Brazil GP 2023 F1 Race Review

Spanners and Trumpets are joined by   Kyle ‘Edgy’ Power and professional race car driver Bradley Philpot as they Bom all the Dias in the Brazilian Grand Prix. From the stochastic start to the riotous red flag to the adamantine will of Alonso, no last lap podium battle goes untelevised in this, the latest episode of Missed Apex Podcast.

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[01:32.640 -> 01:35.600] You are listening to missed apex podcast.
[01:36.200 -> 01:38.720] We live at one.
[01:57.000 -> 02:02.320] Welcome to Mr Apex podcast. The title of today's show is more exciting than any practice session. That provided by Scott on Twitter. Hi, I'm your host Richard Ready, but my friends call
[02:02.320 -> 02:05.040] me Spanners. So let's be friends. Welcome to our
[02:05.040 -> 02:13.280] Brazilian Grand Prix race review. It was a race where I reignited my love for Interlagos but it
[02:13.280 -> 02:19.520] did go on an awful lot, didn't it, that weekend. We'll see how Russell showed the real difference
[02:19.520 -> 02:26.320] between him and Lewis Hamilton. We'll talk about a welcome return for Aston Martin as Alonso stole the
[02:26.320 -> 02:33.440] show and of course we will have to briefly touch on another sad Leclerc moment.
[02:33.440 -> 02:37.520] We are an independent podcast produced in the podcasting shed with the kind permission
[02:37.520 -> 02:41.880] of our better halves. We aim to bring you a race review before your Monday morning commute.
[02:41.880 -> 02:49.120] We might be wrong, but we're first-ish.
[02:54.320 -> 02:57.920] I'm joined in the shed by an American. Matt, two rompits. Hello, Matt. And that, kids, is why you never go for the three-stop.
[02:58.480 -> 03:00.640] I... who went for the three-stop? Just Ocon?
[03:01.280 -> 03:02.640] Just Ocon, in the end.
[03:02.640 -> 03:05.120] Okay, and that didn't work out. He got overtaken by Gasly at the end, or Ocon in the end. Okay, and how and that didn't work out. He got overtaken by
[03:05.120 -> 03:11.360] Ghazali at the end or let through in the end. Well, actually Ghazali got him on the second
[03:11.360 -> 03:16.000] start if we're going to talk about his whole race, but essentially the reason it didn't work out as
[03:16.000 -> 03:22.560] well as Alpine had hoped was because he got hung up with a lot of front runner pitting traffic.
[03:22.560 -> 03:25.080] I see. That kids is why you never do that.
[03:25.080 -> 03:27.620] Okay, so I'm not gonna start the show
[03:27.620 -> 03:30.600] with a deep dive on Ocon's three-stop analysis.
[03:30.600 -> 03:34.120] I hope you won't take that as a slight in any way,
[03:34.120 -> 03:35.840] but we'll move on because we're joined
[03:35.840 -> 03:38.620] by race driver man, Bradley Philpott.
[03:38.620 -> 03:39.640] Hey, Brad.
[03:39.640 -> 03:42.520] I'm so glad that I specifically chose
[03:42.520 -> 03:44.800] the Brazilian Grand Prix to come on the show
[03:44.800 -> 03:45.360] because Mercedes
[03:45.360 -> 03:49.600] are going to do so well and we're going to have loads to talk about and be super positive.
[03:49.600 -> 03:54.320] Okay Brad, do you want me to look at the WhatsApp message when we were planning the panel for this
[03:54.320 -> 03:58.400] show and I said, are you up for the Brazilian Grand Prix race review? And you said yes,
[03:58.400 -> 04:01.840] this will be a brilliant one to have on because Lewis will definitely win.
[04:02.480 -> 04:05.440] Yeah, yeah and I was proven absolutely right.
[04:05.920 -> 04:09.400] And to make it the grumpiest old man panel we've had in a long time.
[04:09.560 -> 04:15.000] We have our MotoGP podcast host, Kyle Power.
[04:15.040 -> 04:15.680] How's it going Kyle?
[04:16.240 -> 04:16.640] Indeed.
[04:16.960 -> 04:21.400] Why bother watching exciting pit battles with somebody rejoining into a middle of
[04:21.400 -> 04:28.120] a battle when you can watch something else where, when nothing is happening or watch a replay of something that you've just seen happen.
[04:28.120 -> 04:33.000] TV broadcasting, it must be really hard. Like even here on this YouTube channel, the amount
[04:33.000 -> 04:37.480] of times I'm focused in on completely the wrong person at completely the wrong time,
[04:37.480 -> 04:41.120] you know, I can count that on several... I've got to take my socks off to count the amount
[04:41.120 -> 04:45.280] of times I get that wrong. But yeah, today we did miss a lot of the key action
[04:45.280 -> 04:49.920] and even the commentary team on Sky was left sort of puzzled like, oh sorry we didn't catch
[04:49.920 -> 04:54.240] that again. But yeah, Hamilton, was it Hamilton coming out the pits? And we were going like,
[04:54.240 -> 04:56.960] well where's Sainz, where's Sainz? And there was loads of those moments.
[04:56.960 -> 04:57.600] That was one of them.
[04:57.600 -> 05:01.040] Yeah, there was loads of those moments. And the stroll getting past Hamilton,
[05:01.040 -> 05:04.160] that would have been a good one to watch. I mean, that's quite momentous really,
[05:04.160 -> 05:09.720] like the Aston Martin that's been nowhere, the second Aston Martin car, chucking it down
[05:09.720 -> 05:13.200] the inside or outside of Hamilton, we don't know.
[05:13.200 -> 05:14.720] That would have been nice to see.
[05:14.720 -> 05:15.720] We think.
[05:15.720 -> 05:16.720] Yeah.
[05:16.720 -> 05:17.720] Okay.
[05:17.720 -> 05:18.720] Yeah, go on, Matt.
[05:18.720 -> 05:22.880] I just have this mental image of the actual producer saying, like, I'm going to take a
[05:22.880 -> 05:23.880] nap.
[05:23.880 -> 05:25.080] There's no way Stroll's going to pass Hamilton.
[05:25.080 -> 05:27.720] And then waking up and being like, what have we just missed?
[05:27.720 -> 05:29.880] Quick, get the replays up now.
[05:29.880 -> 05:33.360] And like I say, I'm broadcasting, I'm sure,
[05:33.360 -> 05:34.720] is a very, very dark art.
[05:34.720 -> 05:37.080] But yeah, there was quite a few people on social media
[05:37.080 -> 05:37.960] talking about that.
[05:37.960 -> 05:39.620] But let's get on with our race review.
[05:39.620 -> 05:49.840] All right. We absolutely have to start with the chaos at the front and we actually, what
[05:49.840 -> 05:50.840] am I doing?
[05:50.840 -> 05:53.920] I played the wrong bumper because we get to play my favourite game called Whose Fault
[05:53.920 -> 05:54.920] Is It?
[05:54.920 -> 06:00.440] Whose Fault Is It?
[06:00.440 -> 06:07.200] Now if you're new to Mr Apex Podcast, this game is based on my marriage where we have a hundred percent blame philosophy
[06:07.200 -> 06:10.440] So there's never just all it's one of those things in our house
[06:10.440 -> 06:15.480] We have to stop and really consider whose fault it is and and when we've decided it's my fault
[06:15.640 -> 06:18.300] We can then move on so it was
[06:18.960 -> 06:30.080] Dismissed as a racing incident by the stewards no further action no investigation needed. But I will ask my panel, whose fault was it? Let's go to Brad, because Brad, you shared with me a statement
[06:30.080 -> 06:31.600] that Magnussen had made recently.
[06:31.600 -> 06:35.200] Oh, that's the one we're talking about. Okay, I was just wondering which incident we were
[06:35.200 -> 06:36.200] going to talk about to begin with.
[06:36.200 -> 06:40.440] Oh, sorry, I didn't set it up very well, did I? Let's start with the incident that took
[06:40.440 -> 06:50.640] out a quarter of the pack, where one driver had at least four, I think, confirmed kills. Yeah, so Magnussen doesn't think it was his fault. He thinks that Albon
[06:50.640 -> 06:57.040] squeezed Hulkenberg, but I would say from my perspective it looked pretty clear like Magnussen
[06:57.040 -> 07:02.160] wandered slightly to the right, maybe assuming it was only him and Hulkenberg there. Hulkenberg
[07:02.160 -> 07:06.080] reacted slightly, moved very, very slightly to the
[07:06.080 -> 07:12.520] right and Albon went in a dead straight line, got tagged and ended up taking out Magnussen
[07:12.520 -> 07:15.880] who caused it in the first place, right? I think that's how it went.
[07:15.880 -> 07:21.520] Yeah, it looked just like that. Albon, he did actually have a tiny bit more room to
[07:21.520 -> 07:28.640] his right-hand side and I fully think that Albon did go dead straight, but he could see when he passed Hulkenberg that the wheels were going to be
[07:28.640 -> 07:33.360] pretty much almost interlocked. But I think he fully expected Hulkenberg to start pulling
[07:33.360 -> 07:37.360] left to look at the inside, having no idea that Magnussen, as you say, was squeezing
[07:37.360 -> 07:38.920] Hulkenberg on the other side. So-
[07:38.920 -> 07:41.920] Albon. Yeah. Oh, I've got confused.
[07:41.920 -> 07:44.800] Albon on the right hand side, yeah, Hulkenberg was being squeezed in the middle, while Magnussen
[07:44.800 -> 07:46.040] was coming across on Hulkenberg.
[07:46.040 -> 07:49.960] So Albon fully expected Hulkenberg to go left, and he didn't.
[07:49.960 -> 07:55.720] So Albon actually could have avoided that crash if he'd have known that Hulkenberg was
[07:55.720 -> 07:59.800] being squeezed, because he did have about another half meter to his right-hand side.
[07:59.800 -> 08:02.240] See this is it though, Albon was on the line.
[08:02.240 -> 08:06.760] So Kyle, are you saying that he could have gone past the line and not been in trouble?
[08:06.760 -> 08:09.200] And still kept two wheels on the track, yeah.
[08:09.200 -> 08:12.200] But this is the discussion me and Matt have all the time when it comes to track limits
[08:12.200 -> 08:14.760] and we never get a satisfactory answer.
[08:14.760 -> 08:19.920] Like I don't think Albon has to leave the track with half his car, I think he's like
[08:19.920 -> 08:26.760] perfectly entitled to have his whole car on track. He is, but equally like his, you know,
[08:26.760 -> 08:29.460] like as much as I think K-Mag is mainly at fault
[08:29.460 -> 08:31.680] was the catalyst, it's just one of those things.
[08:31.680 -> 08:34.300] But Albon having looking back again and would do it again,
[08:34.300 -> 08:36.340] I'm pretty sure Albon would move over to the right
[08:36.340 -> 08:37.500] a little bit more.
[08:37.500 -> 08:39.900] Because all of these cars initially are moving
[08:39.900 -> 08:42.300] in a straight line and Albon being one of them,
[08:42.300 -> 08:45.040] they're all kind of going in exactly the same direction. In this particular instance, there's no expectation and Albon being one of them, they're all kind of going in exactly the same direction.
[08:51.440 -> 08:57.760] In this particular instance, there's no expectation for Albon that he would need to use any extra track. If all the cars were moving kind of parallel to each other, diagonally towards the
[08:57.760 -> 09:03.040] edge, and Hülkenberg continued to move across towards Albon, he probably would keep moving
[09:03.040 -> 09:09.180] right and nibble a bit of the green paint. But because, as far as he's concerned, the car next to him is going straight,
[09:09.180 -> 09:14.060] and he's going straight, he's got no reason to think he needs to use that extra room until
[09:14.060 -> 09:18.700] suddenly at the last moment, Hülkenberg tags his rear because he's being squished across.
[09:18.700 -> 09:22.940] Yeah, so obviously it's Hülkenberg that got the poor start, so he's kind of getting swamped
[09:22.940 -> 09:29.440] from both sides. And like, what must he be thinking as his teammate starts coming across? Go, I would love, I would absolutely
[09:29.440 -> 09:34.680] love, love, love Kevin, to move to the right hand side and give you all the space in the
[09:34.680 -> 09:38.160] world. I would love to do that. But obviously, Albon's there. I think Albon's completely
[09:38.160 -> 09:43.560] entitled to be there. But it was, it was self policing in a way, because it was so targeted
[09:43.560 -> 09:45.440] how Albon then spun across and like
[09:45.440 -> 09:50.560] specifically took out Magnussen. I was just going to comment on that self-policing. It's always
[09:50.560 -> 09:55.680] satisfying when the person who caused the incident is the one that comes off worst. Obviously Alban
[09:55.680 -> 10:01.840] actually came off worst, but out of the two teammates at least, the correct one was immediately
[10:01.840 -> 10:06.880] taken out of the race. Yeah, with Hülkenberg, I've seen somebody in the live chat
[10:06.880 -> 10:09.720] say that maybe Hulkenberg could have maybe backed out of it.
[10:09.720 -> 10:11.700] I think by the point Hulkenberg realized
[10:11.700 -> 10:14.200] he was in a cluster fluff and in the sandwich
[10:14.200 -> 10:16.280] between the two of them, he could do nothing.
[10:16.280 -> 10:19.800] His front wheels were interlocked with both of the cars
[10:19.800 -> 10:22.700] on either side and he was just a passenger then.
[10:22.700 -> 10:24.880] And it was actually Hulkenberg decelerating
[10:24.880 -> 10:28.720] and the other two going forward and their rear wheels hitting Hulkenberg's front wheels.
[10:30.000 -> 10:34.480] The only way you could possibly get through that is if they all speed matched perfectly,
[10:34.480 -> 10:37.520] and that was never going to happen, into a braking zone into Turn 1.
[10:37.520 -> 10:41.200] I'm actually surprised we don't get this more often, because how many times, I mean,
[10:41.200 -> 10:46.560] even in Mexico in that run down to Turn 1, Lewis Hamilton just had to take massive avoiding action.
[10:46.880 -> 10:50.520] And then Russell moved quite wildly, I think in...
[10:51.160 -> 10:55.600] What was the one before Mexico? In Qatar? No, I don't know. I've lost track of this season.
[10:55.600 -> 10:56.720] Cota was before Mexico.
[10:56.720 -> 10:57.560] Cota, there you go.
[10:57.560 -> 11:02.400] So there's so much movement on the grid at the start line as people are jostling for positions.
[11:02.400 -> 11:11.440] And I've always wondered what happens if a car just stays still but yet very rarely do we see that kind of lateral movement punished.
[11:11.440 -> 11:16.480] So in a corner it's more obvious because you can cut someone's nose off and hope they bail out
[11:16.480 -> 11:22.560] but on a straight it's sort of mad to sort of move into somebody else's lane like Kevin did,
[11:22.560 -> 11:25.360] like Kevin, Mr Magnusson. But he didn't really move into Hulkenberg's lane, like Kevin did. Like Kevin, Mr. Magnuson.
[11:25.360 -> 11:28.640] But he didn't really move into Hulkenberg's lane.
[11:28.640 -> 11:32.160] If he had, there would have been contact between Magnuson and Hulkenberg.
[11:32.160 -> 11:37.520] What Magnuson was chasing, and we saw it with all of the starts, is that everybody on the
[11:37.520 -> 11:41.880] inside was chasing the grip on the outside.
[11:41.880 -> 11:45.840] And so that you have a natural squeezing effect there. And if we're going to
[11:45.840 -> 11:50.080] talk about just like from a more forensic point of view, I think Kyle had the right of it.
[11:50.080 -> 11:55.680] This accident really happened not because Magnuson hit Hulkenberg and Hulkenberg hit
[11:55.680 -> 12:01.520] Alban and then Alban hit Magnuson. This happened because Magnuson came across to find the grip,
[12:01.520 -> 12:11.120] which he was entitled to do. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Albin was almost past them, so he couldn't see Magnussen putting the squeeze on Halkenberg,
[12:11.120 -> 12:16.880] or limiting his ability to move out of Albin's way. And then Halkenberg, because this is not
[12:16.880 -> 12:22.400] his first trip to being the meat in a Formula One sandwich, is trying to back out of it,
[12:22.400 -> 12:25.200] doesn't have the room, and catches Albin's rear wheel. And then we got not just the out of it, doesn't have the room and catches Alban's rear wheel,
[12:25.200 -> 12:31.600] and then we got not just the three of them, but also Piastri and Ricardo,
[12:31.600 -> 12:38.800] as ancillary damage, taken out in one single rather amazing corner, which was great,
[12:38.800 -> 12:42.500] but then it also made the race kind of boring later on, too, I think.
[12:42.500 -> 12:49.200] LIAM I just wanted to point out that Scott in the chat, Scott Rainsford, has mentioned that
[12:49.200 -> 12:54.720] if anyone had the most space to use, it wasn't Albon, it was Magnusson, who had most of the
[12:54.720 -> 12:57.120] track to his left that he could have used to avoid it.
[12:57.120 -> 13:01.400] Yeah, I think I'm very happy that that is primarily been caused by Kevin Magnusson,
[13:01.400 -> 13:04.520] but thank you, by the way, to our live chat for joining us.
[13:04.520 -> 13:05.520] We do not have the
[13:05.520 -> 13:11.280] live chat on the YouTube, but we are joined by our patrons in our Slack group, which is a very nice
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[13:16.160 -> 13:22.560] slash missed apex. But the carnage that came out of that was disappointing, really, because on a
[13:22.560 -> 13:25.260] 20-car grid, when we keep losing people like this
[13:25.260 -> 13:30.720] you're such like oh now we've only got I think we only effectively had maybe 13 or 14 cars
[13:30.720 -> 13:36.020] left at the restart if you forget about Piastri and you forget about Ricciardo who were effectively
[13:36.020 -> 13:42.540] out of it so that was that was a real shame but Magnussen then goes into a Piastri as
[13:42.540 -> 13:46.140] well like you couldn't have aimed better, just a side swipe.
