Podcast: Missed Apex
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Spanners and Trumpets are joined by Presenter/Commentator and 7News Sports Reporter Jonathan ‘Jono’ Simon and legendary streamer and sim racer Scott Tuffey as they roll the dice with the Las Vegas Grand Prix. From Safety Car shuffles, to start line spins, to the fabulous battle to the finish, no awkward back seat chat goes unbroadcast in this, the latest episode of Missed Apex Podcast.
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Please let me know if you would like me to proceed with this approach. * **Introduction:**
* Spanners Ready, Matt Trumpets, Jonathan Simon, and Scott Tuffey introduce the episode.
* The podcast is supported by Patreon and listeners can also support the podcast by using the Tip Jar.
* **Main Discussion:**
* **The Las Vegas Grand Prix:**
* The race was chaotic, with several safety car periods and incidents.
* The first safety car was caused by Lando Norris' crash, which bunched up the field and gave Lance Stroll and Carlos Sainz a free pit stop.
* The second safety car was caused by debris from a collision between George Russell and Max Verstappen.
* Russell was penalized for the incident, but opinions differ on whether Verstappen was also at fault.
* Charles Leclerc had a significant lead before the second safety car, but the incident helped Verstappen close the gap.
* Verstappen eventually won the race, with Leclerc finishing second and Sergio Perez finishing third.
* **Analysis of the Race:**
* Verstappen's win was aided by the safety car, but he also drove well and made some great overtakes.
* Leclerc was unlucky not to win, as he had the faster car and was leading before the safety car.
* Perez drove well to finish on the podium, but he made a mistake on the last lap that allowed Leclerc to overtake him.
* The race was also notable for several other incidents, including a collision between Lewis Hamilton and Oscar Piastri.
* **Conclusion:**
* The Las Vegas Grand Prix was a chaotic and exciting race, with plenty of action and drama.
* Verstappen's win was impressive, but Leclerc was unlucky not to win.
* The race also highlighted the importance of strategy and luck in Formula One. **Summary of the Missed Apex Podcast Episode on the Las Vegas Grand Prix**
**Introduction:**
* The Missed Apex podcast crew, joined by guest commentators, discuss the thrilling Las Vegas Grand Prix, which featured safety car shuffles, start-line spins, and a captivating battle to the finish.
**Key Race Incidents and Controversies:**
* Sergio Perez's struggles: Perez had a disappointing race, failing to capitalize on his strong qualifying position. He was unable to challenge Verstappen for the lead and made several mistakes, including a failed overtake attempt on Alonso and a defensive error against Leclerc.
* Mercedes' struggles: Mercedes had a disappointing weekend, with both Hamilton and Russell failing to challenge for the podium. Hamilton had a poor start and was involved in an incident with Piastri, while Russell suffered a puncture and a penalty.
* Hamilton's recent driving style: There has been some debate about Hamilton's recent driving style, with some suggesting that he is taking more risks and making more mistakes. The commentators discuss whether this is a result of the lack of a title fight or simply a change in his approach.
* George Russell's driving style: Russell has also been involved in several incidents recently, leading to discussions about his driving style. Some believe he is too aggressive, while others argue that he is simply pushing the limits of the car.
* Ocon's strong performance: Esteban Ocon had a great race, finishing fourth and battling for a podium position. He made several impressive overtakes and showed strong pace throughout the race.
* Gasly's battery issues: Pierre Gasly faced battery issues during the race, which hampered his performance and caused him to drop down the order.
* Verstappen's qualifying incident with Ocon: Verstappen and Ocon had a controversial incident during qualifying, with Verstappen impeding Ocon's lap. Verstappen admitted to deliberately blocking Ocon, which led to criticism from some quarters.
**Podium Awards:**
* Worst moment of the weekend: The commentators award the "Missed the Apex" award to Verstappen for his actions in qualifying. They felt that his behavior was unsportsmanlike and could have potentially ruined Ocon's and Zhou's qualifying laps.
* Best overtake of the weekend: The commentators award the "Apex Award" to Hamilton for his overtake on Gasly near the end of the race. They praised Hamilton's skill and precision in executing the move.
* Driver of the day: The commentators award the "Driver of the Day" award to Ocon for his impressive performance in the race. They highlighted his strong pace, overtaking skills, and battling spirit.
**Overall Assessment of the Las Vegas Grand Prix:**
* The commentators conclude that the Las Vegas Grand Prix was an exciting and entertaining race, with plenty of action and drama. They praise the circuit for providing good racing and creating opportunities for overtaking.
* They also commend the organizers for putting on a successful event, despite the challenges and skepticism surrounding the race in the lead-up.
* The commentators express their hope that the Las Vegas Grand Prix will continue to be a part of the Formula One calendar in the future. In this episode of the Missed Apex podcast, hosts Spanners Ready, Matt Trumpets, Jonathan Simon, and Scott Tuffey delve into the controversies, highlights, and pivotal moments of the Las Vegas Grand Prix.
**Missed Apex Awards:**
* **Hit the Apex:** Awarded to the person or thing that had an exceptional performance or positive impact on the weekend.
* Matt Trumpets: The Sphere - A large, spherical LED display that provided unique viewing angles of the race.
* Stuffy: Sassy Max - Max Verstappen's outspoken criticism of the Las Vegas Grand Prix and Sprint races.
* Jono: Ted Kravitz - Sky Sports F1 pundit who provided insightful commentary throughout the weekend.
* **Missed the Apex:** Awarded to the person or thing that had a poor performance or negative impact on the weekend.
* All panelists: The Las Vegas Grand Prix organizers - For the numerous issues and poor handling of various situations, including the drain cover incident, Carlos Sainz's penalty, and the chaotic post-race podium ceremony.
**Other Notable Moments:**
* Toto Wolff's defense of the Las Vegas Grand Prix and his criticism of Fred Vasseur, who had expressed his disappointment over the race weekend.
* Pierre Gasly's poor golf swing during a promotional event, which drew criticism and humor from the panelists.
* The bizarre 20-minute car ride to the Bellagio Hotel for the post-race interviews, which was deemed unnecessary and awkward by the panelists.
* The controversial 10-place grid penalty given to Carlos Sainz for an engine change, despite the lack of a clear regulation regarding force majeure.
**Overall, the panelists agreed that the Las Vegas Grand Prix was a missed opportunity due to poor organization and execution, but there were still some positive aspects, such as the exciting three-way battle for the lead and the unique atmosphere of the race.** # Missed Apex Podcast: Las Vegas Grand Prix Review
## Introduction:
- The podcast begins with the hosts introducing the episode, welcoming the guests, and discussing the Las Vegas Grand Prix.
- They mention the unique aspects of the race, including the night-time setting and the glitz and glamour of Las Vegas.
## Race Summary:
- The hosts provide a detailed summary of the race, highlighting key moments and discussing the strategies employed by the teams.
- They analyze the performances of the top drivers, including Max Verstappen, Lewis Hamilton, and Sergio Perez.
- The hosts also discuss the impact of the safety car periods on the race outcome.
## Controversies and Insights:
- The hosts discuss the controversial moments of the race, including the start-line incident between Fernando Alonso and Lance Stroll.
- They provide their insights on the decisions made by the stewards and the potential consequences for the drivers involved.
- The hosts also highlight some of the interesting strategies and tactics used by the teams, such as Red Bull's decision to pit Verstappen for a second time.
## Quotes and Statements:
- The hosts share some memorable quotes and statements made by the drivers and team principals during the race weekend.
- They discuss the significance of these statements and their implications for the championship battle.
## Overall Takeaways:
- The hosts summarize the key takeaways from the Las Vegas Grand Prix, emphasizing the importance of strategy, tire management, and driver skill.
- They discuss the implications of the race results for the championship standings and preview the upcoming season finale in Abu Dhabi.
## Conclusion:
- The hosts wrap up the episode by thanking the guests for their insights and encouraging listeners to share their thoughts on the race.
- They remind listeners about the upcoming mid-week content and the live stream for the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.
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[02:49.360 -> 02:52.680] You are listening to Missed Apex Podcast.
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[03:08.880 -> 03:13.320] Welcome to MissedApex Podcast. The title of today's show is That'll Do, Pig, That'll Do.
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[03:16.440 -> 03:23.280] Hi, I'm your host, Richard Ready, and welcome to the Las Vegas Grand Prix Race Review, the
[03:23.280 -> 03:25.000] race that surprised the world
[03:31.840 -> 03:32.000] Well me at least has it staked its claim to be the new f1 jewel in the crown or is everyone getting a bit?
[03:35.900 -> 03:41.900] Carried away. Well, we will be discussing that without doubt This was a very fun race to watch at the very least could Charles Leclerc have claimed victory
[03:42.040 -> 03:47.520] Was this Verstappen's drive of the season? And did Mercedes blow a chance at double glory?
[03:47.720 -> 03:52.240] And more in this flashy neon episode of Missed Apex podcast.
[03:52.440 -> 03:54.560] We are an independent podcast produced
[03:54.560 -> 03:57.400] in the podcasting shed with the kind permission of our better halves.
[03:57.600 -> 04:00.920] We aim to bring you a race review before your Monday morning commute.
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[04:14.200 -> 04:19.560] Now today, more than ever, I'm going to have to rely on my panel to have been my eyes and ears and my stats, because I had a very weird experience today where I was watching it in a studio doing a live watch along,
[04:19.560 -> 04:23.640] and I didn't have any race commentary, and I thought that was going to be a big miss,
[04:23.640 -> 04:28.800] and I'm sure there's a lot of information that I missed but these guys will all have picked that up
[04:28.800 -> 04:33.320] but it was very strange watching it not having this constant feed of information and team
[04:33.320 -> 04:38.800] radio and it really surprised me that I enjoyed the race just as much and I didn't actually
[04:38.800 -> 04:43.120] miss the commentary as much as I thought that I would and I think that's testament to how
[04:43.120 -> 04:45.120] the race looked on TV and the amount of
[04:45.120 -> 04:50.800] action that was going on and there was a problem with the F1 live timing screen so I was flying
[04:50.800 -> 04:56.960] blind so a completely different viewing experience for me but let's see how our panel found it.
[04:56.960 -> 05:02.960] Joined in America, offset on the east coast, abandoned by Formula One to watch it at one or
[05:02.960 -> 05:06.400] two in the morning, it's Matt. Two rumpets! Hello, Matt.
[05:06.400 -> 05:08.600] Sleep is for the weak.
[05:08.600 -> 05:10.600] Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't know.
[05:10.600 -> 05:12.400] So, I just haven't had any.
[05:12.400 -> 05:15.600] The schedule has been so bonkers that you try and fit
[05:15.600 -> 05:19.000] watching all the free practices in with, like, general family life.
[05:19.000 -> 05:22.800] And I've actually got to the point now where I tried to sleep last night
[05:22.800 -> 05:25.840] to get up at 2.30 to go into London,
[05:25.840 -> 05:29.360] body just wouldn't have it. Put my head down at nine o'clock, woke up an hour later.
[05:30.000 -> 05:35.120] Yeah, I was thinking I would get a nap in before today's show, but nope, not going to happen.
[05:35.760 -> 05:39.200] Slept for about an hour and a half, got up and have been at it ever since.
[05:39.200 -> 05:46.960] And we have in the shed with us, we have got international iRacing streamer supreme it's Scott Scuffy Tuffy
[05:46.960 -> 05:53.440] hey Scott hey Spanners I think at this going rate I have more chance of getting a win from pole
[05:53.440 -> 05:59.040] position than Charles Leclerc does himself now to be fair this is the least positions he's lost from
[05:59.040 -> 06:05.760] pole for a long time yeah he was very unfortunate today and I'm sure we will touch on that very shortly. We
[06:05.760 -> 06:09.840] definitely will. And someone who can't possibly understand what we've all been going through with
[06:09.840 -> 06:15.280] our time zones from Australia, it's Jonathan Simon. Hey, Jono. Yeah, every race in Australia
[06:15.280 -> 06:19.040] is at a reasonable time. I'm in holiday mode, Spanners, and I have to tell you, I have never
[06:19.040 -> 06:26.800] enjoyed an F1 race this much all season. So let's unravel it. This is going to be a fun one. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, let's get on with reviewing the race.
[06:31.760 -> 06:38.800] Okay, so there was a lot of horrendousness on the first practice session and it has taken up a lot
[06:38.800 -> 06:43.120] of bandwidth. So if we get to that, it will be later in the awards. I'm sure it'll be someone's
[06:43.120 -> 06:49.440] Missed Apex award. But to be honest, I've just had such a fun Sunday watching Formula 1. I kind of want
[06:49.440 -> 06:54.140] to focus on why it was good. So first of all, I'm assuming, I'll look for nods that we all
[06:54.140 -> 07:00.480] enjoyed that race. But possibly, who was talking to me about expectation management? Was that
[07:00.480 -> 07:01.480] you, Stuffy?
[07:01.480 -> 07:06.240] It was indeed. Yeah, I think there's probably going to be a lot of
[07:06.240 -> 07:13.200] recency bias with this event because it was a good race. I think we all had very low expectations
[07:13.200 -> 07:19.840] coming into it. No one was really overly excited when the track layout was announced a few years
[07:19.840 -> 07:24.640] ago. And then of course, the start of the way the event panned out at the start of the week.
[07:23.680 -> 07:25.360] and then of course the start of the way the event panned out at the start of the week.
[07:25.360 -> 07:29.560] But yes, I'm very pleasantly surprised
[07:29.560 -> 07:31.080] with an enjoyable race.
[07:31.080 -> 07:35.160] And who knows if we'll have another Vegas race,
[07:35.160 -> 07:38.120] but yeah, there is plans to obviously have it
[07:38.120 -> 07:39.280] for the next 10 years.
[07:39.280 -> 07:41.320] And hopefully if there is,
[07:41.320 -> 07:43.000] every single one of them is like this
[07:43.000 -> 07:45.560] because we had, surprisingly for a street track,
[07:45.560 -> 07:47.360] a lot of wheel-to-wheel action.
[07:47.360 -> 07:49.000] So I think a lot of the tracks
[07:49.000 -> 07:51.720] that we had low expectations for this year
[07:51.720 -> 07:52.940] have produced some good racing.
[07:52.940 -> 07:56.320] So have we just gotten really good at expectation management
[07:56.320 -> 07:57.880] or is there something about these regs
[07:57.880 -> 07:59.680] that gives us good wheel-to-wheel racing?
[07:59.680 -> 08:00.680] And even in Singapore,
[08:00.680 -> 08:02.560] Singapore was quite an interesting race
[08:02.560 -> 08:05.520] when it's normally terrible. And then we haven't
[08:05.520 -> 08:11.280] had that many duds. So I think Brazil felt like a dud because of the sprint weekend.
[08:11.280 -> 08:18.240] But let's talk about what made this weekend and this race work. Jono.
[08:18.240 -> 08:22.640] Okay. First off, despite the fact that every race this season I've watched, I go,
[08:22.640 -> 08:25.000] what's the point of watching Max Verstappen's going to win?
[08:25.160 -> 08:28.440] For some reason today I said, is Max Verstappen going to win?
[08:28.480 -> 08:29.240] I wasn't sure.
[08:29.240 -> 08:32.040] And that was part of what made it a little bit exciting.
[08:32.480 -> 08:38.400] The no grip, the carnage, the overtaking, DRS worked really well at this track.
[08:38.400 -> 08:39.560] It wasn't overpowered.
[08:39.560 -> 08:42.800] It was actually kind of, they nailed it, in my opinion, from the start.
[08:43.360 -> 08:48.800] It can never be perfect, but it was pretty good. There was a whole heap of factors that came in but I think it was the battle for the win where
[08:48.800 -> 08:53.760] you just weren't sure until those final laps, until that final safety car came out, who was actually
[08:53.760 -> 08:58.800] going to take out the win because this season, oh there's one week left Spanners, hurry up let's get
[08:58.800 -> 09:03.600] it over and done with. What really? Well I suppose what you've got a bit of fatigue I suppose. I have
[09:03.600 -> 09:07.200] to admit when I when my wife pointed out that there was a race next weekend as well,
[09:07.200 -> 09:09.400] I went, oh, that's the last one.
[09:09.400 -> 09:12.240] And like normally you go the F1 season, oh, it's flown by.
[09:12.560 -> 09:14.920] But it hasn't flown by at all.
[09:15.440 -> 09:19.000] Well, it's this 18 races have been won by the same driver.
[09:19.000 -> 09:21.720] And I just kind of go, let's just move on to next season.
[09:21.840 -> 09:24.120] Now, that could be the grass is always greener.
[09:24.120 -> 09:26.760] I have a feeling next season, Red Bull's going to have an even better car
[09:26.880 -> 09:30.160] and they might win every single race and it might just be Max Verstappen.
[09:30.160 -> 09:32.080] But that's next season.
[09:32.080 -> 09:35.720] This race was like you said, you know, I look at this layout initially
[09:35.720 -> 09:38.600] and like most fans did, and it was a very dull layout.
