Podcast: EngineBraking
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Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:36:07 GMT
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1:24:22
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This week, on the worlds worst F1 Podcast, we make up for lost time by cramming in a mashup of Singapore and Japan into this fun filled episode.
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* **Singapore Grand Prix:**
* Red Bull's performance was surprisingly poor, possibly due to technical directives.
* Stroll had a difficult race, crashing on Sunday due to car issues and feeling unwell.
* Leclerc's car experienced problems towards the end of the race, causing him to fall back in the standings.
* Mercedes attempted a double push strategy, with Hamilton performing better than Russell.
* Sergio Perez collided with Alex Albon, affecting Albon's race.
* **Japanese Grand Prix Practice:**
* Pirelli introduced new prototype C2 tires with no sidewall markings for testing.
* Verstappen tested the new tires during practice.
* Pirelli released a statement indicating that the tires may not meet the desired grip improvement.
* Drivers aggressively rode the curbs, particularly at Turn 9, known as the Degner curve.
* **News and Developments:**
* Oscar Piastri's contract with McLaren has been extended to the end of 2026.
* Yuki Tsunoda and Daniel Ricciardo's contracts with Alpha Tauri have been renewed for one year each.
* Liam Lawson remains a test and reserve driver for Alpha Tauri and Red Bull, with a potential 2025 seat.
* The FIA admitted mistakes in stewarding decisions during the Singapore Grand Prix, leading to inconsistent penalties.
* Lewis Hamilton suggested using AI to interpret stewarding rules, but there are concerns about its ability to differentiate intent and emotion.
* The FIA and FOM are set to approve Andretti Cadillac's entry into Formula One, subject to further evaluation.
* The W Series, a women's racing series, is up for sale, with a bid deadline of October 12th.
* F1 Academy, a new initiative to promote young female drivers, has yet to gain significant momentum. # Summary of the "World's Worst F1 Podcast" Episode on the Singapore and Japan Grand Prix
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## Key Points:
- The hosts, Paul and Dan, begin by discussing the Singapore Grand Prix, where Logan Sargeant had a spectacular crash in qualifying, leading to a lengthy red flag period.
- They then move on to the Japanese Grand Prix, praising the Suzuka circuit and its unique atmosphere.
- The trackside toilet review segment is back, with Paul giving Suzuka's heated toilets a 10 out of 10 rating.
- The hosts debate the Red Bull driver selection dilemma, with Max Verstappen's dominance and Sergio Perez's inconsistent performances being key factors.
- They also discuss the confusion surrounding the "third car" rule, which led to Williams receiving a penalty for starting from the pit lane.
- The legality of "unre-retiring" a car is brought up, with Red Bull successfully arguing that they could send Perez back out to serve a penalty after initially retiring the car.
- The hosts analyze the qualifying results, highlighting the strong performances of McLaren and Ferrari, as well as Verstappen's impressive margin over the rest of the field.
- They discuss the strategic considerations for the race, with a focus on the tire choices and the potential for a two-stop strategy.
- The race start is described as chaotic, with several incidents and Perez receiving a five-second penalty for an infringement during the safety car period.
- The hosts comment on the numerous penalties and incidents during the race, including Perez's second five-second penalty for a collision with Kevin Magnussen.
- They also mention George Russell's aggressive driving and his heated exchange with Lewis Hamilton over team orders.
- The bizarre incident of Perez's 43-minute pit stop and subsequent unretirement is discussed, with the hosts speculating on the team's motivations for this unusual decision.
- The episode concludes with a brief mention of the longest pit stops in Formula One history.
## Overall Message:
The Japanese Grand Prix was a thrilling and unpredictable race, marked by numerous incidents, penalties, and strategic battles. The hosts provide insightful commentary and analysis, highlighting the key moments and controversies of the race weekend. **Summary of the Podcast Episode Transcript:**
The podcast episode covers the Singapore and Japan Grand Prix races, discussing various aspects of the events, including trackside toilet reviews, Red Bull's driver selection dilemma, and the controversial un-retirement of drivers.
**Key Points:**
- The hosts express excitement for making up for lost time by cramming in both races into one episode.
- They discuss the return of trackside toilet reviews, a recurring segment where they evaluate the quality of restrooms at different circuits.
- The podcast delves into the predicament faced by Red Bull in selecting their second driver alongside Max Verstappen, highlighting the strong performances of Sergio Perez and Daniel Ricciardo.
- The hosts lament the loss of audio files for the Singapore race, hindering their ability to provide detailed analysis.
- They raise the question of whether a third car can be considered a true third car, sparking a debate about the definition and regulations surrounding additional entries.
- The concept of "un-retiring" oneself from Formula One is explored, considering the implications and challenges associated with such a decision.
- The episode is sponsored by NordVPN, and listeners are encouraged to visit the company's website for exclusive offers.
- The hosts highlight notable moments from the Singapore race, including McLaren's double podium finish, Piastri's struggles, and strategic decisions made by different teams.
- They analyze the strategies employed by Mercedes, focusing on the contrasting approaches of George Russell and Lewis Hamilton, and the impact of safety cars on their respective races.
- The discussion shifts to Ferrari's strategy, particularly the use of DRS to defend against Norris and Hamilton, and the potential advantages and drawbacks of this tactic.
- The hosts debate the merits of letting Hamilton through to challenge Russell for the lead, considering the risks and potential rewards involved.
- They emphasize the importance of maximizing results in the Constructors' Championship, especially with the limited opportunities remaining in the season.
- The episode touches upon the issue of excessive team orders during the races, questioning whether drivers should be allowed to overtake each other more freely.
- The hosts acknowledge the entertainment value of such conflicts and admit to enjoying the drama and controversy that often arise from these situations.
- They discuss the various DNFs (Did Not Finish) that occurred during the Singapore and Japan races, including incidents involving Valtteri Bottas, Sergio Perez, Lance Stroll, Logan Sargeant, and Fernando Alonso.
- The hosts express sympathy for Williams, who suffered a double DNF in Japan, recalling similar experiences from their time in Formula One.
- They introduce a new segment called "Fraud Watch," where they nominate individuals or entities for questionable or controversial actions during the races.
- Sergio Perez is unanimously placed on Fraud Watch for his incidents in both Singapore and Japan.
- The FIA (Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile) is also put on Fraud Watch for their officiating in Singapore, while Gasly is nominated for his angry reaction towards Ocon in Japan.
- The hosts introduce a new segment called "Good Boy," where they recognize individuals who have performed exceptionally well or demonstrated positive qualities.
- Oscar Piastri and Lawson are selected as Good Boys for their performances in Singapore and Japan, respectively.
- Carlos Sainz Jr. is nominated as a Good Boy for his impressive radio message during the Singapore race.
- Norris and Piastri are praised for their flawless performances in Japan.
- The hosts express disappointment in Piastri's pace in Japan, acknowledging that there may have been factors beyond his control.
- They discuss the potential impact of different downforce levels on Piastri's performance compared to his teammate, Lando Norris.
- The episode concludes with a discussion of track evolution, explaining how the track surface improves and drivers build confidence over the course of qualifying sessions.
- The hosts answer user questions, including inquiries about Liam Lawson's data compared to Yuki Tsunoda's, beginner triggers for racing simulators, and the best beginner Traeger grill.
- They acknowledge the importance of single-car qualifying as a potential solution to the impeding problem in qualifying, but express uncertainty about its feasibility and potential consequences.
**Overall Message:**
The podcast provides an entertaining and informative analysis of the Singapore and Japan Grand Prix races, covering various aspects such as team strategies, driver performances, controversial incidents, and fan interactions. The hosts engage in lively discussions, sharing their insights and perspectives on the events that unfolded during the races. **Episode Overview:**
This episode of the podcast covers a range of topics related to Formula One racing, including:
1. **Trackside Toilet Reviews:** The hosts discuss their experiences using the toilets at various Formula One tracks.
2. **Red Bull Driver Selection Dilemma:** The hosts speculate on the possibility of Red Bull replacing Sergio Perez with another driver in the future.
3. **Dan's Lost Audio Files:** The hosts apologize for their recent inconsistent release schedule, attributing it to Dan losing the audio files for several episodes.
4. **When is a Third Car, Not a Third Car?:** The hosts debate whether or not a team can field a third car in a race, and under what circumstances.
5. **Can We Un-Retire Ourselves?:** The hosts discuss the possibility of a retired driver returning to Formula One.
**Key Insights and Perspectives:**
* The hosts express their frustration with the FIA's handling of recent controversies in Formula One, calling for the organization to improve its decision-making and consistency.
* The hosts believe that Sergio Perez has a clause in his contract that prevents Red Bull from demoting him to their Alpha Tauri team.
* The hosts speculate that Liam Lawson could be a potential replacement for Sergio Perez at Red Bull in the future, but they acknowledge that it would be a risky move for the team.
* The hosts discuss the pros and cons of introducing a random draw format for qualifying, with some expressing support for the idea and others raising concerns about its potential impact on the fairness of the sport.
* The hosts agree that the current sprint qualifying format is not working well and suggest that it should be modified or replaced.
**Controversies and Insightful Moments:**
* The hosts criticize the FIA's handling of the recent Japanese Grand Prix, particularly the decision to award full points despite the race being shortened due to heavy rain.
* The hosts debate the merits of introducing a random draw format for qualifying, with some expressing support for the idea and others raising concerns about its potential impact on the fairness of the sport.
**Overall Message:**
The overall message of the episode is that Formula One is a sport that is constantly evolving and facing new challenges. The hosts provide their unique perspectives on these issues and offer their opinions on how the sport can improve in the future.
[00:00.000 -> 00:08.640] You're listening to the most fraudulent F1 podcast with Dan, aka Engine Mode 11.
[00:08.640 -> 00:12.120] I secretly moonlight as Helmut Marko at race weekends.
[00:12.120 -> 00:14.160] And Blake, aka Brake.
[00:14.160 -> 00:17.280] Echo chambers of farts and idiots on Twitter after races.
[00:17.280 -> 00:31.480] It's the engine breaking F1 podcast. One soire to all my friends out there that speak the French language.
[00:31.480 -> 00:35.960] It has nothing to do with the Singapore or Japanese Grand Prix's, but I just wanted to
[00:35.960 -> 00:37.560] show off how multilingual I am.
[00:37.560 -> 00:39.240] Are you impressed by that?
[00:39.240 -> 00:42.160] Well, I am, how do you say enchanted?
[00:42.160 -> 00:43.160] Oh yeah, enchanté.
[00:43.160 -> 00:44.160] Oui.
[00:44.160 -> 00:46.360] Daniel Ricciardo's favourite. Enchant yeah, enchanté. Oui, Daniel Ricciardo's favorite.
[00:46.360 -> 00:47.680] Enchanté, enchanté.
[00:47.680 -> 00:51.560] Hello, sorry, this is the Engine Breaking podcast.
[00:51.560 -> 00:52.600] I'm Dan, a.k.a.
[00:52.600 -> 00:53.880] Engine Mode 11.
[00:53.880 -> 00:58.200] With me is my glamorous American assistant, Brake, a.k.a.
[00:58.200 -> 00:59.080] Blake.
[00:59.080 -> 01:03.560] And we are two people that stole a living as F1 engineers
[01:03.560 -> 01:07.040] for a while, and then we thought we'd make this really shit tier podcast.
[01:07.040 -> 01:08.160] So thanks for joining us.
[01:08.160 -> 01:09.440] New listeners, old listeners.
[01:10.560 -> 01:12.320] Mike, Kat, also Barry has just talked.
[01:12.320 -> 01:14.880] And if you're listening on audio, you can't see that Mike.
[01:14.880 -> 01:18.720] Gorgeous Kat, Barry also agrees that this podcast is washed.
[01:18.720 -> 01:20.480] But here we are.
[01:20.480 -> 01:23.040] After a little hiatus last week, we had some...
[01:23.920 -> 01:26.480] I disappeared for a week and Dan just
[01:26.480 -> 01:31.120] said you know what forget you guys I was in Glacier National Park for my dad's birthday
[01:31.120 -> 01:36.080] and that is actually an amazing part of the world I would love to go back there if you
[01:36.080 -> 01:37.640] haven't been send it.
[01:37.640 -> 01:45.120] Yeah so obviously I was supposed to do a podcast last week with Spanners as a stand in for you while you were on holiday.
[01:45.120 -> 01:50.960] However, in true fraudulent fashion, I forgot to check I had all the audio files
[01:50.960 -> 01:54.720] for the podcast before you went on holiday and then I just messaged you at
[01:54.720 -> 01:58.560] like an hour before I was going to record saying, Blake I don't suppose all
[01:58.560 -> 02:02.560] of our audio files are on the cloud are they? And you were like, no, none of that was that.
[02:02.560 -> 02:08.440] Yeah, that's not particularly professional of me or us, but anyway.
[02:08.440 -> 02:11.120] We're going to get Spanners back on.
[02:11.120 -> 02:12.120] He's going to come back on.
[02:12.120 -> 02:13.120] We're going to.
[02:13.120 -> 02:14.120] We're going to arrange something so don't panic.
[02:14.120 -> 02:15.760] Should we do it next week?
[02:15.760 -> 02:19.320] I'm gone this week and I'll elaborate more about why I'm gone this weekend, but maybe
[02:19.320 -> 02:21.960] like a midweek next week, a Qatar preview.
[02:21.960 -> 02:26.440] Yeah, we haven't done a preview episode in a while.
[02:26.800 -> 02:26.840] Yes.
[02:29.320 -> 02:29.440] Sorry, I was doing a very British thing there and sipping on a cup of tea.
[02:32.160 -> 02:33.040] Um, yes, I will try and get that sorted out.
[02:35.160 -> 02:35.800] Are you fine off for yet another week?
[02:39.200 -> 02:42.720] I'll tell you about that in a minute, but if you're, if you're new to the podcast or if you're a frequent listener and you want to know, what are you guys going to talk
[02:42.720 -> 02:43.120] about today?
[02:43.120 -> 02:46.440] Well, we're going to, there's a little bit happening in the news in the world of Formula One.
[02:46.740 -> 02:50.600] We're going to do a quick Singapore recap and obviously,
[02:50.900 -> 02:53.540] obviously the the detailed the usual
[02:54.640 -> 02:56.480] Japanese Grand Prix weekend review.
[02:56.480 -> 02:58.620] Our race just passed and we'll get into Fraud Watch
[02:58.620 -> 02:59.880] in the engine mode.
[02:59.880 -> 03:06.660] Good boy awards for this weekend, but with some very exciting Formula One news.
[03:06.660 -> 03:11.540] And honestly, I'm looking through this and most of this stuff, barring one
[03:11.540 -> 03:13.340] example, is good for the sport.
[03:13.820 -> 03:14.320] What we got?
[03:15.100 -> 03:15.540] Yeah.
[03:15.580 -> 03:17.660] So, uh, let's hit that news.
[03:17.700 -> 03:20.740] I don't have a flashy bumper for this, but just pretend I do.
[03:20.860 -> 03:21.340] Duh, duh, duh.
[03:21.340 -> 03:21.860] News.
[03:21.900 -> 03:22.420] F1 news.
[03:22.420 -> 03:23.280] We need to make one of those.
[03:23.300 -> 03:23.580] Yeah.
[03:23.860 -> 03:24.140] Yeah.
[03:24.180 -> 03:25.000] Can we just steal the BBC one? Is that, will we DMCA for that? I do. News. F1 news. We need to make one of those. Yeah.
[03:25.000 -> 03:26.000] Yeah.
[03:26.000 -> 03:27.000] Can we just steal the BBC one?
[03:27.000 -> 03:28.000] Is that?
[03:28.000 -> 03:29.000] We'll leave DMCA for that?
[03:29.000 -> 03:30.000] I'll pay my TV license.
[03:30.000 -> 03:31.000] Fuck them.
[03:31.000 -> 03:32.000] I'm entitled to use it.
[03:32.000 -> 03:34.400] So, first news item.
[03:34.400 -> 03:36.800] Oscar Piastri is here to stay, ladies and gentlemen.
[03:36.800 -> 03:41.680] Yes, this is the news that McLaren has extended Oscar Piastri's contract through to the end
[03:41.680 -> 03:42.680] of 2026.
[03:42.680 -> 03:45.760] Well deserved, I say.
[03:48.320 -> 03:48.400] Uh, honestly, send it.
[03:52.580 -> 03:58.680] I'm he's, he's one of the most exciting parts of the season, honestly, is Oscar Piastri in a now competitive McLaren, long live McLaren, I say.
[03:59.400 -> 03:59.600] Yeah.
[03:59.600 -> 04:00.520] Long may they reign.
[04:00.560 -> 04:04.280] Apparently he was initially, uh, contracted up until the end of 2024.
[04:05.080 -> 04:09.720] Uh, I wonder if, I imagine it's based on his good performance, but I also wonder if
[04:09.720 -> 04:13.240] they were perhaps tempted into giving him a longer contract because perhaps somebody
[04:13.240 -> 04:15.760] may have been sniffing around him, perhaps.
[04:16.720 -> 04:20.600] Did you see the memes of Christian on the podium leaning over?
[04:20.600 -> 04:23.720] He's like, Hey, Hey, come drive a red bull.
[04:23.760 -> 04:24.120] Yeah.
[04:24.160 -> 04:24.440] Yeah.
[04:24.440 -> 04:25.520] Do you want to see? You want to see?
[04:25.920 -> 04:30.520] And yeah, but that means he's going to be there a year longer because Lando
[04:30.520 -> 04:33.200] Norris's contract expires at the end of 2025.
[04:33.440 -> 04:36.480] So I have to wait and see what happens there.
[04:36.480 -> 04:39.240] But yeah, I think a very strong pairing.
[04:39.400 -> 04:41.000] So keep an eye on next year.
[04:41.840 -> 04:42.360] It's good.
[04:42.400 -> 04:43.360] It's super good.
[04:43.960 -> 04:47.200] Um, more. Well, I don't know, it depends on
[04:47.200 -> 04:51.840] your point of view, but this next point may be good news for everybody, or maybe not.
[04:53.280 -> 04:59.040] Yeah, so speaking of driver contracts, Alpha Tauri, they decided to announce Daniel and Yuki
[04:59.040 -> 05:09.160] for 2024, both getting one-year contract extensions. Here's where it gets spicy because apparently Red Bull were not exactly keen to renew Yuki's
[05:09.160 -> 05:10.160] deal.
[05:10.160 -> 05:15.160] But in the background, Honda were a little bit like, no, you're going to take Yuki.
