F1 Drive To Survive Season 5 Reaction PART 2 | DTS Ep. 6-10 | Grid Walk Show

Welcome to part 2 of Grid Walk Show’s reaction to season 5 of Netflix’s Drive to Survive. Briana and Nicole are giving you their honest and raw reaction while binge watching the entire new season of Drive to Survive. In Part 2, Briana and Nicole breakdown Episode 6-”Nice Guys Finish Last," Episode 7-”Hot Seat,” Episode 8-”Alpha Male,” Episode 9-“Over the Limit,” and Episode 10-”End of the Road.”

What is Grid Walk you ask? Nicole and Briana aim to bring their F1 group chat to you every Thursday with funny recurring segments and fast-paced banter. Grid Walk releases every week (not just race weeks). No recaps here - we discuss the most interesting topics of the week by trying to discover why decisions were made and/or make predictions for the future. For daily F1 content follow @gridwalkshow on all social media platforms.

Brianna and Nicole record their reactions to watching Season 5 of the Netflix docuseries Drive to Survive, which covers the 2022 Formula One racing season. They provide in-depth commentary while analyzing each episode and the overall portrayals of teams, drivers, and key storylines.

In Episode 6, they react to Daniel Ricciardo's painful exit from McLaren as he loses his race seat. They feel the behind-the-scenes access to meetings with team principals is a strength of the episode, though the on-track battle for the open Alpine seat is fabricated. They debate whether Ricciardo ever actually had a chance at Alonso’s vacant seat while dissecting the PR and contract negotiations shown between drivers like Piere Gasly, Daniel Ricciardo, and teams like Alpine and McLaren.

Nicole in particular finds it difficult to watch Ricciardo struggle through the season only to ultimately lose his drive, rating it highly for emotional impact but critical of manufactured driver battles on track. Brianna highlights McLaren’s reputation taking a hit as they mishandled telling Ricciardo about his exit. They lament the lack of closure or full-circle moment with Ricciardo returning to Red Bull.

In Episode 7, they criticize the focus on Perez’s contract renewal with Red Bull centering around his Monaco GP win, when most signs already pointed to his pre-Monaco re-signing. Too much race replay footage and not enough behind-the-scenes access or context around suspicions Perez crashed deliberately in qualifying.

Episode 8 explores Yuki Tsunoda’s growth alongside Pierre Gasly’s mentorship, but the hosts find the episode bland and lacking heart, missing the mundane off-track personality moments that make Drive to Survive different from a regular F1 season recap.

The critical Episode 9 examines Red Bull’s budget cap violation and how the team spins its PR response, with good insider meetings shown prior to Horner addressing the media. The hosts get fiery discussing the penalties, frustrated that the breach occurs during Red Bull’s 2021 title win over Lewis Hamilton. They dissect Horner’s defense and the long-term implications of the ruling undermining budget cap integrity in the future.

In the finale, Brianna and Nicole feel bittersweet about the Ricciardo tribute montage, sharing criticism about the short runtime and how the ending lacks closure for some driver moves happening in the offseason. They speculate Drive to Survive is missing key context for viewers unfamiliar with nuances about certain personalities appearing at the end.

Rating the season overall, Nicole finds it emotionally taxing while Brianna sees positives in the unfiltered nature of Mercedes’ porpoising and Red Bull rule-breaking crises being displayed. They express disappointment about too few episodes showing their favorite drivers’ personalities off the track. They feel Drive to Survive depends on characters and compelling individual story arcs, which were lacking beyond the Ricciardo and Piastri sóap operas.

They reaffirm love for F1 and hope producers reflect on feedback for Season 6, wanting more silly filler moments that don’t feel so race-recap dependent. The hosts believe lead figures like Max Verstappen exerting more creative control contributed to reduced drama and access. They also felt emotional driver interviews were down despite the huge personality characters like Leclerc and Sainz possess.

In summary, Brianna and Nicole rate Season 5 as mediocre overall but stress optimism about the future. They acknowledge the crucial platform Drive to Survive represents to expand F1 fandom. They can’t wait to cover the 2023 season themselves using more podcast reaction episodes to analyze real-time events with their trademark humor and hot takes.

[00:00.000 -> 00:01.280] We did it!
[00:01.280 -> 00:03.200] Do you know what this means, Nicole?
[00:03.200 -> 00:04.240] It means we're done.
[00:04.240 -> 00:07.840] It means that it means we're done and we get to go to sleep soon.
[00:09.600 -> 00:13.600] Hello everyone, it is Brianna the next day from my editing cave.
[00:14.320 -> 00:17.680] Nicole and I last night while watching this in our delirium
[00:17.680 -> 00:20.960] recorded a lot more content than we expected.
[00:21.520 -> 00:26.300] So I'm going to be splitting up these reactions into multiple parts.
[00:26.300 -> 00:27.440] Thank you all for listening
[00:27.440 -> 00:30.600] to this special DTS episode of Gridwalk.
[00:30.600 -> 00:35.600] It's obviously a different episode than normal.
[00:37.280 -> 00:39.200] One, it is not a Thursday.
[00:39.200 -> 00:41.320] Two, Nicole's in a different place.
[00:41.320 -> 00:44.440] My lighting is less dramatic and I'm in a blanket.
[00:45.560 -> 00:48.880] And that's because this is our DTS reaction show.
[00:51.080 -> 00:52.480] Woo-hoo, yes.
[00:52.480 -> 00:55.960] So normally we do release our episodes every Thursday.
[00:55.960 -> 00:58.760] We talk about what we're obsessing with F1 that week,
[00:58.760 -> 01:01.280] lots of fun, quick-witted banter,
[01:01.280 -> 01:04.760] silly little segments that we do every single week,
[01:04.760 -> 01:05.300] lots of fun
[01:05.300 -> 01:11.600] sounders. We're a little chaotic but in the best way possible. So overall
[01:11.600 -> 01:17.040] disclaimer, we are both the type of people who wake up at the crack of dawn, 3 a.m.
[01:17.040 -> 01:22.240] for me for Bahrain, to watch Free Practice 1, which is not a points-giving
[01:22.240 -> 01:26.560] session, so we do know all the details about what
[01:26.560 -> 01:32.660] happened in the season last year because we followed it obsessively, and so a lot
[01:32.660 -> 01:37.640] of what Drive to Survive is, is simplifying storylines and making them
[01:37.640 -> 01:41.800] accessible for new people to come in, which is why it's so cool and we're
[01:41.800 -> 01:45.200] mostly just excited to get behind the scenes of all our favorite F1
[01:45.200 -> 01:51.920] personalities but we are coming at it from that perspective. But big F1 fans and love Drive to
[01:51.920 -> 01:58.000] Survive so gonna get mostly positive excitement and panic from us over here as we see all the
[01:58.000 -> 02:09.040] behind the scenes. Yes we are here for the drama. Parker's here for this chew stick. He wanted to participate in the conversation so we're having him distracted but yes we're here for the drama. Parker's here for this chew stick. We wanted to participate in the conversation, so we're having him distracted. But yes, we're here
[02:09.040 -> 02:14.560] for the drama. This is a Netflix show. It's for entertainment. I'm sure there will be, you know,
[02:14.560 -> 02:21.200] not exactly how everything that happened, but it's fun. Reality TV. We love it. I actually do
[02:21.200 -> 02:26.720] love reality TV. All right, so how this episode is going to work is we're going to be reacting
[02:26.720 -> 02:29.120] to every single episode after we watch it.
[02:29.120 -> 02:31.360] So right now, neither of us have seen anything.
[02:31.360 -> 02:33.280] Of course, we know what happened in the season,
[02:33.280 -> 02:35.600] but we haven't seen a single episode of Drive to Survive.
[02:35.600 -> 02:37.600] We're going to put it on, and then we're going to come back,
[02:37.600 -> 02:41.680] and we're going to record our thoughts, give you our instant reactions.