[09:38.600 -> 09:40.960] It didn't look like something that was enjoyable to drive.
[09:41.560 -> 09:44.240] The darkness kind of was a little bit weird, too.
[09:44.240 -> 09:45.960] But but the race and the layout
[09:45.960 -> 09:47.520] seemed to pay dividends at the end.
[09:47.520 -> 09:51.520] So on the layout, I think the reason we instinctively looked at that and said, well, that's not
[09:51.520 -> 09:57.160] very interesting is it kind of lacks character from a layout point of view. And there's no
[09:57.160 -> 10:01.680] standout corner on there where you go, oh, wow, that's like Parabolica or that's like
[10:01.680 -> 10:10.760] the Suzuka S's. There's nothing like that But what they seem to have done and let's give them credit and say they did this on purpose was they really focused on like?
[10:10.920 -> 10:17.240] Drag overtaking zone drag race overtaking zone. So it kind of worked like a car track almost Matt
[10:17.440 -> 10:20.120] Yeah, well, I think it's important to acknowledge
[10:21.240 -> 10:22.960] that they
[10:22.960 -> 10:29.280] Adjusted that DRS zone. They added 50 meters to it after what they saw on Friday.
[10:29.280 -> 10:33.400] So in the old days, they used to regularly tune the DRS zones.
[10:33.400 -> 10:35.560] But as Jono said, they got it right.
[10:35.560 -> 10:38.760] It was enough to pass if you had a faster car,
[10:38.760 -> 10:41.640] but it wasn't enough for someone chasing you
[10:41.640 -> 10:44.020] to just be immediately dropped.
[10:44.020 -> 10:45.760] The other thing that made this track
[10:46.040 -> 10:52.300] Interesting is you had I know you said they're no iconic but like if I look at was it turned 17
[10:52.740 -> 10:57.120] Like there were or the one that Norris crashed on the drivers were saying yes
[10:57.120 -> 11:04.600] It's flat, but it was only barely flat like you were you were on edge every time you went through those
[11:07.600 -> 11:15.120] sweeping corners. But the short corners, they kept to a minimum. The chicane bit actually really worked to give big braking zones
[11:15.120 -> 11:22.160] and non-DRS opportunities for overtakes. And we don't often see that at other street circuits.
[11:22.160 -> 11:26.660] And so I think to the extent they had any control over it, they made a good choice
[11:26.660 -> 11:28.520] with the types of corners they included.
[11:29.000 -> 11:31.280] Look, they'll come back here for sure. And they're going to race
[11:31.280 -> 11:34.560] here. And I what Matt just said about turn 17, when Norris
[11:34.560 -> 11:36.960] crashed, the thing I don't want to see is you know how these
[11:36.960 -> 11:39.280] cars get easier to drive every year and faster and more
[11:39.280 -> 11:42.280] downforce. I don't want that corner turning into what a
[11:42.280 -> 11:44.720] rouges become now and it's just flat out and it's barely a
[11:44.720 -> 11:45.120] corner.
[11:45.480 -> 11:48.720] That's what we wanted to see Eau Rouge like, you know, back in the olden days,
[11:48.720 -> 11:49.720] that's what it was kind of like.
[11:49.720 -> 11:53.460] And Nora's like pretty much had an accident there on cold tires, cold track.
[11:53.460 -> 11:56.960] So that's exactly what we need to, here's an idea.
[11:56.960 -> 12:00.480] Why don't we adjust the racetrack as the cars change over the next few years?
[12:00.480 -> 12:01.440] You know, that's another idea.
[12:01.440 -> 12:02.200] It's a street track.
[12:02.360 -> 12:06.000] So you can make corners tighter or wider or wider or adjust the layout a little bit.
[12:06.000 -> 12:11.840] Stuffy. I think the track layout actually helped with the cars being able to follow a lot closer.
[12:11.840 -> 12:18.480] We've heard, particularly this year compared to last year, when we moved to these new regulations,
[12:18.480 -> 12:23.120] that this year is a lot more difficult to follow. It's kind of because they've had to raise the
[12:23.120 -> 12:25.960] ride height, because of the pull pushing,
[12:25.960 -> 12:28.640] to limit that, they're giving off a bit more dirty air,
[12:28.640 -> 12:32.920] but maybe because there's not too many swoopy sections
[12:32.920 -> 12:37.920] like Orooji-Sei and the Suzuka, the S's at Suzuka,
[12:39.200 -> 12:41.080] they're not giving off too much dirty air.
[12:41.080 -> 12:43.400] I mean, we saw some great overtakes and attempts
[12:43.400 -> 12:48.720] through that difficult turn 11 where Lando lost it once they got tyres up to temperature and maybe the cooler
[12:48.720 -> 12:56.040] temperatures as well. Just allowed them to keep the tyres in check for longer and just
[12:56.040 -> 13:01.680] follow a lot closer and that's why we got some good racing. Combined with, they very
[13:01.680 -> 13:06.240] rarely get it right, but combined with the fact that they now did the RS and we got
[13:06.240 -> 13:12.000] them going side by side into corners at the end of straights rather than breezing past.
[13:12.000 -> 13:17.040] So they were able to follow and they were on the edge of adhesion. So why was that? Well,
[13:17.040 -> 13:21.760] there was less downforce. So they were able to... there was less downforce and they were able to
[13:21.760 -> 13:26.200] follow? Why hasn't anyone thought of or suggested
[13:26.200 -> 13:32.680] this in the past? That maybe there should be less aero? And why hasn't any handsome
[13:32.680 -> 13:37.760] Essex podcasters ever suggested that there should be less grip in general with the tyres?
[13:37.760 -> 13:42.080] So less mechanical grip, less aero grip, and look, the cars could follow, the cars could
[13:42.080 -> 13:47.440] race, everyone was happy. Which one of the three of us from Essex came up with that idea?
[13:47.440 -> 13:48.160] That's what I want to know.
[13:48.800 -> 13:51.280] You're claiming Essex heritage now, are you, Ozzy?
[13:51.280 -> 13:51.760] Okay.
[13:51.760 -> 13:52.080] Yeah.
[13:52.080 -> 13:52.800] Yes, I am.
[13:53.760 -> 13:54.800] You're right about that point.
[13:54.800 -> 14:01.120] And Perez tried, I think, as far as I can recall, he was on a little bit more downforce
[14:01.120 -> 14:04.640] for the weekend compared to his teammate, at least in the Red Bull, compared to most others.
[14:04.640 -> 14:08.240] And it didn't help. And you're right, Spanners, this is a track where the low downforce for the weekend compared to his teammate at least in the Red Bull compared to most others and it didn't help and you're right Spanners you know this is a track where the low downforce
[14:08.240 -> 14:13.040] does help and it can help it at other racetracks in the future. The thing is though it's um I mean
[14:13.040 -> 14:17.600] I don't think it was just layout that helped today I think it was fresh track and track grip too you
[14:17.600 -> 14:22.880] know it was a fairly fresh layout. You had traffic running through this layout when F1 wasn't on.
[14:22.880 -> 14:28.400] They had to reopen the roads a couple times times for people to get through. So that can also cause some issues to grip.
[14:28.400 -> 14:33.440] There was a whole lot of factors we hadn't experienced, let alone what was like a 15,
[14:33.440 -> 14:36.760] 20 minute drive after the race just to get to the podium, which we'll go into later,
[14:36.760 -> 14:39.840] which is separate to the race and the racetrack. But I don't know what the hell that was about.
[14:39.840 -> 14:43.840] I caught some of that in the corner of my eye and I was glad that I missed it, to be
[14:43.840 -> 14:47.920] honest. So there you go, Matt. Do you remember there was a race, was it in Canada, where there
[14:47.920 -> 14:54.240] was suddenly a three or four stopper and F1 went, oh isn't the race exciting with multiple
[14:54.240 -> 14:58.560] stops? Do you think they'll just have a kind of, you know, come to Jesus moment now where
[14:58.560 -> 15:09.040] they go, whoa, the racing was really good with low aero and lower grip. Well, I mean, aside from the fact that technically everybody was running low,
[15:09.040 -> 15:15.840] like Monza spec downforce, the actual downforce the cars had at higher speeds
[15:15.840 -> 15:18.840] kind of balances out, which is sort of what you get.
[15:19.240 -> 15:22.840] But the thing that I really think made a big difference here
[15:23.640 -> 15:26.480] was because it was a new track surface. You had
[15:26.480 -> 15:33.680] very low tire degradation. You still had tire wear and you still had to deal with the tires
[15:33.680 -> 15:39.680] being cold or hot or getting them into the window, but the tires themselves had fairly low physical
[15:39.680 -> 15:46.320] degradation because it was a new surface. So we saw some different problems for the drivers.
[15:46.520 -> 15:53.000] Lots of graining that had to be managed at various times during the race made it
[15:53.200 -> 15:57.560] interesting and made the tyre offsets, even four or five laps,
[15:57.560 -> 16:00.680] a lot more valuable than they oftentimes are at other circuits.
[16:00.880 -> 16:03.480] All right, let's get into the start.
[16:02.320 -> 16:06.000] circuits. All right, let's get into the start.
[16:14.640 -> 16:20.560] Okay, it's close between Verstappen and Leclerc into turn one. And I guess Leclerc just decides for no reason to drive eight car widths around the outside. And Verstappen very kindly didn't
[16:20.560 -> 16:27.400] want Leclerc to be lonely, so followed him all the way out there and they all went on and had a big fun day. Stuffy?
[16:27.400 -> 16:34.720] Well, what we saw today was what I like to call the Max Verstappen move. Done by the
[16:34.720 -> 16:35.720] man himself.
[16:35.720 -> 16:36.720] The master.
[16:36.720 -> 16:43.720] I am so glad. Can I tell you, I think, I never thought this day would arrive. I never thought
[16:43.720 -> 16:46.080] we would see the day where Max Verstappen gets
[16:46.080 -> 16:50.320] penalized for sending it down the inside, lunging his car into
[16:50.320 -> 16:53.560] a position, claiming a corner and forcing a car off track. I
[16:53.560 -> 16:57.200] thought those days, well, yeah, never thought I'd see the day
[16:57.200 -> 17:01.000] and then I know there was the penalty could have arrived
[17:01.000 -> 17:02.360] sooner. They had plenty of time.
[17:02.360 -> 17:04.000] It was a lot of time, wasn't there?
[17:04.360 -> 17:08.040] There was. But you know what? We finally got it, guys. We
[17:08.040 -> 17:11.800] finally got a penalty dished out for this move. Do you know
[17:11.800 -> 17:13.920] what, take Max out of the equation. The fact of it, this
[17:13.920 -> 17:18.120] move has finally been penalized is brilliant. And hopefully,
[17:18.160 -> 17:21.640] fingers crossed, it sets a precedent that we don't see this
[17:21.640 -> 17:24.680] anymore. Because we want to see will to will action, this sort
[17:24.680 -> 17:25.040] of move,
[17:25.680 -> 17:31.920] thankfully there's runoff and that's probably why Max was able to do it and tried it, but Charles
[17:31.920 -> 17:36.800] could easily have just like, there was not a lot of grip there, he could have ended up like spinning
[17:36.800 -> 17:43.360] as a few cars did and that yeah, we could have been robbed of an eventual good race which it
[17:43.360 -> 17:49.040] eventually turned out to be. But Leclerc, I think, because the rule is, the stupid rule that's got to change for next season,
[17:49.040 -> 17:55.200] is that because Leclerc was slightly ahead by the apex, and by any interpretation of where you want
[17:55.200 -> 18:00.400] to put the apex on that corner, Leclerc was ahead. And then you go, well, in that case,
[18:00.400 -> 18:04.160] he's entitled to room on the outside. So Leclerc could have just stayed on track,
[18:04.160 -> 18:09.280] and Verstappen would have just hit him and caused a collision, but Verstappen didn't want to get
[18:09.280 -> 18:15.840] hit. So to be clear, Matt, if Verstappen had then done that and stayed on track, the rules are kind
[18:15.840 -> 18:21.520] of a little bit more generous, although Leclerc was entitled to room. But here, because he went
[18:21.520 -> 18:26.160] so far off, kind of Brazil 2021 style, but he's just been penalized for
[18:26.160 -> 18:29.520] sort of going off track and gaining an advantage. He hasn't... doesn't feel like he's really been
[18:29.520 -> 18:33.520] penalized for what could have been, you know, smacking into another car.
[18:33.520 -> 18:40.640] Well, I mean, you know, to a certain extent, you can only penalize what actually happens in a race.
[18:40.640 -> 18:46.640] He very clearly drove Leclerc off track when LeClerc was entitled to room. He was penalized
[18:46.640 -> 18:53.440] five seconds for it, although you can make the argument that that five-second penalty was perhaps
[18:54.080 -> 19:00.080] not sufficient to being able to run in clean air for his entire first stint. But hilariously,
[19:00.720 -> 19:06.900] to me, of all the times I have seen this, he probably has, it's probably the most likely
[19:06.900 -> 19:12.380] time he's ever not really meant to do it, because we had before the race, one of the
[19:12.380 -> 19:16.920] parade cars leaking oil all over the track.
[19:16.920 -> 19:27.680] And so it might genuinely be the fact that he turned in and had no grip because we saw Alonzo go through that same corner and spin
[19:27.680 -> 19:34.480] the wheel of fortune and we saw signs do the same thing. So as much as it pains me to say,
[19:34.480 -> 19:38.480] I don't think he meant to do that, I'm pretty sure he did not mean to do that.
[19:38.480 -> 19:45.440] No, hang on a minute. Hang on a minute, but that sort of doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, does it?
[19:45.440 -> 19:52.440] It doesn't matter in the sense of the penalty, but we are often thinking that racing drivers
[19:52.440 -> 19:58.760] will make something look like it wasn't intentional when it really, really was. But in this instance,
[19:58.760 -> 20:03.960] I think that there was oil on the track and that he did not have the grip that he expected
[20:03.960 -> 20:07.040] to have when he entered that turn.
[20:08.040 -> 20:11.600] I have to disagree with you on a couple of points there, Matt. I
[20:12.000 -> 20:16.680] that was totally intentional there. He did get a good start.
[20:16.920 -> 20:22.240] And he's trying to out break and keep tight to the inside of the
[20:22.240 -> 20:28.760] Claire. Yes, the Yes, the surface wasn't as grippy. We saw other drivers kind of misunderstand
[20:28.760 -> 20:32.840] their how much level of grip they would have. Yeah, I mean,
[20:32.840 -> 20:36.360] because you could see it was very shiny surface and Alonso
[20:36.360 -> 20:39.960] and signs and that out kind of break themselves. But if you
[20:39.960 -> 20:43.600] watch the on board back from Verstappen, he could turn left
[20:43.600 -> 20:47.040] hand down a lot sooner than what he did. It's a typical move
[20:47.040 -> 20:50.200] that he's done. And I also disagree with the fact of that
[20:50.200 -> 20:55.680] you can only penalize. I hate this interpretation of it. Oh,
[20:55.680 -> 20:59.120] well, we didn't hit someone, someone backed out. And in
[20:59.120 -> 21:02.600] football, soccer, if someone goes in with a two-foot
[21:02.600 -> 21:05.960] challenge, it doesn't matter if they take the person out
[21:05.960 -> 21:08.440] and make contact, it's a dangerous challenge.
[21:08.440 -> 21:11.280] There's intention there, and they get a red card.
[21:11.280 -> 21:12.520] They get sent off.
[21:12.520 -> 21:15.500] The same should be done for racing like this,
[21:15.500 -> 21:17.480] where you can see the intention is that
[21:17.480 -> 21:18.920] if the other driver didn't back out,
[21:18.920 -> 21:21.280] there would be a crash, there should be a penalty.
[21:21.280 -> 21:23.240] And today, it rightfully got applied.
[21:23.240 -> 21:30.560] But that's harking back to like the glory days in the 80s and 90s. It was such a feature that
[21:30.560 -> 21:36.400] has been admired in F1, which is with Senna, he would give you a choice. You either yield or you
[21:36.400 -> 21:43.520] crash. And that has been glamorized all throughout racing as a virtue. I've never really seen that as
[21:43.520 -> 21:49.760] a virtue. I think it's like, you should then, you should have some responsibility as well and it not just always
[21:49.760 -> 21:53.920] be one person going yield or crash. Jono?
[21:53.920 -> 21:58.440] Then there are situations, I totally agree with Stuffy, is like, I don't want to bring
[21:58.440 -> 22:03.160] up Abu Dhabi 2021, but there are situations where, like that, just to compare it to this
[22:03.160 -> 22:08.160] event where if you do turn in, your season's over and it doesn't matter.
[22:08.160 -> 22:13.360] How do you, now as a steward, you go, okay, if somebody dive bombs you and you're a smart
[22:13.360 -> 22:18.200] guy and you don't turn in and you don't get a penalty, yeah, you're right.
