2022 Season Review and Call-in

Spanners and Trumpets are joined by Danish TV journo Kristian Pedersen and Presenter/Commentator extraordinaire Jonathan ‘Jono’ Simon as they cast a wary eye at the looming off season. From Power Unit priorities to Norris’ future notions, from Leclerc’s learnings to call in questions, no outwash rear wing endplate goes unbanned in this, the latest episode of Missed Apex Podcast.

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**2022 Season Review: Missed Apex Podcast**

* **Missed Apex Podcast:** A podcast dedicated to Formula One racing, hosted by Spanners (Richard Ready), Matt Trumpets, Kristian Pedersen, and Jonathan Simon.

**Discussion:**

* **Lando Norris' Future:**
* Norris is stuck in the top midfield seat, with limited opportunities for advancement due to the dominance of Red Bull, Mercedes, and Ferrari.
* McLaren needs to improve its budget and car performance to compete with the top teams.
* Norris should demand a better car from McLaren, while also exploring options with other teams.

* **McLaren's Struggles:**
* McLaren has not been a championship-contending team for over a decade, despite its rich history.
* The team's partnership with Mercedes led to a decline in its competitiveness.
* McLaren needs to find a new engine partner for 2026 to become a works team.

* **Charles Leclerc's Performance:**
* Leclerc has shown speed and driving skill, but he needs to improve his communication and assertiveness.
* Leclerc may struggle to win a championship unless Ferrari provides him with a dominant car.
* Ferrari's unreliable power unit in 2022 hindered Leclerc's performance.

* **Power Unit Freeze and Ferrari's Strategy:**
* The power unit freeze allows teams to make modifications for reliability reasons only.
* Ferrari may have prioritized performance over reliability in developing its power unit.
* This strategy could give Ferrari an advantage in qualifying but may lead to reliability issues during races.

* **Call from EJ (Denmark):**
* EJ expresses concern that the current regulations may lead to a repeat of the 2017-2019 era, with limited competition beyond the top three teams.
* He questions whether the regulations should be prolonged to allow for closer racing.

* **Call from Wietse (Netherlands):**
* Wietse asks if Charles Leclerc has learned enough from the 2022 season to mount a championship challenge in 2023.
* He highlights Leclerc's speed and driving skills but notes his passive communication style compared to Carlos Sainz.

**Overall:**

* The podcast discusses various topics related to the 2022 Formula One season, including the challenges faced by Lando Norris and McLaren, Charles Leclerc's performance and development, and the impact of the power unit freeze on Ferrari's strategy.

* The podcast also features calls from listeners, providing their perspectives and questions on the discussed topics. **Summary of the Missed Apex Podcast Episode**

**Episode Overview:**

The Missed Apex podcast crew, joined by Danish TV journalist Kristian Pedersen and commentator Jonathan 'Jono' Simon, engage in a lively discussion about various topics related to the Formula One off-season. They delve into power unit priorities, Charles Leclerc's performance and challenges, and the impact of the cost cap on team dynamics.

**Key Points:**

1. **Power Unit Analysis:**
- Ferrari's power unit has potential for improvement in terms of reliability.
- Mercedes' power unit is considered the most reliable but lacks performance.
- Honda or Red Bull Racing's power unit is currently the best option.
- Ferrari's decision to focus on developing reliability over performance is a strategic move.

2. **Charles Leclerc's Performance:**
- Leclerc has demonstrated exceptional speed when his car is performing well.
- Communication issues between Leclerc and the Ferrari team have hindered his performance.
- Leclerc's tendency to push too hard and make mistakes under pressure is a concern.

3. **Cost Cap Impact:**
- The cost cap has leveled the playing field, allowing smaller teams to compete more effectively.
- Teams must now carefully manage their resources and prioritize spending.
- Controlling a team's budget within the cost cap is a new challenge for Formula One teams.

**Insights and Perspectives:**

- The podcast panelists believe that Ferrari has the potential to become a championship-winning team if they can resolve their reliability issues.
- Leclerc's performance is highly dependent on the car's performance and the team's ability to provide effective communication and support.
- The cost cap has introduced a new dimension to Formula One, requiring teams to adapt their strategies and resource allocation.

**Controversies and Notable Moments:**

- The panelists debate the merits of Ferrari's decision to prioritize reliability over performance in their power unit development.
- There is discussion about Leclerc's tendency to make mistakes under pressure and whether he can overcome this challenge.
- The podcast crew acknowledges the ongoing debate surrounding Red Bull's alleged cost cap breach and its potential consequences.

**Overall Message:**

The podcast highlights the complexities and challenges facing Formula One teams during the off-season. It emphasizes the need for strategic decision-making, effective communication, and adaptability in the face of changing regulations and competitive dynamics. * **FIA Review:**

* The FIA has been proactive in trying new things and reacting to the increasing demand for more action and entertainment in Formula One.
* They have shown a willingness to be inventive and have demonstrated initiative.
* The FIA has become more transparent and quicker in their decision-making and communication with teams and drivers.
* The new leadership at the FIA is working to get rid of the old bureaucratic approach that hindered progress in the past.

* **Overtaking:**

* There has been a 30% increase in overtakes this season compared to last season, with 785 overtakes in 2022 compared to 599 in 2021.
* The new cars and regulations have made it easier for drivers to follow and overtake each other, leading to more exciting races.
* Pirelli has played a crucial role by providing tires that allow drivers to make second pit stops and catch up to those who have made only one stop.
* The introduction of a new front tire next season is expected to further reduce understeer and improve overtaking.

* **Cost Cap:**

* The cost cap has been a controversial topic, with some teams, including Red Bull, accused of breaching the regulations.
* The FIA has been criticized for its handling of the cost cap saga, with some feeling that Red Bull received a lenient penalty.
* The cost cap is seen as a necessary measure to ensure financial sustainability and prevent a few wealthy teams from dominating the sport.
* The cost cap is expected to level the playing field and make it more competitive for smaller teams to challenge for wins and championships.

* **Mercedes' Struggles:**

* Mercedes has struggled to adapt to the new regulations and has fallen behind Red Bull and Ferrari in terms of performance.
* The team's struggles have been attributed to a combination of factors, including the design of their car and their difficulty in getting the tires to work properly.
* Mercedes is expected to bounce back next season, but they will need to make significant improvements to their car and strategy.

* **Norris' Future:**

* Lando Norris is one of the most talented young drivers in Formula One and is seen as a future world champion.
* He has been linked with a move to Red Bull or Ferrari in the future, but he is currently contracted to McLaren until the end of 2025.
* Norris has expressed his desire to win a world championship with McLaren, but he may be tempted to move to a top team if they offer him a better chance of success.

* **Leclerc's Learnings:**

* Charles Leclerc has had a challenging season in 2022, making several mistakes and losing valuable points.
* He has learned from his mistakes and is determined to come back stronger next season.
* Leclerc is still considered one of the best young drivers in Formula One and is expected to challenge for the world championship in the future.

* **Call-in Questions:**

* The podcast received a call from a listener who expressed concern that Red Bull was getting away with breaking the cost cap regulations.
* The caller also questioned whether Aston Martin had deliberately exploited loopholes in the cost cap rules to gain an advantage.
* The panelists discussed the caller's concerns and provided their perspectives on the cost cap controversy. **Season Review: Overtaking, Driver Styles, and a Farewell to 2022**

* **Overtaking:**

* The 2022 season witnessed a significant increase in overtaking maneuvers, a positive development for the sport.
* Several factors contributed to this, including the new regulations, which aimed to promote closer racing.
* Drivers had more opportunities to overtake, leading to exciting and unpredictable races.
* The DRS system also played a role in facilitating overtaking.

* **Driver Styles:**

* Max Verstappen's driving style evolved throughout the season, becoming more controlled and less aggressive.
* This change was attributed to the new regulations and the pressure of being a world champion.
* Verstappen's adaptation to the new rules and his ability to maintain composure under pressure were key factors in his success.

* **Farewell to 2022:**

* The podcast hosts expressed their gratitude to their listeners for their support throughout the 2022 season.
* They acknowledged the challenges faced by the team, including the loss of a close friend, but also highlighted the positive experiences and the growth of the podcast.
* The hosts looked forward to the upcoming 2023 season and promised to continue delivering engaging and informative content to their listeners.

**Additional Points:**

* The hosts discussed the importance of constructive criticism and welcomed feedback from their listeners.
* They encouraged listeners to reach out to them on social media or via email to share their thoughts and suggestions.
* The podcast team expressed their appreciation for their Patreon supporters, whose contributions help sustain the podcast.
* They also mentioned their partnership with PrizePicks, a daily fantasy sports platform, and encouraged listeners to check it out.
* The hosts concluded the episode with a heartfelt farewell to the 2022 season and expressed their excitement for the upcoming year.

