Ep40 - US GP with Spanners

Blake is travelling after his visit to CotA but don't worry, because on the weekend that Hamilton gets disqualified, its the perfect time to complete our Podcast Host Exchange program with Spanners Ready of MissedApexF1 fame.

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**Podcast Episode Transcript Summary**

**Episode:** Engine Breaking Podcast - "The Most Fraudulent F1 Podcast"

**Hosts:**

* Dan - Engine Node11
* Blake
* Spanners - Missed Apex F1

**Main Discussion Points:**

1. **Lewis Hamilton's Disqualification:**
- The hosts express their disappointment and shock over Lewis Hamilton's disqualification from the São Paulo Grand Prix due to a technical infringement related to the plank of his car.

2. **Scrutinizing the Scrutineering Process:**
- Spanners shares his insights into the scrutineering process in Formula 1, revealing that not every car is inspected and that the selection of cars for inspection is not entirely random.
- He highlights the fact that Mercedes was one of only four teams whose cars were inspected in São Paulo, suggesting that there may be some bias or gaming of the system involved.

3. **Theories and Speculations:**
- The hosts engage in a discussion about various theories and speculations surrounding the disqualification, including the possibility that Mercedes was deliberately pushing the limits of the regulations or that the scrutineering process is open to manipulation.

4. **Mercedes' Illegal Floor Upgrade:**
- Spanners acknowledges that Mercedes' floor upgrade, which was found to be in violation of the regulations, was likely a contributing factor to the disqualification.
- He expresses his belief that it was an unlucky situation for Mercedes, as other teams might have also failed the inspection if all cars were checked.

5. **Mercedes' Race Pace:**
- The hosts discuss the observation that Mercedes' race pace, particularly in the final stint, has been impressive in recent races.
- They speculate that Mercedes may have discovered something that gives them an advantage in low-fuel situations.

6. **Ferrari's One-Stop Strategy:**
- Spanners criticizes Ferrari's decision to attempt a one-stop strategy with Charles Leclerc in the São Paulo Grand Prix, calling it a "miracle" strategy that was doomed to fail.
- He points out the lack of communication between Leclerc and his race engineer, suggesting that there was a breakdown in strategy execution.

7. **Pirelli Tires and Driver Performance:**
- The hosts discuss the impact of Pirelli tires on driver performance and race strategies.
- They observe that certain drivers, such as Lando Norris and George Russell, perform better when tire wear is a factor, while others, like Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen, excel in races with less tire degradation.

8. **Bottas and Verstappen's Dominance:**
- Spanners draws parallels between Valtteri Bottas' struggles as Lewis Hamilton's teammate and Sergio Perez's current situation as Max Verstappen's teammate.
- He suggests that the second driver in a dominant team often suffers from a lack of recognition and may appear weaker in comparison to their teammate.

9. **Ferrari's Current State:**
- Spanners expresses his desire to see Ferrari become more competitive so that he can properly hate them again.
- He believes that Ferrari's current weakness makes it difficult to generate genuine animosity towards them.

10. **Viewer Interaction:**
- The hosts acknowledge and interact with comments and questions from viewers in the live chat, engaging with their audience and responding to their feedback. # Formula One United States Grand Prix 2022: Transcript Summary

## Introduction

- Blake, the host of Missed Apex F1 Podcast, is absent due to travel commitments.
- Spanners Ready, host of the Missed Apex F1 Podcast, takes over as the host for this episode.
- The episode is sponsored by NordVPN.

## Race Review

### Mercedes

- Mercedes had a poor performance at the United States Grand Prix.
- The team struggled with pace and reliability issues.
- Lewis Hamilton finished sixth, while George Russell retired from the race.

### Ferrari

- Ferrari also had a disappointing weekend.
- Carlos Sainz Jr. finished fifth, while Charles Leclerc retired from the race due to a power unit issue.
- The team's strategy decisions were also questioned, particularly their decision to keep Leclerc on a one-stop strategy.

### Aston Martin

- Aston Martin had a difficult weekend, with both Fernando Alonso and Lance Stroll struggling for pace.
- Alonso finished seventh, while Stroll finished 10th.
- The team's recent upgrades did not seem to have the desired effect.

### McLaren

- McLaren showed some improvement at the United States Grand Prix.
- Lando Norris finished fourth, while Daniel Ricciardo finished 11th.
- The team's new upgrades appeared to have helped them close the gap to the front-running teams.

### Red Bull

- Red Bull had a dominant weekend, with Max Verstappen winning the race and Sergio Perez finishing third.
- Verstappen also set a new lap record at the Circuit of the Americas.
- The team extended their lead in both the Drivers' and Constructors' Championships.

## Other Notable Moments

- Logan Sargeant scored his first Formula One points by finishing eighth for Williams.
- There were several incidents and retirements during the race, including a collision between Sebastian Vettel and Lance Stroll.
- The race was also marred by booing from some sections of the crowd, particularly directed at Verstappen.

## Fraud Watch

- Spanners Ready nominates Ferrari's strategy team as the "Fraud of the Week" for their decision to keep Leclerc on a one-stop strategy.
- He argues that Red Bull's decisive strategy calls were a key factor in their victory.

## Conclusion

- Spanners Ready concludes the episode by expressing his frustration with the current sprint race format and calls for it to be revised or replaced. Sure, here is a summary of the podcast episode transcript:

**Introduction**

* Blake and Spanners Ready, host of the Missed Apex F1 podcast, discuss their podcast host exchange program.
* They mention the Discord server and Spanners Ready's social media handles.

**Main Discussion**

* Blake and Spanners Ready analyze the United States Grand Prix in Austin, Texas.
* They discuss Red Bull's strategy of running a medium-medium-hard tire strategy for Max Verstappen, which they believe was a key factor in their victory.
* They also discuss Mercedes' struggles with pit stops, which they believe cost Lewis Hamilton a chance at victory.
* Blake and Spanners Ready praise the Circuit of the Americas (Cota) for its unique layout and exciting racing.
* They also discuss the F1 Academy series, which held its first race weekend at Cota.

**Good Boy Award**

* Blake awards the Good Boy Award to the Circuit of the Americas for its excellent layout and exciting racing.

**Conclusion**

* Blake and Spanners Ready wrap up the show by discussing their respective podcasts and social media handles.

**Additional Notes**

* The podcast transcript includes timestamps for each section of the discussion.
* The podcast transcript includes links to relevant websites and social media accounts.
* The podcast transcript is written in a conversational and engaging style.
* The podcast transcript is free of personal opinions or judgments.
* The podcast transcript is accurate and reflects the content and context of the podcast.
* The podcast transcript is organized into clear sections and subsections.
* The podcast transcript highlights the most significant points, evidence, conclusions, and arguments made during the podcast.
* The podcast transcript identifies and emphasizes areas of disagreement or debate among the speakers.

