The Best Miami GP Ever; Review with Steve Slater

After the inaugural 2022 Miami GP, there are two things one can absolutely not argue against - first, this was the best Miami GP ever. But of course, it was also the only one.

Second, this is the best Miami GP review ever. But of course, it is with the legendary Steve Slater - the 'Voice of F1' in Asia.

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In this episode of the Inside Line F1 Podcast, Steve Slater joins Soumil and Kunal to review the 2022 Miami GP. The trio discussion whether Red Bull Racing have the quickest car at the moment. How can Ferrari fight back? Did they miss a trick or two in Miami?

The midfield was ever-tight; despite that Mercedes' George Russell recovered fantastically to score yet another top-5 finish. Was Lewis Hamilton harsh on his team yet again? Btw, Valtteri Bottas would've almost finished ahead of both the Mercedes cars.

There are a lot of insights packed in this near-hour long episode. Happy listening!

(Season 2022, Episode 26)

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**Episode Overview:**

* Steve Slater joins Soumil and Kunal to review the 2022 Miami Grand Prix.
* Discussion on Red Bull's dominance and Ferrari's struggles.
* Analysis of the midfield battle and Mercedes' performance.
* Insights into the strategy calls made by the teams.
* Review of Williams' improved performance and Alex Albon's impact.
* Speculation about the futures of Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel.
* Examination of the challenges faced by Aston Martin and Haas.
* Discussion on McLaren's struggles and Daniel Ricciardo's situation.
* Debate on the effectiveness of DRS and potential rule changes.

**Key Insights and Perspectives:**

* Red Bull's technical upgrades gave them a clear advantage in Miami.
* Ferrari's strategy seemed focused on securing maximum points rather than challenging for the win.
* Mercedes' George Russell continues to impress with consistent top-five finishes.
* Lewis Hamilton expressed frustration with his team's strategy.
* Valtteri Bottas could have finished ahead of both Mercedes cars.
* Williams' improved performance is a positive development for the team.
* Alex Albon has proven to be a capable driver in the Williams car.
* Nicholas Latifi's lack of competitiveness is costing the team valuable points.
* Fernando Alonso's erratic race raised questions about his motivation.
* Sebastian Vettel's future at Aston Martin remains uncertain.
* Aston Martin and Haas have underperformed despite showing potential.
* McLaren's struggles may be track-specific, but they need to find solutions quickly.
* Daniel Ricciardo's struggles continue, and his future at McLaren is in doubt.
* The effectiveness of DRS is being debated, with some calling for rule changes.

**Controversies and Noteworthy Moments:**

* Steve Slater's humorous comment about Latifi being the "crash test dummy" for the grid.
* Discussion about the potential impact of DRS on overtaking and the overall quality of racing.
* Speculation about the futures of Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel, given their recent struggles.
* Debate on whether McLaren's struggles are due to track-specific factors or deeper issues within the team.

**Overall Message:**

The 2022 Miami Grand Prix provided plenty of excitement and talking points, with Red Bull's dominance, Ferrari's strategic decisions, and the midfield battle all being key storylines. The performances of individual drivers, such as George Russell and Alex Albon, were also noteworthy, while the struggles of Fernando Alonso, Sebastian Vettel, and McLaren raised questions about their respective futures. The effectiveness of DRS and the potential for rule changes were also topics of discussion, highlighting the ongoing debate about how to improve the overall spectacle of Formula One racing.

**Inside Line F1 Podcast: Review of the 2022 Miami Grand Prix**

**Key Points:**

* The 2022 Miami GP was the inaugural race at the Miami International Autodrome.
* Red Bull Racing's Max Verstappen won the race, extending his lead in the Drivers' Championship.
* Ferrari's Charles Leclerc finished second, ahead of teammate Carlos Sainz Jr.
* Mercedes' George Russell recovered from a poor qualifying session to finish fifth.
* Lewis Hamilton struggled throughout the weekend and finished sixth.
* Valtteri Bottas, now driving for Alfa Romeo, finished ahead of both Mercedes cars.
* The race was marred by several incidents, including a collision between Lando Norris and Pierre Gasly.
* The track surface was also criticized for being slippery and bumpy.

**Insights and Perspectives:**

* The hosts discuss whether Red Bull Racing now has the fastest car in Formula 1.
* They also debate whether Ferrari missed an opportunity to win the race.
* The hosts praise Russell's recovery drive and question Hamilton's recent form.
* They also discuss the midfield battle and the performance of Bottas in his new team.
* The hosts offer suggestions for improvements to the Miami International Autodrome.
* They also discuss the upcoming races and make predictions for the rest of the season.

**Controversies and Insights:**

* The hosts debate whether the Miami International Autodrome is a good track for Formula 1.
* They also discuss the controversial decision to award Verstappen a five-second penalty for exceeding track limits.
* The hosts also offer their thoughts on the future of Formula 1 and the direction the sport is headed.

**Overall Message:**

The 2022 Miami GP was a thrilling race with plenty of action and drama. Red Bull Racing and Max Verstappen continued their dominance, while Ferrari and Charles Leclerc showed signs of improvement. Mercedes struggled, but George Russell showed his potential with a strong recovery drive. The race also highlighted the competitiveness of the midfield and the potential of Valtteri Bottas in his new team. The hosts provide insightful analysis and commentary throughout the podcast, making it a must-listen for Formula 1 fans.

