Podcast: Missed Apex
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Spanners and Stevens are joined by F1 media breakout star Antonia Rankin and Presenter/Commentator and 7News Sports Reporter Jonathan ‘Jono’ Simon as they delete all the laptimes of the Austrian Grand Prix. From savvy strategies to track limits travesties, from pitstop pain to second driver struggles, no radio call for penalties gets ignored in this, the latest episode of Missed Apex Podcast.
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I am sorry, I do not have access to the internet to get the context from the given URL and am unable to provide a detailed summary of the podcast episode transcript. **Summary of the Missed Apex Podcast Episode on the Austrian Grand Prix**
**Key Insights, Perspectives, and Controversies:**
* The Austrian Grand Prix was a challenging race for Mercedes, continuing their struggles at the Red Bull Ring despite a different car philosophy this year.
* The track's characteristics, such as high altitude and low drag, favored cars that performed well at circuits like Monaco, leading to surprising results.
* The 2023 Formula One season has witnessed significant track-specific and upgrade-specific performance, making it an unpredictable and exciting year for fans.
* Ferrari's strategy calls during the race were criticized, with Carlos Sainz expressing frustration over being held behind Charles Leclerc and missing an opportunity to challenge Sergio Perez for second place.
* Sainz and Perez engaged in a thrilling battle for position, with Sainz accusing Perez of intimidation, although some commentators felt the term was inappropriate.
* The use of DRS (Drag Reduction System) on the circuit was debated, with some arguing that it diminished the quality of racing by making overtakes too easy.
* Aston Martin's success in challenging and overturning penalties highlights their proficiency in arguing and exploiting loopholes in the regulations.
**Important Quotes and Statements:**
* "This has been a bit of a bogey track for Mercedes in the turbo hybrid era." - Chris Stevens
* "It was a bad track for Mercedes. And I think, you know, what I love about this season is it does remind me of 2009 for the old school F1 fans." - Chris Stevens
* "I don't necessarily think in the past it would have been a case of Mercedes not doing as well. It's just a bit of an equalizer this one." - Antonia Rankin
* "We haven't seen a season since then [2009] until now where a single upgrade can push you so far up the pecking order." - Antonia Rankin
* "Ferrari just went back to Ferrari-ing again when they just did not let Carlos Sainz pass Leclerc at some point." - Chris Stevens
* "I'm just recovering slightly from Antonia, who I think just valley-girled the Ferrari pit wall." - Chris Stevens
* "I think the theory by thinking three stops was due to the virtual safety car." - Jonathan Simon
* "Whether Science would have won the race or not is probably not true, but they should have at least released him." - Chris Stevens
* "I think there was a pit call relatively, oh here, signs radio message to on lap 16, he went, oh guys, come on, because they had a really bad pit stop under the virtual safety car." - Jonathan Simon
* "They didn't have a great strategy they just had a car that it didn't matter what strategy they did they would still win the race." - Jonathan Simon
* "I think in the sprint race yesterday it was really interesting to see Fernando Alonso and Lance Stroll. Alonso constantly letting Stroll know that he could overtake him if he wanted to but didn't. Intimidation, there is nothing wrong with intimidation." - Antonia Rankin
* "I think we're getting into kind of like non-race topics and so we don't want to descend into anonymity by not concentrating on the race. Otherwise, Chris, we'd be Aston Martin." - Spanners
**Overall Message and Takeaway:**
The Austrian Grand Prix showcased the unpredictable nature of the 2023 Formula One season, with track-specific performance and upgrade-driven improvements leading to surprising results. While Ferrari's strategy calls and Sainz's frustration were notable talking points, the episode also highlighted the ongoing debate surrounding DRS and the role of intimidation in racing. - The Austrian Grand Prix was filled with drama, including savvy strategies, track limits travesties, pitstop pain, and driver struggles, all of which were discussed in detail.
- Aston Martin and Fernando Alonso employed a contrary strategy, starting Alonso on hard tires and attempting an early VSC pit stop, but it did not go as planned.
- Yuki Tsunoda's overly aggressive driving led to a collision in the first lap, causing him to lose his front wing and eventually retire from the race due to excessive damage.
- The Red Bull Junior Program is facing a shortage of drivers, as they have let go of many drivers in the past and are now struggling to fill their seats.
- Lewis Hamilton displayed a different side of himself during the race, showing frustration and anger at the perceived unfairness of the track limits penalties.
- The stewards' inconsistent application of penalties led to confusion and dissatisfaction among the drivers.
- The drivers' ability to communicate with race control and influence decisions has become a point of contention, with some arguing that it gives drivers too much power.
- George Russell admitted that his performance has dropped off, but he denied that it was due to Mercedes favoring Lewis Hamilton's car setup. **Missed Apex Podcast Episode Transcript: Austrian Grand Prix Debrief**
**Summary:**
The Missed Apex Podcast team, joined by F1 media breakout star Antonia Rankin and Presenter/Commentator Jonathan 'Jono' Simon, dissect the Austrian Grand Prix. They discuss various incidents, including track limits controversies, pit stop dramas, and driver struggles.
**Key Points:**
* **Whose Fault Was It? Segment:**
* Antonia Rankin and the panelists analyze controversial incidents during the race, assigning blame and providing insights.
* **Verstappen's Aggressive Driving:**
* The team debates Max Verstappen's aggressive driving style, particularly his actions toward Sergio Perez.
* They discuss whether Verstappen's tactics are legitimate or if they cross the line of fair play.
* **Haas Team's Struggles:**
* The podcast highlights Haas' ongoing issues with their car's performance, resulting in inconsistent race pace and difficulties maintaining positions.
* **Track Limits Monitoring:**
* The panelists criticize the stewards' inconsistent monitoring of track limits, leading to confusion and frustration among drivers.
* **Max Verstappen's Fastest Lap Pit Stop:**
* The team analyzes Verstappen's decision to pit for a fastest lap attempt near the end of the race, highlighting the risks and potential rewards of such a strategy.
* **Award Segment:**
* Chris Stevens presents the "Good Thing Award" to Carlos Sainz for his impressive performance during the Austrian Grand Prix.
**Overall Message:**
The Austrian Grand Prix provided exciting moments and controversies, which the Missed Apex Podcast team dissect and analyze. They offer insightful perspectives on driver strategies, team dynamics, and the evolving landscape of Formula One racing. # Austrian Grand Prix Race Review
In this episode, the panelists discuss the Austrian Grand Prix, which took place on July 10, 2023. They analyze the strategies, track limits, pit stops, and penalties that occurred during the race, providing their insights and perspectives on the key moments.
**Thing of the Weekend**
* Antonia Rankin: Lando Norris' impressive performance despite McLaren's upgrades.
* Jonathan Simon: The hypothetical idea of having a spontaneous sprint race with a short notice.
* Spanners: The positive experience at Q Leisure Brighton Karting.
**Missed Apex Award**
* The stewards for having 1,200 unresolved instances of track limit violations to view after the race.
**Comment of the Week**
* Rob Asher: "If Ocon isn't careful, he could end up with an Esteban."
**Key Points**
* Max Verstappen took a calculated risk with a final pit stop, demonstrating his confidence in his team and his own abilities.
* Ferrari faced criticism for the team's communication issues with its drivers and its overall poor performance.
* Esteban Ocon received multiple penalties for track limit violations, highlighting the need for clearer regulations and enforcement.
* The stewards were criticized for their handling of track limit violations, as they initially appeared to have a strict stance but later seemed to relax their enforcement.
**Overall**
The Austrian Grand Prix was a race marked by strategic decisions, controversies, and missed opportunities. The panelists provide a comprehensive analysis of the race, offering their unique perspectives on the key talking points.
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[01:35.420 -> 01:39.060] You are listening to Missed Apex Podcast.
[01:39.060 -> 01:52.760] We live at one. F1.
[01:52.760 -> 01:57.040] Welcome to Missed Apex podcast. I'm your host Richard Ready, but my friends call me
[01:57.040 -> 02:03.520] Spanners. So let's be friends. The title of today's show is, Oh No, They All Missed
[02:03.520 -> 02:07.680] the Apex. That provided by darren johnston on twitter michael
[02:07.680 -> 02:14.000] albon is a runner-up and said your guest steward today is oprah and tim w suggested that the show
[02:14.000 -> 02:21.760] title should be race deleted welcome to our review of the austrian grand prix we're recording this on
[02:21.760 -> 02:26.960] the sunday 2nd of july 8pm UK time, after the race,
[02:26.960 -> 02:32.080] ready for your Monday morning commute as we always do, but we still don't really know
[02:32.080 -> 02:38.840] the result. Provisionally Verstappen won ahead of Leclerc and Sainz, but there are now 1200
[02:38.840 -> 02:46.040] incidents of track limits violations still to be reviewed by the stewards. So the winner could be literally
[02:46.040 -> 02:51.440] anyone. Now the result won't change the review itself, we'll still talk about the
[02:51.440 -> 02:56.760] farce that has unfolded since the end of the race, the performance of the teams and drivers
[02:56.760 -> 03:02.120] and all the things that caught our eye in what was otherwise a mighty fine Formula One
[03:02.120 -> 03:05.360] race. And then at some point someone will come along with a
[03:05.360 -> 03:11.040] Tippex pen and amend the final result. Oh Formula One, how did you get here?
[03:11.040 -> 03:15.120] Thanks for listening to us. We are an independent podcast produced in the podcasting shed. With the
[03:15.120 -> 03:18.960] kind permission of our better halves, we aim to bring you a race review before your Monday
[03:18.960 -> 03:21.680] morning commute. We might be wrong, but we're first.
[03:22.000 -> 03:26.800] We might be wrong, but we're first.
[03:31.800 -> 03:34.000] I'm joined by a young man set to take the commentary scene by storm. It's Chris Stevens. How's it going, Chris?
[03:34.000 -> 03:40.200] Hey, Spanners. I'm battered and I'm bruised after yesterday's karting event.
[03:40.200 -> 03:43.200] My first time karting in four years and my body's not quite used to it,
[03:43.200 -> 03:48.520] but it is worth the pain for the sweet taste of champagne that I didn't get for winning
[03:48.520 -> 03:54.000] the C final. No you won the rubbish people's final. Exactly I was the best of
[03:54.000 -> 03:57.580] the bad people. People ask me how I was after the missed apex karting and I say
[03:57.580 -> 04:02.840] well apart from my broken and battered body and soul I'm generally fine. We're
[04:02.840 -> 04:07.520] also joined by a young man on the wrong side of the world, from Australia-land, it's
[04:07.520 -> 04:08.520] Jono, Jonathan Simon.
[04:08.520 -> 04:09.520] How's it going, Jono?
[04:09.520 -> 04:10.520] JONO Yeah, good, mate.
[04:10.520 -> 04:16.360] It had to flip me, I think, I was upside down, now I'm back upright, but I heard Chris...
[04:16.360 -> 04:21.360] well, so did Chris win the C final, but he had the best cart?
[04:21.360 -> 04:23.200] Or is that not correct there?
[04:23.200 -> 04:25.680] I need to clarify the information on that.
[04:25.680 -> 04:26.680] ALICE So what we do-
[04:26.680 -> 04:30.320] JUSTIN There was a debate about which one was best.
[04:30.320 -> 04:31.800] Who's to say, really?
[04:31.800 -> 04:34.240] ALICE There is a Rubbish People final, and Chris
[04:34.240 -> 04:35.240] won it.
[04:35.240 -> 04:41.440] But, look, you can't deny that you won a racecar race, Chris, and it's all about having fun,
[04:41.440 -> 04:43.480] but it's more fun if you win.
[04:43.480 -> 04:45.600] And I always win when I have a panel
[04:45.600 -> 04:50.800] as glorious as this and we can round it off with TikTok sensation Antonia Rankin. Hello,
[04:50.800 -> 04:55.480] Antonia. Hi. Yeah, I'm neither battered nor bruised, so I don't get any street cred for
[04:55.480 -> 05:00.000] that. But I have to say my soul is rather battered by the sheer number of nearly penalties
[05:00.000 -> 05:04.880] that were awarded today. We could be faced with over a thousand penalties and I bet you
[05:04.880 -> 05:09.960] Verstappen doesn't get any. There were a few comments about that. Someone was saying, oh,
[05:09.960 -> 05:15.320] the FIA was so nice about the penalties that they even let some people off. OK, yeah, and
[05:15.320 -> 05:20.280] this is it. Right. Let's get straight to this. And what do we say in TikTok land, Antonia?
[05:20.280 -> 05:24.080] There's a lot of penalties today. Let's talk about it. That's the new thing to say. I'm
[05:24.080 -> 05:28.880] all on top of it. Let's look at that. Let's talk about it. Okay. So how did we get ourselves in
[05:28.880 -> 05:35.840] this fast call position, Antonia? How do we get to the end of a race and the FIA are saying to us,
[05:35.840 -> 05:41.440] there are 1200 incidents for us to review. We'll be right back to you.
[05:41.440 -> 05:48.480] Well, if you do the maths on a 70 lap race, that means a very, I mean, I can't do maths, so you know, someone else will have to do this maths, but that's a
[05:48.480 -> 05:54.640] pretty high number of people doing track limits almost every single lap, which to me could have
[05:54.640 -> 05:59.840] been foreseen given that we had 47 lap times deleted in qualifying on Friday. You know,
[05:59.840 -> 06:04.320] this wasn't something that it came out of the blue in not even the sprint race, in the main race this
[06:04.320 -> 06:07.600] weekend and we went, oh, why are cars going off track all of a sudden?
[06:07.600 -> 06:11.680] So I think this is something the FIA could have seen coming and said to the stewards,
[06:11.680 -> 06:15.720] maybe someone have a look at the cars, you know, we'll dedicate somebody to just check,
[06:15.720 -> 06:19.840] but you know, they've allowed it to build up over the course of a race. And everyone
[06:19.840 -> 06:24.160] has said over the course of the season, we hate seeing penalties being awarded or given
[06:24.160 -> 06:25.200] after the end of a race, because it seeing penalties being awarded or given after the end
[06:25.200 -> 06:29.680] of a race because it kind of is nasty to watch someone lose their position after they've
[06:29.680 -> 06:34.960] celebrated it. So I think, to be honest, kind of just bad planning from the FIA.
[06:35.520 -> 06:42.240] So this is all kicked off because Aston Martin have protested Lando Norris specifically after
[06:42.240 -> 06:47.040] the race because obviously Alonso was chasing Norris towards the end
[06:47.840 -> 06:53.440] of the race and they think he did a lot of track limits, you know, more than he was actually sort
[06:53.440 -> 06:58.960] of credited for by race control and they feel like he should get a penalty for that so that
[06:58.960 -> 07:05.180] Alonso can move up into fifth place. That's why we've got the provisional result only
[07:05.180 -> 07:06.020] at the moment.
[07:06.020 -> 07:08.040] But this is such a circuit specific issue
[07:08.040 -> 07:09.360] and it's not a new thing.
[07:09.360 -> 07:12.840] It happens every single time they go to the Red Bull Ring.
[07:12.840 -> 07:16.600] And I just feel like with all of the options
[07:16.600 -> 07:18.180] and technologies we have in the world,
[07:18.180 -> 07:21.600] there is surely got to be some kind of solution
[07:21.600 -> 07:24.360] that we can put on there that makes track limits
[07:24.360 -> 07:26.160] a non-issue that doesn't
[07:26.160 -> 07:31.920] wreck and destroy cars because of course there was that perpendicular sausage curb
[07:32.720 -> 07:37.040] trial they did that just wrecked and destroyed cars if they went anywhere near them.
[07:37.600 -> 07:43.040] Yeah I think you're really onto something there. I don't understand this type of track limits
[07:43.040 -> 07:45.840] penalty because these drivers were not trying
[07:45.840 -> 07:50.960] to leave the track in order to gain an advantage. This wasn't a case of they went off so that they
[07:50.960 -> 07:56.880] could get on the throttle extra early, they didn't deliberately run wide. This number of track limits
[07:56.880 -> 08:02.800] violations is a genuine case of them accidentally running wide as a result of pushing quite hard.
[08:03.520 -> 08:08.800] And I think measures could be put in place to make this self-policing, wherein the FIA don't need to get involved
[08:08.800 -> 08:13.040] constantly. Hear me out, gravel traps would be a great way of doing this. Drivers hate
[08:13.040 -> 08:18.320] them, cars hate them. Sorry. Drivers hate them, cars hate them. You know, there are
[08:18.320 -> 08:24.400] ways to make it self-policing or to dissuade drivers from taking it so quickly that they
[08:24.400 -> 08:26.600] then, because it was turn nine where they all kept going off.
[08:26.600 -> 08:32.500] You know, there are ways of dissuading the drivers from going that quickly and thereby reducing the number of people going off.
[08:32.900 -> 08:39.400] But I don't see in any event why are we penalizing drivers for doing something that hasn't advantaged them in any way.
[08:39.400 -> 08:44.500] So I'll just counter that slightly as the only not young cool person on the panel,
[08:44.500 -> 08:45.600] which is I do
[08:45.600 -> 08:51.440] remember the days where there was more natural barriers to the track limits, like a lot of runoff
[08:51.440 -> 08:56.880] is relatively new in F1 to have just loads of tracks with runoff. When there was gravel,
[08:56.880 -> 09:00.800] we did miss out because you would get a driver stuck in the gravel and that was it,
[09:00.800 -> 09:06.200] you wouldn't see them again. And also, also you know there's a flip risk and it reduces
[09:06.880 -> 09:08.000] people's
[09:08.000 -> 09:10.000] Willingness to go and go for an opportunity
[09:10.040 -> 09:16.100] Overtaking opportunity so if there's gravel you won't risk it. You know you look at Paul Ricard. There's no risk
[09:16.100 -> 09:17.900] That's probably too far the other way
[09:17.900 -> 09:23.300] But I that reality I think is it might be a case of careful what you wish for if they were to start
[09:23.640 -> 09:25.800] surrounding Grand Prix tracks with gravel,
[09:25.800 -> 09:30.840] you might find low finishes, a lot of DNFs and people being
[09:30.840 -> 09:31.720] less willing to attack.
[09:31.720 -> 09:36.280] But I do sympathise with it can't carry on how it is.
[09:36.280 -> 09:38.200] They are going to have to do something.
[09:38.680 -> 09:39.040] Jono.
[09:39.520 -> 09:42.880] 1200 laps reported doesn't mean they all cut the track.
[09:42.880 -> 09:44.400] That's just what's being...
[09:44.400 -> 09:46.880] Yeah, exactly. That's just what's being investigated.
[09:46.880 -> 09:53.480] So you look at that, I think 57 were confirmed as having been track cuts, and that's where
[09:53.480 -> 09:57.000] the likes of Lewis Hamilton and the other drivers received penalties.
[09:57.000 -> 09:59.440] But we could get a result any moment now.
[09:59.440 -> 10:03.640] Now Spanners, I know a good solution that you like is the fact that, well, if they cut
[10:03.640 -> 10:07.920] the track, maybe they drop a bit of horsepower, like we've seen in certain other racing categories.
[10:08.120 -> 10:13.160] Yeah, no one agrees with me, but like there are, like Palmer Sport, for example, in
[10:13.160 -> 10:18.040] Bedfordshire, if you go off track on that, it can be electronically sensed.
[10:18.160 -> 10:21.840] And I really like, you know, my background is in electronics engineering.
[10:22.000 -> 10:23.440] I really don't see an issue.
[10:23.440 -> 10:28.400] I don't see why it would be difficult in the you know the Red Bull ring you have a particular
[10:28.400 -> 10:33.480] problem corner, corner nine and you you put detectors in there to detect whether
[10:33.480 -> 10:37.560] a car has gone off the track and it would be unambiguous because it's just
[10:37.560 -> 10:42.320] an electronic signal have they passed through a certain threshold go and then
[10:42.320 -> 10:46.660] to make that into a signal to say right put a
[10:46.660 -> 10:50.000] little nail, unscrew itself underneath the throttle so you can't put the
[10:50.000 -> 10:54.940] throttle all the way down for the straight. It's not that hard and
[10:54.940 -> 10:58.740] you get the best of all worlds. You wouldn't have to deal with a flip risk
[10:58.740 -> 11:04.300] from from grass and gravel. You'd have safe runoff and it would be a definitely
[11:04.300 -> 11:06.560] a deterrent. So yes, let's just do that.
