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## Missed Apex Podcast: Episode Recap

**Title:** I Was Forecast for an Afternoon Nap by Now. How Did We Mess This Up?

**Hosts:** Spanners, Matt Trumpets, Alex Vangeen, Antonia Rankin

**Key Points:**

* An unexpected rainstorm during the Dutch Grand Prix brought excitement and strategic challenges to the race.
* Teams had to make quick decisions about when to pit for wet tires, leading to a variety of strategies and outcomes.
* Verstappen, Gasly, and Leclerc made the best strategic calls and finished in the top three positions.
* Mercedes and McLaren struggled with their strategy, causing both of their drivers to miss out on potential podium finishes.
* Perez had a disastrous race, making several mistakes and ultimately finishing in eighth place.
* Red Bull's dominance continued, with Verstappen winning his ninth race of the season.

**Detailed Summary:**

The Dutch Grand Prix started with a dry track, but a sudden rainstorm just as the race began caught many teams off guard. Several drivers, including Lewis Hamilton, stayed out on slick tires while others pitted for intermediates.

Perez, Gasly, Leclerc, and Alonso were among the first to pit, and they quickly gained an advantage over the drivers who stayed out. Hamilton eventually pitted for intermediates on lap three, but it was too late, and he dropped down the order.

The race was red-flagged on lap 11 due to heavy rain, and the drivers had to wait for the track to be cleared. When the race resumed, Verstappen was in the lead, followed by Perez and Alonso.

Verstappen and Perez pulled away from the rest of the field, but Perez made several mistakes and eventually dropped down the order. Alonso also had a strong race, but he was unable to catch Verstappen.

Gasly finished in third place, ahead of Leclerc and Hamilton. Norris, Ocon, Albon, and Zhou rounded out the top 10.

The race was a victory for Red Bull, with Verstappen extending his lead in the Drivers' Championship. It was also a good day for Gasly and Leclerc, who both scored podium finishes.

**Controversies and Insights:**

* Some drivers and teams criticized the FIA for starting the race on time despite the impending rain.
* Mercedes' strategy was widely criticized, with many believing that they should have pitted Hamilton for intermediates sooner.
* Perez's poor performance raised questions about his future at Red Bull.
* Red Bull's continued dominance suggests that they are the team to beat in the remaining races of the season.

**Overall:**

The Dutch Grand Prix was an exciting and unpredictable race that was decided by strategy and tire management. Verstappen's victory further cemented his status as the favorite for the Drivers' Championship, while Red Bull's dominance continued. **Summary of the Missed Apex Podcast Episode on the Dutch Grand Prix**

**Introduction:**

* The podcast begins with a discussion about the superior strategies and inexplicable errors seen in the Dutch Grand Prix.
* The hosts, Spanners, Matt Trumpets, Alex Vangeen, and Antonia Rankin, introduce themselves and their expertise in Formula One racing.

**Main Discussion:**

* The podcast delves into the key moments and controversies of the race, highlighting the following points:
* The strategic decisions made by the teams, particularly the timing of pit stops and tire changes, played a crucial role in determining the race outcome.
* Several drivers made uncharacteristic errors, leading to incidents and penalties that affected their positions.
* The weather conditions, which included rain and a red flag period, added an element of unpredictability and forced teams to adapt their strategies.
* The emergence of Fernando Alonso as a podium contender, showcasing his skill and experience in challenging conditions.
* The disappointment among Mercedes fans due to Lewis Hamilton's poor qualifying performance and subsequent struggles in the race.
* The impressive performance of George Russell, who despite facing setbacks, showed strong pace and fighting spirit.
* The potential impact of the race on the driver market, with several drivers putting in notable performances that could influence their future prospects.

**Key Insights and Perspectives:**

* The hosts provide insightful analysis and commentary on the race, offering their perspectives on the following aspects:
* The importance of adaptability and quick decision-making in Formula One, especially in changing weather conditions.
* The significance of driver skill and experience in navigating difficult circumstances and maximizing opportunities.
* The role of team strategy and pit stop execution in determining race outcomes.
* The impact of driver errors and incidents on the overall race dynamics.
* The potential for certain drivers to emerge as title contenders or future stars based on their performances.

**Controversies and Particularly Insightful Moments:**

* The podcast highlights several controversial moments and particularly insightful observations made by the hosts:
* The decision to start the race on intermediate tires despite the drying track conditions, leading to criticism from some fans and experts.
* The contrasting performances of Lewis Hamilton and George Russell, with Hamilton struggling in qualifying and the race, while Russell showed strong pace.
* The emergence of Liam Lawson, a Red Bull junior driver, in the AlphaTauri car, raising questions about the relationship between the two teams.
* The potential impact of the race on the driver market, with several drivers putting in notable performances that could influence their future prospects.

**Overall Message and Takeaway:**

* The podcast concludes with a brief statement encapsulating the overall message or takeaway from the Dutch Grand Prix:
* Formula One is a sport that demands adaptability, skill, and strategic decision-making, with even the smallest errors or changes in conditions having a significant impact on the race outcome.
* The Dutch Grand Prix showcased the importance of these factors, with drivers like Fernando Alonso and George Russell demonstrating their ability to thrive in challenging circumstances. **Summary of Missed Apex Podcast Episode on the Dutch Grand Prix**

* The podcast begins with a discussion about the unique characteristics of the Dutch Grand Prix track, particularly the difficulty in overtaking in Sector 2.
* The hosts analyze Lewis Hamilton's qualifying performance and suggest that the changes made to his car setup may have contributed to his poor performance.
* They also discuss George Russell's impressive qualifying lap, which secured him a front-row starting position.
* The main focus of the episode is the race strategy employed by Mercedes, which involved leaving Russell out on the hard tires for an extended period.
* The hosts debate the merits of this strategy, with some arguing that it was a mistake that cost Russell a podium finish, while others defend the team's decision.
* They also discuss the impact of the safety car periods on the race and how they affected the strategies of the various teams.
* The episode concludes with a discussion of the overall performance of Mercedes in the Dutch Grand Prix and their prospects for the remainder of the season.

**Key Insights and Controversies:**

* There was a significant debate among the hosts about the effectiveness of Mercedes' race strategy for George Russell. Some argued that leaving him out on the hard tires for so long was a mistake, while others defended the team's decision.
* There was also some discussion about the relative strengths and weaknesses of Lewis Hamilton and George Russell as drivers.
* The episode highlighted the importance of track position and tire management in Formula One racing.
* The hosts also discussed the impact of the safety car periods on the race and how they affected the strategies of the various teams.

**Overall Message:**

The overall message of the podcast episode is that the Dutch Grand Prix was a challenging race for Mercedes, with the team struggling to find the right balance between performance and tire management. Despite this, George Russell drove an impressive race and was unlucky to miss out on a podium finish. The episode also highlights the importance of track position and tire management in Formula One racing. **Missed Apex Podcast Episode Transcript and Summary: Dutch Grand Prix**

**Introduction:**

- Hosts: Spanners, Matt Trumpets, Alex Vangeen, and Antonia Rankin

- Discussion of the Dutch Grand Prix, including strategies, errors, and weather conditions

- Music by Gareth Machray

**Body:**

**Sargent's Crash:**

- Sargent crashed due to a hydraulic failure, not driver error

- Ferrari defended Leclerc in a similar situation at Imola

- Williams may be trying to protect Sargent's reputation and future contracts

- Occam's razor suggests the simplest explanation is the most likely

- Power steering failure can make it difficult to control a Formula 1 car

**Stroll's Performance:**

- Stroll finished 11th despite a suboptimal strategy

- He kept his race ticking over and avoided trouble

- Kudos to Stroll for a decent performance

**Verstappen and Gasly Incident:**

- Verstappen ran Gasly off the track at Turn 3

- Some argue it was a block pass, but it was not

- A block pass leaves room for the other driver to exist

- Running someone off the track is not a block pass

- The stewards are penalizing the consequence, not the action

- Penalizing drivers for avoiding crashes could have unintended consequences

- Verstappen banks on other drivers being afraid of him

- Other drivers are not fighting Verstappen as hard as they should

- Only Alonso seems willing to challenge Verstappen

**Awards:**

- No awards were discussed in the provided transcript.

**Conclusion:**

- The episode concludes with a brief discussion of the Dutch Grand Prix and the various topics covered.

**Overall:**

- The provided transcript covers a range of topics related to the Dutch Grand Prix, including driver performances, controversial incidents, and the overall state of the championship. The hosts provide insightful analysis and commentary, making the podcast an informative and engaging listen for Formula 1 fans. * **Missed Apex Podcast Episode 45 Transcript:**

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**Matt Trumpets:** Spanners Ready and Matt Trumpets are joined by driver analyst Alex “Jeansy” Vangeen and F1 media breakout star Antonia Rankin as they run all the compounds at the Dutch Grand Prix. From superior strategies to inexplicable errors, no weather forecast goes ignored in this, the latest episode of Missed Apex Podcast.

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**Spanners Ready:** **Awards**

**Matt Trumpets:** Okay, so I'm going to look around the panel and see who's been the brightest ray of positivity on the panel and alarmingly it's been Matt. So Matt, you've been the most positive person. Who's your good thing? I know this is shocking. Have you been drinking?

**Matt Trumpets:** No, but I'm second. I'm the second most positive person on this show.

**Spanners Ready:** So you and me get to go first with the Good Thing Awards.

**Matt Trumpets:** After you.

**Spanners Ready:** I'm going to go with Williams and Alex Albarn in particular. They have shown the world that they have recovered from the depths of finishing dead last in Formula One. And Albarn in particular, I want to hold out as a model to all Formula One drivers because he went up to the microphone today and said, well, you know, we need to understand what's happening here. But like there was this thing where in all the low speed corners, we had a headwind. So I think we've got some new information to deal with. Could every driver just please like, you know, send me telemetryry, reports from your engineers post raise. It would just help me a lot. And I promise I will tell no one. Yeah, I'll keep it to myself. But it's finding the positive, even when it doesn't quite go to your liking. So I spent a whole week producing a short audio book. I got 95% of the way in and Matt, I called you to cry about it, and then the project got cancelled. The last chapter, it got cancelled. And you go, it's easy to be crushed about that, but you go, actually, I learned loads about the process. And so hopefully that will advance the podcast and future audio books. So if he's in that positive mindset where, yeah, we qualified fourth, we didn't end up on the podium, but look, we're discovering things about these nuanced parts of our car in this particular situation. I think that shows to me that is a team that's on the up. And it's really difficult to not point at James Vowles because there's a very distinct line between awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, James Vowles, positive, positive, positive, results, results, results. I would find it very hard to go away from that conclusion.

**Matt Trumpets:** You want me to argue with you?

**Spanners Ready:** No, no, agree. Agree like a yes man. All I want is to be surrounded by yes men.

**Matt Trumpets:** Oh, well, sorry about that. All I want is to be surrounded by yes men. in, I mean, Ferrari, we can look what's going to happen with Alpine here in another race or two. He's walked in the door and managed to make it better what was already there without completely messing it up. And that alone is a pretty big feat in a Formula One paddock.

**Spanners Ready:** Cool. I am giving my thing of the weekend to Daniel Ricciardo, because he was faced with the choice of hitting Piastri or the wall and having to keep his hand, I believe, having to keep his hands on the steering wheel in order to ensure that he hit the wall and not Piastri and he paid the price for it. So I'm giving it to Danny Rick. That's fair, isn't it, Alex? That's in karting, sometimes you have to pick between hitting the wall or hitting the driver. He absolutely decided not to hit the other car, side on at speed.

**Alex Vangeen:** Yeah, he does need to be commended for that. And yeah, the way it snapped out of his hand looked particularly violent and not nice. So, yeah, speedy recovery for him.

**Spanners Ready:** We'll probably hopefully see him in Singapore, which is not a great place to come back from.

**Matt Trumpets:** Feels like it's too soon.

**Spanners Ready:** Great place to come back from with a hand in hand.

**Matt Trumpets:** Have you broken bones?

**Spanners Ready:** Have you broken bones?

**Matt Trumpets:** I've broken a lot of bones.

**Spanners Ready:** No.

**Matt Trumpets:** I've broken a lot.

**Spanners Ready:** Have you never broken bones?

**Matt Trumpets:** I've never broken a bone.

**Spanners Ready:** Maybe, maybe my little toe apart.

**Matt Trumpets:** Oh, okay.

**Spanners Ready:** So have you tried being in a train crash?

**Matt Trumpets:** I've done lots of stupid things.

**Spanners Ready:** Like that guy in Unbreakable? You could be the guy from Unbreakable.

**Matt Trumpets:** Bruce Willis.

**Spanners Ready:** Yeah, that could be you. So, Alex, thing of the weekend for you?

**Alex Vangeen:** Well, Matt took what was going to be mine, so I'm going to go with something that happened in my household, which was when I was cheering something that Hulkenberg did, and I went, yay Hulk! And then my wife had to explain to my five-year-old that Hulk was not the incredible Hulk, and that he can't just smash his way through all the other drivers to win the race, because that would be illegal, and then having to explain what illegal was. So that was, that's my thing of the week, because Matt stole it from me and I had nothing else. Fair enough. Rob Asher in the live chat says, are we sure Danny wasn't aiming for Oscar and just missed? That's mean. That is mean.

**Spanners Ready:** Speaking of mean, Antonia Rankin, TikTok sensation. How's the TikToks going? People still tuning in?

**Antonia Rankin:** Yeah. Yeah. Is it all? They're still what, what, 14 seconds?

**Spanners Ready:** It would be better if you were nice to me.

**Antonia Rankin:** Are they like 14 seconds long, your TikToks?

**Spanners Ready:** Like, hey, I think the F1 race was good today. And then like an outro music and that's it.

**Antonia Rankin:** Yeah, no, doing good, busy.

**Spanners Ready:** I know you do.

**Antonia Rankin:** Yeah.

**Spanners Ready:** Amazing. It's amazing. You're a sensation on there. And I advise everyone to go and click the links in the show notes below to go and check out what you're doing within TikTok and beyond, because you're starting to make me very, very jealous in the F1 sphere.

**Antonia Rankin:** Okay, positivity. Who did a good thing? What was the good thing? How was the good thing?

**Spanners Ready:** I'm going to give it to Piastri because I think P9, he just deserved better. Not that I think anything can be deserved in F1, but he drove really, really well today. He gave a really mature, good drive. He really did a great job and I kind of wish he'd done a little bit better in the end than he did. So as if my commendation means anything, this is my tribute to him.

**Matt Trumpets:** It does. That's what this award is about. But I think it's fair to say, he's really in the pocket. He's in that same zone as Norris. He seems to be just like a smidge of a step behind, but the consistency, the racing, everything, he pulled off some great overtakes today as well.

**Spanners Ready:** Yeah. I honestly think him and Lando together together with this McLaren that seems to be vastly improving, I think they can be a really, really great combination and I'm so excited to see in the latter half of the season how they get on or whether it'll be fireworks and flames and their heads will burst.

**Matt Trumpets:** Water and a grease fire.

**Spanners Ready:** I actually can't wait.

**Matt Trumpets:** That's what you're going to get because let's face it, if Piastri hadn't flat-spotted his tires, and yes, you can say that's his fault, he was on the same strategy as Albon, but about two places ahead.

**Spanners Ready:** He would have been ahead of Norris in today's race if he hadn't flat-spotted those tires.

**Matt Trumpets:** And if I'm Norris, I'm like, well, he's still flat-spotting his tires.

**Spanners Ready:** But oh, oh, the looming battle has me already making the popcorn.

**Matt Trumpets:** All right, let's get negative.

**Spanners Ready:** It's the bad thing, Ward.

**Matt Trumpets:** Oh no, you missed the apex.

**Spanners Ready:** Speaking of bad things, let's talk about Alex Van Jeen and our upcoming matchup on Saturday, next Saturday, you and me in like open-wheel proper owner-driver carts and I am scared but let's just talk about the series briefly. You and I are going to be in these these non comfortably bumpered carts. I'm used to my nice rental carts with the bumpers and I've literally taken out a life insurance policy before getting into these carts. You'll be absolutely fine.

**Alex Vangeen:** I will die. I'm going to die.

**Spanners Ready:** It's a new series called GXUK and they are trying to make owner karting affordable. It's using older Rotax chassis, no older than 2018 with a single GX200 engine, which is what you get in a normal rental car, basically. But they're really light, nimble chassis and they're great to drive. To the point where I've bought a car. So, first time in my life, I've taken a dive.

**Matt Trumpets:** Okay, Antonio, what did you call him for owning his own car?

**Antonia Rankin:** No, we can't say it on here.

**Matt Trumpets:** Yeah, we can't repeat it. We can't repeat it. But you're an own cart something something.

**Alex Vangeen:** Exactly. And it's a really great fun group of people as well. We're in a WhatsApp chat, we're talking about a lot. And Brad's using a cart as well. So yeah, we're off racing in Shenington next weekend, which is up in Banbury, and you're going to have a practice and I think you'll be absolutely fine. Okay, and the the threat is obviously they are open wheel. So if you do clang into somebody, I will die. You can't you won't die. You're not going fast enough to die. It's fine. But no, we are super much. And if you do want to watch along if you you go to Alpha Live, the website, Alpha Live, timing, you can see all the races, all live timed on the Sunday.

**Spanners Ready:** I didn't know that.

**Matt Trumpets:** Oh, okay, well, I'm not in the races, I'm just in the practice.

**Spanners Ready:** So, but there will be some video footage of that.

**Matt Trumpets:** So look out for that.

**Spanners Ready:** Alex, what was your bad thing award for this weekend?

**Alex Vangeen:** Oh, it's Mercedes doing an amazing Ferrari impression. I mean, honestly, they let both their drivers down. They threw away the possibility of both cars fighting for the podium. Whether both cars would have been on the podium, I don't know, but they at least ruined that opportunity for both their drivers to go and fight for a podium with dumb strategy calls basically the whole weekend apart from the Lewis strategy going straight to the sloths eventually.

**Spanners Ready:** Apart from that, it was a SH1T show.

**Matt Trumpets:** Okay, well I can't spell, so that's fine.

**Spanners Ready:** So my bad thing award actually, I actually do want to praise the broadcast, but I'll start with the bad thing about it, which was kept missing Lewis Hamilton overtakes. So there was there was one where Lewis Hamilton got a great run on Carlos Sainz into 13, 14, down the back straight, and then it just cut to Perez following Alonso or something like that, just something inane. And we actually missed like three or four Lewis Hamilton overtakes. And that was the, you know, him and Norris and Piastri coming through the field. That was the race, that was the thing to watch. However, I will say, there was some spectacular shots. Something has changed. So that whilst the direction was missing stuff, something about the videography, there was lots of like tight shots, but appropriately spaced. There was amazing helicopter shots. The cars looked fast and that's the, whatever they did to make the F1 cars look fast this weekend keep doing that. Okay, who have we not gone with? Antonia, what was the bad thing award for you this weekend? I do have one but I would have to agree about the organisation of why did we have five minutes of replays on like lap three.

**Matt Trumpets:** I can tell you why. I can tell you why. That is a conscious thing they decided to do because they think that that is bringing the action to the viewer at the point that the race has settled down. So that was when I, you know, name drop, when I was chatting to Rob Smedley here on the show, he didn't know he was going to be on the podcast. It was like a press junket thing and he got surprised with it. But yeah, he said that is a conscious thing we're trying to do. And at the time, they were trying to bring loads of telemetry stuff. So they were trying to bring driver inputs. And you remember the whole reaction time thing? That was something they pushed. And the only thing that really survived out of that was this constant replay of the start on lap two or three. And I think as sort of mature race fans, we just want to watch the action actually as it's unfolding.

**Spanners Ready:** Yeah, personally, I just I feel like we're missing out. I'm like, but we just got started. Don't show us what we've just seen. That might be a personal thing, though, if they're running that it must be a popular thing, but I just personally... Anyway, my bad thing is and it's not Joe's fault necessarily that he crashed, he just crashed at a really inconvenient time for my personal research of how effective these wet tires are. If we'd have had a little bit more time with the Red Bulls on these wet tires I would have loved to see how long they could have run for, whether they were kicking up too much water because they shift something like 72 litres of water per second, these Cinchuato blue tyres. It's crazy. And I would have loved to see how effective they were because we haven't had a lot of wet running actually this season because it's either been crazy torrential rain that's not been raceable or not enough. And I would have loved to let it pan out just a little bit more but you know, can't blame Joe. Stuff happens. He crashed, he crashed. So rah, so rah.

**Matt Trumpets:** I wasn't going to say anything.

**Spanners Ready:** But because you have backdoored Ockhan into the conversation again, I have no doubt that he was the first person on the wet tyres, and the crash of Joe absolutely killed any chance he had of making up the late pit stop that he and Albon had. So, I agree with you, it was very inconveniently timed.

**Matt Trumpets:** I just don't appreciate you leveraging Ockhan to agree with me.

**Spanners Ready:** I knew you wouldn't, and that's why I couldn't resist.

**Matt Trumpets:** And also, Matt, how did Ockhan take the decision to put him onto wet tyres?

**Spanners Ready:** Oh, he was gollically unhappy with that.

**Matt Trumpets:** He was very unhappy, yeah.

**Spanners Ready:** Okay, Matt.

**Matt Trumpets:** I wasn't going to bring it up at all, but you just hung it out there.

**Spanners Ready:** Sorry.

**Matt Trumpets:** Okay. You hung it out there and I couldn't resist **Missed Apex Podcast Episode Summary:**

**Introduction:**

- The podcast begins with the hosts, Spanners, Matt Trumpets, Alex Vangeen, and Antonia Rankin, introducing themselves and welcoming the audience to the show.
- They discuss their social media handles and encourage listeners to follow them for more content.

**Main Discussion:**

- The hosts delve into the Dutch Grand Prix, analyzing the strategies, errors, and weather conditions that impacted the race.
- They highlight the superior strategies employed by some teams and drivers, such as Max Verstappen's Red Bull team, which led to their success in the race.
- Conversely, they also discuss inexplicable errors made by other teams and drivers, such as Ferrari's strategic blunders, which cost them a potential victory.
- The hosts provide in-depth analysis of the race, considering various factors such as tire choices, pit stops, and driver performances.

**Controversies and Insights:**

- The hosts address controversies surrounding the race, including the penalty given to Lewis Hamilton for a collision with Fernando Alonso.
- They also discuss insightful moments, such as the impressive performance of Nyck de Vries, who stood in for Alex Albon at Williams and secured points in his debut race.

**Key Takeaways:**

- The hosts emphasize the importance of strategy and adaptability in Formula One racing, as teams need to make quick decisions based on changing conditions.
- They highlight the significance of driver skill and the role it plays in determining the outcome of races.
- The hosts also stress the unpredictability of Formula One, as even the most experienced teams and drivers can make mistakes that can cost them dearly.

**Conclusion:**

- The hosts wrap up the podcast by summarizing the key points and takeaways from the Dutch Grand Prix.
- They encourage listeners to continue following the podcast for more in-depth analysis and discussions on Formula One racing.

**Overall Message:**

The podcast provides an engaging and informative analysis of the Dutch Grand Prix, offering insights into the strategies, controversies, and key moments of the race. The hosts' enthusiasm and expertise in Formula One make the podcast an enjoyable listen for fans of the sport.