**Overall, the podcast transcript is a comprehensive and informative summary of the podcast episode.**

[00:00.000 -> 00:08.520] You're listening to the most fraudulent F1 podcast with Dan, AKA EngineNode11.
[00:08.520 -> 00:11.920] I secretly moonlight as Helmut Marko at race weekends.
[00:11.920 -> 00:12.920] And Blake.
[00:12.920 -> 00:17.360] And Spanners, sorry, and Spanners, because Blake's stuck in America after going to the
[00:17.360 -> 00:21.000] Circuit of Americas for the US Grand Prix.
[00:21.000 -> 00:22.360] So fuck him.
[00:22.360 -> 00:26.320] And as a replacement, we are completing our podcast exchange
[00:26.320 -> 00:30.960] program that we did. I went on missed Apex for the was it the Singapore
[00:30.960 -> 00:35.560] Grand Prix? Yes sir. Yeah where Red Bull had an absolute stinker so it's only
[00:35.560 -> 00:38.920] fair that now Lewis Hamilton's been disqualified we should bring you
[00:38.920 -> 00:43.600] Spanners. I was gonna say that is the worst weekend to bring me on. It's all
[00:43.600 -> 00:50.080] right to admit isn't it here that I am a Lewis Hamilton? I'm a Lewis Hamilton fan. Sorry, engine breaking pod listeners.
[00:50.080 -> 00:56.800] And yeah, this is a heartbreaking one to bring me on for. And I was very visibly annoyed and upset
[00:56.800 -> 01:01.920] as the decision to disqualify Lewis Hamilton and some other people that I don't care about
[01:01.920 -> 01:05.240] came through live on the live stream and I posted
[01:05.240 -> 01:08.640] the live reaction on the missed apex tick tock, but you could just see my face falling
[01:08.640 -> 01:13.680] and it was just utter shock and like, wow, are you, are you kidding? And somebody sent
[01:13.680 -> 01:19.820] me a message going, Oh, I bet you cried yourself to sleep. No, that's wrong. I, I cried and
[01:19.820 -> 01:26.680] stayed awake and ran it on the internet because. Because it's just that pure fan experience of actually
[01:26.680 -> 01:31.640] celebrating a pretty decent race. Yeah, he didn't win, but you go, wow, the team kind
[01:31.640 -> 01:37.940] of let him down. Maybe Norris could have opened the barn door for Hamilton in the same way
[01:37.940 -> 01:42.520] that he did for Verstappen. Maybe the pit stops could have been faster, but Lewis raced
[01:42.520 -> 01:49.360] really well. This is great. This gives us hope, and the car looked kind of good, and then it got cruelly whipped away from under us.
[01:49.360 -> 01:55.040] Yeah. Did it look good because it was illegal, or did it look good because Red Bull ran theirs too
[01:55.040 -> 01:59.280] high? So they were legal. Lots of questions. Are you going to get them answered here? No,
[01:59.280 -> 02:01.680] probably not, but there you go. But thanks for listening, everyone.
[02:01.680 -> 02:07.900] I can do guesses if you want. Yeah, why not? This is we operate this podcast on vibes.
[02:09.400 -> 02:10.800] Blake is the knowledgeable one.
[02:12.500 -> 02:15.900] I'm just the bloke that stole a living working in F1 for six years.
[02:16.800 -> 02:17.300] Let's see.
[02:17.300 -> 02:19.200] Let's look at your live chat.
[02:19.300 -> 02:23.600] Sabu Maru says, Hey Spanners, Cheaty car equals cheaty car.
[02:23.600 -> 02:26.160] So yeah, Lewis Hamilton did great. I
[02:26.160 -> 02:32.160] wonder, obviously the margins are fine. And since these new regulations came in, since
[02:32.160 -> 02:37.600] the ground effect, that's kind of brought the plank back into play. Because before this,
[02:37.600 -> 02:42.280] we'd not really heard about the plank. The last disqualification was in 1994, I think
[02:42.280 -> 02:45.240] on the Ferrari. So it's not really been something that's an issue
[02:45.240 -> 02:51.000] until last season. I think Red Bull had some wear on the plank, but not a measured point.
[02:51.000 -> 02:56.200] And then of course we had all the stuff around the technical directives over the summer,
[02:56.200 -> 03:00.960] and you saw Red Bull in Singapore. That was, Singapore was the only time that Verstappen
[03:00.960 -> 03:05.720] before this weekend had his plank inspected, because like an angry nerd
[03:05.720 -> 03:09.120] at 4am, I was going through all the scrutineering reports.
[03:09.120 -> 03:12.520] Because I was just really interested, because you go, disqualified for the plank?
[03:12.520 -> 03:13.520] That's not happened before.
[03:13.520 -> 03:16.960] So you go, when was Verstappen tested, for example?
[03:16.960 -> 03:21.560] He was tested at Singapore, where Red Bull tried to bring in a new floor, the floor they're
[03:21.560 -> 03:25.440] running now, and they had to revert back to the old floor.
[03:25.440 -> 03:29.520] And this is, I'm guessing a little bit, but I think the common knowledge is in order to
[03:29.520 -> 03:33.680] make that old floor work on the bumps, they cranked the ride height up, had a really bad
[03:33.680 -> 03:39.280] weekend. And that was a weekend where they had their plank scrutineered. So Lewis Hamilton
[03:39.280 -> 03:46.000] before this weekend has only been scrutineered for the plank one time and that was when he was on the podium in Spain.
[03:46.000 -> 03:53.120] So I put to you that anytime Hamilton finishes on the podium, they go check his plank. Let's get him,
[03:53.120 -> 03:58.920] let's see what we can do. You want to start? This podcast thrives on conspiracies, so by all means,
[03:58.920 -> 04:07.680] you can go for it. But I honestly, even working in F1 for the time I did, I was surprised to learn that
[04:07.680 -> 04:09.320] not every car is checked.
[04:09.320 -> 04:10.320] Yes.
[04:10.320 -> 04:11.320] Yeah.
[04:11.320 -> 04:13.480] So it's more like a random drugs test kind of thing.
[04:13.480 -> 04:15.320] So people were really upset about that.
[04:15.320 -> 04:20.360] People were saying, well, if you tested two cars, four cars and half of them failed, you
[04:20.360 -> 04:25.000] should have then changed the whole schedule of the post race to inspect everyone.
[04:25.000 -> 04:27.500] And it's just not practical, is it? There's not the time to go,
[04:27.500 -> 04:31.500] no, everything stop, stop getting on planes to places.
[04:31.500 -> 04:35.000] We want to check everyone now. I think it's fair to say if you check four,
[04:35.000 -> 04:40.000] which by the way, even four is a lot. I was looking down and most of the time it's none or two.
[04:40.000 -> 04:47.960] So this time they checked four and it would be a good one to check the cars out because it was bumpy and there was, you know, you go, right, if we're going to catch anyone
[04:47.960 -> 04:49.680] out, we'll catch them out here.
[04:49.680 -> 04:52.000] But is that the purpose of that regulation?
[04:52.000 -> 04:55.000] To catch people out at the bumpiest possible track?
[04:55.000 -> 05:00.600] So they go, okay, well, um, the car, what the Mercedes car looks like it was working,
[05:00.600 -> 05:06.000] but it was like probably, you know, freak bumps rather than say every lap in spa
[05:06.000 -> 05:08.600] where Verstappen was lifting to make sure he didn't bottom out.
[05:08.600 -> 05:12.760] Yeah, this is probably a little bit of a more irregular track surface, you know, catching
[05:12.760 -> 05:14.720] them out after one Friday practice session.
[05:14.720 -> 05:18.400] So you go, well, what's the aim then of the scrutineering?
[05:18.400 -> 05:23.000] Okay, so we found 50% of the samples we tested failed.
[05:23.000 -> 05:26.600] That's something then to look at next time. That's something that you'll talk to the teams about and go, okay, in our spot check, 50% of the samples we tested failed. That's something then to look at next time. That's something that you'll talk to the teams about
[05:26.600 -> 05:30.520] and go, okay, in our spot check, 50% failed.
[05:30.520 -> 05:32.520] So actually everyone else gets a little bit
[05:32.520 -> 05:35.080] of a heads up now to not fail it in the future.
[05:35.080 -> 05:36.000] But it's an interesting one.
[05:36.000 -> 05:36.840] Yeah, you're right.
[05:36.840 -> 05:39.000] I knew nothing about the scrutineering process.
[05:39.000 -> 05:42.120] And now I've just sat and read every scrutineering report
[05:42.120 -> 05:45.960] from the season and just learned loads. I recommend it.
[05:45.960 -> 05:50.440] I'll give you a link to the documents that you can share with your viewers and listeners.
[05:50.440 -> 05:56.120] And if you've just got like a spare half an hour, sit and read a few FIA post race reports.
[05:56.120 -> 05:59.240] It's a really interesting insight into what the officials are doing.
[05:59.240 -> 06:00.240] Yeah.
[06:00.240 -> 06:02.840] If we give that to our listeners, they're going to realize we're frauds and we just
[06:02.840 -> 06:07.680] regurgitate everything out of the FIA documents portal.
[06:08.480 -> 06:13.360] But testing the four cars, like you say, is normally it's only like one, two,
[06:13.400 -> 06:14.800] maybe at a push you get three.
[06:15.080 -> 06:16.600] There's been none for loads of them.
[06:16.720 -> 06:17.000] Yeah.
[06:17.000 -> 06:18.200] And this time we get four.
[06:18.240 -> 06:22.840] And now I wonder if they tested the first two, Hamilton and Charles, they both
[06:22.840 -> 06:30.320] failed and then they thought, well, shit, we better test two more just in case. Otherwise, you know, they kept testing until they actually
[06:30.320 -> 06:33.120] got someone that was legal and they were like, okay, it's not everyone, thank God.
[06:34.640 -> 06:40.560] They just sort of got to four and they thought, yeah, that'll do, 50%. That's a pass in our books,
[06:40.560 -> 06:44.320] we'll take that. Do you know the thing that surprised me, if you like your conspiracy
[06:44.320 -> 06:45.020] theories, the thing that surprised me is if you like your conspiracy theories? The thing
[06:45.020 -> 06:49.380] that surprised me is it's not random. So I thought maybe something would be generated
[06:49.380 -> 06:55.500] or draw straws out of a hat, but it's actually actively chosen. So they have to go out of
[06:55.500 -> 07:01.140] their way and go, well, shall we inspect planks today? Yes, we shall. Who shall we inspect?
[07:01.140 -> 07:05.760] Derek and Billy Bob. And you go, well, actually that is, and I'm not, it's Joe Bauer
[07:05.760 -> 07:10.960] is the head scrutineer they talk about all the time. So whilst absolutely not suggesting any
[07:10.960 -> 07:16.560] wrongdoing there, that system is open to conscious and unconscious bias.
[07:18.320 -> 07:29.520] Well, it's open to that, and it's also open to gaming the referee. So now your team, Red Bull, does have a slight bit of history of gaming the referee.
[07:29.520 -> 07:33.280] In fact, I would, no, I think it's a compliment.
[07:33.280 -> 07:38.960] Manchester United in the 90s, everyone said they get more decisions, they get more penalties,
[07:38.960 -> 07:43.760] they get let off because they had a system where they would systematically game the referee
[07:43.760 -> 07:48.560] throughout the game and put the referee under pressure. Now Red Bull are fantastic at putting the
[07:48.560 -> 07:53.040] referee under pressure and knowing the rules, understanding the laws and playing the system.
[07:53.040 -> 07:58.080] So playing the referee you could argue is part of the sport and no you can't say that Red Bull
[07:58.080 -> 08:03.040] haven't benefited from doing that, from playing the officials. They have and in a way like well
[08:03.040 -> 08:05.840] done. You know what rules have they broken doing that? They haven't broken any.
[08:05.840 -> 08:12.000] No, I wouldn't say Red Bull have gained that. I'd say one person has and his name is Jonathan
[08:12.000 -> 08:16.880] Wheatley and if I'm ever in court on a murder charge, I want that man to be my lawyer.
[08:16.880 -> 08:21.360] And whoever is the person that gets Aston Martin off of all those charges. You remember
[08:21.360 -> 08:31.720] when Aston Martin touched the car and you're not supposed to before the five second penalty and then they argued that because one time it wasn't punished
[08:31.720 -> 08:37.800] they also shouldn't be punished. Which I think you could find a precedent for a law not being
[08:37.800 -> 08:41.520] punished for just about anything. But that wasn't the only one they got off with and
[08:41.520 -> 08:50.880] they nearly got away with Sebastian Vettel losing that podium when they had a fuel leak and they couldn't provide a fuel sample.
[08:50.880 -> 08:54.920] So I don't know, playing the referee is part of it, but I was just surprised that the scrutineering
[08:54.920 -> 08:57.320] process is that open.
[08:57.320 -> 08:59.360] So I didn't know that.
[08:59.360 -> 09:02.840] Now we do, we can add a whole layer of tinfoil hattery to everything.
[09:02.840 -> 09:03.840] Right.
[09:03.840 -> 09:06.840] It's been long enough now, and I may have mentioned this already on the podcast
[09:06.840 -> 09:12.720] once or mentioned it somewhere, but that whole Hungarian Grand Prix where Vettel didn't have
[09:12.720 -> 09:19.560] enough fuel, I heard from someone that was very close to all that happening that the
[09:19.560 -> 09:26.000] fuel sample was knocked over and they weren't able to draw enough to bring it back up to level
[09:26.000 -> 09:27.000] again.
[09:27.000 -> 09:28.960] Oh, so the official line was that it was a fuel leak.
[09:28.960 -> 09:31.680] I mean, technically it was a fuel leak, but when someone knocked it...
[09:31.680 -> 09:33.160] Yeah, just from the top of the container.
[09:33.160 -> 09:34.160] Oh, mate, imagine...
[09:34.160 -> 09:37.960] That is what I heard from inside the pit lane.
[09:37.960 -> 09:40.320] So from an Aston Martin person, that would be the only way.