[05:15.160 -> 05:18.920] Yeah, but like it's, it's, we come back to this again, right?
[05:18.920 -> 05:20.800] And here's two points.
[05:20.800 -> 05:23.600] A one year contract deal.
[05:23.600 -> 05:28.080] That's not like it like projects confidence in said decision.
[05:28.080 -> 05:34.480] That's like when you're, I don't know, like dating around and you got a couple on speed
[05:34.480 -> 05:42.760] dial at a time, you know, one year contract in F1 terms, that's not a whole lot of, yeah,
[05:42.760 -> 05:44.520] that's basically play in the field that one.
[05:44.520 -> 05:45.800] It is, but this night I think
[05:45.800 -> 05:49.640] we spoke about numerous times and I'm going to keep talking some blue in the face about
[05:49.640 -> 05:54.160] it, but I'm convinced you keys just going to go to Aston Martin when they get their
[05:54.160 -> 06:00.480] Honda deal, which I think is due for 2025. I think so. It would make sense. And pre 26
[06:00.480 -> 06:06.240] they'll be running Honda. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they will. Really? I've said it, so it's going to be fact.
[06:06.240 -> 06:08.600] If I'm wrong, don't correct me.
[06:08.600 -> 06:09.600] Yeah, exactly.
[06:09.600 -> 06:15.960] We'll just bury it under the rug like all the other stuff we say wrong on this podcast.
[06:15.960 -> 06:23.800] Danny Rick, I think I understand putting him on a one year only because I'm so perplexed
[06:23.800 -> 06:26.000] with this whole Danny Rick situation.
[06:26.000 -> 06:31.000] What is the end goal for having Danny Rick in this team?
[06:31.000 -> 06:37.000] Especially when you've got Lawson on the side, who's putting in as good a performance as he has,
[06:37.000 -> 06:41.000] and you go, no actually we'll keep Danny Rick.
[06:41.000 -> 06:46.080] I don't know, I think it's got to be something else that wouldn't make sense if you're just
[06:46.080 -> 06:47.680] looking at it from a sporting aspect.
[06:47.680 -> 06:52.200] Are you trying to suggest the Netflix money in the merchandise sales?
[06:52.200 -> 06:58.680] I'm trying to say that Daniel is not only a strong driver, but he's got lots of other
[06:58.680 -> 07:12.120] very marketable assets that make it very interesting. And I know I hate to spoil it for everybody listening to this and you think Formula One is a sport. Formula One is first an entertainment show.
[07:12.120 -> 07:15.720] It's hardly a sport. It's a sport, but not, you know?
[07:15.720 -> 07:21.200] Yeah, okay. Money is telling me that Honda is 2026 for Aston. I told you don't correct
[07:21.200 -> 07:26.920] me chat. And if you're listening, if you listen to this on audio, you'll, you'll certainly realize
[07:26.920 -> 07:31.240] that we do these recordings live over on YouTube and we don't, we don't read your comments
[07:31.240 -> 07:32.240] too much.
[07:32.240 -> 07:33.240] Actually, I'm reading the entire time.
[07:33.240 -> 07:35.420] That's why I'm so ADHD during these podcasts.
[07:35.420 -> 07:39.440] But yeah, definitely don't come over to YouTube on engine breaking and come hang out when
[07:39.440 -> 07:43.640] we record these pretty much every Monday at 7pm UK time.
[07:43.640 -> 07:44.640] That's it.
[07:44.640 -> 07:46.800] That's it. Add not add. It's okay. We can UK time. That's it. That's it. Not an ad.
[07:46.800 -> 07:49.280] It's okay, we can advertise ourselves, that's fine.
[07:51.040 -> 07:55.840] So yeah, sorry, Liam Lawson sits out for another year as a test and reserve driver
[07:55.840 -> 08:00.640] for Alpha Tauri and Red Bull. Apparently he's got a promise though of a 2025 seat.
[08:02.400 -> 08:05.800] Okay, let's talk about that. The Liam situation.
[08:05.800 -> 08:11.120] Liam, so far on his debut in F1, been outstanding.
[08:11.120 -> 08:15.640] His initial trial was probably one of the most chaotic weekends you could have had as
[08:15.640 -> 08:24.460] a rookie driver coming in at very late notice after Daniel boshes his hand up in Zandvoort.
[08:24.460 -> 08:26.240] You get a couple sessions and all you've got to do
[08:26.240 -> 08:27.440] is keep it out of the walls.
[08:27.440 -> 08:31.280] And honestly, we've got a couple of very seasoned drivers
[08:31.280 -> 08:33.880] struggling to keep from terrorizing people
[08:33.880 -> 08:34.720] and crash shit out.
[08:34.720 -> 08:37.640] And Lawson's done an awesome job.
[08:37.640 -> 08:40.380] And I will say that Sunoda also,
[08:42.240 -> 08:44.800] it's hard to make a statement in the Alpha Tower.
[08:48.380 -> 08:52.680] It's just, it a statement in the Alpha Tauri. It's just it's one of the it's one of the worst cars on the grid right now. That's not shade. That is literally an objective
[08:52.680 -> 08:57.280] fact in terms of performance. They've brought nothing to it all season. It's really hard
[08:57.280 -> 09:09.500] to be impressive in that car. Yeah, so it's a tough situation. Um, yeah, we'll come back to this next point, but anyway,
[09:11.700 -> 09:13.660] Hey, let's, let's lead into the next one.
[09:13.920 -> 09:19.220] Let's a more, if there wasn't a more powerful duo other than break
[09:19.220 -> 09:24.460] and engine mode 11, it's the FIA and inconsistent and absolutely
[09:24.460 -> 09:26.320] wacky stewarding decisions.
[09:26.320 -> 09:28.320] What's going on?
[09:28.320 -> 09:30.960] Right, so we all know this, right?
[09:30.960 -> 09:38.480] Singapore, Max gets called up three times, right? Or whatever.
[09:38.480 -> 09:41.600] And he gets away with all three of them, or whatever.
[09:41.600 -> 09:44.080] And Logan Sargent as well, he got away with something as well.
[09:44.080 -> 09:49.880] I mean, it was a fucking shit show, Twitter was a fucking shit show.
[09:49.880 -> 09:54.360] Anyway the FIA turned around and they said actually you know what, mistakes were made
[09:54.360 -> 09:56.360] in the Singapore Stewarding.
[09:56.360 -> 09:57.360] Reprimand!
[09:57.360 -> 10:03.340] But like he gets away with impeding and qualifying for like literally if you replace the names
[10:03.340 -> 10:05.040] and then give them a penalty, that was what
[10:05.040 -> 10:07.120] happened to what Leclerc a couple races ago.
[10:07.120 -> 10:08.880] It's like the exact same shit.
[10:08.880 -> 10:11.360] It's like, yeah, your team didn't tell you because they missed it.
[10:11.360 -> 10:11.920] It happens.
[10:11.920 -> 10:15.520] That's like race engineering and managing traffic and qualifying sessions.
[10:15.520 -> 10:20.960] It's fucking hard work and mistakes were made by Max and Red Bull.
[10:20.960 -> 10:27.280] I guarantee you they were Red Bull were also shocked by that.
[10:27.280 -> 10:31.520] Outcome you think they came out of thinking I don't know how we got away with that boys,
[10:31.520 -> 10:34.960] but yes, they're sitting there in the in the engineering office.
[10:34.960 -> 10:37.960] Probably like yeah, so set up change for Sunday.
[10:37.960 -> 10:38.960] What do you think?
[10:38.960 -> 10:39.960] And we're going to the back.
[10:39.960 -> 10:42.480] We're definitely at the back of the grid and they're like no.
[10:42.480 -> 10:47.640] You've been so fucking slow this weekend in Singapore that we're just not going to slap you anymore.
[10:47.640 -> 10:48.640] That's punishment enough.
[10:48.640 -> 10:49.640] Oh my God.
[10:49.640 -> 10:55.360] So yeah, there was, there was also another aspect to that though, is apparently the FIA
[10:55.360 -> 11:02.080] in true fraudulent fashion didn't even notify Alpha Tauri via their WhatsApp group for stewarding
[11:02.080 -> 11:03.080] and race direction.
[11:03.080 -> 11:04.600] They didn't even message them.
[11:04.600 -> 11:05.880] They completely forgot about it.
[11:07.200 -> 11:12.280] I was like, you guys are literally fueling the flames of, of, uh,
[11:12.480 -> 11:14.480] disrepute among the sport.
[11:14.480 -> 11:15.960] Like you guys are bringing the sport.
[11:16.160 -> 11:17.000] Is there a penalty?
[11:17.080 -> 11:21.680] Can you, can we penalize the FIA for bringing the sport into disrepute?
[11:21.960 -> 11:23.960] Do you want like a people's revolution?
[11:24.320 -> 11:24.720] Yeah.
[11:28.000 -> 11:29.000] Maybe. Yeah. We should fucking, why don't we be the FIA? People's FIA.
[11:29.000 -> 11:30.000] Yeah.
[11:30.000 -> 11:34.000] You know, I'm changing my fraud watch for Singapore, by the way.
[11:34.000 -> 11:35.000] Okay.
[11:35.000 -> 11:36.000] I wonder what it will be.
[11:36.000 -> 11:41.000] But yes, so they're basically, Max and Logan avoided grid drops for impeding qualifying.
[11:41.000 -> 11:44.000] FIA admitted that they probably should have got grid drops.
[11:44.000 -> 11:46.920] But then Lewis Hamilton made an interesting comment.
[11:46.920 -> 11:48.840] He said, look, why don't we let AI give this a go?
[11:48.840 -> 11:54.760] And I know you feel quite strongly about this, so take it away.
[11:54.760 -> 11:56.160] Here's my thoughts on this.
[11:56.160 -> 11:59.960] There's, there's, there's, let's do this the easy way and the hard way.
[11:59.960 -> 12:04.600] The hard way is implement AI.
[12:04.600 -> 12:07.780] The easy way is to get good stewards.
[12:07.780 -> 12:09.600] The hard way is also to get good stewards.
[12:09.600 -> 12:13.260] But literally, you do not need AI to consistently police these rules.
[12:13.260 -> 12:17.340] You just need some people with some common fucking sense that aren't ready to get out
[12:17.340 -> 12:22.000] of the circuit at 2am as soon as they can so they can go to the fucking four floors
[12:22.000 -> 12:24.000] of whores and orchard towers.
[12:24.000 -> 12:25.640] I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
[12:25.640 -> 12:26.640] I'm sorry.
[12:26.640 -> 12:27.640] I'm sorry.
[12:27.640 -> 12:28.640] I'm sorry.
[12:28.640 -> 12:29.640] I'm sorry.
[12:29.640 -> 12:30.640] I'm sorry.
[12:30.640 -> 12:31.640] I'm sorry.
[12:31.640 -> 12:32.640] I'm sorry.
[12:32.640 -> 12:33.640] I'm sorry.
[12:33.640 -> 12:34.640] I'm sorry.
[12:34.640 -> 12:35.640] I'm sorry.
[12:35.640 -> 12:36.640] I'm sorry.
[12:36.640 -> 12:37.640] I'm sorry.
[12:37.640 -> 12:38.640] I'm sorry.
[12:38.640 -> 12:39.640] I'm sorry.
[12:39.640 -> 12:40.640] I'm sorry.
[12:40.640 -> 12:41.640] I'm sorry.
[12:41.640 -> 12:42.640] I'm sorry.
[12:42.640 -> 12:43.640] I'm sorry.
[12:43.640 -> 12:44.640] I'm sorry.
[12:44.640 -> 12:46.600] I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Sure. Anyway, please God now. Towers, orchard towers. Wow.
[12:46.900 -> 12:46.960] Yeah.
[12:49.440 -> 12:50.160] I mean, a good, good lobster in the restaurant downstairs. I know that much.
[12:50.760 -> 12:51.120] Yeah.
[12:51.400 -> 12:54.480] I never frequent, I never frequented the other floors, but anyway.
[12:55.880 -> 12:56.080] Yeah.
[12:56.920 -> 13:02.640] So yeah, in the AI, like I, I'm not opposed to using AI for this, right.
[13:02.640 -> 13:07.960] But these decisions you need, there's always an element of like intent or emotion behind
[13:07.960 -> 13:12.960] it and you can't, AI can't determine that.
[13:12.960 -> 13:15.200] You could show it two identical instances.
[13:15.200 -> 13:19.840] One of them might be a genuine sort of accident and the other one might be someone turning
[13:19.840 -> 13:20.840] you on it.
[13:20.840 -> 13:22.360] How's the AI going to differentiate that?
[13:22.360 -> 13:23.360] I don't know.
[13:23.360 -> 13:25.240] I just don't think he can do it.
[13:25.240 -> 13:30.360] Well, I think I think what Lewis was suggesting was even simpler. It's like literally use
[13:30.360 -> 13:34.760] AI to interpret the wording of the rules. And I'm like, that can't make any sense because
[13:34.760 -> 13:39.680] the stewards can't be that. They're bad. Go back to Guther Steiner's comment a couple
[13:39.680 -> 13:43.560] weeks ago. You need professional stewards that are paid, not volunteers and not just
[13:43.560 -> 13:44.560] irrelevant old drivers.
[13:44.560 -> 13:48.960] Yeah, but then didn't he have to come out and give an apology for making that for bringing it into disrepute
[13:49.720 -> 13:52.720] Dude, the FIA need are bringing the sport into disrepute
[13:52.720 -> 13:57.360] It's their fault half of this shit's happening and everybody's talking so much trash about it in dove
[13:58.200 -> 14:04.800] Yep, so in you know in case we get summoned by the FIA for bringing it into disrepute with his podcast
[14:04.840 -> 14:05.320] You can fuck yourselves And in case we get summoned by the FIA for bringing it into disrepute with this podcast,
[14:05.320 -> 14:06.320] you can go fuck yourselves.
[14:06.320 -> 14:07.320] Oh my God.
[14:07.320 -> 14:08.320] Oh my God.
[14:08.320 -> 14:09.320] But anyway-
[14:09.320 -> 14:15.120] We're not going to get an invite out there anytime soon.
[14:15.120 -> 14:16.880] Nah, it's not happening, but we're good.
[14:16.880 -> 14:17.880] We're good.
[14:17.880 -> 14:22.360] I like the idea of using AI to police track limits, though.
[14:22.360 -> 14:23.360] All they need to do is put-
[14:23.360 -> 14:24.360] I mean, we talked about this before, dude.
[14:24.360 -> 14:27.560] Besides that gold line technology and all that stuff they got in football.
[14:27.560 -> 14:29.200] Football not soccer, right?
[14:29.200 -> 14:30.200] It's football.
[14:30.200 -> 14:31.200] Football.
[14:31.200 -> 14:35.240] Bedford Aerodrome, aka the Bedford, Bedford ring.
[14:35.240 -> 14:38.400] Oh yes, the Palmer Motorsport.
[14:38.400 -> 14:43.160] They've got, they've got 30 year old F4 cars with fucking track limit sensors in them.
[14:43.160 -> 14:47.900] And if you're doing your hot laps with your scrubbed, rotten ass old tires, set a lap
[14:47.900 -> 14:52.180] out there, it lets you know when you go off track because there's sensors in the fucking
[14:52.180 -> 14:53.220] floor.
[14:53.220 -> 14:55.660] They've already got timing loops on the track.
[14:55.660 -> 14:57.180] They cut some little grooves across them.
[14:57.180 -> 14:58.180] They put loops.
[14:58.180 -> 14:59.860] Matt Amos has done a great video on it.
[14:59.860 -> 15:04.300] Same technology, similar track limits policing.
[15:04.300 -> 15:06.640] It's like, come on, it's fucking Formula One.
[15:06.640 -> 15:08.800] Not anyway, I'm I'm mad.
[15:09.200 -> 15:10.200] Yeah, you're right.
[15:10.200 -> 15:11.680] You need you need a cup of tea.
[15:11.960 -> 15:14.400] You sound pretty vexed out today.
[15:14.720 -> 15:15.320] No, I'm alright.
[15:15.320 -> 15:15.840] I'm alright.
[15:15.920 -> 15:16.840] I need pizza though.
[15:17.240 -> 15:17.880] OK.
[15:18.600 -> 15:21.000] Well, we'll try and make this not a two hour episode.
[15:21.040 -> 15:22.600] We're going to make it a two hour episode.
[15:22.880 -> 15:24.480] Hour 15 is our target today.
[15:24.480 -> 15:25.760] Chat fuck it off. We're never hitting that right. Let's rip through it. So anyway, but we're going to make it 2 hour episode hour 15 is our target today. Chat fuck it off.
[15:25.760 -> 15:27.240] We're never hitting that right.
[15:27.240 -> 15:27.760] Let's rip through it.
[15:27.760 -> 15:29.880] So anyway, but we're done now.
[15:31.680 -> 15:33.240] If I have.
[15:34.520 -> 15:36.760] Is it FIA or FOM FIA?
[15:36.800 -> 15:39.880] Yeah, this one's all you baby, because this is your neck of the woods.
[15:40.200 -> 15:47.040] Well, the FIA have apparently are set to approve Android and Cadillac because they have rejected
[15:47.040 -> 15:52.240] several other entrants and told them you guys aren't getting an entry.
[15:52.240 -> 15:58.440] So as Dan put in the notes as well, that means that the decision moves on to F1 and Domenicali
[15:58.440 -> 16:00.400] to the commercial side.
[16:00.400 -> 16:06.840] The regulatory side has said, yes, this team meets all the criteria, blah, blah, blah.
[16:06.840 -> 16:11.040] But Stefano's not too keen on new teams, is he?
[16:11.040 -> 16:13.560] No, he's, I don't know.
[16:13.560 -> 16:16.800] I think he's, what is it?
[16:16.800 -> 16:21.760] The official line was he's worried about the dilution of the sport or whatever, or if a
[16:21.760 -> 16:24.360] team doesn't come in and bring value.
[16:24.360 -> 16:26.080] But Jesus Christ,ti Cadillac,
[16:27.440 -> 16:29.840] that's got to be a win, right? Come on.
[16:29.840 -> 16:36.800] Sounds good. And here's the other thing. And I think, I believe one of the hinging factors why
[16:36.800 -> 16:45.980] Andretti Cadillac was selected was because I haven't confirmed this, but I do believe that Cadillac intends
[16:45.980 -> 16:50.000] to produce engines a year after they enter.
[16:50.000 -> 16:51.320] So I think they're gonna get started
[16:51.320 -> 16:55.320] with the best engines on the grid, Bonjour,
[16:56.120 -> 16:58.880] and then they're gonna switch over to Cadillacs.