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[01:33.480 -> 01:37.080] You are listening to Missed Apex Podcast.
[01:37.080 -> 01:55.720] We live at one. Welcome to Missed Apex podcast. I'm your host Richard Ready, but my friends call me Spanners.
[01:55.720 -> 02:01.760] So let's be friends. The title of today's show is I was forecast for an afternoon nap
[02:01.760 -> 02:09.640] by now. How did we mess this up? That from Michael Clays on Twitter, because it was too exciting a race to nap for.
[02:09.640 -> 02:15.360] And I'm used to F1 being a nap sport because I've been watching it since 18 Dickety 7.
[02:15.360 -> 02:20.840] But I'm so, so glad we've had a properly all out entertaining race this weekend,
[02:20.840 -> 02:26.320] because I was starting to get scared that I was going to lose some of my new F1 friends
[02:26.320 -> 02:31.440] that have come to the sport over the last few years. And yes, there is a lot to be appreciated
[02:31.440 -> 02:38.080] in the midfield. You can look beyond the domination at the front, but every now and then you just need
[02:38.080 -> 02:43.760] a lovely sprinkle of rain and a little bit of chaos to keep you interested. We are an independent
[02:43.760 -> 02:49.040] podcast produced in the podcasting shed with the kind permission of our better halves. We aim to bring you a race review
[02:49.040 -> 02:52.880] before your Monday morning commute. We might be wrong, but we're first.
[02:58.000 -> 03:02.720] Yes, yes, yes, and sometimes we're wrong about being first. Stop emailing us. But we're also
[03:02.720 -> 03:05.880] joined in the shed by Matt. Two rumpets.
[03:05.880 -> 03:07.260] Hello, Matthew.
[03:07.260 -> 03:11.560] How many weather forecasts does it take to make an F1 strategist?
[03:11.560 -> 03:16.360] The best thing about weather forecasts is that they are all entirely wrong. So you can
[03:16.360 -> 03:21.640] be sitting just outside being drenched in rain, holding up seven umbrellas trying to
[03:21.640 -> 03:29.500] protect yourself and you log into your weather app and it says sunshine, you're fine. The weather was unpredictable, not just to us, but also the teams today,
[03:29.500 -> 03:31.000] which made it extra fun.
[03:31.000 -> 03:37.000] Yeah, and that's that's the genesis of any kind of race. What you expect to happen doesn't.
[03:37.000 -> 03:42.000] We're joined by our race analyst, Gene Z, Alex, Gene Z Van Gene. Hello, mate.
[03:42.000 -> 03:47.320] Good evening. It's been a while, so I'm looking forward to unpacking this one, because at least it
[03:47.320 -> 03:48.640] was a good one.
[03:48.640 -> 03:51.680] And despite the winner, there was loads going on.
[03:51.680 -> 03:56.280] Yeah, but if you're a Verstappen fan, it was another brilliant race for the ninth time
[03:56.280 -> 03:57.280] in a row.
[03:57.280 -> 03:59.680] Yeah, shoving people off the circuit to win races.
[03:59.680 -> 04:00.680] Oh, here we go.
[04:00.680 -> 04:01.680] It's happened before.
[04:01.680 -> 04:02.680] It started already.
[04:02.680 -> 04:05.360] And I know that you and I have got things to say about each other's
[04:05.360 -> 04:07.760] second favourite drivers as well.
[04:07.760 -> 04:08.760] We're joined in the chat.
[04:08.760 -> 04:09.760] One of us is wrong.
[04:09.760 -> 04:10.760] Oh, no, go on, have it.
[04:10.760 -> 04:11.760] One of us is wrong.
[04:11.760 -> 04:17.120] One of us is right and one of us is wrong, but we'll get there, it'll be fine.
[04:17.120 -> 04:18.760] You're definitely right about your one.
[04:18.760 -> 04:20.980] I'm going to try and convince you I'm right about my one.
[04:20.980 -> 04:23.680] We're joined by TikTok sensation Antonia Rankin.
[04:23.680 -> 04:24.680] How's it going, mate?
[04:24.680 -> 04:28.960] Hi, good to be back. Thank you for having me back after so long. I feel like it's been forever. I
[04:28.960 -> 04:32.160] need to remember how to analyse things again. I think I've forgotten.
[04:32.160 -> 04:35.360] Wow. I have to say, for those of you who didn't join us on the pre-show,
[04:35.360 -> 04:39.200] you went, you really switched gears then. Like you are coming across so,
[04:39.200 -> 04:41.200] like, nice and pleasant right now.
[04:41.200 -> 04:48.320] Oh, are you saying I'm not nice and pleasant? Oh, spanners. North boy. Everyone tune in to the last two. It's like she's a pro or something. My good friend
[04:48.320 -> 04:54.880] spanners who I would never ever call small. Or insult physically. Okay, let's get on with
[04:54.880 -> 04:56.880] our race review.
[04:56.880 -> 05:12.240] Okay, that went downhill fast. I'll tell you what though, Matt, the big ticket item, the big talking point, the thing that really brought this race alive was the most perfectly timed rain shower
[05:12.240 -> 05:18.480] in F1 history. Everyone got going safely, which is great because at the moment in F1, if it's raining,
[05:18.480 -> 05:23.440] they just wait. They won't let you go. It has turned into cricket or baseball where they're
[05:23.440 -> 05:28.400] just waiting for this perfect window of opportunity. Well, they got it. They set off. We got a dry
[05:28.400 -> 05:33.760] standing start and then instant rain. And it's like we have to fool the FIA.
[05:33.760 -> 05:36.440] If we're controlling the weather, you have to convince them.
[05:36.440 -> 05:39.280] You have to show them bright sunshine for the red lights going out.
[05:39.400 -> 05:41.920] And then the second they pull off, you go, ha ha ha ha.
[05:42.280 -> 05:44.680] Gotcha. Here's the rain. Now we've got a fun wet race.
[05:45.200 -> 05:49.040] Yeah. And I think for once, although we're making fun of the FIA,
[05:49.040 -> 05:54.880] we do have to hand it to them. They started the race on time and they handled the rain
[05:54.880 -> 06:06.720] and with minimal fuss, unlike previous occasions of which I can think. But really what made it fun was it instantly presented the teams with a
[06:06.720 -> 06:12.720] massive strategic problem. And I think as we look at the race, what we'll find is that the winners
[06:12.720 -> 06:17.280] and losers in this race were all defined by their choices right after the weather hit.
[06:17.920 -> 06:26.460] But we got... Go on Alex. You had the absolute opportunity for teams to do their best Ferrari impression and
[06:27.200 -> 06:30.400] Many didn't disappoint especially one particular team.
[06:30.400 -> 06:34.360] This is it, it was split Antonio wasn't it? We had some real winners and losers.
[06:34.360 -> 06:38.880] I mean Ferrari did a pretty good Ferrari impression didn't they? All weekend
[06:38.880 -> 06:41.360] I think they were fumbling a little bit with you know
[06:41.360 -> 06:48.160] Small strategic decisions even outside of the scope of the main race, the little things really added up for them. But yeah, there was some really great
[06:48.160 -> 06:53.360] strategy. I loved when the rain came early on. It meant that we really had teams fragmenting off and
[06:53.360 -> 06:57.040] doing completely different things. And it was really cool seeing it come together in different
[06:57.040 -> 07:02.480] ways. Yeah, it's that snap. It's that snap decision. So from our sofas, right, and look,
[07:02.480 -> 07:05.520] we know we know we're armchair pundits, but that's the point,
[07:05.520 -> 07:10.000] that's fun. Don't email me saying, oh, you're armchair pundits. We know, that's the whole
[07:10.000 -> 07:14.160] thing that we're doing here. But Alex, we were screaming at the screen.
[07:14.720 -> 07:19.920] Oh, it was brilliant because when they started the race, even on the formation lap, there was
[07:19.920 -> 07:23.920] no sign of rain. It was like, oh, okay, it's just they're going to talk about
[07:23.920 -> 07:25.040] mixed conditions later, but there was no sign of rain. And was like, oh, okay, it's just gonna talk about mixed conditions later,
[07:25.040 -> 07:28.720] but there was no sign of rain. And then they got through the third corner and all of a sudden,
[07:28.720 -> 07:33.440] I'm seeing spots on the cameras. I'm like, what's going on? And then there is the biggest downpour
[07:33.440 -> 07:38.880] at the other end of the circuit. And I'm flabbergasted that more people didn't come in.
[07:38.880 -> 07:44.480] What, four cars came in? Perez and three others? Madness, especially Lewis Hamilton being on the
[07:44.480 -> 07:45.720] medium tire, as something we know, if you're on a Magnus, especially Lewis Hamilton being on the medium tyre, as
[07:45.720 -> 07:50.000] something we know if you're on a harder tyre, especially compared to everybody else on a
[07:50.000 -> 07:54.240] wet track, you get them off as quickly as possible because they just don't work.
[07:54.240 -> 07:59.040] Yeah, but surely the team saw this rain cloud coming in. I mean, I'm not even going to get
[07:59.040 -> 08:03.040] into Lewis starting on the mediums because I can't even comprehend what thought process
[08:03.040 -> 08:06.960] was going on there. I mean, when you're in borderline conditions, you whack softs on there. The
[08:06.960 -> 08:12.200] most tolerant you've got heat anyway. Surely any team is thinking if rain is going to be
[08:12.200 -> 08:16.600] coming, you dive into the pits as soon as it, and they had time to get round and come
[08:16.600 -> 08:20.360] in. It wasn't like it caught them on the start finish straight. Before the end of lap one,
[08:20.360 -> 08:25.440] it was coming down. And I was so surprised not to see these drivers piling in. I mean even on the
[08:25.440 -> 08:29.280] commentary they were saying, oh well we're worried because the pit lane might not be long enough,
[08:29.280 -> 08:32.080] it's a small pit here, all the cars are going to pile in and they won't fit. And they just all
[08:32.080 -> 08:38.400] flew past. And then they didn't. It was like nearly the whole top 10 just went by. There's a
[08:38.400 -> 08:45.840] few points that you've just touched on there that I don't really want to let go. So I'll just grab onto the Mercedes starting on the medium
[08:45.840 -> 08:54.840] mat. I have so, like, I'm so tuned for Mercedes getting these kinds of calls wrong lately
[08:54.840 -> 08:58.840] that when the whole grid was on softs and they were on mediums, I instantly took that
[08:58.840 -> 09:03.940] as not, oh wow, here's an opportunity for them. I was like, they must have got something
[09:03.940 -> 09:06.080] wrong. It really feels
[09:06.080 -> 09:11.160] when they are misstepping, when they're the only kid that is not like the others, it's
[09:11.160 -> 09:12.760] not a positive at the moment.
[09:12.760 -> 09:19.560] Well, no, it's not. And this already opens up an interesting area because, of course,
[09:19.560 -> 09:27.280] Lewis did have the opportunity to come in from the formation lap and put enters on immediately if he'd
[09:27.280 -> 09:28.700] wanted to.
[09:28.700 -> 09:34.640] But then having been on the mediums, I honestly see it as explaining why a lot of drivers
[09:34.640 -> 09:35.640] did what they did.
[09:35.640 -> 09:42.120] And this whole race, in fact, was simply strategists guessing when the rain was going to show up,
[09:42.120 -> 09:46.120] how hard it was going to be, and how long it was going to be last.
[09:46.120 -> 09:50.520] Hamilton on mediums is, we don't expect a lot of rain, it's going to go away quickly
[09:50.520 -> 09:54.920] and you're going to have an advantage because you can run longer to when we expect harder
[09:54.920 -> 09:56.880] rain later on.
[09:56.880 -> 10:02.840] But not bailing him early off of those tires is the thing I don't get.
[10:02.840 -> 10:04.600] No, I completely agree.
[10:04.600 -> 10:06.720] I can't think of the logic behind it.
[10:06.720 -> 10:10.140] If I'm honest, I mean, I can understand if they were in dry conditions because
[10:10.140 -> 10:14.640] Pirelli, when they forecast tire strategies, starting on a medium was the way to go.
[10:14.640 -> 10:16.920] If you didn't want to take the two stopper route.
[10:17.300 -> 10:21.080] However, I think it was, it would have been silly to suggest that this race was
[10:21.080 -> 10:28.640] ever not going to be anything more or less than it was going to was going to be two stops or more because there was going to be rain. And I don't know
[10:28.640 -> 10:33.480] why they tried to stick with it when the rain was there, it was raining. You're not going
[10:33.480 -> 10:37.360] to get around the circuit with good traction on medium tires. You can't get the heat in
[10:37.360 -> 10:41.900] them. So he was skidding around and it completely screwed him over.
[10:41.900 -> 10:47.480] This is where, um, the people on the pit wall actually have too much information, because they're
[10:47.480 -> 10:52.320] too busy looking at the screen, looking at the radar, rather than actually sticking their
[10:52.320 -> 10:55.360] head out the pit wall and going, oh, where is the rain?
[10:55.360 -> 10:57.640] Oh, actually, it's raining quite a lot.
[10:57.640 -> 11:02.200] Let's actually do what the world is happening, not what the computer is saying.
[11:02.200 -> 11:05.360] And at this point, the computer was saying, don't worry, it's going to
[11:05.360 -> 11:11.040] stop in a second. And obviously the pictures from what we all saw was like, even if it does stop in
[11:11.040 -> 11:16.640] three minutes, the track is going to be soaked. So get those tires off. Because the whole point,
[11:16.640 -> 11:23.760] the whole key to being quick on mixed conditions is being on the right tires at the right time,
[11:23.760 -> 11:29.760] even if that means you have to make a stop. I mean, look how much time Perez made up. Perez made up 15 seconds in three hours.
[11:29.760 -> 11:30.960] That's amazing, wasn't it?
[11:30.960 -> 11:31.460] Bonkers.
[11:32.480 -> 11:38.880] The delta to the slick tire that, say, for example, Albon was on, wound up being about 20
[11:38.880 -> 11:52.400] seconds a lap very rapidly. And the people who did stop early, this is also interesting, they had Perez, Leclerc, Gasly, Joe, Sunoda, Lawson, and Magnuson in lap one. And you'll notice that's only six
[11:52.400 -> 12:01.920] teams worth of drivers. And then for lap two, you just wound up missing out Mercedes and McLaren and
[12:01.920 -> 12:06.480] Williams. They all came in lap three and lap three was far too late.
[12:06.480 -> 12:08.980] At that point, you either had to stick it out
[12:08.980 -> 12:12.320] or I mean, I guess lap three means you admit
[12:12.320 -> 12:13.960] you were wrong about lap two,
[12:13.960 -> 12:15.880] but you're hoping to save it somehow.
[12:15.880 -> 12:18.780] Yeah, so there was three kind of distinct camps,
[12:18.780 -> 12:19.620] it feels like.
[12:19.620 -> 12:23.000] So there was the people that got it stopped nice and early
[12:23.000 -> 12:25.920] and that was split between people who went in on lap one
[12:25.920 -> 12:27.440] and people who went lap two.
[12:27.440 -> 12:30.140] So Perez got an advantage from lap one.
[12:30.140 -> 12:32.440] Who else pitted lap one, Gasly?
[12:32.440 -> 12:33.960] Gasly, Leclerc.
[12:33.960 -> 12:35.320] Alonso?
[12:35.320 -> 12:39.320] No, he did what Max did pretty much the whole race.
[12:39.320 -> 12:40.240] Alonso did, yeah.
[12:40.240 -> 12:41.080] Right, okay, fair enough.
[12:41.080 -> 12:43.240] And that's partly because he had that great start
[12:43.240 -> 12:47.440] and was actually faster than Max, I think, in those conditions on slick tires.
[12:47.440 -> 12:51.760] So what we had is, so the people who pitted in the first lap or the second lap, out of
[12:51.760 -> 12:56.880] those people, if you take away Perez, who had a bit of a disaster towards the end, an
[12:56.880 -> 13:01.360] increasing cacophony of disasters towards the end, that I'm sure Alex will explain
[13:01.360 -> 13:06.160] in detail, and also if you take away Leclerc who had the the floor issue
[13:06.160 -> 13:11.840] after the contact, you know, our top three non-Verstappen people was made up of people
[13:11.840 -> 13:16.000] who had gotten that that early jump mat. So those people were in the best position. And
[13:16.000 -> 13:21.920] then there was another option which was to the tough it out option that Mercedes wanted to do.
[13:21.920 -> 13:26.540] And of those people only Albon really made it work. But the worst
[13:26.540 -> 13:31.240] position, Antonia, was the people who went, no, we can tough it out. No, I can't tough
[13:31.240 -> 13:35.840] it out. I need my interns. They basically lost out completely.
[13:35.840 -> 13:40.880] Yeah, but that's the thing. Even with Albon did toughing it out work. I mean, he ended
[13:40.880 -> 13:48.920] up in a very bang average position, you know, in the mid pack having not pitted and it almost led to the thought of, well, if he'd have pitted, at least it
[13:48.920 -> 13:54.120] would have done something, you know, reactivity obviously is never ideal, but at least it's
[13:54.120 -> 13:57.120] responding in some way.
[13:57.120 -> 14:00.280] I thought it's a really interesting strategic move.
[14:00.280 -> 14:05.040] I think it could have paid off more than it did maybe had the car got more pace,
[14:05.280 -> 14:09.480] but it ended up being something very brave that really yielded him nothing and probably just
[14:09.480 -> 14:14.160] caused a lot of stress from him in the car going, why is everyone around me pitting and I'm not.
[14:14.960 -> 14:20.960] So let's be clear, that was not a winning strategy until his teammates suffered a hydraulic
[14:20.960 -> 14:24.400] failure on lap 15 and brought out the safety car.
[14:24.760 -> 14:25.120] Then it was a very, very winning strategy. suffered a hydraulic failure on lap 15 and brought out the safety car.
[14:25.120 -> 14:28.360] Then it was a very, very winning strategy.
[14:28.360 -> 14:31.440] It was a very, very winning strategy.
[14:31.440 -> 14:34.080] If you didn't pit for new tires.
[14:34.080 -> 14:40.080] And this means I have to talk about Oscar Piastri because he flat spotted his tires
[14:40.080 -> 14:44.360] right before the safety car and was in the lap before that happened.
[14:44.360 -> 14:49.400] But he was on the same strategy as Albin and he was ahead of him.
[14:49.400 -> 14:56.680] Now Albin didn't finish off so great and that's because both he and Alcon came in on lap 61
[14:56.680 -> 14:59.640] for the wet tires instead of lap 60.
[14:59.640 -> 15:06.040] And that was another one where you lost nine or 10 seconds in that two-thirds of a lap and that ruined
[15:06.040 -> 15:10.160] both of their races. But you were looking at seventh and eighth or sixth and seventh
[15:10.160 -> 15:16.040] for Albon and Ocon without that mistake from their team. Or in the case of Ocon, maybe
[15:16.040 -> 15:21.640] they had to send him around because he would have been too close in on Gasly to get those
[15:21.640 -> 15:25.840] tyres. I didn't have time to figure out which one of those two it was.
[15:28.960 -> 15:34.720] Yeah, I mean going back to what you were saying about Oscar, I completely agree. It's one of those really frustrating things where the timing of it all ended up not being great for him, but
[15:34.720 -> 15:39.520] I do wish that Piastri had ended up in a better result and had a better race overall than he
[15:39.520 -> 15:44.640] ended up having because he was doing really, really well and he was putting in such a fantastic
[15:44.640 -> 15:45.800] performance. I mean some of his sector times he was really really, really well and he was putting in such a fantastic performance.
[15:45.800 -> 15:49.720] I mean, some of his sector times he was really pulling ahead at one point, um, ahead of the
[15:49.720 -> 15:51.800] rest of the pack and he was doing so well.
[15:51.800 -> 15:55.960] And I do wish it had yielded something a little bit more for him because I think he ended
[15:55.960 -> 16:00.480] up being a bit lost in the race by the end, which I think is a real shame.
[16:00.480 -> 16:01.480] Yeah.
[16:01.480 -> 16:04.000] And this again, weirdly brings us back to Mercedes.
[16:04.000 -> 16:05.440] Why was Piastri where he was?
[16:05.440 -> 16:10.320] Well, because they kept him out. But what did they do? They did pit Norris. But if we look at
[16:10.320 -> 16:16.400] Mercedes, did they split their strategy that way? No, they stayed out too long with both drivers.
[16:17.040 -> 16:23.360] Then they came in too late with both drivers. And not until we got to the safety car did Russell get
[16:23.360 -> 16:29.880] the option of going on the hard tire and waiting for the much later rain and maybe skipping a pit stop, which
[16:29.880 -> 16:31.520] was the plan for them.
[16:31.520 -> 16:36.480] But it's interesting, and I'm going to ask the question, do we think that maybe Mercedes'
[16:36.480 -> 16:43.920] commitment to absolute fairness between their drivers caused them some strategic hassles
[16:43.920 -> 16:50.800] today? No, I think it's Mercedes middle of the road decision making that is their problem.
[16:50.800 -> 16:54.480] They, they, they're not as clinical as Red Bull are.
[16:54.480 -> 16:56.080] Red Bull are like, right, this is what we're doing.
[16:56.080 -> 16:57.080] We're doing it now.
[16:57.080 -> 17:00.400] Merck are like, oh, let's wait and see.
[17:00.400 -> 17:01.400] Let this play out.
[17:01.400 -> 17:03.440] It might come our way.
[17:03.440 -> 17:06.960] And it was fine when they were the dominant position in a dry race,
[17:07.520 -> 17:12.000] but it cost them so many times in wet races. And now that they aren't the quickest car,
[17:12.000 -> 17:17.920] it's costing them even more. They've cost both their drivers the potential to fight for a podium
[17:17.920 -> 17:23.360] today. And that is without any shadow of a doubt in my mind. Okay, so look, we've got a few
[17:23.360 -> 17:28.960] directions to go in here. So in a way, I don't want to be too harsh on the strategists.
[17:28.960 -> 17:30.960] I agree with what you're saying,
[17:30.960 -> 17:33.680] but there was an element of,
[17:33.680 -> 17:36.700] is this going to be a very, very short, sharp shower,
[17:36.700 -> 17:39.280] or is this going to be prolonged rain?
[17:39.280 -> 17:42.560] So that's the kind of, that's the excuse, if you like,
[17:42.560 -> 17:44.360] for the teams that didn't pit.
[17:44.360 -> 17:51.200] But even if it rained heavily, it was never going to dry immediately. And this is where,
[17:51.200 -> 17:54.560] you know, that thing you were talking about, Alex, which is just being on the right tyre at the right
[17:54.560 -> 17:59.920] time, you can overthink it and you can get yourself in a muddle going, oh yeah, but if I just,
[17:59.920 -> 18:05.480] if I just stay out on the slicks, or if I just pit a little bit early, if I gentsen button
