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[00:55.760 -> 01:15.520] fantasy sports made easy. You are listening to missed apex podcast we live at one
[01:15.520 -> 01:22.080] welcome to missed apex podcast and this is in some ways a live show as I'm
[01:22.080 -> 01:26.060] joined by four of the missed apex panel first of
[01:26.060 -> 01:32.300] whom is Matt Trumbiss. How's it going there Matt? Summer break in spring what is
[01:32.300 -> 01:36.580] happening? Yeah man and you are here I can touch you with my hand look I'm
[01:36.580 -> 01:42.260] jabbing you right now. That's gonna be a lawsuit. Yeah so Matt is here in England
[01:42.260 -> 01:47.920] and welcome to England firstly I hope you're enjoying our rain and our shoddy public transport.
[01:48.040 -> 01:52.480] I am. I was just talking about it with the patrons on the Slack commentary
[01:52.480 -> 01:56.640] that not only did I get a small gale the size of a large gale
[01:56.640 -> 02:00.680] ruining my plans on Wednesday, but subsequently I had a train disruption
[02:00.680 -> 02:02.560] ruining my plans on a Thursday.
[02:02.560 -> 02:06.120] So I'm impressed that the country managed to get me here today.
[02:06.120 -> 02:10.280] But nothing will get in the way of our plans to discuss the F1 news this week.
[02:10.280 -> 02:13.960] We are joined by our race analyst, Gene Zee Van Gene.
[02:13.960 -> 02:14.480] Hello, Alex.
[02:14.480 -> 02:14.960] Hello.
[02:14.960 -> 02:17.520] I can see you in real life.
[02:17.520 -> 02:21.200] I'm the first time in the shed and I'm very, very happy to be here.
[02:21.200 -> 02:23.080] Yeah, and I have.
[02:23.080 -> 02:25.520] This is the first time I've ever invited you to my home,
[02:25.520 -> 02:28.340] or in fact, anyone, for the last six years.
[02:28.340 -> 02:29.660] And you've instantly reminded me
[02:29.660 -> 02:31.900] why I don't want people around my house.
[02:31.900 -> 02:35.540] You've criticized my brake setup, the way I run my sim.
[02:35.540 -> 02:37.000] It's mostly sim related.
[02:37.000 -> 02:37.840] It is mostly sim related.
[02:37.840 -> 02:39.660] However, what you don't realize
[02:39.660 -> 02:42.920] is if you let us correct those things, you'll go faster.
[02:42.920 -> 02:43.760] Okay.
[02:43.760 -> 02:45.440] And I think that will upset Matt more than anybody else.
[02:45.440 -> 02:47.080] Okay, so while I ingest the horror
[02:47.080 -> 02:49.080] of having real human beings in my house,
[02:49.080 -> 02:50.640] let's bring on our third panelist.
[02:50.640 -> 02:52.400] We have got TikTok sensation,
[02:52.400 -> 02:54.000] Antonia Rankin here with us.
[02:54.000 -> 02:54.840] Hello, Antonia.
[02:54.840 -> 02:57.880] Hi, yeah, I'm in the podcasting shed voluntarily
[02:57.880 -> 03:00.160] and I'm not being kept here against my will.
[03:00.160 -> 03:02.040] Please stop making kidnap jokes.
[03:02.040 -> 03:05.000] Somebody will call the police.
[03:05.000 -> 03:07.000] And shouting from the gallery as well,
[03:07.000 -> 03:09.000] we're pleased that Kyle Power is joining us too.
[03:09.000 -> 03:10.000] Hey Kyle.
[03:10.000 -> 03:12.000] Hey man, nice to be sat here on the edge.
[03:12.000 -> 03:16.000] I will maybe interject with some very insightful
[03:16.000 -> 03:18.000] and definitely not offensive comments later on.
[03:18.000 -> 03:21.000] Okay, so my main job for you Kyle, if that's okay,
[03:21.000 -> 03:23.000] is keep us topped up with whiskey
[03:23.000 -> 03:24.000] and just listen to the topics
[03:24.000 -> 03:28.640] and let the anger start to brew through you and when you feel you're at bursting
[03:28.640 -> 03:33.560] point feel free to jump in. He's been demoted to showrunner basically. Angry
[03:33.560 -> 03:38.160] showrunner that can explode at any moment. Let's get on with the Big Dirty
[03:38.160 -> 03:43.520] News. Big Dirty News
[03:42.000 -> 03:47.200] Big Dirty News
[03:52.560 -> 03:56.200] I think the first topic on the Big Dirty News, Matt, is why on earth is there no Formula One? We've now gone 47 weeks without an F1 race and I'm sad.
[03:56.560 -> 04:01.960] Look how desperate I am that I've brought the Missed Apex panel to my home where I ablute
[04:02.480 -> 04:07.120] in boredom because there is no Formula One. Four weeks is too
[04:07.120 -> 04:10.760] much but already people are starting to say, well, maybe we should do this every single
[04:10.760 -> 04:11.760] year.
[04:11.760 -> 04:16.880] Well, it's an interesting turn of events that was really predicated on the fact that
[04:16.880 -> 04:22.880] China decided they didn't want a race after all. And Formula One decided that they didn't
[04:22.880 -> 04:25.920] want to bother replacing the race that China
[04:25.920 -> 04:27.460] wasn't going to have.
[04:27.460 -> 04:30.440] And then the teams probably looked at it and said, Hey, you know what?
[04:30.440 -> 04:36.940] A four week break after the first three races might be kind of useful because that's actually
[04:36.940 -> 04:40.120] longer than the officially specified summer break.
[04:40.120 -> 04:45.840] But the advantage that the teams can be made to work day and night solving problems.
[04:45.840 -> 04:49.840] Yeah, and the thing is now we've got more time for the teams to solve problems.
[04:49.840 -> 04:53.920] I suppose Red Bull is the only team that is probably sitting there going, oh man, let's
[04:53.920 -> 04:56.800] just keep racing while we've got this advantage.
[04:56.800 -> 05:01.660] They're there with abacuses and slide rules because they can't use their computers anymore
[05:01.660 -> 05:03.000] due to the penalty.
[05:03.000 -> 05:06.600] Just making more and more chicken wings and stuff.
[05:06.600 -> 05:07.760] Eggplant sandwiches.
[05:07.760 -> 05:09.440] But no, I'm very much missing F1.
[05:09.440 -> 05:10.520] I'm like, oh, it's race week.
[05:10.520 -> 05:11.280] Oh, no, it's not.
[05:11.280 -> 05:13.280] And I'm really gutted that we haven't got China,
[05:13.280 -> 05:17.080] because the Chinese Grand Prix is one of my favorite circuits.
[05:17.080 -> 05:17.580] Yes.
[05:17.580 -> 05:20.240] It always produces such awesome racing.
[05:20.240 -> 05:22.440] And I was really excited to have it back after, what,
[05:22.440 -> 05:24.680] three years that it's been off the calendar.
[05:24.680 -> 05:27.080] And then it gets cruelly taken away from us.
[05:27.080 -> 05:28.520] So a bit of a tangent really,
[05:28.520 -> 05:30.520] because there's two tracks that we're missing
[05:30.520 -> 05:31.960] from that part of the world as well,
[05:31.960 -> 05:34.840] with Sepang, the Malaysian Grand Prix and China.
[05:34.840 -> 05:36.800] And when people start complaining about
[05:36.800 -> 05:39.940] the new Tilka Drome tracks,
[05:39.940 -> 05:41.600] you look at those two and you go, my goodness,
[05:41.600 -> 05:49.480] those are tracks that are so suited to the modern F1 car that have really interesting things. So that double straight in Malaysia,
[05:49.480 -> 05:54.440] in Sepang, if you remember 2013, Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton there, where eventually,
[05:54.440 -> 05:59.320] yeah, they were swapping so often, just had to stop and say, Nico, do you not realize
[05:59.320 -> 06:04.180] how much we just paid for McLaren's superstar driver? Could you please chill out? And then
[06:04.180 -> 06:05.040] Hamilton looking so embarrassed on the podium chill out? And then Hamilton looking
[06:05.040 -> 06:10.000] so embarrassed on the podium after that. And then China, I think just turn one in China
[06:10.000 -> 06:14.800] with that decreasing radius, right hander going out into the left hander.
[06:14.800 -> 06:16.480] Was it Kvyat and Vettel?
[06:16.480 -> 06:17.480] Yes!
[06:17.480 -> 06:19.440] Where he got the torpedo moniker.
[06:19.440 -> 06:21.640] Indeed, yeah, I love that turn.
[06:21.640 -> 06:22.640] Gonkha.
[06:22.640 -> 06:26.000] But it wasn't actually a bad move. Looking back, like Vettel blamed him.
[06:26.000 -> 06:30.000] Kvyat got a lot of stick for that move, but it was never actually a bad move.
[06:30.000 -> 06:36.000] He actually put up – and it was Vettel overreacting to his move that actually created the problem
[06:36.000 -> 06:37.000] where he hit Kimi.
[06:37.000 -> 06:42.000] Yeah, and this actually was before the days of whose fault was it.
[06:42.000 -> 06:43.000] But I agree with you.
[06:43.000 -> 06:45.440] The more I looked at it, the more I really felt
[06:45.540 -> 06:46.640] like it was Vettel.
[06:47.240 -> 06:50.340] Much like Alonso on signs could be argued on Australia,
[06:50.440 -> 06:52.380] it was a very similar kind of thing,
[06:52.480 -> 06:55.180] where Kvyat was really, at best,
[06:55.280 -> 06:58.580] it was a proper start of the race racing incident,
[06:58.680 -> 07:01.760] and probably a bit on Vettel, if you ask me,
[07:01.860 -> 07:04.220] based on my memory and not actually looking at things.
[07:04.320 -> 07:10.240] But that really was the start of the end for him at Red Bull.
[07:10.240 -> 07:16.320] I think it was more the fact that Vettel was annoyed that he hit his own teammate. I think
[07:16.320 -> 07:20.520] that was more the point, the fact that he swerved out and it's caused both his teams,
[07:20.520 -> 07:25.680] both his cars, both cars in his team damage. He was saying that if he hadn't moved,
[07:25.680 -> 07:26.800] Kvyat probably would have hit him,
[07:26.800 -> 07:28.440] which may have been accurate,
[07:28.440 -> 07:30.500] but it's a first lap incident.
[07:30.500 -> 07:33.100] If you leave a door open that wide like he did,
[07:33.100 -> 07:35.960] someone like Kvyat who has a point to prove
[07:35.960 -> 07:37.720] is going to try and shove himself in it.
[07:37.720 -> 07:39.960] And actually that was like the end of Kvyat's career
[07:39.960 -> 07:40.800] in a way, isn't it?
[07:40.800 -> 07:42.440] Because he got deemed to have been
[07:42.440 -> 07:44.120] like too much of a ping pong ball.
[07:44.120 -> 07:48.680] And that is what unleashed Verstappen. And Antonia, were you watching around then?
[07:48.680 -> 07:53.040] God, I must have been. I think my dad's been forcing me for long enough, yeah. But no,
[07:53.040 -> 07:56.360] the point here being, there's a lot of circuits that we're missing from the calendar that
[07:56.360 -> 08:00.080] have historically brought us such fantastic races. I mean, for me, Hockenheim is a really
[08:00.080 -> 08:08.760] big one. I'd kill to have a German Grand Prix. I don't know why we don't have one. But there's a lot of circuits where actually I would put them on the calendar that we don't
[08:08.760 -> 08:15.420] have right now. I mean, South Africa, Hockenheim, there's so many aside from just the Chinese
[08:15.420 -> 08:18.920] Grand Prix that we've been unfortunate enough to lose this year.
[08:18.920 -> 08:22.880] The two German tracks, just the Nürburgring and the Hockenheim, and the Hockenheim, the
[08:22.880 -> 08:26.040] Nürburgring and Hockenheim themselves are two absolutely phenomenal
[08:26.040 -> 08:26.440] circuits.
[08:26.440 -> 08:28.320] The reason we don't have the German Grand Prix
[08:28.320 -> 08:30.720] is the Germans have turned off Formula One.
[08:30.720 -> 08:33.120] They haven't got a hero to cheer for anymore.
[08:33.120 -> 08:39.000] They never took Seb Vettel on as a hero after losing Schumacher,
[08:39.000 -> 08:40.840] and it just never came back.
[08:40.840 -> 08:43.440] So it was never a financially viable option for them.
[08:43.440 -> 08:47.520] So the narrative that I always get spun is that Michael Schumacher really appealed to
[08:47.520 -> 08:49.840] like working class German fans.
[08:49.840 -> 08:50.840] Yeah.
[08:50.840 -> 08:56.040] And that Vettel was seen as, maddeningly now, seen as a little bit more of a rich kid or
[08:56.040 -> 09:03.280] a middle class kid but if you compare him to Lando Norris, Latifi, Sargent, really Vettel
[09:03.280 -> 09:06.000] could be argued to be, you know, very much making
[09:06.000 -> 09:10.880] F1 look like a meritocracy from the background he came from. But for some reason, Antonia,
[09:10.880 -> 09:15.400] they never quite adapted to him. And then with Schumacher out, you know, you from a
[09:15.400 -> 09:21.160] marketing point of view, F1 is a bit vulnerable to does that market have a home fan to cheer
[09:21.160 -> 09:22.160] for?
[09:22.160 -> 09:26.120] Oh, for sure. Exactly. And I think one of the reasons that Lewis Hamilton is such a
[09:26.120 -> 09:30.440] huge hit is people respect his journey as a driver and as a person to the position he's
[09:30.440 -> 09:35.800] in today. But I think looking into the future, generally speaking, money is more than ever
[09:35.800 -> 09:41.760] a huge, huge focus of why drivers get their seats. I mean, there was so much debate last
[09:41.760 -> 09:45.800] year about various drivers being in their seats, whether they
[09:45.800 -> 09:49.120] should have them or not, whether they're pay drivers.
[09:49.120 -> 09:53.400] And I mean, if it's going in that direction with tracks as well, where the money's at,
[09:53.400 -> 09:57.440] you know, obviously, historically, that's always been a thing, whether they can afford
[09:57.440 -> 09:58.760] to host a Grand Prix or not.
[09:58.760 -> 10:00.400] Yeah, and that's what Malaysia is saying.
[10:00.400 -> 10:03.000] We can't afford to do that.
[10:03.000 -> 10:04.800] Sorry, go on, jump in, Kyle.
[10:04.800 -> 10:09.200] Yeah, there's another aspect to the Malaysian Grand Prix bit is the local government, they
[10:09.200 -> 10:13.000] kind of very much fell out of love with Formula One. It wasn't bringing them the revenue that
[10:13.000 -> 10:18.120] they wanted or the exorbitant charges that they were being charged to host it. Motor
[10:18.120 -> 10:22.560] GP, they have fully embraced and that's why they changed the final two corners. Do you
[10:22.560 -> 10:27.120] remember they put this weird camber on? We had it the last season, which I believe was 2017,
[10:27.120 -> 10:28.400] the Formula 1 we had there.
[10:28.400 -> 10:30.440] They had the very strange cambers on the final corners.
[10:30.440 -> 10:31.760] They put that in for the motorbikes
[10:31.760 -> 10:34.160] because the local government very much fell out of love
[10:34.160 -> 10:35.960] for Formula 1 and that's why.
[10:35.960 -> 10:38.240] And I think they tried to use it as a power play
[10:38.240 -> 10:41.000] to get a cheaper deal and they didn't get that cheaper deal
[10:41.000 -> 10:43.000] so they just withdrew Formula 1 from there.
[10:43.000 -> 10:46.900] What have I told you about making my podcast about MotoGP? I'm so sorry.
[10:46.900 -> 10:48.900] Take that microphone away from him.
[10:48.900 -> 10:49.900] I am so sorry. Matt.
[10:49.900 -> 10:56.900] Well, and it's worth getting in. Like, if I'm remembering the timeline correctly, this was still Bernie at the time.
[10:56.900 -> 11:01.900] So, so everyone's favourite game right now is to blame liberty for everything.
[11:01.900 -> 11:07.200] But some things, in fact, go back a bit beyond that.
