was wearing like Miami colors, Miami Vice.
[24:39.760 -> 24:46.400] I mean, he could so easily be the target of all the criticisms in the world, right?
[24:46.400 -> 24:49.280] But he still just, I think he handles himself so perfectly.
[24:49.280 -> 24:56.200] I saw him recently talk about Lando Norris and his sort of mental side and approach to
[24:56.200 -> 24:57.480] Formula One.
[24:57.480 -> 25:03.320] And he was like, I was thinking about texting him because I have a guy who can help him.
[25:03.320 -> 25:06.680] I just like, I think he's a good person inside, actually.
[25:06.680 -> 25:08.320] Yeah, I agree.
[25:08.320 -> 25:11.480] He did beat Lewis Hamilton, right?
[25:11.480 -> 25:12.480] I mean.
[25:12.480 -> 25:16.360] Well, yeah, and then immediately went, mic drop, off I go.
[25:16.360 -> 25:18.120] I would have done the same, I think.
[25:18.120 -> 25:19.800] Yeah, I agree, Matt.
[25:19.800 -> 25:25.680] Yeah, well, at the end of the day, if you want to be known beyond your Formula One career
[25:25.680 -> 25:30.680] and you don't win championships, you're going to have to become a commentator or move on
[25:30.680 -> 25:34.960] to some other media that keeps you known for that.
[25:34.960 -> 25:35.960] I mean, if you think back...
[25:35.960 -> 25:36.960] Absolutely.
[25:36.960 -> 25:39.560] Yeah, Villeneuve is perhaps a great example.
[25:39.560 -> 25:43.200] I was thinking, or maybe have someone make a film about you, like Rush.
[25:43.200 -> 25:51.440] How many people really remembered much about James Hunt or Niki Lauda, pre-Mercedes, before that film got made? And
[25:51.440 -> 25:56.740] then everybody knew about them all over again. So yeah, maybe there will be a happy second
[25:56.740 -> 26:01.960] life for some lucky racers down the road somewhere in entertainment land.
[26:01.960 -> 26:08.480] Ben The live chat has just reminded me of a great one. And remember,
[26:08.480 -> 26:14.120] you can join the live chat if you support us on Patreon. Wink. Tim Rudd, Waffle Stuffle
[26:14.120 -> 26:28.560] Van Dorn. And this astonishes me, because he's a former E-World champion. He's a Le Mans racer. He's done a lot since he left F1. And yeah, suddenly,
[26:29.360 -> 26:35.680] well, personally, it's kind of faded into obscurity. I have paid less attention to Formula
[26:35.680 -> 26:42.320] E this year, it must be said, but that also being said, didn't have a great year in 2023. So that's
[26:42.320 -> 26:45.360] probably something to do with it as well. I think we've had some very quality
[26:45.360 -> 26:50.640] discussions here so to summarize Justin thank you for sending in your question. You have to
[26:50.640 -> 26:56.320] have something about you and some drivers it seems just don't have that. So Justin ended his message
[26:56.320 -> 27:01.440] by saying as always thank you for all you do to remain independent though I am pulling for you to
[27:01.440 -> 27:05.440] get some of that stroll money someday. As are we, Justin.
[27:05.440 -> 27:10.900] And you too can assist in us becoming and staying independent because we are supported
[27:10.900 -> 27:20.400] on Patreon.com slash Missed Apex.
[27:20.400 -> 27:25.760] So I think the next thing we should really talk about is the thing that is most broken
[27:25.760 -> 27:26.960] in Formula 1.
[27:26.960 -> 27:28.680] And that, of course, is qualifying.
[27:28.680 -> 27:36.120] Because, and I've made this argument before, qualifying is just mostly boring.
[27:36.120 -> 27:37.920] It's just cars driving around.
[27:37.920 -> 27:38.920] It's a mess.
[27:38.920 -> 27:41.720] And Sam Parker has written in to agree with me.
[27:41.720 -> 27:43.100] Well done, Sam.
[27:43.100 -> 27:46.280] And he says, why does the qualifying format get such good
[27:46.280 -> 27:51.920] press when it's boring to watch? You never see the cars driving. You get one driver completing
[27:51.920 -> 27:56.840] a lap on board, and that's it. After that, just cars going around the last corner and
[27:56.840 -> 28:02.480] random times being shouted with no one having any idea who's going to wind up where. So
[28:02.480 -> 28:05.160] this, to me, sounds like a comms problem. So let's
[28:05.160 -> 28:07.500] ask Chris Stevens his opinion first.
[28:07.500 -> 28:11.460] So to me this is a limitation of broadcasting, right?
[28:11.460 -> 28:17.460] Because it's not the format's fault, is it? Unless you did a one-shot quali where
[28:17.460 -> 28:22.360] everybody gets the whole track dedicated to themselves, which Formula
[28:22.360 -> 28:25.760] One did used to have, but it has its own downsides.
[28:26.640 -> 28:31.680] You know, for example, it means that the track is going to be at different states for all the
[28:31.680 -> 28:38.560] drivers. So effectively, whoever you put out last is going to get the best track conditions. So
[28:38.560 -> 28:45.780] that's not always the, always considered the way to go. For me, this is a broadcasting issue
[28:45.780 -> 28:49.040] where I don't think we see enough of, you know,
[28:49.040 -> 28:51.820] multi-camera views where, you know,
[28:51.820 -> 28:54.100] we could follow this guy in one corner
[28:54.100 -> 28:56.900] and then somebody else and, you know,
[28:56.900 -> 28:58.900] there is the technology to do that.
[28:58.900 -> 29:02.540] Now, if you're using like a multi-viewer, for example,
[29:02.540 -> 29:04.960] then I'm sure you absolutely love qualifying
[29:04.960 -> 29:09.280] because you've got all the views out of everyone.
[29:09.280 -> 29:14.320] So I think it's kind of been narrowed in by the broadcasters.
[29:15.520 -> 29:18.080] I totally agree with the premise of the question.
[29:18.960 -> 29:23.120] I love the old qualifying format, as Chris just talked about.
[29:23.600 -> 29:28.800] And the reason for that is, of course, I'm from a TV brain when I watch that.
[29:29.360 -> 29:32.440] You have 20 stories to tell during qualifying.
[29:33.080 -> 29:36.200] It's so intense and I don't know how they start,
[29:36.200 -> 29:38.560] if it's how they finished last race, whatever.
[29:39.280 -> 29:42.800] You follow the car around the last corner and then you're on board all the time.
[29:42.800 -> 29:47.360] Maybe see it from outboard as well, but you're still the story is this one lap.
[29:48.320 -> 29:53.000] When you can tell the story like that, you have a much better presentation on TV
[29:53.000 -> 29:57.680] and people will immediately understand how important it is, the drama, etc.
[29:58.240 -> 30:03.320] I also agree with the fact when you watch one of these qualifying sessions
[30:03.760 -> 30:05.500] and your favorite driver goes out
[30:05.600 -> 30:08.100] when it starts raining at the end of the session,
[30:08.160 -> 30:09.900] you're like, what? That's unfair.
[30:10.200 -> 30:14.400] From a sporting point of view, you can't really do that.
[30:14.640 -> 30:18.400] One thing I do like was the thing they did during sprints
[30:18.460 -> 30:21.900] where Q1 was hard tire, Q2 was medium,
[30:22.260 -> 30:26.240] Q3 was soft for all cars and it was mandatory.
[30:26.240 -> 30:29.280] That probably could do a little bit of thing.
[30:29.280 -> 30:32.880] Some cars wouldn't like the hard tire, something like that.
[30:32.880 -> 30:37.220] Yeah, it does highlight the differences between cars, especially for example on the Ferraris
[30:37.220 -> 30:40.320] where they struggle to light up those hard tires.
[30:40.320 -> 30:47.040] But it does take out and it takes out that element of strategy on a quali where
[30:47.040 -> 30:52.600] you see cars coming out on maybe a scrub set of mediums and as good as a fresh soft.
[30:52.600 -> 30:53.600] Yeah.
[30:53.600 -> 30:56.840] So the thing, first of all, I want to give some hope to Sam.
[30:56.840 -> 31:03.640] It is possible, as has been said, to make qualifying better for yourself.
[31:03.640 -> 31:06.460] The things you're going gonna need are the following.
[31:06.460 -> 31:08.820] You're gonna need a live timing screen
[31:08.820 -> 31:10.660] and you're gonna need a track map.
[31:10.660 -> 31:12.760] So that when you see, and to me,
[31:12.760 -> 31:16.980] this is the thing I find that broadcasts miss out the most,
[31:16.980 -> 31:19.500] is the order they go out in
[31:19.500 -> 31:21.380] is the order you need to be watching.
[31:21.380 -> 31:24.900] And that while it's exciting to focus on
[31:24.900 -> 31:26.400] Max going faster than
[31:26.400 -> 31:33.200] everyone in the last session of Q1, the real story is who is going to get cut. So you need
[31:33.200 -> 31:38.240] to be looking at who's in the drop zone, who's very likely, like say for example, we have
[31:38.880 -> 31:44.000] a Red Bull in the drop zone, that's pretty much not worth paying attention to unless they get
[31:44.000 -> 31:49.600] halfway through their lap and they're not getting better for whatever reason. But if you're paying attention
[31:49.600 -> 31:55.440] to the order they go out in, then you know who's left on track to possibly knock people out.
[31:55.440 -> 32:01.600] And I do feel like, and I do watch F1 TV, so maybe Sky is better or different about this,
[32:01.600 -> 32:08.120] but I do feel like the art of being able to pitch that as it's happening
[32:08.120 -> 32:11.960] is getting a little bit more lost in these more modern times
[32:11.960 -> 32:14.800] than I recall it being in earlier times,
[32:14.800 -> 32:17.480] though I was more soft brained in earlier times.
[32:17.480 -> 32:21.120] So who knows if I'm remembering it accurately or not.
