Mailbag Jan 29th 2023

Formula 1 Tik Tok star Antonia Rankin and Trumpets are joined by the voice of the London ePrix, Chris Stevens and driver analyst Alex ‘Jeansy’ Vangeen as they plumb the depths of listener queries. From historic races to strategic off-seasons, from new teammate battles to front wing fortitude, no static load test goes uncalculated in this, the latest episode of Missed Apex Podcast. 

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**Navigating the Nuances of Formula One: Insights from Experts**

In this episode of the Missed Apex Podcast, Antonia Rankin and her esteemed panel of experts delve into the intricacies of Formula One, addressing listener queries and offering their perspectives on various aspects of the sport.

**Testing and Preparation:**

With pre-season testing just around the corner, the panel discusses the limited testing opportunities teams have before the season begins. While more testing time could provide valuable insights and help mitigate issues like the porpoising experienced last season, the current restrictions aim to level the playing field and prevent excessive spending.

**Red Bull and Ford Partnership Rumors:**

Recent speculations about a potential partnership between Red Bull and Ford have sparked discussions among the panel. While such a partnership could bring significant resources to Red Bull, it would require careful management to ensure that Red Bull maintains control over the design and development of the power unit. The panel emphasizes the importance of a clear and balanced partnership structure.

**Cultural Differences in Sponsorship Mentions:**

The panel addresses the observation that Formula One drivers and commentators rarely mention sponsors during broadcasts. This practice, which contrasts with the extensive advertising seen in American sports, is attributed to cultural differences and the desire to maintain a focus on the sport rather than commercialism.

**Strategist Training and Skills:**

The panel explores the training and skills required for Formula One strategists. Strategists analyze past races, study opponents' decisions, and utilize advanced software tools to make rapid and informed decisions during races. Effective communication with mechanics and drivers is also crucial for successful strategy implementation.

**Team Dynamics and Driver Pairings:**

The panel highlights the importance of fostering positive team dynamics and effective communication between teammates. They emphasize the need for team principals to carefully manage driver pairings and ensure that drivers work well together both on and off the track.

**Conclusion:**

The Missed Apex Podcast provides an engaging and informative discussion on various aspects of Formula One, offering insights from experts and addressing listener queries. The panel's analysis covers testing, potential partnerships, cultural differences, strategist skills, and the significance of team dynamics. Formula One enthusiasts will appreciate the detailed and thought-provoking exploration of these topics. **Summary of the Missed Apex F1 Podcast Episode: "Floor Is Lava, Front Wing Strength, and New Driver Pairings"**

* **Floor Is Lava:**
* The hosts discuss the hypothetical scenario of playing "Floor is Lava" on a Formula One car.
* They conclude that it would be possible, but challenging, due to the strength of the car and the high lateral G-forces experienced during cornering.

* **Front Wing Strength:**
* A listener asks about the strength of Formula One front wings and whether they are brittle.
* The hosts explain that front wings are designed to withstand significant forces, including 1000 newtons of downforce and 5G of lateral acceleration in corners.
* They also mention that front wings are subject to a static flexibility test to ensure they can withstand these forces.

* **New Driver Pairings:**
* The hosts discuss the new driver pairings for the 2023 Formula One season.
* They predict that Kevin Magnussen will have the upper hand over Nico Hulkenberg at Haas, while Nyck de Vries will likely outperform Yuki Tsunoda at AlphaTauri.
* They also express their excitement about the return of Fernando Alonso to Aston Martin.

* **Other Topics:**
* The hosts briefly discuss the aerodynamic regulation changes for the 2023 season and their potential impact on the cars and racing.
* They also mention the upcoming "Drive to Survive" season 5 and express their hope that it will continue to attract new fans to Formula One.

**Overall, the episode is informative and engaging, with the hosts providing insightful analysis and commentary on a variety of Formula One topics.** * **Team Dynamics and Driver Performance:**

* The podcast discusses the upcoming changes in teammate pairings for the 2023 Formula 1 season and speculates on how these changes might affect team dynamics and driver performance.
* The panelists have differing opinions on which driver will perform better between Esteban Ocon and Pierre Gasly at Alpine, with Matt Trumpets favoring Ocon and Chris Stevens and Alex Vangeen backing Gasly.
* The panelists agree that Nyck de Vries is a more consistent driver than Yuki Tsunoda, but they believe Tsunoda has the potential to be faster if he can improve his consistency.
* There is some debate about whether Fernando Alonso's departure from Alpine will positively or negatively impact Ocon's performance, with Trumpets arguing that Ocon will benefit from being the team's clear number one driver and Stevens and Vangeen suggesting that Alonso's experience and leadership will be missed.

* **New Season Excitement:**

* The panelists express their excitement for the upcoming Formula 1 season and discuss some of the things they are most looking forward to.
* Chris Stevens is eager to see if Mercedes can challenge Red Bull and Ferrari for race wins, while Matt Trumpets is particularly interested in seeing how Oscar Piastri performs alongside Lando Norris at McLaren.
* Alex Vangeen believes that Piastri must perform well immediately to justify the hype surrounding him, and he emphasizes the importance of Piastri avoiding any public controversies.

* **Social Media and Driver Conduct:**

* The panelists briefly discuss the recent controversy surrounding Oscar Piastri's tweet announcing his departure from Alpine, with Antonia Rankin defending Piastri's right to respond publicly to the situation.
* Chris Stevens agrees with Rankin's perspective, arguing that Piastri was justified in making a public statement to quell speculation and rumors.

* **Upcoming Show Segments:**

* The panelists tease upcoming segments on the podcast, including a magazine show focusing on technology and a season launch episode featuring Spanners.

* **Conclusion:**

* The podcast concludes with the panelists thanking the listeners for tuning in and encouraging them to follow the panel's social media accounts for more Formula 1 content.