[11:07.200 -> 11:11.480] Completely agree. I think the current culture of F1 being quote-unquote
[11:11.480 -> 11:16.560] money-centered actually begun in the Eccleston era of Formula One. Very firmly
[11:16.560 -> 11:22.520] actually. Starting with putting F1 on pay-to-view services, you know, for
[11:22.520 -> 11:25.260] example Sky Sports taking it off of various
[11:25.260 -> 11:29.260] TV channels where it was free to access. I think that marked the beginning of a very
[11:29.260 -> 11:35.140] marked era in F1 of going where the money is and upholding the kind of luxury feel of
[11:35.140 -> 11:41.460] the sport. And actually, until Drive to Survive, oh gosh, am I allowed to bring up Drive to
[11:41.460 -> 11:48.840] Survive? I'm sorry. Until Drive to Survive, because this was happening, because F1 was moving more and more towards
[11:48.840 -> 11:54.880] being so money-centred and pay-to-view, viewer numbers had started to dwindle. I mean, it
[11:54.880 -> 11:59.040] was decreasing and decreasing year by year until the release of Drive to Survive in,
[11:59.040 -> 12:00.040] I believe, 2019?
[12:00.040 -> 12:05.520] 2018 was the first season to be covered, released in 2019.
[12:05.520 -> 12:11.800] Yeah, but that's why actually we can't blame Liberty Media for everything or much at all
[12:11.800 -> 12:17.680] because the direction that F1 was headed in anyway, Drive to Survive just made it a viable
[12:17.680 -> 12:23.320] direction because it then had the audience to be able to justify these money-oriented
[12:23.320 -> 12:24.320] decisions.
[12:24.320 -> 12:29.520] Whether you like Liberty or not, whether you like DTS or not, it has undoubtedly brought
[12:29.520 -> 12:35.360] more eyeballs to Formula One, therefore more money, therefore the sport keeps going. And
[12:35.360 -> 12:40.560] it's also put some of the bigger, you know, the bigger oil-rich countries who've put tracks in,
[12:40.560 -> 12:49.360] them putting the money in and spending the amount of money that they have to pay has helped keep places like Silverstone on the calendar. Because if it wasn't for the
[12:49.360 -> 12:53.960] big Saudi money and things like that, we might have lost Silverstone. We might have lost
[12:53.960 -> 12:55.960] some of the other smalls, Hungary for example.
[12:55.960 -> 13:03.040] I've actually heard from people who've done trainings at Silverstone that 100% their fortunes
[13:03.040 -> 13:05.000] reversed with Drive to Survive.
[13:05.580 -> 13:08.360] They went from maybe, as you say, Genesy,
[13:08.360 -> 13:11.440] not making it, not having a chance of making it,
[13:11.440 -> 13:14.400] to just being completely there now
[13:14.400 -> 13:17.400] and able to put on really proper world-class events.
[13:17.400 -> 13:21.800] And it's all because the audience has come
[13:21.800 -> 13:23.180] from Drive to Survive.
[13:23.180 -> 13:25.600] Not that that doesn't bring negatives with it, too,
[13:26.100 -> 13:28.800] because nothing is perfect, but on the whole,
[13:28.900 -> 13:30.500] being able to maintain these tracks
[13:30.600 -> 13:32.100] because we have these audiences now
[13:32.200 -> 13:33.600] is probably a good thing.
[13:34.100 -> 13:35.500] Yeah, I completely agree, I think,
[13:35.600 -> 13:39.300] with the Drive to Survive crowd coming into F1,
[13:39.400 -> 13:43.000] a new era of F1... definitely begun.
[13:43.500 -> 13:46.680] But that being said, the focus of F1 has therefore shifted
[13:46.680 -> 13:53.120] towards the younger audience, which has more of an eye towards the big events and the clashes
[13:53.120 -> 13:57.400] and the drama, you know, and that's not a bad thing necessarily at all. However, in
[13:57.400 -> 14:03.520] my generation, generally, I've noticed compared to the older generations, forgive me, forgive
[14:03.520 -> 14:05.800] me. In his own house!
[14:05.800 -> 14:12.840] There is more of, you know, we like instant gratification in terms of it's fun to watch
[14:12.840 -> 14:17.240] an F1 race where something is constantly happening and I think that's a lot of what the Drive
[14:17.240 -> 14:20.720] to Survive necessarily oriented crowd are looking for.
[14:20.720 -> 14:30.040] Yeah, so look, as much as that might seem stereotypical, there is some truth to the fact that there's a big divide in this room where, like, obviously, like Matt, you're
[14:30.040 -> 14:35.200] about as old as Moses. So you grew up in a world where there was just far less entertainment.
[14:35.200 -> 14:39.300] And it's not unfair to say that there was much less entertainment when Matt was a kid.
[14:39.300 -> 14:43.240] And Matt used to go along the street with a hoop and a stick. And he'd go along pushing
[14:43.240 -> 14:47.200] the hoop and a stick and there'd be an old man in the corner saying, oh these kids staring
[14:47.200 -> 14:50.880] at their hoop and their stick. I'm probably the last generation that grew
[14:50.880 -> 14:54.960] up without screens in front of their face all the time and thankfully I'm the
[14:54.960 -> 14:59.040] last generation whose nights out weren't documented in their 20s so I've gotten
[14:59.040 -> 15:07.680] away with it and just over the table with guys in their late 30s and the appallingly young Antonio Rankin
[15:07.680 -> 15:14.000] who is 19 turning 20 soon. It's not unfair to say that our generation just has lower
[15:14.000 -> 15:18.520] expectations for all out constant action, whereas the bar to entertain someone like
[15:18.520 -> 15:23.080] Ranko, it is a little bit higher. That's your nickname, don't fight it.
[15:23.080 -> 15:26.000] I'm going to fight it a little bit, but I will do so off camera because I have strong
[15:26.000 -> 15:32.160] opinions about that nickname. Yeah, no, and that this isn't me making a sweeping generalisation
[15:32.160 -> 15:37.520] in any negative way to genuinely my generation. It's just a different way of consuming media.
[15:37.520 -> 15:42.240] And I also think if you were to have got into F1 through Dive to Survive, you'll have been
[15:42.240 -> 15:49.920] introduced into the sport through the dramatics. And I'm not at all saying that all fans from Dive to Survive only want the
[15:49.920 -> 15:54.680] drama, only want X, Y, Z. However, I think that's why now looking into the future, there's
[15:54.680 -> 16:00.440] a lot of discussion about sprint races and about changing the formats of the race weekend,
[16:00.440 -> 16:04.880] because that contributes more to the show and makes it more engaging.
[16:04.880 -> 16:09.600] And that's where we're going. And I think Matt, fans like you and I, we do need to concede.
[16:09.600 -> 16:15.680] We've lost this battle. It's never going to go back to nap time Formula One. Formula One is
[16:15.680 -> 16:22.160] never going to be a nap sport again for us. No, and there's no reason for it to with this
[16:22.160 -> 16:25.920] regulation set, with this emphasis on reliability. There's no reason for it to, with this regulation set, with this emphasis on reliability, there's
[16:25.920 -> 16:33.120] no reason for it to be, oh, look, someone is, oh, they've lapped the field three times.
[16:33.120 -> 16:36.880] Half the cars blew up, they lapped the field three times and seven people finished.
[16:36.880 -> 16:40.000] That's no longer the paradigm for this sport, and that's okay.
[16:40.000 -> 16:42.760] Sattler and Waldorf need to get in over there.
[16:42.760 -> 16:46.000] Because you never know when they're going to throw a safety car with six laps to go,
[16:46.000 -> 16:48.640] they decide it's a red flag just to have a sprint race
[16:48.640 -> 16:49.480] at the end of the race.
[16:49.480 -> 16:50.780] We can have this discussion.
[16:50.780 -> 16:54.520] But the other thing where F1 is helping motorsport
[16:54.520 -> 16:56.520] in general, along with all of this,
[16:56.520 -> 16:58.280] I've got perfect anecdote with this,
[16:58.280 -> 17:00.640] a friend of the family, they got into F1
[17:00.640 -> 17:02.000] through Drive to Survive, I mean,
[17:02.000 -> 17:03.640] when I was away with them last year,
[17:03.640 -> 17:06.520] I had to tell them who Jenson Button was. That's how new they are to the sport.
[17:06.520 -> 17:11.880] But they have bought loads and loads of merch, he's bought a sim and doing sim
[17:11.880 -> 17:15.760] racing, he's going go-karting, they've booked a holiday to Spain to go to
[17:15.760 -> 17:19.840] Catalonia and drive an F3 car. Now they never would have done that and that is
[17:19.840 -> 17:25.520] all putting back into motorsport all because of a Netflix TV show.
[17:25.520 -> 17:30.360] Yeah that's a very good point and it's great to have new fans into the sport
[17:30.360 -> 17:35.880] but for the current fans that were already there and Spanner's made a good
[17:35.880 -> 17:41.920] sort of point. I did didn't I? With whatever it was. Too much of a good thing makes the
[17:41.920 -> 17:45.440] thing become less good if you know what I mean. So we kind of said the
[17:45.440 -> 17:51.120] same when it was DRS, so DRS overtakes, there's 30 DRS overtakes, are they as good as one
[17:51.120 -> 17:56.080] genuine overtake? Well, you could argue that until the cows come home, but we have DRS
[17:56.080 -> 18:01.560] now and we're stuck with it. But personally, for me, I don't like the drive to increase
[18:01.560 -> 18:07.860] the number of races. And I've said this numerous times, Grand Prix, Grand Prize, the big prize,
[18:07.860 -> 18:10.000] the name is, the clue is in the name.
[18:10.000 -> 18:13.340] With all these sprint races, trying to dilute it so much,
[18:13.340 -> 18:15.980] to get all these extra fans in and provide explosions
[18:15.980 -> 18:18.900] every five seconds for them, like that really,
[18:18.900 -> 18:21.860] to the point, it gets to the point where, you know,
[18:21.860 -> 18:23.740] we shouldn't dilute the actual product.
[18:23.740 -> 18:25.840] We still have a great product and if you
[18:25.840 -> 18:32.880] have too many, too many good things, it makes them less good. You know what I mean? So we need the,
[18:32.880 -> 18:37.360] we need all, yeah exactly, too much of a good thing and I don't like the drive to increase
[18:37.360 -> 18:41.840] the races because it makes each individual race less special in its own right. All I'll say,
[18:41.840 -> 18:47.320] because I know that there's going to be, maybe and Antonio disagreeing here, is that I would choose to only have
[18:47.320 -> 18:54.480] 16 or 17 races on a weekend, and I know my family would choose that throughout a season.
[18:54.480 -> 19:02.120] But that is my outer sensible me. Like deep down, I do actually want 35 races a year.
[19:02.120 -> 19:04.880] See, I don't. Yeah, well, that's because I'm a better fan
[19:04.880 -> 19:05.200] than you. Oh, you'm a better fan than you.
[19:05.200 -> 19:13.200] Oh, you're a better consumer than me. Take away the whiskey. No, don't you dare.
[19:13.200 -> 19:25.260] No, no, say 20 I think is probably the perfect balance. 16 I think is too less. I remember back in 1999 when it was 16 races and we had a five week gap between the first and the second race and it was hell.
[19:25.260 -> 19:27.260] You're in the water!
[19:27.260 -> 19:29.260] Antonia, Antonia.
[19:29.260 -> 19:35.420] Yeah, going back to what we were saying before, I have to say I love what DTS has done for the sport.
[19:35.420 -> 19:40.500] It's brought so many hugely passionate fans who know their stuff, who genuinely love F1,
[19:40.580 -> 19:45.720] who love the racing, who love the cars, who love, you know, the stories behind
[19:45.720 -> 19:51.880] the drivers. And it's so fantastic to have fans in the sport who care so much about it
[19:51.880 -> 19:57.000] that it's forced us to actually rethink the way we have a sport because it's such a force.
[19:57.000 -> 20:01.840] We need to remind ourselves, to be honest, how privileged we are to have fans who care
[20:01.840 -> 20:06.240] enough about the sport that we want to change it and have more of it and as much
[20:06.240 -> 20:12.720] of it as possible, even if that would mean diluting in some people's words this sport.
[20:13.520 -> 20:16.080] Not to name names, but it was Kyle that said that.
[20:16.080 -> 20:20.560] No, no, Kyle, you're gatekeeping us getting more entertaining.
[20:20.560 -> 20:22.560] Oh, don't you dare.
[20:22.560 -> 20:28.240] No, about 20 races I think is about the sweet spot, is about nice. It's
[20:28.240 -> 20:33.680] not diluting or gatekeeping, trying to make it 25 or 30 races. Go and watch NASCAR.
[20:33.680 -> 20:38.840] I completely, I do completely understand your point from a logistics perspective, from a
[20:38.840 -> 20:43.040] sustainability perspective, but also these poor drivers and teams who have families to
[20:43.040 -> 20:45.240] see and lives to live
[20:48.160 -> 20:52.080] Completely understand. Oh, I don't care about them at all
[20:54.080 -> 21:00.760] They get paid for that Yeah, no, however, I will say I think I really enjoy the concept of f1 being a world championship
[21:00.760 -> 21:04.240] I love the idea that we can have races all over the world
[21:04.240 -> 21:08.520] And that's why I think going into the future we can look at having races appear on a biannual
[21:08.520 -> 21:14.160] basis, you know, races swapping in in the calendar so that we've got one year we have
[21:14.160 -> 21:18.040] Monaco, the next year we don't have it. And then it comes back again every two years.
[21:18.040 -> 21:23.240] Still too much Monaco. I'm a Monaco fan. Do not interrupt my speaking.
[21:23.240 -> 21:25.000] There goes the whole discussion. Have I just completely lost my credibility?
[21:25.000 -> 21:26.000] We're the Monaco side of the room.
[21:26.000 -> 21:27.000] They're the anti-Monaco side of the room.
[21:27.000 -> 21:28.000] You know what, this sounds like a bunch of people who are very bitter not to be going
[21:28.000 -> 21:29.000] to the Grand Prix.
[21:29.000 -> 21:30.000] Look, I'm fine.
[21:30.000 -> 21:31.000] If we go back to cross-ply tires, if we go back to cross-ply tires and cars that aren't
[21:31.000 -> 21:32.000] longer than Ford F-150s, then fine.
[21:32.000 -> 21:33.000] Then fine.
[21:33.000 -> 21:34.000] Okay, okay.
[21:34.000 -> 21:35.000] So, I'm sensing this conversation is stalling, but my point being, my point being, I'm not
[21:35.000 -> 21:36.000] going to be a fan of the F-150s.
[21:36.000 -> 21:37.000] I'm not going to be a fan of the F-150s.
[21:37.000 -> 21:38.000] I'm not going to be a fan of the F-150s.
[21:38.000 -> 21:39.000] I'm not going to be a fan of the F-150s.
[21:39.000 -> 21:40.000] I'm not going to be a fan of the F-150s.
[21:40.000 -> 21:41.000] I'm not going to be a fan of the F-150s.
[21:41.000 -> 21:42.000] I'm not going to be a fan of the F-150s.
[21:42.000 -> 21:43.000] I'm not going to be a fan of the F-150s.
[21:43.000 -> 21:44.000] I'm not going to be a fan of the F-150s.
[21:44.000 -> 21:48.480] I'm not going to be a fan of the F-150s. I'm not going to be a fan of the F-150s. I'm not going to be a fan of the F-150s. I'm not going to be a fan of the F-150s. I'm not going to be a fan of the F-150s, then fine. Then fine. Okay, okay. So I'm sensing this conversation is stalling, but my point
[21:48.480 -> 21:54.640] being, my point being, you know, looking forwards, it would be great to have as
[21:54.640 -> 21:58.960] many races as possible, yeah, but we are so lucky to have such passionate fans
[21:58.960 -> 22:02.040] joining the sport, young fans as well, who are going to love the sport for a
[22:02.040 -> 22:08.920] lifetime. And if that means we have to, you know, some of us veteran supporters have to tolerate
[22:08.920 -> 22:12.200] a few more sprint races, you know what, I'll take it.
[22:12.200 -> 22:13.560] Veteran, she means Yima.
[22:13.560 -> 22:14.600] Yeah, she does.
[22:14.600 -> 22:22.160] So look, 20 races, 24 races, somewhere in there lies a very good balance for the sport.
[22:22.160 -> 22:25.760] But what's interesting to me is where we are with the
[22:25.760 -> 22:32.000] actual sprint race argument now, because it turns out that if you give the teams enough money,
[22:33.040 -> 22:36.720] they're all in favor of the sprint races. But do you know who's still not a fan?
[22:37.360 -> 22:40.640] This is Max Verstappen. And I thought this was hilarious because...
[22:40.640 -> 22:42.240] So interesting, yes.