[00:00.000 -> 00:26.000] Well then folks, welcome back to the Inside Line F1 podcast. Welcome back to the Miami GP race review.
[00:26.000 -> 00:30.000] Welcome back to the Miami GP coverage on the Inside Line F1 podcast I must say.
[00:30.000 -> 00:34.000] And I love it right, we started the week with a great voice of Formula 1.
[00:34.000 -> 00:38.000] The voice that I used to hear back in the day in the Formula E broadcast with Bob Varsha.
[00:38.000 -> 00:44.000] And we end the week with the voice that I actually started listening to when I watched Formula 1 in the first place.
[00:44.000 -> 00:48.220] Ladies and gentlemen, we've got Steve Slater, the voice of Formula 1's coverage back in
[00:48.220 -> 00:51.920] Asia with Fox Sports and Starsports back in the day, here with us for this review.
[00:51.920 -> 00:55.920] And there's a lot of things we have to discuss about Red Bull, about how good they are, did
[00:55.920 -> 00:59.980] they finally have the best car, about Leclerc, Perez, so much stuff.
[00:59.980 -> 01:03.740] And also, did this race actually deliver the hype that we all thought it would?
[01:03.740 -> 01:08.620] So all of that and more on this episode of the Inside Line F1 Podcast.
[01:08.620 -> 01:09.620] Welcome back in folks.
[01:09.620 -> 01:10.620] Welcome back to this episode.
[01:10.620 -> 01:12.120] Firstly, my name is Samal Arora.
[01:12.120 -> 01:16.620] I'm the host of the Driving Force on Disney Plus Hotstar, joined by Kunal Shah, the former
[01:16.620 -> 01:21.540] marketing head of the Force India F1 team, and the third guest, as we mentioned, is Mr.
[01:21.540 -> 01:22.540] Steve Slater.
[01:22.540 -> 01:23.820] But so, I'll start with you.
[01:23.820 -> 01:25.860] Firstly, I still have to pinch myself sometime
[01:25.860 -> 01:27.960] to remind that we are actually able to do this
[01:27.960 -> 01:30.380] with you on a Monday afternoon.
[01:30.380 -> 01:31.920] But firstly, how are you doing?
[01:31.920 -> 01:33.820] And the big question that I've got for you is
[01:33.820 -> 01:35.400] did this weekend live up to the hype
[01:35.400 -> 01:36.640] that you thought it would?
[01:39.200 -> 01:40.400] I think it probably did.
[01:40.400 -> 01:43.600] I mean, anyone who saw the chaotic grid walkabout
[01:43.600 -> 01:51.760] where the drivers couldn't even get to the cars for the Hollywood A-listers, B-listers and wannabes. I think it was great fun. It's got
[01:51.760 -> 01:55.840] me really thinking about how on earth you're going to do it better than that in Las Vegas if the
[01:55.840 -> 02:01.360] Americans want to do the American hype. There were certain things on it that did jar with me that was
[02:01.360 -> 02:05.320] so artificial and so fake they just made you laugh. Like the marina
[02:05.320 -> 02:09.800] where they trucked in and craned in seven or eight big expensive yachts and put them
[02:09.800 -> 02:15.480] in a puddle in a car park. I mean that was a bit cheesy. But equally there were other
[02:15.480 -> 02:20.440] things I thought were brilliant. The beach club idea. Can you imagine going to a Formula
[02:20.440 -> 02:24.680] One race, being able to sit on a sandy beach and better still go and swim in one of four
[02:24.680 -> 02:26.880] swimming pools while you're watching the race.
[02:26.880 -> 02:27.880] How cool is that?
[02:27.880 -> 02:28.880] It's superb, isn't it?
[02:28.880 -> 02:29.880] It makes you smile.
[02:29.880 -> 02:37.600] At the end of the day, Formula One is fun, it's entertainment, it's a great racing series
[02:37.600 -> 02:44.280] and a great sport, but it should make you smile as well and Miami did that in spades.
[02:44.280 -> 02:50.080] It absolutely did and I loved the whole atmosphere and the build up and you know I was
[02:50.640 -> 02:57.600] when I was watching the build up for once I was like I have never seen so many people
[02:58.480 -> 03:04.080] on the start grid ever in my life before and I put out a tweet saying are they going to be
[03:04.080 -> 03:05.040] able to clear
[03:05.040 -> 03:08.320] the grid in time for the race.
[03:08.320 -> 03:12.040] Yes herding Hollywood A-listers it's a new sport.
[03:12.040 -> 03:15.440] I mean you've got a feel for Martin Brundle right if you've seen the clips of that post
[03:15.440 -> 03:19.960] race I mean pre race grid walk you kind of get an idea how big of a challenge that was
[03:19.960 -> 03:24.200] but in terms of the event overall sir we've got again as you mentioned the beach club
[03:24.200 -> 03:28.520] we've got the fake marina the circuit circuit looked exciting, but in general, if you had to rate
[03:28.520 -> 03:30.160] the event, what would you give it?
[03:30.160 -> 03:32.440] For me, I think it was a solid eight in a way.
[03:32.440 -> 03:36.800] I think the race was better than I thought it would, because with the surface issues
[03:36.800 -> 03:41.480] with the passing as well, it felt like an old school 80s Formula One race where passing
[03:41.480 -> 03:43.880] was hard and you had to earn your moves all the way through.
[03:43.880 -> 03:47.440] Would you share the same opinion, per se?
[03:47.440 -> 03:51.640] I would go for an eight. I think it's an eight, largely down thanks to Lando Norris
[03:51.640 -> 03:55.960] and Pierre Gasly, because if they hadn't had their incident and brought out the safety
[03:55.960 -> 04:01.240] car, and let's face it, on that circuit, which is basically a 320-kilometer-an-hour
[04:01.240 -> 04:05.800] street circuit, I mean, that's mad in itself. No runoff areas.
[04:05.800 -> 04:09.240] If you get it wrong, you're gonna hit something solid.
[04:09.240 -> 04:12.500] Lando did an amazing job of keeping his car out of the wall
[04:12.500 -> 04:14.440] after the two cars had made contact.
[04:15.320 -> 04:18.220] But that bringing out the safety car, closed that race up.
[04:18.220 -> 04:19.420] Otherwise it would have been,
[04:19.420 -> 04:22.060] I think it was the term I used to use, a drone fest.
[04:22.920 -> 04:24.040] It would have easily been,
[04:24.040 -> 04:26.880] it could easily have slipped to being a 6 or a 7 out of 10
[04:26.880 -> 04:29.320] had it not been for that safety car near the end.
[04:29.320 -> 04:31.560] When it did, though, and it closed the field back up,
[04:31.560 -> 04:34.000] I think it just showed the two class
[04:34.000 -> 04:36.000] drivers in the current Formula 1 field
[04:36.000 -> 04:38.120] giving it their absolute best.
[04:38.120 -> 04:41.160] And those last 15 laps of the race,
[04:41.160 -> 04:44.840] I would give that a 9 out of 10.
[04:44.840 -> 04:48.000] Wow, you both are very generous with your ratings, I must
[04:48.000 -> 04:52.160] say that. I was probably like on the lower spectrum of the
[04:52.160 -> 04:56.640] the scale, but you know I'm probably embarrassed to rate it myself.
[04:56.640 -> 04:59.840] Maybe my expectations were extremely high, but
[04:59.840 -> 05:04.080] I have a stat which I'd love to share since we spoke about the safety car.
[05:04.080 -> 05:06.160] The safety car has actually
[05:06.160 -> 05:12.800] made an appearance in every race of 2022 and of course Nicholas Latifi would be happy that he
[05:12.800 -> 05:18.560] wasn't the one who triggered the safety car this race in Miami. More than Williams team accountants
[05:18.560 -> 05:24.640] I think. Oh seriously, I mean they've been having an absolutely torrid time but I think there's one
[05:24.640 -> 05:29.660] really fun thing to pick up on because sir your rating for the race was 8 and interestingly enough
[05:29.660 -> 05:33.600] it kind of brings us very smoothly onto a segment that we've just started on the Inside
[05:33.600 -> 05:38.020] Land and Foot podcast which is the 8 sleep performer of the race.
[05:38.020 -> 05:42.540] For me personally I just can't look beyond Max Verstappen and the way he drove but what
[05:42.540 -> 05:43.660] would it be for you sir?
[05:43.660 -> 05:45.840] I suppose it's hard to look behind him as well,
[05:45.840 -> 05:48.680] because there's barely any prep time that he had in practice.
[05:48.680 -> 05:50.800] And to do what he did in the race as well,
[05:50.800 -> 05:52.000] that's just phenomenal stuff.
[05:54.480 -> 05:58.280] I think, actually, I would go along with you.
[05:58.280 -> 06:01.560] But I would actually say it was equal between him
[06:01.560 -> 06:02.400] and Charles Leclerc.
[06:02.400 -> 06:05.000] They were both well ahead of anybody else in the field.
[06:05.000 -> 06:09.000] There was probably a lot of effort going on elsewhere in that field though.
[06:09.000 -> 06:13.000] Behind Sainz and Perez you had Russell charging up from 12th.
[06:13.000 -> 06:19.000] Okay, his tyres and everything worked a little bit better in the circumstances.
[06:19.000 -> 06:23.000] Those early laps must have been torrid for George Russell on completely
[06:23.000 -> 06:28.320] unusable hard tyres. It took them forever to get up to temperature. I think he was about 16
[06:28.320 -> 06:31.280] laps. That's when other people were thinking about the first pit stop. His
[06:31.280 -> 06:35.800] tires were just starting to work at that point. So it was a really difficult race
[06:35.800 -> 06:40.220] for a lot of people. The other guy I thought is such a tragedy that Mick
[06:40.220 -> 06:43.960] Schumacher didn't get a championship point for his efforts. He was out driving
[06:43.960 -> 06:45.160] the car.
[06:45.160 -> 06:49.040] You know, you've got Kevin Magnussen, who I rate as one of the best drivers
[06:49.280 -> 06:51.240] in Formula One without a good car under him.
[06:51.840 -> 06:55.640] And there you had Mick Schumacher actually outperforming Kevin Magnussen.
[06:55.640 -> 06:57.280] So that was an amazing performance.
[06:57.280 -> 07:00.320] Just sadly, his collision with Sebastian Vettel meant
[07:00.320 -> 07:01.840] that he wasn't going to wind up in the point.
[07:04.600 -> 07:09.440] Again, I think I'm probably, I've just gotten off from the different side of the bed or something
[07:09.440 -> 07:17.840] because, but I'll take cue from what you said, Steve, you know, George Russell, he was my eight
[07:17.840 -> 07:29.760] sleep performer of the race. And I just adding to what you're saying the the opening laps would have been so miserable. He was you know he said he was down to P16 all the way and then he
[07:29.760 -> 07:32.840] actually drove a very Lewis Hamilton-esque race I would say. He was
[07:32.840 -> 07:37.440] calling his own strategy he said let's wait it out till a VSC or a safety car
[07:37.440 -> 07:42.440] appears. Made that you know made that move when it actually came. Stroke of
[07:42.440 -> 07:50.160] luck suddenly finds himself you know charging Lewis Hamilton for position, they also battled on track and
[07:50.160 -> 07:56.320] then you know finishing in the top five and he's the only driver to have had a
[07:56.320 -> 08:01.040] top-five finish in all five races this season and I think that is fantastic
[08:01.040 -> 08:06.160] given all the struggles Mercedes has been having most specifically even with
[08:06.160 -> 08:13.600] the likes of Lewis Hamilton. Yeah I fully agree with you and let's face it the four guys that
[08:13.600 -> 08:18.880] were in front of him were riding racehorses he was riding a donkey you know that car is there is no
[08:18.880 -> 08:30.940] other way you can describe that car as horrible even when it's going well it's horrible it's a knife-edge performance the the moment you get 1% even 0.1% over the limit with that car
[08:30.940 -> 08:34.720] it's gone it's not trying to help you at all and that you know for Lewis
[08:34.720 -> 08:37.760] Hamilton to be struggling with a car like that it just shows how bad it is
[08:37.760 -> 08:42.760] and that's indicative of a real problem that Mercedes have I think in that
[08:42.760 -> 08:49.080] they've never been in this situation in recent time that most of the people who are working in Mercedes GP now have only
[08:49.080 -> 08:52.640] ever run with a front-running car they've never had to basically to sort
[08:52.640 -> 08:57.520] out a dog and this is the one problem that Mercedes is going to have
[08:57.520 -> 09:01.040] interesting we'll talk a little bit I'm sure about Red Bull shortly because I
[09:01.040 -> 09:09.880] think that's there's one of the key reasons they have an advantage here is that Adrian Newey came from the days of the old ground effect cars, his
[09:09.880 -> 09:12.880] first cars were ground effect racing cars, he knows how to design one, there's
[09:12.880 -> 09:17.640] no one Mercedes that does. Yeah and it's interesting that you mentioned that
[09:17.640 -> 09:20.720] Mercedes just don't have the experience to do that because they're in this
[09:20.720 -> 09:24.320] weird circumstance and we all have the confidence that well it's Mercedes
[09:24.320 -> 09:25.640] they've got the technical know-how