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[01:12.600 -> 01:19.880] You are listening to Missed Apex Podcast. We live F1. Hello, everyone. I'm Antonia Rankine, your host this week, while Spanners makes his way
[01:19.880 -> 01:24.280] home from his Spanish adventures. Tonight, we are going to be opening up our listener
[01:24.280 -> 01:29.760] email. And as always, we have a panel of various competence to give you their views on all
[01:29.760 -> 01:34.960] of your questions about the world of F1. But before we start, let me remind you that we
[01:34.960 -> 01:39.320] are an independent podcast produced in the podcasting shed with the kind permission of
[01:39.320 -> 01:44.160] our partners and patrons. We aim to bring you a race review before your Monday morning
[01:44.160 -> 01:45.100] commute. We may be wrong you a race review before your Monday morning commute. We may
[01:45.100 -> 01:54.160] be wrong, but we're first. Now, I know what you're all thinking. I am
[01:54.160 -> 01:59.360] slightly younger and considerably more female than Spanners, but I assure you that your
[01:59.360 -> 02:06.720] mailbag questions are in very safe hands with our panels. So joining me today is Mr. Apex Stalwart,
[02:06.720 -> 02:09.000] Matt's two rumpets.
[02:09.000 -> 02:11.880] You can tell it's 25 days to testing
[02:11.880 -> 02:14.440] because of the number of concepts
[02:14.440 -> 02:18.240] that get mistakenly labeled livery leaks.
[02:18.240 -> 02:20.400] I know we're being teased on Twitter at the moment,
[02:20.400 -> 02:21.240] aren't we?
[02:21.240 -> 02:25.680] We also have with us motorsports PR genius Chris Stevens.
[02:25.680 -> 02:31.360] Hi Antonia, just been watching the Daytona 24 hours, whole new era of sports car racing,
[02:31.360 -> 02:35.440] very much wetting my appetite for the Le Mans 24 hours later this year.
[02:36.080 -> 02:39.600] Yeah, we've got some really exciting things coming up, haven't we? Thank goodness the season is
[02:39.600 -> 02:45.920] well within sight. And also finally here we have sim racacer and streamer Alex Jeansy-Vanjean.
[02:45.920 -> 02:50.080] Good evening, looking forward to delving into the bag and seeing what the
[02:50.080 -> 02:52.480] patrons and people from Twitter want to ask us this week.
[02:53.200 -> 02:56.480] Yeah, it's super exciting. So with that, let's get into all of your questions.
[03:01.200 -> 03:06.320] So finally, the season is nearly upon us us and with that comes all of the excitement
[03:06.320 -> 03:10.580] of testing. So let's get straight into some questions. And on the topic of testing, we
[03:10.580 -> 03:16.560] have from Jason, who has said, I am a newbie to Formula One. During the time before Bahrain
[03:16.560 -> 03:20.600] testing, what types of testing are the teams allowed to do? You would think that the teams
[03:20.600 -> 03:24.840] each have a course in their backyards where they can make sure all of the parts fit together.
[03:24.840 -> 03:26.960] But if that were the case, Mercedes would have known about the
[03:26.960 -> 03:31.920] porpoising issue. A very good point. So on the topic of testing, of course, we've got
[03:31.920 -> 03:35.600] the pre-season in Bahrain, it's all very exciting and then we're straight into the
[03:35.600 -> 03:40.320] season, but it does seem like there's very little time before the season begins that
[03:40.320 -> 03:46.320] teams actually have to put these cars together. Now, I can offer a little bit of insight into this.
[03:46.320 -> 03:48.920] Teams are actually only allowed to test
[03:48.920 -> 03:50.680] the full ready-to-go cars,
[03:50.680 -> 03:54.080] either in free practice or in pre-season testing.
[03:54.080 -> 03:56.800] Anything else has to be on just parts of the car.
[03:56.800 -> 04:00.920] So for example, when I've been to factories in the past,
[04:00.920 -> 04:03.800] they've had cars from old season.
[04:03.800 -> 04:06.880] So for example, the whole car is 2018 except with
[04:06.880 -> 04:12.560] the winglets and the wheels being the new season. So they kind of mix and match a little bit.
[04:12.560 -> 04:16.560] But I mean, on the topic of testing, it's hard to know what to look out for, especially going
[04:16.560 -> 04:21.760] into a new season where there's new regulations coming in. So, I mean, Van Gene, you've self
[04:21.760 -> 04:25.760] professed that you're not hugely into the whole technical side of things.
[04:25.760 -> 04:29.920] So when testing does come around, what are you looking for?
[04:29.920 -> 04:31.960] I just like seeing race cars go vroom.
[04:31.960 -> 04:34.320] No, I don't mind the technical side of things.
[04:34.320 -> 04:37.400] I like seeing the new things that come on.
[04:37.400 -> 04:41.560] For me, it's the case of, okay, that's visibly different from what we had last year or the
[04:41.560 -> 04:43.880] previous race or whatever.
[04:43.880 -> 04:46.680] But I just love to see how the drivers react.
[04:46.680 -> 04:50.400] I love to see how difficult or easy they find a car to drive.
[04:50.400 -> 04:53.740] I love watching, because being my role in sales
[04:53.740 -> 04:57.640] in my real life, I often sort of analyze people.
[04:57.640 -> 05:00.520] And I very much like watching the reactions
[05:00.520 -> 05:02.080] of the people around the team.
[05:02.080 -> 05:05.440] So the drivers, the team managers, the mechanics,
[05:05.440 -> 05:11.840] on their body language and how they're behaving because that tells you more than the lap times
[05:11.840 -> 05:15.840] do on track. Yeah that's a really good point actually, I see where you're coming from. As
[05:15.840 -> 05:20.800] a psychologist I think it's really interesting in our first peak of the season ahead to kind of get
[05:20.800 -> 05:27.240] a look at how the team is gelling, how the driver's getting to grips with the car. Even if you are a self-professed layman
[05:27.240 -> 05:28.480] in these kinds of departments,
[05:28.480 -> 05:31.760] there is genuinely something for everyone in testing
[05:31.760 -> 05:33.360] to really keep an eye out for.
[05:33.360 -> 05:34.240] What about you, Chris?
[05:34.240 -> 05:35.840] What's your thoughts?
[05:35.840 -> 05:39.440] Well, obviously, testing used to be a really huge thing
[05:39.440 -> 05:42.040] back in the mid 2000s.
[05:42.040 -> 05:44.680] Like if they weren't racing, they were testing.
[05:44.680 -> 05:47.500] This of course was hugely unsustainable
[05:47.500 -> 05:53.520] and expensive, so that's when we started limiting the amount of testing. There used to be in-season
[05:53.520 -> 05:58.280] tests and they reduced it to just pre- and post-season testing, and even that has been
[05:58.280 -> 06:02.640] really curtailed to just down to three days. They used to do something in the way of eight
[06:02.640 -> 06:05.120] to twelve, even just a few
[06:05.120 -> 06:10.480] years ago, but they've really trimmed it down now with the exception of a couple of filming days,
[06:10.480 -> 06:17.040] even on these like filming days and demonstrations, you're so limited in terms of what cars you can
[06:17.040 -> 06:22.800] bring or what types of tyre you're allowed to use as well, like not proper race tyres, just
[06:22.800 -> 06:25.200] filming day tyres, which are nothing like
[06:25.200 -> 06:27.880] the actual race compounds whatsoever.
[06:27.880 -> 06:34.760] So yeah, really the first opportunity these teams get to run the car in its entirety is
[06:34.760 -> 06:36.400] at pre-season testing.
[06:36.400 -> 06:40.240] They do of course have the dynos and everything to test the engines and the power units to
[06:40.240 -> 06:44.000] make sure the car can actually run in some capacity.
[06:44.000 -> 06:45.200] But yeah, the first time it's all
[06:45.200 -> 06:50.000] kind of put together is on that first day of pre-season testing. And that's why it's such a
[06:50.640 -> 06:54.960] interesting time of the year. Yeah. And which is why we see so much trial and error from the
[06:54.960 -> 07:00.560] teams giving a new go. I mean, last season, the story was about Mercedes' side pods, for example,
[07:00.560 -> 07:04.000] and really giving a go at different things because you're right, they don't have very
[07:04.000 -> 07:08.560] much time. And I mean, three days, does it seem like enough? It seems like a very
[07:08.560 -> 07:13.120] sudden launch into the season. I mean, Trumpets, would you say actually that they probably
[07:13.120 -> 07:14.600] need more time?
[07:14.600 -> 07:20.900] Well, yeah, they could use more time. Do I want them to have it? No, not necessarily
[07:20.900 -> 07:30.600] because it increases the opportunity for things to have been gotten very, very wrong. They will almost certainly do a filming day, which is 100 kilometers maximum with
[07:30.600 -> 07:35.720] special tires, which I think are equivalent to sort of the full wet tires.
[07:35.720 -> 07:36.720] Okay.
[07:36.720 -> 07:42.800] And you're allowed two of those filming days a season now. And then you also get to what
[07:42.800 -> 07:45.360] are called demonstration days, which might be what
[07:45.360 -> 07:51.200] Red Bull is up to in New York shortly, where you're only allotted like 15 kilometers for that.
[07:51.200 -> 07:56.880] Anything besides that has to be in an older car, and by older car, what they mean is you can't use
[07:56.880 -> 08:02.640] a 22 car or this year's 23 car, you have to go back to the previous generation. Then you can get
[08:02.640 -> 08:05.840] like your younger drivers into older cars and give
[08:05.840 -> 08:10.640] them some experience on circuits. And I think the postseason test this year, if my reading of the
[08:10.640 -> 08:16.720] regulations is correct, is going to be but a single day after the last race, and we only have three,
[08:16.720 -> 08:27.080] whereas last season we had six days of testing, first in Barcelona and then in Bahrain. So it's definitely putting more stress on the simulation tools
[08:27.080 -> 08:32.640] and on the people writing software at the teams to get this right.
[08:32.640 -> 08:36.320] And that would be exactly where Mercedes, and not just Mercedes,
[08:36.320 -> 08:38.520] no one really picked up on the porpoising,
[08:38.520 -> 08:40.960] even people who thought it might be an issue.
[08:40.960 -> 08:45.840] The tools they had to hand were not sufficient to identify the issue, but
[08:45.840 -> 08:48.440] that also kind of makes it fun to watch.
[08:48.440 -> 08:52.320] That's very true. But I mean, in recent years, especially with the cost cap, there's become
[08:52.320 -> 08:56.360] a very pronounced emphasis on making sure that teams have as level a playing field as
[08:56.360 -> 09:01.360] possible. And with that has, of course, come restrictions with simulators, with wind tunnels.
[09:01.360 -> 09:07.120] And of course, if testing outside of those parameters has already been limited, then even with that,
[09:07.120 -> 09:08.720] there's even less time within the season
[09:08.720 -> 09:11.080] to be testing things and making things right.
[09:11.080 -> 09:12.680] But I mean, going back to your point, Matt,
[09:12.680 -> 09:14.440] I mean, Vanjean, would you agree,
[09:14.440 -> 09:16.600] it does make things a little bit more interesting
[09:16.600 -> 09:19.720] if there's a little bit of trial and error going on?
[09:19.720 -> 09:21.560] Oh yeah, the whole season is a testing window,
[09:21.560 -> 09:24.640] which is great for us because we get to see them rise
[09:24.640 -> 09:30.720] and fall throughout the course of the season and succeed and fail as well. But the reason these
[09:30.720 -> 09:36.160] testing bans were brought in was more to save the teams from themselves because you can't stop the
[09:36.160 -> 09:41.280] team spending money. If you don't give them restrictions they will spend and spend and spend
[09:41.280 -> 09:47.340] and spend. And you know we had back in the days, you had test teams that would have two or three test teams off
[09:47.340 -> 09:49.040] at different circuits around the track,
[09:49.040 -> 09:51.960] testing various different things all year round
[09:51.960 -> 09:55.640] for the current car and the next season's car.
[09:55.640 -> 09:58.440] Ferrari have a, as the original poster said,
[09:58.440 -> 10:01.280] Ferrari do have a test track in their own backyard.
[10:01.280 -> 10:06.200] They have a Fiorano, and it's literally in their back garden.
[10:06.200 -> 10:08.080] They can chuck a car on there whenever they want,
[10:08.080 -> 10:09.600] and that's exactly what they did.
[10:09.600 -> 10:14.080] When Schumacher was destroying everybody,
[10:14.080 -> 10:16.680] it was because he was testing all the time.
[10:16.680 -> 10:19.960] They had, was it Bridgestone with Ferrari?
[10:19.960 -> 10:21.480] Yes, I'm getting nods.
[10:21.480 -> 10:23.800] Bridgestone had specific tires for Schumacher
[10:23.800 -> 10:25.360] that he would just test and test
[10:25.360 -> 10:30.400] and test and that just brought everything forward. It was a case of right enough is enough,
[10:30.400 -> 10:35.680] we need to even this out. I mean, I would go for one more week of testing just to build things up
[10:35.680 -> 10:39.360] a little bit more build out, build in the reliability so we don't get the failures of