[22:18.200 -> 22:23.280] In this situation, Verstappen, despite not making contact, it was a move where even if
[22:23.280 -> 22:27.680] he didn't make the overtake, I still think he deserves like a reprimand or
[22:27.680 -> 22:29.600] something. And it's not just Max Verstappen, it's any other
[22:29.600 -> 22:32.200] driver in this situation. The only reason they didn't make
[22:32.200 -> 22:35.120] contact is Charles Leclerc is a good driver who knows to leave
[22:35.120 -> 22:37.360] space because bad drivers wouldn't. We had this argument
[22:37.360 -> 22:39.880] with Lance Stroll two years ago where he would literally crash
[22:39.880 -> 22:43.480] into everybody, that dive bombed him. So in the future of Max,
[22:43.480 -> 22:46.960] even if he stays behind Leclerc after turn one, two, and if it's any
[22:46.960 -> 22:49.760] other driver on the grid that does this, if you're smart
[22:49.760 -> 22:52.880] enough to avoid the contact, do the stewards go, oh, we'll let
[22:52.880 -> 22:55.760] that go? Or do the stewards go, hey, that's a warning, that
[22:55.760 -> 22:58.280] would have been an accident had the driver you're trying to
[22:58.280 -> 23:00.960] overtake not been smart enough to turn out of it. So it's an
[23:00.960 -> 23:04.320] interesting discussion. And it's one that has, you know, I think
[23:04.320 -> 23:08.800] the best example I can give is like I said, Abu D, WWE 2021, where if you're Lewis Hamilton in that situation,
[23:08.800 -> 23:13.840] going for a championship, you can't have an accident. Yet this guy's like trying to cause
[23:13.840 -> 23:16.000] four or five accidents. What do you do in that situation?
[23:16.640 -> 23:21.920] Yeah, well, I just want to go back to like, you can't penalize someone for causing a collision
[23:22.480 -> 23:25.760] if no collision happens. Yeah, but you can do dangerous driving, Matt.
[23:25.760 -> 23:27.760] Of course you can, you can't...
[23:27.760 -> 23:29.440] Yeah, you can.
[23:29.440 -> 23:35.160] I happily will yield you that point, but in this case, it's the first turn of the race,
[23:35.160 -> 23:41.480] there was no collision, and he got not only a penalty in terms of time, he got penalty
[23:41.480 -> 23:43.800] points on his license, I believe.
[23:43.800 -> 23:44.800] Ah, okay.
[23:44.800 -> 23:45.640] Whatever.
[23:45.640 -> 23:53.400] But my point would be that the advantage you gain from being in front might be greater
[23:53.400 -> 23:55.080] than the five-second penalty.
[23:55.080 -> 24:00.800] So I think Leclerc complained about this, and I think he really does have a point, especially
[24:00.800 -> 24:06.880] in the beginning of the race, about how these incidents should be correctly penalized,
[24:07.520 -> 24:08.760] intentional or not.
[24:08.760 -> 24:09.760] Last one, Scott.
[24:10.720 -> 24:13.640] Yeah, I think the penalty was dished out too late.
[24:13.640 -> 24:16.920] There was ample opportunity within that safety car period
[24:16.920 -> 24:19.160] for them to switch positions.
[24:19.160 -> 24:22.400] Yes, we ended up finding out that the cars could follow
[24:22.400 -> 24:24.560] a lot easier at this track,
[24:24.560 -> 24:25.180] but the drivers weren't particularly to easier at this track, but the
[24:25.180 -> 24:29.000] drivers weren't particularly to know that that early on in the race.
[24:29.000 -> 24:34.840] And the Clare's race could have been affected by being behind Verstappen for those X amount
[24:34.840 -> 24:40.340] of laps he was, and take more tyre life out than he would have had if he was running in
[24:40.340 -> 24:41.340] clean air.
[24:41.340 -> 24:45.680] So I think they came to the right decision to penalise. It could
[24:45.680 -> 24:52.520] have been issued a lot quicker and the positions reversed. But yeah, it's nice to just see
[24:52.520 -> 25:00.960] it penalised at the end of the day and hopefully we don't see moves like this in the future.
[25:00.960 -> 25:06.640] Which brings us to the second six that the Las Vegas Grand Prix rolled.
[25:06.640 -> 25:12.040] So, obviously, I want to acknowledge that it was a good, fun race.
[25:12.040 -> 25:17.000] And, you know, before the race, a lot of people were predicting that it would be dull.
[25:17.000 -> 25:19.720] And I don't begrudge anyone for having that opinion.
[25:19.720 -> 25:24.120] I think if you hear, oh, another street track in the US,
[25:24.120 -> 25:26.620] and you have Miami as your previous
[25:26.620 -> 25:31.020] example that's not really delivered over two races, and then the other street tracks on
[25:31.020 -> 25:36.900] the calendar are notorious for not delivering good races, Singapore, Baku, Monaco, I think
[25:36.900 -> 25:41.940] it was perfectly reasonable to go, another US street track, this won't deliver.
[25:41.940 -> 25:45.920] And I do, as much as I enjoyed the race and I'm happy to go good,
[25:45.920 -> 25:52.000] I'm glad F1 in the US had an absolute, you know, blinder of a race. I do feel they rolled three
[25:52.000 -> 25:57.200] sixes in a row. So the first one was that qualifying session where everything, you know,
[25:57.200 -> 26:01.440] ended up out of order. So you had three quick cars up at the top, but then you lost Carlos Sainz
[26:01.440 -> 26:05.560] down to the bottom. You had a bad qualifying from, say,
[26:05.560 -> 26:08.920] Alonso and Hamilton, and then you had a lot of cars out of position.
[26:08.920 -> 26:12.960] So the beginning part of the race was a lot of cars unshuffling.
[26:12.960 -> 26:16.640] There wasn't really an awful lot of racing for position.
[26:16.640 -> 26:22.280] It was, if you take, say, the Williams being at the front as a very temporary situation,
[26:22.280 -> 26:25.040] Gasly being at the front as a temporary situation,
[26:25.040 -> 26:30.280] a lot of the unshuffling was fun to watch, but it was just that, not ultimately fighting
[26:30.280 -> 26:31.280] for position.
[26:31.280 -> 26:37.920] The second six that they rolled was the safety car caused by Lando Norris. So Lando Norris
[26:37.920 -> 26:43.720] has a spin and I owe Lance Stroll an apology because instantly, I don't know, I just saw
[26:43.720 -> 26:47.720] a flash of green in the background as Norris went off, and I was like, ah, Stroll, an apology, because instantly, I don't know, I just saw a flash of green in the background as Norris went off.
[26:47.720 -> 26:49.720] Ah, Stroll's done it again.
[26:49.720 -> 26:53.360] But yeah, Lando Norris just lost it on his own.
[26:53.360 -> 26:58.320] And it's a, and like you say, you know, he was just on the edge of adhesion and the rear
[26:58.320 -> 27:01.280] just seemed to go on him and he couldn't collect it up.
[27:01.280 -> 27:02.280] And he went out.
[27:02.280 -> 27:05.600] It's a challenging conditions to drive in and he didn't quite
[27:05.600 -> 27:11.320] manage to hold it. But that gave Las Vegas a big lifeline because not only did it bring
[27:11.320 -> 27:15.760] the cars back close together again, I know it's only near the start, but what it also
[27:15.760 -> 27:20.720] did was it forced several drivers to come in and get repairs and put them out of sync.
[27:20.720 -> 27:25.520] So what do you need for a F1 Grand Prix to be good and have lots of passing? Well,
[27:25.520 -> 27:30.640] you need faster cars behind slower cars, and we got that from the qualifying. You need cars on
[27:30.640 -> 27:35.440] different tyres, well we got that from the second safety car and some people then, you know, going
[27:35.440 -> 27:40.800] onto the hard and getting an early stop in. And you need people on different tyre, tyre
[27:41.680 -> 27:46.880] lifes, which happened for the second safety car, the third roll of the dice.
[27:46.880 -> 27:52.560] But with this one, Matt, it completely changed the way that the strategy was looking.
[27:52.560 -> 27:56.800] So really had everyone on mediums, you had Hamilton and a couple of others on the hards,
[27:56.800 -> 28:00.000] but it was looking for looking like a basic one stop.
[28:00.000 -> 28:05.040] But the Norris incident combined with some cars going off early and getting damaged,
[28:05.040 -> 28:08.000] it threw everything on its head. And it was actually quite hard initially to go,
[28:08.560 -> 28:10.880] what is the real true order of this race?
[28:11.440 -> 28:18.640] Well, it was... So let me approach it from this direction. The first safety car,
[28:18.640 -> 28:28.400] the Norris safety car, saved Lance Stroll's race, saved Carlos Sainz race, and it made Perez's race a lot,
[28:28.400 -> 28:34.080] lot better because it did bunch up the cars. So Perez and Alonso and Botas, all of whom were
[28:34.080 -> 28:40.240] involved in that first turn, first lap incident, had already pitted and were back out. But this
[28:40.240 -> 28:50.720] brought them back to the pack. Otherwise, it would have been a much more miserable kind of day for them. But for Stroll, who started on the hards, and for Signs, who had that
[28:50.720 -> 28:55.520] spin and was at the back, it essentially gave them a free pit stop. So from that, from lap
[28:55.520 -> 29:01.880] three, basically Stroll and Signs both ran a hard, hard stint, and they stopped again
[29:01.880 -> 29:05.600] at the second safety car. So it really wound up. I mean,
[29:05.600 -> 29:11.840] yeah, I want to go gambling with them after this race because they absolutely completely
[29:11.840 -> 29:20.000] lucked out. But it did have the other impact of keeping the race racing close throughout the pack
[29:20.000 -> 29:27.560] so that these faster cars were able to start unshuffling themselves and set up the sort
[29:27.560 -> 29:30.240] of brilliant second half of the race.
[29:30.240 -> 29:35.360] And the best part about it was, as much as that second safety car helped a lot of drivers
[29:35.360 -> 29:38.440] out there, I don't think it helped Charles Leclerc at all.
[29:38.440 -> 29:42.760] If anything, I think it might have cost him the race, because he had a significant advantage
[29:42.760 -> 29:45.840] going into that second safety car, helped by the fact that Max
[29:45.840 -> 29:49.120] Verstappen had the five second penalty, which I know we talked
[29:49.120 -> 29:51.360] about it earlier, but I actually think kind of hurt Max because
[29:51.360 -> 29:54.320] then he had to take it during a live pit stop, and was stuck
[29:54.320 -> 29:56.880] behind traffic to ended up falling behind Russell who
[29:57.240 -> 30:01.360] Verstappen was essentially third in the race at that point. And
[30:01.360 -> 30:04.240] so I think Leclerc at one point was 10 seconds ahead. Was he not
[30:04.240 -> 30:07.520] at the second safety car? I might have been getting that wrong. He was at least five seconds ahead
[30:07.520 -> 30:10.320] or so. And that could have been the difference at the chequered flag.
[30:10.320 -> 30:14.960] Yeah. So that second safety car, actually, let's get that one out of the way. So Lance
[30:14.960 -> 30:20.280] Stroll, sorry, Lance Stroll, Lando Norris caused the first safety car. It wasn't Lance
[30:20.280 -> 30:25.280] Stroll. Lance Stroll had quite a good day. And the second one was the debris, wasn't it, from the contact
[30:25.280 -> 30:31.840] between Russell and Verstappen, which Verstappen ends up benefiting from. But we do have to ask
[30:31.840 -> 30:42.640] a question. Whose fault is it? So George Russell ends up being penalised for that. So is there
[30:42.640 -> 30:45.200] anyone who thinks that that was not the correct decision
[30:45.200 -> 30:50.840] and thinks that Verstappen was was more to blame? Oh Matt, okay. I think you're on
[30:50.840 -> 30:55.840] your own Matt, but make the case. I was joking earlier, I'm gonna I'm gonna give
[30:55.840 -> 31:00.880] this the old college try and if I wanted to blame, if I wanted to try and lay
[31:00.880 -> 31:10.720] any blame on Max it would be the following. Why on earth were you making that late of a move when you had two kilometers of
[31:10.720 -> 31:13.840] straightaway and DRS to get it done afterwards?
[31:13.880 -> 31:15.680] On a notoriously draggy car.
[31:16.480 -> 31:22.880] Russell clearly had no idea that move was coming by the way he drove, or I don't
[31:22.880 -> 31:27.840] know, maybe, maybe he did and just missed.
[31:27.840 -> 31:30.060] You know, if you come for the king, you better not miss.
[31:30.060 -> 31:32.320] Maybe he just missed a little bit.
[31:32.320 -> 31:34.400] But yeah, it's undeniable.
[31:34.400 -> 31:39.020] If you want to talk about what really cost Leclerc the win, it would be George Russell
[31:39.020 -> 31:41.680] hitting Max Verstappen and bringing out that safety car.
[31:41.680 -> 31:45.680] Yeah, I think it's hard to actually lay any blame on Max Verstappen in reality,
[31:45.680 -> 31:49.760] because the move was on and he could get more than alongside.
[31:49.760 -> 31:52.320] So he's more than entitled to room at the apex,
[31:52.320 -> 31:53.680] and Russell just didn't give it to him.
[31:54.240 -> 31:57.440] And he actually made the apex, not like turn one, lap one,
[31:57.440 -> 31:58.960] where he forced Leclerc off the track.
[31:58.960 -> 32:01.360] It was a great move from Verstappen at that point.
[32:01.920 -> 32:04.320] Can I just also, and I don't mean to put George Russell down,
[32:04.320 -> 32:06.000] because I think he's a terrific driver
[32:06.000 -> 32:08.360] and I'm not trying to turn this into a political statement,
[32:08.360 -> 32:10.680] but how are you a Formula One driver in 2023
[32:10.680 -> 32:13.800] and you don't see when someone makes a move on you
[32:13.800 -> 32:16.720] at any corner, at any track, on the calendar?
[32:16.720 -> 32:17.880] Wow, stuffy.
[32:17.880 -> 32:19.000] Yeah, no, I agree.
[32:20.440 -> 32:25.000] It's almost as if he didn't expect Max to make a move there
[32:25.000 -> 32:28.500] and he just turned into the apex as if Max wasn't going to be there.
[32:28.500 -> 32:31.800] But Max, I get it's a very fast left-hander,
[32:31.800 -> 32:34.900] but Max clearly showed his intention early enough
[32:34.900 -> 32:36.800] and it was a great overtake from Max.
[32:36.800 -> 32:38.800] Like it looked amazing on TV
[32:39.500 -> 32:41.700] because he just had so much grip on the inside there
[32:41.700 -> 32:43.600] to get alongside George.
[32:43.600 -> 32:48.800] But I mean, if I'm, I'll try and defend George in some sense, I
[32:48.800 -> 32:52.080] think we've seen a lot of incidents like this this year,
[32:52.400 -> 32:55.040] where drivers have kind of turned in and I think these
[32:55.040 -> 32:58.040] cars with the bigger wheels, even though they've, because
[32:58.040 -> 33:00.600] they're a lot wider, and because they're even though they've
[33:00.600 -> 33:04.600] tried to increase the size of the wing mirrors, the visibility
[33:04.600 -> 33:05.920] in these cars is
[33:05.920 -> 33:11.120] nowhere near as what they like what they used to be. And I think we've seen a lot more of these
[33:11.120 -> 33:16.560] types of incidents this year because of how wide the cars are and the lack of visibility that they
[33:16.560 -> 33:24.160] have. So in that sense, that's one defense of George. But on the other, I mean, you surely
[33:24.160 -> 33:25.120] should have known and at
[33:25.120 -> 33:28.800] least heard another F1 car alongside you at that point.
[33:28.800 -> 33:31.040] Like, it wasn't like Max had sent it.
[33:31.040 -> 33:34.760] He was alongside for quite a period of the braking into that corner.
[33:34.760 -> 33:40.400] So I actually just got a slightly different read on that, which is, I think Russell eventually
[33:40.400 -> 33:42.760] and in time knew that there was a move occurring.
[33:42.760 -> 33:45.360] So he might not have been expecting it in the first place,
[33:45.360 -> 33:47.360] but I think he knew that the move was occurring
[33:47.360 -> 33:49.640] and he just tried to hold it around the outside.
[33:49.640 -> 33:52.640] Now, as we saw with like Piastri and Hamilton,
[33:52.640 -> 33:56.360] it's very hard to defend that
[33:56.360 -> 33:57.800] the further the corner goes on.
[33:57.800 -> 33:59.400] So the wider you go
[33:59.400 -> 34:01.340] and the more room you leave on the inside,
[34:01.340 -> 34:03.760] you very quickly, like on a Skellectric track,
[34:03.760 -> 34:09.360] because you're having to cover more distance, you get left behind very quickly. So I thought he thought he could get
[34:09.360 -> 34:14.400] it tight enough, leave just enough room that he could get a good launch down the straight.