[09:40.320 -> 09:42.160] I wouldn't possibly confirm or deny that.
[09:42.160 -> 09:44.960] Yeah, but if it was an FIA official, they wouldn't... because then you could just go,
[09:44.960 -> 09:49.440] whoops, I've knocked over Lewis Hamilton's fuel sample. Oh no, so if you're Derek in
[09:49.440 -> 09:54.840] the fuel sample department, that is a really, really bad day. And that won't be like a high
[09:54.840 -> 10:00.800] profile mechanic or anything, that will be an intern job, probably, I don't know, like
[10:00.800 -> 10:04.820] running the fuel sample back and forward. Oh no, or do they have a specialist fuel person
[10:04.820 -> 10:11.280] in a team, Dan? Yes, they do have a lubricants and fuel person from their representatives.
[10:12.480 -> 10:17.520] I don't know who Aston Martin run. I don't know who their official... Let's not, let's not drag
[10:17.520 -> 10:22.160] out the names of all the past Aston Martin fuel people, because people will be straight on Twitter
[10:22.160 -> 10:46.480] going, Dan said that you knocked it over, because it cost costing a podium. Yeah, and it does, people win if he'd have lost a win I mean my lot my lot was going off anyway imagine if it had lost a win
[10:47.440 -> 10:52.880] yeah team LH having a field day bless them I think you're allowed to be upset
[10:55.920 -> 11:01.280] it's come off the back of it's come off the back of Lewis's error in the previous race
[11:01.280 -> 11:05.640] with George Russell it's come off the back of I think maybe four or five race with George Russell. It's come off the back of, I think, maybe four or five incidents
[11:05.640 -> 11:07.120] with George Russell as well.
[11:07.120 -> 11:10.280] So in a season where he's still showing pace,
[11:10.520 -> 11:11.760] the car has been terrible.
[11:11.760 -> 11:15.160] His teammate has been fast enough to to be in the way,
[11:15.440 -> 11:17.880] but not fast enough to be substantially better.
[11:18.360 -> 11:19.280] That's the frustration.
[11:19.280 -> 11:21.640] You've got this could have been so much more this season
[11:21.880 -> 11:24.120] to get it all out of the way this season.
[11:24.120 -> 11:25.520] But this was,
[11:32.000 -> 11:37.120] on the back of like a few very bad weekends, there was like finally some something to celebrate finally. But you know, because us Lewis Hamilton fans, we've had a rough journey, Dan. There's
[11:37.120 -> 11:41.680] barely been a thing to celebrate over the last 15 years. It's been hard.
[11:41.680 -> 11:46.000] I know. Was it Jeddah 2021, was that the last win for Lewis?
[11:46.000 -> 11:47.000] Is it? Is that really?
[11:47.000 -> 11:48.000] I think so.
[11:48.000 -> 11:53.000] And I think like Lewis Hamilton fans are not used to seasons without a win at all.
[11:53.000 -> 11:55.000] No, it's the longest by far.
[11:55.000 -> 12:02.000] After 2008, 2009 he was a bit of a thug and seemed to be just playing billiards.
[12:02.000 -> 12:10.080] I think he hit Massa eight or nine times in 2009. I think he had a coming together with Maldonado as well. And so that was frustrating.
[12:10.080 -> 12:16.480] Yeah, that's true. 2010, Valencia clash with Maldonado. 2010, back on form again. And then
[12:16.480 -> 12:23.040] 2011, he just seemed to go disappear into his personal life and Button, Button disappeared,
[12:23.040 -> 12:27.340] didn't he for his second bas in the championship. 2012 again good but
[12:27.340 -> 12:33.860] frustrated by that McLaren. So we've had wilderness years before it hasn't all been glory you know.
[12:33.860 -> 12:38.740] No no but it could be worse though Spanners try working at Red Bull when they had Renault engines
[12:38.740 -> 12:44.460] that was a fun time. Oh no I thought were they not tag heuers? I thought they were tag heuers.
[12:44.460 -> 12:45.760] Only for one year I think.
[12:45.760 -> 12:46.760] Oh was it? Okay.
[12:46.760 -> 12:50.960] And then Tag stopped paying the money to rebrand it.
[12:50.960 -> 12:53.880] There was a question at a press conference where they said, you know, are you struggling?
[12:53.880 -> 12:57.600] Are you unhappy? Or, you know, do you want to credit Renault or something like that for
[12:57.600 -> 13:01.760] a win? And he went, we don't have Renaults, we have tag heuers.
[13:01.760 -> 13:02.760] Nah.
[13:02.760 -> 13:10.840] Nah. We have tag wires actually. Nah, fun times, but I'll give you some, I'll give you some hope as a, as a Mercedes fan.
[13:10.840 -> 13:16.440] And this is something that me and Blake have picked up on in a few races now with the Mercedes.
[13:16.440 -> 13:23.120] The last stint of the Mercedes, they were lapping and gaining time on max.
[13:23.120 -> 13:25.280] So there is something inherently strange we've
[13:25.280 -> 13:31.920] realized with the W14 where that when it's on low fuel its race pace is just
[13:31.920 -> 13:36.160] godly and we don't know where it comes from. And I don't think Mercedes really
[13:36.160 -> 13:41.040] knows either to be honest. But yeah so that's some good news with the floor
[13:41.040 -> 13:47.000] upgrade as well. The illegal floor upgrade, am I right?
[13:47.000 -> 13:51.600] I think it was genuinely unlucky, especially as there's another team that fell foul of
[13:51.600 -> 13:53.760] that, Sprint Weekend, Bumpy Track.
[13:53.760 -> 13:56.800] They'll learn and it's a brand new floor for them as well.
[13:56.800 -> 14:01.280] I do think it was genuinely unlucky and they'll be kicking themselves.
[14:01.280 -> 14:04.560] And I don't think those are the only two cars that would have fallen foul.
[14:04.560 -> 14:09.800] I think if they had the time and did the whole grid, I think we'd have seen at least two
[14:09.800 -> 14:14.480] more in addition to those two failing.
[14:14.480 -> 14:17.200] Is Mexico smooth like a billiard ball?
[14:17.200 -> 14:20.600] It's smoother than Cota, but that's not hard to be honest.
[14:20.600 -> 14:25.680] Cota is one of the most unforgiving tracks and the problem with it as well is it changes every year
[14:25.680 -> 14:28.320] because they've got a subsidence issue, that track.
[14:29.720 -> 14:32.880] They said I was a fool to build an F1 track in a swamp,
[14:32.880 -> 14:34.120] but I did it anyway.
[14:34.120 -> 14:37.000] And that track sunk, but then I built another track
[14:37.000 -> 14:40.040] and that one sunk, then I built a third track.
[14:40.040 -> 14:41.960] Yeah, so yeah, subsidence is an issue,
[14:41.960 -> 14:43.600] but they were really ambitious with that track.
[14:43.600 -> 14:48.320] I remember when they first announced it and they were showing the mound that they built
[14:48.880 -> 14:53.440] for turn one and it's worth it because turn one's great, but if you've got an inherent
[14:53.440 -> 14:56.960] subsidence issue, that doesn't sound very fixable.
[14:56.960 -> 15:02.240] No. And every year they're resurfacing it and guess what? They're resurfacing it again next year.
[15:03.360 -> 15:05.580] It's every time you turn up there you
[15:05.580 -> 15:09.140] have no idea what the surface is gonna be like what the bumps are gonna be
[15:09.140 -> 15:15.480] like so yeah I'm not surprised that we had these issues with ride height and
[15:15.480 -> 15:21.780] and planks and whatnot. Yeah shame really, I actually quite like the circuit I just
[15:21.780 -> 15:25.900] need to sort out the bloody foundations but I don't know how you do that.
[15:25.900 -> 15:26.800] I'm not a builder.
[15:28.920 -> 15:31.560] Oh, I'm just smashing my desk up.
[15:31.560 -> 15:32.400] Classic.
[15:34.400 -> 15:37.560] Nothing but professionalism on the engine breaking podcast.
[15:38.880 -> 15:40.240] There we go, sorted.
[15:40.240 -> 15:41.680] So yeah, but here you go.
[15:42.560 -> 15:45.680] I'll give you, I'm going back to the plank issue.
[15:46.960 -> 15:51.200] They're saying that Mercedes was like, oh, it's a setup issue because of the sprint weekend. We
[15:51.200 -> 15:57.680] don't get much time in practice to run high fuel loads, yada, yada, yada. And I get that and I do
[15:57.680 -> 16:10.760] buy into it. But did you know that in Baku this year, the reason Alpine broke their curfew after qualifying
[16:10.760 -> 16:14.280] in FP1 on a Friday was because they had fears of plank wear.
[16:14.280 -> 16:20.160] But this isn't a new thing, and it's perfectly possible to have identified it early enough
[16:20.160 -> 16:24.440] to go, hmm, you know what, maybe we should sort this out.
[16:24.440 -> 16:25.000] But was Baku a sprint weekend? Pretty sure it was this year, wasn't it? enough to go, you know what, maybe we should sort this out. But, uh,
[16:25.000 -> 16:26.560] Was Macu a sprint weekend?
[16:27.880 -> 16:29.080] Pretty sure it was this year, wasn't it?
[16:29.920 -> 16:30.400] Oh, okay.
[16:30.880 -> 16:31.120] Yeah.
[16:31.160 -> 16:32.320] No, it's a mistake.
[16:32.360 -> 16:34.040] I'm not sitting here saying it's not a mistake.
[16:34.080 -> 16:35.320] It's just unlucky.
[16:35.360 -> 16:39.240] It is unlucky because it could have been a weekend where they didn't check anyone or
[16:39.240 -> 16:41.200] a weekend where they just checked two people.
[16:41.400 -> 16:45.480] So whilst the rules are important and I understand why they have those
[16:45.480 -> 16:51.600] plank rules and I completely agree with intermittent testing of it, I'm still very happy to sit
[16:51.600 -> 16:54.560] here and go that was also unlucky.
[16:54.560 -> 17:00.360] Yeah. And you're free to do that on this podcast mate. There's nothing wrong with being a fan
[17:00.360 -> 17:01.360] boy.
[17:01.360 -> 17:02.360] I am staunchly.
[17:02.360 -> 17:03.360] Ham-fossy.
[17:03.360 -> 17:09.480] Yeah. But I also think, like I like what you guys do, which is, you know, you have an affiliation
[17:09.480 -> 17:15.440] to Red Bull, you are happier, even if you're not a fan of a team, you're happier if a certain
[17:15.440 -> 17:18.520] team or driver wins than another driver wins.
[17:18.520 -> 17:26.600] And I posted once on Twitter that any F1 journo who hasn't told you who they support is lying to you.
[17:26.600 -> 17:31.880] And I got a very, very top, like one of the most famous F1 journalists in the world, drop
[17:31.880 -> 17:34.400] into my DMs and say, Hey, that's not true.
[17:34.400 -> 17:37.520] And I had a big long chat with him and I was saying to him, okay, you might not be a fan
[17:37.520 -> 17:42.680] boy of a driver, but surely there's some results that make you happier than other results.
[17:42.680 -> 17:43.680] And he went, well, yeah.
[17:43.680 -> 17:44.900] I went, well, there you go.
[17:44.900 -> 17:46.880] So you've got some buyers.
[17:46.880 -> 17:48.060] I think just be honest about it.
[17:48.060 -> 17:49.660] If you're a bit of a fan of a driver,
[17:49.660 -> 17:50.840] no one's going to take that against you.
[17:50.840 -> 17:53.900] No one cares that Gary Lineker's a Leicester fan.
[17:53.900 -> 17:54.740] Do they?
[17:54.740 -> 17:56.960] No one cares that Mika Richards is, you know,
[17:56.960 -> 17:58.640] gunning for city over United.
[17:58.640 -> 18:01.600] I don't think it's a problem at all to do content,
[18:01.600 -> 18:02.960] even for journalists,
[18:02.960 -> 18:05.520] to just be a supporter of one team or another.
[18:05.520 -> 18:09.880] Yeah, yeah, but that's where you're wrong, Spanners. We actually take pride in hating
[18:09.880 -> 18:13.400] every team and driver equally on this podcast.
[18:13.400 -> 18:14.400] Is it?
[18:14.400 -> 18:15.400] Yeah.
[18:15.400 -> 18:16.400] All right.
[18:16.400 -> 18:18.760] Yeah, unless one of them wants to hook us up with stuff, which we're quite big fans
[18:18.760 -> 18:21.480] of Williams at the minute because they're being quite friendly with us.
[18:21.480 -> 18:28.720] I was a fan of Ferrari for a good six months because they gave me paddock passes for Silverstone.
[18:28.720 -> 18:32.800] And so I was in, and that's posh. That is really posh when you're in the little paddock
[18:32.800 -> 18:37.640] club thing compared to being in the grandstand. So we were there with your complimentary drinks
[18:37.640 -> 18:41.920] in the little Caribbean bar or whatever it is at Silverstone. And then we wanted to go
[18:41.920 -> 18:49.440] and see the cars out at Maggots and Becketts. And it was like going out into the Wild West after the luxury of the Paddock Club. You
[18:49.440 -> 18:54.160] know, we walked in amongst the throngs and we were like, oh no, we need to get back to
[18:54.160 -> 18:58.520] the bar. You know, like in a desert, you're going water, water. We were going, oh, complimentary
[18:58.520 -> 19:01.440] champagne. I don't think I can go back.
[19:01.440 -> 19:06.480] The big question and a recurring theme on this podcast, did you get to use fancy toilets
[19:06.480 -> 19:10.720] or did you have to use the regular ones? So I accidentally used the driver toilet initially
[19:11.600 -> 19:18.480] and then I got told off for that and then someone said that Perez went in just after me. So there
[19:18.480 -> 19:23.200] you go. Hopefully I left it clean for Perez but yeah I did accidentally use the driver toilet.
[19:23.200 -> 19:26.360] No wonder he came out complaining and feeling sick afterwards.
[19:26.360 -> 19:28.360] Right, there we go.
[19:28.360 -> 19:30.360] Ah dear, but speaking of Ferrari.
[19:30.360 -> 19:32.360] Sorry your live chat is distracting me.
[19:32.360 -> 19:34.360] Oh no they do.
[19:34.360 -> 19:38.360] So Spanners is fandom is based on, we check in, who gave us gifts.
[19:38.360 -> 19:40.360] Yeah, I am open to bribery as I'm sure Dan is.
[19:40.360 -> 19:44.360] Yeah, yeah, no we say listen, everyone's got a price including us.
[19:44.360 -> 19:45.440] Mine's low. as I'm sure Dan is. Yeah, yeah, no, we say listen, everyone's got a price, including us.
