All The Pretty Colours

Spanners and Trumpets are joined by  Dutch journalist Jules Seegers and Presenter/Commentator and 7News Sports Reporter  Jonathan ‘Jono’ Simon as they sort the grid according to launch vibes. From Ferrari’s form to fantastic fuels, from Alpine’s Academy assignments to Mercedes mixed messages, no sidepod shape goes undeveloped in this, the latest episode of Missed Apex Podcast. 

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# **Missed Apex Podcast Episode Summary**

## **Segment 1: Launch Season Discussion**

- Hosts Richard "Spanners" Ready, Matt "Trumpets" Trump, Jules Seegers, and Jonathan "Jono" Simon discuss the recently concluded Formula One car launches.
- They criticize the drawn-out nature of launch season and the lack of genuine excitement surrounding many of the reveals.
- The panel proposes an alternative concept for a collective car launch event, with all teams participating in a single, grand spectacle.
- This idea involves each team getting a 10-minute slot to showcase their car, potentially including a demonstration lap, with the event culminating in a fireworks display.
- The panel acknowledges the commercial constraints that prevent teams from fully embracing this concept, but they emphasize the potential for increased fan engagement and excitement.

## **Segment 2: Team Performances in Car Launches**

- The panel discusses which teams did well and which ones missed the mark in their car launches.
- Ferrari is praised for their bold decision to take their car straight to the track for a shakedown lap, demonstrating confidence in their product.
- Red Bull's launch is criticized for its focus on marketing rather than showcasing the car itself.
- The panel agrees that Ferrari's launch has generated the most buzz and anticipation among fans.

## **Segment 3: Ferrari's Prospects for the 2023 Season**

- The panel analyzes Ferrari's chances of success in the upcoming season, considering their recent progress and changes.
- Jules Seegers expresses skepticism about Ferrari's reliability, suggesting that their focus on performance may compromise durability.
- Matt Trumpets counters that Ferrari's alleged engine development strategy could give them a significant advantage over the next three years.
- Jonathan Simon shares his belief that Ferrari has a genuine shot at winning the World Championship this year, citing their strong driver lineup and improved car.
- The panel acknowledges the pressure on Ferrari to deliver results, especially with a new team principal, Frederic Vasseur, at the helm.

## **Segment 4: Mercedes' Engine Freeze Dilemma**

- The panel discusses Mercedes' situation with their power unit, considering the engine freeze regulations.
- It is suggested that Mercedes may struggle to develop the performance of their engine due to the restrictions imposed by the freeze.
- The panel highlights the potential consequences for Mercedes if they cannot find aerodynamic improvements to compensate for any lack of engine power.
- The panel also mentions rumors that Ferrari has prioritized reliability over performance in their engine development, which could give them an advantage in the long run.

## **Segment 5: Ferrari's Changing Fan Base**

- Matt Trumpets expresses his newfound appreciation for Ferrari's fan base, acknowledging their knowledge, chill demeanor, and welcoming attitude towards other fan groups.
- Jonathan Simon agrees, stating that he has also come to respect Ferrari's fans and drivers.
- Jules Seegers attributes this shift in perception to Ferrari's recent struggles and their more relatable and likable personalities.
- The panel speculates that Ferrari's strong start to the 2023 season could further enhance their fan base and attract new supporters.

## **Conclusion**

- The panel emphasizes the importance of a competitive title fight in Formula One and expresses hope that Ferrari and Red Bull will engage in a close battle for the championship.
- They acknowledge the pressure on Ferrari to deliver results, especially with a new team principal, Frederic Vasseur, at the helm.
- The panel also highlights the potential consequences for Mercedes if they cannot find aerodynamic improvements to compensate for any lack of engine power. * **Introduction:**

* The podcast episode discusses the Formula One car launches and analyzes the various teams' strategies and expectations for the upcoming season.
* The hosts, Spanners, Matt Trumpets, Jules Seegers, and Jonathan 'Jono' Simon, provide their insights and opinions on the teams' performances, car designs, and driver dynamics.

* **Mercedes:**

* Mercedes unveiled a car with a dark livery and a modified side pod design, sparking debates among experts and fans.
* The team's launch event showcased the car's appearance, but the true performance capabilities were yet to be revealed during testing.
* The hosts discuss the significance of waiting for track footage to analyze the car's behavior accurately.

* **Alpine:**

* Alpine introduced a redesigned car with a pushrod suspension and significant weight reduction, generating excitement among the hosts.
* The team's technical director expressed confidence in the car's performance, emphasizing that they focused on making it more drivable for the drivers.
* The hosts praise Alpine's initiative to support young female drivers and carters, highlighting the importance of fostering diversity and inclusivity in motorsports.

* **Other Teams:**

* Aston Martin and Alfa Romeo are mentioned briefly, with discussions about their car designs and potential performance.
* The hosts acknowledge the intrigue surrounding these teams and the anticipation for their performances during testing.

* **McLaren:**

* McLaren's driver lineup, consisting of Lando Norris and Oscar Piastri, is analyzed, with a focus on the pressure and opportunities for both drivers.
* The hosts express concern about McLaren's potential struggles if the car's issues from the previous season persist.
* The importance of Piastri's performance in relation to Norris' reputation and legacy is discussed.

* **Conclusion:**

* The hosts summarize their thoughts on the car launches, emphasizing the need for caution in making judgments until testing and the first few races provide more data.
* They highlight the significance of the upcoming season for several teams and drivers, with the potential for major shifts in the competitive landscape. ## Formula One: Launch Vibes and Sustainable Fuels

### Introduction

The podcast episode features a lively discussion among experts in Formula One racing, including Jules Seegers, Jonathan 'Jono' Simon, Matt Trumpets, and Spanners. They delve into various topics related to the upcoming season, focusing on launch vibes, sustainable fuels, and driver dynamics.

### Launch Vibes and Team Dynamics

- The experts analyze the recent car launches by different teams, highlighting their design philosophies and potential competitiveness.
- They discuss the challenges faced by McLaren, particularly with their new driver line-up of Oscar Piastri and Lando Norris.
- There is concern that Piastri, despite his impressive junior record, may struggle in his rookie season due to the car's handling and McLaren's recent performance issues.
- The experts also touch upon the impact of Andrea Seidel's departure from McLaren and question whether the team can overcome its fundamental problems.

### Sustainable Fuels and F1's Role

- The conversation shifts to the FIA's sustainable fuel challenge and Formula One's commitment to reducing its carbon footprint.
- Jonathan Simon explains the complexities of the sustainable fuel initiative and the challenges in making it viable for both racing and society.
- He emphasizes the importance of developing sustainable alternatives that don't compete with food production or rely on unsustainable resources.
- The experts discuss the role of Formula One as a testing ground for sustainable technologies, potentially leading to broader societal benefits.

### Driver Dynamics and Verstappen's Legacy

- The experts delve into the dynamics between Red Bull teammates Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez.
- They speculate on what would happen if Perez's car was tailored more to his preferences and how it might affect the team's overall performance.
- The discussion also touches upon Verstappen's driving style and his potential to build a legacy as one of the greatest Formula One drivers.
- The experts highlight Verstappen's maturity and composure in recent seasons and suggest that he could further elevate his reputation with a more measured approach on and off the track.

### Conclusion

The podcast episode concludes with a brief mention of Formula E's exclusivity license for electric racing and the question of Formula One's future direction beyond 2030. The experts acknowledge the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead for the sport as it navigates the transition towards more sustainable technologies. # Missed Apex Podcast: Launch Vibes and Expanding the Grid

## Introduction

- The podcast begins with a discussion about the launch vibes of various Formula One teams.
- Jules Seegers, a Dutch journalist, and Jonathan 'Jono' Simon, a presenter and commentator, join Spanners and Matt Trumpets to analyze the teams' performances and strategies.

## Sustainable Fuels and the Future of Motor Racing

- The conversation shifts to the topic of sustainable fuels and their potential impact on Formula One and the broader motoring world.
- The panelists discuss the challenges and opportunities of developing and implementing sustainable fuels in motorsports.
- They also explore the need for Formula One to remain relatable to the general public while embracing innovation.

## Expanding the Grid: Pros and Cons

- The podcast then delves into the topic of expanding the Formula One grid to accommodate more teams and drivers.
- The panelists weigh the pros and cons of increasing the number of teams, considering factors such as competition, financial implications, and the overall health of the sport.
- They discuss the potential benefits of having more teams, including increased diversity and excitement, but also acknowledge the challenges that come with managing a larger grid.

## Andretti's Potential Entry and the Future of Formula One

- The discussion turns to the possibility of Andretti Autosport joining Formula One as a new team.
- The panelists analyze Andretti's chances of success and the potential impact their entry could have on the sport.
- They also consider the broader implications of expanding the grid and the need for Formula One to adapt to the changing landscape of motorsports.

## Conclusion

- The podcast wraps up with the panelists sharing their thoughts on the future of Formula One and the direction they would like to see the sport take.
- They emphasize the importance of innovation, sustainability, and inclusivity while preserving the core values and traditions of Formula One.
- The episode ends with a call for more exciting and unpredictable races in the upcoming season.