[34:14.400 -> 34:16.000] And he just he just got it wrong.
[34:16.000 -> 34:18.800] Can we do Piastri Hamilton as a whose fault is it?
[34:18.800 -> 34:21.520] We may as well, since we're here.
[34:21.520 -> 34:24.000] Whose fault is it?
[34:22.000 -> 34:24.000] You know as well, since we're here. Whose fault is it?
[34:24.000 -> 34:28.000] Okay, so yeah, definitely George Russell.
[34:28.000 -> 34:30.000] The only thing with that was, with the George Russell one,
[34:30.000 -> 34:32.000] was that on the first time of watching,
[34:32.000 -> 34:34.000] it really did look like Verstappen had just gone,
[34:34.000 -> 34:38.000] Elevens is in, and just gone and punted up the inside of Russell.
[34:38.000 -> 34:41.000] So we're all there going, rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble,
[34:41.000 -> 34:43.000] especially as, you know, whatever.
[34:43.000 -> 34:45.080] Sometimes we're accused of being Mercedes fans.
[34:45.280 -> 34:47.360] I can't believe it. Always so insulted.
[34:47.560 -> 34:50.480] But on the replay, it's clear that Russell turns in.
[34:50.680 -> 34:54.480] I think I think the only Mercedes fan here is Scott because he's got...
[34:54.480 -> 34:58.920] I can't see whose helmet he's got in the background there, but it ain't a Mercedes.
[34:58.920 -> 35:00.760] Oh, wait, it is. It is a Mercedes driver.
[35:00.960 -> 35:04.240] Anyway, I honestly think racing incidents are a good call.
[35:04.240 -> 35:08.880] I watched the onboard of Hamilton and Piastri and they each could have done something a little bit better in that
[35:08.880 -> 35:13.280] situation. Oh, okay. Are we still talking about that incident? Yeah, no, no. So Hamilton, Piastri,
[35:13.280 -> 35:18.320] okay. So you're calling racing incident, which is disgusting because the whole point of this game is
[35:18.320 -> 35:26.760] that we assigned blame. So you failed. Well, I was going to say, we can discuss that. We can say Alonso turn one lap one, Alonso's fault.
[35:26.760 -> 35:27.760] That's confirmed.
[35:27.760 -> 35:28.760] We won't go into that.
[35:28.760 -> 35:31.040] But back to this one.
[35:31.040 -> 35:35.440] Yeah, I did watch the onboard and I honestly, I actually can't pick who should, I think
[35:35.440 -> 35:39.760] if I'm going to lay blame on anyone and I'm going to have to go, I can't go 50-50, I'll
[35:39.760 -> 35:43.680] give 60% to Piastri to back out of that a little bit more.
[35:43.680 -> 35:45.200] But it was a racing incident and I think Piastri could have definitely just backed that a little bit more. But it was a racing incident.
[35:45.200 -> 35:47.320] And I think Piastri could have definitely just backed that up.
[35:47.320 -> 35:49.480] OK, Scott, it wasn't a racing incident.
[35:49.480 -> 35:50.920] Jono's talking garbage.
[35:50.920 -> 35:54.560] So surely Piastri just has to give that one up.
[35:55.280 -> 35:59.680] I actually can't pinpoint exactly when this incident was, to be honest with you.
[35:59.680 -> 36:02.880] I didn't even realize Piastri and Hamilton came together and made contact.
[36:02.880 -> 36:03.400] Oh, really?
[36:03.400 -> 36:05.920] I won't lie to you, I'm the wrong
[36:05.920 -> 36:10.400] person to come to. When was this, lap one was it? No, no, this was later on. No, I'm talking about
[36:10.400 -> 36:16.400] like lap 20. 16. It was lap 16. Oh no, I was clearly focusing on something else. Well, okay.
[36:17.040 -> 36:26.880] Well, Matt, to me, Matt, I thought that was, you know, clear. By these racing rules, Hamilton is ahead, he is entitled to that exit,
[36:26.880 -> 36:32.240] and Piastri's, you know, only kind of nibbled him on the rear wheel. I just think you've,
[36:32.960 -> 36:35.680] under these rules, you've just got to give it up at that point.
[36:35.680 -> 36:44.400] Well, I mean, more to the point, why are you fighting that hard? A car that is faster than you,
[36:42.520 -> 36:48.260] Why are you fighting that hard? A car that is faster than you, you know, the move is already 90% done.
[36:48.260 -> 36:52.200] Like I like I look if you're in the last two or three laps, I would understand it a bit
[36:52.200 -> 36:53.200] more.
[36:53.200 -> 36:59.220] But but really what I want to talk about here just briefly is the impact that had on Hamilton's
[36:59.220 -> 37:02.180] race because Piastri pitted straight away.
[37:02.180 -> 37:07.660] It actually destroyed both of their races because Piastri pitted straight away. It actually destroyed both of their races, because Piastri pitted, and it was too soon
[37:07.660 -> 37:10.300] to go to a medium tire, so he had to put on the hard.
[37:10.300 -> 37:11.360] So he still had it.
[37:11.360 -> 37:14.680] Now he was committed to a two-stop strategy.
[37:14.680 -> 37:19.460] And for Lewis, that timing of that pit stop meant the same thing.
[37:19.460 -> 37:23.640] He was completely out of sync when the safety car came out later.
[37:23.640 -> 37:27.240] He was on for potentially a podium till that happened.
[37:27.240 -> 37:28.240] Yep.
[37:28.240 -> 37:31.160] Jono, were you trying to get in there?
[37:31.160 -> 37:32.160] Yeah, yeah.
[37:32.160 -> 37:35.320] First off, was the Mercedes faster than the McLaren?
[37:35.320 -> 37:36.320] Yeah.
[37:36.320 -> 37:39.000] I'd say by a little bit, but it wasn't obvious at that point.
[37:39.000 -> 37:40.000] They had traveled together.
[37:40.000 -> 37:42.680] Remember, the McLarens had a poor qualifying performance.
[37:42.680 -> 37:46.000] Lewis was impeded on that one by the whole, I don't know
[37:46.000 -> 37:48.920] what in the world, science were doing. Yeah, over there,
[37:48.920 -> 37:52.040] obviously no grip or something, but they were traveling together.
[37:52.040 -> 37:54.200] And at that point, we couldn't determine who was quicker because
[37:54.200 -> 37:57.340] they'd finally both of them made their way through the field, made
[37:57.340 -> 37:59.840] their way through the Hasses and the Williams who were qualifying
[37:59.840 -> 38:02.560] cars this weekend, which is I still don't understand in modern
[38:02.560 -> 38:06.680] form of the one why you set up a car that way. I don't think they deliberately did. Maybe I'll give him that
[38:06.680 -> 38:15.600] leeway. But anyway, Lewis would have finished P4 for sure. Russell P4 or P5 as well, had
[38:15.600 -> 38:19.920] he not had his penalty for the incident with Max. So you're looking at a Mercedes fourth
[38:19.920 -> 38:23.280] and fifth there that it cost. I think the podium, you're right, Matt, it was in contention.
[38:23.280 -> 38:26.560] I don't think they would have got there considering it was two Red Bulls and a Ferrari
[38:26.560 -> 38:27.840] who were way too quick.
[38:27.840 -> 38:28.680] But fourth and fifth,
[38:28.680 -> 38:31.000] and you're fighting for Ferrari and the Constructors.
[38:31.000 -> 38:32.560] Wow, you missed out on some big points,
[38:32.560 -> 38:33.400] those two Mercedes.
[38:33.400 -> 38:34.280] They finished seventh and eighth.
[38:34.280 -> 38:36.080] We'll have a little bit of a deeper look.
[38:36.080 -> 38:38.000] I didn't mean to tangent to Mercedes.
[38:38.000 -> 38:39.840] I had a plan and I want to stick to it.
[38:39.840 -> 38:42.760] I want to go to that battle for the top three.
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[42:10.560 -> 42:21.040] support. Okay, so I didn't actually plan for it to take this long to get to the to the battle up at
[42:21.040 -> 42:25.360] the front, but I'm glad we're here because this was genuinely a cool fight.
[42:25.360 -> 42:30.040] So what I want to do is I want to end up talking about Leclerc versus Perez.
[42:30.480 -> 42:35.320] But Verstappen won the race and Verstappen kind of once he got to grips
[42:35.320 -> 42:40.800] with what was going on, made fairly short work of Perez and then Leclerc.
[42:40.880 -> 42:44.920] So, Staffy, was this like a genuinely great drive from Max Verstappen?
[42:44.880 -> 42:46.000] Leclerc. So, Stuffy, was this like a genuinely great drive from Max Verstappen?
[42:52.960 -> 43:02.000] It was, but he was a massive beneficiary of the safety car. At the point of the safety car coming out, Leclerc had five lap older, sorry, five lap younger tyres than Verstappen. After the safety
[43:02.000 -> 43:07.900] car, due to Max having a fresher set of hearts available that was flipped on its head, rolls reversed.
[43:08.400 -> 43:10.280] Now Leclerc has got five lap older hearts.
[43:10.760 -> 43:14.740] And well, if you look at the gap at the end of the race, even after having to
[43:14.740 -> 43:19.680] defend from Perez on the safety car restart and having to read, overtake
[43:19.680 -> 43:23.480] Perez on the last lap, the class, they only finished two seconds behind the
[43:23.480 -> 43:23.920] Stappen.
[43:23.920 -> 43:24.720] So if it wasn't.
[43:31.560 -> 43:38.180] Yeah. So if it wasn't for that safety car, Leclerc probably had this in the bag because for once the Ferrari actually looked pretty good on its tyre life, or its tyre management, and he didn't really
[43:38.180 -> 43:43.760] drop too much off of Verstappen's pace. I would go as far to say as I think the Ferrari
[43:43.760 -> 43:46.000] was the fastest car this weekend
[43:46.000 -> 43:51.680] and it's really really unfortunate that Sainz obviously got his penalty on Friday and it's a
[43:51.680 -> 43:59.120] shame he didn't really have that support that he needed in a situation like this. Yeah I mean for
[43:59.120 -> 44:05.520] Sainz it was the spin that really did him in and he, he saved a lot of his race with that second safety
[44:05.520 -> 44:11.600] car. But you are so correct about the tires here, because Ferrari also had two sets of
[44:11.600 -> 44:17.360] hards going into the race. I mean, Leclerc could have stopped, but he pitted on lap 21.
[44:17.360 -> 44:23.840] The safety car came in lap 26, but the person who really benefited. So, so I agree with you.
[44:23.840 -> 44:25.340] Leclerc had this race one.
[44:25.340 -> 44:27.620] They were faster on the medium tire.
[44:27.620 -> 44:29.060] Safety car shut down his margin.
[44:29.060 -> 44:31.900] They were fast enough on the hard tire.
[44:31.900 -> 44:39.220] Safety car shut down his margin and gave Verstappen at the end of the race a five lap offset,
[44:39.220 -> 44:41.800] fresher tires to attack him with.
[44:41.800 -> 44:45.560] And what I did notice about these tires is in the second set, once
[44:45.560 -> 44:51.880] they got about lap 24, all the drivers started to complain about the tires graining, meaning
[44:51.880 -> 44:57.720] that they were beginning to have some issues with the temperatures and the tires were losing
[44:57.720 -> 45:03.200] grip for a few laps and then they would come back in. Max's tires stayed just the other
[45:03.200 -> 45:06.720] side of that line because he stopped in the safety car and
[45:06.720 -> 45:12.160] then all the time loss gets erased before the restart. He was actually a second closer to Le
[45:12.160 -> 45:18.240] Clerc on the restart than he was when the safety car came out and he had five lap fresher tires
[45:18.240 -> 45:24.640] to boot. So yeah, this was this was really what you would call in Vegas a bad beat for Le Clerc.
[45:23.760 -> 45:24.800] This was, this was really what you would call in Vegas, a bad beat for Leclerc.
[45:25.320 -> 45:28.800] That's just to add to that point there with having signs, the
[45:28.800 -> 45:31.960] real killer here, but as you mentioned, Matt, Leclerc did
[45:31.960 -> 45:33.480] have a second set of hard tires.
[45:33.960 -> 45:37.720] The reason he didn't go onto those is he's already pitted
[45:37.840 -> 45:43.000] onto relatively fresh new tires anyway, but Perez Perez, if he
[45:43.000 -> 45:45.920] pits Leclerc, he's coming out behind Perez
[45:45.920 -> 45:49.920] who maintains first position. Then he's in a red bull sandwich
[45:50.120 -> 45:53.520] of Perez in front Verstappen behind, he's given up position
[45:53.520 -> 45:56.580] and he's got Verstappen who wants to attack him, who's also
[45:56.580 -> 46:00.200] going to be on fresh tires, which is why if Sainz was up
[46:00.200 -> 46:03.600] there, you have that support, you have that rear gunner.
[46:03.600 -> 46:06.360] That's not to say Sainz would be the rear gunner because they
[46:06.360 -> 46:09.920] seem pretty much on similar pace over the weekend. But Perez
[46:09.920 -> 46:13.440] there, almost goal, not, he wasn't goal hanging, but being
[46:13.440 -> 46:18.540] the biggest beneficiary out front, pitting potentially out
[46:18.540 -> 46:21.520] of the lead, well, could have pitted into the lead if Leclerc
[46:21.520 -> 46:24.320] pitted and Ferrari kind of had no choice but to leave him out
[46:24.320 -> 46:29.360] front and maintain track position and control that restart. And can we also credit Ferrari for
[46:29.360 -> 46:34.800] once for actually nailing the strategy and and they didn't get rewarded for it you know they
[46:34.800 -> 46:40.400] did all the right things today and it's like Stuffy said they pitted on lap 21 safety car comes
[46:40.400 -> 46:45.040] out I think what lap 24, 25, 26. So all the other pit stops for everybody else were
[46:45.040 -> 46:50.080] five laps later. You just don't pit, you just can't. And in that situation, you've done,
[46:50.080 -> 46:53.600] they did all the right things. They extended the first stint. They were one of, you know,
[46:53.600 -> 46:58.240] arguably the quickest car today. They were in prime position to win this race. I actually can't
[46:58.240 -> 47:02.160] believe now, the more I think about it, the more we talk about it, how Leclerc is not a winner of
[47:02.160 -> 47:11.440] this Grand Prix. Or we could also say Verstappen hustled his way to the front, was smart enough not to give
[47:11.440 -> 47:19.600] the place back, which kind of worked out for him in the end, had to deal with Leclerc overtaking
[47:19.600 -> 47:23.920] him, you know, so he was not disappearing off, he didn't have the pace to disappear off,
[47:23.920 -> 47:24.800] you know, so he was not disappearing off, he didn't have the pace to disappear off,
[47:31.360 -> 47:36.960] went wheel to wheel, fought hard against the likes of Russell, did the overtakes he needed to do, and even with a five second penalty, still managed to win. Yeah, a little bit of luck on the safety
[47:36.960 -> 47:41.360] car, but we always say that he's disappearing into the distance and hasn't had a challenge
[47:41.360 -> 47:46.000] this season, which is fair, but when he has had a challenge today,
[47:46.000 -> 47:48.320] he's genuinely overcome it.
[47:48.320 -> 47:50.720] Like he really did win this race.
[47:50.720 -> 47:51.720] I'm getting black stares.
[47:51.720 -> 47:52.720] He did.
[47:52.720 -> 47:56.360] No, no, no, you're right, you're right Spanis, he did, but look, he's in a situation where
[47:56.360 -> 47:57.360] it's like...
[47:57.360 -> 48:01.000] Yeah, you're trying to make it out to be like a default, like he won by default, which I
[48:01.000 -> 48:02.680] don't think is close to fair.
[48:02.680 -> 48:03.680] No, no, no.
[48:03.680 -> 48:05.800] And I think you raise a good point. Let's give you that.
[48:05.800 -> 48:09.480] And the fact that he did earn this win and it's Sergio Perez, he doesn't.
[48:09.480 -> 48:13.240] Sergio Perez got overtaken on the last lap, you know, let alone win the race
[48:13.240 -> 48:16.040] in the best car in F1 history.
[48:16.040 -> 48:17.800] I can't believe I keep saying it this year.
[48:17.800 -> 48:21.440] But I think that's all there is to say on that.
[48:21.440 -> 48:24.120] Max Verstappen, Spanners, well done.
[48:24.160 -> 48:26.040] No, you earned this win, you're right.
[48:26.040 -> 48:29.760] Don't only ever agree with me the time I'm bigging up Max.
[48:29.760 -> 48:31.760] Sorry, Stuffy, you had a small point there.
[48:31.760 -> 48:34.280] Yeah, I mean, just wanted to add to that point.