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[01:03.540 -> 01:10.920] You are listening to Miss apex podcast we live f1
[01:15.400 -> 01:20.520] welcome to missed apex podcast I'm your host Richard ready but my friends call
[01:20.520 -> 01:27.360] me spanners so let's be friends. Welcome to the 2022 Season Review. My daughter
[01:27.360 -> 01:31.840] asked me just before this show said, Dad, what's your podcast about? I thought, you know, it's
[01:31.840 -> 01:37.440] about Formula One. She went, no, I know, but what do you say about Formula One? And it's a really
[01:37.440 -> 01:42.960] good basic question. What is it we try to do? We certainly don't report the news. We don't go blow
[01:42.960 -> 01:50.960] by blow. We don't tell you about the race you've just watched. So I said, well, we just say what we think about what
[01:50.960 -> 01:58.200] happened and what might happen next. And she said, but why do people like that? And I think
[01:58.200 -> 02:03.400] it's a great question. I think because, like me, a lot of people don't have real life people
[02:03.400 -> 02:05.200] to talk about F1 to.
[02:05.200 -> 02:08.160] That's certainly how I got to know Matt and all the crew.
[02:08.720 -> 02:13.440] But also, I think at a basic level, we are an internet water cooler,
[02:13.440 -> 02:18.800] and we all get to sit around the water cooler and talk about and discuss the thing we love.
[02:19.920 -> 02:23.680] And then my daughter challenged me again and said, yeah, but it's only one way.
[02:24.400 -> 02:26.160] And I don't feel like it's one way,
[02:26.160 -> 02:27.640] because we get a lot of great interaction
[02:27.640 -> 02:29.360] from you guys as well.
[02:29.360 -> 02:32.280] And I don't know if you guys feel this with Missed Apex,
[02:32.280 -> 02:34.200] I certainly get feedback that you do.
[02:34.200 -> 02:37.560] I have to sometimes remind myself with my favorite podcasts
[02:37.560 -> 02:41.060] that I don't actually personally know Scott Johnson
[02:41.060 -> 02:42.440] from the Morning Stream,
[02:42.440 -> 02:45.400] or Bob Novella from the Skeptics Guide.
[02:45.400 -> 02:49.360] And that's how much a part of my week they are.
[02:49.360 -> 02:52.540] And I'm honoured that a lot of people think that we're a part of their week as well.
[02:52.540 -> 02:57.260] So to move forward with making this a bit more of a two-way stream, we want to get into
[02:57.260 -> 03:02.180] doing a bit more of a call-in format going forward into 2023.
[03:02.180 -> 03:03.300] So this is a bit of a trial.
[03:03.300 -> 03:07.840] We've done it on our Patreon streams, but today today if you are a patron of Missed Apex Podcast and you
[03:07.840 -> 03:12.920] want to contribute a question or a comment to our 2022 review, you can click
[03:12.920 -> 03:17.400] the live stream link in the general channel of the Patreon Slack group and
[03:17.400 -> 03:22.360] come jump on Missed Apex Podcast. We'd love to hear from you. We are an
[03:22.360 -> 03:26.880] independent podcast produced in a podcasting shed of the mind.
[03:26.880 -> 03:31.360] We aim to bring you a race review before your Monday morning commute. We might be wrong,
[03:31.360 -> 03:42.160] but we're first. I'm joined in the shed of the mind by Matt, two rhombids. How's it going, Matt?
[03:43.120 -> 03:47.000] Looking forward to the season of rumour and statistical minutia.
[03:47.000 -> 03:49.000] What is that, the season gone or the one to come?
[03:49.000 -> 03:51.000] The one we're about to embark on, my friend.
[03:51.000 -> 03:54.000] Alright, give us a break. Give us Christmas at least.
[03:54.000 -> 03:58.000] Your Thanksgiving turkey's not even gone down and you're talking about 2023.
[03:58.000 -> 04:02.000] We're actually having the leftovers, the last of the leftovers tonight.
[04:02.000 -> 04:08.200] Absolutely fantastic. And we are joined from the other side of the world by Jonathan Simon.
[04:08.200 -> 04:09.800] How's it going, Jono?
[04:09.800 -> 04:10.800] Good, good.
[04:10.800 -> 04:13.480] I tried not to be the youngest person on this panel, so I grew a beard.
[04:13.480 -> 04:15.280] And I don't know if it's going to work.
[04:15.280 -> 04:16.280] No, no.
[04:16.280 -> 04:17.280] We'll see.
[04:17.280 -> 04:21.720] What really ages you is you need to spawn and give over a part of your soul to tiny
[04:21.720 -> 04:22.720] humans.
[04:22.720 -> 04:24.720] Yeah, well, okay, I'll take that.
[04:24.720 -> 04:25.760] That's wise words.
[04:25.760 -> 04:27.760] I have that written on my wall, I think, Spanners, behind me.
[04:27.760 -> 04:28.760] We'll see.
[04:28.760 -> 04:29.760] How old are you?
[04:29.760 -> 04:30.760] Twenty-seven?
[04:30.760 -> 04:31.760] Twenty-six.
[04:31.760 -> 04:32.760] Twenty-seven next year.
[04:32.760 -> 04:33.760] Very close.
[04:33.760 -> 04:34.760] That is prime.
[04:34.760 -> 04:36.560] Life is about to hit you with a sledgehammer age.
[04:36.560 -> 04:37.560] Good luck.
[04:37.560 -> 04:38.560] I can feel it.
[04:38.560 -> 04:40.400] I look forward to seeing it unfold.
[04:40.400 -> 04:46.960] And someone for whom so much of life has unfolded, our Nordic Viking warrior god, it's Christian Pedersen.
[04:46.960 -> 04:47.760] How's it going, Christian?
[04:48.640 -> 04:53.280] As the oldest on the panel, I try to do my best to keep it old.
[04:53.280 -> 04:57.680] So I will be describing the birds we have experienced
[04:57.680 -> 05:00.880] during the Formula One season 2022 tonight.
[05:00.880 -> 05:05.360] And it will be a 25-minute in-depth look into the different kind of...
[05:05.360 -> 05:08.640] I haven't told you about this, Benno? No, and I'm looking forward to hearing it.
[05:08.640 -> 05:11.960] Although, I have to say, controversial, so people on the live stream can see.
[05:11.960 -> 05:17.840] You're claiming you're older than Matt? I think I am. Go on, Matt, let's share.
[05:17.840 -> 05:24.240] Let's bring it on. Matt, how old are you?
[05:24.240 -> 05:28.720] Is it okay if I have to look it up? Old enough to not be able to remember.
[05:28.720 -> 05:32.160] Tell you what though, let's get into some season analysis.
[05:39.360 -> 05:43.440] And if you want to be a caller on MrApex's podcast then all you have to do is be in our
[05:43.440 -> 05:50.480] Patreon Slack group and hit up and join by clicking that link. We are only going to do audio only for the callers because I'm
[05:50.480 -> 05:56.320] absolutely convinced if we open up the video people are going to show us their butts and we don't want
[05:56.320 -> 06:02.800] any bot-assing going on here. But Jono, I think you had a really good question to pose to the panel
[06:02.800 -> 06:06.320] as part of the 2022 season review.
[06:13.120 -> 06:18.320] And that was about Lando Norris. So, what is next for Lando Norris? Because the man is trapped in the top midfield seat and you can't go to Red Bull because that's dominated by Verstappen.
[06:18.320 -> 06:23.600] Mercedes have got their next prodigy Russell lined up for the future. Then you look at Ferrari and
[06:23.600 -> 06:29.440] you go, well, I don't know, can you go to Ferrari? You got Leclerc, Sainz, got a few options. So, you have to make McLaren
[06:29.440 -> 06:34.000] work. Now, how do you make it work? It's down to money. You've got the budget cut coming in. Yes,
[06:34.000 -> 06:38.960] it increases next year. McLaren aren't meeting that budget difference at the moment. You're
[06:38.960 -> 06:42.720] not going to win championships with the budget they're spending at the moment. So, what do you
[06:42.720 -> 06:45.680] do if you land on Norris? How can you raise funds for that team?
[06:45.680 -> 06:46.880] You can't do it individually.
[06:47.680 -> 06:54.160] I would say stay at McLaren and then demand McLaren build a car that is on par with their
[06:54.160 -> 06:58.720] budget, their capabilities and their name basically.
[06:58.720 -> 07:08.320] I think it's beyond Formula 1 that we haven't seen a McLaren doing like podiums on occasions or more than occasions.
[07:08.320 -> 07:14.640] McLaren is like one of the major teams and we have seen too little from McLaren in the last
[07:14.640 -> 07:20.720] 10 years or something like that. I have to say that as a long-suffering Williams fan,
[07:21.280 -> 07:29.280] your logic that just because a team was great once they must surely come back. I mean we've been hoping for like this Williams resurgence
[07:29.280 -> 07:34.880] and watch them as basically the whole format and model, an ecosystem of
[07:34.880 -> 07:39.700] Formula One changed around them to make their model kind of non-viable and then
[07:39.700 -> 07:43.600] McLaren are just a little bit probably down the road. They're like kind of a
[07:43.600 -> 07:51.640] more, a better surviving version of Williams. But I'm not sure if there's room for any of these, I mean,
[07:51.640 -> 07:57.400] privateer teams. Do we still consider McLaren in its form? We can still consider it a privateer
[07:57.400 -> 08:02.680] team as such and probably, you know, the last privateer team. You can point to Sauber, but
[08:02.680 -> 08:06.240] Sauber seem very happy to rebadge to a
[08:06.240 -> 08:12.560] title sponsor to Alfa Romeo this year and possibly other teams going forward. And then,
[08:12.560 -> 08:16.840] I mean Williams, they're there at the moment, they're clinging on, they're not really showing
[08:16.840 -> 08:22.400] any signs of coming back. So Matt, I would posit, well, Christian can come back on it
[08:22.400 -> 08:25.280] then, I would posit that that is a hopelessly
[08:25.280 -> 08:31.880] optimistic approach for Lando Norris to take. I cannot see McLaren, I can see them kind
[08:31.880 -> 08:37.160] of doing what they're doing now, but I just don't see a way for them to compete with Red
[08:37.160 -> 08:43.280] Bull, McLaren, and sorry, Red Bull, Mercedes and Ferrari. And somebody's going to say Red
[08:43.280 -> 08:48.480] Bull's a privateer team as well, which is a good point to immediately counter exactly everything I've said.
[08:49.520 -> 08:56.560] I would argue that McLaren is, is it wrong to say car manufacturer today and a racing team?
[08:57.120 -> 09:03.120] Just as Ferrari is. I know they have less cars, they've built them for less years, but times are
[09:03.120 -> 09:08.780] new and the future for McLaren is being someone who builds race cars for the road and have
[09:08.780 -> 09:11.940] different activities everywhere, just like Ferrari.
[09:11.940 -> 09:15.940] But everyone has the same money nowadays.
[09:15.940 -> 09:17.240] They also have the big brand.
[09:17.240 -> 09:21.140] They have the right drivers, in my opinion, and they have the right tools.
[09:21.140 -> 09:25.280] And then it's okay to demand a bit more than we have seen, I think.
[09:25.280 -> 09:32.960] So you ask what's next for Lando, and I would say first and most important is not turning into
[09:32.960 -> 09:40.800] Alonzo at McLaren, because he's in a position of, I would say, frustration in that he recognizes he
[09:40.800 -> 09:45.440] has the skills to win on the regular, if he has the equipment, he knows he doesn't have
[09:45.440 -> 09:53.120] the equipment, and best, best case, these regulations work like they're planned and in the next three
[09:53.120 -> 10:00.960] to four years erase decades worth of dominance by Mercedes and Red Bull and multi, multi, multi
[10:00.960 -> 10:05.360] decades, not dominance, but at least participation and financial advantage
[10:05.920 -> 10:12.000] by Ferrari. I think second for Norris is casually undercutting his brand new teammates so that
[10:12.800 -> 10:17.040] Piastri's not a real threat to him but that so that he does score more points than Riccardo did
[10:17.760 -> 10:26.320] because if Riccardo had scored similarly to the Alonso Ocon pairing in Alpine, McLaren would have been ahead of them, in
[10:26.320 -> 10:28.700] the constructors, for sure.
[10:28.700 -> 10:35.580] And then third, obviously, is, y'know, talking to Ferrari, talking to Mercedes, talking to
[10:35.580 -> 10:41.000] Red Bull, and in case something weird happens, being the person that gets promoted to one
[10:41.000 -> 10:42.440] of the cars that can win races.
[10:42.440 -> 10:44.400] LIAM John O, then Christian.
[10:44.400 -> 10:45.000] ALICE And that's true, because then you keep McLaren and it gets promoted to one of the cars that can win races. Uh, John O, then Christian.
[10:48.160 -> 10:48.200] And that's true because then you keep McLaren on your feet going, well,
[10:49.280 -> 10:53.040] we don't want to lose Lando. Let's try and get him a good car before one of these big three swoop him up.
[10:53.400 -> 10:56.280] So I think that's a good call that Trump has said.
[10:56.280 -> 10:57.800] What's next for Lando Norris?
[10:57.800 -> 11:00.280] Well, you know, where are you going to be next year in the pecking order?
[11:00.280 -> 11:02.160] Likely you've got to beat Piastri.
[11:02.200 -> 11:03.160] That's your next goal.
[11:03.160 -> 11:07.160] You can't end your career by finishing number two to a rookie driver, you know,
[11:07.160 -> 11:08.840] because we know how that can work.
[11:08.840 -> 11:10.400] You can't turn into Alonso.
[11:10.400 -> 11:12.000] That's another good segue there.
[11:12.000 -> 11:15.600] Quick history lesson on McLaren for those people who don't know,
[11:15.600 -> 11:20.400] they did have a partnership with Mercedes before Mercedes entered the sport in 2010.
[11:20.400 -> 11:23.080] And that's where the money started to leave McLaren.
[11:23.080 -> 11:25.960] They started to become less of a championship competing team.
[11:25.960 -> 11:28.400] McLaren's last best year was 2012.
[11:28.400 -> 11:30.440] They had a car that could have won the championship,
[11:30.440 -> 11:33.040] reliability issues, all this kind of stuff.
[11:33.040 -> 11:35.000] And then after that, they were just never the same,
[11:35.000 -> 11:35.960] never the same team.
[11:35.960 -> 11:38.080] Lewis Hamilton goes over to Mercedes,
[11:38.080 -> 11:40.080] and now you're talking about a team.
[11:40.080 -> 11:42.360] And here's one thing that I've noticed is,
[11:42.360 -> 11:45.360] every one of the big three teams run their own power unit.
[11:45.360 -> 11:47.560] They lead that own power unit in a sense.
[11:47.960 -> 11:48.880] McLaren don't.
[11:48.880 -> 11:52.800] They're a customer of Mercedes, so they get the second best Mercedes engines.
[11:53.000 -> 11:55.080] Now, can you find a manufacturer?
[11:55.080 -> 12:02.680] Can you find a new engine partner for 2026 in the long term to make you an engine solely for McLaren to lead that team?
[12:02.680 -> 12:03.280] That's another good question.
[12:03.280 -> 12:04.800] Jono, they tried that.
[12:04.800 -> 12:05.800] It didn't go well. McLaren Honda was one team. That's another good question. Johnno, they tried that. It didn't go well.
[12:05.800 -> 12:09.040] McLaren-Honda was one of the worst partnerships in F1.
[12:09.040 -> 12:11.960] Well, now it would have been the best had they stuck with them.
[12:11.960 -> 12:12.960] Unfortunately, they haven't.
[12:12.960 -> 12:14.960] I just want to add to the…
[12:14.960 -> 12:15.960] Sorry, Matt.
[12:15.960 -> 12:17.480] You go ahead, Matt.
[12:17.480 -> 12:22.780] I just wanted to quickly pick up and say that one of the biggest downfalls for McLaren was
[12:22.780 -> 12:26.280] Mercedes entering the sport as its own entity.
[12:26.280 -> 12:31.580] And that really piggybacks on your point about needing to be a works team. It's not about
[12:31.580 -> 12:36.680] whether you're a privateer, it's about whether you're a works team. Are you backed by a major
[12:36.680 -> 12:37.680] manufacturer?
[12:37.680 -> 12:46.920] I very much second that. But I would also like to add to the Lando debate that Lando is doing everything he can.
[12:46.920 -> 12:49.640] I think he's doing it brilliantly.
[12:49.640 -> 12:54.400] He gets everything, the last ounce out of that car, even on bad days.
[12:54.400 -> 12:55.440] He keeps the mood up.
[12:55.440 -> 12:56.980] He's a good team player.
[12:56.980 -> 12:57.980] He's young.
[12:57.980 -> 13:01.440] He's got great PR brand value.
[13:01.440 -> 13:06.840] I think it's more up to Lando than the teams basically in the future, the
[13:06.840 -> 13:09.680] way he's behaving on track and off track.
[13:09.680 -> 13:15.760] I love this game, this career game that we see with drivers and I'm always getting told