[32:21.120 -> 32:28.000] But Chris, I mean, truly, as a commentator, I just want your opinion now. Have you had to call
[32:28.000 -> 32:34.560] any QALYs that are similar to this Formula 1 format? And if so, how would you prepare for that?
[32:35.280 -> 32:42.000] I've not done a dropout one. The one that we have in the GT Open and the support series that I
[32:42.000 -> 32:47.280] commentate on is that it's just a 30 minute or 20 minute, whatever it is, session
[32:47.280 -> 32:51.600] and you just do whatever the best time that you can in that amount of time
[32:51.600 -> 32:57.520] and that usually comes down to, it normally plays out quite similar to just a quali session
[32:57.520 -> 33:06.120] like be it Q3 or whatever, where they go out on two sets of tires and try and get that time in, which, and again,
[33:06.120 -> 33:11.200] usually comes towards the end of the session anyway, particularly because it's usually very
[33:11.200 -> 33:15.640] early in the morning, so the track starts out normally pretty cold and also very green,
[33:15.640 -> 33:26.480] so it gets warmer as the session goes on. Can I just add a few things about the timing, the live timing app experience, because actually,
[33:26.480 -> 33:32.460] if you want to find qualifying entertaining, you can just do with the live timing app.
[33:32.460 -> 33:36.920] You don't even need like a Formula 1 F1 TV Pro.
[33:36.920 -> 33:47.760] You can just buy the small subscription package and download the white with red logo app. And in there you have the old style timing screens,
[33:48.320 -> 33:50.960] the ones they used before Liberty, more or less.
[33:50.960 -> 33:52.240] It's a bit updated.
[33:52.240 -> 33:54.160] But actually that's the best one of them
[33:54.160 -> 33:56.080] because you can pick your driver
[33:56.720 -> 33:58.560] or you can pick two competing drivers
[33:58.560 -> 34:00.880] and you will get to see the numbers between them.
[34:00.880 -> 34:03.040] And it's just so versatile
[34:03.040 -> 34:06.880] and it gives you a much greater experience watching Formula 1.
[34:06.880 -> 34:11.440] And I would say if you're on the road, for instance, or you want to follow the qualifying,
[34:11.440 -> 34:16.560] download the live timing app and watch it through that one because you get all the sector times.
[34:16.560 -> 34:26.020] It's just much more engaging. I will say though, should we have to do that? You know, as fans of the sport, should we have to like work hard
[34:26.020 -> 34:29.000] to just make watching it interesting for us
[34:29.000 -> 34:30.640] or exciting for us?
[34:30.640 -> 34:32.940] Of course, it's nice to have a tailored experience
[34:32.940 -> 34:35.180] where you can follow one specific driver.
[34:35.180 -> 34:36.760] Of course, that's nice.
[34:36.760 -> 34:38.460] But there is a point where you go,
[34:38.460 -> 34:40.900] well, the production's just kind of not very good
[34:40.900 -> 34:43.140] and that's something they should fix, right?
[34:43.140 -> 34:46.080] I mean, I've watched and engaged with
[34:46.080 -> 34:51.600] various different types of qualifying formats and a lot of it does just come down to how it's
[34:51.600 -> 34:57.440] produced and how it's directed. I mean, is there, for example, like Chris was saying earlier,
[34:58.000 -> 35:03.280] could we just borrow another format from a different series and just see how it goes, Chris?
[35:03.280 -> 35:04.960] Chris No, no, no, no, no, because we've seen...
[35:04.960 -> 35:05.560] Sam No! Chris No, you, no, no. Because we've seen...
[35:05.560 -> 35:06.560] No!
[35:06.560 -> 35:10.720] No, you don't mess with quality because we've tried to do it several times and it doesn't
[35:10.720 -> 35:11.720] work, right?
[35:11.720 -> 35:17.600] And the trouble is, unless you literally do one-shot quality where everybody has the tracks
[35:17.600 -> 35:21.560] themselves, you're gonna have the same problem with the broadcast regardless of what the
[35:21.560 -> 35:23.160] format is, right?
[35:23.160 -> 35:26.800] So in the defense of the broadcasters,
[35:26.800 -> 35:29.400] you've got at the start of quality, 20 cars,
[35:29.400 -> 35:30.480] even at the end of quality,
[35:30.480 -> 35:32.560] you've still got 10 cars going out there.
[35:32.560 -> 35:33.380] What are you gonna do?
[35:33.380 -> 35:36.880] Just have 10 little mini screens all going at the same time?
[35:36.880 -> 35:40.480] No, I do think there is an opportunity
[35:40.480 -> 35:43.120] to utilize maybe a bit more picture in picture,
[35:43.120 -> 35:44.840] but at the same time,
[35:46.880 -> 35:53.040] they're there to try and tell the story of qualifying and that to me is the job of the commentators. And a lot of the
[35:53.040 -> 35:59.920] quali is used to kind of sit back and marvel at how great Formula One cars look on TV and just
[35:59.920 -> 36:07.360] how fast they are, particularly like in the 2019-2020 when we had the fastest Formula 1 cars ever
[36:08.000 -> 36:15.600] produced. We would just sit back and go, wow, that looks absolutely stunning on TV. And that is
[36:16.800 -> 36:20.800] like the one of the UPs of Formula 1 that they try and sell on TV.
[36:21.440 -> 36:26.800] Yeah, I think and it's really nice at the end of QALY I think, when they do
[36:26.800 -> 36:32.000] the fastest QALY lap, whoever's on pole position, they literally turn off the sound and they let you
[36:32.000 -> 36:37.360] watch the whole lap, listen to the whole lap and see it and it would just be nice to see a little
[36:37.360 -> 36:43.440] bit more of that and yeah maybe this does open up a little bit more conversation about perhaps is it
[36:43.440 -> 36:45.760] a commentary issue? I mean,
[36:45.760 -> 36:51.200] is there a stylistic difference that could be made? Chris, you are the expert here, but I'm
[36:51.200 -> 36:55.680] gonna... So actually, no, I think you're going to be biased. So I'm going to go to Trumpets for this
[36:55.680 -> 37:05.000] one. So as much as I would love to pretend it was all Chris Stevens' fault that QALY is now boring for us to watch.
[37:09.300 -> 37:10.180] In reality, I cannot because it's really a production issue.
[37:14.980 -> 37:15.140] Because you have, you should have at that level, a producer,
[37:20.180 -> 37:20.260] if not several producers, watching these things and feeding you times
[37:24.520 -> 37:24.600] and who to watch and who's making time, who's about to fall out to help you.
[37:26.740 -> 37:26.840] Because the amount of information comes very rapidly and who's making time, who's about to fall out, to help you. Because the amount of information
[37:29.440 -> 37:29.540] comes very rapidly, and it's incredibly dense.
[37:33.180 -> 37:33.280] And the thing that I would really be interested to know
[37:35.080 -> 37:35.180] is, to me, this is the kind of thing,
[37:39.480 -> 37:39.580] it seems like if you wrote the correct custom software for,
[37:43.420 -> 37:43.520] it could sort of automatically help even those producers
[37:46.340 -> 37:46.420] point the commentators towards the stories.
[37:48.340 -> 37:48.420] Is it because they're unfolding in 90 seconds
[37:50.920 -> 37:51.020] and you have five, I mean, oftentimes,
[37:54.480 -> 37:54.800] given the margins now, you have maybe ten people in play
[37:56.300 -> 37:56.480] in the first qualifying.
[37:59.680 -> 37:59.900] You've got 90 seconds and it's all happening
[38:01.360 -> 38:01.440] more or less at the same time
[38:03.400 -> 38:03.600] because they're all following each other.
[38:10.400 -> 38:13.080] So, maybe that's where the focus needs to be, but I do agree. It would be nice to see that improvement happen.
[38:13.080 -> 38:16.280] I think you could do a lot with colors.
[38:16.280 -> 38:21.120] It's a very cheap trick, but the fact that you have cars on not-hotlaps and you have
[38:21.120 -> 38:25.040] cars on hotlaps, it's impossible to tell the difference because
[38:25.040 -> 38:32.960] the ones not on hot lap have to go, what, 107, 10% within the same time. As a narrative,
[38:32.960 -> 38:37.920] you just have a bunch of cars on tarmac, and what is the story here? I think colors,
[38:38.560 -> 38:41.200] better graphics would do a lot. Okay, so...
[38:42.160 -> 38:47.920] Sorry, sorry, but I'm just... Even with know, with the with the format, it's that
[38:47.920 -> 38:51.680] they're all doing the laps at the same time, because they all know when the best time to
[38:51.680 -> 38:56.960] be on track is the only variation you get in that is when a team makes it to Q3, they've
[38:56.960 -> 39:02.400] only got one set of soft tires. So maybe they do their hot lap while everyone else is heading
[39:02.400 -> 39:05.960] back to the pits. So that's the only variety you're going to get.
[39:05.960 -> 39:10.640] So you're always going to have at least, you know, seven, eight, nine, potentially even
[39:10.640 -> 39:16.080] 10 cars all doing their laps at the same time, trying to react to that live and following
[39:16.080 -> 39:21.000] who's going quickest, because you can only react to that.
[39:21.000 -> 39:26.120] And you can only do it either a third or two thirds of the way round the lap. Because
[39:26.120 -> 39:32.160] I doubt, well, I'd be 99% certain saying they're not getting the 200 meter mini sector times
[39:32.160 -> 39:37.280] in the production office. And there are a ton of people in there working out, watching
[39:37.280 -> 39:41.080] everything going on, and saying, I've got this coming up, and I've got this, do you
[39:41.080 -> 39:46.560] want this? And if you remember back to some of the behind the scenes
[39:46.560 -> 39:52.880] videos that Formula One put out, the best one was how the first lap of Silverstone 2021 unfolded
[39:52.880 -> 40:01.840] from the production office point of view. You will see it's just a beautiful orchestrated symphony,
[40:01.840 -> 40:07.120] right? It's really incredible to watch, right? And so I don't
[40:07.120 -> 40:12.240] think really there's much more they can do to try and do that. I think the next step will be picture
[40:12.240 -> 40:17.360] in picture and to answer the point about the commentators, so I'm not about to sit here and say
[40:17.360 -> 40:18.880] Oh goodness, here we go.