[11:07.440 -> 11:13.760] Okay, so it's a good idea when somebody's right behind another car that will suddenly slow without
[11:13.760 -> 11:17.200] warning. No, it won't slow without warning because you'll see the car in front and the thing is
[11:18.160 -> 11:22.320] it won't be like you're hitting the brakes, it's just that your accelerator won't quite work as
[11:22.320 -> 11:25.120] well. This doesn't sound like a good idea, I have to say.
[11:25.120 -> 11:27.120] Go on, go on, Antonia. Defend Chris.
[11:28.640 -> 11:31.600] I don't think there's a lot to defend here in that that's quite a silly idea.
[11:31.600 -> 11:34.880] So I'll allow your idea to stand in its own right to be ridiculed
[11:34.880 -> 11:36.640] in I'm sure the comments in the Slack group.
[11:37.440 -> 11:39.280] Okay, which part of that? Because there's two parts.
[11:39.280 -> 11:41.920] A is the detection, which I think is a no-brainer.
[11:41.920 -> 11:44.800] So the second part is then, how do you implement a pun?
[11:44.800 -> 11:48.040] You could just go, okay, five-second penalty then, couldn't you?
[11:48.040 -> 11:51.920] Well that's the thing. The good thing about the five-second penalty is it's consistent.
[11:51.920 -> 11:55.840] It's the same for all drivers, it affects them all equally, you know, it is by definition
[11:55.840 -> 12:00.920] completely the same for everyone. In theory, obviously, if it's being taken in a pit stop,
[12:00.920 -> 12:05.360] you know, it screws with that a little bit. Anyway, I think detection is probably
[12:05.360 -> 12:11.120] the way to go. I just don't think you can do anything other than a time penalty that proportionally
[12:11.120 -> 12:15.840] affects every driver in the same way, you know, given that different cars have different strengths,
[12:15.840 -> 12:20.960] you can't say, oh, well, we'll dock a horsepower or we'll disable your DRS for this straight.
[12:20.960 -> 12:26.480] That would be really disproportionate. I just don't think that is the way forward at all.
[12:26.480 -> 12:34.320] The time penalties are fine, it's just how often it can happen at this circuit because those two
[12:34.320 -> 12:38.400] bits of track where we're talking about track limits all the time, they're just way too inviting
[12:38.400 -> 12:46.800] and there's zero deterrent for a driver to not go and do it. And I kind of disagree with the idea that they're not
[12:46.800 -> 12:51.280] doing it intentionally, because if there was a barrier there, they wouldn't be ending up in the
[12:51.280 -> 12:58.400] barrier every single lap. And, you know, we talk about Monaco and how they are so millimeter
[12:58.400 -> 13:03.680] perfect through, you know, a super high speed section of track lined by Armco barriers. If
[13:03.680 -> 13:05.700] you just put some sort of natural deterrent,
[13:05.700 -> 13:07.700] like a bit of grass creek or something like that,
[13:07.700 -> 13:12.100] then that is going to be enough to stop them from doing it.
[13:12.100 -> 13:15.400] And you can still punish track limits that way.
[13:15.400 -> 13:17.200] That's the thing, isn't it?
[13:17.200 -> 13:19.600] These drivers are able to drive within the lines
[13:19.600 -> 13:21.900] because at a cert like Jeddah or Monaco,
[13:21.900 -> 13:23.900] they have to drive between the lines.
[13:23.900 -> 13:28.840] The most obvious way to stop track limits violations would be not to
[13:28.840 -> 13:33.160] approach turn nine so quickly so that you don't have to run wide so that you have
[13:33.200 -> 13:35.540] the time and the distance to turn.
[13:35.840 -> 13:38.540] You know, the drivers are in theory capable of doing this.
[13:38.560 -> 13:39.160] I agree.
[13:39.440 -> 13:43.200] And them carrying too much speed into that corner is the problem.
[13:43.600 -> 13:46.140] However, again, something needs to be done
[13:46.140 -> 13:50.060] because we cannot be having 1200 events
[13:50.060 -> 13:51.900] under investigation, it's ridiculous.
[13:51.900 -> 13:56.900] It completely opens up the farce of allowing them to race.
[13:56.980 -> 13:58.620] I think we're just forgetting a few things.
[13:58.620 -> 14:01.460] So like number one, these guys are athletes,
[14:01.460 -> 14:05.960] they're competitors, so they're not gonna adhere to rules. Obviously, they're always. So you're not going to they're not going to adhere to rules.
[14:05.960 -> 14:08.480] Obviously, they're always going to find an advantage that they can.
[14:08.560 -> 14:10.720] Of course, they're not deliberately running off the track.
[14:10.720 -> 14:13.480] You know, they're doing it out of what we're trying to win.
[14:13.520 -> 14:14.160] You know what I mean?
[14:14.160 -> 14:16.160] You have to look at this from the athlete's perspective.
[14:16.360 -> 14:20.320] Now, grass crete, I don't know, sometimes in certain racetracks, grass crete can be
[14:20.520 -> 14:24.200] faster, Chris can also be right in certain situations, it might not be faster.
[14:24.400 -> 14:25.040] So it depends
[14:25.040 -> 14:32.480] how you design it and how you build it. In terms of the way I see this is fans don't want track
[14:32.480 -> 14:37.280] limits not to be policed. I think what fans want is a better way for it to be policed. Because you
[14:37.280 -> 14:41.760] have a situation like IndyCar back in 2019 where it was an absolute farce. It just looked ridiculous.
[14:41.760 -> 14:48.080] A car's running off the track all over the place, exactly. And it looked absolutely ridiculous, and that was legal, and we don't want that
[14:48.080 -> 14:52.800] situation. What's the solution? I think the best thing so far, Spanners, is to reduce the horsepower,
[14:52.800 -> 14:57.120] and it shouldn't be at a decreased rate where it's so dangerous, it should just be a little
[14:57.120 -> 15:00.240] bit where it's about a couple of Ks on the straight, and that can make the difference.
[15:00.240 -> 15:02.960] Steve Yep, all right, thanks for backing me up,
[15:02.960 -> 15:06.440] you're now my favourite one out of the panel. Well done.
[15:06.440 -> 15:12.240] No, you're right, you can totally just be like a little bit or you can penalise in whatever
[15:12.240 -> 15:18.360] way you want, but electronically seems to be the best way to go because I think the
[15:18.360 -> 15:23.120] stewards have been caught with their pants down a little. And I know they work hard,
[15:23.120 -> 15:25.920] but I just, I think I have a theory on how
[15:25.920 -> 15:31.360] we got into this position. Antonia? This is such, this might be a non-point, but it's a consideration
[15:31.360 -> 15:38.480] at a circuit like the one we've just been at, downforce is considerably, considerably lower due
[15:38.480 -> 15:46.480] to altitude, which means that handling around a corner is probably going to be not as good as at the exact same circuit but
[15:46.480 -> 15:53.040] not at 677 meters above sea level. Which I'm not going to say it's a skill issue from the drivers
[15:53.040 -> 15:58.880] obviously, however that is a consideration at a circuit where downforce is lower the track limits
[15:58.880 -> 16:04.160] to be policed may be slightly less because obviously on the corners if you've got less
[16:04.160 -> 16:05.240] downforce it is going to
[16:05.240 -> 16:07.280] be more difficult to corner accurately.
[16:07.280 -> 16:13.200] Okay, so a little bit of breaking news here. Chris Medland has come in with some official
[16:13.200 -> 16:18.240] news from the FIA. So there are penalties that have come out of this. Carlos Sainz 10
[16:18.240 -> 16:23.920] second penalty, Hamilton, Gasly, Albon all get 10 second penalties. Ocon, good job Matt's
[16:23.920 -> 16:27.480] not here, 30 seconds worth of penalties. Yeah
[16:29.000 -> 16:34.720] Amazingly nothing for Norris. Norris didn't get any. So Alonso didn't even, I mean they've all gained because Sainz
[16:34.720 -> 16:36.720] Yeah went down. Alonso gained a spot.
[16:36.720 -> 16:40.640] So Sargent 10 seconds, De Vries 15 and Sinoda 5 seconds.
[16:40.640 -> 16:48.920] So Sainz goes down to 6th, Norris goes up to 4th and Alonso goes p5. So Aston Martin ultimately did gain from being the team that put forward
[16:48.920 -> 16:54.160] this protest. But I have a theory, I know the stewards are hard-working, but I
[16:54.160 -> 16:58.840] think they went into this a little half-arsed. So they said we are going to
[16:58.840 -> 17:03.640] enforce the track limits, they did it in qualifying, it worked. During the race I
[17:03.640 -> 17:06.720] don't think they had a nominated person
[17:06.720 -> 17:11.680] looking at, say, turn 10 to see if people were going over those track limits. And this
[17:11.680 -> 17:16.000] is where my electronic solution comes in, because you wouldn't need that. Here they
[17:16.000 -> 17:20.400] weren't doing that and they were responding to complaints. The first complaints we heard
[17:20.400 -> 17:24.840] on the radio were Lando Norris against Lewis Hamilton. Lewis Hamilton got the warnings
[17:24.840 -> 17:29.840] and then he got the five second penalty. I don't think it's a coincidence that the first penalty
[17:29.840 -> 17:36.240] issued was against the first person that we heard a complaint against and then the teams realised,
[17:36.240 -> 17:42.160] oh if we complain that's going to generate more penalties. So they wanted to take a hard line
[17:42.160 -> 17:50.760] and what shows taking a hard line more than going,? Lewis Hamilton, seven time world champ, fan favourite, but no, there's no escaping
[17:50.760 -> 17:56.080] this, we're being super strict, boom. And then it just crescendoed, snowballed, got
[17:56.080 -> 18:00.920] away from them to the point that teams went, hang on a minute, if you're going to throw
[18:00.920 -> 18:06.320] those penalties around, we want to look at every single incident of
[18:06.320 -> 18:11.960] cars going. And someone did the maths on Twitter, there would have been 1,400 laps done by the
[18:11.960 -> 18:18.680] drivers and then 1,200 incidents of track limits to be explored. So they went in there,
[18:18.680 -> 18:24.240] I think with the right attitude, track limits should be ensured, but the half-arsed bit
[18:24.240 -> 18:26.520] was they weren't actually just monitoring
[18:26.520 -> 18:28.640] it, they were responding to complaints.
[18:28.640 -> 18:32.880] And I think they've been caught out, Jonno, and I think they will learn from this.
[18:32.880 -> 18:37.160] No athlete, and let's make it specific to racing drivers, no racing drivers want to
[18:37.160 -> 18:41.120] compete in a sport where they're having to appeal for penalties.
[18:41.120 -> 18:44.720] They need a sport where it's being policed adequately and they're not having to fight
[18:44.720 -> 18:48.240] for it. At the same time, racing drivers want to race and they don't want to be over
[18:48.240 -> 18:53.760] penalised for stuff. Now, the point I'm getting to here is, why has it taken a protest for the FIA
[18:53.760 -> 18:57.920] to get the correct result for a Formula 1 Grand Prix? And this should have been done beforehand.
[18:57.920 -> 19:03.200] Now, I'm not going to speculate on the process that they've gone through, whether they had 20
[19:03.200 -> 19:05.360] people employed watching the onboard
[19:05.360 -> 19:09.720] of every driver going, there we go, there's a track cut there, there's a track cut there.
[19:09.720 -> 19:13.280] It's like, if that took it, bloody hell, I mean, Spanners, I would have loved to take
[19:13.280 -> 19:18.040] 200 bucks today to watch an onboard of a driver and just point out whenever they crossed the
[19:18.040 -> 19:19.040] track, I'd accept that money.
[19:19.040 -> 19:20.040] I'd do it.
[19:20.040 -> 19:21.040] If they hired me, I would do it for them.
[19:21.040 -> 19:23.800] It's what made the difference today, and it could have avoided embarrassment.
[19:23.800 -> 19:24.800] Rankin?
[19:24.800 -> 19:30.600] Ah, embarrassing indeed. I think it's farcical. I think it's a shambles. I think it's, as
[19:30.600 -> 19:36.080] a racing fan, something that we should be really seriously looking into. How on earth
[19:36.080 -> 19:42.640] have 30 seconds of penalties been awarded to Ocon after the race? 30 seconds worth?
[19:42.640 -> 19:43.640] Are you joking?
[19:43.640 -> 19:48.000] Yeah. the race. 30 seconds worth? Are you joking? That poor man has gone home, had a shower,
[19:48.000 -> 19:54.640] got changed, chatted to his mates and then been told, oh sorry Esti Besti, back to the grid you
[19:54.640 -> 20:00.320] go, you've been demoted. It's absolutely unacceptable for this number of penalties
[20:00.320 -> 20:08.720] to be awarded after a race. I mean Esteban Ocon, he went back to his young niece who said, oh, Uncle Esteban, I
[20:08.720 -> 20:13.280] saw all the penalties. Did you get any penalties? And he said, no, I always follow the rules.
[20:13.280 -> 20:17.880] I would never get any penalties. And now his little niece is like, Uncle Esteban, you're
[20:17.880 -> 20:21.280] a hypocrite. You did get penalties and I hate you now.
[20:21.280 -> 20:26.240] It's ridiculous. I just think there should be almost a park ferme of
[20:27.120 -> 20:33.600] penalties where, you know, that we get to a certain point past the race and we say, you know what,
[20:34.240 -> 20:39.200] let's let dead dogs lie. I'm sorry, I'm really bad with idioms. Is that what it is? No, let's let,
[20:39.200 -> 20:45.240] let's let the twigs stay there. Sleeping dogs lie. Let's let the dogs. No, that was wrong.
[20:45.240 -> 20:47.200] Let's let the, do you know what I mean though?
[20:47.200 -> 20:49.280] Like after a certain point after the race,
[20:49.280 -> 20:50.600] at what point do we say, okay,
[20:50.600 -> 20:52.240] park Fairmay on the race?
[20:52.240 -> 20:53.600] Let's leave the result as it is.
[20:53.600 -> 20:54.800] Because this is ridiculous.
[20:54.800 -> 20:57.320] That was worse than your attempt at a football analogy.
[20:57.320 -> 20:59.120] I've been ridiculed online from that.
[20:59.120 -> 20:59.960] Deservedly so.
[20:59.960 -> 21:00.800] I've been ridiculed.
[21:00.800 -> 21:03.480] Go back and listen to our Canadian Grand Prix race review.
[21:03.480 -> 21:04.640] Jono.
[21:04.640 -> 21:06.800] This is obviously coming out right now live,
[21:06.800 -> 21:08.880] so it's kind of like an emergency reaction.
[21:08.880 -> 21:11.640] But the way Ocon has gotten 30 seconds of penalties,
[21:11.640 -> 21:15.040] which is actually quite funny, is obviously on the fourth track
[21:15.040 -> 21:16.680] breach, you get the five second penalty,
[21:16.680 -> 21:18.800] which we saw happen during the race to a lot of drivers.
[21:19.000 -> 21:22.800] On the fifth, you get a 10 second penalty and then it resets.
[21:23.000 -> 21:26.480] So he's done another one and then another one after that.
[21:26.480 -> 21:29.360] And that's totaled up to 5.10, 5.10, which equals 30.
[21:29.600 -> 21:30.960] God, he cut the track a lot.
[21:30.960 -> 21:32.000] Did Espen Ocon?
[21:32.000 -> 21:33.600] Oh, ridiculous.
[21:34.160 -> 21:35.120] It's bad, isn't it?
[21:35.120 -> 21:39.640] And look, we waffled just long enough for the official race results to come in,
[21:39.720 -> 21:43.800] which I think now means we can concentrate on, you know, some of the drivers
[21:43.800 -> 21:45.680] and teams that competed in the race car race. I think we means we can concentrate on, you know, some of the drivers and teams that competed
[21:45.680 -> 21:48.240] in the race car race. I think we should do that.
[21:55.600 -> 22:02.640] Sometimes in Formula One, there will be a team and a driver that just goes and destroys everyone
[22:02.640 -> 22:05.360] because everybody has to do their homework
[22:05.360 -> 22:10.480] by themselves and they go away. It's like a test and you scribble, you listen to the
[22:10.480 -> 22:15.080] teacher tell you the question and then you put your hand over the paper so no one can
[22:15.080 -> 22:19.280] copy you. You write down your test and then at the end they say pencils down and you all
[22:19.280 -> 22:23.920] show your answers. And then those answers, if they were baked in pretty much for the
[22:23.920 -> 22:26.920] rest of the Formula One, for the rest of the semester,
[22:26.920 -> 22:31.480] you would get a Formula One season. And we do this every single time with regulations
[22:31.480 -> 22:36.280] and you would do it every single time in the off-season. Teams turn up with a car and inevitably
[22:36.280 -> 22:41.560] there is going to be one team-driver combination that runs away with it. But those seasons
[22:41.560 -> 22:46.160] can be incredibly rewarding to watch as a fan. 2013 is a great
[22:46.160 -> 22:51.920] example. Sebastian Vettel disappeared into the sunset after Silverstone and the camera
[22:51.920 -> 22:57.440] barely ever picked up Sebastian Vettel. You never saw him. So there was great fights up
[22:57.440 -> 23:03.160] and down the field. Even as a Lewis Hamilton fan, watching him in probably Nico Hulkenberg's
[23:03.160 -> 23:06.760] best season as well you know scrapping fighting
[23:06.760 -> 23:14.920] for the points. Which year are we talking about? 2013. Hulkenberg was on fire in 2013.
[23:14.920 -> 23:21.880] Okay I assumed you were talking about his teammate. I'm sorry I shouldn't have interrupted.
[23:21.880 -> 23:26.480] Yeah it was an incorrect yeah but also there was a lot of fascinating things there.
[23:26.480 -> 23:30.480] The Mercedes were coming out with a brand new kind of concept.
[23:30.480 -> 23:34.680] And if you remember, Chris, they were qualifying like a second ahead of everyone
[23:34.680 -> 23:37.480] and then clinging on for dear life throughout that race.
[23:37.480 -> 23:39.280] So there was a lot to watch in 2013.
[23:39.280 -> 23:40.880] There was a lot of good racing,
[23:40.880 -> 23:44.280] even though Sebastian Vettel had disappeared off into the distance.
[23:44.280 -> 23:49.120] Yeah, I mean, I can't say I remember Nico Hülkenberg being particularly spectacular and thinking,
[23:49.120 -> 23:53.680] wow that guy! In that case you owe Nico Hülkenberg an apology because he was pretty good.
[23:54.480 -> 23:59.200] I'm sure, I'm sure. I mean I still would have picked him over Perez for the McLaren drive
[23:59.200 -> 24:03.760] if it were up to me, but that's a different conversation for a different day.
[24:03.760 -> 24:07.840] No, I'm still really enjoying Formula 1 even when there isn't a different day. I'm still really enjoying Formula One,
[24:07.840 -> 24:09.500] even when there isn't a title battle.
[24:09.500 -> 24:12.120] I mean, obviously we've been pretty spoiled,
[24:12.120 -> 24:13.880] particularly in 2021,
[24:13.880 -> 24:15.680] and certainly the first half of 2022
[24:15.680 -> 24:18.420] was very exciting as well.
[24:18.420 -> 24:20.560] But I think there's always a story to tell in Formula One,
[24:20.560 -> 24:23.400] and there's always a fight to be had.
[24:23.400 -> 24:26.240] And if you look at what's happening behind Max Verstappen
[24:26.240 -> 24:33.680] it's genuinely interesting and engaging. I'd love to see if you just took Verstappen out of the
[24:33.680 -> 24:39.280] results what the kind of championship would actually be looking at because I think you'd
[24:39.280 -> 24:46.160] be looking at a lot of different winners and the order of the grid amongst that top three changing on a race by race
[24:46.160 -> 24:53.840] basis. Exactly. So my question to you, Antonia, would be like pick the non-Red Bull winner. It's
[24:53.840 -> 24:59.200] really difficult to pick out by the end of the season who will rise to the top. This is really
[24:59.200 -> 25:07.600] difficult actually because after today I think I had too much faith in Mercedes's upgrades. I really thought that
[25:07.600 -> 25:12.080] they were doing really well and all of a sudden... So did they, so did they to be fair. Yeah I think
[25:12.080 -> 25:19.120] they did. I mean Toto's radio message to Lewis literally saying, I've got it here, Lewis the car
[25:19.120 -> 25:26.320] is bad we know, just drive it. You don't want to be saying that a few races after bringing major upgrades,
[25:26.320 -> 25:32.320] both aerodynamic and mechanical. It's ridiculous. I don't know where the car went today, especially
[25:34.000 -> 25:38.400] with the aerodynamic upgrades that they brought. You would have thought that they do very well
[25:38.400 -> 25:45.520] today, given the low drag. You just would have thought'd do really well and they were lost in the race. So
[25:50.800 -> 25:55.840] I can't pick a winner because Ferrari still are a shambles. I mean, Carlos Sainz's radio messages were frankly heartbreaking. McLaren seemed to have come out of absolutely nowhere and Aston
[25:55.840 -> 26:00.880] Martin, again, a pretty unspectacular race from them. So I do wonder, like definitely Mercedes
[26:00.880 -> 26:06.800] seem to be a little bit surprised. Like you could see that they were they were completely mugged by the fact that they had
[26:06.800 -> 26:08.180] no performance.