[13:15.760 -> 13:20.320] it's too simplistic to go, well this driver beat that driver and that driver beat that
[13:20.320 -> 13:26.640] driver therefore we can say that driver A is better than driver D. However, it's kind of all
[13:26.640 -> 13:32.640] we've got. So when we're looking at this kind of this career game, and I always say Formula One
[13:32.640 -> 13:40.160] isn't fought over a race or even a season, it's a career game in any form of the video games or the
[13:40.160 -> 13:46.560] manager games. It's all about progressing up the ladder through the teams. So with Lando
[13:46.560 -> 13:51.360] Norris, you go, well, his career game has kind of stagnated. He put all his eggs in the McLaren
[13:51.360 -> 13:57.120] basket, but he's done all right against his teammates. He's looked pretty good. He looked
[13:57.120 -> 14:02.080] pretty good against Carlos Sainz. I think most people would have had them kind of on reasonably
[14:02.080 -> 14:09.240] level pegging. Sainz hasn't gone and blown up Ferrari in that battle, however, so I don't think you
[14:09.240 -> 14:13.560] can say, oh well that means that Lando Norris also wouldn't have gone and beaten Leclerc
[14:13.560 -> 14:20.400] because I do feel like Ferrari have a chosen one at any given time and at the moment it
[14:20.400 -> 14:24.680] is Charles Leclerc with an 85 year contract still at Ferrari.
[14:24.680 -> 14:27.500] So yeah, it is absolutely this driver-teammate game.
[14:27.500 -> 14:31.000] And I want to know, I want the Ricciardo book to come out.
[14:31.000 -> 14:33.500] I want to know what happened in this.
[14:33.500 -> 14:37.500] Because surely, like Jono, in Australia, people aren't taking this lying down.
[14:37.500 -> 14:39.500] Something really weird happened.
[14:39.500 -> 14:45.000] That gap does not reflect the talent between Norris and Ricardo.
[14:45.000 -> 14:55.000] At some point, there's going to be a tell-all, isn't there, about divisions within the team and him having different setups, or, you know, there's some politics there. There must be.
[14:55.000 -> 15:09.560] I truly believe that Daniel Ricardo still has the same talent he has, but there are two problems. As soon as he goes to McLaren, it's not a good fit for him. And then what happens is, now he loses confidence and it becomes an effect where he just gets worse and
[15:09.560 -> 15:14.160] worse. So initially, that car is not a good fit. I think you put him in any of the other nine cars on
[15:14.160 -> 15:19.000] the grid, he does a good job and he's back to his same talent. The problem is, everybody only knows
[15:19.000 -> 15:22.440] you, you're only as good as your last race. And that's what people remember him for. So they're
[15:22.440 -> 15:29.280] always going to think, what happened to this guy? I don't think he lost any of it. I truly think that that car and that team didn't suit him.
[15:29.280 -> 15:33.520] He should have got out of there in three races in hindsight but he stayed there for two seasons
[15:33.520 -> 15:37.680] and it's basically ruined his career. I think you're right, Rolando Norris has to now
[15:38.320 -> 15:44.640] show a ruthless streak and make Piastri really regret that move to McLaren. Now as I said earlier
[15:44.640 -> 15:46.600] we're going to be taking some calls
[15:46.600 -> 15:48.240] from our patron Slack group,
[15:48.240 -> 15:50.600] and if you wanna be a patron, we would appreciate that.
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[15:53.140 -> 15:56.200] Missed Apex only exists because of our patron support.
[15:56.200 -> 15:57.500] We've got a few people queued up,
[15:57.500 -> 15:59.600] and so we are gonna take your point
[15:59.600 -> 16:01.800] and then lead that to further discussion,
[16:01.800 -> 16:03.200] but please do hang on the line.
[16:03.200 -> 16:07.440] I can see there's a queue of people at the moment. Oh, it's gone all radio-y, Christian.
[16:07.440 -> 16:11.440] That's you and me in our element now. We can handle this, can't we? We can
[16:11.440 -> 16:16.760] handle whatever comes. What's holding us back? Nothing. The first caller is
[16:16.760 -> 16:21.600] ready to speak to us, and it is, in fact, it's another Dane. It is EJ
[16:21.600 -> 16:25.600] from our iRacing group and patron. Hi EJ, how's it going? It's going alright.
[16:25.600 -> 16:26.600] So, microphone working?
[16:26.600 -> 16:27.600] Yeah, I can hear you.
[16:27.600 -> 16:33.240] And you are calling us from Denmark, so I feel a bit uncomfortable.
[16:33.240 -> 16:37.560] We had a token Dane on, and I don't know how we can manage with two, I suppose.
[16:37.560 -> 16:40.800] Can you two pass the Bechtel test though, for Danes?
[16:40.800 -> 16:48.240] You have to have a conversation with each other, and it can't involve any other nations. So, hi EJ, what's with the red and green with the fleet?
[16:48.240 -> 16:49.240] Not me, thanks.
[16:49.240 -> 16:51.240] The rice is red, but yeah.
[16:51.240 -> 16:52.240] Okay, good burger.
[16:52.240 -> 16:55.240] Just for everyone else, they're talking about porridge, by the way.
[16:55.240 -> 16:57.240] EJ, what's your question or comment?
[16:57.240 -> 17:07.440] Yeah, so this year we have, or last year year was a really great championship.
[17:07.440 -> 17:12.120] We saw a lot of different podium takers last year.
[17:12.120 -> 17:19.280] And then we had the new regulations and it's been almost reset to 2017 with more or less
[17:19.280 -> 17:29.200] three teams taking every podium except Norris for one. And, and, yeah, I gotta also bring out Kevin Magnusson's pole as the only
[17:29.200 -> 17:31.720] other outstanding non top three team.
[17:33.440 -> 17:37.840] And no one, no one wants to say that was a fluke in current company, but yes,
[17:37.840 -> 17:39.160] you know, we get, we get your point.
[17:39.160 -> 17:39.320] Yeah.
[17:39.600 -> 17:39.920] Yeah.
[17:40.240 -> 17:41.520] So, but, but yeah.
[17:42.880 -> 17:48.240] And, and I know it's the first year, but there is a, there is a risk, I think,
[17:48.240 -> 17:56.480] that we might just see a replay of 2017, 18, 19, perhaps also before these new regs come
[17:56.480 -> 17:57.480] into play.
[17:57.480 -> 18:06.560] And then we're getting close to 2060, 2026, 2026, yeah, with a reset of the regulations once more.
[18:06.560 -> 18:15.040] So are we having too narrow a cycle in terms of our regulations should we prolong the longevity?
[18:15.040 -> 18:18.880] Matt, this is something we whinge about all the time. Thank you so much for that question, EJ.
[18:19.520 -> 18:25.440] But yeah, and please do take the answer offline. Thanks for calling in. But we always complain
[18:25.440 -> 18:30.240] that just as the regulations are starting to get to the point where everyone's catching up,
[18:30.240 -> 18:34.880] they change it again and they mix it all up. When are we going to see a 2012
[18:35.440 -> 18:38.640] season when we get six winners in six races?
[18:39.440 -> 18:44.400] Well, I can't predict that exactly, but the phenomenon is pretty well known. It's called
[18:48.400 -> 18:52.720] what you're looking at really is convergence. Once the regulations are out there long enough, the people at the front have less and less they can
[18:52.720 -> 18:56.620] extract, and the people at the back basically, yeah, by hook, crook, and you
[18:56.620 -> 19:01.480] know, Xerox machine, let's say, manage to get themselves closer and closer to the
[19:01.480 -> 19:07.820] point where you really see this kind of Lots of different podiums lots of different winners
[19:08.340 -> 19:12.140] Anybody could win. I think we've made a good start with these regulations
[19:12.140 -> 19:15.380] I think if you look at the battle in the midfield and look at how close that was
[19:15.380 -> 19:21.060] I think if you look at the types of battles we've had but let's remember Mercedes showed up with
[19:21.600 -> 19:24.060] they got a zero on their first assignment and
[19:24.660 -> 19:25.560] Had to claw
[19:25.560 -> 19:27.680] back their grade all season long.
[19:27.680 -> 19:31.680] Ferrari did really well at the beginning, but then they checked out and started taking
[19:31.680 -> 19:35.880] Thursdays and Fridays off to fly to other countries and didn't really compete the entire
[19:35.880 -> 19:39.400] second half of the season in a serious way.
[19:39.400 -> 19:45.360] So I think it remains to be seen, but I have high hopes that we will see racing like that
[19:45.360 -> 19:53.280] and that if the FIA can just be patient while it happens and not randomly go changing regulations
[19:53.280 -> 19:58.080] halfway through the regulation set, like we saw, as you said, in 2017, that we should
[19:58.080 -> 20:03.200] have several years of pretty close racing before we get on to the next rule set.
[20:03.200 -> 20:04.200] Christian?
[20:04.200 -> 20:07.560] Well, I think it's natural to have this thought.
[20:07.560 -> 20:09.400] I think it's new times.
[20:09.400 -> 20:14.760] I know I say this all the time on this podcast, but I think it's a completely new times for
[20:14.760 -> 20:20.800] this set of rules and how it's handled in the way they changed the rule into what we
[20:20.800 -> 20:24.440] experienced this year was done on research.
[20:24.440 -> 20:26.360] It was done out in the open,
[20:26.360 -> 20:30.200] it was done by people who had been in the business for years and know what they're
[20:30.200 -> 20:31.400] talking about.
[20:31.400 -> 20:35.280] And we can see the results actually, and it's working.
[20:35.280 -> 20:39.240] There's nothing behind the scenes and things are just different now.
[20:39.240 -> 20:46.360] So I think we have to also open our arms, eyes and ears and try to see these changes in a
[20:46.360 -> 20:48.160] new way, perhaps.
[20:48.160 -> 20:49.660] Maybe welcome it a bit more.
[20:49.660 -> 20:55.160] I don't think we will see old time racing when nothing happens again.
[20:55.160 -> 20:57.280] The show must go on.
[20:57.280 -> 21:01.600] After the horrible smut of your last appearance, Christian, I am glad you stopped at eyes,
[21:01.600 -> 21:04.480] ears and I was wondering where it was going to go next.
[21:04.480 -> 21:05.280] Jono, quick one? Formula One, let's not wondering where it was going to go next. John, a quick one?
[21:05.280 -> 21:08.320] Formula One, let's not forget what it's about.
[21:08.320 -> 21:09.720] It's about technical innovation.
[21:09.720 -> 21:10.960] It's the pinnacle of motorsport.
[21:10.960 -> 21:18.720] And so we do need to evolve and we can't hold on to a set of regulations for, you know, as the turbo hybrid era, I think, went on way too long.
[21:18.720 -> 21:20.480] You know, that was supposed to end 2021.
[21:20.480 -> 21:23.960] I think that should have ended at least a couple of years earlier to what we have now.
[21:23.960 -> 21:25.780] But what we have now is great.
[21:25.780 -> 21:30.100] And without moving on with a different set of regulations, we wouldn't have had the close
[21:30.100 -> 21:35.020] racing, the amount of overtakes, the grid now is... the discrepancy between first and
[21:35.020 -> 21:36.700] last is so little now.
[21:36.700 -> 21:39.260] So I can't wait for the next set of regulations in 2026.
[21:39.260 -> 21:40.260] Yeah.
[21:40.260 -> 21:43.500] And when you bear in mind that this is a season where, you know, two of the top teams kind
[21:43.500 -> 21:47.380] of fell away and dropped the ball, I think there's still hope for a three-way fight.
[21:47.380 -> 21:53.360] But case in point here, and I don't mean to be F1 racist, EJ, but I'm assuming as a Dane,
[21:53.360 -> 21:55.000] you are a Kevin Magnussen fan.
[21:55.000 -> 21:56.600] Yeah, somewhere. Yeah.
[21:56.600 -> 22:01.080] Yeah. And so like, obviously for you, that poll, that really heightened and increased
[22:01.080 -> 22:05.280] your enjoyment of Formula One. And when we had 2012, with all
[22:05.280 -> 22:10.640] sorts of characters popping up and getting podiums and getting wins, and even 2020 and
[22:10.640 -> 22:15.320] 2021, you know, Gasly getting a win, for example, and lots of people on the podium, all the
[22:15.320 -> 22:20.360] fan bases, except Australia recently, sorry, Giano, all the fan bases get to kind of have
[22:20.360 -> 22:21.360] that moment.
[22:21.360 -> 22:25.160] Yeah, indeed. I think actually last year we only
[22:25.160 -> 22:27.020] saw two or three teams
[22:27.020 -> 22:28.740] that didn't have a podium.
[22:29.320 -> 22:31.660] It was quite, quite extraordinary.
[22:32.040 -> 22:33.880] If if you look back until
[22:33.880 -> 22:34.880] 12.
[22:35.600 -> 22:36.600] Jono.
[22:36.640 -> 22:38.440] Just before I forget, so the cost
[22:38.440 -> 22:40.080] cap for next year now this year was
[22:40.080 -> 22:41.740] at one hundred and one hundred and
[22:41.740 -> 22:42.920] forty million.
[22:42.920 -> 22:44.020] It's going down to one hundred and
[22:44.020 -> 22:47.000] thirty five next year. Let's not talk about inflation or that
[22:47.000 -> 22:51.420] kind of stuff. Look, I can't be bothered getting into that. But that's three times less the
[22:51.420 -> 22:56.480] money that Red Bull, Ferrari, Mercedes spent before the cost cap. So now you're bringing
[22:56.480 -> 23:01.560] those top teams down. Now you're bringing the small teams even closer to these top teams.
[23:01.560 -> 23:05.360] Boy, the parity and the competition is going to be even better
[23:05.360 -> 23:09.360] next year. You're going to see Williams and Haas not struggle like they used to in previous
[23:09.360 -> 23:12.680] years. Every team scored some good points this year. They were pretty good. I want to
[23:12.680 -> 23:16.440] see what Williams is going to be like next year. Is their car going to be even better?
[23:16.440 -> 23:20.800] Let's see. I feel compelled to point out from a pathandic
[23:20.800 -> 23:24.440] point of view that we are still actually in the Turbo Hybrid era.
[23:24.440 -> 23:26.440] No, I knew you were going to bother doing that.
[23:26.440 -> 23:27.120] Go home.
[23:27.120 -> 23:28.440] Go home, old man.
[23:28.440 -> 23:29.120] Good point, yes.
[23:29.120 -> 23:30.480] In 2026, that will change.
[23:30.480 -> 23:34.520] But the aerodynamic regulations and the tire sizes have changed.
[23:34.520 -> 23:35.800] And there you are correct.
[23:35.800 -> 23:37.320] OK, brilliant.
[23:37.320 -> 23:39.560] Thanks very much for that call, EJ.
[23:39.560 -> 23:42.000] And so the first person, I think,
[23:42.000 -> 23:46.440] the first non-panelist to jump on and contribute to MissedApex podcast,
[23:46.440 -> 23:52.360] certainly in some time. But we have our second, we are joined by Mr. John Cox. John, thanks
[23:52.360 -> 23:56.800] for joining us on the Zoom call. Where are you from, young man? Hello. Hello. Look at
[23:56.800 -> 24:01.560] this classic radio, classic radio. This makes me feel good. The only other classic radio
[24:01.560 -> 24:07.000] thing we could have is to hear the podcast back and we have to say, can you turn your radio down, sir?
[24:07.000 -> 24:08.080] Can you turn your stream down?
[24:08.080 -> 24:13.780] Well, unfortunately, it seems like we don't have John at the moment, but we have lots
[24:13.780 -> 24:15.560] of people lined up.
[24:15.560 -> 24:16.880] It's just a case of trying to get them in.
[24:16.880 -> 24:21.680] We've got WVB here, who's just joined us on the call, and if they can unmute, we'll
[24:21.680 -> 24:26.960] say hello but call us on 08000 845 271 8222
[24:27.920 -> 24:34.080] start your text with the words mist apex who we've got here wvb who's that sir who are you
[24:34.880 -> 24:41.520] it's uh visa ah ah visa in our patron chat group now you are a dutch listener i believe
[24:41.520 -> 24:50.520] our only remaining dutch mist apex listener really I'm the only one left. I'm the sole survivor of the Map for Steppe fan club.
[24:50.520 -> 24:55.600] We are actually charting currently at around 55 in the Netherlands, so they're either
[24:55.600 -> 25:02.320] hate watching or we do in fact have a listenership and we do get lots of really nice emails from
[25:02.320 -> 25:07.400] the Netherlands as well. What's your question or comment? And help me pronounce the name again, Wietse.
[25:07.400 -> 25:08.240] Yeah, good job.
[25:08.240 -> 25:09.200] Yeah, you're learning.
[25:09.200 -> 25:10.320] There we go.
[25:10.320 -> 25:11.280] It's getting better.
[25:11.280 -> 25:15.000] So my question is surprisingly not about Max Verstappen,