[10:39.360 -> 10:44.320] reliability throughout the season. But other than that, I think it's about perfect now.
[10:44.880 -> 10:48.320] Okay, that's very nice. So you say actually, if we just knock another week onto that,
[10:48.320 -> 10:52.960] it might just level that out a bit and find the balance between chaos during the season,
[10:52.960 -> 10:57.680] and then in the future. Yeah, I think that's a good idea. Maybe if we mediate the amount
[10:57.680 -> 11:02.320] of craziness on track this year, I mean, paw-pissing was a scandal almost within the
[11:02.320 -> 11:09.840] community just because everyone was completely flying off the handle trying to find what on earth was going wrong and maybe a little bit extra testing time
[11:09.840 -> 11:14.000] could have just eased that. But again, it added a bit of a spanner in the works and that was quite
[11:14.000 -> 11:19.520] fun, wasn't it? I want to go back to something you mentioned Trumpets talking about Red Bull
[11:19.520 -> 11:26.800] being in New York. So we have a question here from Sean and he said, with Red Bull launching their season
[11:26.800 -> 11:32.480] in New York, the rumours of them partnering with Ford have increased and in that capacity,
[11:32.480 -> 11:38.560] but then could it be damaging for a team like Red Bull to partner with a team like Ford who
[11:38.560 -> 11:46.240] aren't in F1 currently? Well, it could be, depending upon how the nature of that partnership is managed.
[11:46.240 -> 11:51.760] I mean, I've certainly read of people saying, you know, big manufacturers coming in and
[11:51.760 -> 11:58.080] we could look at Toyota, for example, Honda, and many others have come in and said, we
[11:58.080 -> 12:01.160] know what we're doing, we're going to do it our way.
[12:01.160 -> 12:07.200] But in this case, I don't think Red Bull, and this is perhaps why the Porsche deal got
[12:07.200 -> 12:12.800] the kibosh put on it, I don't think that Red Bull is going to allow for a partnership
[12:12.800 -> 12:19.760] that works that way. Ford will have significant resources for Red Bull to draw on. But Red Bull,
[12:19.760 -> 12:31.880] the racing team, will very much want to be in the quote-unquote driver's seat of moving that power unit chassis design forward and Ford is going to have to
[12:31.880 -> 12:36.480] agree to that ahead of time. For Ford this is not a bad deal. Red Bull is a
[12:36.480 -> 12:42.320] very competitive team. They get to put their branding on it. Their big rival GM
[12:42.320 -> 12:46.140] and Cadillac is making a huge bid to be in, this is a cheaper
[12:46.140 -> 12:51.360] way for them to get in, a much cheaper way at a much higher level with way less risk.
[12:51.360 -> 12:56.160] To me, it sounds like a great thing. Plus, there is a history of Ford in Formula One.
[12:56.160 -> 13:02.300] That's very true, actually. And going back to what you said about with Red Bull and Porsche,
[13:02.300 -> 13:05.120] there's going to be a little bit of a battle there if there is an equal
[13:05.120 -> 13:12.640] partnership, a 50-50 partnership, because no one's got direct authority, whereas a 49-51%
[13:12.640 -> 13:17.200] partnership would be ideal for Red Bull because they would still have the ultimate decision-making
[13:17.200 -> 13:21.120] ability. So what's everyone's thoughts on this, Chris?
[13:21.120 -> 13:25.680] So first of all, I'm not entirely convinced that because they're launching in New York,
[13:25.680 -> 13:27.840] this means they're announcing a Ford partnership.
[13:27.840 -> 13:30.600] Bit of a reach.
[13:30.600 -> 13:33.820] But then again, if they said we're announcing it in Detroit, maybe that would have been
[13:33.820 -> 13:34.820] too obvious.
[13:34.820 -> 13:38.060] So maybe there is something to it.
[13:38.060 -> 13:40.040] With regards to, is it a bad idea?
[13:40.040 -> 13:47.760] I mean, the idea of, say, the 2026 regulations, for example, present a clean slate pretty much
[13:47.760 -> 13:54.160] for everyone. And that's why all these manufacturers that are coming in are coming in then. Not like
[13:54.160 -> 14:00.640] when Honda came in a year behind everyone else and really, really struggled. Not just because of that,
[14:00.640 -> 14:05.040] because they were partnering with McLarenaren who did absolutely nothing to help them
[14:05.040 -> 14:11.680] with the development of that engine whatsoever. So I don't think it will immediately bring
[14:11.680 -> 14:17.360] Red Bull back, but you know, they've got Red Bull powertrains, it's not enough to build an engine
[14:17.360 -> 14:23.280] themselves, the resources that they have, and that's why they want a partner to help design
[14:23.280 -> 14:25.400] the engines and then build them at
[14:25.400 -> 14:27.040] the factory in Milton Keynes.
[14:27.040 -> 14:29.800] And that was kind of the idea behind the Porsche thing as well.
[14:29.800 -> 14:35.600] And it is, as Matt said, a very attractive idea for the manufacturers to spread the load.
[14:35.600 -> 14:37.720] And as you mentioned, it's more cost effective.
[14:37.720 -> 14:39.360] Okay, that's interesting.
[14:39.360 -> 14:44.600] So I guess with Red Bull, Ford are a very attractive company, you know, obviously a
[14:44.600 -> 14:46.720] complete motorsports giant.
[14:46.720 -> 14:52.000] I mean, Vanjean, what would you say about this? I mean, firstly, I agree with Chris on just because
[14:52.000 -> 14:57.440] in New York doesn't tell me it's going to be just because it's Ford. They are F1 is trying as hard
[14:57.440 -> 15:09.040] as it can to break America. So why not go to their biggest city? You know, it's it that's best city. Okay. All right, Mr. Mr. Brooklyn.
[15:12.080 -> 15:16.240] To give you a bit of an idea with a bit of a history on on on Ford, they haven't been in
[15:16.240 -> 15:26.680] Formula One since 2004. And their last championship win was with Michael Schumacher in 1994. So it's been a very long time since they've
[15:26.680 -> 15:31.080] made anything modern in the era of Formula 1.
[15:31.080 -> 15:34.560] And they had a very long period of no success.
[15:34.560 -> 15:35.720] So are they capable?
[15:35.720 -> 15:36.800] Of course they're capable.
[15:36.800 -> 15:40.280] If Audi can come in and deal with it, sure.
[15:40.280 -> 15:42.280] But I don't know.
[15:42.280 -> 15:44.120] It all depends on what Honda want to do,
[15:44.120 -> 15:46.200] whether they want to disappear from Red Bull or not.
[15:46.200 -> 15:49.120] Yeah, I think that's a good point, to be honest.
[15:49.120 -> 15:51.240] I mean, Trumpets, what about you?
[15:51.240 -> 15:57.100] Well, I just want to be clear about what I'm thinking here of the nature of the Ford relationship.
[15:57.100 -> 16:03.360] It's going to be more of a badged Red Bull power unit than it is going to be an in-house
[16:03.360 -> 16:06.600] effort from Ford. Number one. And that's
[16:06.600 -> 16:10.080] good for Ford because they don't have to take the risk but they can supply
[16:10.080 -> 16:13.940] supplemental knowledge and get their name on it. And it's good for Red Bull
[16:13.940 -> 16:17.580] because they can drive the design between the chassis and the power unit
[16:17.580 -> 16:22.080] however they see fit. It will perhaps depend on what they want to do with
[16:22.080 -> 16:25.960] Honda and that's fine. But the reason this rumor has surfaced,
[16:26.440 -> 16:29.680] and I would expect you to be on top of this, is because apparently Ford
[16:29.680 -> 16:34.760] is sending content creators the same weekend as Red Bull to New York.
[16:34.760 -> 16:37.560] And this is where this rumor has surfaced from.
[16:37.560 -> 16:42.720] It's not just that, oh, they're doing it in an American city and Ford is American.
[16:42.920 -> 16:45.320] That's like, oh, you live in London. Do you
[16:45.320 -> 16:49.840] know so-and-so? I know so-and-so that lives in London. I mean, it's fun. But they're very
[16:49.840 -> 16:55.520] specifically sending the kind of team that might be at this event. And being at that
[16:55.520 -> 16:59.040] event, it's hard not to speculate, mostly because we don't have any real news to talk
[16:59.040 -> 17:05.840] about, about what might be behind it. It is a, theoretically, it's a great opportunity
[17:05.840 -> 17:08.180] for both sides, but yeah,
[17:08.180 -> 17:10.940] we're just gonna have to wait and see, unfortunately.
[17:10.940 -> 17:13.340] Yeah, I mean, I suppose social media, content creators,
[17:13.340 -> 17:15.900] that's my area of expertise, allegedly, isn't it?
[17:15.900 -> 17:19.220] Yeah, no, I mean, sending content creators to a launch,
[17:19.220 -> 17:21.740] pretty standard procedure, especially nowadays,
[17:21.740 -> 17:23.740] it's a great way of engaging the younger generations,
[17:23.740 -> 17:28.800] you know, drive to survive fans are typically my age. It age. I don't think we can read too much into this,
[17:28.800 -> 17:33.360] and I think everyone can kind of agree. It's interesting that the launch is in New York.
[17:33.360 -> 17:39.040] It's not anything that's particularly groundbreaking. So we have to be careful
[17:39.040 -> 17:51.320] about the level of speculation here, but it's quite fun to pick it apart. Speaking of America, we have one of our American fans who's written in here from Matt. Matt has said about the sponsorships
[17:51.320 -> 17:57.200] with the differences between the UK and the US. He said, he really enjoys the sport, but
[17:57.200 -> 18:00.760] noticed something strange. Everyone in the sport seems to refuse to ever mention the
[18:00.760 -> 18:06.720] sponsors and even primary sponsors. So between those different kind of
[18:07.520 -> 18:11.760] UK, US, there's going to be a little bit of cultural differences, I suppose, in the way
[18:11.760 -> 18:15.600] we address sponsors. I don't think there's too much to read into that, Chris.
[18:16.320 -> 18:22.720] Yeah, this isn't America. Formula One, as much as they want it to be, is not an American sport.
[18:22.720 -> 18:25.000] And I know Matt's going gonna come in and tell us about
[18:25.000 -> 18:30.560] how advertising is amazing, because in America you get more adverts than you do actual programming.
[18:30.560 -> 18:33.880] Anybody who watched Daytona this weekend knows you've got five minutes of track action, and
[18:33.880 -> 18:39.800] then ten minutes of adverts. It's astonishing to me, it's really bizarre, I think, the European
[18:39.800 -> 18:45.600] mindset towards it. And I think it maybe stems back to something like way back in the 60s
[18:45.600 -> 18:50.960] when sponsorship was considered vulgar, and they're like, oh, we're going to have to get
[18:50.960 -> 18:56.440] brands from outside of the automotive industry to come and give us money so that we can keep
[18:56.440 -> 18:57.440] going racing.
[18:57.440 -> 19:03.040] And it was kind of, people turned their nose up at it at the time, and maybe it stems from
[19:03.040 -> 19:07.680] that. I think it also is just impractical to say
[19:07.680 -> 19:10.960] Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One team every time you just
[19:10.960 -> 19:12.520] want to refer to Mercedes.
[19:12.520 -> 19:15.200] Now, of course, there was a reference in this question
[19:15.200 -> 19:17.880] as well about how they never hear Lewis Hamilton say
[19:17.880 -> 19:18.840] Petronas.
[19:18.840 -> 19:22.280] And of course, they do other marketing materials away
[19:22.280 -> 19:28.560] from the racetrack where they do like sponsored adverts and other
[19:28.560 -> 19:34.640] bits of content where they do get the drivers involved. But I know for a fact that particularly
[19:34.640 -> 19:39.720] for the Mercedes drivers trying to get them to do sponsorship stuff, like you maybe get
[19:39.720 -> 19:46.800] them for like two days of the year. So their time is heavily in demand and that's why you don't see
[19:46.800 -> 19:52.640] so much of it. Oh absolutely, I mean drivers being dragged away for a marketing you know TikTok every
[19:52.640 -> 19:58.880] five minutes would hardly be ideal but I mean it's I think a video circulated pretty recently
[19:58.880 -> 20:03.840] of Lewis and they were all it might have been Toto for Drive to Survive saying the team that they
[20:04.400 -> 20:05.320] are with and they couldn't remember what the name of the team was the full Mercedes team they were all, it might've been Toto for Drive to Survive, saying the team that they are with.
[20:05.320 -> 20:08.280] And they couldn't remember what the name of the team was,
[20:08.280 -> 20:09.500] the full Mercedes team.
[20:09.500 -> 20:11.640] They were going, is it AMG Petronas?
[20:11.640 -> 20:12.480] Do you need the AMG?
[20:12.480 -> 20:13.760] And they had to have someone come in
[20:13.760 -> 20:15.920] and let them know what they needed to say.
[20:15.920 -> 20:18.520] But I mean, whilst the sponsors are of course involved,
[20:18.520 -> 20:20.720] seems a bit of a mouthful to keep mentioning it,
[20:20.720 -> 20:23.800] or maybe it's due to broadcasting rights, Chris?
[20:23.800 -> 20:28.640] I was wondering if this is some sort of clash with the broadcasters, but then no