[13:46.140 -> 13:52.100] It was like a Fast and the Furious type move where he slammed the rear into piastri.
[13:52.100 -> 13:55.740] And then that stray tyre, I thought that wasn't supposed to happen anymore.
[13:55.740 -> 13:58.140] Was that just the carcass of a tyre, Kyle?
[13:58.140 -> 14:01.980] It was just the carcass, it wasn't the wheels, it was just the tyre, the tread had been stripped
[14:01.980 -> 14:04.180] off just like you see lorries do on the motorway.
[14:04.180 -> 14:05.700] Ah right, I see. And the wheels go.
[14:05.700 -> 14:08.520] But that was quite an impressive double collateral kill
[14:08.520 -> 14:10.600] that Magnussen managed to get there.
[14:10.600 -> 14:12.720] Yeah, and as that tyre was going in the air,
[14:12.720 -> 14:14.360] the onboards from both Alfa Tauris
[14:14.360 -> 14:16.760] was incredible because you could really, really see
[14:16.760 -> 14:18.920] Tsunoda judging what happens next.
[14:18.920 -> 14:21.600] And I think Brad's got the only real-life experience,
[14:21.600 -> 14:24.320] although I rate all my iRacing experience.
[14:24.320 -> 14:29.960] But when you have a crash like that ahead of you and you've got a bit of time like Sonoda and Ricciardo had,
[14:29.960 -> 14:34.440] what's going through your head, that decision-making process of which way to go and where to go?
[14:34.440 -> 14:39.180] I think you could see Sonoda really looking at the tyre and he seemed to be really focused
[14:39.180 -> 14:40.800] on missing the tyre.
[14:40.800 -> 14:45.280] Yeah, your decision-making process is basically, okay, first of all, give myself as much
[14:45.280 -> 14:52.080] time as possible, so slow down a bit and see where things are going, you know, work out where the car
[14:52.080 -> 14:56.960] in front is going to end up or where the debris is going to end up, and then you're also thinking
[14:56.960 -> 15:00.080] what's happening behind you, I don't want to check up too much because someone's going to go into the
[15:00.080 -> 15:03.840] back of me, so you're kind of weighing up these two things, exactly the same in the sim racing,
[15:04.880 -> 15:09.000] almost identical, you're trying to avoid the carnage and you're thinking
[15:09.000 -> 15:13.120] right now my car's still fine everything's still fine but i need to pick my way through
[15:13.120 -> 15:17.840] this in in the way which means i'm not going to be rear-ended i was just about to say exactly
[15:17.840 -> 15:22.040] that you kind of want to back off and give yourself time to time to react but you can't
[15:22.040 -> 15:26.040] just slam the brakes on stop because you were going to cause a massive crash behind you.
[15:26.040 -> 15:28.360] So yeah, I was just going to echo what Brad said.
[15:28.360 -> 15:29.360] Yeah.
[15:29.360 -> 15:32.200] And there's nothing better when you're in any form of racing, though, when you see the
[15:32.200 -> 15:35.980] C's part ahead of you and you go, danger, but opportunity.
[15:35.980 -> 15:36.980] This is wonderful.
[15:36.980 -> 15:39.780] And Sonoda, I think, gained six places immediately.
[15:39.780 -> 15:43.860] So once the safety car came out, Sonoda's there, he's gained six places and suddenly
[15:43.860 -> 15:45.280] your Grand Prix's just turned around
[15:45.280 -> 15:50.880] like that. Matt? Yeah, well, and it's important to realize that we had losers because some people
[15:50.880 -> 15:56.800] had good starts and some people had bad starts. And when we went to start, start again, we didn't
[15:56.800 -> 16:01.440] get the same results. So this is almost like, you know, everyone wants a reverse grid. Well,
[16:02.400 -> 16:06.000] this gave us kind of a glimpse of, well, let's mix things up a little bit
[16:06.000 -> 16:07.920] and then just start again and see what happens.
[16:07.920 -> 16:10.720] Forget mixed grids, we should just have like three starts
[16:10.720 -> 16:12.560] per sprint race and that would solve everything.
[16:12.560 -> 16:14.800] All right, okay, look, we'll talk about sprint races
[16:14.800 -> 16:16.440] because I want to sit here,
[16:16.440 -> 16:19.580] I want to propose a double sprint races.
[16:19.580 -> 16:22.680] So I want Saturday sprint, main Grand Prix
[16:22.680 -> 16:25.000] and hear me out, I want sprint Monday.
[16:25.000 -> 16:27.000] But we'll go to that towards the end of the show.
[16:27.000 -> 16:35.000] So we've lost, you know, a good third of the grid and the Grand Prix actually settles down into a fairly...
[16:35.000 -> 16:41.000] I don't want to use the B word, but it wasn't the most thrilling Grand Prix spectacular as it happens.
[16:41.000 -> 16:43.000] And there's a few reasons for that.
[16:43.000 -> 16:48.240] But definitely the people that stole the show were Fernando Alonso and Sergio Perez.
[16:52.160 -> 16:57.200] Now the reason I wanted to go straight to this one was because it was just a... it was a master
[16:57.200 -> 17:03.200] class of racing from Fernando Alonso. Now you guys know I'm a Perez fan. Perez had the faster car,
[17:06.400 -> 17:07.040] guys know I'm a Perez fan. Perez had the faster car, so he had a car advantage, but Alonso,
[17:13.680 -> 17:18.480] you rarely get a chance I think in F1 nowadays to really show how good you are wheel-to-wheel. Like it's not an every lap occurrence, people aren't swapping places, but in a defensive battle
[17:18.480 -> 17:25.400] that turned into an attacking battle, Fernando Alonso for me, showed he's still one of the absolute best to have ever
[17:25.400 -> 17:30.920] raced in Formula One. And yeah, like, you know, I always put my biases on the line.
[17:30.920 -> 17:35.680] I don't know why I'm a fan of Fernando Alonso, yet I sometimes root against him. I've got
[17:35.680 -> 17:41.480] no idea what's going on. I like love and hate him, and I don't understand which is the correct
[17:41.480 -> 17:51.320] one. But I do think he's one of the best to have ever raced in Formula 1. And there's moments like this where you go, yeah, that is the driver for that situation.
[17:51.320 -> 17:52.320] Matt.
[17:52.320 -> 17:57.880] Well, I just want to get in with a little bit of technical love here and tell you that
[17:57.880 -> 18:03.040] some differences you would like to be aware of, aside from the racecraft differences,
[18:03.040 -> 18:05.120] which I'm sure Brad and Kyle will love to get into
[18:05.120 -> 18:12.640] momentarily, was that Fernando started his last stint on a fresh set of soft tires, whereas Perez
[18:12.640 -> 18:20.320] was on a used set, that in addition to that, Perez had run an extra four or five laps on the
[18:20.320 -> 18:26.840] sorry, empathetic medium tire relative to Alonso also giving him an advantage, meaning
[18:26.840 -> 18:31.280] Perez had to close more ground down to catch him.
[18:31.280 -> 18:37.680] And that the last 10 laps were just a nail biter, watching him just hang in DRS and wait
[18:37.680 -> 18:38.680] to make his attack.
[18:38.680 -> 18:39.680] Yeah.
[18:39.680 -> 18:47.400] And Perez had those extra four or five laps on the undesirable medium tyres because as he sort of kind of
[18:47.400 -> 18:53.320] not accused the team, but he, but he kind of inferred on his radio message that they
[18:53.320 -> 18:58.680] pitted him too early because they were reacting to Mercedes. Now on the sky coverage, I think
[18:58.680 -> 19:03.200] they misinterpreted this radio message a little bit. So Paris was like, let's do our own race.
[19:03.200 -> 19:08.040] Why have we reacted to them? It was like, we have the pace. And he was like, why have you pitted me so early? They're
[19:08.040 -> 19:12.440] not our race. Let's go. So that gave him the extra four or five laps. So I wonder what
[19:12.440 -> 19:16.840] would have happened if they hadn't have reacted to Mercedes, whether he would have maybe come
[19:16.840 -> 19:20.840] out of the pits later on in a race ahead of Alonso and it already would have been done.
[19:20.840 -> 19:30.800] And when you look at the fact that Mercedes just weren't in it as much, no one could have predicted how not in it they were, that in a race where only 12 cars finished,
[19:30.800 -> 19:35.120] where did Hamilton finish in the end? Eighth? And if Russell had carried on, he would have
[19:35.120 -> 19:41.520] probably finished 11th or 12th. So yeah, so he'll be going back now going, yeah, you really did,
[19:41.520 -> 19:45.500] why did you react to a Mercedes that we were never going to be in a fight with?
[19:45.900 -> 19:48.900] But I do want to talk about the race craft a little bit there, Brad, because
[19:49.700 -> 19:54.800] one of the key things that we saw was Perez not really having an answer
[19:55.300 -> 20:00.800] to getting past Fernando Alonso until the time that he did was when he took a
[20:00.800 -> 20:02.500] different line into the final corner.
[20:02.500 -> 20:09.920] Like he finally tried something different, broke a bit earlier and sharper and like just risked it over the inside kerb. But that's
[20:09.920 -> 20:14.560] the situation here. We saw it with Hamilton in 21. This is where race craft can really make
[20:14.560 -> 20:20.320] the difference. Yeah, so first of all, I want to say I don't really buy into the hypothesis that
[20:21.200 -> 20:26.480] Perez was just waiting until the end to make his attack. I think if he could have
[20:26.480 -> 20:30.560] made that attack at any point, he would have done because ultimately he was faster. And
[20:30.560 -> 20:35.280] once he was through, provided Alonso didn't counter attack and he could break away, he
[20:35.280 -> 20:40.080] was going to just pull away. So I don't think it was quite Perez biding his time and waiting.
[20:40.080 -> 20:43.840] I think he just found the opportunity right near the end. You know, he tried, finally
[20:43.840 -> 20:49.120] tried something different and it worked. It got him close enough that he could then make that attack.
[20:49.120 -> 20:53.600] But I have to say, when I first saw Perez close up to the back of Alonso, I thought it was done,
[20:53.600 -> 20:57.600] you know, it was going to be done pretty quickly. He is driving a superior car,
[20:59.040 -> 21:06.280] and I think really the difference here was the quality of driver in both of those cars. Alonso absolutely
[21:06.280 -> 21:10.960] was managing the gap precisely, using his energy in the right place and as you will
[21:10.960 -> 21:17.240] have seen from the TV footage, using lines which allowed him to get a good enough exit
[21:17.240 -> 21:21.920] so he was always just out of reach of Perez when it came to the end of the DRS zone and
[21:21.920 -> 21:25.520] into the braking areas. right up until Perez finally
[21:25.520 -> 21:27.180] actually tried something different,
[21:27.180 -> 21:29.840] something which I think a better driver,
[21:29.840 -> 21:33.400] a Verstappen for example, would have tried much earlier
[21:33.400 -> 21:35.840] and he finally got through.
[21:35.840 -> 21:38.560] And then we saw what unfolded over the final two laps.
[21:38.560 -> 21:40.800] Yeah, the Alonso line in the final corner,
[21:40.800 -> 21:44.040] I noticed this about, well, quite early on in the race,
[21:44.040 -> 21:47.840] because I initially thought he was making mistakes. I was like, that's unlike him, he's made multiple mistakes. I was like,
[21:47.840 -> 21:52.800] no, he's doing that every single lap. So why he's doing that is not, so Perez is more sort of
[21:52.800 -> 21:56.880] being in the corner, he was getting the front in, the point and squirt, sort of getting the front
[21:56.880 -> 22:01.040] turned and then trying to fire out the corner. But he's obviously having to turn more and turn
[22:01.040 -> 22:06.400] whilst he's accelerating harder. Whereas Alonso, he's turning on round a wider
[22:06.400 -> 22:11.200] radius. So he's probably on the throttle a little bit later, but harder and when it's
[22:11.200 -> 22:14.880] slightly straighter as well. So it's actually good. He can get better traction and a better
[22:14.880 -> 22:19.120] launch out of the corner. And that was working an absolute treat. And as Brad said, I think
[22:19.120 -> 22:23.760] Perry's kind of, this was kind of throwing him a little bit and it was, and it was only
[22:23.760 -> 22:29.440] till really late in the race that he finally started to try driving slightly differently to get around it, because he can't
[22:29.440 -> 22:32.300] just copy Alonso's line because he'd be in the dirty air.
[22:32.300 -> 22:36.160] So initially Perez is probably thinking, this is great, I get nice clear air on my front
[22:36.160 -> 22:38.440] wing, but actually it was hurting his exit.
[22:38.440 -> 22:40.320] So very, very clever driving.
[22:40.320 -> 22:44.200] And if Alonso would say so himself, that's high IQ driving, I believe is one of the phrases
[22:44.200 -> 22:46.720] he uses. Well, for me, the thing that was interesting to watch about it, and when would say so himself, that's high IQ driving, I believe is one of the phrases he uses. Curtain Well, for me, the thing that was
[22:46.720 -> 22:52.720] interesting to watch about it, and when I say Perez waited, what I mean is he got to DRS about
[22:52.720 -> 23:01.360] lap 60 on Alonso. And it took him that long to figure out how to get inside the magic half second
[23:01.360 -> 23:09.160] that you needed to be trailing in order to have a really good pass down this down the final straight to start finish straight here. He would
[23:09.160 -> 23:14.160] get close, he would get closer, but he would never get quite close enough. And
[23:14.160 -> 23:18.800] some of that I think is just down to the characteristics of the car, but also when
[23:18.800 -> 23:28.060] I say he waited, it was very clear to me that he was busy filling up his battery, and when he made that pass,
[23:28.060 -> 23:36.360] he spent every last erg of energy in that car, making it by Alonso.
[23:36.360 -> 23:41.900] So when we got to the actual pass itself and Perez finally got through, I really did think
[23:41.900 -> 23:46.560] it was done, and despite Alonso valiantly hanging in there
[23:46.560 -> 23:51.240] through that lap, he clearly looked like he was going to try and fight back but from everything
[23:51.240 -> 23:56.660] else I'd seen when a car was passed by a faster car through the rest of the race, it never
[23:56.660 -> 23:59.680] really worked and they always fell away a bit too much in the middle sector and the
[23:59.680 -> 24:04.420] final sector to then be within range down the start straight again. But what seemed
[24:04.420 -> 24:10.060] to happen in that end of the final lap was, although Alonso seemed to exit the final corner
[24:10.060 -> 24:15.680] slightly far back from Perez, Perez went ever so slightly deep at turn one, or he at least
[24:15.680 -> 24:20.760] didn't get the perfect run down through the center S's. And from that moment on, it was
[24:20.760 -> 24:26.640] suddenly on. And Alonso did a thing which I was surprised Russell didn't do earlier in
[24:26.640 -> 24:33.760] the race which was when he got that run down the outside towards turn do we call it turn four after
[24:33.760 -> 24:38.800] the Senna S anyway the next the next corner the 90 degree left there's a lot of non-turns here
[24:38.800 -> 24:46.240] so yeah yeah yeah so when he got that run and Perez defended the inside, as soon as he was passed, he immediately
[24:46.240 -> 24:51.600] moved left. He immediately compromised Perez. He didn't just stay to the right and allow Perez to,
[24:51.600 -> 24:55.640] you know, outbrake him up the inside, which is what happened to Russell earlier in the race.
[24:55.640 -> 25:00.760] And that was kind of it, apart from having to get a nice clean exit to the final corner and
[25:00.760 -> 25:07.400] hope he wasn't outdragged. He'd done the it was, I was kind of on my feet impressed with that.
[25:07.400 -> 25:10.480] That was, when you're on old tires that are,
[25:10.480 -> 25:12.640] you know, they're overheating and worn out anyway,
[25:12.640 -> 25:14.080] and they're overheating because you've just been fighting
[25:14.080 -> 25:17.560] for a couple of laps and you're in a inferior car,
[25:17.560 -> 25:21.200] to get back through on Perez was,
[25:21.200 -> 25:23.560] I think Perez himself would have been surprised it happened
[25:23.560 -> 25:25.200] and I was certainly surprised he managed to get it done.
[25:25.200 -> 25:25.960] Yeah.
[25:25.960 -> 25:31.880] And going back slightly to Matt's point of, yeah, Perez probably used all of his
[25:31.880 -> 25:33.680] full bananas mode to get past him.
[25:33.680 -> 25:37.040] So it was all out of bananas by the time he got to turn one on the next lap.
[25:37.040 -> 25:38.600] Um, on, on the next lap.
[25:38.600 -> 25:41.880] So yeah, that put Alonso going onto the final lap in a position.
[25:41.880 -> 25:48.720] And as Brad said, Perez went a bit deep in turn one, And this reminded me a little bit of 2021 and Hamilton going after the staff
[25:48.720 -> 25:52.480] and Hamilton kind of sent a bit of a dummy and made for staff and go defensive, which
[25:52.480 -> 25:56.980] compromised his exit. Whereas Hamilton managed to get ahead of him back down to term four.
[25:56.980 -> 26:00.520] And this sort of happened this time, whereas Alonso didn't really jink a lot. So they just
[26:00.520 -> 26:04.880] got close enough that Paris got a bit spooked for he felt the need to defend the inside
[26:04.880 -> 26:09.280] line went a bit, a little bit wide wide and then picking up on Brad's point.