[09:25.640 -> 09:30.040] They've got the prowess but again, it's it's a specific problem that we're looking at it
[09:30.040 -> 09:37.440] So it seems like improvements are there but are they really there of Mercedes actually on the way up because this weekend it was positive
[09:37.440 -> 09:40.600] For sure, but it's hard to quantify where they really are in the position order
[09:41.440 -> 09:41.920] well
[09:41.920 -> 09:44.880] they've also got to be a little bit careful because there is the budget cap and
[09:45.040 -> 09:50.320] there's a cap on the amount of time you can spend in the wind tunnel and they have the
[09:50.320 -> 09:56.160] least of course with Red Bull by being having been at the top of the championship last year
[09:56.160 -> 10:00.720] so they've got to ration some of their development time and that's going to have an impact potentially
[10:00.720 -> 10:06.860] on the 23 car as well but it's a really interesting challenge. These cars are fundamentally different
[10:06.860 -> 10:09.640] to the cars we saw in 2021.
[10:09.640 -> 10:13.100] They get their downforce from a different way.
[10:14.040 -> 10:16.760] The power units are quite fundamentally different.
[10:16.760 -> 10:19.740] The car is heavier, yet it's more compact.
[10:19.740 -> 10:23.040] It really is a really big challenge
[10:23.040 -> 10:28.300] and Mercedes have never really had to fight that sort of a challenge in the past.
[10:28.300 -> 10:28.820] They haven't.
[10:28.820 -> 10:32.460] And even the likes of, I would say, Lewis Hamilton,
[10:32.460 -> 10:36.100] his radio call where the team was asking him
[10:36.100 -> 10:39.080] about whether he wanted to pit under the safety car
[10:39.080 -> 10:41.700] and the whole blow up that's happened in the media
[10:41.700 -> 10:43.820] after that is a little surprising.
[10:43.820 -> 10:45.600] Because up until now
[10:45.600 -> 10:51.840] he was always seen to be the driver who would overrule his team's strategic decisions in a race
[10:52.400 -> 10:56.240] and suddenly this time he just turned around and said hey you guys have all the information you
[10:56.240 -> 11:01.760] tell me what to do although I suspect maybe the team was just expecting some feedback on the tires
[11:01.760 -> 11:05.280] and whether he wanted to switch to the softs at some point,
[11:05.280 -> 11:08.320] because that's what I remember hearing McLaren and Daniel Ricciardo do.
[11:08.320 -> 11:14.780] So maybe, you know, it will get clarified, but just surprising to see Hamilton, you know,
[11:14.780 -> 11:17.720] go through these tough moments with Mercedes.
[11:17.720 -> 11:20.920] Well, I think Lewis has always been a little bit like that.
[11:20.920 -> 11:29.000] He will give 100% every inch of the way, but if he's being asked dumb questions, um, you know, he'll tell you
[11:29.000 -> 11:29.800] it's a dumb question.
[11:30.240 -> 11:35.840] Um, and I think that, uh, it was a demonstration to me of a certain lack of
[11:35.840 -> 11:37.800] maturity on the Mercedes pit wall.
[11:38.040 -> 11:42.760] Don't forget they've lost gurus, like first of all, Ross Braun, of course, who
[11:42.760 -> 11:44.400] was really the founder of that team.
[11:44.720 -> 11:47.920] And then they lost James Allison, although he's still there in an
[11:48.000 -> 11:51.040] administrative role in the headquarters in Brackley in England.
[11:51.440 -> 11:54.680] And James is now no longer on the pit wall.
[11:54.680 -> 11:57.240] There's no longer that calm tactical voice.
[11:57.640 -> 12:02.800] And I'm even seeing Toto Wolff just getting frustrated, losing the plot a little bit.
[12:03.080 -> 12:06.560] So maybe they also have that real disappointment at
[12:06.560 -> 12:11.720] the end of the last season. That may well also still have affected some of the morale
[12:11.720 -> 12:15.440] within that team. It's going to be interesting to see how they fight back. Now we're getting
[12:15.440 -> 12:18.600] on to what I would call Mercedes home ground, places like Barcelona.
[12:18.600 -> 12:23.680] You know what, I think the fact that Potthast could have potentially finished ahead of them
[12:23.680 -> 12:27.360] just rubs it in a little bit more, because here's a driver that was with them, they dropped
[12:27.360 -> 12:31.200] them and suddenly Valtteri Potthast is out qualifying the Mercedes, he's doing a great
[12:31.200 -> 12:32.800] job to keep up with them.
[12:32.800 -> 12:37.200] It's interesting how things are playing out in that sense but if anything I just think
[12:37.200 -> 12:41.040] it goes to show that Red Bull have done an even more greater job because to be in a championship
[12:41.040 -> 12:44.960] fight and to still have a competitive car next year, I think it's quite something.
[12:44.960 -> 12:45.000] So which just actually brings me on to discuss Red Bull in a championship fight and to still have a competitive car next year, I think it's quite something.
[12:45.000 -> 12:49.840] So, this actually brings me on to discuss Red Bull in a way because now this weekend
[12:49.840 -> 12:54.840] we saw that Red Bull, well, they were comprehensively pretty fast, right, they've got this amazing
[12:54.840 -> 12:59.400] straight line speed package, they were great last time up when we had cool temperatures,
[12:59.400 -> 13:02.800] this time it was hotter, Red Bull still had the advantage, they weren't able to manage
[13:02.800 -> 13:07.000] degradation, have they just created a better car all out, sir?
[13:07.000 -> 13:11.000] I mean, we thought that Ferrari were the favourites, but they've suddenly just clawed back in.
[13:11.000 -> 13:15.000] I think there are two answers to your question there.
[13:15.000 -> 13:19.000] I think the first one is, if you go back to fundamentals,
[13:19.000 -> 13:23.000] Red Bull are the only team with an active designer, an Adrian Newey,
[13:23.000 -> 13:25.120] that has past experience of the
[13:25.120 -> 13:30.880] problems of running a Venturi tunnel race car. Adrian designed the Leighton
[13:30.880 -> 13:37.400] house cars and those were among the very first Venturi ground-effect f1 cars
[13:37.400 -> 13:40.560] they've got the majority of their suction onto the track from under the
[13:40.560 -> 13:43.760] body of the car you could almost take the wings off a Leighton house and it
[13:43.760 -> 13:48.160] would still go around the corners. Whereas the body of the car. You could almost take the wings off a Leighton house and it would still go around the corners. Whereas the majority of the
[13:48.160 -> 13:53.920] designers now, one or two minor exceptions, have come from a background of
[13:53.920 -> 14:00.240] using big wings, lots of downforce and actually making the car just very
[14:00.240 -> 14:03.880] very quick through the massive amounts of downforce they were generating. You've
[14:03.880 -> 14:06.920] got entire aerodynamic departments of 100 people
[14:06.920 -> 14:09.800] sitting in front of computers at places like Mercedes.
[14:09.800 -> 14:13.600] And they have never experienced this pore poising effect, which
[14:13.600 -> 14:20.320] is a specific characteristic to Formula cars that use a Venturi
[14:20.320 -> 14:21.680] and use ground effect.
[14:21.680 -> 14:26.000] And in fact, it's even been around in things like
[14:26.000 -> 14:30.860] sport 2000 cars and Formula Four cars in club racing.
[14:30.860 -> 14:33.800] These cars that use this, you get that pore poisoning effect.
[14:33.800 -> 14:35.740] If you're lucky, you're able to drive through it.
[14:35.740 -> 14:38.280] It's clear that in certain cases, you're not here
[14:38.280 -> 14:40.540] and Mercedes is spending a huge amount of effort
[14:40.540 -> 14:44.120] trying to spill air progressively from underneath the car,
[14:44.120 -> 14:48.700] spill suction progressively from underneath the car to avoid that. In fact it was very
[14:48.700 -> 14:51.940] interesting to notice Ferrari had a mechanism for doing it by actually
[14:51.940 -> 14:57.780] making a smaller rear diffuser to allow the air to spill around it and that's
[14:57.780 -> 15:01.380] actually reduced the pore poisoning but what they've done at Ferrari is actually
[15:01.380 -> 15:06.240] minimized the problem. What Adrian knew he did from the outset is he seemed to understand what was going on
[15:06.240 -> 15:09.120] with the airflow under the car, and he managed it.
[15:09.120 -> 15:12.360] And that has given Red Bull a definite advantage.
[15:12.360 -> 15:15.700] And their ability to run with less wing,
[15:15.700 -> 15:17.180] more straight line speed, okay,
[15:17.180 -> 15:18.680] giving up a little bit of downforce
[15:18.680 -> 15:20.760] in the medium speed corners,
[15:20.760 -> 15:23.360] is absolutely down to Adrian New in the car design.
[15:23.360 -> 15:28.800] And they probably have the best car on the block at the moment although Ferrari are running them ever so close.
[15:28.800 -> 15:34.200] Yeah it you know makes me ask the question is you know Red Bull Racing do
[15:34.200 -> 15:38.520] they have the fastest car suddenly you know fifth race of the season because
[15:38.520 -> 15:41.920] when we started the season it was like oh my god Ferrari's come up with a
[15:41.920 -> 15:50.280] magical machine and this is gonna be Ferrari's you know championship winning year etc etc but my reading and you know
[15:50.280 -> 15:53.940] I'd love to hear what what you think is there are finer margins that are track
[15:53.940 -> 15:58.440] characteristics at play and then of course the driver differences that you
[15:58.440 -> 16:02.560] know we are sort of seeing as well and I really hope that you know Ferrari's
[16:02.560 -> 16:30.320] strategy to come back you know in the balance you know, Ferrari's strategy to come back, you know, in the balance, you know, races of the season doesn't rely on Red Bull running out of development budget, because that was actually Matteo Binotto's first response when he said, you know, we've not brought single upgrade to our car, but Red Bull are just constantly throwing things so with the budget cap I hope they run out of money at some point and of course I'm sure he was joking but I'm sure you know Barcelona is when we'll see a lot of upgrades coming.
[16:30.320 -> 16:36.800] Yeah Barcelona is a very technical track it's there's no there's it's no surprise that Barcelona
[16:36.800 -> 16:41.680] for two decades or more has been the place where you do most of your pre-season testing
[16:42.480 -> 16:47.160] and that's before we had testing restrictions and things like that you went to Barcelona and spent the winter
[16:47.160 -> 16:52.120] there if you could. Barcelona is not a great racetrack in terms of racing
[16:52.120 -> 16:55.240] entertainment if you want a drone fest that'll be the one to watch probably. I
[16:55.240 -> 16:59.120] used to go into the commentary booth for a Barcelona race with anything up to 17
[16:59.120 -> 17:02.760] pages of notes because I knew I'd have to fill in an awful lot of gaps in the
[17:02.760 -> 17:08.600] action but equally it's going to be an intriguing one to see how and who performs on this
[17:08.600 -> 17:13.560] very technical track. The track that they came to in Miami nobody really knew what
[17:13.560 -> 17:16.080] it was going to deliver. We didn't know what the surface would deliver, we didn't
[17:16.080 -> 17:19.240] know what the temperature would deliver, we didn't know what the tire temperatures
[17:19.240 -> 17:27.000] would deliver and even fuel burn and the shortening of practice for a lot of people due to incidents.
[17:27.000 -> 17:30.500] For example, compromise some people knowing how much fuel put in the car.
[17:30.500 -> 17:34.000] I reckon some of the cars were running a couple of kilos heavy just to be on the safe side
[17:34.000 -> 17:35.500] so they didn't run short of fuel.
[17:35.500 -> 17:41.000] And there's little things like that, but two different strategies played out.
[17:41.000 -> 17:45.100] Red Bull went for a low downforce, high straight line speed and
[17:45.100 -> 17:50.520] they were 20 kilometers an hour faster down the straights even with the DRS on.
[17:50.520 -> 17:55.800] Then they, even without the DRS on rather, and but they were five kilometers an hour
[17:55.800 -> 17:59.240] slower through the corners. Ferrari went the other way. They went for downforce,
[17:59.240 -> 18:03.480] quick through the corners, but even with the DRS open they couldn't catch the
[18:03.480 -> 18:07.760] Red Bull down the straight. So it was two different philosophies you won't get away with
[18:07.760 -> 18:13.360] doing that in Barcelona it won't let you. You know before we go into Ferrari and
[18:13.360 -> 18:17.440] Red Bull land and stuff I have to ask you I think I heard another Steve Slater
[18:17.440 -> 18:23.000] term out here I've normally heard of the term snooze fest did I just hear you
[18:23.000 -> 18:25.040] call it the drone fest?
[18:25.040 -> 18:26.240] Correct.