[02:41.680 -> 02:48.640] We're actually going to rate everything from one light, two lights out and away we go, which will be fun. And then of course
[02:48.640 -> 02:51.360] whether you're listening to this or watching it on YouTube, we're gonna have
[02:51.360 -> 02:56.200] time codes and chapters, so if you listen to a specific episode you want to jump
[02:56.200 -> 03:01.240] and hear our thoughts about that, you'll be easily able to do that. And then of
[03:01.240 -> 03:06.620] course we want to hear your thoughts, so you know, we want to hear your thoughts. So, you know, we want to hear your thoughts.
[03:06.620 -> 03:10.100] So head over to at Gridwalk Show on any social media channel.
[03:10.100 -> 03:11.100] Tell us what you thought.
[03:11.100 -> 03:13.960] Did you agree with our take on every episode?
[03:13.960 -> 03:17.100] I think there's going to be a few based on the titles that Nicole and I are going to
[03:17.100 -> 03:19.180] feel vastly different about.
[03:19.180 -> 03:20.840] I think a few are going to make us cry.
[03:20.840 -> 03:24.780] So we want to hear how they make you feel.
[03:24.780 -> 03:25.580] Also if you have found
[03:25.580 -> 03:30.680] this video or this podcast because this is your first foray into F1 like please
[03:30.680 -> 03:36.760] stick around we're not like a tech podcast or an educational podcast but we
[03:36.760 -> 03:42.300] are just like a fun group chat. Thank You Parker thank you for agreeing Parker is
[03:42.300 -> 03:48.960] a part of our group chat. So we would love to have you, we'd love to have all new fans and like anyone who's just
[03:48.960 -> 03:53.520] excited about F1, like join us, join Gridwalk. It'll be a lot of fun to have you.
[03:54.640 -> 03:58.720] Hello, it is Editing Brianna again popping in here to say that we're gonna roll right into
[03:58.720 -> 04:04.000] episode six. If you missed our reactions to episodes one through five, they are on the
[04:04.000 -> 04:06.060] same podcast feed you're listening to.
[04:06.060 -> 04:09.100] So feel free to head back to those, listen to those.
[04:09.100 -> 04:11.800] And also there are time codes in the descriptions
[04:11.800 -> 04:14.220] to pop around to whatever episode you would like.
[04:14.220 -> 04:15.540] This one you're listening to right now
[04:15.540 -> 04:18.940] also includes our final takes on the season as a whole.
[04:18.940 -> 04:20.380] Enjoy.
[04:20.380 -> 04:21.200] I'm tired.
[04:22.100 -> 04:22.940] I'm sad.
[04:24.020 -> 04:29.120] That made me like just, I hated watching that whole thing of just like, is it Pierre? Is
[04:29.120 -> 04:36.080] it Daniel? And I'm just like, like, I like that I got to see that there were like conversations
[04:36.080 -> 04:42.960] of other teams, like considering Ricardo, like, yes, that's like obvious, because they
[04:42.960 -> 04:47.760] just can like consider anyone with experience. I just feel sad. I feel gross
[04:47.760 -> 04:54.360] I feel like I did post-coda like standing on the track like staring at his garage and I'm just like
[04:55.240 -> 04:56.680] well
[04:56.680 -> 04:59.520] Will I ever see this again? I don't know
[05:00.240 -> 05:01.920] so I
[05:01.920 -> 05:03.920] feel sad like I
[05:04.720 -> 05:06.000] feel bummed Like, I just feel bummed.
[05:06.000 -> 05:16.000] Yeah, I mean, I think it's an understandable feeling when your favorite driver loses his seat and then you have to relive it.
[05:16.000 -> 05:24.000] That's really sad. And I was sad on your behalf. I think watching you go through this episode was really painful.
[05:24.000 -> 05:27.280] It's a good Drive to Survive episode.
[05:27.280 -> 05:32.880] Yeah, like, to not just completely be solemn, I'll break it up.
[05:33.760 -> 05:37.440] I think Drive to Survive really thrives when it's not on track.
[05:37.440 -> 05:42.880] I think the worst parts of this episode were like trying to make it seem like at that one race,
[05:42.880 -> 05:46.480] Pierre and Daniel were racing for the seat,
[05:47.040 -> 05:52.480] when I think we know in hindsight that like there was no way Daniel was getting that seat ever.
[05:52.480 -> 05:58.160] Like all the- but I loved all the behind the scenes clips. Like I remember hearing a rumor
[05:58.160 -> 06:05.280] that Oscar went and met with Zach and was like, hey we might might sue him. And like, I thought it was cool to see that meeting.
[06:06.240 -> 06:10.960] And then like Zach thinking he could pitch the driver swap,
[06:10.960 -> 06:16.240] I thought was, you know, in hindsight, hold on, putting things together right now.
[06:16.240 -> 06:30.700] We heard a lot right after this about a driver swap and McLaren is always one to use the press. I wonder how much McLaren fed the idea that Daniel could, an Oscar could be
[06:30.700 -> 06:36.860] swapped to the press to try to get fan support for that, because I thought so
[06:36.860 -> 06:42.180] much of what was painful of Daniel losing his seat as someone who's not a Daniel
[06:42.180 -> 06:48.000] Ricardo fan watching it from the outside was the stringing along of him maybe getting the Alpine seat,
[06:48.000 -> 06:52.000] when I think in hindsight there was no shot of that?
[06:52.000 -> 06:56.000] Yeah, I mean, just from, exactly as they touched upon,
[06:56.000 -> 06:59.000] with how it was with Reynolds, like...
[06:59.000 -> 07:01.000] They weren't hiring him back.
[07:01.000 -> 07:03.000] They were not going to bring him back.
[07:03.000 -> 07:04.000] And...
[07:04.000 -> 07:08.560] I don't... it just just was it was sucky and
[07:08.560 -> 07:13.680] I and I know how it ends and everything's fine and he seems so very
[07:13.680 -> 07:21.120] happy now but like I hate seeing sad Ricardo as I did for like basically all
[07:21.120 -> 07:27.440] of last season yeah like after Miami it just was all bad. It was
[07:27.440 -> 07:34.280] pretty bad for... yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think this is the first time McLaren has ever
[07:34.280 -> 07:39.720] left a Drive to Survive season with egg on their face, like, to quote you from
[07:39.720 -> 07:48.800] before. And rightfully so, in my opinion. I was a little curious if because Daniel Riccardo is so important to Drive to Survive, if they
[07:48.800 -> 07:56.220] were going to super pretend like he wasn't having an awful season or like really slam
[07:56.220 -> 07:57.220] this in his way.
[07:57.220 -> 08:06.480] But I was not in no way you could cut last season to look favorably for him in any capacity, even Mexico. Like...
[08:08.480 -> 08:14.080] I don't know. They've done, like, more cutting than that. So I thought they were very honest
[08:14.080 -> 08:18.960] about why Daniel lost his seat, and I thought they were really honest about why he was never
[08:18.960 -> 08:24.240] really going to get that Alpine seat. Yeah, I agree. But they did that while also
[08:28.040 -> 08:38.520] PNC. Yeah, I agree. But they did that while also showing the fiasco of it and implying that maybe McLaren didn't handle this whole thing very well. And I
[08:38.520 -> 08:48.000] don't fundamentally disagree. Not a Landon Norris fan, but I do not fundamentally disagree with his lack of sympathy
[08:48.000 -> 08:55.000] and it's okay that he feels that way, but it is, like even when those quotes came out when this happened
[08:55.000 -> 08:59.000] like the press blunder that that is and continues to be
[08:59.000 -> 09:03.000] like even if you start it with like what everyone else does of
[09:03.000 -> 09:05.360] you know it's difficult, like this is a cutthroat sport,
[09:05.360 -> 09:09.240] this is how it is, it's really unfortunate, like whatever.
[09:09.240 -> 09:11.200] He's like, no, I don't feel bad.
[09:11.200 -> 09:13.040] Oh, I'm already leading the team.
[09:13.040 -> 09:15.960] Like, there's just, like, I...
[09:15.960 -> 09:18.520] If you don't want to be the bad guy.
[09:18.520 -> 09:21.560] This all goes back to my Max Verstappen discussion
[09:21.560 -> 09:24.280] of, hey, just be the heel, lean into it.