[22:42.240 -> 22:45.000] Yeah. Well, his point, and I think it's an interesting
[22:45.000 -> 22:51.340] point like like because now they haven't fully confirmed the details. But the plan as far
[22:51.340 -> 22:56.560] as I understand it is for the qualifying Friday to set the grid for Sunday, which was one
[22:56.560 -> 23:01.600] of our biggest complaints here in the shed and that for the sprint race on Saturday to
[23:01.600 -> 23:08.000] be essentially its own event. My only issue, and I think the one tweak they could make,
[23:08.060 -> 23:10.640] is just make it a sprint race championship.
[23:11.040 -> 23:14.280] Don't let the sprint race decide also points for the whole championship,
[23:14.320 -> 23:16.520] especially when it's only six of them a year,
[23:16.560 -> 23:18.040] or however many they're doing this year.
[23:18.400 -> 23:21.220] Just let them have those as their separate championship.
[23:21.240 -> 23:23.760] Then they can do it every single race weekend, as far as I'm concerned,
[23:23.960 -> 23:27.840] if it's its own separate championship, and do it in reverse championship order. But then do we then
[23:27.840 -> 23:33.760] have four co-existing championships? Do we have, do those then they count towards the constructors
[23:33.760 -> 23:38.640] and there's only one constructors but two different drivers championships? I feel like that can very
[23:38.640 -> 23:46.240] quickly get quite, you know, I completely see what you mean because I think it's a different type of racing. But then
[23:46.240 -> 23:50.240] wouldn't that in its, if you're putting a lot of focus on the quick races, is that then
[23:50.240 -> 23:53.440] in itself its own racing series, maybe with different drivers?
[23:53.440 -> 23:58.040] Can we just say quickly that it is a reality now, these sprint races, and when they first
[23:58.040 -> 24:04.480] started doing them, I think we made the point here that this isn't them asking us politely
[24:04.480 -> 24:06.000] whether or not we would like sprint
[24:06.000 -> 24:12.240] racing to be introduced into Formula 1. This is how quickly can we introduce sprint racing
[24:12.240 -> 24:19.600] before people really get upset. So this is the frog in the boiling pot. The norm for
[24:19.600 -> 24:22.960] weekends of F1 are going to involve some kind of smaller race.
[24:22.960 -> 24:25.360] I've decided I'm going to stop crying about
[24:25.360 -> 24:29.200] the fact that F1 is throwing in sprint races. It's not worth it because it will just fall
[24:29.200 -> 24:34.720] on deaf ears and we just sound like the old farts who don't want things to change. But
[24:34.720 -> 24:40.160] they could do it in such a way where it can be less of a gimmick, I think just lobbing it in.
[24:40.160 -> 24:45.160] I mean, the fact that it is three weeks before the race and
[24:50.920 -> 24:51.840] We actually don't know what the format is going to be by the way. Because they don't know. That's excitement
[24:57.380 -> 25:01.460] That's not... that's poor planning. There is nobody who wants that situation to be happening at the moment But Max Verstappen has been basically saying if they keep going on this sprint route, and I'm not enjoying it
[25:01.460 -> 25:05.600] I don't want to be in F1 anymore. Small from Antonia, then Kyle, please.
[25:06.560 -> 25:11.760] I find Max's comments really interesting because on one hand, I completely understand
[25:12.400 -> 25:17.600] where he's coming from. If F1, as he knows and loves it, is changing, as someone who is
[25:18.240 -> 25:22.240] ridiculously good, he very much has the right to be like, well, I don't want to race in that
[25:22.240 -> 25:27.860] because that's not what I signed up for. But in another way, it almost seems like that's him kind of throwing his
[25:27.860 -> 25:33.240] weight around a little bit being like, well, it's you can either have sprint races or you
[25:33.240 -> 25:38.200] can have me pick me, choose me, love me.
[25:38.200 -> 25:41.880] Kyle Power and by the way, lean in a little bit so the camera can see you.
[25:41.880 -> 25:43.720] Come this way. Yeah, there you go. Look, look, look.
[25:43.720 -> 25:44.720] Alex is quite a comfy.
[25:44.720 -> 25:49.520] He makes a good pillow. Gosh, I'll move over you Kyle. Come this way. Yeah there you go. Look, look, look. Alex is quite a comfy. He makes a good pillow. Gosh I'll move over you guys. Kyle Power is now sitting
[25:49.520 -> 25:55.000] on Alex Vanjean's lap. He's still got his hand on my knee. It's not moving while I'm
[25:55.000 -> 26:02.720] in this position. So with the sprint race thing, I can actually be a fan of them. I
[26:02.720 -> 26:05.080] agree with what Alex said,
[26:05.080 -> 26:06.360] even though my hand is on his leg,
[26:06.360 -> 26:08.860] which is a bit awkward, making it so hard to edit.
[26:10.080 -> 26:11.560] Yeah, so they're here to stay,
[26:11.560 -> 26:13.600] so why not make every race?
[26:13.600 -> 26:16.200] So the thing I really have a gripe with,
[26:16.200 -> 26:18.300] the inconsistency, that some races are weighted
[26:18.300 -> 26:20.600] more than others, and it goes to championship,
[26:20.600 -> 26:22.300] and it doesn't really make much sense,
[26:22.300 -> 26:24.120] and it's not really that fair,
[26:24.120 -> 26:29.060] in the fact that some races, some cars cars are more suited to some circuits than others.
[26:29.060 -> 26:33.660] So you're saying that a Mercedes could go to, you know, we're talking yesteryear, so
[26:33.660 -> 26:37.400] Mercedes could go to a Monza and they're going to dominate and that will be a sprint race.
[26:37.400 -> 26:39.060] That's not very fair on Red Bull, is it?
[26:39.060 -> 26:44.900] Equally, if we go to like a Monaco and that's a sprint race, then Monaco, it favours Red
[26:44.900 -> 26:45.200] Bull. So why not make every race a sprint race, then Monaco, it favours Red Bull.
[26:45.200 -> 26:47.620] So why not make every race a sprint race?
[26:47.620 -> 26:49.160] It's here, let's embrace it.
[26:49.160 -> 26:51.440] This is exactly, and I hate to bring this up again,
[26:51.440 -> 26:53.520] but this is exactly what MotoGP have done this year.
[26:53.520 -> 26:55.540] Every single race is a sprint race.
[26:55.540 -> 26:58.520] And it doesn't impact the main Grand Prix race.
[26:58.520 -> 26:59.720] Have you done it again?
[26:59.720 -> 27:00.560] I have done it again.
[27:00.560 -> 27:01.720] He's turned it into the MotoGP.
[27:01.720 -> 27:03.600] It's accentuating my point.
[27:03.600 -> 27:06.960] So basically, every race has a sprint
[27:06.960 -> 27:14.880] race and it doesn't affect the main championship. That's fine. So just don't do it tiny little bits.
[27:15.600 -> 27:21.360] Do it completely or not at all. Either get rid of it or do it totally. Yeah. And the answer is
[27:21.360 -> 27:26.120] totally. That's the spoiler. The answer is totally the sprint schedule is set
[27:26.120 -> 27:33.560] Yeah, and teams who design cars that do crappy at sprint races have written their own ticket
[27:33.560 -> 27:38.080] They have chosen to be better at other circuits like for example
[27:38.080 -> 27:44.800] Back who I believe is the first sprint race and there will be very clearly circuit specific advantage for certain teams Williams
[27:45.920 -> 27:47.840] Triple DRS. Yeah, triple DRS.
[27:47.840 -> 27:50.560] We discussed that on the tech show.
[27:50.560 -> 27:52.720] I was listening to it today, that's why everyone's up.
[27:52.720 -> 27:54.480] But you get my point.
[27:54.480 -> 27:59.520] Like if I'm designing a car and I know the sprint races are going to be these particular
[27:59.520 -> 28:04.960] six tracks and then I design a car that is terrible at those six tracks, why is that
[28:04.960 -> 28:06.200] Formula One's
[28:06.200 -> 28:07.200] fault?
[28:07.200 -> 28:10.920] It seems like to me that's kind of like the team's fault for designing a car that's terrible
[28:10.920 -> 28:14.040] where there's extra points to be won.
[28:14.040 -> 28:15.880] I agree and I disagree.
[28:15.880 -> 28:17.200] I am a big fan of-
[28:17.200 -> 28:18.200] Well now wait a minute.
[28:18.200 -> 28:19.200] Oh goodness.
[28:19.200 -> 28:20.200] I can't have both.
[28:20.200 -> 28:22.520] I know, I'm not allowed to sit on the fence on this show.
[28:22.520 -> 28:23.520] It's difficult.
[28:23.520 -> 28:31.180] I like to please everyone, so here's my two chains of thought. In one mind, I like the standardization format
[28:31.180 -> 28:36.860] wherein yeah, every weekend if we're going to do sprint races, sure, let's do it. Every
[28:36.860 -> 28:42.660] single weekend we have a sprint race and then it's not unfair against any specific teams.
[28:42.660 -> 28:45.100] But then that runs on the other hand that's
[28:45.100 -> 28:50.500] losing f1 as we know it which from a marketing perspective from the fans
[28:50.500 -> 28:54.980] perspective that's just so not ideal because if you change too much of f1 at
[28:54.980 -> 29:00.700] once obviously fans aren't going to react well to that you know because it
[29:00.700 -> 29:03.700] gives them more to do and gives them more to push and puts more eyeballs on
[29:03.700 -> 29:07.680] the sport everything else I agree with the marketing side. Yeah, gold for the marketing
[29:07.680 -> 29:14.040] But also I would hate I would hate for drivers, you know, Max Verstappen has said he doesn't like the format and that's fair enough
[29:14.840 -> 29:21.440] Because if they completely change everything that they also know and love about f1, you know, forget the fans for a second
[29:21.440 -> 29:26.120] bear in mind the drivers what they've raced, what they've trained for their whole lives.
[29:26.120 -> 29:29.800] If we throw in a sprint race as well, and they're against that, we could be at risk
[29:29.800 -> 29:36.560] here of losing generational talents like Verstappen, which would be the biggest, biggest shame.
[29:36.560 -> 29:39.720] I'm sorry that you believe that for even half a second.
[29:39.720 -> 29:44.800] He's not going to walk away until he wins as many championships as Hamilton.
[29:44.800 -> 29:45.320] Really?
[29:45.320 -> 29:46.320] Yeah.
[29:46.320 -> 29:51.460] No, but I do want to bring up, and I think his criticism of the sprint races is fair,
[29:51.460 -> 29:56.800] and I love the fact that years after I said, because I said this very early on, the sprint
[29:56.800 -> 29:58.640] race should be its own championship.
[29:58.640 -> 30:05.560] In the Tour de France, we have the green jersey, we have the yellow jersey, we have the polka
[30:05.560 -> 30:06.560] dot jersey.
[30:06.560 -> 30:08.100] They're their own category.
[30:08.100 -> 30:13.900] Some people race for the overall win, some people race for those specific jerseys, and
[30:13.900 -> 30:20.040] it makes it more exciting because almost every day of the tour, which is 28 days, which is
[30:20.040 -> 30:27.400] more days than we have races in Formula One, there is something that is up for grabs.
[30:27.400 -> 30:30.480] Some jersey could potentially change hands.
[30:30.480 -> 30:33.880] So the idea of the sprint race is its own championship is fun, but I do want to bring
[30:33.880 -> 30:40.180] up Max's criticism, which I do believe is fair, which is that fundamentally, the stress
[30:40.180 -> 30:48.700] that that extra race places on the teams isn't something that these teams were designed to
[30:48.700 -> 30:51.320] deal with long term.
[30:51.320 -> 30:55.560] And his suggestion, and I'm curious to get people's reaction to it, was that if you want
[30:55.560 -> 30:58.780] that, then let's just do Saturday, Sunday.
[30:58.780 -> 31:02.040] One practice, qualifying, race the next day.
[31:02.040 -> 31:04.000] Trevor Burrus Especially because, I mean, the other reason
[31:04.000 -> 31:05.880] I think Max and Red Bull would not want the
[31:05.880 -> 31:09.080] sprint races and extra races thrown in at the moment.
[31:09.080 -> 31:10.080] Perez might win.
[31:10.080 -> 31:16.580] No, well, Perez might win, but also pretty much every single race weekend this year,
[31:16.580 -> 31:19.640] they have had to nurse some sort of issue.
[31:19.640 -> 31:20.640] Gearbox.
[31:20.640 -> 31:27.960] They have what looks like a very sensitive and maybe delicate car, which isn't being pushed,
[31:27.960 -> 31:31.200] but if they are pushed in something like a sprint race,
[31:31.200 -> 31:32.960] where everyone will be hammer and tongs
[31:32.960 -> 31:34.660] straight out the gate,
[31:34.660 -> 31:36.520] that could put them under more pressure.
[31:36.520 -> 31:39.080] But also, I'm assuming if they're gonna do sprint races
[31:39.080 -> 31:39.920] in every single race,
[31:39.920 -> 31:40.840] they're gonna have to do more gearboxes,
[31:40.840 -> 31:41.680] more engines in the location.
[31:41.680 -> 31:43.840] Last quick points, Kyle, then Antonio.
[31:43.840 -> 31:45.920] So going back to Antonio's point you made
[31:46.880 -> 31:49.580] a couple of points ago was that,
[31:49.580 -> 31:51.480] you know, if you start changing around
[31:51.480 -> 31:53.160] with the fundamentals of the sport too much,
[31:53.160 -> 31:55.840] you will start losing the core essence of the sport
[31:55.840 -> 31:57.180] and what the fans are.
[31:57.180 -> 32:01.440] To me, the very introduction of sprint races was that.
[32:01.440 -> 32:04.040] They are here, you've already messed around
[32:04.040 -> 32:06.320] with the fundamentals, that has already happened.
[32:06.600 -> 32:11.760] So, and it's not going away, we know Stefano Dollocali is just cashing in on it all.
[32:11.760 -> 32:14.660] So, we know that's what he wants. Oh, was that a slight slip of tongue?
[32:14.660 -> 32:16.660] Was that? Sorry.
[32:16.660 -> 32:18.660] You've got to be careful, Kyle.
[32:18.660 -> 32:20.660] I can already tell what's about to get edited out of this show.
[32:20.660 -> 32:22.660] The lawyers are already on the phone.
[32:22.660 -> 32:24.660] That has already happened.
[32:24.660 -> 32:26.240] So, and it's not going anywhere. So, this is a big deal. to get edited out of this show.
[32:26.240 -> 32:30.600] That has already happened. So and it's not going anywhere. So this is my original point
[32:30.600 -> 32:36.480] was let's just embrace it. Let's make it straight across the board. Why don't put more merit
[32:36.480 -> 32:40.280] on other races? Let's have a sprint race in every single race. This is me embracing sprint
[32:40.280 -> 32:42.080] races. Let's have them everywhere.
[32:42.080 -> 32:45.120] Yeah, Antonia. And your generation needs to get on board.
[32:45.120 -> 32:48.880] I think my, if I'm completely honest, I think my generation would be very much on board.
[32:48.880 -> 32:50.400] I think your generation caused it.
[32:51.840 -> 32:53.920] I'm sensing some tension here.
[32:53.920 -> 32:58.160] Well, since we're talking generations, it's come to my attention. Some people
[32:59.360 -> 33:04.480] think that Jim Clark is the best driver ever. And that some people in this very shed
[33:06.000 -> 33:08.240] might for some reason disagree with that statement.
[33:08.240 -> 33:11.240] Here we go.
[33:11.240 -> 33:20.200] Hi, my name is Richard Ready and I want to talk to you about an increasing cult that
[33:20.200 -> 33:28.880] is growing within Formula One social media. There is a roving band of 20-somethings
[33:28.880 -> 33:32.860] that are increasingly saying that Jim Clark
[33:32.860 -> 33:36.400] is the greatest driver they have ever seen,
[33:36.400 -> 33:38.120] and Jim Clark is the greatest driver
[33:38.120 -> 33:40.680] that has ever graced Formula One,
[33:40.680 -> 33:48.240] all whilst having been born in 2012, or some such thing. Now, I am not here to tell
[33:48.240 -> 33:54.720] you that Jim Clark was terrible. In fact, I'm far too young at 43, hang on, how old
[33:54.720 -> 33:59.760] am I? 42, to really have a good opinion of what Jim Clark was. I didn't watch it in real
[33:59.760 -> 34:07.680] time, but I have noticed this drumbeat of people who have started making their entire personality that Jim Clark is the greatest ever
[34:08.320 -> 34:13.920] Formula One driver without ever having sat through a Jim Clark race in real time
[34:14.240 -> 34:20.240] So what I would like to get across to my panel here is a simple question
[34:20.240 -> 34:26.600] Is it possible for a driver from the 60s or 70s to compare to modern era drivers?
[34:26.600 -> 34:31.520] Is it possible to compare across the generational gap?