[16:58.880 -> 17:03.740] But I'm not gonna say too much, but I'm fairly certain
[17:03.740 -> 17:05.000] one of the outfits that got turned
[17:05.000 -> 17:11.700] down was extremely advanced in terms of tools, people, resources, and development.
[17:11.700 -> 17:16.060] And I wouldn't be surprised that Andretti might be like, Hey, can we buy some of your
[17:16.060 -> 17:17.220] IP?
[17:17.220 -> 17:21.560] Because you guys are like a year and a half or more ahead of us, even though we've got
[17:21.560 -> 17:22.880] Cadillac backing us.
[17:22.880 -> 17:23.880] But yeah.
[17:23.880 -> 17:27.840] I'm going to venture a guess and you don't have to confirm or deny, but I'm going to
[17:27.840 -> 17:35.160] say that's high tech because the F2 team tried to put an entry in, I know that much.
[17:35.160 -> 17:36.160] Interesting.
[17:36.160 -> 17:37.160] Okay.
[17:37.160 -> 17:45.340] But anyway, hey, look, listen, if you are one of the teams that was rejected good news you can go
[17:45.340 -> 17:48.960] out and buy your own race series yes that's right ladies and gentlemen the W
[17:48.960 -> 17:52.700] series if we all remember that it's formally been put up for sale by its
[17:52.700 -> 17:56.020] administrators but you got to be quick though because the bid deadline is by
[17:56.020 -> 18:00.640] October 12th this year and for your money you get all the brand in
[18:00.640 -> 18:05.920] intellectual property and 20 of the race cars and their offices. Where are the offices?
[18:05.920 -> 18:07.200] I don't actually know.
[18:07.200 -> 18:09.120] Are they in some shithole because I don't want them otherwise?
[18:10.000 -> 18:11.600] Uh probably, I'm actually sat in it now.
[18:15.200 -> 18:17.920] I have bought the W series ladies and gentlemen.
[18:17.920 -> 18:23.200] But but also not only do you get all the stuff, the FIA would wave their magic wand
[18:23.840 -> 18:26.320] and let you restart the series if you wanted to.
[18:28.720 -> 18:34.240] Yeah, which seems a bit defunct and dead on arrival because they've just launched F1 Academy.
[18:35.040 -> 18:39.440] Speaking of that, have you heard anything about F1 Academy since everybody was like,
[18:39.440 -> 18:45.840] great, this is a great initiative to get young women in competitive race cars in a Formula 4 car
[18:45.840 -> 18:49.240] as a stepping stone into F3, F2, and so on.
[18:49.240 -> 18:51.120] I haven't heard a single word about it.
[18:51.120 -> 18:53.600] I don't know if the calendar's not racing right now.
[18:53.600 -> 18:55.200] I don't know anything about it.
[18:55.200 -> 18:57.600] They didn't broadcast any of them on TV.
[18:57.600 -> 18:59.880] They were just like these recaps on YouTube.
[18:59.880 -> 19:00.880] And I was just like,
[19:00.880 -> 19:05.080] I'll tell you where you can see him again.
[19:07.280 -> 19:12.400] And again, chat will come in if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure they're racing again in America in, um, I'm pretty sure they've got us around.
[19:12.400 -> 19:13.680] Are they going to be there?
[19:13.920 -> 19:14.680] Pretty sure they are.
[19:14.680 -> 19:15.000] Yeah.
[19:15.800 -> 19:16.320] Okay.
[19:16.640 -> 19:18.920] And then next year it's moving to F1 TV.
[19:19.520 -> 19:19.880] Okay.
[19:20.280 -> 19:20.760] That's good.
[19:21.400 -> 19:23.600] Well, hopefully that gets a little bit momentum.
[19:23.640 -> 19:26.920] Um, I think I know a couple of people that engineer in that series.
[19:26.920 -> 19:29.180] Maybe I will run into them at Austin.
[19:29.180 -> 19:30.180] I will do my best.
[19:30.180 -> 19:31.180] I will, I will work on something.
[19:31.180 -> 19:32.180] I know at least.
[19:32.180 -> 19:34.520] Season finale at Cota, chat confirms.
[19:34.520 -> 19:36.160] So yeah, they'll be there.
[19:36.160 -> 19:37.160] During the F1 Grand Prix.
[19:37.160 -> 19:38.160] Yeah, yeah.
[19:38.160 -> 19:39.160] Support.
[19:39.160 -> 19:40.160] Okay.
[19:40.160 -> 19:41.160] Anyway.
[19:41.160 -> 19:42.160] So there you go.
[19:42.160 -> 19:43.160] Rock and roll.
[19:43.160 -> 19:47.160] I will definitely see if I can find someone to speak to.
[19:47.160 -> 19:51.240] I know at least one engineer that works in the series and I haven't talked to in a while,
[19:51.240 -> 19:53.080] but I will definitely reach out.
[19:53.080 -> 19:56.680] But in other news, Dan, you checked out some race cars this weekend.
[19:56.680 -> 19:58.400] You were at the British Touring Car.
[19:58.400 -> 19:59.400] How was it?
[19:59.400 -> 20:02.000] It was all right, you know, it wasn't too bad.
[20:02.000 -> 20:05.080] It was Silverstone in September. So of course it rained.
[20:09.880 -> 20:13.320] Um, I like, so BTCC is British touring cars, right. And it was, uh, for those that don't know, it's, it's tin tops, right.
[20:13.360 -> 20:17.760] And it was, it was a big, it was a lot bigger over here in the nineties.
[20:17.760 -> 20:20.440] I think it's sort of peaked in the sort of nineties, early two thousands.
[20:20.440 -> 20:22.280] And then it's all went on a bit of a slow decline.
[20:23.400 -> 20:24.480] I've never seen it live.
[20:24.480 -> 20:25.620] So I thought, you know what, why not?
[20:25.620 -> 20:29.180] And a friend offered me a ticket, which I think, I think it was only
[20:29.180 -> 20:30.860] like 22 pounds or something anyway.
[20:31.900 -> 20:35.420] Um, but for that money, you can go, uh, into the paddock.
[20:35.420 -> 20:37.100] You can go right up to the garages.
[20:37.100 -> 20:39.420] You can walk around the support area.
[20:39.420 -> 20:41.220] You can roving grandstands.
[20:42.220 -> 20:46.500] It's mental for 22 pounds, the amount of access you get and free parking as well,
[20:46.500 -> 20:48.300] which at Silverstone is a rarity.
[20:48.800 -> 20:50.500] Now called now.
[20:50.500 -> 20:51.800] That's what we call access.
[20:51.800 -> 20:57.100] Yeah, it is for £22 on the day that I looked at Silverstone tickets for F1
[20:57.100 -> 21:00.700] and they were like £500 and that's before you pay for parking and all that
[21:00.700 -> 21:02.800] and I'm just like fuck that.
[21:03.600 -> 21:06.600] Yeah, well, I mean, speaking of free,
[21:06.600 -> 21:09.800] the spa ELMS race this weekend at Spa
[21:09.800 -> 21:11.000] Francochamps was free.
[21:11.600 -> 21:12.200] Free entry.
[21:13.000 -> 21:15.800] Yeah, so I mean, I heard about this.
[21:16.100 -> 21:17.900] There's some really good race cars.
[21:18.800 -> 21:20.100] Out there, but that sounds fun.
[21:20.700 -> 21:21.500] I am a.
[21:22.700 -> 21:24.600] Actually going, I think I'm going.
[21:24.600 -> 21:25.800] I'm waiting on confirmation,
[21:25.800 -> 21:28.320] but I might be out in Barcelona
[21:28.320 -> 21:30.200] at the GT World Challenge this weekend.
[21:30.800 -> 21:33.160] I'm not sure I'm still waiting on some confirmation,
[21:33.160 -> 21:35.040] but I might be out there making some cool content
[21:35.400 -> 21:38.080] and I will do a toilet review update in the paddock
[21:38.080 -> 21:40.760] because I will have paddock access at least one day.
[21:41.240 -> 21:43.680] So we'll update our Barcelona paddock like last
[21:43.880 -> 21:45.940] when they upgraded them in 2018. I think they were nice. So I'll update our Barcelona paddock. I like last when they upgraded them in 2018.
[21:45.940 -> 21:48.480] I think they were nice, so I'll give them.
[21:48.840 -> 21:49.400] Would you like?
[21:50.540 -> 21:52.080] Would you like a Silverstone toilet review?
[21:52.320 -> 21:54.520] Yeah, go on cold.
[21:55.200 -> 21:59.120] Not not too clean, but not toilet seats on the shitters.
[21:59.700 -> 22:02.600] I don't specifically remember,
[22:02.600 -> 22:07.320] so I didn't because if you think I'm going to a track and taking a shit trackside. There's nothing very wrong with you
[22:08.580 -> 22:12.960] Nobody nobody shit trackside. Nobody should right? This isn't a medical emergency
[22:14.200 -> 22:16.200] but no, so
[22:16.560 -> 22:18.720] Right, you know, they're all right
[22:19.560 -> 22:20.720] Okay
[22:20.720 -> 22:25.280] Okay, fine. I give all that you guys give them five toilet rolls out ten. Okay, okay Cuz Barcelona previously them five toilet rolls out of ten.
[22:25.280 -> 22:30.360] Okay, because Barcelona previously was two rolls out of ten.
[22:30.360 -> 22:33.640] They didn't even have toilet seats on most of the sit-down units.
[22:33.640 -> 22:38.760] No, the Barcelona toilets in the paddock and all that area were so bad that every time
[22:38.760 -> 22:43.400] I used them, I had like an existential crisis where I thought my plane crashed on the way
[22:43.400 -> 22:46.960] to Barcelona and this was hell.
[22:47.460 -> 22:48.460] Yeah. No, dude.
[22:48.460 -> 22:51.460] Well, they're changed now. I've not used them since they've upgraded yet.
[22:51.460 -> 22:53.460] But yeah, nobody used the circuit.
[22:53.460 -> 22:55.460] Fucking torches, my god.
[22:55.460 -> 22:59.460] Okay, fair enough. I've used them several times, unfortunately, especially in testing.
[22:59.460 -> 23:00.960] Testing's long days, but uh...
[23:00.960 -> 23:02.460] I made the fucking mistake, right?
[23:02.460 -> 23:04.460] And again, people watching this live will laugh at this,
[23:04.460 -> 23:05.760] but I'll have you know once upon a
[23:05.760 -> 23:11.040] time I used to actually be relatively into my fitness and I jogged around the Barcelona
[23:11.040 -> 23:13.120] circuit during testing once and I thought...
[23:13.120 -> 23:14.640] It's got a bit of elevation in it man.
[23:14.640 -> 23:16.080] Jesus Christ has it yeah.
[23:16.080 -> 23:18.600] If you want to really get to know a circuit run around it.
[23:18.600 -> 23:24.560] But yeah I thought oh it's alright no worries afterwards I'll have a shower in the toilets.
[23:24.560 -> 23:25.460] Mate. But yeah, I thought, oh, it's all right. No worries. Afterwards I'll have a shower in the toilets.
[23:25.880 -> 23:26.200] Mate.
[23:26.560 -> 23:26.620] Yeah.
[23:30.260 -> 23:31.120] I'm I've probably, I'm pretty sure I caught venereal diseases after that incident.
[23:36.240 -> 23:37.040] That's gross.
[23:37.920 -> 23:39.880] Thank you for tuning into toilet talk.
[23:40.400 -> 23:40.680] Yeah.
[23:40.800 -> 23:44.160] So, uh, another thing before we will quickly, we'll rattle through
[23:44.160 -> 23:45.040] Singapore in literally
[23:45.040 -> 23:47.280] two minutes.
[23:47.280 -> 23:51.920] I'm also I've got an opportunity to go to the US Grand Prix in Austin, which I just
[23:51.920 -> 23:53.520] mentioned I will be out there.
[23:53.520 -> 23:57.240] I can't really say what exactly I'm doing because I don't really know, but I will be
[23:57.240 -> 24:00.400] doing a mix of stuff outside the circuit stuff at the circuit.
[24:00.400 -> 24:02.920] I don't think I'll be in the paddock.
[24:02.920 -> 24:06.240] Fingers crossed, maybe happens, but I'm thinking
[24:06.240 -> 24:10.360] there's some people are going to let me loose on some cool F1 content while I'm out there.
[24:10.360 -> 24:14.440] But I'm thinking if anybody's out there and you want to meet up, we'll find something
[24:14.440 -> 24:18.760] in a circuit, maybe a Friday afternoon or something, depending on what I'm doing. But
[24:18.760 -> 24:22.160] it would be awesome to run into a bunch of you. A bunch of people said hi last year,
[24:22.160 -> 24:28.520] and I was like, I'm just trying to be anonymous. I don't like people knowing who I am, but. You guys have
[24:28.520 -> 24:32.120] all been really nice. It'd be awesome to run into some of you, but we'll figure that out.
[24:32.120 -> 24:41.060] So the timer can we do Singapore in 60 seconds? No, I go Red Bull. Absolutely shocking off
[24:41.060 -> 24:50.540] the pace. People are saying it's the technical directives. They absolutely fucked him. Please refer to Japanese Grand Prix results. Also, flexi front wings
[24:50.540 -> 24:55.780] will not impact a low speed circuit that much. Stroll takes a stroll for Sunday. He absolutely
[24:55.780 -> 25:01.300] bend it. The car was fucked and he wasn't feeling too good.
[25:01.300 -> 25:06.480] Charles car decided to fall apart towards the end of the race and he's kind of like petered off into P nowhere.
[25:06.480 -> 25:10.280] Um, that was after the team sacrificed him in.
[25:10.280 -> 25:14.440] Oh yeah, the double the double stop and he gets bozoed.
[25:14.440 -> 25:18.720] That child see you send you into the fucking despair.
[25:18.720 -> 25:22.360] Red Bull tried to go long on the hard in their first stint and it really didn't work out
[25:22.360 -> 25:28.340] because there was a safety car early that gave everybody else a free stop. And then they stopped again just before
[25:28.340 -> 25:32.600] the virtual safety car or the safety car at the end of the race. So it's like unlucky
[25:32.600 -> 25:38.560] over the only team to do a pit stop in regular racing conditions. That is a great stat and
[25:38.560 -> 25:48.400] that is a good way to lose a shitload of time. Mercedes did a double push for the end and both. Realistically, Hamilton was so much
[25:48.400 -> 25:54.320] faster than Russell in that final stint, and they were wheelbanging until Russell went for the gap
[25:54.320 -> 26:02.560] in the Singapore sign on the wall. W unlucky mate, that sucked. Checo also decides to ruin
[26:03.120 -> 26:06.480] Albon's race, which is really unfortunate.
[26:06.480 -> 26:08.480] But it's okay because he learned from it.
[26:08.480 -> 26:09.720] Yeah, yeah.
[26:09.720 -> 26:10.720] All right.
[26:10.720 -> 26:12.340] That was almost a minute.
[26:12.340 -> 26:13.340] Not too bad.
[26:13.340 -> 26:18.200] Yeah, I just said Max's street came to an end, which is the real reason why we didn't
[26:18.200 -> 26:21.960] do an episode is because we couldn't bring ourselves to admit.
[26:21.960 -> 26:24.360] Yeah, but let's talk about Japan.
[26:24.360 -> 26:27.100] The Japanese Grand Prix practice.
[26:27.300 -> 26:29.800] Talk to me new tires, no sidewall markings.
[26:29.800 -> 26:33.700] If you saw some random black tires with no curly markings,
[26:34.000 -> 26:36.200] that was the development C2.
[26:36.900 -> 26:37.700] Yeah, baby.
[26:37.700 -> 26:40.800] The new prototype C2 tires are out in FP1.
[26:41.500 -> 26:45.440] Every team got given two sets and the idea was to basically make a tyre
[26:45.440 -> 26:52.400] better situated between new C1 for this season and the C3. Verstappen ran it at
[26:52.400 -> 26:55.840] high fuel in practice to have a look at it. Now here's the funny one or not the
[26:55.840 -> 26:58.440] funny one here's the strange thing Pirelli actually gave out a statement on
[26:58.440 -> 27:03.120] its performance afterwards and they said from the initial feedback it seems it's
[27:03.120 -> 27:07.480] not delivering the potential for improvement in terms of the grip you want it to achieve.
[27:07.480 -> 27:11.720] And what's funny about that is that I do not recall Pirelli ever coming out and giving
[27:11.720 -> 27:14.520] public feedback about their prototype tires before.
[27:14.520 -> 27:16.080] I was just like, oh, okay.
[27:16.080 -> 27:17.080] Right.
[27:17.080 -> 27:20.040] I think what you meant to say is I don't remember Pirelli ever giving honest feedback about
[27:20.040 -> 27:21.040] their tires ever.
[27:21.040 -> 27:22.040] Yeah.
[27:22.040 -> 27:25.200] Let alone to the public, to the teams as well.
[27:25.200 -> 27:27.280] Yeah, exactly.
[27:27.280 -> 27:30.320] I mean, they don't hide the data in lap times, so the teams can see it.
[27:30.320 -> 27:32.560] It's like, interesting.
[27:32.560 -> 27:34.960] But practice was pretty straightforward.
[27:34.960 -> 27:41.680] Yeah, a lot of people sort of, I think it's turn nine, the Degner curve where you come
[27:41.680 -> 27:48.000] out and you sort of, everyone was doing their best Tony Hawks pro skater impersonation and grinding the car down the curb. Yeah.
[27:48.640 -> 27:54.240] Dude, that is so aggressive. That before we get into a little word from our friends at Nord,
[27:55.040 -> 27:59.840] those guys are awesome, by the way. It's just like, Suzuka is such an amazing circuit. It's
[27:59.840 -> 28:04.160] my favorite circuit on the calendar. It's got literally everything. It's dramatic.
[28:06.080 -> 28:10.440] favorite circuit on the calendar. It's got literally everything. It's dramatic. It's not so great in Formula One when it's wet, but man, it's just such a cool track. The
[28:10.440 -> 28:14.960] Japanese fans are amazing. The circuit is great. The facilities are super. They've got
[28:14.960 -> 28:23.080] heated toilets. Suzuka gets 10 out of 10 toilet rolls. They have heated total washlet toilets
[28:23.080 -> 28:28.120] in the paddock. So when it's cold and raining, you go sit down and warm your little bum.
[28:28.120 -> 28:29.600] Yeah, I love it.
[28:29.600 -> 28:30.920] What more do you need?