[09:24.280 -> 09:25.520] But clearly McLaren and Lando do not want hey, just be the heel, lean into it. But clearly, McLaren and
[09:25.520 -> 09:31.280] Lando do not want Lando to be the heel. I'm so angry! All right, you go first. How would you
[09:31.280 -> 09:36.480] rate this episode? I don't know. As a Grab to Survive episode, for emotional impact, it's like
[09:36.480 -> 09:50.000] in the gutter. It's a good episode. I'm trying to think of like if I like removed of knowledge and like removed of emotions and if I was just like a person who was not a big F1 fan.
[09:50.000 -> 10:05.320] Well, add that in. That's important context. because it, right, like I am acknowledging that like, I don't, because I feel so sad and shitty.
[10:05.320 -> 10:10.320] Like I do not want to, or sad and crappy, however we want.
[10:11.880 -> 10:15.280] At this point I'm just like descending into the abduction.
[10:15.280 -> 10:17.160] But it's a great episode.
[10:17.160 -> 10:20.320] It gave a lot of the behind the scenes context.
[10:20.320 -> 10:22.240] And if I gave the last episode a five,
[10:22.240 -> 10:23.800] I think I need to give this one a lights out
[10:23.800 -> 10:26.400] because it does, you know, it's very F1.
[10:26.400 -> 10:30.900] It gives the behind the scenes of what I've wanted to see for months.
[10:30.900 -> 10:32.400] I'm not happy about-
[10:32.400 -> 10:34.400] Lights out and away we go!
[10:34.400 -> 10:34.900] Sorry.
[10:34.900 -> 10:37.600] Yep, we had lights out and away we go.
[10:39.600 -> 10:40.100] Sorry.
[10:41.900 -> 10:43.200] And yours?
[10:44.900 -> 10:50.560] So I give the last one a lights out. I think I'm, I don't know, I'm teetering
[10:50.560 -> 10:56.400] on a four or five. I think I'm gonna lean towards a five because we saw so much behind the scenes I
[10:56.400 -> 11:02.160] wanted to see. The reason it's not a lights out for me is because the eight minutes of on-track
[11:02.160 -> 11:05.680] action where they pretended like Gasly and Ricardo were fighting like I
[11:05.920 -> 11:11.960] Just thought if you're gonna do it like to fake it briefly and then there was definitely some races where they were
[11:11.960 -> 11:17.280] but it was never that long and then also like that radio was definitely like
[11:17.680 -> 11:23.400] Taken from another time because there's obvious there were definitely moments where they were battling because I was I would be like
[11:23.420 -> 11:23.880] there were definitely moments where they were battling because I was I would be like
[11:30.120 -> 11:30.800] Me watching like, you know, who's battling for like p11 and p10 like while everyone's watching the top. I'm like
[11:35.920 -> 11:37.360] My v1 my f1 viewership with Lewis and Daniels. I'm watching all over the grid
[11:41.280 -> 11:42.360] yeah, that definitely just was not that exact moment and
[11:45.360 -> 11:50.080] Definitely DTS of like everyone's fighting for the seat and they going to have decided during this race that like Pierre was their boy already. Like, no, that's not how it
[11:50.080 -> 11:55.200] was. Which I'm, but I'm totally game for that fabrication. I just, I thought it was actually
[11:55.200 -> 12:11.720] too long. So it, like, if it was like a quick three minute part of the episode, it felt like 10 minutes. So I came into this overall recording today with the desire to be very positive and not
[12:11.720 -> 12:18.680] just complain about things that were left out.
[12:18.680 -> 12:25.960] And episode seven was all like the storyline stressful point of episode 7 centered around will
[12:25.960 -> 12:35.360] Red Bull re-sign Sergio Perez going into the Monaco race and we know that and
[12:35.360 -> 12:41.960] then and they made it seem like because he won Monaco that he got re-signed but
[12:41.960 -> 12:45.160] we know because there was a quote that
[12:45.740 -> 12:50.360] Checo said he had signed too early because he signed before the Monaco race.
[12:51.000 -> 12:55.480] And this didn't touch on the fact that we now are pretty confident that he
[12:55.620 -> 12:57.640] crashed on purpose in qualifying.
[12:58.740 -> 13:02.800] And almost the entire episode was on track, which is like what I think
[13:02.920 -> 13:04.980] Drive to Survive does the worst.
[13:05.160 -> 13:09.040] So I did not enjoy the episode at all.
[13:10.640 -> 13:15.480] It was a very like, yay, Checo episode, but there was just like a lot of
[13:15.480 -> 13:23.920] context to this Monaco race that like was then just not addressed or like,
[13:24.240 -> 13:25.280] and I get and again
[13:25.280 -> 13:27.280] it's supposed to be like the happy like
[13:27.480 -> 13:32.400] Checo was supposed to have a seat and now he's with Red Bull and then he won Monaco and like oh
[13:32.520 -> 13:34.920] Don't worry like we're gonna keep him. It's like
[13:35.600 -> 13:36.920] No
[13:36.920 -> 13:41.920] This race caused a lot of tension between your two drivers and then like there was a lot of bad PR
[13:42.320 -> 13:43.340] Yeah, I don't know
[13:43.340 -> 13:45.280] I just I think you could do the
[13:45.280 -> 13:51.680] storyline with a different race and it comes across better for all people watching, but I
[13:51.680 -> 13:59.200] will like re-establish that this show is not made for you and me. Like at its core, this show is made
[13:59.200 -> 14:05.480] to bring casual, more casual fans into it. So I don't't I don't blame them I don't think
[14:05.480 -> 14:10.780] it's bad it was just like not my personal favorite episode no and they
[14:10.780 -> 14:15.960] they knew they DTS needs a Monaco episode there will always be Monaco like
[14:15.960 -> 14:22.200] so this was the story for Monaco because unfortunately they weren't gonna do
[14:22.200 -> 14:26.040] another like Charles didn't win Monaco because it
[14:26.040 -> 14:30.760] wasn't as dramatic that he like didn't finish and like his engine exploded he
[14:30.760 -> 14:40.360] just like didn't win so the Monaco story was Checo. One light. Yeah I was it was
[14:40.360 -> 14:45.760] fine like I there was nothing exciting about it. I'll give it, yeah, one. There's
[14:45.760 -> 14:53.040] nothing, it was fine. Yeah. All right. Next. Next we have Alpha Male. Oh, you know what?
[14:53.040 -> 14:57.200] There is something I want to complain about in addition about this episode. And if this gets cut
[14:57.200 -> 15:02.000] out, that's fine. I want to complain about that they have had multiple opportunities to highlight
[15:02.000 -> 15:07.440] the beautiful strategies that Ferrari, that, um, not Ferrari, that Red Bull did this season.
[15:07.680 -> 15:10.860] And I was complaining at the beginning of all of this, like, Hey, there's
[15:10.860 -> 15:13.960] tons of women you could highlight, like the masterpieces that Hannah Schmidt
[15:13.960 -> 15:15.800] put together, including this one.
[15:16.040 -> 15:19.100] You could totally highlight her in this episode and make it about
[15:19.100 -> 15:21.420] how Red Bull did something great.
[15:21.480 -> 15:24.560] And I just think it's lame that they haven't taken advantage of that once.
[15:25.040 -> 15:26.480] Hello. Hi. did something great. And I just think it's lame that they haven't taken advantage of that once.
[15:27.320 -> 15:28.160] Hello. Hi.
[15:30.140 -> 15:33.320] That was not a good episode to watch
[15:33.320 -> 15:36.560] when I'm already super sleepy
[15:36.560 -> 15:40.660] and we're on episode eight of the binge watch.
[15:41.880 -> 15:50.860] I think it showed maturity in Yuki. It has me more interested now in the like
[15:50.860 -> 15:56.580] teammate battle between him and Nick this upcoming year. I like to see CODA
[15:56.580 -> 16:05.000] footage because we were there so that got me excited and Horsey McHorse. Horsey McHorse. Because that's iconic.
[16:05.000 -> 16:06.000] Yeah.
[16:06.000 -> 16:09.840] I feel like a broken record.
[16:09.840 -> 16:11.660] Too much on track.