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[01:47.000 -> 01:50.400] You are listening to Missed Apex Podcast.
[01:50.400 -> 01:54.240] We live F1.
[01:54.240 -> 02:06.560] Welcome to Missed Apex Podcast.
[02:06.560 -> 02:07.560] Isn't this exciting?
[02:07.560 -> 02:13.520] All the cars are colored in and all the sponsors have bellies that are full of champagne and
[02:13.520 -> 02:18.460] hors d'oeuvres because launch season has finished and we're going to analyze the launches and
[02:18.460 -> 02:21.040] talk about why you shouldn't analyze the launches.
[02:21.040 -> 02:25.080] There's been lots of excitement and also lots of complaints. People
[02:25.080 -> 02:30.680] think there's too much carbon and not enough paint, too much cake and not enough frosting.
[02:30.680 -> 02:35.880] Well, I'm a cake guy and I think that grid is going to look real fancy, just as it is.
[02:35.880 -> 02:41.040] Hi, I'm your host Richard Ready, but my friends call me Spanners. So let's be friends.
[02:41.040 -> 02:47.920] We are an independent podcast produced in the podcasting shed with the kind permission of our better halves. We aim to bring you a race review before your
[02:47.920 -> 02:51.920] Monday morning commute. We might be wrong, but we're first.
[02:56.800 -> 03:02.160] I'm joined in the Podcasting Shed by Matt to… Rumpets. How's it going there, Matt?
[03:02.960 -> 03:06.120] 23 minus 19 days to testing.
[03:06.120 -> 03:10.560] Oh, are we not doing it in sleeps or is that too dad of me?
[03:10.560 -> 03:12.620] That would be four sleeps to you.
[03:12.620 -> 03:13.620] Four sleeps till testing.
[03:13.620 -> 03:14.620] Is it that close?
[03:14.620 -> 03:15.620] No, it isn't.
[03:15.620 -> 03:20.520] February 23rd to the 25th and I do believe today is the 19th unless you're from the
[03:20.520 -> 03:22.840] future, which I think one of our panelists is.
[03:22.840 -> 03:28.560] Okay, 85 live streams between now and the end of testing, just constantly you and me
[03:28.560 -> 03:34.400] talking about what we reckon about fuel loads, about tyres, who's pushing, who's hiding things.
[03:34.400 -> 03:38.560] Oh, I saw a slight lift in sector three, that means they're disguising the pace.
[03:38.560 -> 03:41.280] It's Braun 2009 all over again.
[03:41.280 -> 03:44.800] They're closing the DRS half a second early to disguise their pace.
[03:44.800 -> 03:45.120] It's sandbags all the way down. 9 all over again. They're closing the DRS half a second early to disguise their pace.
[03:45.120 -> 03:46.920] It's sandbags all the way down.
[03:46.920 -> 03:51.960] And someone who has been disguising their talent until their TV debut, it's Jonno, Jonathan
[03:51.960 -> 03:52.960] Simon. How's it going?
[03:52.960 -> 03:58.040] Yeah, good, good, Spanners. Yes, it's three sleeps for me. I am from the future, as Trump
[03:58.040 -> 03:59.440] has just alluded to.
[03:59.440 -> 04:03.160] Yeah, that's, you get everything first. I'm always jealous on New Year's Eve that you
[04:03.160 -> 04:08.400] guys have like got it done and dusted. It's over with. You're in bed. Yeah, well, it's never good to finish first,
[04:08.400 -> 04:11.440] Spanners. But yes, in this case on New Year's Eve, it might be.
[04:11.440 -> 04:16.480] And we're joined from the Netherlands by Jules Segers. How's it going, Jules?
[04:16.480 -> 04:23.440] Good evening, guys. Going really well. And even though a lot of the livery reveals
[04:23.440 -> 04:27.000] were a bit dull, pretty excited for that pre-season testing.
[04:27.000 -> 04:31.000] I thought you were going to give us your one-liner snappy intro in Dutch.
[04:31.000 -> 04:33.000] I didn't dare to.
[04:33.000 -> 04:42.000] I always feel very guilty when our European and outlander friends come and jump on and they have to translate all their thoughts into English.
[04:42.000 -> 04:48.880] But I've just found out from you pre-show that we don't think there's a Dutch word for apex and my mind is blown.
[04:49.600 -> 04:56.000] Correct. I don't believe there is. Maybe people in the chat can prove me wrong.
[04:56.000 -> 05:02.000] I don't think there is. I think the Dutch word for apex is gemiste binnenbocht,
[05:02.000 -> 05:07.440] which translates literally as the mist's inner part of the
[05:07.440 -> 05:08.440] turn.
[05:08.440 -> 05:12.640] So like Dutch racing school, they're sitting there going, okay, kid, so you go on the outside
[05:12.640 -> 05:16.440] and then you've got to aim for the innermost part of the turn.
[05:16.440 -> 05:17.560] You need to fix that.
[05:17.560 -> 05:21.160] We need to, by the end of the show, come up for a Dutch sounding word for apex.
[05:21.160 -> 05:26.640] And now you understand why Max Verstappen didn't wait around to go to Dutch
[05:26.640 -> 05:32.000] racing school and he moved away to Belgium and cut corners and get it done with.
[05:32.640 -> 05:37.440] Au contraire. I'm thinking this is why he's so good in those cars. He had to learn to turn the
[05:37.440 -> 05:43.920] chassis super fast because it took his instructor so long to say the word for apex. Or maybe he,
[05:44.640 -> 05:46.000] because we don't have a word,
[05:46.000 -> 05:52.360] he never learned there was an inner part of the turn and that's why he always drives the car next
[05:52.360 -> 05:58.480] to him. That explains Brazil with Hamilton! Exactly, or that explains how good he is in
[05:58.480 -> 06:04.560] the wet because he's able to find the grip on that outside line. Guys, the news this week really is
[06:04.560 -> 06:05.880] all about the launches
[06:05.880 -> 06:08.760] there's some other bits and bobs as well but I think we're going to start with
[06:08.760 -> 06:11.760] talking about launch season.
[06:11.760 -> 06:14.760] Big Dirty News
[06:19.200 -> 06:24.480] The big news is the cars have launched and I would like to go around my panel
[06:24.480 -> 06:25.600] and find out
[06:25.600 -> 06:30.960] who the team, who the panel think did well for their car launches and who perhaps missed the
[06:30.960 -> 06:36.720] inside part of the corner for their launches. But actually I just want to get Jono's opinion
[06:36.720 -> 06:43.120] on launch season itself. It's quite dragged out, there's a lot of hype and it's really hit and
[06:43.120 -> 06:45.200] miss. And I have to admit, I think I only watched
[06:45.200 -> 06:51.760] one live because I thought, I'll see the reaction. If everybody's saying like, this is absolute
[06:52.800 -> 06:57.360] just fodder and folly, I'm not going to catch it. If people got excited about the launch,
[06:57.360 -> 07:02.160] I then went back and caught up on all of it. Yeah, that's what I used to do. Now, I've been
[07:02.160 -> 07:06.880] doing this for at least 5-10 years. It's like, I'll just wait for the motorsport.com article the next morning
[07:06.880 -> 07:08.540] just to see all the pictures and all that.
[07:08.540 -> 07:11.480] I'm like, I don't want to watch an hour and 10 minutes of dribble
[07:11.480 -> 07:12.900] and all this kind of stuff.
[07:12.900 -> 07:15.600] The teams that did it well were this year were Ferrari.
[07:15.600 -> 07:16.840] Like, they were incredible, right?
[07:16.840 -> 07:20.240] I mean, how often do you get a car on track that goes so good?
[07:20.240 -> 07:26.400] But I seriously think we should overhaul car launch season, like we should run a collective
[07:26.400 -> 07:31.760] car launch with all the teams there, one big event like F1 Live, every team gets its own
[07:31.760 -> 07:37.440] 10 minute slot, they can all hype it up, bring their old car from 30 years ago, do some burnouts,
[07:37.440 -> 07:41.760] and you sell out a stadium to a crowd of 30,000, man that would be good for a collective car
[07:41.760 -> 07:42.760] launch.
[07:42.760 -> 07:48.240] That is not a terrible idea, and I bet there would be tracks queuing up to be the track that got the honour of doing that.
[07:48.240 -> 07:50.240] Yeah, so you could have like in American football,
[07:50.240 -> 07:55.040] we have a big paper thing for cars to break out of, and you do it in championship order.
[07:55.040 -> 08:00.400] So like Red Bull come out first, start spinning doughnuts and go, yeah, here's our car.
[08:00.400 -> 08:05.280] And then I guess they can immediately go and do a shakedown lap to show it off.
[08:05.280 -> 08:09.240] Well, now straight away, you do what you said, but the opposite.
[08:09.240 -> 08:12.440] You do your worst teams first from last year, best teams last.
[08:12.440 -> 08:15.720] You keep all the viewers in for about two hours, 20 teams.
[08:15.720 -> 08:16.720] What's that?
[08:16.720 -> 08:19.800] You know, two, two and a half hours, roughly 10 minutes each.
[08:19.800 -> 08:20.720] Not 20 teams.
[08:20.720 -> 08:21.440] Did I say 20 teams?
[08:21.440 -> 08:23.800] I should have said 10 teams, 20 drivers.
[08:23.800 -> 08:24.680] Excuse me.
[08:24.680 -> 08:26.000] And then you get
[08:26.000 -> 08:30.720] the same old good old personalities from TV hosting the event. You get interviews going,
[08:30.720 -> 08:35.760] you get the reserve driver stepping in the 1960 Mercedes, taking it for a spin,
[08:35.760 -> 08:41.040] crowd yelling, cheering. Man, what an event that would be. Picture like the Mexico City
[08:41.040 -> 08:45.680] F1 Grand Prix podium, but as an F1 car launch for all teams.
[08:45.680 -> 08:47.280] In night time under lights.
[08:47.280 -> 08:48.280] Wow.
[08:48.280 -> 08:52.240] You are forgetting about money, of course, because I'm sure MoneyGram want their day
[08:52.240 -> 08:54.280] in the sun, in the limelight, don't they?
[08:54.280 -> 08:59.720] They don't just want Derek from advertising with a MoneyGram board walking around in his
[08:59.720 -> 09:00.720] bikini.
[09:00.720 -> 09:03.760] Yeah, that would be a bitty...
[09:03.760 -> 09:04.760] That's a weird one there.
[09:04.760 -> 09:06.480] I don't know how much I would condone
[09:06.480 -> 09:07.480] that.
[09:07.480 -> 09:11.760] I don't know why my brain went there. Save me. Okay, so obviously, yeah, the reason the
[09:11.760 -> 09:16.120] teams want to get out there with their sponsors is to have their moment in the limelight and
[09:16.120 -> 09:24.920] just create this buzz about their own commercial package, mainly the livery, I think, second,
[09:24.920 -> 09:27.300] and then the rest of it is something that they have to endure.
[09:27.300 -> 09:29.600] So, you know, we've got our livery out there.
[09:29.600 -> 09:31.000] We've shown you our sponsors.
[09:31.000 -> 09:34.300] Now people want to ask you how you think the season is going to go.
[09:34.300 -> 09:36.000] And you have to lie.
[09:36.000 -> 09:38.200] Because there's absolutely no point being honest.
[09:38.200 -> 09:39.800] Guys, I'm going to be honest with you.
[09:39.800 -> 09:41.200] It looks a bit of a wreck.
[09:41.200 -> 09:44.500] I think we're going to be struggling like last season or we have this
[09:44.500 -> 09:45.280] absolutely nailed
[09:45.280 -> 09:48.480] on, this is a concept you must absolutely copy.
[09:48.480 -> 09:49.480] Trumpet.
[09:49.480 -> 09:54.280] I'm actually starting to fall in love with this idea.
[09:54.280 -> 09:58.320] Except for, as an American, I'm clearly imagining, first of all, we do it at like
[09:58.320 -> 10:02.040] Circuit of the Americas with fireworks for each car.
[10:02.040 -> 10:05.880] You get your... each car gets its 10 minutes of fame
[10:05.880 -> 10:09.560] announced by that boxing guy or whoever.
[10:09.560 -> 10:11.480] You show up, you show them the pictures.
[10:11.480 -> 10:14.320] But here's the thing, here's the genius of it.
[10:14.320 -> 10:17.960] The car has to drive from the presentation stage
[10:17.960 -> 10:21.240] down onto the track and complete at least one lap
[10:21.240 -> 10:22.960] without breaking down.
[10:22.960 -> 10:24.280] Or they can't start the season.
[10:24.280 -> 10:26.200] Or they have to go to the-
[10:26.200 -> 10:27.960] Exactly, exactly.
[10:27.960 -> 10:30.040] Yeah, you know, it's already a competition.
[10:30.040 -> 10:33.520] Who can run the fastest lap on the demonstration tires?
[10:33.520 -> 10:34.880] Who will break down?
[10:34.880 -> 10:36.980] And then you make it just early enough
[10:36.980 -> 10:39.580] so that you know the teams are gonna have to sweat
[10:39.580 -> 10:40.420] to get all the pieces.
[10:40.420 -> 10:41.920] Like, we'll talk about it later,
[10:41.920 -> 10:44.120] but like Mercedes pretty much look like
[10:44.120 -> 10:46.800] they duct taped their car together for their actual filming day.
[10:46.800 -> 10:48.160] I don't know if you caught that or not.
[10:48.160 -> 10:51.520] So we could see some really entertaining stuff if we did that.
[10:51.520 -> 10:55.880] Well, that's where, you know what, like that's where the rumor came out with Ferrari.
[10:55.880 -> 10:59.960] Like did they actually live stream that or was it pre-recorded and they pretended that?
[10:59.960 -> 11:02.280] Because like the thing is, what if the car broke down live stream?
[11:02.280 -> 11:05.560] Like that would be the worst absolute thing for a car launch.
[11:05.560 -> 11:09.200] Which is then, that adds to the stakes of this collective car launch.
[11:09.200 -> 11:13.960] The best thing I love about it is, look, run a 30-second hype video before every team comes
[11:13.960 -> 11:15.440] out, fireworks.
[11:15.440 -> 11:20.480] And I wrote about this idea about four years ago, and I got the idea from F1 Texas.
[11:20.480 -> 11:24.080] It's an American thing with some Liberty Media spice to it.
[11:24.080 -> 11:26.000] This makes it so much more cooler.
[11:26.000 -> 11:33.000] I love it. But are you saying that you think Ferrari might be the Milli Vanilli of the F1 launches this season?
[11:33.000 -> 11:40.000] We'll see. I love Ferrari. Ferrari have changed it. They finally made me tune in to an F1 car launch for once.
[11:40.000 -> 11:49.480] Hang on, Matt. You just dropped a Milli Vanilli reference to a 20 year old or whatever Jonno is, 18 or something. Milli Vanilli, there was a scandal, there was a scandal that they
[11:49.480 -> 11:53.320] were caught miming, you know, back before everyone started doing it on Top of the Pops.
[11:53.320 -> 11:57.320] So what you're saying is that some of the teams, their shakedown was pre-recorded and
[11:57.320 -> 12:03.000] wasn't live. But for having the guts to do that, I don't, I'm not subscribing to that
[12:03.000 -> 12:05.100] conspiracy for having the guts to do their car launch don't, I'm not subscribing to that conspiracy, for having the guts to
[12:05.100 -> 12:11.240] do their car launch and then just go straight out on track that day, the winner of car launch
[12:11.240 -> 12:13.720] season is Ferrari.
[12:13.720 -> 12:17.940] I am down with that, although the chat has given me an idea. Instead of having the drivers
[12:17.940 -> 12:21.880] drive the car around, make the team principal do it.
[12:21.880 -> 12:25.520] And Paddy in the live chat there as well said, if you want fireworks,
[12:25.520 -> 12:30.960] just get the Alpine power unit fired up. Very naughty. That cannot win power unit,
[12:30.960 -> 12:34.000] that cannot win comment of the week, how dare you? Anyway, Trump is.
[12:34.720 -> 12:41.600] Yeah, well, I sort of like it. I mean, it sort of fits with a new idea of F1. And I will say,
[12:42.240 -> 12:46.340] having sort of, you know, been present in our patron chats about the
[12:46.340 -> 12:52.640] launches, there were definitely some that were better received than others for different
[12:52.640 -> 12:53.640] reasons.
[12:53.640 -> 12:58.420] And this would, this would be something you could put on F1 TV that Sky could broadcast.
[12:58.420 -> 13:04.020] It would fit into an evening and I don't know, I think, I think it might be a bit of genius
[13:04.020 -> 13:05.600] there, Giano. Well done.
[13:05.600 -> 13:14.680] You know, I think what the point Jano makes, it illustrates the problem with Formula One
[13:14.680 -> 13:28.520] and what the teams have concerning who has their, how do you say this, who's their priority, because it's not the fans and it's not the viewers.