[18:05.480 -> 18:10.280] it one lap early onto the intermediates, you know, but how often do we see they come in
[18:10.280 -> 18:14.460] early on the intermediates and they burn up the tyres and the rain doesn't come or they
[18:14.460 -> 18:19.760] stay out on slicks and they lose time or crash? And I think there's, it's kind of keep it
[18:19.760 -> 18:26.160] simple stupid, isn't it? If it's raining, wet tyres, if it's dry, dry tyres. Worry about the pit stops later.
[18:26.960 -> 18:31.040] It comes down to temperature at the end of the day and comes down to Matt's favourite subject
[18:31.040 -> 18:38.800] which is tyres. When you have a hot soft tyre running at optimum, if it's spitting, it's fine.
[18:38.800 -> 18:43.040] You can take your normal lines and it's not a problem. The second it starts to get heavy
[18:43.040 -> 18:50.400] and water starts to go on the grippy, rubbered-in bit of the track, it becomes treacherous and slippy. You then have to go off
[18:50.400 -> 18:54.880] of that and then all of a sudden when it starts to get so wet that there are puddles which formed
[18:54.880 -> 19:00.160] instantly in this downpour. By the time they got to the chicane before the last two corners,
[19:00.160 -> 19:06.080] it was very, very clear that that rain was incredibly heavy and the Inters were
[19:06.080 -> 19:07.260] going to be the choice.
[19:07.260 -> 19:11.720] Even if it dried up in five laps, top five laps time, the time you would make up because
[19:11.720 -> 19:17.240] of that deluge made it the only option.
[19:17.240 -> 19:21.120] But this is where Mercedes and Lando Norris just sat in the middle of the pack.
[19:21.120 -> 19:25.700] I mean, sat in the middle of the pack, I mean, sat in the middle of the decision. I mean, Lando Norris'
[19:25.700 -> 19:32.500] radio message was incredibly reminiscent of Russia 21, when he was like, no, no, no, we'll
[19:32.500 -> 19:35.940] stay out, it's fine. And then it all went bad. We should have known from that, to be
[19:35.940 -> 19:42.100] honest. Oh, yeah, it was Sochi, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Antonia? Yeah, I think I was disappointed
[19:42.100 -> 19:49.920] today. It's unreasonable, but I kind of wish one of the teams had nailed it. There was a real scope for a team to have taken a massive victory that, you know,
[19:49.920 -> 19:56.560] that wasn't Red Bull had a team somehow miraculously managed to predict slash nail every tyre change.
[19:56.560 -> 20:02.240] Because I think everyone at one point massively fumbled a pit stop timing or something along
[20:02.240 -> 20:05.080] those lines. But- Except Red Bull.
[20:05.080 -> 20:10.040] But that's the thing, they did. I mean, Max was making very reactive calls, wasn't coming
[20:10.040 -> 20:15.040] in at the right time. I mean, they both came in just before the red flag to pit. In theory,
[20:15.040 -> 20:18.720] that should have put them miles behind, but because everyone else had made mistakes prior,
[20:18.720 -> 20:19.720] it wasn't that damaging.
[20:19.720 -> 20:24.280] So hang on. So I think what got missed was that Verstappen was trying to stay out when
[20:24.280 -> 20:29.440] it was raining. He was like, no, I can stay out. And his race engineer had to say, this would be a very,
[20:29.440 -> 20:34.560] very good time to pit, young man. Get yourself in the pits. And he goes, yeah, all right. Yeah,
[20:34.560 -> 20:40.240] okay. Fair enough. I'll do it. So Red Bull didn't misstep, I don't think. At most,
[20:40.240 -> 20:45.360] they were kind of a lap behind. And looking for that team that smashed it on strategy,
[20:45.360 -> 20:50.640] really you could argue that Perez slash Red Bull nailed the strategy. He just didn't have the pace
[20:50.640 -> 20:55.120] to stay ahead of Verstappen and that's not shaking his head, he doesn't like that. But they did,
[20:55.120 -> 20:59.120] didn't they? They got it absolutely right out the top runners to go in and pit and get on the inters.
[20:59.760 -> 21:04.560] Yeah, I mean, I think it's correct if you're leading the race and you have an advantage
[21:04.560 -> 21:09.080] that you use a slightly different bar for judging when those pit stops were made.
[21:09.080 -> 21:14.880] Max could have made stops sooner, but when you have someone behind you, it's a different
[21:14.880 -> 21:17.920] thing, especially when you have a gap to the rest of the field.
[21:17.920 -> 21:22.960] So I'm going to exempt Max because overall they did a good job with his strategy because
[21:22.960 -> 21:24.400] he won.
[21:24.400 -> 21:25.680] Therefore the job done was good.
[21:25.680 -> 21:26.680] Yeah, good tactic.
[21:26.680 -> 21:31.280] But the team that got it absolutely right, and the driver, the only driver they got it
[21:31.280 -> 21:34.960] right for of the two on their team, was Pierre Gasly.
[21:34.960 -> 21:38.080] And this is because I went through and figured out how you had to win at Zandvoort.
[21:38.080 -> 21:39.080] Go, go, go, go.
[21:39.080 -> 21:41.080] First, pit lap one for enters.
[21:41.080 -> 21:42.280] Done.
[21:42.280 -> 21:46.600] Pit lap nine, Hamilton pitted lap nine, Gasly was in lap 10 for the softs
[21:46.600 -> 21:47.600] at the crossover point.
[21:47.600 -> 21:50.720] Yeah, that was the correct one. Yeah. And actually a lot of people were yelling at their
[21:50.720 -> 21:55.040] screens that Hamilton had got that wrong, but they gathered their thoughts and gone,
[21:55.040 -> 22:00.760] no, no, no, let's get this done. Let's get onto the stickiest tyre and go. That was correct.
[22:00.760 -> 22:05.120] So as much as we're going to slate Mercedes in this episode, they got that call correct. So as much as we're going to slate Mercedes in this episode, they got that call
[22:05.120 -> 22:11.760] correct. Ignore the safety car for harder tyres, which was a temptation possibly, but they
[22:11.760 -> 22:17.760] successfully ignored it. Then in the 40s for fresh tyres, everybody did that. And then this is
[22:17.760 -> 22:22.080] crucial. And this is why they had such a differential between the two teammates at the end
[22:22.080 -> 22:29.920] of the race. Pit lap 60 for enters again, and don't wait until lap 61 like Albon and Ocon did.
[22:29.920 -> 22:30.880] And that's it.
[22:30.880 -> 22:31.760] Congratulations.
[22:31.760 -> 22:34.920] You've won Pierre Gasly the best strategy of the race.
[22:34.920 -> 22:36.640] Oh, so that's what Gasly did?
[22:36.640 -> 22:38.560] That is exactly what he did.
[22:38.560 -> 22:38.960] Yep.
[22:38.960 -> 22:40.840] He nailed every last one of those.
[22:40.840 -> 22:43.920] Or I say he, his strategist and the team nailed that for him.
[22:43.920 -> 22:44.600] Okay.
[22:44.600 -> 22:45.080] Well, I think that might... Go on, go on Alex. Maz his strategist and the team nailed that for him. Okay.
[22:45.080 -> 22:46.080] Well, I think that was going on.
[22:46.080 -> 22:50.240] Matt said the nail on the head, that one.
[22:50.240 -> 22:56.480] But the only thing that was wrong with the Perez strategy was the guy behind the wheel
[22:56.480 -> 22:59.680] because he made so many mistakes today.
[22:59.680 -> 23:06.360] I mean, even before the mistakes, the rate that Max caught him after Perez had taken
[23:06.360 -> 23:11.160] the lead was, for want of a better word, embarrassing.
[23:11.160 -> 23:13.120] He should not have been that slow.
[23:13.120 -> 23:18.160] It was a bit like the difference between Lewis and Nico whenever the rain came out.
[23:18.160 -> 23:20.240] It was so, so bad.
[23:20.240 -> 23:23.320] And it made Perez look a bit silly.
[23:23.320 -> 23:26.800] And then he's gone off, hit the wall, come in, hit the wall,
[23:26.800 -> 23:32.320] into the pits. All right, stop! He's already dead! He's already dead! And then I've got one more!
[23:32.320 -> 23:37.760] And then off the red flag, sped out of the pit lane! No, he didn't. He sped on the way into the
[23:37.760 -> 23:44.560] pit lane. So whatever! He sped when he didn't need to. Not even in racing conditions! So it was all
[23:44.560 -> 23:47.160] part of the locking up and hitting the wall. So he basically was
[23:47.160 -> 23:51.120] speeding as he went over the line. Like, look, Ricciardo's already going to Red Bull next
[23:51.120 -> 23:58.720] season probably. And Perez is probably going to get paid to sit on his bum like Raikkonen
[23:58.720 -> 24:06.000] at Ferrari for a season. It's all right. You're right, it was terrible. Andy threw away second place, spinning
[24:06.000 -> 24:12.960] into turn one and giving that up to Alonso too. It hurts, it hurts Alex. But just to
[24:12.960 -> 24:17.640] round this argument off, he was so far behind all weekend and he's been so far behind at
[24:17.640 -> 24:25.520] various points in the calendar. He's more behind than any driver would be behind any top driver.
[24:25.520 -> 24:29.080] Like, he's more behind than Stroll behind Alonso.
[24:29.080 -> 24:33.120] Doesn't that, doesn't that say that there's something else going on?
[24:33.120 -> 24:35.920] There's got to be something else that can't be.
[24:35.920 -> 24:40.840] You're not actually saying that Perez is not as good as Lance Stroll.
[24:40.840 -> 24:47.280] As I have said before, with my little mole that I have over here he is so
[24:47.280 -> 24:53.320] desperate to have the same equipment as Max to his detriment he can't drive the
[24:53.320 -> 24:56.240] car the way Max does they have incredibly different driving styles
[24:56.240 -> 25:02.040] it's really obvious to see he's much more of a Jensen Button and Max is just
[25:02.040 -> 25:05.040] for want of comparison much more of a Lewis Hamilton in the way they
[25:05.040 -> 25:13.040] drive the car and you have to have differences but my understanding is he has been very um stubborn
[25:13.040 -> 25:16.160] in the way that he wants the car set up and he just wants to make sure he has the same things
[25:16.160 -> 25:22.080] as Max which I understand but it's costing him and he can't drive that car um you know I think
[25:22.080 -> 25:25.360] you put a Lando Norris in there, a George Russell in there, a Lewis Hamilton
[25:25.360 -> 25:29.280] in there, a Pierre Gasly in there, a Mokon in there, and it's a very, very different result.
[25:29.280 -> 25:33.920] Perez has lost something. I don't know whether his... and the problem is, is whatever he has
[25:33.920 -> 25:39.920] lost, it is being compounded every single weekend as he is pulverized by Max. And listen...
[25:39.920 -> 25:41.840] Will Barron Wow, you're really not stopping.
[25:41.840 -> 25:46.480] Adi I mean, Max is a once in a generation driver.
[25:46.480 -> 25:48.640] You know, there is no doubt about that at all.
[25:48.640 -> 25:51.600] He is superb on his way to be one of the greatest of all time.
[25:51.600 -> 25:54.080] I have no doubt in my mind about that.
[25:54.080 -> 25:59.920] But they brought Perez in to secure these results for second place and he's not doing
[25:59.920 -> 26:00.920] it.
[26:00.920 -> 26:03.040] Everything you just said made me sad.
[26:03.040 -> 26:06.000] So it's Antonio's turn to speak now and you can just sit in the corner.
[26:06.000 -> 26:09.400] No, you can be like Logan Sargent and sit on a grassy bank
[26:09.400 -> 26:12.600] and think about what you've done for the next 57 laps.
[26:12.600 -> 26:16.600] But in a way, and hear me out on this because I think it sounds a bit stupid,
[26:16.600 -> 26:19.400] so I'll talk and see where I end up.
[26:19.400 -> 26:25.000] I think it looks good for Red Bull to have a driver that can't compare to Max.
[26:25.000 -> 26:28.000] I think it looks good for them to constantly be saying,
[26:28.000 -> 26:31.000] well we can have someone else in but they'd just be worse.
[26:31.000 -> 26:37.000] How good for Red Bull does it look that even their own talent can't match their best talent?
[26:37.000 -> 26:42.000] You know, they want people to know Max is the best in the game.
[26:42.000 -> 26:46.280] He can't be beaten because it's their way, psychologically, of
[26:46.280 -> 26:50.600] saying, we chose a driver to go up against Max and even he can't measure up.
[26:50.600 -> 26:52.080] So what chance do you have?
[26:52.080 -> 26:53.080] Exactly.
[26:53.080 -> 26:54.080] Love it.
[26:54.080 -> 27:01.120] It looks good for them to have a huge gulf because Paris is doing the job. He's not exceptional.
[27:01.120 -> 27:10.400] He's not running away every weekend and challenging Max. He's doing enough to get P2 in the championship, the number one in the Constructor's Championship.
[27:10.400 -> 27:12.600] That's all they need. They don't need anyone better.
[27:12.600 -> 27:15.480] Antonio didn't make it any better. I'm not going to risk it by going to Matt. I'm going
[27:15.480 -> 27:20.640] to move on. I'm going to move on. So look, I like people being honest about their favourite
[27:20.640 -> 27:25.120] drivers. So me and Alex are big Lewis Hamilton fans. Alex is a big George
[27:25.120 -> 27:29.680] Russell fan. I think that that fan-ness is growing as we look to the next generation.
[27:29.680 -> 27:34.960] I followed Perez his whole career, which means I'm feeling a little bit sad this season and
[27:34.960 -> 27:40.160] last season and this season. Before that, it's been a rough time. And so I don't quite have
[27:40.800 -> 27:45.160] space. I haven't settled on like, who's the next driver in the next generation that's
[27:45.160 -> 27:50.760] filling a spot in my fandom heart? And I think, you know, Snowda's doing a lot of the right
[27:50.760 -> 27:57.360] things. So I find myself drawn that way. Don't do that face, Antonio. He's a very nice driver.
[27:57.360 -> 27:58.360] What's the face?
[27:58.360 -> 28:00.000] So everyone except the people on the radio.
[28:00.000 -> 28:02.240] Oh, yeah, no, he's mean to those people.
[28:02.240 -> 28:04.600] He hasn't had too much of a rant in a while.
[28:04.600 -> 28:05.200] Yeah, because you all shamed him. What has he been doing to those people. He hasn't had too much of a rant in a while, to be fair.
[28:05.200 -> 28:06.400] Because you all shamed him.
[28:06.400 -> 28:09.440] What has he been doing to be anything other than in the midfield?
[28:11.600 -> 28:15.360] We don't hear every single radio message from every single driver because it's like
[28:15.920 -> 28:19.440] going into a library and picking out the medium book.
[28:19.440 -> 28:21.520] I'm just getting kicking after kicking here.
[28:22.560 -> 28:28.160] But they like a Sonoda radio, and they like a feisty radio.
[28:28.160 -> 28:31.840] If someone is shouting at their pit crew, they will play it.
[28:31.840 -> 28:35.000] So if he hasn't been shouting at it, then that's why we haven't heard it.
[28:35.000 -> 28:39.960] Because if he was shouting, we 100% would have heard the radio.
[28:39.960 -> 28:47.760] So I think he's probably been told to calm the f down and not shout and do as you're told,
[28:47.760 -> 28:52.940] which is probably correct for someone of that age who's hot-headed and probably just needs
[28:52.940 -> 28:54.560] to focus on driving.
[28:54.560 -> 28:55.560] Come on.
[28:55.560 -> 29:02.360] A feisty radio is fine as long as you finish ahead of your teammate who only drove one
[29:02.360 -> 29:03.360] practice session.
[29:03.360 -> 29:09.560] This is not going well for me. teammate who only drove one practice session in the entire weekend and penalized for contact
[29:09.560 -> 29:11.080] on top of it.
[29:11.080 -> 29:12.960] And impeding in qualifying as well.
[29:12.960 -> 29:14.160] Oh yeah, that too.
[29:14.160 -> 29:15.160] Sorry.
[29:15.160 -> 29:16.160] Thank you for reminding me.
[29:16.160 -> 29:18.200] Yeah, don't get me wrong.
[29:18.200 -> 29:19.320] Sonoda is a good driver.
[29:19.320 -> 29:23.320] He came into F1 with a lot of promise and I don't doubt the guy has pace.
[29:23.320 -> 29:25.040] He's just in a very, unfortunately,
[29:25.040 -> 29:28.720] I say bang average car, they're bottom in the Constructors' Championships, they're the worst
[29:28.720 -> 29:35.920] car on the grid. However, Lawson, my word, I was so happy to see him get swallowed up today
[29:35.920 -> 29:40.640] because he wasn't chewed up and spat out at the back of the pack, he wasn't in loads of incidents,
[29:40.640 -> 29:52.440] he wasn't spinning around constantly in the wet conditions, which would have been so difficult. He did a decent job. He got P13, he did midfield, he did bang exactly
[29:52.440 -> 29:56.560] as you would have wanted him to do. He did exactly what a rookie needs to do, which is
[29:56.560 -> 30:01.720] fill the gap. And he did a great job. I was so happy to see it. As for the next generation
[30:01.720 -> 30:05.000] of talent, Tsunoda, no, would not be my pick.
[30:05.000 -> 30:12.600] However, I think there are about five drivers on the grid right now who could be world champions
[30:12.600 -> 30:14.640] if they were in the car for it.
[30:14.640 -> 30:16.200] That's it, and I'm glad you brought us there.
[30:16.200 -> 30:18.920] So first things first, Alex, you are now off the hook.
[30:18.920 -> 30:22.540] Antonia has hit the boom arm of her mic about six or seven times.
[30:22.540 -> 30:30.800] So now you want, she hasn't headbutted it yet, so you still hold the headbutting your microphone record. But the only reason I was
[30:30.800 -> 30:38.880] calling you out on air. I've messaged you seven times. I was trying to get to Gasly
[30:38.880 -> 30:46.320] if we're talking about this new generation who has the potential to be world champions in the right car. But if there is
[30:46.320 -> 30:53.280] space in my F1 fan heart, something has been building for Gasly. And I've loved the way
[30:53.280 -> 31:00.920] that when he's on his day, he seems just very, very aggressive, pushy. And I know if we painted
[31:00.920 -> 31:10.360] all the cars white, I probably couldn't tell which driver was which, but I feel like I could. I feel like I could pick out Gasly from a crowd, even if that's
[31:10.360 -> 31:16.460] just spiritually and not like in reality. But today, strategy aside, I don't think every
[31:16.460 -> 31:21.680] driver in the grid gets that podium today, Antonia. I think that that was a little bit
[31:21.680 -> 31:32.160] of a special grabbing of an opportunity. No, I agree. And we saw it in Monza in 2020 that Gasly got the win there. Yeah, 2020. I mean,
[31:32.720 -> 31:40.000] he is a driver with grit and he is blimming good. And you see it even off of the track. He really,
[31:40.000 -> 31:45.760] really wants it and that hunger, but it's calculated hunger. It's not uncontrolled,
[31:45.760 -> 31:51.440] I'm young and you know he's good. However, I do think there are other drivers on the grid
[31:51.440 -> 31:58.320] wearing the same car they would beat him in terms of raw pace, driving intelligence, you know,
[31:58.320 -> 32:03.120] just raw racing ability. You know, the kind of thing that Max has that just spark where they
[32:03.120 -> 32:07.080] can see a gap and go for it tactfully without making a mistake.
[32:07.080 -> 32:08.920] Want a hot take?
[32:08.920 -> 32:10.400] Do it.
[32:10.400 -> 32:16.560] Gasly is putting in Perez at Sauber and Perez at Forte in their performances and that's
[32:16.560 -> 32:18.320] the type of driver I is.
[32:18.320 -> 32:19.800] Oh my god.
[32:19.800 -> 32:21.480] That is rough.
[32:21.480 -> 32:25.000] He's not on the level of the drivers. Alex, Alex, he just finished on the podium in a dog alpine at Zambor. How many times did Perez do that? Yeah, loads of times.
[32:25.000 -> 32:26.000] Damn it.
[32:26.000 -> 32:27.000] Sorry, did not Ocon already do that this season?
[32:27.000 -> 32:28.000] I mean, you know, if we're going to talk about the podium being special and his qualifying
[32:28.000 -> 32:29.000] was better than Gasly's this weekend too.
[32:29.000 -> 32:30.000] He's got to bring it to Ocon, doesn't he?
[32:30.000 -> 32:31.000] Every time.
[32:31.000 -> 32:32.000] We're not talking about Ocon!
[32:32.000 -> 32:33.000] Yeah, quit it.
[32:33.000 -> 32:34.000] I'm just saying that if that's the case, I'm going to be a bit disappointed.
[32:34.000 -> 32:35.000] I'm not going to be a bit disappointed.
[32:35.000 -> 32:36.000] I'm not going to be a bit disappointed.
[32:36.000 -> 32:37.000] I'm not going to be a bit disappointed.
[32:37.000 -> 32:38.000] I'm not going to be a bit disappointed.
[32:38.000 -> 32:39.000] I'm not going to be a bit disappointed.
[32:39.000 -> 32:40.000] I'm not going to be a bit disappointed.
[32:40.000 -> 32:41.000] I'm not going to be a bit disappointed.
[32:41.000 -> 32:42.000] I'm not going to be a bit disappointed.
[32:42.000 -> 32:43.000] I'm not going to be a bit disappointed.
[32:43.000 -> 32:44.000] I'm not going to be a bit disappointed.
[32:44.000 -> 32:45.560] I'm not going to be a bit disappointed. I'm not going to be a bit disappointed. I'm not going to be a bit disappointed. I'm not going to be a bit disappointed. I'm not going to be a bit disappointed. qualifying was better than Gasly's this weekend. He's got to bring it to Arkon, doesn't he? Every time Trump...
[32:45.560 -> 32:46.560] We're not talking about Arkon!
[32:46.560 -> 32:47.560] Yeah, quit it.
[32:47.560 -> 32:54.360] I'm just saying that if that's... if the bar is, I finished third in an Alpine this season,
[32:54.360 -> 32:56.600] then he's not done anything more than his teammate.
[32:56.600 -> 32:57.600] I think that's reasonable at this point.
[32:57.600 -> 32:58.600] I'm not even against Arkon.
[32:58.600 -> 32:59.600] No, I'm beginning to be.
[32:59.600 -> 33:00.600] I like Arkon.
[33:00.600 -> 33:01.600] I've always liked Arkon.
[33:01.600 -> 33:02.600] I think Arkon's...
[33:02.600 -> 33:03.600] I like him.
[33:03.600 -> 33:04.600] I think Arkon's really good.
[33:04.600 -> 33:06.000] You don't get on the Mercedes
[33:06.000 -> 33:13.480] program without correct. And he was a Toto pick as well. It's just that they just didn't
[33:13.480 -> 33:15.040] have the drive for him at the time.
[33:15.040 -> 33:21.240] Just to counteract Matt, just to balance the Miss Apex energy, we have to be slightly Ocon
[33:21.240 -> 33:22.920] negative.
[33:22.920 -> 33:25.760] That is fine because actually the person I would put forward in this
[33:25.760 -> 33:32.160] race would be Albon. 110%. How can you not love him at this point? That's what I would ask.
[33:32.160 -> 33:37.120] Okay, I know. All right then. I'll have a go at being the big ruiner. No, Alex, go on. You're
[33:37.120 -> 33:43.280] so good at it. You just do it now. I love Albon. I've always loved Albon and he got done dirty by
[33:43.280 -> 33:45.160] Red Bull without a shadow of a doubt in
[33:45.160 -> 33:49.600] my mind. It was his rookie season. He was just getting to grips and getting the hang