[16:11.660 -> 16:14.920] Not enough behind the scenes.
[16:14.920 -> 16:19.840] The whole beginning episode, the whole first like half of the episode is like just Pierre
[16:19.840 -> 16:23.200] and Yuki in a car.
[16:23.200 -> 16:28.280] But like it's not the behind the scenes that I necessarily want, but.
[16:28.280 -> 16:30.840] It also just feels like behind the scenes,
[16:30.840 -> 16:31.880] we get all the time.
[16:31.880 -> 16:34.440] Like all last year, we got so much content
[16:34.440 -> 16:35.900] about them loving each other.
[16:37.200 -> 16:38.220] I don't know.
[16:38.220 -> 16:40.120] Yeah, again, it was an,
[16:42.440 -> 16:47.360] yeah, it was a, I don't know who this episode was necessarily for, but it was cool to see
[16:47.360 -> 16:48.680] Nick in the chair.
[16:48.680 -> 16:53.720] And again, I'm excited for like the upcoming season to see what Nick and Yuki, and if one
[16:53.720 -> 16:58.740] of them does like out, you know, compete, like actually can they compete with each other
[16:58.740 -> 17:01.520] or if they're just competitive overall.
[17:01.520 -> 17:11.520] But yeah, definitely like a little bit of a lackluster-y episode. I know we have two more episodes left and it's Cost Cap and then wrapping up the season.
[17:11.520 -> 17:15.520] And we're going to get back to like some, I mean, the Cost Cap one's going to be huge.
[17:15.520 -> 17:30.720] But so far this season was a lot of just on track recaps. Which is lame because there was so much stuff like off track that went
[17:30.720 -> 17:37.440] down but there's obviously a lot that they just are not acknowledging. So we haven't had a single
[17:37.440 -> 17:46.020] like hometown visit. Like we went to Japan with Y, like why didn't we like go do something random, like grocery shop with him?
[17:47.760 -> 17:50.120] So we got them like in-
[17:50.120 -> 17:50.960] A car.
[17:50.960 -> 17:51.800] A car.
[17:53.760 -> 17:56.840] I love all the normal mundane stuff.
[17:56.840 -> 18:00.260] Like we had the Ferrari episode and Carlos won his race,
[18:00.260 -> 18:02.700] but like we didn't get to see him go grocery shopping
[18:02.700 -> 18:04.480] and be upset about taco seasoning.
[18:04.480 -> 18:05.800] Like those are
[18:06.520 -> 18:09.880] the moments I like and and I watch I
[18:10.240 -> 18:15.520] Personally watch drive to survive for those moments not for them to like poorly recap a race to me
[18:16.280 -> 18:21.600] Mm-hmm. And if this is supposed to be reality TV, like even if you didn't watch the races
[18:21.600 -> 18:26.160] like you're probably not showing up to get a race recap to you. You're like, you're showing up for personalities
[18:26.160 -> 18:28.920] and weird random, I don't know.
[18:30.620 -> 18:34.480] And it didn't, I don't feel like necessarily have like a
[18:35.440 -> 18:36.600] tie up with the boat ending.
[18:36.600 -> 18:39.280] I guess you're supposed to then now just be invested in
[18:39.280 -> 18:40.120] next season.
[18:40.120 -> 18:43.400] How Yuki will be next season.
[18:43.400 -> 18:44.240] I don't know.
[18:44.240 -> 18:48.280] For me, it's like a one light,
[18:48.280 -> 18:52.440] except Horsey McHorse is worth a point, so two lights.
[18:52.440 -> 18:54.940] All right, I give it one light.
[18:56.940 -> 18:58.000] I'm tired.
[18:59.800 -> 19:02.320] I'm physically tired,
[19:02.320 -> 19:09.240] and I'm also tired of Christian Horner not understanding what
[19:09.240 -> 19:16.680] a budget is but I didn't expect him to so like this episode was exactly what I
[19:16.680 -> 19:20.920] expected the cost cap episode to be.
[19:20.920 -> 19:31.040] Yeah I appreciated seeing them set up the PR twist. Like, it was cool to see the PR team before
[19:31.040 -> 19:34.960] he went in the press conference, like, stand there and discuss how they're gonna spin this,
[19:35.600 -> 19:49.100] and then to go into Christian spending the rest of this episode spinning it. So I, that was great behind the scenes. I thought it was a great, it was actually a great episode,
[19:49.960 -> 19:54.800] but if you listened to our 2023 season preview,
[19:54.800 -> 19:57.160] where we set goals for all the teams
[19:57.160 -> 19:59.060] that we wanted them to fulfill,
[19:59.060 -> 20:00.520] my goal for Red Bull was like,
[20:00.520 -> 20:02.600] can you go a season without cheating?
[20:03.880 -> 20:09.680] Like, and like, and Christian is really
[20:09.680 -> 20:17.440] good at trying to spin this, and I get it, and, but a half a million dollars is a lot of money.
[20:19.920 -> 20:32.520] And they cheated, and they cheated in the year where they stole Lewis's championship. And they just, I'm sorry, like no, no positive DTS PR is going to
[20:32.520 -> 20:36.960] convince me that like breaking the rules is not breaking the rules. Like, it's the
[20:36.960 -> 20:38.400] middle of the night. I'm tired.
[20:39.480 -> 20:44.560] Yeah. And as someone who's not necessarily a big Zach Brown fan at the
[20:44.560 -> 20:45.000] moment,
[20:45.040 -> 20:49.760] like being reminded of his, like the letter she wrote,
[20:49.840 -> 20:52.480] I was like, you know what? Like, yeah,
[20:52.540 -> 20:56.400] you did not follow rules and that's cheating. Like that's what it is.
[20:56.720 -> 21:00.320] I also, um, am re in
[21:01.280 -> 21:06.440] vigorated or like my anger is reinvigorated at the frustration of like that this process
[21:06.440 -> 21:10.440] takes like almost a year to like verify.
[21:10.440 -> 21:14.200] And as you know, Stefan has recently been talking about if like this is going to be
[21:14.200 -> 21:16.920] a rule, like it needs to happen sooner rather than later.
[21:16.920 -> 21:24.800] And like, Hey, maybe like Max had already been the driver champion like for 2022 and
[21:24.800 -> 21:28.760] then we were finding out about cost cap after like of 2021,
[21:29.360 -> 21:34.120] yeah. Like it just, it makes no sense. I don't understand how it takes that long.
[21:34.140 -> 21:38.520] It's just seems so incredibly inefficient. And like it,
[21:38.540 -> 21:43.160] then it's, it, it makes the rules seem
[21:44.240 -> 21:48.960] kind of like pointless because it just takes so long. It just is
[21:48.960 -> 21:54.000] such an unbelievably inefficient process. And then when Christian says, you know, it's
[21:54.000 -> 22:00.320] an incredible at the FIA just left like no room for like interpretation. And I'm like,
[22:00.320 -> 22:08.520] that's so wild because that's like, I feel like what the FIA consistently does is how like they choose to interpret something, but like a budget's
[22:08.520 -> 22:11.100] like you did or you didn't break it.
[22:11.760 -> 22:15.760] Like, it's not like interpretation of, Oh, $400,000 is not a lot.
[22:15.760 -> 22:16.360] One it is.
[22:16.360 -> 22:19.040] And two, it's like, you went over, you didn't go over.
[22:19.040 -> 22:21.160] It's not like interpretation.
[22:21.680 -> 22:24.800] And I could sit here and talk about the financial regulations
[22:24.800 -> 22:28.920] till I'm blue in the face. Because I because I don't really care to do that again. This
[22:28.920 -> 22:39.320] episode re-made me angry. Put me back in that place where I was angry. Again. Give
[22:39.320 -> 22:49.920] Lewis his championship. This is just stupid now. And I, I, I just fundamentally like my whole
[22:49.920 -> 22:54.200] thing with the cost cap is, is it gonna matter or not? Because it can't sometimes
[22:54.200 -> 22:58.920] matter and sometimes not matter. And what I thought they did a decent job in this
[22:58.920 -> 23:06.800] episode of setting the stakes of, if Red Bull breaks the cost cap and is not punished severely, then there is
[23:06.800 -> 23:11.840] no incentive for the other teams to not start breaking it.