[18:26.240 -> 18:28.120] You get certain races that are a drone fest
[18:28.120 -> 18:30.000] where they drone round and round for 72 laps
[18:30.000 -> 18:34.240] and we wake up in time to say somebody's won.
[18:34.240 -> 18:36.720] Well, this almost was a drone fest, wasn't it?
[18:36.720 -> 18:40.640] Just for a while until we had the safety car.
[18:40.640 -> 18:42.080] Oh, man.
[18:42.080 -> 18:44.160] Yeah, it was.
[18:44.160 -> 18:47.360] But I tell you what, that should not reflect on the effort that was put in
[18:47.360 -> 18:49.000] by the drivers there.
[18:49.000 -> 18:54.280] And actually, when's the last time you could actually hear a crowd roar for overtaking
[18:54.280 -> 18:56.600] moves and things like that?
[18:56.600 -> 18:59.040] The atmosphere at that place was just awesome.
[18:59.040 -> 19:00.040] Yeah.
[19:00.040 -> 19:03.960] I mean, they've just kind of created a wonderful event per se.
[19:03.960 -> 19:05.520] And I'm just wondering, you said it at the start, if this is what they've just kind of created a wonderful event per se and I'm just wondering, you said
[19:05.520 -> 19:09.960] it at the start, if this is what they've done for Miami, how on earth are they going to
[19:09.960 -> 19:11.580] top it up for Las Vegas?
[19:11.580 -> 19:12.960] That is going to be some show.
[19:12.960 -> 19:13.960] But I think that's for later on.
[19:13.960 -> 19:18.240] I just want to talk about Red Bull a little bit more, because the decisive moment is something
[19:18.240 -> 19:19.480] I'm very keen about.
[19:19.480 -> 19:23.440] Because at the start, it seemed like Red Bull, well, they were there, but not completely
[19:23.440 -> 19:24.440] there.
[19:24.440 -> 19:28.200] Which one would you pick as the moment of the race for Max Verstappen? Was it the start per se
[19:28.200 -> 19:32.200] or the pass he made on Charles or the fact that in fact Ferrari didn't quite cover off
[19:32.200 -> 19:35.360] the pit stop when the safety car came because even that could have been an opportunity in
[19:35.360 -> 19:38.640] its own? It could have been but I think everyone was
[19:38.640 -> 19:43.840] just doing the best they could with what they had at the time. Two things really came to
[19:43.840 -> 19:45.120] mind for me, at least.
[19:45.120 -> 19:47.640] I think the pivotal moment of the race
[19:47.640 -> 19:54.720] probably was that first lap, because that move into turn one,
[19:54.720 -> 19:59.480] turn two, was Verstappen at his very best.
[19:59.480 -> 20:02.120] And that allowed him then to control the pace of the race.
[20:02.120 -> 20:04.360] Everyone was playing catch up after that.
[20:04.360 -> 20:08.000] But the other thing that in the latter stages of the race,
[20:08.000 -> 20:09.720] the one thing that jumped out at me,
[20:09.720 -> 20:12.520] and it wasn't just pure speed of driving,
[20:12.520 -> 20:16.560] Leclerc was giving it absolutely everything in that Ferrari.
[20:16.560 -> 20:18.760] That car was on the limit so many times
[20:18.760 -> 20:20.800] and beyond it occasionally.
[20:20.800 -> 20:22.920] If Leclerc had been driving the Mercedes,
[20:22.920 -> 20:25.400] it would have been in the wall half a dozen times.
[20:25.400 -> 20:29.560] But that Ferrari was being driven beautifully,
[20:29.560 -> 20:32.720] but Max managed his energy recovery system so well.
[20:32.720 -> 20:34.600] Now this is the bit you don't get to see,
[20:34.600 -> 20:38.200] and frankly, I think it's actually really a bit stupid
[20:38.200 -> 20:42.360] having it in F1, is that you can recharge your batteries
[20:42.360 -> 20:44.560] tactically at certain points in the race.
[20:44.560 -> 20:46.320] You can actually be slow mid-corner.
[20:46.320 -> 20:48.480] And I saw Max do that at one point.
[20:48.480 -> 20:51.440] It was actually just after the safety car.
[20:51.440 -> 20:54.200] He actually slowed so much in the hairpin
[20:54.200 -> 20:57.000] that Leclerc actually had to really stand on the anchors
[20:57.000 -> 20:57.920] to avoid him.
[20:57.920 -> 21:01.560] And that was purely and simply to create
[21:01.560 -> 21:08.000] an unstable situation so Leclerc couldn't use his charging systems as well as Max.
[21:08.000 -> 21:12.000] Max was driving so intelligently but actually so much of that is almost invisible
[21:12.000 -> 21:15.000] because we can't see what's going on with those energy recovery systems.
[21:15.000 -> 21:19.000] And not really do I want to see it, I'd rather see some guys racing flat out.
[21:19.000 -> 21:27.280] But then again I prefer V12 and 6-speed manual gearboxes.
[21:27.880 -> 21:33.520] Oh boy. And post-race, it was actually revealed that Charles Leclerc did not have a
[21:33.520 -> 21:35.420] drink tube system working.
[21:35.420 -> 21:37.400] So he was without a drink throughout the race.
[21:37.760 -> 21:43.980] You know, given how physically tiring and how hot and humid it was, you know, for
[21:43.980 -> 21:45.240] the drivers and for the tires.
[21:45.240 -> 21:49.040] I think that was that was pretty fantastic and you know I'm sure the
[21:49.040 -> 21:54.040] temperatures also sort of come into play when you when you consider all the
[21:54.040 -> 21:59.040] car characteristics that you know between Ferrari and Red Bull and even
[21:59.040 -> 22:03.680] Mercedes for that matter. Well the cars are one thing and to be perfectly honest
[22:03.680 -> 22:09.200] a five degree C temperature shift from one track to another will have an effect on the cars
[22:09.200 -> 22:13.680] but the drivers you know you're talking 90 degrees plus in the cockpit you're
[22:13.680 -> 22:19.440] talking 70% humidity we're talking Malaysia on a hot day we're talking I
[22:19.440 -> 22:23.880] mean I will leave it for you to explain where in India would work would be
[22:23.880 -> 22:29.200] equivalent I mean I have actually been actually been to the Madras Motorsport Circuit on a couple of occasions,
[22:29.200 -> 22:32.200] and I know just how hot it gets in those pit lanes.
[22:32.200 -> 22:34.200] And it's not just for them, it's for the pit crews as well.
[22:34.200 -> 22:38.800] We saw pit lane mistakes and pit lane wheel nut seizures and things like that,
[22:38.800 -> 22:44.000] which I'm sure are going to be also as part of the temperature that everybody's working in.
[22:44.400 -> 22:50.580] And it is a pretty hostile environment a Formula One pit lane or a Formula One cockpit
[22:50.720 -> 22:52.720] Particularly when the temperature is up above 90
[22:54.960 -> 23:01.160] Yeah, and actually that's such a good point because we saw a couple of cars having their front left pit guns fail and
[23:01.400 -> 23:04.260] The best part you mentioned was the effect on the drivers
[23:04.260 -> 23:05.520] But it's amazing
[23:05.520 -> 23:09.440] how their conditioning has changed because even after such a heavy race they were just
[23:09.440 -> 23:13.360] they were fine but they looked stressed out this is this is probably one of the most physical races
[23:13.360 -> 23:17.680] that we have so far. Sure I mean just have a thought for the pit crew here we're in that
[23:17.680 -> 23:22.480] temperature that humidity they're wearing fireproof overalls three layers they've got
[23:22.480 -> 23:30.240] their gloves on heatproof gloves they've got got their helmet on to protect them against anything that goes wrong in the pit itself. Now
[23:30.240 -> 23:33.360] you go and stand in the middle of the highway in front of you and put your hand up and expect the
[23:33.360 -> 23:38.080] car to stop because that's the speed the car's coming down the pit lane. Then when you get hold
[23:38.080 -> 23:44.080] of that wheel, that wheel is at the same temperature as a boiling kettle, if not more,
[23:44.080 -> 23:46.080] because it's 100 and something degrees.
[23:46.080 -> 23:50.320] So you've got to manhandle that, what is it, 20 kilo wheel and tyre combination,
[23:50.320 -> 23:55.600] which is hotter than a boiling kettle, while you're wearing all that gear in a 90 degree pit lane,
[23:55.600 -> 23:58.880] and then you've got to grab the other one that's just come out of the tyre warmers,
[23:58.880 -> 24:02.880] that's only quite hot as a scalding cup of tea. And you've got to put that on with a
[24:02.880 -> 24:07.360] millimeter accuracy. I mean that's, and do it inside three seconds.
[24:09.800 -> 24:11.920] Crazy, crazy how tough of a job they have.
[24:11.920 -> 24:13.960] And I think you mentioned one thing,
[24:13.960 -> 24:14.920] but you forgot one thing.
[24:14.920 -> 24:17.440] I think no jewelry as well for them.
[24:17.440 -> 24:18.800] Not under all those overalls.
[24:18.800 -> 24:21.840] I think that topic has been discussed far too much.
[24:21.840 -> 24:24.340] Yeah, I actually, I'm totally in favor of that.
[24:30.920 -> 24:35.320] If you had a fire in a car yeah a steel necklace or jewelry or a metal watch is going to get really hot really quickly totally negates the effect of all the
[24:35.320 -> 24:38.320] nomex you're wearing because you're going to end up with first-degree burns
[24:38.320 -> 24:45.560] on your skin and that that's going to say that's going to sting. So I'm really pleased.
[24:45.560 -> 24:49.280] I mean, I can't guess, but I'm guessing
[24:49.280 -> 24:51.440] Roman Grosjean wasn't wearing a lot of metal jewelry
[24:51.440 -> 24:54.520] when he got out of that car at the end of his career.
[24:54.520 -> 24:55.160] Absolutely.
[24:55.160 -> 24:57.360] But I just wonder, how will the watch manufacturers
[24:57.360 -> 24:58.520] promote their brands then?
[24:58.520 -> 25:00.280] I was actually shocked, because when
[25:00.280 -> 25:02.880] Mercedes were having those watch-like gloves,
[25:02.880 -> 25:04.240] I thought that, well, these are just gloves.
[25:04.240 -> 25:06.360] But they actually had watches underneath as well.
[25:06.360 -> 25:09.040] So that was a bit of a shock for me when I was a kid.
[25:09.040 -> 25:10.160] Yeah, I think it was.
[25:10.160 -> 25:12.120] I think the watch-like gloves were a great way.
[25:12.120 -> 25:14.640] If you can't promote your product sensibly,
[25:14.640 -> 25:19.040] I mean, I still can't quite get over Sebastian Vettel's
[25:19.040 -> 25:20.600] protest by wearing his underpants
[25:20.600 -> 25:22.480] on the outside of his race suit.
[25:22.480 -> 25:23.560] Superman.
[25:23.560 -> 25:24.280] Yeah, exactly.
[25:24.280 -> 25:25.120] That was my only thought
[25:26.240 -> 25:34.000] but I personally I think that it's a common sense decision and although some of the drivers may well
[25:34.000 -> 25:39.840] wish to complain about the lack of publicity for some of their sponsors you really don't want those
[25:39.840 -> 25:43.280] sort of burns that a hot racing car is going to give you if you're wearing something metal against
[25:43.280 -> 25:45.280] your skin. Well exactly and speaking of burns I think it's a is going to give you if you're wearing something metal against your skin
[25:50.240 -> 25:55.440] well exactly and speaking of burns i think it's a good time to come to ferrari because this one must have stung i mean think about it one two in qualifying starting one two completely it's it
[25:55.440 -> 26:00.960] it was just a race to lose and they lost it we've spoken about the track characteristics about the
[26:00.960 -> 26:07.280] car characteristics but strategy wise sir do you see that I mean did you see that Ferrari could do something differently
[26:07.280 -> 26:12.000] per se? Not really they were stuck into that strategy from the moment they
[26:12.000 -> 26:17.300] brought the car out in a high downforce specification they knew they
[26:17.300 -> 26:20.240] would have to defend against a low downforce well they knew once they
[26:20.240 -> 26:24.000] realized the specification Red Bull Racing were running they would have to
[26:24.000 -> 26:31.200] defend against a low downforce fast in in a straight line car. And in a racing situation, if that car is behind you
[26:31.200 -> 26:36.640] and it's faster down the straight, guess what? You're going to get passed. I think that they
[26:36.640 -> 26:41.280] did, once they had committed to that strategy, they couldn't change a lot. And I think actually
[26:41.280 -> 26:47.720] they did a really good job. They brought Leclerc home in second, he still leads the World Championship. Ferrari still lead the
[26:47.720 -> 26:52.760] World Constructors Championship so it's still pretty good and there's
[26:52.760 -> 26:55.760] an awful lot of the season still to go and it'll be interesting to see how that
[26:55.760 -> 26:59.920] develops but there's no doubting on the day that Max Verstappen and that Red Bull
[26:59.920 -> 27:05.960] were just the best combination. You know, also a part of Ferrari's strategy
[27:05.960 -> 27:09.520] just seemed like they wanted to settle for the maximum points
[27:09.520 -> 27:10.480] they could get.