[34:31.520 -> 34:35.640] And is Jim Clark worthy of being put up there?
[34:35.640 -> 34:39.320] Now, there's lots of hands that have gone up around my crew,
[34:39.320 -> 34:47.680] and I will state my initial premise for this, which is deeply unpopular, is that the Lance Stroll
[34:47.680 -> 34:59.600] would probably be better than any driver around the Senna and before era. So you put 22 Lance
[34:59.600 -> 35:05.360] Strolls from this era into an Ayrton Senna championship and Ayrton Senna looks
[35:05.360 -> 35:10.080] ordinary. It's not a popular opinion but it's the one I have. Ranking.
[35:10.080 -> 35:15.280] I'm going to say something that might blow a few minds. Statistics without context
[35:15.280 -> 35:21.080] are just numbers. You can say Jim Clark had this many
[35:21.080 -> 35:29.000] championships, this many pole position to win ratios. That's great, but it's in a completely... it's almost a different sport that we're in now.
[35:29.000 -> 35:35.000] You know, he was one of the greatest at the time, a fantastic driver, deserves every drop of merit,
[35:35.000 -> 35:40.000] legend of our sport, but if you put him in a modern F1 car and said drive...
[35:40.000 -> 35:44.000] First of all, he'd say, how am I here? But secondly...
[35:44.000 -> 35:46.960] He wouldn't have to get out of the pit lane. He wouldn't have the foggiest... Yeah, first of all, he'd say how am I here? But secondly
[35:48.960 -> 35:49.640] Put me back why you people always
[35:54.240 -> 35:54.840] We exactly, you know, we can look at all of these statistics even comparing
[36:02.800 -> 36:05.440] Close eras, you know looking at Verstappen's start his career versus Lewis's start to his career in a spot like F1 where things change so rapidly and with so every single
[36:05.440 -> 36:10.400] season there's advances upon advances, you have to appreciate someone within their own
[36:11.040 -> 36:15.920] own achievements and in their own rights. And I think, you know, it's like we say even on
[36:15.920 -> 36:20.480] day-to-day with races, you can't even compare the drivers who were in different cars in the same
[36:20.480 -> 36:30.640] race because they're in different cars. We say the only way to fairly compare two people is teammates. And back in those days the cars were very very different compared to you know
[36:30.640 -> 36:37.840] the cars are a million times closer than they ever were but every generation of F1 has had its driver
[36:37.840 -> 36:45.640] that has pushed the ability forward. So you have Jim Clark who absolutely at his time was the best in his
[36:45.640 -> 36:51.280] time. He handed that torch over to Jackie Stewart. Then after Jackie Stewart went to
[36:51.280 -> 36:57.040] Niki Lauda. After Niki Lauda it was probably Alain Prost. Alain Prost to Ayrton Senna,
[36:57.040 -> 36:59.440] Ayrton Senna to Schumacher and to the guys we have today.
[36:59.440 -> 37:01.920] Yeah. And all those guys have just...
[37:01.920 -> 37:08.240] Let's add that. Let's add that basically with Schumacher, everybody had to be at least as good as Schumacher
[37:08.240 -> 37:11.000] to be in contention in future generations.
[37:11.000 -> 37:14.780] So I don't wanna say Michael Schumacher was fighting bums,
[37:14.780 -> 37:18.920] but that he made everybody else who he was racing
[37:18.920 -> 37:21.080] seem like bums and change the sport.
[37:21.080 -> 37:23.080] And I think Lewis Hamilton did that too.
[37:23.080 -> 37:26.600] So you've got to now be at least Lewis Hamilton level
[37:26.600 -> 37:29.360] if you've got a chance of breaking in and...
[37:29.360 -> 37:31.960] Question, does anybody in here hold John Alacey
[37:31.960 -> 37:33.520] as one of the greatest drivers of all time?
[37:33.520 -> 37:35.120] No. No, exactly, right?
[37:35.120 -> 37:37.640] So I was listening to an interview with Jonathan Palmer.
[37:37.640 -> 37:39.960] Jonathan Palmer, when he was in F1,
[37:39.960 -> 37:41.640] John Alacey joined his team.
[37:41.640 -> 37:49.440] And by Jonathan Palmer's words words blew Jonathan Palmer away.
[37:49.440 -> 37:54.440] And at that point, Jonathan Palmer knew he was kind of no longer for the sport because
[37:54.440 -> 37:57.000] guys like John Alacey were coming in.
[37:57.000 -> 37:59.080] And then you're getting the people like the Senators and stuff.
[37:59.080 -> 38:02.240] So you're always going to have those people that are going to get better and better and
[38:02.240 -> 38:03.240] better.
[38:03.240 -> 38:09.920] I mean, Jonathan Palmer, perfect example, has an okay F1 CV. He trained as a doctor
[38:10.400 -> 38:16.880] before going anywhere near a racing car. You know, it's the fitness levels that
[38:16.880 -> 38:22.080] you couldn't put a Jim Clark in a car of today because they're just not fit
[38:22.080 -> 38:28.760] enough to deal with those kind of things. The fitness alone, you know, the argument you get from, we're going back to the Jim
[38:28.760 -> 38:35.780] Clark fans that you have at the moment that I have been personally attacked by, they talk
[38:35.780 -> 38:39.760] about, oh, well, he had to, they had to do manual gear shifts and they had to match the
[38:39.760 -> 38:42.920] clutches and all this kind of, and all this kind of stuff. It's like, yeah, okay, but
[38:42.920 -> 38:47.000] the modern drivers are skillful enough. Not only would they be able to deal with that if they had to,
[38:47.000 -> 38:50.000] but they have to control an entire computer while driving
[38:50.000 -> 38:54.000] around a track at 200 miles an hour at 6G, which,
[38:54.000 -> 38:57.000] as far as I'm concerned, is a little bit more difficult
[38:57.000 -> 38:59.000] than having to shift gears.
[38:59.000 -> 39:03.000] Yeah, I think it's a very valid argument.
[39:03.000 -> 39:09.000] I can see why people online would go and look at the LD era and look at the stats.
[39:09.000 -> 39:18.000] I mean, try to go back and watch a full race from the 1960s. You can't. You can't. So it's really hard.
[39:18.000 -> 39:23.000] I do actually have personally some footage of quite a lot of old school races.
[39:23.000 -> 39:28.640] Go and watch Hockenheim, a Hockenheim race in the 90s and sit through that.
[39:28.640 -> 39:29.840] That's the challenge.
[39:29.840 -> 39:30.840] Yeah, exactly.
[39:30.840 -> 39:37.120] So I completely agree that like a course, elder areas, it's the same with tennis or
[39:37.120 -> 39:38.480] most sort of sports.
[39:38.480 -> 39:42.680] But, you know, most sort of physical sports, it evolves.
[39:42.680 -> 39:47.600] People are brought up from a very young kids, you know, back in the 1950s, when Fanjo
[39:47.600 -> 39:49.360] and people were racing, and in the 60s
[39:49.360 -> 39:52.640] when Clark was racing, they weren't brought up as sports.
[39:52.640 -> 39:56.620] They were like, you know, 30, 40 year old guys
[39:56.620 -> 39:59.000] getting into sport, hobbymen, journeymen.
[39:59.000 -> 40:00.120] They'll be classed as now.
[40:00.120 -> 40:03.960] They'll be in the GTE class, or GTE am class.
[40:03.960 -> 40:06.960] At Le Mans or a pro am. But my biggest gripe is
[40:06.960 -> 40:17.240] so I hate the term GOAT, greatest of all time. I hate it. Because you can't, you can never
[40:17.240 -> 40:25.440] ever define it. So I prefer it's spelled G-O-T-E, greatest of their era. That is more correct.
[40:25.440 -> 40:27.480] So of course, Jim Clark is probably greatest
[40:27.480 -> 40:28.520] of his era, is he?
[40:28.520 -> 40:29.360] Yeah.
[40:29.360 -> 40:30.640] But that's so much more boring, Kyle.
[40:30.640 -> 40:32.200] Yeah, but it's so much more correct.
[40:32.200 -> 40:33.480] Kyle, logical.
[40:33.480 -> 40:35.000] Stop trying to make fetch happen.
[40:35.000 -> 40:38.040] Now look, I know Matt's been really, really patient
[40:38.040 -> 40:40.840] because Matt is patiently trying to make an incorrect point
[40:40.840 -> 40:43.120] and now's your moment.
[40:43.120 -> 40:44.760] You don't know what point I'm about to make,
[40:44.760 -> 40:46.720] which is what I love about you.
[40:46.720 -> 40:48.040] Because we argue all the time.
[40:48.040 -> 40:52.280] We do. Um, it's a movie reference, Kyle.
[40:52.280 -> 40:53.280] Mean girls.
[40:53.280 -> 40:54.280] Kyle hasn't seen Mean Girls.
[40:54.280 -> 40:55.280] That is so fetch. Have you not seen that?
[40:55.280 -> 41:08.940] Anyway, I want to go back to Antonia's point because she amongst all of you has been the most correct.
[41:08.940 -> 41:11.020] I feel like that's not groundbreaking.
[41:11.020 -> 41:13.020] That's pretty regular on this show.
[41:13.020 -> 41:15.060] Yeah, it is.
[41:15.060 -> 41:16.060] Wow.
[41:16.060 -> 41:25.120] Let's consider that the cars that Jim Clark and those of his era, Dan Gurney, Ascari, Fangio, all of them drove.
[41:25.840 -> 41:32.880] Were front engine cross-ply tires with no safety features whatsoever.
[41:33.840 -> 41:37.600] And here is where it gets interesting to me with Clark.
[41:38.560 -> 41:44.720] Because you're right, we can't really compare in many aspects between these eras.
[41:45.600 -> 41:48.600] We know that Clark was very good at driving that kind of a car.
[41:48.600 -> 41:55.440] We don't know how he would have driven a modern formula car if he'd come up under modern circumstances.
[41:55.440 -> 41:59.140] We can speculate, but we don't know.
[41:59.140 -> 42:01.560] But here's what does interest me about this comparison.
[42:01.560 -> 42:07.920] Two things. One is the almost universal observation about
[42:07.920 -> 42:17.420] him as a driver, that he was insanely adaptable. He was someone who would drive a car fast
[42:17.420 -> 42:21.560] and ask for no setup changes where other people's wanted to. And this actually reminds me of
[42:21.560 -> 42:25.680] Michael Schumacher. At Ferrari, they had done a particular kind
[42:25.680 -> 42:27.880] of aerodynamic setup with a sharp leading edge
[42:27.880 -> 42:29.480] to the floor and the side pod.
[42:29.480 -> 42:30.960] We talked about this.
[42:30.960 -> 42:34.640] And who was he partnered with?
[42:34.640 -> 42:35.520] Was it Irvine?
[42:35.520 -> 42:36.680] Irvine at that point?
[42:36.680 -> 42:38.720] And Irvine could not drive this car.
[42:38.720 -> 42:39.840] Schumacher could.
[42:39.840 -> 42:41.240] And they realized that essentially,
[42:41.240 -> 42:43.280] a sharp leading edge was causing a stall that would roll down
[42:43.280 -> 42:46.480] the side of the car, make it very unstable on entry to turns, but Schumacher's
[42:46.480 -> 42:50.760] braking was so mechanistically consistent he could just simply deal with it.
[42:50.760 -> 42:52.200] Irvine couldn't.
[42:52.200 -> 42:55.560] And when they fixed it, Schumacher's comment was, well, yeah, it's easier to drive, but
[42:55.560 -> 42:57.080] it's not faster.
[42:57.080 -> 43:01.440] And this is very much the kind of comment that people make about Jim Clark.
[43:01.440 -> 43:03.120] So how would he do in a modern era?
[43:03.120 -> 43:05.360] I don't know, but his adaptability
[43:05.360 -> 43:10.480] makes me think that, well, maybe, but here's the real thing. Getting aside from equipment,
[43:10.480 -> 43:15.440] getting aside from everything else, I'm going to drop this little statistic, which I spent hours
[43:15.440 -> 43:25.360] researching on Wikipedia, which is in 33 pole position starts in an era with massive unreliability.
[43:25.360 -> 43:27.640] He had 25 wins.
[43:27.640 -> 43:30.600] The thing about Jim Clark is he is a winner.
[43:30.600 -> 43:37.760] He is someone who will win the race, and that percentage and his percentage of laps led
[43:37.760 -> 43:41.680] is still a record to this day, as far as I know.
[43:41.680 -> 43:48.280] 71.47% in the 1963 season. Twice he scored 100% of available world championship
[43:48.280 -> 43:51.360] points, if Wikipedia wasn't lying to me here.
[43:51.360 -> 43:53.040] Because I was on a train with my phone.
[43:53.040 -> 43:55.160] It was a little challenging in another country
[43:55.160 -> 43:56.840] to do the kind of research I like to do.
[43:56.840 -> 43:59.360] But that's quite amazing, because that basically just
[43:59.360 -> 44:02.080] says that he's got great mechanical sympathy.
[44:02.080 -> 44:04.040] He was better, and he knew how to get the cars.
[44:04.040 -> 44:04.720] Jackie Stewart has said that many times.
[44:04.720 -> 44:10.160] Jackie Stewart has always said about the fact that Jim Clark knew how to look after a car.
[44:10.160 -> 44:15.200] And this is the whole thing, it's like, yes, back in the... Could you take Jim Clark, if Jim Clark
[44:15.200 -> 44:22.640] was born in, I don't know, 19... in 1999, could Jim Clark be an F1 driver today? Probably, but that's
[44:22.640 -> 44:27.140] with today's technology and things like that. And that's where everything has changed in this sport
[44:27.140 -> 44:30.120] is the technology to improve drivers.
[44:30.120 -> 44:32.380] Yeah, no, I completely agree,
[44:32.380 -> 44:34.720] but I mean, going back to Matt's point,
[44:34.720 -> 44:37.960] I think the consistency thing is a really interesting point
[44:37.960 -> 44:41.600] with Jim Clark because it feels like every era of F1
[44:41.600 -> 44:43.600] we have this, I mean, with the Schumacher dominance,
[44:43.600 -> 44:44.580] then with the Lewis dominance,
[44:44.580 -> 44:48.240] and now with Max's dominance is, oh it's so boring, you know,
[44:48.240 -> 44:53.920] they're so clear, they're winning too much, it's all the time. You know, consistency has
[44:53.920 -> 44:57.600] always been something that people have complained about because they always want the biggest
[44:57.600 -> 45:03.000] dramatic title battle ever. I mean, don't we all want that? But for me, what it all
[45:03.000 -> 45:05.920] boils down to is you have to,
[45:05.920 -> 45:08.960] as a fan, you know, whether you're specifically Tifosi,
[45:08.960 -> 45:11.520] Orange Army, whoever you support,
[45:11.520 -> 45:15.000] you need to be able to appreciate success for what it is.
[45:15.000 -> 45:16.560] You know, you need to be able to,
[45:16.560 -> 45:18.360] or at least I'd like to be able to,
[45:18.360 -> 45:19.600] whichever driver wins the race,
[45:19.600 -> 45:21.160] appreciate that success in its own right,
[45:21.160 -> 45:24.320] whether it's Verstappen and his immense consistency,
[45:24.320 -> 45:30.240] whether it's Aston Martin, seeing how far they've come, anyone. And I really think that's why me personally,
[45:30.240 -> 45:34.920] I know this is such a controversial thing about me, but I don't really support anyone
[45:34.920 -> 45:35.920] specifically.
[45:35.920 -> 45:36.920] Boo! Get off the fence, Stevens!
[45:36.920 -> 45:37.920] I'm so sorry.
[45:37.920 -> 45:38.920] You may as well be Chris.
[45:38.920 -> 45:39.920] I'm so sorry.
[45:39.920 -> 45:40.920] Why isn't Chris here instead?
[45:40.920 -> 45:47.000] No, but seriously, like, and that's what this whole thing boils down to, is being able to
[45:47.000 -> 45:52.360] appreciate someone's success in its own right, being able to look at Jim Clark and go, wow,
[45:52.360 -> 45:56.600] he was incredible. Being able to look at Schumacher and say the same thing, Senna and say the
[45:56.600 -> 46:02.160] same thing, Lewis and Max, all of the greats of our sport. We don't need to compare them.
[46:02.160 -> 46:05.120] Comparison is the thief of joy. We don't need to say
[46:05.120 -> 46:10.160] who was better because it's a great debate. It would be so cool to have them all lined up in
[46:10.160 -> 46:14.240] a line and say go and see which one of them wins a race in the same equal machinery, you know.