[23:11.840 -> 23:16.480] So there is no point in having a cost cap that you are not going to enforce.
[23:16.480 -> 23:24.560] And Red Bull got a fine, which they can pay, because they had to go way more than that
[23:24.560 -> 23:26.800] in their spending down to get to the
[23:26.800 -> 23:33.840] budget cap, and they got some wind tunnel testing time that we're all pretty sure that at the
[23:33.840 -> 23:41.600] earliest might affect their 2024 car. So the communication that we have now as F1 fans is
[23:41.600 -> 23:46.400] that the cost cap, you can break the cost cap, and then they'll punish you in three
[23:46.400 -> 23:53.840] years. So basically, we don't have a cost cap. Like, why would you stick to it if you just want
[23:53.840 -> 23:59.040] to win? It's just, I'm re-frustrated. It was a great episode, though. I loved all the behind
[23:59.040 -> 24:04.320] the scenes and I loved seeing them like all finagle and get angry. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't
[24:06.480 -> 24:08.480] my favorite interviews and hearing certain things that get me very angry,
[24:08.480 -> 24:11.000] but like kind of seeing Christian being pulled
[24:11.000 -> 24:12.840] in like a bunch of different meeting directions
[24:12.840 -> 24:14.800] and meeting with PR and meeting with Muhammad
[24:14.800 -> 24:16.280] and like just all these types of things
[24:16.280 -> 24:17.800] that knew was happening.
[24:17.800 -> 24:19.720] And also add again, adds a layer of,
[24:19.720 -> 24:21.240] I don't know how many times I'll just like,
[24:21.240 -> 24:23.420] oh, accidentally drop that we went to Kota,
[24:23.420 -> 24:26.760] but like that this was happening when we're there.
[24:26.760 -> 24:28.540] Like, it was just really wild.
[24:28.540 -> 24:30.520] It was a wild weekend for so many things
[24:30.520 -> 24:33.560] to just like overlap and take place at the exact same time.
[24:35.200 -> 24:37.920] So it was definitely really cool to see that
[24:37.920 -> 24:40.280] because it was just such so much speculation in my head
[24:40.280 -> 24:42.620] of like, when did all this happen?
[24:42.620 -> 24:44.200] Who broke the news to this?
[24:44.200 -> 24:45.840] And how does Red Bull talk about
[24:45.840 -> 24:50.480] this? So that was definitely interesting to see. Yeah. And if I remember correctly,
[24:53.120 -> 25:00.880] I think this confirmed it. I get tired. They had decided the punishment around the time of Coda,
[25:00.880 -> 25:06.440] and we're going to announce it there, but then held it because Dietrich's died.
[25:06.440 -> 25:09.540] And then like we found out the next week, like after CODA,
[25:09.540 -> 25:11.000] but at this point, like we knew,
[25:11.000 -> 25:12.660] but it was a matter of like,
[25:12.660 -> 25:15.960] what is the punishment going to be?
[25:15.960 -> 25:17.980] Like the PR around this, like,
[25:19.000 -> 25:22.080] oh, I'm gonna say words I don't like.
[25:23.080 -> 25:27.200] They, more than one thing can be true and Red Bull is right that the PR of
[25:27.200 -> 25:33.680] this whole thing was not handled well by the FIA. Like it was leaked and then it did become a whole
[25:33.680 -> 25:40.480] like he said she said finagle in the press of what the punishment was. Then we actually found out what
[25:40.480 -> 25:47.760] the uh breach was and then weeks later found out what the punishment was. So it was
[25:47.760 -> 25:52.640] handled really poorly in the press, and so much of the spin that Red Bull got to do, like, it's
[25:52.640 -> 25:56.960] funny that Christian was complaining about it, because they got to do all this spin because it
[25:56.960 -> 26:06.800] was handled poorly by the FIA and the press. But again, it's just a group of high schoolers.
[26:06.800 -> 26:08.300] It's a giant circus.
[26:08.300 -> 26:09.300] Everyone's gossiping.
[26:09.300 -> 26:13.520] No secrets are secrets because someone will find out something and then it's a 10,000
[26:13.520 -> 26:16.440] square foot paddock and word gets around.
[26:16.440 -> 26:21.560] There's just always someone talking about something and there's no secrets.
[26:21.560 -> 26:22.560] Christian's wrong though.
[26:22.560 -> 26:24.840] He said, all they'll remember is that we won the championships.
[26:24.840 -> 26:30.080] Like 2021 at the very least is going to have 17 asterisks on it. People don't forget, people
[26:30.080 -> 26:36.480] still talk about Spygate, Crashgate, like, like this is ingrained in F1. That champion,
[26:36.480 -> 26:41.360] at least the 2021 championship will always have multiple asterisks next to it and you
[26:41.360 -> 26:52.240] won't be able to bring it up without someone talking about Abu Dhabi, about the Coscap scandal. So they can keep saying that but it's not going away. Four lights though.
[26:52.240 -> 26:59.200] It was a great behind the scenes. I agree. Four lights. But I'm frustrated. But we got one more
[26:59.200 -> 27:07.960] and then that's it. Yeah. I hope that everyone watching this is having more
[27:07.960 -> 27:13.160] fun than we are we're tired this is a lot of screen fatigue at this point and
[27:13.160 -> 27:19.760] reliving a lot of emotional emotional moments do you know what this means
[27:19.760 -> 27:25.520] Nicole it means we're done it means that that it means we can go to sleep soon.
[27:26.400 -> 27:36.320] Well, yes, this means that the 2023 season is officially here. Yeah. Testing day three
[27:36.320 -> 27:49.600] has started. Lights out in eight days and seven hours. That's crazy. No know. I'm already getting notifications that cars are on track for testing day three.
[27:49.600 -> 27:53.100] We made it through Drive to Survive season five.
[27:53.100 -> 28:00.280] Before we talk big picture, I'm sure people just saw a montage of you reacting to the
[28:00.280 -> 28:02.080] like Thank You Daniel montage.
[28:02.080 -> 28:04.080] Oh no, we were recording.
[28:04.080 -> 28:07.280] Yeah, do you want to start there? Like, are you okay?
[28:07.280 -> 28:21.600] Yeah, I started to tear up. But then there was like three nuts at nut sack. Then Nico
[28:21.600 -> 28:27.640] Hulkenberg that the whole thing he does does I wish there was a Pierre Gasly of that
[28:28.120 -> 28:30.120] it was a beautiful like
[28:31.360 -> 28:36.260] Montage of beautiful moments and I'm just shocked that we didn't get a
[28:38.280 -> 28:41.580] Reserve driver Red Bull like full circle thing
[28:42.800 -> 28:46.880] He'll be also get cuz like reserve drivers, like whatever, but like,
[28:46.880 -> 28:52.640] I just some shock DTS didn't like lean into like the full circle piece. I also felt like the...
[28:53.440 -> 28:58.240] Go ahead. When they showed, when they faded to start the montage and they started with him in
[28:58.240 -> 29:02.320] the Red Bull gear, I thought they were going to end with him back in the Red Bull gear. So I was
[29:02.320 -> 29:06.380] just as surprised as you Yeah, yeah
[29:06.500 -> 29:10.100] Didn't really I don't know the last episode kind of just felt like
[29:10.620 -> 29:16.400] Very short and like I guess we'll just end this with Abu Dhabi and we'll just show you
[29:17.540 -> 29:23.020] Who got forth in the constructor was just like I guess the all the only thing that they had to like wrap up besides
[29:23.780 -> 29:29.000] Like Daniel's retirement, which I still don't necessarily feel like they did. This is
[29:29.000 -> 29:33.720] also not acknowledging everything they left out of the last race but it just
[29:33.720 -> 29:39.480] felt like such a very short episode compared to everything else that there
[29:39.480 -> 29:43.640] wasn't like really a story it was just like here's the race and that's that's
[29:43.640 -> 29:49.680] it. Yeah they definitely tried to lean into the Will Mercedes get P2 thing. And I think,
[29:50.800 -> 29:53.680] again, it was just one of those, like, we knew they didn't-
[29:53.680 -> 29:55.440] We knew what was gonna happen.
