Gran Turismo: Based On A True Story. Missed Apex meets the stars of the movie

Missed Apex was lucky enough to be included on the press junket for the Grand Turismo Movie! Spanners saw the first UK press screening at Sony Pictures and got to sit down for a virtual interview with Jann Mardenborough and Archie Madekwe

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# **Gran Turismo Movie Discussion with Jan Mardenborough and Archie Madekwe**

## **Introduction**

- Matt Spanners hosts the podcast, expressing excitement about the upcoming Gran Turismo movie.
- The movie is based on the real-life GT Academy, which transformed sim racers into real-life racing drivers.
- Jan Mardenborough, a former GT Academy winner, and Archie Madekwe, the actor who portrayed him in the film, join the podcast.

## **Jan Mardenborough's Journey**

- Jan Mardenborough shares his experience as a sim racer and his journey to becoming a professional racing driver through the GT Academy.
- He highlights the importance of perseverance and staying focused on his dream despite facing challenges.
- Jan emphasizes the significance of the GT Academy in providing opportunities for talented sim racers to pursue real-life racing careers.

## **Archie Madekwe's Portrayal of Jan Mardenborough**

- Archie Madekwe discusses the process of preparing for his role as Jan Mardenborough in the Gran Turismo movie.
- He reveals that he spent considerable time with Jan before filming to understand his life and experiences.
- Archie also mentions the extensive sim racing and stunt driving training he underwent to accurately portray Jan's journey.

## **Sim Racing and Its Connection to Real-Life Racing**

- The podcast delves into the connection between sim racing and real-life racing, highlighting the similarities and differences between the two.
- Jan Mardenborough shares his perspective on how sim racing helped him transition to real-life racing.
- Archie Madekwe emphasizes the importance of sim racing in providing a realistic and immersive experience for aspiring racing drivers.

## **The Gran Turismo Movie's Impact on Sim Racing**

- The guests discuss the potential impact of the Gran Turismo movie on the world of sim racing.
- They express hope that the movie will inspire more people to take up sim racing and pursue their dreams of becoming professional racing drivers.
- The movie's portrayal of the GT Academy and Jan Mardenborough's journey is seen as a positive step in promoting sim racing and its connection to real-life racing.

## **Conclusion**

- The podcast wraps up with the guests expressing their gratitude for the opportunity to share their experiences and perspectives on the Gran Turismo movie and the world of sim racing.
- They encourage listeners to watch the movie and embrace the excitement and inspiration it brings to the world of motorsport.