[13:28.520 -> 13:33.520] It's a marketing event and they are never gonna give up
[13:34.800 -> 13:39.800] a part in the spotlights to just, you know,
[13:39.840 -> 13:42.440] throw them all in one bowl and have them come out
[13:42.440 -> 13:45.960] one for one because their sponsors won't be
[13:45.960 -> 13:48.820] happy with it.
[13:48.820 -> 13:52.760] Probably team principals won't be happy with it because, you know, they don't want to share
[13:52.760 -> 13:53.900] a day with the rest.
[13:53.900 -> 13:59.640] They want their own day, you know, and I think what the Red Bull one clearly showed opposed
[13:59.640 -> 14:05.360] to the Ferrari one is like everybody went wild when Ferrari did it like I guess we all
[14:05.360 -> 14:11.720] want it to be and the Red Bull one shows just how much of a marketing tool it is.
[14:11.720 -> 14:17.680] Yeah if you want to say high risk high reward then the Ferrari angle just shows
[14:17.680 -> 14:21.560] confidence as well in the team so I think I think people would be
[14:21.560 -> 14:25.600] understanding if you plan that with the confidence that we've got all your systems running
[14:25.600 -> 14:30.880] You think the car is going to be going obviously you're not running up to maximum heat. You're not
[14:31.680 -> 14:36.080] Restricting the cooling to the point where it might explode you're not turning it up to 11
[14:36.080 -> 14:41.080] You are you are just putting out a car that can go and do a shakedown your general concept is
[14:41.360 -> 14:45.780] Going out there in the Italian air and just cutting shapes, getting
[14:45.780 -> 14:50.580] some vortices going and going around the track. Same as Mercedes going out with obviously
[14:50.580 -> 14:56.260] a very different kind of scenery. You could tell by the wet vortices on the pictures from
[14:56.260 -> 15:02.460] the W14 that they were filming at some time in England that wasn't specifically July or
[15:02.460 -> 15:06.160] August. But doing that just shows confidence and I think
[15:06.160 -> 15:11.600] that's the benchmark. I think I, as fans, we should demand and expect in future seasons
[15:11.600 -> 15:15.760] that we're going to see the launch and then we're going to go and see the car on track.
[15:15.760 -> 15:21.680] So I want to focus on the two teams that did that first. I want to focus on Ferrari because I'm
[15:21.680 -> 15:31.160] feeling a buzz about Ferrari that I personally haven't felt. I know there's a bit of hype about them every season. I know they like to show early on.
[15:31.160 -> 15:37.520] They never seem to sandbag in testing or even during a Friday practice, which is why we
[15:37.520 -> 15:42.560] tend to dampen our expectations of Ferrari. So I'm not really basing it on the launch.
[15:42.560 -> 15:46.800] I'm basing it on the genuine evolution of
[15:46.800 -> 15:47.800] Ferrari.
[15:47.800 -> 15:52.520] Not the blip that we saw at the beginning of 2022 where we all got our hopes up and
[15:52.520 -> 15:56.280] then we had to find a sacrificial lamb for it.
[15:56.280 -> 15:59.240] No, Bonotto, you gave Ferrari fans hope.
[15:59.240 -> 16:02.080] Get into the wicker man, you're off, in you come Fred.
[16:02.080 -> 16:12.120] I think Jules, this has been a genuine evolution for Ferrari and let's take that Bonotto progression from 2019 and the alleged definitely cheating
[16:12.120 -> 16:17.000] with the fuel stuff and just take it for what it is, a journey that 2020...
[16:17.000 -> 16:18.000] Allegedly.
[16:18.000 -> 16:24.920] Allegedly. They definitely did it. But 2023, the natural progression would be one of hope.
[16:24.920 -> 16:29.920] They came into the new regulation set well.
[16:29.920 -> 16:36.560] I'm sorry, I need to maybe step on your hope a bit here, Spencer.
[16:36.560 -> 16:37.560] Everyone does.
[16:37.560 -> 16:46.720] This is the team that messed up multiple pit stops last season, multiple strategies, had a number one driver making
[16:46.720 -> 16:54.240] mistakes and all that's different to that is a couple of winter months and a proper car launch.
[16:55.280 -> 17:00.640] And maybe an article that has arisen this winter, I think in the Gazetta de los Portes,
[17:01.840 -> 17:06.720] where they came up with numbers about how much the power unit would increase
[17:06.720 -> 17:11.840] on horsepower. But I don't know, man, I think Ferrari will be Ferrari.
[17:12.400 -> 17:17.600] Okay, so I'll counter that with saying that I think a lot of those mistakes came about because
[17:17.600 -> 17:24.160] they were in a situation where they really, they weren't really the title contenders last season
[17:24.160 -> 17:25.520] that they appeared to be.
[17:25.520 -> 17:30.500] They were flattered by their traditional starting stronger at the beginning of the season than
[17:30.500 -> 17:36.840] they tend to say develop, and they were flattered by Verstappen having two very early DNFs as
[17:36.840 -> 17:37.840] well.
[17:37.840 -> 17:42.920] Suddenly, the Bonotto journey to, hey, come on, this is getting better, turned into, you
[17:42.920 -> 17:48.660] will win the championship now, sir, and we will expect nothing less, put them under a lot of pressure, put them
[17:48.660 -> 17:50.920] under a lot of strain.
[17:50.920 -> 17:59.560] But have we ever seen a team in recent history that changed team principles, had a new man
[17:59.560 -> 18:05.840] at the helm, and then immediately go and win the World Drivers Championship? I don't know.
[18:05.840 -> 18:12.560] Okay, so here's the deal with that. If they win this year, the credit should go to Benotto.
[18:12.560 -> 18:17.600] It's not Frederic Vasseur doing everything in three months to turn this team around.
[18:17.600 -> 18:23.000] It's the fact that there's this rumor around that Ferrari have gone for, with the engine freeze,
[18:23.000 -> 18:25.100] performance and said let's develop reliability over the next three for, with the engine freeze, performance and said, let's
[18:25.100 -> 18:27.680] develop reliability over the next three years.
[18:27.680 -> 18:30.420] So the theory is that's why they were so quick in qualifying.
[18:30.420 -> 18:35.740] The potential of that power unit can run over one lap and be the best power unit out there,
[18:35.740 -> 18:40.260] but they just couldn't do it in race conditions, which is why they had to turn it down, turn
[18:40.260 -> 18:42.180] the engine down is what I'm saying.
[18:42.180 -> 18:47.360] And then you've got Leclerc sort of pushing over the limit, making mistakes, trying to keep up with Max Verstappen
[18:47.560 -> 18:49.960] because they can't run the same performance in the race.
[18:50.280 -> 18:52.960] Now they're improving reliability, which is the rumor.
[18:53.000 -> 18:56.200] Their dyno testing says, look, the car's getting a little bit more reliable.
[18:56.360 -> 18:57.600] We're on the right track.
[18:57.600 -> 19:00.160] That makes for a scary Ferrari, not just this year,
[19:00.160 -> 19:02.920] but until the end of the engine freeze in 2025.
[19:02.920 -> 19:05.280] So in my opinion, this is Mattia Bonotto,
[19:05.280 -> 19:10.960] despite being the chief technical officer and approving an alleged power unit that allegedly
[19:10.960 -> 19:16.480] used too much fuel, has now created a power unit who could be world championship material
[19:16.480 -> 19:21.920] for the next three years. It could be insane. Oh, see, now I have to be all Jules. I have to
[19:21.920 -> 19:29.440] go all Sagesy on you and try and dampen that down a bit. There is, there has I think been quite a few occasions where we've heard in F1,
[19:29.440 -> 19:35.600] the performance is there, it's just the reliability we need to work on. And I wonder how many times
[19:35.600 -> 19:41.760] we've had a car that looks incredible but breaks down quite a bit, suddenly turn it around and
[19:41.760 -> 19:48.200] deliver that consistency as well as the pace. I would say one of one or two things, you know, one of two or three things happened. You
[19:48.200 -> 19:55.640] get Hamilton's McLaren in 2012 where, on pace, that was a championship-winning car
[19:55.640 -> 20:00.400] I think. I think that perhaps you will have to compromise on performance
[20:00.400 -> 20:05.720] eventually. I'm not an engine engineer. Com, compromise on the performance to get that
[20:05.720 -> 20:11.680] reliability, or you keep pushing it and you keep having your reliability problems. I feel
[20:11.680 -> 20:18.040] my engineering soul, Jono, feels like it's a dodgy path to go, let's make it perform
[20:18.040 -> 20:22.200] as well as possible, don't worry about all the bits flying off everywhere and the amount
[20:22.200 -> 20:25.120] of times it chugs out will somehow sort that out.
[20:26.000 -> 20:29.440] Well, they've developed it to the rule set. And I think if the theory is true,
[20:29.440 -> 20:32.640] and these rumors are true, it's one of the most genius ideas that they've ever
[20:33.600 -> 20:38.160] conjured up Ferrari, you know, they could dominate the next three years. Mercedes have allegedly,
[20:38.160 -> 20:41.680] again, we're going to be careful these days, have allegedly done the opposite. And they've always
[20:41.680 -> 20:49.040] been renowned for going for reliability first, which is why they were so good for 2014 with the new era and the issue with that is they
[20:49.040 -> 20:51.240] can't really develop the performance.
[20:51.240 -> 20:55.800] The only changes you can make with the engine freeze era, or I say engine freeze era for
[20:55.800 -> 20:58.380] the next three years, is for reliability.
[20:58.380 -> 21:00.960] So that's where Mercedes could be in deep trouble.
[21:00.960 -> 21:04.440] They're going to have to find aerodynamic performance somehow if they can't improve
[21:04.440 -> 21:08.920] that power unit. Well the interesting thing about that is that
[21:08.920 -> 21:15.080] Mercedes, having been so far ahead in the power unit game in what is what was very
[21:15.080 -> 21:23.200] clearly a power unit dominated regulation set, had way less room to push
[21:23.200 -> 21:30.000] for power. All the other manufacturers were busy trying to catch up to their level of performance.
[21:30.000 -> 21:40.840] And yet, even with that, I read an interview with, I think it was Howell from Bricksworth,
[21:40.840 -> 21:45.920] that they still found some reliability issues in their power unit that they
[21:45.920 -> 21:50.280] would like to correct, but that he felt that there was still a fair amount of
[21:50.280 -> 21:56.360] room for optimization and improvement with the mapping and with the
[21:56.360 -> 22:03.240] software for Mercedes. Now I do like your point about Bonato, and I only want
[22:03.240 -> 22:05.960] to add to that. don't forget that the technical
[22:05.960 -> 22:10.560] directive that came out halfway through the season about the flexible planks
[22:10.560 -> 22:17.160] really torpedoed Ferrari a lot more than it did Red Bull. That was another player
[22:17.160 -> 22:21.800] in why they weren't as competitive as they appeared to be early on in the
[22:21.800 -> 22:27.760] season. Now we have the opposite problem. Can Vasur extend and
[22:27.760 -> 22:32.220] develop this car that he's been gifted? And I don't think we're going to see that till
[22:32.220 -> 22:37.960] once again about halfway through the season. So they could start strong, but if they falter,
[22:37.960 -> 22:40.280] we all know who we're going to blame for that one.
[22:40.280 -> 22:44.240] Benotto? No. Who were we? Just Vasur straight away.
[22:44.240 -> 22:45.040] Vasur. Oh yeah, yeah,, straight away. Vassour.
[22:45.040 -> 22:47.960] Yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely. Always blame the new guy.
[22:47.960 -> 22:51.160] Not the people above him that did all this hiring and firing.
[22:51.160 -> 22:57.520] But the problem I've got, as someone who has traditionally treated Ferrari as the enemy,
[22:57.520 -> 23:06.720] Tofosi, mad respect for you, especially in the last five or so years, I've come to appreciate what a good fan base the Ferrari...
[23:08.480 -> 23:13.920] When you take away the muddy cloud of success making me hate you guys so much
[23:13.920 -> 23:19.760] from the 90s and early 2000s, the Tifosi's a really good fan base. They're very knowledgeable,
[23:19.760 -> 23:23.840] pretty chill, and very accommodating to other fan bases. I think they're a fan base that is...
[23:23.840 -> 23:26.040] they wear their support on their chest
[23:26.040 -> 23:28.440] and they say, yes, I am a Ferrari fan.
[23:28.440 -> 23:31.660] And I like that, I admire that you can do that.
[23:31.660 -> 23:34.360] But I've enjoyed hating you in a sporting sense.
[23:34.360 -> 23:36.920] And I think, Jono, I think that's valid, isn't it?
[23:36.920 -> 23:39.040] Like in cricket with the Aussies.
[23:39.040 -> 23:41.600] Like I could not hate a cricket team more
[23:41.600 -> 23:44.480] than the late 90s Australian cricket team.
[23:44.480 -> 23:48.160] Well, the Ashes are coming up. That going to be a very interesting year for us, good
[23:48.160 -> 23:52.320] old banter on Missed Apex, but yeah I have the same hate for Ferrari too, for some reason
[23:52.320 -> 23:56.080] I don't have it anymore, it's almost sympathy for the fanbase.
[23:56.080 -> 23:58.640] That's why I'm wondering, why has it dissipated?
[23:58.640 -> 24:02.020] I think sympathy, there's a little bit of that from the last few seasons and I keep
[24:02.020 -> 24:08.240] empathising with their false hope, but actually I think it's a bit more than that this season. I think a bit more this season,
[24:08.240 -> 24:12.560] I like their personalities, I like the way they're going about things, I like the drivers
[24:12.560 -> 24:18.880] and I like their progression. And I think if Mercedes aren't in that top two and it is Red Bull
[24:18.880 -> 24:24.880] and Ferrari having a fight, I think I am going to be actively gunning for Ferrari. I'm going to be
[24:24.880 -> 24:25.520] rooting for Ferrari. I think, look, we'll actively gunning for Ferrari. I'm going to be rooting for
[24:25.520 -> 24:30.240] Ferrari. I think, look, we'll talk pre-season testing later, but I seriously think they're
[24:30.240 -> 24:36.080] going to be the quickest this week. And I think that Leclerc, in my mind, I might be wrong and
[24:36.080 -> 24:39.400] I'm happy to be wrong, but I think he is favorite for the World Championship at the moment.
[24:39.400 -> 24:46.360] Whoa, that's a big call. That's a big call, Jules. Wow. Didn't even wait till the end of the show to go there.
[24:46.360 -> 24:47.360] Okay.
[24:47.360 -> 24:49.600] It is a big call.
[24:49.600 -> 24:56.640] And let's, I think we speak for maybe all of Formula One fans that want to see a title
[24:56.640 -> 25:00.840] fight, more of a title fight than last year, that let's hope Giano is right.
[25:00.840 -> 25:08.000] But let's hope for Frederik Verzeauseur's sake that Giano is right, because imagine,
[25:08.000 -> 25:11.480] you know, Ferrari always strikes me as a bit of a, I don't know if this is the correct
[25:11.480 -> 25:19.160] word to use, but as a bit of a partisan team, you know, divisive, like split opinions. Yeah,
[25:19.160 -> 25:31.880] but also very, well, you know, Italian rooted. And a lot of people refer to the, what's his name? Jean Tod era with
[25:31.880 -> 25:43.200] Rory Byrne and Ross Brawn. The whole core of the principles were non-Italian. Now, Fazer
[25:43.200 -> 25:47.120] is there and obviously he's not Italian, but he's pretty much the
[25:47.120 -> 25:54.800] only one, you know. Imagine if Ferrari flunked it again. How much credit does Fazer have
[25:54.800 -> 25:59.040] before it all starts crumbling down? Do you know what I mean?
[25:59.040 -> 26:02.920] Yeah, that's like, seriously, right now, I totally agree with that. And I think it's
[26:02.920 -> 26:06.960] more, this is like being up 8-0 with like 20 minutes to go.
[26:06.960 -> 26:11.360] And it's like, you somehow managed to lose like 9-8 if they don't win this year or in