[29:55.440 -> 30:02.880] Yeah. I did, like, I, look, if you got to this point, in listening to us react to all these
[30:02.880 -> 30:09.280] episodes, you've heard that, like, we haven't loved the last couple of episodes so much, but this one for
[30:09.280 -> 30:13.760] some reason, like it was probably the way they edited it, like really got me juiced
[30:13.760 -> 30:16.600] up for the 2023 season.
[30:16.600 -> 30:19.040] I was like, oh my gosh, cars are going to be on track again.
[30:19.040 -> 30:22.960] Like, and I think it's because they didn't like, they weren't trying to like force a
[30:22.960 -> 30:24.800] storyline into the race.
[30:24.800 -> 30:25.040] I just felt like I was like watching a storyline into the race. I just
[30:25.040 -> 30:30.560] felt like I was like watching the highlights of the race and that just got me really pumped.
[30:30.560 -> 30:36.080] I just like, and also simultaneously I was like on my phone getting notifications about like what's
[30:36.080 -> 30:41.360] going on on day three of testing. So it was just like a lot at once and I was just feeling like,
[30:41.360 -> 30:45.560] so I agree with everything you're saying, but I was just like, ah, racing soon.
[30:45.820 -> 30:48.260] Yeah. I guess it was like this particular, like you were saying,
[30:48.260 -> 30:49.480] it felt like race highlights.
[30:49.620 -> 30:53.580] Like this didn't feel like there were like fabricated stakes or like
[30:53.580 -> 30:56.380] fabricated battles on the track.
[30:56.520 -> 31:01.980] Like it very much was a Alpine McLaren, like fighting for P4 and like,
[31:02.020 -> 31:05.600] Oh my God, like Ken Mercedes, like, will it happen with Mercedes and Ferrari?
[31:05.600 -> 31:10.560] And like, of course we knew what was happening, but it was such a pure, straightforward storyline
[31:10.560 -> 31:16.640] of what was on track. And that's what they gave us. Right. Which I don't think every episode
[31:16.640 -> 31:23.040] should be because I like the reality TV drama of it as a supplement to our F1 experience.
[31:24.000 -> 31:27.280] But for a, like, we went into it and we knew
[31:27.280 -> 31:30.920] it was going to only be about a 30 minute episode. I was like, Oh, this is going to
[31:30.920 -> 31:36.440] be like a get you hyped for the season episode. And I feel like we got that. I was like, I
[31:36.440 -> 31:39.200] feel sufficiently hyped for 2023 now.
[31:39.200 -> 31:43.600] Yeah, yeah, it was a great end of like next season. It's like, here's Vegas. And then
[31:43.600 -> 31:50.240] it was like, here's all the new faces. which is very exciting. So yes, very excited for Bahrain,
[31:50.240 -> 31:54.640] very excited for Cars on Track. I'm just also excited for the actual season so that we get
[31:55.440 -> 32:02.400] 10,000 more storylines than we did in Drive to Survive. And then one year we do this for the
[32:02.400 -> 32:05.000] 2023 season. So, but excited for the
[32:05.000 -> 32:07.400] actual season, getting lots of details, getting lots of
[32:07.400 -> 32:09.400] stories, knowing everything that's going up and down the
[32:09.400 -> 32:12.400] grid. I'm very hyped and ready for it to begin.
[32:12.400 -> 32:17.700] It's our first season as a podcast too. So I'm, I'm excited
[32:17.700 -> 32:21.600] to do this, not just as a fan, but like getting to talk to you
[32:21.600 -> 32:24.600] about this every week outside of just us screaming in voice
[32:24.600 -> 32:25.520] notes to each other.
[32:26.720 -> 32:28.680] This is professional voice notes.
[32:28.720 -> 32:36.680] Right. Okay, so to put a bow on our DTS reaction pod, how would
[32:36.680 -> 32:39.400] you rate the final episode in our rating scale?
[32:47.000 -> 32:50.600] I'll give it five lights. Wasn wasn't like a lights out that like it blew my mind, but I think that's also just, you
[32:50.600 -> 32:56.760] know, the season was the outcome, quote unquote, of the season, aka Red Bull happened so early
[32:56.760 -> 32:59.980] that like, what was DTS going to do with the last race?
[32:59.980 -> 33:00.980] So I think, but it was great.
[33:00.980 -> 33:02.200] It was great race highlights.
[33:02.200 -> 33:03.800] It was very pure for what it was.
[33:03.800 -> 33:10.000] I did it was great. It was great race highlights. It was very pure for what it was. I was prepared for like be sobbing at the Daniel montage and I went from tearing to
[33:10.000 -> 33:15.080] laughing and I think that's very appropriate.
[33:15.080 -> 33:20.280] So I'll give it five lights, but now my feeling for the 2023 season is lights out and away
[33:20.280 -> 33:21.280] we go.
[33:21.280 -> 33:22.280] Yes.
[33:22.280 -> 33:26.480] I think I gave it a four.
[33:28.840 -> 33:31.280] I give it four, but for similar reasons,
[33:31.280 -> 33:34.040] but I'm just like less enthusiastic about this one.
[33:34.040 -> 33:37.140] Agree that 2023 is lights out and away we go.
[33:37.140 -> 33:38.640] I also think we need to bring up
[33:38.640 -> 33:40.320] before we wrap this episode,
[33:40.320 -> 33:44.120] Toto's continued commitment to put the W13 in their lobby
[33:44.120 -> 33:45.000] to remind everyone
[33:45.000 -> 33:52.960] about overcoming struggles and I just like you know what like Toto is
[33:52.960 -> 34:00.040] Toto and I just adore it. He's the purest he does not pretend to be anything
[34:00.040 -> 34:05.620] that he's not and that is like the most Toto like serious thing ever but when I
[34:05.620 -> 34:09.180] heard it's like yeah the w-13 is gonna be in our lobby so we never forget I was
[34:09.180 -> 34:12.540] like I don't think anyone's going to forget but I'm glad that it's gonna be
[34:12.540 -> 34:16.140] like walks into Mercedes like here is the thing that we are the least proud of
[34:16.140 -> 34:19.620] we're never gonna forget it and we're gonna be better for it and that's why
[34:19.620 -> 34:28.560] the w-14 is black and can fly. It better be able to fly. Entire season as a whole,
[34:28.560 -> 34:37.920] where would you rank it? I'll give it a four. Like I just, I wasn't as, I don't know, I think there
[34:37.920 -> 34:48.120] was just a little bit more of emotional sadness this year when, you know, usually even when Daniel
[34:48.120 -> 34:51.820] Ricardo was having like a tough season, you know, him winning one race
[34:51.860 -> 34:53.560] adds like a really exciting episode.
[34:53.900 -> 34:57.720] So there was just a lot of like downers this year when, you know, I'm not
[34:57.720 -> 35:02.800] necessarily like rooting for red bull to be winning a race and even, I feel like
[35:02.800 -> 35:08.480] we didn't get like enough focus on like the celebrating of Carlos's race win.
[35:08.480 -> 35:11.560] So a lot of the drivers that I was excited
[35:11.560 -> 35:15.000] about winning races either did not win a race
[35:15.000 -> 35:19.840] or DTS did not give it the like pizzazz and attention
[35:19.840 -> 35:21.480] I felt like it deserved.
[35:21.480 -> 35:23.640] So there were pieces I enjoyed,
[35:23.640 -> 35:25.520] not my favorite season of Drive to Survive,
[35:26.320 -> 35:29.760] but that's okay. So I'll give it four lights.