[26:09.280 -> 26:14.520] That was a very good point. And this is quite trusting of Alonso that Alonso only just cleared
[26:14.520 -> 26:19.640] Perez. You're steaming towards the breaking zone. You see Alonso visibly look over, look
[26:19.640 -> 26:24.200] over, check his mirror that is in front of Perez and quickly swipe in front and then
[26:24.200 -> 26:29.720] slam the brakes on because it's the breaking zone. Now you have to have an awful lot of trust in
[26:29.720 -> 26:33.880] the skill of your competitor that when you swipe in front of them and essentially slam
[26:33.880 -> 26:39.080] the brakes on in the braking zone, Perez probably preempted this was going to happen and immediately
[26:39.080 -> 26:44.440] started to swish back to the outside and it got very close. But I, I clenched some of
[26:44.440 -> 26:47.200] my muscles a bit when, uh bit when I saw Alonso do
[26:47.200 -> 26:52.480] that. Because I was like, I think I thought Pérez was going to do a Verstappen 1994 and plough into
[26:52.480 -> 26:57.920] the back of it. I'd say that, I'm just so glad that that battle happened at the end. It was like,
[26:57.920 -> 27:02.960] it was a little reward, but it was a bit of an endurance test watching that race. So it was a
[27:02.960 -> 27:05.240] reward. That battle was pure joy.
[27:05.360 -> 27:06.280] I really enjoyed that.
[27:06.800 -> 27:07.880] It really was.
[27:07.920 -> 27:14.080] But I think it also illustrates one of the worst things about this race, which
[27:14.120 -> 27:21.680] is the powerful DRS drag down to turn four, absolutely ruining people working
[27:21.680 -> 27:25.400] very hard to make overtakes into turn one.
[27:25.400 -> 27:31.700] And lest you think me, non-racer, making this complaint, I do believe it was Leclerc complaining
[27:31.700 -> 27:36.480] about it bitterly on the radio, is, is we do all this work to catch someone over the
[27:36.480 -> 27:42.040] whole lap, then they get DRS down to turn four and all of our work is essentially wasted.
[27:42.040 -> 27:46.320] I do believe that they did not have the DRS properly tuned
[27:46.320 -> 27:48.720] for the way the cars were running at this race.
[27:48.720 -> 27:55.200] I just want to help out any of our newer listeners or fans of the sport who have joined in the
[27:55.200 -> 28:03.120] last few years with Carl's reference to Verstappen 94 because, um, it, was it 94 you said?
[28:03.120 -> 28:07.280] Sorry, it was 94 when it had the huge crash with Brundle down there uh
[28:07.280 -> 28:11.680] when he was in the thing and also it was 2001 when he went into the back of Montoya and okay so
[28:11.680 -> 28:15.280] there's a lot of people thinking why would the current champion be crashing into the commentator?
[28:15.280 -> 28:20.960] Sorry Jos Verstappen not Max. Yes there we go i just wanted to point out it was Max's dad and yeah
[28:20.960 -> 28:26.360] i didn't even tag i didn't even um notice you said 94. I just knew that you were talking about Yoss
[28:26.360 -> 28:28.400] crashing into Montoya at that same corner.
[28:28.400 -> 28:29.880] Go check it out on YouTube.
[28:29.880 -> 28:31.960] Yeah, but I'd say like, this is a track,
[28:31.960 -> 28:33.480] this is a racer's track.
[28:33.480 -> 28:35.320] You know, we really get to see the drivers
[28:35.320 -> 28:36.300] making a difference.
[28:36.300 -> 28:40.520] And like 21, we saw Hamilton in a bit of a rocket ship,
[28:40.520 -> 28:46.720] in the spicy engine that Williams may or may not have helped with the improvements of,
[28:47.280 -> 28:53.280] allegedly. So we saw him pulling off smart overtakes and working his way around people.
[28:53.280 -> 28:59.440] Today though, he was one of the examples where you go, oh, surely he normally races better than
[28:59.440 -> 29:06.240] that. So that first restart, once he'd already got third place before the red flag, it was disappointing
[29:06.240 -> 29:09.080] then to see him lose out to Norris, lose out to Alonso.
[29:09.080 -> 29:13.920] I know it ultimately wouldn't have mattered in the end, but it felt like, I'm not sure
[29:13.920 -> 29:18.560] we are seeing Hamilton at his best when it comes to the wheel to wheel at the moment.
[29:18.560 -> 29:20.880] Is that too harsh, Kyle?
[29:20.880 -> 29:22.080] I don't think so at all.
[29:22.080 -> 29:25.160] I've said this a couple of times, I think, believe on, on
[29:25.160 -> 29:29.920] the show and a lot in our group chat that I think the sort of later career Lewis Hamilton,
[29:29.920 -> 29:35.680] as we've seen from a few sort of clumsy incidents, I definitely don't think he's sharp, as sharp
[29:35.680 -> 29:41.880] as wheel to wheel as 2007, 2008 Hamilton, for instance, and team LH, please don't kill
[29:41.880 -> 29:49.920] me. I do like Lewis, but I think that's just a cold, hard fact that in his later career, he has seemed to have lost a bit of the edge off of his
[29:49.920 -> 29:50.920] wheel-to-wheel capability.
[29:50.920 -> 29:57.400] There was one particular incident, I can't remember if it was after the first or second
[29:57.400 -> 30:02.240] start, but Hamilton just basically left the door open down to turn four.
[30:02.240 -> 30:05.680] And it seemed a moment, I think it was Norris he let back through up the
[30:05.680 -> 30:11.200] inside, and it seemed like it would have just been so easy just to go slightly further left
[30:11.200 -> 30:15.120] and kind of, you don't even have to go all the way to the grass, you just have to not leave a
[30:15.120 -> 30:19.200] full car width. If there's not a full car width space then they can't come down the inside.
[30:19.200 -> 30:24.080] And he just kind of left it open and I appreciate there are reasons for it in terms of you know,
[30:24.080 -> 30:27.040] you don't want to drive on the dirty part of the track if you don't have to and
[30:27.040 -> 30:30.280] ultimately it made no difference to the race result. It's probably better for him
[30:30.280 -> 30:33.240] if anything because he you know he didn't lose time then fighting for
[30:33.240 -> 30:38.560] another few laps but I don't think that was the reason he didn't defend it fully.
[30:38.560 -> 30:43.200] I think in the moment he really wanted to stay ahead so I see a couple of
[30:43.200 -> 30:45.900] things like that where maybe Lewis of the past
[30:45.900 -> 30:47.780] would have just been a bit more ruthless
[30:47.780 -> 30:50.540] and maybe when it comes to the crunch,
[30:50.540 -> 30:52.960] he, you know, if it's a championship fight again,
[30:52.960 -> 30:54.800] maybe he will be a bit more.
[30:55.640 -> 30:58.120] Yeah, but we definitely spoke about a couple of,
[30:58.120 -> 31:02.760] a couple of soft racing situations
[31:02.760 -> 31:05.160] that he could have been maybe slightly harsher with. Yeah.
[31:05.240 -> 31:10.480] And in this race in particular, after their sort of their sprint race and the
[31:10.480 -> 31:16.600] weekend leading up, I think it kind of looked a bit like, he kind of like almost
[31:16.600 -> 31:19.400] knew that they were going to slip back and they were struggling already.
[31:19.400 -> 31:23.800] And even though he wanted to fight, I don't think he was fighting stuff to the
[31:23.800 -> 31:29.080] bitter end, because I think he was kind of resigned to the fact that he was going to slip backwards, so he
[31:29.080 -> 31:30.720] wasn't getting his elbows out fully.
[31:30.720 -> 31:31.720] Jeffery Gigges
[31:31.720 -> 31:37.280] So there's the old joke is, I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever
[31:37.280 -> 31:38.280] was.
[31:38.280 -> 31:44.080] And it may be that Lewis is headed towards that territory, but I'm more of a mind, especially
[31:44.080 -> 31:46.720] because he'd already had a sprint race and run a
[31:46.720 -> 31:55.760] whole 24 laps. He knew very well the car was not correctly set up for this, that he didn't have the
[31:55.760 -> 32:17.000] pace, that the car didn't have the cooling, and I don't think he was going to be looking after anything other than, one, finishing in front of George, and two, not having any kind of an accident towards however high up the grid he could manage to cling on to as he slid back down.
[32:17.000 -> 32:25.580] I mean, the Mercedes was just dreadful in this race, and I think it was a surprise to their engineers as well as their drivers,
[32:25.580 -> 32:26.820] but yeah, they were terrible.
[32:26.980 -> 32:30.140] Well, I think we can save that misery for a little bit later in the show,
[32:30.140 -> 32:34.100] because just to linger a little bit though, Matt, on what a great result
[32:34.100 -> 32:38.180] this must have been for Aston Martin after just negative, negative, negative,
[32:38.180 -> 32:38.620] negative.
[32:39.100 -> 32:39.380] Yeah.
[32:39.380 -> 32:43.340] Well, I mean, the thing you really want to look at is where Stroll finishes.
[32:43.780 -> 32:46.320] Because Alonso will always extract
[32:46.320 -> 32:52.240] the maximum and then convince you that that's 120% of what was actually capable and I think he did
[32:52.240 -> 32:58.240] that today very clearly but if you would stroll finish what fifth I believe I mean the Aston had
[32:58.240 -> 33:03.680] pace for both of their drivers they had the pace in the Sprite I watched I watched the sprint some
[33:03.680 -> 33:08.000] of the timing and the only thing I really remember about the sprint is thinking,
[33:08.000 -> 33:14.160] geez man, the Aston's just, they got the pace over everybody except for maybe Max and Perez and
[33:14.960 -> 33:19.120] possibly one of the other front runners, which, you know, of course over a long race,
[33:19.120 -> 33:24.080] Ferrari never turns up the way you expect. So let's have Brad then, Kyle. Sorry, Brad,
[33:24.080 -> 33:27.160] I thought you had your hand in the air to make an Aston point, but we can
[33:27.160 -> 33:28.160] go to-
[33:28.160 -> 33:30.240] Oh, my point was just, I was saying fifth.
[33:30.240 -> 33:32.280] I was agreeing with Matt that Stroll came fifth.
[33:32.280 -> 33:33.280] I apologise.
[33:33.280 -> 33:37.280] But you saying fifth looks exactly like putting your hand up and going, hey, I'd like a point.
[33:37.280 -> 33:38.280] But I-
[33:38.280 -> 33:39.280] I'm sorry.
[33:39.280 -> 33:40.280] I'll write it on paper next time.
[33:40.280 -> 33:41.280] I'm going to hold up.
[33:41.280 -> 33:42.280] Don't let him off that easy.
[33:42.280 -> 33:43.600] Now he's got to say something nice about Alonso.
[33:43.600 -> 33:44.600] Okay.
[33:44.600 -> 33:48.880] But I know that Kyle was going to big up Lance Stroll today.
[33:48.880 -> 33:53.760] Yeah, well, Lance Stroll over the whole weekend, really, was doing really quite well.
[33:53.760 -> 33:57.920] I mean, on the Friday, he managed to out-qualify Alonso, and it wasn't really spoken about
[33:57.920 -> 34:01.560] that much, but I think he qualified third, they were third and fourth.
[34:01.560 -> 34:05.200] He was somewhat undone in this race by two sets of bad starts.
[34:05.200 -> 34:08.280] I mean, the first start, both Aston's had a terrible getaway.
[34:08.800 -> 34:12.080] Uh, Alonso managed to get a better getaway in the second start.
[34:12.080 -> 34:16.280] Whereas Stroll got another terrible getaway and dropped back down to seventh.
[34:16.560 -> 34:22.000] So to come back to fifth after being compromised for quite a lot at the start
[34:22.000 -> 34:23.880] of the race was actually really quite good.
[34:23.960 -> 34:29.280] I mean, the director, I felt sorry for the St stroll fans. I mean, they, they do exist.
[34:29.280 -> 34:33.920] They are out there. I know of at least one in the wild, which is who is out there. Um,
[34:33.920 -> 34:38.800] I felt sorry for them because the coverage on sky at least managed to miss stroll passing Hamilton
[34:38.800 -> 34:44.160] pretty much completely. And it was only about five laps later when the commentary noticed that it
[34:44.160 -> 34:48.000] actually happened. Oh yeah. Just see it in the foreground when they were looking at the pit lane, you could
[34:48.000 -> 34:52.400] actually see, see, got up the inside of turn one, but Stroll actually, yeah, it just goes to show
[34:52.400 -> 34:59.440] that Aston after taking their upgrades off of the car, has finally, has suddenly started going really
[34:59.440 -> 35:06.080] quick again. And the fact that Stroll was up there on it all weekend, he does have these outliers.
[35:06.080 -> 35:08.640] He does have these super, super good weekends that we've seen.
[35:08.640 -> 35:12.120] I think it was 2020 in Turkey when he was absolutely awesome.
[35:12.120 -> 35:13.120] Hang on.
[35:13.120 -> 35:14.120] No, he just got pole.
[35:14.120 -> 35:15.120] That was it.
[35:15.120 -> 35:16.120] He didn't, didn't he disappear?
[35:16.120 -> 35:20.560] He was leading about two thirds of the race until he got front wing damage and then Plummer
[35:20.560 -> 35:21.560] stuck a stone once he changed tires.
[35:21.560 -> 35:23.280] So I think you're actually, that's not 2022.
[35:23.280 -> 35:24.800] I think that was, that was racing point.
[35:24.800 -> 35:25.360] That was 2020. Yeah, it was racing point. That was 2020.
[35:25.360 -> 35:28.960] Yeah, it was racing point. Oh, sorry. Did you say 2020? Yeah, that was still racing point.
[35:28.960 -> 35:35.200] So, uh, yeah, he qualified on pole and then he dropped back on race pace and then they said
[35:35.200 -> 35:39.200] he had some wing damage. There was no photo of the wing damage. There was no,
[35:39.200 -> 35:41.840] but anyway, there was no witness statement about the wing damage.
[35:42.480 -> 35:45.160] He, he had a fantastic weekend this weekend.
[35:45.160 -> 35:46.120] So yeah, it just goes to show that
[35:46.120 -> 35:48.800] that Aston car was genuinely fast.
[35:48.800 -> 35:50.240] Okay.
[35:50.240 -> 35:54.400] But Brad, I was having a whinge at several shows back
[35:54.400 -> 35:55.220] where I was going, look,
[35:55.220 -> 35:56.760] can we see how badly Stroll's doing?
[35:56.760 -> 35:58.880] But I did say, he's going to have that one result
[35:58.880 -> 36:00.560] where he popped and everyone will go,
[36:00.560 -> 36:03.040] see, what say you now?
[36:03.040 -> 36:04.760] But, and I think that's what we've got.
[36:04.760 -> 36:05.160] I mean,
[36:05.160 -> 36:06.160] he didn't beat his teammate.
[36:06.160 -> 36:12.880] Yes. Okay. So I agree with you. And we do have this phenomenon where Stroll tends to
[36:12.880 -> 36:18.100] maybe get away with underperforming for a really long period of time and then have one
[36:18.100 -> 36:27.520] result in weird circumstances, like qualifying in the damp, where he'll do pretty well, or really decently, like he
[36:27.520 -> 36:33.360] did in that qualifying session this weekend. But then it'll be back to normal soon afterwards.
[36:33.360 -> 36:38.080] And as you said, in the main race, in the main event, he didn't beat his teammate. Although
[36:38.080 -> 36:45.000] for stroll, I was surprised at how close he was to Alonso in the end. That's probably the closest I
[36:45.000 -> 36:50.940] can get to praise for him. The car clearly took a step forward this weekend because of,
[36:50.940 -> 36:56.600] from what I've read, I think this was engine mode 11 I saw on Twitter. He mentioned that
[36:56.600 -> 37:01.300] it seemed that they had a hybrid of their updates this weekend. So they've kind of gone
[37:01.300 -> 37:11.180] backwards in some areas, kept some of the other pieces to try and mix and match the aero that worked. And it seemed to. We'll have to see another
[37:11.180 -> 37:17.680] weekend to know if that's, if it's a trend. But Stroll did better than I thought he would
[37:17.680 -> 37:23.280] do, finished closer to Alonso than I thought he would, but still was a little way off despite
[37:23.280 -> 37:29.120] Alonso having a big fight towards the end. So I can't give him massive praise. They are driving the same car, and there's
[37:29.120 -> 37:35.120] no way he's not getting the same treatment as Alonso. So he's not done a spectacular
[37:35.120 -> 37:36.120] job.
[37:36.120 -> 37:42.880] So before I get too much hate, so I'm obviously downplaying this because I don't want to damn
[37:42.880 -> 37:49.320] Lance Stroll with faint praise. I have the same criticism of people calling this a return to form for Sergio Perez because
[37:49.320 -> 37:53.080] he shouldn't really have been fighting for a podium and finishing fourth. He
[37:53.080 -> 37:56.440] should have been qualifying comfortably second or third on the grid and then
[37:56.440 -> 38:00.520] being maybe a little way behind Verstappen. So I've got exactly the
[38:00.520 -> 38:04.280] same criticism with Perez when people were treating this as, oh he's back,
[38:04.280 -> 38:11.640] oh thank goodness, after you, the troubles he was having was tragic troubles, way away
[38:11.640 -> 38:16.400] from where he's supposed to be. This isn't even where Perez was supposed to be finishing.
[38:16.400 -> 38:21.140] So you know, as a Perez fan, I'm not excited about him nearly finishing third behind a
[38:21.140 -> 38:22.140] slower car.
[38:22.140 -> 38:28.160] Yeah, Perez has effectively lowered his own bar of expectation by being rubbish for ages.
[38:28.160 -> 38:32.720] So now he does a mediocre thing and we're like, yeah, he's fine now.
[38:32.720 -> 38:37.120] So that's the same Kyle. That's what we're doing with Stroll. Sorry, I'm not, you know.
[38:37.120 -> 38:40.640] Yeah, yeah. It's just way well done. He's had a great result because he's done the bare
[38:40.640 -> 38:45.440] minimum of what we expected him to do in the first place. Yeah, ish, but
[38:45.440 -> 38:49.800] it's not often that we can say good race Lance, is it? So I'm going to say good race Lance.