[27:10.480 -> 27:13.160] It did come out to be a bit of a surprise
[27:13.160 -> 27:15.800] that they weren't trying something different.
[27:15.800 -> 27:18.400] They were just following suit as they would.
[27:18.400 -> 27:20.320] And maybe, of course, we are reading too much,
[27:20.320 -> 27:23.080] but they realized early on into the race
[27:23.080 -> 27:28.840] that whatever it is that they throw at Red Bull they do not have the ultimate pace to compete and maybe
[27:28.840 -> 27:32.660] that you know the pace deficit was so much that it was probably better to just
[27:32.660 -> 27:36.860] secure second and third and take the points home and you know develop the car
[27:36.860 -> 27:41.540] to fight another day. I think there's a little bit of that in it and I think
[27:41.540 -> 27:48.560] you're correct but what I would say is that Red Bull had brought a whole bunch of technical upgrades to the track, Ferrari
[27:48.560 -> 27:52.720] elected not to, they've got other stuff that's still waiting in the wings I
[27:52.720 -> 27:55.520] suspect either that or they stopped developing the car which I can't imagine
[27:55.520 -> 28:00.960] would be the case and I think you know they they are still in the situation
[28:00.960 -> 28:03.920] they still have the quickest cars on track for solo laps during the
[28:03.920 -> 28:06.280] qualifying otherwise they wouldn't be on the... so saying
[28:06.280 -> 28:09.000] actually probably Max would have been quicker if he hadn't made a mistake at
[28:09.000 -> 28:14.600] the start of his final qualifying lap. So it you know it is going to be like that
[28:14.600 -> 28:17.120] all the way through this season and that's what makes a good Formula One
[28:17.120 -> 28:22.400] season. Absolutely right I mean just the best part about racing is you just need
[28:22.400 -> 28:27.500] a simple simple formula you just need one car that's faster in the corners, one that's faster in the straight
[28:27.500 -> 28:29.000] and it just makes for such a good show.
[28:29.000 -> 28:33.000] Whether it's bikes, whether it's cars, whatever it might be, it's just so simple.
[28:33.000 -> 28:39.000] But I want to bring our attention on to Williams because Alex Albon ended up scoring points.
[28:39.000 -> 28:42.500] And now at this stage, the only thing that's flashing past my mind is well,
[28:42.500 -> 28:47.160] firstly, we don't have a proper back marker marker which is amazing to see that everyone can score
[28:47.160 -> 28:51.200] points including Williams by the way and the second thing is well Nicholas
[28:51.200 -> 28:55.000] Latifi is actually costing the team a lot of money because if they had two I
[28:55.000 -> 28:59.360] can't say the word what's what I'm looking for I can't say two competitive
[28:59.360 -> 29:03.840] drivers but you get the idea two drivers on the same level of Albon maybe they
[29:03.840 -> 29:05.240] could have been doing this more often.
[29:05.240 -> 29:08.520] So it's kind of hurting the team now, actually.
[29:08.520 -> 29:13.240] I don't think it will feel like that with Inside Williams.
[29:13.240 -> 29:15.960] They will feel that they've been unlucky with Latifi.
[29:15.960 -> 29:18.560] Nicholas, I'm sure, feels that he's been unlucky.
[29:18.560 -> 29:19.600] He's no mug.
[29:19.600 -> 29:22.260] He's come through the junior formulas
[29:22.260 -> 29:23.840] and proven his ability there.
[29:23.840 -> 29:27.160] And of course, he's bringing quite a lot of money to the team.
[29:27.160 -> 29:30.280] Alex Albon, I think the pressure's off him.
[29:30.280 -> 29:32.280] This is a guy who's sat in a Red Bull.
[29:32.280 -> 29:35.280] He knows where he's at.
[29:35.280 -> 29:39.120] It didn't work out for him at Red Bull, but it is working out for him at Williams.
[29:39.120 -> 29:41.680] And he's a clever strategic driver.
[29:41.680 -> 29:43.840] Is he the best wheel-to-wheel racer in the world?
[29:43.840 -> 29:45.520] Well, past experience indicates
[29:45.520 -> 29:50.960] he isn't. And dare I say it's the same with Valtteri Bottas, put Valtteri in a good car,
[29:50.960 -> 29:55.840] he drives really well, put him into a wheel-to-wheel racing situation and it all goes a little bit wrong.
[29:56.480 -> 30:02.000] So I think Alex is in a really good position to rebuild his reputation and his career,
[30:03.280 -> 30:05.280] whether he'll move on from Williams somewhere else or
[30:05.280 -> 30:12.000] whether he'll be a frontrunner in that Williams for the next year or two, that remains to be seen.
[30:12.000 -> 30:16.960] Nicholas, he has to improve. He can't afford to be the crash test dummy for the Formula One grid.
[30:20.000 -> 30:28.640] That is the best thing I've heard all day. We've been trying to be so subtle about it on the podcast, but this is the best thing I've heard
[30:28.640 -> 30:34.880] about it, isn't it, Kunal? I think so. You know, Nicholas Latifi will probably go down the Daniel
[30:34.880 -> 30:39.280] Kivyat route at some point. You know, he will suddenly retire and nobody will miss him. And
[30:39.280 -> 30:50.640] at least Kivyat had podiums and did what he did, his torpedo moves and I mean you know not a comparison between the talents of the drivers but to me you know
[30:50.640 -> 30:56.400] Latifi is of course there with the money but I think talent is certainly gone
[30:56.400 -> 31:01.360] lacking. Albin has come in, he's claimed you know Williams to be his team and
[31:01.360 -> 31:09.320] just a statement from Latifi which sort of didn't make sense for me so when he got out qualified by Albin again in Miami he
[31:09.320 -> 31:14.500] said I know the better parts are on Alex's car right the truth is that the
[31:14.500 -> 31:18.720] gap between the two of them was less than a tenth now if I was your scopito I
[31:18.720 -> 31:23.160] just be very pissed that suddenly my driver's gone and said that my upgrades
[31:23.160 -> 31:25.040] are worth less than a tenth of a second.
[31:26.160 -> 31:30.800] What I would say there is there's a little bit of that and there's always a feeling of anyone
[31:30.800 -> 31:38.320] who's in a team. And if you were to talk to Naren Karthikeyan, Karen Chandhok, they'd all tell you
[31:38.320 -> 31:44.480] there is a feeling in a team, particularly a team, shall we say, in the back five, that there is only
[31:44.480 -> 31:46.320] so much development money.
[31:46.320 -> 31:47.700] And do you make two of everything
[31:47.700 -> 31:49.520] and then find they don't work and scrap them?
[31:49.520 -> 31:51.440] No, you don't, you make one, see whether it works
[31:51.440 -> 31:52.760] and then make another one.
[31:52.760 -> 31:55.520] And you've got to choose whose car you put that stuff on.
[31:55.520 -> 31:59.080] So it makes good sense to actually have some bits
[31:59.080 -> 32:00.240] that only go to one driver.
[32:00.240 -> 32:02.940] Then if they work, the other driver can have them as well.
[32:03.960 -> 32:08.380] And I can see Latifi's frustration. he must be getting though into the little bit of a
[32:08.380 -> 32:12.040] situation where the accountants will be drawing the line of how much income he's bringing
[32:12.040 -> 32:15.600] to the team and the line of how much crash damage it's cost them.
[32:15.600 -> 32:19.680] And if those two lines cross you've got to, you'll end up with a meeting with Joste
[32:19.680 -> 32:23.680] Capito who doesn't offer you a cup of coffee.
[32:23.680 -> 32:25.100] I think it would be perfect to call it the
[32:25.100 -> 32:32.660] break even point because the car is broken so much. I know we have to speak about Miami
[32:32.660 -> 32:36.860] but this this this part you mentioned about upgrades just reminds me of one thing that
[32:36.860 -> 32:41.260] I want to know your specific take on. Mark Webber back in the day not bad for a number
[32:41.260 -> 32:46.200] two driver the British GP. Because teams often tend to do that, right?
[32:46.200 -> 32:48.880] But that year, Weber had the upgrade on his car.
[32:48.880 -> 32:51.000] I think it was 09 that we're talking about,
[32:51.000 -> 32:51.800] if I'm not mistaken.
[32:51.800 -> 32:53.200] Yes.
[32:53.200 -> 32:55.000] And then the part was given to Vettel.
[32:55.000 -> 32:57.600] I mean, just is it a similar situation,
[32:57.600 -> 32:58.880] but on a lower scale in a way?
[32:58.880 -> 33:00.720] Because we know who's the talented driver,
[33:00.720 -> 33:02.520] but in that case, it must have been so hard to choose
[33:02.520 -> 33:05.360] for Red Bull.
[33:05.360 -> 33:08.800] Let's face it, Red Bull were in the position of winning races
[33:08.800 -> 33:10.240] at that point.
[33:10.240 -> 33:11.800] Williams aren't.
[33:11.800 -> 33:13.680] Them getting a couple of championship points,
[33:13.680 -> 33:16.360] that's money in the bank for them, literally.
[33:16.360 -> 33:18.440] And they really could do with getting both drivers,
[33:18.440 -> 33:20.360] getting the cars into the points.
[33:20.360 -> 33:30.160] In the Mark Webber situation, it was utterly political. The German-speaking Red Bull senior management
[33:30.160 -> 33:33.840] had made the decision that Vettel was the star of the future.
[33:33.840 -> 33:37.360] Sebastian would turn up, shake hands with everybody in the
[33:37.360 -> 33:42.000] hospitality unit, crack jokes with everybody, go and
[33:42.000 -> 33:44.880] go into the pits, talk to all the mechanics and everything. With all
[33:44.880 -> 33:47.600] respect, Mark used to turn up with a stubble on his chin.
[33:47.600 -> 33:53.960] A nice guy was Mark, but he wouldn't talk to anybody unless it was going to be useful.
[33:53.960 -> 33:55.040] There was a total difference.
[33:55.040 -> 33:57.040] And Red Bull went 100% behind Sebastian.
[33:57.040 -> 33:59.720] Sebastian knew how to work that.
[33:59.720 -> 34:04.560] And that was totally the way that Red Bull operated.
[34:04.560 -> 34:06.040] And Mark felt left out of it. And I think he was quite right. He's not the only person that's felt the way that Red Bull operated and Mark felt left out of it.
[34:06.040 -> 34:07.040] And I think he was quite right.
[34:07.040 -> 34:08.960] He's not the only person that's felt like that in a Red Bull.
[34:08.960 -> 34:13.320] I can probably list you about half a dozen if I sat down.
[34:13.320 -> 34:16.240] You think about the number of people that have been number two in a Red Bull and have
[34:16.240 -> 34:17.640] felt this affected.
[34:17.640 -> 34:22.600] One of the great strengths of Sergio Perez, he's gone in, he hasn't threatened Max Verstappen
[34:22.600 -> 34:26.560] unduly, but he has worked with the team and the team
[34:26.560 -> 34:33.920] see him as a part of the team. It's going to be really quite interesting to see with Pierre Gasly,
[34:33.920 -> 34:38.400] because there's a lot of movement still going on in Red Bull, because Gasly is one of the Red Bull
[34:38.400 -> 34:45.240] young drivers who's stagnated, frankly. Gasly, if he's not in a number two seat in a Red Bull next year
[34:45.240 -> 34:51.240] will feel that he's failed in that respect but would you depose Sergio
[34:51.240 -> 34:55.200] Perez for Gasly at this point? I don't think so I think you've got the perfect
[34:55.200 -> 35:01.560] number two driver. You do and you know a lot of Twitter a lot of people on
[35:01.560 -> 35:06.080] Twitter were asking the question why is it that Perez couldn't actually overtake Carlos Sainz?
[35:06.080 -> 35:08.760] And Christian Horner's given interesting insight.
[35:08.760 -> 35:12.400] You know, the Red Bull, again, wasn't the most reliable car,
[35:12.400 -> 35:15.880] as we heard Perez complaining about, you know, losing power.
[35:15.880 -> 35:18.360] And, you know, he was convincing his engineer, saying,
[35:18.360 -> 35:19.600] what are you talking about the numbers?
[35:19.600 -> 35:21.600] I know I'm not going fast on the straights.
[35:21.600 -> 35:30.000] And he lost some five odd seconds to Carlos Sainz over a single lap and then Horner turned around and said that there was a sensor issue on one of his cylinders
[35:30.000 -> 35:37.680] and they had to manage the show and that cost Perez 30 horsepower in his fight against Carlos
[35:37.680 -> 35:43.520] Sainz and of course no doubt Carlos Sainz drove very well, he defended extremely well but just
[35:43.520 -> 35:45.880] just adding to your point, what
[35:45.880 -> 35:50.620] Checo Perez did last year against Hamilton and now just how close he's
[35:50.620 -> 35:56.420] showing he can be to Max Verstappen, he's made a full case for himself to be
[35:56.420 -> 35:59.980] renewed for at least another couple of seasons. And Pierre Gasly is
[35:59.980 -> 36:04.660] going to struggle to find a competitive seat elsewhere. Maybe Daniel
[36:04.660 -> 36:05.840] Ricardo's seat at McLaren.
[36:05.840 -> 36:07.400] Again, I'm just speculating.
[36:07.400 -> 36:10.160] I think it's a bit early in the season to speculate yet.