[35:29.760 -> 35:37.280] I think I'm at three lights. I agree with everything you said. I just didn't get enough
[35:37.280 -> 35:44.960] ridiculous behind the scenes fabricated. And they did it too soon. I need more pre-shot
[35:50.200 -> 35:56.460] And they did it too soon. I need more pre-shot Gunther and Matia in a car. I need Otmar with his beet juice. All of that is what Drive to Survive is to me. I want to see these people
[35:56.460 -> 36:01.000] in fabricated situations that are sort of their day-to-day life, but not really their
[36:01.000 -> 36:07.520] day-to-day life. Because it's Netflix. Right. So I think if they did
[36:07.520 -> 36:14.480] like a couple of more of those types of things. Plus it was just too much Red Bull PR. Like we
[36:14.480 -> 36:24.320] know Max only agreed to come back if his team had some say. And I did kind of feel that in the like
[36:28.880 -> 36:34.280] And I did kind of feel that in the like, like this, if this was a full Red Bull season, because it was on track, like, I just felt like it was a kind of a boring way to go about
[36:34.280 -> 36:35.280] it.
[36:35.280 -> 36:44.240] Yeah, I guess I kind of see, I kind of feel like DTS gives Haas and Red Bull kind of like,
[36:44.240 -> 36:46.920] obviously, we know that like Red Bull has been given some kind
[36:46.920 -> 36:52.160] of additional roles and controls this year of getting to view things aside, and Max in
[36:52.160 -> 36:56.000] particular, what he wants in it and what he doesn't when it comes to him.
[36:56.000 -> 36:59.740] But when it comes to the beginning of Drive to Survive, the foundation of it was Red Bull
[36:59.740 -> 37:01.760] let them film, and so did Haas.
[37:01.760 -> 37:05.840] So I think that we'll always get a ton from them, but particularly
[37:05.840 -> 37:10.900] since Red Bull had the year that they did, Drive to Survive was probably amped and ready
[37:10.900 -> 37:16.240] to be like, here it is, our pride and joy, Haas and Red Bull.
[37:16.240 -> 37:18.520] And I was totally...
[37:18.520 -> 37:24.980] I'm totally down to see a ton of those teams, but what makes it so interesting is that it's
[37:24.980 -> 37:26.000] not censored.
[37:26.720 -> 37:34.640] Like, I want to see raw Red Bull and raw Max. And like, there was... Max's team having control over
[37:34.640 -> 37:40.000] that made Max such a boring character. And I can say a lot of things about Max, but I do not think
[37:40.000 -> 37:49.600] he is a boring character. And the Checo episode was boring and like the Coscap episode wasn't
[37:49.600 -> 37:54.880] boring, I'll give them that. But it was so there's I'm not my issue isn't the volume of Red Bull,
[37:54.880 -> 38:03.680] my issue is that a very entertaining, dramatic, exciting team somehow came across mostly kind of
[38:03.680 -> 38:05.960] boring. And I think that's
[38:05.960 -> 38:11.000] why you don't want your documentary subjects to have too much say over how they're viewed,
[38:11.000 -> 38:14.760] because it's not as exciting.
[38:14.760 -> 38:21.040] And we saw the progression of Max's flat brim to regular hat.
[38:21.040 -> 38:22.040] True!
[38:22.040 -> 38:23.040] That we did see.
[38:23.040 -> 38:27.680] That was an important PR shift. It was. I hope he continues it,
[38:28.960 -> 38:38.240] because it's important, but it's not important. Oh, I totally forgot to mention that I think the
[38:38.240 -> 38:47.080] greatest edit... like, Drive to Survive transitions are fantastic. And like the edit of asking Charles how the season went, and it
[38:47.080 -> 38:51.740] cutting to him screaming no, as he crashes into the wall in
[38:51.740 -> 38:56.960] France was unreal. That was a masterpiece.
[38:58.520 -> 39:07.320] Yeah, because they definitely I did expect to see more Ferrari hiccups. not that we didn't get a lot, but I guess
[39:07.320 -> 39:11.520] like particularly I feel like every week we were seeing something with Charles and we
[39:11.520 -> 39:14.920] just did not get as much of that as I expected.
[39:14.920 -> 39:21.000] But yes, that was, they really knocked the montages out of the park on that one.
[39:21.000 -> 39:28.880] And I don't wish Charles sadness and failure, but the screaming of No on the radio
[39:30.480 -> 39:35.680] is still one of the most iconic sounds I have ever heard in Formula One.
[39:35.680 -> 39:39.840] JAIME TARDY They cut right before the heavy breathing.
[39:51.560 -> 39:55.240] But yeah, I do, like my final thought on the season is that DTS really relies on its characters. And that's why like Gunther is so big and Daniel is so big is because they're willing
[39:55.240 -> 40:01.420] to be characters on the show and lean into everything that means.
[40:01.420 -> 40:07.560] And it did feel really great to have like Mercedes but not just Mercedes but
[40:07.560 -> 40:11.640] like Lewis back like it's been a while since we got this much Lewis and he is
[40:11.640 -> 40:16.320] incredibly charismatic outside of the fact that we both just are big fans and
[40:16.320 -> 40:21.280] his presence really was felt in a positive way but then I also thought
[40:21.280 -> 40:25.200] both having both the Ferrari drivers had like...
[40:25.200 -> 40:26.640] I wish we spent more time with them.
[40:26.640 -> 40:31.240] I didn't feel like we spent a lot of time with them, and they're really good characters
[40:31.240 -> 40:32.240] in the show.
[40:32.240 -> 40:33.240] I don't know.
[40:33.240 -> 40:41.040] Yeah, I felt like we were going to get more at the Ferrari principal episode.
[40:41.040 -> 40:45.440] There's so many things that I guess maybe that they plan that they'll like start
[40:51.400 -> 40:52.800] season six of drive to survive with but like did they even I can't even did they only get like the
[40:59.480 -> 41:00.120] Speculation tweet about Matia like we ended and they didn't know. Oh, well, they said to Fred you look good in red
[41:01.240 -> 41:03.240] like Got it, right? Yeah
[41:07.360 -> 41:09.680] Yeah, I, yeah. Yeah, which was vague. Um, yeah. I just, I think...
[41:15.040 -> 41:20.000] My issue is, Ferrari has two of the most charismatic drivers, and I just don't think DTS used them as much as well as they did in past seasons. So like, going back to like,
[41:20.000 -> 41:25.540] why is this a three? Well, we didn't spend time like with Charles, like being a person.
[41:25.560 -> 41:29.480] We saw a lot of him in the car and a lot of Ferrari messing up, but not
[41:29.480 -> 41:31.560] a lot of like his actual interviews.
[41:31.860 -> 41:36.320] And then same with Carlos, like Carlos normally has great DTS episodes with
[41:36.320 -> 41:38.440] him as a person and adding context.
[41:38.440 -> 41:42.080] And instead, again, we got a lot of him in the car and not a lot
[41:42.080 -> 41:46.440] of outside him being a person.
[41:46.440 -> 41:51.400] And even with that, there was a lot of drivers that we just didn't hear from, which we expect,
[41:51.400 -> 41:54.320] you know, we're not going to get content from everyone.
[41:54.320 -> 41:57.640] But when we're like feeling like we didn't get enough content from the drivers that we
[41:57.640 -> 42:05.520] did see, it's very interesting after watching like, Eight hours of television. Yeah.
[42:08.560 -> 42:12.880] Yeah, that's and I think it's because they spent so much time with Red Bull. And they were not super entertained. So we got an
[42:12.880 -> 42:16.680] entire episode of Checo where I felt like, we didn't like, like
[42:16.680 -> 42:22.400] he wasn't a character, right? Like he was just there. And then
[42:22.400 -> 42:26.000] we spent a lot of time with Max and he wasn't a character. He was just there.
[42:26.000 -> 42:32.000] And I mean, there was good team principle stuff.
[42:32.000 -> 42:37.000] I was gonna say Christian was there and he was a character. And Toto was there and he was a character.
[42:37.000 -> 42:46.880] And Otmar and Zach played their characters. Gunther. Yeah. I mean, the most interesting part of this whole thing, which doesn't surprise me,
[42:46.880 -> 42:54.560] was the Silly Season Oscar. All of it. But if you asked me this in August, I would have
[42:54.560 -> 42:57.400] said, yeah, that's going to be the most, if they cover it on DTS, that will be the most
[42:57.400 -> 42:59.680] interesting part. And I think it was.