[25:15.000 -> 25:16.600] but about Charles Leclerc.
[25:18.080 -> 25:21.440] And has Charles Leclerc learned enough from this year
[25:21.440 -> 25:23.880] to really do an attempt at a championship next year?
[25:23.880 -> 25:30.080] Because I think Leclerc has shown speed, I don't doubt his driving skill, but he also seems a
[25:30.080 -> 25:35.440] little bit too passive in communicating, and contrast that to Carlos Sainz, who seems to be
[25:35.440 -> 25:40.640] a really influencing decision. So is he really ready for a championship attempt?
[25:40.640 -> 25:44.640] That difference on the radio, like Charles Leclerc is kind of like, can we do this thing?
[25:45.000 -> 25:50.120] That difference on the radio, like Charles Leclerc is kind of like, can we do this thing? Oh, okay. Whereas, you know, signs with his stop inventing, you know, where they were
[25:50.120 -> 25:54.120] trying to get them to switch positions or not, I can't even remember what now. But yeah,
[25:54.120 -> 25:58.800] he just on the radio, Carlos signs, stop inventing, stop inventing reasons I have to let Leclerc
[25:58.800 -> 26:04.600] go. And whenever I'm having debates, shall we say, with my good lady wife, I'm using
[26:04.600 -> 26:05.400] that. I've been using
[26:05.400 -> 26:10.320] that since then. I go, stop inventing. And she doesn't, she has no idea that it's a F1
[26:10.320 -> 26:14.040] reference. So I'll get to antagonise her and have a giggle to myself. Always a sign of
[26:14.040 -> 26:18.360] a healthy relationship. Jono, I'm an example to you, really.
[26:18.360 -> 26:21.680] You are. I'm getting prepared for all that. You said I'm getting into my thirties, life's
[26:21.680 -> 26:22.680] gonna be turning downhill.
[26:22.680 -> 26:25.800] It's gonna hit you in the face with a hammer.
[26:25.800 -> 26:27.760] Stupid handsome Aussie face.
[26:27.760 -> 26:29.880] It's also going to happen to Leclerc.
[26:29.880 -> 26:32.520] Life could be, well, not off the track, on the track now.
[26:32.520 -> 26:33.600] Let's make that analogy.
[26:33.600 -> 26:34.840] His life could be turning downhill.
[26:34.840 -> 26:41.280] Now, I think that's a great topic because this year, to me, so far, unless things change,
[26:41.280 -> 26:48.440] Charles Leclerc proved that he can only win a championship if he has the best car. You put Alonso Hamilton, Verstappen or somebody in that Ferrari, I'm
[26:48.440 -> 26:51.640] not saying they win the championship this year, but I say they do a much better job.
[26:51.640 -> 26:55.960] Now, I don't want to eat into a topic we're going to talk later on, but there's a very
[26:55.960 -> 27:01.400] interesting note at the moment in the fact that Mercedes had the best power unit for
[27:01.400 -> 27:05.200] reliability this year and Ferrari had statistically the worst.
[27:05.200 -> 27:11.800] On average, Ferrari used the most MGU-Hs, MGU-Ks amongst the grid on average, because
[27:11.800 -> 27:15.920] I know there was a lot of Ferrari teams there. So, they had the least reliable power unit
[27:15.920 -> 27:20.520] of the four. Now, what's very interesting is we know there's a power unit freeze. Okay.
[27:20.520 -> 27:24.080] And I'm getting back to the Leclerc thing in a sec. But that power unit freeze, you
[27:24.080 -> 27:28.080] can only make modifications to your power unit for reliability reasons.
[27:28.080 -> 27:32.400] What I heard from Pat Simmons, which was very interesting, is he thinks Ferrari have gone,
[27:32.400 -> 27:37.200] let's go full develop this engine to the max and not worry about reliability.
[27:37.200 -> 27:39.760] And over the next three years, let's develop that.
[27:39.760 -> 27:49.580] Now, what happens is you've got a Ferrari that's so quick this year in qualifying over one lap they can push that power unit to the limit but you can't run it over a race distance
[27:49.580 -> 27:52.640] as well and we saw the reliability issues they have.
[27:52.640 -> 27:57.760] Now to get to my point finally is if they develop that reliability you're looking at
[27:57.760 -> 28:01.480] a championship performing power unit over the next three years.
[28:01.480 -> 28:04.880] Mercedes can't improve their performance they can only improve their reliability.
[28:04.880 -> 28:08.760] They're already the most reliable power unit. They're the worst in terms of power this year
[28:08.760 -> 28:09.760] has proven.
[28:09.760 -> 28:10.800] Is it?
[28:10.800 -> 28:14.400] A lot of Mercedes teams struggled this year, I'm telling you, Spanners, out of the three
[28:14.400 -> 28:20.360] teams. So to me, Ferrari have the most potential. And if they figure out their reliability issues,
[28:20.360 -> 28:24.200] Leclerc will finally have a chance to win a world championship, but he has to have the
[28:24.200 -> 28:25.320] best car to do it. He proved this year that if he's in the second best car, it a chance to win a world championship, but he has to have the best car to do it.
[28:25.320 -> 28:28.780] He proved this year that if he's in the second best car, it's going to be a struggle.
[28:28.980 -> 28:36.080] Well, just quickly while we're on engines, you're a F1 driver coming into F1 with a great team next season, Jono.
[28:36.140 -> 28:39.120] So which power unit do you want under you?
[28:39.600 -> 28:46.480] I would 100% pick the Ferrari based on that note. It's the most unreliable, but that's all you can develop until 2026.
[28:46.680 -> 28:49.560] And so if I can develop reliability, I'm going for them.
[28:49.560 -> 28:50.640] I've got the most potential.
[28:50.640 -> 28:52.800] They're going to be the quickest power unit over the next three years
[28:52.800 -> 28:54.600] if they figure out their reliability issues.
[28:54.600 -> 28:58.760] OK, I think, Jono, you should be a Ferrari strategist with that thinking.
[28:58.760 -> 29:00.440] You've taken a look at all the power units.
[29:00.440 -> 29:03.480] You've gone, I like the look of that one that keeps blowing up.
[29:03.640 -> 29:06.320] That's the one for me because it might get better.
[29:06.520 -> 29:07.520] I know.
[29:07.720 -> 29:09.800] I know. Surely not, Matt.
[29:10.000 -> 29:10.840] No, not at all.
[29:10.840 -> 29:13.840] If you were going to pick a power unit right now, you'd you'd take a Honda,
[29:14.040 -> 29:19.160] of course, or a Red Bull racing power unit or whatever they're calling them these days.
[29:19.160 -> 29:21.400] That is that is clearly the best one to have.
[29:21.600 -> 29:28.280] I find it interesting that that Renault has pursued the same strategy that Ferrari have of
[29:28.280 -> 29:31.400] starting out with making the engine powerful and then working
[29:31.400 -> 29:36.200] the reliability into it. And I can tell our listeners that
[29:36.200 -> 29:39.280] Ferrari actually we've already heard some about their updates,
[29:39.280 -> 29:41.880] they're going to have a modified gearbox and clutch housing,
[29:41.880 -> 29:45.520] which should change the attachment elements of some of the inner
[29:45.520 -> 29:46.520] suspension.
[29:46.520 -> 29:51.120] Going to go pushrod front, pullrod rear again.
[29:51.120 -> 29:55.920] And they're going to have a massive evolution of their floor based on the effect of technical
[29:55.920 -> 30:01.920] directive 039, which is what absolutely put an end to their championship chase.
[30:01.920 -> 30:06.320] But talking power units, they are looking very seriously at
[30:06.320 -> 30:07.320] updating the reliability.
[30:07.320 -> 30:12.680] Okay. And Jono, I was being a bit harsh there. I do see, you know, your logic where you're
[30:12.680 -> 30:18.160] saying, where's the low hanging fruit to improve, well, technically it's reliability. I just,
[30:18.160 -> 30:25.880] I think, you know, having developed engineering projects and been part of future systems, reliability can get baked in and
[30:25.880 -> 30:31.160] mistakes can... mistakes or wrong directions can get baked into concepts. I
[30:31.160 -> 30:35.040] don't think it's a case of just taking the reliability separately and working
[30:35.040 -> 30:39.440] on... I think you can have a design and a concept and a workflow and a design flow
[30:39.440 -> 30:44.280] that is inherently unreliable. So if I had to bet, will Ferrari take that
[30:44.280 -> 30:52.000] performance, turn it around and suddenly become the most reliable engine? I'm not going to put my money on that. It's all I'm betting.
[30:52.000 -> 31:05.680] I do agree. Right now, you'd pick the Honda. 100% you'd pick the Honda engine or the Red Bull powertrains, Tag Heuer, whatever the hell it's called these days. But they can put whatever image and sponsor they want. It's a Honda.
[31:08.440 -> 31:09.600] But for future, I think if you're going to take a risk, you have to take the Ferrari.
[31:09.600 -> 31:10.960] Look what they did in qualifying.
[31:10.960 -> 31:14.520] When you can run that power unit to its fullest without worrying
[31:14.520 -> 31:17.640] about reliability, you have the quickest power unit, the quickest
[31:17.640 -> 31:20.160] car, you can do that in the future eventually.
[31:20.160 -> 31:22.600] So, I think you have to buy Ferrari stock.
[31:22.600 -> 31:25.840] And I think if they don't make it work next year, people are going to creep, there's going to be doubts that creep in all this off-track stuff, and I really hope they make it work because I think you have to buy Ferrari stock. And I think if they don't make it work next year, people are going to creep.
[31:25.840 -> 31:28.160] There's going to be doubts that creep in all this off-track stuff.
[31:28.160 -> 31:31.120] And I really hope they make it work because I think that's the championship winning power
[31:31.120 -> 31:32.120] unit.
[31:32.120 -> 31:33.120] Christian?
[31:33.120 -> 31:39.160] Don't forget Alfa Romeo, Haas, and Ferrari was just killing it at the start of the season.
[31:39.160 -> 31:42.040] All the Ferrari teams were just killing it.
[31:42.040 -> 31:46.520] Camreste turned it down a bit, but still in the lead in the
[31:46.520 -> 31:51.960] start of the season. But I want to get back to the Charles Leclerc talk, which the question
[31:51.960 -> 31:59.040] was actually about. There's something about Charles Leclerc, when he's fast, he's so extremely
[31:59.040 -> 32:05.920] fast. But it feels like that this communication between him and the team and just how it all fell apart during
[32:05.920 -> 32:12.880] the last half past of this part of the season, they sort of like disconnected. It feels like that
[32:12.880 -> 32:18.160] when you look at it from the outside and we can only guess of course. But there's something there
[32:18.160 -> 32:26.560] not completely in sync I think. If the Ferrari car starts working, he can do win races, I think Charles Leclerc
[32:26.560 -> 32:31.280] will change a bit. I think there's some mentality thing there when that thing works as well.
[32:31.280 -> 32:35.520] Well, there you go, Veitse. I mean, the panel seems to be in complete agreement. As long
[32:35.520 -> 32:41.560] as they solve the reliability issues that plague them and their inherent not joined
[32:41.560 -> 32:46.760] up thinking and sorts out the strategy department completely.
[32:46.760 -> 32:49.600] Leclerc's in pretty good shape going forward, huh?
[32:49.600 -> 32:53.880] Yeah, I think the team probably didn't help to grow his confidence this year.
[32:53.880 -> 32:57.840] So let's hope they get their act together because it would be better to have another
[32:57.840 -> 33:01.200] team up the front really fighting for the full year.
[33:01.200 -> 33:04.880] What do you make of the way he seems to really berate himself?
[33:04.880 -> 33:10.240] You know, the I am stupid, stupid and screaming down the radio all at himself. It's all very internalized,
[33:10.240 -> 33:16.800] isn't it? It does seem very internalized. I think it's good to be harsh on yourself and reflect on
[33:16.800 -> 33:24.560] yourself. It could also be a little bit too harsh or too open about it. And well, I wonder how does
[33:24.560 -> 33:25.440] he communicate when it when things go badly with his team? We've heard it on And well, I wonder how does he communicate
[33:25.440 -> 33:27.480] when things go badly with his team?
[33:27.480 -> 33:28.600] We've heard it on the radio,
[33:28.600 -> 33:30.960] but how does it work internally?
[33:30.960 -> 33:33.160] Is there a good dialogue or not?
[33:33.160 -> 33:36.360] I'm really hard to gauge it.
[33:36.360 -> 33:38.640] Matt, you can't imagine the clerk going back in,
[33:38.640 -> 33:41.000] kicking over the spit bucket and just, you know,
[33:41.000 -> 33:43.360] kicking off and firing hand gestures
[33:43.360 -> 33:50.240] at the strategy team, can you? Well, well, I'm just not going to answer that question. Instead, I want to bring up
[33:50.240 -> 33:59.280] Abu Dhabi and the strategy for Leclerc as a very positive sign for how Ferrari and Leclerc might
[33:59.280 -> 34:09.360] actually be getting their act a little more together. Because it's very clear that I think Leclerc maybe talked them into that one-stop strategy a little bit
[34:09.640 -> 34:13.360] They absolutely made it work to the point of actually bluffing Perez
[34:14.080 -> 34:19.600] on it on his second in lap and the other thing I want to point out about Leclerc and where I think
[34:19.720 -> 34:22.600] If we're talking about him personally not the team overall
[34:23.240 -> 34:28.160] We saw him out out drive Max on
[34:28.160 -> 34:34.400] track at the early part of the season several times. He's got that in his favor, but what he
[34:34.400 -> 34:42.000] is still continue to do from time to time is even when he has something in hand, he does that center
[34:42.000 -> 34:45.280] thing of I need to go even faster.
[34:45.280 -> 34:48.000] And then he goes a little too fast and winds up in a wall.
[34:48.000 -> 34:52.960] And that to me, I want to know if he's tamed that instinct because I think that is the
[34:52.960 -> 34:55.000] only thing that could keep him from winning a championship.
[34:55.000 -> 34:56.680] It's a tickly throat there, Christian.
[34:56.680 -> 34:57.680] What was it?
[34:57.680 -> 34:58.680] Yeah, I don't know.
[34:58.680 -> 34:59.680] France.
[34:59.680 -> 35:00.680] France.
[35:00.680 -> 35:01.680] I don't know.
[35:01.680 -> 35:03.360] There's a lot of incidents you could point to.
[35:03.360 -> 35:05.200] And I think I haven't seen any stats,
[35:05.200 -> 35:10.760] but Mick Schumacher aside, do you reckon the clerk has the most Friday spins?
[35:10.760 -> 35:14.960] He seems to come out of the box, and the amount of times he sticks it in the wall on a Friday
[35:14.960 -> 35:17.800] is quite alarming for a top driver.
[35:17.800 -> 35:21.760] Yeah, well, there we go.
[35:21.760 -> 35:22.760] So how was it going?
[35:22.760 -> 35:23.880] That's funny, it's a good point.
[35:23.880 -> 35:27.280] I wish there were Friday Spins stats.
[35:27.280 -> 35:30.240] There are overtake stats, Christian's got those, I can't wait to talk about that a little
[35:30.240 -> 35:31.240] later on.
[35:31.240 -> 35:34.080] Okay, well in that case, why don't we just take, because I think we've got one more caller
[35:34.080 -> 35:40.120] in our queue here, and we do have John Cox, who we tried to speak to earlier, and I think
[35:40.120 -> 35:44.960] we've got him on a better connection now, but hey, that's live radio kids.
[35:44.960 -> 35:48.040] Do we have me on a better connection now? Hello there Mr. Cox and where are
[35:48.040 -> 35:52.320] you from young man you sound like one of those American chaps. I am I'm from the
[35:52.320 -> 35:56.800] lovely state of California. Ah so it's nice and hot there so you are in a hot
[35:56.800 -> 36:01.800] weather land. Yes I am standing actually outside my parents house in shorts and a
[36:01.800 -> 36:09.000] t-shirt. Now you do our iRacing as, a second iRacer to come and join us. So you are not a new F1 fan.
[36:09.000 -> 36:14.000] How are you feeling about no longer being a freak as an American F1 fan?
[36:14.000 -> 36:17.960] Because you and Matt used to be like like rocking horse poop, didn't you?
[36:17.960 -> 36:23.960] Like almost impossible. Yeah, yeah, the American F1 fans were truly
[36:23.960 -> 36:27.600] unicorns. I never met one out in the wild
[36:27.600 -> 36:32.480] until I was actually in Las Vegas and went down to the sports book and watched a race
[36:32.480 -> 36:36.960] in the middle of the night. And there was one other gentleman there who was a nice Englishman