[26:11.360 -> 26:12.360] the next three years.
[26:12.360 -> 26:13.360] I don't know.
[26:13.360 -> 26:14.360] That's a lot of pressure.
[26:14.360 -> 26:15.360] They're in prime position.
[26:15.360 -> 26:18.120] They're in prime position to win, in my opinion.
[26:18.120 -> 26:19.120] So you got...
[26:19.120 -> 26:20.120] Okay.
[26:20.120 -> 26:23.600] So what I'm getting from this is Jono's basically saying it's an open goal for not only Ferrari,
[26:23.600 -> 26:25.180] but Leclerc to win a championship. I'm not saying that. I'm not feeling it's an open goal for not only Ferrari but Leclerc to win a championship.
[26:25.180 -> 26:29.640] I'm not saying that, I'm not feeling it's an open goal. And basically, Jules, you're
[26:29.640 -> 26:35.140] saying they're out of excuses because they can't blame non-Italian staff anymore, it's
[26:35.140 -> 26:40.380] an Italian team, obviously drivers and principal aside, where does the blame go if they don't
[26:40.380 -> 26:45.600] deliver this title? Trumpets! These guys are putting an awful lot of pressure on Ferrari. All
[26:45.600 -> 26:51.360] I was saying was, kind of hate them a bit less than I would, I can see a situation where I would
[26:51.360 -> 26:59.280] support them. It is funny to think of the oldest team in Formula One, the team without which
[26:59.280 -> 27:09.040] technically there might not be a Formula One, as under. And yet, here we are. They have managed somehow to rebrand themselves
[27:09.040 -> 27:12.720] as not the dominant force in the sport.
[27:12.720 -> 27:15.200] Now, part of that has been Mercedes' long run.
[27:15.200 -> 27:20.040] Part of that has been Red Bull's long-ish run.
[27:20.040 -> 27:28.080] But mostly, I really think that Ferrari, in the form of Bonato, overhauled a lot of what
[27:28.080 -> 27:36.320] their culture was, and it became a lot more exciting for non-Italian, non-Ferrari fans.
[27:36.320 -> 27:40.000] I mean, because I think everyone was a Ferrari fan when they won the World Championships.
[27:40.560 -> 27:46.860] I have a theory about this. You become a fan of whoever's winning when you first start watching Formula 1, and that
[27:46.860 -> 27:48.480] is who you kind of stick with.
[27:48.480 -> 27:53.120] So like the people who came over to Raikkonen, you get my point.
[27:53.120 -> 27:58.400] But those people are longer in the tooth than when they first came in, because it's been
[27:58.400 -> 27:59.400] a while.
[27:59.400 -> 28:03.120] So people are coming back to Ferraris, oh, well, they look promising.
[28:03.120 -> 28:05.600] They have young, exciting drivers who make a
[28:05.600 -> 28:11.200] very good driver pairing, I will admit, and am slightly envious of the science hair situation.
[28:14.560 -> 28:17.760] But I think they're beginning to attract a different kind of fan.
[28:17.760 -> 28:20.240] That's interesting. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[28:20.240 -> 28:28.000] And for people who've been here a while, they are different in all and culture that that what we used to be like, oh, Ferrari
[28:29.000 -> 28:35.920] It's there's no resistance there anymore when we push. I think what you're saying is this is not your father's Ferrari
[28:38.160 -> 28:40.160] Big dirty news
[28:51.120 -> 28:59.320] Mercedes talks a lot about why you shouldn't jump to conclusions when you're analyzing a Formula One launch. Mercedes launched with, I would say, a very relaxed sofa type appearance.
[28:59.320 -> 29:05.800] They had presenters from Sky interviewing Toto Wolff and Mick Schumacher front and centre.
[29:05.800 -> 29:11.800] Really, they were very keen on showcasing his role in the team and of course George Russell and Lewis Hamilton.
[29:11.800 -> 29:17.300] Lots of questions that you would expect. It was in danger at times of turning into a Beyond the Grid episode,
[29:17.300 -> 29:26.340] while everybody on the live stream was screaming, please sirs, tell us what colour your car is and if it could be black that
[29:26.340 -> 29:31.960] would perhaps be quite popular amongst this live stream. Eventually they showed their
[29:31.960 -> 29:37.840] launch car. Everyone I think in the live stream, in that chat, delighted I think amongst the
[29:37.840 -> 29:46.340] Mercedes fans to see a return of the championship winning livery style, it being a very, very dark car made up of a lot
[29:46.340 -> 29:52.360] of carbon fibre bare and the top parts being black with only really the odd trim of the
[29:52.360 -> 29:57.760] Petronas blue and then the Mercedes silver. But I think the most fascinating thing from
[29:57.760 -> 30:02.720] that launch is the shape of the car. Apart from the livery, people were really, really
[30:02.720 -> 30:05.200] looking out to see would they stay
[30:05.200 -> 30:10.640] with the zero side pod concept, with nothing there on the sides.
[30:10.640 -> 30:15.480] And me and Jules have argued about whether they gave away that they were moving away
[30:15.480 -> 30:17.960] from the zero pod concept.
[30:17.960 -> 30:21.800] And it wasn't quite clear from the launch car that they showed.
[30:21.800 -> 30:26.400] It seemed to show a slightly more substantial bulge behind the main
[30:26.400 -> 30:33.920] air inlet. Perhaps it was a 0.5 side pod. Jules and I will argue about this in a moment but then
[30:33.920 -> 30:39.360] the most interesting thing was when they went on track that wasn't the shape of the car at all.
[30:40.240 -> 30:43.440] Which just goes to kind of prove a point that we've been talking about here on the pod is that
[30:43.440 -> 30:48.320] when they show these renders or a launch car like Aston Martin did,
[30:48.320 -> 30:53.360] and it's just sitting there, that doesn't necessarily dictate what you're going to see.
[30:53.360 -> 30:58.160] You're not going to see big, razor-dramatic streaks into the floor,
[30:58.160 -> 31:04.160] because they are just showing a... they're not showing their secrets there for the presentation for the sponsors.
[31:04.160 -> 31:05.440] It's about the sponsors.
[31:05.440 -> 31:13.240] So all that tech analysis about all the pokey, roundy things and the Y2K Jimmy Jabber, Matt,
[31:13.240 -> 31:18.480] is kind of meaningless. And Mercedes showed us in real time, hey, here's our car. Analyze
[31:18.480 -> 31:22.320] this for 30 seconds before we show you something completely different.
[31:22.320 -> 31:27.800] Well, and this is why it's always good to wait until you see pictures from the track,
[31:27.800 -> 31:32.120] because usually the teams will do either a demonstration or a filming day, and then you're
[31:32.120 -> 31:36.600] going to be seeing a lot more of what you would expect to be getting at testing.
[31:36.600 -> 31:44.600] Which leads me to my first rule improvement for Jono's big bonanza of fresh livery cars,
[31:44.600 -> 31:49.600] which is the first day of testing has to be with the car the exact car you drive around the track
[31:50.040 -> 31:52.040] When you reveal it
[31:52.920 -> 31:57.320] It's the thing is like how would you know that is it? How would you regulate that?
[31:57.320 -> 32:02.520] Would you go well if the car looks 1% different? Is it not the same car it becomes a it becomes hard
[32:02.520 -> 32:09.920] I wish we could do that. It's a bit hard to do. It's easy because they have CAD files that go to the FIA and scrutineering's done with
[32:09.920 -> 32:14.720] a laser scanner. So yeah, I get the CAD file, I run it through the laser scanner,
[32:14.720 -> 32:18.480] and then I check it again before it goes out on track at Bahrain.
[32:18.480 -> 32:23.520] So whilst I maintain that you should never sit and read too much into the cars you see right
[32:23.520 -> 32:25.080] at the beginning of the season pre-testing.
[32:25.320 -> 32:29.240] Let's sit and analyze what we think about the shape of that Mercedes car,
[32:29.240 -> 32:36.100] but mostly because of the argument me and Jules were having, which is I think Mercedes told us in press interviews,
[32:36.100 -> 32:40.520] they told us that we saw where it went wrong, and it was before
[32:40.960 -> 32:45.580] we went down the zero side pod, and they have turned up with, I think, a little
[32:45.580 -> 32:49.880] bit more of a side pod, which Matt, I'll give Matt credit for, thinks that that is because
[32:49.880 -> 32:53.520] it's, you know, just going to support the floor a little bit more, help with the paupering
[32:53.520 -> 32:57.800] or something, something, something, I don't really listen to. But when they went out on
[32:57.800 -> 33:06.360] track they had this pretty unique bulge coming out from the halo and it was like an up pod. It's not a side pod. It was
[33:06.360 -> 33:12.920] like they had two top pods. So I think that means I was right and you were wrong.
[33:12.920 -> 33:15.280] I don't remember you using the word top pod.
[33:15.280 -> 33:19.080] No, I did. If you roll back the tape, I clearly said they're going to go for top pods guys.
[33:19.080 -> 33:20.080] I'm all over this.
[33:20.080 -> 33:26.800] They look like, like two cannons on either side side that could have confetti going out once they
[33:26.800 -> 33:29.120] pass the checkered flag for a first win.
[33:29.120 -> 33:32.680] But yeah, I think I was right.
[33:32.680 -> 33:35.640] It looks like they stood by their philosophy.
[33:35.640 -> 33:38.400] I think two things could have happened.
[33:38.400 -> 33:43.840] They stick to their philosophy or they move towards what apparently is a winning car,
[33:43.840 -> 33:48.800] which would be something like what Red Bull were doing.
[33:49.120 -> 33:54.120] And I think call it a 0.5 side pod or whatever,
[33:55.680 -> 33:58.920] but I think they stuck to the plan
[33:58.920 -> 34:02.560] and they sound pretty confident, I thought,
[34:02.560 -> 34:05.300] about where this is going.
[34:05.300 -> 34:09.600] So I just got to say, I've been saying 0.5 pods for a while has been the way they're
[34:09.600 -> 34:10.600] going to go.
[34:10.600 -> 34:16.340] And for the reasons, mainly, I think that Spanners elucidated, which is that it gives
[34:16.340 -> 34:19.340] them a greater control over the flexibility of the floor.
[34:19.340 -> 34:24.060] I don't know if you remember, there was a great shot of a broken Red Bull side pod and
[34:24.060 -> 34:28.800] inside of it, you could see floor stays and supports that Mercedes absolutely
[34:28.800 -> 34:33.040] couldn't run last season and I think there was some learning there. What's
[34:33.040 -> 34:40.280] interesting to me is if you look at Mercedes they have like that interesting
[34:40.280 -> 34:48.800] what would you call them side rolls that seem to be channeling air right down the center line, which I'm understanding
[34:48.800 -> 34:52.920] is bossy air, mainly from the halo.
[34:52.920 -> 34:57.160] If you look at the Aston Martin, they have those wild water slides that appear to be
[34:57.160 -> 34:58.200] doing the same thing.
[34:58.200 -> 35:03.320] If you look at the Alpine, they too have a similar kind of concept.
[35:03.320 -> 35:10.180] And so I'm beginning to think that the aerodynamicists have sort of found something, at least at
[35:10.180 -> 35:17.520] those three teams, that they think will improve the dragginess of their car and performance
[35:17.520 -> 35:20.100] of their car at no cost.
[35:20.100 -> 35:22.340] And Mercedes has gone this way.
[35:22.340 -> 35:23.340] But I agree with Jules.
[35:23.340 -> 35:26.960] They have stuck with the basic concept of this car.
[35:26.960 -> 35:31.600] They haven't gone to Red Bull style downwash. They haven't gone to Ferrari style inwash.
[35:31.600 -> 35:38.080] Wait, wait. Yeah, look, Jules is claiming victory here. The Patreon live stream is saying as well,
[35:38.080 -> 35:42.160] I should stop being a sore loser. Jules was right. Everyone's agreeing with Jules. And they said the
[35:42.160 -> 35:52.800] only way that I can be right is if any bulge is defined as a pod. So from now on, any bulge is defined as a pod, Jules.
[35:54.320 -> 36:05.320] That's a great FIA way of twerking the rules later on. But you know, despite I'm being right and Matt backing me, and you did the last time.
[36:05.320 -> 36:07.960] And magnificently handsome, yes, yes, yes.
[36:07.960 -> 36:11.520] Question is, do Mercedes fans have to be happy about this
[36:11.520 -> 36:12.040] or not?
[36:12.040 -> 36:18.640] Because A, the car last year was assumed to be so draggy
[36:18.640 -> 36:21.520] that they lost so much straight line speed.
[36:21.520 -> 36:27.040] And if they stuck, from what we can tell, aerodynamically with what they were
[36:27.040 -> 36:32.000] doing, did they solve enough of the dragginess this way by sticking to that philosophy?
[36:32.000 -> 36:37.200] On the other hand, last year already and during last season, Mercedes pointed out that
[36:37.840 -> 36:52.960] most of their changes and most of the problems were beneath the bodywork. So it's not what we could see. So maybe they show up in Melbourne
[36:52.960 -> 36:56.480] without the two confetti cannons and they look totally different again.
[36:57.520 -> 37:06.800] So we know that there's already been talk about this changing for Mercedes. If you take a careful look at the photos from
[37:06.800 -> 37:14.400] the track, you'll notice how modular those side pods are. And if you took a really careful look,
[37:14.400 -> 37:20.240] you'll see that I was not joking about them duct taping their car together for the first day's run,
[37:20.240 -> 37:26.560] which ended in failure. I do need to point that out. It was supposed to be a filming day
[37:26.560 -> 37:30.720] and they declared it a demonstration day after they couldn't get the car to run because they
[37:30.720 -> 37:38.160] had an engine misfire. So there are some questions about Mercedes here that they don't normally have.
[37:38.160 -> 37:43.440] Now, I'm sure Spanners wants me to go on for about 15 minutes about my personal take on this.
[37:43.440 -> 37:44.000] I do.
[37:43.520 -> 37:44.520] Banners wants me to go on for about 15 minutes about my personal take on this. I do!
[37:44.520 -> 37:47.240] But I'll give you the TLDR.
[37:47.240 -> 37:55.000] I think that they know what the next big step in the evolution of this design is, but they
[37:55.000 -> 38:00.560] were afraid to start with that in case they got it wrong after last season.
[38:00.560 -> 38:06.280] So expect by race three or four to see a significantly different design if the testing
[38:06.280 -> 38:09.160] proves their fundamental aero concept to be sound.
[38:09.160 -> 38:10.520] It doesn't matter.
[38:10.520 -> 38:12.120] That thing is bouncing.
[38:12.120 -> 38:14.200] The porpoising is back.
[38:14.200 -> 38:19.720] We saw over zero seconds of evidence from...
[38:19.720 -> 38:25.480] And I never like to speak bad of our panel, but within our group we did have a bit of fun
[38:25.480 -> 38:31.560] with Bradley Philpott, who just posted an observation saying, uh-oh, with a one-second
[38:31.560 -> 38:35.760] clip of Lewis Hamilton bouncing in the car down the Wellington Strait.
[38:35.760 -> 38:41.500] And we had a fantastic debate in our WhatsApp chat about whether this was indeed porpoising
[38:41.500 -> 38:43.600] or simply a bounce.
[38:43.600 -> 38:46.800] And I think there was later evidence that showed a
[38:46.800 -> 38:50.000] longer clip of him going down the Wellington Strait which looked pretty smooth. Looks like
[38:50.000 -> 38:54.960] he hit a bump and then was just a little bit of oscillation as that settled down.
[38:55.520 -> 39:05.840] But that scared the Mercedes fan base. It was retweeted by Karun Chandhok, it was retreated by F1 broadcasters and it exploded.
[39:05.840 -> 39:09.760] It just shows, Jono, that Mercedes fans and F1
[39:09.760 -> 39:11.720] is holding their breath to see,
[39:11.720 -> 39:14.520] is that Mercedes gonna be porpoising?
[39:14.520 -> 39:17.400] Have they solved that big 22 problem?
[39:17.400 -> 39:18.600] Yeah, that's media.
[39:18.600 -> 39:19.420] I mean, that's hype.
[39:19.420 -> 39:21.080] The pressure's always gonna be on Mercedes,