[00:00.000 -> 00:10.080] Hey everyone, Spanners here. I've got possibly the coolest interview we've ever had here
[00:10.080 -> 00:14.800] on the show. Here on Miss Apex, obviously we're massive motorsport fans, but we're
[00:14.800 -> 00:19.960] also keen sim racers of varying talent. So if you tell me there's a movie about a sim
[00:19.960 -> 00:24.320] racer that ended up on real tracks around the world because of how good a sim racer
[00:24.320 -> 00:26.800] he was, I would say, hook me up.
[00:26.800 -> 00:30.840] Well there is such a movie, it's called Gran Turismo, based on the real life GT Academy
[00:30.840 -> 00:35.000] that took the best sim racers in the world and put them on track.
[00:35.000 -> 00:38.320] Joining me is that sim racer turned deity, Jan Mardenbra.
[00:38.320 -> 00:39.840] Hey, how's it going Jan?
[00:39.840 -> 00:41.840] Very good, Matt.
[00:41.840 -> 00:46.240] And also joining me today, we have the actor that brought it to life on the big screen.
[00:46.240 -> 00:47.240] We've got Archie Mdekue.
[00:47.240 -> 00:48.240] Hello, Archie.
[00:48.240 -> 00:49.240] Hey, how's it going?
[00:49.240 -> 00:50.800] Archie, I've seen the film.
[00:50.800 -> 00:53.040] Archie, you were absolutely fantastic.
[00:53.040 -> 00:58.920] It really did just paint a picture of what a normal, relatable guy Yan was, just with
[00:58.920 -> 00:59.920] a dream in his heart.
[00:59.920 -> 01:00.920] Oh, thanks.
[01:00.920 -> 01:01.960] That's really kind of you.
[01:01.960 -> 01:03.600] Thank you very much.
[01:03.600 -> 01:07.160] And I would say, have you, did you stalk him to find that out?
[01:07.160 -> 01:10.000] Because if I was if I was having a film made about me,
[01:10.400 -> 01:14.680] I would make sure that I also got portrayed as a very nice, relatable guy.
[01:15.800 -> 01:18.080] Well, I think spending just five minutes of the end,
[01:18.080 -> 01:21.400] you realize that pretty quickly, no stalking required.
[01:21.520 -> 01:27.360] But I did. But I did spend a lot of time with Jan before filming, as soon as I attached
[01:27.360 -> 01:30.480] to the project, I immediately reached out,
[01:30.480 -> 01:34.000] we jumped on the phone, and we just started talking
[01:34.000 -> 01:36.280] incredibly honestly and openly.
[01:36.280 -> 01:39.040] You know, I was just so grateful for how,
[01:39.040 -> 01:41.800] for how the trust that he kinda put in me
[01:41.800 -> 01:44.880] and how open and honest he was with me about his life,
[01:44.880 -> 01:47.960] and I just wanted to know everything, even if it wasn't gonna be in the film.
[01:47.960 -> 01:54.080] I just asked him to start from the start, tell me about your life. And then those conversations just didn't stop.
[01:54.080 -> 01:58.360] Jan was on set with us the entire time. He did all of his own stunt driving.
[01:58.360 -> 02:01.240] And so it just meant that he was this endless pool of knowledge.
[02:01.240 -> 02:06.040] And anytime I had any doubts, any questions, any queries, I
[02:06.040 -> 02:11.000] mean he was there to answer them. I mean it was a dream come true situation.
[02:11.000 -> 02:15.840] And Jan, how did he do? To see yourself or a copy of yourself on the big screen must
[02:15.840 -> 02:16.840] be amazing.
[02:16.840 -> 02:21.800] Oh, she nailed it. I've only recently watched the movie and of course I know what's happened
[02:21.800 -> 02:26.640] because it's my life and I was there. But yeah, he did an absolutely fantastic job.
[02:27.240 -> 02:31.200] And to have my life put onto screen, part of my life,
[02:31.200 -> 02:36.120] but on the screen is very unusual, a blessing as well.
[02:37.160 -> 02:39.320] And hopefully people can take some,
[02:40.120 -> 02:43.840] it can spark some thinking within people to take some positivity out of it.
[02:43.840 -> 02:47.040] So, yeah, it's been
[02:47.040 -> 02:53.680] fantastic. As a wannabe sim racer and carter, like I now assume that I'm definitely going to end up
[02:53.680 -> 02:57.840] on real life tracks and at Le Mans. I'm sure it will definitely happen. It will, dude. I think
[02:57.840 -> 03:02.800] it will. It definitely will. God dream big, man. God dream big. And this is what I was going to ask
[03:02.800 -> 03:05.600] you, because in all Hollywood movies, they always say to you, what you really going to ask you because in all Hollywood movies they always say to