[40:18.880 -> 40:23.360] I'm not about to sit here and say that Crofty and Alex Jakes, who are much more experienced
[40:23.360 -> 40:25.880] and more talented than I, are
[40:25.880 -> 40:27.040] doing a bad job of it.
[40:27.040 -> 40:31.720] Right, I'm going to cut you off here, I'm going to cut you off, right, because I've
[40:31.720 -> 40:35.560] got the perfect solution to this qualifying issue, because I'm also getting bored of talking
[40:35.560 -> 40:40.200] about this now. I'm going to summarize it for any F1 producer who happens to be listening.
[40:40.200 -> 40:43.840] Thing number one, put Chris in the commentary box, he clearly thinks he can do a better
[40:43.840 -> 40:49.680] job. We'll see how he goes. Baptism by fire. Everyone just be super harsh to him so that, you know,
[40:49.680 -> 40:55.600] he kind of, if it's good, it's good. If not, then we'll see. And that's clearly not the issue then.
[40:55.600 -> 41:00.240] And we also need about 10 different cars on screen at once. That would be really great.
[41:00.240 -> 41:05.840] So if we can get that going, we'll give all of the producers loads of coffee before QALY
[41:05.840 -> 41:12.560] just to make sure that they can keep up with the pace and uh what else um yeah I think generally
[41:12.560 -> 41:18.480] completely overhaul it and colors and colors okay so we want color-coded screens Chris Stevens
[41:18.480 -> 41:25.120] commentating and a complete overhaul of all of the videos that are done and there you go Sam that's how you make
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[43:01.800 -> 43:06.400] And now on to another topic brought up by Ryan Marsh who has said, love the show, always
[43:06.400 -> 43:10.240] my first listen on my Monday morning after a race. Good job, Ryan. That's how you're
[43:10.240 -> 43:14.840] meant to do it. Anyway, a couple of questions he's seen floating around online. So he's
[43:14.840 -> 43:19.760] asked, Alonso showed us how good at race he is at racing at Brazil. Well, I think he showed
[43:19.760 -> 43:26.040] us with his two world championships, but after many failed moves to various teams, does he
[43:26.040 -> 43:31.360] lack the talent to drive a team forward in their development and win championships, drivers
[43:31.360 -> 43:37.360] and constructors? Alonso is a fantastic, fantastic driver. He's very talented. He's got great
[43:37.360 -> 43:41.720] race craft. He knows how to drive the cars. And I think the fact that he's moved from
[43:41.720 -> 43:50.260] team to team shows that he's adaptable and a good driver at working with a car. But Ryan does raise an interesting point here,
[43:50.260 -> 43:56.600] which is he's skipped from Alpine to Aston Martin and neither of the teams have progressed
[43:56.600 -> 44:01.940] in the way that we were almost promised. I mean, I was re-watch or I say re-watching,
[44:01.940 -> 44:09.640] I'd never watched it before. I was watching Drive to Survive a couple of months ago and I found it really interesting the story that followed Alonso
[44:09.640 -> 44:14.480] at Alpine, which was we're bringing in this returning world champion. He's got heaps of
[44:14.480 -> 44:19.720] experience, very talented guy. He's going to bring the team so far. We've got the car
[44:19.720 -> 44:23.360] for him and of course, you know, you've got to put a bit of it in the car. The Alpine
[44:23.360 -> 44:28.080] was not fantastic, but Alpine didn't make the leaps and bounds with Alonso that they were
[44:28.080 -> 44:32.880] hoping. And then when Alonso moved to Aston Martin, whilst they had a good start to the
[44:32.880 -> 44:37.480] season, it's very clear that it's not an Alonso issue. The car has simply dropped off, but
[44:37.480 -> 44:43.360] there's not a lot of development going with Alonso. So I'll pose the question to our panel.
[44:43.360 -> 44:50.400] Alonso is a talented driver. He's won two world championships, but is he good enough to still be in F1?
[44:50.400 -> 44:51.400] Matt?
[44:51.400 -> 44:53.360] Is he good enough to be in F1?
[44:53.360 -> 44:55.600] Oh, yeah, absolutely.
[44:55.600 -> 45:00.520] I think there are plenty of drivers that are far worse than him that are also in F1.
[45:00.520 -> 45:02.560] You're not wrong.
[45:02.560 -> 45:06.200] I would, however, like to take a little premise with their question
[45:06.200 -> 45:14.080] asker if I could have that liberty. Go on, rip Ryan to shreds. No, no, you know me. I
[45:14.080 -> 45:21.520] do enjoy a good Alonso. Okay. I dig at Alonso every now and then, but you gotta be careful
[45:21.520 -> 45:26.640] because he does have his fans. But the reality is, I think from a
[45:27.280 -> 45:34.320] car development point of view, it's very much less driven by the drivers than most people think.
[45:35.040 -> 45:40.640] It's driven by the engineers and by Arrow, and the drivers' opinions will get asked at a certain
[45:40.640 -> 45:45.920] point, or they will explain what they are lacking to the engineers. But that's
[45:45.920 -> 45:52.960] really an engineer thing. I think where you could legitimately question Alonzo and his team skills
[45:53.520 -> 46:00.240] is asking yourself, does he have what it takes to work with a teammate and win a
[46:00.240 -> 46:06.360] constructors' championship if they have a car that is there or thereabouts, because
[46:06.360 -> 46:09.240] not everybody can work with a teammate.
[46:09.240 -> 46:18.400] Like in defense of, you know, Alonzo's time at say McLaren the second time and Alpine
[46:18.400 -> 46:24.800] as well is that, you know, that was team issue, the car not getting any better.
[46:24.800 -> 46:29.040] And particularly because Alpine just didn't kind of have the funding for it.
[46:29.040 -> 46:32.640] I know everyone loves to talk about Lewis Hamilton bringing Mercedes,
[46:32.640 -> 46:36.560] you know, up to the front of the field and helping to produce this dominant car.
[46:36.560 -> 46:38.560] Which, no, no, that's the thing.
[46:38.560 -> 46:43.360] That car was pretty much, you know, it was already 80% of the way there.
[46:43.360 -> 46:48.400] Mercedes playing the politics to try and pull up
[46:48.720 -> 46:52.120] a big advantage at the start of the turbo hybrid era,
[46:52.120 -> 46:53.880] which is certainly what they did.
[46:53.880 -> 46:55.760] And I'm not gonna try and underplay
[46:55.760 -> 46:59.000] Lewis Hamilton's role in making the car better,
[46:59.000 -> 47:02.000] but he didn't single-handedly pull that team together
[47:02.000 -> 47:04.680] and say, guys, we're gonna go and win the 2014 championship.
[47:04.680 -> 47:09.840] It was just not how it went. This idea of drivers pull that team together and say, guys, we're going to go and win the 2014 championship. It's just not this idea of drivers pulling the team together and pushing them forward
[47:09.840 -> 47:17.040] and, you know, helping them to create championship winning machinery is in far more nuanced ways,
[47:17.040 -> 47:21.440] I think, than we ever really anticipate. There's a great chat with Eddie Jordan about how when
[47:21.440 -> 47:25.360] Damon Hill arrived at the Jordan team, you know, how he knew
[47:26.080 -> 47:32.880] how to win and, you know, would make decisions or offer advice, you know, I think, I think the day
[47:32.880 -> 47:40.320] before they won at Spa, EJ wanted him to go and, you know, be with the sponsor rather than,
[47:41.040 -> 47:46.720] rather than, you know, actually prep for the race. And Damon refused. So there are little
[47:46.720 -> 47:52.920] things like that. But I think Alonso has made bad career decisions. He's arrived at, you
[47:52.920 -> 47:55.840] know, decent teams at completely the wrong time.
[47:55.840 -> 47:57.880] Has he made bad decisions though?
[47:57.880 -> 48:04.600] Yes, he has. Because he left Ferrari on the brink of a return to fighting up at the front
[48:04.600 -> 48:05.540] of the field.
[48:05.540 -> 48:09.680] Had Alonso been in that car in 2017-2018, I'd argue he'd have two more world titles
[48:09.680 -> 48:10.680] to his name.
[48:10.680 -> 48:11.680] As would Ferrari.
[48:11.680 -> 48:12.680] Would you?
[48:12.680 -> 48:13.680] Yes, I would.
[48:13.680 -> 48:14.680] That's a controversial opinion in itself.
[48:14.680 -> 48:15.680] I don't think it is.
[48:15.680 -> 48:18.680] I don't think it is.
[48:18.680 -> 48:23.400] Maybe 2017 less, because I think that was a bit more car related, but 2018, yes, 100%
[48:23.400 -> 48:25.040] Alonso would have brought home that championship.
[48:25.720 -> 48:32.440] And again, he's arrived at Alpine and they weren't developing the car properly.
[48:32.440 -> 48:37.840] Aston Martin had been steered in the wrong direction for a variety of reasons.
[48:38.400 -> 48:42.120] I absolutely think he could still fight for a world championship given the right car.
[48:42.200 -> 48:47.800] Well, yeah, but any good driver could in the right car. It's the same debate we always,
[48:47.800 -> 48:52.040] always come back to in F1, which is, is it the driver or is it the car? You know, if
[48:52.040 -> 48:58.040] you put Lewis Hamilton or Max Verstappen in a Haas, don't get me wrong, it wouldn't be
[48:58.040 -> 49:03.080] winning races, but would they be doing any better? So Christian, would you say in this
[49:03.080 -> 49:06.720] debate, in the context of Alonso, is it his
[49:06.720 -> 49:10.160] fault that he hasn't been doing as well or is it the car?
[49:10.160 -> 49:14.040] It's the car, definitely.
[49:14.040 -> 49:15.040] Oh, okay.
[49:15.040 -> 49:20.960] I think from a driver perspective, I think he's among the greatest.
[49:20.960 -> 49:21.960] Absolutely.