[33:49.600 -> 33:55.400] of that Alfa Tauri car. They then threw him into the Red Bull, into the Lions, into the
[33:55.400 -> 34:01.680] Lions den and then crapped on him from a really high height the entire way through the season,
[34:01.680 -> 34:08.200] the second season until they, until they dropped him. They didn't give him a chance chance to blossom and now he's got this chance to blossom. He's doing what George
[34:08.200 -> 34:14.800] Russell was doing in that Williams and is putting in spectacular performances. And is
[34:14.800 -> 34:20.360] he as good as Russell and Norris? No. Is he just on their heels? I think so.
[34:20.360 -> 34:23.400] He would also be in my pick and I'm really glad you actually mentioned that with Red
[34:23.400 -> 34:28.400] Bull because I think whilst the heads will roll tactic is something you can afford to do in Formula One,
[34:28.400 -> 34:32.600] because nothing is deserved, you are always there fighting every single weekend,
[34:32.600 -> 34:38.600] I think they were way too hasty with Albon, I think they saw potential and exploited it before it was ripe.
[34:38.600 -> 34:42.200] You know, they saw a massive, like what, carrot growing in the garden,
[34:42.200 -> 34:45.200] and ripped it out before it had the chance to fully grow.
[34:45.200 -> 34:50.080] And Albon is a really matured into a fantastic driver. Now he's got the experience and the
[34:50.080 -> 34:57.440] maturity. He's really an intelligent driver, like I said. However, this being said,
[34:58.080 -> 35:04.720] I don't think I can ever see him going into now one of these bigger team seats, simply because
[35:04.720 -> 35:05.800] I don't think there's the time
[35:05.800 -> 35:12.520] for him anymore. But at Red Bull, and I think this is something I noticed this weekend with
[35:12.520 -> 35:19.880] Liam Lawson coming in, Red Bull and AlphaTauri are undeniably one big team now. It's not
[35:19.880 -> 35:24.320] Red Bull and a separate AlphaTauri, it's not. They are one big team.
[35:24.320 -> 35:25.200] 100%.
[35:25.200 -> 35:33.040] All controlled by Christian Horner. And personally, I don't think that that works well in a Formula
[35:33.040 -> 35:34.040] One format.
[35:34.040 -> 35:35.040] Works well for them.
[35:35.040 -> 35:39.980] I don't think it's fair, to be honest, to have all of these drivers at your disposal
[35:39.980 -> 35:44.660] for one specific team's benefit. I don't know. I just think, for me, that was something that
[35:44.660 -> 35:48.560] really stuck out this weekend, especially with Lawson. I went, okay, they've changed
[35:48.560 -> 35:53.400] the name from Toro Rosso, which literally means Red Bull, to AlphaTauri to try and separate
[35:53.400 -> 35:58.680] themselves. And yet here Christian Horner is referring to a situation happening in another
[35:58.680 -> 36:00.760] team as if it's happening right underneath them.
[36:00.760 -> 36:05.280] It was, yeah. There was no distinction between those two. That was a team principal talking
[36:05.280 -> 36:10.400] about one of his four driver spots in one of his two teams. And you're absolutely right. It's not
[36:10.400 -> 36:17.360] the case of a customer team who's coming in and taking an engine like Alfa Romeo and Sauber,
[36:17.360 -> 36:22.000] where there is some influence. It's well, well beyond that. This time last year,
[36:22.720 -> 36:26.640] when people were making horrible accusations about
[36:26.640 -> 36:33.520] Alpha Tauri helping out Max Verstappen with the double failed attempts to create a safety
[36:33.520 -> 36:38.080] car and then eventually giving a safety car, he said they're an entirely separate team.
[36:38.080 -> 36:42.840] It would be ridiculous to say that one helped the other. Now he is freely talking about
[36:42.840 -> 36:47.400] them as one entity. So yes, Red Bull has four cars.
[36:47.400 -> 36:50.200] There's two engineering teams, but Red Bull has four cars.
[36:50.200 -> 36:51.200] Right.
[36:51.200 -> 36:55.360] I wanted to just, you know, make sure that we covered our bases with the drivers that
[36:55.360 -> 36:56.920] actually did well.
[36:56.920 -> 37:00.600] And yes, you haven't entirely ruined it for me, Alex.
[37:00.600 -> 37:04.840] Gasly had an absolute blinder today, and I'll stick to my guns.
[37:04.840 -> 37:05.500] Absolutely. Absolutely.
[37:05.500 -> 37:06.500] Absolutely.
[37:06.500 -> 37:07.500] Not everyone.
[37:07.500 -> 37:14.200] In changing conditions, in a horrible, horrible race day, he did an amazing job.
[37:14.200 -> 37:15.200] Okay.
[37:15.200 -> 37:18.300] And this one, even though I'm an Alonso fan, it still annoyed me that he finished second.
[37:18.300 -> 37:23.460] So I'm going to leave you, Matt, to lead the conversation on why Fernando Alonso was super
[37:23.460 -> 37:24.900] brilliant as well today.
[37:24.900 -> 37:29.200] Well, I'd like to start with the start. I mean, I hate to go all the way back there after all
[37:29.200 -> 37:36.320] this time, but of all the drivers off the grid into those mixed conditions on slick tires,
[37:36.960 -> 37:41.360] it's hard to argue with the fact that Fernando was pretty impressive looking, right, Genesy?
[37:42.400 -> 37:44.880] Yeah. Yeah.
[37:44.880 -> 37:53.120] I'm going to make you do it. It's like making you eat your vegetables, isn't it? impressive looking right Genesy? Yeah yeah Alonzo, Alonzo, Alonzo, Alonzo, listen regardless of my
[37:53.120 -> 37:58.960] feelings towards how I feel about Alonzo's personality I've never shied away from how
[37:58.960 -> 38:06.320] good he is in a race car and he showed that off the line, always been a staple of his brilliance.
[38:06.320 -> 38:13.840] And he basically mimicked Max but in a slower car. It is the biggest praise I can give
[38:13.840 -> 38:20.960] Fernando Alonso today. No mistakes, no errors, they copied exactly what Max was doing and he just
[38:20.960 -> 38:27.440] made it work. And even when he got bogged down in the pits and I had a glimmer
[38:27.440 -> 38:33.400] of hope I could say nasty things about him, he just took it all back. So, he was great
[38:33.400 -> 38:39.120] today and yeah, it hurts saying that more than how great Max was today.
[38:39.120 -> 38:45.400] But that's what separated I think the podium today from the rest of the grid. There was that kind of control over
[38:45.400 -> 38:52.160] the race in changing conditions in a really difficult, really difficult race where the
[38:52.160 -> 38:56.760] traction is all over the place. You're constantly having to switch strategies. You have to be
[38:56.760 -> 39:03.440] adaptable and responsive. These kind of mature, controlled, responsive drives. That's what
[39:03.440 -> 39:05.000] got these three on the podium today.
[39:08.900 -> 39:09.000] That's what separated Gasly from his peers in other cars.
[39:13.080 -> 39:13.180] It was his ability to stay calm, to hold off Perez within the,
[39:16.180 -> 39:16.280] and stay close to him in that five-second gap
[39:18.180 -> 39:18.280] to make sure he got on the podium.
[39:22.080 -> 39:22.180] It's these little things like that that really do separate
[39:25.680 -> 39:30.560] the good drivers from the really good drivers. See, I love the intricacies of this because when I go back, when I went back and looked at this,
[39:31.200 -> 39:35.520] the first thing I thought to myself when I, you know, I finally spent an hour and a half figuring
[39:35.520 -> 39:39.920] out what actually happened in the race. The first thing I thought was, oh, I think there were about
[39:39.920 -> 39:46.200] three chances for Alonso to legitimately be ahead of Max in this race.
[39:46.200 -> 39:51.120] And Aston, I'm not going to say they threw away a win, because I'm not sure that would
[39:51.120 -> 39:56.800] have happened, but I think the opportunity for Alonzo to have been first out of the pits
[39:56.800 -> 40:00.680] after the red flag might have in theory existed.
[40:00.680 -> 40:06.920] And it goes back to that very first pit stop where they followed Max around, admittedly
[40:06.920 -> 40:11.380] probably doing the opposite of Perez, which is a standard Formula 1 tactic.
[40:11.380 -> 40:18.600] But just imagine if he'd come in behind Perez, Max would have been behind him.
[40:18.600 -> 40:21.720] And guess what Aston was not going to do?
[40:21.720 -> 40:23.640] Undercut Max so he could be ahead of Alonso.
[40:23.640 -> 40:27.640] Yeah, I don't know. Going back to what you're saying about Alonso potentially taking the
[40:27.640 -> 40:32.360] win, I think this is in a way after the red flag why I felt a little bit robbed that we
[40:32.360 -> 40:38.000] didn't have a standing start because I do think if Alonso had had a good start off of
[40:38.000 -> 40:42.040] the line of a standing start, I mean he was following Max quite quickly after the red
[40:42.040 -> 40:49.120] flag, the rolling start, for a long time he was within two seconds actually sticking with him before he then decided to drop off a little
[40:49.120 -> 40:52.800] bit. And I do think that that was a conscious thing to stop pushing on him as much to save
[40:52.800 -> 40:57.800] his tyres, actually make it the what, seven laps until the end of the race. And I do think,
[40:57.800 -> 41:02.200] I wish we could have had a standing start because I think we could have had so many
[41:02.200 -> 41:09.300] good battles going on there that we didn't end up having. And I'm not quite sure why we had a rolling start, because in my opinion, the conditions
[41:09.300 -> 41:10.300] were safe for it.
[41:10.300 -> 41:11.300] I've got a theory.
[41:11.300 -> 41:12.300] No, hang on.
[41:12.300 -> 41:13.300] I've got, look.
[41:13.300 -> 41:14.300] Go on, you go.
[41:14.300 -> 41:17.080] Well, that didn't last very long, me being in charge, did it?
[41:17.080 -> 41:18.080] I'm back.
[41:18.080 -> 41:23.400] So, we, when there was first an introduction of standing starts after a red flag, we all
[41:23.400 -> 41:30.320] went rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble. Because this was just after we'd sort of clocked on that the safety
[41:30.320 -> 41:36.200] cars were being much more trigger happy. So they go, oh, safety car, here's a chance to
[41:36.200 -> 41:40.360] bunch up the pack. And if there was a red flag, they would go, oh, we'll do a standing
[41:40.360 -> 41:48.560] start now. And at the time it was like, that's so stupid. That is just manipulating, you know, extra excitement that wasn't earned. It should be a rolling start like normal.
[41:48.560 -> 41:52.560] And then we all saw the standing starts after the red flags and they were super duper fun and we got
[41:52.560 -> 41:57.680] used to them. And so now it was a disappointment when you suddenly say, right, we're going to do
[41:57.680 -> 42:03.280] a rolling start. There was nothing stopping that being a standing start. I wonder if race control
[42:03.280 -> 42:05.040] were thinking about getting safely
[42:05.040 -> 42:10.920] out of the hotbed of Max Verstappen fans. And if you want to be a conspiracy theorist,
[42:10.920 -> 42:17.160] you go, oh, you know, that makes the risk of the home win, you know, much, much smaller
[42:17.160 -> 42:20.920] if we then go into a rolling start. I think we should give them the benefit of the doubt
[42:20.920 -> 42:25.120] and say it was for safety, but I did go,
[42:32.160 -> 42:32.720] sus and boring and rubbish, boo. I definitely screamed boo at the screen and we did boo,
[42:38.960 -> 42:47.680] but I still think it was the wrong decision. I don't think it was wet enough to be an issue, but they probably had flashbacks to Australia. And I think probably Arpey had a flashback to Australia.
[42:48.240 -> 42:51.440] No, can we please, for the holy start, please? Please!
[42:51.440 -> 42:56.640] So this is where I'm a massive hypocrite as a fan. It's the balance between being a fan and then
[42:56.640 -> 43:02.880] playing armchair FIA, armchair race control, what would I do? Because in Australia, I was fully like,
[43:02.880 -> 43:07.920] oh, that was so stupid. It was a farce. The whole, you know, you threw the red flag out and then you do your save. And look, you've
[43:07.920 -> 43:13.640] got your just desserts. You deserved all that chaos. And then today I'm going, boo, that
[43:13.640 -> 43:18.480] should have been a standing start. So yeah, fully admit the hypocrisy on that one.
[43:18.480 -> 43:25.720] My only counterpoint to this argument would have been lap one. Lap one where I fully expected multiple people to drive
[43:25.720 -> 43:32.560] off the circuit and or crash, slick tires, raining. It didn't happen. And so maybe
[43:32.560 -> 43:37.440] maybe like if I'm going to be super critical I would raise my hand and say
[43:37.440 -> 43:43.560] well look you had lap one as evidence the drivers could handle this and it's
[43:43.560 -> 43:46.600] more of a fair sporting from a Formula
[43:46.600 -> 43:52.660] One point of view way to do things. So it wouldn't have been entirely remiss, I
[43:52.660 -> 43:57.320] think. I think a standing start was in the realm of possibility. But I
[43:57.320 -> 44:02.760] also understand after Australia why they wouldn't want to subject themselves to
[44:02.760 -> 44:06.240] it again. And we the the fans, maybe bear some blame
[44:06.240 -> 44:07.560] because we sure did yell at them a lot.
[44:07.560 -> 44:09.160] We did, didn't we?
[44:09.160 -> 44:10.000] I don't know.
[44:10.000 -> 44:13.560] I'm willing to let go of the fact we had a rolling start,
[44:13.560 -> 44:15.720] or I would be, were it not for the fact
[44:15.720 -> 44:18.600] that they made everyone start on the inter-tyres.
[44:18.600 -> 44:21.640] That, I felt, was too much for me
[44:21.640 -> 44:24.440] because the Red Bulls were on wets.
[44:24.440 -> 44:26.960] And I thought, okay thought okay well they might not
[44:26.960 -> 44:30.880] change them so I thought they might leave them on in the off chance that there were more rain
[44:30.880 -> 44:33.920] because they were saying there was going to be a little bit of pitter patter you know enough
[44:33.920 -> 44:38.640] to warrant perhaps leaving the wets on which I thought would then lead to a really interesting
[44:38.640 -> 44:43.280] last minute charge into the pits for the Red Bulls to change on to the inters and again give us
[44:43.280 -> 44:47.640] something interesting you know give us a bit more strategy in the last few laps of the race.
[44:47.640 -> 44:49.640] So I thought with the rolling start
[44:49.640 -> 44:51.440] and the fact that everyone was on the same tyres,
[44:51.440 -> 44:53.840] I do understand that that's from a safety perspective,
[44:53.840 -> 44:55.960] but it wasn't like anyone was on slicks.
[44:55.960 -> 44:57.840] It wasn't like anyone was going to go sliding off,
[44:57.840 -> 45:00.400] you know, too much grip never killed anyone.
[45:00.400 -> 45:04.080] But I don't know, I think I would have liked to see
[45:04.080 -> 45:06.200] a little bit more coming into play
[45:06.200 -> 45:07.520] after the red flag.
[45:07.520 -> 45:09.320] Well, this is interesting.
[45:09.320 -> 45:17.760] I think what they wanted to do was get rid of the possibility that teams would put both
[45:17.760 -> 45:21.960] their drivers on the wets and then try and pit them at the same time to avoid the kind
[45:21.960 -> 45:24.040] of chaos that we saw in Spa.
[45:24.040 -> 45:25.960] I think that was sitting firmly in their head.
[45:25.960 -> 45:31.440] So they picked the tire that they knew everybody would be happy enough on.
[45:31.940 -> 45:35.560] And yeah, it would have been fun if someone could have put on some soft.
[45:36.120 -> 45:39.620] It would have been fun to see someone on the wrong tire having to come in, but
[45:39.620 -> 45:42.500] there are also only effectively five laps of racing left.
[45:42.500 -> 45:47.120] So, so they knew everyone would, everyone, the inters would work for
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[46:57.400 -> 47:00.600] So a disgruntled Mercedes fan, and I'm so sorry,
[47:00.600 -> 47:02.400] I cannot remember the lady's name that tweeted it,
[47:02.400 -> 47:08.240] said, I'm so glad that they've mandated that they have to start on intermediates because I was scared they were going to put
[47:08.240 -> 47:14.640] Hamilton out on the hards. And that is just showing the current state of the Hamilton
[47:14.640 -> 47:20.560] Mercedes fan base at the moment. So I think we did cover most of Mercedes, but I think I had a
[47:20.560 -> 47:25.760] couple of little points that I had outstanding about that. I think one
[47:25.760 -> 47:33.040] was Russell's race. So we covered Hamilton's race. In fact, here we go. He qualified badly.
[47:33.760 -> 47:40.000] He had a poor Saturday. I know he was impeded on three separate occasions, but I was really
[47:40.000 -> 47:45.600] unpopular on Twitter because I'm meant to be like you know a Hamilton fanboy and I just
[47:45.600 -> 47:51.680] I just said he looked off on the inters all weekend and on the Friday practices he was
[47:51.680 -> 47:58.480] slower than Russell on inters. At no point during qualifying did he look like he was comfortable
[47:58.480 -> 48:03.600] with the inters or ahead of Russell on the inters. He never looked in danger of setting a lap at all.
[48:03.600 -> 48:06.000] So whether he was impeded or
[48:06.000 -> 48:11.800] not, they were constantly circling during those qualifying sessions. And at every point,
[48:11.800 -> 48:18.720] he was behind. He was just off the pace on Saturday. And as fans, when your driver has
[48:18.720 -> 48:24.800] a bad session or is struggling in some element, it's not useful to just deny that.
[48:24.800 -> 48:25.360] Yeah, it was a useful to just deny that.
[48:29.360 -> 48:34.720] Yeah, it was a hard one for Lewis this weekend. I think he was very clearly not comfortable with the car. I know he came on the radio a couple of times saying it's not responding and you really,
[48:34.720 -> 48:39.280] I can't stress this enough at Zandvoort, you need a responsive car because if you're going into
[48:39.280 -> 48:43.200] these long sweeping turns and then all of a sudden you've got that really nasty chicane at the end of
[48:43.200 -> 48:49.520] the lap, it's very easy to go off there and really struggle, especially at that part. But he just
[48:49.520 -> 48:55.440] really didn't seem to have it. And normally Lewis in the wet is excellent. That is when he comes
[48:55.440 -> 49:00.880] into play, he gives a masterclass in difficult conditions and that's what his experience
[49:00.880 -> 49:10.080] affords him. You know, that's why he's one of the greats because he's been in the sport long enough where he can put on these fantastic shows going, I know how to drive a car
[49:10.080 -> 49:15.520] in the wet, I know how to do this, let me show you. But I mean, George, I felt so disappointed
[49:15.520 -> 49:21.600] for in the race because he qualified well and then what? He was P18 after the first round of
[49:21.600 -> 49:26.720] mishaps occurred and then he was fighting in a very futile manner. I mean, even after the first round of mishaps occurred. And then he was fighting in a very futile manner.
[49:26.720 -> 49:28.260] I mean, even after the red flag,
[49:28.260 -> 49:30.520] when he was having a really nice battle,
[49:30.520 -> 49:32.840] finally, with the McLaren,
[49:32.840 -> 49:34.040] and then he got that puncture.
[49:34.040 -> 49:35.960] You know, I think Mercedes this weekend
[49:35.960 -> 49:37.480] generally just seemed really off.
[49:37.480 -> 49:40.560] They didn't quite feel comfortable with either the track,
[49:40.560 -> 49:43.120] the car, the conditions, just didn't seem to work.
[49:43.120 -> 49:48.360] So Mercedes definitely owe George Russell an ice cream and not at home ice cream,
[49:48.360 -> 49:51.840] not like one of those freezer pop things in the plastic tube,
[49:51.840 -> 49:55.760] like I'm talking like a store bought or ice cream van ice cream.
[49:55.760 -> 49:56.880] But we'll get to Russell.
[49:56.880 -> 50:01.120] But Genesy, let's linger on Hamilton because we're both Hamilton fans.
[50:01.120 -> 50:02.640] It didn't look good on Saturday.
[50:02.640 -> 50:05.040] And I really I know the impeding was bad,
[50:05.040 -> 50:08.800] but there was there was performance left on the table. He didn't have to start 13th.
[50:10.000 -> 50:15.760] There's a pattern to Lewis when he's having a bad qualifying and it's really always evident
[50:15.760 -> 50:20.400] from the very first, from the very first session and I just knew he was in trouble.
[50:20.400 -> 50:23.200] Yes. From the very first session. I have tweet evidence that I agree.
[50:24.400 -> 50:27.420] It was like, it was like, I know this pattern.
[50:27.420 -> 50:30.080] This is, Luris is struggling with something.
[50:30.080 -> 50:31.580] Something isn't right.
[50:31.580 -> 50:34.560] And he's going to have a, he's going to have a problem here.
[50:34.560 -> 50:39.680] And what was right, you know, I was like, when he put that qualifying lap in, in Q2,
[50:39.680 -> 50:42.680] I'm like, that's not fast enough.
[50:42.680 -> 50:44.320] And he's been out there a while.
[50:44.320 -> 50:48.640] And then all of a sudden he was 1.2 seconds off in the first sector on his final lap.
[50:48.640 -> 50:50.880] And I'm like, Oh, well, look, it happened.
[50:50.880 -> 50:52.600] Color me color me surprised.
[50:52.600 -> 50:55.000] You just wasn't working for him.
[50:55.000 -> 51:01.400] And as Antonio correctly says, he normally shows the way in these conditions, but something
[51:01.400 -> 51:03.360] wasn't right with him.
[51:03.360 -> 51:05.920] And it didn't happen today.
[51:05.920 -> 51:07.620] And yeah, people can blame traffic,
[51:07.620 -> 51:10.020] people have seen people trying to blame Mercedes
[51:10.020 -> 51:13.580] strategy out for it, but he just didn't have the pace.
[51:13.580 -> 51:15.940] Even if they did tell him to go a lap early,
[51:15.940 -> 51:20.100] he didn't have the pace on Sunday, on Saturday.
[51:20.100 -> 51:22.260] But my God, did he have the pace today though.
[51:22.260 -> 51:27.520] Well, this is in FP1 or FP2, one of those where it was like for like runs with Russell.
[51:27.520 -> 51:33.040] He was 1.9 off of Verstappen and Russell was, you know, only like 0.6 or something like that.
[51:33.040 -> 51:36.880] And he seemed surprised and he's like, where am I losing the pace?
[51:36.880 -> 51:41.520] And his race engineer's like, well, like, basically, it's just a little bit in turn nine,
[51:41.520 -> 51:45.520] nothing to worry about. And also turn 10, a big chunk in 13
[51:45.520 -> 51:49.240] and 14. You know what I mean? He just kept listing all the corners and Hamilton didn't