[03:05.600 -> 03:09.680] you what you really need to do is you just need to believe all those losers didn't believe
[03:09.680 -> 03:10.840] hard enough.
[03:10.840 -> 03:15.920] When you were actually at the Academy or even qualifying for it, Jan, did it actually feel
[03:15.920 -> 03:19.400] possible at the time?
[03:19.400 -> 03:24.840] So I saw it with, like I said, with doors.
[03:24.840 -> 03:27.440] So I was presented with a door of GT Academy,
[03:27.440 -> 03:29.920] in position of my life, just dropped out of uni,
[03:29.920 -> 03:32.720] and this door had kind of, uni was closed,
[03:32.720 -> 03:34.480] so I was like, okay, GT Academy,
[03:34.480 -> 03:36.520] okay, that door, let's see how far we can go.
[03:36.520 -> 03:38.880] Let's open that one, and then let's open the other ones,
[03:38.880 -> 03:43.000] and then, of course, one, and then presented with this,
[03:43.000 -> 03:45.000] this childhood dream
[03:46.240 -> 03:47.780] and just to see how far I could go.
[03:47.780 -> 03:51.120] But the intention was, my intention was to see
[03:51.120 -> 03:53.560] how far I can go, but it was, I never thought I could win
[03:53.560 -> 03:56.640] only up until the last day where,
[03:56.640 -> 03:58.360] the last race where I had a chance,
[03:58.360 -> 04:00.040] I thought I had a chance of winning.
[04:00.040 -> 04:02.140] It wasn't like I'm going to win, it was like,
[04:02.140 -> 04:03.200] I have a chance.
[04:04.840 -> 04:07.880] It was a very strange mindset, but it's done me well.
[04:08.460 -> 04:13.940] But I was very sure ever since I was probably 11, that being a racing
[04:13.940 -> 04:15.720] driver is what I want to do with my life.
[04:15.980 -> 04:19.540] And if an opportunity presented itself, I'm all in.
[04:20.220 -> 04:23.840] Uh, I had to wait a long time for that to happen and be very lucky as well.
[04:23.840 -> 04:26.160] But I never let that
[04:34.960 -> 04:39.120] candle, that little fire, go out completely because life throws mud and dirt and darkness at you, but it was always that and I was at the right place at the right time and then putting the work.
[04:40.000 -> 04:50.160] You obviously believed exactly the right amount to get you to where you were. But as a keen sim racer myself, I was watching the hand movements and the racing in the cockpit.
[04:50.160 -> 04:57.760] Archie, I have to say, you were incredibly believable as somebody facing the physical shock of a sports car.
[04:57.760 -> 05:01.760] So I do wonder, I know Jan was doing some stunt driving, but how much did they
[05:01.760 -> 05:05.600] get you involved or bully you into doing
[05:04.080 -> 05:08.520] some track racing or some sim racing?
[05:05.600 -> 05:10.640] Any time you see me in the car, I'm in the
[05:08.520 -> 05:12.920] car going at full racing speed. There is
[05:10.640 -> 05:15.560] no shot where it's static
[05:12.920 -> 05:18.600] or going slower. I'm at full racing
[05:15.560 -> 05:20.920] speed and so the shot, all of those
[05:18.600 -> 05:23.360] things, all of that is real. That is
[05:20.920 -> 05:24.720] very, very real. It was truly one of the
[05:23.360 -> 05:27.840] most difficult things I've ever done in my
[05:24.720 -> 05:25.160] life. Sim racing wise, I real. It was truly one of the most difficult things I've ever done in my life.
[05:25.160 -> 05:27.600] Sim racing wise, I mean, I was,
[05:27.600 -> 05:28.920] months before I got there,
[05:28.920 -> 05:30.740] they sent me a whole GT set up
[05:30.740 -> 05:33.200] and I had an unbelievable racing instructor,
[05:33.200 -> 05:35.800] David Perel, who had a very similar story to Jan,
[05:35.800 -> 05:38.120] was a sim racer and I raced this for Ferrari.
[05:38.120 -> 05:40.520] And we would just, every single day,
[05:40.520 -> 05:42.660] we would just practice, practice, practice,
[05:42.660 -> 05:46.500] because it is all, it's just repetition with GT
[05:46.500 -> 05:48.760] and just learning those tracks and learning those corners.
[05:48.760 -> 05:50.600] And I would have him, when I was in the car,
[05:50.600 -> 05:53.900] I'd have him in one ear, reminding me like hand placements
[05:53.900 -> 05:57.800] and just anything that I needed to do
[05:57.800 -> 06:00.700] to make him more believable, I was constantly being told.
[06:00.700 -> 06:07.160] And then, yeah, the car, the car, the car, the car, the car.
[06:07.160 -> 06:12.480] Just it was just it was I don't know how much money you were paying me to do it