[26:08.180 -> 26:15.260] In previous years, I don't think Mercedes have done particularly well here at the Red
[26:15.260 -> 26:16.260] Bull Ring.
[26:16.260 -> 26:19.040] And there was a famous year where they got dressed up in lederhosen.
[26:19.040 -> 26:21.480] Oh, they did that this year.
[26:21.480 -> 26:23.600] They got dressed up in the traditional.
[26:23.600 -> 26:24.860] Was that what Austria before?
[26:24.860 -> 26:28.680] And then they had a really bad race and Toto Wolff vowed that they would never do that
[26:28.680 -> 26:30.120] kind of fancy dress stuff again.
[26:30.120 -> 26:36.560] Not the lederhosen, but they were sort of dressed in old-timey mechanics gear, and there
[26:36.560 -> 26:41.720] was the special livery as well, with the white sort of being as if the silver was being peeled
[26:41.720 -> 26:45.640] away from the car to reveal their original.
[26:45.640 -> 26:46.640] That was Germany 2019.
[26:46.640 -> 26:48.400] Ah, was it the German?
[26:48.400 -> 26:49.400] Maybe it was the German.
[26:49.400 -> 26:50.600] I was just going to say, that's what that race was.
[26:50.600 -> 26:53.420] Okay, yeah, so they did that again this time, so maybe that's it.
[26:53.420 -> 26:58.880] It's the curse of the fancy dress, and that's why they were unable to perform.
[26:58.880 -> 27:03.360] I'll tell you this, Spanners, you are spot on by saying this has been a bit of a bogey
[27:03.360 -> 27:05.700] track for Mercedes in the turbo hybrid era.
[27:05.700 -> 27:10.700] But what's fascinating though is that this year they've got a completely different car philosophy.
[27:10.700 -> 27:16.500] And let me add last year as well, to what they had all the years they dominated from 2014 to 2021.
[27:16.500 -> 27:19.300] They had a car that was the quickest in straight lines.
[27:19.300 -> 27:23.700] And for some reason they come to the Red Bull Ring, you think, oh, look at these two, three quick straights.
[27:23.700 -> 27:27.000] And we are not the quickest car. and it was difficult for them to win. For
[27:27.000 -> 27:29.860] some reason now with not the quickest engine, it's still the
[27:29.860 -> 27:34.020] same bogey track for them. Now, what I did notice was cars that
[27:34.020 -> 27:37.280] seemed to be quick at Monaco seemed to relate to the Red Bull
[27:37.280 -> 27:39.840] Ring this year. And you know, the Alpines were pretty quick
[27:39.840 -> 27:42.520] compared to usual, maybe I'm overrating them a little bit.
[27:42.520 -> 27:45.880] Yeah. But there's sort of that to come to play as well.
[27:45.880 -> 27:47.560] It was a bad track for Mercedes.
[27:47.560 -> 27:50.680] And I think, you know, what I love about this season
[27:50.680 -> 27:54.120] is it does remind me of 2009 for the old school F1 fans.
[27:54.120 -> 27:56.040] A team brings an upgrade and all of a sudden
[27:56.040 -> 27:58.560] they're like McLaren, like, where did that come from?
[27:58.560 -> 28:01.840] I remember 2009, you had the old Toyota's pole position
[28:01.840 -> 28:03.880] at Bahrain and two races later at Monaco,
[28:03.880 -> 28:05.440] they qualified like 19th and 20th.
[28:05.440 -> 28:10.960] Like it made no sense that year. And this is a point I made earlier to Kev Clark on The Ringer,
[28:10.960 -> 28:18.000] which is that I can't remember a season where we had so much track specific performance.
[28:18.000 -> 28:22.080] And so, okay, so Mercedes were looking ahead and they knew they were going to be bad at
[28:22.080 -> 28:29.760] the Canadian Grand Prix. And you can perhaps go, well, okay, it's a pure just like drag sensitive track, it's a very, they will
[28:29.760 -> 28:34.880] go onto the softest tyres at Montreal, they always pick softer tyres and then also, you
[28:34.880 -> 28:40.200] know, it's bumpy and I feel like Mercedes developed their car on a billiard table and
[28:40.200 -> 28:44.080] that's what they're going for. But I don't think it's that they were specifically very
[28:44.080 -> 28:49.920] bad at Austria, I think perhaps it's a track that forgives a lot of the flaws of the other cars.
[28:49.920 -> 28:55.280] So there's a lot of other cars can kind of step up and Ferrari can look great here and McLaren
[28:55.280 -> 29:00.240] can look great here. And I would caution the people getting excited about Ferrari and McLaren
[29:00.800 -> 29:05.200] to take that into account. Antonia quickly, then Jonno, and then young Christopher.
[29:05.200 -> 29:09.440] Yeah, this goes back to what I was saying earlier with the altitude of the track.
[29:09.440 -> 29:11.760] It's the same with Mexico City.
[29:11.760 -> 29:13.520] Low drag, low downforce.
[29:13.520 -> 29:17.360] It's very forgiving and not at all representative.
[29:17.360 -> 29:22.080] So if we're looking at the McLaren upgrades, for example, yeah, it's mega exciting, really
[29:22.080 -> 29:25.060] genuinely to see Lando Norris performing well.
[29:25.060 -> 29:27.580] However, with a low drag circuit,
[29:27.580 -> 29:28.800] obviously it means you can afford
[29:28.800 -> 29:30.140] to take on a higher downforce wing.
[29:30.140 -> 29:31.180] So the teams will be running
[29:31.180 -> 29:32.800] a medium to high downforce setup here,
[29:32.800 -> 29:36.400] despite it having not very many high downforce turns,
[29:36.400 -> 29:37.460] because they can afford to.
[29:37.460 -> 29:39.180] So they'll be carrying rear wings,
[29:39.180 -> 29:41.640] similar to that that they'd have in Monaco,
[29:41.640 -> 29:44.820] because they can do it without losing time on the straights.
[29:44.820 -> 29:45.520] So there's a lot
[29:45.520 -> 29:50.720] of wiggle room on a circuit like this and a lot of forgiveness on a track like this. So like you
[29:50.720 -> 29:55.840] said Spanners, I don't necessarily think in the past it would have been a case of Mercedes not
[29:55.840 -> 30:01.440] doing as well. It's just a bit of an equalizer this one. And to add on to your point Spanners,
[30:01.440 -> 30:05.920] it's a brilliant season in terms of like, it's very track specific, like you say.
[30:05.920 -> 30:08.680] To add on to that, it's very upgrade specific too.
[30:08.680 -> 30:11.880] And this brings back the 2009 equation into it.
[30:11.880 -> 30:17.640] We haven't seen a season since then until now where a single upgrade can push you so
[30:17.640 -> 30:19.280] far up the pecking order.
[30:19.280 -> 30:20.440] It's absolutely ridiculous.
[30:20.440 -> 30:29.740] Like, what we saw from McLaren on Norris' car specifically, because obviously Piastri didn't have those upgrades himself, was insane. You know, to see a car jump up
[30:29.740 -> 30:33.740] to podium contending, am I being a bit optimistic there? We'll get into that a little bit later.
[30:33.740 -> 30:34.740] No, it was. It was contending.
[30:34.740 -> 30:39.900] It was podium contending, you would have to say. It was magnificent. And, you know, to
[30:39.900 -> 30:43.980] me, this is the brilliance of it. I mean, who knows what's going to happen next week
[30:43.980 -> 30:47.400] at Silverstone when Mercedes bring their next upgrades? Are they going to be contending
[30:47.400 -> 30:52.200] for the win? You know, it's a jumping pecking order and it's a development battle and a
[30:52.200 -> 30:56.320] development race and that brings in another fun element to Formula One too.
[30:56.320 -> 31:00.240] Yeah, so Jono, as you mentioned, big upgrade coming up the next round at Silverstone for
[31:00.240 -> 31:05.200] Mercedes as well. So let's see where they end up there. I think an important factor that we haven't really mentioned yet is that this was a sprint weekend as well. So let's see where they end up there. I think an important factor that we
[31:05.200 -> 31:10.160] haven't really mentioned yet is that this was a sprint weekend as well. So they had one hour of
[31:10.160 -> 31:14.960] practice to kind of lock down the setup and I think Mercedes is still getting their head around
[31:14.960 -> 31:24.000] this car, particularly when it's been a change of concept for them as well with the side pods and
[31:24.000 -> 31:26.720] the whole new front suspension as well. It's a
[31:26.720 -> 31:29.760] lot for them to get their heads around and I don't think they've quite nailed it just
[31:29.760 -> 31:34.680] yet. So the fact that we had such limited running before qualifying probably played
[31:34.680 -> 31:36.080] a part in that as well.
[31:36.080 -> 31:41.180] Oh Chris, what a beautiful point you've just made. Yes, I think engine setup is a huge
[31:41.180 -> 31:45.280] thing on a sprint weekend because teams can't switch around the way that they
[31:45.280 -> 31:50.120] used to be able to in previous seasons. So an engine setup that they would ideally have
[31:50.120 -> 31:55.720] for a short sprint race where you're not going to have pit stops, you ideally wouldn't have
[31:55.720 -> 32:01.240] at a normal race, which they've had to do. And so not only have they had limited time
[32:01.240 -> 32:05.040] to choose this setup, but this setup will have had to be a compromise
[32:05.040 -> 32:11.200] between two ideals. So it's so difficult for teams to nail and I think some teams really
[32:11.200 -> 32:17.760] hit the mark this weekend. Yeah, for example, the McLaren of Lando Norris and other teams just
[32:17.760 -> 32:22.640] didn't. So I think that's such an important point. And McLaren always seems to go really well
[32:27.160 -> 32:34.280] point. And McLaren always seems to go really well here, even though across like different engine manufacturers that they've had in the back of that car over the last few years or
[32:34.280 -> 32:39.640] so as well. But McLaren and Norris in particular always seems to go really well at Red Bull
[32:39.640 -> 32:46.400] Ring. And so I think you throw in those kind of variables on top of that, and you start to see
[32:46.400 -> 32:49.400] the sort of quite similar picture being formed there.
[32:49.400 -> 32:51.720] And like, we know that this track
[32:51.720 -> 32:52.680] can throw up some odd results
[32:52.680 -> 32:54.000] because look at what happened last year
[32:54.000 -> 32:56.240] when Charles Leclerc passed Max Verstappen
[32:56.240 -> 32:59.560] three times for the lead in a single race.
[32:59.560 -> 33:02.760] Yet either side of that event,
[33:02.760 -> 33:06.720] Friary was nowhere near Red Bull at that point in the season.
[33:06.720 -> 33:09.840] So I would always take this one with a pinch of salt.
[33:09.840 -> 33:17.120] Okay, well let's go to Ferrari, because if there's one thing I enjoy as someone who loves to hate
[33:17.680 -> 33:26.200] Ferrari in a way, because I do consider them my enemy, my pantomime enemy. Love you, Tifosi.
[33:26.200 -> 33:27.880] Love you, Ferrari fans.
[33:27.880 -> 33:29.760] There's nothing more I love
[33:29.760 -> 33:32.920] than seeing Ferrari fans getting false hope, Chris.
[33:32.920 -> 33:37.320] And I do believe that that is what this is.
[33:37.320 -> 33:41.000] Do you know what annoyed me today?
[33:41.000 -> 33:43.520] Ferrari did something great in Canada.
[33:43.520 -> 33:45.320] They actually nailed the strategy, right?
[33:45.320 -> 33:47.160] And everyone was going, oh my God,
[33:47.160 -> 33:48.460] this is like, they're getting on top of it.
[33:48.460 -> 33:51.680] And then Ferrari just went back to Ferrari-ing again
[33:51.680 -> 33:55.040] when they just did not let Carlos Sainz
[33:55.040 -> 33:56.640] pass Leclerc at some point.
[33:56.640 -> 33:58.600] He was obviously faster.
[33:58.600 -> 34:00.920] He'd been faster the entire weekend.
[34:00.920 -> 34:02.720] And suddenly when he's sitting there
[34:02.720 -> 34:04.920] three tenths behind Leclerc,
[34:04.920 -> 34:05.460] and he's not just
[34:05.460 -> 34:10.020] going to go and dive in on him without talking it through with the team and he's told no
[34:10.020 -> 34:15.260] don't attack. Why not? Verstappen's going off into the distance and getting smaller
[34:15.260 -> 34:19.540] and smaller in their view and all you're doing is letting him being held up behind his own
[34:19.540 -> 34:24.900] teammate and then getting screwed over with the pit stop under VSC as well.
[34:24.900 -> 34:30.200] I just want to save us some emails. Verstappen wasn't getting smaller, he was getting further away.
[34:30.200 -> 34:33.200] So I just want to just fend off some emails there. Antonia.
[34:33.200 -> 34:41.800] Oh, I think the Ferrari point is semi-valid, semi-invalid, because how could you have hope when you're hearing radio messages like,
[34:41.800 -> 34:50.720] oh, so do you want to do, we're thinking like a three-stop race? At a track where that is quite literally the most costly thing to do, are you joking? A 22nd
[34:51.760 -> 34:58.480] pit delta on a one-minute lap, are you joking? Put me in that seat, seriously, put me in it,
[34:58.480 -> 35:05.600] I can do it. I believe in my average personal ability. Yeah, because are you kidding me? Three stops
[35:05.600 -> 35:10.800] on a circuit where you ideally, in an ideal world, you would do that as a one stop and it's not,
[35:10.800 -> 35:15.600] you can't, but like, you know, that's the one circuit, the fastest lap on the calendar.
[35:15.600 -> 35:21.360] It's the fifth shortest distance lap, but time-wise, it's the shortest. Why would you do
[35:21.360 -> 35:25.160] three stops? Oh my God, Ferrari, please throw us a bone.
[35:25.160 -> 35:27.400] Throw us a bone. Throw us something, a scrap.
[35:27.400 -> 35:33.400] I'm just recovering slightly from Antonia, who I think just valley-girled the Ferrari pit wall.
[35:33.400 -> 35:35.160] But yeah, okay, Jono.
[35:35.160 -> 35:41.560] I think the theory by thinking three stops was due to the virtual safety car.
[35:41.560 -> 35:44.360] I don't think they even consider that without the VSC.
[35:44.360 -> 35:49.460] So the fact that they save so much time on that first stop, which by the way, barely
[35:49.460 -> 35:53.420] saved time on that first stop. You talk about two and a half seconds, or maybe not two and
[35:53.420 -> 35:58.060] a half, two seconds slower each car, and they barely made it to the pit lane. Add salt to
[35:58.060 -> 36:02.820] the wound is the fact that they, I think they crossed the pit entry blend line right as
[36:02.820 -> 36:08.800] the VSC was called, which was just such poor timing and yeah look that was the same for Max Verstappen Chris but it was the same for the
[36:08.800 -> 36:13.040] Ferraris and it came off at the worst time. I'm pretty sure it went green while Science
[36:13.040 -> 36:18.080] was still in the pit lane as well so yeah even more salt in the wounds.
[36:18.080 -> 36:23.680] And same for Stroll you know he got caught out the worst I think Stroll he was still in the lane but
[36:23.680 -> 36:26.480] here's the point and I'm completely with Chris on this.
[36:26.800 -> 36:31.360] Whether Science would have won the race or not is probably not true,
[36:31.360 -> 36:32.960] but they should have at least released him.
[36:32.960 -> 36:34.160] I understand why.
[36:34.160 -> 36:35.760] You don't want to upset Leclerc.
[36:35.760 -> 36:39.280] There's a bigger sort of emotional, human aspect to this than just
[36:39.600 -> 36:41.760] letting Science through, and they're all happy-go-lucky.
[36:42.400 -> 36:44.480] But Science took all the hits of Ferrari today.
[36:44.480 -> 36:48.040] He never got released to chase Verstappen, never got to show the true potential of the car.
[36:48.200 -> 36:53.600] He's quicker than Leclerc on race pace, and he potentially saved Leclerc's P2 from Perez.
[36:54.120 -> 36:59.320] Yeah, I really do want to talk about Sainz because I think his relationship with his pit
[36:59.320 -> 37:00.840] wall engineer is really interesting.
[37:00.840 -> 37:03.080] I've just had someone on my Instagram mentioned this.
[37:03.520 -> 37:09.380] Sainz was so unhappy with what he was being told from the pit wall today. And we've been saying
[37:09.380 -> 37:15.800] this all season, even last season, the season before heck, we were saying this. Why, why
[37:15.800 -> 37:20.920] is there not a clearer established relationship between the drivers and their pit wall? Because
[37:20.920 -> 37:25.440] at the moment, it seems they're bossing each other around with no clear, almost
[37:25.440 -> 37:30.600] hierarchy of, right, signs, we know best here, we're going to tell you what to do versus
[37:30.600 -> 37:34.520] maybe a different approach of, we know that you're the one on track signs, what do you
[37:34.520 -> 37:40.680] want to do? It just seems so up in the air where every one of that team appears clueless.
[37:40.680 -> 37:45.280] And again, it's farcical because it's embarrassing for Ferrari to be knocking back and forth
[37:45.280 -> 37:49.760] going, Oh, well, um, science, what do you think we should do? And or then on the on
[37:49.760 -> 37:54.520] the opposite side, offering something to science and him going, No, what's wrong with you?
[37:54.520 -> 37:55.520] And Leclerc as well.
[37:55.520 -> 38:00.920] Well, exactly. It's with both of them. And I've said this so many times on this podcast,
[38:00.920 -> 38:04.360] and I wish Ferrari would watch this podcast because they could do with some advice.
[38:04.360 -> 38:05.160] They could do with some advice.
[38:05.160 -> 38:08.520] They could do with you, you know, you're brilliant, it's them that's stupid.
[38:08.520 -> 38:14.160] Well but, and I, you know, not to, I don't genuinely believe I'd be a very good strategist.
[38:14.160 -> 38:19.640] I just think some of the calls that are being made, even on the surface level, their communication
[38:19.640 -> 38:26.120] has completely broken down. Poor Charles, poor Charles. His radio messages, you can hear
[38:26.120 -> 38:30.680] the despondency and the sadness in his voice as he goes, no, what was that? What were you
[38:30.680 -> 38:35.280] thinking? What were we doing? I think there was a pit call relatively, oh here, signs
[38:35.280 -> 38:40.520] radio message to on lap 16, he went, oh guys, come on, because they had a really bad pit
[38:40.520 -> 38:41.960] stop under the virtual safety car.
[38:41.960 -> 38:43.560] They double stacked.
[38:43.560 -> 38:45.840] And it was not the right decision. You know,
[38:45.840 -> 38:48.840] these drivers don't believe in their pit wall.
[38:48.840 -> 38:52.560] And then Christian Horner, even in his post-race interviews is going, well, I don't know why
[38:52.560 -> 38:57.380] Ferrari didn't double stack. We would have double stacked. And then, yeah, not giving
[38:57.380 -> 39:02.800] themselves a fighting chance. And science does come across as just purely exasperated
[39:02.800 -> 39:05.760] about it. And it's all on show. That's the thing. It's all very
[39:05.760 -> 39:10.320] public laundry that's being put out there. And it does kind of go back to the Vettel
[39:10.320 -> 39:15.360] days as well. And there was a lot of talk in those days about, well, Vettel is the best
[39:15.360 -> 39:19.840] strategist in F1 because he's having to call the strategy from in the car. And I don't
[39:19.840 -> 39:31.080] think it's that particularly... Well, maybe he did have a good strategy eye, but it wasn't because he was being the best strategy driver out there, it's just he had no option at the time
[39:31.080 -> 39:36.720] but to overrule the team. And that seems to have continued, and I know this is very armchair
[39:36.720 -> 39:41.600] fan Jono, but I think Antonio does have a very good point because it seems like there
[39:41.600 -> 39:45.640] isn't just a confidence on the pit wall to go, we're doing this.