[51:49.240 -> 51:57.320] seem to know why. I wonder if Hamilton tends to run slightly lower downforce than Russell.
[51:57.320 -> 52:00.760] So maybe that was affecting it in the intermediate conditions, Antonia?
[52:00.760 -> 52:05.840] Yeah, I mean, this is a circuit where you do want relatively high downforce, but it's
[52:05.840 -> 52:10.200] a tricky circuit. I mean, obviously it's one he's less experienced on anyway, which might
[52:10.200 -> 52:13.740] throw him off because obviously compared to the other drivers, he's got years and years
[52:13.740 -> 52:18.480] on them at other circuits, but that's not really an excuse for someone with his experience.
[52:18.480 -> 52:26.860] Yes, I do think downforce perhaps came into it, but I mean, it's not the fastest of laps. DRS is really huge, it's 17 odd kilometers
[52:26.860 -> 52:33.360] an hour, but you're only averaging about 134 miles per hour anyway. It's not a super fast
[52:33.360 -> 52:37.900] one where you need to have lightning speed reactions and then you're doing tight turns.
[52:37.900 -> 52:42.380] It's long sweeping corners where, obviously this is so easy for me to say because I'm
[52:42.380 -> 52:49.640] not a racing driver, but it's not like on the corners you've got the smallest of margins. It's not Jeddah. You're not going around and
[52:49.640 -> 52:55.040] you're playing it safe. So you're missing about a tenth at each corner. I just, I don't
[52:55.040 -> 52:58.720] know. I just think it was a case of him not clicking with the circuit.
[52:58.720 -> 53:02.520] And to be, to put this into perspective, the last time I saw you in a motor vehicle on
[53:02.520 -> 53:05.240] a long sweeping corner, you were just laid out unconscious.
[53:05.240 -> 53:11.040] So I'm not sure like whether that is relevant, but I'll post video evidence.
[53:11.040 -> 53:12.040] Yeah, thanks.
[53:12.040 -> 53:13.040] Sorry about that.
[53:13.040 -> 53:15.560] I am also terrible at go-karts.
[53:15.560 -> 53:17.440] I think I've killed Alex.
[53:17.440 -> 53:21.560] So look, in the race though, he was right, Matt.
[53:21.560 -> 53:22.560] Alex is right.
[53:22.560 -> 53:26.160] In the race, Hamilton just did seem to come to life.
[53:26.160 -> 53:31.120] And I think as the conditions dried out, we saw where his pace was. So the race pace was strong.
[53:31.120 -> 53:37.840] The Mercedes pace was actually really, really strong. And I guess that gives them hope going
[53:37.840 -> 53:45.560] forward that despite nearly everything going wrong today, this weekend from qualifying through to that first call to
[53:45.560 -> 53:50.540] not pit and they put themselves in a terrible position. Actually the pace they
[53:50.540 -> 53:54.960] had and his performance through the pack and overtaking in the dry at a hard
[53:54.960 -> 54:01.160] track like this to get up to was it P6 in the end. That's, I mean it's damning
[54:01.160 -> 54:05.680] with faint praise but P6 felt like a good story for the weekend.
[54:05.680 -> 54:08.840] Well, this is a weird track.
[54:08.840 -> 54:14.260] Qualifying matters a bit more than usual here than on most other tracks, because essentially
[54:14.260 -> 54:17.460] you can't pass at all in Sector 2.
[54:17.460 -> 54:23.480] And for Lewis, it was a story of, from FP1 he liked the car.
[54:23.480 -> 54:26.560] The changes they made when they went to FP2 he didn't like. The changes they made when they went to FP2, he didn't like.
[54:26.560 -> 54:29.800] The changes they made when they went to FP3, he liked even less.
[54:29.800 -> 54:35.140] And by the time he got to qualifying, it's worth understanding how different the weather
[54:35.140 -> 54:38.440] was to what they'd had to that first free practice.
[54:38.440 -> 54:46.000] And I think this is really what, this is the difference between him and russell russell was able to get the tires working.
[54:46.640 -> 54:54.960] Better than louis especially because louis had the impeding incidents to deal with which cost him
[54:54.960 -> 55:12.000] tire temperature and so louis finds himself starting in a terrible position but ultimately But ultimately the car itself proved to be, I think, the second fastest car overall, at least at the end of the race and in Lewis's hands.
[55:12.000 -> 55:25.200] So again, we have this dichotomy where you can have a car that does well in the race because you can manage the tires, but the price you pay for that is in qualifying. It's harder to get a good time because it's hard to get them
[55:25.200 -> 55:30.800] into the window at the start of the lap where you need that temperature to be that precise.
[55:30.800 -> 55:36.000] Russell isn't as good at managing degradation, but the flip side of that is he's going to heat
[55:36.000 -> 55:42.000] those tires up faster because of how he drives the car. This is why we see Lewis generally having
[55:42.000 -> 55:45.360] better races than George at this point in the season, in
[55:45.360 -> 55:49.300] my extremely humble opinion.
[55:49.300 -> 55:51.180] If you do say so yourself, yes.
[55:51.180 -> 55:55.520] I mean, George at the end of the race, unfortunately, wasn't quite the tyre wizard, was he?
[55:55.520 -> 55:58.600] I mean, they certainly weren't very hot, holy perhaps, yes.
[55:58.600 -> 56:03.800] But no, towards the end of the race, Lewis did seem to do pretty well and he really got
[56:03.800 -> 56:07.600] to grips and he was putting in a really interesting battle with Norris. We didn't quite catch
[56:07.600 -> 56:11.840] it at the end of the race, but it was almost a photo finish with him and Lando, I believe,
[56:11.840 -> 56:18.480] right at the end of the lap. It was really, really close, something like 27,000, something.
[56:18.480 -> 56:23.440] It was a really good battle anyway towards the end of the race. I do think on race pace,
[56:23.440 -> 56:31.520] they call George missed a Saturday, yes, but Lewis experience will show at some point and he can control a race very, very well. You
[56:31.520 -> 56:38.800] know, he's Lewis. But yeah, I still feel myself a little bit underwhelmed. I think there was more
[56:38.800 -> 56:45.200] that Mercedes could have given. Like you said, they did have a good car, but it just wasn't as responsive as you would hope it
[56:45.200 -> 56:52.320] would be. Okay, so earlier in the show, I got assassinated for the drivers I support. Antonia
[56:52.320 -> 57:00.240] stuck the knife in a full bayonet twist over Snowda. Van Geendt just, I'm already on the floor
[57:00.240 -> 57:05.560] as a Perez fan, but he just like fully kept kicking me as if I was Youssef below
[57:05.560 -> 57:11.680] the belt, right? There we go. So now it's my turn, okay? George Russell, Alex, was mugged.
[57:11.680 -> 57:17.400] Absolutely was mugged by the strategy, totally unlucky, but a great qualifying performance.
[57:17.400 -> 57:27.280] What I'll say is, there was a weird demeanour around the circumstances by which he was robbed, which is a, a three-pronged
[57:27.280 -> 57:34.800] assault. After Saturday and before the race today, he looked so chipper. He really looked
[57:34.800 -> 57:40.940] like he had it in the bag, the race was finished, he already had his podium medal, he was already
[57:40.940 -> 57:46.860] smelling the champagne doused hair, and he was already mentally in the nightclub, it seemed like.
[57:46.860 -> 57:52.600] And the third of that prong is the battle with Norris and perhaps not giving him enough room,
[57:52.600 -> 57:57.420] I do think that was Norris's fault, but maybe driving a little bit on tilt at the end of the day.
[57:57.500 -> 58:02.400] The one that got me though was the radio message when he'd ended up down in P17,
[58:02.680 -> 58:09.200] where he came on the radio and he says, where's my podium? You told me I was entitled to a podium.
[58:09.200 -> 58:14.480] Where's my podium that I'm entitled to? And it was a little bit revealing.
[58:14.480 -> 58:19.160] It was like, I was told I would get a podium and now I don't have a podium.
[58:19.160 -> 58:23.200] And it was very blamey and it wasn't very kind of teamy.
[58:23.200 -> 58:27.120] And you go, I'm not sure he'll look back on that and go,
[58:27.120 -> 58:35.040] that's not what I wanted to say. I mean, just for legal reasons, that is not a direct quote.
[58:35.040 -> 58:40.000] Is it not? Is it not exactly what he said? It's not a direct quote. He basically said,
[58:40.000 -> 58:47.200] we were forecast for podium today. Oh, did I misspeak? Oh, I misspeak? What the F happened and you can pick
[58:47.200 -> 58:54.960] on this comment or you write or you want but tell me he wasn't absolutely correct in saying
[58:54.960 -> 59:01.680] yeah I thought I probably would be fighting with Lando for most of the race and probably
[59:01.680 -> 59:10.880] had a better car than Lando so I'd probably beat Lando and then be behind. Probably thought he'd be second at that point because we hadn't had the
[59:10.880 -> 59:19.680] Pérez and the Alonso brilliance. But yeah, I'm with Russell, you know, he absolutely nailed it
[59:19.680 -> 59:25.480] in qualifying yesterday. He did everything right. Yes, you're right.
[59:25.480 -> 59:33.000] And got absolutely screwed by his team, pitting him not one, but two laps too late.
[59:33.000 -> 59:34.000] Definitely.
[59:34.000 -> 59:38.000] And put him at the back of the grid and he fought his way back to seventh.
[59:38.000 -> 59:41.880] Definitely one of his best races of the weekend. Alex, all I'll say to you is look at me in
[59:41.880 -> 59:48.560] the eye. Look at me in the eye, Alex. Right? Look at me in the eye. There we go. Okay. You don't score until you score.
[59:48.560 -> 59:51.680] That's all I'm saying. And he just acted like he'd scored.
[59:51.680 -> 59:52.640] All right, Stifler.
[59:52.640 -> 59:54.800] Yes! You gave it away. You're not meant to-
[59:54.800 -> 59:57.680] Of course I get it! I'm the only person that gets your movie references.
[59:57.680 -> 01:00:01.760] But you're not meant to highlight it. I do the movie reference and then three people-
[01:00:01.760 -> 01:00:07.920] No, but I could say Stifler. I mean, I could say Stifler and people might not... Does... Antonia, you're quite young, do you know who Stifler is?
[01:00:07.920 -> 01:00:12.640] Not at all. Okay, good. See, it's fine, it works. Alex, it was fine and then you had to make us feel
[01:00:12.640 -> 01:00:18.320] old. Why? Mate, honestly, I'm trying to lose weight at the moment and I'm feeling old, trying to run
[01:00:18.320 -> 01:00:27.600] every single Bloomin' Day, it's killing me. But no, the beauty with Russell today was he had his winch, which he was entitled to.
[01:00:27.600 -> 01:00:28.600] I think you're right.
[01:00:28.600 -> 01:00:29.600] I think you're right.
[01:00:29.600 -> 01:00:30.600] Yeah.
[01:00:30.600 -> 01:00:31.720] Which he was absolutely entitled to.
[01:00:31.720 -> 01:00:34.040] And then got his head down and raced.
[01:00:34.040 -> 01:00:36.880] He didn't moan about going on the hard tyre, which I did.
[01:00:36.880 -> 01:00:37.880] That was a shock.
[01:00:37.880 -> 01:00:42.920] I shouted at the screen when he went on the hard tyres, but he made it work.
[01:00:42.920 -> 01:00:45.120] And then he was doing great guns
[01:00:45.120 -> 01:00:51.960] at the restart and then got tapped by Norris and punctured and ruined his day. If I was
[01:00:51.960 -> 01:00:58.040] George, I'd be kicking stuff in the Mercedes clubhouse today and making a lot of noise
[01:00:58.040 -> 01:01:02.480] and being very, very upset because he should have had a podium and he's not on the podium
[01:01:02.480 -> 01:01:05.440] through absolutely zero fault of his own.
[01:01:12.720 -> 01:01:18.960] End of rep. Zero fault of his own, I don't know. Ding ding, here we go. And Matt's on that side as well, sweet. Okay, Alex, this is the listening phase for you. Okay, here we go. If I'm completely
[01:01:18.960 -> 01:01:22.400] honest, I understand where the whinge came from. Every driver that's been titled has come on the
[01:01:22.400 -> 01:01:27.040] radio, have a little bit of a complaint and go, oh guys, what happened? Like, come on, we were meant to do really well
[01:01:27.040 -> 01:01:32.720] today and now I'm really not doing well. In my opinion though, it was a case of, okay, right now,
[01:01:32.720 -> 01:01:37.760] time to get your head down and get on with it. You can't blame strategy for everything. And
[01:01:37.760 -> 01:01:42.560] unfortunately, there didn't seem to be a lot of fight in Russell in this race today until, like I
[01:01:42.560 -> 01:01:46.960] said, the end after the red flag where he was giving a
[01:01:46.960 -> 01:01:52.960] little bit until the puncture. As for the context within, across the rest of the season, I do think
[01:01:52.960 -> 01:01:57.360] George has proven himself to be a fantastic driver, you know, no doubt, and he's doing well
[01:01:57.360 -> 01:02:02.560] in the Mercedes, but I haven't been wowed by his performances in the way that I was expecting to be
[01:02:03.120 -> 01:02:05.200] once he got plonked in that Mercedes,
[01:02:05.200 -> 01:02:09.840] to be honest. I think over the course of the season he's done some good performances,
[01:02:10.400 -> 01:02:16.080] proven himself to be quite reliable, but at the end of the day, going back to his radio message,
[01:02:16.080 -> 01:02:25.280] you can't come on the radio and blame everything on strategy and unfortunately he just wasn't there for that. No, Alex, no, you have to wait. Matt first.
[01:02:26.480 -> 01:02:34.080] Well, hard tyre, split strategy, Mercedes. That's the easy one. Just sometimes you're
[01:02:34.080 -> 01:02:39.840] the person who gets the other side of the split strategy. And they might have even sold it to him,
[01:02:39.840 -> 01:02:44.320] because we certainly heard Mike Caulfield talking about how you could tell the driver,
[01:02:44.320 -> 01:02:47.100] oh, well, one out of 10 million times, this strategy wins you the
[01:02:47.100 -> 01:02:49.000] race and yeah, yeah, that's the one I want.
[01:02:49.000 -> 01:02:50.240] They just hear, oh, that'll work.
[01:02:50.240 -> 01:02:50.540] Will it?
[01:02:51.400 -> 01:02:52.000] Exactly.
[01:02:52.300 -> 01:02:53.080] It could have been that.
[01:02:53.100 -> 01:02:53.580] I don't know.
[01:02:53.580 -> 01:02:55.720] Or if they just said, well, this is where they are on track.
[01:02:55.720 -> 01:02:56.840] So Russell gets the strategy.
[01:02:56.840 -> 01:02:57.540] Doesn't matter.
[01:02:58.040 -> 01:03:01.400] They did mess him about a bit because they should have split
[01:03:01.400 -> 01:03:03.080] the strategy with Mercedes.
[01:03:03.380 -> 01:03:07.820] But had they done that, likely it was Hamilton on the medium tire that would have gotten
[01:03:07.820 -> 01:03:10.380] the come in now call.
[01:03:10.380 -> 01:03:15.300] And Russell would have been the stick it out call, which also would have cost him.
[01:03:15.300 -> 01:03:19.420] But I think everyone's gone to a lot of trouble here as far as Russell's concerned, because
[01:03:19.420 -> 01:03:23.420] when I look at our whose fault is it board, I see Sunoda and Russell, and I see Norris
[01:03:23.420 -> 01:03:29.760] and Russell, and I see Leclerc and Norris. And the two people who feature twice there are Norris and Russell. So, I mean,
[01:03:29.760 -> 01:03:35.760] how is that not in some way, shape, or form, Russell's problem for being so, what do you call
[01:03:35.760 -> 01:03:49.040] it, argy-bargy with his driving? Oh, Alex. Okay, unleash. Okay, so first of all, I've got to wait because it's, you know, he can absolutely blame
[01:03:49.040 -> 01:03:54.960] the strategy. Him, Lewis, too fair. Anyone who was left out to hang in those first couple of
[01:03:55.600 -> 01:04:01.040] stages, unless they said, no, I want to stay out, which I think only Lando did.
[01:04:02.000 -> 01:04:03.920] And Verstappen did as well.
[01:04:09.520 -> 01:04:15.280] Lelando did. And Verstappen did as well. Verstappen's on a different stratosphere at the moment when it comes to this kind of stuff and it's not even worth talking about. And George had his head down
[01:04:15.280 -> 01:04:20.000] today, as in got his head down and got on with the job. He dealt with it after there was wind,
[01:04:20.000 -> 01:04:24.240] he had his wind, he was allowed to have that as far as I'm concerned, not these two boring people,
[01:04:24.640 -> 01:04:29.360] he had his wins, he was allowed to have that as far as I'm concerned, not these two boring people, um and uh then just got on with it. They gave him the hard tyre which as I said
[01:04:29.360 -> 01:04:35.280] would have should have been um a concern to a lot of people and then as everyone started to pit
[01:04:35.280 -> 01:04:41.280] from their soft tyres he came alive on the hards. He overtook a bunch of people and he just kept
[01:04:41.280 -> 01:04:45.600] moving forward and before we knew it he was up inside the top 10 which I wasn't
[01:04:45.600 -> 01:04:52.240] expecting to ever see him in that race. That shows a real class and just a determination of making a
[01:04:52.240 -> 01:04:57.840] strategy work and he really redid. Okay when you're coming through the field at that rate of pace
[01:04:57.840 -> 01:05:03.440] you're gonna get close to people and you know he had a little bit of contact a couple of times
[01:05:03.440 -> 01:05:11.360] but I still don't think that that tarnished what was actually a really great day despite the first 20 laps of the
[01:05:11.360 -> 01:05:12.360] race.
[01:05:12.360 -> 01:05:16.600] But just a short point, isn't it a driver's job to make the strategy work? Are we not
[01:05:16.600 -> 01:05:17.600] breaking the bowl a bit for compliments here?
[01:05:17.600 -> 01:05:22.680] No, that's the name of the, that's the one who has the strategy. That's their job.
[01:05:22.680 -> 01:05:25.480] If he's put out in a position on the grid, what's he meant to do?
[01:05:25.480 -> 01:05:27.300] Go, oh, I don't like it here.
[01:05:27.300 -> 01:05:28.300] Go away, everyone.
[01:05:28.300 -> 01:05:29.300] You know?
[01:05:29.300 -> 01:05:34.520] I think what Russell's drive on the hard tire shows is like the pit delta at Zandvoort
[01:05:34.520 -> 01:05:35.900] was about 26 seconds.
[01:05:35.900 -> 01:05:39.580] So if you keep on driving and everybody else stops to put on different tires, then you
[01:05:39.580 -> 01:05:41.080] wind up ahead of them.
[01:05:41.080 -> 01:05:42.080] Yeah.
[01:05:42.080 -> 01:05:46.160] But he certainly wasn't staying there when the fresher tired people caught up to
[01:05:46.160 -> 01:05:51.520] him. That would have been extremely impressive. But it also shows that Mercedes strategy wasn't
[01:05:51.520 -> 01:05:57.440] that far off base. Another five minutes that rain shows up and then he wins because he's done one
[01:05:57.440 -> 01:06:05.360] less pit stop. So it wasn't a terrible strategy. The initial not stopping him, yes, point taken.
[01:06:05.360 -> 01:06:09.600] But the secondary strategy wasn't terrible, it just didn't win.
[01:06:09.600 -> 01:06:11.800] ALICE Not terrible, but I do feel like it was...
[01:06:11.800 -> 01:06:12.800] SEAN I didn't say it was bad.
[01:06:12.800 -> 01:06:14.960] ALICE I feel like it was a roll of the dice.
[01:06:14.960 -> 01:06:15.960] Like it was a gambly one.
[01:06:15.960 -> 01:06:16.960] SEAN It was!
[01:06:16.960 -> 01:06:18.520] A hundred, because they didn't know what was gonna happen.
[01:06:18.520 -> 01:06:21.160] SEAN I said, by the way, with the hard tyre, I will
[01:06:21.160 -> 01:06:25.760] let you talk into it in a second, Antonia, what I said about the hard tyre was I thought it you talk into the second Antonio, what I said about the hard tyre
[01:06:25.760 -> 01:06:30.800] was I thought it was bad at first. That's the thing that I'm not... I think it was, I think it was bad.
[01:06:30.800 -> 01:06:36.080] And I think it worked out for him because they played the long game and worked on his pace.
[01:06:36.080 -> 01:06:40.560] The problem was for the first seven, eight laps of that stint, he didn't have any pace,
[01:06:40.560 -> 01:06:48.200] it was a second and a half a lap off Lewis and I was like, oh my god, this is horrific. And then all of a sudden I was watching it and listen, I'm a fan. So
[01:06:48.200 -> 01:06:51.600] I'm watching his times and I'm watching it. I'm watching and I'm watching and he's getting
[01:06:51.600 -> 01:06:56.440] quicker and quicker and quicker. And all of a sudden he was there. Um, and if he'd made
[01:06:56.440 -> 01:06:59.920] the pits, if the rain hadn't come, he'd have made a pit stop late. He'd have been on fresh
[01:06:59.920 -> 01:07:04.040] soft tires compared to everyone's much older, soft tires. I would have been able to make
[01:07:04.040 -> 01:07:08.680] moves because you could overtake today, which was great. I mean, last couple of seasons,
[01:07:08.680 -> 01:07:13.680] I don't remember this race being much of an overtaking circuit and we had great racing
[01:07:13.680 -> 01:07:14.680] today.
[01:07:14.680 -> 01:07:17.240] So Alex, are you done silencing Antonia now? May she speak?
[01:07:17.240 -> 01:07:18.240] Yes, I'm sorry.
[01:07:18.240 -> 01:07:24.640] No, I was, to be honest, I'm kind of agreeing with both yourself and Trumpets here. They
[01:07:24.640 -> 01:07:27.800] could have just left him out. but as we saw with Williams,
[01:07:27.800 -> 01:07:30.400] that didn't necessarily do a lot of good.
[01:07:30.400 -> 01:07:33.800] And Williams, not being funny, they did the best that they could
[01:07:33.800 -> 01:07:35.800] across the weekend to maximize their chances.
[01:07:35.800 -> 01:07:39.400] I mean, their performance in qualifying yesterday was extraordinary.
[01:07:39.400 -> 01:07:43.800] They did so well and until Sargent crashed out quite early on in the race,
[01:07:43.800 -> 01:07:44.800] they were doing really well.
[01:07:44.800 -> 01:07:50.160] Okay, let's do it. It's Williams time and they deserve a bumper, Matt.
[01:07:50.160 -> 01:07:58.320] This is a whole thing, Matt. Let's talk about Williams because I'm a Williams fan from the
[01:07:58.320 -> 01:08:03.320] olden days, from the before time, from the long, long ago, from active suspension.
[01:08:03.320 -> 01:08:06.240] And that has a dancing car. The dancing car.
[01:08:06.240 -> 01:08:08.400] Coulthard, Hill, Senna.
[01:08:08.400 -> 01:08:10.160] I'm a massive Williams fan.
[01:08:10.160 -> 01:08:14.640] However, that is probably why I'm a little bit sensitive to any Williams hype.
[01:08:14.640 -> 01:08:16.000] Because as soon as people go,
[01:08:16.000 -> 01:08:19.920] they did super good in FP1 briefly.
[01:08:19.920 -> 01:08:25.600] I'm like, no, I've been hurt for too long to buy into Friday hype.
[01:08:25.600 -> 01:08:26.600] You stop it.