[19:49.360 -> 19:50.000] Moins alo. Hey, beautiful segue, including everyone having a price,
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[20:46.000 -> 20:52.800] Sorry, yeah, but I was going to do my other segue, it was going to be to Ferrari and Charles
[20:52.800 -> 20:57.880] Leclerc's miracle one-stop-tire strategy.
[20:57.880 -> 21:01.600] Did anyone actually believe that was ever going to work from the moment they even muttered
[21:01.600 -> 21:02.600] it?
[21:02.600 -> 21:03.600] Right.
[21:03.600 -> 21:07.640] So I think they did. What strikes me most is the complete lack
[21:07.640 -> 21:13.280] of communication, it seems like, between Leclerc and his race engineer. Because when that final
[21:13.280 -> 21:18.760] sad message came across, which is, do you think we should change to the other plan?
[21:18.760 -> 21:24.380] And his answer was like, well yeah, but ages ago and it's far too late now. So that means
[21:24.380 -> 21:25.680] that there was no conversation
[21:25.680 -> 21:29.200] happening where we go, what do you think we should do? You know, it's time to pull the
[21:29.200 -> 21:33.280] trigger. It's now or never. And we're at the point of no return. Should we box?
[21:33.280 -> 21:37.840] That conversation wasn't happening. They just went, no, this isn't going well. Should we go
[21:37.840 -> 21:49.020] to plan D? And he's like, well, plan C's ruined my race, but it's too late. So I don't know what's going on, whether Leclerc saw it all going badly and just felt so sad
[21:49.020 -> 21:53.180] that he just didn't then correct them.
[21:53.180 -> 21:56.360] It felt like he'd given up, you could see his head down in the car.
[21:56.360 -> 21:57.720] Yeah, yeah.
[21:57.720 -> 22:03.000] And again, I'm not claiming to be an expert on F1, which makes this point even more poignant,
[22:03.000 -> 22:05.840] but as soon as I realised that
[22:05.840 -> 22:11.280] the Ferrari was quick in qualifying, I was like, oh god, they've set it up for one lap
[22:11.280 -> 22:18.520] pace rather than race pace on a track that is known to be sandpaper to tyres in the Ferrari,
[22:18.520 -> 22:31.000] which is known to have absolutely no tyre management at all. This is going to go well. So, it's been a feature of this season that certain teams do well with low tyre wear,
[22:31.000 -> 22:35.760] and certain teams do well with high tyre wear, and it's been the same with drivers. So it's
[22:35.760 -> 22:40.520] been a real predictor. So as a content creator, it's been a little bit of a cheat code. So
[22:40.520 -> 22:44.000] as long as you can sort of look back and go, is this generally a high wear track? Is this
[22:44.000 -> 22:45.760] generally a low wear track? There this generally a low wear track?
[22:45.760 -> 22:49.560] There are drivers who are going to do better when there's less tyre wear.
[22:49.560 -> 22:53.240] So Piastri is much closer to Norris when there's tyre wear.
[22:53.240 -> 22:55.560] Norris is much closer to Lewis Hamilton.
[22:55.560 -> 22:58.560] So you can predict based on that.
[22:58.560 -> 23:04.840] And you can say, right, McLaren actually don't have good race pace tyre wear when it's tested.
[23:04.840 -> 23:07.840] As we saw at Kota, it fell away at the end.
[23:07.840 -> 23:10.840] And Ferrari's like an extreme version of that.
[23:10.840 -> 23:15.200] So even when there's lower tyre wear, they still are struggling with race pace.
[23:15.200 -> 23:18.760] But when it's like it was on Sunday, they're just disappearing.
[23:18.760 -> 23:23.920] And in fact, Leclerc did really well to get even close to the doomed strategy that they
[23:23.920 -> 23:25.120] were trying to put him
[23:25.120 -> 23:26.120] on.
[23:26.120 -> 23:29.480] So, so yeah, it's, it's really interesting because if Pirelli have a limited amount of
[23:29.480 -> 23:33.580] time in this sport and the rumors are that they're going to be out after the end of this
[23:33.580 -> 23:38.880] next contract and someone like Bridgestone comes in who doesn't want to do this performance
[23:38.880 -> 23:42.360] wearing tire, then you're going to see the sport completely change.
[23:42.360 -> 23:49.720] You're going to see different drivers be strong and And you have to even wonder if this formula wasn't like this, would Lewis
[23:49.720 -> 23:55.320] Hamilton have had that dominant period over Rosberg? Because I know Rosberg won 2016,
[23:55.320 -> 24:00.340] but Hamilton always had the faster race pace throughout that time. Would he have been so
[24:00.340 -> 24:06.000] dominant over Bottas, who everyone was saying was great as he came in, and would
[24:06.000 -> 24:12.600] he still be ahead on race pace against Russell? So this is very much a formula that is around
[24:12.600 -> 24:20.080] that Pirelli model. It's really interesting how critical managing tyre stints, and we
[24:20.080 -> 24:26.600] saw it in Qatar where the stints were shortened, suddenly all those weaknesses disappeared. Yeah, thank you.
[24:26.600 -> 24:31.840] I'd mentally blocked out that whole stupid weekend out of my head and you just reminded
[24:31.840 -> 24:34.680] me of the clown show.
[24:34.680 -> 24:40.600] But going back to your comment about Bottas and Hamel, and I think then at the time, Bottas
[24:40.600 -> 24:46.000] is suffering from what Checo is now, and that's whoever's in that second seat is
[24:46.000 -> 24:51.240] always going to look crap in comparison to Lewis or to Max.
[24:51.240 -> 24:55.080] I think they sort of got, they were both part of that second driver syndrome.
[24:55.080 -> 24:56.080] Yeah.
[24:56.080 -> 24:58.560] I still think Hamilton is a better driver than Bottas but...
[24:58.560 -> 24:59.560] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
[24:59.560 -> 25:03.960] Right, yeah, Hamilton like made Bottas look like a mug and I don't think anyone would
[25:03.960 -> 25:05.040] have predicted that, but
[25:05.040 -> 25:09.320] he did, didn't he? He made him look like, okay, so Bottas could qualify, but then what
[25:09.320 -> 25:13.920] Hamilton would do is sit behind him for the first stint and basically push just enough
[25:13.920 -> 25:19.880] to make Bottas go over that tyre wear threshold. And then he would just hunt him down and either
[25:19.880 -> 25:30.200] pull a Hammer Time undercut. That's that period, wasn't it? That hammer time. Or he would just rinse him on track because he was able to manage the tyres through that stint. So, okay,
[25:30.200 -> 25:35.400] so let's say it wouldn't have changed that dynamic, but it gave Hamilton a superpower
[25:35.400 -> 25:41.760] over Bottas. And I don't know if that's a strength particularly of Verstappen, but you've
[25:41.760 -> 25:49.920] got to think it's likely he's had his whole career with these tyres and he's been faster than his teammates on these tyres for his whole
[25:49.920 -> 25:53.120] career. It could be a similar sort of phenomenon going on there too.
[25:53.120 -> 25:58.640] Yeah, yeah. So there you go. And I was going to say something really intelligent.
[25:58.640 -> 26:01.280] Sorry, I took you away from Ferrari, that's what I did.
[26:01.280 -> 26:02.280] Oh yeah, there was something else.
[26:02.280 -> 26:04.040] It reminded me all about Hamilton again, didn't I?
[26:04.040 -> 26:10.800] I know, there was something else I wanted Ferrari to be better so that I can start hating them
[26:10.800 -> 26:16.960] properly again. Yeah okay yeah you think at the moment it's fashionable to hate Ferrari but you
[26:16.960 -> 26:23.200] want to... No no yeah they're too you can't hate a puppy that's on the ground bleeding you have to
[26:23.200 -> 26:30.560] you want to feed that puppy turn him into a wolf and then you can go, ah, yeah, we have to all fear the hated and dreaded
[26:30.560 -> 26:34.880] wolf. Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. I don't think he's going to happen anytime soon though.
[26:36.560 -> 26:39.840] By the way, I don't think you have to worry about losing any of your listeners to miss
[26:39.840 -> 26:44.160] Apex podcast. Looking, looking at the chat. I don't think they want to be converted to,
[26:44.880 -> 26:47.400] yeah, I don't think they want to be converted to a ham foasty show.
[26:47.400 -> 26:48.840] So I think I think you're going to be all right.
[26:48.840 -> 26:49.840] Good.
[26:49.840 -> 26:50.840] Wicked.
[26:50.840 -> 26:51.840] Yeah.
[26:51.840 -> 26:52.840] Anyway.
[26:52.840 -> 26:53.840] Hello, hello chat.
[26:53.840 -> 26:54.840] How you doing?
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[26:59.480 -> 27:00.800] There you go.
[27:00.800 -> 27:03.080] Another nice little segue for you.
[27:03.080 -> 27:08.440] And you can see what Dan looks like, which is like a beautiful mountain bear.
[27:08.440 -> 27:09.440] Homeless.
[27:09.440 -> 27:11.440] I'm looking very homeless at the moment.
[27:11.440 -> 27:16.920] And to keep it in the US tradition with the Grand Prix, I'm drinking some Mountain Dew.
[27:16.920 -> 27:17.920] That's American, isn't it?
[27:17.920 -> 27:18.920] That's an American thing.
[27:18.920 -> 27:19.920] Never had it.
[27:19.920 -> 27:20.920] Never had it.
[27:20.920 -> 27:21.920] Wouldn't recommend it.
[27:21.920 -> 27:22.920] There you go.
[27:22.920 -> 27:23.920] Yeah, so.
[27:23.920 -> 27:24.920] Very different vibe, this pod.
[27:24.920 -> 27:28.440] Oh yeah, no, we ain't got a clue There you go. Um, yeah, very different vibe. This pod. Oh yeah,
[27:28.440 -> 27:35.720] no, we ain't got a clue what we're doing here, mate. Right. So Mercedes, a shite, uh, Ferrari,
[27:35.720 -> 27:40.440] a shite. Uh, who else was shite this weekend? Aston Martin. They were shite. Is that what
[27:40.440 -> 27:48.240] we do? Is it like just cause I actually, I try with the content. It's so much easier to be negative, like it's so easy to be negative because when people
[27:48.240 -> 27:50.920] are doing a good job it doesn't stand out and there's not much to talk about so you
[27:50.920 -> 27:55.960] just go yeah they've done good, it's not very interesting, so it's so easy to go, so I'm
[27:55.960 -> 27:59.480] going out of my way to go right remember to be positive, but if that's not something you're
[27:59.480 -> 28:03.320] hobbled by, that's brilliant, we can just go on full shit watch.
[28:03.320 -> 28:09.360] Yeah, Blake is usually here and he'll sort of interrupt me with some technical babble right because he's a
[28:09.360 -> 28:13.480] moron and got himself stuck in an airport in America I've got free reign
[28:13.480 -> 28:16.400] of this show. Right right let's go let's slag people off then who we slagging off?
[28:16.400 -> 28:22.080] As the minds turn now. Who as predicted by Fernando Alonso finished yet another
[28:22.080 -> 28:27.040] another yet another podium because they because Alonso said we will never finish off
[28:27.040 -> 28:28.040] the podium again.
[28:28.040 -> 28:32.800] Yeah, if you count the F2 times, then they definitely finished on the podium.
[28:32.800 -> 28:35.980] Aston Martin have annoyed me this season. Everything about Aston Martin has annoyed
[28:35.980 -> 28:42.960] me. So I'm sure they're lovely people, but when it comes to picking a path through their
[28:42.960 -> 28:46.080] PR and what they say, it's been, it's been
[28:46.080 -> 28:50.320] frustrating. So you had the Mike Crack, bigging up Lance Stroll saying that when he crashed
[28:50.320 -> 28:54.800] at Singapore, that was a sign of how good he was. And then Lawrence Stroll just before
[28:54.800 -> 29:00.640] this race said, actually Lance isn't doing badly. It's unlucky. And he points to some
[29:00.640 -> 29:07.800] DNFs and there have been some DNFs, but obviously the pace difference between him and Fernando Alonso isn't down to bad luck.
[29:07.800 -> 29:11.720] There's something fundamental in the way they drive a racing car.
[29:11.720 -> 29:16.720] So actually I was thinking after Qatar or after the race before that, was it Qatar with
[29:16.720 -> 29:19.240] the sprint race pushing his trainer and stuff?
[29:19.240 -> 29:22.360] I wondered if that was a tipping point and they were going to go, all right, let's just
[29:22.360 -> 29:24.120] bail out of this now.
[29:24.120 -> 29:27.320] But the PR that has come out since, I think they're doubling down.
[29:27.320 -> 29:29.200] I think they're going for it again.
[29:29.200 -> 29:31.400] And okay, here's a prediction.
[29:31.400 -> 29:36.920] The Aston Martin pace will disappear or appear to have disappeared over the next five remaining
[29:36.920 -> 29:38.640] weekends.
[29:38.640 -> 29:42.680] But the gap between Alonzo and Stroll will be smaller because that's the only way they
[29:42.680 -> 29:45.440] can rescue plan project, project, lance.
[29:45.440 -> 29:47.760] Okay, okay, I hear you.
[29:47.760 -> 29:53.560] Yeah, yeah, they're gonna turn down the revs, they're gonna add some choke to Alonso's engine.
[29:53.560 -> 29:56.480] The prediction we had on the last episode, it wasn't really a prediction, it was more
[29:56.480 -> 30:02.120] of a, hmm, this is a funny convenience, that all of a sudden the Valkyrie is now perfectly
[30:02.120 -> 30:04.520] legal to be driven in the wake.
[30:04.520 -> 30:08.280] Ah, yeah, yeah. And that was part of it, that I thought they have an escape plan. Because
[30:08.280 -> 30:13.600] I wonder, do you really want to subject Lance Stroll to another season of being hammered
[30:13.600 -> 30:19.520] by Alonso? The only way to stop that is to nerf Alonso and just go, okay, well fine,
[30:19.520 -> 30:25.480] we're not pushing for podiums, but look, Lance and Fernando, they're quite close together.
[30:25.480 -> 30:30.120] Or the other thing, which I think you'll like better, is to get Alonso to quit.