[48:34.280 -> 48:37.320] Yeah, Max did win, but he was very fortunate,
[48:37.320 -> 48:42.000] I think, from the safety car with that five lap difference
[48:42.000 -> 48:43.320] flipping on its head,
[48:43.320 -> 48:48.080] because Leclerc didn't lose Max entirely. The gap
[48:48.080 -> 48:54.080] kind of stayed consistent and well we had Perez behind him to worry about who had DRS and
[48:54.800 -> 49:01.360] Leclerc without that extra five laps was unable to just kind of close that gap enough to Max.
[49:01.360 -> 49:05.440] So I think if it was roles reversed I think Ferrari definitely had the car underneath him today and especially in Leclerc's hands could have taken it to Max. So I think if it was rolls reversed, I think Ferrari definitely had the car underneath
[49:05.440 -> 49:09.760] him today and especially in the Claire's hands could have taken it to Max because he even closed
[49:09.760 -> 49:14.640] him down at the end of the first stint. And as Jono said, extended that stint. So the Ferrari
[49:14.640 -> 49:19.760] looked very good today on tyres, which you never out mean how often have we said that in the last
[49:19.760 -> 49:26.840] three, four, five years, but yes. And then he made a brilliant move on Sergio Perez at the end
[49:26.840 -> 49:29.360] of the last step, which I'm sure you want us to talk about.
[49:29.360 -> 49:33.480] Yeah, so I'm talking about the stopping first, though. You all keep moving on to the next
[49:33.480 -> 49:34.480] things. Matt?
[49:34.480 -> 49:41.880] Yeah, well, I will, I will agree with everything you said, but I will still stand by my assertion
[49:41.880 -> 49:45.360] that without that second safety car, I don't think Max wins this
[49:45.360 -> 49:51.600] race. I think Leclerc does. And that doesn't take away from the job that Max did in the slightest,
[49:51.600 -> 49:58.400] in my opinion. But it was, he and Perez both were very, very lucky with the timing of that,
[49:58.400 -> 50:06.160] because everybody who extended their stint and didn't stop had a bit more struggles at the end.
[50:06.160 -> 50:11.840] Just one small thing is, for some reason though, in F1 history, Max Verstappen included, hey,
[50:11.840 -> 50:17.920] back to our previous Lewis Hamilton included, drivers who are just great find ways to scrap
[50:17.920 -> 50:20.280] out wins and win races like these.
[50:20.280 -> 50:23.680] Regardless, and Matt's right, he won because of the safety car, yes.
[50:23.680 -> 50:27.920] Leclerc would have won had it not been for the safety car, but he put himself in a position
[50:27.920 -> 50:28.920] to luck out.
[50:28.920 -> 50:30.880] You know, if there was a safety car like that.
[50:30.880 -> 50:32.840] Perez did not put himself in a position to luck out.
[50:32.840 -> 50:34.560] He got overtaken on the final lap.
[50:34.560 -> 50:35.560] Horrific.
[50:35.560 -> 50:39.120] Hamilton didn't put himself in the position to luck out because of qualifying and getting
[50:39.120 -> 50:40.120] tangled up.
[50:40.120 -> 50:44.160] Russell didn't put himself in the position to luck out because he turned in on Verstappen
[50:44.160 -> 50:45.180] and ruined his own race.
[50:45.180 -> 50:46.180] Moving on.
[50:46.180 -> 50:50.720] But I'm saying, there's lots and lots of people who had loads of potential to do better and
[50:50.720 -> 50:51.720] didn't.
[50:51.720 -> 50:57.480] And yeah, Verstappen, with all the luck ridden, didn't really put a wheel wrong apart from
[50:57.480 -> 51:00.680] the foul, which he got punished for.
[51:00.680 -> 51:01.680] We can easily explain this.
[51:01.680 -> 51:06.220] I can sit here and be this controversial Twitter TikToker and just come up with like fake opinions and shit
[51:06.220 -> 51:10.020] But it sorry we can bleed that out Steve. But basically they
[51:10.860 -> 51:13.700] Like we're not you're right, you know at this point you're right
[51:13.700 -> 51:17.500] We need we do need to acknowledge Max Verstappen's dominance in a good car, and I think you did a good job today
[51:17.500 -> 51:22.300] All right. Let's go on to the battle, which I think is slightly more interesting Leclerc versus
[51:23.040 -> 51:28.880] Perez and now this was a genuinely good and balanced fight there as well, Stuffy.
[51:29.360 -> 51:34.360] Yes. And I will just say, I don't think Max Verstappen would not cover
[51:34.360 -> 51:38.760] the inside on the last lap into a very tight chicane at the end of a DRS.
[51:38.760 -> 51:41.480] Go on then, start with that then, because it was such an incredible move
[51:41.480 -> 51:43.640] by Leclerc, I think.
[51:43.640 -> 51:47.120] I mean, I think anyone with a brain,
[51:47.120 -> 51:48.880] it's easy to say when you're in a seat at home
[51:48.880 -> 51:51.560] compared to a seat that's going 200 miles an hour
[51:51.560 -> 51:53.000] down the Vegas strip.
[51:53.000 -> 51:58.000] Stuffy, we talk here as if sim racing is exactly the same
[51:58.840 -> 52:00.920] as being in a Formula One car, and we do not apologize.
[52:00.920 -> 52:04.720] So what you've done is the same as what Leclerc just did.
[52:04.720 -> 52:13.120] Okay, but surely Perez can see that it's last lap. He's got the RS, Leclerc is
[52:13.120 -> 52:16.440] going to go for it. You surely you're going to see is going to go for he's already done
[52:16.440 -> 52:21.460] it once he's already overtaking you in the same way and he had to open up his steering
[52:21.460 -> 52:26.440] going into that. Which how tight that last corner is, turn 15, into
[52:26.440 -> 52:31.360] that very tight chicane, it doesn't even matter if Leclerc gets alongside you or even ahead
[52:31.360 -> 52:37.800] of you into that chicane. You're pretty much going to be on the front foot on the exit
[52:37.800 -> 52:42.020] of that chicane if you just park it on the inside. And then, of course, it's kind of
[52:42.020 -> 52:46.000] anyone's guess with that drag race down to the finish line.
[52:46.000 -> 52:50.000] But I just don't see how Perez didn't see that coming.
[52:50.000 -> 52:57.000] And I think any other driver would have would have covered that off and knowing that it was at least coming his way.
[52:57.000 -> 53:02.000] But it was a great fight nonetheless to see the Declare and Perez go at it for quite some time.
[53:02.000 -> 53:08.200] So, yeah. One thing we don't see very often that we saw there, Matt, is cars passing and then
[53:08.260 -> 53:09.920] having the opportunity to come back.
[53:10.440 -> 53:10.840] Yeah.
[53:10.880 -> 53:12.440] Well, I wanted to get to this.
[53:12.680 -> 53:17.320] One thing that really impressed me about Leclerc today at this track was his, his
[53:17.360 -> 53:20.720] ability on the brakes into those big braking zones.
[53:20.720 -> 53:27.000] Cause to my memory, that was not the only time he used that to get to get round someone when he was
[53:27.000 -> 53:31.880] fighting with them. But I will slightly defend Perez here, in
[53:31.880 -> 53:35.360] that, as you point out, the problem with that chicane,
[53:35.800 -> 53:39.000] slightly defended, the problem with that chicane, is that you
[53:39.000 -> 53:43.760] have a monster, essentially straight after it all the way to
[53:43.760 -> 53:50.960] the finish line, and making LeClerc pass him under braking into a slow zone
[53:51.400 -> 53:57.720] is perhaps more demanding than covering that off and then being
[53:57.720 -> 54:01.440] at a disadvantage on my exit and just a sitting duck down that
[54:01.440 -> 54:04.760] next long straight. I mean, it's not a great choice for either
[54:04.800 -> 54:06.200] of them.
[54:06.200 -> 54:11.680] He could have maybe shaded to the inside more and then popped out to take the racing line,
[54:11.680 -> 54:14.100] which is a move we often see.
[54:14.100 -> 54:19.520] But fully covering off the inside there just would have left him wide open on exit.
[54:19.520 -> 54:23.100] And I think Leclerc had him no matter what at that point.
[54:23.100 -> 54:25.960] I think it brought back shades of interlacos, didn't it?
[54:26.040 -> 54:27.080] A couple of weeks ago.
[54:27.080 -> 54:27.920] I was about to say, yeah.
[54:28.440 -> 54:28.720] Yeah.
[54:28.960 -> 54:31.240] Sergio Perez is basically like, I don't want to go through that again.
[54:31.240 -> 54:33.120] I'm going to take a normal line through here and I'm
[54:33.120 -> 54:34.200] not going to get slipstream.
[54:34.200 -> 54:36.680] And there weren't many moves going into term one.
[54:36.680 -> 54:38.760] The straight's not that long to the chequered flag.
[54:38.760 -> 54:41.920] So if I'm Perez, I think you could have gotten away with it.
[54:41.920 -> 54:43.880] You know, you could have got away with defending the inside.
[54:44.120 -> 54:48.380] The other thing I noticed with that corner too is, what made for great racing was the
[54:48.380 -> 54:53.540] person who took the tighter inside line seemed to always get the better exit.
[54:53.540 -> 54:57.140] And I don't know, I've not done a track walk, obviously I wasn't at Vegas, I don't think
[54:57.140 -> 55:00.100] any of us are rich enough to spend a million dollars on a three day ticket.
[55:00.100 -> 55:02.620] Oh wait, excuse me, two day ticket, because there was no action Friday.
[55:02.620 -> 55:05.680] But you get a free t-shirt if you were there for free.
[55:05.680 -> 55:10.240] Yeah, a free $200 voucher to spend at the merchandise store, which would buy you nothing
[55:10.240 -> 55:13.280] anyway, because the merchandise is overpriced now in F1.
[55:13.280 -> 55:19.040] But the corner and I think the camber and the angles, yeah, I don't know if anybody
[55:19.040 -> 55:21.360] else noticed that, but I certainly seemed to pick it up.
[55:21.360 -> 55:24.720] And that's something I think a lot of drivers realize throughout the race, that, oh, I can
[55:24.720 -> 55:28.640] take the inside line through here. And not be penalised as much. But as a
[55:28.640 -> 55:34.240] Perez fan it's just disappointing to go, right he had that epic battle against Alonso where he spent
[55:34.240 -> 55:39.760] what, 10 laps trying to get past, gets past and then gets retaken at the next opportunity. So
[55:39.760 -> 55:49.240] basically fails to attack for multiple laps, finally pulls it off, fails to defend. And it kind of had this, you know, here, where once Verstappen got past him, he was gone.
[55:49.240 -> 55:54.160] That's not a surprise. The second Verstappen got past Perez, that thing comes up. Okay,
[55:54.160 -> 55:59.720] work as a team, guys. Wait a minute, you could have said that two laps ago. But here again,
[55:59.720 -> 56:06.480] like he manages to put enough pressure on Leclerc to get Leclerc to lock up. So don't forget there was,
[56:07.040 -> 56:11.280] whilst we're praising Leclerc, there was that mistake that probably shows how on the edge he
[56:11.280 -> 56:18.800] was. And then Leclerc is able to ultimately get him back. What's disappointing is in Interlagos,
[56:19.360 -> 56:26.560] you needed the proper racing line to get a run, otherwise you were vulnerable up the hill down to
[56:26.560 -> 56:31.200] turn one. Here, you could basically have parked it on the apex of the left-hander and there's not a
[56:31.200 -> 56:36.240] lot the car behind could have done. So it's just really disappointing stuff. As a Perez fan,
[56:36.240 -> 56:41.200] I've really loved how he just punches above his weight, finds that alternate strategy. But once
[56:41.200 -> 56:44.880] again, when it just comes down to that pure wheel-to-wheel with some of the best in the business,
[56:44.880 -> 56:45.300] it just doesn't look great. No, and it just comes down to that pure wheel to wheel with some of the best in the business, it just
[56:45.300 -> 56:48.400] doesn't look great. No, and it just shows the difference
[56:48.400 -> 56:53.300] between the best and with respect Perez who is slugged it
[56:53.300 -> 56:56.200] out in the midfield for so long and he's given his go against
[56:56.200 -> 57:01.400] Max and he hasn't been able to stay with the greatness that
[57:01.400 -> 57:09.040] Max has been able to achieve in the last few years. And it's just, I feel like maybe there was just some self-preservation behind it.
[57:09.040 -> 57:10.720] He was trying to...
[57:10.720 -> 57:11.720] Podium's good enough.
[57:11.720 -> 57:13.200] Maybe just thinking, podium's good enough.
[57:13.200 -> 57:14.920] He's got P2 in the championship now.
[57:14.920 -> 57:19.520] Red Bull have secured their first ever 1-2 in the Drivers' Championship ever
[57:19.520 -> 57:20.520] from that podium.
[57:20.520 -> 57:25.040] And, like, in the grand scheme of things, he still made up seven
[57:25.040 -> 57:27.240] positions, although there's the
[57:27.240 -> 57:28.680] argument of, once again, that
[57:28.680 -> 57:30.640] low bar of, well, he should be
[57:30.640 -> 57:32.480] higher up in qualifying anyway
[57:32.520 -> 57:34.720] in arguably the most dominant
[57:34.720 -> 57:38.040] car in history. There's probably
[57:38.040 -> 57:38.880] all those thoughts going in his
[57:38.880 -> 57:40.760] mind. Maybe I'll take it back.
[57:40.760 -> 57:41.960] Maybe he did expect Leclerc to
[57:41.960 -> 57:43.000] make that move, but he's
[57:43.000 -> 57:46.800] thinking, I don't want to turn in or I don't want to defend.
[57:46.800 -> 57:50.640] And Leclerc, who is trying to go for that,
[57:51.120 -> 57:54.880] trying to recover that second place, maybe a bit more hotheaded than Perez,
[57:55.200 -> 57:57.560] although Perez has history of being hotheaded himself.
[57:58.040 -> 57:58.520] I don't know.
[57:58.520 -> 58:01.320] I just it's maybe a self-preservation.
[58:01.600 -> 58:04.160] All right, let's move on to the midfield, which sadly includes,
[58:04.160 -> 58:11.920] well, sadly, if you're a Mercedes fan, includes Mercedes. I keep trying, I keep trying to be,
[58:12.720 -> 58:18.080] trying to be the neutral that the YouTube comments want me to be. Can't, can't help it. Okay, a little
[58:18.080 -> 58:22.800] bit quicker on these ones, because I think it is interesting to cover Mercedes and what was going
[58:22.800 -> 58:27.280] on at Alpine. So really, really disappointing day for Mercedes.
[58:27.280 -> 58:28.840] And I'm actually starting to worry
[58:28.840 -> 58:32.240] because there was a car underneath them this weekend.
[58:32.240 -> 58:36.000] I think they could potentially, you said fourth and fifth.
[58:36.000 -> 58:39.000] I honestly think if Hamilton hadn't have had that tussle
[58:39.000 -> 58:42.560] with Piastri, he was up there in that top three
[58:42.560 -> 58:44.680] fighting Matt, and then Russell would have been
[58:44.680 -> 58:45.840] there or thereabouts as well.
[58:45.840 -> 58:47.440] And Russell was there or thereabouts,
[58:47.440 -> 58:49.960] and kind of threw it away with the penalty
[58:49.960 -> 58:52.200] he had to serve from Verstappen.
[58:52.200 -> 58:54.040] Yeah, well, let's talk about that,
[58:54.040 -> 58:56.240] because when he got the puncture,
[58:56.240 -> 58:59.400] he was on the hard tire, like Perez,
[58:59.400 -> 59:02.080] and he was ahead of Perez,
[59:02.080 -> 59:06.480] unlike Perez, who was where Perez was.
[59:06.480 -> 59:14.040] And without that puncture, he would have benefited from the same safety car caused by his teammate
[59:14.040 -> 59:15.560] in the same way that Perez did.
[59:15.560 -> 59:17.760] So yes, he would have been at the front.
[59:17.760 -> 59:25.640] He would have been second or third, with 26 laps to go, and fighting with Leclerc and Verstappen
[59:25.740 -> 59:28.940] and Perez for those podium positions.
[59:29.040 -> 59:32.080] And he had genuine race pace.
[59:32.580 -> 59:36.180] And he had the second set of hard tires
[59:36.280 -> 59:37.780] to go onto as well.
[59:37.880 -> 59:40.820] So, there's absolutely nothing in it
[59:40.920 -> 59:44.060] if he hadn't had that incident with Piastri
[59:44.160 -> 59:45.240] in terms of his
[59:45.240 -> 59:50.680] race and he made some amazing overtakes before that around the outside places you really
[59:50.680 -> 59:51.960] didn't expect.
[59:51.960 -> 59:53.960] He was having a really good race.
[59:53.960 -> 59:59.400] So Mia's saying there was a great overtake on Gasly near the end, which I think I missed.
[59:59.400 -> 01:00:10.360] So I'm not denying at all that he had some great overtakes and was looking really racy. And I think he went for a lower downforce setting than Russell.
[01:00:10.360 -> 01:00:11.360] It could be.