[01:08:26.600 -> 01:08:28.920] You don't toy with my heart, mister.
[01:08:28.920 -> 01:08:37.880] So there has been such a feeling of like well-wishing for Williams, almost like all of F1, no one
[01:08:37.880 -> 01:08:41.480] would begrudge Williams suddenly rising to the top.
[01:08:41.480 -> 01:08:46.080] And that has led to a lot of overzealous praise of Friday performances
[01:08:46.080 -> 01:08:51.200] when they tend to kind of run a little bit of a lower wing, sorry, a little bit of a,
[01:08:51.200 -> 01:08:53.200] you know, closer to their ultimate pace.
[01:08:53.200 -> 01:08:57.760] Yeah, closer to their ultimate pace. They're not trying to hide anything. And they're more
[01:08:57.760 -> 01:09:03.760] skewed towards a hot lap. So the headline times look a little better relative to other people.
[01:09:03.760 -> 01:09:11.540] So people get carried away when they have a good Friday. But this weekend, whilst I still believe that like the ultimate
[01:09:11.540 -> 01:09:17.800] pace puts them as still the seventh best race car, which is pretty good. They're ahead of
[01:09:17.800 -> 01:09:18.800] the...
[01:09:18.800 -> 01:09:19.800] It's better than they've been for a long time.
[01:09:19.800 -> 01:09:24.280] Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they're ahead of Sauber and what's it? The Ferrari customers.
[01:09:24.280 -> 01:09:29.920] Alfa Tauri. And they're ahead of Alfa Tauri. So they're ahead of Sauber, Haas, Alfa Tauri. So the seventh,
[01:09:29.920 -> 01:09:36.800] probably. Whereas look at what the seventh best team did, which was basically hold court for all
[01:09:36.800 -> 01:09:42.000] of Saturday and made the whole of the F1 world stand up and talk about Williams. Like their
[01:09:42.000 -> 01:09:43.760] Saturday, Matt, was phenomenal.
[01:09:43.760 -> 01:09:44.320] stand up and talk about Williams. Like their Saturday, Matt, was phenomenal.
[01:09:51.360 -> 01:09:57.680] It was. And this isn't really a surprise. The thing that Williams has had going for this entire season is that they have a very predictable and well-balanced platform. And,
[01:09:58.560 -> 01:10:05.520] like Red Bull, they are good with the rear of the car at high speed.
[01:10:05.520 -> 01:10:13.040] They don't have as much downforce, but the overall balance through the corner is quite predictable, making it a drivable car.
[01:10:13.040 -> 01:10:25.740] The reason you see them doing well on Friday, and I know the idea of glory runs is an absolute thing for the sponsors, but the reality of Williams is because they don't have the same level
[01:10:25.740 -> 01:10:30.420] of downforce as say a Red Bull, they can't manage their tires as well.
[01:10:30.420 -> 01:10:37.580] So their key to any good weekend is qualify as far up as possible and then lose as few
[01:10:37.580 -> 01:10:40.940] places as possible during the race.
[01:10:40.940 -> 01:10:46.480] So naturally they put the emphasis on how fast can we go over a single lap.
[01:10:46.480 -> 01:10:53.480] That leads to these headliner times on Fridays that makes it look like they're just running
[01:10:53.480 -> 01:10:53.840] for glory.
[01:10:53.840 -> 01:10:57.800] But I believe there's a well thought out strategy behind it.
[01:10:57.800 -> 01:11:03.960] And this weekend at this track with these track temperatures and with the upgrades they brought,
[01:11:03.960 -> 01:11:05.840] it was the perfect
[01:11:06.400 -> 01:11:14.320] mix for them. In fact, until they didn't pit lap 60, I would have put Albin on absolutely for a P6
[01:11:14.320 -> 01:11:22.160] overall. And that was the one thing that they missed. They got lucky in an ironic fashion
[01:11:22.880 -> 01:11:26.720] that Sargent had the hydraulic failure that brought out the first
[01:11:26.720 -> 01:11:32.800] safety car and negated all the time that alvin lost staying on the soft tires but to make up
[01:11:32.800 -> 01:11:40.240] for it even didn't pit at all until everybody made their second pit stop he made those softs last and
[01:11:40.240 -> 01:11:47.280] that's not something we're used to seeing william at all. And it gives me a real optimism about them going forward.
[01:11:47.280 -> 01:11:49.440] Kind of this season, I think Mons will be good for them,
[01:11:49.440 -> 01:11:54.720] but especially into next season, I'm very curious to see what they're bringing to the table.
[01:11:54.720 -> 01:11:59.280] I completely agree. I think next season, we are really going to see a big change at Williams.
[01:11:59.280 -> 01:12:02.320] And I have to say, I'm loving what James Viles has done for the team.
[01:12:02.320 -> 01:12:05.280] I think he's come in with a brilliant plan,
[01:12:05.280 -> 01:12:10.000] executed it fantastically, kind of in the way that we were all hoping would happen over at Ferrari,
[01:12:11.040 -> 01:12:16.720] and it hasn't since Bignotto left. But they've said they're kind of pausing their development
[01:12:16.720 -> 01:12:21.600] plan for this season. They're not going to push it too much. They're going to focus now on 2024.
[01:12:21.600 -> 01:12:25.040] So if they're putting in these kind of performances now with no major upgrades,
[01:12:25.040 -> 01:12:30.800] nothing too crazy, I'm so excited to see what they do going into next season. And I think with the
[01:12:30.800 -> 01:12:34.400] drivers they've got, there's huge scope for improvement there. I do think Sargent has a
[01:12:34.400 -> 01:12:39.120] little bit of a way to go. There are just small things like today do show his inexperience,
[01:12:39.120 -> 01:12:40.880] but to be forgiving to him...
[01:12:40.880 -> 01:12:41.380] Hang on.
[01:12:42.560 -> 01:12:43.760] No, I'm absolutely not.
[01:12:43.760 -> 01:12:48.800] Wait, wait, wait. You've got to let her finish. You you got to let her finish, let her cook. That's
[01:12:48.800 -> 01:12:53.280] what I'm here to say. Okay, all right. But you know, I do think Sargent, like I said, he's got
[01:12:53.280 -> 01:12:57.680] a few little things that just need to be teased out through experience. And don't get me wrong,
[01:12:57.680 -> 01:13:01.200] it's getting towards the end of the season. I would like to see a few less mistakes from him,
[01:13:01.200 -> 01:13:05.800] but with how it's going at Williams, I'm so excited for 2024.
[01:13:05.800 -> 01:13:10.240] I do genuinely, genuinely think, given the way that they're going now, they could be
[01:13:10.240 -> 01:13:12.560] pushing for podiums next year. Easily.
[01:13:12.560 -> 01:13:16.640] Oh, right. What did you take offense at?
[01:13:16.640 -> 01:13:23.840] I took offense at today, because Sargent's crash today was entirely a car failure, not
[01:13:23.840 -> 01:13:28.720] a driver error. Yesterday, we'll admit, you
[01:13:28.720 -> 01:13:32.960] have an absolute point. Yesterday, even though he made Q3 for the first time, and that's
[01:13:32.960 -> 01:13:38.120] a step forward, he could have finished fifth or sixth, maybe, if he'd not put it in the
[01:13:38.120 -> 01:13:39.120] wall.
[01:13:39.120 -> 01:13:43.280] Well, there we go. There's a lot of Sargent putting it in the wall. That's mainly where
[01:13:43.280 -> 01:13:50.320] we hear about Logan Sargent. Can I just read the tweet from Chris Medland? James Vowles confirms Logan Sargent lost hydraulic
[01:13:50.320 -> 01:13:54.320] pressure before his crash, meaning no power steering, and he just sailed wide. Says it's
[01:13:54.320 -> 01:14:00.720] down to the team to rally around him and pick him up for Monza as it wasn't his error. So,
[01:14:01.600 -> 01:14:02.800] on face value...
[01:14:02.800 -> 01:14:04.160] Does this mean I have to now backtrack?
[01:14:04.160 -> 01:14:10.960] No, no. Well, hang on, hang on. On face value, we take James Valzer's word and you go, okay,
[01:14:10.960 -> 01:14:16.720] there was a hydraulic error. And I think if we'd have said, if that had happened to signs,
[01:14:16.720 -> 01:14:22.340] if that had happened to Russell, if that had happened to Bottas, I think there wouldn't
[01:14:22.340 -> 01:14:26.560] be a hint of question. However, Logan Sargent puts it in the
[01:14:26.560 -> 01:14:31.680] wall an awful lot. I don't think it's unreasonable to go, well there's a chance that was just James
[01:14:31.680 -> 01:14:37.600] Vowles being a bit of good top cover, but in any case Logan Sargent is still putting it in the wall
[01:14:38.240 -> 01:14:43.120] far far far too often at this stage. Right, there's a cue, there's a cue here. Van Gene,
[01:14:43.120 -> 01:14:45.840] Van Gene, and then Antonio.
[01:14:49.600 -> 01:14:51.120] If you have a hydraulic failure and your steering goes heavy or whatever, or whatever it was,
[01:14:56.240 -> 01:14:58.880] you know that's the problem. And you run straight back to the garage to tell them that. Yeah, my steering wouldn't turn, it wouldn't turn.
[01:14:58.880 -> 01:15:07.120] You don't sit sulking at the side of the track for the entire race. You do that when you've made a boo-boo,
[01:15:07.120 -> 01:15:11.520] or you're Fernando Alonso and you're just peed off at the whole situation, but he's not Fernando
[01:15:11.520 -> 01:15:18.160] Alonso and doesn't have that kind of clout. He did a Kimi Raikkonen in Monaco, didn't want to go back
[01:15:18.160 -> 01:15:27.080] to the garage and went to his boat, but his boat was aawningning in the rain, watching the other cars go round going, Oh crap, I've ruined this for myself.
[01:15:27.320 -> 01:15:27.820] Rankin?
[01:15:28.360 -> 01:15:29.520] I completely agree.
[01:15:29.520 -> 01:15:31.080] It could have happened to Verstappen.
[01:15:31.080 -> 01:15:33.520] It could have happened to Perez or Lewis, but it didn't.
[01:15:33.980 -> 01:15:35.580] That's, that's the bottom line.
[01:15:35.600 -> 01:15:37.660] It didn't, it happened to Sargent.
[01:15:37.680 -> 01:15:40.960] And again, I'm not going to be hard on him because I do think he has the
[01:15:40.960 -> 01:15:43.640] potential to be a really, really fantastic driver for Williams.
[01:15:43.640 -> 01:15:45.480] And I, I really like the guy. I think he's, I think he has the potential to be a really, really fantastic driver for Williams. And I, I really like the guy.
[01:15:45.520 -> 01:15:47.120] I think he's, I think he's great.
[01:15:47.500 -> 01:15:52.260] But as Van Geen said, you don't then sit on a little deck chair by the race or, you
[01:15:52.260 -> 01:15:56.640] know, sat on the grass going, Oh no, I don't want to go home.
[01:15:56.640 -> 01:15:57.880] I'm going to get told off.
[01:15:58.200 -> 01:16:00.160] I can't remember what circuit it was at.
[01:16:01.360 -> 01:16:05.800] Imola perhaps, Charles Leclerc made a mistake and it was, in my opinion, it was
[01:16:05.800 -> 01:16:11.380] a very clear Charles Leclerc mistake and Ferrari then came out and said, well, and they said
[01:16:11.380 -> 01:16:16.720] it was an issue with the car. It wasn't his fault. And everyone went, yeah, it's not uncommon.
[01:16:16.720 -> 01:16:21.720] It wouldn't be a weird thing. And in fact, it would be good management of James Vowles
[01:16:21.720 -> 01:16:26.400] to provide a bit of top cover for his driver. That's not a crazy conspiracy theory.
[01:16:26.400 -> 01:16:27.400] Sorry, Antony.
[01:16:27.400 -> 01:16:28.400] Yeah, it is.
[01:16:28.400 -> 01:16:32.200] But the thing is, I think the reason that they've come out and done that is they've
[01:16:32.200 -> 01:16:37.200] noticed that Sargent doesn't perhaps have the support that they were hoping he would.
[01:16:37.200 -> 01:16:42.360] Bearing in mind he's the only North American driver on the grid, I bet they were hoping
[01:16:42.360 -> 01:16:45.360] with him coming in, he would have an army of support.
[01:16:45.360 -> 01:16:50.280] I mean Trumpets is shaking his head. I mean, you know, he dreams about Ocon, not Sargent.
[01:16:50.280 -> 01:16:56.160] But that, you know, I think they were hoping that Sargent would have a bunch of support
[01:16:56.160 -> 01:16:59.680] that he unfortunately doesn't. And he's early in his career. He has more than enough time
[01:16:59.680 -> 01:17:05.760] to garner that support. But I think maybe they're looking at contracts for him longer term, or they've
[01:17:05.760 -> 01:17:10.080] got plans with him where they need people to support him and they don't want him to
[01:17:10.080 -> 01:17:14.280] be seen as that guy who ends up in the wall. They don't want another Nicholas Latifi. They've
[01:17:14.280 -> 01:17:15.280] had one of those.
[01:17:15.280 -> 01:17:18.160] They might have another. Matt?
[01:17:18.160 -> 01:17:23.960] It's pretty simple. After the crash, he says something on the car failed. I hit the curb.
[01:17:23.960 -> 01:17:30.960] And then Valis comes out and says, yep, that we had, he hit this curb four or five times, he was using it in the race, and
[01:17:30.960 -> 01:17:35.960] the fifth time he hit it, we lost all hydraulics in the car, which meant that immediately for
[01:17:35.960 -> 01:17:41.280] that next turn, he had no steering assist whatsoever, and he crashed.
[01:17:41.280 -> 01:17:44.800] And that's an issue for the team to understand and fix.
[01:17:44.800 -> 01:17:46.860] So I appreciate we're
[01:17:46.860 -> 01:17:54.140] trying to make a mountain out of this particular mold hill. But in the, as far as today's race
[01:17:54.140 -> 01:18:00.460] is concerned, it all, there's a consistency between what the driver reported and what
[01:18:00.460 -> 01:18:06.960] the team reported. So to me, there's nothing in it. His loss today, as I said,
[01:18:06.960 -> 01:18:11.200] I don't believe is driver error and I don't believe anyone with any sense would believe
[01:18:11.200 -> 01:18:16.720] it was driver error today. You may have a point, except for I would probably go back and count up
[01:18:16.720 -> 01:18:22.080] how many other people went off yesterday in qualifying. And today, and today, and today.
[01:18:22.960 -> 01:18:26.800] Rather a lot of them. So I'm inclined to give him a pass now.
[01:18:26.800 -> 01:18:32.800] No, Matt, Occam's razor agrees with you because that is the simplest, most straightforward explanation.
[01:18:32.800 -> 01:18:34.560] Sorry for being boring over here.
[01:18:34.560 -> 01:18:38.960] It's just, driver who puts it in the wall a lot puts it in the wall and then,
[01:18:38.960 -> 01:18:41.280] oh no, but it wasn't that, it was something else.
[01:18:41.280 -> 01:18:44.000] I don't think people can be blamed for having a little thing.
[01:18:44.000 -> 01:18:44.960] Alex, last one on that.
[01:18:45.520 -> 01:18:53.800] Yeah, I'm not going to argue with Matt. I think it's fair. I just want to cover off
[01:18:53.800 -> 01:19:06.880] a comment in the chat from Martin Bainon, which people were 100% thinking, which is just because the power steering went doesn't mean he shouldn't be
[01:19:06.880 -> 01:19:13.680] able to steal the car. Now, people moan a lot about f1 cars having power steering and no other ones do
[01:19:13.680 -> 01:19:17.760] the reason f1 cars have power steering is because of the amount of downforce they generate and
[01:19:17.760 -> 01:19:26.240] because of how big the tires are. It's not feasible for someone to be as small as F1 drivers have to be to fit in F1 cars and
[01:19:26.240 -> 01:19:31.520] still be able to muscle those things around for 70 laps, two hours with that kind of thing.
[01:19:31.520 -> 01:19:36.080] And also, if all of a sudden you are used to turning a wheel with a particular amount
[01:19:36.080 -> 01:19:41.280] of force, and then all of a sudden it goes away from you when you're in the middle of
[01:19:41.280 -> 01:19:42.280] a fast corner.
[01:19:42.280 -> 01:19:44.400] You need seven times the amount of force to make the same turn.
[01:19:44.400 -> 01:19:45.640] Exactly. When you're going through a middle of a corner and all of a sudden you lose all of that, you're not turning in the middle of a fast corner. Joey Yeah, you need seven times the amount of force to make the same turn. Adam Exactly, where you're going through the
[01:19:45.640 -> 01:19:49.200] middle of a corner and all of a sudden you lose all of that, you're not turning in for
[01:19:49.200 -> 01:19:50.840] the corner, you are going straight to the wall.
[01:19:50.840 -> 01:19:53.080] Rishad Maybe all of his crashes have been hydraulic
[01:19:53.080 -> 01:19:54.080] failures.
[01:19:54.080 -> 01:19:57.800] Adam The reason I talk about, I don't necessarily
[01:19:57.800 -> 01:20:03.440] believe the defence, is because you don't sit, if it's not your fault, when you've been
[01:20:03.440 -> 01:20:07.200] crashing a lot, you want to get back and go, it wasn't my fault, it wasn't sit... if you, if it's not your fault when you've been crashing a lot... You just walk back. You want to get, you want to get back and go,
[01:20:07.200 -> 01:20:10.640] it wasn't my fault, it wasn't my fault, you want to go and defend yourself.
[01:20:10.640 -> 01:20:12.000] Oh Alex, wait...
[01:20:12.000 -> 01:20:13.680] He sat there sulking like someone who made a mistake.
[01:20:13.680 -> 01:20:18.320] He could just have been sad that he was enjoying the race car race and the race car race was
[01:20:18.320 -> 01:20:18.720] finished.
[01:20:18.720 -> 01:20:21.440] What position was he in when he crashed? I don't remember.
[01:20:21.440 -> 01:20:23.600] Sort of stroll type region.
[01:20:23.600 -> 01:20:24.480] Well...
[01:20:24.480 -> 01:20:26.000] Was he on for points?
[01:20:26.000 -> 01:20:30.280] JUSTIN With him crashing and getting the...
[01:20:30.280 -> 01:20:33.880] So Williams left both drivers out.
[01:20:33.880 -> 01:20:38.280] So no safety car, neither Albin nor he is in the points.
[01:20:38.280 -> 01:20:47.320] But if you give him the same safety car redemption that Albon got, then yeah, points. Uh, oh, quickly, uh, Stroll was mentioned there.
[01:20:47.600 -> 01:20:52.160] Was there any explanation for Stroll being so far back with his teammate in P2?
[01:20:52.800 -> 01:20:53.840] He's rubbish and not good enough for the P4.
[01:20:53.840 -> 01:20:55.720] Oh, Alex, no, we meant an exclusion.
[01:20:55.720 -> 01:20:56.400] Get out of my sport.
[01:20:56.680 -> 01:20:58.320] Oh, but yeah.
[01:20:58.880 -> 01:21:00.040] A split strategy.
[01:21:00.200 -> 01:21:02.560] They put him on the medium tire at the safety car.
[01:21:03.080 -> 01:21:03.280] No.
[01:21:03.280 -> 01:21:09.120] And the medium tire wasn't the tire to be on. And even at that, he still wound up 11th.
[01:21:09.120 -> 01:21:09.840] So, you know.
[01:21:09.840 -> 01:21:10.640] Okay.
[01:21:10.640 -> 01:21:11.280] No, that's fine.
[01:21:11.280 -> 01:21:14.560] Actually, when I was speaking on the ring earlier, I was trying to think.
[01:21:14.560 -> 01:21:18.160] I knew that one person had then gone onto the medium and it didn't work.
[01:21:18.160 -> 01:21:19.440] And I couldn't remember who it was.
[01:21:19.440 -> 01:21:20.960] And it was Lance Stroll.
[01:21:20.960 -> 01:21:21.680] So, was it?
[01:21:21.680 -> 01:21:23.200] How many people went to the medium?
[01:21:23.200 -> 01:21:24.320] Would you like to know who it was?
[01:21:24.320 -> 01:21:27.040] Because this is what I spend all my time doing instead of-
[01:21:27.040 -> 01:21:29.680] Well, we may as well have it. So who went to the medium incorrectly?
[01:21:32.640 -> 01:21:35.920] Oh, if you didn't have it to hands, you've over-promised and under-delivered.
[01:21:35.920 -> 01:21:38.720] Botas, Hulkenberg, Lawson, Stroll, and Joe.
[01:21:38.720 -> 01:21:39.680] Oh, okay. Fair enough.
[01:21:39.680 -> 01:21:44.240] And all but Joe went to that at the safety car. Joe was put on the mediums earlier,
[01:21:44.240 -> 01:21:47.480] which was really inexplicable unless he'd somehow
[01:21:47.480 -> 01:21:51.280] accidentally ruined all his softs in a industrial accident or something.
[01:21:52.920 -> 01:21:54.560] Okay, Antonia, you were trying to get in there.
[01:21:55.160 -> 01:21:56.240] Oh, sorry, was I?
[01:21:56.280 -> 01:21:57.120] I think it was Stroll.
[01:21:57.240 -> 01:21:58.320] I think we were still on Stroll.
[01:21:58.880 -> 01:22:03.040] Oh yeah, no, with Stroll, I actually think he had a pretty decent race, given that he
[01:22:03.040 -> 01:22:06.080] was on the alternate strategy, which was the suboptimal strategy, I actually think he had a pretty decent race, given that he was on the alternate
[01:22:06.080 -> 01:22:11.440] strategy, which was the sub-optimal strategy, I actually think, to recover to 11th. But he
[01:22:11.440 -> 01:22:15.920] actually put in a pretty good performance. Don't get me wrong, he wasn't pushing for positions
[01:22:15.920 -> 01:22:20.400] at the top of the grid, but he also wasn't in make of trouble at the bottom and he just kept
[01:22:20.400 -> 01:22:23.520] his race ticking on. So, I actually think kudos to him, to be honest.
[01:22:24.240 -> 01:22:28.480] Okay, so look, we're getting towards the end of the show we're moving towards the awards
[01:22:28.480 -> 01:22:36.160] and Matt pointed out that we haven't yet mentioned Ferrari so I'll go to Alex and say hey what about
[01:22:36.160 -> 01:22:39.840] that Verstappen thing where he just shoved the car off track and didn't get penalized?
[01:22:41.360 -> 01:22:47.000] Try again but not on mute. Do you know what it's this new Riverside thing. No that's worse, do it on mute, do it on mute. I prefer it on mute.
[01:22:47.000 -> 01:22:54.000] It's this new Riverside thing. Go back, go back. Anyway, I'm blaming the software. It's the first week on the new software.
[01:22:54.000 -> 01:22:58.000] Hydraulic failure was it, Alex? Yeah, pretty much.
[01:22:58.000 -> 01:23:05.000] It's the old Max Verstappen rules, isn't it?
[01:23:05.080 -> 01:23:07.560] For racing, where it's one rule for him
[01:23:07.560 -> 01:23:09.060] and one rule for everybody else.
[01:23:09.060 -> 01:23:11.080] So for those of you who want a recap of it,
[01:23:11.080 -> 01:23:13.520] he was battling with one of the Alpines,
[01:23:13.520 -> 01:23:16.120] I think it was Ocon, was it Ocon?
[01:23:16.120 -> 01:23:16.960] Gasly.
[01:23:16.960 -> 01:23:17.780] Gasly, sorry.
[01:23:17.780 -> 01:23:18.920] It was the good one.
[01:23:18.920 -> 01:23:19.880] I got a 50%.
[01:23:19.880 -> 01:23:22.000] They look pretty much the same, so I can understand.
[01:23:22.000 -> 01:23:24.920] It's the one that's driving forward.
[01:23:24.920 -> 01:23:28.640] He got very, very close to him on multiple occasions, very nearly nicking the rear of
[01:23:28.640 -> 01:23:34.840] his car and then into turn three or the big banked corner, he sent it down the middle
[01:23:34.840 -> 01:23:41.320] like lots of people had been trying to sort of send it down the bottom of the banking
[01:23:41.320 -> 01:23:46.920] and understeered almost completely into the wall and completely and