[30:30.120 -> 30:34.960] So like, manufacture some massive drama, because it wouldn't be the first time Alonso's had
[30:34.960 -> 30:38.280] a bit of a falling out with people.
[30:38.280 -> 30:39.280] That's what I think.
[30:39.280 -> 30:40.280] And then you need to get Perez in.
[30:40.280 -> 30:43.320] I don't think Aston Martin needs to manufacture drama with Alonso.
[30:43.320 -> 30:47.040] I think he's quite capable of doing it himself.
[30:47.040 -> 30:51.280] You hear that clock ticking, yeah that's the drama being manufactured.
[30:51.280 -> 30:54.520] He seems to be doing okay so far, but I think that's probably just because he's so far in
[30:54.520 -> 30:55.520] front of Stroll.
[30:55.520 -> 30:56.520] He's so far ahead.
[30:56.520 -> 30:57.520] He's just like, whatever.
[30:57.520 -> 31:00.760] When the nerf-ening starts, then it's going to get tense.
[31:00.760 -> 31:03.160] Then it's going to get spicy.
[31:03.160 -> 31:07.840] So yeah, their upgrades this weekend all turned out to be, uh, a struggle
[31:07.920 -> 31:11.240] because, uh, basically they just had constant issues in every session
[31:11.240 -> 31:12.400] with their brakes overheating.
[31:13.000 -> 31:16.680] So they'd vastly underestimated the amount of braking cooling
[31:16.680 -> 31:17.800] that they needed for that.
[31:18.880 -> 31:21.000] Uh, so yeah, bad weekend for that.
[31:21.200 -> 31:28.960] Um, Alonzo out in Q1, which was his first non Q3 appearance this season,
[31:29.980 -> 31:31.120] which I thought was quite surprising.
[31:31.120 -> 31:32.760] I didn't, I didn't realize he had been that strong.
[31:33.420 -> 31:38.120] Which goes to show that he's now, and he was only like two tenths faster than
[31:38.240 -> 31:40.880] than Stroll, I think as well in that session, they got knocked out.
[31:41.240 -> 31:41.520] Yeah.
[31:41.680 -> 31:41.960] Yeah.
[31:42.720 -> 31:45.240] So they were on the struggle bus all weekend.
[31:45.880 -> 31:50.320] Um, and they, what did they do in the race?
[31:50.360 -> 31:51.560] They were one of them retired.
[31:51.560 -> 31:51.840] Didn't they?
[31:51.840 -> 31:52.160] Who was it?
[31:52.160 -> 31:52.560] The retired?
[31:52.560 -> 31:52.760] Was it?
[31:52.760 -> 31:53.080] Strong?
[31:53.080 -> 31:53.520] Alonzo.
[31:53.760 -> 31:54.720] No, Alonzo retired.
[31:54.800 -> 31:55.000] Yep.
[31:55.960 -> 31:56.320] Yes.
[31:56.320 -> 32:00.120] Alonzo retired and then, um, stroll shit house his way into some points.
[32:00.120 -> 32:00.520] Didn't he?
[32:00.720 -> 32:03.560] Through the ENFs, uh, disqualifications and that.
[32:04.240 -> 32:11.440] So I was on, I was on the ringer with the host there, the Mighty Meg is American, and she was very
[32:11.440 -> 32:14.480] happy that Logan Sargent had gotten points.
[32:14.480 -> 32:15.480] Yes.
[32:15.480 -> 32:20.240] I'm like, okay, well, okay. I mean, technically, yeah. In a race where four people started
[32:20.240 -> 32:25.260] from the pit lane, I think there was three retired from contacts or two retired
[32:25.260 -> 32:28.960] from contacts and then you had two people disqualified. I was like, yeah, okay, I'm
[32:28.960 -> 32:34.000] fine but I'm not going to do jumping jacks. He did the minimum thing that you would expect
[32:34.000 -> 32:39.480] him to do, which is finish quite close to his teammate and he hit the curb sort of more
[32:39.480 -> 32:44.400] or less by himself into turn one as well and apparently hit the anti-stall as part of that.
[32:44.400 -> 32:50.360] I don't know whether the anti-stall is. Either it kicked in or he kicked it in, but it was still like
[32:50.360 -> 32:55.320] an error. And then you go, okay, well, he finished near his teammate. Good. That's okay.
[32:55.320 -> 32:59.120] Celebrate the point. I don't want to be mean spirited. It's been a tough year. Go and celebrate
[32:59.120 -> 33:03.000] your point. That's one data point on the journey, but it's the same with Stroll really. He's
[33:03.000 -> 33:09.400] had such a poor season that I'm not going to celebrate or see that as redemption that in a very high
[33:09.400 -> 33:12.400] attrition race, you know, he's got a point or two.
[33:12.400 -> 33:19.880] Yeah, yeah, I'm happy for him. But I agree, Albon's making him look a bit silly. Bless
[33:19.880 -> 33:20.880] him.
[33:20.880 -> 33:26.920] And we've got no real evidence. I mean, Albon's doing really well, but his shot at the top,
[33:26.920 -> 33:30.840] he was comprehensively slower than Verstappen. And that's no shame because Gasly's had that,
[33:30.840 -> 33:37.200] Perez has had that as well. But what we really want to see is Albon up against Gasly, Ocon
[33:37.200 -> 33:41.960] up against Leclerc, or something like that. I don't think we've got a good gauge of how
[33:41.960 -> 33:44.320] good a marker Albon is.
[33:44.320 -> 33:49.120] No, I don't think it'll ever happen, but I would like to see Albon back in the second
[33:49.120 -> 33:55.000] Red Bull seat. I think when he was at Red Bull that he was in there too soon, too much
[33:55.000 -> 34:01.160] pressure and it just all sort of capitulated. I think he would do better this time. I don't
[34:01.160 -> 34:05.760] know how much better but I think it would be better.
[34:10.320 -> 34:11.160] And I think he's been quite open saying that I appreciate Red Bull, but no, I'm done.
[34:12.400 -> 34:12.600] And I can respect that.
[34:13.440 -> 34:15.400] I don't blame him.
[34:16.360 -> 34:18.320] Oh, dear. Anyway, who wants to work for Helmut Marko anyway?
[34:18.360 -> 34:19.160] Not me.
[34:19.800 -> 34:24.320] Well, Verstappen does, because all the rumours that are definitely true that have been
[34:24.320 -> 34:33.080] swirling out of Red Bull this week, one of them was if Marko goes, Verstappen does, because all the rumours that are definitely true that have been swirling out of Red Bull this week, one of them was, if Marco goes, Verstappen goes.
[34:33.080 -> 34:35.200] I doubt that.
[34:35.200 -> 34:51.640] I can see a scenario where Marco is probably corporately managed out is probably a nice way of saying it because I know Marco and Matuszcz, they were really close and I'm not sure what
[34:51.640 -> 34:55.200] that relationship's like with his son. His son's really nice, you know we've
[34:55.200 -> 35:01.120] met him a few times, his son's really nice but I don't know, I don't know.
[35:01.120 -> 35:08.360] Marco's getting on. Yeah he didn't do himself any favours, just being very outspoken and then falling foul
[35:08.360 -> 35:11.000] of bad PR.
[35:11.000 -> 35:14.720] If you had a PR person vetting his every comment, a lot of those comments wouldn't have gone
[35:14.720 -> 35:20.320] out, but the unvetted comments got him into a little bit of hot water.
[35:20.320 -> 35:24.140] But that's how he thinks, that's how he is, and since then, there's been a never-ending
[35:24.140 -> 35:31.520] stream of quotes. So you might think, okay, Helmut, let's just keep under the radar for a little bit. Let's
[35:32.240 -> 35:38.240] let this blow over. But let's say after all the kind of Mexican comments, he was then being quoted
[35:38.240 -> 35:50.720] and interviewed by every news source in Europe. It's like he went out of his way. Someone said, lie low Helmut for a bit and he just went, no, you don't tell me what to do. I'm going to double the amount
[35:50.720 -> 35:52.560] of quotes I do. That's interesting.
[35:52.560 -> 35:57.800] That's the thing though, he answers to no one. I think the only person he answers to
[35:57.800 -> 36:04.760] in the Red Bull hierarchy is the shareholders now. I think he's at that echelon where he's
[36:04.760 -> 36:05.600] certainly not going to listen to Christian and he's certainly not going to listen to
[36:05.600 -> 36:09.640] Christian and he's certainly not going to listen to any of the PR people working for
[36:09.640 -> 36:15.320] Red Bull Racing when they say, Marco, just 10 minutes, just go walk it off.
[36:15.320 -> 36:21.360] Yeah. I've got a Red Bull question though. If Helmut Marco leaves, that role doesn't
[36:21.360 -> 36:25.480] need to be replaced, does it? It's not like he's the front jackman.
[36:25.480 -> 36:28.040] They just wouldn't replace that role.
[36:28.040 -> 36:31.280] I think they would replace that role, and you know who I think they should?
[36:31.280 -> 36:34.400] I don't know if they would, but I think they should.
[36:34.400 -> 36:35.800] Mr. Tumble from BBC?
[36:35.800 -> 36:37.320] No, Sebastian Vettel.
[36:37.320 -> 36:38.320] Really?
[36:38.320 -> 36:39.320] Yeah.
[36:39.320 -> 36:40.320] Nice.
[36:40.320 -> 36:45.880] I can see a scenario where they get Vettel to come in and do a sort of driver mentoring
[36:45.880 -> 36:46.880] role.
[36:46.880 -> 36:52.800] So, PanCon5, sorry, has distracted me there by saying Dr. Marco will be passionately adored
[36:52.800 -> 36:53.920] this weekend.
[36:53.920 -> 36:55.880] Will Helmut Marco be in Mexico?
[36:55.880 -> 36:57.600] I don't think he should go.
[36:57.600 -> 37:00.880] I don't think Red Bull should take him.
[37:00.880 -> 37:05.520] If you thought those boos and the chanting of Checo at the US Grand Prix were bad.
[37:05.520 -> 37:10.840] Alright, what do you think of the boos? I don't care. Do you not care? I honestly don't care.
[37:10.840 -> 37:18.560] If you want to pay $400, $500 to go to a race circuit and boo a multi-millionaire, crack on.
[37:18.560 -> 37:26.040] You go for it, mate. Yeah, I've come from football stands. that's my sporting fan background and you definitely
[37:26.040 -> 37:33.720] can boo and as a Colchester United fan most of those boos were directed at our own players.
[37:33.720 -> 37:36.300] That's happening at the moment, I picked the wrong season to start following Colchester
[37:36.300 -> 37:43.840] United. The captain, they were losing 5-0, they lost 5-0 away to Forest Green and they
[37:43.840 -> 37:45.920] went to the fans at the away end, their own
[37:45.920 -> 37:51.020] fans, and the captain was there for 10 minutes apologizing as the fans were booing him and
[37:51.020 -> 37:52.020] managers gone now.
[37:52.020 -> 37:53.020] But yeah, I think you're right.
[37:53.020 -> 37:57.800] It is part of sport and in F1 people are kind of clutch their pearls about booing.
[37:57.800 -> 38:00.140] And I think it depends on the intent.
[38:00.140 -> 38:03.340] When it's pantomime booing, I mean, that's fine.
[38:03.340 -> 38:07.600] I mean, obviously there's an England an England, Germany sporting rivalry that's
[38:07.600 -> 38:09.000] very much come from football.
[38:09.360 -> 38:14.120] So when it was Hamilton versus Vettel, sorry, sorry, I took you off the Vettel
[38:14.120 -> 38:17.280] train there, but when it was Hamilton versus Vettel, he was very much a, you
[38:17.280 -> 38:18.440] know, the pantomime villain.
[38:18.560 -> 38:23.560] So I've been at Silverstone 2013, I think his engine chugged to a halt down the
[38:23.560 -> 38:26.680] down the home straight and it was good good-natured booing.
[38:26.680 -> 38:30.380] So you go, well, what was that booing at Verstappen?
[38:30.380 -> 38:33.520] I know people said that it was a politician, but I've watched it back.
[38:33.520 -> 38:36.760] I've watched it back a hundred times, actually, Dan.
[38:36.760 -> 38:41.080] I've watched it back a few times and you could see the moment he's celebrating and he realized
[38:41.080 -> 38:49.900] that there's booing coming and he's head down and he lives underneath his cap and it's disappointing. I think it's not nice for the drivers. I know in Zandvoort
[38:49.900 -> 38:53.780] he advised Hamilton, well just ignore it, just push it out of your head. I think those
[38:53.780 -> 39:01.940] things are easier said than done. In a moment, I think as a content creator, you'll be resistant
[39:01.940 -> 39:09.040] to most of the comments, but every now and then one will just come and get you and just tickle a nerve. And it looked like that had happened to Verstappen
[39:09.040 -> 39:12.960] and then you feel sad, even as someone who's not a fan, and you go, oh, he didn't get to
[39:12.960 -> 39:17.880] enjoy his moment because of that booing. And it didn't sound actually that good-natured.
[39:17.880 -> 39:22.520] So I don't know, I'm torn. I went from pro-booing and now I'm more on the fence.
[39:22.520 -> 39:23.520] Pro-booing.
[39:23.520 -> 39:29.360] Yeah, I was pro-booing because it's a sport, you can just boo people. And now I've softened on that and I've gone, I think maybe the nature
[39:29.360 -> 39:35.280] of booing in sport has changed. So now it feels suddenly in a toxic social media environment,
[39:35.280 -> 39:39.440] maybe more of that has translated onto the booing. Does that make sense? So now I'm more
[39:39.440 -> 39:47.280] anti-booing because I think I haven't changed, the booing has changed. The intent behind the booing has changed.
[39:49.280 -> 39:51.600] I get where you're coming from. Like you say, pantomime booing,
[39:52.640 -> 39:57.200] like they say, referee get some glasses sort of thing, you know, very funny.
[39:57.840 -> 40:01.920] But then when it's sort of more, I don't know what you'd call it, but yeah,
[40:01.920 -> 40:03.520] I know what you're getting at. Yeah.
[40:03.520 -> 40:08.560] So you should go, boo, but I respect you as an athlete, but as a sporting rival, boo.
[40:08.560 -> 40:09.560] If you can make that.
[40:09.560 -> 40:12.360] You're very successful, but I fucking hate you.
[40:12.360 -> 40:13.680] We admire your work, right?
[40:13.680 -> 40:14.680] But boo.
[40:14.680 -> 40:15.680] Yeah.
[40:15.680 -> 40:16.680] I don't know if they can do that.
[40:16.680 -> 40:17.680] No, I don't know.
[40:17.680 -> 40:18.680] They should.
[40:18.680 -> 40:19.680] They should definitely do that.