[20:28.640 -> 20:37.520] broadcasters do it at all, apart from maybe in America. So yeah, I think it's just a practicality
[20:37.520 -> 20:38.320] thing.
[20:38.320 -> 20:39.680] And Gene, what do you think?
[20:39.680 -> 20:44.240] I would go with that they are discouraged from doing it on the TV broadcast because of,
[20:44.240 -> 20:49.780] for example, obviously F1 TV gets the Sky Sky feed so Sky aren't going to go mentioning
[20:49.780 -> 20:54.180] a whole bunch of sponsors that aren't relevant to them.
[20:54.180 -> 20:59.620] I've watched other TV shows that are broadcast in America then sent over here and they'll
[20:59.620 -> 21:05.920] have banners for adverts on the bottom and they'll blank them out because it's not their sponsorship. Hence the
[21:05.920 -> 21:12.080] reason the drivers look like walking billboards and there are just their sponsorships everywhere
[21:12.080 -> 21:17.600] and all over them and that's what the TV time is for. The TV time is there for them to, on track
[21:17.600 -> 21:22.480] that is, for the cars to be seen and the sponsors to be seen. And a quick thing with regards to that
[21:22.480 -> 21:27.960] thing you mentioned about Drive to Survive and them not and the Mercedes boys not knowing the name of the team when they
[21:27.960 -> 21:33.280] were doing a name teams beginning with the letter and they said M and Lewis couldn't
[21:33.280 -> 21:39.160] name a team. Great Lewis, well done mate. Gosh, that's criminal. McLaren was there so
[21:39.160 -> 21:43.920] many, I think someone said Maranello or something. There was some really random words beginning
[21:43.920 -> 21:45.680] with M that were being thrown out in that.
[21:45.680 -> 21:46.600] Yeah, no.
[21:46.600 -> 21:47.480] Well, okay, right.
[21:47.480 -> 21:50.720] Let's move on then to some questions from our patrons.
[21:50.720 -> 21:52.560] So we've actually had a letter come in
[21:52.560 -> 21:56.800] from who we believe is our second longest patron,
[21:56.800 -> 21:58.600] Michael Abon.
[21:58.600 -> 22:02.280] And he's, gosh, imagine being the second longest patron.
[22:02.280 -> 22:03.640] I mean, crazy.
[22:03.640 -> 22:07.080] Anyway, Michael Abon has written in and from just £2 a month,
[22:07.080 -> 22:12.560] if you want to be writing in and hearing extra updates about our podcast,
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[22:23.320 -> 22:28.200] So from Michael Abon, we have had,
[22:28.200 -> 22:29.480] hey Matt and Spanners,
[22:29.480 -> 22:31.960] I just want to say that while I don't really participate
[22:31.960 -> 22:34.540] in Slack or the live stream or the iRacing,
[22:34.540 -> 22:38.280] I haven't missed an episode since the dad hub days.
[22:38.280 -> 22:41.280] Missed Apex makes such an improvement to my F1 experience,
[22:41.280 -> 22:43.940] whether that's the tech time or the guests or the banter,
[22:43.940 -> 22:46.280] I've always enjoyed seeing how much you've grown and being with you
[22:46.280 -> 22:47.720] every step of the way."
[22:47.720 -> 22:49.000] That's very nice.
[22:49.000 -> 22:52.100] So with us in that aspect, let's bring in some
[22:52.100 -> 22:56.520] of the questions from our wonderful, wonderful patrons.
[22:56.520 -> 23:01.520] So let's go with a question from Logan Kopke,
[23:03.680 -> 23:05.360] I apologize if I've mispronounced that. He said,
[23:05.360 -> 23:09.840] how do strategists train and practice for their job? What's the breakdown of skills on a strategy?
[23:09.840 -> 23:15.360] So looking forward to 2023 strategy, what's going to be coming into that? Are machine learning
[23:15.360 -> 23:21.280] engineers sought after? What's going to be looking forward to 2023? Obviously, we haven't got as much
[23:21.280 -> 23:29.280] of new regulations coming in this year. So those kinds of things aren't going to be as big as they were in 2022. But what do we think as a strategist, if we were a strategist on
[23:29.280 -> 23:33.760] an F1 team, let's go through what would be your main priority in optimising the performance of
[23:33.760 -> 23:38.720] the car going into 2023? Van Gene? This is where I'm going to embarrass myself. I was distracted
[23:38.720 -> 23:43.280] entirely by Slack and totally missed the question because we're all talking about
[23:43.280 -> 23:49.680] things that can't be mentioned on the podcast. So I would love to take the question again and then maybe
[23:49.680 -> 23:54.240] Steve can work his magic and edit it out. I feel as though you've, no, unacceptable I'm
[23:54.240 -> 24:01.320] moving on to Matt instead. Rightly so. Right so let's be clear, strategists do many things,
[24:01.320 -> 24:05.920] they're incredibly important in races but they don't set up the car.
[24:05.920 -> 24:11.920] If I was an F1 strategist, aside from, well, have you seen the film Rocky?
[24:11.920 -> 24:13.560] Maybe that's how I train in the offseason.
[24:13.560 -> 24:18.840] No, I suspect what strategists mainly do is, one, they play back the tape.
[24:18.840 -> 24:23.000] They look back at the previous season, look at decisions that were made that they considered
[24:23.000 -> 24:31.200] to be right and wrong, where they gained and lost places, and then try and implement processes to end up more on the good
[24:31.200 -> 24:37.280] side and less on the bad side. Secondly, I think they look at their opponents' decisions and see
[24:37.280 -> 24:42.640] where they are more susceptible to make incorrect decisions. How can I put pressure on them? Or in
[24:42.640 -> 24:47.740] what situation are we likely to be able to take advantage of them because of what we have seen.
[24:47.740 -> 24:53.700] And lastly, I suspect they spend a lot of time reading very abstruse, complicated mathematical
[24:53.700 -> 24:59.340] treatises and looking at the coding, because it's a thing that we have glimpsed, Spanners
[24:59.340 -> 25:06.320] and myself, briefly, and perhaps illicitly, the kinds of software tools that they get to use when they
[25:06.320 -> 25:16.000] make these choices very rapidly, and I suspect an awful lot of effort goes into updating
[25:16.000 -> 25:22.000] them, keeping them current, and making them more efficient, because the more cycles per
[25:22.000 -> 25:25.200] second or millisecond you can get out of your
[25:25.200 -> 25:29.960] computer chip doing this math and telling you these things the better
[25:29.960 -> 25:33.640] decisions you can make and then the other thing would be I guess always to
[25:33.640 -> 25:37.840] go over information flow how am I getting information about the tires how
[25:37.840 -> 25:41.240] accurate is that information how am I getting information about the weather
[25:41.240 -> 25:50.960] how accurate how quickly do I get that, how is my communication with the mechanics in the garage, how quickly can I, how much time do I have before they can't get
[25:50.960 -> 25:56.080] tires ready if I call a driver in last second. Things like that would be stuff that I would just
[25:56.080 -> 26:01.600] constantly review. Okay, right. So that ventured into maths for a second, which is, goodness
[26:01.600 -> 26:10.560] gracious, not my strong point at all. I'm going to throw in one of my considerations, which is about teammates. My priority, if I was a team principal with two
[26:11.520 -> 26:16.640] new driver pairing underneath me, my main priority actually would be not making the blunder that
[26:16.640 -> 26:21.760] previous team principals have made, which is not letting these drivers gel properly,
[26:21.760 -> 26:26.320] A, between themselves for a good dynamic within the team, but then
[26:26.320 -> 26:32.140] on track actually when they're racing against each other, what my priorities would be directly
[26:32.140 -> 26:33.140] onto them.
[26:33.140 -> 26:36.760] Because as we saw with, for example, Lando and Daniel, that was absolutely catastrophic
[26:36.760 -> 26:41.500] in terms of the chemistry between two drivers, the way that they worked effectively within
[26:41.500 -> 26:42.500] the team.
[26:42.500 -> 26:48.840] I mean, strategy is all about optimising the overall performance of the team. And unfortunately for me, that of course didn't work. And you
[26:48.840 -> 26:53.240] know, we can talk for hours about Daniel Ricciardo and how sad it is that he's likely never going
[26:53.240 -> 26:59.060] to win a world championship. It's something I cry about regularly. But for me personally,
[26:59.060 -> 27:01.880] that would be a priority of mine. Chris, what would yours be?
[27:01.880 -> 27:10.000] I would send everyone on a team building day where they have to get from one side of the room to the other without touching the floor,
[27:10.000 -> 27:13.920] that kind of thing. The floor is lava, that's your solution to all of these issues.
[27:15.280 -> 27:20.080] I feel like that's fair. I think floor is lava would be an interesting team building exercise
[27:20.080 -> 27:25.120] in a team in which you cannot physically tread on the car, which actually
[27:25.120 -> 27:29.840] brings us into another question about the strength of the cars, because of course, these
[27:29.840 -> 27:36.400] cars do seem to crumple a little bit under various conditions in crashes and stuff. And
[27:36.400 -> 27:41.640] whilst I'm sure the Mini Coopers on the roads do have crumple zones, I'm not sure an F1
[27:41.640 -> 27:45.200] car is quite meant to disintegrate. So I will just have to find the
[27:45.200 -> 27:51.040] question. But basically, in essence, the Formula One cars, they're made out of carbon fibre.
[27:51.760 -> 27:56.000] They're pretty strong and I'm so sorry, I cannot find who the question was from. But in essence,
[27:56.000 -> 28:01.520] we were asked, are the Formula One cars actually not very strong? And are they quite brittle? Or
[28:01.520 -> 28:09.280] are they stronger than they look, but they just happen to break in the wrong ways? Chris? No, so they break because when you smash them into each other
[28:09.280 -> 28:14.640] and they shatter like they're designed to do, they are incredibly strong. If you haven't seen
[28:14.640 -> 28:19.760] the video of Lewis Hamilton standing on his front wing, then you should just give that a quick
[28:20.480 -> 28:26.560] Google because one Lewis Hamilton is a fraction of what that
[28:26.560 -> 28:35.040] front wing can withstand when you consider that they're pulling 5G in corners, which
[28:35.040 -> 28:40.400] is, which means the car is five times heavier than it is when it's stationary going through
[28:40.400 -> 28:41.400] that corner.
[28:41.400 -> 28:45.000] So they can withstand tons and tons of pressure on them
[28:45.000 -> 28:47.320] before they shatter.
[28:47.320 -> 28:51.520] Obviously, in a crash, you put more than the energy
[28:51.520 -> 28:53.160] it's designed to withstand for.
[28:53.160 -> 28:58.320] But the reason you see cars shatter and bits go everywhere,
[28:58.320 -> 29:01.040] in particularly big crashes, is they're
[29:01.040 -> 29:04.400] designed to do that to dissipate the energy.
[29:04.400 -> 29:05.840] If things don't fall
[29:05.840 -> 29:10.240] apart then suddenly the driver is the one absorbing all that energy and it's not very good. So
[29:10.240 -> 29:13.600] it shatters and breaks into a million pieces to dissipate that energy.
[29:14.240 -> 29:18.160] Yes, I've just found it. It's from Jackson Connell. Jackson, thank you for your question. So
[29:18.160 -> 29:22.320] to summarise, Chris, I think the floor is lava would work with a Formula One car because in
[29:22.320 -> 29:25.120] summary, yes, we cannot exert in ourselves
[29:25.120 -> 29:28.840] five lateral Gs, which of course, Formula One cars, that's what they're normally exposed
[29:28.840 -> 29:33.480] to rather than vertical. I think the floor is lava would work. So if any Sheen principals
[29:33.480 -> 29:38.520] are listening and are looking for ways to, you know, bond their team together, try the
[29:38.520 -> 29:42.680] floor is lava on an F1 car. It's a pretty big car. It would work quite well. Matt?
[29:42.680 -> 29:48.400] Yeah, well, just to get in with some numbers on that, the front wing has a flexibility test,
[29:48.400 -> 29:54.320] a static flexibility test that is applied, and it's roughly symmetrical on either side of the
[29:54.320 -> 30:02.160] main plane, which is the big fixed bit of 1000 newtons, which is about 102 kilograms, give or
[30:02.160 -> 30:10.400] take. And it has to be able to withstand that. So you could stand on one. Now the flaps, and we did see that the flaps will absolutely compress
[30:11.200 -> 30:18.400] at high speeds, the flaps are only required at the trailing edge to resist 60 newtons and the
[30:18.400 -> 30:23.840] downward flexibility, by the way, the deflection I think they call it, has been changed to 15
[30:23.840 -> 30:26.160] millimeters for this season. So basically,
[30:26.160 -> 30:30.640] you have 100 kilograms either side of the main plane, you push down on it, it can't deflect
[30:30.640 -> 30:38.240] more than 15 millimeters. That's the actual standard for front wings. I think what Jackson
[30:38.240 -> 30:49.520] was talking about was we saw a lot of detached front wing in plates from from collisions. And I think that, as you