[38:49.800 -> 38:51.760] Just to please the stroll fan.
[38:51.760 -> 38:57.320] Yeah, that's what I'm like with my least favourite kid when they just scrape a C and you go,
[38:57.320 -> 39:02.200] okay, well done, well done. And then it's okay, because I've got the good one. So that's
[39:02.200 -> 39:07.000] fine. All right, we can't go too much further without going to the top two, Matt.
[39:07.000 -> 39:08.760] Was there even a glimmer?
[39:08.760 -> 39:09.760] Was there even a moment?
[39:09.760 -> 39:11.280] There was two little moments.
[39:11.280 -> 39:16.440] One where Verstappen forgot that he was meant to be, you know, he accidentally nearly got
[39:16.440 -> 39:18.400] into a race there for a second.
[39:18.400 -> 39:21.920] And then the other moment was when Norris came out on softs and he suddenly banged in
[39:21.920 -> 39:26.560] a 1.112, you know, two seconds faster than Verstappen.
[39:26.560 -> 39:31.360] And I guess the other half moment was when he was leading and had a little bit of a safety
[39:31.360 -> 39:35.560] car window where you go, ooh, Piastri's at the back doing nothing.
[39:35.560 -> 39:38.320] Maybe, maybe he parks up somewhere.
[39:38.320 -> 39:41.320] But yeah, was there ever really a fight?
[39:41.320 -> 39:43.480] Yes, there was.
[39:43.480 -> 39:48.640] It did not last long. It was like a Mike Tyson special over in 30 seconds.
[39:48.640 -> 39:49.840] I'm glad that's the example you chose.
[39:49.840 -> 39:56.000] So Mike Tyson is a boxer who was renowned for knocking people out in the first round back,
[39:56.000 -> 40:00.960] in the way, way back times, kids. Just take my word for it, or go watch him in his fights,
[40:00.960 -> 40:06.260] because he was really incredible in his prime. But yeah, no, there was.
[40:06.260 -> 40:11.560] This is actually, aside from I think Singapore, was it where Red Bull got everything completely
[40:11.560 -> 40:12.560] wrong?
[40:12.560 -> 40:17.480] I think this is the first time we have seen a genuine attempt to take the lead away from
[40:17.480 -> 40:28.080] Max in a fair fight on a dry track by a car that wasn't also driven by a Red Bull driver. And it was remarkable to see
[40:28.720 -> 40:32.960] Norris put that pressure on him. I think he could have put more pressure on him. I think if they
[40:32.960 -> 40:37.200] both crashed out, that would have been okay too. Would have been interesting in a different way.
[40:37.200 -> 40:46.320] But in the end, Norris knew that he didn't quite have the pace. What really struck me about this, and I had it as lap eight where he got his closest,
[40:46.960 -> 40:54.880] is having gotten that close, it was almost four laps before his tires and car recovered enough
[40:55.920 -> 41:01.200] that he could actually begin to maybe try and pressure Max again. And therein, I think,
[41:01.200 -> 41:10.880] lies the difference between the Red Bull right now and the McLaren. To me, McLaren is clearly the second-best car right now, in the hands of Norris. Piastri's still learning,
[41:10.880 -> 41:16.000] we'll give him that. But in the hands of Norris, it is the closest thing we are going to see
[41:16.640 -> 41:21.680] to a Red Bull beater till the end of the year and the start of next season, when everyone gets a
[41:21.680 -> 41:26.800] chance to erase what they think they were mistakes and show up with some new stuff to impress us.
[41:26.800 -> 41:29.800] Jason Valee Yeah, it was, um, I was quite surprised by
[41:29.800 -> 41:33.800] that, because as you say, you, it was like Mike Tyson, well, and almost like a Prince
[41:33.800 -> 41:36.040] Naseem Hamid, who's a boxer from a different era.
[41:36.040 -> 41:38.760] Richard Gere Does no one have a more up to date boxing
[41:38.760 -> 41:39.760] reference?
[41:39.760 -> 41:40.760] Jason Valee Yeah.
[41:40.760 -> 41:47.380] So, yeah, when Norris actually got close, I thought Max was almost intentionally not
[41:47.380 -> 41:49.080] pushing too hard in the opening laps.
[41:49.080 -> 41:52.760] I think he was kind of doing a bit of a carrot dangle for his mate and trying to make it
[41:52.760 -> 41:54.360] a bit more entertaining.
[41:54.360 -> 41:58.340] And then Norris got a little bit too close and Max is like, Oh, sod this now I'm taking
[41:58.340 -> 41:59.340] my sweets and whoops.
[41:59.340 -> 42:01.880] And I'm, yeah, and I'm going home and he just checked out.
[42:01.880 -> 42:05.960] He just sort of went, but as Matt was saying, it took Norris four laps to recover.
[42:05.960 -> 42:10.040] He may have just been, like, spamming his battery to try and get that close, to get
[42:10.040 -> 42:13.000] that one little sniff, and then he needed four laps of recovery.
[42:13.000 -> 42:14.320] Oh, Matt then, Brad?
[42:14.320 -> 42:15.320] Oh, yeah.
[42:15.320 -> 42:16.720] No, I completely agree.
[42:16.720 -> 42:22.960] I'm pretty sure they just said, let's bet it all on red 38 kids.
[42:22.960 -> 42:28.420] And it was black 37, but it was very very close and then and then
[42:28.420 -> 42:31.160] that was pretty much the end they knew at that point they weren't going to
[42:31.160 -> 42:36.560] really be able once he lost ERS it was kind of all all over they had exactly
[42:36.560 -> 42:39.560] one shot they played their best card and it was a pretty good card it was very
[42:39.560 -> 42:48.600] entertaining made the eighth lap of the race great to watch but what I do want want to bring up, you know, you say that Max was dangling.
[42:48.600 -> 42:53.120] What was interesting to me was that when Max ran the sprint race, and I remember this from
[42:53.120 -> 42:58.240] the radio calls, he was being told to manage in turns six and seven.
[42:58.240 -> 43:02.480] But it seemed like very much today in the race that it was turns 11 and 12 that were
[43:02.480 -> 43:05.680] really causing the problems for people's tires.
[43:05.680 -> 43:09.920] And again, if we go back to where Alonzo was able to make the difference with Perez,
[43:10.480 -> 43:17.680] that's where your better tire managers were able to eke out some of those really important tents
[43:17.680 -> 43:23.040] over the course of the whole race. And to an extent, that's what we saw with Max. Max had
[43:23.040 -> 43:26.720] a car that made that more possible than Lando did.
[43:26.720 -> 43:30.280] So I'm really hoping that McLaren continue on this,
[43:30.280 -> 43:33.440] because if they keep this trajectory up,
[43:33.440 -> 43:36.640] we're going to see some epic battles next season.
[43:36.640 -> 43:38.760] Yeah, I was actually going to pretty much echo
[43:38.760 -> 43:43.120] what Matt and Kyle said about the Lando Max scenario.
[43:43.120 -> 43:46.720] What we were seeing was a Red Bull that was kind of chilling out
[43:46.720 -> 43:52.760] and a McLaren on full attack at that point. And that meant they were roughly equal for
[43:52.760 -> 43:57.960] a moment and then that fizzled out pretty quickly. But that turns 11 and 12 point that
[43:57.960 -> 44:04.800] Matt brought up, you heard that with the Mercedes drivers where Russell was on the radio asking,
[44:04.800 -> 44:06.160] effectively asking the team to tell
[44:06.160 -> 44:12.400] Hamilton to back off a bit more, manage more in turns 11 and 12 because he wasn't able to keep up
[44:12.400 -> 44:16.000] through there and so Hamilton was pulling away too much and obviously Russell wanted to stick in his
[44:16.000 -> 44:21.440] DRS so I think that was a key part of the track for the management. The guys who could manage
[44:21.440 -> 44:26.000] their tyres well there and maintain a high speed were really getting a benefit.
[44:26.000 -> 44:33.000] Alright, I'm going to drop down the order just a little bit. I don't really want to, but we're going to.
[44:37.000 -> 44:43.000] Stupid W14. Always making me sad. Always making me and Bradley sad.
[44:43.000 -> 44:45.760] We were so sure, Brad, we were so sure
[44:45.760 -> 44:50.640] that there was going to be a Mercedes challenge. But basically, before we get into the driver's
[44:50.640 -> 44:55.600] side of it, inherently, well, in fact, let's go with the drivers. We'll start with you. Matt,
[44:55.600 -> 45:03.120] what was inherently wrong with the Mercedes this weekend? Yes. No, okay. Okay, good. Any advice?
[45:04.080 -> 45:05.500] The setup was wrong.
[45:05.500 -> 45:07.100] The downforce levels were wrong.
[45:07.200 -> 45:11.000] The cooling seemed like it was wrong to even though they were able to adjust it.
[45:11.000 -> 45:15.000] I actually had a thought and wondered if that was maybe not ultimately again related
[45:15.000 -> 45:20.100] to the non-zero pods concept being hung on a zero pods frame.
[45:20.100 -> 45:21.300] There may just be limits.
[45:21.400 -> 45:26.240] The track temperature was the ambient temperature was 7 degrees c cooler
[45:26.240 -> 45:32.720] The track temperature was still like 47 or 48 during the race. So they got no benefit
[45:32.800 -> 45:37.760] No help at all in managing the tires and then weirdly the tires for everyone
[45:38.400 -> 45:42.160] Just really didn't work at all with this track
[45:42.240 -> 45:45.520] I don't know if there was just a lack of evolution or the big rainstorm
[45:46.160 -> 45:52.720] washed away all the rubber that might have helped them, but it's weird the medium tire in Brazil
[45:52.720 -> 45:59.440] being worse than the soft tire in heat like this. So yeah, I don't know, a lot and none of it did
[45:59.440 -> 46:05.620] they get right. Let's go to Kyle. Yeah, so with the car and particularly after what happened
[46:05.620 -> 46:08.940] in the previous sprint weekend in Kota,
[46:08.940 -> 46:12.860] I think this looked like the car just operating completely
[46:12.860 -> 46:14.900] outside of its window where it needs to operate.
[46:14.900 -> 46:18.540] Toto said that they were slow on the straights
[46:18.540 -> 46:20.380] and they were slow in the corners, they were sliding around.
[46:20.380 -> 46:24.460] So I think Mercedes may have built in a bit of extra caution
[46:24.460 -> 46:25.760] on their ride height
[46:25.760 -> 46:30.480] to preserve the plank after what happened to them in Kota and the car just never got
[46:30.480 -> 46:35.320] inside its correct operating window. And you get that one session on a sprint weekend with
[46:35.320 -> 46:40.240] next to no time, you've got to do a few laps. You can't make that many mechanical changes.
[46:40.240 -> 46:44.660] You make, and then you take a bit of a punt, you know, between qualifying starting and
[46:44.660 -> 46:45.040] that's it. If you don't get that punt or your guesst of a punt, you know, between qualifying, starting, and that's it.
[46:45.040 -> 46:49.040] If you don't get that punt or your guesstimation right, you're outside of the window.
[46:49.040 -> 46:53.120] So they, they clearly have cooling issues, which Mercedes traditionally have always
[46:53.120 -> 46:54.080] seemed to struggle with cooling.
[46:54.080 -> 46:57.040] Even before in the previous rule set, Mercedes always seemed to be a bit
[46:57.040 -> 46:58.720] vulnerable when it was super hot.
[46:58.720 -> 47:02.080] So of course you open up the cooling, bigger vents means more drag.
[47:02.080 -> 47:05.360] The concept is quite draggy anyway. As Matt said,
[47:05.360 -> 47:11.920] this is side pods bolted on to a no side pod concept chassis. So they may have lost a bit
[47:11.920 -> 47:16.000] of rotation that they had last year where they still had the no side pods. It's a bit of a
[47:16.000 -> 47:19.680] hodgepodge of a car. So yeah, it looked, it was just never got in this operating window
[47:19.680 -> 47:23.120] and then destroyed the tires. So they were all, they just looked like lamps to the slaughter
[47:23.120 -> 47:26.640] really. When anyone got anywhere near them, they were just sitting ducks.
[47:26.640 -> 47:32.240] Joey Amilton after the race was quoted as saying, and this is obviously, I'm paraphrasing,
[47:32.240 -> 47:37.840] but he basically said they had no grip from the floor. The floor wasn't working. So they
[47:37.840 -> 47:42.560] bolted on a load of downforce and that meant they were really slow on the straights. And they still
[47:42.560 -> 47:50.240] didn't really have much grip even with that. So I think it was just a whole culmination of various things. And if they had an opportunity
[47:50.240 -> 47:56.560] to go back and adjust the setup, they maybe would have chosen a different compromise because it
[47:56.560 -> 48:00.400] can't have been much worse, but the one they selected definitely didn't work.
[48:00.400 -> 48:04.880] So I only caught it briefly, you know how quickly like our streams and our Slack group and the
[48:04.880 -> 48:07.340] Twitter flies by, but I did catch something where they said
[48:07.340 -> 48:12.220] perhaps because it was sprint weekend again, they went a little bit higher because they
[48:12.220 -> 48:17.240] were paranoid about falling for the plank regulation. Yeah, again, like they did in
[48:17.240 -> 48:20.600] Mexico when they had more practice sessions, they could be more sure, but they didn't want
[48:20.600 -> 48:29.220] to risk a disqualification. But to be honest, I mean, they may as well have done. Well, what did they gain? So for the, what did Hamilton get? Four points or
[48:29.220 -> 48:33.820] three points for finishing? Four points for finishing eighth. Then you go, well, they
[48:33.820 -> 48:37.780] may as well have rolled the dice. And maybe Toto Wolff was correct in Cota when he said,
[48:37.780 -> 48:41.700] well, I wouldn't do things differently because we went for it and it didn't work out. But
[48:41.700 -> 48:48.480] then when there was the opportunity to do something the same or do it differently, they instantly have gone then for the different, if I've got this
[48:48.480 -> 48:55.560] right. So yeah, very, very conservative, like you said, Red Bull, Singapore-esque type performance.
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[50:04.280 -> 50:09.040] Whilst Lewis Hamilton seemed to have a fairly sensible race, managing his tyres and managing
[50:09.040 -> 50:16.280] his temperatures, George Russell took a very different approach. And I think this is optically
[50:16.280 -> 50:20.520] a bad race for George Russell. I think he hasn't come across well. It sounded like
[50:20.520 -> 50:30.720] he perhaps lost the confidence of the pit wall a little bit. It was very aggressive and passive aggressive and he seemed to get it very, very wrong. So Brad, am I
[50:30.720 -> 50:35.760] being harsh when I say George Russell really got this race wrong in a lot of ways?
[50:35.760 -> 50:39.760] Well, in the sprint race he seemed to get it more right. In the sprint race he seemed
[50:39.760 -> 50:47.440] to have the pace over Hamilton on one stint on the softs. But as you pointed out yesterday,
[50:47.440 -> 50:50.200] it's not the same when you're running on full tanks
[50:50.200 -> 50:51.880] and you've got a longer race to run.
[50:51.880 -> 50:55.720] And Hamilton does seem to excel at this particular thing,
[50:55.720 -> 50:57.580] knowing exactly how to treat the tires
[50:57.580 -> 51:01.280] to make them last as well as they can over a stint.
[51:01.280 -> 51:02.880] Although obviously today it was rubbish.
[51:02.880 -> 51:06.460] He was less rubbish than Russell in terms of, you know,
[51:06.460 -> 51:09.240] the performance of the car and driver combined.
[51:09.240 -> 51:13.960] And Russell seemed to, he seemed to feel like he,
[51:13.960 -> 51:15.480] he should either be let through,
[51:15.480 -> 51:18.280] so he'd have the clean air and he could go,
[51:18.280 -> 51:20.720] or he needed Hamilton to drive in a very specific way
[51:20.720 -> 51:24.040] to give him just enough slipstream and DRS,
[51:24.040 -> 51:25.720] but also not hold him up in the wrong
[51:25.720 -> 51:28.960] places. He needed something very particular whilst Hamilton was kind of just getting on
[51:28.960 -> 51:33.580] with his own race, managing his own temperatures, managing his own tires, and obviously doing
[51:33.580 -> 51:39.340] it in a way that ended up being slightly better because when Russell did eventually get passed
[51:39.340 -> 51:45.520] by other teams, competitors, he fell away. When he wasn't being helped along by Hamilton,
[51:46.080 -> 51:51.600] he always seemed to drop back significantly. And it did look like, and this is a trend we see with
[51:51.600 -> 51:56.880] Russell, maybe he was taking more out of his tyres at the beginning of the stint, working them harder,
[51:56.880 -> 52:02.000] maybe this is because he was in dirty air as well for much of the race, and then not having as much
[52:02.000 -> 52:09.800] left towards the end and then falling back even further. So I think Russell, Russell didn't come across brilliantly, but I don't think
[52:09.800 -> 52:14.440] it's any different to how he's come across in other similar, similar situations. Suzuka,
[52:14.440 -> 52:19.280] where, you know, his, his radio was something like, you know, am I fighting, are we fighting
[52:19.280 -> 52:20.760] each other or, or the others?
[52:20.760 -> 52:24.840] Yeah. And he said that today, he did that today. Oh, I'm not gonna, he started off all
[52:24.840 -> 52:25.000] generous, didn't he? I'm. Oh, I'm not going to...
[52:25.000 -> 52:26.000] He started off all generous, didn't he?
[52:26.000 -> 52:27.000] I'm not going to fight.
[52:27.000 -> 52:29.080] I'm a pretty chill guy.
[52:29.080 -> 52:33.560] And then a lap later, hey, thinking about it, maybe we should, you know, do the old
[52:33.560 -> 52:35.240] switcheroo.