[28:30.920 -> 28:37.120] But yeah, no, the Japanese fans are dedicated because it doesn't matter who you are.
[28:37.120 -> 28:42.160] They'll cheer you like you could be out front of the garage washing tires after a run and
[28:42.160 -> 28:48.400] there'll be like 50 people watching you just cheering you on. you on. They treat everyone like a celebrity. It's mental.
[28:48.400 -> 28:51.760] I love it. I love it. So before we get to qualifying why don't we have a little
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[30:01.480 -> 30:05.720] You can watch F1 with all the onboards the way it's meant to be done from
[30:05.720 -> 30:10.120] anywhere. Thank fuck. Qualifying. Q1.
[30:10.120 -> 30:19.200] Yeah. Logan decides to do what, actually I was going to say what he does best, but I
[30:19.200 -> 30:20.200] feel that's a bit harsh on him.
[30:20.200 -> 30:26.720] I don't, yeah, I don't think that's, he said it, I'm, I'm, yeah, I mean, he fully committed
[30:26.720 -> 30:28.280] to leaving the final corner though.
[30:28.280 -> 30:30.280] Yeah, that was, yeah, Mike Crack.
[30:30.280 -> 30:33.120] He was, womp, womp, womp, womp, womp, womp, womp, womp, womp, womp, womp, womp, womp,
[30:33.120 -> 30:34.120] womp, commit.
[30:34.120 -> 30:39.720] Just like Lance did in Singapore the other week, Logan fully committed to yeeting himself
[30:39.720 -> 30:40.720] into the wall.
[30:40.720 -> 30:42.600] Yep, I'll take that one.
[30:42.600 -> 30:48.000] Mike Crack also said that, you can tell Logan's committed by the way he kept it lit.
[30:48.000 -> 30:50.000] And that sucks, man.
[30:50.000 -> 30:56.000] Like, the Williams is probably, I think Albon's driving the shit out of that car, and Logan's having a very tough rookie season.
[30:56.000 -> 30:59.000] And, yeah, I don't like to see it.
[30:59.000 -> 31:01.000] Yeah, he's hard, isn't he?
[31:01.000 -> 31:10.200] Because he's likable. He's very likeable. He is. And I try to give every rookie a year to prove themselves.
[31:10.200 -> 31:14.080] And I didn't give Nick DeVries that honor because I don't class him as a rookie because
[31:14.080 -> 31:17.160] he did all that Formula E stuff and things like that.
[31:17.160 -> 31:19.640] But yeah, I don't know, Logan.
[31:19.640 -> 31:22.560] I need to see more out of him as well.
[31:22.560 -> 31:23.560] Yeah.
[31:23.560 -> 31:28.540] Q2 are our boy Liam just on the outside in P11.
[31:28.820 -> 31:30.340] Yuki gets into Q3.
[31:30.900 -> 31:31.580] Oof.
[31:32.180 -> 31:32.660] Go on lad.
[31:33.020 -> 31:34.540] Um, who'd we lose?
[31:34.660 -> 31:39.300] Magnussen, Ocon, Albon unfortunately, uh, Gasly and Lawson.
[31:39.300 -> 31:44.380] The, the, I said it earlier in my, my analysis on the weekend on qualifying
[31:44.380 -> 31:47.360] or on practice, that Williams
[31:47.360 -> 31:51.460] could do well, but they're absolutely shocking in sector one.
[31:51.460 -> 31:54.560] They got the straight line speed to make up for some of that time, but they're really
[31:54.560 -> 31:56.000] going to have to qualify well.
[31:56.000 -> 32:04.240] And unfortunately, P20 out and then Albon and P13, not really particularly viable for
[32:04.240 -> 32:08.800] Suzuka. No, they were not cooking this weekend.
[32:08.800 -> 32:10.800] No, no, they weren't.
[32:10.800 -> 32:12.800] But I'll tell you who was cooking this weekend.
[32:12.800 -> 32:14.800] The FIA?
[32:14.800 -> 32:16.800] Well, yes.
[32:16.800 -> 32:18.800] Max Verstappen was cooking this weekend.
[32:18.800 -> 32:20.800] He took Singapore very personally.
[32:20.800 -> 32:24.800] And he smashed it in Q3.
[32:24.800 -> 32:30.120] Yeah, was it 0.6? 0.58 or something? Yeah.
[32:30.120 -> 32:33.920] He's done some pretty big and percentage wise as he's done some pretty big margins earlier
[32:33.920 -> 32:47.440] in the season. But yeah, McLaren 2-3, Piastri, Norris, outstanding. And that was alsoiler, that's our podium as well.
[32:47.440 -> 32:50.000] Interesting though, little bit of performance like breakdown.
[32:50.000 -> 32:51.840] Because I did a whole mile.
[32:51.840 -> 32:55.560] Actually, if you're interested, buymeacoffee.com front slash break.
[32:55.560 -> 32:56.800] Go over to the post section.
[32:56.800 -> 33:01.720] If you scroll down, the qualifying report is free to everyone.
[33:01.720 -> 33:05.000] The qualifying or the FPT report, one of them is. It's free to everybody.
[33:05.000 -> 33:06.000] I'm not sure, Paul, you tell me.
[33:06.000 -> 33:11.000] Yeah, it's been a long week, but if you want more geeky F1 data and you hear me talk about
[33:11.000 -> 33:13.000] it, like I'm not sure I want to subscribe to that.
[33:13.000 -> 33:15.000] Go check it out.
[33:15.000 -> 33:19.000] Verstappen was untouchable in the S's and in Turn 8.
[33:19.000 -> 33:24.000] So Degner won the fast, the first right-hander, untouchable, huge commitment, confidence in
[33:24.000 -> 33:25.360] car placement. Looking at the data, I'm going to say this untouchable, huge commitment, confidence in car placement.
[33:29.840 -> 33:34.400] Looking at the data, I'm going to say this, Perez looked like he was driving a different car in sector one in the S's, but the rest of the lap and the spoon curves, the fast left handers,
[33:34.400 -> 33:39.120] he looked really similar. And then Perez also left quite a bit of time on the table in the
[33:39.120 -> 33:46.240] final chicane, which was very odd. If Perez was lacking downforce, there's no way he would have matched
[33:46.240 -> 33:48.160] them in turn eight, nine and turn 13, 14.
[33:48.160 -> 33:49.840] He just doesn't look that comfortable in sector one.
[33:50.640 -> 33:54.880] Between the McLarens, if you combined Piastri and Norris' best laps, they
[33:54.880 -> 33:58.600] maybe were 0.2 closer to Verstappen.
[33:58.600 -> 34:03.680] So, you know, there's still three to four tenths off a pole, Max and that car.
[34:04.400 -> 34:05.160] Insane. Yeah. I mean, where they started at the start of the year, that's, if you'd have told There's still three to four tenths off a pull max and that car insane.
[34:05.160 -> 34:07.760] Yeah, well, you know where they started at the start of the year.
[34:07.760 -> 34:12.440] That's if you had told them they would be qualifying P2 and P3 on merit in Japan,
[34:12.440 -> 34:13.800] I think they would have bitten your hand off.
[34:14.160 -> 34:14.600] Yeah.
[34:15.800 -> 34:16.360] I don't know.
[34:16.360 -> 34:23.160] I think I didn't really think that McLaren would be like a do you remember?
[34:23.160 -> 34:27.600] Like the Suzuka is kind of like a spa type thing where you need.
[34:27.600 -> 34:30.960] You've got this compromise because you need downforce and you straight line power
[34:30.960 -> 34:32.760] or straight line performance.
[34:32.760 -> 34:36.680] Spotty, they didn't have the the Monza or the lower efficiency
[34:36.680 -> 34:37.920] Rewing and they got absolutely hosed.
[34:37.920 -> 34:40.120] I don't think they're running super, super low here,
[34:40.120 -> 34:41.280] but you just have to have that right.
[34:41.280 -> 34:44.680] That could balance between efficiency
[34:44.680 -> 34:48.200] and their performance was outstanding.
[34:48.200 -> 34:52.760] The Mercedes looked pretty slow in a straight line, especially DRS.
[34:52.760 -> 34:55.200] They looked dog water.
[34:55.200 -> 35:01.500] But yeah, Ferrari lost a bit in turn two, which is the first proper corner turn once
[35:01.500 -> 35:03.320] flat in Suzuka.
[35:03.320 -> 35:04.320] That's so spicy.
[35:04.320 -> 35:06.960] I love it, but.
[35:06.960 -> 35:10.280] It's interesting because let's talk about the run plan quickly.
[35:10.280 -> 35:11.840] I've wrote a lot of notes about it.
[35:11.840 -> 35:13.240] I'm going to skip over it.
[35:13.240 -> 35:17.680] Basically, most people only had three new softs for qualifying and for I were playing
[35:17.680 -> 35:23.280] with fire, they went super late in Q1 after Sergeant crashed, which was like, oof, OK,
[35:23.280 -> 35:30.480] you know, if you get another red flag there, you get knocked out in Q3 and then you're, or Q1 and you're screwed.
[35:30.480 -> 35:35.320] Many drivers, Max got through Q2 on a Usoft so that he was the only driver that had two
[35:35.320 -> 35:37.380] new softs for Q3.
[35:37.380 -> 35:41.640] Ferrari only had one set of new softs at the end of Q3 and they didn't opt to run a scrub
[35:41.640 -> 35:45.760] set, which is interesting because people run scrub sets
[35:45.760 -> 35:49.760] earlier in the session to get a feel for what the wind's doing, what the track feels like,
[35:49.760 -> 35:53.160] knowing that the tires lost, you know, two or three tenths from its best, you just get
[35:53.160 -> 35:55.340] a feel for it.
[35:55.340 -> 35:59.860] But Ferrari drivers didn't want to run the scrub set to get confused by the grip levels.
[35:59.860 -> 36:05.360] So what they did was they went into Q3 and guessed that the conditions in grip level N qualified
[36:05.360 -> 36:07.560] not particularly fantastically.
[36:07.560 -> 36:11.840] Fourth and sixth for Leclerc and Sines, respectively.
[36:11.840 -> 36:18.200] Checo was, yeah, fairway off max as well, nearly a second, eight tenths or so.
[36:18.200 -> 36:31.800] So not, yeah, not too stunning. No, no. So at the end of it, the results, Logan didn't set a time obviously because of his shunt.
[36:31.800 -> 36:39.800] We had Joe p19, Hulkenberg p18, Stroll p17, p17 to Strollman.
[36:39.800 -> 36:46.400] Bottas p16, Magnussen p15, Ocon p14, Alvin p13, Gasly p12, Lawas p16 Magnuson p15 ocon p14 alvin p13
[36:47.040 -> 36:49.140] Gasly p12 Lawson p11
[36:50.240 -> 36:52.240] So close for liam
[36:52.480 -> 36:54.480] On him p10 for alonzo
[36:55.600 -> 37:00.080] Yuki p9 george p8 louis p7 carlos p6
[37:00.880 -> 37:04.320] Perez p5 charles p4 lando p3
[37:11.120 -> 37:16.660] yestery p2 gwan sun and max Alex, Perez P5, Charles P4, Orlando P3, Gastry P2, Gornsun, and Max smashing it in P1. Well, we've got after qualifying or during qualifying between the whole thing, we've
[37:16.660 -> 37:19.520] got two stories about thirds.
[37:19.520 -> 37:24.200] Williams, with their magical third car.
[37:24.200 -> 37:26.840] That was interesting. They got a little bit of a penalty,
[37:26.840 -> 37:27.800] so they got sent to the,
[37:27.800 -> 37:28.920] they had to start from the pit lane
[37:28.920 -> 37:30.320] because they changed survival cell.
[37:31.440 -> 37:33.080] But before the race even started,
[37:33.080 -> 37:35.120] Sergeant got himself a 10 second penalty.
[37:35.800 -> 37:37.000] What's going on there?
[37:38.280 -> 37:40.600] Right, so the FAA has some strange,
[37:40.640 -> 37:42.520] not strange rules, right?
[37:42.520 -> 37:43.880] But there are lots of weird
[37:43.880 -> 37:44.720] sort of technical rules
[37:44.720 -> 37:45.840] you got to be aware of, right?
[37:45.840 -> 37:47.620] Currently, new nuances.
[37:47.620 -> 37:48.320] New nuances.
[37:48.320 -> 37:48.800] Thank you.
[37:48.800 -> 37:49.360] Thank you.
[37:49.440 -> 37:56.800] And basically, as soon as Williams saw that Sergeant's car was in the wall and as damaged
[37:56.800 -> 38:00.360] as it was, they basically said, right, let's just start building up the new car.
[38:01.160 -> 38:05.640] Um, problem was, is they weren't allowed to do that until Park Fermet was,
[38:05.680 -> 38:07.040] conditions were ended.
[38:07.760 -> 38:12.400] And because they started on it early, the FIA found out and they were like,
[38:12.880 -> 38:17.640] sorry, because you started it while it was in Park Fermet conditions.
[38:17.640 -> 38:19.680] We're going to have to rule that to be a third car.
[38:21.480 -> 38:27.560] Was it, was it that, or was it the fact that they had their spare chassis as it was, you know, usually
[38:27.560 -> 38:32.520] the third chassis is in an air freight box or a truck at a European circuit built up.
[38:32.520 -> 38:35.280] But either way, that just doesn't make any sense that you get penalized.
[38:35.280 -> 38:39.960] I understand that you can't have like a third car ready to go because that makes no sense.
[38:39.960 -> 38:43.880] When they wanted, they basically made it, it has to be effectively a bare tub with no
[38:43.880 -> 38:45.160] suspension I think, and the fuel cell can be in it. They wanted, they basically made it, it has to be effectively a bare tub with no suspension,
[38:45.160 -> 38:48.060] I think, and the fuel cell can be in it.
[38:48.060 -> 38:50.120] And some of the fuel system components that have to be installed.
[38:50.120 -> 38:56.560] And I think what is basically, you start with a bare tub and the mechanics have to build
[38:56.560 -> 38:57.700] that thing up overnight.
[38:57.700 -> 38:58.700] And that's mental.
[38:58.700 -> 39:01.360] And, you know, there's all the curfews and everything else.
[39:01.360 -> 39:06.560] So it was a, it's an absolute mad dash to build a car, get all the sensors
[39:06.560 -> 39:10.200] plugged in, plumb the engine, prime all the radiators, check the fuel.
[39:10.200 -> 39:14.520] So that's a, that's a, any repairs like that are a mammoth task.
[39:14.520 -> 39:18.680] And, and, uh, the mechanics in the series are not paid well enough to
[39:19.720 -> 39:20.720] perform at that kind of level.
[39:20.720 -> 39:22.200] I think they all wanted an early night.
[39:22.400 -> 39:26.160] Um, so they, they started on it early.
[39:26.160 -> 39:29.400] Is there a four floors in Japan?
[39:29.400 -> 39:32.640] I don't know, maybe, who knows.
[39:32.640 -> 39:34.760] I'm not going there.
[39:34.760 -> 39:38.360] But yeah, pitlane start and a 10 second penalty before you're even rolling.
[39:38.360 -> 39:43.040] But speaking of third cars, you're about Gasly's third leg and did you see what the Alpine
[39:43.040 -> 39:44.040] admin did?
[39:44.040 -> 39:46.640] Oh god, this is this.
[39:46.640 -> 39:49.360] Is this this deleted tweet that I saw?
[39:49.360 -> 39:50.360] Yes.
[39:50.360 -> 39:53.720] And it was making some reference to his nickname being tripod or something.
[39:53.720 -> 39:55.840] And I was like, Jesus Christ.
[39:55.840 -> 39:56.840] Yeah.
[39:56.840 -> 39:59.720] So basically there was a, you know, a caption.
[39:59.720 -> 40:11.080] It says, I can feel something in the cockpit in between my feet. And the Alpine admin goes tripod Gasly trademark or TM quoting that image of that
[40:11.080 -> 40:11.360] thing.
[40:11.360 -> 40:13.200] I'm like, wow.
[40:14.440 -> 40:18.400] I mean, admin forgot that that was the Alpine account.
[40:19.400 -> 40:23.280] Yeah, that was, yeah, that was a personal account tweet that someone actually did
[40:23.280 -> 40:24.120] in the company tweet.
[40:24.880 -> 40:27.400] Yeah. I mean, it was, it was a personal account tweet that someone actually did on a company tweet. Yeah, I mean it was bold.
[40:27.400 -> 40:31.880] To be fair, when he said that everybody had a little snicker like, huh, huh, but Alpine
[40:31.880 -> 40:35.480] admin said what everybody was thinking.
[40:35.480 -> 40:37.160] Can't do that.
[40:37.160 -> 40:38.160] You can't do that.
[40:38.160 -> 40:39.160] No.
[40:39.160 -> 40:44.620] And that's why we're not allowed to run corporate accounts.
[40:44.620 -> 40:45.600] You know what?
[40:45.600 -> 40:51.020] There's actually, I don't know this person, I don't know who it is, but there is an account
[40:51.020 -> 40:54.140] called Paddock Memes on Instagram.
[40:54.140 -> 40:59.920] I don't know who it is, but that shit is really funny and really relevant, and it's definitely
[40:59.920 -> 41:03.680] from somebody inside of the traveling circus, and I highly recommend it.
[41:03.680 -> 41:05.920] I've not heard that one,. I have to check that out.
[41:05.920 -> 41:12.800] It's good. It's really good. But yeah, let's talk about the Japanese Grand Prix.
[41:14.240 -> 41:17.840] Let's start with a little bit of strategy expectations.
[41:17.840 -> 41:23.520] C123, second step from the hardest compounds. Japan's big high demand,
[41:23.520 -> 41:26.900] bold circuit, lots of cornering, high speed, some traction.
[41:26.900 -> 41:28.000] It's got everything.
[41:28.000 -> 41:30.840] Did I tell you that I like Suzuka a lot, Dan?
[41:30.840 -> 41:34.120] No, this is completely brand new information to me.
[41:34.120 -> 41:34.960] Yeah.
[41:36.120 -> 41:37.400] But long story short,
[41:37.400 -> 41:38.760] it looked like it was gonna be a two-stop
[41:38.760 -> 41:39.960] focused on the medium hard.
[41:39.960 -> 41:42.080] And once you saw what tires people had left
[41:42.080 -> 41:44.560] after qualifying, it became very clear.
[41:44.560 -> 41:47.480] Red Bull and Ferrari only had one new hard and two new mediums.
[41:47.480 -> 41:49.960] Verstappen had three new mediums.