[46:14.240 -> 46:15.600] Jason Vale Yeah, but if we did that,
[46:15.600 -> 46:21.280] how dare you rob us of our primary economic motivator here.
[46:21.280 -> 46:24.560] I know it's such a boring way of saying it, but it's true. I mean,
[46:27.280 -> 46:30.040] I know it's such a boring way of saying it, but it's true. I mean, comparison is such a silly thing to do, given how different it all is.
[46:30.040 -> 46:37.360] I can't get away from the thought that if we just put all the modern drivers, this grid
[46:37.360 -> 46:50.600] of 20 drivers now, we give them sufficient time to train in the cars of 2005, sufficient time to train in the cars of 1990, 1975, 1960.
[46:50.600 -> 46:56.620] This generation of drivers, this grid of drivers performs on the whole better than all of those
[46:56.620 -> 46:57.620] years.
[46:57.620 -> 47:00.860] I'm sorry, is this the same generation of drivers where Hamilton is now complaining
[47:00.860 -> 47:06.160] because the cockpit is 20 millimeters forward of last year. He can't feel the rear wheels anymore.
[47:06.160 -> 47:11.140] And to be fair, the same generation that can't do a cold tire start at the Australian Grand
[47:11.140 -> 47:12.800] Prix without skittling into each other.
[47:12.800 -> 47:18.280] The thing I love about this argument is that, is that annoyingly, I really agree with you.
[47:18.280 -> 47:22.200] I think that the physical training and the mental training of the drivers today, there's
[47:22.200 -> 47:24.480] no comparison to what drivers in the past had.
[47:24.480 -> 47:25.120] And the level of competition that they have comparison to what drivers in the past had.
[47:25.120 -> 47:26.120] And the level of competition that they have to come through.
[47:26.120 -> 47:27.560] And the level of competition.
[47:27.560 -> 47:35.240] But I think that there is something when you look at the winners, let's call it raciness.
[47:35.240 -> 47:39.040] There are certain people who, when you put them on a racetrack, and to me this always
[47:39.040 -> 47:46.000] came back to sort of like watching Lance Armstrong in the Tour de France, is like you watch them control a race
[47:46.000 -> 47:53.760] and you're like, that person is a stone cold killer in competitive circumstances. And I think
[47:53.760 -> 48:01.600] that if you're going to argue about that sort of qualitative characteristic, and you look at the
[48:01.600 -> 48:05.960] numbers that Clark put up, he's every bit the match for Hamilton
[48:05.960 -> 48:09.240] and Schumacher or anybody else that came after him.
[48:09.240 -> 48:11.440] Could he do as well in modern machinery?
[48:11.440 -> 48:13.800] I can't answer that.
[48:13.800 -> 48:21.480] But looking at the numbers, he clearly, in a competitive way, matches them and deserves
[48:21.480 -> 48:23.600] to be mentioned in the same breath as them.
[48:23.600 -> 48:26.840] Raciness, that's the term you've come up with?
[48:26.840 -> 48:28.320] That's your expert analysis?
[48:28.320 -> 48:29.320] That's the best?
[48:29.320 -> 48:31.040] Do I hear you coming up with a better term?
[48:31.040 -> 48:32.640] Are you trying to coin raciness?
[48:32.640 -> 48:33.840] All right.
[48:33.840 -> 48:36.760] Do I hear you coming up with a better term for what I'm talking about?
[48:36.760 -> 48:38.560] Antonio, raciness, last word.
[48:38.560 -> 48:41.880] There are 20 drivers on this grid.
[48:41.880 -> 48:42.880] That's it.
[48:42.880 -> 48:46.800] 20 at the pinnacle of every single-seater championship
[48:46.800 -> 48:51.700] of the world. There is 20 out of thousands and thousands and thousands of people. They
[48:51.700 -> 48:57.600] are all stone-cold killers, or whatever phrase you use to describe them, because 99% of them
[48:57.600 -> 48:58.600] are.
[48:58.600 -> 49:01.760] I'm sorry, Latifi? Really? He's a very nice guy.
[49:01.760 -> 49:04.400] Well, he's not on the grid anymore, if I do recall.
[49:04.400 -> 49:05.200] He's no Hamilton. Well, that's why he's not on the grid. Or Verstappen. He's also no nice guy. You know, well, he's not on the grid anymore. If I do, he's no Hamilton.
[49:05.200 -> 49:07.000] Well, that's why he's not over stopping.
[49:07.500 -> 49:09.300] He's also no Formula One driver anymore.
[49:09.300 -> 49:14.600] Yeah, that's my point is that when it comes to the when it
[49:14.600 -> 49:18.600] comes to the killer instinct for winning winning is not a
[49:18.600 -> 49:20.100] natural human thing.
[49:20.100 -> 49:24.400] It takes a lot of effort to be the person who says, yes, I'm
[49:24.400 -> 49:26.900] going to do that and beat everybody else.
[49:26.900 -> 49:28.100] It's not natural.
[49:28.100 -> 49:32.700] And some people have that skill.
[49:32.700 -> 49:35.980] They have that mentality, as you will.
[49:35.980 -> 49:38.980] And I think Clark had it, and I think he had it to the same
[49:38.980 -> 49:43.020] ability as Hamilton and Schumacher for stopping now.
[49:43.020 -> 49:57.120] And I think that's a fair statement, even if the whole equipment thing can be a distraction.
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[50:59.800 -> 51:02.800] Well, they all went on a bit there so let's
[51:06.560 -> 51:11.360] Well, they all went on a bit there, so let's skip on to some of our patron questions. And I've got a great question here from Adam Rosales in our patron slack group.
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[51:35.500 -> 51:40.900] recording. Patreon.com forward slash Missed Apex. But in our Patreon slack group,
[51:40.900 -> 51:48.880] we are, the Patreons are the first people that we like to talk to, they're the first people we look, listen to opinions for and take questions from.
[51:48.880 -> 51:54.880] Adam asks, money aside, if you could attend any race, which race would it be
[51:54.880 -> 52:01.360] and where would you sit? And actually, in this current environment, we as British
[52:01.360 -> 52:06.420] fans are facing for the first time, I think a lot of British fans for the first time, are
[52:06.880 -> 52:10.880] dealing with being priced out of their home Grand Prix.
[52:10.880 -> 52:13.840] So before I get on to my soapbox,
[52:14.120 -> 52:19.500] talking about price rises for the British Grand Prix and just being priced out of Formula One in general,
[52:19.500 -> 52:27.080] I'll turn to my panel and say, where is your bucket list F1 experience? Antonia, you've been watching
[52:27.080 -> 52:34.440] Formula One since 2000, since you were born, since you were incubated in an F1 content
[52:34.440 -> 52:42.920] creator mush pod and birthed on TikTok. Firstly, where have you been to watch Formula One?
[52:42.920 -> 52:46.940] Because I, I and Matt, as F1 fans, it's
[52:46.940 -> 52:52.920] sort of like it's a shame, but we know the reasons why we've been to very few live races.
[52:52.920 -> 52:55.360] So where have you been on the F1 circus?
[52:55.360 -> 52:58.400] My first ever race was Silverstone last year.
[52:58.400 -> 52:59.400] Nice.
[52:59.400 -> 53:00.400] Full stop. That's all of them.
[53:00.400 -> 53:01.400] Welcome.
[53:01.400 -> 53:06.600] Yes, thank you. I mean, for for starters before that I was probably too young
[53:06.600 -> 53:12.400] to enjoy it anyway given that I'm still clearly in the minds of most people here in features.
[53:12.400 -> 53:16.520] Yeah, you're a teenager. But no, I think it's a really good point you've made. I haven't
[53:16.520 -> 53:22.140] bought Silverstone tickets this year. I would kill to go to be honest but I can't justify
[53:22.140 -> 53:25.960] the price personally. It's just silly. Thursday
[53:25.960 -> 53:28.760] alone is what, £130? It's so expensive.
[53:28.760 -> 53:33.400] Yes, so you're not on your own. You're not on your own at all. I've only been to see
[53:33.400 -> 53:38.360] F1 cars at Silverstone twice, and I've been to Silverstone more than that. And that has
[53:38.360 -> 53:47.520] been because, for example, WECC is quite a good value day out actually and you get to see a lot of cars on the WEC
[53:47.520 -> 53:51.960] calendar but there hasn't been a six hours of Silverstone on the WEC calendar for a while
[53:51.960 -> 53:56.280] so that's a shame because me and my boy really did enjoy going and seeing that and actually
[53:56.280 -> 54:01.160] there was F2 on that calendar as well and I was trying to really get him involved in
[54:01.160 -> 54:06.560] the single seaters and so we're watching the2, and it's these kids just flying off track
[54:06.560 -> 54:08.560] and like hitting, there was a couple of kids
[54:08.560 -> 54:12.280] just went just nose first into the Luffield stands
[54:12.280 -> 54:13.600] and the Luffield barriers.
[54:13.600 -> 54:15.800] And he just did not like the single-seaters.
[54:15.800 -> 54:18.120] As soon as the safety car came out,
[54:18.120 -> 54:21.040] which was like some kind of metallic blue Porsche,
[54:21.040 -> 54:22.600] his eyes were turned.
[54:22.600 -> 54:24.440] And he was like, oh my God, this is amazing.
[54:24.440 -> 54:28.740] So when the like Porsche Super Cup or whatever it is came out, he was like, dad, I prefer the ones with
[54:28.740 -> 54:36.900] the roofs on. And my heart broke. My heart broke. So you can go and watch Good Racing
[54:36.900 -> 54:42.900] at Silverstone, but at the moment, even for a lot of British fans now, it's looking like
[54:42.900 -> 54:45.160] something that is more and more
[54:45.160 -> 54:47.640] unobtainable, which is heartbreaking for me
[54:47.640 -> 54:52.640] because as a kid, I was already priced out of Silverstone.
[54:52.640 -> 54:55.440] It already felt like quite a middle-class thing to do
[54:55.440 -> 54:57.860] and that's how I built up these marvellous looking,
[54:57.860 -> 55:00.440] handsome and heavy chips on my shoulders.
[55:00.440 -> 55:02.240] And as I've got to the point where I'm an adult
[55:02.240 -> 55:04.880] and I'm allowed to choose how I can spend my money,
[55:04.880 -> 55:10.600] all of a sudden, I find myself as a responsible adult family man,
[55:10.600 -> 55:14.600] I find myself priced out of my home Grand Prix.
[55:14.600 -> 55:17.100] And I'm looking around the calendar and saying,
[55:17.100 -> 55:23.000] is there places that I could fly to and go and have a Grand Prix weekend for the same amount of money?
[55:23.000 -> 55:25.000] And the answer is probably yes.
[55:25.000 -> 55:27.280] So let's go around our panel and say,
[55:27.280 -> 55:28.920] money no object,
[55:28.920 -> 55:31.440] where do you want to go on the Grand Prix circuit?
[55:31.440 -> 55:34.320] And what corner would you sit at?
[55:34.320 -> 55:35.880] Who's got an answer for me?
[55:35.880 -> 55:37.720] Antonia Rankin.
[55:37.720 -> 55:38.600] Oh, hello, Antonia.
[55:38.600 -> 55:40.360] Welcome to my house, by the way.
[55:40.360 -> 55:48.040] Yeah, it's nice to have such a content creator celebrity really in our midst because you
[55:48.040 -> 55:53.080] have the highest following out of any of the crusty old men you have chosen to spend your
[55:53.080 -> 55:54.080] Friday evening with.
[55:54.080 -> 55:56.320] Yeah, I'm so cool, aren't I?
[55:56.320 -> 55:58.840] 60,000 TikTok followers.
[55:58.840 -> 56:06.400] Yeah, gosh. It's, it doesn't feel real sometimes. I think, you know, it's so cool that I've got many friends, you know
[56:08.040 -> 56:13.760] They are my friends, you know, they they comment and we have a little chat and it makes me feel so cool
[56:13.960 -> 56:17.780] What is the highest amount of views you've had on a tick-tock video?
[56:18.160 -> 56:22.500] Two million get out. Yeah, is that the one we did a sand a sand?
[56:22.500 -> 56:25.120] I'd made a Formula One car out of sand
[56:25.120 -> 56:27.120] Okay, it took a one really
[56:27.800 -> 56:35.100] Losery afternoon on holiday. Okay. Yeah, it was great. I had my factor 50 on I wasn't listening to any regulation set
[56:38.880 -> 56:42.320] No, it was pre 2018 because there was no halo I
[56:43.720 -> 56:47.200] Actually Defy gravity.
[56:47.200 -> 56:52.080] That made it structurally easier. So does it ever terrify you to think like, what if
[56:52.080 -> 56:56.480] what if I had 2 million people in front of me giving my F1 opinion?
[56:56.480 -> 57:00.320] To be honest, I can't even picture like what 100 looks like, you know, you know, trying
[57:00.320 -> 57:05.800] to visualize crowd sizes. But I think my favorite thing about my TikTok
[57:05.800 -> 57:07.920] is it feels, I always say when I'm on my live streams,
[57:07.920 -> 57:08.920] when I'm chatting to my followers,
[57:08.920 -> 57:11.240] that it's like our little corner of the internet
[57:11.240 -> 57:13.440] where all of us nerds come together
[57:13.440 -> 57:16.280] and we learn about F1 together and we have a little chat
[57:16.280 -> 57:18.120] and we all share our passion.
[57:18.120 -> 57:19.240] And it's just the best.
[57:19.240 -> 57:20.080] I love it so much.
[57:20.080 -> 57:22.280] That's like us, Matt, except we've got dozens.
[57:22.280 -> 57:26.400] I have virtually double digitdigit followers now.
[57:26.400 -> 57:27.400] There we go.
[57:27.400 -> 57:30.720] But, look, we posed the question to Antonio.
[57:30.720 -> 57:34.920] Where would you sit yourself for any Grand Prix in the world?
[57:34.920 -> 57:38.960] For me, when I think about F1, it's Spa.
[57:38.960 -> 57:40.880] It's for me, that is synonymous.
[57:40.880 -> 57:43.040] So you like terrible weather.
[57:43.040 -> 57:44.040] This is very British of you, actually.
[57:44.040 -> 57:46.440] I'm English. I'm used to the rain, I don't
[57:46.440 -> 57:52.440] even feel it anymore. No, I honestly I would give my left arm to go there even without
[57:52.440 -> 57:57.640] an F1 race there just to kind of take it all in because for me growing up that was you
[57:57.640 -> 58:04.160] know of course it's always been on the calendar. To me Spa is F1 and I would oh gosh I would
[58:04.160 -> 58:06.600] just I would cut off my hand to go there
[58:06.600 -> 58:07.600] to be honest.
[58:07.600 -> 58:13.000] So Spa is one of the old school Formula 1 tracks that definitely still suits modern
[58:13.000 -> 58:14.000] F1 cars.
[58:14.000 -> 58:22.600] I mean, that straight from Eau Rouge, Radillon, up over the hill towards Le Cam, it just gives
[58:22.600 -> 58:26.960] such good racing opportunities because they're already at such a great speed
[58:26.960 -> 58:31.280] by the time they get to Eau Rouge and it's pretty much flat now, except you can have
[58:31.280 -> 58:35.960] some shenanigans if there's cars around you. And it always just leads to these dramatic
[58:35.960 -> 58:42.120] events. I mean, the most recent one, Lewis Hamilton 2022, trying to get around the outside
[58:42.120 -> 58:47.160] of trying to get around the outside and hold the outside of Fernando Alonso.
[58:47.160 -> 58:49.560] So I think those classic moments are gonna keep happening.
[58:49.560 -> 58:53.360] I think Spire will keep being a classic F1 track.
[58:53.360 -> 58:54.440] Oh, completely agree.
[58:54.440 -> 58:58.080] And I would plonk myself right at Eau Rouge.
[58:58.080 -> 58:59.560] That would be my go-to.
[58:59.560 -> 59:01.560] At the bottom of the hill?
[59:01.560 -> 59:03.240] Maybe more, yeah.
[59:03.240 -> 59:07.240] No, maybe Radeon then up a bit, yeah. I don't know, for me
[59:07.240 -> 59:09.520] though that's... You don't have to call it Radeon, you can call it Eau Rouge, we all
[59:09.520 -> 59:12.040] know what you're talking about. The whole thing is Eau Rouge. Call it Eau Rouge Radeon
[59:12.040 -> 59:17.240] isn't it? It's in Eau, actually. It's in Sturzer mate, actually. The end of the Kemmel Street
[59:17.240 -> 59:27.480] if you're going to be anywhere. But that's, for me, because that's in my opinion the most iconic place at the most iconic track at my
[59:27.480 -> 59:34.080] absolute favourite type of motorsports. That would just be my absolute dream come true
[59:34.080 -> 59:37.560] nerd fantastic experience.