[52:35.240 -> 52:40.520] With that, I actually think his radio message was misunderstood again by Sky.
[52:40.520 -> 52:45.120] When he come on and he was giving this feedback and he goes, look, we're really,
[52:45.760 -> 52:51.360] I'm really struggling here. I'm having to push so hard in turns 11 and 12, which is the penultimate
[52:51.360 -> 52:56.640] corner and the final corner. The ones on the pit straight don't really count. So that's really high
[52:56.640 -> 53:00.960] load, you're killing your front and your rear tires having to push really hard in there. So
[53:00.960 -> 53:05.520] and then the Sky commentary kind of picked up on that as he was being asked to being
[53:05.520 -> 53:11.680] let through. But what he actually said was, I'm having to push so hard in terms 11 and 12, that
[53:11.680 -> 53:16.880] Lewis needs to do more management in that in those corners, or I get let ahead. So what he was
[53:16.880 -> 53:22.640] actually saying was, I'm struggling to stay in his DRS zone. He, Lewis is pushing too hard in these
[53:22.640 -> 53:25.160] corners, I even need to be ahead or Lewis
[53:25.160 -> 53:29.360] needs to back off a bit more so I don't have to push so hard through 11 and 12 because
[53:29.360 -> 53:33.680] I'm killing my tyres trying to stay in DRS zone. So it was actually the opposite of what
[53:33.680 -> 53:37.360] a lot of people thought he said. He was saying like, he's struggling to hang on. Either let
[53:37.360 -> 53:42.200] me through or make sure Lewis backs off a little bit more because I can't manage my
[53:42.200 -> 53:43.200] tyres.
[53:43.200 -> 53:47.280] But that still sounds like a trick to get let through though. That still sounds like
[53:47.280 -> 53:47.840] let me through.
[53:48.560 -> 53:52.640] A little bit, but he was saying well the only other alternative would be to let me through,
[53:52.640 -> 53:57.840] but I cannot look after my tires. And then Lewis, as soon as Russell did drop out of Lewis's DRS
[53:57.840 -> 54:00.560] zone, he got absolutely munched by the cars behind.
[54:00.560 -> 54:06.440] But on the medium stint though, why I'm not quite on board with that, I still think he
[54:06.440 -> 54:11.440] was trying to get let ahead, was that period of silence where he then said, well, I haven't
[54:11.440 -> 54:15.880] said anything on the radio because I would think it would be pretty obvious, guys. You're
[54:15.880 -> 54:18.000] obviously meant to be letting me through.
[54:18.000 -> 54:19.000] Brad?
[54:19.000 -> 54:26.240] Yeah, so I have a bit of an opinion on this, which is, I like Russell and I think he's great. And I think I've
[54:26.240 -> 54:32.960] been pretty consistent in that view, but in these situations where you're on a long stint and he
[54:32.960 -> 54:37.120] happens to catch Hamilton, it doesn't happen all the time, but sometimes you have a situation like
[54:37.120 -> 54:41.920] on the mediums today where he does catch up and today he didn't say anything. And he had that
[54:41.920 -> 54:45.120] kind of passive aggressive stylegressive style radio transmission
[54:45.120 -> 54:49.200] that you just mentioned, you know, I haven't said anything because I thought it was obvious.
[54:49.200 -> 54:49.680] Yeah.
[54:49.680 -> 54:55.920] He seems to forget that Hamilton, in general, will still be going quicker towards the end of the
[54:55.920 -> 55:02.000] stint than he will. It's like he, there's a reason you've caught him up and that's because soon
[55:02.640 -> 55:06.320] you won't be able to stick with him. You know, as this stint progresses,
[55:06.320 -> 55:10.680] the reason you've caught him is because you've taken too much out of your tires in this stint.
[55:10.680 -> 55:14.880] He's preserved them. He's driven in a way which means he's going to be able to go quicker at the end of the stint.
[55:14.880 -> 55:20.200] And maybe think about that rather than, he's just holding me up for whatever reason.
[55:20.200 -> 55:29.520] That's something I've seen a few times with George this season. Well, I kind of love this because one of the things about this particular circuit is it's
[55:29.520 -> 55:35.240] incredibly difficult for tire management. You have a lot of stress on a front tire and you
[55:35.240 -> 55:42.040] have an immense amount of stress on your rear tires. And so it really does start to show up
[55:42.040 -> 55:47.040] who's gotten on top of managing them throughout the entirety of the
[55:47.040 -> 55:52.480] lap and is able to keep all of these parameters, including the engine cooling, which is an issue
[55:52.480 -> 55:58.400] for Mercedes as well that we mentioned. And it's just like, it's like a cooking show I watched
[55:58.400 -> 56:04.000] once in which a talented cooking student and a professional chef cook the same dish and gradually
[56:04.000 -> 56:05.520] the student's dish falls apart while the professional chef cook the same dish and gradually the student's dish falls
[56:05.520 -> 56:10.480] apart while the professional chef's obviously comes together perfectly and at the end he
[56:10.480 -> 56:17.280] basically patiently explains, well if you go back and look at the size of your veg you've chopped
[56:17.280 -> 56:22.640] them quite inconsistently and that led to the downfall of your entire thing. Russell's race
[56:22.640 -> 56:29.840] didn't fall apart because he's a terrible racer, because he has no talent. It's just because he hasn't quite mastered the art of chopping his
[56:29.840 -> 56:38.160] veg at exactly the same size as Lewis very clearly has. Okay, but that's quite a major flaw, really,
[56:38.160 -> 56:42.720] isn't it? Because he's not a rookie. So when you say, oh, he's gonna, he'll get the hang of it
[56:42.720 -> 56:46.160] eventually, he's been at a top team for
[56:46.160 -> 56:52.080] multiple years, and he had multiple years before that in Formula One. It seems weird that we get
[56:52.080 -> 56:58.240] to this point and he's pushing very hard early in the stint, and then kind of being surprised he's
[56:58.240 -> 57:04.080] not being allowed through, and seeming to ignore calls for... and I see if I've misinterpreted
[57:04.080 -> 57:05.520] this, Kyle, He seemed to be
[57:05.520 -> 57:10.480] ignoring calls to manage. So he said they were telling him to manage more, I think into turn 10.
[57:11.200 -> 57:16.000] Hamilton, I picked up from someone telling me with the radio messages, was managing the
[57:16.000 -> 57:20.560] temperatures from very early on. So I don't know whether that was tyre temperatures or
[57:20.560 -> 57:30.640] engine temperatures, but he was lifting and coasting a lot and not leaning on the tyres and Russell's getting annoyed being held up behind him. So how has he got to this point
[57:30.640 -> 57:35.360] and it seems like such a big fail today that he didn't manage the tyres or the engine temperatures
[57:35.360 -> 57:39.920] and that's just something that most of the top drivers do and do well.
[57:41.360 -> 57:45.840] In George's defence, I think both Mercedes, their backs were up against
[57:45.840 -> 57:47.520] the wall somewhat with the temperatures.
[57:47.560 -> 57:52.040] And he said, Lewis having to manage from quite early on, George was stuck in
[57:52.040 -> 57:56.960] the Lewis train, essentially in that first stint, he had Perez right up his
[57:56.960 -> 58:00.200] chaff and he was stuck behind Lewis and he couldn't do much, so he needed to
[58:00.200 -> 58:01.500] keep pulling out of the slipstream.
[58:01.500 -> 58:04.960] But if he pulled out of the slipstream, he'd leave himself vulnerable to Perez.
[58:08.480 -> 58:14.320] So he was kind of, he was kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place really. His only other option was to back right off like completely off of Lewis and then he would
[58:14.320 -> 58:19.760] have been passed anyway so I'm not sure what much more he could have done really. I think
[58:20.320 -> 58:26.440] both Mercedes were on the edge on on overheating issue, and we never actually saw Hamilton
[58:26.440 -> 58:28.000] following other cars.
[58:28.000 -> 58:31.340] So he never actually was in that situation when he was stuck in the train.
[58:31.340 -> 58:35.120] So we don't know if his temperatures would have got that critical as well.
[58:35.120 -> 58:40.280] But in George's defense, I'm not sure he could have done too much more on temperature management.
[58:40.280 -> 58:41.280] He was a bit screwed.
[58:41.280 -> 58:44.920] Okay, I'm fairly sure Brad has an opinion for us here.
[58:44.920 -> 58:49.680] I agree with Kyle. I just wanted to say as a Mercedes well-wisher, you know, in general,
[58:49.680 -> 58:57.240] I'm kind of pro-Mercedes. I always am filled with dread when I see Russell start a stint ahead of
[58:57.240 -> 59:01.760] Hamilton for whatever reason, if he's outqualified him or whatever. Generally when they qualify,
[59:01.760 -> 59:07.800] if one outqualifies the other, it's quite close. But if Russell's the one ahead in a race stint,
[59:07.800 -> 59:08.640] I'm always thinking,
[59:08.640 -> 59:11.640] ah, he's probably going to be in the way at some point.
[59:11.640 -> 59:14.840] We saw it in Singapore when towards the end of the race,
[59:14.840 -> 59:17.540] there was that final stint when Hamilton started off
[59:17.540 -> 59:18.380] a bit more gently,
[59:18.380 -> 59:20.380] Russell went absolutely flat out at the beginning.
[59:20.380 -> 59:22.100] And then as it got towards the end of the race,
[59:22.100 -> 59:24.020] before Russell clipped the barrier,
[59:24.020 -> 59:27.880] Hamilton had closed right in and looked to probably be the more competitive car at the
[59:27.880 -> 59:32.160] end. And every time there's a situation where is Russell in front, for whatever reason,
[59:32.160 -> 59:36.120] you know, he's always there legitimately, he's done a better job at a different phase
[59:36.120 -> 59:41.520] of the weekend if he's in that position. But I'm always frustrated because I think when
[59:41.520 -> 59:49.440] it comes to the racing side, Hamilton is the one that just, for whatever reason, has got the tire management sussed. And for modern Formula 1,
[59:49.440 -> 59:53.600] with this generation of cars, he just seems to have the better race management.
[59:54.160 -> 59:59.600] Years and years and years of experience is probably going to be my response to that one.
[59:59.600 -> 01:00:04.320] But speaking of race experiences, we've been talking about Mercedes,
[01:00:04.320 -> 01:00:09.500] which had a fairly miserable race experience, but that was nothing compared to Ferrari.
[01:00:10.200 -> 01:00:10.500] All right.
[01:00:10.500 -> 01:00:11.500] So who had the worst?
[01:00:14.600 -> 01:00:15.200] All right.
[01:00:15.400 -> 01:00:18.500] So tell me now, gentlemen, who had the worst race?
[01:00:18.800 -> 01:00:20.500] Leclerc or Sainz?
[01:00:20.700 -> 01:00:23.600] Because Sainz actually had to finish the race in a Ferrari.
[01:00:25.400 -> 01:00:28.720] It's got to be. It's got to be Paul, Paul Charles, isn't it?
[01:00:28.720 -> 01:00:33.840] I mean, I mean, when he did, when it happened, I did think, Oh no, Paul
[01:00:33.840 -> 01:00:37.880] Charles goes, he's going to miss his opportunity to slip back through the
[01:00:37.880 -> 01:00:42.720] grid and finish a very unsatisfactory, unsatisfactory fifth or sixth after
[01:00:42.720 -> 01:00:44.000] some bad strategy calls.
[01:00:44.000 -> 01:00:45.800] And he was denied that opportunity.
[01:00:46.000 -> 01:00:48.440] He was robbed that opportunity by the hydraulics failure.
[01:00:48.640 -> 01:00:52.560] And instead he passed the slip back misery baton over to Mercedes.
[01:00:53.000 -> 01:00:58.360] But actually, Sainz, I thought had a pretty strong race considering the Ferrari.
[01:00:58.760 -> 01:01:01.140] Did not look like a great car this weekend.
[01:01:01.140 -> 01:01:05.920] So he actually fought his way back to sixth, I think, but he was started ninth.
[01:01:05.920 -> 01:01:12.480] So actually, science did, science did all right, but yeah, what an absolute disaster for, for
[01:01:12.480 -> 01:01:17.760] Charles Leclerc, but actually I think he was spared a rather frustrating slip down the field drive,
[01:01:17.760 -> 01:01:18.240] personally.
[01:01:18.240 -> 01:01:18.880] So-
[01:01:18.880 -> 01:01:22.720] Come on, Brad, make the Ferrari fans feel better here. Say something nice.
[01:01:23.280 -> 01:01:26.120] Oh, okay. Leclerc didn't make a mistake.
[01:01:26.120 -> 01:01:27.160] That's something nice.
[01:01:27.160 -> 01:01:28.480] When I first saw him in the barrier,
[01:01:28.480 -> 01:01:30.120] I thought, oh my goodness,
[01:01:30.120 -> 01:01:32.480] he's lit the rears up on the warmup lap
[01:01:32.480 -> 01:01:34.680] and just lost it and found his way to a barrier.
[01:01:34.680 -> 01:01:36.960] I mean, the barriers are quite far from the track,
[01:01:36.960 -> 01:01:38.560] most of the way around into Lagos.
[01:01:38.560 -> 01:01:41.160] So it would have been a bit of a big job
[01:01:41.160 -> 01:01:43.520] to hit that wall just from a mistake,
[01:01:43.520 -> 01:01:46.000] but it wasn't that at all. And the moment
[01:01:46.000 -> 01:01:50.180] we heard him say hydraulics on the radio, then you could go back and watch his onboard
[01:01:50.180 -> 01:01:55.600] from the replays, it became quite clear what had happened. He basically had a hydraulic
[01:01:55.600 -> 01:02:00.700] failure on his approach to whatever that uphill double right-hander is called. His steering
[01:02:00.700 -> 01:02:05.120] went heavy, that kind of put him offline, started to lose the rear, and in his
[01:02:05.120 -> 01:02:09.840] words he then, the rear locked up or there was something strange with the engine. Probably,
[01:02:09.840 -> 01:02:15.360] as Kyle mentioned in our chat, the diff locked up or some system that's controlled by hydraulics,
[01:02:15.360 -> 01:02:22.400] you know, locked up and failed. And he also didn't have the steering feel or weight or power to
[01:02:22.400 -> 01:02:27.920] correct it easily, not that it would have really mattered because it was already broken, then he found his way to the wall so yeah i think you're right it's
[01:02:27.920 -> 01:02:31.440] probably spared a bit of an annoying race he still would have scored some decent points and he is in
[01:02:31.440 -> 01:02:36.320] a bit of a fight with Sainz in the championship you know they're not that many points apart from
[01:02:36.320 -> 01:02:41.360] each other what is it 20 or so points um so it does look like Sainz is the one that's going to
[01:02:41.360 -> 01:02:51.520] finish ahead this year though. Kyle? Yeah and what it did kind of deprive us of was if he did start second, I think he probably
[01:02:51.520 -> 01:02:54.780] would have fully, fully tried to send it on Max and try to get ahead.
[01:02:55.180 -> 01:02:59.280] And if he could have, could have jumped Max, then we would have had a bit more of
[01:02:59.280 -> 01:03:02.680] a spicy opening to the race because he would have held him up for a couple of
[01:03:02.680 -> 01:03:06.960] laps and then maybe pushed him back into, into, into Norris.
[01:03:06.960 -> 01:03:08.760] So cause I'm, I fully believe that.
[01:03:08.760 -> 01:03:13.200] I don't think Norris would put, would try to put a rude move onto Max.
[01:03:13.200 -> 01:03:15.200] I don't think he'd dare.
[01:03:15.200 -> 01:03:19.840] So I think Leclerc, who wouldn't matter, I think he would have just fully sent it on
[01:03:19.840 -> 01:03:20.840] Max.
[01:03:20.840 -> 01:03:27.000] And so I was a bit, I did have a bit of a groan when I saw it, because I was like, ah, that's the chance of somebody's really going to get fired to your max.
[01:03:27.000 -> 01:03:31.360] Max has just been given an open goal now just to sort of go, but yeah, poor Charles.
[01:03:31.360 -> 01:03:34.280] And when it actually initially happened, like Brad said, and everyone's going
[01:03:34.280 -> 01:03:37.120] about hydraulic failure and steering, you can see it was because it wasn't
[01:03:37.120 -> 01:03:39.200] something, something locked the rear wheels.
[01:03:39.200 -> 01:03:42.440] Like something went, cause it just snapped on him so quick and he wasn't
[01:03:42.440 -> 01:03:44.920] at full racing speed, but he still went to the barriers pretty hard.
[01:03:44.920 -> 01:03:45.040] So I believe he managed to to the barriers pretty hard.
[01:03:45.040 -> 01:03:47.840] So I believe he managed to start the engine back up
[01:03:47.840 -> 01:03:49.920] using the battery pack and then instantly knew
[01:03:49.920 -> 01:03:51.840] that there was something wrong.
[01:03:51.840 -> 01:03:54.080] But I did like his panics trying to get back to the pits
[01:03:54.080 -> 01:03:55.760] as if he had a chance to restart,
[01:03:55.760 -> 01:03:56.960] which was never going to happen.
[01:03:56.960 -> 01:03:59.440] So Adrian in the chat is just pointing out
[01:03:59.440 -> 01:04:01.120] that Leclerc may have said after the race,
[01:04:01.120 -> 01:04:02.640] it wasn't actually hydraulics.
[01:04:02.640 -> 01:04:04.160] He said it on the radio at the time.
[01:04:04.160 -> 01:04:09.400] Whatever it was, there was some kind of failure which made his steering get heavier and the
[01:04:09.400 -> 01:04:10.400] rear end lock up.
[01:04:10.400 -> 01:04:15.660] So it might not have actually been hydraulics, so for full clarity, but it was some kind
[01:04:15.660 -> 01:04:16.660] of similar failure.