[36:36.960 -> 36:41.880] and we were high-fiving over Hamilton's passes. And that was like the greatest moment of my
[36:41.880 -> 36:47.880] life because I met a fellow F1 fan. So that would have been like 2010. And now they're everywhere. And because of that, I tried to get tickets
[36:47.880 -> 36:52.680] to the Las Vegas race. They're $2,000 and you can't even get them if you want them.
[36:52.680 -> 36:57.640] Whoa, sorry, what kind of tickets? Las Vegas, but what was that? General admission? Was
[36:57.640 -> 36:59.360] that a stand?
[36:59.360 -> 37:07.600] That was the cheapest tickets they would show me were $2,000. No. And apparently what's happening, maybe you guys already covered this, but apparently
[37:07.600 -> 37:12.800] what's happening is that all of the hotels are getting their own grandstands and they
[37:12.800 -> 37:14.640] have full control over who gets those seats.
[37:14.640 -> 37:19.440] So it's like, rather than me being able to buy a grandstand in front of Caesar's Palace,
[37:19.440 -> 37:27.640] I need to be one of their premier customers and buy their $30,000 package where I get a suite and a couple seats
[37:27.640 -> 37:29.800] and some nice dinners.
[37:29.800 -> 37:30.800] It's insane.
[37:30.800 -> 37:32.800] It's an insane cash grab.
[37:32.800 -> 37:36.460] Jono, I've seen you've been on doing more TV and video stuff.
[37:36.460 -> 37:37.460] You must have some cash.
[37:37.460 -> 37:38.460] Can you lend me $2,000?
[37:38.460 -> 37:39.460] Please, Spanners, don't talk.
[37:39.460 -> 37:44.000] You're the one who's got the most cash, surely, out of all of us right now.
[37:44.000 -> 37:48.920] But Vegas, I swear, you could solve world hunger with the amount of money that they're
[37:48.920 -> 37:51.120] sending tickets across to people.
[37:51.120 -> 37:52.720] Like, two grand for the cheapest?
[37:52.720 -> 37:53.720] That's insane.
[37:53.720 -> 37:58.680] I know Grandstand goes on sale, I think, tomorrow or the day after for the Australian Grand
[37:58.680 -> 37:59.680] Prix.
[37:59.680 -> 38:03.920] And I'm like, my bank account is going to be absolutely smothered after I spend money
[38:03.920 -> 38:04.920] on that.
[38:04.920 -> 38:06.800] I'm like, ugh, I need to find a way to get into corporate.
[38:08.560 -> 38:09.880] But was that your...
[38:09.880 -> 38:10.880] Was that pretty expensive?
[38:10.880 -> 38:14.680] Because my wife and I are, you know, we dream of an Australia trip
[38:14.680 -> 38:17.360] and I always lean towards like, oh, you know, we'll go for the race.
[38:17.360 -> 38:19.440] But is that just out of control expensive now, too?
[38:20.200 -> 38:21.840] Well, I think it's the average price.
[38:21.840 -> 38:26.840] So you're looking at 400 to 600 AUD, which is, I don't know, what, like 300, 400 American?
[38:26.840 -> 38:29.400] So much better than Vegas, I'll tell you that much.
[38:29.400 -> 38:30.400] Yeah.
[38:30.400 -> 38:35.120] It's just, it's just, it's crazy how much it's expanded because, yeah, I think in 2013,
[38:35.120 -> 38:40.540] I bought weekend general admission tickets for Silverstone for 300 quid, and then ended
[38:40.540 -> 38:43.200] up getting a grandstand for the race for 80.
[38:43.200 -> 38:45.120] And I don't think you could get a sniff.
[38:45.120 -> 38:47.880] I don't think they let you drive past Silverstone
[38:47.880 -> 38:49.160] for that kind of money anymore.
[38:49.160 -> 38:51.760] And even when you look at some of the European venues,
[38:51.760 -> 38:53.440] where you go, well, it used to be,
[38:53.440 -> 38:56.840] oh, it's cheaper to get on a plane and watch such and such,
[38:56.840 -> 38:58.520] and you've still got enough left over
[38:58.520 -> 39:01.760] for a packet of crisps and a night of blackjack.
[39:01.760 -> 39:04.400] But that is increasingly not the case anymore,
[39:04.400 -> 39:09.920] as people spread out and take advantage of some of the cheaper European venues and still no Copenhagen
[39:09.920 -> 39:13.360] Grand Prix though Christian. Probably won't happen either.
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[40:49.360 -> 40:56.080] But I just want to make a point. I read somewhere that this whole sustainability thing for Formula
[40:56.080 -> 41:00.640] One is going to be like a grand thing in Las Vegas. Everything they built there,
[41:00.640 -> 41:04.800] they're going to build like a Formula One museum sort of with a big logo on top.
[41:04.800 -> 41:05.440] they built there, they're going to build like a Formula One museum sort of with a big logo on top
[41:10.800 -> 41:15.760] and everything will be built from sustainable things, so recycled things and stuff like that. And then they had like a forum where they talked about how can we make Formula One more sustainable
[41:15.760 -> 41:21.760] and someone made the argument that, well, Formula One is probably the most sustainable sport in the
[41:21.760 -> 41:27.700] world because everyone watching it will stay home. So the more we can get to stay home, the more sustainable we will be.
[41:27.700 -> 41:31.460] And all the bosses were like, yeah, that would look good in the spreadsheets.
[41:31.460 -> 41:36.940] So we could possibly be looking at a Formula One in the future where all the rich folks,
[41:36.940 -> 41:42.820] where the circus is financed from all the rich folks going to these venues and we, the
[41:42.820 -> 41:46.400] peeps can watch them at home having champagne.
[41:46.400 -> 41:50.920] Steve Jobs, not Steve Jobs, Tim Cook actually was, the way he did the flag thing, we need
[41:50.920 -> 41:51.920] more of that, of course.
[41:51.920 -> 41:52.920] Oh, God.
[41:52.920 -> 41:53.920] Jono.
[41:53.920 -> 41:54.920] You know what?
[41:54.920 -> 41:59.000] I'm going to take one of my favorite quotes ever said on this podcast from Christian Pedersen
[41:59.000 -> 42:04.760] himself, which was, if we don't have those people, it becomes Formula Two.
[42:04.760 -> 42:05.600] It's totally right. We have to have those people, it becomes Formula 2. And it's totally right.
[42:05.600 -> 42:08.680] We have to have those people on board as sad as it is.
[42:08.680 -> 42:10.880] I remember my rant this year for the Australian Grand Prix.
[42:10.880 -> 42:13.800] I was like, why the hell am I walking around the track like a little peasant,
[42:13.800 -> 42:15.560] you know, and all this kind of stuff I was saying.
[42:15.560 -> 42:16.480] And it's true.
[42:16.480 -> 42:17.720] We just have to deal with it.
[42:17.720 -> 42:21.120] And, you know, that's what makes Formula 1 so great is the corporate money.
[42:21.120 -> 42:24.880] Quick thing, we reviewed this year, this is a season review podcast,
[42:24.880 -> 42:30.720] but for next year's calendar, we bring back China, we bring back Qatar, Las Vegas as well,
[42:30.720 -> 42:36.880] and you know, we've got 24 races on the calendar. Now, I don't want to get into that debate, but is
[42:36.880 -> 42:44.080] too many races annoying? Yes, it's too many. I think China is all but cancelled, and if you keep
[42:44.080 -> 42:46.480] an eye on the news and then what's kicking off over there at the moment, but cancelled, and if you keep an eye on the news and what's kicking
[42:46.480 -> 42:48.320] off over there at the moment.
[42:48.320 -> 42:52.280] But John, we kind of completely derailed that, but yeah, I was just making the point that
[42:52.280 -> 42:57.640] we used to wheel Matt out as like a token American who knew stuff about Formula One,
[42:57.640 -> 43:02.840] and now Matt's not special at all, and soon to be replaced permanently by Chris or, I
[43:02.840 -> 43:04.280] don't know, Kyle.
[43:04.280 -> 43:06.400] But what was your actual comment, John?
[43:06.400 -> 43:07.400] You never got to it.
[43:07.400 -> 43:08.400] Your comment or question?
[43:08.400 -> 43:13.200] Oh, you know, I don't have no questions because you guys keep me so well informed.
[43:13.200 -> 43:15.920] Okay, a little question.
[43:15.920 -> 43:22.280] I felt at the end of Abu Dhabi like I was just kind of just down, like, okay, I'm ready
[43:22.280 -> 43:23.280] for the season to be over.
[43:23.280 -> 43:25.900] Like, it just kind of went out with a whimper i don't know if it's like.
[43:26.120 -> 43:30.480] You say number of races or the dominant red bull or.
[43:31.420 -> 43:42.300] I don't know i'm so i'm looking for encouraging you guys are very positive so far this episode so i'm wondering if anybody felt similar let's try to get down christian i don't know show me up show me up please.
[43:41.000 -> 43:42.000] I don't know. Cheer me up.
[43:42.000 -> 43:43.000] Cheer me up, please.
[43:43.000 -> 43:50.560] I used to watch every practice session, everything, read all the articles, go into dev, blah,
[43:50.560 -> 43:51.560] blah, blah.
[43:51.560 -> 43:56.640] This is my first year in maybe 10 years, I haven't watched all the practices live.
[43:56.640 -> 44:00.040] I've catched up on most of them, but this is my first year.
[44:00.040 -> 44:06.640] And actually, when we, the last time we did the last race, it was like, finally some peace.
[44:06.640 -> 44:09.520] Because you're sort of like bound to follow it.
[44:09.520 -> 44:11.680] You can't be half a fan.
[44:11.680 -> 44:14.280] You can only be true fan or not fan.
[44:14.280 -> 44:15.440] So you have to pick a side.
[44:15.440 -> 44:19.280] And maybe 24 is just a tiny bit over the edge.
[44:19.280 -> 44:21.860] Yeah, my situation was totally the same.
[44:21.860 -> 44:23.000] This is one of the first years.
[44:23.000 -> 44:26.800] I don't think I've ever missed this many live F1 sessions
[44:26.800 -> 44:30.000] in a single season ever in my whole life being a fan.
[44:30.000 -> 44:32.000] I would actually be watching stuff like the next day.
[44:32.000 -> 44:34.040] I'd be like, oh, let's catch up on practice on my phone.
[44:34.040 -> 44:36.400] I'll just load it up quickly and have a watch for an hour
[44:36.400 -> 44:37.760] as I'm traveling somewhere.
[44:37.760 -> 44:41.840] But to me, it's completely saturated with races.
[44:41.840 -> 44:43.000] Doesn't mean we can't enjoy it.
[44:43.000 -> 44:44.120] Now, let me tell you this.
[44:44.120 -> 44:47.140] If the race went down like last year to the final race, so the
[44:47.140 -> 44:50.420] championship went down to the final race, one point we'd enjoy it.
[44:50.420 -> 44:54.420] There's, there's no question about it, but I think, you know, the only way to
[44:54.420 -> 44:59.080] control this is to make less races, but increase the race fee, then we lose the
[44:59.080 -> 45:01.840] good tracks because a lot of the historical tracks can't afford that.
[45:02.020 -> 45:06.320] At the moment, F1 is not going to reduce the amount of races on the calendar because that means more money.
[45:07.040 -> 45:07.840] Matt, go on then.
[45:08.800 -> 45:15.040] Well, I want to address a specific issue about it. I'm not even sure it's the number of races,
[45:15.040 -> 45:22.560] but it's the number of times we had one or two or even three races each weekend instead of having a
[45:22.560 -> 45:25.500] weekend off in between them. Yeah, tripleheaders. Was there four tripleheaders?
[45:25.500 -> 45:31.360] I don't even remember, but to me that contributed a lot to the fatigue.
[45:31.360 -> 45:33.480] But I think Jono is correct.
[45:33.480 -> 45:40.560] As we look forward to even more better wheel-to-wheel battles and racing, we may not mind having
[45:40.560 -> 45:41.920] that to watch so much.
[45:41.920 -> 45:45.140] I have to say, I think there's too many races until
[45:45.140 -> 45:50.020] there's not a race on at the weekend and then I'm desperate for some F1 action.
[45:50.020 -> 45:54.280] So let's talk in a week's time. Yeah exactly. Formula One, no they've got me by the
[45:54.280 -> 45:58.220] short and curlies because I'll watch every race they put on from from now
[45:58.220 -> 46:02.960] until I'm dead. But thank you very much for that call John Cox and I think so
[46:02.960 -> 46:06.000] far this has been really, really enjoyable hearing
[46:06.000 -> 46:10.920] from people. It's kind of nice not necessarily knowing what direction the topics are going
[46:10.920 -> 46:15.440] to go in. We've got all off-season to talk about stuff and what we find from our Mailbag
[46:15.440 -> 46:20.520] shows is, and what we're finding today, is that people have an interesting direction
[46:20.520 -> 46:25.260] to set the panel off. We have a very rich vein, a rich resource in our
[46:25.260 -> 46:29.660] listeners, so why not use that as part of the conversation. But I think this show
[46:29.660 -> 46:34.520] shows that people will call in and speak to us, so I hope to do this kind of
[46:34.520 -> 46:39.260] thing more often. And we have as a last caller today, because I definitely want
[46:39.260 -> 46:42.260] to get to a Christian's topic where we're going to kind of review the
[46:42.260 -> 46:51.520] direction the FIA set us on for 2022 and how they did. But firstly we have, and lastly, we have Maria. So Maria,
[46:51.520 -> 46:55.520] hello, where are you joining us from? Hello, I'm joining you from Greece.
[46:55.520 -> 47:01.360] Oh look at that. So we have had the Netherlands, we have had America land, we've had Denmark,
[47:01.360 -> 47:07.000] and now Greece, to sprinkle us with an international flavour. How are
[47:07.000 -> 47:08.640] things currently going in Greece?
[47:08.640 -> 47:11.920] It's hot, I would say, for November.
[47:11.920 -> 47:14.000] Is it ever not hot in Greece?
[47:14.000 -> 47:20.600] Yes, it should be raining and being cold by now, but it's only just the last week that
[47:20.600 -> 47:23.000] we really see the winter coming.
[47:23.000 -> 47:29.480] Okay, well, you can always take a trip to the UK where I am assured it is absolutely miserable,
[47:29.480 -> 47:32.120] windy and wet. So if you need some relief, hop on a plane.
[47:32.120 -> 47:34.640] And drizzling and continuously, continually drizzling.
[47:34.640 -> 47:40.560] Yep, we have the most...interesting fact, I believe the UK has the most days of cloud
[47:40.560 -> 47:45.800] cover of anywhere in the world. What a claim to fame! If you ever want to know
[47:45.800 -> 47:51.760] why British people look miserable and braced against stuff the whole time, it's because
[47:51.760 -> 47:56.680] Britain is wet, damp and dark. Maria, what's your question or comment? How have you enjoyed
[47:56.680 -> 47:57.680] the season?
[47:57.680 -> 48:00.920] Maria Tiscarelli When I enjoyed the first part, although it
[48:00.920 -> 48:05.840] was a little bit difficult for us Mercedes fans to watch the struggle
[48:05.840 -> 48:11.640] that the team has been through, but I really enjoyed the first part because of the battles
[48:11.640 -> 48:14.560] between Leclerc and Max Verstappen.
[48:14.560 -> 48:18.880] So much potential. Leclerc had it wrapped up, we forget, don't we? Leclerc had it wrapped
[48:18.880 -> 48:19.880] up.
[48:19.880 -> 48:28.160] Not only that, I was very impressed because I think Leclerc outfoxed Max most of the time.
[48:28.160 -> 48:34.440] I think his racecraft is slightly more clever and more wide.
[48:34.440 -> 48:35.440] Maybe I am wrong.
[48:35.440 -> 48:36.440] I am probably wrong.
[48:36.440 -> 48:40.920] But that's the impression I got from the first race.
[48:40.920 -> 48:45.280] A lot of the early season chat was about how respectfully and how well
[48:45.280 -> 48:51.280] Verstappen and Leclerc were racing each other and what a contrast it was to 2021. I don't know if
[48:51.280 -> 48:57.600] it's a bit previous to kind of say, oh Leclerc had bested Verstappen in those early exchanges,
[48:57.600 -> 49:02.080] because it never really got a chance to mature, did it Matt? Much to its great shame. And even
[49:02.080 -> 49:09.040] in that time where they were competitive, didn't Verstappen have two DNFs? You know, we forget that he had like two DNFs out of
[49:09.040 -> 49:11.920] those early six races where things were close.
[49:11.920 -> 49:18.400] Well, they did. And the Red Bull was certainly a heavier car and did not have the same advantages
[49:18.400 -> 49:24.000] it had later on. But what I will say is I think in large part, Maria is correct in that
[49:24.000 -> 49:26.480] when we did see on track battling
[49:26.480 -> 49:32.880] it was not just that Leclerc with a faster car made DRS passes but it was that he he in the