[41:49.960 -> 41:53.240] Didn't really feature.
[41:53.240 -> 41:57.560] But Clarint and Mercedes, however, two new mediums and one new hard.
[41:57.560 -> 42:03.400] And then a few of the slower cars from, you know, the top six or seven drivers back decided
[42:03.400 -> 42:05.440] they wanted to start on the soft, including Alonso.
[42:06.320 -> 42:10.400] Spoiler alert, soft was not the start tire, man.
[42:10.400 -> 42:12.560] Yeah, that seems a bit of a brave play to me.
[42:13.200 -> 42:16.480] But it's just like one of those things, like degradation is super high around Suzuka.
[42:16.480 -> 42:20.320] And I'm not at any point saying that I'm more clever than these people
[42:20.320 -> 42:22.880] running strategy on teams, these guys are not jokers, but
[42:23.760 -> 42:27.960] it became very clear very quickly that that was not the play, and it's like you know if
[42:27.960 -> 42:32.800] you had a very early early we did have what we had an instant safety car, not very many
[42:32.800 -> 42:33.800] people boxed off it.
[42:33.800 -> 42:37.320] They're like not lap zero, but like if you had like a lap 5 safety car that could have
[42:37.320 -> 42:38.320] come in.
[42:38.320 -> 42:45.600] Kind of clutch and you could bolt on bolt a hard on for a little bit, you know. Bolt a hard on.
[42:46.880 -> 42:50.320] But yeah, let's talk about the race though.
[42:50.320 -> 42:51.200] What do we got?
[42:51.200 -> 42:52.880] What are we thinking about the race start, man?
[42:52.880 -> 42:53.280] That was.
[42:54.640 -> 42:57.040] Yep, classic, classic chaos.
[42:58.480 -> 43:00.880] But it was like we had a couple groups of sandwiches,
[43:00.880 -> 43:03.440] like people trying to go three cars into two
[43:03.440 -> 43:04.880] and like people outright.
[43:05.000 -> 43:05.560] Perez got fully sandwiched there. groups of sandwiches, like people trying to go three cars into two and like people outright.
[43:07.520 -> 43:07.540] Perez got fully sandwiched there.
[43:16.280 -> 43:16.360] Like I felt like he was kind of trying to keep it clean and he gets sandwiched hard and gives Hamilton a little tag.
[43:17.520 -> 43:17.600] Yeah, I was OK.
[43:21.480 -> 43:26.320] I watched it again this morning and I think at the time I was just like, oh, God's sake, praise. But then watching it back this morning, I like, actually, I don't really, I think he was just a passenger in all that really.
[43:26.320 -> 43:27.640] It wasn't really much else you could have done.
[43:28.560 -> 43:28.960] Yeah.
[43:29.960 -> 43:30.920] That wasn't too crazy.
[43:30.920 -> 43:32.920] Do you see Albon's car get airborne though?
[43:32.920 -> 43:34.360] Once he went full wheel to wheels.
[43:34.400 -> 43:34.920] Yeah.
[43:34.920 -> 43:35.160] Yeah.
[43:35.160 -> 43:37.400] I saw him try to do a kick flip down the main straight.
[43:37.840 -> 43:38.160] Yeah.
[43:38.200 -> 43:38.440] Yeah.
[43:38.440 -> 43:40.600] He a Tony Hawk pro skater again.
[43:40.800 -> 43:42.640] Is that our second skateboarding reference tonight?
[43:42.680 -> 43:43.200] It is.
[43:44.320 -> 43:47.680] Fucking nerd.
[43:47.680 -> 43:50.520] Yeah, Paris.
[43:50.520 -> 43:54.800] Right, so there's basically it goes.
[43:54.800 -> 43:59.720] I'm trying to recall the race properly, so there's a early safety car to clean up all
[43:59.720 -> 44:03.320] the shit on the race start.
[44:03.320 -> 44:11.000] And then. What what what happens man?
[44:11.000 -> 44:15.040] It's a blur to me now, honestly.
[44:15.040 -> 44:19.280] Later on in the race, so there's the restart.
[44:19.280 -> 44:22.560] Yeah, Max Max just.
[44:22.560 -> 44:26.000] He parks everybody in the chicane, so the accordion up and back up and just yeets it
[44:26.000 -> 44:27.840] through the chicane.
[44:27.840 -> 44:33.240] And he's way ahead quickly and it does a good job to break DRS on everybody pretty quickly.
[44:33.240 -> 44:35.860] They don't get a chance once they deploy that.
[44:35.860 -> 44:38.200] But then Perez has the.
[44:38.200 -> 44:43.520] Yeah, he gets pinged for a five second penalty on investigation because during the safety
[44:43.520 -> 44:48.160] car he comes into the pit well on the TV replay
[44:48.160 -> 44:54.340] He comes out of the pit, but he comes out at like basically full speed while everyone's still at like safety car speed
[44:54.540 -> 44:56.540] It's just like what?
[44:56.700 -> 45:01.160] He overtakes like four different cars, and you're just like what the fuck's going on here
[45:01.160 -> 45:05.840] And then you sort of see him realize our fuck this up here. I've gone into sort of default mode.
[45:07.800 -> 45:09.600] And then he lets people past
[45:09.600 -> 45:11.000] and then he gets like pinged for a penalty.
[45:11.000 -> 45:12.120] And you think, well,
[45:12.120 -> 45:14.000] and I think the F1 TV comment
[45:14.000 -> 45:15.040] commentator said at the time,
[45:15.040 -> 45:16.320] like, that's a bit harsh,
[45:16.320 -> 45:17.360] because he let as soon as
[45:17.360 -> 45:18.320] you realize what you've done,
[45:18.320 -> 45:19.600] he'd let them all back past.
[45:21.000 -> 45:22.960] And the trick to the trick to that is
[45:23.600 -> 45:26.580] you're not bound by the safety car delta in the pit
[45:26.580 -> 45:28.220] lane, so.
[45:28.220 -> 45:33.740] The pit lane speed limiter was off at that point, and you're actually racing for position
[45:33.740 -> 45:37.860] to the safety car line, and there's not a speed limit on track.
[45:37.860 -> 45:39.460] You can't overtake on track, but it was.
[45:39.460 -> 45:40.460] He was like, you know what?
[45:40.460 -> 45:45.260] I'm going to haul ass once the pit limiter is off and try to be as head of as many cars
[45:45.260 -> 45:48.860] as possible at the safety car line and just give the positions back if I overshoot.
[45:48.860 -> 45:49.860] Yes.
[45:49.860 -> 45:51.400] But that wasn't the problem was there?
[45:51.400 -> 45:52.400] No, this was not the issue.
[45:52.400 -> 45:57.400] The issue was is that when he came into the pit entry, he just went full speed into the
[45:57.400 -> 46:02.040] pit lane and then like overtook Alonso as he was coming into the pits.
[46:02.040 -> 46:04.480] And I was just like, oh, well done.
[46:04.480 -> 46:05.280] Good for you.
[46:05.280 -> 46:06.280] Cheers lad.
[46:06.280 -> 46:07.280] Oh yeah.
[46:07.280 -> 46:14.640] And then Sergeant, what, goes bowling, knocks Bottas out.
[46:14.640 -> 46:22.280] Yeah, Sergeant turns into a Hellfire missile and performs a drone strike on Bottas with
[46:22.280 -> 46:25.800] a very ambitious maneuver.
[46:29.800 -> 46:30.800] Yeah, and then Perez racks up how many five second penalties?
[46:31.200 -> 46:32.000] Two?
[46:32.400 -> 46:32.800] Three?
[46:37.000 -> 46:37.700] By this point, I think he's still only on the one at this point.
[46:43.300 -> 46:45.000] Okay, so the other thing is Perez didn't somehow jacks up his car and gets himself another five second penalty
[46:45.000 -> 46:46.480] after serving one of them.
[46:46.480 -> 46:47.480] Um.
[46:47.480 -> 46:49.480] Yeah, that was nice.
[46:49.480 -> 46:54.180] No, I'm getting confused now, because yeah, he got the five second penalty for the safety
[46:54.180 -> 46:55.180] car infringement.
[46:55.180 -> 46:56.180] Yeah.
[46:56.180 -> 47:01.200] He comes in, changes his front wing again.
[47:01.200 -> 47:03.760] Yeah, he's still in there.
[47:03.760 -> 47:06.700] After getting the five second penalty from when he changed it the first time?
[47:06.800 -> 47:07.100] Yeah.
[47:07.100 -> 47:07.400] Yeah.
[47:08.500 -> 47:15.800] Perez was he was on one but I mean, he's got a yeah, the safety
[47:15.800 -> 47:16.500] car thing.
[47:16.900 -> 47:17.400] I get it.
[47:17.400 -> 47:18.300] You can't be doing that.
[47:18.300 -> 47:21.700] I get it the dive bomb on Magnuson.
[47:22.700 -> 47:27.500] That was just like it was, so low percentage move.
[47:27.500 -> 47:28.360] It was so bad.
[47:29.060 -> 47:30.220] Unfortunately, though,
[47:30.220 -> 47:34.580] It's almost like a carbon copy of his move on Alvin in Singapore, the race before.
[47:35.220 -> 47:35.580] Yeah.
[47:35.700 -> 47:39.220] Just like a sort of Hail Mary from about four car lengths back.
[47:39.260 -> 47:40.820] And yeah.
[47:41.540 -> 47:41.860] Yeah.
[47:41.900 -> 47:45.160] So, uh, so there's a VSC after that.
[47:45.160 -> 47:51.440] I believe that that whole sequence of ding dong and knocking shit around causes the VSC.
[47:51.440 -> 47:52.440] And then on the way in.
[47:52.440 -> 47:58.200] Norris ends up losing like 10 seconds coming up behind Paris, who's like going slow because
[47:58.200 -> 48:01.160] he thinks his car is fucked and Norris is like, what do I do?
[48:01.160 -> 48:03.320] And he just eventually just seems to drive.
[48:03.320 -> 48:10.080] Yeah, he loses 10 seconds. Piastri was one of the few drivers to stop during that VSC period, I think.
[48:10.400 -> 48:13.840] Yeah, I think he entered the pit lane and just as he sort of entered the pit lane,
[48:13.840 -> 48:17.120] the VSC was called and it was just like, time to perfection.
[48:17.560 -> 48:22.240] But it was only like a partial VSC, it didn't even last a full lap.
[48:22.240 -> 48:26.480] So it's one of those, it's like, it's just perfectly timing but didn't really help out
[48:26.480 -> 48:30.480] Piastri's race at all.
[48:30.480 -> 48:31.480] At all.
[48:31.480 -> 48:36.100] I like I especially liked around the Alonzo's first stop his getting thrown to the lions
[48:36.100 -> 48:40.660] comment it's like he started on the soft and he gets ends up pitting around all the shit
[48:40.660 -> 48:41.660] fight cars.
[48:41.660 -> 48:45.680] It just doesn't have a chance, honestly.
[48:47.640 -> 48:51.600] Yeah, and around this time, we got our first sort of Georgian Lewis having a ding dong.
[48:54.200 -> 48:57.040] Yeah, I was here for it.
[48:57.040 -> 48:59.000] I love that spice between the drivers.
[49:00.000 -> 49:02.840] But classic line, he's like,
[49:02.840 -> 49:04.760] who are we fighting, ourselves or the others?
[49:04.760 -> 49:07.000] But so at this point, let's put it in context.
[49:07.800 -> 49:09.800] They are both on the same strategy.
[49:10.900 -> 49:12.500] And Russell's getting a little bit feisty.
[49:12.500 -> 49:13.700] He's like, I'm coming through.
[49:14.200 -> 49:18.700] But he outside of Hamilton at Spoon, turn 13.
[49:19.400 -> 49:23.800] And Hamilton just runs him off the track or he defends very hard.
[49:24.500 -> 49:28.440] Yeah, I said Lewis reminds George who won seven championships.
[49:28.440 -> 49:30.080] Yeah, exactly.
[49:30.080 -> 49:35.280] It wasn't quite Brazil turn four levels of Max Verstappen running somebody off the track
[49:35.280 -> 49:37.680] and I'm sorry, understeering off the track.
[49:37.680 -> 49:39.240] I'm sorry.
[49:39.240 -> 49:43.920] But it was, it was, it was fully off and no further investigation on that.
[49:43.920 -> 49:45.920] But yeah, he's like, I've got seven
[49:45.920 -> 49:46.920] of these.
[49:46.920 -> 49:47.920] I can do this all day.
[49:47.920 -> 49:48.920] Oh dear.
[49:48.920 -> 49:53.440] But there was, them two were heated this weekend.
[49:53.440 -> 49:54.440] Yeah.
[49:54.440 -> 49:57.760] I don't necessarily think Lewis was.
[49:57.760 -> 50:02.840] I think George is just like, like last week in Max came into this possessed as usual,
[50:02.840 -> 50:03.840] I guess.
[50:03.840 -> 50:07.180] And George is like, I absolutely bozoed it last week and I need to make up for
[50:07.180 -> 50:09.120] this and I'll show them, I'll show them.
[50:09.180 -> 50:12.160] And he's got a fighter spirit, a fighter spirit.
[50:12.720 -> 50:13.040] Yeah.
[50:13.040 -> 50:17.640] And I think perhaps maybe FOM played up a bit to this by selectively broadcasting
[50:17.640 -> 50:22.280] a few radio messages where George was like, Oh, I played the team game.
[50:22.280 -> 50:31.060] Now you can get Lewis to give me DRS. And then they got, um, Lewis and George to invert, but then Carlos, I think it
[50:31.060 -> 50:33.160] was instantaneously goes past George.
[50:33.160 -> 50:35.160] And then Lewis was just like, well, that was a waste of time.
[50:36.440 -> 50:40.360] I was just like, Oh God.
[50:40.400 -> 50:41.560] We've got another one.
[50:41.640 -> 50:46.800] Uh, Autosport posted something this morning about the longest pit stops ever.
[50:48.200 -> 50:51.000] Yeah, who took who successfully took the second place?
[50:51.800 -> 50:55.840] Perez for 43 minute pit stop before he retires the car.
[50:56.560 -> 51:00.600] What the absolute fuck was this about?
[51:01.240 -> 51:04.680] I was I didn't know this was a thing.
[51:04.680 -> 51:05.320] this about. I was, I didn't know this was a thing.
[51:09.920 -> 51:13.760] I, as soon as I saw Perez getting back into the car in the pit lane and in the garage, I was like, hey, I can't do this.
[51:13.760 -> 51:14.280] Surely.
[51:14.760 -> 51:19.680] But no, apparently it's a rule that has been in place since 1950 and it's never
[51:19.680 -> 51:20.400] been changed.
[51:21.000 -> 51:21.360] Yeah.
[51:22.160 -> 51:25.360] But the thing is, I's the differentiating thing.
[51:25.360 -> 51:30.780] A lot of people, obviously people upset that Red Bull could unretire the car.
[51:30.780 -> 51:36.040] There's no formal process for retiring a car like in Andreas, one of our buddies in chat
[51:36.040 -> 51:40.780] suggested in like other series, you know, once in an endurance race, you'll write something
[51:40.780 -> 51:45.200] to the officiating body to say, we're retiring this car officially.
[51:45.200 -> 51:46.880] There's nothing like that exists in Formula One
[51:46.880 -> 51:47.720] as far as I'm aware.
[51:47.720 -> 51:49.520] So there was a very big difference
[51:49.520 -> 51:52.560] between asking the FIA for permission
[51:52.560 -> 51:55.120] and clarifying your interpretation of the rules.
[51:55.120 -> 51:57.720] Red Bull were like, yeah,
[51:57.720 -> 51:59.920] we're pretty sure we can reenter this car, right?
[51:59.920 -> 52:01.480] Or like go back out on the track.
[52:01.480 -> 52:03.000] And FIA were like, yeah,
[52:03.000 -> 52:04.280] there are no rules that prevent that.
[52:04.280 -> 52:06.700] And they're like, good, we read the rule book. And they, good, we read the rule book and they're like, yes, you did.
[52:06.700 -> 52:07.480] And I'm like, thank you.
[52:08.100 -> 52:09.600] Continue, continue doing your thing.
[52:10.080 -> 52:12.560] But why, why did they even do this?
[52:12.720 -> 52:12.960] Right.
[52:12.960 -> 52:13.800] So, right.
[52:13.880 -> 52:18.920] The reason they did this, we know now or whatever is because they wanted to, I
[52:18.920 -> 52:22.600] think as soon as Perez got into the box and they wheeled him back into the garage,
[52:22.600 -> 52:25.200] it was either very soon after or before
[52:29.040 -> 52:34.400] he got pinged with the five second penalty and they were like, oh shit, we had not served it, so we're going to take it as a grid drop for next race. Not necessarily, the stewards,
[52:34.400 -> 52:39.040] it's at their discretion whether or not to apply a time penalty at the next race.
[52:40.480 -> 52:44.480] I think the stewards would have thrown the book at him, he'd dive bomb Magnussen off the track.
[52:44.480 -> 52:46.700] But like you could have also said, Magnussen's not scoring any points.
[52:46.700 -> 52:47.400] Fuck off, mate.
[52:47.400 -> 52:50.000] Oh dear.
[52:50.000 -> 52:53.400] All 12 Haas fans have now tuned out.
[52:53.400 -> 52:54.600] I like Haas.
[52:54.600 -> 52:57.100] I like Magnussen.
[52:57.100 -> 52:57.900] I like Hulkenberg.
[52:57.900 -> 53:01.600] I know I'm going to massively contradict everything we've talked about,
[53:01.600 -> 53:08.720] but I believe FIA, if they do follow their consistency, I think five seconds when it gets carried over translates to
[53:08.720 -> 53:17.520] a three-place grid drop. Yeah. Yeah. So, they send Checo out, he's like what 16
[53:17.520 -> 53:21.780] laps down or something ridiculous. He sits in the car for ages and we find out
[53:21.780 -> 53:25.800] that's because Jonathan Wheatley, God bless him, if, listen,
[53:25.800 -> 53:28.120] if I'm ever in court, I want him to be my lawyer.
[53:28.120 -> 53:30.400] Yeah, send it.
[53:30.400 -> 53:33.440] He's talking to the FIA basically saying, look, we're going to send the car back out
[53:33.440 -> 53:35.360] for the sole purpose of serving the penalty.
[53:35.360 -> 53:36.360] Can we do that?
[53:36.360 -> 53:38.640] So obviously they got permission.
[53:38.640 -> 53:40.120] They send the car out.
[53:40.120 -> 53:41.120] He does.