[01:00:11.360 -> 01:00:15.720] I know that he talked about not being happy with the moves he made with his setup towards
[01:00:15.720 -> 01:00:18.760] qualifying, which is why you saw him finish where they did.
[01:00:18.760 -> 01:00:24.400] But Mercedes is also a team that has always struggled to switch their tires on in qualifying.
[01:00:24.400 -> 01:00:26.920] So not entirely surprised by that either.
[01:00:26.920 -> 01:00:31.360] So I think they might have gone a step down and then struggled even more, which ended
[01:00:31.360 -> 01:00:36.440] up just binning him out of Q3, but actually might have helped him out a little bit in
[01:00:36.440 -> 01:00:37.440] the race.
[01:00:37.440 -> 01:00:41.120] So I'm not denying at all that he was looking punchy, looking racy, overtaking, and that's
[01:00:41.120 -> 01:00:44.800] good if you're a Lewis Hamilton fan and you're thinking about a championship fight somewhere
[01:00:44.800 -> 01:00:49.560] along the lines. But he has been involved in a lot of incidents
[01:00:49.560 -> 01:00:53.040] in the back half, and I don't know whether there's an end of school feeling where it
[01:00:53.040 -> 01:00:56.520] kind of doesn't matter because they're not fighting for the championship, but he's tangled
[01:00:56.520 -> 01:01:01.840] with his own teammate turning in, you know. He's had a couple of little incidents here
[01:01:01.840 -> 01:01:09.680] and throughout the end of the back half of the season. And it sort of makes me wonder, can he park that? Can he park that, Jono? If there is a title fight,
[01:01:09.680 -> 01:01:16.000] is he able to kind of switch back to less of a risk or more of a risk-reward management?
[01:01:16.000 -> 01:01:19.440] Because at the moment, he's just going for it, which, you know, there's some joy.
[01:01:19.440 -> 01:01:26.240] He hasn't had a lot of experience lately of just having a nice car, but not there being a title on
[01:01:26.240 -> 01:01:27.240] the line.
[01:01:27.240 -> 01:01:30.720] So is he just enjoying himself and being a bit, ah, what will be, will be?
[01:01:30.720 -> 01:01:34.640] Yeah, maybe there's some recency bias with me, but I can't remember him having this many
[01:01:34.640 -> 01:01:35.640] accidents since 2011.
[01:01:35.640 -> 01:01:36.640] Maybe I'm wrong.
[01:01:36.640 -> 01:01:38.320] No, no, you're not wrong.
[01:01:38.320 -> 01:01:43.840] He has gone through a phase of being super, super clean and not really getting into tangles.
[01:01:43.840 -> 01:01:47.120] And you know what, like dating, it's like you're going through a phase.
[01:01:47.120 -> 01:01:48.120] You're right.
[01:01:48.120 -> 01:01:49.920] It's the overtaking, hitting people phase.
[01:01:49.920 -> 01:01:52.440] The same way people have dating phases and go through some stuff like that.
[01:01:52.440 -> 01:01:53.440] Don't name them.
[01:01:53.440 -> 01:01:54.440] Don't name them.
[01:01:54.440 -> 01:01:55.440] Don't go into any more detail.
[01:01:55.440 -> 01:02:00.080] Now, you know what, like he can switch and he's proved it before he can switch.
[01:02:00.080 -> 01:02:03.900] You know, he had a 2011 season that was absolutely tumultuous.
[01:02:03.900 -> 01:02:07.000] And then he came in 2012 and had a car which, you know,
[01:02:07.440 -> 01:02:09.400] not for reliability reasons, could have been up there,
[01:02:09.400 -> 01:02:11.160] potentially winning the world championship.
[01:02:11.160 -> 01:02:13.560] So he's done it in the past. He can switch it back.
[01:02:14.440 -> 01:02:16.560] But I'll go to Stuffy quickly, because I have something
[01:02:16.560 -> 01:02:18.360] really good to say about George Russell in a sec.
[01:02:18.360 -> 01:02:20.960] OK. I totally disagree.
[01:02:20.960 -> 01:02:24.640] I think Lewis is absolutely hating his time in this car at the moment.
[01:02:24.640 -> 01:02:25.020] After the race, he had an agreement with George. I totally disagree. I think Lewis is absolutely hating his time in this car at the moment.
[01:02:25.020 -> 01:02:29.620] After the race, he had an agreement with George. He literally shoved George out of the way
[01:02:29.620 -> 01:02:33.420] and was like, I just want to do this interview first, so I can get out of here. He's hating
[01:02:33.420 -> 01:02:38.380] his time in this car at the moment. And it doesn't help today, but I'm just looking.
[01:02:38.380 -> 01:02:42.420] He had a very bad start, starting on the harder compound tyre, obviously tagged a little bit
[01:02:42.420 -> 01:02:47.200] by signs. He actually lost four positions at the start, whereas some others like
[01:02:47.200 -> 01:02:51.300] Stroll and Ocon made up 10, eight positions due to kind of
[01:02:51.300 -> 01:02:53.040] avoiding those spinning cars.
[01:02:53.560 -> 01:02:57.660] But yeah, I think he can't wait to get into next year where hopefully they
[01:02:57.660 -> 01:03:02.520] have a car that's built from the ground up and not necessarily got parts bolted
[01:03:02.520 -> 01:03:05.120] onto, um, so, and I think that's why we're seeing Lewis,
[01:03:05.760 -> 01:03:10.720] similar to how other drivers are, they just go for it because they don't necessarily care,
[01:03:10.720 -> 01:03:13.120] they're trying to extract pace out of a slower car.
[01:03:13.120 -> 01:03:18.000] Okay, we're getting a little bit short on time here, Matt. So just a quick last one on Hamilton.
[01:03:18.000 -> 01:03:22.880] I will briefly disagree. I think a lot of his troubles are down to starting further back in
[01:03:22.880 -> 01:03:29.120] the field. The farther back you start, the higher your risk. And just like people are concerned about recency bias,
[01:03:29.120 -> 01:03:34.240] I wouldn't read too much into it. He's not lost his ability to drive around a track and not hit
[01:03:34.240 -> 01:03:39.440] things. But also, George Russell is having a lot of these incidents as well. And it was really
[01:03:39.440 -> 01:03:43.760] telling in Brazil when Norris's race engineer said, oh, it's Russell up next. You know what
[01:03:43.760 -> 01:03:45.740] he's like. It's all or nothing.
[01:03:45.740 -> 01:03:48.840] And it kind of, I think, opened a lot of people's eyes to go kind of going,
[01:03:49.040 -> 01:03:51.480] that is actually a fair description.
[01:03:51.480 -> 01:03:53.280] He is kind of all or nothing.
[01:03:53.680 -> 01:03:53.960] Jono.
[01:03:54.520 -> 01:03:58.400] Perfect example was Singapore this year, which Russell said during his interviews.
[01:03:58.400 -> 01:04:01.480] And this is something I was really listening intently to George Russell's
[01:04:01.480 -> 01:04:04.800] interviews this weekend and how he mentioned, Oh, I've only got one podium.
[01:04:04.800 -> 01:04:08.000] Yeah. And he kind of delved into the fact that he said, I've always
[01:04:08.000 -> 01:04:12.880] been on it and performing well when the car's not being good. But yet when the car is good,
[01:04:12.880 -> 01:04:17.200] he's just not been on it or he's made mistakes or some other stuff. Now, and I'm thinking,
[01:04:17.200 -> 01:04:21.880] oh, so what, like Lewis Hamilton, 2022, when you were winning all the races, when the car
[01:04:21.880 -> 01:04:29.440] was good and Hamilton was amazing, but battling for P7 in a car that should have been P12, you know, and that kind of stuff. So I guess it's kind
[01:04:29.440 -> 01:04:34.640] of maybe calm is not the right word. I think that sounds like it's, you know, it's kind of just the
[01:04:34.640 -> 01:04:39.440] roles of reversed this year between the two, you know, this is like literally Russell's going
[01:04:39.440 -> 01:04:43.440] through the season that Lewis went through last year. And it's even probably more extreme version.
[01:04:43.440 -> 01:04:46.640] He's like three races down in the championship on his teammate.
[01:04:46.640 -> 01:04:52.600] But I think it was a good point that Russell brought up, that yeah, I think he's been on
[01:04:52.600 -> 01:04:56.320] it, but I don't think it's been to the lengths of ... I think he's made more mistakes than
[01:04:56.320 -> 01:04:59.280] Lewis did last year, when the roles were reversed.
[01:04:59.280 -> 01:05:06.400] So I think if anyone needs a reset, it's George Russell.
[01:05:06.400 -> 01:05:07.400] Good day for Ocon, Matthew?
[01:05:07.400 -> 01:05:11.480] Yeah, I mean, if you consider finishing fourth in the race, a good day.
[01:05:11.480 -> 01:05:12.480] Yeah, it was a good day.
[01:05:12.480 -> 01:05:13.480] Amazing day.
[01:05:13.480 -> 01:05:14.480] Considering he started 16th.
[01:05:14.480 -> 01:05:15.480] Yeah.
[01:05:15.480 -> 01:05:16.480] Even amazinger.
[01:05:16.480 -> 01:05:19.040] So what were Gasly's issues, Matt?
[01:05:19.040 -> 01:05:20.280] What were those issues with his car?
[01:05:20.280 -> 01:05:23.720] Was it like with the recovery of energy and stuff?
[01:05:23.720 -> 01:05:24.720] It was the battery.
[01:05:24.720 -> 01:05:29.280] Yeah. He had a battery issue, but he was also, I think, struggling a bit more with the tires
[01:05:29.280 -> 01:05:30.240] for whatever reason.
[01:05:31.120 -> 01:05:32.320] Slightly different setup.
[01:05:32.320 -> 01:05:37.680] I know that he said in the past that they found a direction that really works well for him,
[01:05:37.680 -> 01:05:44.400] and it may have been in the race that direction on this track gave him more issues in the later
[01:05:44.400 -> 01:05:45.600] stages of the race.
[01:05:45.600 -> 01:05:49.200] But, um, it's worth it all for them to have played that,
[01:05:49.200 -> 01:05:53.200] okay, we're gonna hold position right as Ocon was passing him.
[01:05:53.200 -> 01:05:55.440] And they were having that battle.
[01:05:55.440 -> 01:05:57.360] We need you to look after the car.
[01:05:57.360 -> 01:05:59.440] Okay, great, I'm gonna pass my teammate right now.
[01:05:59.440 -> 01:06:01.600] S-S-Sorry, can I jump in quickly?
[01:06:01.600 -> 01:06:04.640] I think Ocon said, I only heard the word position
[01:06:04.640 -> 01:06:06.880] because I was making the move or something.
[01:06:06.880 -> 01:06:09.400] And I'm like, we'll take his word for it.
[01:06:11.080 -> 01:06:12.840] But he was a lot faster, Stuffy.
[01:06:12.840 -> 01:06:15.680] Yes, and I think Ocon, after the first corner,
[01:06:15.920 -> 01:06:19.880] pretty much was in the position where he probably should have qualified
[01:06:19.880 -> 01:06:22.480] if he didn't get his lap
[01:06:22.480 -> 01:06:27.480] interrupted by a certain Red Bull driver on the Saturday.
[01:06:27.480 -> 01:06:31.200] But yeah, Gasly must be fuming recently
[01:06:31.200 -> 01:06:33.920] because he's actually been doing pretty well
[01:06:33.920 -> 01:06:38.100] and Ocon has been qualifying below him.
[01:06:38.100 -> 01:06:40.280] And I think Suzuka's the last time as well.
[01:06:40.280 -> 01:06:43.160] Safety cars have come out or mechanical issues have occurred
[01:06:43.160 -> 01:06:44.680] and then Ocon ends up finishing
[01:06:44.680 -> 01:06:45.520] like in the top five
[01:06:45.520 -> 01:06:49.500] or top six and Ghazali is like a position behind him or two
[01:06:49.500 -> 01:06:52.320] positions behind him. I feel like Ghazali is actually doing a
[01:06:52.320 -> 01:06:56.320] really good job and then being shafted a little bit or unlucky
[01:06:56.320 -> 01:06:58.120] by safety cars and strategy.
[01:06:58.480 -> 01:07:02.160] Well, I'm sure Matt would put it down to raw animal skill.
[01:07:02.600 -> 01:07:07.800] Well, no, I wouldn't actually I think Ocon's had more DNFs than anyone in the field this year.
[01:07:07.800 -> 01:07:14.320] But I think Gasly was very unlucky in the sense that he had a reliability issue.
[01:07:14.320 -> 01:07:18.720] And I think that's the main reason you saw him fall so far out of the points.
[01:07:18.720 -> 01:07:23.840] I think Ocon was faster in the race, and I don't think the safety car affected either
[01:07:23.840 -> 01:07:24.840] one of them.
[01:07:24.840 -> 01:07:27.640] Neither one of them pitted for the safety car.
[01:07:27.640 -> 01:07:35.200] And they even extended Ocon's stint by several laps so that there was no chance that he would
[01:07:35.200 -> 01:07:36.200] undercut Gasly.
[01:07:36.200 -> 01:07:38.940] I thought at the time that's why they did it.
[01:07:38.940 -> 01:07:44.040] But it just wound up working out having that tyre advantage at the end helped him when
[01:07:44.040 -> 01:07:46.640] they came together after the safety car restart.
[01:07:46.640 -> 01:07:47.640] Scott.
[01:07:47.640 -> 01:07:50.360] Just a quick point on Alpine.
[01:07:50.360 -> 01:07:53.920] How many mechanical issues in DNS have they had this year?
[01:07:53.920 -> 01:07:55.880] Surely it's the most on the grids.
[01:07:55.880 -> 01:07:56.880] It's ridiculous.
[01:07:56.880 -> 01:08:00.240] Like, enough to be sixth in the championship, I think.
[01:08:00.240 -> 01:08:01.560] Well, that's the thing.
[01:08:01.560 -> 01:08:05.880] You think if they actually had a car that was reliable, how well they
[01:08:05.880 -> 01:08:09.360] potentially could do, because I think they've got a good driver pair in there and it's
[01:08:09.360 -> 01:08:13.640] hopefully they sort those issues out because they are a team that should move further up
[01:08:13.640 -> 01:08:14.640] the grid.
[01:08:14.640 -> 01:08:18.560] I mean this really could have been a very special weekend for Esteban Ocon, but there
[01:08:18.560 -> 01:08:20.840] was a little bit of an incident in qualifying.
[01:08:20.840 -> 01:08:24.840] Whose fault is it?
[01:08:24.840 -> 01:08:28.480] It's actually a fascinating one, this one. And we were completely
[01:08:28.480 -> 01:08:33.840] split on this in our, in the WhatsApp, loads of arguments going on after this incident. But
[01:08:33.840 -> 01:08:39.120] there's a, there's a queue with Verstappen leading it. Verstappen's very keen to be at the front of
[01:08:39.120 -> 01:08:46.080] the queue, but wants his perfect gap. Ocon comes steaming through and overtakes everyone except Verstappen.
[01:08:46.720 -> 01:08:51.440] Struggles. Verstappen very clearly, incredibly clearly and obviously
[01:08:51.440 -> 01:08:55.840] impedes and deliberately blocks him. And Ocon's like, despite what his engineer's saying,
[01:08:55.840 -> 01:08:59.120] his engineer I think is saying, ah, let's wait, let's wait. And he's like, no, I need to go.
[01:08:59.120 -> 01:09:05.920] He's trying to keep to his maximum delta, ends up getting past Max Verstappen and Max Verstappen by his own admission is
[01:09:05.920 -> 01:09:10.280] angry and deliberately ruins Ocon's lap into turn one.
[01:09:10.280 -> 01:09:13.040] But what on earth do we make of that?
[01:09:13.040 -> 01:09:15.000] I guess we start with you, Matt.
[01:09:15.000 -> 01:09:18.360] I think I know who you're going to say was in the wrong though.
[01:09:18.360 -> 01:09:24.440] Well, I thought, honestly, I looked at the onboards before the later information about
[01:09:24.440 -> 01:09:25.320] Max's interview
[01:09:25.320 -> 01:09:28.720] came out, and my impression was more or less exactly that.
[01:09:28.720 -> 01:09:30.040] Ocon wanted to go.
[01:09:30.040 -> 01:09:31.320] Max didn't want him to go.
[01:09:31.320 -> 01:09:35.480] Ocon went anyway, and then Max tried to get around him.
[01:09:35.480 -> 01:09:41.160] It was obviously peeved that Ocon had ruined his gap to Perez or whoever was in front of
[01:09:41.160 -> 01:09:42.160] him.
[01:09:42.160 -> 01:09:44.960] But, you know, they're both on a hot lap.
[01:09:44.960 -> 01:09:46.080] So technically,
[01:09:47.040 -> 01:09:52.480] technically, there's no foul. You're not allowed to impede someone coming past you.
[01:09:52.480 -> 01:09:56.240] But if you're on a hot lap and someone is slower, you're also allowed to go around them.