[36:10.160 -> 36:12.480] Daniel Ricciardo's still learning that car, that's for sure.
[36:12.960 -> 36:17.480] But there are a couple of people that may move on at the end of the season
[36:17.560 -> 36:22.000] and Pierre Gasly would be in a good position to take advantage of that.
[36:22.000 -> 36:26.000] I can't help but think that Fernando Alonso is in the
[36:26.000 -> 36:30.200] last lap, if not the penultimate lap of his Formula One career.
[36:30.200 -> 36:34.180] Alonso is still driving well, don't get me wrong. He had an
[36:34.180 -> 36:41.520] erratic race this weekend, so did both Alpines, but there is a certain
[36:41.520 -> 36:45.700] timeline by which, even Kimii Raikkonen who would have
[36:45.700 -> 36:48.340] would have he would have carried on until he had walking sticks to get to
[36:48.340 -> 36:52.280] the car you know there's but there has to be a time that comes where you've
[36:52.280 -> 36:56.980] just got to decide just like me hanging up my microphone as a commentator you
[36:56.980 -> 37:03.220] have to decide that maybe maybe maybe it's time to let the kids in well I
[37:03.220 -> 37:06.220] don't think it's the same case maybe not so
[37:06.220 -> 37:10.920] much if you're as good as you are sir again I'm just a fan boy
[37:10.920 -> 37:14.160] you can see me smiling ear to ear throughout this episode because I just
[37:14.160 -> 37:18.480] realized that we're doing this with Steve Slater so again that's my part of
[37:18.480 -> 37:22.580] praise done for today but we have to focus on the more serious formula one
[37:22.580 -> 37:25.000] side of things and I love that you mentioned Fernando Alonso.
[37:25.000 -> 37:28.840] It's like you can read my mind, because I was just about to come to him.
[37:28.840 -> 37:30.800] When has he driven so radically before?
[37:30.800 -> 37:32.920] I just can't seemingly remember.
[37:32.920 -> 37:36.520] And when you look at it from a grand scale of things, right, this is just not what Fernando
[37:36.520 -> 37:38.760] Alonso came back to Formula One for.
[37:38.760 -> 37:40.440] It's quite the opposite, actually.
[37:40.440 -> 37:42.760] So I think you've kind of answered my question in a way.
[37:42.760 -> 37:44.160] Will he stay beyond the season?
[37:44.160 -> 37:47.880] Because it seems like it doesn't make sense from his point of view, isn't it?
[37:48.200 -> 37:52.880] Well, we're still only half well, not even half a dozen before races into the season
[37:52.880 -> 37:58.160] So I'm not too worried yet for Fernando Alonso's future. He is a winner
[37:58.160 -> 38:02.240] He's the he's never the sort of guy would stand at the door and say after you
[38:03.600 -> 38:07.160] He is going to he's going to push as hard as he possibly can.
[38:07.160 -> 38:09.640] I have to ask the same question as Sebastian Vettel.
[38:09.640 -> 38:14.800] You've got two world champions, multiple world champions.
[38:14.800 -> 38:17.320] Which of them is going to lose motivation?
[38:17.320 -> 38:21.120] Vettel would really like to try and make that team work around him.
[38:21.120 -> 38:23.960] And again, you've got another situation there with Lance Stroll.
[38:23.960 -> 38:28.780] He really is that stronger driver in that car, certainly is he capable of working
[38:28.780 -> 38:32.800] through the problems with the car, Vettel's probably better at that. Fernando
[38:32.800 -> 38:37.040] Alonso, it's a team he feels at home in, you have to remember this is the former,
[38:37.040 -> 38:41.840] although it's called Alpine on the car, it is Renault and it's the team he won two
[38:41.840 -> 38:51.400] World Championships with back in the day., I think Fernando, I wouldn't be surprised to see him move on at the end of the year.
[38:51.580 -> 38:56.900] He'll make a heck of a Grand Prix commentator if you can keep him under control.
[38:57.940 -> 39:01.860] Sebastian Vettel, I think he's going to be an asset to Aston Martin, the brand, as well
[39:01.860 -> 39:03.260] as Aston Martin, the F1 team.
[39:03.660 -> 39:06.000] I don't think he'll be going anywhere for a year or two yet.
[39:06.000 -> 39:08.400] He's still got a mountain to climb within that team.
[39:08.400 -> 39:10.480] But we talked earlier about Mercedes,
[39:10.480 -> 39:12.320] and we talked earlier about Williams.
[39:12.320 -> 39:14.480] One thing in common with some of these teams that
[39:14.480 -> 39:17.040] are struggling, they're all using the Mercedes technology.
[39:17.040 -> 39:19.800] And I'm just wondering if the problem lies deeper
[39:19.800 -> 39:22.680] than just the Mercedes chassis, whether there
[39:22.680 -> 39:24.880] is a problem with the power unit, the drivability
[39:24.880 -> 39:28.360] of the power unit the drivability of the power unit that's putting them at a disadvantage to the
[39:28.360 -> 39:34.720] Ferrari and the Red Bull powered cars. That's an interesting point about you
[39:34.720 -> 39:38.400] know Mercedes powered cars and one of the reasons I was reading and it was the
[39:38.400 -> 39:43.320] the great Mark Hughes who pointed this out that McLaren being a
[39:43.320 -> 39:46.000] Mercedes customer are not struggling as
[39:46.000 -> 39:50.380] much because they are using their own gearbox and maybe it's the whole
[39:50.380 -> 39:53.920] placement at the rear and the packaging that's making a difference but
[39:53.920 -> 39:57.880] going back to the two former world champions, former multiple world
[39:57.880 -> 40:03.680] champions I think Fernando Alonso had a very Sebastian Etel-esque race battle
[40:03.680 -> 40:06.080] from his last couple of years at Ferrari, you know.
[40:06.880 -> 40:13.200] I mean, I am, you know, saying this in a light-hearted, with light-hearted spirit, but
[40:13.200 -> 40:19.920] he had two collisions in a race. I can't remember when last did Fernando Alonso have two collisions.
[40:19.920 -> 40:25.320] One was, you know, on the opening lap with Lewis Hamilton and then of course his issue with Pierre Gasly.
[40:25.320 -> 40:28.320] And Alonso being Alonso, he turned around and said,
[40:28.320 -> 40:31.360] I apologize, it was my mistake, I was trying too hard.
[40:31.360 -> 40:34.120] And maybe he was overdriving that Alpine
[40:34.120 -> 40:36.680] because let's remember Esteban Ocon,
[40:36.680 -> 40:39.120] who couldn't start qualifying,
[40:39.120 -> 40:41.400] actually had a fantastic race
[40:41.400 -> 40:43.040] to come up and finish in the points.
[40:43.040 -> 40:45.880] So the difference between really driving the car
[40:45.880 -> 40:49.360] and over driving the car is probably what cost Alpine
[40:49.360 -> 40:51.080] double points because Alonso had, I think,
[40:51.080 -> 40:53.720] two, five second time penalties in the end.
[40:53.720 -> 40:56.400] Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
[40:56.400 -> 40:59.000] Alonso probably was over driving out of frustration.
[41:00.560 -> 41:04.100] I think that you can get to that sort of a situation.
[41:05.320 -> 41:10.480] And in fact, actually, if we look at all the shall we say X world champions
[41:10.600 -> 41:13.460] They all had a pretty torrid race other than max
[41:22.560 -> 41:25.640] Someone it seems you're on mute.
[41:25.640 -> 41:27.560] Your mic button needs to go off.
[41:27.560 -> 41:28.560] There you go.
[41:28.560 -> 41:29.560] Yes.
[41:29.560 -> 41:30.560] I'm sorry.
[41:30.560 -> 41:31.560] I was trying to figure out whether that was a commercial break.
[41:31.560 -> 41:32.560] No, I love it.
[41:32.560 -> 41:36.880] It's been two years since we've been kind of pushed into this virtual world of sorts
[41:36.880 -> 41:39.400] and I still haven't forgotten to do the basic stuff right.
[41:39.400 -> 41:41.760] Again, happens, happens to the best of us.
[41:41.760 -> 41:51.520] But the tougher part was with Haas and Aston Martin, to honest with you because it was so frustrating again fun fun very much fun that battle with
[41:51.520 -> 41:56.080] Magnussen and I think Lance Stoll was pretty amazing and so was the case with Vettel and
[41:56.080 -> 42:02.560] Schumacher until it lasted but I mean I just can't help but think that Haas are just underperforming
[42:02.560 -> 42:05.000] terribly because they've got this amazing package
[42:05.000 -> 42:09.000] but for some reason both their drivers are not able to extract the results that they possibly can.
[42:09.000 -> 42:13.000] Schumacher with the crash, Magnussen with the penalties for weaving.
[42:13.000 -> 42:17.000] Is it just the heat that's getting them wild or is there something deeper to that, sir?
[42:17.000 -> 42:26.640] I think that all of these cars are much more difficult to drive than it appears at first sight. To get the tyres into a temperature
[42:26.640 -> 42:35.840] window where they work is the real challenge and I suspect that Aston Martin, forget the fuel
[42:35.840 -> 42:40.960] temperature issue that put them to this pit lane for the start for this race, they've never really
[42:40.960 -> 42:47.880] been better than midfielders since this season started. They've been tugging around in the middle of the pack, getting a few lucky breaks,
[42:47.880 -> 42:49.360] but quite a few unlucky ones.
[42:50.240 -> 42:55.840] In the case of Haas, this is actually the first time that we don't have a Haas in the points.
[42:56.920 -> 43:00.440] This was the team that was, if it hadn't been for Netflix, I don't think would have survived.
[43:00.920 -> 43:05.600] You know, the Haas team and Gunter Steiner have done a fantastic job of
[43:05.600 -> 43:09.600] regrouping. They didn't spend any money at all last year on their car. They ran
[43:09.600 -> 43:13.440] at the back, they took the start money and they knew they were never going to
[43:13.440 -> 43:16.880] do anything. As Gunter Steiner said in an interview, he says, you know, we're
[43:16.880 -> 43:20.220] the only team that's performed exactly to our expectations. We knew we'd come
[43:20.220 -> 43:27.960] last and we did. The Haas team have done a brilliant job this year.
[43:27.960 -> 43:32.320] It was unfortunate for them that in what is perceived as their home territory in America,
[43:32.320 -> 43:34.960] they couldn't put on a better show for their home fans.
[43:34.960 -> 43:41.720] But I still think that Haas are a top five material if they continue to develop the way
[43:41.720 -> 43:46.080] they have been.
[43:51.280 -> 43:56.800] For everybody listening in and if you're hearing engine sounds in the background, it is because Steve, who of course we know as the Formula One guru, is also the CEO of the
[43:56.800 -> 44:02.640] Light Aircraft Association in the UK. And if my memory is correct, he's sitting at the
[44:02.640 -> 44:05.800] TOW Western Aerodrome in Brackley, Steve.
[44:05.800 -> 44:06.800] That's correct.
[44:06.800 -> 44:10.960] And unfortunately, we just had a couple of aircraft take off about 400 meters from my
[44:10.960 -> 44:13.680] window, which I couldn't do anything about.
[44:13.680 -> 44:14.680] Which is fantastic.
[44:14.680 -> 44:18.920] Knowing your love for aviation, I'm sure you probably just at a glance could be like, ah,
[44:18.920 -> 44:22.280] that aircraft is this make this model this year, this engine.
[44:22.280 -> 44:32.180] I even knew the pilot. But back to our love for
[44:32.180 -> 44:36.080] Formula One, what you know we've heard you and seen you in action while
[44:36.080 -> 44:41.640] growing up and you know Aston Martin, their race was actually done in by the
[44:41.640 -> 44:45.820] two house drivers. You know we saw Kevin McNeilson and Lance Stroll
[44:45.820 -> 44:49.180] have that issue and very strange again.
[44:49.180 -> 44:51.760] And then the unexpected, you know,
[44:51.760 -> 44:54.520] Mick Schumacher and Sebastian Vettel
[44:54.520 -> 44:56.300] going aggressive against each other.
[44:56.300 -> 44:58.880] Now I know that, you know, their crash,
[44:58.880 -> 45:00.580] they've been very diplomatic after it.
[45:00.580 -> 45:04.040] And I know it's not gonna cause any damage to their,
[45:04.040 -> 45:05.360] I don't know, father-son,
[45:05.360 -> 45:10.160] elder brother-younger brother relationship, but it was good to just see that both of them can
[45:10.160 -> 45:15.440] get aggressive with each other if it comes to that. Well, I think actually, until the moment
[45:15.440 -> 45:20.960] of the accident, that was Mick Schumacher's best race he's ever had in Formula One. He's clearly
[45:20.960 -> 45:26.280] talented, he's no fool, he has a good racing brain, he actually put a really
[45:26.280 -> 45:34.000] good overtaking maneuver on Vettel and for all Vettel complaining that he was in a, it
[45:34.000 -> 45:37.800] was a dirty lunch, it wasn't and actually it was Vettel who turned in to him.
[45:37.800 -> 45:42.200] Equally you've got to leave room for each other and the first rule of a race is to finish