[06:12.480 -> 06:16.680] again but it's I'm glad I did it the films definitely worth it.
[06:16.680 -> 06:20.440] I'm sort of disappointed like Archie that was such good acting how did they
[06:20.440 -> 06:28.320] recreate that? Well they threw me around in a sports car until I was terrified. Basically, it was not, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
[06:28.320 -> 06:30.720] There was no acting, like it's all my sweat.
[06:30.720 -> 06:32.680] It's all that G-force.
[06:32.680 -> 06:35.360] When my face moves, it's because my face is moving
[06:35.360 -> 06:37.880] at 160, 170 miles an hour.
[06:37.880 -> 06:39.720] It was just ridiculous craziness.
[06:39.720 -> 06:42.800] And, yeah, how close to real was that?
[06:42.800 -> 06:44.500] Because obviously you would have faced that shock
[06:44.500 -> 06:47.120] from a sim rig into real life race cars.
[06:47.120 -> 06:51.280] The film really portrays it as, oh dear, what have I got myself into?
[06:52.000 -> 06:59.840] Yes, however, you know, getting into GT Academy and winning it, my mindset was,
[06:59.840 -> 07:06.560] okay, whatever is required of me to be the best I can be in racing with all my mentors,
[07:06.560 -> 07:08.060] I'm going to have to do that.
[07:08.060 -> 07:09.060] It's fine.
[07:09.060 -> 07:10.060] Let's go for that.
[07:10.060 -> 07:11.960] So yes, it's extremely taxing on the body.
[07:11.960 -> 07:18.560] Yes, it's very intense with press, very intense with racing on circuits.
[07:18.560 -> 07:25.000] You have rivals, you have the self-evaluation, the self-doubt at times as well, everything.
[07:25.000 -> 07:32.000] So it's, but I was prepared for that because this is what I want to do with my life, it gives me purpose.
[07:32.000 -> 07:37.000] So with all that going on, actually driving the car, the bit you love, was probably, you know,
[07:37.000 -> 07:40.000] you get in the car and go, okay, well I've got this bit, I know what I'm doing here.
[07:40.000 -> 07:44.000] So you know, there's a saying in, it was talked to a lot of drivers,
[07:44.000 -> 07:46.280] and before the race there's
[07:46.280 -> 07:50.160] so much stuff you've got to do and the moment where it's the most peaceful, most calm is
[07:50.160 -> 07:52.080] the moment just before the start of the race.
[07:52.080 -> 07:57.760] You put on your helmet, everybody goes away, all the team go away, all the press go away,
[07:57.760 -> 08:02.680] all the mechanics and interviewers and it's just you strapped in your car, really tight
[08:02.680 -> 08:05.200] with your helmet on, it's just like ah. Engines just about to get, engines on, you're your helmet on it's just like ah engines just
[08:05.200 -> 08:11.280] about to get engines on you're not yet racing but it's like ah finally I can do what I want to do
[08:11.840 -> 08:18.640] and do the best thing and it's it for me it's it's bliss it really is bliss it's the best best.
[08:18.640 -> 08:26.640] What how did you rate Archie once he you know got thrown in the cars and got given his sim rig? So, Archie, seeing what
[08:26.640 -> 08:35.440] he went through, you know, Archie, these cars are small, they're not big cars and they're made out
[08:35.440 -> 08:42.800] of carbon and usually, well, all the time, when a driver sits in the car we have a seat, a nice kind
[08:42.800 -> 08:47.680] of foam padded seat. Archie's very tall. Archie could
[08:47.680 -> 08:53.480] use one of those seats so he sat on bare carbon going at that speed being strapped in so he's
[08:53.480 -> 08:59.040] feeling everything. Oh to make him shorter? What in order for him to fit in the car without
[08:59.040 -> 09:04.960] the helmet. Oh wow. The helmet was touching at some point has to sit on on dry carbon
[09:04.960 -> 09:05.000] so you know what a race car is like it's millimetres from the ground he's feeling everything through the helmet was touching at some point, has to sit on dry carbon.
[09:05.000 -> 09:06.320] So you know what a race car is like,
[09:06.320 -> 09:07.720] it's millimeters from the ground,
[09:07.720 -> 09:11.400] he's feeling everything through a carbon chassis,
[09:11.400 -> 09:14.000] no compression or anything,
[09:14.000 -> 09:15.160] and he's acting as well,
[09:15.160 -> 09:17.440] and he needs to know where the corners go,
[09:17.440 -> 09:21.200] and got lines, he's very claustrophobic
[09:21.200 -> 09:22.080] in the name of the cameras,
[09:22.080 -> 09:24.360] so I have massive, he has respect for me,