[49:21.960 -> 49:26.040] I think he has everything and even has the part that is
[49:26.040 -> 49:31.400] probably not the nicest trait in humans but he has that, Verstappen has that as
[49:31.400 -> 49:37.760] well, the top drivers normally have it. They do. It's them before others and it
[49:37.760 -> 49:44.560] comes to life in different ways but I think the foundation of the
[49:44.560 -> 49:45.300] question was,
[49:45.300 -> 49:48.300] does he have the talent to drive a team forward, right?
[49:48.400 -> 49:48.900] Yeah.
[49:49.000 -> 49:53.600] And to drive, I mean, being a boss and being a great driver is two
[49:53.600 -> 49:54.700] completely different things.
[49:55.100 -> 49:55.200] Yeah.
[49:55.200 -> 50:00.900] And I think to lead anything in regards to a lot of people beneath
[50:00.900 -> 50:05.200] you in the structure of the team, you will need to have people gather
[50:05.200 -> 50:11.080] around you and want to fight for you. You can only have that for real if you
[50:11.080 -> 50:16.160] give that vibe back and Alonso only thinks about himself I think from that
[50:16.160 -> 50:21.840] perspective. But doesn't any F1 driver? I mean I would argue exactly like you said, all
[50:21.840 -> 50:26.240] of the greats seem to have that selfish string in them.
[50:26.240 -> 50:30.000] Doesn't every driver want to just do well for themselves?
[50:30.000 -> 50:36.000] But if you look at the way this Aston Martin, Red Bull, Alonso going to replace Paris,
[50:36.000 -> 50:46.720] rumor that was going about for a week ago or whatever. That rumor, he went ballistic over it, right? He got mad and there was going to be repercussions.
[50:46.720 -> 50:50.920] I mean, if he was a team leader, he would be going like,
[50:50.920 -> 50:52.840] what? I'm not leaving my team.
[50:52.840 -> 50:54.440] This is my team, right?
[50:54.440 -> 50:58.760] And you never hear Alonso go like that unless he's negotiating
[50:58.760 -> 51:01.200] some contract, and then you can just see through it.
[51:01.200 -> 51:08.620] But what I would say is, while I'd argue a team's success will come from the factory
[51:08.620 -> 51:14.980] and the car and in that direction to the garage, a garage can also make a difference.
[51:14.980 -> 51:20.500] So an Alonzo in the start of this season in that Aston Martin garage made a difference
[51:20.500 -> 51:21.500] in the team.
[51:21.500 -> 51:27.360] Well, I would just like to wrap up this Alonzo discussion, because I will apparently get
[51:27.360 -> 51:33.280] to, and say that from a technical point of view, he's more than capable of driving a
[51:33.280 -> 51:34.540] team to a championship.
[51:34.540 -> 51:39.040] I think for his side of the garage, he is more than capable of driving a team to the
[51:39.040 -> 51:40.040] championship.
[51:40.040 -> 51:45.440] And I think if he is paired with a teammate that he does not view as threatening, he's more
[51:45.440 -> 51:49.280] than capable of driving a team to a championship.
[51:49.280 -> 51:54.080] But where I don't see it working for him, and I'm going to go back to that infamous
[51:54.080 -> 52:07.600] year of 2007, is if he's got a teammate that pushes him too hard, or fights him too much or whatever it is that gets under his skin in that peculiar
[52:07.600 -> 52:16.720] way, I don't still, even now, with his increased maturity, I'm not convinced he would be able
[52:16.720 -> 52:21.040] to handle it well if it was his teammate walking off of the Drivers' Championship and he had
[52:21.040 -> 52:22.720] to cooperate to get the Constructors.
[52:22.720 -> 52:25.200] Okay, Chris, just a quick one and then we'll move on.
[52:25.200 -> 52:29.600] Yeah, I mean, well, look at his title winning years in 05-06, unchallenged by his teammate,
[52:29.600 -> 52:34.320] the title challenging years at Ferrari Massa was nowhere near him. Yeah, just a tiny bit
[52:34.320 -> 52:39.240] of credit there to Formula 4 Success for the EJ story I was telling. I couldn't remember
[52:39.240 -> 52:44.200] the name of their show with DC and EJ, but I've just looked it up and it's Formula
[52:44.200 -> 52:47.080] 4 Success. And I saw that on their TikTok. It's a great little channel.
[52:47.080 -> 52:53.520] Oh, see everyone, TikTok is the place to be. I wouldn't be here without TikTok. Honestly,
[52:53.520 -> 52:58.040] if you guys who are watching slash listening today are not involved in TikTok, don't worry,
[52:58.040 -> 53:02.840] I'm aware it is a young person's land and maybe not for everyone, but it's where the
[53:02.840 -> 53:05.200] cool things happen. So if you want to be cool,
[53:06.080 -> 53:11.200] get yourself on TikTok. It's not just for us young ones. Okay, my quick point on Alonso.
[53:11.840 -> 53:16.800] I like him a lot. I think he's a talented driver. I think like any championship winning driver,
[53:16.800 -> 53:23.040] he's got the attitude for success. To answer your question, Ryan, and to really sum it up,
[53:23.680 -> 53:25.880] I do not think he lacks the talent to
[53:25.880 -> 53:30.440] drive a team forward, but it goes so beyond just a driver being able to feed back. But
[53:30.440 -> 53:34.600] Alonso has the experience and the knowledge to give teams all of the information they
[53:34.600 -> 53:40.200] need from a driver's end. So if something is missing, I'm not going to blame Alonso.
[53:40.200 -> 53:47.000] Okay, now let's look forward, shall we, to the coming races of the season because of
[53:47.000 -> 53:51.080] course now we're driving towards ever and closer to the end of the season, which is
[53:51.080 -> 53:56.240] a very sad time for everyone, where all F1 fans curl up in their rooms all winter not
[53:56.240 -> 54:00.440] knowing what to do with themselves on a weekend. We all have to find a way to develop a social
[54:00.440 -> 54:11.120] life somehow and all of a sudden we can't get out of plans by saying, sorry, we've got the F1. But that is awaiting us. We still have a couple more races left. So let's talk about
[54:11.120 -> 54:19.600] Vegas. Now there's been a lot on the social media and in news generally about Vegas, about how suited
[54:19.600 -> 54:24.800] the F1 cars are going to be to the circuit, how the circuit kind of looks like an upside down pig,
[54:24.720 -> 54:25.360] cars are going to be to the circuit, how the circuit kind of looks like an upside down pig,
[54:30.000 -> 54:35.200] how the strip of Vegas has been completely disrupted for months, which I've heard the residents are not too happy about. So sorry to our friends in America, but all in the name of
[54:35.200 -> 54:41.200] entertainment and entertainment indeed, because it doesn't sound like the racing is going to be of
[54:41.200 -> 54:50.240] the best quality, but we'll have to wait and see. The rumour at the moment is that it's a bit chilly and Jacob Yates has asked us, how do you think
[54:50.240 -> 54:56.720] the teams will cope with potentially the coldest race on record and one of the longest straights
[54:56.720 -> 55:01.960] on this year's calendar? Now we have some considerations with temperature. Obviously
[55:01.960 -> 55:05.100] in hotter countries there's the issue of brakes overheating, of
[55:05.100 -> 55:10.840] engines overheating. It can be really, really tricky. And we've seen it in recent races
[55:10.840 -> 55:14.920] where drivers have had to pull out to the side so that they're out of dirty air from
[55:14.920 -> 55:19.520] the car in front of them just to get some clean, colder air coming through the car.
[55:19.520 -> 55:29.960] But with a colder track, that presents new challenges, including tires. Now, I'm going to go to who I know is the most favorite fan
[55:30.080 -> 55:32.000] of tires ever, Mr. Matt Trumpets.
[55:32.000 -> 55:35.760] Please, Matt, serenade us with some tire talk.
[55:35.760 -> 55:37.680] I would be more than delighted to.
[55:37.680 -> 55:39.000] Oh, lucky us.
[55:39.000 -> 55:41.880] In fact, well, this is an interesting one,
[55:42.880 -> 55:48.800] but it did occur to me that we've had testing sessions where it snowed.
[55:48.800 -> 55:56.400] We have seen cars in cold weather run, but in terms of racing, the closest race I could find,
[55:56.400 -> 56:08.920] and again aided by our lovely patrons and the slack, was the race at Nürburgring, the Eiffel Grand Prix, in I believe 2020, where the ambient
[56:08.920 -> 56:19.160] temperature was 10 C, and the track started around 20 C and dropped to 15. Now, so, but they raced,
[56:19.160 -> 56:26.160] and they had exactly the kinds of problems that you're going to expect to see here.
[56:26.720 -> 56:34.400] Namely, some cars, when they went from the soft tire to the medium tire, had issues.
[56:34.400 -> 56:38.720] And this is not the only track where we've seen this. They just simply had issues getting the
[56:38.720 -> 56:44.880] tire hot enough to work properly. Now what's giving everybody a great deal of alarm here
[56:47.520 -> 56:54.160] to work properly. Now what's giving everybody a great deal of alarm here is the fact that the ambient temperature in Las Vegas at this time of year runs from like 6 to 10 C.
[56:54.960 -> 57:00.800] Very cold. So what is that in American? In Fahrenheit? Do you work in Fahrenheit?
[57:00.800 -> 57:04.080] It's like 38 to 45 maybe.
[57:04.080 -> 57:06.000] Okay, I think 38 is where water freezes.
[57:06.000 -> 57:07.000] So we're talking chilly.
[57:07.000 -> 57:09.000] 32 is where water freezes.
[57:09.000 -> 57:11.000] Oh, is it? Okay, okay. Yeah.
[57:11.000 -> 57:16.000] Fahrenheit, you're talking about, this is new information for me, Fahrenheit.
[57:16.000 -> 57:18.000] It's a different type of measuring temperature.
[57:18.000 -> 57:21.000] It's just a better way of measuring temperatures for people.
[57:21.000 -> 57:22.000] Okay, Mr. America.