[01:09:56.240 -> 01:10:02.240] Mason Or I have to cut in there, because he said he impeded. He said,
[01:10:02.240 -> 01:10:05.400] I impeded him on purpose, and I'd do it again.
[01:10:05.400 -> 01:10:06.400] Yeah.
[01:10:06.400 -> 01:10:11.640] And that's where I was like, well, okay, now we're not talking apples and apples.
[01:10:11.640 -> 01:10:14.360] Now we're talking apples and oranges.
[01:10:14.360 -> 01:10:20.360] And what Max did by purposefully ruining Ocon's lap was not just ruin Ocon's lap, which a
[01:10:20.360 -> 01:10:24.040] lot of people are like, well, he broke the gentleman's agreement, which got tossed out
[01:10:24.040 -> 01:10:30.160] in Monza a couple of years ago. But, you know, they saw it as fair game because Ocon went past
[01:10:30.160 -> 01:10:36.800] Max. So Max was just trying to get around him. But his actions also ruined Joe's lap as well,
[01:10:36.800 -> 01:10:41.280] who had nothing to do with any of it, and in fact, got investigated for being too slow
[01:10:41.840 -> 01:10:46.240] because he sat behind Max. And that made him too slow through that final
[01:10:46.240 -> 01:10:49.480] sector for the race director's prescription.
[01:10:49.480 -> 01:10:52.600] So yeah, to me, that's a Max issue.
[01:10:52.600 -> 01:10:53.600] Jonathan!
[01:10:53.600 -> 01:10:54.600] Hey!
[01:10:54.600 -> 01:11:00.200] I'm actually surprised he didn't get investigated after the interview, because he did exploit
[01:11:00.200 -> 01:11:04.440] the rules, he didn't do anything wrong, they're both on hot laps, and that's one thing I love
[01:11:04.440 -> 01:11:08.440] about Max, is that he really sets the tone and he goes, hey,
[01:11:08.440 -> 01:11:09.440] don't mess with me.
[01:11:09.440 -> 01:11:10.440] He does this stuff.
[01:11:10.440 -> 01:11:12.360] He's good with that kind of stuff.
[01:11:12.360 -> 01:11:17.160] He plays the dog element of the human world and the F1 world.
[01:11:17.160 -> 01:11:20.280] The other thing quickly, Spanners, is then you go and say that in the interview, and
[01:11:20.280 -> 01:11:23.480] I've heard drivers before get penalties in interviews for lying.
[01:11:23.480 -> 01:11:28.880] Going back to Australia 2009, if anyone remembers, when Lewis Hamilton was disqualified. Your interviews can be used
[01:11:28.880 -> 01:11:31.760] against you in the stewards room, so he needs to be careful in the future.
[01:11:31.760 -> 01:11:37.600] Okay, hang on though. When Verstappen just goes and overtakes everybody because they're too slow,
[01:11:38.640 -> 01:11:42.720] after the pit lane exit in Interlagos, that's like, yeah, good, he's getting on with it.
[01:11:42.720 -> 01:11:45.800] But when he wants to hold up Ocon and Ocon's like, no, I want
[01:11:45.800 -> 01:11:48.200] to go. That's not good. Do you know what I mean?
[01:11:49.000 -> 01:11:52.360] I'm not saying what anyone did is correct. I'm not saying what
[01:11:52.360 -> 01:11:55.560] anyone did was wrong in any circumstance. I'm just saying
[01:11:55.760 -> 01:11:59.280] that it's what's the term like dog eat dog world out there and
[01:11:59.280 -> 01:12:02.040] F1 especially. And so who's going to rise to the top? It's
[01:12:02.040 -> 01:12:04.360] the leader of the pack and Max Verstappen's proved, hey, I
[01:12:04.360 -> 01:12:05.520] don't want to be messed with.
[01:12:05.520 -> 01:12:07.720] If I'm Ocon, next time I'm on a hot lap,
[01:12:07.720 -> 01:12:09.600] I will find Verstappen and be like,
[01:12:09.600 -> 01:12:11.040] oh, sorry, I missed the apex.
[01:12:11.040 -> 01:12:13.160] Oh, Verstappen, sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your lap,
[01:12:13.160 -> 01:12:14.480] but I was on a lap myself.
[01:12:14.480 -> 01:12:16.160] I would do it back to him.
[01:12:16.160 -> 01:12:18.240] Harking back kind of to the points
[01:12:18.240 -> 01:12:20.600] that we made earlier on when Matt said there isn't,
[01:12:20.600 -> 01:12:23.760] and if there isn't an outcome from say,
[01:12:23.760 -> 01:12:26.820] someone going into someone and they move out of the way and it can't be
[01:12:26.820 -> 01:12:30.440] penalized. This time around, there was actually an outcome.
[01:12:30.620 -> 01:12:33.000] You're not from the actual contact from our con and
[01:12:33.040 -> 01:12:35.480] stopping because they avoided each other. But the fact of the
[01:12:35.480 -> 01:12:40.040] ocon and both Joe didn't make it out of q1 because of that
[01:12:40.040 -> 01:12:44.440] incident from Max, which he's admitted he did intentionally in
[01:12:44.440 -> 01:12:45.360] an interview afterwards.
[01:12:45.920 -> 01:12:51.200] Like Jono says, I don't know how they haven't investigated him for that. That's unsportsmanlike
[01:12:51.200 -> 01:12:59.120] conduct and I'm sure there is a regulation somewhere that that can append. There is.
[01:12:59.120 -> 01:13:03.440] Yeah there is. Look, to me it's so clear. There's three counts of impeding and one count of
[01:13:03.440 -> 01:13:07.680] blocking. So he was impeding by stopping everyone hitting their maximum lap time behind him,
[01:13:07.680 -> 01:13:11.440] the blocking was he physically tried to stop Ocon from overtaking,
[01:13:11.440 -> 01:13:17.360] then he deliberately on purpose impeded Ocon into turn one and inadvertently then impeded Joe.
[01:13:17.360 -> 01:13:20.400] So to me it's an absolute shocker that that hasn't got investigated.
[01:13:20.400 -> 01:13:22.240] The rest of the subjects we haven't covered I think
[01:13:22.240 -> 01:13:29.480] are going to get covered in our awards as we head to the podium!
[01:13:29.480 -> 01:13:37.120] Now everybody, squeeze into the back of a small car as we make our way over to the podium.
[01:13:37.120 -> 01:13:41.080] And look, whenever we get to this part of the podium, I always think, did I enjoy my
[01:13:41.080 -> 01:13:43.000] Sunday watching Formula 1?
[01:13:43.000 -> 01:13:47.640] And I absolutely did. So well done to Las Vegas
[01:13:47.640 -> 01:13:55.900] for everything that happened after Thursday. So from FP3 onwards, well done F1. Well done
[01:13:55.900 -> 01:14:01.640] Las Vegas. It was an audacious and ambitious thing to do. I don't agree with a lot of what
[01:14:01.640 -> 01:14:06.400] went on in and around and in the lead up to it but Sunday was the proof of the
[01:14:06.400 -> 01:14:12.800] pudding put up or shut up they got their sixes and they were in a position to take advantage of that.
[01:14:12.800 -> 01:14:17.760] Okay so let's give out some awards then. I will go first. I'm going to go first. I'm going to take
[01:14:17.760 -> 01:14:24.960] the lead on this. So this is the we're going to go for first the the bad one. Oh no you missed
[01:14:24.960 -> 01:14:45.120] the apex. We're going to start with the bad one so we get to be all positive later on. That's a revelation we had from from the last race review. So who missed the apex? I've just been praising the FIA and the Las Vegas Grand Prix. They missed the apex completely for Friday. I don't know how much I want to dwell on this. But someone made a decision that given that they couldn't
[01:14:45.120 -> 01:14:50.840] weld those drain covers down, they made a decision to, I think in the end, we sort of
[01:14:50.840 -> 01:14:56.440] drilled down that, they actually then went and replaced it with their own covers, aluminium
[01:14:56.440 -> 01:15:01.080] covers that weren't welded and weren't sealed, even though they said at one, tried to claim
[01:15:01.080 -> 01:15:03.200] at one point that they had sealant on them.
[01:15:03.200 -> 01:15:10.080] They were held down with what looked like a brass clasp that was able to kind of tighten up
[01:15:10.080 -> 01:15:16.560] from the top, a part that is not designed to be race spec and failed nearly straight
[01:15:16.560 -> 01:15:22.240] away. And mistakes happen, I get that, and I get that you can't just tell the truth straight
[01:15:22.240 -> 01:15:25.360] away because lawsuits exist and they are having
[01:15:25.360 -> 01:15:30.040] a class action lawsuit against them on behalf of the fans. But that incident could have
[01:15:30.040 -> 01:15:34.200] been so much worse. They could have ended up killing someone in the crowd that could
[01:15:34.200 -> 01:15:40.800] have done a lot more damage to Carlos Sainz's car. So not only did that happen, but then
[01:15:40.800 -> 01:15:44.480] they just didn't display any common sense with Carlos Sainz and the penalty and then
[01:15:44.480 -> 01:15:50.240] also messed the fans around horribly and are failing absolutely to just put their hands in their pockets
[01:15:50.240 -> 01:15:53.680] and just compensate people for the action that they missed out on.
[01:15:53.680 -> 01:15:59.440] And not only that they missed out on, but were sent home from half an hour before the action started.
[01:15:59.440 -> 01:16:03.080] They tried to make it out like it was a force of nature, like a hurricane came through.
[01:16:03.080 -> 01:16:04.120] There wasn't a hurricane.
[01:16:04.120 -> 01:16:07.520] They made mistake after mistake after mistake, and they didn't have a contingency plan.
[01:16:08.080 -> 01:16:11.520] And on the Saturday, the solution, they said, well, we'll make sure on Saturday,
[01:16:11.520 -> 01:16:16.240] we do have a contingency plan. Yeah, should have had that on Friday as well. So,
[01:16:16.800 -> 01:16:21.680] they've got to miss the apex for that whole debacle on Thursday, Friday.
[01:16:21.680 -> 01:16:26.760] They should have read Ross Brawn's Total Competition book or whatever, which he talks about for
[01:16:26.760 -> 01:16:29.680] about 400 pages about contingency plans.
[01:16:29.680 -> 01:16:31.120] I don't know what he's doing these days.
[01:16:31.120 -> 01:16:33.120] I don't even know if he's still in motorsports somewhere.
[01:16:33.120 -> 01:16:34.120] Let him rest.
[01:16:34.120 -> 01:16:35.120] Let him rest.
[01:16:35.120 -> 01:16:36.120] He's fishing.
[01:16:36.120 -> 01:16:37.120] He's fishing.
[01:16:37.120 -> 01:16:38.120] He likes to fish.
[01:16:38.120 -> 01:16:39.120] Yeah.
[01:16:39.120 -> 01:16:42.080] I mean, that topic has taken up so much bandwidth.
[01:16:42.080 -> 01:16:43.560] Just scroll my Twitter feed.
[01:16:43.560 -> 01:16:45.600] I was irked okay uh let's
[01:16:45.600 -> 01:16:51.680] go with you then scott scott who missed the apex for you so it kind of relates to thursday but
[01:16:51.680 -> 01:17:01.200] toto wolf yeah he's rant in support of just f1 and the event itself after all the criticisms this was
[01:17:01.200 -> 01:17:08.240] just after free practice one that was cancelled because of the valve manhole issue with Carlos
[01:17:08.240 -> 01:17:16.040] Saenz. It was just odd. It was odd and bizarre. It was like it
[01:17:16.040 -> 01:17:21.640] was business Toto talking and getting very defensive. He even
[01:17:21.640 -> 01:17:24.700] had a go at Fred Fasore as well, who understandably was not very
[01:17:24.700 -> 01:17:27.660] happy. He even said to him,
[01:17:27.660 -> 01:17:29.940] well, if this was your car, there's no way that you'd be
[01:17:29.940 -> 01:17:34.280] defending this right now. This negligence of the organizers
[01:17:34.280 -> 01:17:37.420] because of Russian safety procedures, because they wanted
[01:17:37.420 -> 01:17:41.820] the opening ceremony on the track. And it was just, I
[01:17:41.820 -> 01:17:44.360] don't know, should I say out of character for him? Or maybe it
[01:17:44.360 -> 01:17:45.640] was true colors of Toto. It was definitely it was just, I don't know, should I say out of character for him? Or maybe it was true colors of Toto.
[01:17:45.640 -> 01:17:47.800] It was definitely business Toto because any day,
[01:17:48.320 -> 01:17:51.680] Mercedes F1 is a brand still.
[01:17:51.880 -> 01:17:55.280] He is the business owner, a very large stakeholder.
[01:17:55.560 -> 01:17:57.680] And Vegas needs to go ahead.
[01:17:57.680 -> 01:18:01.480] It needs to be a success for Mercedes to earn money.
[01:18:01.480 -> 01:18:08.640] So did we get a glimpse of, of work of nine-5 Toto and not camera chatting away to Johnny Herbert
[01:18:08.640 -> 01:18:09.640] Toto?
[01:18:09.640 -> 01:18:15.240] I think we did. I think we got an insight into maybe what Toto is like in the design
[01:18:15.240 -> 01:18:20.160] office who decided to create the W13 and W14.
[01:18:20.160 -> 01:18:25.920] I'm a huge Toto fan, but kicking off at that journalist for asking what seemed to the
[01:18:25.920 -> 01:18:33.680] world was a fair question. And you're not alone, Scott. A lot of people who are Mercedes fans,
[01:18:33.680 -> 01:18:39.920] who love Toto Wolff, went, what was that? What was that? I guess they've put a lot of work into it,
[01:18:39.920 -> 01:18:44.240] and it would be nice if it could just be brushed off as just... Because that's what he said,
[01:18:44.240 -> 01:18:45.680] he goes, oh, it's just a drain cover.
[01:18:45.680 -> 01:18:46.160] It happens.
[01:18:46.160 -> 01:18:48.400] You go, no, it's not that.
[01:18:48.400 -> 01:18:49.760] There's definitely more to it.
[01:18:49.760 -> 01:18:53.360] And we'll never find out the full story because they're never going to come out and say,
[01:18:53.360 -> 01:18:59.120] yeah, Derek in the drain cover department told us that the brass thing would hold.
[01:18:59.760 -> 01:19:00.240] Okay, yeah.
[01:19:00.240 -> 01:19:01.600] Okay, so let's go for Jono.
[01:19:01.600 -> 01:19:03.440] Jono, who missed the A-pens for you?
[01:19:03.440 -> 01:19:07.920] I'm glad you used an American name, Derek of all names,
[01:19:07.920 -> 01:19:11.680] because it probably was a Derek, or a Billy Bob, but...
[01:19:11.680 -> 01:19:15.040] I don't even know where that... I don't know why that name suddenly just popped into my head,
[01:19:15.040 -> 01:19:16.080] I just plucked it around.
[01:19:17.120 -> 01:19:22.000] Um, who missed the Apex for me? I'm sure that Matt is going to talk about the
[01:19:22.640 -> 01:19:25.660] 20 minute drive to the podium.
[01:19:25.660 -> 01:19:28.220] If not, that's gotta be mine,
[01:19:28.220 -> 01:19:31.620] but I will let Matt maybe delve into his a little bit later.
[01:19:31.620 -> 01:19:33.820] Mine's gonna be, I'm gonna take some lighthearted ones
[01:19:33.820 -> 01:19:35.020] because I know there's a lot of negative
[01:19:35.020 -> 01:19:36.960] that came out of this weekend.
[01:19:36.960 -> 01:19:39.980] First of all, Pierre Gasly's golf swing on the Wednesday
[01:19:39.980 -> 01:19:41.900] that almost killed people in the crowd
[01:19:41.900 -> 01:19:44.380] was one of the worst golf swings I've ever seen.
[01:19:44.380 -> 01:19:45.680] Now you're talking to somebody here,
[01:19:45.680 -> 01:19:49.020] now I suck at any sport that involves a stick and a ball,
[01:19:49.020 -> 01:19:50.740] so I would have done the same thing,
[01:19:50.740 -> 01:19:53.300] but don't play golf if that's what you do,
[01:19:53.300 -> 01:19:55.200] if you're gonna put people at danger.
[01:19:55.200 -> 01:19:57.020] And the second one was,
[01:19:57.020 -> 01:19:59.960] now I watched the opening ceremony thinking,
[01:19:59.960 -> 01:20:01.800] oh, we're gonna get some driver interviews or something,
[01:20:01.800 -> 01:20:09.280] so I kept tapping the 10 second fast forward on YouTube, and then it finished. And I was like, oh, wait a sec. I just honestly
[01:20:09.280 -> 01:20:14.480] was tapping for about five minutes and I think I might sound like I'm joking here, but I'm not.