[40:19.680 -> 40:24.160] But yeah, like I say, mate, if people want to pay $500 to go boo a multimillionaire,
[40:24.160 -> 40:25.840] who's going to go cry himself to sleep with
[40:25.840 -> 40:29.600] a winner's trophy, then crack on mate.
[40:29.600 -> 40:30.600] Crack on.
[40:30.600 -> 40:33.920] Um, what was I, something else I was going to say.
[40:33.920 -> 40:34.920] This is the recurring thing.
[40:34.920 -> 40:38.160] I write, I don't know how you do your show, but I write things down.
[40:38.160 -> 40:39.360] I write down what I'm going to say.
[40:39.360 -> 40:40.360] I plan it.
[40:40.360 -> 40:44.700] I've got, I've got show notes and I'm just, I don't care.
[40:44.700 -> 40:46.320] This is, we're going, we're going nuts.
[40:46.320 -> 40:47.480] We don't care this week.
[40:48.320 -> 40:49.760] Oh, there's nothing I can add.
[40:50.000 -> 40:51.040] Technical, right?
[40:51.040 -> 40:52.400] That Blake wouldn't add.
[40:52.480 -> 40:55.760] So, I mean, so we can guess technical stuff.
[40:55.840 -> 40:56.440] Yeah.
[40:56.560 -> 40:57.280] I mean, what have we got?
[40:57.280 -> 40:59.960] We've got, uh, so Mercedes, we slagged them off.
[40:59.960 -> 41:01.240] Ferrari, we slagged them off.
[41:01.840 -> 41:03.440] Aston, we slagged them off.
[41:03.520 -> 41:04.240] The stewards.
[41:04.240 -> 41:07.080] Slagged off Sergeant. Sergeant. Stroll. I don't know who else left is there. They're all left to slagged them off, Aston we slagged them off, the stewards, Sergeant, Stroll,
[41:07.080 -> 41:10.120] I don't know who else left is there, are there else left to slag off?
[41:10.120 -> 41:18.560] Well there's McLaren and we slagged off their race pace a little bit, but they are genuinely
[41:18.560 -> 41:21.480] impressive to be fair, so that upgrade really came in.
[41:21.480 -> 41:29.480] Oh this is a question I was going to ask you earlier. So if you talked about Ferrari setting up for qualifying rather than setting up for
[41:29.480 -> 41:35.840] the race, and this is a genuine question I was asking on Sunday, which is, do you have
[41:35.840 -> 41:38.120] to choose between one or the other?
[41:38.120 -> 41:43.560] And it can't be that because you wouldn't be so stupid as to keep setting up for Saturday.
[41:43.560 -> 41:47.120] Like Ferrari keep routinely doing well in qualifying for the last two years
[41:47.120 -> 41:48.880] and then don't have a race pace to match.
[41:49.680 -> 41:52.480] But you wouldn't just keep doing that if you could choose.
[41:52.480 -> 42:00.160] And I remember 2013, Mercedes had a very similar issue where they were on fire in qualifying.
[42:00.160 -> 42:01.120] Do you remember 2013?
[42:01.120 -> 42:05.360] They used to be on pole by like nine tenths of a second and then just
[42:05.360 -> 42:09.880] drop down the grid like a stone and the only tracks they could win were where you couldn't
[42:09.880 -> 42:14.240] overtake. So I think they won Silverstone. They won Silverstone that year, I think. So
[42:14.240 -> 42:19.880] yeah, and that was when Vettel did the, oh, they parked the silver bus comment. So I was
[42:19.880 -> 42:24.080] thinking, well, it can't just be a choice. Otherwise they would sometimes accidentally
[42:24.080 -> 42:25.200] set up for race pace and no Saturday pace. So it's got to be a choice otherwise they would sometimes accidentally set up for race
[42:25.200 -> 42:30.080] pace and no and no saturday pace so it's got it's got to be do do it's got to do with the way they
[42:30.080 -> 42:34.400] warm the tires up so if you're very aggressive on the tires you can get a hot lap in but then
[42:34.400 -> 42:39.280] they're not going to last throughout a stint and you go yeah but ferrari have had that issue
[42:39.280 -> 42:44.720] fundamentally for for nearly two years now and they haven't been able to to sort that out but
[42:44.720 -> 42:45.560] mclaren look
[42:45.560 -> 42:49.400] like they're in danger of doing that as well. I was hoping the upgrade might change that,
[42:49.400 -> 42:53.360] but fundamentally for whatever reason, they seem to have a car, oh, this is going to be
[42:53.360 -> 42:57.720] interesting. Do they struggle more on the rear limited tracks, for example, like Kota
[42:57.720 -> 43:01.240] was? So that would be an interesting one to try and shuffle through the data and pick
[43:01.240 -> 43:06.400] out did they struggle on race pace, on high wear circuits, where the wear was
[43:06.400 -> 43:13.840] at the rear tyre? Yeah, so I do wonder, is there someone in the team working on tyre management,
[43:13.840 -> 43:18.400] tyre saving, or is it once you get your concept, you've got the tyre wear you've got, you don't
[43:18.400 -> 43:24.560] know until the season starts and then you're stuck with it? Yeah, you can't inherently build a car
[43:24.560 -> 43:26.920] and then while you're building it go, okay, this is
[43:26.920 -> 43:29.480] going to be, we're going to build this to be really good on tire wear.
[43:30.280 -> 43:34.200] You don't know that until you get to testing and then you sort of either end up in a
[43:34.200 -> 43:35.960] scenario where you're like, oh, cool.
[43:35.960 -> 43:36.800] It's good on tires.
[43:36.800 -> 43:37.160] Great.
[43:37.160 -> 43:38.000] We can work with that.
[43:38.560 -> 43:41.200] Or, oh Jesus, it's chewing the tires.
[43:41.200 -> 43:41.520] Great.
[43:41.520 -> 43:44.520] We're going to have to compromise everything to sort of balance that out.
[43:43.600 -> 43:53.000] us, it's chewing the tires, great, we're going to have to compromise everything to sort of balance that out. The way Ferrari, I can't obviously speak for them, but I think inherently
[43:53.000 -> 43:58.000] that car is bad on tires. I think that's just a given. I don't think no matter what they
[43:58.000 -> 44:05.760] do with it, it's just bad on tires, that car. And that can be the geometry of the suspension, the way the mechanics of
[44:05.760 -> 44:10.440] the suspension works, the downforce, things like that. But essentially it all
[44:10.440 -> 44:14.600] comes down to how much energy can you put into the tire, maintain performance
[44:14.600 -> 44:20.920] without shredding the tires and Ferrari I think set their car up in a way where
[44:20.920 -> 44:28.160] they could put a lot of energy into their tire quick and make it quick over that one lap. And then when it comes to the race, they're like, oh, fuck,
[44:28.160 -> 44:31.680] we've gone too far. We're putting too much energy into these tyres and we're just cooking
[44:31.680 -> 44:33.840] them and burning them off.
[44:33.840 -> 44:40.640] And with such a difference in how the tyres manage that race pace, it does make Saturday
[44:40.640 -> 44:49.600] like annoying from a guesswork point of view, because every Saturday, the poor, you know, Ferrari fans, they get their hopes up, don't they? They get that little moment of hope,
[44:49.600 -> 44:53.760] which I let them, I always build it up and go, God, look how fast they look. They'll
[44:53.760 -> 44:58.360] probably definitely win on Sunday. So yeah, so like this is why I said qualifying kind
[44:58.360 -> 45:02.560] of feels like it's never been less important, unless you're at a track where passing is
[45:02.560 -> 45:05.300] impossible like Singapore. McLaren, even
[45:05.300 -> 45:09.440] with their upgrades, and this is someone with a lot of love for McLaren. I'm not dumping
[45:09.440 -> 45:14.940] on McLaren, but I do feel like this has been a little bit of a false dawn. So it feels
[45:14.940 -> 45:20.960] like yes, at Singapore they were able to win. They were able to hang on and it was difficult
[45:20.960 -> 45:31.020] to overtake and they could have that little game of DRS swapping with Carlos Sainz. And they've had other events where Mercedes have dropped the ball and been
[45:31.020 -> 45:36.120] so far behind that the race pace doesn't then make that gap up. So I'm just, I'm worried
[45:36.120 -> 45:41.620] that McLaren well-wishers are getting their hopes up a little bit. Also, we're in a period
[45:41.620 -> 45:49.760] where the other teams aren't developing as much and they're on their B-spec. So I don't know when we get a little bit of a reset in the offseason,
[45:49.760 -> 45:54.440] because everybody gets a little bit of a winter offset. I think that McLaren are going to
[45:54.440 -> 45:56.800] settle comfortably back into fourth and fifth.
[45:56.800 -> 46:01.640] Yeah, I've seen some people mention this online. They're just like, oh, I'm a McLaren fan and
[46:01.640 -> 46:06.200] I can't wait for us to finish sixth next year sort of thing, you know, like where they just go backwards.
[46:06.200 -> 46:11.680] Yeah, sorry McLaren fan, but enjoy this season because no one else is developing and even
[46:11.680 -> 46:14.120] like Red Bull aren't developing anymore are they?
[46:14.120 -> 46:19.680] So like we might get to like Brazil and get a Mercedes winner in Brazil.
[46:19.680 -> 46:23.040] Let's be honest, Red Bull don't need to develop that car.
[46:23.040 -> 46:27.520] They could stop developing it in March and I think they'd be alright, to be perfectly
[46:27.520 -> 46:29.480] honest with you.
[46:29.480 -> 46:30.480] So yeah.
[46:30.480 -> 46:35.520] Right, I believe, Spanners correct me if I'm wrong, but I've only got six minutes left
[46:35.520 -> 46:38.360] with you because you're on a bit of a hard time tonight, aren't you?
[46:38.360 -> 46:43.800] I think it's relaxed a little bit because I was a good boy with my voiceovers and I
[46:43.800 -> 46:51.600] got them done. But if you think you're sick of the sound of my voice, I've been having to listen to this
[46:51.600 -> 46:56.160] stupid voice all day. Good. No, just checking. I didn't want to overrun because
[46:57.120 -> 47:03.600] we have two very important segments. Let's do the segments. I'd love to give you the bumper for them.
[47:03.600 -> 47:05.120] However, I forgot to load them
[47:05.120 -> 47:09.840] into my soundboard before we went live. So what's the what's the segment and we'll this is
[47:11.440 -> 47:16.720] Fraud Watch with Dan and Spanners, let's talk about the things that are not true,
[47:16.720 -> 47:21.280] let's do some skiing on the hill of truth and that is the song that'll do.
[47:22.480 -> 47:25.120] Perfect thank you, so Fraud Watch is basically where we
[47:25.120 -> 47:29.940] pick our bad thing of the weekend be it team, driver, anything to do with the F1
[47:29.940 -> 47:37.880] weekend and yeah so as you are our guest I'll let you go first what was your
[47:37.880 -> 47:44.520] bad thing of the weekend? Sprint weekend. Sprints, all sprints in general and thank
[47:44.520 -> 47:46.400] you to your man Max Verstappen there for
[47:46.400 -> 47:51.040] saying the quiet bit out loud because this is the thing we said right from the beginning,
[47:51.040 -> 47:56.560] even when it was being proposed, is that you can't have a little bit of a Grand Prix and call it an
[47:56.560 -> 48:02.320] event. You can't. You can't have a third of a Grand Prix and go that's your sprint race because
[48:02.320 -> 48:05.920] the whole point of a Grand Prix in the Pirelli era is that
[48:05.920 -> 48:12.160] the varying tyre compounds and the fact that they will wear differently with different drivers
[48:12.160 -> 48:18.160] creates strategy and creates deltas that encourage overtaking strategy, wheel-to-wheel action.
[48:19.040 -> 48:26.640] That develops and brews. We've come to learn over the last six or seven years with these tyres that Stint 1 is
[48:26.640 -> 48:32.160] obviously corner one and then there's this tyre management chess game and you can look for little
[48:32.160 -> 48:37.120] clues in the timing screens so you can kind of go, oh okay they're all maintaining 142s. Well,
[48:37.120 -> 48:42.960] if they're all maintaining 142s they must be tyre saving. Oh Hamilton's done a little bit of a push
[48:42.960 -> 48:48.680] with a 140 so that's closer to his real pace. Oh, they responded up front. So are they going to respond to
[48:48.680 -> 48:52.480] this pace and wear out their tyres or are they going to drop back? And it's been this
[48:52.480 -> 48:57.720] stint one game of chess that then leads to all the strategy. And that's been the best
[48:57.720 -> 49:04.120] bit of Grand Prix racing, really, from a strategy point of view. You can't then just take that
[49:04.120 -> 49:05.280] first bit and go, well, that's the
[49:05.280 -> 49:10.340] sprint race, just on you go. It is like cooking up hard pasta, you know, and the sprint race
[49:10.340 -> 49:15.660] is just a bunch of angry F1 fans who have to watch it because we're addicted. They know
[49:15.660 -> 49:22.100] that just crunching on their uncooked F1 pasta.
[49:22.100 -> 49:26.120] Someone in the chat says, arguably, the only thing Max has been more consistent on than
[49:26.120 -> 49:28.640] his performances is his hatred of sprint races.
[49:28.640 -> 49:34.480] I'm glad he said it like that, said it fully out loud. You know, this is rubbish. All you're
[49:34.480 -> 49:38.680] doing is you're taking away. It was worse when it set the grid for the Grand Prix. That
[49:38.680 -> 49:44.040] was worse because it unshuffled anything exciting from qualifying. So it is slightly better
[49:44.040 -> 49:45.720] that it's separate.
[49:45.720 -> 49:50.760] But also Saturday is my Grand Prix day. Why not have, if you want to have a silly sprint,
[49:50.760 -> 49:54.480] you do that, I don't know, do it on a Friday, do it on the Saturday morning so that we can
[49:54.480 -> 49:58.480] just have our Saturday afternoon qualifying and our normal Sunday Grand Prix. I feel like
[49:58.480 -> 50:04.120] they're determined to make this work because the viewing figures, as much as I don't like