[57:22.000 -> 57:30.720] But don't worry about it. It just wanted to translate that. Just to be inclusive for our listeners who aren't necessarily in the cool parts of the
[57:30.720 -> 57:32.080] world where we use centigrade.
[57:32.720 -> 57:37.200] But this is the point that I want to make about it that I haven't heard anyone make
[57:37.200 -> 57:41.360] yet is everyone's been very focused on the ambient temperature and concerned that the
[57:41.360 -> 57:45.120] tires don't work. But what you also have to understand
[57:45.120 -> 57:52.620] is that strip of black asphalt will be sitting in a desert sun all day, so that even if the
[57:52.620 -> 57:59.080] ambient temperature is cold, that track is absorbing a great deal of solar energy, and
[57:59.080 -> 58:05.820] it will be radiating it out. Track temperatures will be dropping. But just by way of comparison,
[58:05.820 -> 58:11.340] at Brazil, the ambient temperature was 10 degrees cooler in the race than it was
[58:11.340 -> 58:17.820] in the sprint, but the track temperature was absolutely the same. So it may not be
[58:17.820 -> 58:23.540] as bad as everyone's worried about, once you take into account the fact that as
[58:23.540 -> 58:26.800] long as it's sunny, the track will probably be
[58:26.800 -> 58:32.320] much hotter than that as the sun goes down. So they may be able to stay out of what I would
[58:32.320 -> 58:38.400] think of being the danger zone where no car can make the tires work at all because if those tires
[58:38.400 -> 58:44.480] don't get hot enough, it really is like driving on ice at that point. And it is an interesting
[58:44.480 -> 58:45.400] thing to think about
[58:45.400 -> 58:47.400] from the team's perspective at least,
[58:47.400 -> 58:49.960] with obviously the more cars are on track
[58:49.960 -> 58:51.240] and the more that they're going around,
[58:51.240 -> 58:52.920] the track heats up a bit.
[58:52.920 -> 58:55.680] So I think we could see some really interesting stints
[58:55.680 -> 59:00.680] in Qualy where, was it Monza in like 2019, 2020,
[59:01.680 -> 59:04.320] where they all left it till the absolute last minute
[59:04.320 -> 59:06.080] of Qualy to go out because
[59:06.080 -> 59:10.320] that was when the track was optimum and then they all missed the chequered flag so it had
[59:10.320 -> 59:14.320] to devolve to the Q2 times. I think we could see some of that, do you think Chris? I think
[59:14.320 -> 59:28.480] it could be exciting. Well what I'm hoping to see is F1 cars sliding around. F I think... Everyone on ice. No, I genuinely, I love watching Formula 1 cars getting, you know, having less grip
[59:28.480 -> 59:31.160] and, you know, snaking around a little bit.
[59:31.160 -> 59:36.560] I think it looks great on TV, I think it highlights the skill of the drivers, it's much more exciting
[59:36.560 -> 59:38.060] to watch overall.
[59:38.060 -> 59:43.700] If it were up to me, F1 cars would have an extra 200 brake horsepower, but like a third
[59:43.700 -> 59:45.600] of the downforce that they have now and that would be
[59:45.600 -> 59:53.200] like just beautiful television right but um what i what i what i don't know actually is what the
[59:53.200 -> 01:00:00.880] surface of the track is because have they actually left the original asphalt or have they done what
[01:00:00.880 -> 01:00:08.000] they normally do with street tracks which is trying to claim that, oh yeah we're racing on the public roads when actually we're racing on this temporary new
[01:00:08.000 -> 01:00:14.800] asphalt which apparently it is. Matt, do you know? I'm pretty sure. I would want to double check
[01:00:14.800 -> 01:00:20.320] before I bet large sums of money but I'd be almost certain they've resurfaced, if not all of it,
[01:00:20.320 -> 01:00:25.520] very very large portions of it. Yeah, they have because of all the disruption to the strip that
[01:00:25.520 -> 01:00:30.320] everyone was complaining about. Okay, so if they have done that, then that means it's going to be
[01:00:30.320 -> 01:00:34.480] a darker surface, because if it's brand new then it's going to be almost like venter black,
[01:00:34.480 -> 01:00:39.040] the color of the surface, which means it will absorb a little bit more heat during the day,
[01:00:39.680 -> 01:00:45.040] alluding to Matt's point about it taking up heat during the day. What's funny is that the last time they
[01:00:45.040 -> 01:00:50.640] raced in Vegas in 82 on the Caesars Palace car park was that we had the opposite problem where
[01:00:50.640 -> 01:00:54.960] it was so hot the track was breaking up so they can never seem to get it right in Vegas.
[01:00:56.000 -> 01:01:01.520] Well that's Vegas baby! That's all the fun and drama and I guess the teams are just gonna have
[01:01:01.520 -> 01:01:08.560] to play the odds on this one but tyres are always a good subject of talk and I think it could be an exciting consideration,
[01:01:08.560 -> 01:01:14.400] although I do feel for the fans who are sat still in six degree temperatures, Christian.
[01:01:14.400 -> 01:01:18.800] But I think the race will just be awesome in so many aspects.
[01:01:18.800 -> 01:01:20.880] Okay, do you think we're going to have good racing?
[01:01:22.720 -> 01:01:26.480] I'm not talking about the racing yet. I just think as an event, I think it will be
[01:01:26.480 -> 01:01:31.680] like a sporting event everyone on the planet will be aware of in the next couple of weeks. And it
[01:01:31.680 -> 01:01:37.280] will be something everyone talks about. It will be a major thing. Wait till you see the headquarters
[01:01:37.280 -> 01:01:42.080] for Liberty and stuff like that. It's going to be like the first time they released the Abu Dhabi
[01:01:42.080 -> 01:01:45.840] track to end the season. that was also a major thing.
[01:01:47.200 -> 01:01:49.720] There was also going to be a lot of people who just hate it,
[01:01:50.800 -> 01:01:57.480] find it ridiculous, I guess, because it's a bit overdone from some aspects.
[01:01:57.920 -> 01:02:00.520] Yeah, but I think in a few years' time,
[01:02:00.520 -> 01:02:04.200] it will find its form on the calendar as a flagship race,
[01:02:04.200 -> 01:02:05.680] a bit like Austin was at first.
[01:02:06.560 -> 01:02:12.400] One thing I think is for sure is everyone's going to complain about the tires. I think that will be
[01:02:13.040 -> 01:02:18.800] just a reality for Formula 1 these days when you go to a track with five degrees
[01:02:20.320 -> 01:02:26.480] ambient temperatures and you have these tires that have such a high tire pressure
[01:02:26.480 -> 01:02:31.520] and are just skidding around a bit and everyone's like experimenting still with the skidding
[01:02:31.520 -> 01:02:32.520] around.
[01:02:32.520 -> 01:02:37.000] It's probably going to be the most fun race for the drivers.
[01:02:37.000 -> 01:02:42.280] Yeah, I think a lot of the drivers of what we've heard in interviews at least have said
[01:02:42.280 -> 01:02:49.120] we're super excited to go, mainly because of the excitement and the splendor that's all around it. It's all about celebrating
[01:02:49.120 -> 01:02:55.600] the glitz and the glamour of F1, which especially in the new era when we're trying to be appealing
[01:02:55.600 -> 01:03:02.000] to an American audience a little bit more and appealing to this new generation of F1 watchers,
[01:03:02.000 -> 01:03:05.320] I think it'll be really great to have a race like that where
[01:03:05.320 -> 01:03:10.160] you look forward to it just because it's Vegas, kind of like with Monaco, where you go and
[01:03:10.160 -> 01:03:14.960] it's such an F1 classic and everyone is so excited for it, not because we're going to
[01:03:14.960 -> 01:03:20.040] see loads of overtakes, because we're not in denial, but because it's a classic. And
[01:03:20.040 -> 01:03:24.000] I do think that Vegas has the capacity for that in the future.
[01:03:24.000 -> 01:03:29.760] I think it doesn't really matter how good the race is because it's being promoted and
[01:03:29.760 -> 01:03:34.160] organized by Liberty Media, who if you've forgotten are the owners of Formula One.
[01:03:34.160 -> 01:03:41.120] So it is here to stay for a while. And if you're wondering why it's being talked about
[01:03:41.120 -> 01:03:46.880] than any other race in the world. Aside from their attempts to make it
[01:03:46.880 -> 01:03:51.040] the biggest sporting event of the year, I mean, that is why.
[01:03:51.040 -> 01:03:55.200] I have to say it hasn't really worked though because I mean, put your hand up if you've
[01:03:55.200 -> 01:04:00.640] been looking forward to Vegas all season. Not one single hand was raised, dear reader. Not one.
[01:04:01.280 -> 01:04:06.200] I mean, they've hyped it up so much and I completely understand it because they're
[01:04:06.200 -> 01:04:12.300] trying to make it a race that celebrates the glitz and the glamour, like I said. But something
[01:04:12.300 -> 01:04:16.200] about it hasn't worked. I mean, when they put tickets out, for example, to begin with,
[01:04:16.200 -> 01:04:22.560] I think someone said the average weekend ticket price was 7,000 US dollars. And now, if you
[01:04:22.560 -> 01:04:25.740] look on the website, because there are still many tickets available
[01:04:25.740 -> 01:04:30.280] if anyone happens to be in the Vegas area, you can get a whole weekend pass for something
[01:04:30.280 -> 01:04:38.240] like $300. So, there's going to be a few empty seats at this rate. It's looking a little
[01:04:38.240 -> 01:04:49.760] bit sad so far but I think we can all look forward to it. It'll be something a little bit different. And we might have some, we might have the capacity for some future excitement there.
[01:04:50.320 -> 01:04:56.560] And now, as befitting my absolutely prehistoric age, I would like to answer the following reader
[01:04:56.560 -> 01:05:02.720] question, most succinctly sent to us by Remo Ilo. He's asking, why do we think there's never been a
[01:05:02.720 -> 01:05:06.400] race in Scandinavia or Finland? And should we have a race there? And I have to, at's asking, why do we think there's never been a race in Scandinavia or Finland?