[01:04:16.660 -> 01:04:17.880] All right, Brad.
[01:04:17.880 -> 01:04:25.800] So how do I, as a Leclerc fan, not take personally, the fact that you thought he might have just genuinely
[01:04:25.800 -> 01:04:28.960] crashed the car rather than it being some kind of failure.
[01:04:28.960 -> 01:04:34.960] Because, you know, it doesn't matter who you are on cold tires at the beginning of a race,
[01:04:34.960 -> 01:04:39.480] warming up your car and your tires. People make mistakes. We've seen Verstappen go in
[01:04:39.480 -> 01:04:45.720] the wall in a warm up lap before it happens because the cars are being operated well below what they're
[01:04:45.720 -> 01:04:50.280] designed to be operated at. And sometimes you can get caught out. I think probably every
[01:04:50.280 -> 01:04:54.640] driver on the grid at some point in their, even in their F1 career has probably made
[01:04:54.640 -> 01:04:59.960] a bit of a boo-boo on the way to the grid or on a slow lap in a practice session. So
[01:04:59.960 -> 01:05:05.820] it can happen. And we know that Leclerc, to steal a phrase from a different F1 podcast, we
[01:05:05.820 -> 01:05:08.940] know Leclerc has a bit of a Bozo gene occasionally.
[01:05:11.120 -> 01:05:17.620] This also like crashing on the warmup lap and not making the start is quite, in my
[01:05:17.620 -> 01:05:20.520] memory, at least, is quite a Ferrari sort of thing.
[01:05:20.520 -> 01:05:25.840] So I think back to the warmup lap of Manny Kaur 1996 and Schumacher blowing up in the
[01:05:25.840 -> 01:05:30.960] Ferrari before on the warmup lap, the engine blew up. And then again, on the sighting lap to the
[01:05:30.960 -> 01:05:36.320] grid in China in 2005, Schumacher, I remember having a huge coming together with, I think it
[01:05:36.320 -> 01:05:41.760] was Zoltz Baumgartner in the Minardi and completely wrote his car off on the way to the grid on the
[01:05:41.760 -> 01:05:46.620] sighting lap. So in, in memory, as soon as that happened, I instantly thought of those two.
[01:05:46.620 -> 01:05:50.720] And I can't think of any other sort of teams having, you know, very obviously
[01:05:50.720 -> 01:05:53.060] distinct problems on the way to the grid.
[01:05:53.100 -> 01:05:57.860] But initially when it happened before I saw the replay, I was like, surely
[01:05:57.860 -> 01:06:00.520] not, that must be a mechanical or somebody punted him.
[01:06:00.520 -> 01:06:01.780] I thought maybe somebody had punted him.
[01:06:02.080 -> 01:06:08.040] I, I just didn't think that he could make a mistake like that. But as you said, Bozo Gene, good dude.
[01:06:08.040 -> 01:06:14.280] Kyle, being sensible and appeasing the Leclerc, Stan Fossey. I like that. I do recall, I think
[01:06:14.280 -> 01:06:18.880] there was one maybe in Russia where someone just absolutely sent it into the side of the
[01:06:18.880 -> 01:06:22.680] wall, maybe behind the safety car or something like that. I think it's easier to do in a
[01:06:22.680 -> 01:06:30.320] Formula One car than a lot of people realize because of the enormous power to weight ratio. It's well over one horsepower per kilogram.
[01:06:30.880 -> 01:06:35.120] And so like, all you got to do is like sneeze when you're trying to be gentle on the throttle
[01:06:35.120 -> 01:06:38.640] and you're suddenly pointed the wrong direction and headed towards flames. Brad?
[01:06:38.640 -> 01:06:44.000] Yeah. And what most people who haven't driven on slick racing tires probably don't realize
[01:06:44.000 -> 01:06:46.360] is that the difference between cold tires
[01:06:46.360 -> 01:06:51.120] and up to temperature tires is nothing like a road tire.
[01:06:51.120 -> 01:06:52.660] You know, when you leave your house,
[01:06:52.660 -> 01:06:55.360] even if you're in a powerful supercar or something,
[01:06:55.360 -> 01:06:57.640] your road tires operate immediately,
[01:06:57.640 -> 01:07:00.560] or at least even on the sportiest possible road tire,
[01:07:00.560 -> 01:07:03.280] they operate with a little bit of temperature in.
[01:07:03.280 -> 01:07:06.960] Whereas a slick F1 tyre is absolutely terrible
[01:07:06.960 -> 01:07:12.680] when it's cold. Even though it's an amazing tyre in about two minutes time, at the moment you give
[01:07:12.680 -> 01:07:18.360] it some beans when it's cold, you may as well just have stone tyres on. Anyway, that's why it's
[01:07:18.360 -> 01:07:26.420] possible. That could have been a mistake. Speaking of losing control of your car. We do have one more whose fault is it?
[01:07:28.420 -> 01:07:29.060] I'm gonna stay out of this one
[01:07:36.500 -> 01:07:38.500] All right. So in the qualifying we had an incident between was it the sprint qualifying? I think it was the sprint qualifying It's not a qualifying
[01:07:39.980 -> 01:07:41.980] Shut up all of it
[01:07:44.660 -> 01:07:48.200] In the Shut up all of it Link shoot out. It's not a qualified in the shootout qualifying region of France in the shootout
[01:07:48.580 -> 01:07:52.620] Norris got and they were very careful actually on the team radio not to say you got pole
[01:07:52.660 -> 01:07:55.780] You know they well done you got in fact this was quite an interesting side
[01:07:55.780 -> 01:08:00.880] No, they go you got p1 and Norris went on that felt terrible that lap felt awful
[01:08:00.880 -> 01:08:04.420] Like he had no idea he was on p1 and it was the same on Friday as well
[01:08:04.420 -> 01:08:05.040] I think
[01:08:05.040 -> 01:08:11.120] with Verstappen finishing P1 in Q2, he also thought he'd had a terrible lap and he ended up
[01:08:11.120 -> 01:08:15.200] in P1. So interesting that, you know, these tyres that the drivers were complaining about this
[01:08:15.200 -> 01:08:21.280] weekend never delivered something satisfying even though it was fast. But Ocon seemingly lost
[01:08:21.280 -> 01:08:25.000] control and speared into Fernando Alonso.
[01:08:25.560 -> 01:08:27.520] And I thought this was going to be no debate,
[01:08:27.520 -> 01:08:29.120] but all over social media,
[01:08:29.120 -> 01:08:32.920] there has been fierce debates about whose fault it was.
[01:08:32.920 -> 01:08:35.320] Alonso staying out of the way,
[01:08:35.320 -> 01:08:38.000] Haab maybe in the middle-ish of the track,
[01:08:38.000 -> 01:08:41.320] and then Ocon ended up kind of having a big moment
[01:08:41.320 -> 01:08:42.800] and spearing into Alonso.
[01:08:42.800 -> 01:08:43.800] Where do we start with this?
[01:08:43.800 -> 01:08:49.440] Because Brad, I thought it was so just obvious that Ocon had made a mistake and crashed into a slow car.
[01:08:49.440 -> 01:08:54.760] Okay, let's give the full context, kind of almost as it happened. So the first view I
[01:08:54.760 -> 01:08:59.880] certainly saw of this, I think the first view everyone saw, was Alonso's on board, where
[01:08:59.880 -> 01:09:04.160] my initial reaction was, ooh, Alonso's just turned into Ocon. It's definitely Alonso's
[01:09:04.160 -> 01:09:08.980] fault. You then saw Ocon's on board, and it became immediately clear that he'd had a big swapper
[01:09:08.980 -> 01:09:13.860] on the kerb on the exit of the Senna S and he'd effectively walked his car into the path
[01:09:13.860 -> 01:09:19.040] of Alonso. So Alonso was staying out of the way knowing cars were coming, although he's
[01:09:19.040 -> 01:09:23.240] not obliged to stay as far away as possible, he doesn't have to drive up next to the barrier,
[01:09:23.240 -> 01:09:25.920] he just has to leave enough room for the car to come through
[01:09:25.920 -> 01:09:29.120] and effectively not get in their way, not impede them.
[01:09:29.120 -> 01:09:31.200] He left way more than a car's width,
[01:09:31.200 -> 01:09:32.560] a car and a half's width.
[01:09:32.560 -> 01:09:36.380] And at the moment he expected Ocon to be just driving around
[01:09:36.380 -> 01:09:38.540] on the normal line, a bit tight to the inside
[01:09:38.540 -> 01:09:41.000] by the white line of the exit of the center S's
[01:09:41.000 -> 01:09:42.680] on that long left-hander.
[01:09:42.680 -> 01:09:45.040] At that exact moment, Ocon then ran wide,
[01:09:45.040 -> 01:09:50.240] he got sideways, corrected it, and that walked him to the right. And Alonso, at that very moment,
[01:09:50.240 -> 01:09:54.560] had chosen to just tighten his line slightly because he assumed there would be enough room
[01:09:54.560 -> 01:09:59.360] that he could just stay off the fully dirty part of the track. And the next thing he knew,
[01:09:59.360 -> 01:10:03.360] a car had completely wiped out his front left suspension, and he was thinking,
[01:10:03.360 -> 01:10:06.480] what on earth just happened?
[01:10:09.600 -> 01:10:14.800] That wasn't the view of Ocon though. That isn't what he thought. So Matt, that's fine. We're all allowed to be fans of people, but Matt, you're not alone.
[01:10:14.800 -> 01:10:18.560] A lot of people sort of try to blame Alonzo a little bit for that.
[01:10:18.560 -> 01:10:28.680] Well, I mean, so the interesting thing about this discussion is how much margin does the non-hot-lapping
[01:10:28.680 -> 01:10:32.200] driver leave for the hot-lapping driver.
[01:10:32.200 -> 01:10:39.040] Now, to follow up with what Brad has said, his assessment of it was exactly my assessment.
[01:10:39.040 -> 01:10:46.180] He got inside over the curbs, lost the rear, caught it, and into Alonzo he went, who had left enough
[01:10:46.180 -> 01:10:48.440] room for a car to go by.
[01:10:48.440 -> 01:10:53.760] And then today I saw more people putting out video evidence that showed that it really
[01:10:53.760 -> 01:11:00.320] did look like Alonzo had collected the car prior to contact with Alonzo.
[01:11:00.320 -> 01:11:05.840] But the thing that I don't think I shared with the group, but I did go back and look,
[01:11:05.840 -> 01:11:11.200] is because I did remember seeing an onboard shot on the replay of Alonso turning pretty hard to
[01:11:11.200 -> 01:11:15.680] the left, and by hard I'm going to very specifically describe that he turned his
[01:11:16.240 -> 01:11:27.680] steering wheel perpendicular to the asphalt. And he actually did that the same second that he had contact with Alcon.
[01:11:27.680 -> 01:11:33.360] Now, I'm still not assigning blame yet, but if we go and do look at the stewards,
[01:11:33.360 -> 01:11:37.600] who assigned no blame to either party, which is very boring for us, I know.
[01:11:37.600 -> 01:11:38.480] Yes, we can ignore that.
[01:11:38.480 -> 01:11:47.240] They mentioned very clearly this narrowing of the gap by Alonzo as being part of the reason why neither driver was
[01:11:47.240 -> 01:11:49.440] wholly or predominantly to blame.
[01:11:49.440 -> 01:11:56.120] And it brings up this thorny question of how much deference, how much margin should you
[01:11:56.120 -> 01:12:01.880] as a non-hot lapping driver really leave for the hot lapping driver?
[01:12:01.880 -> 01:12:03.000] So I have a couple of points.
[01:12:03.000 -> 01:12:07.080] The first one is actually going to be in defense of Ocon and probably Matt's position.
[01:12:07.080 -> 01:12:07.720] Stop.
[01:12:07.720 -> 01:12:09.120] Stop.
[01:12:09.120 -> 01:12:12.440] When you watch the pole lap, oh, hang on.
[01:12:12.440 -> 01:12:13.320] The P1.
[01:12:13.320 -> 01:12:16.560] The sprint shootout P1 lap from Norris.
[01:12:16.560 -> 01:12:21.240] Norris uses a bunch of curb at that same corner,
[01:12:21.240 -> 01:12:26.180] also gets oversteer, and also walks the car slightly wide. So there
[01:12:26.180 -> 01:12:31.020] is an argument to say that it's not completely out of the question that a normal exit to
[01:12:31.020 -> 01:12:35.280] that corner can involve some oversteer and running slightly wide. But my counter to my
[01:12:35.280 -> 01:12:40.940] own point there is, when you overlay that amount of oversteer, which is even that is
[01:12:40.940 -> 01:12:46.300] not normal, that you'd say that wasn't desirable from Norris. He didn't want that to happen.
[01:12:47.200 -> 01:12:48.920] If you overlay that with what Ocon did,
[01:12:48.920 -> 01:12:52.160] Ocon ran so wide that I think regardless
[01:12:52.160 -> 01:12:56.920] of Alonso turning left just before the contact,
[01:12:56.920 -> 01:12:58.520] I think they were still gonna make contact.
[01:12:58.520 -> 01:13:01.760] I think Ocon would have still slammed into the front of it.
[01:13:01.760 -> 01:13:03.560] It might've just been, you know,
[01:13:03.560 -> 01:13:05.440] half a meter further towards the front of Alonso's car. been, you know, half a meter further towards the front
[01:13:05.440 -> 01:13:08.160] of Alonso's car, so maybe you just would have wiped off his front wing or something. But
[01:13:08.800 -> 01:13:15.520] I can't see any real way that unless there is a predefined specific amount of room you have to
[01:13:15.520 -> 01:13:21.200] leave for a driver on a hot lap, which is two car widths or something like that, if we go by
[01:13:21.200 -> 01:13:25.600] precedent, which is you just have to leave enough room so you don't impede them
[01:13:25.600 -> 01:13:28.840] on their normal lap, then it's Ocon's fault.
[01:13:28.840 -> 01:13:32.880] And I don't really buy into Ocon's description of what happened.
[01:13:32.880 -> 01:13:35.360] You can say, yes, I saved it, but that doesn't matter.
[01:13:35.360 -> 01:13:39.520] You could save it and prevent the car spinning or going in the barriers and go all the way
[01:13:39.520 -> 01:13:40.640] to the edge of the track.
[01:13:40.640 -> 01:13:44.680] But there are often cars minding their own business at the edge of the track, getting
[01:13:44.680 -> 01:13:49.920] out of your way. Go on Kyle, last one. Yeah, so yeah again in Ockhans defense
[01:13:49.920 -> 01:13:54.840] I think he's frustrated that Alonso was just there, he was probably slightly distracted.
[01:13:54.840 -> 01:13:58.040] You could argue that if Alonso wasn't there he wouldn't have made the mistake and gone
[01:13:58.040 -> 01:14:06.640] wide and hit the kerb. Alonso was trying to leave as little room as he could. But as Jose Kruijk has just put into
[01:14:06.640 -> 01:14:12.720] our group chat, you can clearly see there's quite a lot of room for Ocon there. Now, with this case
[01:14:12.720 -> 01:14:16.880] of drivers giving the bare amount of minimum room, there is a very good reason why they don't want
[01:14:16.880 -> 01:14:21.200] to do that. None of them want to run really far offline when they're trying to prepare for a lap
[01:14:21.200 -> 01:14:29.120] and get their tires dirty. So Alonso, think was realizing he was running quite wide onto the dirty stuff and wanted to pinch it a little bit, thinking
[01:14:29.120 -> 01:14:35.840] Ocon's got the car collected up. Now, if Alonso wasn't there and Ocon had the same moment, I
[01:14:35.840 -> 01:14:41.200] truly believe he would have been out near the white line in turn three and would have aborted
[01:14:41.200 -> 01:14:49.360] the lap anyway, because he would have had to completely get out of it. So I think his lap was ruined. Anyway, I think he was just a bit frustrated
[01:14:49.360 -> 01:14:55.200] with his old chum, Fernando, and know them to have got previous beef. And, and it was
[01:14:55.200 -> 01:14:59.120] just unfortunate that it was there. So I think it was the right decision not to penalize
[01:14:59.120 -> 01:15:03.640] anybody. But it may be something to keep an eye on moving forward of the Yeah, how do
[01:15:03.640 -> 01:15:13.040] you quantify how much room should be left? So if I may just follow up, the factual point I want to make is that
[01:15:13.040 -> 01:15:19.360] having looked at the onboard pictures, Ocon's steering wheel was pointed in a direction to head
[01:15:19.920 -> 01:15:25.600] around the turn at the point they made contact. And it was Okon's rear wheel, not his front wheel.
[01:15:25.600 -> 01:15:33.360] So the entirety of the front part of his car cleared Alonso's car. And Alonso was turning
[01:15:33.360 -> 01:15:39.600] left into his path. So I will put it into the plausible, he might not have cleared him anyway.
[01:15:39.600 -> 01:15:47.920] We don't really know. But the reason I want to bring this up, sorry, the reason I want to bring this up is nothing to do with defending Ocon here.
[01:15:48.560 -> 01:15:56.320] But we also in that same session heard both Logan Sargent and Charles LeClerc complain about cars
[01:15:56.320 -> 01:16:03.120] moving at the last minute leaving very little room for them to go through. Now maybe this is
[01:16:03.120 -> 01:16:06.160] just the case where F1 TV had nothing better to do
[01:16:06.160 -> 01:16:11.680] during a red flag, so they went and found this, and it's always been going on. But I would suggest
[01:16:11.680 -> 01:16:18.160] that, perhaps, since the drivers seem like they're starting to play games with how much room they
[01:16:18.160 -> 01:16:23.840] leave for each other, maybe that's something the FIA needs to take a little look at to prevent
[01:16:23.840 -> 01:16:25.780] incidents like this from happening.