[01:20:14.480 -> 01:20:19.920] I sat there for five minutes tapping away and all I remember seeing was some oversized Latino rapper
[01:20:19.920 -> 01:20:25.320] and some construction uniform. And then, I kept tapping, and then after that I'm
[01:20:25.320 -> 01:20:26.320] like, oh, it just finished?
[01:20:26.320 -> 01:20:29.680] So, I don't know, it was one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen, and I watched it on
[01:20:29.680 -> 01:20:31.880] fast forward, which made it even funnier.
[01:20:31.880 -> 01:20:32.880] Okay.
[01:20:32.880 -> 01:20:36.200] Matt, who missed the apex for you?
[01:20:36.200 -> 01:20:42.560] Yeah, well, now I'm tempted to say that yes, I do agree with Jono, because poor old Gasly
[01:20:42.560 -> 01:20:46.240] got a case of the shanks off of that and that live
[01:20:46.240 -> 01:20:47.240] golf event.
[01:20:47.240 -> 01:20:50.360] And it was just it was painful to watch.
[01:20:50.360 -> 01:20:51.880] I felt I mean, I did.
[01:20:51.880 -> 01:20:56.840] I felt real sympathy for him because there's no place worse to have that happen.
[01:20:56.840 -> 01:20:57.840] Oh, no.
[01:20:57.840 -> 01:21:00.960] And then on TV in front of a whole bunch of people.
[01:21:00.960 -> 01:21:03.800] I was about to say, well, we're all bad golfers here, so we can relate.
[01:21:03.800 -> 01:21:10.480] But Scott's really good at golf, so we can't. Yeah. Well, but no, fine. I will take your
[01:21:10.480 -> 01:21:17.520] suggestion and go with the completely bizarre car ride to the Bellagio, which paid who knows how
[01:21:17.520 -> 01:21:22.320] much for that kind of advertising. I will say there were some positives. I think if you take
[01:21:22.320 -> 01:21:25.920] three drivers fighting that hard in most races
[01:21:25.920 -> 01:21:29.840] and force them into a closed environment where they have nothing to do but talk to each other,
[01:21:29.840 -> 01:21:34.880] you could get some very interesting results. But we didn't this time. And the whole rest of it was
[01:21:34.880 -> 01:21:40.960] just a waste of time and felt, it felt weird because there were no fans, the team wasn't
[01:21:40.960 -> 01:21:45.200] there, it was just this isolated place for the interview, and then they drove them
[01:21:45.200 -> 01:21:49.120] back and then they had the regular podium. Is that what they did? I missed all of that.
[01:21:49.120 -> 01:21:54.400] Is that what they did? They drove somewhere else for the interview and then came back.
[01:21:56.960 -> 01:22:02.240] That's worse than the drain cover thing. That's equal. I think that's equal. Sorry, Scott.
[01:22:03.440 -> 01:22:07.200] Yeah, that was ridiculous. I just wanted to make an honorary mention to
[01:22:07.200 -> 01:22:16.000] the regulations of there not being any regulation in place for the force majeure thing where Carlos
[01:22:16.000 -> 01:22:20.240] Sainz and Ferrari had to take a 10 place grid penalty. Oh, come on, they could have. They could
[01:22:20.240 -> 01:22:31.440] have said it was force majeure if they wanted to. Well that was their argument as in there's no regulation with air quotes that allows that to happen. So what did he get? A 10 place grid drop.
[01:22:31.440 -> 01:22:37.200] 10 place penalty. And a 1.4 million pound bill apparently to Ferrari. But what? It was engine,
[01:22:37.200 -> 01:22:42.960] gearbox, battery, cockpit blew out. Apparently signs were... It damaged his seat. Apparently
[01:22:42.960 -> 01:22:47.200] you could see the floor through the cockpit. Apparently Sainz said he was
[01:22:47.200 -> 01:22:51.880] fortunate enough that nothing made contact with him. Yeah, it could have been so much
[01:22:51.880 -> 01:22:57.440] worse and this is why for then the FI or for Liberty to be issuing statements going, nah,
[01:22:57.440 -> 01:23:02.120] it's no big deal. It was just, you know, it was a super big deal. It was like a huge big
[01:23:02.120 -> 01:23:06.840] deal. But yeah, so it's so unlucky for science.
[01:23:06.840 -> 01:23:09.820] And I do feel like there could have been a way around it where he didn't get a 10 place
[01:23:09.820 -> 01:23:10.820] grid penalty.
[01:23:10.820 -> 01:23:14.360] But I'm so disappointed in all the rest of the teams.
[01:23:14.360 -> 01:23:17.440] What is a thing that comes with a 10 place grid penalty?
[01:23:17.440 -> 01:23:21.800] Like something like, could they like all replace a battery or a part of a engine unit that
[01:23:21.800 -> 01:23:23.640] they didn't need to, but they replaced it anyway.
[01:23:23.640 -> 01:23:27.440] Like I was waiting for the I am Spartacus moment, where Latifi,
[01:23:28.160 -> 01:23:31.600] I want to keep saying Latifi, where Sargent steps forward and says like,
[01:23:31.600 -> 01:23:35.840] I need to change my battery, and then Hamilton goes, I also need to change my battery,
[01:23:35.840 -> 01:23:39.920] and then one by one they all change their battery and get a ten place grid penalty
[01:23:39.920 -> 01:23:43.840] to show solidarity to Carlos Sainz. But they didn't. The gits.
[01:23:44.400 -> 01:23:46.840] All right, cool. Let's do the Good Thing Award.
[01:23:48.560 -> 01:23:50.560] End on a positive.
[01:23:50.560 -> 01:23:52.240] It's the weekend.
[01:23:52.240 -> 01:23:55.720] OK, so let's start with Matt Trumpets.
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[01:24:33.360 -> 01:24:42.160] at MattPT55. Matt, who hit the apex for you? Well, there was so much good about this race,
[01:24:47.680 -> 01:24:54.160] Ah, there was so much good about this race, but I'm going to give my hit the apex award, smash the apex award to something that I first noticed watching the thoroughly unhinged live
[01:24:54.160 -> 01:24:59.760] golf event, and that's going to be the Sphere. I thought that thing was awesome. I loved it.
[01:24:59.760 -> 01:25:01.360] It's my favorite thing.
[01:25:01.360 -> 01:25:06.920] Isn't it amazing? And it was so cool during the race, because that was like the one feature of Las Vegas
[01:25:06.920 -> 01:25:12.120] you actually got to see, even when you were doing the onboard cameras.
[01:25:12.120 -> 01:25:15.520] They do the shots, right, and you'd be trying to watch the car, and the car would be getting
[01:25:15.520 -> 01:25:19.560] lower and lower in the shot until it's right at the bottom, you know, like where a news
[01:25:19.560 -> 01:25:23.040] ticker would be, and they had to do that to zoom out to get the sphere in.
[01:25:23.040 -> 01:25:29.680] And you're like, oh, I'm supposed to be looking at the sphere not the car but it's brilliant there was so much on there and uh all
[01:25:29.680 -> 01:25:34.160] throughout the race it was changing all throughout the race and yeah a real real feature like if they
[01:25:34.160 -> 01:25:38.720] installed that on Colchester high street i'd be up for that i would i would allow that next to the
[01:25:38.720 -> 01:25:50.080] next to the town hall just into the dutch quarter i think let's get on that. In Essex, in Essex would be nice. It'd be stolen if it was in Essex by now. That's what we've learned from this podcast.
[01:25:50.080 -> 01:25:58.720] Okay, mean, even if true. Okay. So, Stuffy, you are a streamer and you stream when your cat allows
[01:25:58.720 -> 01:26:04.080] you iRacing and stuff. So go and watch. You get to look at the bottom half of Stuffy's face while
[01:26:04.080 -> 01:26:05.840] he does iRacing in VR.
[01:26:05.840 -> 01:26:12.000] Not anymore, I upgrade it from VR to a big ultra-wide curved monitor.
[01:26:12.000 -> 01:26:15.280] So it's a lot more comfortable these days.
[01:26:15.280 -> 01:26:18.960] Yeah, that's right. You're using the moneymaker, the old face there, and you're going,
[01:26:18.960 -> 01:26:20.880] no, I needed more Scotty FaceTime.
[01:26:23.280 -> 01:26:27.520] My hit the apex of the weekend was Sassy Max.
[01:26:27.520 -> 01:26:28.520] Yeah.
[01:26:28.520 -> 01:26:31.080] I loved Sassy Max this weekend.
[01:26:31.080 -> 01:26:35.920] He was on top form off the track.
[01:26:35.920 -> 01:26:40.120] He just basically did not care, did not give a beep.
[01:26:40.120 -> 01:26:41.120] Because...
[01:26:41.120 -> 01:26:43.760] See you, Jono.
[01:26:43.760 -> 01:26:50.920] He just gave it to Liberty Media saying for the weekend it was 99% show, 1% race. I'm
[01:26:50.920 -> 01:26:57.680] not about that. So much so he pretty much had every journalist and every pundit going,
[01:26:57.680 -> 01:27:05.680] I don't agree with that. I think that's poor for Max. And Max just didn't back down. He just continued. He slandered the sprints again.
[01:27:05.680 -> 01:27:08.520] He compared the track to,
[01:27:08.520 -> 01:27:11.420] he compared Monaco as Champions League
[01:27:11.420 -> 01:27:13.560] and the Vegas track as-
[01:27:13.560 -> 01:27:14.680] National League.
[01:27:14.680 -> 01:27:16.280] National League, which is like
[01:27:16.280 -> 01:27:19.600] the Sunday weekend team football league
[01:27:19.600 -> 01:27:21.080] if you're outside of the UK.
[01:27:21.080 -> 01:27:23.520] It was great to see.
[01:27:23.520 -> 01:27:25.800] And it's probably the one man,
[01:27:25.800 -> 01:27:29.700] the one man that Liberty Media so badly wants
[01:27:29.700 -> 01:27:33.600] to just promote and say good things about F1.
[01:27:33.600 -> 01:27:36.320] And he's just going against the grain and I love it.
[01:27:36.320 -> 01:27:38.200] We as F1 fans have been told,
[01:27:38.200 -> 01:27:40.080] like I've been told,
[01:27:40.080 -> 01:27:40.920] it's just because you're old
[01:27:40.920 -> 01:27:42.060] and you've been watching it for ages
[01:27:42.060 -> 01:27:43.500] that you don't like the sprint weekends
[01:27:43.500 -> 01:27:46.480] and like you're just grumpy about the show show show show and stuff like that and you go
[01:27:46.480 -> 01:27:51.360] well i think and i don't mind the show and the glitz and stuff but the sprint weekends are rubbish
[01:27:51.360 -> 01:27:56.880] but i think max saffron just spoke for a lot of fans and there was no one no one in f1 or f1 media
[01:27:56.880 -> 01:28:03.040] that was kind of willing to represent a large chunk of the f1 fan base who who don't like say
[01:28:03.040 -> 01:28:05.200] the sprints for example and he's just the only one
[01:28:05.200 -> 01:28:10.720] who's come out and gone nah they're arse. And just to tag on to that as well similar to what
[01:28:10.720 -> 01:28:16.640] Max was doing over the weekend Fred Vasseur. Oh yeah. In that conference where he's got Toto in
[01:28:16.640 -> 01:28:23.680] his ear saying and he got asked multiple times after he's just been told he's got a 1.5 million
[01:28:23.680 -> 01:28:25.440] pound bill whatever it is for for Carlos Sainz's
[01:28:25.440 -> 01:28:30.960] car, they're getting a penalty. The interviewer asked him three times. It's still a great event
[01:28:30.960 -> 01:28:36.320] though. But this is great for Ferrari, like an event after he's just like had a hole chucked
[01:28:36.320 -> 01:28:40.240] into his car. What do you think about the event? It's great. What does this mean for Ferrari? And
[01:28:40.240 -> 01:28:44.800] Fred's like, I think you're asking the wrong person. Yeah, my car's just been ripped in half.
[01:28:44.800 -> 01:28:46.240] Like stop, just leave him alone. That's awful. All right,'re asking the wrong person. Yeah, my car's just been ripped in half. Like, stop.
[01:28:46.240 -> 01:28:47.200] Just leave him alone.
[01:28:47.200 -> 01:28:47.800] That was awful.
[01:28:47.800 -> 01:28:49.160] All right, go and follow Stuffy.
[01:28:49.160 -> 01:28:50.920] His links will be in the show notes below.
[01:28:50.920 -> 01:28:51.840] Follow him on Twitter.
[01:28:51.840 -> 01:28:55.680] And watch his, even if you're not into iRacing, just tune in.
[01:28:55.680 -> 01:28:59.800] It's like AMSR, ASMR for the, just watching a guy doing
[01:28:59.800 -> 01:29:02.800] an intense thing in a super chilled way
[01:29:02.800 -> 01:29:03.960] is why I love your stream.
[01:29:03.960 -> 01:29:08.160] He's super chilled until his cat turns his computer off or something like that. All right so and
[01:29:08.160 -> 01:29:14.480] we've got Australian man. Hello Australian man! Until Jono joins
[01:29:14.480 -> 01:29:17.520] Scott's races and takes him out that's what's gonna happen next.
[01:29:17.520 -> 01:29:27.000] You'd have to catch him. My fake name will be Spanners Ready, that's what it will be.
[01:29:27.000 -> 01:29:28.000] Who hit the apex?
[01:29:28.000 -> 01:29:29.000] No, who missed the apex?
[01:29:29.000 -> 01:29:30.000] Who hit the apex?
[01:29:30.000 -> 01:29:32.880] Yeah, we're ending positive.
[01:29:32.880 -> 01:29:37.040] This is a tough one because the max one was mine.
[01:29:37.040 -> 01:29:42.660] My second one is not as exciting, but it was, I don't know, for some reason I consumed Sky's
[01:29:42.660 -> 01:29:46.200] coverage this weekend and I, for some reason reason really enjoyed Ted Kravitz this weekend.
[01:29:46.200 -> 01:29:47.200] I thought he was great.
[01:29:47.200 -> 01:29:48.200] Oh, Ted's glorious.
[01:29:48.200 -> 01:29:49.200] Yeah.
[01:29:49.200 -> 01:29:55.400] And I think Ted's great, you know, most weekends, he's... while he is awkward as they can be,
[01:29:55.400 -> 01:29:57.360] but he is great, you know?
[01:29:57.360 -> 01:30:01.000] And today I was like, I really enjoyed watching The Notebook, it was one of my favorite parts
[01:30:01.000 -> 01:30:02.760] of the weekend, so that was great.
[01:30:02.760 -> 01:30:03.920] I'll give it to Ted, why not?
[01:30:03.920 -> 01:30:05.640] He needs some love.
[01:30:05.640 -> 01:30:09.120] You know, you could also give it to Stroll for proving today he's a better driver than
[01:30:09.120 -> 01:30:10.120] Alonzo.
[01:30:10.120 -> 01:30:11.120] Do you know what?
[01:30:11.120 -> 01:30:14.320] Or you could have let it get to my thing of the weekend, and my thing of the weekend
[01:30:14.320 -> 01:30:16.720] was going to be Lance Stroll, but you've just stolen that.
[01:30:16.720 -> 01:30:18.040] Thanks a lot, Matt.
[01:30:18.040 -> 01:30:19.040] So follow Jono.
[01:30:19.040 -> 01:30:21.200] His beard or his drive?
[01:30:21.200 -> 01:30:25.040] Follow Jono, JonnyS8 on Twitter, but the link will be in the show notes below.
[01:30:25.040 -> 01:30:30.880] Yeah, Lance Stroll has actually, this is the evil universe Lance Stroll, because he's got that full
[01:30:30.880 -> 01:30:35.920] like thick evil goatee going on. But look, whether he got sliced a lot with a safety car or not,
[01:30:36.640 -> 01:30:40.880] and whether he should have qualified higher than 19th or wherever he started, still ended up in
[01:30:40.880 -> 01:30:49.600] fifth place. So yeah, that's a quality drive. Rode the luck and took advantage of it. So well done to Lance Stroll.
[01:30:49.600 -> 01:30:56.600] And I guess Williams for briefly looking like it was going to be that glorious F1 weekend for them.
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[01:33:42.320 -> 01:33:44.960] Don't get too hyped up or too excited by Williams doing well in the practice sessions or even qualifying well, because it's about the race.
[01:33:49.920 -> 01:33:54.960] But even, even a part of me, Matt, was uncynical thinking they might get some big points today. Well, I don't think they were that far off it. I know we're sort of at the end of the show,
[01:33:54.960 -> 01:33:59.600] but they got hung out to dry because they didn't have a second set of hard tires to go on to when
[01:33:59.600 -> 01:34:07.280] that safety car happened. Like they both, I think Sargent was 35 laps on the hard tyre, Albon was 33,
[01:34:07.920 -> 01:34:12.720] and their car is not the best on the tyres. If they'd been able to take advantage of that safety
[01:34:12.720 -> 01:34:17.360] car, they could have both wound up in the points, but it was not to be.
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