[39:21.080 -> 39:23.760] who were the headline team for porpoising last year
[39:23.760 -> 39:24.600] with their issues.
[39:24.600 -> 39:30.040] So I saw races towards the end of last year with the Red Bull and the Ferrari bouncing
[39:30.040 -> 39:35.700] aggressively and I was like, oh, they're still pretty quick. So you still see cars porpoising
[39:35.700 -> 39:39.000] every now and then, but I think any time it happens to the Mercedes, it's going to be
[39:39.000 -> 39:43.800] like, whoa, this is the end, you know? So it's typical for them.
[39:43.800 -> 39:45.360] This is end times. And if you don't want to see the end times of know, so it's typical for them. This is end times.
[39:45.360 -> 39:48.560] And if you don't want to see the end times of Missed Apex podcast,
[39:48.560 -> 39:54.480] why not consider helping us this season by going along to patreon.com forward slash Missed Apex.
[39:54.480 -> 40:01.360] See if you can get an ad-free audio feed or get access to the extra more casual content we do throughout the season,
[40:01.360 -> 40:02.880] which will be kicking off this week.
[40:02.880 -> 40:12.000] There will be a patron pod featuring me and Matt. Roughly 30% F1 content if that. It's worse content but it will be included.
[40:12.000 -> 40:18.400] Plus we have a fantastic community forum using the app Slack where me and Matt hang out all the time
[40:18.400 -> 40:30.100] and chat and stuff. But mainly I believe that you should support independent podcasts. If you don't want to see the whole of Apple iTunes and Spotify filled with corporate podcasts,
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[42:41.600 -> 42:48.880] Let us head over to France and witness the French Revolution happening in Formula 1.
[42:48.880 -> 42:57.200] Yes, the French Renault-slash-Alpine team being headed up by two young superstar drivers.
[42:57.200 -> 43:02.480] Gasly and Ocon will line up for Alpine in 2023,
[43:02.480 -> 43:08.240] but will they have the car underneath them to justify the red-hot volcanic
[43:08.240 -> 43:15.040] battle that's going to be going on in the paddock? I would appear to be that way, at least if we're
[43:15.040 -> 43:21.680] to believe our friend Esteban, who said that the car was made last year's car look like a toy
[43:21.680 -> 43:26.480] after he finished his 50 kilometers or so of driving it around a track.
[43:27.520 -> 43:30.480] But more importantly, if we are to believe the technical director,
[43:31.280 -> 43:39.520] I think I'm exceedingly intrigued by their car. They've redesigned the entire rear end.
[43:39.520 -> 43:46.000] They've gone to pushrod suspension. They've saved a lot of weight. They've saved so much weight,
[43:46.000 -> 43:53.920] they were perfectly happy to have the 796 kilogram weight limit instead of the 798 that we get.
[43:53.920 -> 44:00.240] And I'll remind you that matters because ballast can be moved around the car to make it more
[44:00.240 -> 44:05.600] drivable for the drivers. And then when Matt Harmon, who was a technical director,
[44:05.600 -> 44:11.520] was speaking about their filming day, he said, it went off so flawlessly that we spent most of our
[44:11.520 -> 44:16.400] time just making changes for the drivers. We didn't have to worry at all about whether or not
[44:16.400 -> 44:22.000] the car could get around the track, which possibly was some shade being thrown other directions.
[44:22.000 -> 44:22.880] I don't know which ones.
[44:24.080 -> 44:27.520] Yeah. Well, they did. They showed that though. Did we see the Alpine
[44:28.080 -> 44:32.720] shakedown was at Silverstone? I know there was some Instagram footage from someone called Connor,
[44:32.720 -> 44:36.560] I forget, who just happened to be staying in the hotel. I didn't know that. I didn't know you could
[44:36.560 -> 44:42.800] just stay in a hotel in Silverstone around testing time. I'm going to book that for 2024.
[44:42.800 -> 44:48.000] But they didn't do like a whole thing like Ferrari and Mercedes though.
[44:48.000 -> 44:54.000] No, their filming day was separate from, and in fact, you know, if you're going to be annoying about the launch,
[44:54.000 -> 45:11.300] they talked about some really interesting initiatives they were doing with, they've added Abby Pulling to their driver academy along with sophia flourish who will be racing in f3 sophia will and abby will be doing the app for support series.
[45:11.700 -> 45:16.000] That formula one is doing now for women only.
[45:16.200 -> 45:25.560] What interesting leave also gone and found six young girl carters ages ten to thirteen and they will be supporting him, and they will have access
[45:25.560 -> 45:30.240] to Alpine's Human Performance Academy, and they will have representation, I think, from
[45:30.240 -> 45:35.580] the same group that represented Lando Norris when he was a Carter.
[45:35.580 -> 45:42.640] So I'm actually kind of excited about that, about 10 years from now, to see where that
[45:42.640 -> 45:43.640] leads to.
[45:43.640 -> 45:44.640] Oh, hang on.
[45:44.640 -> 45:48.400] We don't have to wait 10 years, though. I mean, Sophie Flourish, sorry for
[45:48.400 -> 45:54.480] pronunciation. Is that close enough? He's a talented driver. Unfortunately, the big highlight
[45:54.480 -> 46:00.560] was going very high at Macau and basically flying off track and crashing into a building.
[46:00.560 -> 46:07.920] I think even like the first story of a building, but she is a genuinely, you know, talented driver in single-seaters and
[46:08.240 -> 46:10.240] Abby pulling was a
[46:10.600 -> 46:16.160] W-series driver as well. You see a driver and she's doing the f1 series, but I meant that
[46:16.840 -> 46:19.920] We have talked about this that karting is where it all starts
[46:19.920 -> 46:27.280] and one of the hardest thing for girls in karting is getting the same level of sponsorship and attention that boys get and
[46:28.200 -> 46:31.680] Alpine is taking carters at the correct age and
[46:32.640 -> 46:39.740] Giving them that so I'm I'm it's only six should be like 60 or 600 or 6,000
[46:40.200 -> 46:43.600] To catch up if you if because we talk about the numbers game, too
[46:44.280 -> 46:50.520] Yeah, but they're showing a real sort of I like their approach to this and they're showing
[46:51.200 -> 46:55.880] They're putting their money where f1's mouth is a bit if you catch my drift
[46:55.880 -> 46:58.700] Well that seems nice and to me
[46:59.140 -> 47:04.760] Maybe it shouldn't be and maybe I'm soft in my old age or or liberal and woke or whatever
[47:04.860 -> 47:06.080] Whatever insults get flung
[47:06.080 -> 47:12.000] around these days, but it seems like a nice thing to do. And to me, that shows caring and it shows a
[47:12.000 -> 47:18.560] big picture philosophy outside of just the immediate concerns of the Formula One team.
[47:18.560 -> 47:28.640] So for me, that is something that pulls me slightly closer to going, ah, those Alpine fellas, they're not so bad, but I tell you what, Jono,
[47:29.360 -> 47:30.720] they are not a team I love.
[47:32.240 -> 47:37.120] Since they returned properly as the Renault outfit, mostly led by a Beatable,
[47:37.840 -> 47:41.600] I don't think I've had a single season where I've wished them well.
[47:43.280 -> 47:44.800] They've had an interesting one.
[47:44.800 -> 47:46.720] I like what they're doing there with the junior talent.
[47:46.720 -> 47:51.320] You know, you just need one female to break out, to inspire the next generation.
[47:51.320 -> 47:52.880] Look what Danica Patrick did in IndyCar.
[47:52.880 -> 47:54.160] You know, she managed to win a race.
[47:54.160 -> 47:55.440] She managed to do so well.
[47:55.440 -> 47:58.320] So you want that for these next young girls coming in.
[47:58.320 -> 48:00.480] But again, it's unfortunate.
[48:00.560 -> 48:01.880] It's Alpine. You're right.
[48:01.880 -> 48:06.480] It's not a team that even myself, they've had this sense of rivalry, but you know what?
[48:06.480 -> 48:11.720] I think now with Fernando Alonso gone, this could be one of the most exciting teams to
[48:11.720 -> 48:12.720] watch.
[48:12.720 -> 48:16.480] So you got two French young guns, well, I say young guns, I'm getting old now.
[48:16.480 -> 48:17.480] Medium guns.
[48:17.480 -> 48:18.480] Medium guns.
[48:18.480 -> 48:24.800] Well, yeah, so that could be an interesting rivalry or it could be some sort of brewing
[48:24.800 -> 48:25.480] bromance
[48:25.480 -> 48:29.080] that's coming along between those two and revitalising that relationship.
[48:29.080 -> 48:31.360] It's an interesting year for them.
[48:31.360 -> 48:35.880] It's a weird dichotomy you've put there, which is I would consider myself a Fernando Alonso
[48:35.880 -> 48:43.400] fan, yet I will like Alpine more now that Alonso has moved on and has been replaced
[48:43.400 -> 48:44.400] with Gasly.
[48:44.400 -> 48:45.080] And I can't explain that.
[48:45.080 -> 48:48.200] I can't explain how I am both a fan of Fernando Alonso,
[48:48.200 -> 48:50.440] but find Alpine more likeable.
[48:50.440 -> 48:51.200] No, he's not there.
[48:51.400 -> 48:55.800] Well, I think because now all those comments about, for example,
[48:55.800 -> 48:58.280] like that comment we talked about, we talked about it last pod,
[48:58.280 -> 49:01.680] but it was like, oh, Lance Stroll's World Championship material.
[49:01.680 -> 49:03.880] Well, he knows he's going to wipe the floor with Stroll.
[49:03.880 -> 49:06.920] So it's like, why don't I say he's a world champion to make me look better?
[49:07.080 -> 49:08.760] You're not going to get that anymore from Alpine.
[49:08.760 -> 49:12.480] You're going to get two very quick French drivers battling for points.
[49:12.480 -> 49:15.560] There's going to be a bromance, but it could be a frenemy relationship.
[49:15.760 -> 49:18.480] The team is a works team too.
[49:18.480 -> 49:19.400] That's what we're forgetting.
[49:19.400 -> 49:24.040] And I think the thing with them is since 2016, since Renault's poured in more money,
[49:24.040 -> 49:25.360] they've committed to F1, they're
[49:25.360 -> 49:30.200] trying to turn this team around. People actually kind of underrate the disappointment that
[49:30.200 -> 49:33.720] they've kind of been, you know, they should be a lot better than they've actually been
[49:33.720 -> 49:37.760] performing. I don't know how they haven't won more races, you know, they need to pour
[49:37.760 -> 49:40.080] more money into that operation and figure it out.
[49:40.080 -> 49:49.920] Well, I think you've hit the nail on the head there, which is I don't think that the mothership of that group of most motor car manufacturers was ever fully on board.
[49:49.920 -> 49:55.760] I feel like Abitable and his crew, Matt, were sitting there kind of going, well, in two
[49:55.760 -> 49:57.700] years, no, no, no, no, in five years.
[49:57.700 -> 49:58.940] And then it never...
[49:58.940 -> 50:06.680] I kind of think Abitable sold them a slight... sold them a bridge, a Formula One bridge.
[50:06.680 -> 50:12.560] And the reality is where they were with the resources they had, they had spent more than
[50:12.560 -> 50:17.120] a decade, that team, being nowhere near the front.
[50:17.120 -> 50:21.680] Yes, I know they were near the front in 2013, 14-ish.
[50:21.680 -> 50:25.120] So, when, when, when, yeah, yeah, they had a couple of good years when they were the 2013-14-ish solve. Right.
[50:26.080 -> 50:30.400] Yeah, yeah. They had a couple of good years when they were the only team, and I will point this out,
[50:30.400 -> 50:33.600] they were the only team that tested tires for Pirelli.
[50:34.320 -> 50:38.800] As soon as all the teams started testing tires for Pirelli, suddenly they were nowhere.
[50:39.520 -> 50:41.600] And they suffered from a lack of investment.
[50:41.600 -> 50:50.600] And you just don't recoup that in one year or two years or even five years. I feel like where they are now is a lot more
[50:50.600 -> 50:56.320] realistic from the Renault point of view which is they said our goal is to try
[50:56.320 -> 51:01.600] and claw back some of the gap between where we finished in fourth and the
[51:01.600 -> 51:06.960] third place team. They want to improve on their performance last season,
[51:07.920 -> 51:13.520] and they want to use all of the tools they have to their advantage to do that. That's a much more
[51:13.520 -> 51:20.480] realistic goal. And I think the Rino parentship will be happy with that, because their name isn't
[51:20.480 -> 51:27.920] on it directly. And so that makes it a bit more palatable, but they still gain the
[51:27.920 -> 51:33.680] marketing when they do do well. And they will do well. They are a good team, and I think they've
[51:33.680 -> 51:38.960] designed a good car. And the weight thing is very intriguing, because I think that's the big
[51:38.960 -> 51:46.560] advantage that Alfa Romeo had last season at the start. Remember when they did so well? They were the only team on the weight number
[51:46.560 -> 51:48.040] at the start of the season.
[51:48.040 -> 51:53.040] And so I think if Alpine was overweight as it was
[51:54.280 -> 51:55.880] and they are now underweight,
[51:55.880 -> 51:58.800] I think they've bought themselves a lot of performance.
[51:58.800 -> 52:00.120] Joost.
[52:00.120 -> 52:04.400] Yeah, I think Alpine will be probably one of the teams
[52:04.400 -> 52:08.640] most excited entering the testing
[52:08.640 -> 52:14.480] days because I think having Alonso there, it's no secret that he can be a bit of a divisive
[52:14.480 -> 52:33.020] persona. And I think now they have a driver team, like one, how do I say this?
[52:33.020 -> 52:39.500] Like all get behind one goal and go for it instead of, you know, trying to please one
[52:39.500 -> 52:43.820] and trying not to make Ocon explode, etc.
[52:43.820 -> 52:47.280] I am going to when Jules says divisive person,
[52:47.280 -> 52:51.760] he seems like a bit of a I'm just going to beep everything after that to make it sound
[52:51.760 -> 52:57.360] to sound it much better. But no, I see exactly what you're what you're saying there.
[52:57.360 -> 53:00.400] Jono, you're trying to get in mate. Sorry, we just lost you a little bit on the video.
[53:00.400 -> 53:06.320] Yeah, no, no, it all sorted now. But the thing with them is, I think since
[53:06.320 -> 53:10.200] the Renault has sort of come back and committed finances to that car, I think they finished
[53:10.200 -> 53:14.420] fourth behind the big three, which is, you know, Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull. They finished
[53:14.420 -> 53:19.680] fourth two years of however many seasons it's been, six, I think, or seven. Now, that's
[53:19.680 -> 53:23.280] very disappointing. And even last year, I don't even consider that fourth. I consider
[53:23.280 -> 53:29.040] that McLaren had one driver and Lando Norris and Ricciardo was very, very disappointing. And even last year, I didn't even consider that fourth. I consider that McLaren had one driver in Lando Norris and Ricciardo was very, very disappointing. You put any other,
[53:29.040 -> 53:34.080] like just a little bit of a better driver in that McLaren seat, they get fourth over Alpine.
[53:34.080 -> 53:39.440] So, they got to figure it out. For a works team now in a budget cap era, it's going to be amplified
[53:39.440 -> 53:44.320] even worse. These bottom teams are going to start catching up to you and you're going to look as
[53:44.320 -> 53:48.200] worse because you can't pour in as much money, you know, into things as you wanted
[53:48.200 -> 53:53.780] to. So, they have to figure out the situation there. And I had some stock bought into them
[53:53.780 -> 53:58.360] if you could buy stock, philosophical stock. Back in 2016 when Hulkenberg signed for them
[53:58.360 -> 54:02.480] and I'm like, why would you move from Force India at the time who were a top midfield
[54:02.480 -> 54:07.080] team to Renault who were struggling and I was like, oh, they might be really good here for the next few years.