[53:41.120 -> 53:42.960] I'm sure at first, they're like, you can't do that.
[53:42.960 -> 53:46.400] And he's like, well, everybody at looked at the factories, look through the rules.
[53:46.440 -> 53:47.200] I don't see anything.
[53:47.200 -> 53:48.080] They don't see anything.
[53:48.280 -> 53:49.560] So unless you can find something.
[53:50.480 -> 53:50.720] Yeah.
[53:50.760 -> 53:51.680] He's gone back out, mate.
[53:52.200 -> 53:52.400] Yeah.
[53:52.400 -> 53:53.440] So he goes back out.
[53:53.600 -> 53:56.600] Uh, he serves his penalty and then they come back in and retire the car.
[53:56.880 -> 53:57.200] Right.
[53:57.960 -> 53:58.360] So.
[53:59.960 -> 54:05.000] Why, why have they gone and put extra mileage on the car?
[54:07.320 -> 54:08.800] Why have they done all this
[54:08.800 -> 54:11.140] for the sake of a three place grid drop?
[54:11.140 -> 54:14.120] The only logical thing I can think about
[54:15.200 -> 54:16.520] is that they don't think Perez
[54:16.520 -> 54:19.040] is gonna finish P2 in the championship.
[54:19.040 -> 54:21.660] And they need to do everything they can
[54:22.800 -> 54:25.160] to not get him any grid place drops or anything like
[54:25.160 -> 54:26.160] that.
[54:26.160 -> 54:31.600] That is the only logical conclusion that I can come up with of why they would do that.
[54:31.600 -> 54:32.960] I would put it to you the other way.
[54:32.960 -> 54:34.640] They're absolutely pushing on all fronts.
[54:34.640 -> 54:36.120] They're not leaving anything on the table.
[54:36.120 -> 54:41.360] If your driver has something to gain, Max has won the Max has got world drivers championship.
[54:41.360 -> 54:43.240] No, he will do soon.
[54:43.240 -> 54:44.920] They've got constructors.
[54:44.920 -> 54:46.040] They want to maximize the results.
[54:46.040 -> 54:46.640] There's no point.
[54:46.640 -> 54:49.120] Like there's, if you're going to go race and there's no point in
[54:49.120 -> 54:51.360] leaving stuff on the table, if you could do it, why would you not?
[54:51.520 -> 54:52.480] It's my take on that.
[54:53.280 -> 54:54.080] I would do it every day.
[54:54.520 -> 54:55.000] I wouldn't.
[54:55.360 -> 54:56.400] I don't see the point.
[54:56.400 -> 54:57.240] I'll take the grid drop.
[54:58.480 -> 55:00.200] You're putting extra mileage on your car.
[55:00.240 -> 55:03.320] What if he goes out and I don't know, somebody.
[55:03.760 -> 55:05.420] Ram, let's say, I don't know, was Sargent
[55:05.420 -> 55:06.420] still in the race at that point?
[55:06.420 -> 55:07.420] I said, I'm not going to pick on him.
[55:07.420 -> 55:08.420] It's unfair to pick on Sargent.
[55:08.420 -> 55:09.420] I'm sorry.
[55:09.420 -> 55:10.420] I didn't mean to do that.
[55:10.420 -> 55:15.420] I'm saying, oh, if someone just rammed into the back of Perez on one of those laps he
[55:15.420 -> 55:19.500] did and that's it, you've just knocked out a PU, you've knocked out a gearbox.
[55:19.500 -> 55:23.260] I would take the risk because I think the probability of it was so low.
[55:23.260 -> 55:26.520] For the sake of a free place grid drop, you'd put extra mileage on the car.
[55:26.520 -> 55:32.680] Yeah, because if that means Perez gains or loses a position in the Drivers' Championship,
[55:32.680 -> 55:33.680] I would do it.
[55:33.680 -> 55:37.520] Nobody gives a shit about the Drivers' Championship except for P1, but he probably does.
[55:37.520 -> 55:42.320] His contract in terms of performance clauses probably does.
[55:42.320 -> 55:45.200] If there are any, like all drivers have performance clauses in their contract
[55:45.200 -> 55:47.720] that go cover them and the team. Maybe not.
[55:47.720 -> 55:54.400] That's usually though, if you've not, if the car's not competitive, you're allowed to leave.
[55:54.400 -> 55:59.980] Not we're going to do everything we can to make sure you finish P2 by completely abusing
[55:59.980 -> 56:03.720] the fuck out of one of the rules to unretire you for a five second penalty.
[56:03.720 -> 56:06.680] I still don't, I don't even think it's rules abuse.
[56:06.680 -> 56:07.680] It's like literally.
[56:07.680 -> 56:08.680] I don't think it's rules abuse.
[56:08.680 -> 56:12.040] I think it's incredible interpretation of the rules.
[56:12.040 -> 56:13.480] And I'm all for that.
[56:13.480 -> 56:16.000] Yeah, I think I would do it all day.
[56:16.000 -> 56:21.200] I would, I would, if I could remove the chance, not that they weren't sure he was even going
[56:21.200 -> 56:25.520] to be applied, but if I could remove the chance that a driver could have a three grid place penalty for
[56:25.520 -> 56:29.720] the next event, there's no reason I would never not do that.
[56:29.720 -> 56:32.520] I would do it all day.
[56:32.520 -> 56:34.960] Fair enough.
[56:34.960 -> 56:38.360] Even if it was like fucking Rainbow Road and you had to send him out with a wonky car to
[56:38.360 -> 56:43.480] stay on Rainbow Road and not get yeeted into the abyss.
[56:43.480 -> 56:48.440] My conspiracy, not conspiracy theory hat, but my hat, whatever you want to call it,
[56:48.440 -> 56:55.880] is that I think the team have got no faith in Checo being able to finish P2 in the standings.
[56:55.880 -> 57:02.800] And if you don't finish P2 in the standings in the RB19, it's not a good look, is it?
[57:02.800 -> 57:03.800] I mean.
[57:03.800 -> 57:05.680] I think the look is already established.
[57:05.680 -> 57:07.120] You know, it's not been easy.
[57:07.120 -> 57:10.080] He's had a really tough season.
[57:10.080 -> 57:16.600] Went from neck and neck in the drivers, first couple of races to on the struggle bus in
[57:16.600 -> 57:20.400] terms of results, performances, qualifying, everything, man.
[57:20.400 -> 57:23.360] Here's an interesting thing someone in chat has mentioned, and I remember seeing it on
[57:23.360 -> 57:24.360] Twitter.
[57:24.360 -> 57:29.800] If Checo, when he was unretired and was was out there, and then there was a red flag or a
[57:29.800 -> 57:34.280] safety car, would he be allowed to unlap himself 16 times?
[57:34.280 -> 57:35.280] That's a really good question.
[57:35.280 -> 57:36.280] I do not know.
[57:36.280 -> 57:41.000] I think it would be one.
[57:41.000 -> 57:42.000] You could do maybe, I don't know.
[57:42.000 -> 57:43.000] I don't know the rules.
[57:43.000 -> 57:44.440] I'm not even going to make, you know what?
[57:44.440 -> 57:46.360] I don't even want to know about Formula 1 rules.
[57:46.360 -> 57:50.120] I'll let somebody I'll let I'll just ask Jonathan because he apparently knows all of them.
[57:50.120 -> 57:51.120] True, yeah.
[57:51.120 -> 57:57.600] Like so that was a little bit of a disjointed race and I'll give you guys a couple of highlights
[57:57.600 -> 57:59.040] from my race report.
[57:59.040 -> 58:01.480] It's like literal literal bullet points.
[58:01.480 -> 58:04.040] McLaren, let's go through the results.
[58:04.040 -> 58:06.720] McLaren double podium's go through the results. McLaren double podium, two and three.
[58:06.720 -> 58:10.320] Piastri looked on a struggle bus the entire race.
[58:10.320 -> 58:16.640] He was noticeably slower than Norris in the first stint and then on the hard in the second
[58:16.640 -> 58:20.800] and third stint, his pace was not excellent whatsoever.
[58:20.800 -> 58:31.640] But honestly, a pretty good race for them. Nothing really crazy at all other than Norris losing 10 seconds behind the VSC to Checo.
[58:31.640 -> 58:34.080] Oops, sorry, mate.
[58:34.080 -> 58:37.080] Mercedes, let's talk about Russell.
[58:37.080 -> 58:40.120] Mercedes was on.
[58:40.120 -> 58:44.120] It looks like they were plan A was medium hard, hard to stop.
[58:44.120 -> 58:47.880] And Russell, once he gets up next to Lewis, he's like, alright guys, I'm gonna go along.
[58:48.160 -> 58:54.280] The reason Russell wants to do that is he knows for a fact he's not beating Russell
[58:54.320 -> 58:56.840] or he's not beating Hamilton on the same strategy.
[58:57.320 -> 59:00.600] Hamilton is similar pace to him on the first stint.
[59:00.840 -> 59:02.880] They were more or less following each other.
[59:03.240 -> 59:06.240] They were fairly well matched inaced this weekend in the race.
[59:06.760 -> 59:09.720] However, Russell's like, you know, I want to do something different.
[59:10.280 -> 59:11.440] We'll try it and maybe it'll pay off.
[59:11.440 -> 59:13.000] He says, I'm going to go long on my medium.
[59:13.280 -> 59:16.760] You know, if he got, if he got another safety car around his pit window, when
[59:16.760 -> 59:19.000] he could do 30, 35 laps on the hard.
[59:19.800 -> 59:20.240] Great.
[59:20.320 -> 59:21.660] He wins out over Lewis.
[59:21.720 -> 59:26.200] Otherwise he doesn't ultimately, uh, he doesn't. Ultimately he didn't.
[59:26.200 -> 59:27.480] I liked this though.
[59:27.480 -> 59:32.520] I liked the split strategy and I think it's something they should have tried in Singapore.
[59:32.520 -> 59:38.560] I wonder if this was a lesson learned from Singapore where they decided to double stop
[59:38.560 -> 59:39.560] them both in Singapore.
[59:39.560 -> 59:43.520] And I was like, did you really need to do it to both cars?
[59:43.520 -> 59:46.000] But yeah, I don't know.
[59:46.000 -> 59:47.000] I liked his decision.
[59:47.000 -> 59:48.000] Yeah.
[59:48.000 -> 59:49.000] Yeah.
[59:49.000 -> 59:50.000] I liked it too.
[59:50.000 -> 59:53.400] And it's interesting because George was like, I'd like to stay out.
[59:53.400 -> 59:56.580] And they were like, and he, you know, they had the conversation, is it viable or not?
[59:56.580 -> 59:59.060] And numerically, yes, it was viable.
[59:59.060 -> 01:00:03.040] But as soon as he got under pressure from Hamilton, he burned up rear tires at the end
[01:00:03.040 -> 01:00:04.340] of the race.
[01:00:04.340 -> 01:00:10.240] If he had had a little bit more pace in hand once he was clear of Hamilton, this would have worked
[01:00:10.240 -> 01:00:15.120] a little bit better because as he would have had more advantage, but Hamilton what finished
[01:00:15.120 -> 01:00:20.640] just above 10 seconds ahead of him. It's not crazy to think if Lewis had maybe out qualified
[01:00:20.640 -> 01:00:24.960] Hamilton, he would have been in slightly better position to go long, but then he would have
[01:00:24.960 -> 01:00:29.200] been doing the prime strategy. And as we look further at Ferrari strategy,
[01:00:29.200 -> 01:00:34.640] whoever stops first, usually you get a little bit of a hand there, I think.
[01:00:34.640 -> 01:00:54.400] So now the strategy at the end of the race, they're using my trick on me, referring to the Singapore DRS for science toad Norris along to keep out of out of the clutches of the Mercedes. I think letting
[01:00:54.400 -> 01:01:01.280] Hamilton through was the best choice, but I think also Hamilton defending to science
[01:01:01.280 -> 01:01:07.660] could have worked because Russell's tires were completely shot in traction and he had no drive out of the final chicane.
[01:01:07.660 -> 01:01:10.760] And that's, you know, as soon as signs pulls up to him, it's done.
[01:01:10.760 -> 01:01:13.200] He's going straight past him as soon as that happened.
[01:01:13.200 -> 01:01:16.980] I think that Hamilton could have defended that better because Hamilton had enough grip
[01:01:16.980 -> 01:01:21.200] to back signs up in the chicane and drive out of the chicane and pull a gap so that
[01:01:21.200 -> 01:01:23.240] he wasn't as vulnerable.
[01:01:23.240 -> 01:01:25.760] But let's talk about the options.
[01:01:26.160 -> 01:01:28.360] Mercedes finished 5-7.
[01:01:28.800 -> 01:01:31.840] They get outscored by Ferrari by four points.
[01:01:32.040 -> 01:01:35.280] Now, let's say that Hamilton.
[01:01:36.480 -> 01:01:41.400] Tries to hold up and then he overtakes Russell at the end and they, you know,
[01:01:41.440 -> 01:01:45.380] they get an advantage over signs, That would have been a small advantage,
[01:01:45.380 -> 01:01:49.320] but if that goes wrong and they both get overtaken by signs,
[01:01:49.320 -> 01:01:51.460] they get outscored by eight points
[01:01:51.460 -> 01:01:52.900] and they are racing Mercedes
[01:01:52.900 -> 01:01:54.220] in the Constructors' Championship.
[01:01:54.220 -> 01:01:55.580] I just don't feel like it was a risk.
[01:01:55.580 -> 01:01:57.060] It's like, you know what, Russell,
[01:01:57.060 -> 01:01:58.460] you made your bet on the one stop.
[01:01:58.460 -> 01:01:59.300] It didn't work out.
[01:01:59.300 -> 01:02:01.620] You didn't have enough pace to make it viable.
[01:02:01.620 -> 01:02:02.980] Hamilton is fast.
[01:02:02.980 -> 01:02:04.620] Signs will not get him.
[01:02:04.620 -> 01:02:06.220] Get Hamilton through, get it done.
[01:02:08.220 -> 01:02:09.100] That was my take on it.
[01:02:11.260 -> 01:02:11.820] Yeah.
[01:02:11.820 -> 01:02:15.500] I think signs was just going to go past the main way.
[01:02:17.380 -> 01:02:17.620] Yeah.
[01:02:17.620 -> 01:02:19.200] George, George made his bed.
[01:02:19.200 -> 01:02:20.780] I think it was, it was a good drive.
[01:02:20.860 -> 01:02:24.420] I think it was a good drive by Russell, but Hamilton on the two
[01:02:24.420 -> 01:02:29.680] stop was a better strategy. Just. Yeah, I like they tried it though. Yeah, it was. It was good
[01:02:29.680 -> 01:02:33.120] to see because it gave us something interesting to look forward to what's going to happen,
[01:02:33.120 -> 01:02:40.040] what's going to happen. And despite Max fucking off in the distance by 20 seconds, we got
[01:02:40.040 -> 01:02:50.340] to, we got some interesting variety and I think the Ferrari is another interesting one. Just before we get into that though, sorry, I'm just going to say, one thing spoiled this
[01:02:50.340 -> 01:02:56.140] race for me and it's related to this and Ferrari and I think McLaren as well.
[01:02:56.140 -> 01:02:59.860] And that was the amount of team orders we heard of people swapping positions and not
[01:02:59.860 -> 01:03:02.220] swapping cars around.
[01:03:02.220 -> 01:03:04.860] If you're quicker, overtake them.
[01:03:04.860 -> 01:03:05.760] Yeah.
[01:03:05.760 -> 01:03:07.360] Well, Russell tried.
[01:03:07.360 -> 01:03:10.880] He just got shadow around.
[01:03:10.880 -> 01:03:12.440] I get it.
[01:03:12.440 -> 01:03:13.440] I'm with it as well.
[01:03:13.440 -> 01:03:18.200] But at the same time, going back to my other hat, you know, like maximizing results.
[01:03:18.200 -> 01:03:22.840] Well, there's basically, it's just constructors points and money to play for right now.
[01:03:22.840 -> 01:03:23.840] Yeah.
[01:03:23.840 -> 01:03:29.060] But look, and look how great it was in Monza when the two Ferraris were basically told
[01:03:29.060 -> 01:03:31.940] we're not ordering you, you two just got to sell this yourselves.
[01:03:32.300 -> 01:03:33.520] Fuck that pissed me off.
[01:03:33.520 -> 01:03:34.740] I was like, you know what Ferrari?
[01:03:34.740 -> 01:03:35.320] Loved it.
[01:03:36.340 -> 01:03:36.780] Yeah.
[01:03:36.780 -> 01:03:42.420] I, I enjoyed it, but it was, it was fucked up to enjoy it because it was me enjoying
[01:03:42.420 -> 01:03:46.960] them fucking themselves over, which is not a positive character trait that I like to embrace.
[01:03:47.560 -> 01:03:51.280] You and I have worked in this sport long enough now where we're quite sadistic
[01:03:51.280 -> 01:03:53.080] about it. All right. And we can be admitted.
[01:03:53.080 -> 01:03:56.120] You can admit that with this podcast is our therapy session.
[01:03:56.120 -> 01:03:59.080] We've already discussed that. We can admit it, Blake.
[01:03:59.360 -> 01:04:03.000] Just admit we like it when teammates argue with each other.
[01:04:03.240 -> 01:04:06.500] We like it when teams have fights on the track.
[01:04:06.500 -> 01:04:07.500] We love it.
[01:04:07.500 -> 01:04:08.000] The drama.
[01:04:08.000 -> 01:04:11.000] Yeah, very, very slutty drama.
[01:04:11.000 -> 01:04:13.000] Oh my God.
[01:04:13.000 -> 01:04:14.000] Oh my God.
[01:04:14.000 -> 01:04:18.500] Oh, but some of the chats just saying talking about team orders.
[01:04:18.500 -> 01:04:20.000] Do you remember Baku 2018?
[01:04:20.000 -> 01:04:22.500] Yeah, rear end Max Verstappen.
[01:04:22.500 -> 01:04:24.500] No, we don't talk about that race.