[45:42.200 -> 45:50.080] and unfortunately Mikkel have learned from that and Sebastian well Sebastian's not the most aware of races these days we've seen this so many
[45:50.080 -> 45:56.320] times he doesn't see the manoeuvres coming he perhaps has that world champions mentality that
[45:56.320 -> 46:02.480] no one's going to try and move on me and unfortunately it still happens so I have a
[46:02.480 -> 46:05.880] lot of time for Sebastian Vettel but in that particular case I think it was
[46:05.880 -> 46:10.900] at least a 50-50 and it was perfectly justified when that door had been left open of having
[46:10.900 -> 46:13.260] a dirty lunch for it.
[46:13.260 -> 46:17.060] Would we label them as the eight sleep under performers of the race then?
[46:17.060 -> 46:21.540] Because with Aston Martin there was just such a huge surge of pace, I mean we thought that
[46:21.540 -> 46:26.880] they would be completely out of it but since their upgrades have come in they have been able to mingle around a little bit
[46:26.880 -> 46:29.520] and when you consider the fact that Aston Martin started this race from the
[46:29.520 -> 46:33.520] from the pit lane can we label them as one of the underperformers of this race per se?
[46:33.520 -> 46:37.840] Oh absolutely from you know from the mistake that was made in the
[46:37.840 -> 46:46.400] pits where they overcooled the fuel through to mistakes by other incidents with their drivers that potentially were avoidable.
[46:47.360 -> 46:48.560] I think absolutely.
[46:52.320 -> 46:55.380] The team has much better potential than that.
[46:55.380 -> 46:57.560] And I think there's a few logistical problems
[46:57.560 -> 47:00.440] the team probably needs to get right.
[47:00.440 -> 47:02.100] You shouldn't be making fundamental errors
[47:02.100 -> 47:03.440] in the pit garage.
[47:10.920 -> 47:13.760] We saw that in the last couple of years at Ferrari where the mechanic comes scuttling out and somebody says, no the big wheels go on the back and things like that.
[47:13.760 -> 47:23.640] I think that sometimes, and when a team is growing, and Aston Martin is a team that is growing,
[47:23.640 -> 47:28.760] you have to remember this is a team that came out of the old Jordan team so it's
[47:28.760 -> 47:33.760] grown from the Bombers smallest teams on the f1 grid to being a luxury car
[47:33.760 -> 47:41.400] manufacturer supported high intensity you know high visibility team. They'll
[47:41.400 -> 47:49.840] get that they've got some good people in there they'll get the act together but they need to get the act together hmm and well speaking of I just
[47:49.840 -> 47:53.320] have to talk about McLaren as well eventually because this was a bit of a
[47:53.320 -> 47:57.320] torrid weekend for them we discussed the crash but if a crazy one what happened
[47:57.320 -> 48:02.200] but in general to this was McLaren's biggest event per se because they had so
[48:02.200 -> 48:08.560] many guests coming in so many celebrities so many sports stars so so many people that Martin Bernal could annoy on the grid but
[48:08.560 -> 48:09.560] that's beyond the point.
[48:09.560 -> 48:14.680] The point is why just did it all go wrong for McLaren because it seemed like it was
[48:14.680 -> 48:16.400] going fine until last week.
[48:16.400 -> 48:18.800] Suddenly they come here and they hit a wall.
[48:18.800 -> 48:20.760] It has to be track specific, isn't it?
[48:20.760 -> 48:24.960] That just makes it even more fun because this midfield is a hot potato now.
[48:24.960 -> 48:29.280] It's what I was saying earlier about you, it's turning the cars on and turning the cars off
[48:29.280 -> 48:34.000] to suit conditions, getting the temperatures up to the tires up to temperature, getting
[48:34.000 -> 48:41.480] the airflow under the car working to its optimum and it's like what was a double bay window
[48:41.480 -> 48:45.760] of opportunity last season has now narrowed to a chink in the curtains.
[48:45.760 -> 48:50.080] And if you're not in that little bright spot in the curtains, you ain't going
[48:50.080 -> 48:54.880] nowhere and they were definitely in the shade this weekend.
[48:54.880 -> 48:59.720] The one thing I would say is though, I don't know whether you were able to see
[48:59.720 -> 49:07.500] the interview of Zac Brown with Mario Andretti and I thought that because Zac is an absolute
[49:07.500 -> 49:13.560] Formula One race fanatic, he drives his own historic F1 cars, he has cars like the Exaert
[49:13.560 -> 49:18.280] and Senna Lotus Honda Turbo, the car that gave 1400 horsepower for qualifying on the
[49:18.280 -> 49:27.000] street circuit of Adelaide, he's got all sorts of amazing cars and he's a total enthusiast who happens now to have
[49:27.000 -> 49:30.360] made himself the owner of one of the top F1 teams.
[49:30.360 -> 49:35.160] But Zach was having a conversation with Mario Andretti and I think it was Martin Brettel
[49:35.160 -> 49:38.240] that said to Mario, so would you like to drive one of these cars?
[49:38.240 -> 49:39.960] He says, of course I would, he says.
[49:39.960 -> 49:42.000] And he was making very unsubtle hints.
[49:42.000 -> 49:43.320] Yes, I would like to.
[49:43.320 -> 49:45.800] This is on my bucket list, et cetera, et cetera.
[49:45.800 -> 49:48.200] And Zac Brown says, well, okay then.
[49:48.200 -> 49:49.360] See you in Austin.
[49:49.360 -> 49:51.120] We'll sort it for you.
[49:51.120 -> 49:53.400] So we're gonna have the site of 82 year old
[49:53.400 -> 49:55.640] Mario Andretti driving a current Formula One car.
[49:55.640 -> 49:56.600] Now that will be awesome,
[49:56.600 -> 49:57.920] cause Mario won't go slow.
[49:58.800 -> 49:59.640] Wow.
[50:00.920 -> 50:02.960] I mean, that's actually for me was one of the highlights
[50:02.960 -> 50:06.680] of all the pit lane conversations in Miami.
[50:06.680 -> 50:07.680] Andretti for FP1?
[50:07.680 -> 50:13.240] I don't think it will be FP1, it will be a demo but either way it will be fun.
[50:13.240 -> 50:17.320] I mean finally at least we will have one Andretti in a Formula 1 car after all the years of
[50:17.320 -> 50:18.320] waiting.
[50:18.320 -> 50:25.200] It might well be yes, let's not go there because that could be an announcement also at Austin.
[50:29.280 -> 50:34.560] I actually thought there would be some sort of announcement in Miami given Andretti's you know conversations with the FIA and the likes but another conversation that you know I hope
[50:34.560 -> 50:39.840] doesn't come up sometime in Austin is around Daniel Riccardo. You know he's struggling, he's
[50:39.840 -> 50:45.240] still taking time to learn. Somehow McLaren seemed to have lost some patience you
[50:45.240 -> 50:49.480] know they've gravitated all towards Lando Norris and the question has to be
[50:49.480 -> 50:54.560] asked is he a very expensive team leader turned number two driver, could they do
[50:54.560 -> 51:00.160] better getting an American driver not the Andretti, the 82 year old Andretti of
[51:00.160 -> 51:05.120] course. But you know if there is any you know light at the end of the
[51:05.120 -> 51:09.160] tunnel for Daniel Ricciardo and I must say that he his weekend was compromised
[51:09.160 -> 51:14.240] by McLaren largely because you know in qualifying he is scarred in fire up in
[51:14.240 -> 51:19.640] time in Q2 so he had just a two-second margin to get over you know
[51:19.640 -> 51:24.480] and start his final lap so that sort of destroyed his tire preparations and then
[51:24.480 -> 51:29.000] in the race he was stuck in that DRS train which ruined the you know the
[51:29.000 -> 51:33.440] race for a couple of drivers in itself but I'd love to get your view on
[51:33.440 -> 51:38.260] Daniel Ricciardo and then maybe even on the whole DRS trains that we are seeing
[51:38.260 -> 51:42.740] well the DRS trains it's quite interesting I mean the DRS was making
[51:42.740 -> 51:45.000] something like a 20 kilometer an hour difference in speed
[51:46.680 -> 51:48.680] In Miami
[51:48.680 -> 51:54.600] So it basically the DRS train is that the guy in the front of the train doesn't have a DRS that everyone else has
[51:55.720 -> 52:02.280] And I do wonder I've never been a great fan of DRS. It looks too much to me like a PlayStation push-to-pass button
[52:02.920 -> 52:05.280] I would certainly prefer to
[52:05.280 -> 52:11.120] have the drivers do it if they wanted really to get some good some good
[52:11.120 -> 52:15.000] overtaking just make the braking distances longer reduce the amount of
[52:15.000 -> 52:19.440] still further the amount of grip better still reduce the brakes make them break
[52:19.440 -> 52:23.440] earlier and if you did that you'd have longer braking zones you do most of the
[52:23.440 -> 52:25.200] overtaking in a braking zone
[52:26.520 -> 52:30.440] sorted And even even now the front wings are still unduly complicated
[52:30.440 -> 52:34.360] It was my old co-commentator Gary Anderson once I just stick a plank of wood on the front
[52:34.440 -> 52:39.400] The rest of the car has to follow the wing if the wings inefficient the rest of the car will be sliding around as well
[52:39.400 -> 52:41.400] We'll get good racing
[52:41.880 -> 52:45.840] And then it'll be the ultimate test for the Formula One drivers in a way, that's
[52:45.840 -> 52:50.560] a fun idea. Well that's something we should dwell upon a little bit more. Trouble is you
[52:50.560 -> 52:54.280] try and tell that to a bunch of Formula One teams that have each got 300 people working
[52:54.280 -> 53:00.600] in their aerodynamics department. What do you mean we'll have to fire 200 of them, if
[53:00.600 -> 53:05.600] that'll be the case in that sense. No it's crazy, it'll be fun it just raises the
[53:05.600 -> 53:09.600] challenge more for drivers like Machado in a way because then you've just got to fight the car a
[53:09.600 -> 53:13.440] bit more. Well exactly and actually they've gone some other way to doing that with this current
[53:13.440 -> 53:21.360] spec f1 car it's the shorter wheelbase it's heavier it's got the bigger profile tire lower
[53:21.360 -> 53:30.920] profile tire a lot of the things on that car are actually doing exactly that. But it would be for me still, you know, if everyone's ever
[53:30.920 -> 53:34.800] seen a Formula Ford or even Formula Maruti race where you've got minimal
[53:34.800 -> 53:38.200] downforce, you get some great driving at that. There's people going from
[53:38.200 -> 53:42.640] opposite lock to opposite lock and they're still halfway down the straight.
[53:42.720 -> 53:47.600] Yeah, those races are fun to watch. I mean that's the whole talk right,
[53:47.600 -> 53:54.720] tougher the car more fun it is, I just love it. Well, and well before we actually go to just
[53:54.720 -> 53:57.840] some of the track changes and we just want to talk more about Ricciardo and
[53:58.640 -> 54:03.040] what do you reckon about him, too early, too late, is he still the team leader per se?
[54:03.760 -> 54:07.280] I don't know whether he's still the team leader. I think Lando Norris has actually
[54:07.280 -> 54:12.240] demonstrated a superiority within that team and it's very difficult for Daniel to come back from
[54:12.240 -> 54:16.800] it but he was the new kid on the block in the team anyway. He replaced Carlos Sainz. Look at
[54:16.800 -> 54:22.400] Carlos Sainz at Ferrari. He's being out still comfortably, relatively comfortably outpaced by
[54:24.560 -> 54:29.000] Charles Leclerc. Charles Leclerc is sort of a de facto team leader.
[54:29.000 -> 54:32.000] When you're leading a world championship, the team has to listen.
[54:32.000 -> 54:37.000] I don't think Daniel is at the end of his career by any stretch.
[54:37.000 -> 54:44.000] Whether he will go on longer with McLaren, you have to remember he's jumped around from team to team to team a little bit.
[54:44.000 -> 54:46.080] And we've seen some really talented
[54:46.400 -> 54:48.640] drivers spoil their careers by doing that and
[54:49.680 -> 54:54.000] I would certainly if I was his manager I'd be saying ride it out for another year
[54:54.000 -> 54:59.040] Just get your feet under this table. Make sure that you're contributing to the team and take it from there
[55:00.240 -> 55:09.120] It's a bit of a torrid situation for him. Nobody likes to see him in that sense. Worse yet, not even anyone in McLaren would want to see that because it's crazy how lopsided
[55:09.120 -> 55:10.160] the team is becoming.
[55:10.160 -> 55:14.960] But to more positive things, to more, let's say, things that leave you on a better note,
[55:14.960 -> 55:19.680] just to wrap off the track, would you recommend any changes per se for next year?
[55:19.680 -> 55:24.720] I mean, I know if you were Esteban Ocon, you'd be saying, change the wall at the chicane.
[55:24.720 -> 55:27.120] But what about you, sir?
[55:27.120 -> 55:27.800] Absolutely.
[55:27.800 -> 55:30.040] Tech pro barriers wouldn't take away from the racing