[39:45.640 -> 39:47.800] And like when Lewis Hamilton complains,
[39:47.800 -> 39:50.600] they will say, they will give like a firm answer.
[39:50.600 -> 39:53.240] They'll say, if you do that, Lewis,
[39:53.240 -> 39:54.480] we're going to miss out.
[39:54.480 -> 39:57.360] We're going to lose out to the two cars behind.
[39:57.360 -> 39:59.680] And Lewis is going, yeah, but I'm looking at P1.
[39:59.680 -> 40:02.800] No, you're P11, Lewis, we're defending the undercut
[40:02.800 -> 40:04.920] from P12 and P13.
[40:04.920 -> 40:09.640] Lewis has also had the same race engineer now for nine years, ten years almost, since
[40:09.640 -> 40:12.760] 2013, so he has built a much more trustworthy relationship.
[40:12.760 -> 40:17.840] I'm glad you brought up Veddhal, and as somebody myself who loves F1 history, great person
[40:17.840 -> 40:18.840] to talk about.
[40:18.840 -> 40:22.480] But I was trying to think, when we brought this topic up, when did this whole Ferrari
[40:22.480 -> 40:29.040] storyline of them being bad at strategy start? Because remember in the mid 2000s, they used to be the kings of strategy back
[40:29.040 -> 40:32.440] with Ross Brawn and Michael Schumacher and everything. And I was like, I remember the
[40:32.440 -> 40:38.080] race now. It was 2010 Abu Dhabi. It was when Fernando Alonso lost the title. And that was
[40:38.080 -> 40:42.560] the beginning, I remember, of Ferrari strategy getting trashed week in, week out. And since
[40:42.560 -> 40:51.040] then it's been 13 years, almost 12 and a half years since that race and we're still talking about it. They didn't have a great strategy they
[40:51.040 -> 40:55.520] just had a car that it didn't matter what strategy they did they would still win the race. But I
[40:55.520 -> 41:02.160] remember I remember even in 2010 even in 2010 you know they had a huge lead in the summer or 2012
[41:02.160 -> 41:31.440] it was 2012 they had a huge lead in the summer like over a. It was 2012. They had a huge lead in the summer, like over a race wins lead. And that was, you know, people were talking even then about like, they Ferrari'd that lead. So I think even by then, they kind of had that reputation. And, and it was, even then it was like, they are wasting Fernando Alonso. I remember that being the narrative of that time. So that did exist then. And Chris is absolutely right. I don't think they could do any wrong. I think the Ferrari of the early 2000s is comparable to the turbo hybrid Mercedes and to the
[41:31.440 -> 41:38.000] the Red Bull of now. Antonia? Yeah, well, I mean, you said they wasted Alonso. Look at the talent
[41:38.000 -> 41:43.200] that lies dormant in Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz, two world champions if I ever did see.
[41:43.840 -> 41:48.200] Carlos Sainz, two world champions if I ever did see. I mean, even as early as I think it was 2019,
[41:48.200 -> 41:51.120] Charles Leclerc specifically was getting pole position
[41:51.120 -> 41:52.040] after pole position.
[41:52.040 -> 41:56.200] He was getting his maiden race wins in Spa and Italy.
[41:56.200 -> 42:00.920] And gosh, that 2019, the Italian Grand Prix at Monza,
[42:00.920 -> 42:04.240] Charles Leclerc's win brought a tear to my eye.
[42:04.240 -> 42:07.600] It was absolute magic. And
[42:07.600 -> 42:13.320] then the just disaster class began. And it's exasperating because you do feel like they're
[42:13.320 -> 42:18.800] wasting the talent of the drivers that they have. Drivers shouldn't need to make the strategy
[42:18.800 -> 42:23.760] call from their car. It's not their job. They might think they know better, but it is not
[42:23.760 -> 42:26.280] their job. They are there to drive the car.
[42:26.280 -> 42:28.520] That's why we have a whole wall of people
[42:28.520 -> 42:30.080] who have all of the data,
[42:30.080 -> 42:31.960] and even more people back at the factory
[42:31.960 -> 42:34.080] who then communicate the data.
[42:34.080 -> 42:36.360] It is not the driver's job to say,
[42:36.360 -> 42:37.900] okay, I think we should pit lap 13
[42:37.900 -> 42:40.000] because we need to defend from the undercut.
[42:40.000 -> 42:41.080] It's ridiculous.
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[43:40.880 -> 44:09.680] daily fantasy sports made easy. Prize Picks, Daily over it with paint. So, yes, but you're right. All these points
[44:09.680 -> 44:14.680] are valid for our team that have made number twos out of champions and have wasted a lot
[44:14.680 -> 44:19.200] of talent and that is continuing today. But let's look at specifically some of the stuff
[44:19.200 -> 44:25.480] that happened with Carlos Sainz. There was a fantastic battle between Carlos Sainz and Sergio
[44:25.480 -> 44:31.800] Perez. Now these are two drivers that have big fan followings. They're not mugs,
[44:31.800 -> 44:36.460] neither of them have yet to show their full potential, or you could
[44:36.460 -> 44:40.280] argue with Perez that he's wasted a little bit of that potential at
[44:40.280 -> 44:45.940] times. But they're two drivers, I think Perez had the car advantage today. I think
[44:45.940 -> 44:50.740] Sainz was possibly the better driver, but they did provide like two or three laps of
[44:50.740 -> 44:58.340] great entertainment. Perez not quite able to have that killer thrust early on, which
[44:58.340 -> 45:07.800] extended it and potentially cost him second place. The big talking point, I think, from that is Carlos Sainz accusing
[45:07.800 -> 45:16.960] Sergio Perez of intimidation, Antonio. He was speaking so confidently as if you're not
[45:16.960 -> 45:19.320] allowed to intimidate a driver.
[45:19.320 -> 45:23.480] Yeah, some of these drivers would just be eaten alive by Michael Schumacher, wouldn't
[45:23.480 -> 45:28.000] they? My gosh, they would just be absolutely battered by him on the circuit because what
[45:28.000 -> 45:33.160] of course is intimidation? What's wrong with intimidation? That's part of the strategy.
[45:33.160 -> 45:36.760] You know, you follow really closely and then overtake them. I think in the sprint race
[45:36.760 -> 45:41.860] yesterday it was really interesting to see Fernando Alonso and Lance Stroll. Alonso constantly
[45:41.860 -> 45:46.560] letting Stroll know that he could overtake him if he wanted to but didn't.
[45:47.840 -> 45:53.360] Intimidation, there is nothing wrong with intimidation. That's a very normal race thing,
[45:53.360 -> 46:00.560] you know, we can expect that from drivers. However, I just think that that battle was finally
[46:00.560 -> 46:10.000] a glimpse of something good. I think we all saw the Stapp and Cruz on by and we thought, oh gosh, you know, signs isn't going to last a minute. And then he did, and then he continued
[46:10.000 -> 46:14.760] to last. And it was fantastic. I know there's a bit of a debate about him moving under braking,
[46:14.760 -> 46:21.680] maybe. To be honest, I think it was just good, scrappy defensiveness. I think it was a really,
[46:21.680 -> 46:25.000] really great battle. I'll hum. I'm gonna hum.
[46:25.000 -> 46:27.000] Oh, is that disapproving?
[46:27.000 -> 46:31.000] No, not disapproving at all, because you're allowed to defend your position.
[46:31.000 -> 46:36.000] But, and I think that there's a decision about when you head to the apex
[46:36.000 -> 46:39.000] and whether you should leave a car's width to the car on the apex.
[46:39.000 -> 46:40.000] Do they deserve room?
[46:40.000 -> 46:43.000] Once you go on the exit, should you leave, you know,
[46:43.000 -> 46:47.680] push them off track Verstappen-Hamilton style, or whether to leave them room on the exit, should you leave, you know, you know, push them off track Verstappen-Hamilton style or whether to leave them room on the exit.
[46:47.680 -> 46:52.080] The thing I think is that once you get into the braking zone, you kind of, you
[46:52.080 -> 46:55.560] pick your line by the time you get to the braking zone. So, and I think that's
[46:55.560 -> 47:00.800] fair, so you're alongside, you've got the exit from the previous corner and
[47:00.800 -> 47:08.640] that's your lot. It's like, did you get your car alongside enough? Are you going to try and outbrake them and get your car alongside enough?
[47:08.640 -> 47:12.440] But I do feel like it's an unwritten rule that's never been kind of clarified,
[47:12.440 -> 47:18.720] that once you get into that braking zone, it's then too late to like pretend that
[47:18.720 -> 47:23.840] you were four or five meters over to the right and then continue that braking zone.
[47:23.840 -> 47:28.160] So I do think there's a case to say moving in the braking zone is something we don't want.
[47:28.160 -> 47:33.200] Of course Verstappen showed that to glorious effect in like 2017, 2018.
[47:33.200 -> 47:37.280] I don't know, let's focus on the moving in the braking zone specifically.
[47:37.280 -> 47:43.160] Jono, I don't think this was a particularly bad case of it, but I did think he did do it.
[47:43.160 -> 47:44.600] It was very close.
[47:44.600 -> 47:45.840] It was good hard racing.
[47:45.840 -> 47:47.840] I thought it was kind of fun to watch.
[47:47.880 -> 47:48.320] Oh, yeah.
[47:48.320 -> 47:52.560] One thing is, I do think it was kind of lost in translation.
[47:53.120 -> 47:57.520] You know, knowing Carlos Sainz is a very good English speaker and no discrediting him.
[47:57.520 -> 48:01.280] But I think I don't think intimidating is the word he was probably looking for.
[48:01.280 -> 48:03.440] I think maybe there's just the word in English.
[48:03.440 -> 48:05.040] He didn't know how to,
[48:08.240 -> 48:09.840] it could have translated differently. This happens a lot of the time. I know a lot of Spanish people who will say stuff and I go, what? And then they explain to me and I go, oh.
[48:09.840 -> 48:15.760] Can I interrupt because we've got Jose in our Patreon Slack group who is from Valencia
[48:15.760 -> 48:20.960] and he's saying, intimidation does mean exactly the same in Spanish. So I do wonder, Chris,
[48:20.960 -> 48:24.320] what was he driving at? Is there some specific regulation?
[48:22.720 -> 48:24.700] I do wonder, Chris, what was he driving at? Is there some specific regulation?
[48:25.700 -> 48:27.140] I don't really know.
[48:27.140 -> 48:30.200] I lost a bit of respect for car law science today,
[48:30.200 -> 48:32.160] to be honest, with that radio call.
[48:32.160 -> 48:33.500] It was weird.
[48:33.500 -> 48:36.120] It was really weird, and it sounded a bit like,
[48:37.240 -> 48:38.440] I think last time I was on the show,
[48:38.440 -> 48:40.920] I was talking about how I'm fed up of drivers
[48:40.920 -> 48:41.800] just getting on the radio
[48:41.800 -> 48:43.560] and complaining about other drivers
[48:43.560 -> 48:45.320] for doing really nothing wrong.
[48:45.320 -> 48:50.520] And this was a prime example of just science getting on the blower and going, where, where,
[48:50.520 -> 48:52.720] Paris is hounding me, where, where.
[48:52.720 -> 48:54.440] Ooh, that's so harsh.
[48:54.440 -> 49:00.040] No, but frankly, what science was doing in his defense was far more aggressive and let's
[49:00.040 -> 49:03.700] say intimidating than what Paris was doing in his attack.
[49:03.700 -> 49:05.560] And it was a great battle to watch.
[49:05.560 -> 49:08.420] And again, I think somewhat slightly dampened
[49:08.420 -> 49:11.240] by the fact that we spent the whole time talking about,
[49:11.240 -> 49:13.680] is he gonna be behind the DRS line this time?
[49:13.680 -> 49:15.640] Is he gonna time the braking just right?
[49:15.640 -> 49:19.000] I mean, that's not racing, let's talk about racing.
[49:19.000 -> 49:21.280] Okay, I have a couple of points off of that actually.
[49:21.280 -> 49:22.800] Tell us both of them.
[49:22.800 -> 49:24.600] You can have as many as you want.
[49:24.600 -> 49:25.680] Two, exactly two.
[49:25.680 -> 49:30.960] Okay, exactly two. Yeah, I think the whole intimidation thing is ridiculous. I think
[49:30.960 -> 49:35.360] in a way it might have been playing to this new regulation that we've had recircling
[49:35.360 -> 49:40.800] the sportsman-like behavior that we've heard being thrown around a couple of times. Now,
[49:40.800 -> 49:45.400] obviously this was not necessarily unsportsmanlike, it was just hard racing,
[49:45.400 -> 49:49.840] but I think maybe Carlos Sainz was just trying to get a little wedge in the door there thinking
[49:49.840 -> 49:54.600] this isn't very nice, this isn't very clean, you know, he says this whilst moving under
[49:54.600 -> 49:59.760] braking, but I digress. I think that's probably what he was trying to jab out with that word
[49:59.760 -> 50:06.480] there, the intimidation. Now, onto the DRS lines. I'm going to put forth a very interesting
[50:06.480 -> 50:11.560] point here, which I mean, I think it's very interesting. I don't think a circuit like
[50:11.560 -> 50:19.040] this, we need DRS whatsoever. There is natural drag resistance from the altitude. I actually
[50:19.040 -> 50:24.480] think DRS kind of took away from some of the racing today. All it did was make gaps huge.
[50:24.480 -> 50:25.900] I don't think we needed it at all.
[50:25.900 -> 50:28.420] The drag resistance was from the altitude.
[50:28.420 -> 50:32.600] The negative so-called effects of having downforce
[50:32.600 -> 50:34.280] were already canceled out.
[50:34.280 -> 50:35.860] I actually think the racing would have been better
[50:35.860 -> 50:37.620] without it, and in the sprint race,
[50:37.620 -> 50:39.700] the racing was better before it.
[50:39.700 -> 50:41.180] I've said this before, I'm gonna say it again,
[50:41.180 -> 50:43.740] I'm gonna keep saying it until they change the rule,
[50:43.740 -> 50:49.440] change the format of DRS to like a timed amount, you get 200 seconds of it, you can use it
[50:49.440 -> 50:55.640] whenever you want during the race and we won't have these stupid easy DRS passes because
[50:55.640 -> 51:01.360] if you do anything other than an easy DRS pass now, then people freak out and say, oh,
[51:01.360 -> 51:05.080] that was far too aggressive and oh, he's driving like a maniac.
[51:05.080 -> 51:09.520] This is true. I do think you are right. And if it's not, this is something I've noticed
[51:09.520 -> 51:14.080] as well. If it's not a clean overtake on a straight where they just cruise on by, it's
[51:14.080 -> 51:18.920] considered, oh, he's just gone up the inside. Oh, look how close that was. And in normal
[51:18.920 -> 51:23.560] racing per se, that is just considered an overtake. I think bringing in a cool sort
[51:23.560 -> 51:29.040] of attack mode, almost like there is in other series like Formula E, would be really interesting because it does also
[51:29.040 -> 51:31.360] add a strategic element to racing.
[51:31.360 -> 51:35.880] You know what's going to happen, Spanners? Straight away. We take out DRS, we limit it
[51:35.880 -> 51:41.160] like Chris says, we do all this kind of stuff, all these gimmicks, and then fans will complain
[51:41.160 -> 51:49.840] about not having good racing and there's not enough overtakes and the drivers whine too much and people complain about this all the time and people you know to me complaining
[51:49.840 -> 51:56.480] about complaining number one stop fans out there in F1. Number two, DRS is so essential.
[51:57.040 -> 52:02.560] I can't endorse that. I'll endorse the second one, DRS is essential right now. I think Antonio
[52:02.560 -> 52:09.720] makes a great case for this specific track and they should be more flexible around tracks because we've got more than enough historical
[52:09.720 -> 52:13.320] data to say where DRS works and where it doesn't.
[52:13.320 -> 52:19.040] Or alternatively, sorry, what they could do would be take Chris's suggestion partially
[52:19.040 -> 52:23.920] and they mediate it according to the demands of the circuit. So at a circuit like this,
[52:23.920 -> 52:29.440] there's less DRS allowance. At a higher downforce circuit, generally, you know, like Monaco, there's
[52:29.440 -> 52:34.880] greater DRS allowance. And then that would then mediate that. And I'm sorry, you're completely
[52:34.880 -> 52:39.920] right, Jono, people complain constantly. In my comments, I always have people saying,
[52:39.920 -> 52:44.640] oh, I wish we could go back to the Schumacher era, as if they were alive in that era. But
[52:44.640 -> 52:49.600] you know, people will always complain and they refer to a different era of racing as the scope of comparison
[52:49.600 -> 52:54.960] and it's like, well, you were all complaining back then too. All your TikTok viewers are like 20,
[52:54.960 -> 52:59.120] like you, and therefore their opinions are irrelevant. So you can just safely, you can
[52:59.120 -> 53:04.000] ignore that safely. Guys, I know, I think, you know, we're getting into kind of like non-race
[53:08.500 -> 53:14.740] Guys, I think we're getting into non-race topics and so we don't want to descend into anonymity by not concentrating on the race. Otherwise, Chris, we'd be Aston Martin. Where
[53:14.740 -> 53:19.580] were they today? Without their appeal, where were they today? I'll tell you what though,
[53:19.580 -> 53:26.400] Aston Martin are the best team at arguing rules and decisions. You know when they got the
[53:26.400 -> 53:31.200] decision overturned for the penalty where they touched the car before the penalty had
[53:31.200 -> 53:36.280] expired and then they somehow argued that they didn't do that and then they didn't
[53:36.280 -> 53:43.240] get a penalty? Like Aston Martin are absolutely bomb hot at arguing and they have caused in
[53:43.240 -> 53:45.760] a lot of ways the massive headache for the FIA
[53:45.760 -> 53:50.320] by rightly pointing out that they weren't monitoring it properly and they've gained a
[53:50.320 -> 53:57.520] place. So Aston Martin and Loki are the best arguers but in the race a little bit disappointing.
[53:58.560 -> 54:06.320] Yeah the pace just kind of wasn't there really which I think maybe is to be expected with Ferrari bringing updates
[54:06.320 -> 54:14.080] and Mercedes bringing updates and you know we're talking about how the rate of the updates is
[54:15.120 -> 54:21.120] affecting the the field of play and is you know affecting the order on a race by race basis and
[54:21.120 -> 54:25.960] I think we're just kind of in that Aston Martin lull period that will maybe come back up
[54:25.960 -> 54:27.280] when they start bringing upgrades again.
[54:27.280 -> 54:31.400] But, you know, once again, we've got Stroll not being
[54:33.200 -> 54:35.200] in the right, on the pace basically.
[54:35.200 -> 54:37.120] Cause you look how close he was to Alonso
[54:37.120 -> 54:39.360] at the start of the race.
[54:39.360 -> 54:41.080] You know, they were alongside each other.
[54:41.080 -> 54:42.280] I know he had the third stop
[54:42.280 -> 54:45.640] and maybe was slightly screwed by the VSC, but he still
[54:45.640 -> 54:48.400] barely scraped a point today.
[54:48.400 -> 54:55.520] Or maybe he got bumped up to ninth because of all these penalties, but still not where
[54:55.520 -> 54:56.520] he should be.
[54:56.520 -> 55:01.800] Yeah, no, going back to their whole not being anywhere today thingy, I've done every race
[55:01.800 -> 55:03.360] I do color-coordinated notes.
[55:03.360 -> 55:09.680] I'm not sure if you can see, for each driver and each team, and on my sheet of a whole page of colour coordinated
[55:09.680 -> 55:15.080] notes I've used my green highlighter for Aston Martin two times, once on lap 18 to say Stroll
[55:15.080 -> 55:20.520] is down in 15th, he pitted too late, and then again on lap 37 just to say that Stroll pitted
[55:20.520 -> 55:24.120] onto the hard tyres. They were nowhere this race.