[09:24.360 -> 09:27.400] I have huge respect for you doing that,
[09:27.400 -> 09:32.320] because you looked like you'd been through some tough stuff.
[09:32.320 -> 09:36.680] I've been through the worst I truly had, but we're on the other side.
[09:36.680 -> 09:40.720] Well, as a 5'7 gentleman, I'm glad you were uncomfortable in that car
[09:40.720 -> 09:43.920] and hit your head on the cockpit. That makes me feel really happy.
[09:43.920 -> 09:46.240] Hey, who's going to hate? I don't know what to tell you.
[09:46.240 -> 09:47.080] I don't know what to tell you.
[09:47.080 -> 09:48.580] I tell you what, Archie,
[09:48.580 -> 09:50.040] people are gonna see you in this film
[09:50.040 -> 09:52.000] and they're gonna want you in their movies.
[09:52.000 -> 09:54.940] But this young, this early in your career,
[09:54.940 -> 09:58.400] working with huge stars like Orlando Bloom,
[09:58.400 -> 10:00.740] I wanna ask you, what's he like to work with?
[10:00.740 -> 10:03.040] Because he's talented, charming,
[10:03.040 -> 10:08.480] ridiculously good looking, even in his 40s. Give me something, tell me he had like milk breath or something.
[10:08.480 -> 10:13.480] I don't know what to tell you about it, he's lovely. I mean, I just is and I'm sorry it's
[10:13.480 -> 10:18.160] true like everyone is, at the end of the day when you get, everyone's at work and you know
[10:18.160 -> 10:25.840] everyone cares, especially on a film like this, it was a lovely thing. Everybody just really was so excited to be there
[10:25.960 -> 10:30.040] and everyone just, everyone was just on great form.
[10:30.040 -> 10:31.860] It was just so lovely.
[10:31.860 -> 10:36.360] So there was no, you know, there's no time to worry about
[10:38.180 -> 10:41.400] who somebody is or what somebody's done or et cetera.
[10:41.400 -> 10:43.200] Everyone is just locked into character
[10:43.200 -> 10:53.080] and how do we make this film the best film it could possibly be? So all of that stuff goes out the window pretty quickly.
[10:53.080 -> 10:56.800] Everyone was lovely because Jemaine Hansot completely, I hope this is not a spoiler,
[10:56.800 -> 11:02.040] but I completely believed him as like the stern dad. I can't imagine that...
[11:02.040 -> 11:04.760] Kindest man in the world.
[11:04.760 -> 11:06.160] So they say cut?
[11:06.720 -> 11:12.440] And he is just smiling, laughing. I mean he, you could not find a nicer human.
[11:12.880 -> 11:14.880] Truly, he is the loveliest,
[11:15.320 -> 11:19.080] loveliest person. I would work with him again and again and again. He is just great.
[11:20.040 -> 11:25.840] There's a great dynamic between, between all of you and of course, you know, my kids got very excited
[11:25.840 -> 11:29.980] I haven't seen it but Stranger Things, the dad in that, and when you've got like a
[11:31.040 -> 11:35.800] mentor guiding someone through and you realise that, you know, people are trying to impart knowledge
[11:35.800 -> 11:38.320] but also they've got their own stories as well.
[11:38.720 -> 11:45.920] Yeah, that's the really lovely clever thing about the script is, you know, it's an underdog
[11:43.920 -> 11:48.400] story for Jan but it's also an underdog
[11:45.920 -> 11:50.080] story for Jack and they kind of find
[11:48.400 -> 11:53.440] this harmony between the two of them
[11:50.080 -> 11:54.840] through that together. It's lovely. It
[11:53.440 -> 11:57.000] really was and I'm gonna get a bit
[11:54.840 -> 11:59.760] Star Trek convention-y here for Jan.
[11:57.000 -> 12:04.160] You know when they say in episode 54 the
[11:59.760 -> 12:06.840] the laser light from the photons, okay, in
[12:04.160 -> 12:08.040] the movie Archie's using a Logitech CSL direct drive,
[12:08.040 -> 12:08.960] which is at the moment,
[12:08.960 -> 12:11.460] it's really good value entry level direct drive,
[12:11.460 -> 12:13.400] about five or eight newton meters of force feedback,
[12:13.400 -> 12:14.480] which is significant.
[12:14.480 -> 12:16.360] You can feel the feedback from the tires.
[12:16.360 -> 12:18.240] But when you were starting out doing sim racing,
[12:18.240 -> 12:20.000] and this was all around 2010,
[12:20.000 -> 12:21.580] like you didn't have access to anything
[12:21.580 -> 12:22.760] probably as good as that.
[12:22.760 -> 12:30.000] So I had access to a Fanatec 2S wheel, which was belt driven.
[12:30.000 -> 12:33.000] Belt, right. So that's less force.