[01:05:06.400 -> 01:05:12.220] And should we have a race there? And I have to, at this point, draw on my ancient well
[01:05:12.220 -> 01:05:18.640] of knowledge, while ignoring the offended looks of Christian Peterson, and say, indeed,
[01:05:18.640 -> 01:05:25.980] there was a Swedish Grand Prix from 1973 to 1978. it came about because Ronnie Peterson, Swedish driver, had
[01:05:25.980 -> 01:05:27.960] been quite successful.
[01:05:27.960 -> 01:05:32.600] And the reason I wanted to mention this, and the only reason I wanted to mention this,
[01:05:32.600 -> 01:05:34.120] is two of the highlights.
[01:05:34.120 -> 01:05:41.360] One, it was the only win for the six-wheeled Tyrrell car at the Swedish Grand Prix, and
[01:05:41.360 -> 01:05:47.920] I believe it was 76. And then in 78, it was the only appearance in Formula One at
[01:05:47.920 -> 01:05:56.720] all of the infamously famous Brabham fan car, which won the race after the track surface got
[01:05:56.720 -> 01:06:02.320] slippery with oil. All the other cars had to slow way down and the fan car just drove like there was
[01:06:02.320 -> 01:06:08.840] nothing at all wrong with the track. And that's perhaps why they never raced it again because it would have been called illegal.
[01:06:08.840 -> 01:06:11.160] Anyway, so should they have it again?
[01:06:11.160 -> 01:06:13.200] Yeah, sure, if they can get a grade one track.
[01:06:13.200 -> 01:06:17.320] Okay, Christian, go on, put your European opinion forward.
[01:06:17.320 -> 01:06:21.040] Well, no Danish Grand Prix.
[01:06:21.040 -> 01:06:26.040] I'm just, I need to get my breath first.
[01:06:26.040 -> 01:06:28.760] Yeah, I am. Okay.
[01:06:28.760 -> 01:06:33.120] The reference for anyone who can't see Christian right now, he's got a really forlorn look
[01:06:33.120 -> 01:06:40.640] on his face. He's crying. He's holding his chest. He's very upset. F1, what are you doing?
[01:06:40.640 -> 01:06:42.740] Get us in the land of the Danes.
[01:06:42.740 -> 01:06:46.880] It all started in 61.
[01:06:46.880 -> 01:06:52.760] It was held at Roskilde Ring, which is placed in a town called Roskilde, which is where
[01:06:52.760 -> 01:06:54.720] the Magnussons are from.
[01:06:54.720 -> 01:06:59.080] The track was 1.4 kilometers long, which is less than a mile.
[01:06:59.080 -> 01:07:00.080] There was no straights.
[01:07:00.080 -> 01:07:10.480] There was a lot of bank corners and there was 40,000 Danes there watching. And one ticket was 50 cent, half a dollar, I think.
[01:07:10.480 -> 01:07:15.840] And Sterling Mars and Jack Brabham both raced both years and they respectively won.
[01:07:17.280 -> 01:07:21.520] But at that point in time in Formula One, it was so unorganized.
[01:07:21.520 -> 01:07:27.840] So that particular year, they had only eight races on the official Formula 1
[01:07:27.840 -> 01:07:32.440] calendar, but all the Formula 1 drivers went to all sorts of different races
[01:07:32.440 -> 01:07:34.880] and did their both in F1 and F2.
[01:07:35.720 -> 01:07:39.960] This Danish Formula 1 race was with all the Formula 1 races, but it wasn't
[01:07:39.960 -> 01:07:41.880] part of the official Formula 1 calendar.
[01:07:43.520 -> 01:07:46.640] You could theoretically say that we haven't had
[01:07:46.640 -> 01:07:56.000] a Grand Prix in Denmark, but I challenge you, Romain Aurelio, what? Okay, right, let's end
[01:07:56.000 -> 01:08:01.680] this debate then, Chris. Are we bringing a Scandinavian Grand Prix to F1? Do we do it or not?
[01:08:02.720 -> 01:08:08.480] So there is a grade one track in Finland called the Kimi Ring. It's not
[01:08:09.200 -> 01:08:16.640] Kimi as in Kimi Räikkönen, it's spelled K-Y-M-I. And it was built a couple of years ago, it was
[01:08:16.640 -> 01:08:26.000] opened, but it was made for MotoGP. So probably the safety standards exceed what is needed for Formula One.
[01:08:26.000 -> 01:08:37.000] But I would put forward, is rallying not a more popular form of motorsport in the Scandinavian region?
[01:08:37.000 -> 01:08:41.000] And that is kind of the big ticket motorsport out there.
[01:08:41.000 -> 01:08:47.920] Christian, is rallying a big thing? Well, rally is a bit like in some
[01:08:47.940 -> 01:08:51.680] family would rally cross and I would say those two things are probably the most
[01:08:51.680 -> 01:08:55.800] popular but that is because they are approachable. The cars are cheap. Okay, so
[01:08:55.800 -> 01:09:00.680] it's an accessibility thing. Rallying is not a thing really. We do have good
[01:09:00.680 -> 01:09:05.540] drivers but it's I mean. I literally thought that was just how you commuted to work.
[01:09:05.540 -> 01:09:09.700] Yes, you must cross this icy valley.
[01:09:09.700 -> 01:09:11.540] I can't speak for the Finns though.
[01:09:11.540 -> 01:09:15.500] I mean, and I'm saying this with the biggest heart of all,
[01:09:15.500 -> 01:09:19.540] but the Finns are strange people in the best way.
[01:09:19.540 -> 01:09:21.840] Okay, heavy on the in the best way.
[01:09:21.840 -> 01:09:25.360] We love everyone here on MissedApex podcast.
[01:09:25.920 -> 01:09:29.680] Every time I meet a Finn anywhere in the world, I love them.
[01:09:30.960 -> 01:09:35.400] Yeah, but I'm pretty sure everyone will say this about Finns.
[01:09:35.440 -> 01:09:36.880] They are not like other people.
[01:09:37.360 -> 01:09:40.120] They are themselves in every different...
[01:09:40.440 -> 01:09:42.840] I mean, they are all a little bit like Kimi Räikkönen.
[01:09:43.440 -> 01:09:46.560] Oh, and can't that only be a good thing? I love Kimi.
[01:09:46.560 -> 01:09:54.880] It is a good thing. They are original. They are maybe a little bit, I know you can't generalize,
[01:09:54.880 -> 01:10:02.000] but every time I've met a Finn, I've loved them, but they've been really introvert in the best way.
[01:10:02.000 -> 01:10:10.360] Okay, well then maybe F1, I mean, for those who might not necessarily know, grade one
[01:10:10.360 -> 01:10:14.840] is achieved by a circuit from fulfilling various criteria.
[01:10:14.840 -> 01:10:21.840] And F1 will only race on a grade one rated circuit just because it comes with various
[01:10:21.840 -> 01:10:30.080] things like asphalt quality, various safety things that make it compatible, not just for F1, but for F1 safety standards. So when we're
[01:10:30.080 -> 01:10:35.560] looking at various circuits that could be raced at by F1, they have to be grade one
[01:10:35.560 -> 01:10:40.920] listed, which does mean it narrows down a lot of the searches. So yeah, if we could
[01:10:40.920 -> 01:10:44.600] get to Scandinavia, that would be great, make it even more of a world championship. But
[01:10:44.600 -> 01:10:48.080] I suppose we do have to draw the line somewhere. We can't be going to every
[01:10:48.080 -> 01:10:53.120] single country as I think that might take a little bit of a while. How many countries
[01:10:53.120 -> 01:10:55.520] are there, like 273? Something?
[01:10:55.520 -> 01:10:56.520] 282.
[01:10:56.520 -> 01:11:02.880] Well, there you go. As much as I would love a daily Grand Prix, I think it would lose
[01:11:02.880 -> 01:11:03.880] its...
[01:11:03.880 -> 01:11:07.000] The Vatican City Grand Prix!
[01:11:07.000 -> 01:11:13.000] Oh my gosh, can we get the Pope-mobile involved for the drivers doing their little laps?
[01:11:13.000 -> 01:11:14.000] The safety car.
[01:11:14.000 -> 01:11:16.000] Oh my goodness, we've just started something.
[01:11:16.000 -> 01:11:20.000] Guys, guys, oh my goodness.
[01:11:20.000 -> 01:11:23.000] Oh, right, F1, this is for you.
[01:11:23.000 -> 01:11:24.000] We want this.
[01:11:24.000 -> 01:11:26.840] I'm going to start a petition, dear listeners,
[01:11:26.840 -> 01:11:30.720] dear listeners, you expect to receive an email from me in the next couple of days and I would
[01:11:30.720 -> 01:11:37.000] appreciate your signatures. I want the Pope-mobile as the safety car and I want it going around
[01:11:37.000 -> 01:11:43.280] with the Pope doing blessing babies and doing nice waves to, because it would be lovely,
[01:11:43.280 -> 01:11:45.640] a cultural aspect. Guys, we've got
[01:11:45.640 -> 01:11:49.040] something here. We actually have got something.
[01:11:49.040 -> 01:11:52.360] If you're watching this on TikTok, because I've no doubt this bit is going to end up
[01:11:52.360 -> 01:11:54.360] on TikTok now, let us know in the comments.
[01:11:54.360 -> 01:11:59.940] Oh my goodness, right. So I would like my request for next season, all I want is I want
[01:11:59.940 -> 01:12:06.240] a Vatican City Grand Prix and I want the safety car to be the Pope in his Pope-mobile. End of.