[54:07.240 -> 54:08.880] Daniel Ricciardo, what a pickup.
[54:08.880 -> 54:12.480] And then I realised, well, now I've sold that stock many, many years ago, and I don't
[54:12.480 -> 54:13.560] know if I'll ever buy back.
[54:13.600 -> 54:16.640] And they invested heavily in Ricciardo as well, wasn't it?
[54:16.640 -> 54:19.880] 40 million was the rumoured price of his contract.
[54:19.880 -> 54:26.760] And that was, get a big name in, show ambition, show Renault, the company, that we are really
[54:26.760 -> 54:28.800] super serious about this.
[54:28.800 -> 54:30.080] Well, are they?
[54:30.080 -> 54:35.280] I think the good thing they're doing is this rebrand for their sports car company and everything
[54:35.280 -> 54:36.280] they're doing.
[54:36.280 -> 54:40.360] But if you want it to be better, if you want better marketing, start winning races, start
[54:40.360 -> 54:43.800] getting consistently on the podium, start doing stuff like that.
[54:43.800 -> 54:46.640] But they've won a race. They were on the podium.
[54:47.920 -> 54:51.280] They are the, you know, aside from Clarence, they're the only-
[54:51.280 -> 54:54.320] LIAM O'CONNOR O'Connor fought like a lion! What you on about not by merit?
[54:54.320 -> 54:55.040] LIAM Come on, everybody-
[54:55.040 -> 54:57.120] JUSTIN How are you saying that wasn't by merit?
[54:57.120 -> 55:00.320] LIAM O'CONNOR He fought off a four-time world champion,
[55:00.320 -> 55:00.640] you know.
[55:00.640 -> 55:01.760] JUSTIN Please explain, show your work.
[55:01.760 -> 55:07.840] LIAM Well, Bottas bowled out the entire field into turn one, so that's probably contributed to
[55:07.840 -> 55:08.840] it.
[55:08.840 -> 55:12.520] Okon drove well, superbly, I'm not gonna count him out, but same with Gasly's win.
[55:12.520 -> 55:14.280] Terrific win, but down to luck.
[55:14.280 -> 55:16.200] I think we don't talk about enough.
[55:16.200 -> 55:22.160] Maybe like maybe once a show we should just play a clip of Bottas just skittling the entire
[55:22.160 -> 55:23.160] front row.
[55:23.160 -> 55:24.680] Because it was a thing of beauty, yes.
[55:24.680 -> 55:28.800] You have to go back to Grosjean 2013 in Spa.
[55:28.800 -> 55:30.000] Was it 2013 in Spa?
[55:30.000 -> 55:30.800] 2012.
[55:30.800 -> 55:38.000] 2012. You have to go back to that to find like a bigger lap one, turn one snafu.
[55:39.000 -> 55:41.800] Okay, I think that just about concludes Alpine.
[55:41.800 -> 55:51.920] Let's have a bit of a quicker look further down the grid.
[55:51.920 -> 55:58.080] Jono touched on McLaren. Of course, it's going to be Lando Norris versus Piastri. And I say
[55:58.080 -> 56:02.600] versus, I know they're teammates, but I think these are two drivers who have quite a lot
[56:02.600 -> 56:09.120] at stake. Lando Norris' reputation at the moment outstrips his career because
[56:09.560 -> 56:17.160] everyone else in his big crop has had that that opportunity up at the front, has had the chance to fight Verstappen, Albon,
[56:18.120 -> 56:25.600] Russell, they've all been up there fighting. His teammate Sainz is there fighting for wins and could potentially have a championship winning car.
[56:25.600 -> 56:32.000] Of that crop, of that great talented F2 crop that George Russell won the championship from,
[56:32.000 -> 56:37.680] Blando Norris is the one that is the only one not to have won a race, I believe, out of all that lot,
[56:37.680 -> 56:46.600] and the only one that you can say hasn't had a legitimate chance in a top team to really show what he can do. Now right now he looks
[56:46.600 -> 56:52.260] like a legend. He vanquished Ricciardo. There's a lot on the line. If Piastri is looking good
[56:52.260 -> 56:57.600] against him, that is going to diminish his stock if we look mid-season and Piastri is
[56:57.600 -> 57:07.520] making him look beatable. He has an absolute opportunity though to crush yet another teammate and look like an F1 god in the making.
[57:07.520 -> 57:13.060] And in fact, if he goes and just crushes Piastri this season and next and doesn't get a top
[57:13.060 -> 57:20.040] drive, will we be able to look at F1 history over the last 20-30 years and say, is there
[57:20.040 -> 57:25.000] a driver that was in F1 for so long without ever really getting a chance to show what
[57:25.000 -> 57:28.560] they could do despite delivering.
[57:28.560 -> 57:32.400] It's an interesting one for Landon Norris and this is the next step on his legacy.
[57:32.400 -> 57:36.300] Piastri has an absolute David and Goliath opportunity.
[57:36.300 -> 57:42.080] He has just got to play nice, swing that slingshot around his head and he could bring down a
[57:42.080 -> 57:43.680] giant.
[57:43.680 -> 57:46.080] Which way is it going to go Jules? What are you thinking?
[57:46.880 -> 57:56.560] I must say I worry a bit for McLaren. They have Bar Williams and Al Fatahri,
[57:57.760 -> 58:10.240] the most inexperienced driver lineup of the field. Landon Norris is still to get his 100th start.
[58:10.240 -> 58:18.480] So if the car didn't improve the way he said the car needed to improve at their launch
[58:18.480 -> 58:30.960] because he said they were pushing a lot of buttons to fix the faults they had in their design.
[58:30.960 -> 58:35.600] They were pretty elementary faults, as he said.
[58:36.240 -> 58:43.040] And if they did not manage to do that, and the car is tricky as it was last year,
[58:43.040 -> 58:47.840] and you have Piastri as a debutante, I fear for them.
[58:47.840 -> 58:55.200] They could be in Aston Martin and Alfa Romeo land, struggling to impress.
[58:56.080 -> 59:00.240] Yeah. And look, part of that as well, I like how Spanners, you spun that as well,
[59:00.240 -> 59:10.800] because I always thought it was pressure on Piastri, but now the way I think about it, I go, what if there is a chance that Piastri's as good as, you know, I think he's a quality junior
[59:10.800 -> 59:13.520] talent, you know, and I'm not just saying everyone's going to go, oh, you're Australian
[59:13.520 -> 59:17.840] and blah, blah, blah. It's like, no, no, no, it's obvious he's a quality, you know, junior talent
[59:17.840 -> 59:22.800] himself, but then to chuck him in the McLaren, I would have rather have put him in his rookie season
[59:22.800 -> 59:27.680] in the Alpine, but we'll see how that goes for Mark Webber and Oscar and figuring that out.
[59:27.680 -> 59:31.360] But I know there that's Norris' best chance.
[59:31.360 -> 59:33.000] And I said this in the season review pod.
[59:33.000 -> 59:38.160] I said, look, Norris' best chance was to win a championship with McLaren.
[59:38.160 -> 59:39.360] You don't want to go to a top team.
[59:39.360 -> 59:41.520] You want to make your own team and be a number one.
[59:41.520 -> 59:44.040] And he's got to try and figure out how it works.
[59:44.040 -> 59:47.800] But I know Trump, obviously, there's some fundamental issues with that team over the last few years
[59:47.800 -> 59:48.800] as well.
[59:48.800 -> 59:52.720] Jules, jump in quickly, then we'll get to Matt. I know he's got a longer point. So Jules,
[59:52.720 -> 59:57.760] get a word in edgeways, because I saw Trumpets do a deep breath. He's going to be there a
[59:57.760 -> 59:58.760] while.
[59:58.760 -> 01:00:07.520] You know, like Jono says, there's a lot of expectation on Piastri, but he's yet to make his race debut. And, you know, we all know
[01:00:07.520 -> 01:00:14.160] how difficult a car the McLaren was last year. I mean, Ricciardo didn't manage to drive it at all.
[01:00:14.160 -> 01:00:22.560] And even Norris, he had his ups and downs weekend. So if they don't nail it, I fear all the work
[01:00:22.560 -> 01:00:25.840] that's gone into that team the last couple of years to get back to where
[01:00:25.840 -> 01:00:29.960] they kind of belong, they might go down the drain.
[01:00:29.960 -> 01:00:35.600] Well, I think the quote you were looking for, Jules, was from Norris and said, I believe
[01:00:35.600 -> 01:00:40.440] for us to start taking the biggest steps, we needed to try and change some more fundamental
[01:00:40.440 -> 01:00:41.440] things.
[01:00:41.440 -> 01:00:45.320] Some things that I think as a team we've struggled with for the past three or four years
[01:00:45.320 -> 01:00:53.560] that I have been part of McLaren. And who is not there now? Andrea Seidel. Will they be able to
[01:00:53.560 -> 01:01:00.040] fix these problems? I don't know. And if you look at how much Ricardo struggled with that car,
[01:01:00.040 -> 01:01:10.000] to the bafflement of both him and the team because I'm gonna fair play to I think both of them made a real effort because why would they not given the
[01:01:10.000 -> 01:01:14.280] battle they were having with Alpine both of them made a real effort to make that
[01:01:14.280 -> 01:01:19.760] car drivable for him they could not do it so you have a car that Norris has
[01:01:19.760 -> 01:01:26.280] learned how to drive from being a baby and can extract every last bit of performance
[01:01:26.280 -> 01:01:34.120] from. You have McLaren with really good strategy most of the time, putting him on maximum points.
[01:01:34.120 -> 01:01:40.240] But if I'm Piastri, as good as I am, I am a little worried about getting a car that's
[01:01:40.240 -> 01:01:46.160] going to be super funky to drive at a team that, okay, I'm going to be polite,
[01:01:46.160 -> 01:01:50.160] doesn't have the best reputation when it comes to brand new drivers.
[01:01:50.160 -> 01:01:55.480] Well, except for 2007 with Lewis Hamilton, but that's going way, way far back in the
[01:01:55.480 -> 01:01:56.480] archives.
[01:01:56.480 -> 01:02:00.120] What's making it worse, and where I agree with Trumpets is the lack of testing now.
[01:02:00.120 -> 01:02:04.520] You've got, what, three days, four days of pre-season testing, not even, and Piastri's
[01:02:04.520 -> 01:02:06.680] not even going to be in the car for every day.
[01:02:06.920 -> 01:02:08.920] We saw what happened last year with Sebastian Vettel.
[01:02:08.920 -> 01:02:12.240] He had COVID, he missed a couple of rounds, struggled throughout testing.
[01:02:12.240 -> 01:02:15.560] And it took him like three, four rounds to just look competitive.
[01:02:15.560 -> 01:02:18.560] And then he came out with some brilliance after that, Sebastian Vettel.
[01:02:18.840 -> 01:02:20.360] And Piastri is a rookie.
[01:02:20.360 -> 01:02:24.040] And we saw a lot of the rookies struggling last year, a lot of the new drivers
[01:02:24.040 -> 01:02:25.840] who went to new teams struggling. And that's where Piastri, look, maybe we give him the lot of the rookie struggling last year, a lot of the new drivers who went to new teams struggling.
[01:02:25.840 -> 01:02:30.080] And that's where Piastri, look, maybe we give him the benefit of the doubt for the first few rounds,
[01:02:30.080 -> 01:02:34.480] because Norris is by far the favourite for the first few rounds to take care of him,
[01:02:34.480 -> 01:02:38.000] but it's towards the end of the year, where's the improvement Oscar shows?
[01:02:38.000 -> 01:02:40.800] I think that's where you can start to make a fair comparison.
[01:02:40.800 -> 01:02:47.120] Matt, I think we covered the Red Bull launch last season, last week, the...
[01:02:48.080 -> 01:02:53.680] No? Yeah, you mean last year's car in New York with delivery and then basically no pictures from
[01:02:53.680 -> 01:02:57.920] them driving on track and so nobody knows really anything about what they're up to?
[01:02:57.920 -> 01:02:59.360] Yeah, and also... Yeah, that's pretty much it.
[01:02:59.360 -> 01:03:04.320] They're the champs, you know, so they're everyone, the expectation on them is to kind of roll out
[01:03:04.320 -> 01:03:05.400] much as before.
[01:03:05.400 -> 01:03:09.520] They've got a good philosophy, they've got a proven driver lineup, they've got a proven
[01:03:09.520 -> 01:03:10.520] champion.
[01:03:10.520 -> 01:03:14.800] They just have to roll out the blocks and it's everyone else's problem to catch them.
[01:03:14.800 -> 01:03:21.040] So in a way, there's kind of less intrigue about the Red Bull package than the contenders.
[01:03:21.040 -> 01:03:23.960] The only intriguing thing is their cooling.
[01:03:23.960 -> 01:03:32.120] They're one of the only teams to still do air-to-air cooling and Craig Scarborough, Scarbs on Twitter, had
[01:03:32.120 -> 01:03:39.320] a tweet suggesting that, you know, maybe they might have changed that. But then
[01:03:39.320 -> 01:03:42.820] I've seen other sources say that because of their power unit design they couldn't.
[01:03:42.820 -> 01:03:49.720] So I don't know the reality of it. But as I said, 23 minus 19 days to testing, we will probably find
[01:03:49.720 -> 01:03:50.720] out for reals.
[01:03:50.720 -> 01:03:55.560] But, okay, so there's, out of the would-be teams that we're looking to step forward,
[01:03:55.560 -> 01:04:01.360] like, there is every chance that McLaren, Alpine, and Aston Martin come out of the blocks
[01:04:01.360 -> 01:04:03.440] and remain very, very midfield.
[01:04:03.440 -> 01:04:08.160] The chances of one of them really striking forward and breaking into the top three, which
[01:04:08.160 -> 01:04:10.600] would be sensational, is low.
[01:04:10.600 -> 01:04:16.500] The chances of the two contenders from last season, the wannabes from last season, Mercedes
[01:04:16.500 -> 01:04:23.060] and Ferrari, taking a step up and being championship contenders is slightly higher, but it's still
[01:04:23.060 -> 01:04:29.800] kind of, well, it's less than a coin flip whether Mercedes and Ferrari will overcome the problems they had from last season
[01:04:30.320 -> 01:04:37.120] With Red Bull though Matt that if you're looking to go well, which way will it go the overwhelming bet the overwhelming?
[01:04:37.760 -> 01:04:43.200] Odds bet that you would make is that they will come out at least as competitive as they were last season
[01:04:43.200 -> 01:04:45.040] They aren't going to fluff from
[01:04:45.040 -> 01:04:49.760] here in an evolution. It's very unlikely they will have gone, you know what, last season's
[01:04:49.760 -> 01:04:56.080] car was great, what we've decided to do is add three extra wheels and see how that goes.
[01:04:56.080 -> 01:04:59.520] There's not that level of kind of drop-off going to come from Red Bull.
[01:04:59.520 -> 01:05:08.520] Well, ask Tyrrell, it might actually go better for you. It might do. No, I'm going to say that Red Bull could basically show up at the last season's end-of-season
[01:05:08.520 -> 01:05:17.400] car and probably be competitive for wins at the start of the season based on that.
[01:05:17.400 -> 01:05:25.280] Ferrari is the closest to them, I think, overall, if they've sorted their power unit issues
[01:05:25.280 -> 01:05:30.680] and they are the ones who will make a they're the ones who will make a
[01:05:30.680 -> 01:05:35.600] contest out of it. Mercedes was behind. They will be hoping to be closer and
[01:05:35.600 -> 01:05:41.160] competitive for wins in more races than last season at the start of this season.
[01:05:41.160 -> 01:05:47.360] Alpine wants to close the gap to whoever's third. They might be able to do that
[01:05:47.360 -> 01:05:51.440] over the course of a whole season. Their development last year was pretty spectacular,
[01:05:51.440 -> 01:05:56.240] and they made it clear they expect to have to repeat that performance in order to stay
[01:05:56.240 -> 01:06:02.240] where they were. But it's hard, because each season, all the teams add performance.
[01:06:03.280 -> 01:06:06.800] They get faster, they get better, they improve their design. So
[01:06:06.800 -> 01:06:13.200] if you were behind last season, you have to match your competitors' improvement and then do more
[01:06:13.200 -> 01:06:18.200] than. And that's what we're looking for. Do you remember 2014 when Mercedes got out of the blocks
[01:06:18.200 -> 01:06:23.120] and then all the teams looked at what Mercedes were doing and then in 2015 we're still nowhere
[01:06:23.120 -> 01:06:29.920] near and then two years later in 2016 we're still nowhere near and then one team had a blip of a slight challenge