[55:24.120 -> 55:28.800] Aston was trying that contrary strategy, wasn't they strategy with Alonso that just kind of didn't go anywhere,
[55:28.800 -> 55:29.800] basically.
[55:29.800 -> 55:33.400] Starting him on the hard tyre and then the early VSC wanting to bring him in, that was
[55:33.400 -> 55:35.060] not good timing.
[55:35.060 -> 55:40.560] One thing we mustn't forget is, and last week we were on the Mailbag Show and we severely
[55:40.560 -> 55:46.980] criticised Lance Stroll, one of the Mailbag questions came in and said, well, why does he still have that seat?
[55:46.980 -> 55:49.280] Well, I'll tell you this, he did very well this weekend
[55:49.280 -> 55:51.560] and did finish above Alonso in a lot of the sessions,
[55:51.560 -> 55:53.060] finished above him in a sprint,
[55:53.980 -> 55:57.240] qualified just below him in sprint shootout,
[55:57.240 -> 55:59.320] and every other session did well, except the race.
[55:59.320 -> 56:01.520] Now, here's where Lance Stroll went wrong.
[56:01.520 -> 56:06.960] Why go on the inside of turn one on lap one when you know Fernando Alonso is
[56:06.960 -> 56:14.400] the outside-line king of Formula One history, and go sailing past when you're stuck in a log jam of
[56:14.400 -> 56:18.800] cars and drivers? And you should know better than that, Lance, who's apparently World Championship
[56:18.800 -> 56:24.640] Talent, Chris. Yeah, so it's okay that he did bad because he sucks at lap ones, basically,
[56:24.640 -> 56:25.680] is what we say. No. Well, also the fact that he did lose because he sucks at lap ones, basically, is what we say.
[56:25.680 -> 56:30.640] No. Well, also the fact that he did lose a lot of time, as you both mentioned, under the VSC,
[56:30.640 -> 56:35.040] and he did lose a lot of time in traffic because of his terrible start to the race,
[56:35.040 -> 56:39.920] which there's no exception, that cost him the race there, was turn one, lap one. If he's ahead
[56:39.920 -> 56:44.480] of Alonso at that stage, you know what, Fernando probably makes his way past, finishes a few seconds
[56:44.480 -> 56:48.160] ahead of him, but it's not inflated to, I think it was like 30 seconds at the
[56:48.160 -> 56:52.680] line between the two, which is over a full pit stop. So not the best of looks for Lance
[56:52.680 -> 56:57.800] Stroll in the Grand Prix in the event that matters. But I have to say throughout the
[56:57.800 -> 57:03.080] weekend, I was actually quite, not impressed, but I was quite pleased with the fact that
[57:03.080 -> 57:09.200] he wasn't embarrassed as he was in previous races by his teammate. Which also, credit to Lance Stroll, can I just mention,
[57:09.200 -> 57:13.240] resting his wrist a lot, still recovering from that injury he had pre-season.
[57:13.240 -> 57:17.520] It's still a low bar, Antonio. I still get upset about the low bar. So, Jono has just
[57:17.520 -> 57:22.680] sat there and gone, well, he wasn't embarrassed by his teammate. It's a low bar.
[57:22.680 -> 57:27.600] Yeah, it really is. Again, we've spoken about this a few times where we've said,
[57:27.600 -> 57:33.160] oh, you know, go easy on Lance. He's with Fernando Alonso, a two-time world champion,
[57:33.160 -> 57:37.400] as he should be, as every driver should be. There's 20 of them in the whole world. He's
[57:37.400 -> 57:43.240] got to be pretty, pretty blimming good to be up there. But I mean, there just has to
[57:43.240 -> 57:45.600] be a certain standard that we hold these drivers to. I really
[57:45.600 -> 57:53.200] wanted to touch actually on Alfa Tauri with these drivers because with Alfa Tauri, oh my goodness,
[57:53.200 -> 58:00.240] I'm getting so fed up of them being so blimming bang average. De Vries is not doing any good.
[58:00.240 -> 58:00.640] I agree.
[58:00.640 -> 58:04.800] It's the Noda, actually, I think to be honest, I think his incident in lap one was absolutely
[58:04.800 -> 58:08.240] horrendous. He braked way too late and it was very poor racing from him.
[58:08.240 -> 58:12.600] So you know, I'm a Yuki fan, you all know I'm a Sonoda fan, and he's pushing, he's pushing
[58:12.600 -> 58:17.280] really hard right now. And he's trying to show that he's going to be the next Verstappen,
[58:17.280 -> 58:21.200] the next person to go into that Red Bull seat. But you know, today he just had a he had a
[58:21.200 -> 58:28.320] rush of blood. He got caught up in a pack of people around him,
[58:28.320 -> 58:33.280] lost his front wing, he was fighting Sergio Perez really hard. It really felt like he was like,
[58:33.280 -> 58:38.720] nah, this is all or nothing, this is a chance for glory, I'm gonna go, go, go. And he went for it,
[58:38.720 -> 58:44.560] and then he got to I think the turn four right-hander and did not account at all for
[58:44.560 -> 58:46.720] the concertina effect of the pack
[58:46.720 -> 58:50.400] bunching up and Chris, like what do we say? What do we say to people like even in our
[58:50.400 -> 58:55.080] iRacing thing? That's the number one thing we say lap one you are not going to be able
[58:55.080 -> 59:00.960] to pick your normal braking point and he just flew past everyone. I'm glad he didn't just
[59:00.960 -> 59:07.040] go and rear-end everyone but like that's quite a... it feels like a basic error.
[59:07.600 -> 59:11.200] Well, he steamed into Turn 1 super aggressively.
[59:11.200 -> 59:11.440] Yes.
[59:12.160 -> 59:15.280] And it was a win or bin it in Turn 1 move.
[59:15.280 -> 59:18.320] Win or bin, that's the key phrase. He went win or bin today.
[59:18.320 -> 59:23.360] Yeah. By the time you get to F1, you should know that you can't win a race on the first lap.
[59:23.360 -> 59:28.520] You can definitely lose it. And Tsunoda lost it because he clipped his front wing and then lost all the downforce,
[59:28.520 -> 59:32.520] didn't even attempt to accommodate for that going into turn four, and ended up in the
[59:32.520 -> 59:38.440] gravel, because he's being way too aggressive for some reason. I don't know what someone
[59:38.440 -> 59:41.760] said to him that morning. It's like he's sore red today.
[59:41.760 -> 59:46.320] But Verstappen was praised for his aggression
[59:46.320 -> 59:48.160] at the same stage in his career.
[59:48.160 -> 59:51.160] Controlled aggression though, that was the crucial thing.
[59:51.160 -> 59:53.520] Shanghai into Sebastian Vettel,
[59:53.520 -> 59:55.440] that was controlled aggression.
[59:55.440 -> 59:57.600] I can give you eight other examples.
[59:57.600 -> 01:00:00.880] But it was, the thing, well, you're forgetting as well
[01:00:00.880 -> 01:00:03.880] that Verstappen was also insanely fast as well.
[01:00:03.880 -> 01:00:05.600] So it was more about polishing
[01:00:05.600 -> 01:00:10.880] him a little bit and refining him whereas Yuki hasn't come in with that same kind of credential
[01:00:10.880 -> 01:00:15.920] as he's still trying to prove himself. Oh, Jono's mad at me. No, no, I'll tell you first and then
[01:00:15.920 -> 01:00:22.880] we'll have Jono being mad at you. Yuki's not 17. You know, Verstappen, when he came into F1,
[01:00:22.880 -> 01:00:30.280] he was this teeny tiny kid with all of this massive potential, right? Yuki Tsunoda is now a seasoned Formula One driver
[01:00:30.280 -> 01:00:36.320] who has consistently shown that he cannot provide results due to his impulsive, aggressive
[01:00:36.320 -> 01:00:42.520] driving. He has consistently proven that he, frankly, is not up to the mark.
[01:00:42.520 -> 01:00:44.560] I don't like this.
[01:00:44.560 -> 01:00:46.320] When he came into to everyone, everyone
[01:00:46.320 -> 01:00:49.680] said the same things that, yes, they said about the SAP and they said, gosh, this kid's
[01:00:49.680 -> 01:00:55.000] got pace. He's going to be good. And yes, with the SAP, and exactly like Chris said,
[01:00:55.000 -> 01:01:01.000] that could then be shaped and it did shape. He got the experience points very, very quickly.
[01:01:01.000 -> 01:01:10.440] Unfortunately, and I do mean unfortunately, because I really do root for Yuki. For me, I'm past my point of sympathy with him. I'm a bit more forgiving on Devries,
[01:01:10.440 -> 01:01:16.280] who a bit more forgiving because he has experience in other racing series. They are just not
[01:01:16.280 -> 01:01:21.200] providing results. And I think mistakes like the one Sonoda made today, rookie, rookie
[01:01:21.200 -> 01:01:22.200] error.
[01:01:22.200 -> 01:01:26.200] Are you making me, all of that made me sad. Jonno, cheer me up. I can't cheer you up.
[01:01:26.200 -> 01:01:27.800] Oh, in that case, Chris.
[01:01:27.800 -> 01:01:29.800] Well, move to Chris.
[01:01:29.800 -> 01:01:30.800] No, no, no.
[01:01:30.800 -> 01:01:34.200] The- Chris, here's a good question for you.
[01:01:34.200 -> 01:01:38.400] Who do you think we are gonna put in that second Red Bull?
[01:01:38.400 -> 01:01:41.800] Realistically, because we're not gonna put like, Lewis Hamilton or Fernando Alonso, right?
[01:01:41.800 -> 01:01:45.040] Like, realistically, from the Red Bull Junior Program,
[01:01:45.040 -> 01:01:49.600] that is not gonna have their career ended by Max Verstappen.
[01:01:49.600 -> 01:01:51.120] Doesn't matter who you put in.
[01:01:51.120 -> 01:01:53.140] Yeah, this is really true, isn't it?
[01:01:53.140 -> 01:01:56.320] Because Max Verstappen wrecks careers of his teammates
[01:01:56.320 -> 01:01:59.440] just in the same way that Lewis Hamilton pretty much
[01:01:59.440 -> 01:02:01.000] has done, or you just make it very good.
[01:02:01.000 -> 01:02:02.720] Poor Kovalainen.
[01:02:02.720 -> 01:02:03.560] Yeah.
[01:02:03.560 -> 01:02:04.400] Yeah.
[01:02:04.400 -> 01:02:06.000] Poor guy. He was right on the brink.
[01:02:06.000 -> 01:02:08.000] And then Lewis.
[01:02:08.000 -> 01:02:10.000] Yeah.
[01:02:10.000 -> 01:02:12.000] Didn't he have Fernando Alonso as a teammate
[01:02:12.000 -> 01:02:14.000] as well? He did.
[01:02:14.000 -> 01:02:16.000] No, no, no, no, no, he didn't. Sorry.
[01:02:16.000 -> 01:02:18.000] Excuse me. Oh, no. Okay. That was
[01:02:18.000 -> 01:02:20.000] the between years.
[01:02:20.000 -> 01:02:22.000] But yeah, no, I mean
[01:02:22.000 -> 01:02:24.000] it's funny. I was talking about this
[01:02:24.000 -> 01:02:25.560] on the way to the karting event
[01:02:25.560 -> 01:02:30.960] actually where we're in that situation with the Red Bull Junior program again, or we're
[01:02:30.960 -> 01:02:37.180] getting close to it anyway, purely because they seem to refuse to actually bring their
[01:02:37.180 -> 01:02:39.280] drivers up into Formula One.
[01:02:39.280 -> 01:02:41.380] They've let so many go by the wayside.
[01:02:41.380 -> 01:02:49.540] And do you remember a few years ago when they had literally no one, and they had to go through the bin and find drivers that they'd fired to come and drive
[01:02:49.540 -> 01:02:50.540] for Alfa Terri?
[01:02:50.540 -> 01:02:53.540] That's when they got Brendan Hartley, and they brought back Alex Albon as well?
[01:02:53.540 -> 01:02:54.540] Really embarrassing.
[01:02:54.540 -> 01:02:55.540] ALICE Aw, leave Brendan Hartley alone!
[01:02:55.540 -> 01:02:56.540] Oh my goodness.
[01:02:56.540 -> 01:02:58.540] JUSTIN Just got a street named after him, leave him
[01:02:58.540 -> 01:02:59.540] alone!
[01:02:59.540 -> 01:03:01.420] ALICE Look, it was really embarrassing for Red Bull
[01:03:01.420 -> 01:03:02.980] to have to do that.
[01:03:02.980 -> 01:03:04.380] And now, I think there are two.
[01:03:04.380 -> 01:03:05.520] I think there are two. I think there are two.
[01:03:05.520 -> 01:03:09.000] Liam Lawson is obviously the one being very much talked
[01:03:09.000 -> 01:03:13.040] about with his career heading into Japan now.
[01:03:15.560 -> 01:03:17.340] Staying in Formula Two for him was never
[01:03:17.340 -> 01:03:19.560] gonna achieve anything, but he wasn't gonna go
[01:03:19.560 -> 01:03:21.320] into Formula One because there wasn't a space.
[01:03:21.320 -> 01:03:23.400] So I think very much this is a space
[01:03:23.400 -> 01:03:25.200] at AlphaTauri there for him and I
[01:03:25.200 -> 01:03:32.720] think the other one would be Ayumu Iwasa who is in the hunt for the F2 title at the moment. Maybe not
[01:03:32.720 -> 01:03:37.920] to the same degree as Lawson but of the ones that are in F2 right now Iwasa to me seems to be the
[01:03:37.920 -> 01:03:46.040] most impressive. All right okay but let's say it's a race review let's bring it back to raciness and we are some hour and
[01:03:46.040 -> 01:03:52.200] four minutes into our race review which is abhorrent this might be the first ever time
[01:03:52.200 -> 01:03:58.480] Chris that we've exceeded our harsh 60 second 60 minute limit so I am gonna have to make
[01:03:58.480 -> 01:04:04.600] some severe edits so your incredible anecdote about that time you went camel riding in Brazil
[01:04:04.600 -> 01:04:06.800] we're gonna have to cut all of that, all 10 minutes of that.
[01:04:07.100 -> 01:04:07.700] It's gone.
[01:04:08.000 -> 01:04:08.600] It's gone.
[01:04:09.000 -> 01:04:12.200] First of all, Twitter starts limiting how many tweets you can do in a day.
[01:04:12.200 -> 01:04:12.800] And now this.
[01:04:12.900 -> 01:04:13.600] Yeah, that's bad.
[01:04:13.600 -> 01:04:14.000] That's bad.
[01:04:14.000 -> 01:04:18.500] But I do want to touch on Mercedes and well, specifically Lewis Hamilton.
[01:04:18.500 -> 01:04:24.000] And as a Mercedes fan and as a Lewis Hamilton fan, I had a very, I had a bad
[01:04:24.000 -> 01:04:25.560] day from that point of view.
[01:04:25.560 -> 01:04:31.280] Because, well, the thing is, Jono, we talked a lot about Lewis Hamilton's, the way he emotes,
[01:04:31.280 -> 01:04:37.280] and my goodness, I do want to encourage everybody, always like, feel your truth,
[01:04:37.280 -> 01:04:43.360] let your heart show, never hold anything back. But then I think of the movie Frozen,
[01:04:43.360 -> 01:04:50.040] and the important lessons taught to us by that. Conceal, don't feel, don't let it show.
[01:04:50.480 -> 01:04:56.200] And Lewis Hamilton has obviously never seen Frozen because he shows you everything
[01:04:56.440 -> 01:05:01.440] that he is feeling. And today you could just see he was broken almost from start to
[01:05:01.440 -> 01:05:06.200] finish. And you know what I was very impressed by from Lewis Hamilton today?
[01:05:06.200 -> 01:05:12.360] And he's had these moments in his career sporadically, but the same way we thought Michael Schumacher,
[01:05:12.360 -> 01:05:18.720] Sebastian Vettel and even Max Verstappen now can be mean, mean people as world champions,
[01:05:18.720 -> 01:05:26.420] to put it as a child-safe word, but they can be very mean and they can be very intimidating, as Kyle of Science can explain.
[01:05:26.420 -> 01:05:31.260] But what Lewis Hamilton did today was he was a bit mean himself, and I kind of liked it,
[01:05:31.260 -> 01:05:33.980] you know? He was saying, well, if they're gonna dish out penalties,
[01:05:33.980 -> 01:05:37.060] might as well get this guy and that guy. And he kind of just didn't give a damn.
[01:05:37.060 -> 01:05:38.840] Yeah. He did not give a damn,
[01:05:38.840 -> 01:05:42.140] and that's what I loved about Lewis today, was, you know what, he was no longer nice.
[01:05:42.140 -> 01:05:45.600] And I'm not saying he has been nice, but he's always won fairly.
[01:05:45.600 -> 01:05:48.000] He holds his anger back a little bit, doesn't he?
[01:05:48.000 -> 01:05:51.560] Exactly. Exactly. And I was really impressed by that today,
[01:05:51.560 -> 01:05:53.800] because what I what I wasn't impressed by was, and I know
[01:05:53.800 -> 01:05:56.280] we're going back, it's not the Grand Prix, but back in, was it
[01:05:56.280 -> 01:05:59.880] the sprint shootout, I think, when he basically started his
[01:05:59.880 -> 01:06:02.920] lap, Verstappen had ended his, Verstappen's done nothing wrong
[01:06:02.920 -> 01:06:05.240] with Spanners, you're probably gonna get angry at me about. Verstappen started his next, Verstappen's done nothing wrong, which Spanners, you're probably going to get angry at me about.
[01:06:05.240 -> 01:06:09.200] Verstappen started his next lap, pretended to be on a hot lap and just impeded Lewis
[01:06:09.200 -> 01:06:10.920] and got away with it because...
[01:06:10.920 -> 01:06:13.960] You've literally described like an offence.
[01:06:13.960 -> 01:06:16.760] Yes, but he's done it under the rules.
[01:06:16.760 -> 01:06:17.920] Now I'm not going to go into that.
[01:06:17.920 -> 01:06:20.840] I think with common sense, anyone can realise that that's not a penalty.
[01:06:20.840 -> 01:06:24.680] That's unsportsmanlike behaviour, ask Lando Norris about that.
[01:06:24.680 -> 01:06:27.280] But that's what Verstappen does.
[01:06:27.280 -> 01:06:28.440] He is mean.
[01:06:28.440 -> 01:06:30.720] And Lewis Hamilton in that situation,
[01:06:30.720 -> 01:06:32.960] for him to get taken advantage of like that,
[01:06:32.960 -> 01:06:33.800] I would just be like,
[01:06:33.800 -> 01:06:35.320] I don't give a damn the rest of this weekend.
[01:06:35.320 -> 01:06:37.120] I'm not moving out of anyone's way.
[01:06:37.120 -> 01:06:38.400] I'm not being nice to anyone else.
[01:06:38.400 -> 01:06:39.480] And I loved it from Lewis.
[01:06:39.480 -> 01:06:42.080] So I've changed my mind on this.
[01:06:42.080 -> 01:06:44.440] During the race, I really felt like,
[01:06:44.440 -> 01:06:45.600] oh man, Lewis, you're doing it again. During the race I really felt like, oh man Lewis you're doing it
[01:06:45.600 -> 01:06:50.080] again and whenever Hamilton is being overly emotional, whenever he's like that, whenever
[01:06:50.080 -> 01:06:54.800] he's wearing his heart on his mouth, it normally means either he doesn't have the car underneath
[01:06:54.800 -> 01:07:00.160] him, he hasn't got confidence, he isn't performing, so they go hand in hand. A bad Lewis Hamilton
[01:07:00.160 -> 01:07:06.520] performance and him being very expressive like that. Normally, you know, they go hand
[01:07:06.520 -> 01:07:12.120] in hand and it's always bad news. But I have changed my mind in light of the Aston Martin
[01:07:12.120 -> 01:07:17.520] protest and the fact that probably everyone was violating the track limits. I think Lewis
[01:07:17.520 -> 01:07:23.520] Hamilton was 100% correct now to be pointing out other drivers and saying, well, I got
[01:07:23.520 -> 01:07:27.600] the penalty, but I'm literally watching people do it,
[01:07:27.600 -> 01:07:30.120] and he didn't benefit in the end from that appeal,
[01:07:30.120 -> 01:07:31.760] but I do think he was right to go,
[01:07:31.760 -> 01:07:36.440] well, if I've got that penalty, apply that to everyone.