[30:49.520 -> 30:56.440] said, there's a peak force there, that will remove an end plate. And the reason it became
[30:56.440 -> 31:01.000] such a deal was mainly because has a design there is to not fall all the way off, so it
[31:01.000 -> 31:11.360] would flap in the breeze. But then we kept on getting this black and orange flag that only appeared to be for the Haas team and not for any other team. So that caused a bit
[31:11.360 -> 31:18.640] of controversy. But on the whole, pretty much all of a Formula One car is a lot stronger than you
[31:18.640 -> 31:23.280] imagine because as Chris rightly points out, the atmosphere is a heavy thing and that's even before
[31:23.280 -> 31:25.200] you start going 320, 330
[31:25.200 -> 31:30.560] kilometers an hour. Yeah, well of course these end plates are relatively essential for the car,
[31:30.560 -> 31:34.640] you know, they can drive without them but they're very important in the aerodynamics in directing,
[31:34.640 -> 31:39.360] as we've seen in the 2022 season, the flow of the air towards the rear wing and making sure
[31:39.360 -> 31:45.360] that it's going in the perfect way to minimize the risk of dirty air and cars following each other.
[31:45.360 -> 31:47.400] And that's something we really saw in 2022.
[31:47.760 -> 31:50.680] So Stuart has actually asked us, my question for tonight's show
[31:50.680 -> 31:54.000] is whilst the design of the F1 car was brought in for 2022,
[31:54.320 -> 31:56.520] apparently this year there are further tweaks to these
[31:56.560 -> 31:58.160] aerodynamic regulations.
[31:58.520 -> 32:01.800] So what would these be and how are these going to affect the
[32:01.800 -> 32:03.120] teams in the cars, Matt?
[32:03.760 -> 32:06.480] Well, there's a couple of fairly big ones.
[32:07.040 -> 32:13.720] They've raised the minimum height for the throat of the diffuser and they've raised the floor
[32:13.720 -> 32:19.760] edges. Now, this, in my opinion, is a very big giveaway to Mercedes, which was suffering
[32:19.760 -> 32:23.240] quite badly with porpoising in the middle of the last season.
[32:23.760 -> 32:31.200] And before you go saying, oh, FII stands for, you know, help Mercedes department. This is a pretty common thing.
[32:31.200 -> 32:38.480] We saw Mercedes get a number of toys taken away from them under the previous regulation set by
[32:38.480 -> 32:45.440] the FIA. It's a pretty common thing for them to, just sort of, without actually calling it that, sort of help
[32:45.440 -> 32:50.320] balance performance amongst the teams. How it will affect them is, I think the
[32:50.320 -> 32:54.960] cars will mainly be slower and there will mostly be less porpoising as a
[32:54.960 -> 32:59.560] result. Now I expect the teams to claw back most of that time over the course
[32:59.560 -> 33:04.000] of a season, if not gain even more, because that seems to be what always
[33:04.000 -> 33:05.120] happens.
[33:05.120 -> 33:11.040] It's also worth pointing out that we did have that change in the Planck regulation, the
[33:11.040 -> 33:18.760] technical directive that came on mid-22 that seemed to pretty savagely affect Ferrari.
[33:18.760 -> 33:22.560] I'm imagining they have recovered mostly from that.
[33:22.560 -> 33:25.680] But that we saw a trick Mercedes front wing band as
[33:25.680 -> 33:33.520] well and we saw that trick Aston rear wing band, all of them mainly looking to create
[33:33.520 -> 33:39.580] more outwash than the initial regulations were intended to allow for.
[33:39.580 -> 33:45.680] And that's going to restrain how the teams are going to develop their aerodynamic concepts because
[33:45.680 -> 33:51.920] they're going to be looking very much at the floor and the flow of air to the rear of the car
[33:51.920 -> 33:56.320] to find that time. I'm very glad that we've already touched on the conspiracy theories
[33:56.320 -> 34:01.840] about Mercedes. Lovely. I mean, wasn't there a period in history where the FIA was allegedly
[34:01.840 -> 34:05.280] meant to stand for Ferrari International Assistance or something.
[34:05.280 -> 34:06.320] Yes, absolutely.
[34:06.320 -> 34:11.200] It seems to happen all the time. Historically, of course, with a team as successful as Ferrari,
[34:11.200 -> 34:16.640] there's been a lot of drama. We've got another question here from Justin, and he's a newbie
[34:16.640 -> 34:22.240] to F1. He's written in and he said, first off, just wanted to mention how much I enjoy the podcast.
[34:22.240 -> 34:29.600] Thank you, Justin. Getting the email from Patreon that a new podcast is up really brightens my day. As one of those stereotypical American
[34:29.600 -> 34:36.160] fans that came to F1 via DTS, my historical knowledge is severely lacking. So he's asking,
[34:36.160 -> 34:42.200] are there any periods that he should particularly focus on in watching? Should he avoid any?
[34:42.200 -> 34:46.560] I mean, what does everyone think is like the most iconic, absolute must-see
[34:46.560 -> 34:50.160] elements of F1 in the last 70 odd years? Van Gene?
[34:51.360 -> 34:55.680] Um, for me, and Chris is going to get really annoyed that you've come to me on for me first
[34:55.680 -> 35:08.800] on this. There are lots of the late noughties and early teens, or early early tens. 07, 08 were awesome. 2012 is probably one of the best seasons
[35:08.800 -> 35:12.800] F1's ever had because you had seven winners in the first seven, seven
[35:12.800 -> 35:20.960] different winners in the first seven races. And also if you go back to 2005
[35:20.960 -> 35:26.480] when you got to see the uncrowning un-crowning? Is that a word?
[35:26.480 -> 35:28.480] De-throning perhaps?
[35:28.480 -> 35:30.480] De-throning! That's the word I'm looking for!
[35:30.480 -> 35:36.480] The de-throning of Michael Schumacher by Fernando Alonso, back when I thought he was really nice.
[35:36.480 -> 35:45.760] So yeah, there's a whole bunch of stuff there. In the not-so-distant past, I don't think too much of the old stuff was too great unless you want a couple
[35:45.760 -> 35:51.920] of spectacular bits. But as far as full on title fights, I think if you just stick to the noughties
[35:51.920 -> 35:56.640] and the tens, as far back as you want to go, you've got plenty to go on. Goodness, so you
[35:56.640 -> 36:02.000] you actually think the old bits aren't as good. Oh, gosh, I bet that's gonna have some of our
[36:02.000 -> 36:05.760] listeners absolutely reeling. Chris, please, please
[36:05.760 -> 36:07.680] tell Van Gene that that is so incorrect.
[36:07.680 -> 36:13.120] No, no, he's absolutely right. Everyone has this idea that F1 in the 90s was amazing and
[36:13.120 -> 36:15.400] it just was not.
[36:15.400 -> 36:27.000] Guys, I'm trying to advocate for the older generations here and I'm being to narrow down Gene Z's era, specifically.
[36:27.000 -> 36:36.480] 2007 to 2012 was a halcyon period for Formula One, was just unbelievable, cracking seasons.
[36:36.480 -> 36:41.360] Sometimes the championship fight was over a little bit early, 2011 being a good example
[36:41.360 -> 36:45.920] when Sebastian Vettel was pretty dominant, but the races themselves were incredible
[36:45.920 -> 36:50.520] especially because that was the period when we started out with Pirelli tires and DRS and KERS.
[36:50.680 -> 36:55.140] It was all these new things that made the racing so, so exciting.
[36:55.600 -> 36:59.120] And I love as well that we get so many
[37:00.000 -> 37:13.100] new fans, American fans or DTS fans, wherever they're from and They come to learn more about the sport here. I love that they do that. So yeah cheers for doing that and I will
[37:14.040 -> 37:20.840] Direct you away from the comments that are in the live chat room with some crafty ones saying you should watch the 2005
[37:21.160 -> 37:22.680] USGP don't fall for it
[37:22.680 -> 37:25.280] It's a trap and I'll tell you what, you can pretty
[37:25.280 -> 37:30.080] much skip the initial part of the hybrid era as well, 14 through 16, with the exception
[37:30.080 -> 37:34.240] of Bahrain 2014, because it was pretty much a dud.
[37:34.240 -> 37:41.320] Goodness, strong words. Trumpets, come on. What have you got to say about this?
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[39:50.900 -> 39:53.700] So first of all, if you want to watch a race from the 90s, I'd recommend the European Grand Prix of 99.
[39:53.700 -> 39:57.700] I have never seen a more bonkers race in my entire life.
[39:57.900 -> 39:58.900] You will enjoy it.
[39:58.900 -> 40:02.500] The commentary is magical and mostly ill-informed and it's
[40:02.500 -> 40:04.200] just fantastic in every way.
[40:04.200 -> 40:05.920] It's not what we get today,
[40:05.920 -> 40:11.840] so don't expect that. Secondly, I'm going to say that any race where Prost and Sinna crash
[40:11.840 -> 40:17.600] into each other is probably worth watching just because, and I'm sure you can just google that.
[40:18.240 -> 40:22.640] I believe there was some excitement about Mansell winning a championship at some point or another,
[40:22.640 -> 40:25.480] that season might be a good watch.
[40:25.480 -> 40:31.680] But I'm really going to disagree with the 2014 and 2015 seasons not being a good watch.
[40:31.680 -> 40:32.680] So if you're...
[40:32.680 -> 40:34.720] Well, I'm going to say that, okay.
[40:34.720 -> 40:37.520] And I'm going to get in with a kind of funny reason.
[40:37.520 -> 40:42.680] Number one, reliability was completely, absolutely, Mansell.
[40:42.680 -> 40:46.360] You could see a car just explode for no reason almost every
[40:46.360 -> 40:50.960] race and it was fantastic. But secondly, the reason I'm really going to recommend
[40:50.960 -> 40:58.480] it, one Hamilton versus Rosberg was a real fight and secondly... No it wasn't. Yes it was.
[40:58.480 -> 41:06.560] I do believe it was one of the best races we've ever had. And second of all, I'm going to tell you why. If you
[41:06.560 -> 41:12.560] watch either the first or the second trip around Barcelona, you had either side of the Mercedes
[41:12.560 -> 41:20.160] garage using all of their knowledge of the other side's energy usage, talking to the drivers at the
[41:20.160 -> 41:26.200] same time, trying to get each other around their competitor.
[41:26.200 -> 41:30.300] And Mercedes has eventually gone and said, no, we're not going to play this game anymore.
[41:30.300 -> 41:31.660] You're not allowed to do that.
[41:31.660 -> 41:37.200] But there were times where the full potential of that car was being exploited by the engineers
[41:37.200 -> 41:41.820] and drivers simultaneously to make one person faster than the other.
[41:41.820 -> 41:46.880] And you only get to see that in that first year or two of those
[41:46.880 -> 41:51.320] regulations. Now, if you're not excited by that, then yeah, give it a rest. Mercedes
[41:51.320 -> 41:56.040] One, you already knew that. But if you're into those sorts of details and you look carefully,
[41:56.040 -> 41:57.880] I think they're worth finding.
[41:57.880 -> 42:02.880] So we got to see that at what, three races across a three-year period?
[42:02.880 -> 42:05.280] Oh, Matt, you've struck a nerve.
[42:06.200 -> 42:06.560] You've struck a nerve. Right.
[42:06.560 -> 42:08.600] We're clearly getting some very strong opinions about this.
[42:08.600 -> 42:09.880] Did you watch the 80s?
[42:09.920 -> 42:10.640] I'm just saying.
[42:10.800 -> 42:12.640] I wasn't around for the 80s, Matt.
[42:12.640 -> 42:13.560] You know I didn't.
[42:13.840 -> 42:14.360] Okay.
[42:14.400 -> 42:14.960] Okay.
[42:15.200 -> 42:20.520] So the general consensus is if you don't want to watch some really close racing
[42:20.520 -> 42:24.560] between two teammates, that's really cool and has you on the edge of your seat,
[42:25.280 -> 42:30.720] then you know what? Don't watch it. Alex? If you do want to go back, if you've ever wondered why
[42:30.720 -> 42:36.560] everyone keeps banging on about Ayrton Senna, the race to watch is the 1993, I think they called it
[42:36.560 -> 42:42.080] the European Grand Prix, but it was at Donington in the rain. If you want to understand why everybody
[42:42.080 -> 42:45.240] raved about Ayrton Senna, just watch that race.
[42:45.240 -> 42:51.400] he went from I think 7th on the grid to 1st in the first lap and destroyed everybody.
[42:51.400 -> 42:54.320] think Lewis Hamilton 2008 Silverstone levels.
[42:54.320 -> 42:57.160] it was an absolutely phenomenal performance.
[42:57.160 -> 43:01.600] and set the lap record going through the pit lane which is not something you see anymore.
[43:01.600 -> 43:02.600] no.
[43:02.600 -> 43:06.520] also, I'm pretty certain one year, I can't remember what year it was, at Manicor he put
[43:06.520 -> 43:11.400] it on pole by crashing it into the wall, coming across the line, because it was actually faster
[43:11.400 -> 43:15.120] to cut across the chicane and go into the wall than actually go across the line and
[43:15.120 -> 43:16.120] he crashed it in qualifying.
[43:16.120 -> 43:17.120] It was on pole.
[43:17.120 -> 43:19.920] ALICE Yeah, I remember, so, going across to Formula
[43:19.920 -> 43:25.120] E, John Eric Verne got a pole one year by spinning out of the final corner.