[49:32.880 -> 49:37.200] several occasions we saw and I'm thinking really about the first races he was out thinking Max
[49:37.200 -> 49:45.600] about how to use DRS zones when to hold back when to be front. It was those kinds of racecraft things that I think was
[49:45.600 -> 49:50.400] noticeable to everyone paying attention. Max learned fast, of course. You know, he would
[49:50.400 -> 49:55.840] watch the next lap around and he figured out what Leclerc had done. But when the two of them were
[49:55.840 -> 50:00.480] at it for the first time, I think maybe you do give a slight edge to Charles here.
[50:00.480 -> 50:04.400] Yeah, but could he sustain that over a season, Maria? What do you think?
[50:01.000 -> 50:05.080] Charles here. Yeah, but could he sustain that over a season, Maria? What do you think?
[50:05.080 -> 50:10.000] I don't know. I am hoping that we will find... No, I don't hope we will find the next year
[50:10.000 -> 50:15.880] because I hope that Mercedes will win the championship. So I don't want to learn. I
[50:15.880 -> 50:18.200] don't know. I couldn't fathom that.
[50:18.200 -> 50:23.360] That's interesting. You know, for us neutrals, of course, you know, it's win-win. But look,
[50:23.360 -> 50:26.080] from a Mercedes point of view, I don't think we've mentioned Mercedes, Maria.
[50:26.080 -> 50:29.960] Obviously, a very, very difficult start to the season.
[50:30.520 -> 50:33.280] But it does look a little hopeful, doesn't it?
[50:34.160 -> 50:37.120] My question was about Mercedes.
[50:37.120 -> 50:41.880] It is a two-part question because I am talking with Matt and you have to make a two-part question.
[50:41.880 -> 50:42.480] At least.
[50:49.600 -> 50:50.600] I am listening to other podcasts too. I'm sorry Spanners.
[50:50.600 -> 50:51.600] I know I shouldn't.
[50:51.600 -> 50:52.600] I'm very sorry.
[50:52.600 -> 50:54.320] And we're going to have to cut Maria off there.
[50:54.320 -> 50:55.320] That's the end of...
[50:55.320 -> 50:59.080] No, go on, carry on, carry on.
[50:59.080 -> 51:05.280] Everybody's saying that Mercedes is quite a strong team and they have procedure on which είναι μια αρκετή στήριξη και έχουν μια διαδικασία με την οποία ο Τότογουλφ είναι πολύ εμπιστευτής
[51:05.280 -> 51:09.720] ότι μπορούν να επιστρέψουν τις ελπίδες τους στο επόμενο χρόνο.
[51:09.720 -> 51:17.400] Αλλά έπιζα ότι ίσως η τελευταία δεκαετία τους επιτυχίας
[51:17.400 -> 51:28.240] τους έχει κορνατήσει σε ένα συγκεκριμένο τύπο εργασίας. certain type of function. They are always trying to find the time in the most complicated,
[51:28.240 -> 51:36.040] the most obscure places. And I think that this era of F1 is more about simplifying things.
[51:36.040 -> 51:45.780] And I don't know if Mercedes is quite adaptable to that. that at the first stages. Christian, I mean, the phrase is probably
[51:45.780 -> 51:49.400] when your success masks failure
[51:49.400 -> 51:53.620] and like being too successful can lead you down bad roads
[51:53.620 -> 51:55.220] because you kind of get away with it.
[51:55.220 -> 51:58.840] It's like being an extremely attractive person
[51:58.840 -> 52:00.720] and you can just get away with stuff
[52:00.720 -> 52:02.920] because no one tells you that you're sounding stupid
[52:02.920 -> 52:04.800] because they want to hang out with you because you're hot.
[52:04.800 -> 52:06.240] Obviously a problem you and I have
[52:06.240 -> 52:12.080] had a lot over the years, Christian. Numerous times. Maybe one.
[52:12.080 -> 52:19.440] Maybe one time. Anyway, I just want to add that I think we should get ready to see a
[52:19.440 -> 52:25.880] new, well at least a new element to to the thing that is Formula One.
[52:25.880 -> 52:31.080] And that element is how do you control a team within the cost cap?
[52:31.080 -> 52:41.120] So last year, I think Mercedes, or was it this year, they made 70 million pounds extra
[52:41.120 -> 52:50.120] of profit in the team. So for Mercedes, they have a team that is basically just profits and brand value.
[52:50.120 -> 52:56.080] So if you can get Toto to control that team in a way they can keep winning with the same
[52:56.080 -> 53:00.960] amount of money as Ferrari and Sauber and Williams and stuff like that, then you will
[53:00.960 -> 53:02.160] be the true champ.
[53:02.160 -> 53:07.000] And I'm not sure we have seen it truly shine through yet.
[53:08.520 -> 53:10.560] I think in the next two or three years,
[53:10.560 -> 53:13.960] we will see things completely change in Formula One.
[53:13.960 -> 53:16.280] Maybe the big teams will stay up there,
[53:16.280 -> 53:19.200] but we will see them challenged in a different way, I think.
[53:19.200 -> 53:20.680] And I just have to clarify that, you know,
[53:20.680 -> 53:23.760] some of the teams are within the cost cap, Christian.
[53:23.760 -> 53:26.440] So not everyone's got exactly the same.
[53:26.440 -> 53:27.840] Exactly the same.
[53:27.840 -> 53:28.840] Matt?
[53:28.840 -> 53:31.640] That was the second part of my question, actually.
[53:31.640 -> 53:34.880] Go on then, fire it at Matt.
[53:34.880 -> 53:35.880] About the cost cap.
[53:35.880 -> 53:38.480] And it is directed to you, actually, Spanis.
[53:38.480 -> 53:39.960] I may be wrong.
[53:39.960 -> 53:48.820] I am very often wrong, but I had the impression that you avoided to expand a lot on the cost,
[53:48.820 -> 53:50.620] the whole cost gap saga.
[53:50.620 -> 53:55.080] It was a conscious decision.
[53:55.080 -> 53:57.480] And I want to make a disclaimer there.
[53:57.480 -> 54:10.320] I don't think that the Red Bull made a huge amount of overspending of gain. If we take the data we have on face value, that's
[54:10.320 -> 54:17.440] it. That's it. And I've noticed that in the Slack group, we make, we made a field day
[54:17.440 -> 54:26.720] of it, of course, not only a day, some weeks. But on the podcast you were quite reluctant to expand on it.
[54:26.720 -> 54:33.000] Not reluctant, but if you follow me on Twitter, at SpannersReady, you know, I made a few of
[54:33.000 -> 54:34.000] my friends.
[54:34.000 -> 54:36.600] I don't follow Twitter. No, I don't want to follow Twitter.
[54:36.600 -> 54:47.560] So yeah, of course, of course. Yeah, I felt a little bit miffed, you know, that the focus was on what Red Bull's punishment
[54:47.560 -> 54:53.620] should have been, when really the focus should have been on what did the teams that stayed
[54:53.620 -> 54:58.160] within the cost cap, what was the effect it had on them? So what could Mercedes have done
[54:58.160 -> 55:03.920] with that extra budget, whether it's small or big, or whether it was spent on sushi or
[55:03.920 -> 55:06.800] Volvons or a new front wing, the focus
[55:06.800 -> 55:11.500] for me should have been, well Mercedes never got the opportunity to try. They never got
[55:11.500 -> 55:16.760] the chance to try what would have been like to spend an extra £100,000, a million pounds,
[55:16.760 -> 55:21.780] whatever it was. What if they had a chance to do a tax rebate thing and risk whether
[55:21.780 -> 55:25.280] it came in on time? You know, the focus was all
[55:25.280 -> 55:30.200] on what punishment should Red Bull get and not... it's a bit unfair to the teams
[55:30.200 -> 55:34.760] that stayed within the cap and I will say maybe the reason I held my tongue a
[55:34.760 -> 55:40.520] little bit was if you'd have said to me one team has gone over in 13 different
[55:40.520 -> 55:44.960] areas of their cost cap or whatever or in 13 areas have under-reported what
[55:44.960 -> 55:45.040] they've
[55:45.040 -> 55:50.160] eventually been found out, which team would we all have guessed it was going to be?
[55:50.160 -> 55:55.960] And so, there comes a point where if you keep banging on about, if you keep pointing out
[55:55.960 -> 56:00.520] all the things that one team is doing, you look like you're on a hate campaign against
[56:00.520 -> 56:05.760] Red Bull. But to me, I keep looking at it and they kind of, they've got this kind of
[56:05.760 -> 56:13.280] gish gallop swarm approach to Formula One where they just say outrageous stuff. Marco, Horner,
[56:13.280 -> 56:17.600] Verstappen, they do outrageous stuff. They say thing after thing after thing. And if you keep
[56:17.600 -> 56:23.200] going after them, you just sound like a lunatic and a madman for just continually going after one
[56:23.200 -> 56:26.000] team. And, you know, and I'm gonna get comments
[56:26.000 -> 56:27.560] in the YouTube comments, of course,
[56:27.560 -> 56:31.520] but I think, you know, that tactic that we see
[56:31.520 -> 56:34.720] in some forms of media and politics, Matt,
[56:34.720 -> 56:38.160] where it's just, you just keep throwing things out
[56:38.160 -> 56:39.560] as aggressively as possible,
[56:39.560 -> 56:42.040] and your detractors sound quite mad,
[56:42.040 -> 56:43.840] like I kind of am on this rant.
[56:43.840 -> 56:44.800] Thanks, Maria.
[56:44.800 -> 56:45.000] Sorry, go on, rant. Thanks Maria.
[56:45.000 -> 56:46.000] Sorry, go on Matt.
[56:46.000 -> 56:47.000] Come back.
[56:47.000 -> 56:48.000] Am I insane?
[56:48.000 -> 56:52.360] Are you insane or are you wrong?
[56:52.360 -> 56:55.120] Maybe these are different questions and we should address them thusly.
[56:55.120 -> 56:56.840] I don't know.
[56:56.840 -> 57:05.000] I want to bring up, because I know Aston Martin was guilty of is nearly...
[57:05.000 -> 57:09.680] And more serious than the Red Bull ones.
[57:09.680 -> 57:11.400] Categorical errors in their accounting.
[57:11.400 -> 57:16.120] But what they did right and Red Bull did wrong was they didn't violate the actual total amount
[57:16.120 -> 57:17.560] they were allowed to spend.
[57:17.560 -> 57:23.600] So in this, I think I'm almost beginning to be inclined to see that Aston and Red Bull
[57:23.600 -> 57:25.360] pursued a very aggressive strategy
[57:25.360 -> 57:30.320] of finding out what they could get away with, to the point where they were willing to accept,
[57:30.800 -> 57:36.240] you know, to be found out to see what they could get away with. But I think, kind of like Brazil,
[57:36.240 -> 57:41.520] where Red Bull was weirdly off form, Red Bull actually got the number wrong. And that's what
[57:41.520 -> 57:50.040] got people so upset. If Red Bull had been found guilty in the same way Aston was, but they hadn't overspent,
[57:50.040 -> 57:53.920] it would have been left to the lunatics to be going, but hey, wait a minute, they did
[57:53.920 -> 57:59.200] this entirely different than the eight other teams who made a real effort to not make any
[57:59.200 -> 58:03.440] of these kind of categorical errors in how they filed their expenses.
[58:03.440 -> 58:07.460] I think what Spanis just said is so true.
[58:07.460 -> 58:13.620] And I think you can see it actually also in the Formula One paddock that people just stopped
[58:13.620 -> 58:14.620] commenting on it.
[58:14.620 -> 58:15.620] Yeah.
[58:15.620 -> 58:18.700] It just basically just evaporated from the paddock.
[58:18.700 -> 58:21.380] And everyone's like, okay, now it's enough now.
[58:21.380 -> 58:26.560] And who made a defamation suit against McLaren just recently for that
[58:26.560 -> 58:31.360] letter Zach Brown sent? Who was talking about a defamation suit? I'm not sure if it's been
[58:32.080 -> 58:38.720] filed yet, but Red Bull is talking about making a defamation suit against Zach Brown for that
[58:38.720 -> 58:47.600] letter. So I mean, they haven't learned anything, at least. And I'm just... Yeah, I'm going to stop talking about that now.
[58:47.600 -> 58:50.900] Maria, is the answer somewhat satisfactory?
[58:50.900 -> 58:54.900] I think as a caller, you've done very well to get me to go,
[58:54.900 -> 58:56.400] Right! That's it!
[58:56.400 -> 59:01.400] Yes, it was an answer that I suspected as much,
[59:01.400 -> 59:06.080] and I think that you were right to do that, to behave like
[59:06.080 -> 59:11.880] that, because indeed we sound like the crazy guys in the company.
[59:11.880 -> 59:13.760] Matt, you had one last thing on that?
[59:13.760 -> 59:19.440] Well, I just had wanted to mention to Maria that Summers and I had actually talked a bit
[59:19.440 -> 59:26.240] about your Mercedes speculation, sort of, you might call it the sunk cost fallacy, in that they can occasionally be a
[59:26.240 -> 59:32.640] bit stubborn about their design choices if they think they can make it work out. I think next
[59:32.640 -> 59:41.040] season will be a real test of their internal flexibility versus their devotion to this design.
[59:42.080 -> 59:42.920] to this design. Jonah?
[59:44.280 -> 59:46.560] You know, to add on to both topics,
[59:46.560 -> 59:50.440] number one is Mercedes now, and Maria's right,
[59:50.440 -> 59:53.360] they have to learn how to make a successful team
[59:53.360 -> 59:54.600] under budget cap rules,
[59:54.600 -> 59:57.360] which they didn't do too badly last year.
[59:57.360 -> 59:59.320] So yes, they have less of a budget,
[59:59.320 -> 01:00:00.680] but I think they're doing a good job.
[01:00:00.680 -> 01:00:02.240] Maybe they do need to make some adjustments.
[01:00:02.240 -> 01:00:04.000] I think it's best to ask somebody from Mercedes
[01:00:04.000 -> 01:00:07.760] that question because they know best what they do, in a sense. The next
[01:00:07.760 -> 01:00:11.920] thing is the cost cap stuff. Let's move on.
[01:00:11.920 -> 01:00:17.600] We can move on. I was going to, it's all Maria's fault. Maria, thank you very much. Enjoy your
[01:00:17.600 -> 01:00:24.920] November sun. We're all very jealous of you there. Brilliant. So before we go, and I think
[01:00:24.920 -> 01:00:25.760] we're coming to the end of, well, we're So before we go, and I think we're coming
[01:00:25.760 -> 01:00:30.600] to the end of, well, we're calling it the season review really, but we've kind of gone
[01:00:30.600 -> 01:00:36.000] with the flow of our listeners here, which has been fantastic. Christian, you were putting
[01:00:36.000 -> 01:00:46.800] the FIA on review. And before we do this, you know, it's much easier to be critical of people who are trying stuff
[01:00:46.800 -> 01:00:53.600] and who are doing things out in the real world. Very easy from your sofa to be negative. And
[01:00:53.600 -> 01:00:57.960] the thing is, it's actually from a content point of view, if you are equally as positive
[01:00:57.960 -> 01:01:01.800] or negative, the positive things don't last very long because you're just going, yes,
[01:01:01.800 -> 01:01:08.560] I agree, that's good. And then the negative things take a little bit longer to dissect. So it can sound like you're being very critical.
[01:01:08.560 -> 01:01:14.360] I think first things first, Christian, the FIA have tried a lot of stuff and they've
[01:01:14.360 -> 01:01:20.960] reacted, I think, to the increasing demand for more action, for following. I think we
[01:01:20.960 -> 01:01:26.000] can say overall, they have been inventive and have shown initiative.
[01:01:26.000 -> 01:01:29.000] They're not sitting still. They're not sitting on our hands.
[01:01:29.000 -> 01:01:31.000] So we can start from that base, can't we?
[01:01:31.000 -> 01:01:37.000] Sure. I mean, I believe in the FIA.
[01:01:37.000 -> 01:01:41.000] And I believe actually when this season started,
[01:01:41.000 -> 01:01:46.480] things were muddy because of Abu Dhabi last year.
[01:01:46.480 -> 01:01:50.760] We had a new leader of the FIA, Bin Salaim.
[01:01:50.760 -> 01:01:56.820] There was something about the jewelry and all that stuff, Saudi Arabia started the season.
[01:01:56.820 -> 01:02:01.540] But actually, I think if you just see FIA on the last half of the season, they have
[01:02:01.540 -> 01:02:03.320] been much more transparent.
[01:02:03.320 -> 01:02:06.780] They have been much more, they've been quicker.
[01:02:06.780 -> 01:02:12.600] They have been open about what they're thinking and talking about. And also, if you read our
[01:02:12.600 -> 01:02:20.860] good uncle Joe's letters, you will know there's an old bureaucratic approach to FIA that the
[01:02:20.860 -> 01:02:25.840] new leaders have to get sort of rid of. So within a couple of years,
[01:02:25.840 -> 01:02:29.600] the new crew at FIA will have the possibility
[01:02:29.600 -> 01:02:31.360] to do what they wanna do.
[01:02:31.360 -> 01:02:34.200] And I see all the right signs.
[01:02:34.200 -> 01:02:35.920] And one of them, I'm not,
[01:02:35.920 -> 01:02:37.760] are we gonna talk about the overtaking now?