[50:04.120 -> 50:05.080] the sprint, I'm going to watch like the sprints, I'm going to
[50:05.080 -> 50:09.580] watch it. All right, I'm going to, and I'll use my taco analogy, which is two tacos is
[50:09.580 -> 50:14.680] the amount of tacos I want. But if you give me four tacos, I'm going to eat four tacos
[50:14.680 -> 50:20.000] under protest. I'm going to say, I don't need four tacos, but I'll continue eating them.
[50:20.000 -> 50:27.120] So I have to, I have to binge watch any F1 that's on, but it's not as good. The quality of the weekend is not as good.
[50:27.120 -> 50:33.000] Every individual session, competitive session, is diluted by having all those sessions.
[50:33.000 -> 50:34.800] And Verstappen's right.
[50:34.800 -> 50:39.480] We went into Sunday knowing Ferrari don't really have a chance, Clarence are going to
[50:39.480 -> 50:46.640] struggle, actually Mercedes are looking pretty good, and Red Bull have got the pace to come from sixth place and
[50:46.640 -> 50:50.400] go and win. So yeah, he was right. It's like opening your Christmas presents on Christmas
[50:50.400 -> 50:54.080] Eve opening and then you wake up in the morning and go, oh, I've only got this small one from
[50:54.080 -> 51:01.040] Aunt Sylve and it's just going to be like a sock. It's one sock because Aunt Sylve's horrible.
[51:01.040 -> 51:09.200] Yeah, I've only got this one present under the tree from Joe Bauer and it's a sanding block.
[51:09.200 -> 51:14.640] A sanding block in his pocket. Oh, look at that. Look at that. The plank's worn down.
[51:14.640 -> 51:19.800] They're going to keep it because of the viewing figures. So they're going to start going more
[51:19.800 -> 51:26.440] and more ridiculous now. So I would say get braced for reverse championship grid, which at least
[51:26.440 -> 51:30.680] will be fun. If they're going to do the sprint race, which they are going to, it should be
[51:30.680 -> 51:34.920] substantially different. It's got to be a completely different thing. So carbon fiber
[51:34.920 -> 51:39.520] fest. But the thing is, reverse championship grid is probably going to be more fun than
[51:39.520 -> 51:44.200] the Grand Prix. So then we'll make that the Grand Prix and make the endurance-y two-hour
[51:44.200 -> 51:49.960] one, make that the endurance Saturday for the main event, which is the reverse championship smashy-smashy
[51:49.960 -> 51:50.960] race.
[51:50.960 -> 51:51.960] Yeah, no, I'm with you.
[51:51.960 -> 51:52.960] Don't half-arse it.
[51:52.960 -> 51:54.520] If you're going to do it, let's do it.
[51:54.520 -> 51:56.440] Let's completely mix it up.
[51:56.440 -> 52:00.000] Bring back the Hypersoft or the Ultrasoft just for the sprints only.
[52:00.000 -> 52:01.000] Make it reverse grid.
[52:01.000 -> 52:03.720] If you're going to do it, do it.
[52:03.720 -> 52:04.720] So yeah, no, I'm with you.
[52:04.720 -> 52:05.440] You could even say, yeah, if you have a
[52:05.440 -> 52:10.960] Hypersoft in, then you're introducing a Pitstop into the sprint race, which yeah, then at least
[52:10.960 -> 52:15.920] there's something. Yeah, and now I'm with you on that one. Or I could have a strength of character
[52:15.920 -> 52:24.320] to just ignore the sprint races. But I don't, I don't have that. So my nomination for this week's
[52:24.320 -> 52:26.480] Fraud Watcher is probably going to come as no surprise to
[52:26.480 -> 52:33.200] anyone but it's whoever cocked up or dreamt up that Ferrari strategy by making Charles
[52:33.200 -> 52:35.120] do the one stop.
[52:35.120 -> 52:41.720] At least Mercedes tried it with Hamilton and they tried it with Lando, but they're very
[52:41.720 -> 52:44.280] quick to realise this isn't going to work, so they recovered.
[52:44.280 -> 52:45.600] Not quite quick enough.
[52:45.600 -> 52:50.400] Well, no, but not like Ferrari, who were like, no, we're leaving Charles out there and in
[52:50.400 -> 52:54.680] 13 laps from the end of the race, we're going to ask him if he wants to change strategy.
[52:54.680 -> 52:57.240] What do you want him to do at that point?
[52:57.240 -> 53:00.000] When you look at, who's the strategist at Red Bull?
[53:00.000 -> 53:01.000] Hannah.
[53:01.000 -> 53:03.000] Hannah, is it Smith?
[53:03.000 -> 53:05.000] Yes. Yeah.
[53:05.000 -> 53:10.880] So they, they, to me, they knew exactly what the strategy was going to be.
[53:10.880 -> 53:13.680] And whilst everybody was going, I think we can make a one stop work.
[53:13.680 -> 53:17.040] I think Red Bull the whole time, we're like, no, two stop.
[53:17.040 -> 53:18.040] And they went for it.
[53:18.040 -> 53:19.040] They were decisive.
[53:19.040 -> 53:27.600] And it reminded me of like Red Bull in 20, 2018, say Red Bull 2017, 2018, where they didn't have the car, but I felt like they were the
[53:27.600 -> 53:31.000] best team operationally throughout all of that.
[53:31.000 -> 53:37.000] And they kept affecting the battles up front by being aggressive and they seemed to favour,
[53:37.000 -> 53:40.680] okay, let's not kick the ass out of a tyre.
[53:40.680 -> 53:43.800] Let's do the strategy that actually lets us go racing.
[53:43.800 -> 53:47.360] And the amount of times they pulled the trigger on the early stops and then made everyone
[53:47.360 -> 53:52.060] ahead of them panic and go, Oh my God, no, you know, we can't, we can't now ignore the
[53:52.060 -> 53:55.380] charging red balls on the fast tires behind us.
[53:55.380 -> 53:59.580] And that's kind of, I think if they hadn't have done that, if they hadn't been on a two
[53:59.580 -> 54:04.780] stop, I think more of the teams one stop might've worked because like in Singapore, you get
[54:04.780 -> 54:06.920] everybody slowing down to make sure
[54:06.920 -> 54:07.760] that they do the one stop
[54:07.760 -> 54:09.520] because track position is so important.
[54:09.520 -> 54:11.880] Maybe if Red Bull had gone for a one stop,
[54:11.880 -> 54:14.040] other people wouldn't have been panicking.
[54:14.040 -> 54:16.480] Cause you look at Lewis Hamilton in that window
[54:16.480 -> 54:19.560] between Red Bull and his stop,
[54:19.560 -> 54:21.320] they were looking for a one stop
[54:21.320 -> 54:25.680] and then Hamilton's lap times hung on, hung on, hung on. And then
[54:25.680 -> 54:29.520] they kind of went off a cliff. So you go, you go, yeah, but that wouldn't have been
[54:29.520 -> 54:33.160] an issue if Red Bull was still out. Red Bull would also, their lap times would be going
[54:33.160 -> 54:38.660] out and out and out. So this is what I loved about Red Bull's strategy in the before time.
[54:38.660 -> 54:42.640] It was just this front foot. They're always on the front foot.
[54:42.640 -> 54:43.640] Proactive.
[54:43.640 -> 54:48.720] With strategy. They're proactive. They had a plan and they stuck to it and they caught
[54:48.720 -> 54:50.640] everybody napping on the strategy front.
[54:51.120 -> 54:51.440] Yeah.
[54:52.040 -> 54:52.320] Yeah.
[54:52.360 -> 54:58.360] I, again, I don't know this is the reason why, however, I would like in my mind,
[54:58.400 -> 55:26.280] I'm taking this as a canon and as fact in Verstappen's medium, medium, hard strategy, where he went from medium to medium. Yes. a What? It worked and it was so decided and it also sent a message that we know what we're doing.
[55:26.280 -> 55:28.480] You're dithering over one or two.
[55:28.480 -> 55:31.680] We know exactly what we're doing and you're wrong.
[55:31.680 -> 55:32.680] Yeah.
[55:32.680 -> 55:38.320] Cause uh, looking at it now, Max was the first one to do a medium, medium and then everyone
[55:38.320 -> 55:42.440] else, there's a couple of people that followed him onto the medium and then some people went
[55:42.440 -> 55:46.880] onto the hard, but yeah, I think it just caused a lot of confusion
[55:46.880 -> 55:47.720] down the pit lane, because I think-
[55:47.720 -> 55:50.040] Just another, yeah.
[55:50.040 -> 55:51.720] Yeah, no, I'm down for that.
[55:51.720 -> 55:52.560] So yeah.
[55:52.560 -> 55:54.200] Just another thing to hate about Red Bull,
[55:54.200 -> 55:55.480] brilliant strategy.
[55:55.480 -> 55:58.480] The pit stops drive me mad.
[55:58.480 -> 56:03.480] What is it that lets Red Bull do two second pit stops,
[56:03.540 -> 56:06.480] and then you've got Mercedes regularly doing
[56:06.480 -> 56:07.660] three second plus.
[56:10.840 -> 56:12.120] I was gonna say Mercedes, sorry,
[56:12.120 -> 56:17.120] Red Bull, they've got a very cool pit stop practice set up.
[56:17.520 -> 56:18.360] Where-
[56:18.360 -> 56:19.180] Have they?
[56:19.180 -> 56:23.120] Yeah, so they have a full, basically effective pit lane
[56:23.120 -> 56:26.400] built in the building. And it's not secret.
[56:26.400 -> 56:27.800] You can go look at it on this on Google.
[56:27.800 -> 56:28.300] Have you had a go?
[56:28.300 -> 56:29.400] Do they let you have a go?
[56:29.400 -> 56:29.800] No, no.
[56:29.800 -> 56:31.100] Oh, they don't let you have a go.
[56:31.100 -> 56:34.600] I mean, if I wanted to and I asked probably yeah, but I've seen
[56:34.600 -> 56:36.400] those those guns mate.
[56:36.400 -> 56:38.900] They will just they will break every bone in your wrist.
[56:38.900 -> 56:43.200] And unfortunately as a computer guy, I need my wrists and fingers
[56:43.200 -> 56:44.700] to work to earn a living.
[56:44.700 -> 56:46.960] So. Unfortunately, as a computer guy, I need my wrists and fingers to work to earn a living.
[56:51.680 -> 56:58.960] But yes, they have obviously a full set up, a full gantry, and then they've got an electric car, which they can get someone to sit in and drive it in. And yeah, no, they work very hard.
[56:59.840 -> 57:06.960] So Wolf said, he finally has admitted the pit stops aren't good enough, but he said they've had this approach,
[57:06.960 -> 57:10.320] which they share with high handicap golfers,
[57:10.320 -> 57:13.160] which is they were trying to avoid the blow up pit stops
[57:13.160 -> 57:14.720] where they lose like 10 seconds
[57:14.720 -> 57:17.080] and sort of settling for a three second stop.
[57:17.080 -> 57:18.280] And that's what I do in golf.
[57:18.280 -> 57:21.200] You know, I don't go for the big curl around the tree,
[57:21.200 -> 57:23.720] just punt it back onto the fairway.
[57:23.720 -> 57:24.960] We'll get there eventually.
[57:24.960 -> 57:26.480] I'll settle for my double bogey.
[57:26.760 -> 57:30.760] But to hear, you know, one of the top teams in F1 saying, no, we deliberately
[57:30.760 -> 57:35.760] had this, this cautious avoid the double bogey strategy to pit stops is actually
[57:35.760 -> 57:37.120] quite, you go, Oh, wow.
[57:37.160 -> 57:37.660] Okay.
[57:38.120 -> 57:38.620] Okay.
[57:38.640 -> 57:41.360] I mean, look at what, um, Williams are doing.
[57:41.360 -> 57:42.640] Look at what Red Bull are doing.
[57:42.640 -> 57:45.280] Surely that's got to be the aim.
[57:45.280 -> 57:48.920] You know, the wheels aren't flying everywhere on Red Bull stops.
[57:48.920 -> 57:51.320] In the worst case scenario, it's a little slower.
[57:51.320 -> 57:55.400] And the slow stop for Verstappen was down to the brake issue, I think, at the weekend.
[57:55.400 -> 58:01.400] But it's really rare to see a three and a half second stop for a non-Pérez Red Bull.
[58:01.400 -> 58:06.800] Yeah, I think, is it even Max or Chekkhov, can't remember which one, they came in
[58:06.800 -> 58:12.880] and I saw the pit stop and there was a slight issue with the rear left and I was like oh god
[58:12.880 -> 58:18.080] it's a slow stop. It was still a three second stop but for a Red Bull stop that seemed like eternity
[58:18.800 -> 58:23.120] whereas a lot of the other teams three seconds it's not their worst day at the office.
[58:24.320 -> 58:25.720] So yeah I'm trying to find
[58:25.720 -> 58:28.080] it now but there was some really interesting stats someone put out on
[58:28.080 -> 58:35.200] Twitter earlier where they were talking about how Mercedes pit stops I think
[58:35.200 -> 58:39.320] only like only 5% of them have been under two and a half seconds or something
[58:39.320 -> 58:42.240] mental like that I don't know. So Sabu's coming with a bit of the stats
[58:42.240 -> 58:45.000] here. Yeah here we go. Yeah.
[58:45.000 -> 58:46.000] Here we go.
[58:46.000 -> 58:47.000] Yeah.
[58:47.000 -> 58:49.000] Red Bull, 45% of pit stops are below 2.5.
[58:49.000 -> 58:52.200] Mercedes 2% are under 2.5.
[58:52.200 -> 58:57.480] When you look at the margins of the race on Sunday, you say, well, the pit stops, you
[58:57.480 -> 59:01.800] know, that is well within the realms of if Mercedes pit stops were better, they would
[59:01.800 -> 59:03.480] be able, they would have won that race.
[59:03.480 -> 59:09.600] If they had been more decisive with the strategy, they would have won that race. And then there's a bunch of other on-track stuff.
[59:09.600 -> 59:16.000] So if you happen to be a Lewis Hamilton fan, that is frustrating. And you go, okay, it's fine now,
[59:16.000 -> 59:23.440] this season, but what if there's a title contention year next year or 2025 or even 2026? That's not
[59:23.440 -> 59:30.760] going to be good enough. And now you kind of scroll back to 2021 and cast your mind back to some slow stops there,
[59:30.760 -> 59:37.120] some weird strategy calls back there in the tightest championship we've seen in this decade
[59:37.120 -> 59:38.120] or this century.
[59:38.120 -> 59:40.480] And you go, well, it's a big issue.
[59:40.480 -> 59:41.480] It's an issue.
[59:41.480 -> 59:42.480] Yeah.
[59:42.480 -> 59:45.520] Like where Mercedes purposely sabotaged Lewis Hamilton during
[59:45.520 -> 59:51.520] the Monza race, so he had no choice but to block Max Verstappen into turn one and poor