[43:30.360 -> 43:33.840] Because I think like the, the GPS thing, whatever it was, the timing thing is in the back of the car, so when he spun it around, it actually got it across the
[43:33.840 -> 43:34.560] line quicker.
[43:35.200 -> 43:37.200] Gosh, that's a tactic and a half, isn't it?
[43:37.480 -> 43:38.000] Okay.
[43:38.040 -> 43:41.720] So the overall idea of this is, it depends on what your priorities are.
[43:41.960 -> 43:46.400] If you're a new fan looking to get more into F1, there are so many good races.
[43:46.400 -> 43:50.120] I personally, I'm going to push this because this doesn't get talked about enough.
[43:50.320 -> 43:54.000] The Braun era of the sport, Rubens Barrichello, Jenson Button.
[43:54.480 -> 43:58.200] That had me, I must have been like eight, but I was on the edge of my seat.
[43:58.240 -> 44:00.480] I thought that for me, that was top racing.
[44:00.600 -> 44:02.280] I loved every second of that, Chris.
[44:02.800 -> 44:07.560] Braun was such a magical story and it's why it's such an iconic car.
[44:07.560 -> 44:13.800] I mean, yes, it was a car that was ultimately developed by Honda when they were still in
[44:13.800 -> 44:19.160] the sport, but the fact that they packed up that team and that car wasn't even going to
[44:19.160 -> 44:25.440] race until Ross Braun scooped up the remains of that team and bought it for a single pound, a shilling and six
[44:25.440 -> 44:34.160] pence, and made it go racing and they won the world championship. That is the Leicester City
[44:34.160 -> 44:46.640] winning the FA Cup story of Formula One. And of course, as we all know, that team is now Mercedes. So pretty good investment, I think,
[44:46.640 -> 44:52.400] made by Ross Brawn there. Yeah, I have to say in my heart of hearts, I have such a soft spot. And
[44:52.400 -> 44:57.360] I know I'm sure many of you listeners are listening into this going, oh my gosh, this girl is so old.
[44:57.920 -> 45:03.200] But yes, my eight year old heart was full with Rubens Barrichello and Jenson Button. For me,
[45:03.200 -> 45:05.100] that was an absolutely golden
[45:05.100 -> 45:10.860] era of racing. And I do think actually that was made by the partnership in a way between
[45:10.860 -> 45:15.180] Rubens Barrichello and Jenson Button. They just seemed to have it really well. Again,
[45:15.180 -> 45:17.740] I was eight. What did I know? But Chris?
[45:17.740 -> 45:22.980] No, of course, that was the arrival of Red Bull that year as well. It was what their
[45:22.980 -> 45:26.800] fourth year in the sport and that was the
[45:26.800 -> 45:30.520] year they took their first pole position, their first win. They bid for the championship
[45:30.520 -> 45:36.720] with Sebastian Vettel as well, especially in the second half of the season and really
[45:36.720 -> 45:42.760] laid the groundwork for what would be the halcyon period of Sebastian Vettel and Red
[45:42.760 -> 45:45.440] Bull Racing going on to win four world championships
[45:45.440 -> 45:51.600] together. That's the thing, Vettel just kind of came from this very young, fresh face on the scene
[45:51.600 -> 45:59.120] to almost just dominating out of what seemed like nowhere. There was almost like no gap to be filled
[45:59.120 -> 46:07.360] in the F1 championship waiting room and Red Bull barge in with Sebastian Vettel. And you know, it's
[46:07.360 -> 46:11.200] with hindsight, we can look back and call it the golden years. You know, we can look back very
[46:11.200 -> 46:16.080] fondly on Seb, especially now that he's retired. But of course, at the time he was incredibly
[46:16.080 -> 46:21.040] unpopular and going back to what we were saying earlier about Mercedes allegedly being helped by
[46:21.040 -> 46:26.120] the FIA, Ferrari allegedly being helped by the FIA. It's really
[46:26.120 -> 46:29.560] difficult actually to be objective about this kind of thing, Matt.
[46:29.560 -> 46:35.120] It is, although I will put in a personal plug for Vettel in a Toro Rosso in the rain being
[46:35.120 -> 46:41.880] the best Vettel ever. And the chat threw up an interesting suggestion, which is the season
[46:41.880 -> 46:46.880] so exciting in the 70s, they made a movie about it, Rush, which would be the
[46:46.880 -> 46:52.160] year that James Hunt won the championship. That might be a pretty entertaining,
[46:53.040 -> 46:55.600] watch the season, watch the movie kind of deal.
[46:55.600 -> 47:01.360] Gosh, yes. Listeners, if you haven't listened to this movie, watched this movie, you absolutely
[47:01.360 -> 47:05.600] have to. It's, for starters, you know, fantastic cast, Chris Hemsworth,
[47:05.600 -> 47:11.760] it's a good watch. But aside from that, it really for me summarises the kind of era of
[47:12.320 -> 47:16.320] being a gentleman racer, you know, they had their cigarettes, they had the wreaths around
[47:16.320 -> 47:21.600] their neck when they won. It was such just a fantastic period of the sport and watching
[47:21.600 -> 47:25.120] this film made me wish I could just transport myself back there.
[47:25.120 -> 47:31.520] You know, Lauda, we haven't mentioned him yet today, Niki Lauda, my word, gosh, if you are a
[47:31.520 -> 47:38.400] new fan and you haven't watched Lauda Racing, my goodness, please, that battle between all of these
[47:38.400 -> 47:43.040] drivers back then that we just don't really talk about much anymore, no, Rush, it's a fantastic
[47:43.040 -> 47:45.120] film, absolutely needs watching.
[47:45.120 -> 47:46.120] Chris?
[47:46.120 -> 47:54.880] But I do not envy Ron Howard trying to make the ending of that championship exciting when
[47:54.880 -> 47:59.960] the main protagonist just pulls into the pits and says, I'm not going to race because it's
[47:59.960 -> 48:05.760] too dangerous. I mean, it was a bit of a challenge. I mean, they pull it off, in fairness, because
[48:05.760 -> 48:12.400] they sort of fake some issue for James Hunt, which is, there is a list of things they actually
[48:12.400 -> 48:16.280] did and things that they made up for the movie list somewhere.
[48:16.280 -> 48:20.640] But the thing that's interesting with that movie is, for me, Nicky Loud is actually the
[48:20.640 -> 48:25.400] hero of the movie. Not James Hunt. Because to be fair, from
[48:25.400 -> 48:29.160] everything you see from James Hunt in that movie, okay he's funny and he's an
[48:29.160 -> 48:34.880] old boy and whatever, but he's a bit of a... what can I say that I can actually say on
[48:34.880 -> 48:41.940] this podcast? Not particularly pleasant necessarily. That's the one! And someone has put in the
[48:41.940 -> 48:45.760] thing misogynistic drunks and Nickiki Lauda was a gentleman. Okay,
[48:45.760 -> 48:51.680] he was ruthless and he's still up until the day he died was as ruthless as they come,
[48:51.680 -> 48:57.280] but he was a proper racer and everybody else was in it just for the cigarettes, the money and the
[48:57.280 -> 49:02.320] women. Well, you know, the sport's come a long way. I'm sure there'd be a few people turning
[49:02.320 -> 49:08.720] in their grave if they knew that I was a girl hosting a podcast about F1, but we move. We move. I think looking back at those kind of
[49:08.720 -> 49:14.960] rivalries, I mean, we glorify them so much as if just in the last few years we haven't had such
[49:14.960 -> 49:21.680] fantastic battles anyway. I mean, I know that there is no touchier subject than the battle
[49:21.680 -> 49:32.280] between Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen, but my goodness, what a rivalry. I do feel so upset that we didn't have as tight a battle in the past year or
[49:32.280 -> 49:36.400] so that we've had leading up to this year. I mean, looking into the future, into the
[49:36.400 -> 49:43.480] next few years, who do we think is going to have those really tight, win at any cost battles?
[49:43.480 -> 49:45.560] I mean, I'd like to see Ferrari into the mix,
[49:45.560 -> 49:47.600] a young Charles Leclerc maybe Trumpets.
[49:47.600 -> 49:56.640] Okay, so if we're going to play this game, the game is Ferrari better win this season,
[49:56.640 -> 50:02.280] because I think the brains of their operation wandered out the door with Mattia Bonato.
[50:02.280 -> 50:06.080] Now, not that there are not plenty of talented people there.
[50:06.080 -> 50:11.200] So are you not interested that he's left now? Are you not happy about that? Or do you think
[50:11.200 -> 50:12.320] that's a mistake for Ferrari?
[50:12.320 -> 50:15.600] I think that's a massive mistake for Ferrari.
[50:15.600 -> 50:17.520] Explain, explain!
[50:17.520 -> 50:29.480] Well, first of all, as we can see, the teams that have been most successful have had very little turnover at the top of the team operational hierarchy.
[50:29.480 -> 50:34.040] Mercedes, yeah, we sort of went through Braun at the end of his career.
[50:34.040 -> 50:36.440] And we got Wolf, but Wolf has been there.
[50:36.440 -> 50:45.520] He's been a steady hand, even as people underneath him have rotated. Bonato brought in a different kind of engineering culture to Ferrari along
[50:45.520 -> 50:52.380] with not only an amazing knowledge of their power unit, but also technical
[50:52.380 -> 50:57.760] knowledge that let him be the final say, I suspect, in many things that went
[50:57.760 -> 51:02.440] on there. So the car that we're going to see under Vasseur is going to be
[51:02.440 -> 51:06.720] Bonato's car. If Ferrari succeed this year, about 80% of that is
[51:06.720 -> 51:13.840] really down to Bonato. Okay, but if Ferrari do well then, do you reckon then that, you know,
[51:13.840 -> 51:19.040] we could have, you know, for example, if they come out, they're doing really well, top of the tables,
[51:19.040 -> 51:25.040] that would be really cool, awesome. Do you think we could have Charles Leclerc, Carlos Sainz absolutely battling it out?
[51:25.760 -> 51:32.480] Um, no, I don't think Ferrari will really permit that. But also, it's just the nature of the
[51:32.480 -> 51:39.440] racing. It'll be pretty clear that the person with the best chance will make it apparent that they're
[51:39.440 -> 51:45.680] the ones with the best chance early on. Maybe Leclerc has some bad reliability hits early on and signs once a couple
[51:45.680 -> 51:52.080] of races and it's they have to throw everything behind one driver to have a hope against Verstappen.
[51:52.080 -> 51:57.760] The interesting thing is we don't really know what role Mercedes is going to play quite yet.
[51:57.760 -> 52:07.520] We can guess. I think they'll win more races than they did last season. I don't know if they'll be able to catch up because they
[52:07.520 -> 52:11.200] lost so much time to solving the problems that they had.
[52:11.200 -> 52:11.760] Definitely.
[52:12.320 -> 52:16.640] For a season, but then Red Bull has that penalty. So if Ferrari is going to do it,
[52:16.640 -> 52:18.160] I think it has to be this season.
[52:18.800 -> 52:23.680] Okay, right. Well, on that note, then we'll move this on to another question we've got from
[52:23.680 -> 52:25.160] Ryan St. John, who
[52:25.160 -> 52:29.560] has said, looking at the new driver pairings, who wins the head-to-head battle between each
[52:29.560 -> 52:32.680] team and who's going to take the most points by the season end? Because of course, we've
[52:32.680 -> 52:36.920] got lots of new pairings, a lot of shuffling around in the field this year. We've got Ocon
[52:36.920 -> 52:44.280] and Gasly, De Vries and Noda, Magnussen versus, you know, Hulkenberg, who has just been taking
[52:44.280 -> 52:46.400] come back and he's new, but he's not
[52:46.400 -> 52:52.460] really new. So let's actually unpick out of the new pairings. I mean, I'm really interested
[52:52.460 -> 52:56.420] actually to see how Hulkenberg gets on. He's proven himself to be a great racer, but this
[52:56.420 -> 53:03.820] is now what his fourth kind of chance in Formula One. He's been given a lot of chances. He's
[53:03.820 -> 53:06.880] been brought in over new drivers. So for example, once from Formula Two. So's been given a lot of chances. He's been brought in over new drivers, so for
[53:06.880 -> 53:12.560] example ones from Formula Two, so there's been a lot of faith put in Hulkenberg. So do we think
[53:12.560 -> 53:19.120] that he's going to give Magnussen a run for his money, Alex? I think the reason Hulk's been brought
[53:19.120 -> 53:24.560] in is because he's a safe pair of hands. I think us are fed up of the car being smashed into a wall
[53:24.560 -> 53:28.740] every practice session, every race and trying to save on some parts, so he will be a safe pair of hands. I think pass are fed up of the car being smashed into a wall every practice session and every race and trying to save on some parts. So he will be a safe
[53:28.740 -> 53:34.980] pair of hands. I do think K-Mag will have the better of him. If K-Mag can stop running
[53:34.980 -> 53:42.440] into people in races. I think outright speed K-Mag will have Hulk any day of the week.
[53:42.440 -> 53:51.120] As long as K-Mag can stay out of trouble trouble I think you'll have Hulk. I think I think DeVries and Alborn isn't it?
[53:51.120 -> 53:54.440] DeVries and Alborn is going to be a very very interesting pairing.