[01:02:37.760 -> 01:02:38.680] Yeah, yeah, go for it, man.
[01:02:38.680 -> 01:02:39.640] Yeah, okay, cool.
[01:02:39.640 -> 01:02:43.040] So the meaning of, or let's say,
[01:02:43.040 -> 01:02:48.120] the net result of regulations this year should be more overtaking,
[01:02:48.120 -> 01:02:50.400] driving closer together.
[01:02:50.400 -> 01:02:56.700] And it's impossible to say in one line if it's succeeded or not, because you can go
[01:02:56.700 -> 01:02:57.900] and look into the numbers.
[01:02:57.900 -> 01:03:01.120] You can say how many overtakes did we have this season compared to last season, stuff
[01:03:01.120 -> 01:03:02.120] like that.
[01:03:02.120 -> 01:03:05.820] But that's not really the full picture. Yeah, I agree.
[01:03:05.820 -> 01:03:11.740] So if you, but if you go into the numbers and the people who does that, there's a guy
[01:03:11.740 -> 01:03:16.880] I'm going to quote from Reddit, a user called Catching is one thing, and then I'm going
[01:03:16.880 -> 01:03:19.480] to quote some of the Pirelli stats.
[01:03:19.480 -> 01:03:28.000] So both of them does not count overtaking on lab one or overtaking during a stand restart.
[01:03:28.000 -> 01:03:30.000] Oh, okay.
[01:03:30.000 -> 01:03:32.000] That does not count.
[01:03:32.000 -> 01:03:35.000] So that's bad for Kevin Magnussen, of course.
[01:03:35.000 -> 01:03:37.000] But I can understand it.
[01:03:37.000 -> 01:03:41.000] If we have to talk about it in the context of does the new cars work,
[01:03:41.000 -> 01:03:45.280] we have to be out of the first lap, basically.
[01:03:45.280 -> 01:03:53.560] So apparently, according to Pirelli, we have had 30% more overtakings this year.
[01:03:53.560 -> 01:03:55.760] 599 last year.
[01:03:55.760 -> 01:03:57.640] In free play, as it were.
[01:03:57.640 -> 01:04:01.960] Yeah, and 785 this year.
[01:04:01.960 -> 01:04:05.800] According to the user who have been going through all the spreadsheets, and sometimes
[01:04:05.800 -> 01:04:12.060] the Reddit users can be more on point than the actual folks because they see things the
[01:04:12.060 -> 01:04:13.560] other people don't see.
[01:04:13.560 -> 01:04:21.060] But according to them, we have had an average of 45.3 overtakers per race.
[01:04:21.060 -> 01:04:26.300] That is the most since 2016, but similar to 2019.
[01:04:26.300 -> 01:04:28.500] So that doesn't sound so good.
[01:04:28.500 -> 01:04:32.100] So if you compare the numbers from the Reddit user and you to the
[01:04:32.100 -> 01:04:34.400] Pirelli ones, I think we are somewhere in between.
[01:04:34.400 -> 01:04:37.500] You can get lost in the numbers.
[01:04:37.500 -> 01:04:44.700] If we could say 15-20% would that be a respectable number increase
[01:04:44.700 -> 01:04:47.200] in overtakings according to the rules?
[01:04:48.160 -> 01:04:48.640] I don't know.
[01:04:49.360 -> 01:04:54.640] Matt, I know you love a stat. I just want to quickly make the observation that I've seen
[01:04:54.640 -> 01:04:58.560] is that we have not seen people just dropping back to three seconds
[01:04:58.560 -> 01:05:01.920] to save their tires from getting caught in the wash.
[01:05:02.640 -> 01:05:09.160] Well, it's more than that. The thing that we have seen and the point that I would make is yes, a stat is a stat
[01:05:09.240 -> 01:05:11.240] and a good stat is a cigar or something.
[01:05:11.240 -> 01:05:11.740] I don't know.
[01:05:12.080 -> 01:05:20.560] But what I really like is that we have seen just on a vibe basis for me, we have
[01:05:20.560 -> 01:05:26.280] seen battles that have lasted more than one corner regularly.
[01:05:26.280 -> 01:05:29.740] And if we're going to be given shoutouts, I got to say thank you, Pirelli, for giving
[01:05:29.740 -> 01:05:36.760] us a tire that lets people making a second pit stop catch people making only one, which
[01:05:36.760 -> 01:05:40.240] in the past, the tires weren't able to sustain that.
[01:05:40.240 -> 01:05:45.680] And it was one of the biggest reasons we were trending towards that one-stop race all the time,
[01:05:45.680 -> 01:05:51.360] is that the tires wouldn't sustain making up an entire pit stop delta if I were to make a second
[01:05:51.360 -> 01:05:58.720] stop and drive faster. Yeah, and this is it as well, like Christian, Pirelli are obviously involved
[01:05:58.720 -> 01:06:03.120] in that and they're working hand in hand. You've got to be able to follow, but also you've got to
[01:06:03.120 -> 01:06:08.800] have this strategy working as well. And it's so weird how Pirelli really have found
[01:06:08.800 -> 01:06:13.000] themselves at the center of the soul of what Formula One is, because they could
[01:06:13.000 -> 01:06:18.520] make it two steps harder and they wouldn't need to pit, because Pirelli of
[01:06:18.520 -> 01:06:24.400] course, yeah. And next year they will make especially a new front tyre to get
[01:06:24.400 -> 01:06:26.320] away with some of the understeer.
[01:06:26.320 -> 01:06:34.760] I do want to say there has been people mumbling about the things you can't say about Pirelli.
[01:06:34.760 -> 01:06:39.200] I can totally understand why Pirelli goes to the FIA or Formula One Liberty, whatever,
[01:06:39.200 -> 01:06:46.720] and say, listen, if we have to be the sole supplier of tires, we can't have 10 drivers each week and just
[01:06:46.720 -> 01:06:47.720] bad-mouthing us.
[01:06:47.720 -> 01:06:49.360] That's not going to work.
[01:06:49.360 -> 01:06:52.160] But I'm not sure an NDA is the right way either way.
[01:06:52.160 -> 01:06:55.980] You can't say anything if they're not working properly.
[01:06:55.980 -> 01:07:02.400] So what we saw after Japan, because the wet tires, apparently the wet tires are way too
[01:07:02.400 -> 01:07:05.800] heavy and they don't even work at all.
[01:07:05.800 -> 01:07:09.960] Things are going to change in that sense, but I'm not sure if the lack of understeer
[01:07:09.960 -> 01:07:13.760] or less understeer is going to make more overtaking generally.
[01:07:13.760 -> 01:07:18.800] Maybe for some, I feel for Daniel Ricciardo, I think he would have liked that tire.
[01:07:18.800 -> 01:07:22.560] Jonathan, just say what you want and then we can come back to me.
[01:07:22.560 -> 01:07:31.520] I'll give you the numbers of the most and least overtakes. Yes. That's a good point. Pirelli are also introducing a C1.5 because that C1 we
[01:07:31.520 -> 01:07:35.760] used at, I don't know if it was Zandvoort or supposed to be used at Suzuka, those heavy,
[01:07:36.320 -> 01:07:40.880] big low tracks, that just never worked this year. Pirelli are also going to introduce that along
[01:07:40.880 -> 01:07:48.960] with hopefully trying to fix the wet tires too and trying to make them a little bit more raceable. The overtaking and the on-track action was kind of good.
[01:07:48.960 -> 01:07:53.160] It wasn't too bad this year. Was it magnificent? No, but it's only going to be improved from
[01:07:53.160 -> 01:07:57.160] here. They've been talking about this. Now, I'm not saying I want to give up. I'm not
[01:07:57.160 -> 01:08:02.720] one to give up, but we have been talking about improving the cars and the aero now my entire
[01:08:02.720 -> 01:08:07.560] life watching F1 and slowly and slowly we're getting there.
[01:08:07.560 -> 01:08:12.040] And it's taken us, I reckon, honestly, it's taken us 10 years longer.
[01:08:12.040 -> 01:08:14.840] This is the point we were hoping to get to in 2009.
[01:08:14.840 -> 01:08:18.100] We've finally got there in 2021, 2022.
[01:08:18.100 -> 01:08:22.280] So is it going to be another 15 years to get where we want to be in three years?
[01:08:22.280 -> 01:08:23.280] You know, I don't know.
[01:08:23.280 -> 01:08:26.320] It's going to be tough. So I just want to mention real quick,
[01:08:26.320 -> 01:08:31.680] for listeners and viewers that aren't, don't know the Pirelli scale, C1 is the hardest tire,
[01:08:32.320 -> 01:08:39.920] the longest lasting tire that they bring to races. C5 currently is the softest tire that they bring
[01:08:39.920 -> 01:08:49.920] to races. And I know there's been some talks about changing tire rules and qualifying, but I want to disagree with Jono a little bit, even though he was young and doesn't
[01:08:49.920 -> 01:08:57.840] know better. I think we have seen more close on-track battles, multi-corner battles, both
[01:08:57.840 -> 01:09:06.800] in the midfield and at the sharp end, and I would just challenge you to go look at the cutoffs for things like Q3 and Q2 and
[01:09:06.800 -> 01:09:13.760] see how many drivers are within a hundredth of a second frequently at those margins.
[01:09:13.760 -> 01:09:20.040] These are really good, this is a really good starting point for the FIA and the regulations.
[01:09:20.040 -> 01:09:25.820] There's still some weak points and potential problems that might show up, but I think we're
[01:09:25.820 -> 01:09:28.800] off to a good start with these wrecks.
[01:09:28.800 -> 01:09:34.660] Good point, but I think the cost cap more than the actual aero rules for that, for bringing
[01:09:34.660 -> 01:09:38.340] the field closer, for making everybody closer enough to battle.
[01:09:38.340 -> 01:09:41.700] So that's what I would think more than the actual aero wrecks.
[01:09:41.700 -> 01:09:44.320] Yeah, and we're not only talking tires.
[01:09:44.320 -> 01:09:45.740] We're also talking the rigs.
[01:09:45.740 -> 01:09:48.540] If you look at that rear wing that was at Alpine
[01:09:48.540 -> 01:09:50.820] that did a rear wing, or maybe Aston Martin, I think.
[01:09:50.820 -> 01:09:51.660] It was Aston Martin.
[01:09:51.660 -> 01:09:52.640] Yeah, exactly.
[01:09:52.640 -> 01:09:56.500] They did a rear wing where it went against
[01:09:56.500 -> 01:09:59.180] the overall theme of the regulations.
[01:09:59.180 -> 01:10:01.940] And that was the reason why it was not allowed.
[01:10:01.940 -> 01:10:03.580] And the same with the Mercedes front wing.
[01:10:03.580 -> 01:10:05.520] So they're proactively
[01:10:05.520 -> 01:10:08.320] doing the right things to create a better show, I think.
[01:10:08.320 -> 01:10:12.560] Soterios Johnson Yeah, I would just argue, again,
[01:10:12.560 -> 01:10:17.360] with all due deference, as we turn this into a three-hour show arguing about regulations, which
[01:10:17.360 -> 01:10:26.240] I know is exactly what Spanners wanted, is that they haven't really had a chance to bear the kind of fruit that we saw on track
[01:10:26.240 -> 01:10:30.880] just this season. And that's because, I will explain my reasoning and then leave you to
[01:10:30.880 -> 01:10:37.360] tell me why you think I'm still wrong, a lot of what teams like Ferrari and Mercedes and
[01:10:37.360 -> 01:10:42.720] Red Bull have in terms of advantage are tools that they've been able to invest a lot more
[01:10:42.720 -> 01:10:46.640] in over all the previous years where their spending
[01:10:46.640 -> 01:10:49.040] was not restrained.
[01:10:49.040 -> 01:10:50.760] And they still have those tools.
[01:10:50.760 -> 01:10:55.520] They still have the results of all those CFD tests that they were allowed to run and could
[01:10:55.520 -> 01:11:00.320] afford to fund before this cost cap came into place.
[01:11:00.320 -> 01:11:03.440] All of that learning is still there and they can still draw on it.
[01:11:03.440 -> 01:11:07.440] Whereas the teams that were below budget and are now just barely able to fully fund
[01:11:08.080 -> 01:11:13.520] just the operations at the cost cap level and still not match them on the non-cost cap side,
[01:11:14.240 -> 01:11:19.600] they're just beginning to catch up on that technology and their investment in those tools.
[01:11:19.600 -> 01:11:24.400] It's going to take a while before we see the kind of parity that these financial regulations
[01:11:24.400 -> 01:11:29.160] are aimed at bringing in, in my mostly humble opinion.
[01:11:29.160 -> 01:11:35.800] May I just add that we have Pirelli test sessions during the year as well, which is a new thing.
[01:11:35.800 -> 01:11:39.080] And I think actually that's the practice one.
[01:11:39.080 -> 01:11:47.360] Sometimes they use this tire, unmarked tire from Pirelli. And that is the new way of testing tires, apparently.
[01:11:47.360 -> 01:11:49.720] And it seems to work because they get the feedback
[01:11:49.720 -> 01:11:52.080] they need to build next year's tires.
[01:11:52.080 -> 01:11:53.880] And that is completely new,
[01:11:53.880 -> 01:11:57.480] which I also think is gonna bring a lot to the show.
[01:11:57.480 -> 01:12:00.520] They don't wear unmarked black helmets
[01:12:00.520 -> 01:12:02.240] and secretly pretend that they're not
[01:12:02.240 -> 01:12:03.640] their race car drivers, do they?
[01:12:03.640 -> 01:12:05.960] During those days, like 2013 in Mercedes?
[01:12:05.960 -> 01:12:08.480] Oh yes, that was the infamous...
[01:12:08.480 -> 01:12:13.040] Those allegations were never proved. Oh no, no, no, I think they completely were.
[01:12:13.040 -> 01:12:14.040] They were.
[01:12:14.040 -> 01:12:19.320] And they admitted it. So it was fine. But yeah, so look, Matt has managed to change
[01:12:19.320 -> 01:12:25.720] our debate on how the FIA have done into a tie debate. So well done.
[01:12:25.720 -> 01:12:26.560] You've done well.
[01:12:26.560 -> 01:12:27.960] I don't know why this happens
[01:12:27.960 -> 01:12:29.600] every time you leave me alone for a minute.
[01:12:29.600 -> 01:12:31.240] Yeah, no, I had to go.
[01:12:31.240 -> 01:12:32.720] I'm gonna give you the numbers now then.
[01:12:32.720 -> 01:12:33.560] Go on then.
[01:12:33.560 -> 01:12:37.440] So the guy who overtook the most in 2022
[01:12:37.440 -> 01:12:39.820] was Alonso actually, 71 overtakes.
[01:12:39.820 -> 01:12:41.360] Then Hamilton, 63.
[01:12:41.360 -> 01:12:42.600] Joe, 62.
[01:12:42.600 -> 01:12:43.600] Science, 61.
[01:12:43.600 -> 01:12:46.660] Verstappen, Stroll, Schaert 57.
[01:12:46.660 -> 01:12:50.200] The least overtakes this season, Jono?
[01:12:50.200 -> 01:12:51.200] No.
[01:12:51.200 -> 01:12:53.200] Is it my man?
[01:12:53.200 -> 01:12:55.320] No, it's actually Latifi.
[01:12:55.320 -> 01:12:56.720] It's not your man.
[01:12:56.720 -> 01:13:00.680] It's closer to being Matt's man, but I don't think anyone's surprised on that.
[01:13:00.680 -> 01:13:06.000] So the most overtaken drivers, which I think is a very funny, well, interesting
[01:13:06.000 -> 01:13:11.880] statistic, is actually Magnussen. And it says a lot about being, if you're the best to overtake
[01:13:11.880 -> 01:13:17.560] on lap one, you're also going to be the most overtaken. That is the perspective I see it
[01:13:17.560 -> 01:13:18.560] from, of course.
[01:13:18.560 -> 01:13:23.120] Of course, Alonso did quite a lot of mad lap one stuff as well. So maybe he falls into
[01:13:23.120 -> 01:13:30.400] that category too. But I think something that muddies this is that qualifying isn't what it was in the olden days. So you
[01:13:30.400 -> 01:13:38.520] can specifically go out there and go for qualifying, or you can, according to the teams, you can
[01:13:38.520 -> 01:13:43.080] set up for the race, which is what Mercedes seem to have been doing. So that kind of muddies
[01:13:43.080 -> 01:13:45.980] the waters a bit, because I think in the olden days,
[01:13:45.980 -> 01:13:48.420] you'd never have turned up at Interlagos going,
[01:13:48.420 -> 01:13:50.860] well, we'll not worry about qualifying,
[01:13:50.860 -> 01:13:52.240] we'll make it up in the race
[01:13:52.240 -> 01:13:54.520] because overtaking used to be a lot harder.
[01:13:54.520 -> 01:13:58.720] In the DRS era and in a regulation set
[01:13:58.720 -> 01:14:01.080] that helps with following and overtaking,
[01:14:01.080 -> 01:14:02.560] you're not necessarily worried
[01:14:02.560 -> 01:14:04.040] about getting on pole position.
[01:14:04.040 -> 01:14:09.920] So if you're kind of deliberately setting up for the race, you're going to have decent overtaking stats,
[01:14:09.920 -> 01:14:13.720] aren't you? You're going to have... Where did Hamilton come in that? Was he quite high,
[01:14:13.720 -> 01:14:14.720] did you say, in the overtakes?
[01:14:14.720 -> 01:14:19.320] He's number two, 63. He's been starting from behind and stuff like that.
[01:14:19.320 -> 01:14:24.560] Exactly. So if you're kind of not prioritizing qualifying as much, and you're prioritizing
[01:14:24.560 -> 01:14:25.340] race pace, you're
[01:14:25.340 -> 01:14:27.780] going to be able to overtake in the race.
[01:14:27.780 -> 01:14:29.900] So I'm not papooing the statistic.