[01:04:24.500 -> 01:04:27.120] Oh my God. But um, let's let Verstappen. No, we don't talk about that race. Oh my God. But let's
[01:04:27.120 -> 01:04:31.120] talk about Ferrari because it's another they had an interesting race. They were the third
[01:04:31.120 -> 01:04:38.520] fastest team on the track. It was Verstappen is the fastest constructor. It was then McLaren
[01:04:38.520 -> 01:04:42.920] and then Ferrari. Signs in the Claire had very similar similar pace and they did not
[01:04:42.920 -> 01:04:50.680] spend too much time this weekend to burn each other's tires up. The Claire pits ahead of Hamilton somewhere. What
[01:04:50.680 -> 01:04:59.820] is that? Is that around the safety car must be. I'm sorry, it's around lap 20. This graph
[01:04:59.820 -> 01:05:03.220] is throwing me off this week. So look, Claire pits ahead of Hamilton. It sounds like if
[01:05:03.220 -> 01:05:05.040] I've interpreted this correctly,
[01:05:07.680 -> 01:05:09.360] it sounds like they know that Hamilton intended to box that lap. So they covered signs.
[01:05:12.560 -> 01:05:14.640] Stays out a couple more laps,
[01:05:14.640 -> 01:05:18.120] which does not do him any favors whatsoever.
[01:05:18.280 -> 01:05:19.160] This is their second stop.
[01:05:19.160 -> 01:05:21.600] Sorry, this is lap 30.
[01:05:22.760 -> 01:05:24.320] 34, 35.
[01:05:24.320 -> 01:05:26.320] So signs.
[01:05:26.320 -> 01:05:28.440] Signs stays out.
[01:05:28.440 -> 01:05:30.260] And basically he had stopped the next lap.
[01:05:30.260 -> 01:05:34.640] He might have come out just ahead of Hamilton, but he's like.
[01:05:34.640 -> 01:05:39.060] Has Hamilton overcut us or undercut us and they're like, yeah, he's like, I'll just stay
[01:05:39.060 -> 01:05:41.800] out and it's like why?
[01:05:41.800 -> 01:05:44.000] It doesn't make that does that call doesn't make any sense to me.
[01:05:44.000 -> 01:05:46.860] Like maybe he's like, I'll get free air and let them burn up their tires.
[01:05:46.860 -> 01:05:47.380] But it's like,
[01:05:49.500 -> 01:05:53.500] Ferrari probably didn't have time to stack once they knew that Hamilton was boxing.
[01:05:54.500 -> 01:05:58.860] But if they had box signs one lap later, I think signs could have overtaken Hamilton.
[01:05:59.340 -> 01:06:03.260] The Hamilton's top speed without DRS was not great.
[01:06:03.280 -> 01:06:04.140] I think he could have done it.
[01:06:04.540 -> 01:06:04.820] Yeah.
[01:06:04.820 -> 01:06:06.800] They left. They just, he's's just like, leave me out.
[01:06:06.800 -> 01:06:10.080] Matt Walter You look at the lap times and that of
[01:06:12.160 -> 01:06:18.000] signs later in the race and with that extra few laps tire advantage, it doesn't actually translate
[01:06:18.000 -> 01:06:20.880] to any sort of real time gained later in the race. So.
[01:06:20.880 -> 01:06:23.920] Adam Walsh Now it doesn't at all because he's stuck behind Hamilton.
[01:06:23.920 -> 01:06:25.160] Matt Walter Yeah, I think he's stuck behind Hamilton. Yeah.
[01:06:25.200 -> 01:06:27.080] I think he's a, like I say, it's a bit of a gamble.
[01:06:27.120 -> 01:06:27.920] Just didn't really work.
[01:06:28.640 -> 01:06:29.000] Yeah.
[01:06:29.200 -> 01:06:31.520] But, um, interesting race.
[01:06:31.560 -> 01:06:32.200] What do we have?
[01:06:33.160 -> 01:06:34.280] Five DNFs.
[01:06:35.000 -> 01:06:35.440] Yeah.
[01:06:36.400 -> 01:06:37.040] That's wild.
[01:06:37.040 -> 01:06:37.400] Yeah.
[01:06:37.440 -> 01:06:39.200] Do you want me to run down the DNFs?
[01:06:39.280 -> 01:06:40.440] Cause I can do that for you.
[01:06:41.080 -> 01:06:42.000] We got, what do we got?
[01:06:42.320 -> 01:06:44.720] Uh, we had, uh, Valtteri.
[01:06:45.520 -> 01:06:45.880] Yeah. Valtteri, he had a bit of an incident, didn't he, at the got? Uh, we had, uh, Valtteri. Yeah.
[01:06:46.040 -> 01:06:48.520] Valtteri, he had a bit of an incident, didn't he at the start?
[01:06:48.680 -> 01:06:50.800] Uh, Checo sort of.
[01:06:51.160 -> 01:06:51.880] I screwed him.
[01:06:52.560 -> 01:06:54.760] And retired, unretired, retired.
[01:06:54.880 -> 01:06:56.200] Um, Lance Stroll.
[01:06:56.280 -> 01:06:58.680] Uh, oh, he had a, yes, Lance Stroll retired.
[01:06:58.720 -> 01:07:00.960] I don't know if you saw this, the rear wing collapsed.
[01:07:01.560 -> 01:07:01.880] Yeah.
[01:07:01.920 -> 01:07:03.400] Oh, that was a little bit of a talking point.
[01:07:03.400 -> 01:07:05.640] And they, they were actually talking to Fernando on the radio.
[01:07:05.640 -> 01:07:09.480] Like, Hey, Fernando, I know we threw you to the wolves, but can you watch out for
[01:07:09.480 -> 01:07:09.840] curbs?
[01:07:09.840 -> 01:07:12.320] Cause we've got some concerns over the rear wing pylons.
[01:07:13.600 -> 01:07:13.880] Yeah.
[01:07:14.040 -> 01:07:20.680] Uh, Logan retired after smashing into, uh, was it Magnus and he smashed into
[01:07:20.680 -> 01:07:21.760] an issue or was it, what?
[01:07:21.760 -> 01:07:22.040] No.
[01:07:22.960 -> 01:07:23.400] Oh fuck.
[01:07:23.400 -> 01:07:24.120] I've forgotten now.
[01:07:24.240 -> 01:07:24.640] Yeah.
[01:07:24.720 -> 01:07:25.200] Sergeant. No Sergeant did a hellfire drone strike on bias was it, what? No. Oh fuck. I've forgotten now. Yeah. Sergeant.
[01:07:25.200 -> 01:07:28.240] No, Sergeant did a hellfire drone strike on Bottas didn't he?
[01:07:28.640 -> 01:07:29.120] Yeah.
[01:07:29.360 -> 01:07:34.720] Um, Alvin, he retired I'm guessing from damage from his, um, kick flip
[01:07:34.720 -> 01:07:36.800] at the start of the race.
[01:07:36.800 -> 01:07:42.120] So yeah, tough, tough race for weekend, uh, tough race for
[01:07:42.120 -> 01:07:43.600] Williams with their double DNF.
[01:07:44.880 -> 01:07:50.400] Yep. That's, that sucks to see, man. I remember a couple of double DNFs, especially like,
[01:07:50.400 -> 01:07:55.280] was it Malaysia 2013 with the rest of the hotel? It's just like, is this what sadness is like?
[01:07:55.280 -> 01:07:58.320] And they're like, yeah, get used to it, kid. And I was like, wait, what?
[01:07:58.960 -> 01:08:01.200] It's like, yeah, Fiji is not going to pay you this week. Don't worry.
[01:08:01.320 -> 01:08:04.280] not going to pay you this week, don't worry.
[01:08:13.040 -> 01:08:30.120] Oh, but yeah, that's that's the race, but we don't go anywhere yet because we've got a little Watch. This is where we take our opportunity every week to put somebody on blast.
[01:08:30.120 -> 01:08:31.880] Yeah, we do.
[01:08:31.880 -> 01:08:34.680] Because we missed the Singapore episode, I'm going to suggest a change.
[01:08:34.680 -> 01:08:39.360] I'm going to make a change and I'm going to see if the people's FIA is going to ratify
[01:08:39.360 -> 01:08:40.360] it.
[01:08:40.360 -> 01:08:45.760] Would you like to do a Fraud watch that is accumulated from both weekends?
[01:08:51.080 -> 01:08:53.280] One rule watch for both weekends, I think I offer on the table for you I
[01:08:57.000 -> 01:09:03.520] Think we've got to do to do quick quick to all right quick fire fuck it This can be my fraud for both races. All right Perez for Singapore and Perez for Japan for Dan
[01:09:04.040 -> 01:09:05.400] Ouch, I am going to put Alright Perez for Singapore and Perez for Japan for Dan. Ouch.
[01:09:05.400 -> 01:09:14.200] I am going to put the FIA on Fraud Watch for Singapore for their shocking officiating.
[01:09:14.200 -> 01:09:18.440] And who am I putting on Fraud Watch for Japan?
[01:09:18.440 -> 01:09:35.040] That's a tough one, honestly. What about Gasly for his extremely angry reaction to letting Ocon pass at the end?
[01:09:35.040 -> 01:09:36.640] No, no, fuck that.
[01:09:36.640 -> 01:09:41.800] Alpine can suck a fart, man.
[01:09:41.800 -> 01:09:43.360] I'm going Perez on Japan.
[01:09:43.360 -> 01:09:45.600] Oh, we're definitely on Paris.
[01:09:45.600 -> 01:09:47.720] Yeah, he's got three strikes now.
[01:09:47.720 -> 01:09:49.480] It's been a tough weekend for him.
[01:09:49.480 -> 01:09:50.920] He's on four now.
[01:09:50.920 -> 01:09:51.920] Damn it.
[01:09:51.920 -> 01:09:52.920] He's in the bad books.
[01:09:52.920 -> 01:09:55.400] Suck on an egg.
[01:09:55.400 -> 01:09:56.400] What about...
[01:09:56.400 -> 01:10:01.120] Oh, you think you's a good boy.
[01:10:01.120 -> 01:10:02.120] I am.
[01:10:02.120 -> 01:10:03.240] I'm a good boy.
[01:10:03.240 -> 01:10:07.040] Who's your engine mode good boy, which is where we take a moment to appreciate somebody that's done
[01:10:07.120 -> 01:10:11.240] somebody or something or somehow done something outstanding.
[01:10:13.560 -> 01:10:15.640] Singapore, go ahead.
[01:10:15.640 -> 01:10:18.480] Castri. Oh, love that.
[01:10:19.600 -> 01:10:22.400] OK, what's what's the merit for Singapore?
[01:10:25.600 -> 01:10:27.440] Just in general, great performance.
[01:10:27.440 -> 01:10:29.280] Yeah, GGs.
[01:10:29.280 -> 01:10:30.280] Bit of a geezer.
[01:10:30.280 -> 01:10:31.680] Actually, I'm being very fair, right?
[01:10:31.680 -> 01:10:32.960] Because we're doing two for good boy.
[01:10:32.960 -> 01:10:35.240] So, Piastri can have Singapore.
[01:10:35.240 -> 01:10:37.080] And then I'm going to give...
[01:10:37.080 -> 01:10:39.040] Oh, actually, no, maybe I might swap this around.
[01:10:39.040 -> 01:10:41.120] Actually, I might give Lawson Singapore.
[01:10:41.120 -> 01:10:42.120] Go on, lad.
[01:10:42.120 -> 01:10:43.120] Okay.
[01:10:43.120 -> 01:10:46.160] And then I'm going to give Piastri Japan.
[01:10:46.160 -> 01:10:47.160] OK.
[01:10:47.160 -> 01:10:53.080] I am going to nominate.
[01:10:53.080 -> 01:10:57.920] You know, I've given a lot of flat to signs like in just piss takes, but signs awesome
[01:10:57.920 -> 01:10:58.920] Singapore.
[01:10:58.920 -> 01:11:01.000] Yeah, yeah, can't signs.
[01:11:01.000 -> 01:11:02.260] Can't deny awesome.
[01:11:02.260 -> 01:11:03.260] It's on purpose.
[01:11:03.260 -> 01:11:08.080] Best radio message ever in the last couple of races.
[01:11:08.080 -> 01:11:10.540] Japan I'm going to go with.
[01:11:10.540 -> 01:11:12.800] I would only give it to Max,
[01:11:12.800 -> 01:11:13.560] but that's fucking boring.
[01:11:13.560 -> 01:11:15.840] I think Norris Norris really,
[01:11:15.840 -> 01:11:19.080] really shining a lot in that McLaren
[01:11:19.080 -> 01:11:21.680] and honestly Norris Piastri.
[01:11:21.680 -> 01:11:23.280] Both of them.
[01:11:23.280 -> 01:11:24.560] Flawless.
[01:11:24.560 -> 01:11:25.900] Honestly, very good, very strong. I'm a little bit disappointed in Piastri, both of them flawless, honestly.
[01:11:25.900 -> 01:11:26.900] Very good, very strong.
[01:11:26.900 -> 01:11:31.100] I'm a little bit disappointed in Piastri's pace in Japan, but nobody said what was up,
[01:11:31.100 -> 01:11:32.360] but nobody really talked about it.
[01:11:32.360 -> 01:11:39.280] He was, you know, if the gap at the front had been tighter, people have been wondering
[01:11:39.280 -> 01:11:44.120] and talking about why was he so slow, but he was like a second off in the hard stints
[01:11:44.120 -> 01:11:46.440] compared to Landa, which is a lot of lap time.
[01:11:46.440 -> 01:11:52.120] Is there any indication that it may have been different levels of downforce?
[01:11:52.120 -> 01:11:53.120] I don't think so.
[01:11:53.120 -> 01:11:54.120] I didn't, not in qualifying.
[01:11:54.120 -> 01:11:56.680] Didn't look like it at all.
[01:11:56.680 -> 01:11:59.360] It could have been, it could have been something super subtle that was like, oh, is it wind
[01:11:59.360 -> 01:12:00.360] or is it not?
[01:12:00.360 -> 01:12:01.360] But yeah.
[01:12:01.360 -> 01:12:05.880] Oh, Russell on FrodWatch for Singapore.
[01:12:06.580 -> 01:12:07.280] Yeah, probably.
[01:12:07.280 -> 01:12:10.280] I've got FIA, but yeah.
[01:12:10.920 -> 01:12:14.800] But, um, I, since, since next week, we're going to go into, since next week, we're
[01:12:14.800 -> 01:12:18.460] going to go into a little preview episode and maybe get our boys spanners on.
[01:12:18.880 -> 01:12:20.820] Why don't we go through a couple of user questions?
[01:12:20.920 -> 01:12:21.280] Yeah.
[01:12:21.280 -> 01:12:26.560] So I put this section in here because normally we do like a random fandom where we randomly
[01:12:26.560 -> 01:12:32.720] select our teams, but because we've been crap with our recording schedule recently, we didn't
[01:12:32.720 -> 01:12:35.000] have any random fandoms, but good news.
[01:12:35.000 -> 01:12:38.880] We've got some questions from you, the users, right?
[01:12:38.880 -> 01:12:43.480] This first one is for you because I would not know how to answer this.
[01:12:43.480 -> 01:12:45.520] So Frederick on Twitter,
[01:12:45.520 -> 01:12:47.280] could you talk about track evolution?
[01:12:47.280 -> 01:12:49.600] What happens during Q1 that makes such a difference
[01:12:49.600 -> 01:12:52.780] in lap time from the first run to the last?
[01:12:52.780 -> 01:12:55.280] And then I think this is in reference to Singapore.
[01:12:56.160 -> 01:12:59.920] Right, so in reference to Singapore,
[01:12:59.920 -> 01:13:01.720] there's two things you have going on,
[01:13:01.720 -> 01:13:03.320] which is the same as with most circuits
[01:13:03.320 -> 01:13:07.860] and like big nervy circuits is the track is improving
[01:13:07.860 -> 01:13:09.620] as you rubber the track down
[01:13:09.620 -> 01:13:11.640] and Pirellis don't tend to lay as much rubber
[01:13:11.640 -> 01:13:13.360] as they do tend to clean the racing line
[01:13:13.360 -> 01:13:15.220] or get rid of whatever rubber was on
[01:13:15.220 -> 01:13:16.440] in the previous session.
[01:13:16.440 -> 01:13:19.240] So as you circulate more,
[01:13:19.240 -> 01:13:23.040] you put clean and or rubber up the racing line.
[01:13:24.040 -> 01:13:25.740] But also there's a huge factor,
[01:13:25.740 -> 01:13:28.440] especially in street circuits of drivers building up.
[01:13:28.440 -> 01:13:30.480] And it's really difficult to tell
[01:13:30.480 -> 01:13:33.160] how much of the lap time is coming from driver confidence
[01:13:33.160 -> 01:13:34.380] or the tires.
[01:13:34.380 -> 01:13:36.400] So there's two things there.
[01:13:36.400 -> 01:13:37.800] And like, even in Japan,
[01:13:37.800 -> 01:13:40.680] we had a pretty large evolution from start of Q1
[01:13:40.680 -> 01:13:41.520] to the end of Q3.
[01:13:41.520 -> 01:13:44.600] It was about just over a second, I believe.
[01:13:44.600 -> 01:13:45.800] But it was a little bit difficult to track
[01:13:45.800 -> 01:13:48.320] because you had people on, you know, used tires in Q2,
[01:13:48.320 -> 01:13:50.360] like, oh, is the track improving a lot or not?
[01:13:50.360 -> 01:13:52.040] I'm not sure.
[01:13:52.040 -> 01:13:53.480] People with very variable laps.
[01:13:53.480 -> 01:13:56.360] So track improvement is the track cleaning up,
[01:13:56.360 -> 01:13:57.600] or rubbering up,
[01:13:57.600 -> 01:14:00.000] and then there's always driver improvement
[01:14:00.000 -> 01:14:01.440] through qualifying.
[01:14:01.440 -> 01:14:03.160] Because usually qualifying is, you know,
[01:14:03.160 -> 01:14:06.760] you're throwing three, four new sets of softs at it in a row, you're going to find lap time.
[01:14:06.760 -> 01:14:07.960] And if you're not, you're a bozo.
[01:14:09.680 -> 01:14:10.080] All right.
[01:14:10.240 -> 01:14:10.640] There you go.
[01:14:10.760 -> 01:14:12.160] Everyone on the grid is a bozo.
[01:14:13.040 -> 01:14:13.200] Yeah.
[01:14:13.200 -> 01:14:13.520] So.
[01:14:14.600 -> 01:14:15.840] Uh, next question.
[01:14:15.960 -> 01:14:16.880] I don't know if you've looked at this.
[01:14:16.880 -> 01:14:20.760] I haven't actually looked at that much because I can't really compare.
[01:14:21.640 -> 01:14:28.320] I would say, so MLG sports asks, how is Liam and data's, how is Liam and Daniel's data compared to Yuki's?
[01:14:28.320 -> 01:14:32.520] We don't really have much of a sample size for Daniel, have we really?