[53:54.440 -> 53:59.520] DeVries and Sonoda. DeVries and Sonoda sorry. Alborn's a Williams isn't he?
[53:59.520 -> 54:05.120] Yeah DeVries and Sonoda. I actually think defreeze will get the better of sonoda
[54:05.120 -> 54:13.040] i still think sonoda is too petulant and and he's not consistent enough i mean sonoda's been in the
[54:13.040 -> 54:18.480] sport a long time though you know he's third season this year he's not a rookie anymore he's
[54:18.480 -> 54:23.520] not a rookie anymore i think defreeze showed it not yeah defreeze showed at monza that he can just
[54:23.520 -> 54:26.240] sit there lap be consistent even in what
[54:26.240 -> 54:31.600] was a difficult car a car that he didn't know and he can just put the laps in and not have any
[54:31.600 -> 54:36.480] problems and i think that'll be absolutely key to him getting on top of senna i think that's why it
[54:36.480 -> 54:42.720] was so impressive when he did what he did because he just came in sat himself down in that f1 car
[54:42.720 -> 54:45.880] took it for some laps and he did a brilliant job of not
[54:45.880 -> 54:52.720] A, sending it into a wall, B, being overtaken by everybody and C, he's pretty likeable.
[54:52.720 -> 54:56.040] You know, it's really great to see him in the sports. I mean, he's for a rookie, he's
[54:56.040 -> 54:58.840] quite old, he's late 20s I believe.
[54:58.840 -> 55:03.960] And for the benefit of the sport, he put the final nail in Latifi's coffin.
[55:03.960 -> 55:08.560] And yes, and amongst fans that seems to have some very mixed reactions I mean I know on
[55:09.920 -> 55:15.360] my social medias at least I've had people crying at the loss of Gotifi you know he meant a lot to
[55:15.360 -> 55:19.600] the sport I've got his birthday marked in my calendar I can't wait to wish him a happy birthday.
[55:19.600 -> 55:24.960] It's only for meme power no one really genuinely wants him in the sport.
[55:24.960 -> 55:30.000] No John I agree with this and the people who say go Tifi, they are just mocking him
[55:30.000 -> 55:33.040] and I don't like that. I was actually a fan.
[55:33.040 -> 55:37.200] It feels a bit unkind, doesn't it? Yeah. Oh, you're actually a fan, so that's why you don't
[55:37.200 -> 55:39.040] like it. Right, go on, explain yourself.
[55:40.160 -> 55:43.680] I worked with him in Formula 2 for a little bit and he's just like the nicest guy in the world.
[55:44.720 -> 55:48.160] Is he a good racer, Chris? Aside from his personality?
[55:48.160 -> 55:54.640] He was in Formula 2 and I think had things gone a slightly different way then things could have
[55:54.640 -> 55:57.920] worked out a little bit better. He was never going to set the world of Formula 1 alight
[55:58.800 -> 56:03.760] but I feel like he did the best he could and I respect him for that.
[56:03.760 -> 56:07.960] No, to be honest I do agree. He does get so much stick and I'm aware that's probably
[56:07.960 -> 56:13.720] due to some of the controversies that a couple of his crashes potentially caused. I'm swiftly
[56:13.720 -> 56:19.460] moving on, swiftly moving on. I do think, I hate to be really harsh on a driver, I hate
[56:19.460 -> 56:24.880] to say, you know, oh Latifi was not good because I have absolutely no doubt that he gave it
[56:24.880 -> 56:25.760] his absolute
[56:25.760 -> 56:29.800] best shot. I mean, we're all very kind to Ricardo who, bless him, did not have a very
[56:29.800 -> 56:35.320] good last couple of seasons. But yes, back to the teammates. I do think we've got some
[56:35.320 -> 56:39.320] exciting things coming up. I do think that going into next season, like you said with
[56:39.320 -> 56:43.340] Devry, I think that's going to be so exciting, but we need people on the grid who are going
[56:43.340 -> 56:45.120] to be consistent at a
[56:45.120 -> 56:50.720] bare minimum. It's like we were saying about K-Mag, he's a fantastic driver because he came
[56:50.720 -> 56:55.760] into Haas after, like you said, Van Gene, we've had quite a lot of crashes going on at Haas.
[56:55.760 -> 57:01.360] They've had an expensive couple of years with having rookies on the squad and then now they're
[57:01.360 -> 57:08.080] bringing in the old faithfuls who are going to keep the car on the track. But do we not agree? You know, we're measuring drivers by how reliable they are.
[57:08.080 -> 57:13.120] Could we perhaps say that it is a bare minimum that they finish races, that they perform with
[57:13.120 -> 57:19.920] the car as the car probably should perform, Matt? Well, I really want to seize on a word you keep
[57:19.920 -> 57:27.640] using, which is consistent. Okay. So if we're going to run them down real quick, we got Sergeant Alban.
[57:27.680 -> 57:28.840] I think Alban wins.
[57:29.120 -> 57:30.160] Sergeant's a rookie.
[57:30.160 -> 57:33.320] I think Sergeant does better than Latifi and that helps Williams.
[57:33.320 -> 57:36.160] They might square a few extra points, but not a lot more.
[57:36.160 -> 57:36.880] I think they're bottom.
[57:36.880 -> 57:39.120] So a step up, but nothing revolutionary.
[57:39.440 -> 57:39.880] Yeah, no.
[57:39.880 -> 57:45.740] I would be surprised, barring crashes or reliability, Sargent outpointing Alban, because he's already
[57:45.740 -> 57:47.860] been at the team and he's got experience.
[57:47.860 -> 57:53.660] DeVries-Senota is the most interesting contest, in my opinion.
[57:53.660 -> 57:55.660] DeVries is kind of unknown.
[57:55.660 -> 58:01.260] He stepped in to Williams, but Williams at Monza, which has like two and a half turns
[58:01.260 -> 58:03.860] in it, and did well.
[58:03.860 -> 58:06.680] It's not a Hungary, if you know what I mean.
[58:06.680 -> 58:10.860] But the thing that makes DeVries, to me,
[58:10.860 -> 58:12.440] I think Sunoda is faster.
[58:12.440 -> 58:15.080] I think Sunoda is faster than Gasly.
[58:15.080 -> 58:18.680] But there's the word consistent.
[58:18.680 -> 58:20.000] The thing about consistency,
[58:20.000 -> 58:23.120] and I listened to a lecture recently from Willem,
[58:23.120 -> 58:29.840] and he told a story about Schumacher and Irvine at Ferrari, where there was an aerodynamic issue that they fixed.
[58:30.480 -> 58:35.360] They fixed it, and Schumacher said, okay, the car is easier to drive, but it's no faster.
[58:35.920 -> 58:40.320] Irvine was half a second faster, because Schumacher was more consistent in the braking
[58:40.320 -> 58:45.080] zone and could manage the instability that was being created by the aerodynamic
[58:45.080 -> 58:51.220] problem. For me, I think De Vries is probably a more consistent driver and therefore is
[58:51.220 -> 58:57.740] sitting on better results. But Tsunoda, just out of the gate, I think is faster. So it's
[58:57.740 -> 59:02.140] going to be interesting to see if he can add consistency on top of what he's already got.
[59:02.140 -> 59:05.520] If he can, if he does, then I do think that he will beat DeVries.
[59:06.140 -> 59:07.060] I completely agree.
[59:07.060 -> 59:11.800] When Tsunoda first came into the sport, everyone was so excited because it was
[59:11.800 -> 59:16.400] this new driver coming in who had a reputation for just being blimming quick.
[59:16.820 -> 59:21.340] You know, and then there was a little bit of kind of stalling perhaps with his
[59:21.340 -> 59:23.180] consistency, with his race results.
[59:23.400 -> 59:26.800] And I do agree, actually, if he can time after time,
[59:26.800 -> 59:29.860] race after race, prove himself to be the racer
[59:29.860 -> 59:32.600] that we know he can be,
[59:32.600 -> 59:35.040] I think he'd be an absolute force to be reckoned with.
[59:35.040 -> 59:37.280] I think he'd be absolutely incredible.
[59:37.280 -> 59:41.520] However, measuring up next to Nick DeVries,
[59:41.520 -> 59:44.200] and of course, the best way to judge a driver's ability
[59:44.200 -> 59:45.680] is by comparing them
[59:45.680 -> 59:49.720] to their teammate because performance wise they're in the same car it's the easiest scope
[59:49.720 -> 59:56.320] of comparison. I think we're really in for so much excitement Chris. So amazingly I've
[59:56.320 -> 01:00:10.880] agreed with everything that everyone has said so far on this question. So I'm gonna pick a fight with trumpets. Oh no, not the devil's advocate! Because you know where this is going.
[01:00:10.880 -> 01:00:16.880] I am backing my boy Pete Gasly in the Ockhorn battle.
[01:00:16.880 -> 01:00:20.040] Go on Chris, go on. Rip him to shreds with your point.
[01:00:20.040 -> 01:00:22.120] Oh I just think he's a better driver, that's it.
[01:00:22.120 -> 01:00:24.400] Oh is that it? That is pure and simple.
[01:00:24.400 -> 01:00:25.520] Not quite ripped to shreds. I think he's faster than Ockhorn, just think he's a better driver. That's it. Oh, is that it? That is pure and simple. Not quite ripped to shreds.
[01:00:25.520 -> 01:00:27.800] I think he's faster than Ocon.
[01:00:27.800 -> 01:00:30.120] I think he's a better driver than Ocon.
[01:00:30.760 -> 01:00:35.640] I will actually, before you come back with what I'm sure will be a very intense
[01:00:35.640 -> 01:00:38.680] comeback that will leave Chris never wanting to show his face in public again.
[01:00:39.280 -> 01:00:40.920] I also quite like Pierre Gasly.
[01:00:41.080 -> 01:00:42.960] I also think he's pretty good.
[01:00:43.280 -> 01:00:46.720] Before last season, 2021, consistent eighth place
[01:00:46.720 -> 01:00:52.320] or better in races, consistent fifth in qualy. He really was doing so well. And then these new
[01:00:52.320 -> 01:00:57.120] aerodynamic regulations came in, it all became a little bit of a headache for him. And he did
[01:00:57.120 -> 01:01:03.280] slightly, in my opinion, underperform for how good of a driver he is last season. But yeah,
[01:01:03.280 -> 01:01:06.680] so I'm sorry, Trumpets, before you say anything, I'm just gonna say I am
[01:01:06.680 -> 01:01:08.480] already with Chris on this one.
[01:01:09.640 -> 01:01:10.760] That's fine with me.
[01:01:10.840 -> 01:01:12.440] You're both entitled to be wrong.
[01:01:12.720 -> 01:01:13.840] Oh, goodness.
[01:01:14.600 -> 01:01:16.080] No, well, it's pretty simple.
[01:01:16.160 -> 01:01:17.000] I'm going to be honest.
[01:01:17.400 -> 01:01:20.320] Reason number one is that Ocon has been at the team two years.
[01:01:20.320 -> 01:01:22.040] Gasly's at a fresh new team.
[01:01:22.240 -> 01:01:23.760] And that's a huge advantage for Ocon.
[01:01:24.200 -> 01:01:25.520] Second of all, say what
[01:01:25.520 -> 01:01:32.400] you will, if you look at his record against Alonzo, aside from I think Lewis Hamilton, no one has done
[01:01:32.400 -> 01:01:38.320] better against Alonzo than Ocon. I think it speaks to some qualities that were, you know, not going
[01:01:38.320 -> 01:01:49.480] to be apparent given Alonzo's ability to run PR and the fact that he was clearly the focus of the team. He was brought in to lead that team and so that's that's where the team went. But
[01:01:49.480 -> 01:01:53.920] last of all I'm going to point out three particular things that I've not seen
[01:01:53.920 -> 01:01:59.680] Ghazalie do. One goes all the way back to Force India when in the wet at Spa,
[01:01:59.680 -> 01:02:05.680] Okon qualified third on the grid in a Force India, in the wet.
[01:02:07.440 -> 01:02:10.800] That made me think he was the real deal.
[01:02:10.800 -> 01:02:12.720] But Rain is the great equalizer.
[01:02:13.280 -> 01:02:15.760] You know, you've kind of juxtaposed yourself a bit there.
[01:02:15.760 -> 01:02:22.560] He was against Perez and Perez was four or five steps down that particular in qualifying.
[01:02:24.000 -> 01:02:28.440] He qualified third in the third fastest car that particular weekend, beating the driver
[01:02:28.440 -> 01:02:31.160] who qualifies 6 tenths off of Max Verstappen.
[01:02:31.160 -> 01:02:32.160] Interesting.
[01:02:32.160 -> 01:02:33.160] Okay.
[01:02:33.160 -> 01:02:40.960] In 2015, in a Force India and Spa, we're not talking about this past season.
[01:02:40.960 -> 01:02:43.720] We're talking about 2015 in a Force India.
[01:02:43.720 -> 01:02:45.760] Of course, very applicable to 2023.
[01:02:45.760 -> 01:02:49.760] Second of all, I'm going to point out, and I think this is really Oakland's strength here,
[01:02:49.760 -> 01:02:55.760] I'm going to point out the win in Hungary, where he was against Vettel in a car that was pretty
[01:02:55.760 -> 01:03:02.800] equal to his. He basically started on pole position once Lewis Hamilton came in, and he never,
[01:03:02.800 -> 01:03:07.120] ever once lost the lead to Vettel, a four-time world champion.
[01:03:07.120 -> 01:03:12.080] And last, I'm simply going to point out again, it's Suzuka, in a car that was clearly slower
[01:03:12.080 -> 01:03:19.200] than Lewis Hamilton's Mercedes. Once again, he had no problem keeping Lewis behind him.
[01:03:19.200 -> 01:03:26.040] I think people underestimate Ocon because of his personality, and mainly, I think he gets a lot of bad PR
[01:03:26.040 -> 01:03:31.900] because on orders, he passed Max Verstappen, unlapped himself, and wound up in a crash
[01:03:31.900 -> 01:03:37.440] with him, and then baited Verstappen into shoving him and getting a further penalty.
[01:03:37.440 -> 01:03:38.440] Ocon is smart.