[01:06:29.920 -> 01:06:35.300] for a couple of years but didn't get close enough then allegedly cheated
[01:06:35.300 -> 01:06:38.980] pushed the regulations and got completely unnerved allowing Mercedes
[01:06:38.980 -> 01:06:43.720] to then win in 2020 nearly unchallenged as well. So do you know what I mean? Like
[01:06:43.720 -> 01:06:48.960] Mercedes, Red Bull have got to be careful because if they take their eye off the ball, in four or five
[01:06:48.960 -> 01:06:55.040] years someone could sneak up in there and really get them. No, if you were a Red Bull
[01:06:55.040 -> 01:06:59.440] fan right now, I'd be pretty confident that you're going to come out of the gate swinging.
[01:06:59.440 -> 01:07:02.600] And if you're a Verstappen fan, you're going to come out of the gate pretty confident that
[01:07:02.600 -> 01:07:05.360] he's going to still be on top of
[01:07:11.680 -> 01:07:16.000] Sergio Perez and I think your countrymen, Jules, will be reasonably satisfied with that. I certainly expect they're going to come out of the blocks. Out of the first five or six races, there's going
[01:07:16.000 -> 01:07:29.680] to be three or four Verstappen wins. Yeah, I expect so too. There's no real reason to think otherwise. I think last season they proved to pretty much have no weak spots after they
[01:07:30.000 -> 01:07:32.960] they turned their car on after a couple of races.
[01:07:33.360 -> 01:07:36.720] And I think as far as Max Verstappen goes,
[01:07:39.480 -> 01:07:43.520] he doesn't seem to have any flaws,
[01:07:43.760 -> 01:07:47.520] despite maybe driver ethics. Let's not go there. But you
[01:07:47.520 -> 01:07:53.040] know, there's been a couple of moments in his career where we said like, yeah, but can
[01:07:53.040 -> 01:08:02.160] he win races if he's in a title battle instead of like every race win is a nice bonus. And
[01:08:02.160 -> 01:08:05.800] then Red Bull became title contenders and he won races then.
[01:08:05.800 -> 01:08:09.720] And then we went like, can he stay mentally stable
[01:08:09.720 -> 01:08:11.880] when he's in actual title fight?
[01:08:11.880 -> 01:08:12.960] And he did.
[01:08:12.960 -> 01:08:16.640] And then we went from, well, will he be motivated
[01:08:16.640 -> 01:08:19.200] after winning his first WDC?
[01:08:19.200 -> 01:08:20.120] Can he go for second?
[01:08:20.120 -> 01:08:23.360] And then he did that in an absolute flawless manner.
[01:08:23.360 -> 01:08:30.960] So the man is a machine and if Red Bull provide him, we know it's going to be very, very difficult
[01:08:30.960 -> 01:08:31.960] for the others.
[01:08:31.960 -> 01:08:36.400] What about that one time in Hungary where he made a slight error but was so far ahead
[01:08:36.400 -> 01:08:37.400] that it didn't matter?
[01:08:37.400 -> 01:08:38.760] What about that Jules?
[01:08:38.760 -> 01:08:40.840] How about that for a chink in the armor?
[01:08:40.840 -> 01:08:43.000] Yeah, okay.
[01:08:43.000 -> 01:08:48.000] That may be something to cling on to. But yes, he's certainly he's
[01:08:48.000 -> 01:08:53.700] got an opportunity that not every Formula One driver has, which is to build a real legacy,
[01:08:53.700 -> 01:08:58.040] to put himself in the history books. So, you know, Verstappen's name is already well up
[01:08:58.040 -> 01:09:08.080] there, but it could easily, it could easily, it could very conceivably now join Senna, Prost, Fangio, Hamilton, Schumacher.
[01:09:08.080 -> 01:09:11.760] Like that is, that's a very distinct possibility now.
[01:09:11.760 -> 01:09:19.280] He could, and I think maybe if he drives like he did last season, it will elevate him, his
[01:09:19.280 -> 01:09:29.440] name, the way he's perceived by a certain part of the Antoine fan base to another level and he would do himself a big favor I think.
[01:09:29.440 -> 01:09:35.920] Oh I see, so if he drove how he drove against Leclerc and perhaps not how he did against Hamilton,
[01:09:35.920 -> 01:09:42.480] if there's another three or four titles that are won with a different racing style, he's a bit
[01:09:43.840 -> 01:09:48.240] calmer, more mature with his responses and the press side of
[01:09:48.240 -> 01:09:53.200] that to kind of win hearts and minds. Not that he has to win hearts and minds, but I think,
[01:09:53.200 -> 01:09:59.440] yeah, you're right. If he won hearts and minds driving on and off track and another three titles,
[01:10:00.160 -> 01:10:04.000] that legacy will also be a lot warmer to a wider fan base.
[01:10:04.320 -> 01:10:12.640] that legacy will also be a lot warmer to a wider fan base. Yeah, because I think he was much better received last season for his driving against Leclerc.
[01:10:12.640 -> 01:10:21.920] The only thing that I'm curious about when it comes to Red Bull is, you remember Sergio Perez,
[01:10:22.480 -> 01:10:26.720] he had a couple of remarks a couple of weeks back where he
[01:10:26.720 -> 01:10:33.880] kind of stated like, yeah, I'm gonna go and try and go for the title as well.
[01:10:33.880 -> 01:10:36.680] And everybody went a bit like, oh, yeah, okay.
[01:10:36.680 -> 01:10:44.800] And but it made me think about, you know, the dynamic between them from Brazil on, where
[01:10:44.800 -> 01:10:47.040] it became so clear from both of them how they
[01:10:47.040 -> 01:10:54.720] really felt about each other. So imagine if it's true that Perez managed somehow to get this car
[01:10:54.720 -> 01:11:03.200] a bit more built towards his preferences. What would happen within that team if he could really
[01:11:03.200 -> 01:11:07.360] start laying it into, laying it to stop him?
[01:11:07.360 -> 01:11:13.600] I'm a Perez fan, I am a Perez fan, but I will say there's big echoes here towards what Bottas
[01:11:13.600 -> 01:11:18.960] was doing and his approach to new seasons. Bottas was always there like, yeah, I'm here
[01:11:18.960 -> 01:11:24.440] to win. And he's a great driver. And I think Perez is a great driver. That wasn't the environment
[01:11:24.440 -> 01:11:28.480] for him to beat Hamilton. I don't think this is the environment for him to beat Perez.
[01:11:29.120 -> 01:11:30.400] I'm sorry, for him to beat Verstappen.
[01:11:31.120 -> 01:11:37.440] I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but I would say right now, if Red Bull went 75%
[01:11:37.440 -> 01:11:41.280] of the way to where Perez wanted it, I think Verstappen would still spank him.
[01:11:43.040 -> 01:11:48.880] He benefited massively from the fact Red Bull was so far over the weight limit
[01:11:48.880 -> 01:11:55.760] they could not get that car to drive the way they anticipated early season. And as soon as they solve
[01:11:55.760 -> 01:12:05.680] that weight problem Verstappen was just gone. Perez could not touch him. And I think that unless they have another weight problem, which if anything,
[01:12:06.480 -> 01:12:12.800] if the cooling thing plays out, if anything, it's going to just go more and more in Max's favor.
[01:12:12.800 -> 01:12:13.280] Yeah, I agree.
[01:12:13.280 -> 01:12:17.040] The lighter the car is, the more ballast they have, the more, I mean, they can make it better
[01:12:17.040 -> 01:12:22.320] for Perez to drive, but I think Perez at his maximum does not beat First Appen at his maximum,
[01:12:22.320 -> 01:12:26.280] and it just gives him more flexibility to get more points off the other competitors.
[01:12:26.280 -> 01:12:27.840] What's that sound I can hear?
[01:12:27.840 -> 01:12:31.440] Oh, it's YouTube comments manifesting themselves.
[01:12:31.440 -> 01:12:36.320] When I talk about the approach Verstappen takes and winning hearts and minds,
[01:12:36.320 -> 01:12:40.400] we had exactly the same thing with Lewis Hamilton after his first world championship.
[01:12:40.400 -> 01:12:45.600] And then he went on a four-year campaign to hit as many Felipe Massas as he could
[01:12:45.600 -> 01:12:52.200] and he was very aggressive and very snarky and very cocky in interviews and
[01:12:52.200 -> 01:12:56.160] and it was him against the world and he was back against the wall.
[01:12:56.160 -> 01:13:01.480] He would accuse the stewards of targeting him which I think there was one season
[01:13:01.480 -> 01:13:06.360] where I definitely got that feeling as well. But also he was getting himself into those situations.
[01:13:06.360 -> 01:13:08.080] He was really aggressive.
[01:13:08.080 -> 01:13:15.000] And as a Hamilton fan, I kind of feel when there's anti-Hamilton comments on social media,
[01:13:15.000 -> 01:13:19.320] a lot of these are directed at the 2009 Hamilton.
[01:13:19.320 -> 01:13:22.680] And I kind of want to say to everyone, look at his record on the radio.
[01:13:22.680 -> 01:13:26.080] Look how calmly he responds to things he's not happy with.
[01:13:26.080 -> 01:13:28.520] And he's still like, he'll go on the team radio and go,
[01:13:28.520 -> 01:13:31.960] hey guys, I'm not sure that was like an optimal situation.
[01:13:31.960 -> 01:13:33.040] And there'll be headlines,
[01:13:33.040 -> 01:13:35.880] Hamilton loses his rag in Monaco.
[01:13:35.880 -> 01:13:38.160] But I still feel there's an echo
[01:13:38.160 -> 01:13:40.600] of when he kind of got people's backs up early on
[01:13:40.600 -> 01:13:42.640] in his career.
[01:13:42.640 -> 01:13:45.280] But I think that's probably similar the other way around. So I'm
[01:13:45.280 -> 01:13:50.320] not sitting here saying that Verstappen is particularly different for a young talented
[01:13:50.320 -> 01:13:55.840] world champion. We have definitely seen this before. It would be very interesting to see if he
[01:13:56.400 -> 01:14:00.880] you know mellows into the vision that Jules Sager's laid out.
[01:14:26.560 -> 01:14:28.600] laid out. I also want to talk to Jonathan Simon, who you can follow by searching for Johnny S Trigger Nitro on Twitter.
[01:14:28.600 -> 01:14:29.600] What is your-
[01:14:29.600 -> 01:14:30.600] No.
[01:14:30.600 -> 01:14:32.360] That's just because of the shirt today.
[01:14:32.360 -> 01:14:33.360] It's not like a GI Joe.
[01:14:33.360 -> 01:14:34.360] Yeah, you've got like a GI Joe.
[01:14:34.360 -> 01:14:35.360] You've got a gold chain.
[01:14:35.360 -> 01:14:36.360] Why have you hidden the gold chain?
[01:14:36.360 -> 01:14:37.360] Get it out.
[01:14:37.360 -> 01:14:38.360] Come on, if that's your personality.
[01:14:38.360 -> 01:14:39.680] If I can get the swag around, why not?
[01:14:39.680 -> 01:14:41.800] If that's your personality, you earn that bling.
[01:14:41.800 -> 01:14:42.800] So yeah.
[01:14:42.800 -> 01:14:44.800] Yeah, Hamilton's inspired me a little bit for this podcast.
[01:14:44.800 -> 01:14:49.360] He likes some jewellery. Yeah. And I wish I was wearing three watches like him or whatever
[01:14:49.360 -> 01:14:53.680] he wore at that press conference last year. So where can we follow you online? Even you
[01:14:53.680 -> 01:14:59.040] don't want to tell us your Twitter handle. It's bad. I'm going to pressure you into changing it.
[01:15:00.400 -> 01:15:04.320] I'm not going to get too personal, but I have a to-do list. And for six months,
[01:15:04.320 -> 01:15:05.200] the thing I haven't deleted has been changed my social handles, but I have a to-do list and for six months, the thing
[01:15:05.200 -> 01:15:10.040] I haven't deleted has been changed my social handles, which I just can't find any other
[01:15:10.040 -> 01:15:12.840] good one because everyone's taken every iteration of my name.
[01:15:12.840 -> 01:15:15.360] We'll make it easy.
[01:15:15.360 -> 01:15:16.360] Don't listen to what Jono's about to say.
[01:15:16.360 -> 01:15:17.360] It's a waste of time.
[01:15:17.360 -> 01:15:19.600] There's going to be a link in the show notes below.
[01:15:19.600 -> 01:15:22.600] You just click that and you find Jono's social media.
[01:15:22.600 -> 01:15:26.240] Jono, you are doing amazing things. I have loved
[01:15:26.240 -> 01:15:32.720] seeing you on Australian television, doing that whole journalist thing. We are here with
[01:15:32.720 -> 01:15:38.880] a gang of 17 kangaroos fighting 14 frogs. It's really close. And I just don't know how
[01:15:38.880 -> 01:15:44.040] this is going to turn out. Back to the studio. And you're great at it. You really are born
[01:15:44.040 -> 01:15:48.120] to do it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yes, I'm up in Cairns. I've had to move to
[01:15:48.120 -> 01:15:51.480] the complete other side of the country. Don't worry, I'll be back from Melbourne for the
[01:15:51.480 -> 01:15:55.400] Grand Prix. I'm flying back home, which will be nice. But yeah, doing sports reporting
[01:15:55.400 -> 01:15:59.400] with a company called Seven News. It's like the most watched news in Australia. So it's
[01:15:59.400 -> 01:16:00.400] pretty good. Nice.
[01:16:00.400 -> 01:16:04.200] Covering the Cairns Taipans, a lot of basketball. They just lost yesterday, so their season's
[01:16:04.200 -> 01:16:09.280] over. But yeah, it's been good fun so far. But, you know, Melbourne, I miss Melbourne. Can't wait
[01:16:09.280 -> 01:16:11.040] to go back. Well, we're running out of time,
[01:16:11.040 -> 01:16:14.720] Jono, so I want you to make this a quickie. Tell us about fuel.
[01:16:15.920 -> 01:16:22.080] Yeah, so look, there was a topic that came out about F1's sustainable fuel challenge, and
[01:16:22.880 -> 01:16:27.400] it's an interesting, very, very interesting topic because the world is going in one
[01:16:27.400 -> 01:16:29.840] direction where they're banning petrol and diesel cars and
[01:16:29.840 -> 01:16:32.960] Formula One and particularly Stefano Domenicali has said,
[01:16:32.960 -> 01:16:36.640] look, we're not going to virtue signal for the sake of virtue
[01:16:36.640 -> 01:16:39.720] signaling by going electric just to please everybody. We're going
[01:16:39.720 -> 01:16:42.920] to go in the sustainable fuel direction. But I think, you
[01:16:42.920 -> 01:16:46.240] know, I don't see F1 going electric before 2030.
[01:16:46.560 -> 01:16:51.640] And for them to commit to this sustainable fuel battle and how it's a big challenge,
[01:16:52.120 -> 01:16:57.080] then at the end of the day, how do you actually make this sort of sustainable for
[01:16:57.080 -> 01:17:02.680] society? Because it opens up a broader topic of F1's always sort of innovated for
[01:17:02.680 -> 01:17:06.400] cars 10 years before things end up on cars, on road
[01:17:06.400 -> 01:17:07.400] vehicles.
[01:17:07.400 -> 01:17:13.120] Now, if you're going for sustainable fuels and it's 2030, a lot of cars by 2035 will
[01:17:13.120 -> 01:17:18.000] not be running sustainable fuels, especially in the EU, as far as I'm aware, and a few
[01:17:18.000 -> 01:17:20.040] other countries have banned them later.
[01:17:20.040 -> 01:17:24.280] So, that's me without a breath trying to explain that whole topic.
[01:17:24.280 -> 01:17:28.520] It's, yeah, unravel that ball of string trumpets because that's a tough one.
[01:17:28.520 -> 01:17:34.400] Well, it is a tough one, but what you need to understand is that F1 is only part of the
[01:17:34.400 -> 01:17:38.080] FIA's overall strategy here.
[01:17:38.080 -> 01:17:43.680] And what you look at is what is the average shelf life of a car?
[01:17:43.680 -> 01:17:46.360] I mean, you know, my last car I had for
[01:17:46.360 -> 01:17:53.000] 20 plus years. So 20 years from now, that's what? 2043. You're gonna have
[01:17:53.000 -> 01:17:59.440] plenty of cars running on petrol, gas for us Americans, and diesel, which I think is
[01:17:59.440 -> 01:18:07.400] the same no matter where you go. And if you can come up with a sustainable alternative that reduces
[01:18:07.400 -> 01:18:12.540] the amount of carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, and other things being pumped out into the
[01:18:12.540 -> 01:18:19.320] atmosphere, then you are doing the world a favor, because those cars aren't going to
[01:18:19.320 -> 01:18:24.420] go away. We're not going to wake up tomorrow with a perfect public transit system, so,
[01:18:24.420 -> 01:18:25.920] and a perfectly designed city