[01:12:06.880 -> 01:12:12.160] So on the subject of Scandinavia, we have a listener called Adam Danish who's written in to
[01:12:12.160 -> 01:12:16.240] us. I like that so great, that was really professional wasn't it? As a new War F1 fan,
[01:12:16.240 -> 01:12:21.440] I've loved listening to the podcast these past couple of years. Thank you Adam. I've got maybe
[01:12:21.440 -> 01:12:25.200] a stupid question, don't worry there's no such thing, but how do some
[01:12:25.200 -> 01:12:30.560] F1 corners get their nickname? Silverstone seems to be the king of this, so for example Maggots
[01:12:30.560 -> 01:12:36.400] and Becketts being one he thinks about a lot. Do any of us have a favorite corner name or favorite
[01:12:36.400 -> 01:12:41.040] memory of a certain corner? Right, I'm gonna, none of you talk, I want this one, I want this one
[01:12:41.040 -> 01:12:49.280] first. I'm jumping in. So, one of my favorite things about F1 is the, well, one of the things that
[01:12:49.280 -> 01:12:52.480] comes up most for me being in a social media space is gatekeeping.
[01:12:52.980 -> 01:12:56.280] There's so much of it in the sport with, oh, you're not a real fan.
[01:12:56.280 -> 01:12:59.080] Name who was the 1973 world champion.
[01:12:59.800 -> 01:13:00.900] And I hate gatekeeping.
[01:13:00.920 -> 01:13:01.520] It sucks.
[01:13:01.560 -> 01:13:02.240] It's awful.
[01:13:02.760 -> 01:13:06.320] But one thing I will always gatekeep is knowing your
[01:13:06.320 -> 01:13:13.120] corner names for your circuits. It's the way you know a top fan from a casual listener and there's
[01:13:13.120 -> 01:13:18.000] nothing wrong with a casual listener but I know who I'm talking to if I go, oh yeah I know they're
[01:13:18.000 -> 01:13:23.200] just going around cops right now because I know I get some funny looks when I'm on, I'll go like
[01:13:23.200 -> 01:13:25.200] sim racing or something and I'll be talking
[01:13:25.200 -> 01:13:30.080] through my lap on Silverstone and they'll go, how do you know all this? Because I went and I
[01:13:30.080 -> 01:13:35.120] learned it and I revised it. It's a rite of passage for all F1 fans. Right, put your hands down,
[01:13:35.120 -> 01:13:42.000] I'm not done. Right. So, for example, we look at Silverstone. Silverstone only has one corner,
[01:13:42.000 -> 01:13:49.880] this is a fun fact, Silverstone only has one corner that's actually named after the way it looks. Unlike a corner like Parabolica at Monza,
[01:13:49.880 -> 01:13:55.400] where it's shaped like a parabola, a curve, hence the name, Silverstone only has the loop
[01:13:55.400 -> 01:13:59.680] and that's the only name on the circuit that's after the shape. There's other corners, for
[01:13:59.680 -> 01:14:06.000] example, Stowe, named after the nearby Stowe School, a very famous private school. It's named according
[01:14:06.000 -> 01:14:12.320] to local landmarks. We've got the Wall of Champions in Canada where I think about six
[01:14:12.320 -> 01:14:17.720] different world champions have stacked it into this wall on a chicane. It's a rite of
[01:14:17.720 -> 01:14:25.360] passage in my opinion. Is it passage? Am I being northern right now? Is it passage? Am I being silly? Anyway,
[01:14:26.880 -> 01:14:32.560] sorry, I have a northern father and sometimes these isms slip out. So yeah, I know it's horrible.
[01:14:32.560 -> 01:14:36.400] Spanners is like going, oh, gross in the background for anyone who can't hear him.
[01:14:36.960 -> 01:14:42.480] But I'm going to go to the panel now. Iconic corners, some of these, absolutely iconic and
[01:14:42.480 -> 01:14:48.560] iconic for a reason, for example, Wall of Champions. What's your favorite? Go Spac... Go Trumpets.
[01:14:48.560 -> 01:14:51.760] All right, so I wish to disagree with your entire premise.
[01:14:53.440 -> 01:14:54.400] Unacceptable.
[01:14:54.400 -> 01:15:00.960] Corners are numbered and drivers and engineers only refer to the numbers when they talk to each
[01:15:00.960 -> 01:15:05.180] other. And if we're going to talk about where the names for Silverstein came from, it could
[01:15:05.180 -> 01:15:11.200] be basically, basically described as things we found laying on the ground near here.
[01:15:11.200 -> 01:15:15.480] If you go through all of the turns, and I guess we include turns like Parabolica.
[01:15:15.480 -> 01:15:19.160] Oh, it looked like a bird that I saw flying past.
[01:15:19.160 -> 01:15:20.160] So I call it that.
[01:15:20.160 -> 01:15:22.080] The names are for the commentators.
[01:15:22.080 -> 01:15:25.720] The names are for the fans, but you do not have to learn the names
[01:15:25.840 -> 01:15:27.400] to be a fan of Formula One.
[01:15:28.560 -> 01:15:29.280] That's not what I said.
[01:15:29.320 -> 01:15:30.960] I would I will I will not go down as a
[01:15:30.960 -> 01:15:32.040] gatekeeper. I will not.
[01:15:32.120 -> 01:15:33.680] I would I would clarify my point.
[01:15:33.680 -> 01:15:35.040] Chris, I know you're waving your hand.
[01:15:35.280 -> 01:15:37.040] Be patient. I'll be with you in a second.
[01:15:37.680 -> 01:15:39.800] I will not say that you
[01:15:40.160 -> 01:15:41.480] to qualify as a fan you need to know
[01:15:41.480 -> 01:15:42.080] your corner names.
[01:15:42.120 -> 01:15:44.360] I'm just saying it's an important rite
[01:15:44.360 -> 01:15:49.120] of passage. Everyone has to sit looking at a circuit map and go oh is this maggots
[01:15:49.120 -> 01:15:52.240] or becketts because I've been through it we all have to go through it. Chris.
[01:15:52.240 -> 01:15:58.000] Yeah I love how Matt started his point by saying oh well drivers only use uh numbers so you're an
[01:15:58.000 -> 01:16:02.160] idiot for using corner names and then ended this point with but you should be a fan if you want to
[01:16:02.160 -> 01:16:06.920] I don't think I called anyone an idiot for using numbers or names.
[01:16:06.920 -> 01:16:12.960] You did. You said it specifically. Look, I love corner names. I love corner names. I
[01:16:12.960 -> 01:16:17.880] love the history of where they get them from. And you know, Matt is right. 99% of corner
[01:16:17.880 -> 01:16:27.600] names are just whatever they're next to, you know, for example, at the first corner at Monaco is named after the chapel, or they're
[01:16:27.600 -> 01:16:35.360] named after people of significance. So same track at Monaco, Anthony Noakes, or the going back to
[01:16:35.360 -> 01:16:40.720] places, there's the Fairmont Hotel, or whatever they, whatever that hotel is called now, it's
[01:16:40.720 -> 01:16:45.200] had three different names over the last 60 odd years.
[01:16:45.200 -> 01:16:52.520] So I like the ones with a bit of backstory to them as well, like Eau Rouge, very famous.
[01:16:52.520 -> 01:16:58.000] Red River, because of the Red River that runs under the circuit there, right?
[01:16:58.000 -> 01:17:02.120] And so people of significance, or they get named after a driver.
[01:17:02.120 -> 01:17:04.280] Yes, and that's a lovely touch.
[01:17:04.280 -> 01:17:05.000] Yeah. Yes. So you's a lovely touch. Yeah.
[01:17:05.000 -> 01:17:06.000] Yes.
[01:17:06.000 -> 01:17:08.000] So you have Ascari at Monza, for example.
[01:17:08.000 -> 01:17:09.000] The Senna S's.
[01:17:09.000 -> 01:17:13.000] You have the Senna S's, the Hamilton Straight now as well.
[01:17:13.000 -> 01:17:16.000] I'm sure there are others that I'm not remembering.
[01:17:16.000 -> 01:17:22.000] I would love to do a show dedicated to every corner name in Formula One
[01:17:22.000 -> 01:17:24.000] and how they got their name.
[01:17:24.000 -> 01:17:26.000] And every listener just fell asleep.
[01:17:26.000 -> 01:17:29.000] You know what Chris, you've lost your talking rights.
[01:17:29.000 -> 01:17:30.000] Christian?
[01:17:30.000 -> 01:17:32.000] So, this just in.
[01:17:32.000 -> 01:17:38.000] Originally, the corners at the Spa was named after European cities.
[01:17:38.000 -> 01:17:39.000] Oh wow!
[01:17:39.000 -> 01:17:46.160] When they built the track back in I think the early 70s or maybe late 60s. So Corner 9, which is the interesting
[01:17:46.160 -> 01:17:52.560] corner on SPA, was originally called... No, I'm going to wait with the original.
[01:17:52.560 -> 01:17:55.360] What's it called now? Just so we all know which one you're talking about.
[01:17:55.360 -> 01:17:56.560] It's called Jackie X.
[01:17:57.120 -> 01:17:58.720] Oh, you mean Speaker's Corner?
[01:17:59.280 -> 01:18:09.000] Yeah, or Rivage 2. So it's been known as Speaker's Corner because I think it was where the speaker was back in the days for all the fans there.
[01:18:09.000 -> 01:18:16.000] No, it was the only, like, apart from Eau Rouge and like the main straight, it was the only corner you could see from the commentary box.
[01:18:16.000 -> 01:18:28.640] Ah, that was how, yeah. And then it was called Rivage 2 because it was after Rivage, and then it's most famously been called No Name for some strange reason, and now it's officially been named Jaggie X. But back in the day when they built the track,
[01:18:28.640 -> 01:18:32.880] this corner was actually called Copenhagen, which is funny because I'm from Denmark.
[01:18:34.080 -> 01:18:38.560] So we can laugh now. I like corner names. I think they add something to a circuit,
[01:18:38.560 -> 01:18:43.440] and you know a circuit is a classic when it's got the corner names. Something to me,
[01:18:43.440 -> 01:18:46.080] it really appeals to me as a fan, you
[01:18:46.080 -> 01:18:52.480] know, you feel like you're coming home to Spar, you know, with La Source into Eau Rouge,
[01:18:52.480 -> 01:18:57.520] into Radion, it's all beautiful and it's feel there's something so classic about it that
[01:18:57.520 -> 01:19:00.520] I think really adds to the character of a circuit.