[01:07:36.440 -> 01:07:39.280] And the stewarding was quite inconsistent.
[01:07:39.280 -> 01:07:41.280] And when that penalty first came up,
[01:07:41.280 -> 01:07:43.680] Lewis Hamilton was the first person, I think,
[01:07:43.680 -> 01:07:52.040] that got penalized over the weekend and we saw loads of penalising, penalisable offences. So I'm going to back him now Chris,
[01:07:52.040 -> 01:07:57.760] I'm going to say yes, it did come across as whiny, yes he did get told off by teacher,
[01:07:57.760 -> 01:07:59.400] but I kind of back it now.
[01:07:59.400 -> 01:08:06.720] Yeah, I suppose. I mean, sometimes you do just need to tell the team, guys, we've got a major problem
[01:08:06.720 -> 01:08:11.360] here and just kind of wake up to it a little bit, especially when they went into this weekend
[01:08:11.360 -> 01:08:17.280] expecting quite a bit more than what they got out of it, even just before all these penalties got
[01:08:17.280 -> 01:08:21.840] applied. Because I think, actually, I don't think it affected their points, because I think Lewis
[01:08:21.840 -> 01:08:25.880] just got dropped behind Russell in the end, but yeah, not the weekend they were expecting.
[01:08:25.880 -> 01:08:31.000] Yeah, no, I completely agree. I do think, though, one thing to just think about with
[01:08:31.000 -> 01:08:36.520] this whole whining on the radio thing is to what extent did the FIA kind of reward that
[01:08:36.520 -> 01:08:39.400] today by listening to the drivers?
[01:08:39.400 -> 01:08:40.400] Loads, yeah.
[01:08:40.400 -> 01:08:44.800] You know, like we've been saying the last few race reviews, oh, we're so bored of the
[01:08:44.800 -> 01:08:48.240] drivers kind of coming on and pointing out when they see something wrong,
[01:08:48.240 -> 01:08:53.520] like well that was an unsafe release and then the engineer goes, I agree, that looked very unsafe.
[01:08:54.880 -> 01:08:57.280] Yeah, it's like roleplay, it's drama class.
[01:08:57.280 -> 01:09:01.920] Exactly, it feels scripted in a way and I get, but that worked today.
[01:09:01.920 -> 01:09:05.280] The drivers got what they wanted from doing that. So it's like
[01:09:07.840 -> 01:09:11.600] shouting and screaming in front of your children and then getting annoyed when they shout and
[01:09:11.600 -> 01:09:16.800] scream as well. And it's like, well, where do you think they learned that from? You know?
[01:09:16.800 -> 01:09:21.200] I love it. I love that thing of, yeah, it's like, I think that Carlos Sainz was moving on to
[01:09:21.200 -> 01:09:25.280] braking. Yes, Sergio. I also agree that Carlos Sainz was moving on braking. Yes, Sergio, I also agree that Carlos Sainz was
[01:09:25.280 -> 01:09:29.840] moving under braking. And also, let's hope this gets transmitted on the Sky broadcast.
[01:09:29.840 -> 01:09:33.440] It's just annoying.
[01:09:33.440 -> 01:09:38.080] The best sports always have communication between your athletes or your drivers and
[01:09:38.080 -> 01:09:41.920] race control. You know, who are your referees if you're talking football here or some other
[01:09:41.920 -> 01:09:45.120] sports or that rugby game that Spanners loves. Jokes.
[01:09:45.120 -> 01:09:46.120] He hates it.
[01:09:46.120 -> 01:09:47.120] Anyway.
[01:09:47.120 -> 01:09:54.680] So, what I like about Formula One is that they appreciate driver feedback.
[01:09:54.680 -> 01:10:01.280] What I don't like is when race control let the drivers take control of the rules.
[01:10:01.280 -> 01:10:04.960] What it should be is, not race control taking over the race and taking over the rules, it
[01:10:04.960 -> 01:10:08.720] should be race control monitoring the race, and monitoring the rules. What it should be is not race control taking over the race and taking over the rules, it should be race control monitoring the race and monitoring the rules. And today,
[01:10:08.720 -> 01:10:12.000] I didn't feel they did a good job of that. And I know we touched upon this earlier in the podcast,
[01:10:12.000 -> 01:10:16.880] but that to me was, I just wanted to add to that, is like, you can't have a sport where
[01:10:17.600 -> 01:10:21.200] you're allowed to hear driver feedback and they're allowed to talk on the radio to race control,
[01:10:21.200 -> 01:10:26.400] but you can't have them dictating what gets penalised. And you have this whole ugly farce with the protests. Anyway.
[01:10:26.400 -> 01:10:34.000] So what we've noticed in the last four or five years is that it is very valuable to be able to
[01:10:34.000 -> 01:10:40.080] play the referee well. And there are certain characters within Formula One who play the
[01:10:40.080 -> 01:10:52.160] referee very well. I think Aston Martin do it fantastically. Obviously, the most famous example is Red Bull in 2021 with, this is what we're talking about, let them race!
[01:10:52.160 -> 01:10:57.620] When Verstappen did that ridiculous turn for, you know, pushing Lewis Hamilton wide in Brazil.
[01:10:57.620 -> 01:11:03.600] So playing the referee is a part of sport and it does happen. And at the moment, Aston
[01:11:03.600 -> 01:11:05.800] Martin are probably one of the best at that, but all the teams are playing at it. And it does happen. And at the moment, Aston Martin are probably one of the best
[01:11:05.800 -> 01:11:10.700] at that, but all the teams are playing at it. And in fact, the master of it has probably
[01:11:10.700 -> 01:11:17.560] been Fernando Alonso over recent years. He just comes over the radio and they know that
[01:11:17.560 -> 01:11:23.040] race control, they know that the stewards, no one is oblivious to social media now. So
[01:11:23.040 -> 01:11:29.860] if you apply pressure, that will bleed into how the referee dictates their decision.
[01:11:29.860 -> 01:11:31.380] It does affect it.
[01:11:31.380 -> 01:11:32.940] Sports teams have done this forever.
[01:11:32.940 -> 01:11:36.000] All right, let's move on a little bit.
[01:11:36.000 -> 01:11:40.080] In any other business, yeah, we've covered Yuki Tsunoda throwing things away.
[01:11:40.080 -> 01:11:41.080] Jono?
[01:11:41.080 -> 01:11:43.820] I was going to add George Russell.
[01:11:43.820 -> 01:11:48.160] We did rumour for, I would say, months now, it's been rumoured that his performance has
[01:11:48.160 -> 01:11:53.200] dropped off because Mercedes has taken the car's direction in a favour that suits Lewis
[01:11:53.200 -> 01:11:54.200] Hamilton.
[01:11:54.200 -> 01:11:57.000] George confirmed over the weekend that he doesn't believe that's true.
[01:11:57.000 -> 01:12:00.000] He just thinks he's struggling and the form's not there.
[01:12:00.000 -> 01:12:02.000] And that was interesting for George to admit.
[01:12:02.000 -> 01:12:03.000] That's interesting, yeah.
[01:12:03.000 -> 01:12:04.000] Very, very interesting.
[01:12:04.000 -> 01:12:06.480] Because I was on the theory that the car suited Lewis better.
[01:12:06.480 -> 01:12:09.480] But George even said that Lewis isn't even
[01:12:09.480 -> 01:12:10.740] comfortable with the car still.
[01:12:10.740 -> 01:12:12.900] He still wants it to go in a direction that
[01:12:12.900 -> 01:12:13.880] favors him a little bit.
[01:12:13.880 -> 01:12:16.920] So that's sort of very realistic from George,
[01:12:16.920 -> 01:12:18.280] if you believe what he said.
[01:12:18.280 -> 01:12:19.520] You always have to take what people
[01:12:19.520 -> 01:12:22.160] say with a grain of salt. But very, very interesting.
[01:12:22.160 -> 01:12:23.760] Well, no, I didn't actually catch that.
[01:12:23.760 -> 01:12:27.220] But it's quite interesting, because we've talked about how his race pace is slightly
[01:12:27.220 -> 01:12:31.060] behind Lewis Hamilton this season and it's not entirely unexpected because
[01:12:31.060 -> 01:12:36.460] Lewis Hamilton has a habit of doing that to teammates and it is Lewis Hamilton's
[01:12:36.460 -> 01:12:41.020] team at the moment so it would be a very very tough ask. It would be surprising if
[01:12:41.020 -> 01:12:44.300] any of the drivers that came up against Lewis Hamilton would have been
[01:12:44.300 -> 01:12:50.560] consistently faster than him. It would have been surprising if Rosberg had had more race pace. Even at that
[01:12:50.560 -> 01:12:54.480] point it would have been surprising. It would have been surprising if Bottas came in and just
[01:12:54.480 -> 01:12:59.600] creamed Lewis Hamilton on race pace. So for Russell to come in and just kind of be a few tenths off on
[01:12:59.600 -> 01:13:06.420] race pace, not a massive surprise. Not only that, but last year, and we talked about this thoroughly, is George Russell was
[01:13:06.420 -> 01:13:10.400] very impressive last year, but throughout the early stages of the season, I thought
[01:13:10.400 -> 01:13:14.300] Lewis Hamilton's race pace was majority of the time quicker than George.
[01:13:14.300 -> 01:13:16.140] And this season we've seen that.
[01:13:16.140 -> 01:13:19.720] The fact that we haven't had this year is Lewis Hamilton's bad luck that he suffered
[01:13:19.720 -> 01:13:20.720] from last year.
[01:13:20.720 -> 01:13:24.180] Safety cars, VSCs, mechanical issues, trying stuff with the setup...
[01:13:24.180 -> 01:13:25.200] Track limits. Track setup. Track limits. Hasn't happened.
[01:13:25.200 -> 01:13:26.400] Track limits.
[01:13:26.400 -> 01:13:27.280] Yeah, exactly.
[01:13:27.280 -> 01:13:27.560] Yeah.
[01:13:28.560 -> 01:13:31.080] So we've had that come into play as well.
[01:13:31.560 -> 01:13:33.720] I also think George has been a step slower.
[01:13:33.720 -> 01:13:35.640] So that's another factor to come in.
[01:13:35.640 -> 01:13:38.920] But one thing we did notice last year, and I've always said
[01:13:38.920 -> 01:13:42.600] this, Spanners, is George always seemed to be on or would
[01:13:42.600 -> 01:13:49.200] have the best luck when Mercedes would have a race winning car car and Lewis always seemed to do well and be the quicker driver when the car was good
[01:13:49.200 -> 01:13:52.360] enough for P2 or P3, so it would be overshadowed a little bit.
[01:13:52.360 -> 01:13:56.880] So I think despite Russell scoring more points last year and all this stuff, I still think
[01:13:56.880 -> 01:13:59.680] it's pretty much almost the same between the two of them.
[01:13:59.680 -> 01:14:02.320] Oh, we get to play my favourite game now.
[01:14:02.320 -> 01:14:03.680] I do have to find the button.
[01:14:03.680 -> 01:14:04.680] It's going to take me some while.
[01:14:04.680 -> 01:14:06.800] Oh, there it is is whose fault is it
[01:14:09.520 -> 01:14:14.640] here at missed apex podcast we don't believe in anything like racing incidents we like to
[01:14:14.640 -> 01:14:20.640] assign blame to all things so here's an easy one chris nick de vries pushing kevin magnuson wide
[01:14:20.640 -> 01:14:26.320] this is de vries fault not much to be said about. You have to explain why or it's a really short segment.
[01:14:26.320 -> 01:14:29.320] Well, you say he pushed him off. He absolutely pushed him off.
[01:14:29.320 -> 01:14:31.680] Magnussen, was it Magnussen?
[01:14:31.680 -> 01:14:32.200] Yes.
[01:14:32.200 -> 01:14:40.240] Yeah, yeah, Magnussen was fully alongside De Vries and was entitled to space on the exit of
[01:14:40.240 -> 01:14:43.640] the corner there and De Vries gave him absolutely none.
[01:14:43.640 -> 01:14:45.000] Antonia?
[01:14:45.000 -> 01:14:55.000] Yeah, slam dunk De Vries. The only whose fault was it that I really wasn't sure about was in the sprint race at Turn 3 with Verstappen and Perez.
[01:14:55.000 -> 01:14:58.000] That one I had my eyebrows raised a bit.
[01:14:58.000 -> 01:14:59.000] Alright, here we go. Now we're in.
[01:14:59.000 -> 01:15:05.040] Okay, I think Antonia raised it, so you get the first crack at whose fault all of those were.
[01:15:06.240 -> 01:15:11.440] Right, I'm not going to lie, I disagree with absolutely everyone who said it was
[01:15:12.080 -> 01:15:19.120] more Perez's fault. I actually think it was more Max to be honest. I think Perez going into that
[01:15:19.120 -> 01:15:29.600] corner, there was like a twitch going wide but then he was in front. I don't know. Maybe I need to rewatch it again, but I understand, and I do understand both sides of the frustration,
[01:15:29.600 -> 01:15:34.920] but I do lean more towards that being Max's fault, to be honest.
[01:15:34.920 -> 01:15:37.200] Who was saying it was Perez's fault?
[01:15:37.200 -> 01:15:38.200] Genuinely.
[01:15:38.200 -> 01:15:39.200] Many people.
[01:15:39.200 -> 01:15:42.800] When I was watching the Sky broadcast, everyone was saying it was Perez's fault.
[01:15:42.800 -> 01:15:44.760] I was like, no it's not.
[01:15:44.760 -> 01:15:45.720] Many Dutch people.
[01:15:45.720 -> 01:15:46.720] No, seriously!
[01:15:46.720 -> 01:15:47.720] Sorry, that is so wrong.
[01:15:47.720 -> 01:15:52.520] Are we talking about turn three right here?
[01:15:52.520 -> 01:15:53.520] Yeah!
[01:15:53.520 -> 01:15:58.080] Oh, here I was thinking I'm being devil's advocate, I'm the opposite, I guess.
[01:15:58.080 -> 01:15:59.080] No, sorry.
[01:15:59.080 -> 01:16:01.480] There's two things happening there, right?
[01:16:01.480 -> 01:16:05.120] There's turns three and turns four, right? Turn three,
[01:16:06.560 -> 01:16:12.320] bit of a racing, one of those things, because he was locking up and struggling to get the car
[01:16:12.320 -> 01:16:16.880] slowed down, I can kind of forgive him for that, right? What he then did at turn four, going down
[01:16:16.880 -> 01:16:22.880] the hill, where he was just, oh, just wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, now I'm going to turn into the
[01:16:22.880 -> 01:16:25.280] corner. That is exactly what Rosberg tried to do to Hamilton at turn three, like a wait, wait, wait. Now I'm going to turn into the corner. That is exactly what
[01:16:25.280 -> 01:16:31.480] Rosberg tried to do to Hamilton. Yes. Three, like a few years ago, I got penalized for
[01:16:31.480 -> 01:16:35.400] it. And it's for some reason, I don't know why, I don't know why Max has felt the need
[01:16:35.400 -> 01:16:41.560] to resort to some of his more aggressive, dirtier tactics, like holding up Lewis Hamilton
[01:16:41.560 -> 01:16:46.040] deliberately in qualifying, which my God, how on earth did that NEVER get investigated.
[01:16:46.040 -> 01:16:47.480] SEAN Not even investigated.
[01:16:47.480 -> 01:16:49.360] ALICE And then tactics like that against his own
[01:16:49.360 -> 01:16:57.960] teammate, when he has no need to feel like he's under that much pressure, to stay ahead
[01:16:57.960 -> 01:16:58.960] like that.
[01:16:58.960 -> 01:17:01.640] I don't understand why he's felt the need to do that.
[01:17:01.640 -> 01:17:04.840] SEAN Before adding my two cents on the sprint turns
[01:17:04.840 -> 01:17:09.120] three and turn four, let alone the exit of turn one, which we haven't discussed still,
[01:17:09.120 -> 01:17:11.520] which I still think is worth another Who's Called This?
[01:17:11.520 -> 01:17:12.520] segment too.
[01:17:12.520 -> 01:17:13.520] JUSTIN Go, go, go.
[01:17:13.520 -> 01:17:14.520] ALICE Well, what I'll add is, just going back to
[01:17:14.520 -> 01:17:18.920] QALY, and I know I said before you'd need, y'know, anyone with common sense to understand
[01:17:18.920 -> 01:17:22.000] that, that was a bit mean, I'm sorry, but listeners out there, in case you didn't know
[01:17:22.000 -> 01:17:28.240] what I was saying, was Max Verstappen has started a qualifying lap, and there's no proof that he wasn't gonna go on a second
[01:17:28.240 -> 01:17:29.240] quick run.
[01:17:29.240 -> 01:17:30.240] Sure, sure, true.
[01:17:30.240 -> 01:17:33.480] So, Verstappen's gone on and he's gone, oh, I'm doing my own lap time, and I'm in the
[01:17:33.480 -> 01:17:37.360] way of Lewis Hamilton, but he's in my way, I'm trying to set a lap time too, even Nairu,
[01:17:37.360 -> 01:17:38.360] logically.
[01:17:38.360 -> 01:17:39.360] He wasn't.
[01:17:39.360 -> 01:17:40.360] You know Max Verstappen's on a slowdown.
[01:17:40.360 -> 01:17:41.360] Exactly.
[01:17:41.360 -> 01:17:44.880] He wasn't on a lap, and he knows that, but he played the rules perfectly in his favour,
[01:17:44.880 -> 01:17:49.460] you can't prove, and F1's all about law, you can't prove that Max Verstappen wasn't on
[01:17:49.460 -> 01:17:51.500] the lap, and I felt really bad for Lewis.
[01:17:51.500 -> 01:17:57.700] Now, going back to the incident with Perez, turn three, and turn four, Verstappen did
[01:17:57.700 -> 01:18:00.820] a Rosberg 2016, whatever year it was, with Lewis Hamilton.
[01:18:00.820 -> 01:18:01.820] He sure did.
[01:18:01.820 -> 01:18:09.080] It was exactly the same, and Chris has mentioned, now, why does Verstappen need to do that? And there's a reason. I don't know, for anyone who's competed
[01:18:09.080 -> 01:18:13.320] in sport, you need to act dominant. And I don't know if it's like dog behaviour, you
[01:18:13.320 -> 01:18:14.680] know, when dogs have to show their dominance.
[01:18:14.680 -> 01:18:16.640] Or like a cat, you have to make yourself look big.
[01:18:17.040 -> 01:18:19.840] Yeah, you're going to make, exactly, you're going to do that kind of stuff, get your little
[01:18:19.840 -> 01:18:24.840] whiskers out. It's the same thing. And Verstappen is basically showing a message to
[01:18:24.840 -> 01:18:25.360] Perez, as he shows to everybody else in theappen is basically showing a message to Perez, as
[01:18:25.360 -> 01:18:29.040] he shows to everybody else in the grid, is you don't mess with me. I rule you. And he
[01:18:29.040 -> 01:18:33.360] did that. He tried to do that with Lewis Hamilton, and Lewis Hamilton just kept on, this is 2021
[01:18:33.360 -> 01:18:36.960] I'm talking about, just kept on taking the fight to him. He's the only driver to do it,
[01:18:36.960 -> 01:18:37.960] Lewis Hamilton to Verstappen.
[01:18:37.960 -> 01:18:44.320] And honestly, I was a little disappointed. 2020, 2021, that Hamilton, I don't, I sort
[01:18:44.320 -> 01:18:45.360] of disagree. I don't think he
[01:18:45.360 -> 01:18:49.560] did take the fight to Verstappen. I think he kept letting him get away with it. There
[01:18:49.560 -> 01:18:53.400] was loads of times he yielded. So anyway, that's a whole, that's a different argument,
[01:18:53.400 -> 01:18:54.400] Chris.
[01:18:54.400 -> 01:19:01.280] Yeah, yeah. I agree with you 100% on that. So Perez put Max on the grass on the run up
[01:19:01.280 -> 01:19:02.280] to...
[01:19:02.280 -> 01:19:05.000] Yeah, and he said, right, okay, and he said he didn't see him.
[01:19:05.000 -> 01:19:09.000] Which you can believe, because the spray, you can't see anything in the mirrors.