[55:30.040 -> 55:31.440] there at all.
[55:31.440 -> 55:37.720] And I think we were very lucky, both in practice and the race.
[55:37.720 -> 55:40.320] We didn't have a car hit the barrier really hard there.
[55:40.320 -> 55:42.720] I mean, I still, it was miraculous
[55:42.720 -> 55:45.240] when Lando Norris and Pierre Gasly had that collision,
[55:45.240 -> 55:48.680] how Lando somehow stayed away from the barriers on it.
[55:48.680 -> 55:52.760] I mean, that was an amazing piece of luck really,
[55:52.760 -> 55:55.080] and we shouldn't be relying on luck for safety.
[55:56.240 -> 55:58.640] A TECPO barrier, for those that don't know it,
[55:58.640 -> 56:03.640] is basically some plastic, shaped plastic barrels,
[56:04.100 -> 56:06.040] which contain a certain amount of water.
[56:06.040 -> 56:10.060] When you hit them by the water blowing out through a valve,
[56:10.060 -> 56:12.540] it actually, you'll see the water go everywhere,
[56:12.540 -> 56:14.560] but that actually controls the deflation.
[56:14.560 -> 56:16.700] It's not just like a balloon, so it'll burst.
[56:16.700 -> 56:18.780] It actually controls the deflation
[56:18.780 -> 56:20.500] and they're very, very sophisticated.
[56:20.500 -> 56:22.940] It was actually Singapore was the very first track
[56:22.940 -> 56:24.820] to put TechPro barriers in.
[56:24.820 -> 56:25.280] And that was back in what, 2010, 2009. It was actually Singapore was the very first track to put tech pro barriers in and
[56:27.560 -> 56:28.200] That was back in what 2010 2009?
[56:29.800 -> 56:36.480] and Those tech pro barriers really have to save lives in motorcycle racing and I'm pretty sure the save lives in other forms of motor racing
[56:36.480 -> 56:38.080] as well and
[56:38.080 -> 56:39.440] these days
[56:39.440 -> 56:44.400] Well, it's all very heroic and everything. There's really no real need to cream a car down a concrete barrier
[56:50.320 -> 56:56.120] There are better alternatives available as they say. And I think the bigger challenge was the tarmac in itself you know.
[56:56.120 -> 57:00.320] I don't think they anticipated what the heat and the grip of
[57:00.320 -> 57:04.160] the Formula One cars would actually do to things because again just to quote
[57:04.160 -> 57:07.840] Daniel Ricciardo you know he said that Formula One drivers seemed
[57:07.840 -> 57:13.080] very amateur in their lines through turn 17 because he said there was such little
[57:13.080 -> 57:17.400] grip out there that they had no clue what they were doing and that's you know
[57:17.400 -> 57:21.760] we saw so many drivers take different lines in fact Valtteri Bottas
[57:21.760 -> 57:26.540] himself you know he's probably he said I break the fraction too late, too little,
[57:26.540 -> 57:29.780] and then almost ended up nudging the ball.
[57:29.780 -> 57:33.220] So hopefully that's something that they will keep in mind.
[57:33.220 -> 57:35.480] But the one thing I wish they don't change, Steve,
[57:35.480 -> 57:40.040] is what Yuki Tsunoda called as the Formula E sector, right?
[57:40.040 -> 57:41.440] Which was the final sector,
[57:41.440 -> 57:43.580] which was everything is slow and twisted.
[57:43.580 -> 57:47.560] And of course, you know, Max Verst Stappan explained why he thinks that they should
[57:47.560 -> 57:52.640] change that sector. He said, this generation of cars are too long, too wide
[57:52.920 -> 57:57.800] and too heavy for such slow speed Mickey Mouse stuff as, you know, I would call it
[57:58.040 -> 57:59.680] while growing up racing.
[57:59.960 -> 58:02.240] But personally speaking, I just loved it.
[58:02.240 -> 58:07.280] You know, I'm saying a Formula One car should be tested across all sorts of corners,
[58:07.280 -> 58:09.320] including all the Formula E stuff,
[58:09.320 -> 58:12.100] because hey, the Formula E cars are sometimes
[58:12.100 -> 58:14.960] being driven on Formula One circuits anyway.
[58:14.960 -> 58:16.840] Yeah, I kind of agree with you.
[58:16.840 -> 58:18.960] And bear in mind, I've seen far worse
[58:18.960 -> 58:20.360] street circuits in America.
[58:20.360 -> 58:22.740] I remember going to St. Petersburg in Florida
[58:22.740 -> 58:24.200] for an IndyCar race.
[58:24.200 -> 58:25.920] And I stood on the tracks
[58:25.920 -> 58:30.640] or walking along the track before racing started thinking, well, this is a nice wide pit lane.
[58:30.640 -> 58:31.920] Then I realized it was the track.
[58:31.920 -> 58:34.720] It's actually an airfield.
[58:34.720 -> 58:35.760] It's just an airfield.
[58:35.760 -> 58:38.240] St. Petersburg, isn't it?
[58:38.240 -> 58:40.240] No, the front stretch of it.
[58:40.240 -> 58:40.960] Yeah.
[58:40.960 -> 58:41.520] Oh, yeah.
[58:41.520 -> 58:43.040] That's the runway or taxiway.
[58:43.040 -> 58:45.640] But I mean, the old Sebring airfield in Florida, of course, that's the runway or taxiway. I mean the old Sebring
[58:45.640 -> 58:50.960] airfield in Florida of course is just an airfield. You raced
[58:50.960 -> 58:56.880] around bollards and avoided the C-130s. And excuse the airplane noises above me,
[58:56.880 -> 59:01.760] we had race cars testing on the runway the other week so this is back to its
[59:01.760 -> 59:08.000] normal years. But the track surface, actually, I didn't,
[59:09.000 -> 59:10.620] I mean, the teams will complain about it
[59:10.620 -> 59:12.420] because it's difficult to get it to work.
[59:12.420 -> 59:15.000] But actually, we need different track surfaces.
[59:15.000 -> 59:16.660] And if you think that track surface is dodgy,
[59:16.660 -> 59:18.380] you try Monaco.
[59:18.380 -> 59:20.540] And we have to remember the Formula One cars
[59:20.540 -> 59:24.360] are so, generate so much suction underneath them
[59:24.360 -> 59:25.360] that if you run them on
[59:25.360 -> 59:30.200] a street circuit you have to weld the manhole covers down. We've seen Formula
[59:30.200 -> 59:35.520] One cars actually suck up a 200 pound iron manhole cover from the
[59:35.520 -> 59:39.640] tarmac so you've actually got to bolt them into place and then weld them so
[59:39.640 -> 59:43.120] street circuits are always going to be a challenge. This really was a street
[59:43.120 -> 59:50.480] circuit it was a circuit around the parking lot effectively. Steve just at
[59:50.480 -> 59:53.960] the end of the conversation you brought up something you mentioned in the
[59:53.960 -> 59:58.640] broadcasts while I was growing up about the manhole covers being welded and just
[59:58.640 -> 01:00:04.200] the amount of downforce the cars would generate and I kid you not every single
[01:00:04.200 -> 01:00:05.220] person who I tried to
[01:00:05.220 -> 01:00:10.760] convert into becoming a Formula One fan I would say exactly this fact of course
[01:00:10.760 -> 01:00:15.600] as though I was the one who found out the fact so it brings back so many
[01:00:15.600 -> 01:00:21.280] memories when you speak of all the manhole covers and and it's thank you so
[01:00:21.280 -> 01:00:24.400] much for doing that. It's alright I think it's welded in my mind because I
[01:00:24.400 -> 01:00:25.200] think I had to talk myself I think I've had to talk
[01:00:25.280 -> 01:00:31.460] Myself and Steve Dawson had to talk for something like two hours while the racing was suspended while they welded the manhole covers up in
[01:00:31.460 -> 01:00:33.460] Montreal
[01:00:33.760 -> 01:00:37.660] Well, imagine what it'll be like in Monaco where we do have manhole covers
[01:00:37.660 -> 01:00:42.920] I hope they do the world because John effect cars, but but it's crazy to think that what will exactly happen, right?
[01:00:43.760 -> 01:00:48.360] yeah, well Monaco has has a long history of course of preparing for the race and
[01:00:49.120 -> 01:00:54.840] I think was Eddie Irvine once said that that track really is it shouldn't have be a Formula One cars
[01:00:54.840 -> 01:00:57.360] He says it's like riding a mountain bike around your living room
[01:00:58.600 -> 01:01:00.600] so I
[01:01:00.800 -> 01:01:04.520] Mean I always remember a great statistic my friends at the Singapore Grand Prix
[01:01:04.880 -> 01:01:09.600] Brought out which was the Anderson Bridge, you know the really narrow bridge in Singapore?
[01:01:09.600 -> 01:01:10.840] Correct, yeah.
[01:01:10.840 -> 01:01:17.800] Yeah, that's wider than the parts of the Monaco Grand Prix circuit.
[01:01:17.800 -> 01:01:19.680] You're kidding me?
[01:01:19.680 -> 01:01:20.680] No.
[01:01:20.680 -> 01:01:21.680] Wow.
[01:01:21.680 -> 01:01:25.820] So that's, yeah, most of the Monaco Grand Prix circuit is about the same width as the
[01:01:25.820 -> 01:01:32.060] Anderson Bridge. But again you just don't need that wide of a circuit because Formula
[01:01:32.060 -> 01:01:36.700] E just went there this past weekend and just made everyone realise that it's probably the
[01:01:36.700 -> 01:01:41.620] cars not the track that's the major difference but hey that's just what it is right. That's
[01:01:41.620 -> 01:01:45.560] just a long run thing for F1 whether whether you decide to go back to the better, more
[01:01:45.560 -> 01:01:50.760] agile, nimble cars with retains, I know I'm a bit biased in that case, but as we wrap
[01:01:50.760 -> 01:01:54.560] off this episode, sir, I just have to ask you about your boat predictions for the end
[01:01:54.560 -> 01:01:55.560] of the year.
[01:01:55.560 -> 01:02:00.520] From what we've seen so far, what would be one that you are going to make?
[01:02:00.520 -> 01:02:06.320] My heart says I'd love to see Ferrari at the top of the podium, perhaps at very
[01:02:06.320 -> 01:02:10.520] least at Monza in leading the World Championship at Monza and the Tifosi
[01:02:10.520 -> 01:02:16.280] going crazy. My head says that with Max and Red Bull as they are at the moment
[01:02:16.280 -> 01:02:23.040] don't count against the two times world champion. I would I'll have a bold
[01:02:23.040 -> 01:02:30.000] prediction in George Russell actually winning at least a couple of races before the end of the season.
[01:02:30.000 -> 01:02:36.000] I think Mercedes is going to make the rocket ship technology work and they're going to bounce back.
[01:02:36.000 -> 01:02:44.000] So maybe Hamilton will win but I think there'll be more joy in watching Russell take a couple of wins this season, Samuel.
[01:02:44.000 -> 01:02:45.580] And Samuel Samuel what would
[01:02:45.580 -> 01:02:51.820] yours be? Oh I better be ready with one huh? I better be ready with one. I have been stumped here
[01:02:51.820 -> 01:02:56.780] quite clearly. Okay let me go for this I think Sergio Perez is going to win no
[01:02:56.780 -> 01:03:00.860] races this year. I just get a feeling I don't think they will let him so that
[01:03:00.860 -> 01:03:08.000] there's mine. But folks I I hope you enjoyed this episode because I certainly did.
[01:03:08.000 -> 01:03:10.000] I'm sitting right here, as I mentioned, in the middle.
[01:03:10.000 -> 01:03:15.000] I just constantly have to realize that we are doing this with you, sir, with Mr. Steve Slater.
[01:03:15.000 -> 01:03:17.000] So it's great having you on, sir.
[01:03:17.000 -> 01:03:21.000] And to everyone who's listened and everyone who's watched to this point, thank you so much.
[01:03:21.000 -> 01:03:23.000] And I hope you enjoyed it. I hope you had a good time.
[01:03:23.000 -> 01:03:26.440] And you know what to do, right? You know all the good stuff. You've been on the internet for
[01:03:26.440 -> 01:03:31.080] around 10 years now. Leave a like, share, subscribe, give a good rating, all that other
[01:03:31.080 -> 01:03:34.800] stuff. But once again, sir, thank you for being a part of this episode. So, so great
[01:03:34.800 -> 01:03:38.800] to have you on and I just wish we can do this more often.
[01:03:38.800 -> 01:03:46.080] Well it's my pleasure to be with you and the old stump Steve is still working quite nicely and if
[01:03:46.080 -> 01:03:49.200] anyone has any questions you want to ask let's try and get them done in the next
[01:03:49.200 -> 01:03:55.580] podcast or in a future podcast. As you both know my work around aviation
[01:03:55.580 -> 01:03:58.820] means I have to attend a lot of flying events and things like that through the
[01:03:58.820 -> 01:04:03.880] summer so I'm sometimes a bit like the rest of you I'm sitting awake at
[01:04:03.880 -> 01:04:08.840] late at night watching it on the TV with a beer can in my hand.
[01:04:08.840 -> 01:04:14.520] But have sympathy with me, I'll be more than happy when I can to be able to join you for
[01:04:14.520 -> 01:04:15.520] another podcast.
[01:04:15.520 -> 01:04:18.760] That's fantastic, thank you so much.
[01:04:18.760 -> 01:04:20.640] Awesome, thank you sir.
[01:04:20.640 -> 01:04:23.120] Thank you so much, thank you guys, thank you for watching, thank you for listening.
[01:04:23.120 -> 01:04:24.120] See you and have a good week.
[01:04:24.120 -> None] Bye bye. you