[59:37.560 -> 59:42.680] It's not a, it's not an actual place where you can go and sit but I'd be at that position
[59:42.680 -> 59:50.400] at the top of Eau Rouge where the camera normally is and you just see them pop over the hill. That's the place I'd probably get nerded.
[59:50.400 -> 59:52.400] No but then you can't see them.
[59:52.400 -> 59:56.400] No you have to sit at Eau Rouge, right, here's me nerding out a bit.
[59:56.400 -> 01:00:08.880] Because if you sit at exactly the right place you can see them coming up the hill because they get a good send out of Lesorces, coming round the corner, up the hill towards Eau Rouge. If they've
[01:00:08.880 -> 01:00:13.000] got the good send then they're already on track for a fantastic lap up the hill. They
[01:00:13.000 -> 01:00:18.560] basically flat out it nowadays. And then they disappear around the corner after Radillon.
[01:00:18.560 -> 01:00:22.440] To me, there is nothing more exciting. If you can just sit yourself in exactly the right
[01:00:22.440 -> 01:00:24.960] place where you can see them coming and see them disappear.
[01:00:24.960 -> 01:00:25.000] You basically want to be attached to a drone. exciting and if you can just sit yourself in exactly the right place where you can see them coming and see them disappear.
[01:00:25.000 -> 01:00:26.800] You basically want to be attached to a drone.
[01:00:26.800 -> 01:00:29.000] Hang on, Kyle has been there.
[01:00:29.000 -> 01:00:30.560] Kyle's been to loads of them.
[01:00:30.560 -> 01:00:31.560] Oh, come on then Kyle.
[01:00:31.560 -> 01:00:32.560] Kyle, what's that like?
[01:00:32.560 -> 01:00:37.320] I've actually been there and it was in the time when Friday practice was two one and
[01:00:37.320 -> 01:00:38.720] a half hour sessions.
[01:00:38.720 -> 01:00:45.640] So I was quite privileged to have a good walk around the track which is really quite long. I found the
[01:00:45.640 -> 01:00:50.120] best place for Eau Rouge was literally standing above Eau Rouge, the Red River
[01:00:50.120 -> 01:00:53.960] that runs underneath it. There is a stream, that's why it's called that, right at the
[01:00:53.960 -> 01:00:57.600] base. If you stand there on the base at the apex you get to see the cars come
[01:00:57.600 -> 01:01:02.920] very close to you and then disappear off up the hill. At the top of Radillon, when
[01:01:02.920 -> 01:01:09.720] you're looking, it looks really quick, but the gradient almost ruins the speed aspect for you. You see them coming from a long way
[01:01:09.720 -> 01:01:14.400] off and it looks less impressive from up the hill than it did at the bottom of the hill.
[01:01:14.400 -> 01:01:17.760] So if it's in your point of view, for saying to go to stand at Eau Rouge, I would always
[01:01:17.760 -> 01:01:21.160] choose to stand at the bottom of Eau Rouge. It sounds very boring, but actually when you're
[01:01:21.160 -> 01:01:23.760] there in real life, it looks much more impressive.
[01:01:23.760 -> 01:01:26.840] Because that's where the direction change happens. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:01:26.840 -> 01:01:30.160] The compression direction change and everything happens and they're closer to you.
[01:01:30.160 -> 01:01:33.760] When you stand at the top you're very far away from the cars and at a weird
[01:01:33.760 -> 01:01:37.680] angle so you look slow, a bit like the TV angles. And actually I think a little bit
[01:01:37.680 -> 01:01:42.000] from head-on the cars can look a little bit slower. It's good to get to see
[01:01:42.000 -> 01:01:44.560] them for longer though Noah, I guess because that's why when I went to Silverstone
[01:01:44.560 -> 01:01:47.760] last year we sat at Village because we thought maximum car time.
[01:01:47.760 -> 01:01:52.560] And that is true, because you do see a lot of great racing at Village as they come through
[01:01:52.560 -> 01:01:58.320] and you really do hear that kind of, the big clunky struggling downshifts as the engine
[01:01:58.320 -> 01:02:03.680] is straining, because at that point they're pulling down the gears to help them brake
[01:02:03.680 -> 01:02:08.000] into Village and then through the turn down to the Wellington Strait.
[01:02:08.000 -> 01:02:11.000] So that is a good value place to sit for sure.
[01:02:11.000 -> 01:02:17.000] Yeah, if anyone is looking to go to Silsilane in the future, that is, in my opinion, the place to sit.
[01:02:17.000 -> 01:02:22.000] The one time I've been to the British Grand Prix was in 2008, was that fantastic race in the wet.
[01:02:22.000 -> 01:02:27.240] I was sat at Luffield. And, and obviously it was the old layout,
[01:02:27.240 -> 01:02:28.840] so you got to see them come through bridge
[01:02:28.840 -> 01:02:29.660] and that whole section.
[01:02:29.660 -> 01:02:32.680] So, as far as value, that was awesome.
[01:02:34.040 -> 01:02:35.480] And there's a big TV screen.
[01:02:35.480 -> 01:02:36.840] And there was a big TV screen.
[01:02:36.840 -> 01:02:38.680] That's also something to look out for, though.
[01:02:38.680 -> 01:02:40.520] But again, the thing is, obviously,
[01:02:40.520 -> 01:02:41.880] I've always been priced out of the market.
[01:02:41.880 -> 01:02:44.240] I mean, when I went to the British Grand Prix,
[01:02:44.240 -> 01:02:45.400] it was a birthday present
[01:02:45.400 -> 01:02:48.320] and nothing's ever sort of come for that since.
[01:02:48.320 -> 01:02:50.020] And I just can't see the value in it.
[01:02:50.020 -> 01:02:54.120] And Brad went last year and he went general admission
[01:02:54.120 -> 01:02:55.520] and he absolutely loved it.
[01:02:55.520 -> 01:02:57.700] And he said, I would absolutely go general admission
[01:02:57.700 -> 01:02:58.540] next year.
[01:02:58.540 -> 01:03:00.440] And I was like, right, I'm gonna go with you.
[01:03:00.440 -> 01:03:02.880] And we then looked at the prices this year.
[01:03:02.880 -> 01:03:05.560] I've actually got them out of my head
[01:03:05.560 -> 01:03:07.000] for what Sunday general admission was
[01:03:07.000 -> 01:03:08.760] because it just was not worth it,
[01:03:08.760 -> 01:03:10.820] especially because my wife is also an F1 fan as well.
[01:03:10.820 -> 01:03:13.060] So she would definitely not be one
[01:03:13.060 -> 01:03:15.020] for being left out on that.
[01:03:15.020 -> 01:03:18.100] So, you know, it completely killed it.
[01:03:18.100 -> 01:03:19.740] And look, just want to say,
[01:03:19.740 -> 01:03:22.240] if you are going to go general admission at Silverstone
[01:03:22.240 -> 01:03:23.820] on a Friday or a Saturday,
[01:03:23.820 -> 01:03:32.140] you have to go and stand at the beginning of the famous Maggots Becketts complex. And I've seen it front on
[01:03:32.140 -> 01:03:39.700] from the end as you go on to the Hangar Straight. And I haven't, you know, the one time I drove
[01:03:39.700 -> 01:03:47.080] on Silverstone was in the wet in Peugeots with Alex and we got, Sam Whatley hooked us up with these 206.
[01:03:47.080 -> 01:03:47.920] Yeah.
[01:03:47.920 -> 01:03:49.360] And it was wonderful,
[01:03:49.360 -> 01:03:51.560] because obviously all the seats are stripped out
[01:03:51.560 -> 01:03:54.520] and it is just made for racing.
[01:03:54.520 -> 01:03:56.160] There was no grip at all.
[01:03:56.160 -> 01:03:59.800] My tactic generally for motorsport in the wet
[01:03:59.800 -> 01:04:02.440] is to just pull over and wait.
[01:04:02.440 -> 01:04:04.120] Wait for the conditions to improve.
[01:04:04.120 -> 01:04:04.960] It was that.
[01:04:04.960 -> 01:04:05.120] That's not dissimilar to F1 actually. Yeah, no, that's true. just pull over and wait, wait for the conditions to improve. It was that...
[01:04:05.120 -> 01:04:06.120] That's not dissimilar to F1 actually.
[01:04:06.120 -> 01:04:09.240] Yeah, no, that's true.
[01:04:09.240 -> 01:04:13.760] But it was that wet that I missed Abbey, which is the turn one right-hander kink.
[01:04:13.760 -> 01:04:17.720] I just missed it and then I panicked as I went into the runoff and ended up spinning
[01:04:17.720 -> 01:04:19.400] and going around there.
[01:04:19.400 -> 01:04:29.720] But no, but if you stand at the front of the Maggots Becketts complex, so just as you go through cops, and then just let the cars boom past you, and then watch the direction change.
[01:04:29.720 -> 01:04:35.160] It is phenomenal to see machines change from left to right and that weight transfer.
[01:04:35.160 -> 01:04:42.580] It's like watching gigantic nuclear Skelectric, because it just feels impossible that those
[01:04:42.580 -> 01:04:44.480] cars could be able to do that.
[01:04:44.480 -> 01:04:47.360] Yeah, I don't bring that up because I actually have driven it.
[01:04:48.080 -> 01:04:49.920] I knew you trump card played.
[01:04:49.920 -> 01:04:51.920] What did you drive through maggots, Beckett?
[01:04:52.480 -> 01:04:55.120] So I did the we did the we did the national circuit.
[01:04:55.120 -> 01:04:57.280] This would be my friend Pip Hammond.
[01:04:57.280 -> 01:04:58.480] We love Pip.
[01:04:58.480 -> 01:05:07.360] Vauxhall Nova, which he raced to multiple championships in the 750 motor club. Multiple
[01:05:07.360 -> 01:05:14.200] championships. And the only thing I can say about it is that when I was driving
[01:05:14.200 -> 01:05:19.680] with him, when he was driving, we were catching cars like Porsche 911s and
[01:05:19.680 -> 01:05:23.520] Ferraris in the turns and they were slowing us down.
[01:05:23.520 -> 01:05:29.040] There we go. I won't take any 911 slander. I just want to put that out there. One of my favorite
[01:05:29.040 -> 01:05:30.040] cars ever.
[01:05:30.040 -> 01:05:31.040] It's not slander.
[01:05:31.040 -> 01:05:33.920] It's the driver, not the car.
[01:05:33.920 -> 01:05:34.920] It's an absolute fact.
[01:05:34.920 -> 01:05:37.200] As long as it's a hit on the drivers and not the cars themselves.
[01:05:37.200 -> 01:05:38.400] It's an absolute fact.
[01:05:38.400 -> 01:05:45.760] So Antonia's initial point was that she would sit at Eau Rouge, but you would challenge that in saying
[01:05:45.760 -> 01:05:49.360] Le Combe, but to be honest, it's not Sainte-Denis. What's turn one?
[01:05:49.360 -> 01:05:50.360] I think La Source.
[01:05:50.360 -> 01:05:54.600] La Source. So I always get La Source and Saint-Denis mixed up, but actually this is a bit of a
[01:05:54.600 -> 01:06:00.040] conundrum for a lot of tracks where you go, during the race, the most spectacular thing
[01:06:00.040 -> 01:06:05.440] to see would be Eau Rouge or Maggots and Beckets. But there's also so many tracks where you
[01:06:05.440 -> 01:06:11.920] just go, is it worth being at turn one just for lap one, turn one. So you look at like
[01:06:11.920 -> 01:06:19.360] Hungaro Ring, the right hand hairpin is very high on my list, man.
[01:06:19.360 -> 01:06:24.000] Just to watch Bottas take out a whole grid. On purpose, apparently.
[01:06:24.000 -> 01:06:29.240] And to watch Alcon win a race. race but no my argument is that if you're
[01:06:29.240 -> 01:06:33.800] going to pick a place at spa you're either picking the bus stop or you're picking the
[01:06:33.800 -> 01:06:38.380] end of the camel straight because that's where you're going to see a majority of the passing
[01:06:38.380 -> 01:06:45.000] occur. But I want to speak to Genesy here. A directed dress.
[01:06:45.000 -> 01:06:46.000] Run.
[01:06:46.000 -> 01:06:51.000] Because like you, I am married and I have a wife.
[01:06:51.000 -> 01:06:56.000] And what I can share with you is that there are two things you need.
[01:06:56.000 -> 01:07:00.000] One is you need to know someone who will simply give you VIP passes.
[01:07:00.000 -> 01:07:02.000] That's always the best.
[01:07:02.000 -> 01:07:03.000] To the paddock.
[01:07:03.000 -> 01:07:04.000] I don't have that.
[01:07:04.000 -> 01:07:09.520] Thank you, Estrella Galicia for 2021. Thank you. And number two is to
[01:07:09.520 -> 01:07:15.600] then go to a race that would be a destination for your wife wanted to be because I was fortunate
[01:07:15.600 -> 01:07:20.600] enough to have that experience at a Formula E race in New York. And my wife, who will
[01:07:20.600 -> 01:07:25.200] admit that she will only watch some of DTS and be a fan only because of that,
[01:07:25.800 -> 01:07:29.440] absolutely had the best day of her life
[01:07:29.940 -> 01:07:33.040] with that setup. So, if it was me,
[01:07:34.140 -> 01:07:35.440] because I know she'd want to go there,
[01:07:35.540 -> 01:07:37.840] I'd probably pick either Hungary,
[01:07:39.520 -> 01:07:41.380] because she has Hungarian ancestors,
[01:07:41.480 -> 01:07:43.320] so that would be a thing that's relevant to her.
[01:07:43.420 -> 01:07:46.800] But really, I think I would probably pick Singapore
[01:07:46.800 -> 01:07:49.800] because wow, VIP passes at Singapore?
[01:07:49.800 -> 01:07:51.080] I mean, oh my goodness.
[01:07:51.080 -> 01:07:53.560] Fortunately for me, my wife would go to any Grand Prix
[01:07:53.560 -> 01:07:56.000] because Lauren loves F1.
[01:07:56.000 -> 01:07:57.680] So that's never an issue.
[01:07:57.680 -> 01:08:00.880] But I think for me, if we're going around the table on this,
[01:08:00.880 -> 01:08:02.020] where would you go?
[01:08:02.020 -> 01:08:02.860] Where would you sit?
[01:08:02.860 -> 01:08:06.720] For me, it's my favorite circuit, it's Suzuka.
[01:08:06.720 -> 01:08:08.560] I would die to go to Suzuka.
[01:08:08.560 -> 01:08:13.320] To be at turn one for the start of the race
[01:08:13.320 -> 01:08:15.800] and then make my way over to watch them
[01:08:15.800 -> 01:08:17.520] come through Degner one.
[01:08:17.520 -> 01:08:20.840] Because the speed that you have to carry into Degner one
[01:08:20.840 -> 01:08:23.480] to then get it slowed for Degner two
[01:08:23.480 -> 01:08:24.560] is just the most amazing.
[01:08:24.560 -> 01:08:27.520] Because you can't, because I'd love to sit on board
[01:08:27.520 -> 01:08:29.900] through the S's, but you couldn't really watch it
[01:08:29.900 -> 01:08:30.920] very well through the S's.
[01:08:30.920 -> 01:08:35.680] So for me, Suzuka would just be an absolute dream location.
[01:08:35.680 -> 01:08:38.640] And Kyle, have you got a dream location?
[01:08:38.640 -> 01:08:40.480] Yes, I've been quite fortunate to be
[01:08:40.480 -> 01:08:41.900] at Alex's dream location.
[01:08:41.900 -> 01:08:45.920] I have sat at all the corners he just mentioned at Suzuka and watched
[01:08:45.920 -> 01:08:51.440] Formula 1 go through and it is amazing. But this is going to sound a bit of a boring one and it's
[01:08:51.440 -> 01:08:58.720] quite on topic of what we have discussed but the best place of the many circuits I've seen Formula
[01:08:58.720 -> 01:09:05.720] 1 at is standing on the entrance to Maggots and Beckett's complex at Silverstone. If I could have the money,
[01:09:05.720 -> 01:09:09.200] if I could have an exclusive seat to stand on the inside,
[01:09:09.200 -> 01:09:12.160] the very first left on the inside of that complex,
[01:09:12.160 -> 01:09:14.680] you can get so close to the cars and you watch.