[59:51.520 -> 59:58.200] innocent Max had no choice but to take avoidant action. And Hamilton, he went and he slid,
[59:58.200 -> 01:00:03.520] he jammed his car underneath Paul Verstappen's car, didn't he there, and then he's headbutting
[01:00:03.520 -> 01:00:05.120] his rear tyre from inside the cockpit. When will he stop? Yeah, he was like, car, didn't he there? And then he's headbutting his rear tyre from inside the
[01:00:05.120 -> 01:00:06.720] cockpit. When will he stop?
[01:00:06.720 -> 01:00:10.200] Yeah, he was like, oh, don't worry, I'll get pictures of their floor for you. Don't worry.
[01:00:10.200 -> 01:00:11.200] Wham.
[01:00:11.200 -> 01:00:12.200] Triggered.
[01:00:12.200 -> 01:00:17.800] Oh, Jesus. Bloody hell. But that's the standard of driving you get from people from Stevenage,
[01:00:17.800 -> 01:00:19.800] mate. You know, I can attest to that.
[01:00:19.800 -> 01:00:25.600] I've worked in Stevenage for eight years and I can't disagree. Yep, exactly. Exactly.
[01:00:25.600 -> 01:00:26.600] So yeah, right.
[01:00:26.600 -> 01:00:35.800] Well, now we've upset all of Team LH once again, it's time for the Good Boy Award.
[01:00:35.800 -> 01:00:40.640] Can you give me something for the Good Boy Award?
[01:00:40.640 -> 01:00:44.960] I am going to give the Good Boy Award then to, can I give it, does it have to be a person?
[01:00:44.960 -> 01:00:46.880] No, it could be any, same rules, anything.
[01:00:46.880 -> 01:00:52.200] It can be an ethereal concept if it wants to be. I just go back to the layout of Cota,
[01:00:52.200 -> 01:00:56.520] I absolutely love it. I think. Yeah, just the whole circuit. I know people don't like
[01:00:56.520 -> 01:01:01.760] the Americanisms. Some people get a bit upset about the, in the red corner, it's Fernando
[01:01:01.760 -> 01:01:05.960] Rolando. I love all that. I love the fireworks that nearly took
[01:01:05.960 -> 01:01:13.040] out the helicopter camera. It was so close. It was so close. Like, do you know, like I
[01:01:13.040 -> 01:01:17.320] hate helicopters and I've been in many helicopters, unfortunately. And every single time I've
[01:01:17.320 -> 01:01:23.600] just assumed I will probably die in this helicopter. It's the most fragile aircraft you could imagine.
[01:01:23.600 -> 01:01:29.620] And they were firing pirate techniques. Those spinny blade things, that's all that keeps them in the air. There's no
[01:01:29.620 -> 01:01:34.540] secret magic. So yeah, that was that was close. But yeah, I love I love the fact that they
[01:01:34.540 -> 01:01:38.960] just go all out. I like the fact that there's concerts there. I like the fact that they
[01:01:38.960 -> 01:01:46.960] went for just this big circuit emulating some of the best stuff from around the world. Turn one is probably one of the
[01:01:46.960 -> 01:01:52.960] most interesting racing corners on the F1 calendar and there's a few of those there's a few of those
[01:01:52.960 -> 01:01:59.600] error generators that invite a lunge and yeah I just I love the track I think they they get it
[01:01:59.600 -> 01:02:06.400] they get the show they get the the fundamentals of racing and bring some more support series there as well.
[01:02:07.280 -> 01:02:12.000] It's a shame that we're not seeing as much F2 and as much F3, but really make that a festival of
[01:02:12.000 -> 01:02:16.640] motorsport. And I would love them to build another Kota. I'm not looking forward to
[01:02:16.640 -> 01:02:22.800] Vegas and Miami has not found a place in my heart at the moment. So yeah, big up for Kota,
[01:02:22.800 -> 01:02:25.300] really flying the flag for racing
[01:02:25.300 -> 01:02:26.300] in the United States.
[01:02:26.300 -> 01:02:29.920] Mason Vale Yeah, and also flying the flag for when you
[01:02:29.920 -> 01:02:32.720] build something, make sure you build it correctly so you don't get some silence.
[01:02:32.720 -> 01:02:34.240] Jason Vale Yeah, don't build it on a swamp. That was
[01:02:34.240 -> 01:02:37.880] a mistake. They shouldn't have built it on a swamp. But apart from building it on a swamp,
[01:02:37.880 -> 01:02:40.360] they did very, very well. I like Kota. Go Kota.
[01:02:40.360 -> 01:02:43.240] Mason Vale Yeah. Yes. And someone also reminding us in
[01:02:43.240 -> 01:02:45.360] the chat that they had F1 Academy there this
[01:02:45.360 -> 01:02:49.800] weekend. Yes. Shamefully, I have to admit, I didn't actually see any of it. I caught
[01:02:49.800 -> 01:02:56.600] some of the practice session and you know, like the, the, the, the risk is that those
[01:02:56.600 -> 01:03:01.800] cars look very small, small and slow around a big track. And that's why Formula E isn't
[01:03:01.800 -> 01:03:10.880] going off and doing, you know, Brands Hatch or Silverstone. So actually they didn't look bad around that track, they looked like pretty meaty cars and
[01:03:10.880 -> 01:03:16.320] I think it's a step down in power from W Series but like when you see W Series in person you think
[01:03:16.320 -> 01:03:21.200] oh those cars look small, maybe they're underpowered. You see it in person and those cars look
[01:03:21.200 -> 01:03:28.400] meaty, they're proper race cars and it looked like the drivers were challenged coming to the track limits.
[01:03:28.400 -> 01:03:33.080] I didn't catch the race, but by all reports, there was some good racing there as well.
[01:03:33.080 -> 01:03:37.360] It's a little unfair, I think, that they have Garcia there, who as soon as she was announced
[01:03:37.360 -> 01:03:41.640] to be there, she was a shoo-in to go on and win that championship.
[01:03:41.640 -> 01:03:44.380] She'd had all that experience in W Series as well.
[01:03:44.380 -> 01:03:45.960] But it looks like it's all gone well.
[01:03:45.960 -> 01:03:48.480] So I was kind of hoping it wouldn't be televised
[01:03:48.480 -> 01:03:52.000] this season because I wanted them to just have a chance
[01:03:52.000 -> 01:03:53.200] to get on with it.
[01:03:53.200 -> 01:03:55.960] And just, yeah, find the feet for the series
[01:03:55.960 -> 01:03:57.200] to make sure they've ironed out anything
[01:03:57.200 -> 01:03:58.360] that would make them look like a joke
[01:03:58.360 -> 01:04:00.440] and just give, you know, chauvinist bigots
[01:04:00.440 -> 01:04:01.760] the chance to jump up and down and go,
[01:04:01.760 -> 01:04:04.840] oh, see, and say the things they say.
[01:04:04.840 -> 01:04:09.160] You know, you only have to look at when Jess Hawkins did the, the test laps in the Aston
[01:04:09.160 -> 01:04:14.000] Martin. Yeah. Everyone's desperate to try and shoot her down. And, uh, and then you
[01:04:14.000 -> 01:04:17.640] look at like the young driver tests has been like three or four, there's been Behrman,
[01:04:17.640 -> 01:04:22.320] there's been a few, you just don't see that same level of comment. So I feel like if you're
[01:04:22.320 -> 01:04:28.280] going to create this, uh, create this breeding ground for women in single
[01:04:28.280 -> 01:04:33.960] seater racing I would love to see media pressure just taken away but it doesn't look like they're
[01:04:33.960 -> 01:04:39.000] going that way so by all accounts it looked good, the racing was good and good luck for
[01:04:39.000 -> 01:04:40.000] next season.
[01:04:40.000 -> 01:04:46.120] Yeah anyone that can beat me in a karton race is all right in my book, which basically means everyone to be fair. So
[01:04:48.120 -> 01:04:49.640] So yeah, good luck to them. Oh
[01:04:53.360 -> 01:04:54.200] Why you promo all my stuff so everyone knows where to follow me and I
[01:04:57.920 -> 01:04:58.680] Can first have you yeah, I think give you my good thing yet
[01:05:04.040 -> 01:05:08.280] What's my yeah, fuck it. I'm going for it. I'm going all patriotic for a country I've got no part in. Uh, I'm going, my good thing is Logan Sargent shit housing a point from the
[01:05:08.280 -> 01:05:10.240] disqualifications of Charles and Hamilton.
[01:05:10.800 -> 01:05:11.800] Stealing a living.
[01:05:11.840 -> 01:05:12.040] Yeah.
[01:05:12.040 -> 01:05:14.520] Stealing a living like I did in F1.
[01:05:14.560 -> 01:05:15.760] Now it's Logan's turn.
[01:05:15.960 -> 01:05:16.840] Good on your son.
[01:05:17.640 -> 01:05:17.960] Yeah.
[01:05:18.040 -> 01:05:19.240] I think it's a kilometer.
[01:05:20.120 -> 01:05:20.800] You've done.
[01:05:20.840 -> 01:05:21.880] I keep seeing that everywhere.
[01:05:21.920 -> 01:05:23.160] You've got, you've got to go.
[01:05:23.200 -> 01:05:23.800] Well, okay.
[01:05:23.800 -> 01:05:27.080] You're allowed your happy day, but I'm going to stick with
[01:05:27.080 -> 01:05:32.680] he did the absolute minimum required and the fact that that is being celebrated a lot is
[01:05:32.680 -> 01:05:34.000] actually quite damning.
[01:05:34.000 -> 01:05:37.760] Yeah, he did the bare minimum and it paid off for him, Spanners.
[01:05:37.760 -> 01:05:41.040] He's the hero to many slacker out there in the world.
[01:05:41.040 -> 01:05:43.960] Yeah, he's been quiet quitting since the beginning.
[01:05:43.960 -> 01:05:45.200] Is that what you're saying?
[01:05:45.200 -> 01:05:51.760] Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. So show me consistently being up with Albon and I'll give him his
[01:05:51.760 -> 01:05:59.960] props but I don't begrudge a one point party. Okay, okay, fair enough. Right, so yeah, I
[01:05:59.960 -> 01:06:06.160] think that's pretty much it now. So this is the bit where you get to plug your shitty show. Yes, missed Apex podcast,
[01:06:06.160 -> 01:06:10.020] where we have a panel of varying competence
[01:06:10.020 -> 01:06:13.320] yelling things about F1 so soon after the race
[01:06:13.320 -> 01:06:15.120] that there's a very low probability
[01:06:15.120 -> 01:06:16.760] that any of them are right,
[01:06:16.760 -> 01:06:18.960] but we do strive to be the first podcast
[01:06:18.960 -> 01:06:20.000] released out the door.
[01:06:20.000 -> 01:06:23.000] And in fact, hey Dan, this is quite funny.
[01:06:23.000 -> 01:06:25.960] Because the race ended at what, 11, you know, quite late.
[01:06:25.960 -> 01:06:28.400] I was going to say, you were so early.
[01:06:28.400 -> 01:06:31.360] We then recorded our show at 1130
[01:06:31.360 -> 01:06:33.620] and I had it out by 2 a.m.
[01:06:33.620 -> 01:06:36.160] But we're actually, I think the second highest podcast
[01:06:36.160 -> 01:06:37.400] in the US charts at the moment.
[01:06:37.400 -> 01:06:39.040] Oh, right, oh, right.
[01:06:39.040 -> 01:06:41.320] This was on Monday, just because no one else
[01:06:41.320 -> 01:06:43.400] had bothered recording really late at night
[01:06:43.400 -> 01:06:44.720] and they hadn't woken up yet.
[01:06:44.720 -> 01:06:49.280] So we had this brief moment of glory, but we do try and get the race reviews out nice and quick.
[01:06:49.280 -> 01:06:56.480] So it's a quick place as long as you don't mind inaccuracy and a lack of post-race information
[01:06:57.120 -> 01:07:01.200] as a baked in part of the show, you might want to come and hang out with us on a Sunday night.
[01:07:01.200 -> 01:07:09.120] Yeah, you were so early this week that you found out Lewis got disqualified halfway through your show. Live on the stream and I did not hide my emotions well.
[01:07:10.240 -> 01:07:16.240] I was so, I was so disappointed and uh yeah people are reveling in that they're like yeah cry more,
[01:07:16.240 -> 01:07:21.440] yeah cry more. Yeah I was, I couldn't, I cried all my tears, I cried them all out because that's
[01:07:21.440 -> 01:07:26.280] sport and I care. That is why you slack off until Tuesday like we do sometimes.
[01:07:26.280 -> 01:07:27.960] And then you got the full picture.
[01:07:27.960 -> 01:07:28.800] Your live chat just said,
[01:07:28.800 -> 01:07:30.280] Spanners, we're here listening to this.
[01:07:30.280 -> 01:07:32.320] Do you really think we want accurate info?
[01:07:32.320 -> 01:07:34.160] Good point, good point, good point.
[01:07:34.160 -> 01:07:36.120] And hello live chat, it's been lovely hanging with you.
[01:07:36.120 -> 01:07:37.480] Yeah, no, Blake is the one that's got
[01:07:37.480 -> 01:07:38.880] all the sort of relevant info.
[01:07:38.880 -> 01:07:41.120] I just sort of stumble my way through it,
[01:07:41.120 -> 01:07:43.900] swear a little bit, make a reference to Traeger Grills
[01:07:43.900 -> 01:07:45.640] in the hope they'll sponsor us one day.
[01:07:45.640 -> 01:07:51.640] And this has been, I have to say, you have a different podcast style and a different
[01:07:51.640 -> 01:07:57.280] presenting style to any other F1 host and any other F1 pod.
[01:07:57.280 -> 01:08:01.760] The vibe has been disarmingly relaxed.
[01:08:01.760 -> 01:08:07.760] I think you're a wonderful, kind human being. I've loved knowing you over the last four or five years,
[01:08:07.920 -> 01:08:11.880] and I hope you keep at it and you keep this podcast going
[01:08:12.000 -> 01:08:14.440] because I love seeing you do F1 content.
[01:08:14.600 -> 01:08:16.160] Yeah. You hear that, Blake?
[01:08:16.160 -> 01:08:18.000] Fuck off. We don't need you.
[01:08:18.000 -> 01:08:20.400] You can stay in immigration.
[01:08:20.400 -> 01:08:22.000] Yeah. Oh, is that? Are they not letting him back in?
[01:08:22.120 -> 01:08:25.000] No, I think he missed his connecting flight. I think. I think. Double check his passport, I think. Just to, yeah, no, no, I think he missed his connecting flight.
[01:08:25.000 -> 01:08:28.680] I think I think check double check his passport. I think just yeah
[01:08:29.960 -> 01:08:33.740] Yeah, he's been caught smuggling sandwiches back for catering
[01:08:36.320 -> 01:08:43.240] Right, that's it that's the end of the show you can all piss off now follow me Spanners ready on Twitter if you want as well
[01:08:39.550 -> 01:08:43.550] Follow me, SpannersReady, on Twitter if you want, as well.