[01:16:25.780 -> 01:16:28.620] Okay, Brad, very last point.
[01:16:28.620 -> 01:16:32.060] Honestly, this has gotten way too much time in the show.
[01:16:32.060 -> 01:16:36.340] I've been watching back the replay on my phone because I have the replay I can slow down
[01:16:36.340 -> 01:16:37.340] and view in detail.
[01:16:37.340 -> 01:16:43.860] And I actually want to back up Matt and say that it's conceivable that without Alonzo's
[01:16:43.860 -> 01:16:48.160] final bit of left turning at the end, Ocon may have
[01:16:48.160 -> 01:16:52.680] cleared the front of him. But I'd also say that it's not clear and he may well have still
[01:16:52.680 -> 01:16:53.680] hit him.
[01:16:53.680 -> 01:16:56.040] It's in that zone where it's just really hard to tell.
[01:16:56.040 -> 01:17:06.800] All right, let's move on to the podium of a very, very long Brazilian Grand Prix weekend where we are now going to award the points
[01:17:06.800 -> 01:17:14.440] for where not won and lost the Missed Apex Award and the Good Thing Award. Now, I will
[01:17:14.440 -> 01:17:21.080] say that I think this weekend went on too long. I think of the sprint weekends we've
[01:17:21.080 -> 01:17:26.800] had, this is the first one where just the amount of F1 and stuff
[01:17:26.800 -> 01:17:29.560] has made me less excited about Sunday.
[01:17:29.560 -> 01:17:30.800] I've spoken about a theory.
[01:17:30.800 -> 01:17:31.680] The first one?
[01:17:31.680 -> 01:17:33.040] Yeah, because I've spoken in the past about.
[01:17:33.040 -> 01:17:33.880] Not for me.
[01:17:33.880 -> 01:17:35.200] Okay, yeah, yeah, I know a lot of people
[01:17:35.200 -> 01:17:37.920] got there quicker, but I'm obsessed
[01:17:37.920 -> 01:17:39.400] like a puppy dog with F1.
[01:17:39.400 -> 01:17:42.800] And I've sort of, I've had this theoretical point
[01:17:42.800 -> 01:17:45.200] at which I might be less excited about the Sunday
[01:17:45.200 -> 01:17:51.600] because of the sprint weekends and I was fearing it and I finally got to it this Sunday and I think
[01:17:51.600 -> 01:17:57.200] it might be actually because there was quite a bit of action in the sprint race and then there's two
[01:17:57.200 -> 01:18:02.560] qualifying sessions where things happened like Arkon deliberately being at fault and smashing into
[01:18:02.560 -> 01:18:06.320] Alonso but by the time the race started today,
[01:18:06.320 -> 01:18:09.160] that heart rate thing, that boom, boom at the lights out,
[01:18:09.160 -> 01:18:10.760] it just wasn't there today.
[01:18:10.760 -> 01:18:12.280] And I'm gutted about that.
[01:18:12.280 -> 01:18:13.600] And I'm getting some nods here.
[01:18:13.600 -> 01:18:16.720] Like we're all super passionate, obsessed F1 fans.
[01:18:16.720 -> 01:18:19.800] And today was, I felt a little bit numb.
[01:18:19.800 -> 01:18:21.120] Yeah.
[01:18:21.120 -> 01:18:23.400] Watching all of the hoedown, showdown,
[01:18:23.400 -> 01:18:25.200] whatever it was called on Saturday.
[01:18:25.200 -> 01:18:31.000] Yeah, I found myself not really paying attention to it that much.
[01:18:31.000 -> 01:18:31.500] It was on.
[01:18:31.500 -> 01:18:34.600] I felt like I was watching it because I had to because it's now a
[01:18:34.600 -> 01:18:35.400] competitive session.
[01:18:35.400 -> 01:18:37.700] I had to watch it because I'm a Formula 1 fan.
[01:18:37.700 -> 01:18:38.500] No, you can't miss it.
[01:18:38.500 -> 01:18:42.400] So obviously I'm increasing the TV figures, which seems to be the
[01:18:42.400 -> 01:18:42.800] metric.
[01:18:42.800 -> 01:18:45.280] Yeah, yeah, I'm watching it, but I'm
[01:18:45.280 -> 01:18:48.080] not really paying attention. I was talking to you guys in WhatsApp, I think, and then
[01:18:48.080 -> 01:18:54.560] it was over. And I was like, oh, the hoedown's over, or whatever it is. And I'm just like,
[01:18:54.560 -> 01:19:03.680] right, okay. That's gone. And I was not actually taking in what was actually happening. And
[01:19:03.680 -> 01:19:06.600] too much of a thing makes that thing not so good.
[01:19:06.680 -> 01:19:07.800] Our parents were right.
[01:19:07.800 -> 01:19:08.960] It's too much ice cream.
[01:19:09.360 -> 01:19:10.000] Yeah, exactly.
[01:19:10.000 -> 01:19:13.520] And for me, the race, and I've said this on this show countless times,
[01:19:13.520 -> 01:19:17.600] I'll say it again, Grand Prix, big prize, the clues in the name.
[01:19:17.640 -> 01:19:19.120] It's all about the big race.
[01:19:19.160 -> 01:19:22.360] I just want to pause there because I realise I'm into my thing that...
[01:19:22.880 -> 01:19:25.040] Oh no, you missed the apex!
[01:19:25.040 -> 01:19:28.960] That missed the apex, that didn't quite work. So my thing that missed the apex was the sprint
[01:19:28.960 -> 01:19:32.800] weekend making the whole weekend as a whole less special, Brad.
[01:19:32.800 -> 01:19:36.560] Yeah and as you know I've had a bit of a two and
[01:19:36.560 -> 01:19:39.920] bro with some F1 media people this weekend.
[01:19:39.920 -> 01:19:45.480] Yes, Mr Chandhok was actually very... he took a lot of time to have a reasoned debate with
[01:19:45.480 -> 01:19:50.300] you both publicly on Twitter and I know via private message as well. So it was a genuine
[01:19:50.300 -> 01:19:53.120] and really good faith debate with Mr Chanduk.
[01:19:53.120 -> 01:19:59.840] Yeah, I wanted to be careful to not come across aggressive or anything. I initially thought
[01:19:59.840 -> 01:20:08.800] he... I felt a bit attacked because he basically replied to a post that I'd written with something
[01:20:08.800 -> 01:20:11.280] that I hadn't really said, so I felt the need to defend myself.
[01:20:11.280 -> 01:20:14.880] Oh, he said, no, he did say, he said, oh, so you're saying that the sprint race was
[01:20:14.880 -> 01:20:16.280] a rubbish race, were you?
[01:20:16.280 -> 01:20:19.880] So initially that was a little bit of a straw man argument.
[01:20:19.880 -> 01:20:24.740] But the thing I'd been putting across on social media was that all the F1 media, everyone
[01:20:24.740 -> 01:20:25.100] who's
[01:20:25.100 -> 01:20:29.640] in the paddock, at the races, is defending the sprint races hard. And the big line that's
[01:20:29.640 -> 01:20:33.520] been coming across is, well, this is better than a practice session. Yes, obviously, it's
[01:20:33.520 -> 01:20:39.120] better than a practice session. But the argument has been that it's making the overall product
[01:20:39.120 -> 01:20:44.520] less good. But they have honed in on this. And I imagine if you're working there, and
[01:20:44.520 -> 01:20:45.120] you have to pay attention to every single imagine if you're working there and you have to pay
[01:20:45.120 -> 01:20:49.040] attention to every single session because you're working, then yes, I can imagine practice, practice,
[01:20:49.040 -> 01:20:53.440] practice gets boring and it would be a relief to have an extra bit of the race. But you know,
[01:20:53.440 -> 01:20:59.280] I'm a TV fan. Yeah, and so first of all, better than a practice session is subjective anyway,
[01:20:59.280 -> 01:21:04.160] because I like the practice sessions for what they are. I like that I can casually listen to it. You
[01:21:04.160 -> 01:21:08.320] know, you can be doing something else and have it on in the background. So for me, actually
[01:21:08.320 -> 01:21:12.960] a mandatory watching session that, and you can say, Oh, go, don't bother watching it
[01:21:12.960 -> 01:21:18.400] then. But when it's a point scoring session, that's crucial to the context of the weekend,
[01:21:18.400 -> 01:21:25.480] you can't not watch it. So for me, it's not better, but if we say better in terms of viewer figures, that's
[01:21:25.480 -> 01:21:27.360] inarguable.
[01:21:27.360 -> 01:21:28.480] But that's not really the question.
[01:21:28.480 -> 01:21:34.320] The question is, does it make the main product worse, as you've said a number of times?
[01:21:34.320 -> 01:21:39.820] Is it worth having a session that's better than an alternative session if the main session
[01:21:39.820 -> 01:21:41.320] is detracted from?
[01:21:41.320 -> 01:21:42.840] And that was the discussion I was having with Karun.
[01:21:42.840 -> 01:21:47.680] And I think we will probably share a similar opinion on here, which is, and I agree with you, this is one
[01:21:47.680 -> 01:21:52.560] of the first weekends, even sprint weekends, where I've really had my viewership of the
[01:21:52.560 -> 01:21:58.360] Sunday race dulled, really dull. You know, I was not as excited today as I should have
[01:21:58.360 -> 01:22:04.560] been because I knew a little bit about what was probably going to happen. And, and it
[01:22:04.560 -> 01:22:05.520] kind of did play out like that.
[01:22:05.520 -> 01:22:08.320] We knew Mercedes were going to have pretty poor pace
[01:22:08.320 -> 01:22:10.400] and that's exactly how it turned out.
[01:22:10.400 -> 01:22:13.520] It's, it was as we predicted.
[01:22:13.520 -> 01:22:18.520] And so, yeah, I agree with your apex missing vote.
[01:22:19.120 -> 01:22:20.600] Well, I'm just curious,
[01:22:20.600 -> 01:22:23.200] since we have unlimited time here on the show.
[01:22:23.200 -> 01:22:24.360] No, go on.
[01:22:28.640 -> 01:22:34.800] Whenever I look at this, I always feel that ultimately this comes down to mainly a scheduling issue. As in, there's a lot more you have to pay
[01:22:34.800 -> 01:22:40.480] attention to across the weekend, and it demands a much bigger time commitment if you're not a
[01:22:40.480 -> 01:22:47.980] casual fan. If you're a casual fan, it's probably not that much different. You watch what you want to watch, and you watch the race on Sunday, and then you catch
[01:22:47.980 -> 01:22:50.380] up highlights, whatever you want to watch.
[01:22:50.380 -> 01:22:57.260] And so I'm curious if this proposal to have the qualifying Friday afternoon and the sprint
[01:22:57.260 -> 01:23:10.800] race Saturday morning, then regular Saturday qualifying and Sunday race will actually possibly make the two able to coexist in a less annoying
[01:23:10.800 -> 01:23:11.800] fashion.
[01:23:11.800 -> 01:23:12.800] Yeah.
[01:23:12.800 -> 01:23:16.400] I know people say, yeah, if you loads of comments to me were saying, well, if you don't like
[01:23:16.400 -> 01:23:17.400] it, just don't watch it.
[01:23:17.400 -> 01:23:22.920] But that's no, if you have like a 20 minute pre show of the Game of Thrones episode that
[01:23:22.920 -> 01:23:28.640] you want to watch on Friday, but you've got to tune in on Thursday to that 20 minutes that's got plot. I'm not going to
[01:23:28.640 -> 01:23:34.080] miss an episode of F1. I want to know what's happening. I think one point, one bad argument
[01:23:34.080 -> 01:23:37.760] that I've been seeing is there's been lots of polls that have gone out that have said,
[01:23:37.760 -> 01:23:49.800] right, do you want the sprint race to be binned, or would you like the sprint race to be kept as it is, or would you like a magical third option which solves all the problems?
[01:23:49.800 -> 01:23:57.600] And in those polls, the magical third option, that no one is actually saying specifically what it is, and we don't know if it would work,
[01:23:57.600 -> 01:24:02.000] that gets a kind of like, okay, well, I guess we're stuck with sprint races, so, you know, let's just see.
[01:24:02.000 -> 01:24:05.840] But any poll that says, the sprint race yes or no or
[01:24:05.840 -> 01:24:11.520] sprint weekend or regular weekend, regular weekend wins. Like every poll I've seen, show me one where
[01:24:11.520 -> 01:24:16.000] it's a straight yes no where it's been less than kind of you know 80 percent you know towards let's
[01:24:16.000 -> 01:24:20.960] just have the races as we... Red Bull are pushing hard as well, Verstappen's pushing hard, Horn is
[01:24:20.960 -> 01:24:30.320] pushing hard saying let's just have regular weekends. It is just the media side and the broadcaster that is seeing that magic viewing figure. Right, that's my missed
[01:24:30.320 -> 01:24:35.840] Apex award. Yes, I get that. So let's run a little bit quicker through these. Let's see,
[01:24:35.840 -> 01:24:40.080] Kyle, what missed the Apex for you? There are several. I'm not going to do
[01:24:40.720 -> 01:24:51.520] the guy's name. I was just about to make an awful pun out of, which I'm not going to do. I'm going to do the TV direction got my back up, missed the apex for me. Basically three occasions
[01:24:51.520 -> 01:24:57.440] where there was a battle coming out of the pits and somebody rejoining. Unfortunately, the director
[01:24:57.440 -> 01:25:02.400] was completely averse to showing the battle or just wasn't understanding the concept of somebody's
[01:25:02.400 -> 01:25:06.160] rejoining the pits. We really need to see them rejoining the track because this is a crucial
[01:25:06.420 -> 01:25:07.900] whether they get out in front.
[01:25:07.900 -> 01:25:12.600] It happened to against with Ham and Hamilton and Perez, Alonso and
[01:25:12.600 -> 01:25:17.520] Perez and Stroll and Sainz and they missed and all three of them.
[01:25:17.560 -> 01:25:19.760] They went to show something else.
[01:25:19.860 -> 01:25:20.100] Yeah.
[01:25:20.120 -> 01:25:24.640] And whilst I'm ranting about TV direction, can I have a little bit more of a further
[01:25:24.640 -> 01:25:25.200] rant because they do this in every single race and it drives me crazy. And whilst I'm ranting about TV direction, can I have a little bit more of a further rant?
[01:25:25.200 -> 01:25:30.800] Because they do this in every single race and it drives me crazy. It's the standard format of,
[01:25:30.800 -> 01:25:36.480] oh, end of lap two, lap three, let's show you five minutes of really long drawn out replays
[01:25:36.480 -> 01:25:43.440] of something we have seen already. As soon as DRS is enabled, they go to these awful prolonged
[01:25:43.440 -> 01:25:45.800] replays and they show the same clip three
[01:25:45.800 -> 01:25:50.200] or four, three or four different angles, but they're not short little 20 second replays.
[01:25:50.200 -> 01:25:54.600] Oh no, no, no, no, no. They're the full, let's play everything through from everyone's angles.
[01:25:54.600 -> 01:25:57.600] And then let's look at somebody in the crowd. Oh, by the way, oh, we've just missed a load
[01:25:57.600 -> 01:26:01.480] of races and passing. Let's go and now show you replays of them while we're missing more
[01:26:01.480 -> 01:26:09.760] live action. Please stop it. Please stop. Shall we? I want no replays of them while we're missing more live action please stop it please stop it shall we i i want no replays until after lap five at least can we just put a rule in place like just stop it
[01:26:09.760 -> 01:26:14.800] we should rename this to just just the yelling at clouds segment should we right it's kyle's
[01:26:14.800 -> 01:26:22.160] power there we go and brad what missed the apex for you felipe massa not coming to the race this
[01:26:22.160 -> 01:26:25.480] weekend i'm not coming But then turning up anyway.
[01:26:25.480 -> 01:26:27.480] You couldn't pay me to turn up.
[01:26:27.480 -> 01:26:30.600] What, just what an absolute mess that whole situation is.
[01:26:30.600 -> 01:26:32.880] Did you see there was some Brazilian fans there
[01:26:32.880 -> 01:26:35.480] saying like, Hamilton's my favorite Brazilian
[01:26:35.480 -> 01:26:36.520] and stuff like that.
[01:26:36.520 -> 01:26:40.160] I think, I wonder what Bass's reputation now is in Brazil.
[01:26:40.160 -> 01:26:42.360] I think he's thrown away like a lot of love,
[01:26:42.360 -> 01:26:45.440] but I've heard he's like running for parliament or something. So maybe that's all part of it. I think he's thrown away a lot of love, but I've heard he's running for parliament or something.
[01:26:45.440 -> 01:26:52.520] I think he's chosen the wrong time to do this if he's going to do it, because first of all
[01:26:52.520 -> 01:26:58.960] it's way too late and obviously there's a non-case anyway, but Hamilton is super popular,
[01:26:58.960 -> 01:27:04.320] has just been made a citizen of his country, is still an active driver and is still driving
[01:27:04.320 -> 01:27:05.360] well, and half the fans are wearing bright yellow caps and holding up banners about Lewis citizen of his country, he's still an active driver and is still driving well. And you
[01:27:05.360 -> 01:27:09.880] know, half the fans are wearing bright yellow caps and holding up banners about Lewis Hamilton
[01:27:09.880 -> 01:27:16.120] and he chooses that moment to try and get his stolen title back and then turn up in
[01:27:16.120 -> 01:27:20.080] the paddock to kind of, I guess, canvas for support. So he misses my apex.
[01:27:20.080 -> 01:27:22.480] Matt, who missed the apex for you?
[01:27:22.480 -> 01:27:27.920] Well, I was going to go with something different, but I'm being reminded of the fact that we've
[01:27:27.920 -> 01:27:31.760] had yet another spectator invasion of the track.
[01:27:31.760 -> 01:27:33.400] Like the good old days.