[01:23:46.920 -> 01:23:52.480] utterly run, ran Gasly out of road to push him over the white lines.
[01:23:52.480 -> 01:23:58.480] Now I've had people on Twitter tell me that it was a block.
[01:23:58.480 -> 01:24:00.720] A block pass, no it's not a block pass.
[01:24:00.720 -> 01:24:03.160] It's not a block pass because that's not how a block pass works.
[01:24:03.160 -> 01:24:05.200] A block pass is more, yeah, go on, you explain.
[01:24:05.200 -> 01:24:05.920] Sorry.
[01:24:05.920 -> 01:24:10.960] A block pass is when you compromise somebody through their exit of the corner
[01:24:10.960 -> 01:24:13.520] while still leaving them room to exist.
[01:24:13.520 -> 01:24:17.520] So you will get them wide, as wide as they can possibly go,
[01:24:17.520 -> 01:24:21.040] and stay in their space where they can't get on the power.
[01:24:21.040 -> 01:24:22.320] That's a block pass.
[01:24:22.320 -> 01:24:24.880] Running somebody off the track is not a block pass.
[01:24:24.880 -> 01:24:26.160] And I'm never going to be okay with it. get on the power. That's a block pass. Running somebody off the track is not a block pass.
[01:24:29.120 -> 01:24:34.560] And I'm never going to be okay with it. And obviously people will come back and say, oh, Lewis at USA. Yeah, we called him on it. Yeah. Lewis at Canada against Rosberg. We called
[01:24:34.560 -> 01:24:39.760] him on it. Watch that show, whatever it was against Nico Rosberg back in the 14, 15, whatever
[01:24:39.760 -> 01:24:48.640] it was. We told him off for shoving Nico off the circuit all the time. The amount of times we said, Nico, just stay there, watch him hit you,
[01:24:49.280 -> 01:24:54.800] and he will get penalized for it. Which is actually what we said to Lewis all the way through 2021.
[01:24:54.800 -> 01:24:55.600] Yeah, just hold it.
[01:24:55.600 -> 01:24:57.520] Let him hit you.
[01:24:57.520 -> 01:25:01.040] Yeah, you've got to do it once or twice and let the stewards make a call on it.
[01:25:01.600 -> 01:25:05.640] Yeah, and apparently it happened in the F2 race in the exact same fashion, but because
[01:25:05.640 -> 01:25:09.400] there was contact, that's why it was penalized.
[01:25:09.400 -> 01:25:13.120] And the contact caused the other driver to retire from the race.
[01:25:13.120 -> 01:25:19.680] And this is where the stewards are penalizing the consequence rather than the action.
[01:25:19.680 -> 01:25:21.920] Sorry, Matt, get in there.
[01:25:21.920 -> 01:25:27.800] I was just going to say, show me the contact. You say he got shoved off the track.
[01:25:27.800 -> 01:25:30.160] There's very little room off track there.
[01:25:30.160 -> 01:25:31.160] Did he hit the wall?
[01:25:31.160 -> 01:25:32.160] No, no, no, no, no.
[01:25:32.160 -> 01:25:33.160] There is room.
[01:25:33.160 -> 01:25:34.160] There is room, Matt.
[01:25:34.160 -> 01:25:36.040] There is room to be off track and not in the wall.
[01:25:36.040 -> 01:25:37.040] Did he hit the wall?
[01:25:37.040 -> 01:25:38.040] No.
[01:25:38.040 -> 01:25:39.040] Did he hit the track?
[01:25:39.040 -> 01:25:40.040] He got run off track.
[01:25:40.040 -> 01:25:41.040] Did he carry on?
[01:25:41.040 -> 01:25:42.040] Yes.
[01:25:42.040 -> 01:25:44.480] If you want a penalty, he needed to have all those lines there.
[01:25:44.480 -> 01:25:48.320] I think the rules are clear now, though, that if you're alongside, I think that he
[01:25:48.320 -> 01:25:51.120] was entitled to be allowed room to stay on the track.
[01:25:51.120 -> 01:25:54.440] I don't really think there's any doubt in the way the rules have been detailed thus
[01:25:54.440 -> 01:25:55.440] far.
[01:25:55.440 -> 01:25:56.440] Antonia?
[01:25:56.440 -> 01:26:00.320] No, I actually, I think it's a really interesting point, actually penalising the consequence,
[01:26:00.320 -> 01:26:05.760] not the actual action, because I don't think, for example, Pérez coming into the pits a little bit
[01:26:05.760 -> 01:26:09.920] too quickly, I think that would have been written off as aquaplaning had he not made contact with
[01:26:09.920 -> 01:26:14.800] the pit wall on entry. I think that would have completely slipped under the radar. So no,
[01:26:14.800 -> 01:26:20.000] and I think generally speaking, there is a little bit of that in F1 with the FIA where there's a lot
[01:26:20.000 -> 01:26:25.200] of, oh, there's a consequence, let's react to that rather than enforcing a constant standard.
[01:26:25.200 -> 01:26:31.280] Okay, but Alex, I think Matt's point is essentially that if a driver gets out of the way,
[01:26:31.280 -> 01:26:36.000] he's sort of given up the corner. Like he didn't have to give up the corner, I think is Matt's
[01:26:36.000 -> 01:26:36.560] point.
[01:26:36.560 -> 01:26:41.840] Yeah, show me the contact. Like, it's not like Pierre kept his nose in and there was like a
[01:26:41.840 -> 01:26:47.600] dink on a side pod or something like that. He drove off the track and ceded the place to Verstappen.
[01:26:47.600 -> 01:26:48.600] So Gasly is penalized...
[01:26:48.600 -> 01:26:50.360] I wish he was, Austin.
[01:26:50.360 -> 01:26:57.760] So Gasly is penalized for avoiding a crash, which Verstappen said, right, it's going to
[01:26:57.760 -> 01:26:58.760] be a crash now.
[01:26:58.760 -> 01:27:01.200] You know, and everyone lords that with Senna.
[01:27:01.200 -> 01:27:05.480] I mean, he should have done what Russell did at Sunoda and keep him tight, even though
[01:27:05.480 -> 01:27:09.200] Sunoda was on super old tires and there was contact and Sunoda got the penalty.
[01:27:09.200 -> 01:27:11.840] So it seems to be the way the FIA does things.
[01:27:11.840 -> 01:27:17.400] I mean, Gasly, not Gasly, Verstappen puts a lot of faith in other drivers getting out
[01:27:17.400 -> 01:27:22.560] of his way, because if Gasly had held his position, held his ground in that, which again,
[01:27:22.560 -> 01:27:25.040] we keep saying they should, they're absolutely winning
[01:27:25.040 -> 01:27:33.680] the crash, Alonso wins, which also fills me with dread, and he goes in and absolutely
[01:27:33.680 -> 01:27:35.400] annihilates Gasly.
[01:27:35.400 -> 01:27:40.680] That's what happens if Gasly doesn't move, and Gasly's seen it coming, and he's probably
[01:27:40.680 -> 01:27:50.560] gone, I'm not gonna race and beat Verstappen, so I'll get out the way I've got the room. But it's a very very dirty piece of racetrack out there so it would have been very very
[01:27:50.560 -> 01:27:57.360] easy for Gasly to lose it and hit the wall while trying to avoid Max Verstappen. And then Max might
[01:27:57.360 -> 01:28:03.040] have actually got a penalty because he's put him out there and caused the consequence. I think that
[01:28:03.040 -> 01:28:05.120] is so interesting that you've said that because
[01:28:05.120 -> 01:28:11.280] I completely agree Max banks on people being terrified of him because again and this is
[01:28:11.280 -> 01:28:16.080] Red Bull's tactics in my opinion paying off really well where they put Max on this pedestal
[01:28:16.080 -> 01:28:21.760] when no one can beat him so don't even try you know even Gazoo who came in p3 in that race he
[01:28:21.760 -> 01:28:26.320] was the third fastest guy there he's's, he's, well, yeah,
[01:28:26.320 -> 01:28:35.000] yeah, yeah, whatever. There was five. My point being, my point being, um, oh, see, I've lost
[01:28:35.000 -> 01:28:36.800] my train of thought now. Thanks, Matt.
[01:28:36.800 -> 01:28:38.800] I'll rescue you. Go on.
[01:28:38.800 -> 01:28:44.680] But I just think that they're banking on other drivers. You know, if it's why Max in a race
[01:28:44.680 -> 01:28:46.560] where he starts from the bottom of the grid,
[01:28:46.560 -> 01:28:50.480] works his way up so quickly, because how many of those drivers actually race him?
[01:28:51.000 -> 01:28:54.760] How many times does Kevin Magnussen go, actually, let's have a scrap here?
[01:28:55.000 -> 01:28:57.840] No, they don't want to waste their tires against someone who they think that
[01:28:57.840 -> 01:28:59.840] there is no way they'll ever have a battle with.
[01:29:00.000 -> 01:29:01.240] They just let him straight through.
[01:29:01.440 -> 01:29:05.280] So that's why he, after lap one, he's up to P10
[01:29:05.280 -> 01:29:07.240] and everyone's like, oh my goodness, how's he done that?
[01:29:07.240 -> 01:29:10.440] Because they're all bending over, simple.
[01:29:10.440 -> 01:29:12.760] Wow, okay, not the language I'd have used,
[01:29:12.760 -> 01:29:17.000] but we have a similar issue in our iRacing competition,
[01:29:17.000 -> 01:29:19.040] which by the way, the next round is broadcast
[01:29:19.040 -> 01:29:22.200] on the Mist Apex Motorsport channel on Friday.
[01:29:22.200 -> 01:29:25.540] And we don't have Chris on regular commentator or Chris
[01:29:25.540 -> 01:29:30.980] our second commentator so if you want to tune in to listen to me fumbling around calling
[01:29:30.980 -> 01:29:36.060] a race do tune into that. That is on Friday but we've had a similar issue with our reverse
[01:29:36.060 -> 01:29:41.480] grids where people just weren't fighting the defending champion Danny Henney and they were
[01:29:41.480 -> 01:29:49.400] letting them through and I had to kind of email the whole entry list to go, stop just letting him buy on the reverse grid races. You are
[01:29:49.400 -> 01:29:54.200] entitled to fight him for your position on track. And people are just not fighting Verstappen.
[01:29:54.200 -> 01:29:58.560] And it's part of the interviews. George Russell says, OK, he's going to be off on his Sunday
[01:29:58.560 -> 01:30:03.980] drive waving to the crowd, but I'll try and beat Norris. They don't even factor him in.
[01:30:03.980 -> 01:30:05.160] So every single
[01:30:05.160 -> 01:30:10.880] race, Verstappen lines up, P1, and we all hope that someone's going to make a lunge
[01:30:10.880 -> 01:30:16.480] or an attack on lap one, and no one's going to do it except one driver. There's only one
[01:30:16.480 -> 01:30:21.560] driver, despite what he said today, there's only one driver I think is actually up.
[01:30:21.560 -> 01:30:22.560] Lewis.
[01:30:22.560 -> 01:30:23.560] No, it's Alonso.
[01:30:23.560 -> 01:30:24.560] Alonso!
[01:30:24.560 -> 01:30:27.680] Alonso is the only driver who's genuinely up for,
[01:30:27.680 -> 01:30:32.280] yeah, I'll have a scrap, whatever. Yeah, yeah, screw it. I'll have a scrap. Let's go.
[01:30:32.280 -> 01:30:36.280] It's why I wanted a standing start today. Yes, I think that would have been the only
[01:30:36.280 -> 01:30:40.680] chance. Like when it was tweeted about it. Yeah. So with Alonso being P2, Alonso will
[01:30:40.680 -> 01:30:44.240] genuinely like be like, yeah, I'll have a punt. I know he made a joke about not doing
[01:30:44.240 -> 01:30:49.280] that afterwards. But yeah, I think everyone else is doing championship maths and going, no it's not
[01:30:49.280 -> 01:30:55.840] worth it, just let him go. And yeah, so yeah, Verstappen can literally do what he wants and
[01:30:55.840 -> 01:31:02.320] as I said after 2021, everyone should be driving like Verstappen. If you had 20 drivers doing
[01:31:02.320 -> 01:31:05.360] exactly what Verstappen does in those situations,
[01:31:10.240 -> 01:31:14.560] then let's see what the stewards do. Because right now, no one drives as aggressively as Verstappen, and when Verstappen drives that aggressively, people get out of his way. So we don't really
[01:31:14.560 -> 01:31:20.560] know if there would be consistency among these decisions with the stewards. It is not Verstappen's fault.
[01:31:22.080 -> 01:31:47.840] But this is where it pains me to agree with Catman on when he was on here the other week, for season and we've got an amazing season. potentially one of the best seasons but because Max has not
[01:31:47.840 -> 01:31:54.240] only just walked it, he's been ruthless in every single aspect of it and everyone's scared of him.
[01:31:54.240 -> 01:32:00.240] it's kind of like the Senna effect but the difference was back when Senna was doing it
[01:32:00.240 -> 01:32:07.300] there was a bigger chance of death if you decided to crash with it in Senna. There is less of a chance of that these days.
[01:32:07.960 -> 01:32:09.600] And,
[01:32:09.600 -> 01:32:12.080] but they're still just jumping out the way because they want the points,
[01:32:12.080 -> 01:32:14.720] they don't want to be in the wall, they want to finish their races, and
[01:32:15.280 -> 01:32:18.560] you know, I don't like that style of driving.
[01:32:18.560 -> 01:32:23.720] I'm, listen, when it comes to karting or sim racing, I'm one of the hardest people you'll come across.
[01:32:23.720 -> 01:32:27.000] You're a bit of a turnip, to be honest, on the kart track.
[01:32:27.000 -> 01:32:30.760] So yeah, you are really in a very glass house here.
[01:32:30.760 -> 01:32:31.760] Can we go to...
[01:32:31.760 -> 01:32:35.280] But I won't, but hang on, but I won't shove people off the circuit.
[01:32:35.280 -> 01:32:36.440] I will give people room.
[01:32:36.440 -> 01:32:37.440] I will be aggressive.
[01:32:37.440 -> 01:32:39.080] I will still leave room.
[01:32:39.080 -> 01:32:40.080] Okay, citation needed.
[01:32:40.080 -> 01:32:42.480] Matt and Antonio, and then let's move on.
[01:32:42.480 -> 01:32:45.360] Yeah, I just want to get away from the idea that the
[01:32:45.360 -> 01:32:52.320] drivers are quote unquote scared of Max. I think there's any number of drivers who would race him
[01:32:52.320 -> 01:32:59.840] extremely hard, but when your car is a second a lap or even half a second a lap slower,
[01:33:00.480 -> 01:33:07.660] there's just no real point to it unless you're two laps from the end and in front.
[01:33:07.660 -> 01:33:14.140] And so what you're seeing is just a recognition of the reality of the job Red Bull has done
[01:33:14.140 -> 01:33:18.620] with his car and the pace that they have over the entire field.
[01:33:18.620 -> 01:33:23.780] And you will see when people have a sniff of victory, it gets harder for him.
[01:33:23.780 -> 01:33:27.000] But if I'm in a McLaren, I mean, we saw Norris at Silverstone,
[01:33:27.520 -> 01:33:32.120] like, like really chasing him, you know, it's it's not the drivers are scared.
[01:33:32.120 -> 01:33:36.260] It's just they're being realistic about what they've got going for them
[01:33:36.420 -> 01:33:38.900] on this particular race day.
[01:33:38.900 -> 01:33:41.660] Yeah, perhaps scared is the wrong word, but like Jesus said,
[01:33:41.660 -> 01:33:43.100] they might not be scared of death.
[01:33:43.100 -> 01:33:45.760] No, but a career death, perhaps.
[01:33:45.760 -> 01:33:48.800] You don't wanna be that guy who picks up damage,
[01:33:48.800 -> 01:33:51.600] gets crashed into, wears the tires out,
[01:33:51.600 -> 01:33:53.920] fighting someone who, in your opinion,
[01:33:53.920 -> 01:33:55.520] your race isn't with.
[01:33:55.520 -> 01:33:57.600] But I think that is a lot of the reason
[01:33:57.600 -> 01:34:01.080] that we're having these quote-unquote boring races.
[01:34:01.080 -> 01:34:03.360] It's because no one is willing to get their elbows out
[01:34:03.360 -> 01:34:04.800] because they don't think it's worth it.
[01:34:04.800 -> 01:34:08.720] They don't think that there's anything to fight for. And that's it. So it's
[01:34:08.720 -> 01:34:12.320] not just fans who are twiddling their thumbs going, Oh, well, who cares? The season's been
[01:34:12.320 -> 01:34:17.420] won anyway. The races are all the same. Max is going to win. The drivers think it too.
[01:34:17.420 -> 01:34:21.120] They are so resolved to the fact that they are not the fastest car on the grid. They're
[01:34:21.120 -> 01:34:25.280] not the best driver on the grid, that they've almost lost their
[01:34:25.280 -> 01:34:29.320] willingness to prove themselves because they don't think they possibly could. And that
[01:34:29.320 -> 01:34:33.200] is, I think, what's contributing to these stagnant races where Max can start from anywhere
[01:34:33.200 -> 01:34:38.320] on the grid and come in first with a massive gap. Yes, of course, because of his immeasurable
[01:34:38.320 -> 01:34:44.440] talent, but also because no one is willing to waste their tyres or just waste their time,
[01:34:44.440 -> 01:34:46.200] as they believe, on actually fighting
[01:34:46.200 -> 01:34:47.200] him.
[01:34:47.200 -> 01:34:53.320] Well, I think my answer to that is, well done, Red Bull. Well done Verstappen. What a position
[01:34:53.320 -> 01:34:59.520] to have worked yourself into.
[01:34:59.520 -> 01:35:06.280] It's the Dutch Grand Prix race review for MissDAPex podcast and yes, we haven't had the same amount
[01:35:06.280 -> 01:35:14.000] of DJ vibe. My goodness, was that Zandvoort track lit. Had I been 10 years younger, I
[01:35:14.000 -> 01:35:19.720] would still be looking at the atmosphere at the Dutch Grand Prix and be saying, wow, that
[01:35:19.720 -> 01:35:24.780] makes me want to nap. That was intense. There was a lot going on there and I'm glad they're
[01:35:24.780 -> 01:35:28.980] all enjoying themselves. The Dutch Grand Prix is very, very quickly stamping its
[01:35:28.980 -> 01:35:33.700] name on the F1 calendar, along with the Mexican Grand Prix as a track, with
[01:35:33.700 -> 01:35:38.560] atmosphere as a track and a fan base that are really, really enjoying their
[01:35:38.560 -> 01:35:47.080] F1. It's very, very hard to begrudge that. Curse you successful rival fanbase. But the F1 gods blessed us with a
[01:35:47.080 -> 01:35:53.040] fantastic Grand Prix, some fantastic viewing, and if we can just find a way to edit in real
[01:35:53.040 -> 01:35:59.040] time the amount of red flag time that means that we can just kind of skip forward. Can
[01:35:59.040 -> 01:36:04.760] we have a real life like TiVo where we can just press a button and skip all of that so
[01:36:04.760 -> 01:36:05.040] that we can get back to the restart and skip all of that so that we can
[01:36:05.040 -> 01:36:08.040] get back to the restart that would be perfect but apart from that no
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[01:36:54.240 -> 01:36:59.280] Now let's get on with the awards. So the first award we have is the Good Thing Award.
[01:37:11.240 -> 01:37:17.360] Okay, so I'm going to look around the panel and see who's been the brightest ray of positivity on the panel and alarmingly it's been Matt. So Matt, you've been the most positive person.
[01:37:17.360 -> 01:37:19.960] Who's your good thing? I know this is shocking.
[01:37:19.960 -> 01:37:20.960] Have you been drinking?
[01:37:20.960 -> 01:37:25.040] No, but I'm second. I'm the second most positive person on this show.
[01:37:25.040 -> 01:37:28.000] So you and me get to go first with the Good Thing Awards.
[01:37:28.000 -> 01:37:29.000] After you.
[01:37:29.000 -> 01:37:33.720] I'm going to go with Williams and Alex Albarn in particular.
[01:37:33.720 -> 01:37:41.180] They have shown the world that they have recovered from the depths of finishing dead last in
[01:37:41.180 -> 01:37:42.680] Formula One.
[01:37:42.680 -> 01:37:46.400] And Albarn in particular, I want to hold out as a model to all Formula
[01:37:46.400 -> 01:37:50.900] One drivers because he went up to the microphone today and said, well, you know, we need to
[01:37:50.900 -> 01:37:52.580] understand what's happening here.
[01:37:52.580 -> 01:37:56.340] But like there was this thing where in all the low speed corners, we had a headwind.
[01:37:56.340 -> 01:37:59.620] So I think we've got some new information to deal with.
[01:37:59.620 -> 01:38:06.580] Could every driver just please like, you know, send me telemetryry, reports from your engineers post raise.
[01:38:06.580 -> 01:38:07.880] It would just help me a lot.
[01:38:07.880 -> 01:38:09.880] And I promise I will tell no one.
[01:38:09.880 -> 01:38:12.360] Yeah, I'll keep it to myself.
[01:38:12.360 -> 01:38:17.360] But it's finding the positive, even when it doesn't quite go to your liking.
[01:38:17.360 -> 01:38:21.480] So I spent a whole week producing a short audio book.
[01:38:21.480 -> 01:38:25.000] I got 95% of the way in and Matt, I called you to cry about
[01:38:25.000 -> 01:38:31.600] it, and then the project got cancelled. The last chapter, it got cancelled. And you go,
[01:38:31.600 -> 01:38:35.680] it's easy to be crushed about that, but you go, actually, I learned loads about the process.
[01:38:35.680 -> 01:38:40.000] I learned quite a lot about how I use this particular microphone, for example. And so
[01:38:40.000 -> 01:38:43.180] hopefully that will advance the podcast and future audio books.
[01:38:43.180 -> 01:38:48.000] So if he's in that positive mindset where, yeah, we qualified fourth, we didn't end up
[01:38:48.000 -> 01:38:53.440] on the podium, but look, we're discovering things about these nuanced parts of our car
[01:38:53.440 -> 01:38:55.220] in this particular situation.
[01:38:55.220 -> 01:38:59.000] I think that shows to me that is a team that's on the up.
[01:38:59.000 -> 01:39:05.040] And it's really difficult to not point at James Vowles because there's a very distinct line between awful,
[01:39:05.040 -> 01:39:09.840] awful, awful, awful, awful, James Vowles, positive, positive, positive, results, results,
[01:39:09.840 -> 01:39:14.320] results. I would find it very hard to go away from that conclusion.
[01:39:15.200 -> 01:39:16.800] So you want me to argue with you?
[01:39:16.800 -> 01:39:22.480] No, no, agree. Agree like a yes man. All I want is to be surrounded by yes men.
[01:39:22.480 -> 01:39:47.040] Oh, well, sorry about that. All I want is to be surrounded by yes men. in, I mean, Ferrari, we can look what's going to happen with Alpine here in another race or two.
[01:39:47.600 -> 01:39:53.440] He's walked in the door and managed to make it better what was already there without
[01:39:53.440 -> 01:39:58.560] completely messing it up. And that alone is a pretty big feat in a Formula One paddock.
[01:39:58.560 -> 01:40:04.400] Cool. I am giving my thing of the weekend to Daniel Ricciardo, because he was faced with
[01:40:04.400 -> 01:40:06.000] the choice of hitting Piastri
[01:40:06.000 -> 01:40:10.660] or the wall and having to keep his hand, I believe, having to keep his hands on the steering
[01:40:10.660 -> 01:40:15.200] wheel in order to ensure that he hit the wall and not Piastri and he paid the price for
[01:40:15.200 -> 01:40:19.480] it. So I'm giving it to Danny Rick. That's fair, isn't it, Alex? That's in karting, sometimes
[01:40:19.480 -> 01:40:29.040] you have to pick between hitting the wall or hitting the driver. He absolutely decided not to hit the other car, side on at speed.
[01:40:29.920 -> 01:40:31.880] So, yeah, he does need to be commended for that.
[01:40:32.560 -> 01:40:39.600] And yeah, the way it snapped out of his hand looked particularly violent and not nice.