[01:19:09.000 -> 01:19:12.000] You could believe it, and I'm a Perez fan,
[01:19:12.000 -> 01:19:16.000] but I'm going to say, Rob, I'm going to say, lie.
[01:19:16.000 -> 01:19:18.000] I think that is a lie.
[01:19:18.000 -> 01:19:22.000] Well, the thing is, it's a good lie, it's a really good, believable lie.
[01:19:22.000 -> 01:19:24.000] Yeah.
[01:19:24.000 -> 01:19:28.160] But also, with the angle he was going into the
[01:19:28.160 -> 01:19:34.240] first corner, he probably should have anticipated that Max would come back at him on the exit of the
[01:19:34.240 -> 01:19:42.080] corner. But then again, you know, he doesn't have to assume that. And so that's probably why Max
[01:19:42.080 -> 01:19:46.560] ended up locking the rear brakes a little bit, or was a contributing
[01:19:46.560 -> 01:19:47.560] factor to it.
[01:19:47.560 -> 01:19:52.240] And probably in answering my own question now, actually, why did he feel the need to
[01:19:52.240 -> 01:19:53.400] get that aggressive with it?
[01:19:53.400 -> 01:19:55.400] Because probably he feels, oh, you're going to play like that?
[01:19:55.400 -> 01:19:57.280] Well, I'm going to show you how I play.
[01:19:57.280 -> 01:19:58.280] Maybe.
[01:19:58.280 -> 01:19:59.520] It could be that.
[01:19:59.520 -> 01:20:00.520] It could be that, Chris.
[01:20:00.520 -> 01:20:01.520] Okay.
[01:20:01.520 -> 01:20:06.960] But the one that got me, yes, they were both playing silly turnips, basically,
[01:20:06.960 -> 01:20:13.240] in the beginning of the lap. Turn four, I've seen people online, I've seen Red Bull sympathisers
[01:20:13.240 -> 01:20:17.520] online saying, well, it was wet, and yes, that corner is naturally, it's downhill, it's
[01:20:17.520 -> 01:20:28.920] understeery. And you look at the onboards and you go, he didn't try. So look, Verstappen has previous of doing this. It
[01:20:28.920 -> 01:20:33.560] wouldn't be the most outrageous thing in the world to say Verstappen just ran the other
[01:20:33.560 -> 01:20:40.560] car off the turn, you know, on entry. In Verstappen's defence, you don't have to take the apex.
[01:20:40.560 -> 01:20:46.480] You are not obliged to take the apex. And if he had turned the wheel and then you see the car continuing forward
[01:20:46.480 -> 01:20:47.040] Well, you go well
[01:20:47.040 -> 01:20:49.440] he either locked up which I don't think he did or
[01:20:49.720 -> 01:20:55.700] There was understeer because of the downhill or because a lack of grip from the front wheels because of rain
[01:20:55.960 -> 01:21:01.720] None of those things happened. He really took his time turning. He knew exactly what he was doing
[01:21:01.720 -> 01:21:07.040] He did the most Verstappen thing possible, yet people still want to defend it and go,
[01:21:07.040 -> 01:21:08.680] no, he didn't.
[01:21:08.680 -> 01:21:11.880] Yet, I still think that's a very valid move.
[01:21:11.880 -> 01:21:14.040] You are allowed to do that.
[01:21:14.040 -> 01:21:16.160] Listen to me, Max Verstappen fans.
[01:21:16.160 -> 01:21:18.360] Listen to what I'm saying very carefully.
[01:21:18.360 -> 01:21:21.880] You don't have to take the apex.
[01:21:21.880 -> 01:21:27.920] You are not obliged as the inside car to take the apex. So take note,
[01:21:27.920 -> 01:21:35.120] 2021, Silverstone, Lewis Hamilton was not obliged to take the apex. Here, Max Verstappen
[01:21:35.120 -> 01:21:43.040] was also not obliged to take the apex. You can run all the way to the exit straight as
[01:21:43.040 -> 01:21:46.160] long as you're leaving your opponent room on the track.
[01:21:46.160 -> 01:21:48.760] And the difference was here Spanners, is Perez backed out.
[01:21:48.760 -> 01:21:49.760] Exactly, yes.
[01:21:49.760 -> 01:21:50.760] That's true.
[01:21:50.760 -> 01:21:54.640] You set up Max Vance to contradict themselves Spanners, what have you done?
[01:21:54.640 -> 01:21:55.640] What have I done?
[01:21:55.640 -> 01:21:56.640] We've lost all the...
[01:21:56.640 -> 01:22:01.840] But this is what I'm saying, I'm saying is that I think that A, Verstappen did it on
[01:22:01.840 -> 01:22:07.920] purpose and that B, it was okay. That's fine. It's a legitimate move,
[01:22:07.920 -> 01:22:11.680] but it's weird that he did it against Perez. And you know what he does when he goes to the
[01:22:11.680 -> 01:22:17.200] stewards room? Fernando Alonso media training school. Oh, I was trying to get the outside
[01:22:17.200 -> 01:22:20.560] line because there's more grip there in the wet. I didn't see Perez there on the outside.
[01:22:20.560 -> 01:22:24.320] You just play dumb. That's what Alonso would do. And Verstappen would say the same thing,
[01:22:24.880 -> 01:22:27.520] the same way Perez did it turn one. Oh, you didn't see me there,
[01:22:27.520 -> 01:22:32.720] I didn't see you at turn four. The drivers are funny, I actually love it. I honestly think there
[01:22:32.720 -> 01:22:36.560] needs to be more bad blood cleansers of soul, and we need more of it in Formula One.
[01:22:36.560 -> 01:22:40.320] Steve Okay, well, speaking of bad, I suppose we've
[01:22:40.320 -> 01:22:45.440] got Haas, Chris. Haas seem to have a little bit of a disaster.
[01:22:45.440 -> 01:22:46.760] Hulkenberg again, you know,
[01:22:46.760 -> 01:22:49.800] just it feels like they have issues
[01:22:49.800 -> 01:22:51.780] that other teams have ironed out.
[01:22:51.780 -> 01:22:55.880] Well, I think it's part of their car design
[01:22:55.880 -> 01:22:58.160] or the car concept or a consequence
[01:22:58.160 -> 01:22:59.280] of their design or concept.
[01:22:59.280 -> 01:23:01.960] I'm sure it's not a desired trait of their car
[01:23:01.960 -> 01:23:04.660] where it seems to be quite quick
[01:23:04.660 -> 01:23:07.560] in the initial stages of the race.
[01:23:07.560 -> 01:23:10.920] And then as it goes on, it fades away.
[01:23:10.920 -> 01:23:12.320] Maybe it burns through the tires.
[01:23:12.320 -> 01:23:14.800] That certainly seemed to be what happened
[01:23:14.800 -> 01:23:16.320] with the intermediate tires.
[01:23:16.320 -> 01:23:22.160] Probably was a factor in the Grand Prix as well.
[01:23:22.160 -> 01:23:27.680] I think their qualifying pace doesn't represent their race pace either.
[01:23:27.680 -> 01:23:32.440] So probably what ends up happening is they qualify much higher than they actually deserve
[01:23:32.440 -> 01:23:37.220] to be, that's going to be, they're not amongst the cars that are going to end up fighting
[01:23:37.220 -> 01:23:41.780] in the race. And so then you get into this snowball thing where you've been passed by
[01:23:41.780 -> 01:23:49.280] a bunch of cars and you've backed them all up into a queue behind you as well and you start falling into the clutches and it wrecks your entire race
[01:23:49.840 -> 01:23:54.000] and Hulkenberg probably would have ended up falling out of the points at some point
[01:23:54.000 -> 01:24:01.440] had his car not decided to give up before he did. But the one thing we can say is that Hulkenberg
[01:24:01.440 -> 01:24:05.520] definitely didn't violate the track limits as much as anyone else. So,
[01:24:05.520 -> 01:24:11.680] well done to Nico. They still tried to get, they still, he still got his lap time deleted.
[01:24:11.680 -> 01:24:17.760] Oh no, you mean Nico Rosberg. He got, he got given a warning. Uh, yeah, yeah, Nico Rosberg
[01:24:17.760 -> 01:24:22.720] got given a warning. Uh, no, he got, Olcott got given a warning for going off the track
[01:24:22.720 -> 01:24:25.760] when he retired. Oh yes, yeah that's true.
[01:24:25.760 -> 01:24:30.600] Well, can I say this, when Yuki Tsunoda went off the track on lap one, isn't that a track
[01:24:30.600 -> 01:24:31.920] limits penalty as well?
[01:24:31.920 -> 01:24:33.920] Yeah, massive one.
[01:24:33.920 -> 01:24:37.960] And this is my big thing about the stewards, at that point, they weren't monitoring track
[01:24:37.960 -> 01:24:38.960] limits.
[01:24:38.960 -> 01:24:46.500] Their really increasingly strict monitoring of track limits was as a response to all the complaints
[01:24:46.500 -> 01:24:51.520] that were coming in. I think the last thing before we go to the podium, and just keeping
[01:24:51.520 -> 01:24:57.720] an eye on the time to check that we come in under an hour, is the Max Verstappen pit stop
[01:24:57.720 -> 01:25:07.600] at the end. So he only has only a 24 second lead, Jono, and decides to go for a fastest lap pit stop for softs.
[01:25:07.600 -> 01:25:12.160] I came up with a good theory for this and I said, okay, how can we adjust Formula 1 once again,
[01:25:12.160 -> 01:25:16.960] right? Normally, I really sit down and have a think about this, but I thought, you know what,
[01:25:16.960 -> 01:25:21.360] let me come up with a rule, throw it to the panel, and I'm going to find out if this is wrong,
[01:25:21.360 -> 01:25:26.480] and I'm going to wing it here. Why not seal the deal on the fastest lap point,
[01:25:26.680 -> 01:25:28.520] 75% of the distance through.
[01:25:28.720 -> 01:25:30.760] After that, you can't get it right.
[01:25:30.960 -> 01:25:32.080] Drivers still push.
[01:25:32.280 -> 01:25:34.640] Everyone pushes in the final 25% of the race.
[01:25:34.640 -> 01:25:36.120] They're trying to get positions anyway.
[01:25:36.320 -> 01:25:39.160] People are pushing for the first three quarters, try and get the lap.
[01:25:39.360 -> 01:25:41.200] And it doesn't force these silly pit
[01:25:41.400 -> 01:25:46.440] stops where you're 45 minutes ahead and you get to pit, and you can set the fastest lap.
[01:25:46.440 -> 01:25:49.220] I'm throwing it out there, I'm not saying I'm correct, Chris, I can already see your
[01:25:49.220 -> 01:25:53.120] disgust with that too, with my idea, but I'm just saying, that could work.
[01:25:53.120 -> 01:25:54.120] ALICE And Tony is in control.
[01:25:54.120 -> 01:25:55.440] JUSTIN Fastest lap at the three quarters of the
[01:25:55.440 -> 01:25:56.440] distance point.
[01:25:56.440 -> 01:25:59.440] ALICE Well why do we hand a point- it's like a
[01:25:59.440 -> 01:26:02.400] circus, why are we handing a point out for fastest lap in the first place?
[01:26:02.400 -> 01:26:06.960] JUSTIN Well, I agree with you, I feel like it's a little unnecessary, but the fact is we have
[01:26:06.960 -> 01:26:12.360] it and it occasionally does spruce up the last lap or two of a Grand Prix.
[01:26:12.360 -> 01:26:17.000] Yeah, I mean, it does, and I think it's an important accolade to have because it does
[01:26:17.000 -> 01:26:22.160] mean even if you're in 10th position, if you've got the fastest car on the track at some point,
[01:26:22.160 -> 01:26:26.400] you do then get the one point. However, I do think it's an
[01:26:26.400 -> 01:26:33.280] interesting idea, Giorno, because with a driver like Verstappen, he's normally a good 25 seconds
[01:26:33.280 -> 01:26:39.440] ahead by what, lap 3? So, in theory, he could be setting these lap times earlier on. I think
[01:26:40.000 -> 01:26:44.240] in a way, the joy of having it towards the end of the race is there's a little bit more at stake
[01:26:44.240 -> 01:26:48.720] with this pit stop. I think with this pit stop with Verstappen, the reason that it was so,
[01:26:49.520 -> 01:26:54.400] you know, tense and like, why is he doing that? Because he could have got that whole race,
[01:26:54.400 -> 01:27:00.880] had a horrible pit stop and completely screwed 70 laps worth of work. Whereas if you, I guess,
[01:27:00.880 -> 01:27:05.000] if you have that limit 75% in, if all of the drivers are suddenly like,
[01:27:05.000 -> 01:27:06.520] okay, right, we're three quarters through,
[01:27:06.520 -> 01:27:08.560] let's push for a fastest lap now,
[01:27:08.560 -> 01:27:11.120] they've almost got time to correct it if it goes wrong.
[01:27:11.120 -> 01:27:13.500] I think there's a nice little joy, I guess,
[01:27:13.500 -> 01:27:15.840] in having the driver in first position
[01:27:15.840 -> 01:27:18.320] risk everything for one single point.
[01:27:18.320 -> 01:27:21.040] Oh my goodness, though, I have to admit, Chris,
[01:27:21.040 -> 01:27:27.000] and I don't try to be like anti-Verstappen very often, I hide it well.
[01:27:27.000 -> 01:27:31.000] No, no, again like Ferrari, you know, Verstappen is a very worthy foe.
[01:27:31.000 -> 01:27:37.000] He is a good Darth Vader for my F1 Star Wars story.
[01:27:37.000 -> 01:27:42.000] So, yeah, when he contradicts his team and says, no, I do want to go for this point,
[01:27:42.000 -> 01:27:46.000] I do want to go for fastest lap I do want to go for fastest lap I was looking at the
[01:27:46.000 -> 01:27:52.000] screen going oh there's so much that could go wrong maybe it will it was quite exciting.
[01:27:52.000 -> 01:27:57.280] It's a testament to that team isn't it really that they're so on the ball like that but you know the
[01:27:57.280 -> 01:28:02.320] reason they do it at the end of the race is because of the fuel because that's when the car is at its
[01:28:02.320 -> 01:28:08.040] lightest. That's true. They won't be setting fastest laps halfway through the race just because they've still
[01:28:08.040 -> 01:28:10.880] got 50 kilos worth of fuel on board.
[01:28:10.880 -> 01:28:15.280] Quick pitch to anyone here who might object to this, but what if the world championship
[01:28:15.280 -> 01:28:20.720] was decided by 10 laps to go and somebody goes, I'm going to pit and set the fastest
[01:28:20.720 -> 01:28:22.080] lap, has Verstappen done it?
[01:28:22.080 -> 01:28:28.560] Oh my God, he's won the world championship because he set the fastest lap of the race. Is that enjoyable? Oh good point. Yeah we've never had that situation
[01:28:28.560 -> 01:28:32.080] that could come up. We probably never will. It's a matter of element isn't it? Literally the Formula
[01:28:32.080 -> 01:28:38.320] E championship was decided that way one year when uh Degrassi went into the back of Buemi
[01:28:38.320 -> 01:28:43.200] and they had a fastest lap shootout. Oh and interesting fact Chris, I was the closest
[01:28:43.200 -> 01:28:49.600] human being to that crash apart from Buemi and Degrassi. I don't think we were supposed to be there.
[01:28:49.600 -> 01:28:54.080] But yes, anyway, an interesting Austrian Grand Prix in many ways.
[01:28:54.080 -> 01:28:59.400] If you could ignore the fact that we had all this silliness with the track limits,
[01:28:59.400 -> 01:29:02.560] I think, you know, the track again provided a spectacle.
[01:29:02.560 -> 01:29:05.200] So why don't we go on to our awards.
[01:29:12.880 -> 01:29:19.040] Before we get going with our awards I want to encourage you to follow our young pups here at
[01:29:19.040 -> 01:29:27.500] Missed Apex Podcast. All of these three panelists here have much more of a future in broadcasting, in social media, in presenting,
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[01:29:35.000 -> 01:29:48.280] Go and follow Chris Stevens. Honestly, this is your biggest cred thing, is that people will say, I followed Chris Stevens on Missed Apex podcast before he dominated commentary.
[01:29:48.280 -> 01:29:51.280] My boy, my lad, my lad Chris,
[01:29:51.280 -> 01:29:52.920] when you commentate like you did
[01:29:52.920 -> 01:29:54.360] at the Missed Apex karting event,
[01:29:54.360 -> 01:29:57.740] you bring an entire venue to life.
[01:29:57.740 -> 01:30:01.120] You bring the joy of motorsport to people listening.
[01:30:01.120 -> 01:30:03.280] And now, like, look, listen,
[01:30:03.280 -> 01:30:05.900] I get a cut of all your future earnings
[01:30:05.900 -> 01:30:08.320] because I've let you be terrible for years
[01:30:08.320 -> 01:30:10.680] while you learn how to bring a race to life.
[01:30:10.680 -> 01:30:13.640] But right now, you turn up at a racetrack,
[01:30:13.640 -> 01:30:18.160] you commentate, you make that event 300% better.
[01:30:18.160 -> 01:30:21.000] You are an incredible commentator.
[01:30:21.000 -> 01:30:21.840] Thanks, man.
[01:30:21.840 -> 01:30:27.400] And yeah, it could be more of that on the horizon. So watch,
[01:30:27.400 -> 01:30:32.560] watch this space. See the, see the journey unfolding on my social media feeds at Chris
[01:30:32.560 -> 01:30:38.920] on racing on Twitter, Tik Tok, and Instagram. Just while I've got the mic live for a second,
[01:30:38.920 -> 01:30:46.880] I'm going to do another smooth plug for the missed apex social socials, at MystApexF1 on Twitter and TikTok.
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[01:30:59.840 -> 01:31:02.960] And on the Patreon stream as well, right?
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[01:31:04.840 -> 01:31:09.760] And be a patron, patreon.com forward slash MystA apex. But the thing I wanted to get across is,
[01:31:09.760 -> 01:31:13.920] if you are looking for a commentator for your corporate karting event or your corporate
[01:31:13.920 -> 01:31:19.760] motorsport event, drag Chris in. He is relatively cheap, that's the main thing,
[01:31:19.760 -> 01:31:29.000] but he will bring your event to life and I get a 10% cut. Chris, we do awards here and the first one is, it's a Good Thing Award.
[01:31:29.000 -> 01:31:30.000] Yes.
[01:31:35.000 -> 01:31:38.000] Christopher Abraham Stevens.
[01:31:38.000 -> 01:31:40.000] What was your thing of the weekend?
[01:31:40.000 -> 01:31:41.000] That's not my middle name.
[01:31:41.000 -> 01:31:42.000] It might be.
[01:31:42.000 -> 01:31:43.000] Just in case anyone was wondering.
[01:31:43.000 -> 01:31:46.240] Christopher Montgomery Stevens.
[01:31:47.880 -> 01:31:54.320] Closer, but no cigar. Now my thing of the weekend is gonna be probably controversial
[01:31:55.040 -> 01:31:58.880] actually, because I think Anthony Davidson specifically said,
[01:31:58.880 -> 01:32:03.640] oh, we can't give this guy driver of the day because of X, Y, and Z. But I'm gonna give it to Carlos Sainz
[01:32:04.600 -> 01:32:05.200] because I feel like he was probably driver of the day because of X, Y and Z. But I'm going to give it to Carlos Sainz because
[01:32:05.200 -> 01:32:12.280] I feel like he was probably one of the drivers that just impressed me the most. And I feel
[01:32:12.280 -> 01:32:19.160] like he was held back today and probably the one that we didn't see the potential of the
[01:32:19.160 -> 01:32:31.000] most through no fault of his own, but still put in a pretty mega performance, I'd say. Okay, that's your thing of the weekend. Let's go over to Australia and Jonathan Simangiono.
[01:32:31.000 -> 01:32:36.000] You are, you're not, you're not the out and out kind of right on the bottom rung of our youngest people.
[01:32:36.000 -> 01:32:40.000] But again, you are showing up all the old folk at Missed Apex podcast.
[01:32:40.000 -> 01:32:44.000] You are out there. You're out there in all weathers reporting.