[01:09:14.680 -> 01:09:17.320] One of my most mind blowing memories of Formula One
[01:09:17.320 -> 01:09:20.720] was 2004 at the start of qualifying,
[01:09:20.720 -> 01:09:24.200] I saw Schumacher and everyone go through there
[01:09:24.200 -> 01:09:25.560] and it was just draw on
[01:09:25.560 -> 01:09:29.960] the floor stuff and then I walked up and managed to get to the entrance of Stowe
[01:09:29.960 -> 01:09:34.160] by the end of qualifying, the end of the last session of qualifying and
[01:09:34.160 -> 01:09:38.440] it was draw on the floor stuff but if I had a choice in a complete fantasy world
[01:09:38.440 -> 01:09:45.000] as we are in, I would like to sit on Casanova corner on Mugello
[01:09:45.080 -> 01:09:47.840] because Formula One went there in 2020.
[01:09:47.840 -> 01:09:48.680] And it was probably-
[01:09:48.680 -> 01:09:50.040] He's making it up motorbikes again.
[01:09:50.040 -> 01:09:52.760] No, I'm not about motorbikes at all.
[01:09:52.760 -> 01:09:56.360] But that was Formula One and Lewis Hamilton.
[01:09:56.360 -> 01:09:57.600] You can see it on YouTube.
[01:09:57.600 -> 01:10:00.760] Lewis Hamilton's pole lap around Mugello in 2020
[01:10:00.760 -> 01:10:03.280] is probably the most jaw on the floor
[01:10:03.280 -> 01:10:05.520] Formula One footage I have ever seen.
[01:10:05.520 -> 01:10:06.720] More so than George Russell's.
[01:10:08.560 -> 01:10:10.480] Much so than George Russell's.
[01:10:10.480 -> 01:10:13.520] George's lap was incredible, he was like ragged edge stuff.
[01:10:13.520 -> 01:10:16.160] What, Mugello? I didn't even see that.
[01:10:17.280 -> 01:10:21.200] Okay, okay, good. Well that's a nice, uh, Antonio Rankin.
[01:10:21.200 -> 01:10:25.560] Yeah, just to touch on what Kyle said, I think that's why it's so important though that we
[01:10:25.560 -> 01:10:31.560] are mindful of the accessibility of these races because, you know, these memories like
[01:10:31.560 -> 01:10:38.560] Kyle you've just spoken about, they're so pure joy for F1 fans and I wish everyone could
[01:10:38.560 -> 01:10:39.560] experience.
[01:10:39.560 -> 01:10:44.080] I mean, when I was at Silverstone last year, I can't even begin to say the smile that was
[01:10:44.080 -> 01:10:51.200] on my face all weekend, the joy that I felt all weekend. I was just jittering the whole time.
[01:10:51.200 -> 01:10:55.440] And I think that's why it's such a big issue that so many fans can't afford to go to races
[01:10:55.440 -> 01:11:03.040] nowadays because we're denying so many people of these pure moments of just enjoyment and
[01:11:03.040 -> 01:11:05.200] love of the sport and sharing our love of the
[01:11:05.200 -> 01:11:08.400] sport with everyone which for me is one of my favorite things personally at
[01:11:08.400 -> 01:11:11.760] least about being a creator is sharing my love of the sport with everyone so
[01:11:11.760 -> 01:11:17.800] these ticket prices whoever is in charge of that please stop making less money so
[01:11:17.800 -> 01:11:20.800] that I can enjoy stuff
[01:11:24.040 -> 01:11:30.480] speaking of content creators we are joined by one of my favourite content creators on
[01:11:30.480 -> 01:11:37.320] the internet, who despite having a fantastic iRacing stream and iRacing channel, cannot
[01:11:37.320 -> 01:11:42.360] adhere to basic timekeeping. It is Scott Stuffy. Tuffy, how's it going, Scott?
[01:11:42.360 -> 01:11:47.880] I'm good, thank you, Spanners. Yeah, sorry I'm late, everyone. To be fair, it was... the reason I'm late is very important.
[01:11:47.880 -> 01:11:52.600] I was waiting for some new parts for my Sim rig, so there wasn't any reason for it.
[01:11:52.600 -> 01:11:56.120] It was my screen breakage, yeah.
[01:11:56.120 -> 01:12:01.240] The game of Twister that just happened on the other side of the shed was so worth it.
[01:12:01.240 -> 01:12:02.240] So thank you for being late.
[01:12:02.240 -> 01:12:06.880] Can we just commend everyone's ability to not get distracted by that as well.
[01:12:06.880 -> 01:12:07.680] Yeah I know you are.
[01:12:07.680 -> 01:12:08.960] Pure chaos in the corner of my eye there.
[01:12:08.960 -> 01:12:11.280] Oh my goodness. Antonio, you are an absolute pro.
[01:12:12.080 -> 01:12:17.200] I wouldn't have let Matt speak. Well, three grown men, massive hurdles.
[01:12:17.200 -> 01:12:20.560] What was that? There were limbs in places that limbs should not be.
[01:12:21.920 -> 01:12:23.840] I'm just surprised one of us didn't get cramped to be honest.
[01:12:23.840 -> 01:12:25.040] A bit, I tell you. But that's surprised one of us didn't get cramped to be honest.
[01:12:25.040 -> 01:12:30.000] But that's the beauty of these live shows. And by the way guys, if you're listening to
[01:12:30.000 -> 01:12:35.960] this, the whole point of us all gathering here in my shed is just so we can see if we
[01:12:35.960 -> 01:12:41.560] can do live shows and stand each other's company for a little while. Because Myst Apex is going
[01:12:41.560 -> 01:12:46.120] on the road and I am speaking to a venue as we speak about having in the
[01:12:46.120 -> 01:12:53.180] summer our first Myst Apex live show ever that doesn't revolve around a karting event.
[01:12:53.180 -> 01:12:58.400] So I hope a bunch of you will join us for that. I'm hoping that we can get an audience
[01:12:58.400 -> 01:13:02.840] of 40 or 50 people to come and hang out somewhere in London.
[01:13:02.840 -> 01:13:06.800] Yeah, if you guys have watched the Grand Tour or Top Gear, it's like that, but with considerably
[01:13:06.800 -> 01:13:07.800] cooler hosts.
[01:13:07.800 -> 01:13:10.600] Yeah, and we will definitely be plastered.
[01:13:10.600 -> 01:13:11.600] Speak for yourself.
[01:13:11.600 -> 01:13:17.680] I'm going to stay away from the red wine this time, though.
[01:13:17.680 -> 01:13:21.200] Which means that, you know, that ruins half the entertainment, at least.
[01:13:21.200 -> 01:13:26.760] But Scott Tuffy, a relatively recent addition to the missed Apex panel, go and check out
[01:13:26.760 -> 01:13:32.300] Stuffy's sim racing channel where the number one thing you do, Scott, that I am jealous
[01:13:32.300 -> 01:13:37.880] of is keep your cool when random sim racing people just wipe you out like Van Gene.
[01:13:37.880 -> 01:13:39.880] I've never wiped him out, thank you very much.
[01:13:39.880 -> 01:13:40.880] No, we haven't actually.
[01:13:40.880 -> 01:13:41.880] This is Kat.
[01:13:41.880 -> 01:13:42.880] That's because I'm always in a higher split.
[01:13:42.880 -> 01:13:43.880] Oh, Jesus.
[01:13:43.880 -> 01:13:44.880] That's not fair.
[01:13:44.880 -> 01:13:47.840] Yeah, that's right, Van Gene, off the's because I'm always in a higher split. Oh!
[01:13:53.040 -> 01:13:59.200] Yeah that's right Vanjean, off the mic. I was trying to paint this harmonious picture of the missed apex, Craig. Yeah no I do try and keep my cool because as the internet is a very fickle
[01:13:59.200 -> 01:14:03.600] place if you say something that's... You don't want to get cancelled. Yeah. You can be completely
[01:14:03.600 -> 01:14:09.280] taken out of context although I would, I think a lot of people do try and just, I do try and justify it sometimes if I
[01:14:09.280 -> 01:14:13.360] do lose a little bit of my cool, but yeah, no, I do try, as I said, years of practice of losing
[01:14:13.360 -> 01:14:18.880] my temper at playing golf, I've now, as I've got older, I like to think I'm wiser and a little bit
[01:14:18.880 -> 01:14:22.880] more calmer. Well that certainly hasn't worked for me, but we've been talking about the fan
[01:14:22.880 -> 01:14:30.160] experience and attending Formula One races, you have just had a great fan experience, which is a visit
[01:14:30.160 -> 01:14:36.200] to the Mercedes factory. And I would love to hear your experience. I mean, I'm wondering,
[01:14:36.200 -> 01:14:41.960] is it like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? Were the workers looking at you suspiciously,
[01:14:41.960 -> 01:14:45.840] telling you deep secrets, but through the form of song, luring you deeper
[01:14:45.840 -> 01:14:47.720] and deeper into a trap.
[01:14:47.720 -> 01:14:51.420] There were some oompa loompas that went through the wall but I have no idea where it went
[01:14:51.420 -> 01:14:52.420] to.
[01:14:52.420 -> 01:14:54.920] Yeah, no, it was an unbelievable experience.
[01:14:54.920 -> 01:14:59.680] I was fortunate enough to be invited, it was a winner of a competition.
[01:14:59.680 -> 01:15:01.900] Oh, you got it from being good at sim racing?
[01:15:01.900 -> 01:15:02.900] It was, yeah.
[01:15:02.900 -> 01:15:03.900] Wow.
[01:15:03.900 -> 01:15:04.900] It qualified for...
[01:15:04.900 -> 01:15:05.760] Gosh. They had like IWC,
[01:15:05.760 -> 01:15:12.400] their watch partner, they had an iRacing event, qualified for it and to be fair I have to put all
[01:15:12.400 -> 01:15:16.800] the credit down to the team because it was because my teammates... Oh don't Lewis Hamilton us!
[01:15:16.800 -> 01:15:21.200] I was, I was terrible! Yeah man, I was just like... I ran at the factory! Yeah and the crowd,
[01:15:22.080 -> 01:15:26.080] the crowd, you were like the extra pit stop man guys guys. No, come on, it was down to you.
[01:15:26.080 -> 01:15:26.560] You did good.
[01:15:26.560 -> 01:15:28.720] I'll take credit for it. It was all because of me that we was there.
[01:15:28.720 -> 01:15:30.720] But no, it was a great experience.
[01:15:32.320 -> 01:15:33.600] We had to hand over our phones.
[01:15:33.600 -> 01:15:34.480] It was certain things.
[01:15:34.480 -> 01:15:35.280] Really?
[01:15:35.280 -> 01:15:35.760] Wow.
[01:15:35.760 -> 01:15:37.440] Yeah, I mean, there's certain things I can talk about.
[01:15:37.440 -> 01:15:39.760] To be honest, I designed an NDA.
[01:15:39.760 -> 01:15:40.640] Oh, you did?
[01:15:40.640 -> 01:15:47.360] Yeah, but I can't tell you any secrets that they had because I wouldn't be able to, if
[01:15:47.360 -> 01:15:50.360] Matt went for it, I wouldn't be able to go, oh hang on, hang on, hang on.
[01:15:50.360 -> 01:15:51.360] No, not really.
[01:15:51.360 -> 01:15:52.360] Oh.
[01:15:52.360 -> 01:15:54.520] No, there was lots of designers there and the screens opened.
[01:15:54.520 -> 01:15:56.600] Okay, so who's the most high profile person?
[01:15:56.600 -> 01:16:00.240] How did you not take loads of pictures with your phone illicitly?
[01:16:00.240 -> 01:16:02.680] Yeah, true, I didn't have a spare phone.
[01:16:02.680 -> 01:16:03.680] Just because you would try to.
[01:16:03.680 -> 01:16:06.100] I was very tired of the secret phone. illicitly Just cuz you would I
[01:16:06.100 -> 01:16:12.540] Actually got upgraded at my very first formula e-race for just like wandering over and taking pictures of things that I was interested in
[01:16:12.540 -> 01:16:14.540] So yes, I would exactly do that
[01:16:15.180 -> 01:16:19.580] The most best we always better say the most famous person I've ever seen to ya. Yeah
[01:16:20.460 -> 01:16:25.080] The only high-profile person we bumped into is James Addison and funny enough he's been
[01:16:25.080 -> 01:16:27.680] in the news recently but he's not working in F1.
[01:16:27.680 -> 01:16:30.600] But he was at the factory.
[01:16:30.600 -> 01:16:36.520] He was walking, we'd just gone through the office of the designers which is just 250
[01:16:36.520 -> 01:16:42.240] odd designers that got in this office which is unbelievable.
[01:16:42.240 -> 01:16:45.600] He just walked past and the guy at the talk I was like you alright James?
[01:16:47.920 -> 01:16:50.400] So he didn't stop and talk to you he just happened to see him in the
[01:16:50.400 -> 01:16:54.880] wild. Literally walking past in the corridor. And you had no questions for him?
[01:16:55.600 -> 01:16:59.200] No no it's so quiet. You should have turned on the Essex charm.
[01:16:59.200 -> 01:17:02.640] In their designer's office. Oh hello Ali, Ali baby.
[01:17:04.000 -> 01:17:06.000] office. Oh, hello, Ali, Ali baby! How's it going? What are you doing with me?
[01:17:06.000 -> 01:17:11.000] No, it was, the biggest thing I took away from it was just the level of coordination.
[01:17:11.000 -> 01:17:14.500] Yeah. But, I mean, they've got over 2,000 people
[01:17:14.500 -> 01:17:19.180] working there and you think it's all lip service when Lewis Hamilton at the end of the race
[01:17:19.180 -> 01:17:25.000] goes everyone back at the factory, everyone back at the factory is, oh, it's because of you guys.
[01:17:25.000 -> 01:17:31.860] Until you actually see it in person and you realize what goes into creating just two cars
[01:17:31.860 -> 01:17:34.040] is unbelievable.
[01:17:34.040 -> 01:17:40.000] What I love about this is like, I know we have a race coming up, a 24 hour race.
[01:17:40.000 -> 01:17:41.000] Oh yes.
[01:17:41.000 -> 01:17:49.040] And I always love talking to you about this because you don't like this style of racing.
[01:17:49.040 -> 01:17:50.560] Not because you don't like racing these cars.
[01:17:50.560 -> 01:17:52.720] It just takes too long.
[01:17:52.720 -> 01:17:53.720] Not because it takes too long.
[01:17:53.720 -> 01:17:54.720] Does it take 24 hours?
[01:17:54.720 -> 01:17:55.720] It is that.
[01:17:55.720 -> 01:17:57.200] That is why I don't like it.
[01:17:57.200 -> 01:18:01.280] But because you have teammates, you are terrified of letting down.
[01:18:01.280 -> 01:18:02.280] Oh my god.
[01:18:02.280 -> 01:18:07.200] And so, and one of the things that I love to point out about, you know, we all
[01:18:07.200 -> 01:18:12.400] see the drivers and you're like, oh, they're driving a car. How hard could that be? And
[01:18:12.400 -> 01:18:18.000] the answer is, it's extremely hard. But one of the hardest things I would imagine being
[01:18:18.000 -> 01:18:26.080] a driver is knowing to the degree that Stuffy just described to us exactly how many people are going to
[01:18:26.080 -> 01:18:33.040] be let down if like you miss your breaking point by one and a half meters in a race in
[01:18:33.040 -> 01:18:40.240] one out of 60 laps or you press the break bias break magic button lewis jingo well
[01:18:40.240 -> 01:18:45.200] that too i was trying to be kind but yeah.
[01:18:50.880 -> 01:18:54.960] Yeah, no, I mean I visited the Alpine factory last year, also a fantastic phenomenal experience and even though, I mean I think it's about a quarter of the workforce, but even then you
[01:18:54.960 -> 01:19:00.960] just get a sense of the scale of everything, it's insane. You know, I was holding these single parts
[01:19:00.960 -> 01:19:05.280] of cars that took five years to design and it's so intricately done.
[01:19:05.280 -> 01:19:11.040] And it honestly, even when you know the engineering side of sport and you appreciate the engineering
[01:19:11.040 -> 01:19:15.520] side of the sport, actually being able to comprehend it is something else.
[01:19:16.400 -> 01:19:21.320] Most definitely, because you hear of it, you get all these numbers thrown about and until
[01:19:21.320 -> 01:19:22.320] you actually see it in person.
[01:19:22.320 -> 01:19:26.580] And I think I think that's why some drivers as well, I can see why they probably don't like going
[01:19:26.580 -> 01:19:27.420] to the factories.