[01:03:38.440 -> 01:03:43.400] He has obviously no fear whatsoever when he's leading the race.
[01:03:43.400 -> 01:03:46.720] And so, yeah, I think it's a tall hill for Gasly this
[01:03:46.720 -> 01:03:50.560] season. Next season will be more interesting, because then I think we'll see the true measure
[01:03:50.560 -> 01:03:55.120] of both drivers. So yeah, he crashed, he crashed into a race leader and that makes him a great
[01:03:55.120 -> 01:04:00.000] driver. Now let me... Race leader crashed into him. I'm just going to be very clear about that.
[01:04:00.000 -> 01:04:06.160] Chris is about to finish you, sit and take it. Let me address the points you have made, Mr. Trumpets.
[01:04:06.160 -> 01:04:08.640] Yeah, because Trumpets came with Brzezinsk.
[01:04:08.640 -> 01:04:14.800] That win in Hungary, as impressive as it was, you cannot overtake in Hungary.
[01:04:14.800 -> 01:04:15.360] Oh, really?
[01:04:15.360 -> 01:04:20.080] And Sebastian Vettel was not going to be making that pass in a million years.
[01:04:20.080 -> 01:04:23.280] So that's why there were no overtakes at Hungary that year?
[01:04:23.280 -> 01:04:23.760] No.
[01:04:23.760 -> 01:04:29.920] I mean, apart from the cars that were like three seconds a lap quicker past the midfielders,
[01:04:29.920 -> 01:04:31.920] then yeah, sure, but Hamilton couldn't even get past them.
[01:04:31.920 -> 01:04:36.560] But you know, it's when we have debates, you have to listen to the other points.
[01:04:36.560 -> 01:04:39.280] Let's allow Chris to finish you before you have your comeback.
[01:04:39.280 -> 01:04:47.520] Compared to Gasly's win at Monza, for example, where he had to fend off Carlos Sainz, that was a much
[01:04:47.520 -> 01:04:53.600] closer, fairer fight in my opinion, and one that was more likely to turn on its head.
[01:04:53.600 -> 01:04:56.160] What was the other rubbish point you made, Matt? I forget the third one.
[01:04:56.720 -> 01:05:00.480] Okay, right, this is getting confrontational. I'm going to ask Van Jijn to step in. Right,
[01:05:00.480 -> 01:05:04.240] Van Jijn, can you offer us on Esteban Ocon a balanced,
[01:05:04.240 -> 01:05:05.400] rounded perspective
[01:05:05.400 -> 01:05:08.640] that doesn't involve slandering each other?
[01:05:08.640 -> 01:05:13.360] So on this matter, I am going to agree with Matthew.
[01:05:13.360 -> 01:05:17.280] Oh my goodness, there's a divide in the panel!
[01:05:17.280 -> 01:05:23.160] I very much believe that over the course of the season, Ocon will have the better of Gasly.
[01:05:23.160 -> 01:05:28.640] Gasly lucked into his win at Monza a lot more so
[01:05:28.640 -> 01:05:34.640] than what happened. What happens? What happens? I was cheering and I was really happy. I mean,
[01:05:34.640 -> 01:05:41.280] I wanted Carlos Sainz to win that race. But before the whole chaos with Lewis Hamilton's pit stop,
[01:05:41.280 -> 01:05:45.760] and the safety car, Gasly was nowhere near winning that race.
[01:05:45.760 -> 01:05:49.360] Ocon, because of the Mercedes screw up with Hamilton,
[01:05:49.360 -> 01:05:53.400] was in for the win from lap one and dominated
[01:05:53.400 -> 01:05:57.280] and held off Sebastian Vettel, a four-time world champion,
[01:05:57.280 -> 01:06:01.040] in a just about faster car, because it had less fuel in it,
[01:06:01.040 -> 01:06:02.960] for the entirety of the race.
[01:06:02.960 -> 01:06:05.760] I think Ocon, again, is a more consistent driver than Pierre
[01:06:05.760 -> 01:06:12.720] Gasly. I do believe that it will come to stretching out those points and there is also big history
[01:06:12.720 -> 01:06:19.840] between those two. And I think Ocon is probably in a better PR position within the team for
[01:06:19.840 -> 01:06:25.220] it. It's going to be close. I have no doubt it's going to be close, but I do side with Matt
[01:06:25.220 -> 01:06:29.740] on this one and I do believe that Arkon will have the better performance this season.
[01:06:29.740 -> 01:06:34.060] Okay, right. That rounds off that very nicely. So I'm going to park that there before we're
[01:06:34.060 -> 01:06:39.900] reaching through the microphones to stab each other, because there was some arguments there.
[01:06:39.900 -> 01:06:45.920] Anyway, on that note, it seems we're all very interested actually to see where these new partnerships
[01:06:45.920 -> 01:06:52.320] go, where these new teammates are heading with their season. So in that spirit, David
[01:06:52.320 -> 01:06:59.240] has written in and asked, what is each presenter looking forward to most about the 2023 season?
[01:06:59.240 -> 01:07:03.720] Let's just go with that. We'll go around the panel. Chris, what moment or what aspect of
[01:07:03.720 -> 01:07:05.680] F1 are you most excited to
[01:07:05.680 -> 01:07:12.960] dulge into? The chequered flag in Abu Dhabi. Goodness. Explain yourself. Oh God, because it
[01:07:12.960 -> 01:07:21.440] means 23 rounds will finally be over. No, in all seriousness, I'm looking forward to hopefully
[01:07:21.440 -> 01:07:27.920] a resumption of Mercedes challenging for wins so that we can see Red Bull being
[01:07:27.920 -> 01:07:28.920] challenged.
[01:07:28.920 -> 01:07:30.400] Hopefully Ferrari are right up in there as well.
[01:07:30.400 -> 01:07:38.480] I would love, love, love, love to see a proper three team battle up at the front of the field.
[01:07:38.480 -> 01:07:40.040] Yeah, I completely agree.
[01:07:40.040 -> 01:07:44.480] I would love, love, love, love, love to see a three team battle at the front of the field.
[01:07:44.480 -> 01:07:46.800] I want them to be fighting for wins.
[01:07:46.800 -> 01:07:50.560] I want six different race winners in the first six races of the season.
[01:07:50.560 -> 01:07:51.760] Don't call it wishful thinking.
[01:07:51.760 -> 01:07:52.800] I'm manifesting it.
[01:07:52.800 -> 01:07:54.960] I'm praying that it will happen.
[01:07:54.960 -> 01:07:55.680] What about you, Matt?
[01:07:55.680 -> 01:07:59.200] What's one thing that you really, really want to see next season that you're excited for?
[01:07:59.840 -> 01:08:01.280] I'll tell you what I'm excited for.
[01:08:01.280 -> 01:08:03.600] I'm excited to see Piastri and a McLaren.
[01:08:04.480 -> 01:08:09.120] I want to know once and for all, is this a McLaren problem?
[01:08:09.120 -> 01:08:13.720] Or is this just a weird Ricardo McLaren doesn't fit,
[01:08:13.720 -> 01:08:16.400] square peg, round hole kind of a thing?
[01:08:16.400 -> 01:08:19.200] Because I will say that looking at Norris' performance
[01:08:19.200 -> 01:08:22.260] in McLaren last year, Alpine were very lucky
[01:08:22.260 -> 01:08:24.240] to walk away with fourth.
[01:08:24.240 -> 01:08:28.240] If just looking at the points discrepancy is remarkable.
[01:08:28.600 -> 01:08:32.520] That said, Piastri is, well, brand new in the sport.
[01:08:32.520 -> 01:08:34.720] So I think there could be some fun.
[01:08:34.880 -> 01:08:36.440] Yeah, I completely agree.
[01:08:36.680 -> 01:08:39.840] I'm so, so, so looking forward to seeing him versus Lando.
[01:08:40.080 -> 01:08:41.320] I think that's going to be so good.
[01:08:41.320 -> 01:08:44.160] It feels like such a fresh pairing, doesn't it?
[01:08:44.160 -> 01:08:49.680] Two hugely promising drivers and it's just going to be so, oh, it's going to be so good. It feels like such a fresh pairing, doesn't it? Two hugely promising drivers and it's just going to be so good. I'm really looking forward to that as
[01:08:49.680 -> 01:08:54.560] well. I completely agree. Van Gene, what's yours? Before I go to mine, I'm going to address Matt's
[01:08:54.560 -> 01:09:03.200] one. I think with Piastri, I believe Piastri has to perform instantly. After the absolute fuss that
[01:09:03.200 -> 01:09:07.080] he caused throughout 2022, that guy has to come
[01:09:07.080 -> 01:09:10.920] in and hit the ground running and there's no arguments. You can't cause that much of
[01:09:10.920 -> 01:09:17.280] a fuss through three different teams, I think it ended up being, without and then not actually
[01:09:17.280 -> 01:09:20.360] step up to the challenge. I'm not saying he's got to go out there and absolutely beat Lando
[01:09:20.360 -> 01:09:22.840] Norris, but he's got to be on that pace straight away.
[01:09:22.840 -> 01:09:26.400] I mean, I wouldn't say he was hugely dramatic, Matt.
[01:09:27.440 -> 01:09:31.760] Yeah, but I'm sorry, if his first time he beats Norris isn't called
[01:09:31.760 -> 01:09:37.520] piastri de resistance by every single headline writer, they should all be fired.
[01:09:38.160 -> 01:09:51.600] Okay, well, piastri is going to come in next year, be the pièce de résistance of F1, Chris. Can I just say, pièce de résistance caused zero fuss, Alpine caused all the fuss.
[01:09:51.600 -> 01:09:53.360] He didn't have to send that tweet.
[01:09:53.360 -> 01:09:54.800] Blame the French.
[01:09:54.800 -> 01:09:56.000] Fine, blame the French.
[01:09:56.000 -> 01:09:58.160] He did not have to send that tweet.
[01:09:58.160 -> 01:09:59.120] Yes, he did.
[01:09:59.120 -> 01:10:00.240] No, he didn't.
[01:10:00.240 -> 01:10:05.480] I'm sorry, in this world of modern technology, you do not need to tweet that you are not
[01:10:05.480 -> 01:10:09.080] joining Alpine when you can have a much more dignified conversation.
[01:10:09.080 -> 01:10:19.440] I'm going to offer my social media perspective on this, which is, these races, they know
[01:10:19.440 -> 01:10:21.160] they have platforms.
[01:10:21.160 -> 01:10:26.800] In making such a public announcement that was going to subject Piastri to a huge
[01:10:26.800 -> 01:10:32.320] amount of positive attention, probably yes, but also just a lot of messages going,
[01:10:32.320 -> 01:10:38.560] oh, you're racing for Alpine. That then could infringe on his contract with McLaren in terms
[01:10:38.560 -> 01:10:42.560] of he's probably been told not to say anything at that point because of course the deal was signed
[01:10:42.560 -> 01:10:49.040] in Silverstone. So it had been in the works, he knew it was happening. So there was a very limited amount he could say to respond to
[01:10:49.040 -> 01:10:55.600] this. However, I don't blame him for approaching a public situation publicly because if he did go to
[01:10:55.600 -> 01:11:01.280] Alpine quietly, then that doesn't resolve the fact that everyone now thinks he's racing for Alpine.
[01:11:01.280 -> 01:11:06.500] You know, when a situation has been made public, responding to it publicly, I do understand that.
[01:11:06.500 -> 01:11:08.140] And it's well within his rights,
[01:11:08.140 -> 01:11:11.100] knowing that he's going to be racing for McLaren to go,
[01:11:11.100 -> 01:11:12.220] I'm sorry, that's incorrect.
[01:11:12.220 -> 01:11:13.860] He didn't give anything away necessarily.
[01:11:13.860 -> 01:11:15.760] Yes, it raised suspicions,
[01:11:15.760 -> 01:11:18.620] but you know, he didn't slander anyone online.
[01:11:18.620 -> 01:11:20.620] He didn't do anything overly aggressive.
[01:11:20.620 -> 01:11:23.140] He just very emphatically, very strongly said,
[01:11:23.140 -> 01:11:25.600] no, that's not true, basically.
[01:11:30.400 -> 01:11:37.840] And that's just my take from a social media perspective, Chris. You know PR, this is you. Chris Antoni, yes, I agree with you 100% because if I was Piastri's PR, I would have done the exact
[01:11:38.400 -> 01:11:43.520] same thing. Squash it quickly. And I'll tell you what as well, let me just remind y'all,
[01:11:46.480 -> 01:11:54.480] quickly and I'll tell you what as well let me just remind y'all. Rookie Formula Renault champion, rookie Formula 3 champion, rookie Formula 2 champion. He will do just fine.
[01:11:54.480 -> 01:11:58.560] So will Stoffel van Doorn. Stoffel van- no you cannot even begin!
[01:11:58.560 -> 01:12:05.240] Oh wow I sense we're heading off on a tangent here. You know what, on that note, what a lovely...
[01:12:05.240 -> 01:12:06.600] Chris, I'm going to have to ask you
[01:12:06.600 -> 01:12:08.680] to yield to the chair, please.
[01:12:08.680 -> 01:12:09.960] Goodness gracious.
[01:12:09.960 -> 01:12:12.680] You know what, everyone, on the note of social media,
[01:12:12.680 -> 01:12:14.360] that's going to be all for today.
[01:12:14.360 -> 01:12:16.480] Thank you so much for all listening in.
[01:12:16.480 -> 01:12:17.880] I've had a lot of fun.
[01:12:17.880 -> 01:12:19.920] These kind of things, they get my heart pitter pattering,
[01:12:19.920 -> 01:12:20.980] but you've all been so wonderful
[01:12:20.980 -> 01:12:23.400] sitting there silently listening on Monday morning.
[01:12:23.400 -> 01:12:24.240] It's been great.
[01:12:24.240 -> 01:12:28.480] Thank you so much for having me. And that's going to be all for today. So please follow our panel.
[01:12:28.480 -> 01:12:34.720] We've got Chris on Twitter at Chris on Racing. We've got Mr Alex Van Jeen, follow Alex, which is
[01:12:34.720 -> 01:12:43.280] spelled Alex Van Jeen, V-A-N-G-E-E-N, and Matt at PT55. And also, you know, whilst you're there,
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[01:12:59.920 -> 01:13:04.960] And next week, we have a magazine show focusing on tech before Spanners comes back to launch
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