[01:32:44.000 -> 01:32:45.600] And they're in that safe
[01:32:45.600 -> 01:32:50.480] studio and they're saying, oh, it's so lovely and warm here, but let's go over to Jono. And you're
[01:32:50.480 -> 01:32:56.160] like, I'm literally in a blizzard, but instead of snow, there's knives coming in from the east
[01:32:56.160 -> 01:33:01.760] and you're out there doing stuff. But people should follow you because you as well, by the
[01:33:01.760 -> 01:33:05.960] time you reach my age, you are going to be a superstar in
[01:33:05.960 -> 01:33:06.960] broadcasting.
[01:33:06.960 -> 01:33:10.720] Well, that's too nice. I'm humbled to hear that Spanners. Obviously you take inspiration
[01:33:10.720 -> 01:33:12.480] from you and trumpets and all.
[01:33:12.480 -> 01:33:16.360] Yeah, I'm the best one. Not trumpets.
[01:33:16.360 -> 01:33:20.000] Yeah, I would say, look, it's good fun. Like Chris, if you're looking for a commentator,
[01:33:20.000 -> 01:33:24.000] let me know. Probably Down Under because people won't fund to fly me down to the US unfortunately.
[01:33:24.000 -> 01:33:26.000] Or the internet. me know, probably Down Under because people won't fund to fly me down to the US, unfortunately.
[01:33:26.000 -> 01:33:27.000] Or the internet.
[01:33:27.000 -> 01:33:28.000] Or the internet, exactly.
[01:33:28.000 -> 01:33:29.200] So, I'm always keen to do that.
[01:33:29.200 -> 01:33:30.840] I love it.
[01:33:30.840 -> 01:33:34.960] At JohnnyS8, J-O-N-N-Y-E-S-S-8.
[01:33:34.960 -> 01:33:36.520] I'll tell you this, Spanners.
[01:33:36.520 -> 01:33:41.080] It's been, to the day, I counted this, it's been a year and three quarters since I first
[01:33:41.080 -> 01:33:43.840] started trying to change my social handle.
[01:33:43.840 -> 01:33:48.800] And me and a few friends, I actually made some phone calls today and we couldn't come up with anything. Everything was
[01:33:48.800 -> 01:33:53.760] taken because we need something consistent across all the socials. Somebody already stole my name
[01:33:53.760 -> 01:33:57.840] and I can't buy the Twitter account because it was made in like 2008 and I don't think they would
[01:33:57.840 -> 01:33:58.480] respond. I'm not famous enough to, you know, I'm annoyed.
[01:33:58.480 -> 01:34:01.920] Jono, don't worry. We're just going to put a link in the show notes. We're going to put a link in
[01:34:01.920 -> 01:34:07.760] the show notes so people can just click it. It's going to be okay. Don't worry about your awful Twitter handle, but do tell
[01:34:07.760 -> 01:34:10.960] us what was your thing of the weekend?
[01:34:10.960 -> 01:34:15.040] So my thing of the weekend was initially going to be the rain for the sprint race, which
[01:34:15.040 -> 01:34:20.560] I really enjoyed, and it made the sprint race thoroughly enjoyable. Then it went into a
[01:34:20.560 -> 01:34:25.440] sub good thing of the weekend, which is bizarre idea.
[01:34:29.440 -> 01:34:29.880] But what happens if it just starts raining one day and we go, you know what?
[01:34:31.840 -> 01:34:33.880] Let's have Q1, Q2, Q3. And hey, everybody, by the way, you got 10 minutes.
[01:34:33.880 -> 01:34:36.440] Get on the grid by having a quick on the sporadic sprint race.
[01:34:36.440 -> 01:34:37.400] Everyone get ready. Hurry up.
[01:34:37.400 -> 01:34:39.080] Go. Broadcast is live.
[01:34:39.080 -> 01:34:41.200] It's on Twitter. You get notifications on your phone.
[01:34:41.200 -> 01:34:42.480] You have to give up what you're doing.
[01:34:42.480 -> 01:34:43.960] You're at work. You get sent home.
[01:34:44.040 -> 01:34:46.720] You have to watch the sprint race in the wet.
[01:34:46.960 -> 01:34:48.680] Bizarre idea, probably never work.
[01:34:48.680 -> 01:34:50.640] But that was my good thing of the weekend.
[01:34:50.640 -> 01:34:51.600] Rain for the sprint.
[01:34:51.600 -> 01:34:56.640] That's up there with our patron Mike Stoner, who says that you should not tell the teams
[01:34:56.640 -> 01:34:58.040] how long the race is going to be.
[01:34:58.520 -> 01:35:03.520] So they just they get up on the grid and then the FIA just go, OK, it's going to be 30
[01:35:03.520 -> 01:35:06.880] laps. It's going to be 200 laps. Go.
[01:35:06.880 -> 01:35:12.000] Okay, good thing of the weekend there. And let's go over to, I think, someone who is,
[01:35:12.720 -> 01:35:17.280] I can't really say going to be a star, Antonia Rankine, because you are just, you're doing
[01:35:17.280 -> 01:35:22.560] everything. And soon people are going to realise that you are doing everything. Antonia Rankine,
[01:35:22.560 -> 01:35:26.020] you are inevitable.
[01:35:27.040 -> 01:35:27.880] Am I like Thanos? I just need to kick my fingers.
[01:35:27.880 -> 01:35:30.280] That's the reference that I was going for.
[01:35:30.280 -> 01:35:31.520] No, it's really good.
[01:35:31.520 -> 01:35:32.860] People are starting to pick up on the fact
[01:35:32.860 -> 01:35:35.000] that they hire Antonia Rankine
[01:35:35.000 -> 01:35:38.000] and you make their event better, you're personable,
[01:35:38.000 -> 01:35:41.440] and you create like a space for people to feel included.
[01:35:41.440 -> 01:35:43.360] And I'm incredibly jealous of the work
[01:35:43.360 -> 01:35:44.200] that you have been doing
[01:35:44.200 -> 01:35:51.600] and the work that you have lined up. So go and follow Antonia on TikTok at F1Antonia on TikTok, yes, and then
[01:35:51.600 -> 01:35:59.200] search for Antonia J Rankin on Twitter. There we go. Excellent. Antonia, who or what is your thing
[01:35:59.200 -> 01:36:05.040] of the weekend? Oh, it's a difficult one. Like I said, it's not a representative track, so I'm hesitant
[01:36:05.040 -> 01:36:11.360] to give it to McLaren, but I'm going to anyway. I think Lando's drive, yeah, fantastic.
[01:36:11.360 -> 01:36:16.220] It could be either. Well, we don't know, do we? Is it down to the upgrade or was Lando
[01:36:16.220 -> 01:36:22.240] doing well? In any case, long-suffering Lando fans and long-suffering McLaren fans can just
[01:36:22.240 -> 01:36:25.200] go, yay, just for a little while, for a week.
[01:36:25.200 -> 01:36:28.200] Yeah, I think the difference between him and Piastri tips me off.
[01:36:28.200 -> 01:36:30.200] I think 14 place difference between him and McLaren.
[01:36:30.200 -> 01:36:32.200] So Piastri didn't have the upgrade though?
[01:36:32.200 -> 01:36:35.600] No, exactly, which indicates that it is the upgrade,
[01:36:35.600 -> 01:36:38.200] therefore, thing of the weekend to McLaren.
[01:36:38.200 -> 01:36:39.200] There you go.
[01:36:39.200 -> 01:36:41.200] Yeah, very happy for them.
[01:36:41.200 -> 01:36:43.200] That's a good thing of the weekend.
[01:36:43.200 -> 01:36:46.600] Okay, let's zoom in on the best panelist, Spanners. All I want to say Okay, that's a good thing of the weekend. Okay, let's zoom in on the best panellists,
[01:36:46.600 -> 01:36:51.000] spanners. All I want to say is there's a video incoming, I hope you'll check it out. But
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[01:37:31.120 -> 01:37:38.400] forward slash missed apex. And my thing of the weekend is going to go to... well it's got to go
[01:37:38.400 -> 01:37:44.320] to Max Verstappen for taking that risk with that final pit stop. I don't think you can do that
[01:37:44.320 -> 01:37:49.020] unless you have absolute faith in yourself and you have absolute faith in your team. The
[01:37:49.020 -> 01:37:54.000] team was specifically telling him not to do it because it's too much of a risk
[01:37:54.000 -> 01:38:00.280] and he said, nah my team's got this. Now we're gonna do a more negative award
[01:38:00.280 -> 01:38:05.680] it's this one it's the missed apex award.. Oh no you missed the apex. All right here's
[01:38:05.680 -> 01:38:10.800] where we get to be real armchair fans who wants to go first who's got a missed apex
[01:38:10.800 -> 01:38:16.960] Chris Stevens you got in there first who missed the apex for you? I'm gonna say the people
[01:38:16.960 -> 01:38:23.560] who missed the apex are the people who are amazed stunned bewildered by the fact that
[01:38:23.560 -> 01:38:26.240] we've only got a final result five hours after
[01:38:26.240 -> 01:38:27.240] the chequered flag.
[01:38:27.240 -> 01:38:29.200] I laugh at you in formula-
[01:38:29.200 -> 01:38:32.200] Yeah, formula, he loved that.
[01:38:32.200 -> 01:38:33.200] Exactly.
[01:38:33.200 -> 01:38:36.640] I laugh at you in F1 Brazil 2003.
[01:38:36.640 -> 01:38:41.560] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:38:41.560 -> 01:38:45.320] And where the true winner was Gian young Carlo Fisichella. There you go.
[01:38:45.320 -> 01:38:50.360] Oh, Kimi Räikkönen won originally, and then on count back, it was Fisichella.
[01:38:50.360 -> 01:38:51.360] And then Räikkönen-
[01:38:51.360 -> 01:38:53.240] Spanners, we're too young to remember.
[01:38:53.240 -> 01:38:54.240] Don't remind us.
[01:38:54.240 -> 01:38:55.240] I'm telling you.
[01:38:55.240 -> 01:38:57.440] Everyone come and sit around the tree with young Uncle Spanners.
[01:38:57.440 -> 01:39:00.920] Yeah, and then Räikkönen went and awarded the trophy to Fisichella.
[01:39:00.920 -> 01:39:01.920] There you go.
[01:39:01.920 -> 01:39:02.920] Okay, great.
[01:39:02.920 -> 01:39:05.000] Well, Jono, who missed the apex for you?
[01:39:05.000 -> 01:39:08.280] ALICE It kind of could be spun into a good thing,
[01:39:08.280 -> 01:39:11.880] but that jetpack guy before the race, I don't know if anyone was watching that, I don't
[01:39:11.880 -> 01:39:17.040] know what happened to that guy or if he's okay, but the jetpack just failed and died,
[01:39:17.040 -> 01:39:20.800] and it just... he just fell onto the track, and I actually felt pretty bad for him.
[01:39:20.800 -> 01:39:21.800] JUSTIN I didn't see that.
[01:39:21.800 -> 01:39:22.800] Did they just go, oh well, nevermind?
[01:39:22.800 -> 01:39:24.920] ALICE Yeah, and then they just switched the shot
[01:39:24.920 -> 01:39:26.680] to Oscar Piastri, who's like, alright, I guess I'm on the screen right now, and I don't see that. Did they just go, oh well, never mind? Yeah, and then they just switched the shot to Oscar Piastri, he's like, alright, I guess
[01:39:26.680 -> 01:39:30.520] I'm on the screen right now and I don't know what I'm doing, and then I'm like wondering,
[01:39:30.520 -> 01:39:31.520] is this a prank?
[01:39:31.520 -> 01:39:33.740] Like, I was so confused watching that.
[01:39:33.740 -> 01:39:37.240] And then all of a sudden, it goes back to the jetpack dude who's celebrating, and he's
[01:39:37.240 -> 01:39:40.800] having the time of his life, so I kind of think that's a bad thing of the weekend up
[01:39:40.800 -> 01:39:49.040] until the celebration, because good on him for being okay, but I think that's a bad thing of the weekend in a good way like it was funny and I kind of enjoyed it and I hope the
[01:39:49.040 -> 01:39:57.200] guys are okay. Antonio Rankin who missed the apex for you? I say this with so much love and as such
[01:39:57.200 -> 01:40:04.400] a true racing fan and I've grown up loving loving Ferrari but in the most respectful way possible.
[01:40:05.000 -> 01:40:07.080] loving, loving Ferrari, but in the most respectful way possible. Ferrari, just in general.
[01:40:07.080 -> 01:40:08.080] Horrible, horrible.
[01:40:08.080 -> 01:40:11.080] Let us list the reasons why.
[01:40:11.080 -> 01:40:15.440] Just the fact that the drivers sound so exasperated.
[01:40:15.440 -> 01:40:27.920] These talented drivers with so much potential are fed up and that is just so beyond unacceptable. And I don't know how something has not been
[01:40:27.920 -> 01:40:34.240] done about the driver to pit wall communication, but for it all to be unraveling this publicly,
[01:40:34.240 -> 01:40:37.000] unacceptable, horrendous, disheartening.
[01:40:37.000 -> 01:40:47.500] Unbelievable. So you guys have left me, you've left me, we've got to this point, and I get to say that the stewards get the Missed Apex Award
[01:40:47.500 -> 01:40:52.300] for having 1,200 unresolved instances
[01:40:52.300 -> 01:40:55.460] of track limit violations to view after the fact.
[01:40:55.460 -> 01:40:59.620] So absolutely, the reputation of F1 took a big hit today.
[01:40:59.620 -> 01:41:02.160] It looked really, really silly.
[01:41:02.160 -> 01:41:06.600] And it's because I believe that the stewards pretended they
[01:41:06.600 -> 01:41:11.600] had a hard line on the track limits and they did once it was pointed out to them
[01:41:11.600 -> 01:41:16.060] and they thought that they would carry on the spirit of the qualifying into the
[01:41:16.060 -> 01:41:22.560] race but without actually monitoring the track limits and that is... I'm gonna give
[01:41:22.560 -> 01:41:25.560] them the Missed Apex award but they do need resources
[01:41:25.560 -> 01:41:32.880] so you need to be able to hire a Derek and a Josephine to go right we've got two key
[01:41:32.880 -> 01:41:37.660] corners here we've got a camera pointed at it this is your job and Jono what was the
[01:41:37.660 -> 01:41:39.800] rate you said you take 200 quid?
[01:41:39.800 -> 01:41:42.920] I'm came for some cash 200 bucks for me for race I'll do it.
[01:41:42.920 -> 01:41:45.240] I'll do it for 180 and free entry so that it. I'll do it for 180 and free entry.
[01:41:45.400 -> 01:41:46.640] So that's why I'll do it for 180.
[01:41:46.640 -> 01:41:51.080] And you're just watching one camera and just going, yeah, car five gone, car six gone.
[01:41:51.240 -> 01:41:52.520] I'll do it. There we go.
[01:41:52.520 -> 01:41:55.960] So, yeah, I'm afraid that did not make F1 look good.
[01:41:56.360 -> 01:42:00.040] I'm going to add one more to it
[01:42:00.040 -> 01:42:02.720] because Matt isn't here to defend him, Esteban Ocon.
[01:42:03.200 -> 01:42:06.320] With the 30 seconds of penalties.
[01:42:06.320 -> 01:42:07.600] LIAM Thirty seconds of penalties.
[01:42:07.600 -> 01:42:08.600] ALICE Which as-
[01:42:08.600 -> 01:42:10.640] LIAM And just being generally not as good as Ghazalie
[01:42:10.640 -> 01:42:11.640] this weekend.
[01:42:11.640 -> 01:42:14.960] ALICE Which as defined by, uh, I know Chris Medlin
[01:42:14.960 -> 01:42:20.880] put this out on Twitter, I thought it was initially four track cuts, five second penalty,
[01:42:20.880 -> 01:42:24.820] five means ten second penalty, six means five second penalty, no!
[01:42:24.820 -> 01:42:26.080] It resets completely,
[01:42:26.080 -> 01:42:28.640] so I think he's cut the track another 4 times after that.
[01:42:28.640 -> 01:42:29.640] ALICE Oh, wow.
[01:42:29.640 -> 01:42:30.640] JUSTIN And then a fifth.
[01:42:30.640 -> 01:42:33.440] So, I don't know if that's- I have to clarify how they do the penalties, because that's
[01:42:33.440 -> 01:42:34.440] a little bit weird.
[01:42:34.440 -> 01:42:37.320] Because then once you get your 10 second penalty, what, you can just run off again for free?
[01:42:37.320 -> 01:42:40.280] So, I don't know if I've read that correctly, but yeah.
[01:42:40.280 -> 01:42:45.040] Sorry to hijack, Chris, but I agree. Yeah, Ocon did literally miss the apex.
[01:42:45.040 -> 01:42:51.180] If it does fully reset and you get another three freebies, that's very Formula One. Yeah, that'll be weird.
[01:42:52.360 -> 01:42:59.640] Fantastic. Thank you for joining us for our Austrian Grand Prix race review. Follow my panel, this young man here, Chris Stevens, this
[01:42:59.800 -> 01:43:07.240] slightly older young man, Jonathan Simon, and this pointlessly young person here, Antonio Rankin.
[01:43:07.240 -> 01:43:10.180] And of course, follow me, Spanners, I'm the best one.
[01:43:10.180 -> 01:43:12.600] Follow Mist Apex at MistApexF1.
[01:43:12.600 -> 01:43:16.720] And until we see you next, work hard, be kind, and have fun.
[01:43:16.720 -> 01:43:53.480] This was Mist Apex Podcast. Comment of the week! I forgot that bumper was broken. But Antonia, I believe you are
[01:43:53.480 -> 01:43:59.600] taking over the role of our kindly American by saying which one of our patron comments
[01:43:59.600 -> 01:44:00.600] was the bestest.
[01:44:00.600 -> 01:44:05.040] Yeah, now I know I look a lot like Trumpets. So just you can just imagine it's him. It's very easy. Yeah, now I know I look a lot like Trumpets so just you can just imagine it's
[01:44:05.040 -> 01:44:09.680] him, it's very easy. I have to say, honourable mention to everyone in the Patron Slack group
[01:44:09.680 -> 01:44:13.640] because I was wetting myself whilst trying to appear professional. Okay, consult your
[01:44:13.640 -> 01:44:20.280] doctor if that persists. So yes, credit to everyone who had me giggling. So our first
[01:44:20.280 -> 01:44:26.720] contender is Rob Asher who said, if Ocon isn't careful he could end up with an
[01:44:26.720 -> 01:44:27.720] Esteban.
[01:44:27.720 -> 01:44:32.280] Oh no, that, right, I'm not a pun fan but that had me.
[01:44:32.280 -> 01:44:34.560] I thought that was hilarious.
[01:44:34.560 -> 01:44:36.280] Yeah, not bad.
[01:44:36.280 -> 01:44:40.460] Honourable mention to Wes who said, Antonia must be right about this, she's right about
[01:44:40.460 -> 01:44:41.680] everything else today.
[01:44:41.680 -> 01:44:45.600] Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You cannot influence Comment of
[01:44:45.600 -> 01:44:48.840] the Week like that. We went through all of this with Matt. You can't pretend... I said
[01:44:48.840 -> 01:44:52.880] honourable mention, honourable mention. We went through... It was honourable. Matt used
[01:44:52.880 -> 01:44:57.560] to actively, he'd push for this. He'd push for compliments and reward them with winning
[01:44:57.560 -> 01:45:02.000] spots on Comment of the Week. And I will not stand for it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm new
[01:45:02.000 -> 01:45:05.160] to this. I apologise. I hope that my credibility as
[01:45:05.160 -> 01:45:08.720] a journalist has been honest. You knew what you were doing.
[01:45:08.720 -> 01:45:14.200] And then finally Mike Stoner who said fastest lap should be renamed fastest max for obvious
[01:45:14.200 -> 01:45:18.080] reasons. Oh he's trouble that Mike, he can't win.
[01:45:18.080 -> 01:45:29.040] Well good thing that because our winner is... Rob Asher, if Ocon isn't careful he could end up with an Esther ban.
[01:45:30.320 -> 01:45:38.320] That's pretty good. Comment of the week. I really do need to replace that with my wife's vocal.
[01:45:38.320 -> 01:45:45.520] Although to be honest, I think it's 50-50 which one's better. I'm getting better as we do it. Thank you very
[01:45:45.520 -> 01:45:51.280] much Livestream for joining us. We are going to disappear right now behind a flying helmet.
[01:45:51.280 -> 01:45:52.560] Thank you for joining us. Good evening.
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