[01:40:40.720 -> 01:40:44.560] So, yes, speedy recovery for him.
[01:40:44.560 -> 01:40:48.640] We'll probably hopefully see him in Singapore, which is not a great place to come back from.
[01:40:48.640 -> 01:40:49.960] It feels like it's too soon.
[01:40:49.960 -> 01:40:52.320] Great place to come back from with a hand in hand.
[01:40:52.320 -> 01:40:53.200] Have you broken bones?
[01:40:53.600 -> 01:40:54.360] Have you broken bones?
[01:40:54.400 -> 01:40:55.280] I've broken a lot of bones.
[01:40:55.320 -> 01:40:55.920] No.
[01:40:55.920 -> 01:40:56.520] I've broken a lot.
[01:40:56.520 -> 01:40:57.560] Have you never broken bones?
[01:40:57.560 -> 01:41:00.000] I've never broken a bone.
[01:41:00.000 -> 01:41:02.680] Maybe, maybe my little toe apart.
[01:41:02.680 -> 01:41:03.400] Oh, okay.
[01:41:03.440 -> 01:41:05.000] So have you tried being in a train crash?
[01:41:05.000 -> 01:41:06.400] I've done lots of stupid things.
[01:41:06.400 -> 01:41:09.600] Like that guy in Unbreakable? You could be the guy from Unbreakable.
[01:41:09.600 -> 01:41:10.800] Bruce Willis.
[01:41:10.800 -> 01:41:14.600] Yeah, that could be you. So, Alex, thing of the weekend for you?
[01:41:14.600 -> 01:41:20.800] Well, Matt took what was going to be mine, so I'm going to go with something that happened in my household,
[01:41:20.800 -> 01:41:26.560] which was when I was cheering something that Hulkenberg did, and I went,
[01:41:26.560 -> 01:41:33.040] yay Hulk! And then my wife had to explain to my five-year-old that Hulk was not the incredible
[01:41:33.040 -> 01:41:38.640] Hulk, and that he can't just smash his way through all the other drivers to win the race,
[01:41:38.640 -> 01:41:43.520] because that would be illegal, and then having to explain what illegal was. So that was, that's my
[01:41:43.520 -> 01:41:48.320] thing of the week, because Matt stole it from me and I had nothing else. Fair enough. Rob Asher in the live chat
[01:41:48.320 -> 01:41:55.200] says, are we sure Danny wasn't aiming for Oscar and just missed? That's mean. That is mean.
[01:41:55.200 -> 01:42:01.200] Speaking of mean, Antonia Rankin, TikTok sensation. How's the TikToks going? People still
[01:42:01.200 -> 01:42:06.000] tuning in? Yeah. Yeah. Is it all? They're still what, what, 14 seconds?
[01:42:06.000 -> 01:42:08.000] It would be better if you were nice to me.
[01:42:08.000 -> 01:42:10.000] Are they like 14 seconds long, your TikToks?
[01:42:10.000 -> 01:42:13.000] Like, hey, I think the F1 race was good today.
[01:42:13.000 -> 01:42:16.000] And then like an outro music and that's it.
[01:42:16.000 -> 01:42:18.000] Yeah, no, doing good, busy.
[01:42:18.000 -> 01:42:19.000] I know you do.
[01:42:19.000 -> 01:42:20.000] Yeah.
[01:42:20.000 -> 01:42:21.000] Amazing. It's amazing.
[01:42:21.000 -> 01:42:22.000] You're a sensation on there.
[01:42:22.000 -> 01:42:24.000] And I advise everyone to go and click the links in the show notes below
[01:42:24.000 -> 01:42:32.000] to go and check out what you're doing within TikTok and beyond, because you're starting to make me very, very jealous in the F1 sphere.
[01:42:32.000 -> 01:42:47.800] Okay, positivity. Who did a good thing? What was the good thing? How was the good thing? to Piastri because I think P9, he just deserved better. Not that I think anything can be deserved
[01:42:47.800 -> 01:42:54.080] in F1, but he drove really, really well today. He gave a really mature, good drive. He really
[01:42:54.080 -> 01:42:58.640] did a great job and I kind of wish he'd done a little bit better in the end than he did.
[01:42:58.640 -> 01:43:02.800] So as if my commendation means anything, this is my tribute to him.
[01:43:02.800 -> 01:43:07.960] It does. That's what this award is about. But I think it's fair to say, he's really
[01:43:07.960 -> 01:43:15.360] in the pocket. He's in that same zone as Norris. He seems to be just like a smidge of a step
[01:43:15.360 -> 01:43:21.280] behind, but the consistency, the racing, everything, he pulled off some great overtakes today as
[01:43:21.280 -> 01:43:22.280] well.
[01:43:22.280 -> 01:43:27.760] Yeah. I honestly think him and Lando together together with this McLaren that seems to be vastly
[01:43:27.760 -> 01:43:32.420] improving, I think they can be a really, really great combination and I'm so excited to see
[01:43:32.420 -> 01:43:36.640] in the latter half of the season how they get on or whether it'll be fireworks and flames
[01:43:36.640 -> 01:43:38.780] and their heads will burst.
[01:43:38.780 -> 01:43:39.780] Water and a grease fire.
[01:43:39.780 -> 01:43:40.780] I actually can't wait.
[01:43:40.780 -> 01:43:46.480] That's what you're going to get because let's face it, if Piastri hadn't flat-spotted his
[01:43:46.480 -> 01:43:51.920] tires, and yes, you can say that's his fault, he was on the same strategy as Albon, but
[01:43:51.920 -> 01:43:54.120] about two places ahead.
[01:43:54.120 -> 01:43:59.200] He would have been ahead of Norris in today's race if he hadn't flat-spotted those tires.
[01:43:59.200 -> 01:44:03.880] And if I'm Norris, I'm like, well, he's still flat-spotting his tires.
[01:44:03.880 -> 01:44:08.340] But oh, oh, the looming battle has me already making the popcorn.
[01:44:08.840 -> 01:44:10.040] All right, let's get negative.
[01:44:10.520 -> 01:44:11.600] It's the bad thing, Ward.
[01:44:11.600 -> 01:44:14.280] Oh no, you missed the apex.
[01:44:14.640 -> 01:44:21.400] Speaking of bad things, let's talk about Alex Van Jeen and our upcoming matchup on
[01:44:21.400 -> 01:44:25.900] Saturday, next Saturday, you and me in like open-wheel proper owner-driver
[01:44:25.900 -> 01:44:31.260] carts and I am scared but let's just talk about the series briefly. You and I
[01:44:31.260 -> 01:44:36.740] are going to be in these these non comfortably bumpered carts. I'm used to
[01:44:36.740 -> 01:44:41.540] my nice rental carts with the bumpers and I've literally taken out a life
[01:44:41.540 -> 01:44:45.920] insurance policy before getting into these carts. You'll be absolutely fine.
[01:44:45.920 -> 01:44:49.200] I will die. I'm going to die.
[01:44:49.200 -> 01:44:56.400] It's a new series called GXUK and they are trying to make owner karting affordable. It's
[01:44:56.400 -> 01:45:04.440] using older Rotax chassis, no older than 2018 with a single GX200 engine, which is what
[01:45:04.440 -> 01:45:06.080] you get in a normal rental car,
[01:45:06.080 -> 01:45:11.360] basically. But they're really light, nimble chassis and they're great to drive. To the
[01:45:11.360 -> 01:45:20.000] point where I've bought a car. So, first time in my life, I've taken a dive.
[01:45:20.000 -> 01:45:23.280] Okay, Antonio, what did you call him for owning his own car?
[01:45:23.280 -> 01:45:24.720] No, we can't say it on here.
[01:45:24.720 -> 01:45:27.840] Yeah, we can't repeat it. We can't repeat it. But you're an own
[01:45:27.840 -> 01:45:28.960] cart something something.
[01:45:29.760 -> 01:45:35.280] Exactly. And it's a really great fun group of people as well. We're in a WhatsApp chat, we're
[01:45:35.280 -> 01:45:41.120] talking about a lot. And Brad's using a cart as well. So yeah, we're off racing in Shenington
[01:45:41.120 -> 01:45:50.480] next weekend, which is up in Banbury, and you're going to have a practice and I think you'll be absolutely fine. Okay, and the the threat is obviously
[01:45:50.480 -> 01:45:56.120] they are open wheel. So if you do clang into somebody, I will die. You can't you won't
[01:45:56.120 -> 01:46:02.320] die. You're not going fast enough to die. It's fine. But no, we are super much. And
[01:46:02.320 -> 01:46:08.320] if you do want to watch along if you you go to Alpha Live, the website, Alpha Live,
[01:46:08.320 -> 01:46:10.560] timing, you can see all the races,
[01:46:10.560 -> 01:46:12.280] all live timed on the Sunday.
[01:46:12.280 -> 01:46:13.120] I didn't know that.
[01:46:13.120 -> 01:46:14.460] Oh, okay, well, I'm not in the races,
[01:46:14.460 -> 01:46:15.300] I'm just in the practice.
[01:46:15.300 -> 01:46:18.700] So, but there will be some video footage of that.
[01:46:18.700 -> 01:46:19.760] So look out for that.
[01:46:20.720 -> 01:46:28.840] Alex, what was your bad thing award for this weekend? Oh, it's Mercedes doing an amazing Ferrari impression.
[01:46:28.840 -> 01:46:32.040] I mean, honestly, they let both their drivers down.
[01:46:32.040 -> 01:46:35.600] They threw away the possibility of both cars fighting for the podium.
[01:46:35.600 -> 01:46:39.640] Whether both cars would have been on the podium, I don't know, but they at least ruined that
[01:46:39.640 -> 01:46:46.520] opportunity for both their drivers to go and fight for a podium with dumb strategy calls basically
[01:46:46.520 -> 01:46:54.600] the whole weekend apart from the Lewis strategy going straight to the sloths eventually.
[01:46:54.600 -> 01:46:57.760] Apart from that, it was a SH1T show.
[01:46:57.760 -> 01:47:00.800] Okay, well I can't spell, so that's fine.
[01:47:00.800 -> 01:47:09.720] So my bad thing award actually, I actually do want to praise the broadcast, but I'll start with the bad thing about it, which was kept missing Lewis Hamilton overtakes.
[01:47:09.720 -> 01:47:14.360] So there was there was one where Lewis Hamilton got a great run on Carlos Sainz into 13, 14,
[01:47:14.360 -> 01:47:19.240] down the back straight, and then it just cut to Perez following Alonso or something like
[01:47:19.240 -> 01:47:24.000] that, just something inane. And we actually missed like three or four Lewis Hamilton overtakes.
[01:47:24.000 -> 01:47:29.960] And that was the, you know, him and Norris and Piastri coming through the field. That was the race, that was the thing to
[01:47:29.960 -> 01:47:35.360] watch. However, I will say, there was some spectacular shots. Something has changed. So
[01:47:35.360 -> 01:47:40.200] that whilst the direction was missing stuff, something about the videography, there was lots
[01:47:40.200 -> 01:47:46.400] of like tight shots, but appropriately spaced. There was amazing helicopter shots.
[01:47:46.400 -> 01:47:52.040] The cars looked fast and that's the, whatever they did to make the F1 cars look fast this
[01:47:52.040 -> 01:47:58.800] weekend keep doing that. Okay, who have we not gone with? Antonia, what was the bad thing
[01:47:58.800 -> 01:48:04.000] award for you this weekend? I do have one but I would have to agree about
[01:48:04.000 -> 01:48:06.520] the organisation of why did we have five minutes
[01:48:06.520 -> 01:48:08.840] of replays on like lap three.
[01:48:08.840 -> 01:48:13.680] I can tell you why. I can tell you why. That is a conscious thing they decided to do because
[01:48:13.680 -> 01:48:17.640] they think that that is bringing the action to the viewer at the point that the race has
[01:48:17.640 -> 01:48:22.320] settled down. So that was when I, you know, name drop, when I was chatting to Rob Smedley
[01:48:22.320 -> 01:48:28.080] here on the show, he didn't know he was going to be on the podcast. It was like a press junket thing and he got surprised with it.
[01:48:28.080 -> 01:48:32.640] But yeah, he said that is a conscious thing we're trying to do. And at the time, they were trying to
[01:48:32.640 -> 01:48:36.480] bring loads of telemetry stuff. So they were trying to bring driver inputs. And you remember
[01:48:36.480 -> 01:48:40.160] the whole reaction time thing? That was something they pushed. And the only thing that really
[01:48:40.160 -> 01:48:46.320] survived out of that was this constant replay of the start on lap two or three. And
[01:48:46.320 -> 01:48:51.400] I think as sort of mature race fans, we just want to watch the action actually as it's
[01:48:51.400 -> 01:48:52.400] unfolding.
[01:48:52.400 -> 01:48:56.520] Yeah, personally, I just I feel like we're missing out. I'm like, but we just got started.
[01:48:56.520 -> 01:49:00.200] Don't show us what we've just seen. That might be a personal thing, though, if they're running
[01:49:00.200 -> 01:49:06.160] that it must be a popular thing, but I just personally... Anyway, my bad thing
[01:49:06.160 -> 01:49:11.880] is and it's not Joe's fault necessarily that he crashed, he just crashed at a really inconvenient
[01:49:11.880 -> 01:49:17.860] time for my personal research of how effective these wet tires are. If we'd have had a little
[01:49:17.860 -> 01:49:22.060] bit more time with the Red Bulls on these wet tires I would have loved to see how long
[01:49:22.060 -> 01:49:29.200] they could have run for, whether they were kicking up too much water because they shift something like 72 litres of water per second, these Cinchuato blue tyres.
[01:49:29.200 -> 01:49:34.240] It's crazy. And I would have loved to see how effective they were because we haven't had a lot
[01:49:34.240 -> 01:49:38.880] of wet running actually this season because it's either been crazy torrential rain that's not been
[01:49:38.880 -> 01:49:44.400] raceable or not enough. And I would have loved to let it pan out just a little bit more but you know,
[01:49:44.400 -> 01:49:49.200] can't blame Joe. Stuff happens. He crashed, he crashed. So rah, so rah.
[01:49:49.200 -> 01:49:51.280] I wasn't going to say anything.
[01:49:51.280 -> 01:49:52.280] But...
[01:49:52.280 -> 01:49:54.480] You agree?
[01:49:54.480 -> 01:50:00.520] But because you have backdoored Ockhan into the conversation again, I have no doubt that
[01:50:00.520 -> 01:50:08.000] he was the first person on the wet tyres, and the crash of Joe absolutely killed
[01:50:08.000 -> 01:50:14.400] any chance he had of making up the late pit stop that he and Albon had. So, I agree with
[01:50:14.400 -> 01:50:16.880] you, it was very inconveniently timed.
[01:50:16.880 -> 01:50:19.680] I just don't appreciate you leveraging Ockhan to agree with me.
[01:50:19.680 -> 01:50:21.800] I knew you wouldn't, and that's why I couldn't resist.
[01:50:21.800 -> 01:50:26.320] And also, Matt, how did Ockhan take the decision to put him onto wet tyres?
[01:50:26.320 -> 01:50:29.600] Oh, he was gollically unhappy with that.
[01:50:29.600 -> 01:50:30.800] He was very unhappy, yeah.
[01:50:32.720 -> 01:50:33.280] Okay, Matt.
[01:50:34.160 -> 01:50:38.560] I wasn't going to bring it up at all, but you just hung it out there.
[01:50:38.560 -> 01:50:38.960] Sorry.
[01:50:38.960 -> 01:50:39.280] Okay.
[01:50:39.280 -> 01:50:41.120] You hung it out there and I couldn't resist.
[01:50:41.120 -> 01:50:42.080] Sorry, viewers.
[01:50:42.080 -> 01:50:44.080] Oh my goodness, this show has been chaos.
[01:50:44.640 -> 01:50:47.200] This has been Christian and Kyle levels of chaos. Oh my goodness, this show has been chaos. This has been Christian and
[01:50:47.200 -> 01:50:51.680] Kyle levels of chaos. I expected better from all. Matt, who missed the apex for you?
[01:50:52.320 -> 01:51:00.480] Ah, you know, I've been going over my pit stops and looking at it. And really,
[01:51:01.120 -> 01:51:07.280] when you come down to it, I got to be be kinda angry at good old Charlie Leclerc.
[01:51:07.280 -> 01:51:13.600] I know we didn't do the whose fault is it anyway, but in these conditions the Ferrari
[01:51:13.600 -> 01:51:16.400] was very challenging to drive, but not impossible.
[01:51:16.400 -> 01:51:21.800] I mean, you had Carlos finishing fifth, and I went and I looked at that incident between
[01:51:21.800 -> 01:51:24.120] him and Norris, and...
[01:51:24.120 -> 01:51:26.480] And hang on, wait, what was your conclusion?
[01:51:26.480 -> 01:51:27.760] Whose fault is it?
[01:51:29.120 -> 01:51:31.600] You looked at the incident, Matt, go on, and, and?
[01:51:32.240 -> 01:51:38.000] I looked at all the incidents and my conclusion was, well, he just got on the throttle early
[01:51:38.000 -> 01:51:44.640] and spun the rears up and clattered into Lando, permanently damaged his car,
[01:51:49.840 -> 01:51:56.960] clattered into Lando, permanently damaged his car, and cost Ferrari their lead over McLaren in the Constructor's Championship. McLaren? Aston, sorry. Aston in the Constructor's Championship.
[01:51:56.960 -> 01:52:04.720] And this is why, as talented a driver as he is, it's entirely difficult yet to take him seriously
[01:52:06.840 -> 01:52:12.600] driver as he is, it's entirely difficult yet to take him seriously as a contender for a championship if he's given the car, because he just keeps on doing little things like
[01:52:12.600 -> 01:52:13.600] this.
[01:52:13.600 -> 01:52:14.600] Yeah, man.
[01:52:14.600 -> 01:52:15.600] Yeah, man.
[01:52:15.600 -> 01:52:18.520] He always seems to just push it that 101%.
[01:52:18.520 -> 01:52:19.760] And he crashed in qualifying.
[01:52:19.760 -> 01:52:21.000] And he crashed in qualifying as well.
[01:52:21.000 -> 01:52:22.000] Yeah, let's stick with that.
[01:52:22.000 -> 01:52:24.160] And was constantly off the road all weekend.
[01:52:24.160 -> 01:52:26.720] Leclerc is fast enough
[01:52:27.280 -> 01:52:31.360] to be brilliant he isn't consistent enough to be brilliant. Can I defend a little bit because
[01:52:31.360 -> 01:52:37.360] Sainz was also kept going off on on turn one. Yeah it's a hard car. Yeah that car is difficult
[01:52:37.360 -> 01:52:42.800] to drive and like the fact that they got to q3. It's not just this season. No you're right you're
[01:52:42.800 -> 01:52:47.440] right you're right but when when Leclerc hit the wall in Q3, I went,
[01:52:47.440 -> 01:52:52.720] oh, they've done well to get this far without wrapping Armco around them.
[01:52:53.840 -> 01:52:59.440] No, I'm sorry, Leclerc has a history at the moment of just being in the car.
[01:52:59.440 -> 01:53:04.320] He is a crasher, especially in practice, which can't help anything to do with development on the
[01:53:04.320 -> 01:53:05.360] cars going forwards, you know, do they want to give him parts because he might wreck them? crash out, especially in practice, which can't help anything to do with development on the cars
[01:53:08.480 -> 01:53:09.520] going forwards, you know, do they want to give him parts because he might wreck them?
[01:53:14.800 -> 01:53:22.880] I really like Leclerc, I think he's a really nice guy, I think he's mega fast, like properly, properly mega, mega fast, but he just is in these kind of positions far too often, and you don't,
[01:53:22.880 -> 01:53:25.480] and Lewis got it out of his system early, Lewis got it out of his system early.
[01:53:25.480 -> 01:53:27.420] Max got it out of his system early
[01:53:27.420 -> 01:53:29.120] and they went on to be great.
[01:53:29.120 -> 01:53:31.680] Leclerc still got it and he is in the position
[01:53:31.680 -> 01:53:34.040] where he is the lead driver at one of the most,
[01:53:34.040 -> 01:53:36.760] the most historic team in Formula One,
[01:53:36.760 -> 01:53:40.480] keeps going off and it's got,
[01:53:40.480 -> 01:53:43.440] and he's about to sign another massive deal, maybe.
[01:53:43.440 -> 01:53:44.360] Oh, let's hope not.
[01:53:44.360 -> 01:53:45.460] Look, look, that is, this is by the way, maybe. Oh, let's hope not. Madness.
[01:53:45.460 -> 01:53:48.840] Look, this is, by the way, an example to any F1 content creators.
[01:53:48.840 -> 01:53:55.260] If you want to completely slate someone, start off by saying, I think they seem nice, and
[01:53:55.260 -> 01:53:58.360] then continue with the character assassination.
[01:53:58.360 -> 01:54:03.000] So someone who I think is a very, very nice guy is Alex Van Geen, and you should go and
[01:54:03.000 -> 01:54:05.760] follow him at Alex Van Jeen,
[01:54:05.760 -> 01:54:06.760] V-A-N-G-E-E-N.
[01:54:06.760 -> 01:54:11.040] I'm even trying to do more on Instagram now as well.
[01:54:11.040 -> 01:54:14.240] He don't want to, he won't follow through with that, but do go and follow him on Instagram.
[01:54:14.240 -> 01:54:18.000] And look out for us going head to head in practice in karting.
[01:54:18.000 -> 01:54:20.320] I gotta say, he is a super nice guy.
[01:54:20.320 -> 01:54:22.760] He barely hit me at all at the last karting event.
[01:54:22.760 -> 01:54:23.760] Ew.
[01:54:23.760 -> 01:54:25.880] I haven't been to a karting event in ages, what are you talking about? You weren't at the last carting event. Eww. I haven't been to a carting event in ages. That's what I'm talking about.
[01:54:25.880 -> 01:54:28.240] You weren't at the last carting event, which was the joke there.
[01:54:28.240 -> 01:54:29.240] Okay.
[01:54:29.240 -> 01:54:35.040] Follow Matt Trumpets at MattPT55 and keep a look out for him advertising the chance
[01:54:35.040 -> 01:54:38.440] to go and see him live playing trumpet in New York.
[01:54:38.440 -> 01:54:39.440] Follow me.
[01:54:39.440 -> 01:54:40.600] I'm at SpannersReady on Twitter.
[01:54:40.600 -> 01:54:41.600] Follow my Instagram.
[01:54:41.600 -> 01:54:45.480] I'm starting to post things and check out my daughter singing
[01:54:45.480 -> 01:54:51.560] a song as well on Instagram too. I think I'm spanners ready on there. I'm the best one.
[01:54:51.560 -> 01:54:56.440] Next probably or maybe third or fourth is Antonia Rankin, go and follow the TikTok channel
[01:54:56.440 -> 01:54:57.680] which is F1 Antonia.
[01:54:57.680 -> 01:54:59.280] Oh, there you go.
[01:54:59.280 -> 01:55:10.960] Yeah, I got it. There you go. And seriously, I know some people are, they turn their nose up and they go, oh, stupid TikTok. But it's really bite-sized content. All of our attention spans
[01:55:10.960 -> 01:55:15.520] are going down. You don't waste a word. You don't waste our time. You get to the point and the
[01:55:15.520 -> 01:55:21.280] content gets streamed at us and hits us in the face. I hit the mic. There you go. Does that make
[01:55:21.280 -> 01:55:25.680] you feel better? I got a mic. I I don't have to the WhatsApp messages and the DMs
[01:55:25.680 -> 01:55:26.520] and all of that.
[01:55:26.520 -> 01:55:29.440] Wait, I'm plugging your content for goodness sake.
[01:55:29.440 -> 01:55:31.960] Okay, so go and follow Antony's content on TikTok.
[01:55:31.960 -> 01:55:33.920] Even if that's your introduction to TikTok,
[01:55:33.920 -> 01:55:35.120] you won't regret it.
[01:55:35.120 -> 01:55:37.080] Links are in the show notes below.
[01:55:37.080 -> 01:55:39.160] I'm recovering from the humiliation
[01:55:39.160 -> 01:55:41.400] of doing the thing I always tell them not to do.
[01:55:41.400 -> 01:55:42.720] We will join you, I think,
[01:55:42.720 -> 01:55:44.600] because I'm going on a little holiday.
[01:55:44.600 -> 01:55:45.440] So I will find you again I think, because I'm going on a little holiday. So I will
[01:55:45.440 -> 01:55:52.080] find you again for the Monza Grand Prix at 8pm next Sunday. Until then, work hard,
[01:55:52.080 -> 01:56:10.000] be kind and have fun. This was MissedApex Podcast Chaos. ♪♪
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