[01:18:25.920 -> 01:18:28.880] so everyone could walk to their groceries, walk to their local,
[01:18:29.280 -> 01:18:34.500] walk to their this, walk to their that, and only get on a train or plane if they want to go super duper long distances.
[01:18:35.120 -> 01:18:37.120] That's not going to happen.
[01:18:37.200 -> 01:18:40.320] In the real world, if we have sustainable fuels,
[01:18:41.120 -> 01:18:44.800] and if those sustainable fuels aren't made out of food that people eat,
[01:18:46.040 -> 01:18:51.860] fuels, and if those sustainable fuels aren't made out of food that people eat, then we can do, we can make a very big dent in the transportation sector.
[01:18:51.860 -> 01:18:58.840] Just want to put it out there, WECC has been running 100% sustainable fuels, 65% reduction
[01:18:58.840 -> 01:19:06.440] in greenhouse gases being put out. Repsol I know has delivered to MotoGP their first
[01:19:06.440 -> 01:19:13.120] samples for their clients. And F1 has been chosen to be because the
[01:19:13.120 -> 01:19:19.400] internal combustion power unit is central to this sport. It's chosen to be the
[01:19:19.400 -> 01:19:28.720] laboratory for the fuel suppliers to Formula One to get them working on that problem so that we have a
[01:19:28.720 -> 01:19:36.680] sustainable solution that scales up to society level, not just Formula One level.
[01:19:36.680 -> 01:19:42.320] Yeah, I think that the license for Formula E, for their exclusivity or whatever it is,
[01:19:42.320 -> 01:19:45.120] to run electric is what, to like 2030, 2035. I
[01:19:45.120 -> 01:19:51.360] can't remember the year. I don't know if it was extended, but anyway, the point is, is that what
[01:19:51.360 -> 01:19:57.760] do F1 consider for the future? Because the way I always saw Formula 1 was, oh, look at KERS in 2009
[01:19:57.760 -> 01:20:02.080] when it was raced. And they were testing that as early as a year or two or a couple of years before
[01:20:02.080 -> 01:20:08.240] that. And it's like that concept was great. Now it's made its way onto real cars, you know, and about five, ten years later.
[01:20:08.640 -> 01:20:12.280] So they need to pick up a way that this sport can also still be relatable
[01:20:12.280 -> 01:20:15.960] to the motoring world, you know, that appeals to people at the same time.
[01:20:15.960 -> 01:20:16.760] Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[01:20:16.760 -> 01:20:18.680] Your accent needs some clarification there.
[01:20:19.240 -> 01:20:21.080] What world appeal to the which world?
[01:20:22.280 -> 01:20:23.200] Motoring world.
[01:20:23.200 -> 01:20:25.360] You genuinely said murdering world, so I
[01:20:25.360 -> 01:20:28.840] don't know if that's your accent, or you're just thinking about murder right now.
[01:20:28.840 -> 01:20:31.240] JUSTIN I'm gonna go to the instant replay on that
[01:20:31.240 -> 01:20:33.400] after this podcast, just to make sure.
[01:20:33.400 -> 01:20:34.400] If I did, I...
[01:20:34.400 -> 01:20:36.400] Nah, there's no way I said that!
[01:20:36.400 -> 01:20:37.400] Anyway.
[01:20:37.400 -> 01:20:38.400] ALICE You definitely did.
[01:20:38.400 -> 01:20:40.160] JUSTIN The point, just to wrap it up, because I
[01:20:40.160 -> 01:20:44.280] think this topic deserves, like, three podcasts in a row, like, it's just too long to unpack.
[01:20:44.280 -> 01:20:45.520] ALICE We can do a special segment.
[01:20:45.520 -> 01:20:45.800] Yeah.
[01:20:46.120 -> 01:20:46.600] Yeah.
[01:20:46.600 -> 01:20:52.600] But the whole point is, you know, F1 put this article out there or whatever, or Motorsport.com
[01:20:52.600 -> 01:20:56.640] saying, look, they talked about the sustainable fuel going on, and it just raised this sort of
[01:20:56.640 -> 01:21:00.680] argument. Okay, like, where does F1 become the innovator now for cars?
[01:21:00.680 -> 01:21:10.720] You know, if they do find sustainable fuels like WEC is and like these other sort of motorsport categories are, now how do you make that accessible to me to go to the
[01:21:10.720 -> 01:21:16.480] petrol station where I put in petrol or diesel and then put in, oh, sustainable fuel pump into my car,
[01:21:16.480 -> 01:21:20.960] like, can that be accessible? Like, I don't know. Can I take two seconds and answer that?
[01:21:21.840 -> 01:21:27.920] Yes. That is the entire point of this, because your car will have an
[01:21:27.920 -> 01:21:35.120] internal combustion engine if you're still going to a petrol pump, and so does F1. And already we're
[01:21:35.120 -> 01:21:42.560] getting interviews with the chemists and the people running this, that they're learning a lot
[01:21:42.560 -> 01:21:45.800] about how ethanol, which is essentially what we're talking
[01:21:45.800 -> 01:21:51.560] about here, interacts with the traditional internal combustion engine model, and they're
[01:21:51.560 -> 01:21:57.180] understanding how to modify it so that you will get the same performance, but you will
[01:21:57.180 -> 01:22:07.040] no longer be burning a substance that has to be pumped from under the ground and releases extra carbon into our environment. It'll be
[01:22:07.040 -> 01:22:13.720] part of a circular ecology where everything that you're burning was grown above ground
[01:22:13.720 -> 01:22:18.880] by sucking carbon out of that atmosphere to start with. So I think that's where Formula
[01:22:18.880 -> 01:22:27.680] One sees itself right now as sort of an innovative laboratory for solving this particular part of the overall
[01:22:27.680 -> 01:22:29.640] larger problem.
[01:22:29.640 -> 01:22:32.520] I want to save the planet.
[01:22:32.520 -> 01:22:36.740] It's the only planet that has blur records.
[01:22:36.740 -> 01:22:39.920] It's the only planet that has chocolate and IPA.
[01:22:39.920 -> 01:22:41.760] So I'm all in favor of saving the earth.
[01:22:41.760 -> 01:22:43.160] But I don't know.
[01:22:43.160 -> 01:22:52.440] We don't hear a lot of conversations about sustainable horse riding. We don't agonize over what we feed the horses before a dressage
[01:22:52.440 -> 01:23:01.160] competition. I don't understand why all motor racing has to necessarily reflect road relevance.
[01:23:01.160 -> 01:23:06.120] If it does, it can only be due to marketing. I'm happy with the
[01:23:06.120 -> 01:23:10.560] conversation. I'm happy if your marketing means that you need your car to reflect
[01:23:10.560 -> 01:23:17.120] your road relevance and your legitimate and worthwhile goals of doing more
[01:23:17.120 -> 01:23:23.360] sustainable mass transit. However, there will come a point, surely, where the sport
[01:23:23.360 -> 01:23:27.800] is a sport. Where we go, okay, that's fine, but we don't have to hobble the sport
[01:23:27.800 -> 01:23:32.800] to make it do everything that we need in our mass transit system.
[01:23:32.800 -> 01:23:37.600] If we are to move to, say, an all-Pegasus form of mass transit,
[01:23:37.600 -> 01:23:41.200] if we discover, finally, the elixir of Pegasus technology
[01:23:41.200 -> 01:23:46.880] and we're all riding around on winged horses, we will not have to put wings
[01:23:46.880 -> 01:23:52.720] on Formula One cars. So I just want to do just the slight voice of reason which is, yes, save the
[01:23:52.720 -> 01:24:12.560] planet, stop burning dead dinosaurs, I'm all for stopping the profits of oil dictating what we do en masse. But let's look at Formula One as a sport as well.
[01:24:19.280 -> 01:24:26.320] Personally, I think the way to make the sport more sustainable is to have even more sports cars. But people like the Haas boss, like Günter Steiner, keep sitting there and going, no, if anything,
[01:24:26.320 -> 01:24:33.560] we should only have two teams, but more teams is better, Jules. More teams is better.
[01:24:33.560 -> 01:24:43.080] Yes, Friday pre-qualifying sessions is what we need back in Formula One. But in all seriousness,
[01:24:43.080 -> 01:24:46.820] I think a narrative that could really gain momentum quick after the
[01:24:46.820 -> 01:24:53.540] dust of the season starting has settled is the discussion about F1 expanding the grid
[01:24:53.540 -> 01:25:01.860] to 11 or 12 teams, because new teams could start in Formula One as early as 2025.
[01:25:01.860 -> 01:25:09.680] Now most team principals that have been in the media commenting about this aren't really
[01:25:09.680 -> 01:25:17.760] very welcoming about the whole idea. Like Gunther Steiner, he said last week, he's scared that the
[01:25:17.760 -> 01:25:22.560] pie that they have to share is going to get smaller, or if it's not going to get smaller,
[01:25:22.560 -> 01:25:27.040] it's not going to get bigger and they would have less money.
[01:25:27.040 -> 01:25:36.160] If I could use the word anti-disestablishmentarianism, it kind of reeks of it, you know, like, oh
[01:25:36.160 -> 01:25:39.820] no, I don't want to lose the financial support.
[01:25:39.820 -> 01:25:47.840] But then this week, Seg Brown came out, McLaren's Sag Brown came out. And he was actually in favor. And he said, new teams, more teams,
[01:25:47.840 -> 01:25:49.960] attracts more sponsors, more income.
[01:25:49.960 -> 01:25:52.800] So the pie that we're sharing is just going to get bigger.
[01:25:52.800 -> 01:25:56.640] And I thought that was a really fresh approach and nice
[01:25:56.640 -> 01:25:59.000] to hear from one of the team bosses
[01:25:59.000 -> 01:26:01.400] because I think a lot of Formula 1 fans
[01:26:01.400 -> 01:26:03.480] would welcome more competition.
[01:26:03.480 -> 01:26:04.560] Yes, of course.
[01:26:04.560 -> 01:26:07.080] And not only more competition, but more stables of cars
[01:26:07.080 -> 01:26:07.560] as well.
[01:26:07.560 -> 01:26:10.960] Because remember, four cars are basically on the same stable.
[01:26:10.960 -> 01:26:12.640] And you always feel like Williams
[01:26:12.640 -> 01:26:16.920] are kind of flirting with B team status with Mercedes,
[01:26:16.920 -> 01:26:19.600] although they'd never go that full way.
[01:26:19.600 -> 01:26:23.120] And Haas and Alfa Romeo definitely
[01:26:23.120 -> 01:26:26.640] feel like they are in the pocket or at least very friendly
[01:26:26.640 -> 01:26:31.760] with Ferrari. So you've only really got kind of three or four, if you let's, do you know what,
[01:26:31.760 -> 01:26:36.240] let's be inclusive, let's include Alpine. You've only got kind of like really four stables of
[01:26:36.240 -> 01:26:42.720] Formula One car jewels. And I think the privateer era is dead. Like it really doesn't exist anymore
[01:26:42.720 -> 01:26:45.280] because everyone is latched on to one of those four
[01:26:45.280 -> 01:26:46.280] works teams.
[01:26:46.280 -> 01:26:47.280] Yeah.
[01:26:47.280 -> 01:26:52.920] And I think that's a real shame because you can wonder what's the point of a team like
[01:26:52.920 -> 01:26:55.040] AlphaTauri.
[01:26:55.040 -> 01:27:03.360] Is this even like in sportmanship's thinking, do you even want this, a B team like that,
[01:27:03.360 -> 01:27:11.000] you know? So I think the Andretti plan, for instance, they sound legit and they sound genuine, you
[01:27:11.000 -> 01:27:14.960] know, they like, they don't need to link up with an existing team.
[01:27:14.960 -> 01:27:18.120] It sounds like they can do this on their own.
[01:27:18.120 -> 01:27:23.240] And I think it will be, it will be really good because you kind of get the feeling now
[01:27:23.240 -> 01:27:25.560] that Formula One is a grid where you can't
[01:27:25.560 -> 01:27:28.680] relegate. So it doesn't really matter how bad you do.
[01:27:28.680 -> 01:27:29.680] Franchise.
[01:27:29.680 -> 01:27:32.600] You just, oh, let's move on to the next year because we're just going to be here anyways.
[01:27:32.600 -> 01:27:37.960] And it needs to be spiced up and mixed up and some new faces.
[01:27:37.960 -> 01:27:38.960] Jonno.
[01:27:38.960 -> 01:27:46.480] Andretti would be fun. I think a potential Honda return would be fun.
[01:27:46.920 -> 01:27:49.000] They did win the 2009 World Championship.
[01:27:49.000 -> 01:27:51.920] Oops, sorry, Braun won that with Honda's cars.
[01:27:51.920 -> 01:27:53.300] Sorry, my bad.
[01:27:53.300 -> 01:27:55.820] But they got potential, they're really quick.
[01:27:56.720 -> 01:27:57.640] That would be great.
[01:27:57.640 -> 01:27:59.920] I think having a big grid,
[01:27:59.920 -> 01:28:02.400] the F1's been due an expansion for a while.
[01:28:02.400 -> 01:28:04.700] They tried doing it in 2010.
[01:28:04.700 -> 01:28:05.280] Toyota pulled out, I suppose they had like 26 cars They tried doing it in 2010. Toyota pulled out,
[01:28:05.280 -> 01:28:09.520] I suppose, had what, 26 cars that year, and then ended up, Toyota pulled out at 24, and then the
[01:28:09.520 -> 01:28:15.840] three new teams don't even exist anymore. But yeah, we do need more cars in the grid. And then
[01:28:15.840 -> 01:28:21.040] what that does allow is more talent on the grid. Now we don't go, oh, poor Daniel Ricciardo, poor
[01:28:21.040 -> 01:28:26.720] Mick Schumacher, poor these guys who can't race. They can race! Because there's four extra seats on the grid.
[01:28:26.720 -> 01:28:27.720] Yeah, man.
[01:28:27.720 -> 01:28:29.040] That's it, Matt.
[01:28:29.040 -> 01:28:30.400] More is always better.
[01:28:30.400 -> 01:28:36.560] If I've learned anything from having an American co-host, it's you always have more for longer,
[01:28:36.560 -> 01:28:42.400] take big breaks, NFL lasts four and a half hours, bigger is better, space between everything,
[01:28:42.400 -> 01:28:44.400] let's have 30 cars.
[01:28:44.400 -> 01:28:46.000] Yeah. why not?
[01:28:46.000 -> 01:28:50.800] Because after all, we have loads of junior drivers we'd like to see.
[01:28:50.800 -> 01:28:57.360] And we have seen that the customer teams have made progress.
[01:28:57.360 -> 01:29:01.400] The midfield actually is often the most interesting thing to cover.
[01:29:01.400 -> 01:29:05.920] So how could it be worse if we had more teams?
[01:29:05.920 -> 01:29:11.520] Well the only way it could be worse is if you were a current F1 team owner and you think
[01:29:11.520 -> 01:29:16.740] the amount of growth you're going to see is going to cut into the profits you expected
[01:29:16.740 -> 01:29:19.240] if you didn't add teams.
[01:29:19.240 -> 01:29:26.600] And this is just a glass half full, glass half empty, glass not designed correctly to specification
[01:29:26.600 -> 01:29:27.600] kind of argument.
[01:29:27.600 -> 01:29:31.240] Jules Sagers, that's a good topic.
[01:29:31.240 -> 01:29:33.240] Final word from you, how many teams on the grid?
[01:29:33.240 -> 01:29:35.240] You pick, you're in charge.
[01:29:35.240 -> 01:29:36.240] Thirteen.
[01:29:36.240 -> 01:29:39.160] Yes, absolutely agree, Jules.
[01:29:39.160 -> 01:29:40.560] Thirteen cars, sounds about right.
[01:29:40.560 -> 01:29:43.560] We will have to lose Monaco, unfortunately.
[01:29:43.560 -> 01:29:50.960] That's not me saying that, that is Jules inferring that from his comment. Jules, Jules Segers, F1, no, just Jules Segers
[01:29:50.960 -> 01:29:57.440] on Twitter. Link in the show notes below. Double E, you tweet in English, which is good, thank you,
[01:29:57.440 -> 01:30:03.040] because I'm probably not going to learn Dutch anytime soon, especially given that the language
[01:30:03.040 -> 01:30:05.360] doesn't account for vast swathes
[01:30:05.360 -> 01:30:06.560] of racing terms.
[01:30:06.560 -> 01:30:12.260] Excellent. Make sure you go and follow our crew, Jonathan Simon. When he is an international
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[01:30:27.100 -> 01:30:32.160] And should we still buy your wife's books to read or to give as gifts?
[01:30:32.160 -> 01:30:35.260] Maybe we could include a link in those show notes, Matt.
[01:30:35.260 -> 01:30:36.520] I think we can.
[01:30:36.520 -> 01:30:39.100] And yes, please, by all means, do that.
[01:30:39.100 -> 01:30:43.160] The more of her books you buy, the less actual work I have to do.
[01:30:43.160 -> 01:30:47.240] No one likes working, and it's no work to follow anyone because the links are right there in
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