[42:59.680 -> 43:08.760] And those two episodes were the highlight. They both got a lights out from one of us. I also, in
[43:08.760 -> 43:15.840] hindsight going back, I thought the Porpoising Mercedes episode was really, really good.
[43:15.840 -> 43:28.320] Because they showed genuine struggles from the team. I think that was good. There was a lot of good. I think the Mick episode, while I didn't
[43:28.320 -> 43:35.640] love the characterization, was a decent episode. At least there was some struggle and some
[43:35.640 -> 43:36.640] –
[43:36.640 -> 43:42.120] They also – yeah, and I don't like that they didn't say that he went to Mercedes.
[43:42.120 -> 43:50.140] I understand that they then – again, coming from someone who's not fully familiar with what's going on in the sport, that whole end would
[43:50.140 -> 43:59.980] be so unbelievably confusing. Because then Nico comes back and the whole suck my whatever,
[43:59.980 -> 44:05.320] which we get because it's an iconic moment and a great reference and callback even though
[44:05.320 -> 44:06.940] they showed it this season.
[44:06.940 -> 44:10.080] Like there was a lot of things that if you did not know what was going on in Formula
[44:10.080 -> 44:13.760] One you'd be like, I don't know who these people are, who are these new faces, who's
[44:13.760 -> 44:17.080] this one guy in blue and they're saying welcome back, why are they asking this one guy if
[44:17.080 -> 44:22.200] he looks good in red and everyone's like chuckling and like where's Daniel, what happened to
[44:22.200 -> 44:30.520] Mick? Like, yeah, it was definitely this was the first season where I felt
[44:30.520 -> 44:35.560] like you actually needed to know other things. Whereas I felt
[44:35.560 -> 44:38.720] seasons one through four did such a good job of you just need
[44:38.720 -> 44:43.840] to know what we're showing you and everything. Which is why it
[44:43.840 -> 44:47.200] is the entry drug into the sport. I think so it
[44:47.200 -> 44:54.040] was just it was a weird season I really felt like it was weird. It was weird.
[44:54.040 -> 45:01.240] Yeah definitely weird. I'm hoping because even though we're sitting here like a
[45:01.240 -> 45:05.120] little disappointed with this season. Like, I love everything
[45:05.120 -> 45:10.040] that Drive to Survive has done for this sport, and I'm excited. I will be excited to watch
[45:10.040 -> 45:23.600] next season. I want more. But I do hope that they reflect on this season and give us more
[45:23.600 -> 45:27.740] next season that's like supplemental to the
[45:27.740 -> 45:32.360] on-track stuff and like all depends on what storylines this season have in
[45:32.360 -> 45:36.560] store you know the one driver they did a good job setting up they did a really
[45:36.560 -> 45:40.640] good job setting up Nick DeVries for next season and Yuki I think I think
[45:40.640 -> 45:46.560] Al Futari they set up Al Futari, like, really great for next season. Right? Yeah.
[45:47.800 -> 45:49.360] They, yeah, I think-
[45:49.360 -> 45:52.600] Better than Alpine. Better than McLaren. Like, I'm more
[45:52.600 -> 45:56.760] intrigued about what's gonna happen with Al Futari.
[45:57.200 -> 46:01.920] Yeah. I thought they did a decent job actually setting up
[46:01.920 -> 46:03.120] Fernando Alonso.
[46:05.320 -> 46:08.120] Yeah, but we didn't get enough like Aston Martin, which we
[46:08.120 -> 46:12.120] knew. It just felt weird that it was a very one-sided of like,
[46:12.280 -> 46:15.400] yeah, Aston Martin talked to me and we got like one quick like
[46:15.440 -> 46:20.040] interview statement from Lawrence Stroll. It just was,
[46:20.060 -> 46:23.320] yeah, I felt like there should have been more of like that
[46:23.360 -> 46:26.160] move over, but maybe next season. I don't
[46:26.160 -> 46:32.800] know. I will circle back to something we said at the... well, I said at the beginning, is that
[46:32.800 -> 46:40.800] if the only involvement of Joe was to applaud George Russell for getting out of his car,
[46:40.800 -> 46:46.120] I was going to be upset. And I am, because that the only Joe Gonyeu we got was they were like, sit in this
[46:46.120 -> 46:49.980] chair and talk about how great George Russell is and like, I
[46:49.980 -> 46:50.980] don't like that.
[46:52.000 -> 46:56.560] You know, it was gross. Again, waste of his like charisma as a
[46:56.560 -> 46:57.000] person.
[46:58.120 -> 47:03.240] Yeah. I think we got we got no Alfa Romeo except we had to watch
[47:03.240 -> 47:05.760] the Joe Gonyeu crash four times, I'm pretty sure.
[47:05.760 -> 47:08.400] We got zero Williams.
[47:08.400 -> 47:11.840] We had like Alex for like a second.
[47:11.840 -> 47:16.400] It was like you could tell that Alex was there for an interview and they used him for one.
[47:16.400 -> 47:17.600] I don't even remember what it was on.
[47:17.600 -> 47:19.120] But I was like, oh Alex.
[47:19.120 -> 47:23.360] And I don't believe Drive to Survive has to cover every team.
[47:23.360 -> 47:26.880] I don't know what they would talk about besides the Nick DeVries thing that they did
[47:26.880 -> 47:30.280] talk about for Williams.
[47:30.280 -> 47:34.440] And then, well, I mean, that being said, it was Alex's first season with the team, and
[47:34.440 -> 47:35.440] that was exciting.
[47:35.440 -> 47:39.440] Like, Alex's comeback was a big deal and was exciting and would have been worthy of an
[47:39.440 -> 47:41.000] episode in my opinion.
[47:41.000 -> 47:42.000] But...
[47:42.000 -> 47:47.760] Except they ended, they don't, they didn't have a good story. Like they ended last.
[47:48.720 -> 47:48.960] But they could've done.
[47:48.960 -> 47:51.040] They never scored more than two points in a race.
[47:52.240 -> 47:57.920] They could've done the early season race where Alex did the like incredibly long stint where
[47:57.920 -> 48:00.800] he didn't pit until like the second to last lap of the race.
[48:02.000 -> 48:03.200] Yeah. I mean, there was a whole lot of.
[48:03.200 -> 48:05.880] They made a big deal out of Yuki getting p10.
[48:06.240 -> 48:10.520] Yeah, but that's because people they know that the demographic
[48:10.560 -> 48:13.600] love Pierre and Yuki.
[48:13.640 -> 48:16.440] Yeah, no, I'm just saying, when you're like, Oh, what would they
[48:16.440 -> 48:18.800] talk about Williams? I'm like, I don't know. But they they like
[48:18.800 -> 48:24.040] made an entire episode about Yuki. So there was a Parker.
[48:27.780 -> 48:31.520] Well, Parker is always so confused whenever we're recording because he's like tired. He's like can we please go look this way.
[48:31.520 -> 48:35.560] Look this way. Look this way. Look this way. Oh his little bandana is so cute.
[48:35.560 -> 48:46.200] Oh I know we're tired. If you're only listening to us just know you can go to our YouTube channel and there's a puppy
[48:46.200 -> 48:54.160] named Parker after Peter Parker but that's season 5 of drive to survive we
[48:54.160 -> 49:00.720] did the thing so this is not our as we had said at the beginning our regularly
[49:00.720 -> 49:07.480] scheduled programming although we will be back with our regularly scheduled programming this Thursday of our
[49:07.480 -> 49:09.480] regular show.
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[49:35.280 -> 49:41.680] to Survive. What was your favorite episode? Give us your Lights Out rating. And yeah,
[49:41.680 -> 49:46.280] we'll see you on Thursday. For a race preview.
[49:47.280 -> 49:48.440] Because it's Nicole.
[49:48.480 -> 49:49.780] It's the 2023 season.
[49:50.420 -> 49:50.720] It's here.
[49:50.720 -> 49:51.680] 2023 season.
[49:52.160 -> 49:52.420] Okay.
[49:52.420 -> 49:52.920] Bed.
[49:53.080 -> 49:54.480] We have to go to bed now.
[49:56.020 -> 49:56.560] Please.
[49:56.760 -> 50:07.000] Please. Thanks for watching guys!