[12:33.000 -> 12:35.000] Yeah, I had that less than six months.
[12:35.000 -> 12:39.000] So I'd only had a wheel six months when I entered GT Academy.
[12:39.000 -> 12:46.600] And I only had that wheel and pedals because I was so fed up of playing with the controller that I wanted
[12:46.600 -> 12:52.200] to take the experience to the next level. So with the money that I had as a gift, well,
[12:52.200 -> 12:58.600] not as a gift, but my GCSE results, my A-level results, my parents gave me some money thanks
[12:58.600 -> 13:05.640] to my kind of average results. I used that £300 to buy this wheel and pedals and the frame that I
[13:05.640 -> 13:10.960] used to qualify I built back in school which is represented in the... You see in
[13:10.960 -> 13:15.760] the film the frame that's it is exact... is it the actual one or a replica? No
[13:15.760 -> 13:20.800] it's a replica. It's the exact replica, literally the exact replica. And it's painted in a
[13:20.800 -> 13:25.800] certain way as well because I designed it in school, and halfway outside of school,
[13:25.800 -> 13:28.480] because I was adamant I wanted my own rig.
[13:28.480 -> 13:32.120] And it's painted, the design brief given to me
[13:32.120 -> 13:34.080] while I was in school was design something
[13:34.080 -> 13:35.680] in an art deco style.
[13:35.680 -> 13:37.920] I'd already designed it, but I was like,
[13:37.920 -> 13:39.480] oh, okay, how can I make this art deco?
[13:39.480 -> 13:42.560] Okay, I'll just paint it in some weird art deco style.
[13:42.560 -> 13:44.920] And it's exactly the same as it is in the movie.
[13:44.920 -> 13:45.840] So I'm very happy about that.
[13:45.840 -> 13:46.880] Had he only got a B?
[13:46.880 -> 13:47.600] I don't know.
[13:47.600 -> 13:48.560] Had he got a B?
[13:48.560 -> 13:50.400] Ridiculous, changed his life and he got a B.
[13:51.200 -> 13:54.800] To be honest, I'm glad the story went that way because when you sort of paused for a moment,
[13:54.800 -> 13:56.720] I thought it was going to be, well, I robbed it.
[13:56.720 -> 14:01.440] So I'm glad it had a happier ending than that because obviously there's some scenes with Archie
[14:01.440 -> 14:08.840] getting in a little bit of trouble and having to use his driving skills to get out of them. Was any of that, you know, was that real, Jan? Were you a bit
[14:08.840 -> 14:11.400] of a maverick?
[14:11.400 -> 14:18.680] The stuff has happened before GT Academy with friends. That's exact, maybe not, but with
[14:18.680 -> 14:23.240] the police, yeah, things have happened.
[14:23.240 -> 14:24.240] We've all got history.
[14:24.240 -> 14:27.000] Well it made for a fun start to the film.
[14:27.000 -> 14:28.000] Yeah.
[14:28.000 -> 14:30.040] Yeah, it's really good.
[14:30.040 -> 14:33.840] And one of the things about the film is it's an assault on the senses.
[14:33.840 -> 14:38.720] It really focuses in on the car, actually, and it's all about being in the car, having
[14:38.720 -> 14:45.360] those lines in front of you and imagining the racing line that you'd see on your PlayStation
[14:45.360 -> 14:47.000] and trying to adapt that to track.
[14:47.000 -> 14:49.280] But I just loved, that's not really a question, is it?
[14:49.280 -> 14:52.280] I loved the fact that it was just a pure motorsport
[14:52.280 -> 14:54.640] assault on you in your cinema seat.
[14:54.640 -> 14:59.280] Yeah, that's the genius of Neil Blomkamp.
[14:59.280 -> 15:03.400] I think he was so adamant,
[15:03.400 -> 15:04.960] that's part of the reason why he wanted everything
[15:04.960 -> 15:06.000] to be done practically reason why he wanted everything to be done practically
[15:06.000 -> 15:13.240] because he wanted everything to feel so real. He wanted you to feel the heat, feel the speed
[15:13.240 -> 15:18.960] and I think you really do. I mean it's kudos to him and the unbelievable DP and the camo
[15:18.960 -> 15:25.280] ops, we just were able to get in so close to really feel to really feel
[15:25.280 -> 15:30.560] every kind of every breath of those cars it's amazing. And I know there's going to
[15:30.560 -> 15:34.520] be some wish fulfillment here for from my viewers and listeners looking at Jan's
[15:34.520 -> 15:38.920] story and so we were talking about your your belt-driven wheel when you got on
[15:38.920 -> 15:44.640] track how much of your sim racing experience and how you felt your belt