[01:14:32.520 -> 01:14:36.200] I think basically for now, just take a look at qualifying pace offsets.
[01:14:36.200 -> 01:14:42.520] And always, and always, and always, and everything, there's circumstance and nuance and context
[01:14:42.520 -> 01:14:43.520] for everything.
[01:14:43.520 -> 01:14:47.120] But I would say if the qualifying pace is looking good,
[01:14:47.120 -> 01:14:48.240] we can't really see that much.
[01:14:48.240 -> 01:14:49.520] I haven't really spent much time
[01:14:49.520 -> 01:14:50.640] looking at Liam's driving style,
[01:14:50.640 -> 01:14:52.160] because you can infer a little bit of that,
[01:14:52.160 -> 01:14:53.080] but I haven't done that yet.
[01:14:53.080 -> 01:14:55.280] And maybe that's something I should do
[01:14:55.280 -> 01:14:58.920] once Daniel comes back, but he's doing an awesome job.
[01:14:58.920 -> 01:15:02.080] And Yuki, don't sleep on him, he's good.
[01:15:02.080 -> 01:15:04.720] And he also asked, what's the best beginner trigger?
[01:15:04.720 -> 01:15:07.040] I've got the Ironwood 650. He's good. And he also asked what's the best beginner Traeger? I've I've got the Ironwood 650
[01:15:07.720 -> 01:15:09.380] And it's spectacular
[01:15:09.380 -> 01:15:14.340] I think the super smoke feature which is on the Ironwood series and not on the limb below that is a
[01:15:14.880 -> 01:15:20.320] It's nice the briskets and beef ribs and pork ribs and chickens that I've done. Everything has been awesome. It's easy
[01:15:21.080 -> 01:15:22.280] Traeger
[01:15:22.280 -> 01:15:25.520] Get in touch. I put a tweet out about Traeger in Austin.
[01:15:25.520 -> 01:15:29.360] I'm like, come on, if you're not, if you're not doing an activation around Formula One
[01:15:29.360 -> 01:15:32.320] about barbecue in Austin, you're missing out.
[01:15:32.320 -> 01:15:33.320] Let's work.
[01:15:33.320 -> 01:15:36.640] Unfortunately, I do not have a Traeger.
[01:15:36.640 -> 01:15:37.880] I've never had a Traeger.
[01:15:37.880 -> 01:15:39.040] I've never used one.
[01:15:39.040 -> 01:15:40.040] I'm very sorry.
[01:15:40.040 -> 01:15:42.800] I cannot answer this question.
[01:15:42.800 -> 01:15:51.000] I've got, I've got a question for you then. John asks, could single car qualifying be the solution to the impeding problem?
[01:15:51.000 -> 01:15:55.000] Could single car qualifying be the solution to impeding and qualifying?
[01:15:55.000 -> 01:15:56.000] What do you think?
[01:15:56.000 -> 01:15:59.080] Yeah, I think this stems from what Alonso said, didn't he?
[01:15:59.080 -> 01:16:02.600] He was like, bring back one shot qualifying or something.
[01:16:02.600 -> 01:16:04.060] Sign me up for it, man.
[01:16:04.060 -> 01:16:07.520] You definitely don't have a traffic problem, but like that's, that's clear.
[01:16:07.880 -> 01:16:09.840] But compare contrast.
[01:16:09.840 -> 01:16:10.160] Yeah.
[01:16:10.160 -> 01:16:14.160] I did actually, I did think about this question earlier as I was doing the notes.
[01:16:14.840 -> 01:16:20.560] So I'm not opposed to the idea, but I think they should bring it in for sprint
[01:16:20.560 -> 01:16:23.480] qualifying because that's the whole point of sprint, isn't it?
[01:16:23.600 -> 01:16:25.160] Like do something different, mate.
[01:16:25.160 -> 01:16:31.360] And it'd have to be a random draw in who goes out first, I think.
[01:16:31.360 -> 01:16:34.880] Yep, FE and other series have different ways of doing it.
[01:16:34.880 -> 01:16:39.440] It's group A, group B based on constructors, championship positions,
[01:16:39.440 -> 01:16:40.200] something else.
[01:16:40.200 -> 01:16:48.820] Yeah, do something different, but the shorter qualifying sessions is not good enough.
[01:16:48.820 -> 01:16:50.680] It's just like, it's the same shit.
[01:16:50.680 -> 01:16:55.080] You've got a weekend, which it's literally just rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat of like
[01:16:55.080 -> 01:16:57.920] light versions of the main event.
[01:16:57.920 -> 01:16:58.920] Does nothing for me.
[01:16:58.920 -> 01:16:59.920] Yeah.
[01:16:59.920 -> 01:17:00.920] Some people in the chat are like, Oh, what if it rains?
[01:17:00.920 -> 01:17:01.920] What about track evolution?
[01:17:01.920 -> 01:17:02.920] That's what I'm saying.
[01:17:02.920 -> 01:17:05.800] I think to make it fair, you have to have a random draw.
[01:17:07.160 -> 01:17:11.220] Ooh, like you can't just always say, okay, whoever's leading the
[01:17:11.220 -> 01:17:15.680] championship goes first, I think you do what 20 numbers in a hat or whatever.
[01:17:16.320 -> 01:17:17.320] And then just go, right.
[01:17:17.480 -> 01:17:18.560] Each driver gets a number.
[01:17:18.560 -> 01:17:19.280] That's your order.
[01:17:19.980 -> 01:17:22.120] And Michael Massey gets to pick the numbers out of the hat though.
[01:17:22.580 -> 01:17:23.120] Yeah, sure.
[01:17:23.320 -> 01:17:23.880] Bring him back.
[01:17:25.160 -> 01:17:31.240] But. I think, I think honestly, I think your point is also, if you want to do this, start
[01:17:31.240 -> 01:17:36.560] doing it now at the sprint weekends, because if it is wacky and you know, has some weird
[01:17:36.560 -> 01:17:39.080] effects that people don't like, it's for sprint points.
[01:17:39.080 -> 01:17:39.760] Who gives a shit?
[01:17:41.160 -> 01:17:41.480] Yeah.
[01:17:42.440 -> 01:17:42.800] Yeah.
[01:17:43.120 -> 01:17:47.000] I don't like the sprints anyway, but this would liven it up for me.
[01:17:47.000 -> 01:17:48.000] Yeah.
[01:17:48.000 -> 01:17:55.280] A few Twitter users have asked us the question, would you get rid of Checo mid-season, or
[01:17:55.280 -> 01:17:59.140] would Red Bull get rid of Checo mid-season 24 if performance isn't there?
[01:17:59.140 -> 01:18:11.680] And who would they replace him with? So, the answer is yes, but, but, I believe, and I'm pretty sure this is reported on, that
[01:18:11.680 -> 01:18:15.600] Checo has specifically got a clause in his contract that says you are not allowed to
[01:18:15.600 -> 01:18:18.200] demote me to Alpha Tauri.
[01:18:18.200 -> 01:18:20.720] Ah, you reckon that's a thing?
[01:18:20.720 -> 01:18:23.880] I'm pretty sure that is reported on as being a thing.
[01:18:23.880 -> 01:18:25.000] Ooh, okay. any other situation?
[01:18:25.000 -> 01:18:27.000] Yes, this is Red Bull.
[01:18:27.000 -> 01:18:30.000] They would absolutely fucking drop you.
[01:18:30.000 -> 01:18:35.000] But I'm pretty sure they can't necessarily drop him.
[01:18:35.000 -> 01:18:36.000] I'd have to buy.
[01:18:36.000 -> 01:18:37.000] I don't know.
[01:18:37.000 -> 01:18:39.000] Move him to the reserve role.
[01:18:39.000 -> 01:18:40.000] I don't know.
[01:18:40.000 -> 01:18:43.000] Yeah, I wouldn't like I guarantee you most drivers are going to have
[01:18:43.000 -> 01:18:45.340] performance clauses in their contract that go both ways. If the car shit I can get out of this and the team will't like, I guarantee you most drivers are going to have performance clauses in their
[01:18:45.340 -> 01:18:47.460] contract that go both ways.
[01:18:47.460 -> 01:18:52.500] If the car's shit, I can get out of this and the team will be like, you know what?
[01:18:52.500 -> 01:18:55.020] If you were shit at mid-season, we can drop you.
[01:18:55.020 -> 01:18:56.020] Yeah.
[01:18:56.020 -> 01:18:59.020] If any team is going to drop anyone mid-season, it's Red Bull.
[01:18:59.020 -> 01:19:01.260] Yeah, it's not, they've never done it before.
[01:19:01.260 -> 01:19:04.580] Yeah, not like they've got history on this.
[01:19:04.580 -> 01:19:05.560] Yeah, exactly.
[01:19:05.560 -> 01:19:06.320] They got priors.
[01:19:06.720 -> 01:19:07.960] Who would you replace him with?
[01:19:09.560 -> 01:19:13.040] Oh, Jesus, man, this is this is a real tough one.
[01:19:15.360 -> 01:19:17.360] I'm going to probably upset a few people here.
[01:19:17.720 -> 01:19:18.440] How dare you?
[01:19:18.440 -> 01:19:19.840] And I'm going to say not Daniel.
[01:19:21.760 -> 01:19:28.120] I don't I don't know. I would rather, or do I?
[01:19:28.120 -> 01:19:30.760] Daniel's got the experience.
[01:19:30.760 -> 01:19:34.440] I think if you put Lawson in it, you got the trouble, you got the possibility of doing
[01:19:34.440 -> 01:19:38.080] what they did with Gasly and Alvin and that's just giving them too much responsibility too
[01:19:38.080 -> 01:19:39.800] soon and wrecking them.
[01:19:39.800 -> 01:19:43.560] Yeah, I would honestly, I love Daniel to pieces.
[01:19:43.560 -> 01:19:44.560] I think he's awesome.
[01:19:44.560 -> 01:19:48.240] And I do not think, I think that McLaren car did not suit him at all.
[01:19:48.500 -> 01:19:53.760] I do not think Daniel is even remotely close to wash, but honestly, if you put
[01:19:53.760 -> 01:19:59.640] Liam in there and he knew that he's not going to rock up there and destroy Max or
[01:19:59.640 -> 01:20:05.360] Stappen, don't, don't even start with that, that thought off the bat.
[01:20:06.160 -> 01:20:07.240] I think he could perform.
[01:20:08.280 -> 01:20:12.240] Give him guaranteed a year, set some reasonable expectations of him.
[01:20:14.040 -> 01:20:17.720] Or just straight up drop Daniel and give Liam.
[01:20:18.880 -> 01:20:19.840] Fuck it, I don't know, man.
[01:20:19.840 -> 01:20:23.120] Sorry, someone in the chat saying, say Lewis, you cowards.
[01:20:25.640 -> 01:20:28.320] Yeah, stick Lewis Howard in there alongside Max, come on.
[01:20:29.000 -> 01:20:30.480] That would not be a happy family.
[01:20:30.600 -> 01:20:31.680] I'll tell you that way, Scar.
[01:20:32.680 -> 01:20:33.840] Netflix would love it, though.
[01:20:35.200 -> 01:20:41.560] Yeah, but like, to be fair, Ricardo and Albon, in hindsight, were never that far off of Max.
[01:20:43.680 -> 01:20:47.200] No, I just think they were more error prone
[01:20:47.200 -> 01:20:53.760] maybe maybe so yeah now I've had time to think about it I think I would put
[01:20:53.760 -> 01:21:00.160] Daniel in there I go Liam would you I just think it'd be too soon next year
[01:21:00.160 -> 01:21:04.800] for Liam to go straight up into the red ball fuck it red ball all right
[01:21:04.800 -> 01:21:05.480] burn them out fuck it yeah we're. All right. For an amount.
[01:21:05.480 -> 01:21:05.840] Fuck it.
[01:21:05.840 -> 01:21:07.320] Yeah, we're going to just listen.
[01:21:07.320 -> 01:21:07.960] We're old men.
[01:21:07.960 -> 01:21:10.160] We don't care if we destroy young drivers careers.
[01:21:10.160 -> 01:21:10.520] Fuck it.
[01:21:10.520 -> 01:21:12.960] They've got loads of other things to fall back on.
[01:21:12.960 -> 01:21:15.560] Nick DeVries has gone back to business school or something.
[01:21:16.000 -> 01:21:17.040] So's Latifi.
[01:21:18.280 -> 01:21:19.040] What does it matter?
[01:21:20.280 -> 01:21:22.400] We got we got our buddy Ahmed with the super chat.
[01:21:22.400 -> 01:21:28.400] If you were given a team to run in WEC, MotoGP, Rally or Formula 1, which one would you choose?
[01:21:29.680 -> 01:21:30.560] WEC.
[01:21:31.360 -> 01:21:36.960] I would never run a racing team ever because you've got to be a special kind of psycho to run a racing team.
[01:21:37.280 -> 01:21:39.920] No disrespect. I just don't have it. I don't have that dog in me.
[01:21:41.360 -> 01:21:47.960] Yeah, I'm picking WEC because deep down underneath this cold, hard exterior, I am secretly a
[01:21:47.960 -> 01:21:50.440] massive WEC fanboy.
[01:21:50.440 -> 01:21:52.280] I wish I had more time to watch WEC.
[01:21:52.280 -> 01:21:57.160] Like after I watch a Formula One race and qualify in practice, do the analysis on practice
[01:21:57.160 -> 01:22:01.600] qualifying in the race, I just want to think about barbecue.
[01:22:01.600 -> 01:22:05.200] This is why you go to watch WEC races, right?
[01:22:05.200 -> 01:22:07.240] Because they're like six hours long.
[01:22:07.240 -> 01:22:10.480] You can have a few beers, you can fire up the barbecue in the campsite, mate.
[01:22:10.480 -> 01:22:12.120] This is what I'm talking about.
[01:22:12.120 -> 01:22:15.000] Yeah, next year, Lamar, it's happening.
[01:22:15.000 -> 01:22:16.000] Boom.
[01:22:16.000 -> 01:22:21.080] Dude, real quick, last one, bonus show that says, which North American race would you
[01:22:21.080 -> 01:22:23.560] recommend attending for one's first F1 race?
[01:22:23.560 -> 01:22:25.280] Montreal and Austin are spectacular.
[01:22:25.760 -> 01:22:26.200] Done.
[01:22:28.000 -> 01:22:30.480] Yeah, Vegas is going to be too stupid expensive.
[01:22:32.360 -> 01:22:36.840] Miami too expensive and not sold on that event yet, so yeah.
[01:22:37.320 -> 01:22:38.960] But anyway, what are we saying?
[01:22:39.280 -> 01:22:42.800] I'm sorry, I need to give this up, shout this one out because this is brilliant.
[01:22:42.800 -> 01:22:46.000] Someone in chat has gone back in regards to our red ball.
[01:22:46.000 -> 01:22:47.200] Who do we stick in the red ball?
[01:22:47.880 -> 01:22:48.600] Uh, and they said,
[01:22:48.600 -> 01:22:51.880] Flippe Massa to give him a chance to win a championship instead of going through
[01:22:51.880 -> 01:22:52.480] the courts.
[01:22:55.720 -> 01:22:56.520] I love that one.
[01:22:57.320 -> 01:22:57.560] Well,
[01:23:00.320 -> 01:23:00.800] all right,
[01:23:01.120 -> 01:23:01.440] let's,
[01:23:01.440 -> 01:23:01.600] let's,
[01:23:01.600 -> 01:23:01.720] let's,
[01:23:01.720 -> 01:23:01.960] let's,
[01:23:01.960 -> 01:23:02.120] let's,
[01:23:02.160 -> 01:23:02.960] let's keep it real.
[01:23:03.440 -> 01:23:03.960] Um,
[01:23:04.640 -> 01:23:06.880] I'm going to support my local butcher
[01:23:07.400 -> 01:23:10.940] Next week probably get some pork ribs back on on the Traeger
[01:23:11.080 -> 01:23:16.820] I'm looking forward to Traeger reaching out to me on my email that break at gmail.com to talk about Austin
[01:23:17.520 -> 01:23:18.800] and
[01:23:18.800 -> 01:23:22.760] Yeah, thank you guys for the episode. We'll be back. Hopefully next week
[01:23:22.760 -> 01:23:27.520] We'll try to get our buddy Spanners on to have a little chit chat before we go to Qatar.
[01:23:27.520 -> 01:23:28.340] Yeah.
[01:23:28.340 -> 01:23:29.180] Yeah, yeah.
[01:23:29.180 -> 01:23:32.560] Apologies that our schedule has been so scuffed recently.
[01:23:32.560 -> 01:23:33.400] We'll figure it out.
[01:23:33.400 -> 01:23:35.440] Yeah, it's partially my fault.
[01:23:35.440 -> 01:23:36.260] Well.
[01:23:36.260 -> 01:23:37.240] Actually, I like Blake.
[01:23:37.240 -> 01:23:38.120] I like him quite a lot.
[01:23:38.120 -> 01:23:41.200] So I'm willing to take this one fully, the full blame.
[01:23:41.200 -> 01:23:43.520] I stressed him out so much.
[01:23:43.520 -> 01:23:45.400] I caused him to have to go on a holiday and
[01:23:45.400 -> 01:23:50.040] then when he was on holiday I said where's the files that I definitely should have but
[01:23:50.040 -> 01:23:51.040] don't have.
[01:23:51.040 -> 01:23:58.280] Oh it happens. It happens. But listen, listen, you guys, you guys be kind to each other.
[01:23:58.280 -> 01:24:03.080] Be kind on Twitter. I think wounds are healing. Everybody's happier. We're being objective.
[01:24:03.080 -> 01:24:06.120] We're having discussions. The FIA are making this a farce.
[01:24:06.120 -> 01:24:07.200] Please stop fucking it up.
[01:24:07.200 -> 01:24:08.160] FIA and uh,
[01:24:08.400 -> 01:24:08.840] It's okay.
[01:24:08.840 -> 01:24:09.920] Cause we're taking it over now.
[01:24:09.960 -> 01:24:10.960] The people's FIA.
[01:24:10.960 -> 01:24:11.560] That's us.
[01:24:14.200 -> 01:24:14.640] Let's go.
[01:24:14.840 -> 01:24:15.160] Let's go.
[01:24:15.160 -> 01:24:15.480] All right.
[01:24:15.760 -> 01:24:16.640] You guys be good.
[01:24:16.760 -> 01:24:21.680] Um, do all the, do all the stuff and fuck off.
[01:24:17.950 -> 01:24:19.950] and fuck off.