[01:19:00.520 -> 01:19:07.880] No, I can't agree with that at all. There are, there are nice ones at Silverstone
[01:19:07.880 -> 01:19:12.080] as well. Obviously, they got Brooklands, which is named after the Brooklands circuit, which
[01:19:12.080 -> 01:19:17.480] is the oldest racetrack in the world, I think it's certainly in the UK. There are nice ones
[01:19:17.480 -> 01:19:25.840] on the Aintree, very similar as well. And then you've got like Hanger Strait as well because Silverstone used to be a World War II
[01:19:25.840 -> 01:19:31.760] like airfield, so it was named after the hangars and then you've got Wellington Strait named after
[01:19:31.760 -> 01:19:36.080] the Wellington bombers that they used to house there as well. So I like the fact that you get
[01:19:36.080 -> 01:19:42.320] this sense of history and it's why really only the older circuits tend to have this because they've
[01:19:42.320 -> 01:19:46.800] been around for you know 40, 50, 60 odd years.
[01:19:46.800 -> 01:19:50.620] The ones I'm really unfamiliar with though are the ones at Zandvoort.
[01:19:50.620 -> 01:19:53.120] I really need to learn more of those.
[01:19:53.120 -> 01:19:58.780] And I will pitch to Spanners during the off-season to do a corner naming show, regardless of
[01:19:58.780 -> 01:20:00.960] how you feel about that, Antonio.
[01:20:00.960 -> 01:20:02.560] Just a small comment on that.
[01:20:02.560 -> 01:20:06.700] I think one thing we forget about this is when you have those local
[01:20:06.700 -> 01:20:08.700] names, it brings a lot to the story.
[01:20:08.700 -> 01:20:13.700] So if you go to France, for instance, 80% of the story is just
[01:20:13.700 -> 01:20:17.300] commentators talking about where we are now, the red wine, yada, yada, yada.
[01:20:17.300 -> 01:20:20.900] And we need this like heritage when we go to a track.
[01:20:20.900 -> 01:20:24.900] Las Vegas is one thing, but when we go to the old classical tracks,
[01:20:24.900 -> 01:20:25.000] all the history that it brings, I think a lot of that is in the We go to a track, Las Vegas is one thing, but when we go to the old classical tracks,
[01:20:25.480 -> 01:20:30.540] all the history that it brings, I think a lot of that is in the names and in the
[01:20:30.540 -> 01:20:35.040] things we remember or the accidents happening around some name that is locally
[01:20:35.040 -> 01:20:35.280] found.
[01:20:36.720 -> 01:20:41.440] We'll tie this up, but before we do from this question, I would like to know, just
[01:20:41.440 -> 01:20:46.320] to answer Adam Daneshire's question, do we have a favourite corner or
[01:20:46.320 -> 01:20:52.160] a favourite memory at a corner? So I'm going to go in first. For me, it's Eau Rouge Rédéon.
[01:20:52.160 -> 01:20:58.600] It's a bucket list thing for me to go to spa and watch the race from Eau Rouge. For me,
[01:20:58.600 -> 01:21:06.080] as a fan, that is the one thing where if I don't go to a race in my life the one I'd be most devastated not to go to
[01:21:06.080 -> 01:21:13.280] would be Spa and I would want to sit at Eau Rouge and for me it's just the most iconic of course
[01:21:13.280 -> 01:21:19.520] not necessarily in the best way given its history with accidents but I love it. So let's go through
[01:21:19.520 -> 01:21:31.120] the panel. Chris your favorite or most memorable corner? So just on the Eau Rouge, as somebody who has been up Eau Rouge, climbed up it earlier this year on
[01:21:31.120 -> 01:21:35.840] my first visit to Spa, it is a rite of passage. The first time you go to Spa, you should find some
[01:21:35.840 -> 01:21:39.920] time if possible to try and get up Eau Rouge. I tried to do the same thing at Monza but the banking
[01:21:39.920 -> 01:21:46.720] couldn't quite squeeze that in, I was very annoyed at myself but anyway. And yes, it is true that when you're going up it all you can see is sky
[01:21:46.720 -> 01:21:52.800] and the tops of trees. Wonderful, right? But in terms of, I'm looking at this and
[01:21:52.800 -> 01:21:58.160] which ones do I like doing on the sim the most when I'm doing iRacing?
[01:21:58.160 -> 01:22:02.000] That to me, because iRacing is just easy flat these days, right? Even in
[01:22:02.000 -> 01:22:05.920] you know GT machinery since it got reproiled, it's just flat now.
[01:22:12.640 -> 01:22:18.560] I would say P1. Same track, but for me, I'd love in the sim when you're approaching P1 and you just do that little lift and then chuck it in back on the power, you try and hang on to it for as
[01:22:18.560 -> 01:22:27.120] long as possible. It's so satisfying when you get it right. Okay. Okay, so Chris is putting himself in driver's shoes.
[01:22:27.120 -> 01:22:28.440] Matty, are you going to do the same?
[01:22:28.440 -> 01:22:31.240] What's a corner that you're particularly fond of?
[01:22:31.240 -> 01:22:36.840] Well, I was going to say, I think from a watching point of view, the S's at Suzuka remain one
[01:22:36.840 -> 01:22:40.000] of my favorite things to observe.
[01:22:40.000 -> 01:23:06.200] However, as a driver, and as a driver who's actually driven the circuit, I'm going with maggots and beckons. And it's just because on one of my not as many as I wanted laps and an actual race car, I got to that left hander. And I thought there's no way I'm going to get… I'm going too fast.
[01:23:06.200 -> 01:23:11.520] While the person in the other seat was yelling at me, turn more!
[01:23:11.520 -> 01:23:14.520] And I did, and the car just stuck.
[01:23:14.520 -> 01:23:18.600] It was astonishing, and it was my first lesson.
[01:23:18.600 -> 01:23:21.040] Pip Hammond, friend of the show.
[01:23:21.040 -> 01:23:22.040] Love that guy.
[01:23:22.040 -> 01:23:23.040] Awesome driver.
[01:23:23.040 -> 01:23:28.480] Excellent, excellent builder of race cars and multi champion
[01:23:28.480 -> 01:23:34.080] in 750 MC. Classic stock hatch. Chris, was that where you started your commentating? That's
[01:23:34.080 -> 01:23:38.640] certainly where you started your reporting. It is where I was reporting. I wasn't commentating
[01:23:38.640 -> 01:23:42.240] just then yet, but Pip actually has been on the mic with me at our own karting events.
[01:23:47.120 -> 01:23:54.480] been on the mic with me at our own karting events. This is true. This is true. And it was my first lesson in how much the difference is between the performance of a car built to race and a car that
[01:23:54.480 -> 01:24:00.080] you drive on the roads. And for that reason, it will always stick with me. So anyone who goes
[01:24:00.080 -> 01:24:05.200] through there flat, yeah, impressive. Okay. Okay. This is, this is good.
[01:24:05.200 -> 01:24:08.080] Christian, are you also going to offer a driver's perspective?
[01:24:09.040 -> 01:24:11.040] I don't care about the names really.
[01:24:12.760 -> 01:24:15.240] For me, it's, it's definitely a driving perspective.
[01:24:15.240 -> 01:24:19.880] And, uh, if you can get the S's at Suzuka right, I'm not sure
[01:24:19.880 -> 01:24:24.880] there's anything more rewarding, but it is also a combination of corners, right?
[01:24:24.720 -> 01:24:26.800] anything more rewarding, but it is also a combination of corners, right?
[01:24:30.160 -> 01:24:30.800] If you can get that right, and I'm only talking Sim, of course,
[01:24:32.720 -> 01:24:39.040] it's a very, very rewarding feeling. But T1 in Suzuka as well has some of the same, the speed you put into there and T2,
[01:24:39.040 -> 01:24:41.840] I mean, just that entire combination of corners is legendary.
[01:24:41.840 -> 01:24:43.680] I will have to agree, Chris, very quickly.
[01:24:43.680 -> 01:24:48.000] Just in terms of what has the best name, some of the ones at the Nordschleife,
[01:24:48.720 -> 01:24:51.760] where you do actually have to, you know, know the corner name, you can't go in,
[01:24:51.760 -> 01:24:54.720] oh yeah, at turn 126, the car was oversteered.
[01:24:54.720 -> 01:25:02.160] So there are some good ones like the Foxhole, which is because there was a fox that like died
[01:25:02.160 -> 01:25:09.440] in a part of the circuit when it was being... yeah, during the construction.
[01:25:09.440 -> 01:25:16.720] And then there's ones named after local monks or local gallows. There's so much history
[01:25:16.720 -> 01:25:21.840] in that. If you've got a spare 10 minutes, Google the names of the Nordschleife Corners
[01:25:21.840 -> 01:25:23.300] and where they get the names from.
[01:25:23.300 -> 01:25:28.000] Oh, well, guys, that's very interesting interesting and it's nice to always hear everyone's opinions on this.
[01:25:28.000 -> 01:25:32.200] So please, if you have a favourite corner or a favourite memory of a corner,
[01:25:32.200 -> 01:25:35.000] please do let us know. You can drop it in the comments here.
[01:25:35.000 -> 01:25:39.500] You can just send us an email, have a chat with us on feedback at missdapex.net.
[01:25:39.500 -> 01:25:42.000] And of course, if you would like one of your questions to be answered,
[01:25:42.000 -> 01:25:49.400] also you can use that email address to get in and we'll, I'm sure, have some very exciting debates with you. But that
[01:25:49.400 -> 01:25:52.960] is going to be all from us for tonight. Thank you very much for coming and listening and
[01:25:52.960 -> 01:25:58.000] spending some time with us, whether it's on your Monday morning commute, live on YouTube
[01:25:58.000 -> 01:26:03.840] or any other time. I think as Spanners always says, work hard, be kind and have fun. We'll
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