[01:27:33.400 -> 01:27:38.920] I'm going to go with, yeah, both the organization security and the spectators who thought it
[01:27:38.920 -> 01:27:41.680] was a great idea to run onto a live track.
[01:27:41.680 -> 01:27:45.520] I think I'll kind of get my missed Apex award because like, please don't do that.
[01:27:45.520 -> 01:27:50.000] I'm not gonna give that to the stewards though. If if spectators want to do an invasion,
[01:27:50.000 -> 01:27:55.120] there's an invasion happening. Hands up if you've ever invaded a sporting event at the end of the thing.
[01:27:55.280 -> 01:27:57.280] Yeah, me and Kyle. I knew it would be me and Kyle.
[01:27:57.760 -> 01:27:59.040] Go on then, what's yours Kyle?
[01:27:59.040 -> 01:28:04.420] I have actually invaded, but I've also been a marshal at the MotoGP trying to hold back like
[01:28:05.760 -> 01:28:09.840] 40,000 fans on Crater Curbs and we had race control screaming, I said, do not let these people on,
[01:28:09.840 -> 01:28:16.800] trust me. We have thousands of fairly well oiled and inebriated bike vans, literally
[01:28:16.800 -> 01:28:21.360] blasting a fence down in front of you. I was like, yeah, you crack on guys. I ain't going to stop
[01:28:21.360 -> 01:28:26.480] them. So I feel sorry for the circuit workers and the track, because when there's a force of a crowd like that
[01:28:26.480 -> 01:28:27.520] and they're coming through,
[01:28:27.520 -> 01:28:29.680] you ain't doing much to stop them.
[01:28:29.680 -> 01:28:31.080] Mine was a Colchester United match
[01:28:31.080 -> 01:28:32.920] and they came over the tannoy and it was like,
[01:28:32.920 -> 01:28:34.400] you know, it was a cup game.
[01:28:34.400 -> 01:28:36.400] And they came over the tannoy to say,
[01:28:36.400 -> 01:28:38.080] and there'd never really been pitch invasions.
[01:28:38.080 -> 01:28:39.600] They came over the tannoy to say,
[01:28:39.600 -> 01:28:40.520] we just want to be clear
[01:28:40.520 -> 01:28:42.280] that you shouldn't do a pitch invasion.
[01:28:42.280 -> 01:28:43.320] And everyone was like muttering,
[01:28:43.320 -> 01:28:44.840] like, ah, that's a brilliant idea.
[01:28:44.840 -> 01:28:48.960] We hadn't even thought of that. So we all just like stormed the pitch at the end.
[01:28:48.960 -> 01:28:52.480] But apparently here I think the race wasn't quite finished, yeah so please don't do that,
[01:28:52.480 -> 01:28:57.440] but it was normal. Silverstone, you used to get pitch track invasions all the time. You'd have
[01:28:58.080 -> 01:29:02.640] Nigel Mansell like punching spectators left and right just to get back to park vermin.
[01:29:02.640 -> 01:29:13.760] All right then, let's end very quickly then with our Good Thing Award. Why don't we always do it this way around? It's obviously much nicer to end
[01:29:13.760 -> 01:29:19.120] on the Good Thing. Like it's obviously nicer. Good. All right, let's see. Good Thing Award to
[01:29:19.120 -> 01:29:27.440] me I'm going to give it to Yuki Tsunoda for his dodging of the tyre and really taking a safe approach.
[01:29:27.440 -> 01:29:32.320] I think you could actually see him going, I'm going to get through this, I'm going to make it,
[01:29:32.320 -> 01:29:37.280] and he did better than Ricciardo because Ricciardo didn't avoid the tyre. That's 2-0 to
[01:29:37.280 -> 01:29:42.400] Tsunoda since his comeback. Okay, let's go to Brad. Brad, what's your good thing award?
[01:29:42.400 -> 01:29:44.480] Brad Shipp Thank you. You've made this easier for me
[01:29:44.480 -> 01:29:45.280] because I only
[01:29:45.280 -> 01:29:50.480] have one thing on my list. I didn't have many massive positives from this weekend but I did
[01:29:50.480 -> 01:29:57.760] really enjoy Alonso repassing Perez at the end so that the Alonso-Perez battle is my good thing of
[01:29:57.760 -> 01:30:03.360] the weekend. And Brad you can be found on your YouTube channels, search for Bradley Philpott
[01:30:03.360 -> 01:30:06.960] YouTube and go follow Brad on Twitter, because Brad has absolutely
[01:30:06.960 -> 01:30:10.240] zero filter from his brain to your Twitter feed.
[01:30:10.240 -> 01:30:12.840] So is it at Brad Philpott?
[01:30:12.840 -> 01:30:14.920] It's at Bradley Philpott on Twitter.
[01:30:14.920 -> 01:30:17.120] And if you just search for Brad Philpott on YouTube,
[01:30:17.120 -> 01:30:20.320] you'll see all my latest videos, including teaching novices
[01:30:20.320 -> 01:30:22.800] how to drive around the Nürburgring in three days
[01:30:22.800 -> 01:30:29.520] in ridiculously fast cars, and some go-karting that me and a couple of other panelists have been up to in the last few months.
[01:30:29.520 -> 01:30:33.520] All the links to our panel will be in the show notes below. Kyle Power,
[01:30:33.520 -> 01:30:39.280] going to get your Good Thing Award. Now, Kyle, we have embarked on a doomed podcast project. I love
[01:30:39.280 -> 01:30:45.280] a doomed podcast project. We've committed to producing four MotoGP race reviews.
[01:30:45.920 -> 01:30:51.920] Indeed, for the final four races of this season, we also have some ideas for some off-season
[01:30:51.920 -> 01:30:56.640] content. So if it starts getting some legs and we start getting some good listenings and some nice
[01:30:56.640 -> 01:31:02.960] feedback, then we'll be much more inclined to make some off-season content and then maybe going to
[01:31:02.960 -> 01:31:08.960] next year, because the end of this MotoGP championship has been absolutely enthralling and we'd like to get people
[01:31:08.960 -> 01:31:13.560] like yourself, I don't think we'll ever convert Brad, I think he's, I don't think we could
[01:31:13.560 -> 01:31:17.740] ever do that but we'd love to get some two-wheeled virgins along to actually
[01:31:17.740 -> 01:31:24.320] watch some of it with us and you know and enjoy it. So next Tuesday we
[01:31:24.320 -> 01:31:26.540] should have the review
[01:31:26.540 -> 01:31:29.180] of the Malaysian Moto Grand Prix out ready
[01:31:29.180 -> 01:31:31.340] for your Tuesday morning commute.
[01:31:31.340 -> 01:31:33.420] So do tune in and give it a listen
[01:31:33.420 -> 01:31:36.280] and give bikes a try, they're not that scary.
[01:31:36.280 -> 01:31:41.020] I actually would really like to just try a MotoGP race
[01:31:41.020 -> 01:31:43.980] just to then either appear on the podcast
[01:31:43.980 -> 01:31:45.040] or talk to Kyle about it.
[01:31:45.040 -> 01:31:46.560] Yeah, please. We can try. We can all try.
[01:31:46.560 -> 01:31:50.560] I know I'm going to hate it. I know it's not for me, but I'd love to just try it because
[01:31:50.560 -> 01:31:51.920] I know Kyle loves it so much.
[01:31:51.920 -> 01:31:56.320] And just so you know, I'm producing it, but don't worry, I'm not on it. So you don't have
[01:31:56.320 -> 01:32:01.200] to bear me anymore. So go search for Missed Apex MotoGP, or we'll put a link in the show
[01:32:01.200 -> 01:32:05.760] notes below as well. We'll also put the feed link in there so you can add that to your search bar
[01:32:05.760 -> 01:32:07.240] of your podcast app and that would help us.
[01:32:07.240 -> 01:32:10.800] Kyle, who hit the apex for you?
[01:32:10.800 -> 01:32:12.960] Yeah, why don't we call it hit the apex?
[01:32:12.960 -> 01:32:14.160] Why don't we call it good thing?
[01:32:14.160 -> 01:32:15.720] Who hit the apex for you?
[01:32:15.720 -> 01:32:16.560] Jeez.
[01:32:16.560 -> 01:32:18.760] That's really, wow, it's taken all these years.
[01:32:18.760 -> 01:32:19.920] It's only eight years in.
[01:32:19.920 -> 01:32:22.060] Who hit the apex for you, Kyle?
[01:32:22.060 -> 01:32:24.120] I'm actually, I'm gonna give it to Max Verstappen.
[01:32:24.120 -> 01:32:24.960] Cool.
[01:32:24.960 -> 01:32:25.280] For his just general down to earth Verstappen. Cool.
[01:32:25.280 -> 01:32:30.400] For his just general down to earth and honesty about the sprint races. I love the fact that
[01:32:30.400 -> 01:32:34.920] it's just being straight out and is not towing the quite obvious brief that I think the accredited
[01:32:34.920 -> 01:32:39.360] media, even though they're denying it, it's quite obvious that everyone's pushing the
[01:32:39.360 -> 01:32:43.440] same rhetoric, that sprints are amazing and they're the best thing ever. I love the fact
[01:32:43.440 -> 01:32:45.440] that he's just straight out and just swipes them off.
[01:32:45.440 -> 01:32:49.800] It's just like, nope, I really like it, down to earth, so he gets my thing at a weekend.
[01:32:49.800 -> 01:32:51.960] JUSTIN MAYES Matt, who hit the apex for you?
[01:32:51.960 -> 01:32:52.960] I'm trying it out.
[01:32:52.960 -> 01:32:57.880] I don't know, that, like, that wording just is now confusing me infinitely.
[01:32:57.880 -> 01:32:58.880] I don't know what to say.
[01:32:58.880 -> 01:32:59.880] ALICE You know who did?
[01:32:59.880 -> 01:33:00.880] You know who did?
[01:33:00.880 -> 01:33:02.880] And this is gonna make you angry.
[01:33:02.880 -> 01:33:05.000] MATT PEREZ Oh, okay, I'm ready. Perez.
[01:33:05.000 -> 01:33:14.160] Because, unlike everybody else, who was like, oh, he barely met the mediocre expectations
[01:33:14.160 -> 01:33:17.720] of what we have, I have a different view of this.
[01:33:17.720 -> 01:33:31.360] Which is, I see someone who was completely lost with that car, Okay. Okay. Coming back to a point where he can legitimately, sort of, have a battle with Alonso that he
[01:33:31.360 -> 01:33:33.680] might have almost won.
[01:33:33.680 -> 01:33:41.120] And I just feel like, for him and his personal journey, this is another big step forward
[01:33:41.120 -> 01:33:45.200] after Mexico where he just sort of managed to finish a race without any disasters.
[01:33:45.200 -> 01:33:46.160] Brad's dying.
[01:33:47.200 -> 01:33:53.360] Brad is dying. Brad is a driver. But I have seen people get lost in equipment and minutia. We could
[01:33:53.360 -> 01:33:57.040] talk about Daniel Ricciardo at McLaren till the cows come home.
[01:33:57.040 -> 01:33:58.000] Yeah, he got sacked, man.
[01:33:58.560 -> 01:34:01.920] He's found, he's found, he's starting to find his way back.
[01:34:01.920 -> 01:34:02.320] Okay, okay, I've got to push the-
[01:34:02.320 -> 01:34:04.080] And I think he deserves credit for that.
[01:34:04.080 -> 01:34:06.240] I've got to push the bride because he's dying.
[01:34:06.240 -> 01:34:08.000] Sorry, I had to compose myself.
[01:34:08.000 -> 01:34:12.680] I just, I'm not sure if Matt's taking the mickey on him, that's all.
[01:34:12.680 -> 01:34:18.040] Like Perez, he came back, he got on top of the car by finishing 35 seconds behind his
[01:34:18.040 -> 01:34:22.760] teammate and almost finishing third in the most dominant car of all time.
[01:34:22.760 -> 01:34:25.480] Like he should be walking home to at least, you know,
[01:34:25.480 -> 01:34:27.400] 10 seconds behind Verstappen.
[01:34:27.400 -> 01:34:33.000] Anyone who's worth their salt, probably 50% of the grid
[01:34:33.000 -> 01:34:36.480] should be able to get within 15 seconds of Verstappen
[01:34:36.480 -> 01:34:38.080] in that car by the end of a race.
[01:34:38.080 -> 01:34:39.600] I appreciate the effort, Matt.
[01:34:39.600 -> 01:34:40.600] Genuinely, I do.
[01:34:40.600 -> 01:34:43.800] Go and follow Matt at MattPT55 on Twitter.
[01:34:43.800 -> 01:34:45.360] And all the links to everything
[01:34:45.360 -> 01:34:50.100] we've mentioned will magically appear in the show notes somehow, for which I am very grateful, Matt.
[01:34:50.100 -> 01:34:56.540] You can also follow me at SpannersReady and, and please do, as quite a few of you have have done recently, join our
[01:34:56.820 -> 01:34:58.820] patrons by going to patreon.com
[01:34:58.920 -> 01:35:04.320] forward slash missed apex. The patrons are literally the reason we are able to keep doing this
[01:35:05.680 -> 01:35:11.960] uninterrupted and we've been able to do that for the last, this is our ninth season of Myst Apex and
[01:35:11.960 -> 01:35:18.960] our 11th season overall for me and Matt doing podcasts about Formula One. And genuinely
[01:35:18.960 -> 01:35:28.320] the only reason we can do that is because of you. www.patreon.com forward slash missed apex and I think we might do our Vegas
[01:35:28.320 -> 01:35:34.640] review around midday on the Sunday and I think we are going to have a guest host to do a mailbag
[01:35:34.640 -> 01:35:41.360] episode for you next Sunday. I am going to have a week off but wherever I see you next work hard,
[01:35:41.360 -> 01:36:16.560] be kind and have fun. This was MissedApexPodcast. Bradley, do you need the toilet?
[01:36:16.560 -> 01:36:20.560] No, I just want to suggest a tagline for your MotoGP show.
[01:36:20.560 -> 01:36:21.560] Oh, okay.
[01:36:21.560 -> 01:36:26.560] Lean hard, race with a broken limb.
[01:36:30.720 -> 01:36:31.280] MotoGP, missed apex MotoGP. They're not even real cars.
[01:36:36.240 -> 01:36:38.000] I was going to go with, um, let's lean into it, but I don't really understand if the leaning is good. Two wheels are better than none.
[01:36:38.960 -> 01:36:44.640] Yeah, that's a good one. 50% the wheels, 50% the quality.
[01:36:44.640 -> 01:36:46.080] I don't understand bike racing.
[01:36:46.080 -> 01:36:48.840] No, actually, I watched the last race and it was brilliant.
[01:36:48.840 -> 01:36:53.400] It was so much better than what I saw today.
[01:36:53.400 -> 01:36:57.040] It's challenging to be excited about Formula One after watching the MotoGP race.
[01:36:57.040 -> 01:37:00.160] Yeah, the championship's alive, like really, really kicking.
[01:37:00.160 -> 01:37:01.720] Made it into the MotoGP podcast.
[01:37:01.720 -> 01:37:02.720] Stop!
[01:37:02.720 -> 01:37:03.720] We've all got beds to go to.
[01:37:03.720 -> 01:37:05.780] And Kyle did a great job, by the way. I did listen.
[01:37:05.780 -> 01:37:06.620] You're a really good podcast host.
[01:37:06.620 -> 01:37:09.860] I did listen, amazing job on my hosting, my friend.
[01:37:09.860 -> 01:37:11.980] It took me like a day and a half to bring myself
[01:37:11.980 -> 01:37:14.300] to be able to listen to it because I hate myself
[01:37:14.300 -> 01:37:15.980] and want to bury myself into a hole.
[01:37:15.980 -> 01:37:18.300] But it was okay, after fluffing the intro
[01:37:18.300 -> 01:37:19.140] and stuff like that.
[01:37:19.140 -> 01:37:21.100] Oh, hang on, eighth time though, you nailed it.
[01:37:21.100 -> 01:37:23.100] Eighth time, you absolutely nailed it.
[01:37:23.100 -> 01:37:27.280] Yeah, close to perfection on you. I can understand compared to Spanners who
[01:37:27.280 -> 01:37:31.120] always gets the intro perfect every time. Hey, how long has it been since I fluffed
[01:37:31.120 -> 01:37:36.160] the intro? I've done it great and also and also. At least weeks. Kyle, it got to the
[01:37:36.160 -> 01:37:42.000] point where I did this. You are listening to me. I pre-recorded it. I want to get that.
[01:37:42.000 -> 01:37:47.640] Yeah, we can do that but also you had a a fantastic editor, but yeah, it's all good and it will
[01:37:47.640 -> 01:37:53.360] only grow in time. I have ridden bikes before and I always thought I was really leaning
[01:37:53.360 -> 01:37:57.600] over getting into the corner and then I saw a video of me, someone videoed me.
[01:37:57.600 -> 01:37:58.600] It's a bolt up.
[01:37:58.600 -> 01:38:02.880] Yeah, I'm not doing anything. And my dad used to get teased by the mechanics when he took
[01:38:02.880 -> 01:38:06.320] his bike in because the wear was only in a very thin line around the...
[01:38:06.320 -> 01:38:07.320] It's called chicken strips.
[01:38:07.320 -> 01:38:08.320] Oh, he's got a chicken strip!
[01:38:08.320 -> 01:38:09.320] When people don't lean it in enough.
[01:38:09.320 -> 01:38:10.320] Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you don't need it.
[01:38:10.320 -> 01:38:17.120] I remember trying to get my knee down on my old CG125 with Coke cans on my knees and I
[01:38:17.120 -> 01:38:20.120] did get my knee down, closely followed by the rest of me quite frequently.
[01:38:20.120 -> 01:38:21.920] Yeah, yeah, I've fallen off, but yeah.
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