[01:19:27.420 -> 01:19:28.680] They don't like going to the bases
[01:19:28.680 -> 01:19:32.520] because if they are more of a people person,
[01:19:32.520 -> 01:19:35.840] then they're gonna have this pressure on them,
[01:19:35.840 -> 01:19:36.980] an extra added weight of pressure,
[01:19:36.980 -> 01:19:38.520] but I'm letting all of these people down
[01:19:38.520 -> 01:19:40.340] if they make a mistake on track.
[01:19:40.340 -> 01:19:42.540] Whereas if they stay detached,
[01:19:42.540 -> 01:19:45.120] they're able to just focus on their main job.
[01:19:45.120 -> 01:19:47.280] But because of simulator work now and stuff,
[01:19:47.280 -> 01:19:48.120] they're required.
[01:19:48.120 -> 01:19:50.520] And you really get a sense of that at the factory, do you?
[01:19:50.520 -> 01:19:51.360] Definitely, yeah.
[01:19:51.360 -> 01:19:52.760] And is that a money can buy tool?
[01:19:52.760 -> 01:19:54.160] Like, could I buy that?
[01:19:54.160 -> 01:19:58.040] No, so Mercedes only offer this to their partners,
[01:19:58.040 -> 01:20:00.960] so their sponsorships, or you have to be invited,
[01:20:00.960 -> 01:20:04.680] or unless you work for IWC or Petronas or something.
[01:20:04.680 -> 01:20:07.060] So yeah, no, it was a great experience.
[01:20:08.580 -> 01:20:11.400] It's like, could you imagine being Mick Schumacher
[01:20:11.400 -> 01:20:13.380] after almost every race where you've caused
[01:20:13.380 -> 01:20:15.620] some sort of massive damage to the car,
[01:20:15.620 -> 01:20:17.020] having to go back to the factory
[01:20:17.020 -> 01:20:18.260] and look at all those people in the aisle
[01:20:18.260 -> 01:20:19.960] and go, I'm really sorry I screwed up your car.
[01:20:19.960 -> 01:20:23.160] But it's funny, I've had a similar experience to Scott
[01:20:23.160 -> 01:20:24.740] with regards to factory tours.
[01:20:24.740 -> 01:20:26.640] I got to go see, this is a long time ago now,
[01:20:26.640 -> 01:20:28.560] but I got to go see the Williams factory.
[01:20:28.560 -> 01:20:30.460] And again, it was just, even back then
[01:20:30.460 -> 01:20:32.760] when they still weren't a top running team,
[01:20:32.760 -> 01:20:34.680] it was after their glory time,
[01:20:34.680 -> 01:20:37.640] the factory is precision and you just look at these places
[01:20:37.640 -> 01:20:40.320] and you don't understand how they could possibly
[01:20:40.320 -> 01:20:43.200] not build something that's the best thing
[01:20:43.200 -> 01:20:44.500] that you can possibly build.
[01:20:44.500 -> 01:20:49.500] And they are just unbelievable places of absolute excellence. So when it
[01:20:49.500 -> 01:20:54.400] goes wrong, you've got the highest possible grade thing that's going
[01:20:54.400 -> 01:20:57.500] wrong because they put nothing to chance. It's incredible.
[01:20:57.500 -> 01:21:08.560] Scott, big takeaway from that factory tour though, did you sneak in and see them building secret side pods? That's what we
[01:21:08.560 -> 01:21:15.840] need to know. B-spec. Is it happening? I cannot confirm or deny. No, unfortunately, the one thing
[01:21:16.720 -> 01:21:26.400] which they did say we was hoping to see was them fire up the W14. another version of the car that they've got there, but it wasn't the case.
[01:21:26.400 -> 01:21:32.400] But I did see two W13s stripped back. I think I'm fair to say that.
[01:21:32.400 -> 01:21:33.400] In the bin, hopefully.
[01:21:33.400 -> 01:21:39.840] Yeah, well, funnily enough, they used them because obviously they're still learning from
[01:21:39.840 -> 01:21:47.000] the previous year and because it's still the ground effect, they are still using those chassis,
[01:21:47.000 -> 01:21:51.280] they're still using the car and I saw it stripped back a couple of them and it was amazing.
[01:21:51.280 -> 01:21:58.200] Also saw Michael Schumacher's 2012 car as well in the showroom section in the factory
[01:21:58.200 -> 01:22:03.800] but it's just how pristine the whole place is and yeah, I'm sure there was parts there
[01:22:03.800 -> 01:22:05.680] that they was working on,
[01:22:05.680 -> 01:22:07.520] but it was all obviously stuff.
[01:22:07.520 -> 01:22:12.880] I don't know. I'm not a body language expert, but I'm looking at Scott stuffy toughy. He's
[01:22:12.880 -> 01:22:13.880] lying. He's lying.
[01:22:13.880 -> 01:22:14.880] He's got a twitch.
[01:22:14.880 -> 01:22:28.960] Well, we did. And this was not part of, we got, I got told there's a big upgrade coming, a visually upgrade coming in a couple of races
[01:22:28.960 -> 01:22:29.960] to come.
[01:22:29.960 -> 01:22:30.960] Side pods!
[01:22:30.960 -> 01:22:31.960] Most likely, I reckon.
[01:22:31.960 -> 01:22:34.560] Totally wasn't there for me to tap them on the shoulder.
[01:22:34.560 -> 01:22:40.560] Well let's hope they don't take too much inspiration from that W13, it's purely to learn from.
[01:22:40.560 -> 01:23:10.760] The big question from a kind of a fan speculation point of view Matt, and from a tech side and I'm looking more towards yourself and Antonia here, is the increased performance in Australia, and in fact in Saudi and Australia, has got everyone thinking actually maybe they've just got their crap together with the package that they've got going, there's a lot of people, strangely, that are accusing them of hiding a little bit of performance. I think not in the fact that they're actively holding
[01:23:10.760 -> 01:23:16.300] back performance, but in that they are hiding the potential that they've got. They're downplaying
[01:23:16.300 -> 01:23:22.760] it saying, oh no, we need to completely change concept, when in fact, if they just maybe
[01:23:22.760 -> 01:23:25.160] got things together a little bit more, got the setup
[01:23:25.160 -> 01:23:30.220] right, got themselves in the right window, they might have a much more competitive package
[01:23:30.220 -> 01:23:35.280] than has been apparent, say, especially out of Bahrain in race one.
[01:23:35.280 -> 01:23:41.080] Well, I'm not going to say I had this conversation with Summers yesterday at dinner.
[01:23:41.080 -> 01:23:42.080] Okay.
[01:23:42.080 -> 01:23:48.680] But the reality of the Mercedes package is that I believe it is really competitive for
[01:23:48.680 -> 01:23:53.600] beating everybody but Red Bull.
[01:23:53.600 -> 01:23:56.520] And that's not really sufficient for Mercedes.
[01:23:56.520 -> 01:24:03.880] Like I think circuit-specific developments, if they went all in on the season, yeah, they
[01:24:03.880 -> 01:24:06.440] could maybe take second in the constructors.
[01:24:07.040 -> 01:24:10.780] Louis might beat Perez, or Russell.
[01:24:10.880 -> 01:24:12.580] I mean, one never knows.
[01:24:13.180 -> 01:24:16.180] But the reality is Mercedes knows,
[01:24:16.280 -> 01:24:20.420] looking at the numbers, they've not got a concept right now
[01:24:20.920 -> 01:24:22.160] that can beat Red Bull.
[01:24:22.560 -> 01:24:28.480] And therefore, they're not interested in anything other than beating
[01:24:28.480 -> 01:24:29.480] Red Bull.
[01:24:29.480 -> 01:24:35.940] Yeah, I mean I do agree. I mean being good will never be good enough. Every team wants
[01:24:35.940 -> 01:24:41.300] to be great but the tech is either there or it isn't there. You know the concept and the
[01:24:41.300 -> 01:24:44.440] actual technology that the team have are two completely different things. You know they
[01:24:44.440 -> 01:24:46.800] can have they can have everything planned out, mapped
[01:24:46.800 -> 01:24:52.300] out the perfect car, but if they haven't actually got the execution, that's what matters. And
[01:24:52.300 -> 01:24:58.100] I've lost a bit of faith in the, or belief in the idea of sandbagging, or, you know,
[01:24:58.100 -> 01:25:02.620] they're hiding their full performance, because why on earth would they do that? There's no
[01:25:02.620 -> 01:25:05.900] point now in playing the underdog. They are the underdog.
[01:25:05.900 -> 01:25:08.300] Okay, so let me clarify what I meant there.
[01:25:08.300 -> 01:25:12.000] It's not that they're actively holding back performance.
[01:25:12.000 -> 01:25:16.800] I think they might look at the fact that they've not been able to maximise their results
[01:25:16.800 -> 01:25:21.100] and go, oh yeah, no, it's really terrible, we're lost, we do have to go to this B concept.
[01:25:21.100 -> 01:25:28.520] The thing that they could be hiding is that actually they just need to unlock a little bit of the potential of the package that they've got and they're probably
[01:25:28.520 -> 01:25:30.520] going to be there or thereabouts.
[01:25:30.520 -> 01:25:37.840] Well, exactly. But that's the thing. If the car they have now is in theory the perfect
[01:25:37.840 -> 01:25:41.620] car and they've just got to make a couple of tweaks, that actually seems like a bigger
[01:25:41.620 -> 01:25:47.680] leap because the team then have got to figure out what has been under their nose and what they've been missing and make a big technological
[01:25:47.680 -> 01:25:53.440] advance. That's actually in theory harder than changing everything about the car because
[01:25:53.440 -> 01:25:57.760] then at least you can say, well, the issue wasn't the car, it was the whole thought process.
[01:25:57.760 -> 01:26:02.540] Whereas this way, they've got to find the most intricate, small, maximizing detail and
[01:26:02.540 -> 01:26:06.260] somehow draw that out, identify it and perfect it, which
[01:26:06.260 -> 01:26:08.480] is in theory really difficult.
[01:26:08.480 -> 01:26:09.480] Matt?
[01:26:09.480 -> 01:26:16.000] Yeah, well, I mean, this is the issue of, you know, you gotta kill the babies.
[01:26:16.000 -> 01:26:17.000] What?
[01:26:17.000 -> 01:26:18.000] Gotta drown the kittens.
[01:26:18.000 -> 01:26:19.000] Do we?
[01:26:19.000 -> 01:26:20.000] Do we have to drown kittens?
[01:26:20.000 -> 01:26:28.080] This has, I do not endorse the killing of babies or kittens. But you have to be willing, as a Formula One team,
[01:26:28.080 -> 01:26:33.080] to say that your baby, your idea, your concept-
[01:26:34.040 -> 01:26:35.200] I'm so glad this is a metaphor.
[01:26:35.200 -> 01:26:36.700] The lawyers are on the floor.
[01:26:36.700 -> 01:26:41.080] Is not viable.
[01:26:41.080 -> 01:26:42.040] Yeah.
[01:26:42.040 -> 01:26:44.120] Put it in a bag, drown it in a river,
[01:26:44.120 -> 01:26:45.640] and move on to the next one.
[01:26:45.640 -> 01:26:46.640] No!
[01:26:46.640 -> 01:26:49.280] This show is going to need to be so heavily edited.
[01:26:49.280 -> 01:26:54.960] No, no, I didn't say anything about drowning anything, so I'm okay.
[01:26:54.960 -> 01:26:57.440] But cut it right there, press play now.
[01:26:57.440 -> 01:27:01.080] And I'm sorry, I'm going to point my finger over at Scott here.
[01:27:01.080 -> 01:27:05.000] Scott would definitely drown kittens. Oh. Oh.
[01:27:05.000 -> 01:27:06.000] Yeah.
[01:27:06.000 -> 01:27:13.080] And just from, you know, your WhatsApp reportage of your factory tour, I think that's very
[01:27:13.080 -> 01:27:15.840] much where Mercedes is right now.
[01:27:15.840 -> 01:27:19.080] They have an, and it's an alluring thing.
[01:27:19.080 -> 01:27:20.080] It's like being an addict.
[01:27:20.080 -> 01:27:27.280] Oh, I just need one more hit of meth and I will have a business that takes the world by storm.
[01:27:28.240 -> 01:27:35.760] Like the numbers in the wind tunnel, the numbers I see in the simulators are so addictive because
[01:27:35.760 -> 01:27:45.240] I can see them being so much better than anything that's out there now. But those numbers aren't a reality.
[01:27:45.240 -> 01:27:52.000] And the reality is the Mercedes concept as we see it now will, as good as it is, and
[01:27:52.000 -> 01:27:57.100] I wouldn't even take it away, taking a race or two from Red Bull at very specific circuits
[01:27:57.100 -> 01:28:04.840] that suit them, is not a concept that over the course of a season will beat Red Bull.
[01:28:04.840 -> 01:28:06.240] And they have to acknowledge it.
[01:28:06.240 -> 01:28:06.800] Yes, Scott.
[01:28:06.800 -> 01:28:07.760] And move on.
[01:28:07.760 -> 01:28:09.600] Yeah, stuffy.
[01:28:09.600 -> 01:28:10.100] Yeah.
[01:28:10.720 -> 01:28:14.160] Well, you're not too far off the point there, apart from killing babies and taking meth.
[01:28:15.520 -> 01:28:17.120] Analogies, analogies.
[01:28:17.120 -> 01:28:24.080] The roots of apex lawyers would very much like you to know those were complicated literary devices.
[01:28:24.080 -> 01:28:27.400] Also, we are in Essex and we have to respect the culture of where we are.
[01:28:27.400 -> 01:28:30.880] Well, as an Essex girl, let's be so kind about Essex.
[01:28:30.880 -> 01:28:39.520] It's funny that you do say that because I did ask the Mercedes guy who was taking us
[01:28:39.520 -> 01:28:43.640] around and I did ask him, I said, why have you not, I'm really surprised none of the
[01:28:43.640 -> 01:28:48.800] teams and you in particular have not protested any of the Red Bull car.
[01:28:48.800 -> 01:28:50.480] I said, why is that?
[01:28:50.480 -> 01:28:55.880] And he said, plain and simple, we need to completely understand why they're so fast
[01:28:55.880 -> 01:28:57.720] and we don't yet know that.
[01:28:57.720 -> 01:29:04.200] Which correlates to the fact of that they can't translate what Red Bull are doing into
[01:29:04.200 -> 01:29:05.560] their own car and the other teams are
[01:29:05.560 -> 01:29:10.680] the same. Because considering how much Mercedes were protested by Red Bull in the past and
[01:29:10.680 -> 01:29:16.800] other teams, I thought that was quite a pertinent question and clearly they just don't quite
[01:29:16.800 -> 01:29:20.800] have their own concept down or understand why Red Bull are so fast in this new ground
[01:29:20.800 -> 01:29:21.800] effect era.
[01:29:21.800 -> 01:29:29.840] I completely agree. I think the thing that's got all of the teams trumped isn't the fact that Red Bull's so fast, it's how on earth they're doing it. You know,
[01:29:29.840 -> 01:29:34.640] there haven't been any even attempts at replicating the speed of Red Bull just because
[01:29:34.640 -> 01:29:39.680] they don't even know where to begin these teams. You know, it's like if you gave them a Red Bull
[01:29:39.680 -> 01:29:50.160] car and told them to take it apart and tell them, you know, report back what was making it quick. They'd still shake their heads and have no idea what was happening. It's not so much as
[01:29:50.160 -> 01:29:54.720] the facilities and they don't have the tech compared to Red Bull. It's that they don't even
[01:29:54.720 -> 01:30:01.040] have an idea, which baffles me because it's such a huge gap. You would think it was almost like
[01:30:01.040 -> 01:30:05.440] their MGUH is switched on and everyone else's isn't. It's huge. And
[01:30:05.440 -> 01:30:12.720] how can something so huge be eluding such industry experts? You know, Adrian Newey is,
[01:30:12.720 -> 01:30:19.720] wow, he's incredible. He's quite good. The best ever. But he's not superhuman. Isn't
[01:30:19.720 -> 01:30:27.400] he though? He works with real physics, real maths. In theory, it can be replicated. So how is no
[01:30:27.400 -> 01:30:28.960] one even close?
[01:30:28.960 -> 01:30:33.720] Yeah, and that is something that the rest of the F1 teams are going to figure out. And
[01:30:33.720 -> 01:30:38.240] they've had three weeks extra to figure out because of this winter break. And I hope you've
[01:30:38.240 -> 01:30:44.200] enjoyed this attempt at filming a Missed Apex podcast with people in the actual shed. So
[01:30:44.200 -> 01:30:46.560] I would say go and follow my panel just off camera, the Statler and Walthorff of Missed Apex podcast with people in the actual shed. So I would say go and follow my panel
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