[15:44.640 -> 15:45.420] driven wheel in your hands how much of that helped you experience and how you felt your belt driven wheel in your
[15:45.420 -> 15:50.040] hands, how much of that helped you when you got in the car or did you go, oh wow, no,
[15:50.040 -> 15:51.040] this is totally different?
[15:51.040 -> 15:52.460] Well, it's all I had.
[15:52.460 -> 15:58.680] So I was surprised how normal it felt, the transition going from, say, that to jumping
[15:58.680 -> 16:04.700] in the GTR at Silverstone for the first time, knowing the circuit, that's something I've
[16:04.700 -> 16:05.600] just realised as well. I knew
[16:06.160 -> 16:13.760] Silverstone like I do today. But the way the car handled, the way the car would pitch and yaw in
[16:13.760 -> 16:18.560] corners, your throttle braking puts, your steering, it's all, that's all I had. I never did
[16:18.560 -> 16:27.000] karting or anything like that. The only added sensation which I needed to tune with what I was getting through my hands
[16:27.000 -> 16:30.120] was the vibration through my backside and my back.
[16:30.120 -> 16:35.360] It was combining that, that added sensation, and trying to align it with my vision and
[16:35.360 -> 16:36.680] what I'm feeling through my hands.
[16:36.680 -> 16:43.440] That took, that's not easy to develop straight away, so it took a while to trust it as well.
[16:43.440 -> 16:47.080] To know where the limit is, you have to go over it and kind of peg it back.
[16:47.080 -> 16:50.480] And just to get those senses in a line, it's a bit of a journey,
[16:50.480 -> 16:52.320] and especially with the eyes as well.
[16:52.320 -> 16:56.080] So, but the way the car acts,
[16:57.080 -> 17:00.120] it's, I was kind of like, it's working.
[17:00.120 -> 17:01.280] I could have to do this.
[17:01.280 -> 17:02.360] The car normally does this.
[17:02.360 -> 17:03.760] OK, it's doing this in real life.
[17:03.760 -> 17:08.680] OK, cool. I can trust that. I'll remember normally does this okay, it's doing this in real life. Okay, cool I can trust that I'll remember that nice and it just worked, you know and
[17:09.440 -> 17:12.920] Now people would take it not granted, but they just assume yeah
[17:12.920 -> 17:19.160] If I drive this particular car on here, it's gonna behave exactly that in real life and it does that's just testament to
[17:21.600 -> 17:23.600] The
[17:23.640 -> 17:28.640] Technology of Gran Turismo with the attention to detail that they have.
[17:28.640 -> 17:34.400] So I'm no good, but I have had a driver coach teach me how to detect understeer, oversteer
[17:34.400 -> 17:37.560] when I'm in the car. You know, it goes light, you're understeering and you can feel the
[17:37.560 -> 17:41.320] grip up as you get to the edge of adhesion. And when I've taken that onto a kart track,
[17:41.320 -> 17:47.480] I've literally gone, wow, it feels like that. And you just go, oh, my goodness, you know, the sim isn't a complete,
[17:47.560 -> 17:49.200] complete waste of time, Nick.
[17:49.200 -> 17:49.960] What would you know?
[17:50.440 -> 17:55.520] But one line in the movie, I need to know whose idea this was, is when, Archie,
[17:55.760 -> 18:02.080] you corrected a friend in the movie that it's not a game, it's a sim.
[18:02.160 -> 18:06.200] And that is something all our sim races say at home over and over again.
[18:06.200 -> 18:07.960] And I run these big tournaments
[18:07.960 -> 18:09.680] and there's 200 people there,
[18:09.680 -> 18:11.240] they're all treating it seriously.
[18:11.240 -> 18:12.060] And my wife will say,
[18:12.060 -> 18:14.520] are you off to play your little game?
[18:14.520 -> 18:16.000] And you go, no, it's not a game, it's a sim.
[18:16.000 -> 18:17.120] But whose idea was that?
[18:17.120 -> 18:19.360] I'm guessing that was either Jason or Zach.
[18:19.360 -> 18:21.200] So I don't think that was improvised.
[18:21.200 -> 18:22.880] I think that was in there the entire time.
[18:22.880 -> 18:31.920] Yeah, it's a conversation we've had as well in person with Jason. It's a sim. It needs to be
[18:31.920 -> 18:40.240] a sim. It's not a game. It's not arcade. It's not something you... it's a simulator. So yes,
[18:40.240 -> 18:46.240] that was in there. To Jan, to Archie, on behalf of,
[18:46.240 -> 18:48.280] I'm gonna speak for the whole sim racing community,
[18:48.280 -> 18:49.800] thank you for making this movie,
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