[01:14:29.900 -> 01:14:31.180] Can I add one interesting one?
[01:14:31.180 -> 01:14:33.460] The least overtaken this season.
[01:14:33.460 -> 01:14:36.660] That is science, with seven overtakes.
[01:14:36.660 -> 01:14:37.660] Only seven.
[01:14:37.660 -> 01:14:39.020] I mean, that's amazing.
[01:14:39.020 -> 01:14:41.500] No, he was only overtaken seven times.
[01:14:41.500 -> 01:14:42.500] Yeah, exactly.
[01:14:42.500 -> 01:14:43.500] Yeah.
[01:14:43.500 -> 01:14:44.500] Can you believe that?
[01:14:44.500 -> 01:14:46.600] In 22 races? Is that
[01:14:46.600 -> 01:14:52.920] even true? And it's the birthday of Tom Christensen as well. I mean, so many... I have to watch
[01:14:52.920 -> 01:14:56.840] that back. Seven times in one year. I reckon it's because he crashed all the time when
[01:14:56.840 -> 01:15:00.600] he was needed to be overtaken or something like that. Something must have happened there.
[01:15:00.600 -> 01:15:10.160] No, I think it's probably simpler than that, isn't it? Is that like you qualify sixth or something, you quickly fall back to sixth out of that top three or fourth out of the top
[01:15:10.160 -> 01:15:15.360] four and then there's a big gap back to the midfield. So if you're kind of the worst, quote
[01:15:15.360 -> 01:15:20.160] unquote worst or slowest of what is the leading pack, then you're not going to get overtaken by
[01:15:20.160 -> 01:15:25.840] the Ocons and the Norrises that are 30 seconds back. Matt?
[01:15:25.840 -> 01:15:31.080] I was going to say, to me that says he was the most consistent across qualifying and
[01:15:31.080 -> 01:15:33.880] racing, honestly.
[01:15:33.880 -> 01:15:39.740] Meaning that he qualified almost always in more or less the position where he wound up,
[01:15:39.740 -> 01:15:45.520] so he was rarely overtaken from behind and, if anything, only made forward progress.
[01:15:45.520 -> 01:15:48.880] Consistent, but was it consistently bad?
[01:15:48.880 -> 01:15:52.120] You know, here's my thing as well, like going back to the Mercedes duo.
[01:15:52.120 -> 01:15:57.800] I mean, obviously, I'm... and no Lewis Hamilton bias as much as I like the guy, but George
[01:15:57.800 -> 01:16:02.200] Russell was by far, in my opinion, the most consistent of the top six, along with maybe
[01:16:02.200 -> 01:16:04.280] Max Verstappen this year.
[01:16:04.280 -> 01:16:09.840] But the difference was, when Lewis Hamilton turned it on, he was better than George Russell
[01:16:09.840 -> 01:16:12.200] except for the races that mattered.
[01:16:12.200 -> 01:16:16.520] Russell always seemed to just be on top during when the car actually won a race, George Russell
[01:16:16.520 -> 01:16:19.840] won a race, put it on pole in Hungary, all this kind of stuff.
[01:16:19.840 -> 01:16:25.520] And then anytime Hamilton was quicker than Russell, it was always for P5 or for P, you know, for something useless.
[01:16:25.520 -> 01:16:27.360] So that's another thing right there is,
[01:16:27.360 -> 01:16:28.860] and not to change the topic,
[01:16:28.860 -> 01:16:31.300] but I'm saying the Mercedes duo next year,
[01:16:31.300 -> 01:16:33.480] it goes back to 2021.
[01:16:33.480 -> 01:16:35.960] Carlos Sainz finished ahead of Leclerc on points.
[01:16:35.960 -> 01:16:38.120] George Russell has done the same on Lewis Hamilton,
[01:16:38.120 -> 01:16:40.560] but who is actually the quicker driver of the two?
[01:16:40.560 -> 01:16:41.920] That's a very good topic there.
[01:16:41.920 -> 01:16:44.840] All right, I'll attract to the 87th topic
[01:16:44.840 -> 01:16:46.280] for YouTube comments.
[01:16:46.280 -> 01:16:50.280] And I'll say, look, who won out of Russell and Hamilton
[01:16:50.280 -> 01:16:53.280] depended on Lewis Hamilton this season.
[01:16:53.280 -> 01:16:56.480] So if Hamilton was on it and having his good weekend,
[01:16:56.480 -> 01:16:59.280] he had enough to be faster than George Russell.
[01:16:59.280 -> 01:17:02.280] If he was erratic or crashing into Alonso
[01:17:02.280 -> 01:17:06.360] or experimenting with a setup or just being
[01:17:06.360 -> 01:17:10.320] peaky. That's your word that I learned from you Matt. If he was being peaky with
[01:17:10.320 -> 01:17:14.880] his performances then that's when Russell was was able to to overtake him
[01:17:14.880 -> 01:17:18.160] but I honestly think I think you're right Russell was consistent and and
[01:17:18.160 -> 01:17:22.040] when Hamilton was good he was very very good and when he was bad he was bad.
[01:17:22.040 -> 01:17:27.440] The thing that I like most is Hamilton outqualified Russell 13 to nine.
[01:17:27.680 -> 01:17:30.120] According to the statistics I looked up online.
[01:17:30.320 -> 01:17:30.820] Okay.
[01:17:31.480 -> 01:17:34.840] And that's not something I would have expected.
[01:17:34.880 -> 01:17:36.560] I would have expected the opposite.
[01:17:36.560 -> 01:17:39.260] I would have expected Russell to have outqualified Hamilton.
[01:17:39.560 -> 01:17:44.920] So I hold this season in a little bit with a grain of salt.
[01:17:45.880 -> 01:17:51.180] I think Russell did an outstanding job moving up to the big team, but he hasn't
[01:17:51.180 -> 01:17:55.960] convinced me that fundamentally he's more consistent or better than Hamilton yet.
[01:17:56.900 -> 01:17:57.300] Christian.
[01:17:57.960 -> 01:18:00.400] So finish off the overtaking talk.
[01:18:00.440 -> 01:18:06.160] I think the, the, the good thing about this is we can look at the statistics, we can look at the
[01:18:06.160 -> 01:18:11.840] numbers, but when it comes down to it, it's about what we see with our eyes, how we feel
[01:18:11.840 -> 01:18:13.700] when we see it.
[01:18:13.700 -> 01:18:20.360] It has to do with how the overtakes are done, the rivalry, and all those things play a major
[01:18:20.360 -> 01:18:21.360] part.
[01:18:21.360 -> 01:18:24.280] So is it a success this year?
[01:18:24.280 -> 01:18:25.920] In my opinion, yes.
[01:18:26.600 -> 01:18:31.280] The statistic I would like is how many times did somebody on TV say, oh, you
[01:18:31.280 -> 01:18:33.440] don't often see an overtake there.
[01:18:34.280 -> 01:18:35.160] Exactly. Yeah.
[01:18:35.480 -> 01:18:38.840] Yeah. And you know, and they've got a taste for it. I think they've got enough
[01:18:38.840 -> 01:18:45.840] data points to go, here's the things that worked. I think there's a lot of talk about tweaking DRS.
[01:18:45.840 -> 01:18:51.360] I really like the fact that they've got racing rules in place. We don't want to,
[01:18:51.360 -> 01:18:58.040] you know, I disagree with the, if you're slightly ahead by a certain degree angle
[01:18:58.040 -> 01:19:02.680] of the apex, then you're allowed to pull out a paintball gun and splatter your
[01:19:02.680 -> 01:19:08.760] opponent's visor with paint. That seems weird to me. I think, yeah, it's great to have these kind of rules about
[01:19:08.760 -> 01:19:13.320] where and where you can be and when you're entitled to space or not, but I
[01:19:13.320 -> 01:19:18.000] would still like the rule to be, don't be allowed to just run your opponent off
[01:19:18.000 -> 01:19:22.960] track. That's something that we saw with Hamilton, really kind of
[01:19:22.960 -> 01:19:25.840] brought that to life against Rosberg. Leclerc took it to
[01:19:25.840 -> 01:19:32.160] a whole other level and then Verstappen just went atmospheric with it in 2021 and it's been,
[01:19:32.160 -> 01:19:38.560] it's becoming baked into the ethos of Formula One racing that the inside car can just run the
[01:19:38.560 -> 01:19:43.920] outside car out of room. It's not what I like to see and if you just made it so you always have
[01:19:43.920 -> 01:19:45.880] to leave a bit of room, you're going to see multi-corner racing which is what I like to see. And if you just made it so you always have to leave a bit of room, you're going to see
[01:19:45.880 -> 01:19:49.280] multi-corner racing, which is what we want to see.
[01:19:49.280 -> 01:19:54.120] We want to see, was it Portugal with Perez versus Lewis Hamilton, where they were side
[01:19:54.120 -> 01:19:56.760] by side for a whole lap.
[01:19:56.760 -> 01:19:58.280] We want to see racing like that.
[01:19:58.280 -> 01:19:59.280] Jono.
[01:19:59.280 -> 01:20:01.680] And, you know, this is a season review podcast.
[01:20:01.680 -> 01:20:09.280] And one thing to review this year is Max Verstappen's driving style changed after the pressures of not having won a world championship to the pressures of
[01:20:09.280 -> 01:20:14.720] I've won one and now I'm on the way towards the second. So, that is critical for him and
[01:20:14.720 -> 01:20:19.920] the best analogy I had and I mentioned this on last year's season review pod was Lewis Hampton
[01:20:19.920 -> 01:20:25.640] won that 2008 world championship, went into 2011 frustrated, driving like a mad man, got
[01:20:25.640 -> 01:20:29.320] in so many incidents and he had to change his style.
[01:20:29.320 -> 01:20:32.760] What's changed Max Verstappen's style is the rules, as you've said, that they've actually
[01:20:32.760 -> 01:20:35.560] clamped down on it and not allowed him to drive like that.
[01:20:35.560 -> 01:20:38.640] And the fact he's got less pressure, he's got two championships under his belt.
[01:20:38.640 -> 01:20:42.000] He could retire now and be one of the greatest to ever do it in the sport, but we know he's
[01:20:42.000 -> 01:20:43.160] going to continue.
[01:20:43.160 -> 01:20:50.320] We know he's likely maybe going to win a couple more, who knows, all dependent on the car. But yeah, that's been a big year for the
[01:20:50.320 -> 01:20:55.280] Verstappen stock. Do you sell it now? I don't think so. The dude's one of the greatest ever
[01:20:55.280 -> 01:21:01.680] to be in a cockpit. Well, and we have so much potential to see him tested next season. If
[01:21:02.400 -> 01:21:06.480] Ferrari, like you say, just magically sort out all those problems,
[01:21:06.480 -> 01:21:11.960] whoever is in charge, whoever the team principal happens to be in 2023.
[01:21:11.960 -> 01:21:15.280] I don't think there's been an announcement yet, although everyone seems to be...
[01:21:16.200 -> 01:21:21.080] Sorry, Svanes, Bernardo confirmed that that was all pish-posh, just BS.
[01:21:21.080 -> 01:21:22.720] Like, he is going to be there next year.
[01:21:22.720 -> 01:21:27.000] Basically, the Italian media apparently were manufacturing some stuff to put pressure on.
[01:21:27.000 -> 01:21:30.000] No! This does not happen ever.
[01:21:30.000 -> 01:21:33.000] Stop inventing! Stop inventing Italian media!
[01:21:33.000 -> 01:21:35.000] No, I think I still think it.
[01:21:35.000 -> 01:21:36.000] We'll see.
[01:21:36.000 -> 01:21:45.880] We'll see. But yeah, if they do that and Mercedes finds some side pods, then, you know, we really could see Leclerc and Sainz versus Russell and Hamilton
[01:21:45.880 -> 01:21:50.860] versus Verstappen, which could be very, very interesting. Obviously, if that even briefly
[01:21:50.860 -> 01:21:56.820] includes Sergio Perez, we could see Daniel Ricciardo back in a race seat very, very soon.
[01:21:56.820 -> 01:22:00.620] Before we end the review, Christian, I know you had a bit of a comment on social media
[01:22:00.620 -> 01:22:01.820] within Formula 1.
[01:22:01.820 -> 01:22:05.480] I think the mood is too good now. I'm gonna pass it on.
[01:22:05.480 -> 01:22:09.560] I'm probably gonna get back here in a month or so. I'll leave it for then. Okay,
[01:22:09.560 -> 01:22:13.640] well in that case, my comment on social media in Formula One that I probably
[01:22:13.640 -> 01:22:17.680] don't talk about a lot is the amount of emails and DMs just telling us to keep
[01:22:17.680 -> 01:22:23.080] doing what we're doing and how we fit into people's weeks. And it is so easy to
[01:22:23.080 -> 01:22:26.040] focus on the negative. But this year I've
[01:22:26.040 -> 01:22:31.360] taken a much more block-heavy approach to social media. So if something's causing me
[01:22:31.360 -> 01:22:36.620] stress or I think, oh, you're just in this to try and upset me, and it's worked, you
[01:22:36.620 -> 01:22:42.240] turnip, I've been very block-heavy. So in all seriousness, if you think I've blocked
[01:22:42.240 -> 01:22:45.040] you hastily or in error on social media, email
[01:22:45.040 -> 01:22:52.800] me spanners at msdapex.net and I'll unblock you and we'll have a new beginning and a new
[01:22:52.800 -> 01:22:59.120] relationship on social media. But honestly, so much of my interaction on Twitter in particular
[01:22:59.120 -> 01:23:04.280] has been so positive. So thank you. Please also get in touch, DM Matt as well. Matt loves
[01:23:04.280 -> 01:23:05.720] speaking to people over Twitter.
[01:23:05.920 -> 01:23:11.560] And if you do feedback at missdapex.net, that goes through to me and Matt as well.
[01:23:11.680 -> 01:23:12.680] Jono.
[01:23:12.680 -> 01:23:17.400] I know I feel this is out of place, this is out of place, but I have to say it
[01:23:17.400 -> 01:23:19.320] because you moved on from the Bernardo topic.
[01:23:19.320 -> 01:23:23.880] But as much as we credit him for the demise of Ferrari,
[01:23:24.480 -> 01:23:27.960] like if he is if he leaves the team in the next 24 hours,
[01:23:27.960 -> 01:23:30.960] we have to credit him for them winning a championship in the next few days.
[01:23:30.960 -> 01:23:35.200] But I just had to say that because that's so important to say that if he does leave,
[01:23:35.200 -> 01:23:39.640] we have to credit him and Ferrari open up our next Miss Apex podcast preview.
[01:23:39.640 -> 01:23:40.840] Ferrari are the best team.
[01:23:40.840 -> 01:23:41.960] We have to give him credit.
[01:23:41.960 -> 01:23:43.120] OK, good.
[01:23:43.120 -> 01:23:44.040] Oh, no, no, I like it.
[01:23:44.040 -> 01:23:48.240] I like it when we finish one topic and then stop the next one to go, but that's one of
[01:23:48.240 -> 01:23:49.240] my favorite things, Juno.
[01:23:49.240 -> 01:23:50.360] Sorry, I had to say it.
[01:23:50.360 -> 01:23:51.440] I had to say it, Svend.
[01:23:51.440 -> 01:23:53.080] We couldn't leave that without saying that.
[01:23:53.080 -> 01:23:55.680] Follow Juno and his Backwoods Baseball cap.
[01:23:55.680 -> 01:23:57.880] I'm not even going to bother trying to do his Twitter handle.
[01:23:57.880 -> 01:24:00.720] Just click the link in the show notes below and that's where you'll find the links to
[01:24:00.720 -> 01:24:01.720] all our stuff.
[01:24:01.720 -> 01:24:05.700] I did notice a wild Christian Pedersen on
[01:24:05.700 -> 01:24:08.700] Twitter there as a at kredi.
[01:24:08.700 -> 01:24:14.800] Ejkrede? I think it's... but actually I can't trust anyone on Twitter anymore.
[01:24:14.800 -> 01:24:21.000] It's spelled just like it sounds. You can't because Danish, you've got vowels that are smushed together.
[01:24:21.000 -> 01:24:24.000] Some of their letters are seven vowels smushed together.
[01:24:24.000 -> 01:24:30.240] We have three letters you don't have. It's an A, R, O. Those letters are in the Danish
[01:24:30.240 -> 01:24:31.920] vocabulary and that's just how it is.
[01:24:31.920 -> 01:24:34.240] It really is the language of romance.
[01:24:34.800 -> 01:24:38.880] I just want to tell our listeners not to panic. We are calling a doctor for Christian after he
[01:24:38.880 -> 01:24:39.680] said those things.
[01:24:39.680 -> 01:24:48.360] But go and click the show notes below. And also there you'll find all of Matt's social media. Follow him on Facebook and Twitter at MattPT55 on Twitter. The
[01:24:48.360 -> 01:24:54.320] podcast is at MistApexF1 and I am on there as well as at SpannersReady or
[01:24:54.320 -> 01:24:57.280] you can be my friend on Facebook Richard Ready and if you'd like to support us
[01:24:57.280 -> 01:25:01.760] and be a patron then go to patreon.com forward slash MistApex. I feel like this
[01:25:01.760 -> 01:25:05.360] has been a lovely chat and it was so nice to speak to some of our listeners
[01:25:05.360 -> 01:25:09.820] and I'm hoping during the off-season we'll have lots of opportunities to have open forums
[01:25:09.820 -> 01:25:16.160] and have you guys come on and yell at us and start a debate and never be afraid to disagree
[01:25:16.160 -> 01:25:17.800] with us and challenge what we say.
[01:25:17.800 -> 01:25:20.300] That is what we try to do to each other as well.
[01:25:20.300 -> 01:25:24.020] Until we see you next, work hard, be kind and have fun.
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